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Harry's Top Ten Of 2003!

This was a very strong year for cinema. Films from the Far East were particularly great. As I did last year, I am listing my top ten films and I'm not doing an honorable mention or runner-ups or doing any ties. This, of course, makes creating a list like this particularly hard. However, I'm very firm on this list as I've seen all the films listed multiple times in different contexts and feel as strongly about each of them as I did the instant I left the theater. These are 10 fantastic films. Great stories, performances, music, effects (if they're there), editing, cinematography and substance. I could easily list an additional 30 films I liked this year, but then, that would spread too thin the message this list tries to send, which is... SEE THESE MOVIES! Starting at the top:

1. RETURN OF THE KING

This film along with FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING and THE TWO TOWERS will become, over time, beloved and timeless in the same way as some of the classics we now adore from yesteryear. This film fills me with such love for film that I can barely contain my enthusiasm. There are those that don’t like the film, poor miserable insufferable fools that they be, I do respect their decision. I also can respect a dung beetle’s choice in dietary desire, though I will never be in their sad state of existence. RETURN OF THE KING is a masterpiece. When it ends, all I want is to see it again, only longer. The film has astonishing emotion, jaw-dropping spectacle and operatic heights that no other film this year even approaches. Pure cinema unleashed. It is opening the doors for many films to be made, let us hope they are done as well as these.

2. OLDBOY

Chan Wook Park’s SYMPATHY FOR MR VENGEANCE was my number 1 pick from last year. That he made a better film this year is… astonishing. That I saw a better film than this this year is a true testament to how fucking great RETURN OF THE KING was. The performance of Min-sik Choi is frankly the best performance by an actor in cinema this year. Choi’s Dae-su is simply one of the greatest performances I have ever seen. It is all at once pathetic, noble, sad, melancholy, tragic, comic, furious, under-stated, over-the-top and cool. The film will shake you where you sit and it will stay in your mind like an inoperable tumor. The antagonist of the film, as played by Ji-Tae Yu, is equally amazing. More proof that the most vital and overlooked region of cinema is South Korea. Some day the rest of the world will wake up to the phenomenal work coming from there.

3. PING PONG

I think ping pong is one of the most annoying ‘sports’ of all time. I hate the sound of it, the way people hold the paddles and have never really thought the game was particularly worthy of invention, though… I would say it is far worthier of existence than say… GOLF, which I loathe even more, if only… it always seems to be on Television. HOWEVER, when I saw this film… that all changed. PING PONG is an amazing heart-warming film that never plays to the cliché of that type of film. The characters, story and emotion of the film sneak up on you. If you get a chance to see this (not likely) it will become a film that you’ll force friends to watch. Best film by a first time filmmaker this year. Watch out for Fumihiko Sori… He’s a dangerous director.

4. THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED

Personally, I hold this is the single most important film made this year. Unfortunately, the only people that’ll see the film are the ones that don’t need to see it. An absolutely stunning first hand center seat at history. A history that continues to be distorted, one that continues to be misconstrued. This documentary happens to show, clearly, just how corrupt the leadership of the United States is. AND more importantly, it show the dangers of exactly what can happen when gigantic multi-national corporations gain control over 80% of a country’s airwaves. It shows how news can be distorted, how a country can be led like a cow to slaughter. It confirms every paranoid conspiracy intuition we liberals have about the Bush Administration. Unfortunately, it’ll just be written off as exactly that. Like the old saying, you can lead a horse to water, but ya can’t make em drink. AUSTIN READERS! This is about to open a run at the Alamo Drafthouse! Check it out!

5. LOST IN TRANSLATION

An absolutely great film about connections. Sofia Coppola really did a wonderful job on this film. For one, she directed Bill Murray to his very best performance, and the best American acting performance of the year. World-wide I’d say it’s the 2nd best performance of the year behind the amazing turn by Min-sik Choi’s work in OLDBOY. Scarlett Johansson turns in the best performance by a lead actress in a film this year. I fell absolutely in love with her in this film. Reminded me in a way of watching Audrey Hepburn in ROMAN HOLIDAY, where sure… she’d been in films before, but suddenly, she just became the most radiant girl in the world. Ultimately this is a perfect small scale film. One that has a tiny story to tell. I love it for being such a small story. For having so much soul, so much truth in such a small package. Ultimately, I am very intrigued by Sofia’s work in this film and can not wait to see where she goes from here.

6. AMERICAN SPLENDOR

2nd Best Comic Book Adaptation of the year. OLDBOY is also a comic adaptation, though most do not know that. I love AMERICAN SPLENDOR, the work by Paul Giamatti is inspired. The editing is the very best work in film this year. Absolutely beautiful and elegant and innovative. The playing between animation, documentary and narrative filmmaking is nothing short of brilliant.

7. CAPTURING THE FRIEDMANS

A documentary to chill the heart. I’m still utterly confused and torn about what I saw with this film. The story about Arnold Friedman and the allegations and charges that were brought against him. What happened in the community surrounding the story. What the media did, what the cops did and ultimately what the family did is just some of the most disturbing things I’ve heard of. There are points in this film that will invoke unleashed fury from you, then moments later make you feel guilty, then conflicted for having those feelings. A truly incredible documentary.

8. TRIPLETTES OF BELLEVILLE

Wow. The most amazing non-traditional 2D animated film you’ll probably ever see. In thinking back upon the film, it feels like a dream instead of a real movie that you might’ve seen. Ultimately it has the same basic story arc as FINDING NEMO, yet how it tells that story is through pure cinematic devices… No narrative dialogue, insane spontaneous musical interludes, bizarre characters that make even more bizarre plot twists. Working on some crazed lunatic logic, the film is one of the purest delights I’ve seen in quite some time. Amazing animation!

9. TWILIGHT SAMURAI

The best samurai film I’ve seen this year. Many people will have you believe that THE LAST SAMURAI was the best Samurai film, but TWILIGHT SAMURAI is easily many times better than Ed Zwick’s film. Ultimately it tells the story of a very low samurai. He would rather count grain and tend to his children and Alzheimer mother, than ever take up his sword again. This is a film about one’s station in life and the bravery that must come into play to exceed that station to become more than what you have ever aspired to. Ultimately his great combat is more horrifying than any battlefield with 1000s of combatants. More brutal because of the intimacy, more sad for the results. Ultimately this is as great a film as UNFORGIVEN or THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE. Fantastic.

10. KILL BILL VOL 1

Had this film been complete. Had it simply been KILL BILL, then I feel this could have had a chance at being the best film of the year. However, this first half was so strong for me that I can not, not include it on this list. The film celebrates a joy of cinema and genre that is just neglected these days. I also feel that Uma Thurman deserves a nomination for her performance in the film. Her character is both pop and real, cult and tragic, dashing and resolute. There should be some special soundtrack award for how Quentin uses music in conjunction with the images on screen. I find it a marriage that can never be separated. I hear the music, I see the images… I see the images, I hear the music.

The Worst Film I Allowed Myself To Witness In 2003:

MASKED AND ANONYMOUS

An absolutely numbing experience. Imagine treading water in the worst public toilet you’ve ever seen, whilst watching your loved ones set ablaze. It is worse than that. I have never seen so much talent so awful in my entire history of cinema going. Yet I continued to watch, hoping that one of the endless cameos might possibly have some glimmer of greatness… of quality… but no. Watching inane actors wallow in mediocrity is to be expected. Watching great actors do swan dives into mediocrity is torture. Terrible.

The Apparent Best Film That I Hate In 2003:

MYSTIC RIVER

I love Clint Eastwood as a director and star and composer. I tend to love most Brian Helgeland films that he’s associated with. I expected to love this film. It is one of the best reviewed films of 2003, yet I found myself growing to hate it with every passing moment in the theater. I love the 3 leads, yet found all their performances forced. I absolutely hated the sub-plot of the cel-phone calls from the silent runaway love of Kevin Bacon’s. I hated how her pointless calls always came as footnotes to apparently hurtful or inopportune scenes for Kevin’s character. I loathed the “convenient evil mastermind” routine that Tim Robbins’ character transformed into while being interrogated then suspected as murdering his friend’s daughter. I hated Sean Penn’s wife’s sudden transformation into Lady Macbeth when it came out of total left field. I don’t buy Sean Penn’s Superman screams of angst and spaz attack with the cops when he learned of his daughter’s death. The only things I liked about the film was Fishburne’s character and that great scene with Eli Wallach as the Liquor Store Owner… and at the mere sight of him, wished that I had seen an entire film set around Eli Wallach being a racist gun toting foul mouthed Liquor Store Owner. This is my least favorite film ever made by Clint Eastwood. And I know that I apparently am the only one that feels so.

Best Vintage Film That I Had Never Seen Till This Year:

LORD JIM (1965)

I have known of the story for many years, but never had read Joseph Conrad’s novel. I had no clue whatsoever about the arc of the story. A brand new 70mm Print of LORD JIM played at the Paramount Theater this year and it absolutely blew me away. I had heard this was a “not-so-good” film, but my father insisted that we go see it, and if there’s one thing I’ve learned in my life of film going, it is… If there is a 70mm film starring Peter O’Toole playing on a big screen… GO! So I went. Wow. I have no idea if the film is true to Conrad’s novel, I am planning on reading it this coming year. However, I can not express in words just how beautiful this film in 70mm is. Or how beautiful Daliah Lavi is. I have a particular love for all character roles by James Mason and his Gentleman Brown is no exception. He is fantastic as always. Eli Wallach’s shifty-eyed wily General is great. A really great DVD of this movie must happen!

Personal Favorite Film Experience of 2003:

Watching TEENAGE MOTHER happen to the BNAT 5 audience. It was bliss. I have been told that I resembled a mad scientist whose creation was killing all the right people while this film played. As I have stated, this is the single greatest work of cinematic terrorism that I have ever seen. That PARAMOUNT PICTURES ever released it is astonishing. Must be seen with a packed unsuspecting audience to truly get the desired effect. To have picked this film out of the list of the 60 some odd obscure exploitation titles that Tim League had recently acquired… then see it play out the way it did… BLISS.

Best UnFinished Film Seen in 2003:

THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST

Had this been the finished film, I would have placed it at number 3 in my list of the best films of 2003, yet the film is not finished. The effects shots that Mel Gibson told our audience were yet to be included… well, the create an uncertainty in me that I can’t really voice… simply because, I haven’t seen how they play yet. What is so great about this film? Simply, this is the first film featuring Christ, where I didn’t think of him as the son of God, but the son of Mary. I know that is a distinction that is hard to understand, but once you see the film, you’ll get it. This isn’t Jesus being played by someone with “space cadet eyes” – who is constantly in seeming communication with a higher power. Instead, he is a man that is enduring torments you could never possibly imagine undergoing, and with such grace. There is no fury or retribution in his face. There is compassionate suffering instead. Understanding rather than contempt. I’ll discuss further in my review, that is coming, but for now… this work print that Mel showed is truly a remarkable and brilliant film as is… What is coming in February is not that film, but something I haven’t seen. This was a great film.

Best Performance By A Supporting Actress That Will Go UnConsidered For Awards This Year:

Milla Jovovich in DUMMY

Seems most people are in love with Rene Zellweger’s turn in COLD MOUNTAIN, which was out-standing, but for my money, the best supporting actress was Milla Jovovich’s hilariously clueless aspiring singer in DUMMY. I was absolutely dumbstruck by how much I loved her character and her performance in this movie. She has a sub-plot that suddenly I was 100% invested in. In fact, through the rest of the film… the parts she wasn’t in, I wasn’t wishing she was onscreen so much as I was hoping that her practice was going well. You see, she plays the part of Fangora… a crazy best friend of Adrien Brody’s shy Steven. Fangora has a band, a really awful band, that she’s had FOREVER and they’re constantly trying to get a gig. She gets a job to play a wedding, but she has to play Klemzer music. She tries to research the music, learn Yiddish and… the results… what she does… Well, it’s just one of the greatest moments in film this year. I absolutely loved her, her character, her story, her music… just everything about her. She’s like an Edsel in this thing, so terribly wrong that she’s beautiful. DUMMY is also a really great film that just narrowly missed getting on my top ten. Watch out for Greg Pritikin movies, he’s someone to look out for.

Best 3D Scene Seen This Year In A Theater:

Rita Hayworth in MISS SADIE THOMPSON

This was part of the unforgetable one day spent at the amazing 3D Film Festival at the Egyptian in Los Angeles this year. In particular, it was this hot sweaty drunk cabana scene with Rita, Aldo Ray and a group of other Navy Guys as she sings "Blue Pacific Blues" whilst reclining on her bed. Astonishing 3D, in particular... the close up on Rita's face... suddenly it was as if I was hanging upon the brow of the most beautiful Mt Rushmore sized living face of beauty the world had ever seen as a tear formed in the goddess' eye and rolled down that beautiful cheek. It was like I was watching film for the first time and realized how beautiful it could all be. Absolutely amazing.

Most Dreamy Debut Horror Film Director That Wants To Make A Film With The Olsen Twins And A Monkey:

ELI ROTH

His ability to reenact every moment of the Olsen Twin’s YOU’RE INVITED TO MARY-KATE & ASHLEY’S SLEEPOVER PARTY Video was the scariest thing I’ve ever witnessed. That he can actually do both of their voice and faces… CREEPY!

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  • Dec. 29, 2003, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Well....interesting list, Harry...

    by CoolDan989

    However, I would say the 5 best films I've seen this year are X2, Finding Nemo, Freaky Friday, Matchstick Men, and Shanghai Knights. Unorthodox picks, I know, but those are the kinds of movies I like. And by the way...FIRST!

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Frist!

    by FrankCobretti

    He's the Senate Majority Leader!

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 1:28 p.m. CST

    "There are those that don

    by Dragonfire

    Hehe, Harry the king of provocation. But then who wouldn't be if they were running a website like this. I'd like to see the flame wars this comment is going to cause. Can't say I disagree though.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 1:34 p.m. CST

    ROTK right on

    by Red Giant

    Mystic River and Cold Mountain aren't bad films, they just aren't in the same league as ROTK. Master and Commander, Lost in Translation and American SPlendor are also worthy Oscar noms, but ROTK is in a class by itself, yes even the shortened theatrical release version. The Extended Edition of ROTK will be unparalleled I am betting.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Thanks

    by Darth Thoth

    Great list Harry. I definitely need to check out a few films on that list. Twilight Samurai looks very interesting as does Old Boy. Plus I agree with you Red Giant... ROTK EE will just end all things and rule forever. Happy holidays everyone and God bless!

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 1:55 p.m. CST

    WOW I see I totally disagree with this guy again!

    by iamarayya

    ROTK was a good movie but (in my opinion) I was not too inspired by it. Maybe cause I pride my self on having an independent thought that when EVERY one likes on thing i cant like it. Just my personality I guess. My one problem with the movie is that it took so long the resolve, after the eagles rescued the hobbits haw long did it take to credits ...like 30 minutes, I guess the movie did want to end. It seems I though the movies every one got wet over I thought was ok like Kill bill a movie that had ZERO orginiality. Maybe I have not seen enough movies this year. City of God was great, and proably was released to early for anyone to remember. What about Bad Santa?

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 2:15 p.m. CST

    The Revolution Is a Piece of Shit

    by RickP66

    Once again the Blustery Blubber Boy demonstrates the incomprehensible need to inject his idiotic, simplistic, simple-minded politics into a site based on entertainment.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 2:21 p.m. CST

    And the 2003 David Prowse Award goes to..

    by Silver Shamrock

    Christopher Lee. What a disgraceful way for such an accomplished actor to be treated! They even screwed him over in the ROTK end credits by not including him in the photo credits but including Sean Bean!?! WTF?

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 2:22 p.m. CST

    And the 2003 David Prowse Award goes to..

    by Silver Shamrock

    Christopher Lee. What a disgraceful way for such an accomplished actor to be treated! They even screwed him over in the ROTK end credits by not including him in the photo credits but including Sean Bean!?! WTF?

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 3:05 p.m. CST

    What about the MATRIX, Harry?

    by SenatorNado

    Didn't you say that pretentious, long, bug-ridden mess of a nerd-flick was a great film, masterpiece or whatever your fat ass stream of ass consciousness came up with that day? WHERE THE FUCK IS IT, HUH? HUH? TELL ME, HARRY! DON'T BACK UP NOW! Jesus Christ. where's my Calamari...

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 3:13 p.m. CST

    RickP66

    by SenatorNado

    Hey, Rick boy, I just checked out your email address (jmb.fan@verizon.net) and, uh, what does JMBtand for? Jeb Mother Bush?

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Too Damn Artsy For Me

    by Corporate_Stooge

    Well, I enjoy indie movies as much as the next guy, but Harry's list is a little too "unknown" to me. Not to say that movies like "Lost In Translation" wouldn't make my list, but I think every "Best Of" list needs some popcorn entries. For the most part Harry's favorite movies of the year are either hard to find Asian films that you won't easily find here or not even the best independent films this country has to offer. In a year that gave us far more excellent popcorn fare than we've seen in years, you'd think Harry would have snuck Pirates of the Caribbean or X2 on that list. Call me crazy but my top 10 list would be a top 20 list because PotC, X2, Reloaded, T3, Revolutions and School of Rock would all find a place. Anyway, this was the best year in cinema since 2000 so we should all be thankful for a good crop.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 3:42 p.m. CST

    The most important film of 2003

    by RenoNevada2000

    For my money is ELEPHANT, probably the most powerful film I have ever seen. For the first time in my nearly 34 years on this planet I walked out of the theatre trembling. An incredible film.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Dummy ?

    by Itchy

    Shocker - Harry picked LOTR #1 (of course, I do as well ... so I can't complain). As for Dummy, never heard of this film. Please advise - does Milla Jovovich show patch again ? Definately a must see if that happens. On a tangent, I happened to watch The Fifth Element this week on HBO-HD. First time I ever saw the film all the way through. It was actually pretty entertaining (except for Chris Tucker). I have to say, Milla is a pretty talented girl - modeling, decent musician and a very serviceable actress. Me likey !!

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:14 p.m. CST

    ELEPHANT is a bunch of horseshit!

    by guerillatokyo

    And Gus Van Sant should get his head stomped on by an elephant for making such pretentous pieces of shit like "Elephant" and "Gerry". I hope this fucker gets mad cow disease and dies a horrible, painful death.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Yo Yo Man's Top Ten 2003

    by Yo Yo Man

    By the way, I live in Scotland, so some of these movies (eg. Spirited Away) were out in the US in 2002, and some movies out in the US now (eg. Cold Mountain) haven't opened over here yet. But here goes... TOP TEN BEST MOVIES OF 2003: 1. The Return of the King. Peter Jackson has not so much surpassed Star Wars as sent two hobbits and a CGI schizoid on a covert mission into Skywalker Ranch, where they set fire to the ewoks, rearranged some droids in amusing sexual positions, pissed on ILM's mainframe computer, and then turned George Lucas over and planted a large New Zealand flag between his not-insubstantial asscheeks. This improves with each viewing and unites entire movie theatres in embarrassed, stifled sniffles. "It's not a tear, I've got something in my eye!"... 2. City of God. Every director in Hollywood should be forced to watch this on a loop until they are able to make a movie with enough intelligence, skill, imagination and balls-out courage to rival a single scene in this blood-spattered masterpiece... 3. Kill Bill: Volume 1. The cinematic equivalent of Quentin Tarantino waking you up from a pleasant dream by throwing a bucket of ice-cold water in your face, after which Uma Thurman bitch-slaps you out of paralysis in time for a screeching Lucy Liu to slice off one or more of your limbs. After it's all over, you'll want to do it again... 4. Pirates of the Caribbean. I went to see this in love with Keira Knightley. My sister went to see it in love with Orlando Bloom. We both came out in love with Johnny Depp. JOHNNY FUCKING DEPP!!!... 5. Adaptation. Sits alongside literary masterworks "Adventures in the Screen Trade" and "Which Lie Did I Tell?" as compelling reasons NOT to be a screenwriter... 6. Identity. A terrific cast are picked off one-by-one by a ludicrous plot which nevertheless makes for a cracking 90 minutes. Also, further evidence that John Cusack should be in every movie ever made. I know not everyone liked the twist, but I did. I also think it's one of those movies that gets reassessed years after its release. It's not great, just lots of fun, not nearly as bad as some people said.. 7. The Rules of Attraction. "How's school?" "It suuuucckks coooooooock!!!!!" And that Henry Nillson song that was in my head for days... 8. Spirited Away. The train ride at the end is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen, in real life or in movies. This more than made up for the first 90 minutes which I loved dispite not having a fucking clue what was going on... 9. Phone Booth. You will sweat... 10. Solaris. Maybe. I think it's amazing, but I'm not sure. I'm really hedging my bets on this one. When I figure it out I'll let you know... TOP TEN WORST MOVIES OF 2003: 1. Gigli. The movie equivalent of a prostitute who can't wear high heels and couldn't find a road map if she had a road map... 2. Timeline. Michael Crichton: not a very good writer. Paul Walker: not a very good actor. So, in a way, a kind of inverse perfection was achieved by uniting the respective nadirs of the populist cinematic and literary worlds... 3. Hollywood Homicide. A train wreck of a film which fails at every genre it attempts to incorporate. Luckily for Harrison Ford, his career's continuing downward spiral is overshadowed by the presence (or lack thereof) of talent vacuum Josh Harnett... 4. Once Upon a Time in Mexico. True confirmation of Johnny Depp's new status as Coolest Movie Star Alive Today is his survival, credibility intact, of this faintly embarrassing disaster. I weep for Robert Rodriguez, and plead for him to let other people join his crew next time. Hopefully the DVD will have a "Here's Johnny!" special feature which plays only his scenes... 5. The Matrix Revolutions. The latter part of the Bible as rewritten by the pretentious bastard lovechild of William Gibson and a bra-burning hippie. Absolute bollocks, and more importantly, a waste of $150million. Joel Silver and the Wachowski Bros. would have been better off feeding a small third world country and sparing us the sight of sex goddess Monica Bellucci competing with her own magnificent breasts for audience interest... 6. The Matrix Reloaded. The Year of the Matrix was shafted by it's own producer's exhaustive hyperbole, but hype aside, this is a 130 minute movie about a 14 minute car chase. It's entertaining enough, as long as you arrive late and pick judicious moments to go to the toilet/get more popcorn/play tongue hockey with your date. The Architect's explanation for the plot is so intelligent it's actually stupid - and, as we find out in the sequel, completely irrelevant... 7. Wrong Turn. However, this IS worth seeing for one inspired moment when an incredibly minor character is brutally and unexpectedly murdered mid-sentence. And Eliza Dushku... 8. Spy Kids 3D. I accepted my 3D glasses at the box office with absolute glee. Unfortunately it was all downhill from there as it became apparent I was watching other people play rubbish computer games... 9. Star Trek: Nemesis. Patrick Stewart can finally relax from being typecast as a stoic leader in a geeky comic book franchise and concentrate on the X-Men movies. Heh heh. I especially cringed at the spineless attempts to kill off a major character whilst gaining a new identical character who's played by the same actor. But, praise be, the Star Trek series has finally ended, as it should have done with First Contact... 10. Analyse That. I can't remember a single thing about this movie. Good for me, bad for the movie. If Robert De Niro's agent is reading this, I recommend he hires someone to taste his food and start his car for him. Pretty average year, I thought... Bookended by two instant classics courtesy of Brazil and NZ, and with an enormous indie production from Tarantino that was made in China. See ya, Hollywood! Yo Yo Man out.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill is sooooo over rated

    by Scopa

    yeah, it was entertaining... but top 10 material? I dont think so.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Elephant

    by BillEmic

    Wow, I'm glad someone else recognized this film. Elephant literally haunted me days after I saw it. I couldn't shake it from my mind. A powerful piece, brilliantly directed...I wouldn't call it "pretentious" at all. Just probably the most deeply disturbing movie I've ever seen. Pure art. And also, I'm frankly glad that Harry doesn't list more "popcorn" films. This site should be on the cutting edge of cinema, and represent the best that the world has to offer. And I think most would concede that some of the best films in cinema today are coming out of Asia - Hong Kong, Japan, and South Korea, specifically. I mean, I enjoyed Curse of the Black Pearl as much the next moviegoer but it doesn't stand against something like Infernal Affairs 2 or Musa the Warrior...

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Christopher Lee

    by SpikedBuffy

    I think they didn't show christopher lee in the credit pictures because he didn't appear in the film, where as sean bean had they 5 second clip from fellowship of the ring when pippin is thinking about him. Still to have ever other main character except Lee is a shame.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:30 p.m. CST

    ROTK

    by 2LeggedFreak

    I wasn't bothered so much by the long ending as the long winded beginning. Could have done completely without Denethor as in the final analysis he was a boring irrelevance (Gandalf should have smacked him on first site and saved us all a lot of bother). I noticed an audience who had sat spell bound through the first two films getting a bit restive at times in this one so I feel that for some reason there was definitely something wrong in the pacing of this film and infinitely prefer TTT of the three films. Still a great Trilogy but they are going to look as though they missed the boat when they hand out the Oscar for ROTK instead of TTT.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Bwa ha ha ha, Yo Yo Man!!!

    by Demon Moe

    Yo Yo Man, that was some funny shit man... I still disagree with you in many picks... I mean, phoneFUCKIN'booth???? That's not even funny, you know. Bye.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:36 p.m. CST

    so

    by AlgertMopper

    predictable, but better than last year when had nothing but stuff no one heard of, so you could make yourself "artsy"

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:39 p.m. CST

    What a boring year for movies, I love foreign movies and documen

    by charliechaplin

    There were no big surprises for me this year. No left field unexpected masterpieces. No new and strange visions. There is usually at least one or two, in recent years there have been up to five for me. The closest thing this year for me was Lost in Translation, which was much better than I expected from Sofia Coppola. But as much and I was amused and moved by that film, I can't imagine watching it over and over like the films I listed above. American Splendor played it to safe and just sat there on screen for me, it didn't get me excited in the least. Is anyone else with me? Were we truly lacking in inspired, arty, creative, new and exciting movies this year? Were there some hidden gems that I didn't see?

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Harry must have...

    by LaScalaFan

    ...forgotten all about Tomb Raider 2.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Go back and read Harry's Kill Bill review...

    by GravyAkira

    He was talking like it was the best film in years and an instant classic, which it it is. Best films of the year: Kill Bill, ROTK, and that underatted gem playing in theaters now with Tom Cruise.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Masked And Anonymous

    by Krinkle

    Personally, I loved "Masked"... Thought it was particularly funny, and don't see how a Bob Dylan fan could dislike it. Of course, I don't know whether Harry's taste is quite developed enough to appreciate that sort of thing. More and more often, I find Harry the most fickle "film critic" in the country... He seems to choose which films to like and dislike at random...

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Lost in Translation deserves Best Picture

    by Blacklist

    good grief I still haven't seen Sympathy for Mr Vengeance yet. And Oldboy looks great too. Haven't seen Revolution, but let me get this straight: it's great because it says the Bush administration is evil? Hmm, not sure I'm buying it. Then again, I, as well as the general viewing public, might be swayed once we see in explicit detail how Bush is endangering the population of Sumatrian rat-monkeys and oh who the fuck cares. Anyway, LiT, Coppola and Johansson are deserving of any awards they receive.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:52 p.m. CST

    charliechaplin see Avalon

    by Blacklist

    the recent domestic release has a cheesey ass cover but it's a pretty mind-blowing movie if you're interested. By the Ghost in the Shell guy, Oshii.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 4:54 p.m. CST

    charliechaplin see Avalon

    by Blacklist

    the recent domestic release has a cheesey ass cover but it's a pretty mind-blowing movie if you're interested. By the Ghost in the Shell guy, Oshii.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 5:02 p.m. CST

    RickP66

    by SenatorNado

    Hey, Rick boy, I just checked out your email address (jmb.fan@verizon.net) and, uh, what does JMBtand for? Jeb Mother Bush?

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 5:27 p.m. CST

    My 2003 lists

    by DukeDeMondo

    EdWood4321

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 5:34 p.m. CST

    CHUD should be on the goddamn list every year!!!

    by Uncle Stan

    Where are the werewolf and vampire films?!! Answer me that, Harry! Answer me that!

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 5:40 p.m. CST

    First!

    by PhilConnors

    Rotk showed me what I hate about movies. Crass commercialism. It's not art, it's product. Return of the King fucking sucked (this is an unqualified statement now that I've seen it twice), and if you don't believe it, read the book.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Yeaaaah, Harry! Right on with MYSTIC RIVER!

    by heywood jablomie

    The redhead said absolutely *everything* I thought about that overrated tripe. Clint's worst? Well, there is PINK CADILLAC to recall. Among others. SEVERAL others. Also: Proof positive that, yes, Brian Helgeland is (PAYBACK) a (KNIGHT'S TALE) big (THE ORDER) fat hack.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 5:52 p.m. CST

    From the makers of Ping Pong comes this year's cinematic spectac

    by Big Bad Clone

    Until today, I had never heard of Ping Pong... Anyways, my favorite movie this year was Kill Bill. I won't be seeing Lost in Translation or Bubba Ho Tep until this weekend which is actually 2004...Actually, I saw O Brother Where Art Thou on DVD a few days after seeing ROTK and O Brother was just fucking amazing. The best thing I've seen this calender year in any media.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 5:53 p.m. CST

    SenNado, I always find it interesting when posters check email a

    by the G-man

    Since we are almost all posting here anonymously, I must always wonder if the "checker" isn't looking at the email as part of a tentative effort to spam or otherwise harass one with whom he/she disagrees. Assuming that to be the case, perhaps you should consider honing your logic and/or rhetoric skills in order to advance your positions through healthy debate instead.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 5:55 p.m. CST

    yo yo man...... this is just a talk back, this will all be forgo

    by Windowlicker74

    maybe you should spend your time in another , more usefull way, you know, get out, meet a girl stuff like that. thanks for listening

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Matrix 2&3 make my best movies because I liked them...and if thi

    by iamarayya

    Movies I liked as well, Hebrew Hammer, Underworld, X2, City of God, Freddy vs. Jason, 28 days later, League of Extrodianery Gentlemen, Identity, Bad Santa, ROTK, Dreamcatacher, Matrix 2&3, and anything with nudity in it!

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 6:15 p.m. CST

    C'mon Harry, stop pimping Kill Bill already.

    by super Cucaracha

    The movie was good; but to be called one of the best... I DON'T THINK SO. There has to be something fishy about your picks when you select Kill Bill and not have 21 Grams in it. WTF!

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 6:18 p.m. CST

    RobinP's list.

    by RobinP

    With 2 days left, the best film of the year in my opinion was "Pirates of Caribbean". BUUUT...I'm not seeing "Return of the King" until tomorrow so the field's still wide open. Honorable mentions to "T3" & "Daredevil".The worst thing I saw this year was "Hulk". Not that it's a bad film, it's just that the pacing is way off for the first 50 mins. It gets better after that. My best movie going experience - was getting up at 3:00am one day in late spring, driving 4 hours, attending a computer training course and somehow finding the energy to attend a showing of "X2" that started at 10:00pm until midnight before sleepwalking to the taxi back to my hotel. The worst experience was sitting in my local theater with my son watching "LOTR Two Towers" with this arrogant bitch and her elderly cackling mother sitting right behind us giving a running commentary all the way through. They giggled and sighed through the battle of Helm's Deep for Christ's sake !!! Some people deserve rectal cancer. Biggest regret of 03 - realising that "Kill Bill" will probably be in my dvd collection before it arrives in my hick town movie theater.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 6:20 p.m. CST

    air hockey: the motion picture

    by speed

    haha! good one. made me giggle anyway. I wish i could love the return of the king. I wish i had the love for it that all of you have for it. but i said it before and I'll say it again. I think you have all been duped. The first film was not commercial. it was brilliant. it was fantasy come alive for the very first time in a realistic way. the 2nd and 3rd were hollywood. it seems that the more popular they became the more new line put their fingers into the mix. Plus i also believe that PJ just become too close to the project. he couldn't fit the sarumon 7minute scene into a 3 and a half hour movie??? THe endings were dire. IF IT WERE ME... i would have ended it with the eagles flying them off and back to the shire. that way we would be able to retrace the entire journey that we have been on. a revisiting of all the incredible places the films took us to. then if they really wanted some more closure they could have opened back up on the the magic races leaving the kingdom after the credits or half way through. no words... and the slo mo of them all on the bed- damn that was too corny. I think in years to come the love for this film will shrink. it's funny because everyone i know here in australia thinks it is good but not great. too long and too many endings. I think aussies MIGHT BE less partial to the corny stuff than americans. But in saying all this i still think it's a very good movie. i would like to see a few of the asian flicks harry is talking about.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 6:27 p.m. CST

    SenatorNado

    by RickP66

    JMB stands for John Moses Browning.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Why People Tend To Ignore Your Reviews In Favor of Moriarity's

    by Tigernan

    Go back and count how many times something was described as "the most amazing" or "simply awe-inspiring." So much hyperbole tends to dilute the entire article, and I've seen it happen pretty much every time you've written something. Enthusiasm is one thing, but unabashed cock-jerking makes me skip the post as soon as I see who wrote it. "This pizza was absolutely the most jaw-dropping experience I've been priviliged to encounter this year. The use of cheese and meat should be a wake-up call to anyone who considers themselves a carnivore. I can now die happy, having been in the presence of greatness." Ever seen any of the parodies of James Lipton, and his slavish ass-kissing of his guests on Inside the Actor's Studio? You're well on your way.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Stick to Your Guns Harry; Thank you and SALUTE!

    by MyGlockYourMouth

    Several years ago the Lord of the Rings was ending its first run, I hadn't seen it, hadn't read the books, considered it nerd fare, roughly equivalent to slightly more adult oriented Harry Potter material. Based on Harry's impassioned review, I went to see it, almost veering off to see Oceans 11, also in it's last week, instead. Now two readings of the book (and appendix), several viewings of the theatrical run and extended versions later, I am of the converted. Thanks to Harry. His enthusiasm also brought me to Ghost World, Donnie Darko (two personal all-time favorites), Battle Royale, Vanilla Sky, Amelie and Artificial Intellicence. Sure I hated the latter two Matrix films, but I owe a debt of gratitude to Harry for his exuberence, insight and sincerity. I am thankful for his presence in our world and for this websight. I raise my glass of George Dickel, white label, to ya sir! SALUTE.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 6:52 p.m. CST

    I liked "The revolution will not be televised" better when it wa

    by Garbageman33

    As a movie, it just wasn't that good, regardless of your politics. Yes, the events that were captured on film were amazing and the filmmakers placed themselves at great risk to get them. But simply pointing a camera at something doesn't make you a filmmaker. They offered no insight into why this was happening or what it meant. To me, the documentary "Bus 174" did a much more thorough job of taking an event (a bus hijacking in Rio de Janeiro) and examining all the reasons it happened and what the aftermath was. It was basically a non-fiction version of City of God (which also ruled).

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Is that my daughter in there!!!

    by Garbageman33

    While I don't agree with Harry's choice of "The revolution will not be televised", I'm glad someone finally articulated all the problems I had with "Mystic River". That shit with Kevin Bacon's wife on the cellphone annoyed me to death. And Sean Penn's histrionics, my god, he made Nick Nolte in "Hulk" seem like a model of subtlety.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 7:09 p.m. CST

    You've got to be kidding me

    by AlwaysThere

    Thats the worst list i've ever seen. Jesus is even shocked.

  • ... right? Geez, I think in my top 10 list for this year, i'll add Citizen Kane, The Third Man and Gaslight. And how about Jimmy Stewart for best actor? .. and Rules of Attraction was the most pointless, boring, tedious, overbearing piece of crap i've ever seen. Until i watched in the cut, which may be the single worst movie EVER made. meg ryan did look nice though .....

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Harry you're not alone on your Mystic River thoughts

    by Anomaly

    I thought it was a good film but the immense praise it is getting is somewhat baffling. Knowles and a couple of talkbackers have already pointed out some of the faults of this film but I must focus on the acting. Sean Penn and Marcia Gay Harden overact in this movie and I'm surprised that both are frontrunners for oscar nominations for these performances. The crowd scene with Penn was played way over the top and it honestly took me out of what could have been a very powerful moment. After the third(or was it the fourth?)time that he broke down and started bawling that sealed the deal for me. It wasn't so much that he cried this often, it was the way he cried, all of a sudden screwing his face up and then throwing his hands over his face. It was just too much. As for Marcia Gay Harden, I know she was trying to play sort of a basket case but in scenes like the one between her and Tim Robbins' character in the living room it seemed way too obvious that she was trying too hard. If you want to see a more effective display of crying and basket case behaviour go see Return of the King. Sean astin and Andy Serkis deliver in spades.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 7:39 p.m. CST

    No one asks Senators what they think about movies...

    by chrth

    So why would an unofficial critic think anyone cares what he thinks about politics?

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Return Of The King vs. Cold Mountain: Battle Of The Self Importa

    by dr. robert

    I've seen both and have made the realization that I'll never want to sit through either ever again. Does Harvey realize that ROTK WILL win Best Picture in March? hehe!

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 8:05 p.m. CST

    ummm harry...if u think the media can distort news to favor a pa

    by metsrulein2k

    Imagine what a director can do with a 2 hour movie he has no liscense on...food for thought.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 8:07 p.m. CST

    The Rules Of Soulless Filmmaking

    by dr. robert

    Did someone here really mention The Rules Of Attraction as a film of the year? That film was almost as smug, hateful and vain as Lost In Translation.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Not as crazy as last years list Harry...

    by buckna

    But it still escapes me as to why you include so many movies in your top ten that you don't even bother to REVIEW on this site for your patrons?!?!?! Are you waiting to the end of the year to unleash little gems of movies you found throughout the year for us unlucky folk who don't have the time or inclination to spend every day watching film? And if so, how many great films that a layperson like myself has missed out on hearing about because you were waiting until your end of the year X-mas present to your readers?

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 8:50 p.m. CST

    amen on mystic river

    by hank quinlan

    Another "critics" film. The hushed tones. The blue and brown colors. The actors coming into their own. The half assed thriller plot. And Eastwood returning to "form". You can practiclly hear Edelstein's review on NPR. Yawn. If EVERY critic on the planet loves a movie I promise you it will be well made, kinda boring, and mildly entertaining (see also far from Heaven, The Pianist, Lost in Translation). Thanks Harry for speaking up. Honestly, I know I am gonna get killed for saying this but thats how I feel about LOTR movies. They are pretty good. Very well made. Entertaining. But they just dont do it for me like evryone else. Frankly I love Jackson. I knew he would do it justice. And I hope more directors of his ilk get 300 milllion dollar movies because of it. Doubtful. Frankly this is the worst year for movies I can remember ever. That Edelstein said it was so good, only confirmed my suspicions. But whatever...Glad it's over. Hope next year will be better. And thanks again for ripping off the Emperor's new clothes. Oh yeah and DO NOT see Demon Lover. Honestly, Gigli is more entertaining. No really, I saw them both. Dont do it!

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Had to do a worst list, just to shame the makers.

    by MontyPigeon

    The worst of the year: (1) Gigli (2) Texas Chainsaw Massacre (3) Bad Boys 2 (4) Hollywood Homicide (5) Matrix Revolutions (6) Johnny English (7) Terminator 3 (8) Matrix Reloaded (9) Timeline (10) Love Actually .

  • Harry's list is ok, but he feels the need to include out-of-reach "artsy " films that no one has seen. That's great. How about a list of films that were actually out at our local theaters?Just an idea.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Cellphone Wife

    by BillEmic

    I agree with most of the criticisms of Mystic River: I kept waiting for the whole Kevin Bacon/Cellphone Wife "subplot" (it feels generous to call it that) to have a pay-off but in the end, it turned out to be severely pointless. Also, the movie seemed to just end far too abruptly and the whole parade sequence at the end had little or no value. It's like, "Everyone is happy except for Tim Robin's wife. The end." However, I thought that the movie as a whole was mostly powerful and dramatic...the violence at the end was very brutal and realistic, and it was worth seeing the movie to hear the audience - composed mostly of senior citizens - audibly gasp as that kid's face was bashed in. It was nice to see a film that was at once both dark and uncompromising. Much better major studio fare than The Last Samurai, with its "feel good" ending that completely goes in the face of reality. I'd rather see a film that at least tackles larger issues and doesn't cop-out, like Mystic River. I'd say the worst part of the movie was the score, composed by Eastwood, which consisted of a single melody...played over and over. Ouch.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 9:48 p.m. CST

    another mystic river hater

    by jimmiescoffee

    this film was almost unbearable. i nearly left it half way through (and i've never done that). i completely agree with all of those critiques

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 10:13 p.m. CST

    more matrix talk

    by The DoublePoster

    I'm tired of all these people missing the point of Matrix Revolutions. For an intelligent dissection of the movie, go to http://skyline_10.tripod.com/

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 10:28 p.m. CST

    about the cellphone wife in Mystic River (SPOILERS)

    by The DoublePoster

    IMHO, there was absolutely to a point to this subplot. At the end, Sean Penn gets away with it, because Kevin Bacon doesn't turn him in (he just makes that gun gester over the parade). For me, the movie was actually about the wives of the 3 men, and the importance of family. Kevin Bacon gets a call from his wife, and his family is back together again. Reminded of the need for family, he doesn't want to ruin Sean Penn's family by arresting him. Meanwhile, Celeste (Robbin's wife) is not a strong enough character to keep her family together, so they break apart. If the wife hadn't called Bacon, he would have arrested Penn, and near the end of the movie I was expecting this call to tie up a "happy" ending.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 10:28 p.m. CST

    my humble top ten....

    by Bourne GreyElf

    1.The Last Samurai 2.Return of the King. 3.HERO 4.X2 5.Pirates of the Caribean......and I can't think of anymore worth mentioning..so I guess this is my top 5. trust me guys, HERO kicks ass.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 10:35 p.m. CST

    THE MOST AMAZING TOP TEN LIST EVER!

    by T-MACK 1.01

    Gotcha. Ahl rrrright.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 10:45 p.m. CST

    ROTK is not the greatest arrangement of sequenced photons of all

    by Psalmolive

    God, I can't believe you nerds. I can appreciate Peter Jackson's passion for the material, and all the blistering hard work, but that does not a great movie make. You are entitled to your opinion, but you cannot just flat out say it is the greatest film of all time. There is no such thing as "the greatest movie of all time". There is the movie YOU like. But, as I have read this forum for quite some time, I know that those who try to reason with you are casting pearls before swine. I can only pity you all for your blindness and blatant insecurity.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 11:07 p.m. CST

    ROTK is not the best film of the year

    by jeffallee

    No film that has a guy running around in a goonies mask can be considered the best film of the year. The first 90 minutes were pretty dull also.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Yeah right

    by Xorply

    No Finding Nemo? Yeesh.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Ten movies I really, really enjoyed...

    by Lizzybeth

    ... (because I don't want to rank them) - Lost in Translation, American Splendor, Return of the King, Spellbound, X2, Finding Nemo, Whale Rider, School of Rock, A Mighty Wind, Thirteen. A few addendums - Mystic River would be on that list if Eastwood hadn't fumbled the ending. Because I'm home for the holidays I haven't yet seen In America which may very well kick something off this list, as well as Company and a few others. And Angels in America would top my list had it been released in theaters. And while I'm listing things - Songs:Ohia, Califone, Decemberists, The Rapture, Broken Social Scene, Stars, Prefuse 76, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Rufus Wainright, and the White Stripes made my favorite albums this year, all right, now I've gotten all that out of my system and can celebrate New Year's without irritating all my friends. Thank you internet.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 2:16 a.m. CST

    I think that the average person's list

    by PumpyMcAss

    has yet to be completed. I've been seeing everything as it comes out and have yet to see what January brings to the table. So far Mystic River, Kill Bill Vol 1, 28 Days Later, Capturing the Friedmans, Man on the Train, House of Sand and Fog, Cold Mountain, Stevie, and City of God are all potentials. In the next few weeks I will have seen Big Fish, 21 Grams, Triplets of Bellville, Monster and The Barbarian Invasions. Those look like they could be winners as well. OVER-RATED FILMS: American Splendor, Lost in Translation, In America, Return of the King, and Master of Commander. While all good films, I don't feel that they are as deserving as some of the others on my list for best of the year consideration.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 3:01 a.m. CST

    What the hell is Teenage Mother?

    by johnnyhotboy

    Did i miss this one? What is Teenage Mother? I just checked on the web and all it brought up was this one from 1968 about a girl who lies to her boyfriend about being pregnant to keep him away from his health teacher or some shit like that. Is this it? Harry's kinda strange, I guess.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 3:09 a.m. CST

    another year has come and gone

    by Jack D. Ripper

    first, Lost In Translation is easily the most overrated film of 2003. Coppola Jr has successfully stolen the overrated hack crown from Soderbergh, who at least made one or two good movies. Second, I'm quite shocked that MYSTIC RIVER has been A) lumped into the oscar-bait category w/COLD MOUNTAIN and B) been so maligned at year's end, mostly in favor of that pos LIT. Mystic is not forced or arbitray, but indeed one of the best films of this decade and one of the Best American films in years. Kill Bill sucked not necessarily from a lack of empathy as much as from a lack of purpose. Oh wow he's referencing grindhouse and Switchlbade Sisters! WHO CARES? Tarantino is OVER. Man, those Matrix sequels were dissapointing. Also, to that guy who defended Revolutions, while that discussion of the film is indeed intelligent, in the end, it still doesn't redeem the film as even with Greek mythology and Buddhism and existentialism and all that crap, the matrix trilogy remains essentially heartless, because in the end, if you accept that logic, it's not really a struggle or fight for anything, but just a bunch of goddamn computer programs running around. The reason LOTR works so beautifully is that there is something at stake, and by ROTK the stakes cannot be any higher. Matrix essentially fails, if you accept it all as being fake, because in the end, who cares about a bunch of programs, happy ending or no? The first Matrix remains masterful, but it has no been tarnished by the shitty, implosive sequels. It's so obvious that the Wachowskis just thought it up over a weekend or so and didn't think about it very well. 1.THE LORD OF THE RINGS:THE RETURN OF THE KING 2.MYSTIC RIVER 3.ANGELS IN AMERICA 4.MASTER AND COMMANDER:THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD 5.AMERICAN SPLENDOR 6.THE STATION AGENT 7.MAN ON THE TRAIN 8.RAISING VICTOR VARGAS 9.TEN 10.SEABISCUIT honorable mentions--INTOLERABLE CRUELTY, BLUE CAR, X2, PIRATES, T3, LAST SAMURAI

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Harry is right about MISTAKE RIVER...

    by UnChienAndalou

    ...but I don't see how anyone could make a case for ROTK or KILL BILL as two of the ten best films of the year. I know it was a weak year for quality film, but come on...

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 3:38 a.m. CST

    ping pong....

    by DarthBakpao

    it wasn't that good in my opinion...i decided to go to sleep halfway through it. A Tale of Two Sisters and Infernal Affairs II are a lot better movies, if not the best this year

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Yo Yo Man...

    by DocPazuzu

    ... Best post in this talkback. I laughed my ass off. Thanks.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 5:06 a.m. CST

    ROTK

    by LanceG

    No director, including Jackson, and Boorman, can make a movie featuring fight sequences that can compare to those in ANY Ridley Scott film. Gladiator was and is the best movie ever made. I think it was the best pictue this or any year. Watch it again and remember.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Here is my top 100 best films of 2003...are you ready?

    by CranialLeak

    Didn't think so. Neither am I.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Mystic River was two hours of my life I will never get back: BOO

    by MentallyMariah

    I hate that movie with a passioN!!

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 6:12 a.m. CST

    ha ha, check it out.

    by small boy

    http://www.somethingawful.com/isnotitcoolnews/

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 7:39 a.m. CST

    No one really cares and it's still incomplete ...

    by Ronnie_Dobbs

    ... but here's a tentative Top Ten for me, though there are still at least ten more movies I must see from 2003, in no particular order (except the first one, of course): THE LORD OF THE RINGS - that's right, the whole trilogy, now that it's (sort of) complete. As a stand-alone film, THE RETURN OF THE KING just might have to bow to: IRREVERSIBLE - Oh My GOD! This film is like some kind of gruesome car wreck in reverse, ending (beginning) with how you came to know and love the people killed or irreparably damaged in said wreck; absolutely devestating, like: CAPTURING THE FRIEDMANS - 2003 was a great year for documentaries; this was the most powerful and compelling, but I was also very fond of: SPELLBOUND - completely edge-of-your-seat entertainment; witty and engaging, with characters too funny and bizarre to just make up. Extremely loveable characters were also the main feature of: LOST IN TRANSLATION (simply beautiful), but not so much in: 21 GRAMS, another non-linear storytelling masterpiece that kept me on my toes, much like: SPIDER, the latest great film from the master, David Cronenberg!!! A dark and twisted film, like: BAD SANTA, but in a very different way. IN AMERICA was a somewhat more traditional family film that I loved, and finally, I simply must give a nod to THE ANIMATRIX, which was better than any of the MATRIX trilogy, if you ask me. RELOADED sucked hard, REVOLUTIONS was interesting. Worst of the year (that I actually bothered to see): ANGER MANAGEMENT. Most overrated film of 2003: (tie) THE LAST SAMURAI and PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN. Coolest festival-type thing: THE ANIMATION SHOW. Best national revival of a classic film: ALIEN - THE DIRECTOR'S CUT. Peace out.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Yes, Mystic River is overpraised

    by Saracene

    I feel the same about Mystic River's shortcomings except I did like the acting.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Blah blah blah

    by rev_skarekroe

    What kind of "Best of" list doesn't include "The Hulk"? "LXG"? "Dumb and Dumberer"? "GIGLI" for crying out loud! Shame Harry Knowles, shame. sk

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 8:06 a.m. CST

    agreed, OLDBOY is f***in' mind blowing

    by eterniti

    One of the strongest, freshest performances by Choi Min Sik in this year's cinematicscape. Props to Harry for pointing out a film that is unfortunately off the mainstream radar, but deserving of its praise. Powerful, understated and gritty, worth seeing folks, give it a run.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 8:11 a.m. CST

    BTW, for that guy who plugged HERO

    by eterniti

    Hero was a piece of regurgitated, kitsche cinematic shit. The film until the first wardrobe change was arresting. Tony Leung, amazing performer. Unfortunately, unless you are treading the genius footsteps of 'Run Lola Run', replaying the same story line in a change of clothing doesn't make it watchable. Props for being..hmm..the first movie I've EVER fallen alseep in.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Umm, LouC - you DID realize that YoYoMan wrote that he was from

    by Miami Mofo

    It's right there in the very first line that he wrote. And because he is from Scotland, there may be movies on his 2003 list that were released here in the States during 2002. 'Adaptation' was one, and thus deserves to be on his 2003 list. So LouC, why don't you go and brush up on your reading comprehension before commenting about somebody else's posts.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Lou C. and Windowlicker, and The Office...

    by Yo Yo Man

    Lou C.: heed Miami's advice! I do indeed live in Bonnie Scotland, which is slightly to the left of civilisation, hence Adaptation wasn't released here until something like April or May 2003. Spirited Away didn't come out until September! As for my choices, I make no attempt to defend them: they're simply the movies I liked best of the year. I enjoyed Rules of Attraction because it was like being at a college party full of drunken drug-addled degenerate student wankers, but without me having to actually interact with them. I thought it was hilarious. If you didn't, fair enough. Windowlicker: unfortunately I'm too ugly to find a girl, and too stupid to do anything useful, although I don't see how the occasional half-hour spent ranting about movies on the internet precludes me from either activity. Still, thanks very much for your counsel, I will translate your words to Elvish, etch them in granite and fix them on the wall above the computer in my darkened parents' basement, between my ceiling-high pile of unopened comic books and my Anthony-Daniels-signed first edition Return of the Jedi poster. Also, hats off to the talkbackers who have mentioned The Office, which is a fucking masterpiece. The only British TV show I could call a "work of art" with a straight face. The most consistently perfect writing and acting of any TV show, ever. There's a single shot in the last episode which manages to be satirical, hilarious, nail-bitingly tense, palm-sweating, utterly realistic and will put you through virtually your entire emotional spectrum, which television isn't really supposed to do. Even The Simpsons has the odd episode you could take or leave. The Office rules them all!!!

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Best movie of the year

    by ATARI

    Return of the King

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Worst movie of the year (tie)

    by ATARI

    Matix: Reloaded and Matrix: Revolutions

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 9:03 a.m. CST

    AIN'T IT REALLY UN-COOL NEWS --- Anita Mui has passed away.

    by Rufus_T_Firefly

    Okay, Harry... time for one of your patent-pending 18 page tributes. One of the few Grand Dames of HK cinema succumbed to cancer yesterday. She was only 40 years old. Anita was the one who stole "Drunken Master II" away from Jackie Chan, for all the uninitiated...

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Anita Mui R.I.P

    by SoulOnIce

    Anita Mui has died at age 40 of cancer. Very sad news.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 10:41 a.m. CST

    why do LOTR fans...

    by MisterGrimloch

    including the author of this talkback article, feel the need to constantly point out how great the LOTR films will be perceived "over time"? other than insecurity at the very possible prospect that they will NOT be perceived as anything other than unnecessarily long, and lazily edited, that is. oh yeah, and self important.

  • 1) Finding Nemo, 2) Return of the King, 3) Master & Commander, 4) American Splendor, 5) Kill Bill, 6) The School of Rock, 7) The Matrix Sequels, 8) Lost in Translation, 9) Pirates of the Carribean, 10) Bad Santa/Elf. Films that I haven't seen yet this year: Mystic River, Big Fish, Cold Mountain, Last Samurai, Triplets of Belleville or whatever the spelling of the stupid french town is because they use too many fucking letters that nobody pronounces which is why I hate that language, and a bunch of other movies that probably wouldn't have made it onto my list anyway. Best Old Movie I Saw This Year For the First Time: Seconds. Worst Movie I Saw All Year: Hulk. Best Movie of 2004: The Passion.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 10:47 a.m. CST

    jeez...

    by tango fett

    i think i'm the only person in the world who enjoyed the entire Matrix experience (1,2,Enter the Matrix, Animatrix, and 3). sure, i was extremely dissapointed, but i still think that the whole thing rocked. it kinda feels like a dream, like none of Matrix happened. anywho, here's the best of 2003 (i didn't see much, so just bare with my choices.) 1. Return of the King (obviously) 2. Matrix Revolutions (commence bashing) 3. Last Samurai (pretty cool) 4. Matrix Reloaded (see #2) 5. Finding Nemo (overrated, but pretty good) and the worst of 2003 (this only contains movies i saw. but i'll put gigli on anyway) 1. Gigli 2. Anger Managment (it really wasen't that funny) 3. Hulk (i was so pissed by this one. almost fell asleep at least 4 times) 4. Elf (it wasen't the worst movie ever, but it definately needed more laughs.) 5. Lizzie Maguire (God help us all) Honorable mentions (best) -Pirates of the Caribbean, X2, T3 Honorable mentions (worst) -Daredevil, LXG, uh...whatever harry's crapfest of a movie is called. you know, the one he's "producing." cheers.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 12:07 p.m. CST

    I'm with Harry on Mystic River...

    by morGoth

    ...I mean, I kept trying to like it but I kept thinking it was the same detective story format I'd seen a million times. Forced, yes, that's a good way to describe some of the acting. Dunno, the movie just didn't click for me which is odd in that I love everything Clintwood does. Go figger. Ahhhh, so very special, so pretty, sooooo bright...that would be The Return of the King in all it's wonderful glory. Thank you Peter Jackson for reminding Hollywood of what "heart" is and thank you to all the wonderful actors and people who worked on the project. Honestly, I never thought it would be this good and more importantly, would acheive such heartfelt dedication and most importantly, absolute love for the source. Personally, I would've moved Lost In Translation as number two but that's only because I haven't seen the others. On second thought, American Splendour and Lost should tie for second with Whale Rider in a close third! All-in-all, a great movie year for morGoth and the morGette's.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 12:25 p.m. CST

    WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS DO THIS? HARRY - START AT "10" AND WORK YO

    by timmer33

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 12:32 p.m. CST

    I must be the only nonfan of LOTR who has seen them all once onl

    by TheGinger Twit

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 12:40 p.m. CST

    what a list

    by ZO

    of 6 of ten movies NO ONE has ever heard of

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 12:42 p.m. CST

    What the fuuuuuuuuuuuuu......

    by OswaldWasAFag!

    Where's Finding Nemo? Harry you gushed about it and it's not even mentioned. Go back to the way you used to do it. Didn't you used to do a top 40? You should keep doing it that way, it's not like anyones gonna confuse you and Kasem or anything.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 12:58 p.m. CST

    does anyone know where i can go to find message boards about mov

    by perryfarrell

    of course there's no such place, this is the internet. idiots are everywhere.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 1:13 p.m. CST

    The Good Thief

    by dr. robert

    Neil Jordan's Good Thief. Was that 2003 or 2003? Great little film that was.______________ Also: the award for most incomprehensible plot of 2003 has to go to Charlies Angels: Full Throttle. What a fuckin' mess!

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 1:20 p.m. CST

    speed summed it up perfectly...

    by MisterGrimloch

    the first picture was brilliant, and the second and third were far more Hollywood, with New Line putting their fingers into the mix. ROTK, in my opinion, will shrink over time, and not be remembered as the greatness it is now being hailed as, amidst all the excitement. nor will TTT, but ROTK will be seen as the worst of the 3, easily.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 1:26 p.m. CST

    My Favorite Films of 2003

    by DarthKoshi

    1. Return of the King.... 2. X-Men 2 .... 3. Master & Commander .... 4. Bend it Like Beckham .... 5. Daredevil .... Most Disappointing: Hulk.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 1:31 p.m. CST

    The LOTR films will reign forever

    by DarthKoshi

    These films together will bring in over $3 billion worldwide before it's over. They are even better loved in Europe and elsewhere than in the US. They will be fondly remembered as classics and icons and treasures 100 years from now, just like the original Star Wars trilogy will be. If they're not your thing, fine-- but if you dispute any of the above, you're just being silly.

  • Great way to run a web site. Some PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell what there was to Lord of the Rings beyond endless battles (with great FX I'll give it that. FX that would not exist without ILM but still) and crying and climbing and saying goodbye. I'm not an enormous Matrix fan but as derivative as it was there was a hell of a lot more story to it than LOTR had. So no, those who weren't moved by the crying midgets and long goodbyes in LOTR aren't morons or whatever you called them.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 2:33 p.m. CST

    "Lord of the Rings" is to teenage boys what "Titanic" was to tee

    by WPMayhew

    Don't get me wrong. I like TITANIC. I like LORD OF THE RINGS too. But Harry (and most of the critical community) pumping these films up as some of THE GREATEST EVER MADE seems a bit immature, not to mention premature. It reminds me of how 14-year old girls used to talk about TITANIC. It was a very exciting event at the time and a lot of superlatives were thrown around loosely. But, a few years later, people looked back on TITANIC, listened to the dialogue, listened to Celine Dion's MY HEART WILL GO ON, and wondered "What was I THINKING?" I can't help but suspect die-hard LOTR supporters are setting themselves up for a similarly drastic reevaluation. One day, five years from now, you'll be watching FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING and you'll say "What the fuck is this shitty Enya song doing at the end of the movie? I mean, c'mon, Enya? Was Yanni too busy?" Or you'll be looking at RETURN OF THE KING saying: "Nine endings? This is supposed to be GOOD storytelling?" I totally appreciate anyone's right to love LOTR. A part of me really loves these films too. But I think this tendency to declare LOTR the greatest achievement in the history of cinema is a little out of line. It takes decades to determine something like that. Harry wants to canonize these films the weekend after he sees them.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 2:35 p.m. CST

    MYSTIC RIVER

    by harrysoldout

    SURE THE ACTING WAS GOOD, SURE WITH THAT CAST IT HAD TO BE BUT HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU CALL IT A GOOD MOVIE JUST BECAUSE OF THE ACTING, THE STORY SUCKED WORSE THEN ANYTHING, HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THE WHOLE MOVIE YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IF TIM ROBBINS KILLED THE GIRL, EVERYTHING POINTS THAT WAY THEN AT THE END YOU FIND OUT THAT ON THE SAME NIGHT, AT THE SAME TIME, IN THE SAME SMALL TOWN WHERE EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY'S SHIT, ANOTHER KID IS BEING MOLESTED AND THE WHOLE THING IS A ACCIDENT, I MEAN COME ON PEOPLE, THEY BROUGHT IN A COMPLETE OUTSIDE FORCE AT THE LAST SECOND, THAT IS TERRIBLE, ANY ONE CAN MAKE A GOOD SUSPENSEFUL MOVIE WITH THOSE ACTORS IF AT THE LAST SECOND YOU BRING SOME ELEMENT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE SEE INB THE MOVIE. IT HAD MORE PLOT HOLES THEN ALL THE MATRIXS TOGETHER.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 2:51 p.m. CST

    listen up harry!

    by tatatoothy31

    Harry

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 3:11 p.m. CST

    damn, i went to Sitges and i didn

    by CuervoJones

    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 3:11 p.m. CST

    LOTR Bashers

    by AncientSatyr

    It's funny to see it. Any half witted sociologists could predict for you this phenomena. After three straight years of LOTR, you are bound to get those who love to go against the grain spouting off. These people just love to not be a part of what they perceive as the majority because the majority sucks. It is actually funny how some try to say that the movie was just OK. It's even funnier those that try to say it was boring. There was nothing ordinary about that movie.....nothing. It is the only true epic to come alone in decades and it blows everything away. The last installment was by far the best. There will always be those who have to bash because it's just in their nature.....but guys, look at the box office. There are not that many fan boys in the world. The entire world loves this movie for the simple reason that it is the most enjoyable story (all three movies) to come alone in a long while. Box office doesn't lie......people all over love this movie and you guys are in the definate minority (where you wanted to be anyway). And to those that find LOTR homoerotic...you guys really need some help. You have issues. In my life, I have personally witnessed several guys come out of the closet who were big time gay bashers most of their lives. They obsessed on it. That is what you remind me of. You either need to come out, or take a deeper look at yourself. You have gotten too used to action movies spoon-feeding you your daily intake of testosterone.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Worst of the year

    by Mark D

    Before I begin, I want to wish a merry christmas to all TB'ers... With that out of the way. This year for hollyweird has been a disaster. Dont believe me: in the 2002 preview of 03, many people predicted(risky things, predictions!) 03 would be a great year for movies. The movie year began in Jan with Scorcese giving us Gangs of New York, it should have been his mangum opus instead it turned into a befuddled and confusing mess. Then came DareDevil in Feb another stinking piece of garbage(Ben has by now erased 03 from memory). If there is one group of people who must be slapping there heads its Marvel Comics, all Marvel films with the notable exception of X-Men2: United(What was with that title?) Stank! What actually happend was that movies themselves OD'd on CGI, like Lara Croft, DareDevil, The hulk or had lousy scripts, like lara Croft or the Matrix. There were other non CGi movies which failed and the most glorious examples The sweetest thing and Full Throttle, Too Fast too furious. The Sweetest thing was Cameron Diaz's Nadir movie, check out the Dvd and in one of Docs the female cast shred the writer and Director to bits. Full Throttle was a horrible movie as was Legally Bland 2. Two movies that I avoided like the plague. When Lucy Liu(who is one actress who should start playing villain as a career change) was asked did she care if or Why Full throttle failed, She said she did not care about the money. Why did you agree to star big budget movie, Lucy?. Like the matrix Full Throttle was an empty headed and noisy affair and so therefore I didnt see it. I didnt see Gigli, the worst movie of the decade or since the studio system began. Why Didnt the Studio simply shut the movie fire the writers and get the movie sharpened up. Then there was the Twat in the Cat suit(Mike Myers what were you thinking). At The end of the year and despite what Harry thought, for me Revolutions was a deeply annoying, empty experience. There are some interesting looking films coming up in 04 most if not all are literary adaps, maybe the film of the summer will be spidey 2 or Shrek 2 even. I leave now with a warning, Hollyweird had better shape up and stop hitting us over the head with the rubbish, other wise people will continue not to go to the movies like they did 03. This year we lost, mostly through illness and old age the people who made Movies and Music watchable and listenable, Katherin Hepurn, Bob Hope, John Johnny Cash to name a few. Master and commander was a movie in which all the cast went through the motions and it Looked like russell looked like had been pigging out once to often. in other words with the exception of Return of the King none of the movies lived up to expection. Mark D out. Happy new Year!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Star Wars

    by Professor5150

    Is better than LOTR in my opinion. There are many reasons... ROTK was good but the ending was terrible

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Star Wars

    by Professor5150

    Is better than LOTR in my opinion. There are many reasons... ROTK was good but the ending was terrible

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 3:33 p.m. CST

    After seeing Last Samauri last night...this is the best 7 movies

    by Lost Skeleton

    1. ROTK; 2. Last Samauri; 3. Whale Rider; 4. Finding Nemo; 5. Matrix Reloaded; T6. Pirates of the Carribean; T6. 28 Days Later For the rest, if you care, see Father Geeks's talkback

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Sigh...

    by HardcoreRocker

    Ping Pong, Lost in Translation, ROTK, American Splendor....all great. Very good list. All will likely be on mine, but I want to see a few more (21 Grams, Big Fish) before making my list. Reviews of ROTK and Peter Pan at www.rockithardcore.com

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 3:46 p.m. CST

    The LOTR films are NOT, NOT, NOT, *NOT* the greatest pictures of

    by Shanghai Nicky

    That's just plain common sense, but on this site it would seem to amount to heresy. Yes, they are good films. In many ways, they are terrific films. But they are not earthshatteringly amazing stupendous staggering fucking masterworks of motion picture gold. Get a grip and get a bit of perspective.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 4:24 p.m. CST

    ROTK is insanely overrated.

    by TheSumOfGod

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 4:35 p.m. CST

    ROTK is insanely overrated.

    by TheSumOfGod

    I can't be bothered to make a top ten list, so the TOP FIVE of 2003 (in my noy-so-humble opinion) are: 5- DareDevil. Yeah, I know that most people absolutely hated this movie, but then again, most people are fucking idiots. 4- Matrix: Revolutions. Not quite a masterpiece, but a million times better than the sucktacular Reloaded. I'm buying this one on DVD for sure. 3- Hulk. If I wasn't such a huge X-Men fan since my childhood, then I would say that Hulk was definitively the best comic book movie ever made. 2- X2: X-Men United. Definitively the best comic book movie ever made. Period. Superman and Spider-man can go suck Bryan Singer's dick. 1- Kill Bill: Volume 1. I don't care if Volume 2 is somehow impossibly lame. Volume 1 is tha shiat. The only movie I'm really looking foward to in 2004 is Hellboy. Everything else seems so-so.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 4:37 p.m. CST

    ROTK is insanely overrated.

    by TheSumOfGod

    I can't be bothered to make a top ten list, so the TOP FIVE of 2003 (in my noy-so-humble opinion) are: 5- DareDevil. Yeah, I know that most people absolutely hated this movie, but then again, most people are fucking idiots. 4- Matrix: Revolutions. Not quite a masterpiece, but a million times better than the sucktacular Reloaded. I'm buying this one on DVD for sure. 3- Hulk. If I wasn't such a huge X-Men fan since my childhood, then I would say that Hulk was definitively the best comic book movie ever made. 2- X2: X-Men United. Definitively the best comic book movie ever made. Period. Superman and Spider-man can go suck Bryan Singer's dick. 1- Kill Bill: Volume 1. I don't care if Volume 2 is somehow impossibly lame. Volume 1 is tha shiat. The only movie I'm really looking foward to in 2004 is Hellboy. Everything else seems so-so.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 5:05 p.m. CST

    best film experience

    by callmesnake

    my best film experience this year was seeing Eyes Without a Face on Halloween at the film forum in NYC

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 5:16 p.m. CST

    The Hulk

    by andenu

    I bought the DVD cause I liked it in the theater. Watched it last night, it was really good. Not great but a good movie and at least a strange movie in an interesting way. Plus the character the hulk is fun to watch.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Mystic River (by Dennis Lehane)

    by ZooTrain

    A lot of the criticisms of Mystic River that I've read here were rather misinformed because most people seem to have forgotten that this film is based on a book. Anybody who has read the book will realize that the movie did a tremendous job of adapting the book for the screen. Being an avid reader of Lehane's, I read Mystic River about two years ago, and from what I recall, the film was quite faithful to what Lehane put on the page. "I absolutely hated the sub-plot of the cel-phone calls from the silent runaway love of Kevin Bacon

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 6:03 p.m. CST

    rotk and the gold dildo

    by raker

    if ever there was a year for a fantasy movie/scifi movie to win an oscar this might just be it... one can only imagine what the impact of that would be.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 6:06 p.m. CST

    everyone just needs to calm down...

    by UberSpectre

    Why does it seem like every big fan of LOTR films has a stick up their ass about things. Were the movies good? Hell yeah they were good. Were they brilliant and the best films ever made, um hell no far from it. People realize this months from now when the hype dies but if you look at ROTK the editing is really bad. These movies should have been rated R and since they weren't the film was really flawed, and if you don't agree with that at leats you know you have a pole stuck up your ass. I mean a movie can't be based on great fight sequences because if so Jackie Chan's First Strike should have gotten some Golden Globes. Also what pisses me off is that everyone claims ROTK was the best film ever made even though just a year ago everyone claimed TTT was the best movie ever made, make up your fucking mind I know what my favorite movie I don't change it every year. So to all the uber LOTR fans, just calm down and take a deep breath there can be other good movies out. Personally I liked Mystic River better than ROTK, because it had good acting in it and great direction. ROTK had a lot of people fighting with swords and a guy being lit on fire and jumping off a tower(classic), but that doesn't mean it should get oscars or even the paper weight golden globes

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 6:17 p.m. CST

    This TalkBack order is truly incredible.

    by Charles Grady

    What a server -- completely arbitrary TalkBack order. And a lot of you guys must seriously live in the sticks or ONLY see mainstream blockbusters, cause a lot of your lists, both Best and Worst, are little too heavy on popcorn fare. And as many have said, people, please STOP listing 2002 movies that came out in YOUR town in 2003. Gangs of New York, and Sweetest Thing, are certainly NOT in any way, shape, or form 2003 FILMS. And if flicks like Big Fish, House of Sand..., Cold Mountain, Monster, etc., haven't hit your city yet or you haven't gotten around to them, aren't your lists a little premature? Hang on til you've seen more 2003 FILMS instead of FILMS YOU HAPPENED TO SEE IN THE CALENDAR YEAR OF 2003, PLEASE. Ah, fuck it, no one's reading each other's posts here anyway....Just a lot of people needing to express themselves for instant validation.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 6:37 p.m. CST

    The Politics of Reviews

    by Roboteer

    Where do I begin??? At least Harry got ONE right with LOST IN TRANSLATION. Otherwise, I guess movie reviews aren't challenging enough now w/o wrongheaded political agendas and leftwing conspiracy theories entering the mix? Maybe he's following Ebert's lead of having politics infect his reviews. Except Ebert's a whole lot more subtle at it. Isn't it funny that Libs, when out of power, will go for ANYTHING anti-American. Then when anyone calls them on it, they whine about being called unpatriotic. I think they're right.... "traitorous" is frequently much more accurate. If anyone believes this Government is not growing more socialist and anti-conservative every day, then they really aren't paying attention to domestic policy and court decisions. At least we haven't caved to the French and raghead terrorists like Moe Howard Dean wants....yet. And television covering for the Bush administration, what a hoot! There's one poor cable news channel that holds a few percent of the total audience that's a little balanced. All the rest, dominated throughout with East Coast left wing intellectuals, doing everything they can to "make a difference", i.e. defeat Bush and elect a Dem. Read a book someday Harry, about Liberal news bias. There's several out there. The networks don't even bother to deny it any more, 'cause everyone knows it's true. REVOLUTION is a joke, unless leftists take over TV news. Ooops, nevermind. They already have................. Joseph McCarthy forever! Sean Penn NEVER!!!

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 7:30 p.m. CST

    SLEDGE450'S List...A list that isnt critically affected

    by SIR-SLEDGE450

    Every list i have read so far, is either a generic cut and paste job from any critics top 10 )That guy who had Gigli, Timeline And The other 8 in there, u actually payed good money to see them???No, u didnt!)or is a neat arsed attempt to look oh so smart.I wont lie.Lost in translation looks super sweet, i could put it in allready on just the scene i saw with the prostitute...but in the UK it aint out yet,as is A mighty wind, which if i had scene would no doubt have hit no1 with ease, as in my mind Chris guest is the pope, but the former applys.So here is my top 3. P.s, these are films that were released or i had seen for the 1st time in 2003. 1)Kill Bill vol.1 Now and again, a film will come around and reinstate your faith in cinema. In my lifetime (im only 17), American beauty and Donnie Darko are the only films that have done this.And now i have a 3rd. It was just, magnificent.The most perfect thimg about this film was how imperfect it was. The Anime bit sucked, yet i spent 35 minuites arguing with my freinds on why it sucked.On one scene.It was just so alive, and awsome, and original, i wanted to sit in that same seat until Februaury (and now April if the rumours are true). 2)Gangs of New York (I bought the Dvd on friday, and it is no where as good as i remeber.No where near.Imperfect to say the least.Poor sets.Cameron diaz was auful.So was leo.Elliot from ET?WAT DA FUCCKKKK???? Danield Day was da only good thing about it.Then i remebred.I remembred my awe as i saw the trailor for the 1st time. That long shot of the frozen New york. The fact that it was my 1st scorcesse movie, heck my 1st 18 at the pics. Being stuck on the front row, bending my neck up 4 ny on 3 hours.One of my fave film memorys.For me, this werent a film, it were an experience, and even though, i dont think it is as good as some of my other choices in the Top 10, for me it will always be a film i tresure. Now for the shock of the list..... 3)Jackass:The movie.(Go one,slag me off."ey martha, look at thsi dipshit on the 'tinternet!!"_u Name 1 film, 1 film, that had strangers hugging high fiving each other in the cinmea, and a film that had every1 talking afterwards.Exactly.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 7:52 p.m. CST

    "Dogville" and "The Passion"

    by Psalmolive

    Those are the real movies that are going to own everybody's ass (if they watch it). Dogville is visceral emotion to the ent extreme. People who enjoy dwarves and elves and believe that only they can express pure and unfiltered emotion, I would prefer if you would just not go see these movies. Live in your own world and declare the LOTR trilogy as the greatest in the world, because no one really cares. The louder you try to convince people as to the absolute rightness of your ways, the more stupid and ridiculous you look, and you alienate normal (moderate) people from actually wanting to watch the trilogy because they don't want to be associated with people with your level of absurd, unbridled fandom. It's kind of like how nobody but real cultists actually still buy Michael Jackson CDs.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Only thing that was better than Fellowship was Two Towers and Re

    by Tinuviel70

    Because all three of them are of course only one movie. Were they not shot together? They are one, the three movies and the single tale. The circle is now complete and the tale is told. THere are not three movies, you have all been duped.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 9:27 p.m. CST

    I Don't Want Anything To Stay in My Brain Like An Inoperable Tum

    by Headless Roland

    I was going to see Oldboy buy now I'm afraid.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 9:33 p.m. CST

    "Old Boy" from Korea, the mainstream of next generation of films

    by winningKOREA

    I'm glad to hear OB here. http://www.oldboy2003.co.kr/ the official site of OB Sorry about the language-problem(mostly Korean). ps. I must disagree with you,Harry, about Kill Bill...it's rubbish...

  • I'm realizing more and more that all the questions I have about the posting habits of people who visit the site are easily answered. I'ts just them mimicking the attitude the people who run this site display constantly. Whatever.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Yes, yes, "Mystic River" sucked like a $500 whore when the rent

    by Mr. High

    .....I feel your comments totally missed the point of fact that this movie was A TOTAL CINEMATIC ABORTION to begin with. You know what, I'm tired of the whole subject of child molestation. You were cornholed as a kid? Poor you, yeah it sucks, GET OVER IT AND STOP FUCKING TELLING ME ABOUT IT! I DON'T FUCKING CARE! YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT! I DON'T FUCKING CARE YOU GOT MOLESTED! KEEP IT TO YOUR FUCKING SELF! It's too bad it happened, but at the end of the day, life sucks, there's sick fucks in the world and I DON'T FUCKING CARE! FUCK ALL YOU BRAVE SURVIVORS! If you're so fucking brave why can't you pull your shit together and not be total fuck-ups for the rest of your lives? FUCK YOU TWICE! If I could, I'd put you into a repeating loop so your nasty uncle could poke you repeatedly for all eternity. You should enjoy it, since it's the only FUCKING THING YOU EVER TALK ABOUT! As far as the rest of your list, the only one I've seen is "The Revolution will Not be televised" and I gotta say, while scary, it definitely one sided as all hell and I'd like to get the whole story before I make up my mind. And to any asshole who thinks "Daredevil" was a good movie, eat shit and fucking die. You're not worth thinking up a good insult. Here's my top 10 of 2003. #1-"Kill Bill" It had everything I go to the movies for and you're spot on about the music, but then again, that holds true for all of Tarantino's flicks. #2: "Love Actually" It got me laid and made me laugh and to all you fuckers who thought it sucked, kiss my fucking dick. #3: "X-Men 2" Aside from having that bullshit "United" in the title, it was the best comic flick ever made. #4: "Freddt vs. Jason" Brainless? Sure. Stupid? Most definitely. Sholck? Of the highest caliber. Crass and Exploitive? Absolfuckinglutely. But, it was still one of the best times I've had at the flicks in recent memory. #5: "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" What the fuck is wrong with you people? You bitch and whine and moan about no one understanding how a "TCM" flick should be done and then someone comes along and makes one the best one since the original and because Michael "I'm not just a member of the A.D.D. club for men, I'm also the president" Bay is involved, all of a sudden it's a piece of shit? Well, fuck you all. Nothing is ever going to make you fuckers happy and I hope to God you're forced to choke on a million fucking Kevin Williamson flicks in the years to come. Assholes. #6: "Terminator 3" Not as good as the first, but beat the shit out of the second by a long shot. Mostly for having the kind of ending these flicks have needed forever and not copping out with some bullshit Terminator, thumbs up farewell happy, pappy shitty CRAP! This movie kicked ass. #7: Bad Boys 2: Oh yeah, cinema snobs! Kiss my fucking dirty pucker! This movie had more bang for the buck than any action flick I've ever seen. It was funny, it was sick, it was tense, it was super-fucking-violent and I loved it all the way. So fuck you and fuck everyone who hates Michael Bay, this guy is the only person in Hollywood who understands what a MAN wants to see on a fucking Saturday night. Violence, Hot bitches, Car Chases, Dead fucking heads rolling through traffic and EVERYTHING BLOWING THE FUCK UP! You don't like it? You're a fucking dead ass, 'adult' and a fucking snob. If you were a kid, this movie would've been your "Citizen Kane". #8: "Dark Blue" Kurt Russell's best flick in years and just a very tight, low tech cop flick that remembered a little thing called a story. #9: "Pirates of the Caribbean" Fucking awesome, zombie pirates, Johnny Depp permanently on the nod and HOLY FUCK DO I WANT TO FUCK KEIRA KNIGHTLY!!!! Great flick. #10: "28 Days Later" Actually jumped a few times, had a great time, but I'd like to clear something up. THIS IS NOT A FUCKING ZOMBIE FLICK!!! Zombies are dead, these people had a fucking virus and were very much at some level, still alive. How do I know this? BECAUSE THEY STARVED TO DEATH!!! Not a zombie flick, but a great contagion flick. But, the best flick of 2003 doesn't belong on a list, so I put it here. "RETURN OF THE KING" Holy fucking crap, was my ass tired after watching this, but damn what a flick! If Sean Astin doesn't get at least a nomination, then the academy deserves a fucking 747 during the awards ceremony. (You listening Osama? A lot of Americans would understand this time.) The worst of 2003? This is too fucking easy. Let me start with the movie that ripped my fucking heart out on Valentine's Day. #1 "Daredevil" A FUCKING PIECE OF DOGSHIT THROUGH AND FUCKING THROUGH! You listen to the director's commentary? A lot of the scenes were filmed in his living room AND THEY FUCKING LOOKED LIKE IT! They took one of my favorite comic book heros and turned him into pure cheese. THANK YOU VERY FUCKING MUCH! COULD THE DIRECTOR OF THIS FLICK PLEASE GO AND SEE IF HE CAN GAY UP BATMAN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE? #2: "The Matrix Reloaded" It sucked, fucking deal with it. It took the potential and greatness of the first film and dumped out what some fucking, coffee house, philosophy major, dickhead's idea of what the sequels should be. Fuck this movie. #3: "Matrix Revolutions" I was expecting a little sense to be made, but no, no, no! Not from the Bros. Shut In's. I expect more answers to be promised in "Matrix 4: WE NEED 8 FUCKING MANSIONS!" You can see me in line kicking everyone in the balls who buys a ticket. If you're a chick, you'll get punched in the tits. Fuck you stupid assholes who 'get it'. There's nothing to get. The machines won, Neo and Trinity died, Neo might not have even been real and the humans settled for a situation that would eventually have to lead to their deaths. What a fucking GREAT TIME! Let me tell you something. I don't mind if my movies ask more questions than they answer, but if you're gonna be a pretentious fuck about it, you could at least give a decent ending. There were so many 'subtle references and hidden meanings" in this flick that you'd have to be deaf, dumb and fucking blind to not get them. It was like being beaten with an Intro to Philosophy book for two and half fucking hours. So, I got it, I just hated both the flicks for how fucking stupid they were and for wasting my time on boring fight scenes, the worst dialogue since "Attack of the Clones" and a bullshit plot that pussied out at the end and at no time made any sense whatsoever. Please God reign your vengence down upon the assholes of the Wachowski Bros. and please strike and erase all copies of "Constantine" because I'm positive this is sure sign that the END TIMES are here. "The Matrix" has you! The only fucking thing the Matrix has is my thirty fucking dollars. And I'm gonna get it back by stealing something that belongs to Keanu, just watch. #4: "S.W.A.T." It should've been rated R and it should've had someone other than the spokeperson for Astroglide in the lead role. Colin Ferrell needs a good ass raping and if you'll point me in his direction, I'll happy to do it. #5: "Jeepers Creepers 2" What a pile of monkey shit. Did it take place in the past, the future, the same time, when did the Creeper become the scary Charlie Chaplin? It was like watching "Speed" except without the bomb, or anything interesting, or the bus actually moving. That's right, the whole flick happened almost entirely on a FUCKING SCHOOL BUS! And you're bitching about "TCM"? FUCK YOU! #6: "Underworld" Fucking Vampires, Fucking Werewolves! Fucking Awesome! NOOOOOOO!!!! These are Anne Rice Vampires and Werewolves which mean instead of doing anything interesting they're going to wear period clothes in modern day and whine a lot in Victorian settings. Oh, there were some gunfights, but I think the same guy who directed all of the action scenes in "The Matrix" sequels did these, because they were boring as dogshit. At the end Kate Beckinsale falls for a guy who looks like a 30 year-old SIDS victim, but that's okay because the credits roll and you can leave and go do something that doesn't leave you feeling like you've just had eight bucks ripped from your pee hole. #7: "Once Upon A Time In Mexico" A movie about El Mariachi that El Mariachi is hardly fucking in. That's original. Instead, let's make the star Johnny Depp, who's a specialist in stupid character roles, have his character talk a lot and then get the stupidest death scene of the year. (Besides, when Neo 'chose' to get killed by Smith. Good call, Ted!) Then, let's kill off Salma Hayek's character and make El Marichi the SAVIOR OF FUCKING MEXICO!!! WOO HOO, PASS THE FUCKING TEQUILA BECAUSE EATING THE WORM IS THE ONLY WAY I'M WALKING OUT OF THIS FLICK IN A GOOD MOOD!!!! #8: "The Hulk" Okay, here what we're going to do is, instead of making a kick ass flick about a guy who gets pissed off and turns into a green giant and fucks up a whole bunch of shit, we're going to make a character study of an uninteresting, fucked up family, film it in annoying, comic book style split screens and get that pretentious fuck who did "Crouching Twat, Hidden Dildo" to direct it into the ground! Sound good, okay, let's go. No, that'll keep people from falling asleep, cut that out. Hold on, hold on, ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz, What? Oh? Yeah, cut! Print it!" #9: "Tomb Raider 2" Did anyone actually want a sequel to this turd? If so, please post your address so I can come to your home and kill you and your entire stupid fucking family so that your idiot seed may be wiped from the earth forever. I can't remember what this was about, I passed out after Angelina Jolie PUNCHED A FUCKING SHARK. #10: "House of 1000 Corpses" Someone please dig through the ditches and bury Rob Zombie in them. Please, God, please just kill him before he does this shit again. Please, I'm begging you. I'll buy you a free copy of "Catcher in the Rye", just please go kill him and I'll suck your cock or your ass or whatever, I'm not lying. Just bring his head with you, and I'll suck you dry, that's how grateful I'll be. Here's to hoping 2004......awww, fuck it.

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Revolution Will Not Be Televised

    by Vern

    This is definitely an incredible movie that everyone should see. But I disagree with young Harold's claims that it shows the corruption of

  • Dec. 30, 2003, 11:51 p.m. CST

    charlize theron

    by millsg

    Has anyone on your site responded to Charlize Theron in "Monster?" Like everyone else, I was dubious when Ebert said it was one of the best performances in screen history. I saw the movie tonight...and - I hate to say this - Ebert was right. A truly remarkable, brilliant performance. Can't wait to hear what Harry says when he sees the film. It's amazing.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Hey all you touchholes...

    by KazamaSmokers

    There's only one movie of ANY year and it's "The Swimmer" with Burt Lancaster and if you haven't seen it, or you've seen it and you don't f-ing GET it, then don't even bother posting to this site.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 2:02 a.m. CST

    The Idol's Top 10

    by youridol

    2003: 1. Kill Bill 2. Zatoichi 3. Ong-Bak 4. Haute Tension 5. Save the Green Planet 6. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring 7. 9 Souls 8. PTU 9. Bright Future 10. Who Killed Bambi? Random 10 All-Time Favourites: 1. The Great Silence - Corbucci 2. West of Zanzibar - Browning 3. Flesh + Blood - Verhoeven 4. Contempt - Godard 5. Diary of a Lost Girl - Pabst 6. Manpower - Walsh 7. Bird People of China - Miike 8. Kikujiro - Kitano 9. The Whip and the Body - Bava 10. The Awful Truth - McCarey

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 2:02 a.m. CST

    The Revolution Will Not Be Televised!

    by TedSallis

    Some good picks on the list this year. RWNBT was definitely one of mine this year also. Oh, and Harry, in reagrds to your review, thanks for saying whats on a lot of our minds.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 2:37 a.m. CST

    My faves, Harry's faves...

    by lindyboy

    So here we are again, the end of a particularly strong cinematic year overall. While I'm not by nature an art house lover, my picks will be confined to domestic material: Top 4 1.LOTR:ROTK -- in my opinion, Harry is quite correct in saying that when all is said and done, LOTR will stand as a classic to be remembered by more than just geeks. That this is by all definitions a "geek site" should not hinder the praise it so rightfully deserves. The critical acclaim stands to support this position. However, I predict that as the academy "doesn't like fantasy" Jackson and Co. will be passed over once more. 2.Kill Bill: Had this film been a complete volume, it might've very well tie for my #1. I suspect Tarantino was scared off by the complaints over Jackie Brown's running time (some of them justified), but this picture was a true ride that held my attention and fuelled my sympathy for its protagonist--it's rare that something using a blatant exploitation film formula can do that. Say what you will about Tarantino's alleged derivitive style--he uses the techniques of masters well and introduces them in a fresh manner to his audience. 3.Master & Commander: At the Far Side of the World: I know this didn't make too many folks' top ten or even twenty, but for me this film had everything I wanted in an epic, both in acting and story moreso than the slightly overrated Last Samurai (which since it features juuust enough anti-American attitudes as opposed to a vindication of the "imperialist white devil" will get the Oscar nod). 4.X2: X-Men United: Yes, yes, I know. My comic book bias is showing. I can't help it. This film was everything a comic book movie should be, plus it's far superior to the first tightly pinched film. It's final frames are enough to make any X-Men fan stand up and cheer. It held up after repeat viewings, though its DVD is somewhat disappointing. Yes, I haven't seen the art house faves like Big Fish or Lost in Translation. Yes I feel like a heel. Yes my list will remain in complete until roughly January when I catch up. Promise. Oh and Harry "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" is such utter clap trap that your vitrolic indictment of the president and endorsement of the film alone makes Michael Moore look calm and Oliver Stone look sane. Stick to reviews. Not diatribes my chubby comrade.

  • my entertainment weekly's do this too

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Umm, Harry... Ping Pong is also a comic (manga) translation.

    by Swithin

    Not a big deal, but It's between Oldboy and American Splendor, so American Splendor is the third comics-format translation on your list, not the second. Don't know why I posted this, but I think Ping Pong deserves a nod toward its roots.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 4:59 a.m. CST

    While we're on the subject of ROTK bashing... I did like it... b

    by TheGinger Twit

    Why is Gandalf not the powerful Wizard he was built up to be. The first one he busts the bridge up, second one he's all glowing and frees the king from the evil Wizard... but in this one, I was really looking forward to some Wizard kicking butt with some serious wizard power. In fact, apart from his flash light to scare away the dragons, why did he have no faith in Frodo, while Aragorn is the one who says 'what does your heart tell you?' ... seriously, A man telling a great Wizard to look into his intuition, his feelings and psychic abilities - If anything, it should have been Gandalf saying such things to his fellow no hopers. Sorry. I did like it, but christ, the Ending was overblown - and I was there with someone who hadn't seen the previous films - they loved the films, but couldn't understand all the slow long cuts and repeated endings... it was very self indulgent and should have remained an extended edition thing-a-me.

  • I also agree that Sean Astin's crying in ROTK when Frodo tells him to go home is incredibly realistic and particular to that kind of moment in any life where you find yourself facing the inexplicable from someone that you've given your all too and care about deeply. I wanted to hide under the seat in that scene, because anyone who's had a family member or spouse spit in your face when you're trying to help them out of pure love knows exactly what I mean. The sadness of it is that neither party is wrong in any sense. It's all circumstance and the indifference of circumstances. It perfectly illustrates that thing Gandalf says about how we don't get to choose the times that we live in, they are given to us. That's what makes the moment so gut-wrenching, just like in real life.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 6:34 a.m. CST

    RonaldLark

    by morGoth

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 9:54 a.m. CST

    ROTK is a miracle

    by Dink Meeker

    Damnit, I am so sick of hearing all of you no-talent ass-clowns insult every great movie that comes out. Everybody's an armchair critic these days. ROTK was an damn INCREDIBLE achievement and I personally found it to be probably the most fulfilling cinematic experience I have ever had. I've noticed some of you have posted some garbage on the subject of negative audience reaction to this movie. Well, let me just say, that I have NEVER seen a better audience response to a movie than what I witnessed when I saw ROTK. I'm being completely honest...the reaction was truly astonishing. People were crying. The audience was moved...they burst into applause about 9 or 10 times throughout the film, and actually gave the movie SEVERAL STANDING OVATIONS WHILE THE FILM WAS PLAYING. I've never seen that happen before. Something magical has happened with these films in that even the typical "cooler than thou" moviegoer seems to allow himself to react openly to what is essentially a fairy story. The film wears it heart openly on it's sleeve, and thus causes us to do the same. It forces one to have an honest emotional reaction...isn't that what movies are supposed to do? No one seemed impatient. I heard none of these alleged groans at the extended ending. This film was EASILY the crowning film of the trilogy, the remarkably beautiful culmination of a labor of very deep love, and if you can't see that,or hell, FEEL that, I feel horribly sorry for you.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 10 a.m. CST

    Best films of the year

    by Rapmaster C

    Matrix Reloaded, Matrix Revolutions, Bad Boys 2, Xmen 2. Would probably say ROTK, if I had seen the movie, but I never got around to it. Finding Nemo was good, but I was expecting "Shrek funny" rather than just funny. Daredevil was great too, probably the best superhero film. Beats Spiderman in terms of action and romantic story. Hopefully Spiderman 2 will rock, now that the origin story is out of the way.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Dear Johnny Suede...

    by morGoth

    ...what the fuck are you talking about? I was just answering the guys question. As for your accusation about firewall busting/breaching, again, what are you talking about? Great, just what we need...another psychotic troller at AICN!

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 10:24 a.m. CST

    WPMayhew...

    by MisterGrimloch

    is absolutely correct. its not only blatantly premature to declare ANY film the "greatest achievement in cenema history", but also quite Immature as well. any such declaration is subjective. it does help to establish, in an ugly way, that the claims of LOTR being the "new Star Wars" might be true, in that the fan base in unable to acknowledge, and certainly unable to accept the concept that not everyone is as moved by these simple pictures as they are, without throwing a truly pathetic tantrum. the wheel has not been reinvented.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 10:28 a.m. CST

    thats "cinema", not "cenema"...

    by MisterGrimloch

    but the point is still clear.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Grimloch

    by FluffyUnbound

    If films can be good or bad, one of them BY DEFINITION will be the best. Unless this is true, there is no point to discussing whether films are good or bad. You can attempt to say, "Well, everyone knows that these things are subjective," but that is precisely what we do NOT know. Anything anywhere that was ACTUALLY purely subjective would not be worth discussing, since nothing could ever successfully be communicated. You may think it is hubristic for any one person to assume that they can successfully identify the "best", even if it is conceded that ontologically a "best" must exist. But somehow I think that isn't what you're saying. It SOUNDS like you are saying that identifying something as being "the best" is "immature" because it betrays that one is experiencing enthusiasm, and that the hallmark of maturity is to not experience enthusiasm, whatever one may think of the possibility or impossibility of successfully "ranking" or grading art of any kind. And why would that necessarily be so? That attitude is more provincial than anything a basement-dwelling LOTR lover could come up with.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 11:20 a.m. CST

    the list to end all lists

    by Goon Bighead

    heretofore is the list, in no particular order, which all must bow to: 1)Millenium Actress (2)Whale Rider (3)Kill Bill Vol I (4)X2~Xmen United (5)The Lord of the Rings~The Return of the King (6)28 Days Later (7)Bad Santa.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 11:56 a.m. CST

    yeah Fluffy....

    by MisterGrimloch

    whatever you say. so basically, i either think LOTR is "the best movie ever", or i am "wrong", correct? trust me, i am not going to debate with someone like you, because that would be like trying to tell an 8 year old that Yu-Gi-Oh is not dramatically compelling, and then breaking it down point by point. ALL viewpoints are subjective. got that? ALL of them. and no, no movie is "good or bad" by any definition, other than a subjective one. and, in my "subjective" view, LOTR failed as a trilogy, as only one of the three pictures worked well. this should not be a source of discomfort for you, or anyone who is in love with these films. unless, you are genuinely kidding YOURSELF, about how much you really enjoy them. and that was the point of a previous post i had made. everyone (well, obviously NOT everyone) is knee-jerking (or jerking off) to these films with comments like "this is the greatest achievement in cinema history". well, perhaps there are those who truly feel that way. but....i tend to doubt their honesty to themselves or, and this is where i am often perceived as being "arrogant", i also believe that if anyone proclaims such a thing so immediately upon the arrival of these films (or any film), that their knowledge and experience with films is an extremely limited one. as someone posted earlier, such things take decades to be established. but again, this "establishing" to which i refer is, in the long run, nothing more than subjective opinions. anyone can claim and/or feel whatever they want, about any film. my issue is with the seeming disregard for all films prior to 2001, when Fellowship was released. the LOTR films have been with us for a mere 2 years. to my way of thinking, its genuinely immature, and quite ignorant to declare unquestionably that these three films are unmatched in the history of cinema. clearly not everyone who enjoys LOTR is overtly gushing about it, but many do, and i honestly believe that within a few years there will be ALOT of reassessing of these films with many people waking up to the opinion that they did, indeed, overrate them.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Best Harry Line of the Year...

    by Damitol

    "An absolutely numbing experience. Imagine treading water in the worst public toilet you

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I agree with FluffyUnbound and also wonder how Mr. Grimloch know

    by Tinuviel70

    Mr.Grimloch seems to be running personal vendetta campaign against

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Big Fish

    by REDD

    Saw Big Fish yesterday, great movie. Some of you might end up adding it to your list once you've seen it. I haven't seen ROTK yet, somewhat weary of all the hype.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Lost in Translation

    by FloydGandoli

    Liked it, didn't love it. Murray was awesome. I preferred "The Station Agent" as independent character study of lonely people.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Best, etc.

    by WoodyStiffer

    TOP SIX: 1) Open Range 2) Master & Commander 3)Last Samurai 4) Whale Rider 5) Bend It Like Beckham 6)Return of the King. BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT: Underworld (What a cool premise, but very poorly realized). WORST FOUR: 1) Matrix Reloaded 2) Matrix Revolutions 3) Daredevil 4) Pirates of the Carribean. MOST OVERRATED: Finding Nemo (A film for eight year olds - didn't come close to the wit and fun of either Toy Story).

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Fuck Eli Roth - Marcus Nispel owns his ass.

    by Mr. Profit

    It took a Janet Jackson video director to make a scarier film than Eli's crapfest Cabin Fever.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 2:09 p.m. CST

    LOTR:ROTK - *worst* ending of all time?

    by Lord_Soth

    There may be no excuse for that.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 2:13 p.m. CST

    People still don't get Cabin Fever?

    by PumpyMcAss

    Personally, I thought it was hilarious. Thing was, I was the only one laughing in the entire theater. Just because a film surprises you, doesn't mean it is bad, retards. The trailers may have fucked you into thinking it was a horror movie, but it was still a solid comedy, despite the lack of horror. QUIT JUDGING IT AS SCARE FLICK ALREADY!

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 3:14 p.m. CST

    WHAT?? No FINDING NEMO???

    by 007-11

    What gives?

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Wow - I find myself agreeing with Harry about more than one thin

    by Trader Groucho

    I saw Dummy at AFM almost a year ago, and aside from a wonderful performance by Milla, Halle-smoocher Adrian Brody deserves some recognition as well. I also totally agree with him about Kill Bill and Uma, and was happy to see the geriatric press, wait, I mean the FOREIGN press, give her a nod. If it was up to me she'd be up for an Academy Award. Mystic River did have some strong individual moments from particular actors - Tom Guiry's (the boyfriend with the silent brother) moment when Chip Diller and Morpheus first question him about his girlfriend's murder; Laura Linney's moment when she has to Lady MacBeth Sean Penn into not losing it - however, on the whole, the film did not do it for me. Eastwood's best work remains Unforgiven, followed by White Hunter Black Heart. Overall, 2003 is a year with a lot of great films. It would be easy enough to fill a list with 25 best movies. There's The Girl with the Pearl Earring, Finding Nemo, X2, Pirates of the Caribbean, Master and Commander...

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Believe it or not...

    by UnChienAndalou

    ...some people who have major LOTR gripes are not of this inclination simply so they can antagaonize a mainstream phenomenon. I'm afraid that some hard-core fans truly believe that EVERYONE who has expressed even the most minor complaint about their beloved francise is in on this so-called counterculture conspiracy...

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Grimloch proves once again that he doesn't understand the words

    by FluffyUnbound

    Where did I claim that Lord of the Rings actually WAS the greatest film of all time? I took issue with your statement that making the claim that a film was the "best" ever was "immature". I objected to your statement for specific reasons. You yourself are now claiming to be angry because you feel that supporters of the LOTR series are somehow slighting films made before 2001. This contradicts your previous claim, for the following reasons: If there is nothing at all to discuss about films in terms of ranking or grading them but "subjective opinions", then it shouldn't matter to you if people discount films made before 2001. No claim made by any person with regard to the merit of any film whatsoever has any meaning. Sentences talking about the merit of films are purposeless sounds. Therefore, it would make no sense for you to get upset about it. On the other hand, you cannot make any POSITIVE claim about any film made before 2001, either. They all have an equal amount of non-value, and are tied at ZERO on the scale of film merit, since by your previous statement any claim about the quality of a film is a meaningless and utterly subjective statement. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. EITHER IT IS POSSIBLE TO MAKE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE MERITS OF FILM, OR IT IS NOT. You didn't merely say that people claiming that LOTR was the best ever were wrong. You said that even thinking to make the statement was immature. You have said on a couple of different occasions that all opinions about films are subjective, and that using comparative terms like "better" or "best" is immature. That means you don't get to talk about the merits of film anymore, including making statements about films made before 2001. That means that, in Grimloch world, if I film a three hour spectacular WHILE LEAVING THE LENS CAP ON THE CAMERA, it would be utterly subjective and meaningless for anyone to claim that my work had less merit than, say, Citizen Kane. // You may have picked up the impression, from currents in the culture as a whole, that it's perfectly OK to make statements about the perfect subjectivity of value out of one side of your mouth, while making strong statements about your own thoughts out of the other side. Well, it's not. If there are no real criteria to judge these matters on, and if everyone's opinion is equal, and if there is no such thing as "better" or "best", then there is no point to any post you have ever made, there is no point to this site, and there is no point to even WATCHING films, because they're all equally good, and equal to the absence of films, otherwise known as a blank screen or a TV with the power cable unplugged. So please, spare us the superior attitude as you stare down your nose at people who commit the unforgiveable sin of actually liking something and finding it to be better than something else. I know you think that blatant self-contradiction makes you sophisticated, but it doesn't. // By the way, moviemack, "hubris" is a noun, and "hubristic" is an adjective. In the context of my sentence either word would be correct. No wonder people say you are a shit stain.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Tinuviel....

    by MisterGrimloch

    i am neither threatened by LOTR fans (obviously i was generalizing) nor interested in bashing them. i was posting in the most general of terms, when i spoke of "LOTR fans", in general, and did make that clear in other posts. sorry if you and your preschoolers were not made aware of this.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Fluffy....

    by MisterGrimloch

    i really wanted to just post quickly, as i did not have time to finish reading your overly long post about how my dislike of ROTK is "wrong". we could debate this all night, but i never said i was "angry", so stop deliberately trying to instigate an argument. i am not interested. the bottom line really is this. you loved ROTK, and the LOTR films in general, and i did not (with the exception being FOTR, which i truly did enjoy immensely). that is that. i will not change your mind (and nor have i tried to), and you will not change mine (and i am guessing you haven't tried to either). that being said, good night, and have a happy new year.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Orion's Angel....

    by MisterGrimloch

    i am glad we can disagree with civility at this point. i must say, however, that i disagree that LOTR is "one film". it may have been filmed continually for almost 2 years, but it was scripted separately, and to my viewpoint, plays as 3 very different pictures. have a happy....whatever.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 5:20 p.m. CST

    An interesting quote from Christopher Lee

    by Quintus_Arrius

    EMPIRE ONLINE: Do you think that the Academy will recognise Lord of the Rings this time? CL: They'll give it to the trilogy, to the Lord Of The Rings, and to Peter Jackson as director. I remember when I was working for George Lucas not all that long ago, and George said to me "I couldn't have done that." http://www.empireonline.co.uk/features/interviews/thelordoftherings/3.asp

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Can't we all just get along?

    by knex246

    To all LOTR lovers and haters why does it matter if some people feel that these films are the greatest of all time. In the end it comes down to your own personal preference so why do the people who don't feel this way come onto these message boards and feel the need to bash the films and its fans. Listen I can respect people who dislike these films and to be far I feel we can't judge the greatness of these films at least until the ROTK EE comes out but for the haters of these films to come on and start bashing the fans of this series all I can say to them is get a grip, why should it matter to you if someone loves these films. The same goes for those who love these films why should it matter to you if someone hates these films. In the end it is just someone else's opinion.

  • Dec. 31, 2003, 6:55 p.m. CST

    MisterGrimloch

    by Dr. Death

    Your posts are getting way too old now. You said the same thing about ROTK on 4 other threads as well. Do you have any other comments about film? Anything besides saying over and over how you think no one will care about LOTR in two years?! WE GET IT!!! Who the hell cares if ROTK is overrated. Either way, Peter Jackson still gets the last laugh b/c idiots like you who hate LOTR still paid money to see it in the theater.

  • Jan. 1, 2004, 1:16 a.m. CST

    THE ULTIMATE TOP TEN...

    by FerrellFan911

    for those who care... 1)The Return of the King, 2)Cold Mountain, 3)Finding Nemo, 4)Mystic River, 5)The Last Samurai, 6)The Matrix Revolutions(oh yes), 7)X2:X-Men United, 8)Master and Commander, 9)Bend It Like Beckham, 10)28 Days Later

  • Poor babies. Really, my little, shriveled and lifeless heart DOES NOT FUCKING BLEED FOR YOU!!! WHINE ON, YOU CRAZY, FIXATED MAGGOTS!!! So something bad happened to you, so what? Something bad happens to everyone, my childhood was a fucking nightmare. FUCK YOU!!!! I don't care, I don't care, I don't care. Who gives a damn about your problems? Not me, that's for goddamn sure. So go fuck yourselves with something wide and sharp. You give a crap about my problems? Didn't fucking think so. Keep it between you, your fucking shrink and your crazy ass mommys, daddys, uncles, brothers, cousins and friends of the family. Hey, you know your stories are a little stale. Maybe you should have children of your own, then fuck up their lives to take revenge on your own parents! That's what my folks did. In closing, fuck you all, please feel free to die, no one cares about you, no one cares you were 'victimized' and only JUST NOW remembered the shit, so please suffle free your mortal coil before you waste all of your cash on shrinks and become a burden to your family when they have to pay for your lonely funeral. FUCK YOU!!!! Happy Holidays.

  • Jan. 1, 2004, 8:11 a.m. CST

    An interesting quote from Christopher Lee

    by Quintus_Arrius

    EMPIRE ONLINE: Do you think that the Academy will recognise Lord of the Rings this time? CL: They'll give it to the trilogy, to the Lord Of The Rings, and to Peter Jackson as director. I remember when I was working for George Lucas not all that long ago, and George said to me "I couldn't have done that." http://www.empireonline.co.uk/features/interviews/thelordoftherings/3.asp

  • Jan. 1, 2004, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill Might Have Been Best Film Of The Year?!?!?!

    by Mr.Toast

    Harry, You're smoking crack out of your ass backward. Complete or not, Q.T.'s film, which is nothing less than him telling the world how so completely in love with Uma Thurman he is, isn't close to being anything like the best or one of the best films of the years. Can't stand it and would only see part two if it was a free rental or at the dollar show.

  • Jan. 1, 2004, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Just some movies I've seen in 2003

    by Thing-Fish

    Here are, in no particular order, a few very good movies I've seen in 2003. Willard. Winged Migration. Gangs of New York. Secretary. Terminator 3. Lord of the Rings. The Hours. Pirates of the Caribbean. Finding Nemo. X-Men 2. Bend it Like Beckham. Dog Soldiers. Bowling for Columbine. The Pianist. Some of these might be 2002, but who cares. The Matrix Revolutions deserves a special mention, and might have been on there if the third one wasn't so godawful (and I DO understand the Matrix; I get the free will vs determinsism theme, I get the Godel references, I get the mixture between eastern and western religion themes, including the "savior" theme that they kept hitting you on the head with ("hey, we're morphing or 'savior' into a crucifix!!!! Get the reference?? Get it???"), I get the mythology references; but smart referencing does not good moviemaking make). There are many other movies I haven't seen yet. Finally, just because that's the way SOME people write, I'd like to WRITE SOME WORDS IN CAPITALS just to cause general annoyance.

  • Jan. 1, 2004, 8:57 p.m. CST

    the Grinch's top 10 actor's flaws of 2003

    by feedmeseymour

    here they are dorks. in no particular order: 1. Liv Tyler's blubbering lip - cry me a river daddy's girl. - ROTK 2. Russell Crowe's huge, huge ass. G'day weight! - M&C 3. Uma Thurman's nasty feet - why would anyone give Marcellus Wallis' wife a foot massage? - Kill Bill Vol. 1 4. Scarlett Johannsen's surprisingly abundant cellulite -no cottage cheese for me thanks. - Lost in Translation 5. Meg Ryan's sad little boobies. When harry met saggy? - In the Cut 6. Ewan McGregor's teeth. I know you're british but jeez man! - Down with Love 7. Kiera Knightly's pathetically starved body. Supersize that lettuce leaf darling. - Pirates of the Carribean 8. Ellen Degeneres' whining voice. happy to gut that fish. - Finding Nemo 9. Hugh Grant's stupid hair. What are you, like 12? - Love Actually 10. Julia Roberts. All of her. I hate her so damn much. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

  • Jan. 1, 2004, 9:16 p.m. CST

    My Top Ten

    by Johnny Smith

    1 - 28 days later... 2 - X2. 3 - masked and anonymous (shut up, Harry. You're wrong with this one, accept it.) 4 - Kill Bill Vol. 1. 5 - Capturing the Friedmans. 6 - Big Fish. 7 - The Matrix Revolutions. 8 - American Splendor. 9 - Dirty Pretty Things. 10 - Hulk. Best Moment in Film, 2003: Nightcrawler's attack on the White House in X2. Runner-up - Any moment in Big Fish; also when *SPOILERS FOR KILL BILL* The Bride kills O-Ren. Classic. Most Underrated Moment: Captain Mifune's final stand in The Matrix Revolutions. Worst Films of the Year: Pirates of the Carribean & Anger Management. Most Overrated Film of the Year, not Counting the Previous Two: The Triplets of Belleville. Most Underrated Films of the Year: The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Northfork & masked and anonymous. Best Performances: Steve Buscemi & Danny DeVito in Big Fish; John Goodman in masked and anonymous; Uma Thurman & Lucy Liu in Kill Bill Vol. 1; Ralph Fiennes in Spider; Ian McKellen in anything. Best Piece of Pure Cinematic Nostalgia: 28 days later... Best Lack of Christopher Lee and Brad Dourif: The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. Most Welcome Surprise: 28 days later... Most Welcome Surprise (Sequel) - Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. The "Hey, Where's Clancy Brown and That Midget From 'Twin Peaks'" Award: Nick Stahl in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. The "Holy Crap, I Just Peed Myself" Award: X2.

  • Jan. 1, 2004, 9:17 p.m. CST

    And another thing...

    by Johnny Smith

    Best Film Seen Only at a Film Festival (TriBeCa Version): An Angel for May. That is all.

  • Jan. 1, 2004, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Things that I hate

    by brassmonkey48

    1. People who make up retarded names for the movies that they think they hate...ie, Still Bill, Bored of the Rings. Seriously, shut up, that isn't funny or cool, it's stupid. 2. People who openly bash a movie, call it the worst movie ever made, then admit that they HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM. ie, MarkD. 3. I think that's it...i thought i had more, but i guess not.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 12:31 a.m. CST

    LotR being "one film"

    by Ribbons

    Each film was scripted separately, and had a different editor. So if it's "one film," then it's one hell of a schizophrenic one.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Don

    by danmonse

    I am from Venezuela, the country in which TRWNBT was made. I know there

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Umm...McLuvin...

    by Ribbons

    If you see the title of a movie with a number one to the left of it, scroll down to the bottom of the page and work your way up. Not to sound condescending, but don't grouse at Harry over something that's not really a problem in the first place.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 1:57 a.m. CST

    "Every scene is art in motion..."

    by Ribbons

    So when the Witch King said "I will break [Gandalf]" and then completely ignored him, that was for art's sake? How about when Pippin and Aragorn wrestled with a ball and Jackson resorted to slo-mo shots and close-ups so you couldn't tell how goofy it looked (the self-conscious direction in that scene drew attention to itself)? Or how Faramir watched his father burn to death, a traumatic incident the movie completely failed to address (in the next scene he was snuggling with Eowyn). This, by the way, is an argument many 'Fellowship of the Ring' fans used to "prove" that 'A Beautiful Mind' wasn't "truly" art (his infant son was almost drowned and reappeared later as a schoolboy; the hows and whys of that horrifying incident, or anything that may have followed afterward, was never explored further). Or Arwen dying or something because the spirits of the elves left her or something and were replaced by the idea of Sauron's evilness made ethereal or something ("it's an allegory"....yeah, one that didn't work. To reward it for being symbolic without being well thought-out or sensical is what you Rings fans call pretentious or... "DON'T give it to 'Mullholland Drive!'")? Even within battles: how about the deus ex machina of the Army of the Dead and the eagles? How about the false tension of Aragorn almost getting stomped on by a mountain troll when Frodo drops the ring in the fire? It's one thing to say you don't mind those things, to say that 'The Lord of the Rings' is your favorite series or movie of all time and that it ruled, or that you think it's good outweighs its bad like no other movie that's come before, you're certainly entitled to say that, although the latter teeters dangerously on deciding what's important according to what's popular, but fine. Please, however, don't tell us that every scene is "a work of art" and that anyone who doesn't think so simply "doesn't get it" or is a "pathetic hater." I don't want to hate this movie (and I don't anyway). I'm sure there are plenty of people who want to hate me because they don't understand where this comes from, but the feeling towards you or this series is not mutual. My only fear is that these movies are becoming recognized as "flawless" rather than "superlative" because of the general feeling of goodwill surrounding them, and so every statement about its "art" is spoken as fact. I guess I'm not really doing a good job of getting at what I'm trying to here, but the opinions of those who don't feel the same way about it as some of you (Orion's Angel, for example) are being undermined and most likely underestimated simply because they don't love it like you do. It is a good marriage of art and commerce, but there were plenty of things wrong with it. I'm cool with it; no movie's perfect, some will say, and that's probably true, and it's a miracle that a movie like this is even coherent, let alone good, to which I say, "exactly." Not every scene of this movie has, buried within it, the secrets of the universe. Some simply progress the story quickly enough. Some are obscured for credibility's sake. Some are there just so that certain characters get enough screen time (okay, that's oversimplifying it a bit, but not much). Some of them: false deaths and false Arwen decisions, for example, are simply there to build tension and coax the audience into investing more attention in certain scenes, looking for a clue or an explanation as to what led up to these scenes (scenes which are later negated by an "oh, I didn't really die" or "Oh, I didn't really decide to leave"). And some of them would work better if certain scenes weren't left on the cutting room floor, a poor excuse for flaws in something you have to pay for. These scenes share screen time with the poignant scenes and with the (earned) emotional scenes, and it's up to the individual to decide how much they should be okay with that.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Yo-Yo Man

    by Ribbons

    I doubt you need me to tell you this, but don't listen to all the bottom feeders. If you hadn't put your opinions forth they'd have nothing to do except play with their dicks. I thought it was well-written. For what it's worth, I think 'Identity' was one of the more underrated movies of the year.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Although

    by Ribbons

    To be fair, I don't understand all the animosity towards George Lucas that some of you Ringers possess. The man let WETA into ILM facilities and, according to someone on another board, admitted that, given the reins of LotR, he would have made a significantly worse series of movies. Whatever.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Too many endings?

    by Ribbons

    What the hell kind of an argument is that? 'Return of the King' sucked because it had too many endings? It's all part of the same story. I heard some guy today complaining that it sucked because they didn't have to show all four hobbits' reaction to Frodo leaving the Shire.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 3:43 a.m. CST

    JD

    by Ribbons

    You and Ancient Satyr should get together and try to explain the other's motives back to them. It would be the comedy of 2004.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Sorry

    by Ribbons

    It just goes to show you, no one can see beyond a choice they don't understand. Sorry for that joke, as well.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Actually, just ignore everything I've said

    by Ribbons

    What the fuck is my problem tonight? I'm not making any sense, just ignore all my shit. Ain't posting on this board again.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Here is the real deal....

    by Freakesh

    First of all... I would like to comment on how messed up the message boards are. Maybe its just my web-viewer, but damnit I'm annoyed. Secondly, I would like to point out that the majority of top-ten lists here seem to fall into two categories: Top-ten lists for Young Attention Deficit Disordered Males, and then the Top-ten lists for everyone else. Sure there are commonalities between the two. (ROTK to be sure) Yet for the latter there is less emphasis on "Badass-ness" and "Fucking cool shit", and more emphasis on scope, plot, cinematography, and editing. Sometimes ADD kids will generally bandwagon against films they consider 'slow' perhaps because they don't understand them. Great movies like Lost in Trans, and Mystic, are therefore understandably undecipherable to the former crowd.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Cold Mountain better than LOTR

    by BigJoe74145

    I agree with Harry's list, but I would have put Cold Mountain above LOTR Return of the King. I'm sorry, but the intense human drama, amazing dialogue, great story, and unique look at the civil war was far better than CGI trolls, big battles, and green ghosts. Maybe I am a more mature movie goer than I was in the past. There probably was one point where I would have said armies of orcs and big special effects battles is as cool as a movie could ever get. But to me, that's all the Return of the King was. A big special effects fest. Did I love it? You bet. Just like I liked the Matrix. The books, while not the literary masterpiece that Tolkien fanatics would like them to be, have always been favorites of mine. So naturally I loved the movies. But Cold Mountain was much more meaningful, much more dramatic, and much more amazing on a much deeper level than any of the LOTR films could ever hope to be.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Ribbons...

    by morGoth

    ...I think what people mean is that it's one story = one film. I'm sure you know that the LoTR books, broken into three, were released that way for commercial purposes. I can bring forth many quotes from Tolkien himself where he talks of it as one story. That's how I've always viwed it...one story. So, I look at these "movies" the same way...its one movie that had to be broken up and released as three sections for commercial purposes. Of course they are three movies, silly dood, everyone knows that but it is, and will always be, one story, yes? I'm curious about something, however: Have you ever posted something about LoTR that wasn't a reaction to anothers post? Have you ever posted where you only talked about what you liked and what you thought worked in the LoTR? Just curious...

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 11:27 a.m. CST

    SECRETARY

    by disappear here

    SECRETARY SECRETARY SECRETARY SECRETARY SECRETARY SECRETARY

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 11:47 a.m. CST

    So if Cabin Fever isn't a horror film, why did Eli Roth tell me

    by Mr. Profit

    Shit give me 1.5 mil and I'll make a horror movie too. I'll just add off color jokes and boobs and make dough with the 12 year olds that eat the shit up. Just because I dislike a movie doesn't make my opinion of it invalid. And I did not fall for the marketing hype of it being a horror film because I saw Cabin Fever in June. Before I heard anything about it.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 3:41 p.m. CST

    the revolution will not be televised

    by darth woop

    i don't know a single venezuelan that was happy to see chvez stay in power. he's dangerous. to bad the "documentary" didn't discuss the time chavez himeslf led a failed coup attempt for which he went to jail and which a bunch of innocent people got killed. or how he gives money to communist guerrilas in Colombia who do such nice things as lock up a bunch of people in a church and kill them all. if you listen to bruce springsteen

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Great list, Harry.

    by The_Thin_Man

    Right, first off, have some respect. I'm on the anti-LOTR side myself but there's no need to "flame" Harry just because you don't happen to agree with him and you've got nice pseudonyms to hide behind, you cowards! Personally I think they're a bit over-rated and could have made one superb film if the makers hadn't gone for the cynical old trick of splitting-one-three-hour-movie-into-three-one-hour-sections-and-playing-them-all-in-slow-motion. I mean, how many times has THAT happened in Hollywood recently?...................................................................... On the other hand, I'm very much pro Kill-Bill. It's a matter of opinion. And, talking of opinion, how "good" a film is CAN be measured objectively in technical terms, but, at the end, there's no saying how much people will actually like it. Subjectivity between audience and filmmaker works both ways. I happen to think that Kill Bill was a far better film than LOTR in terms of technical achievement - the pacing of KB is far better, although LOTR had the better soundtrack - but I don't grudge those who watched LOTR films and enjoyed them. Hell, that's half of the reason why films are here, aren't they? ........................................... What I AM a bit angry about, tho', is that those are the ONLY two of the films on Harry's list which came anywhere NEAR my home town in South Wales - not exactly San Francisco, but hardly the Arizona desert either! I WOULD HAVE PAID GOOD MONEY TO SEE "CAPTURING THE FRIEDMANNS"! Damn, why don't some of these distributors take notes?...................................................................PS: I'm really on Harry's side today because I was watching "The Faculty" on DVD and spotted his cameo appearance. Like Macy Grey in "Spiderman", he only has one line, but that one line is utter perfection. Nice one!

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 6:40 p.m. CST

    PING PONG

    by beef_curtains

    I suspect that you all know this already, but PING PONG was a comic book adaption as well.

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 6:47 p.m. CST

    TOP 3 MOVIES

    by rush85

    3. 2 FAST 2 FURIOUS 2. HOUSE OF THE DEAD 1. BACK TO THE FUTURE PART III

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 9:48 p.m. CST

    DAMMIT! NO ONE ANSWERED MY QUESTION: WHAT IS TEENAGE MOTHER???

    by johnnyhotboy

    Am i the only one intrigued by this on Harry's post? Tried looking it up on the web and nothing, just as I tried asking you guys if you knew anything. Same shit. I guess I should've gone to BNAT 5 like a good little nerd, huh?

  • Jan. 2, 2004, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Lord Jim

    by mr. smith

    harry, I'm shocked you've never seen it until this year. great, great movie. O'Toole and Mason! well, you've corrected your mistake. just like I had never seen Unforgiven until this year. I am so ashamed...

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Maybe I just fon't "get it"

    by mersault

    As far as I can tell, charliechaplin's opinion is the closest to ration I can find on this Talkback. I'd have to say that the American film industry has become undeniably unimportant. Genre and formula are all there is these days, even in independant film. It seems that the only mainstrean American filmmaker making movies for movies' sake and contributing to our cinema culture is David Lynch.

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 5:41 a.m. CST

    what's with these lists...

    by Methestel

    what... are you chanelling long lost British authors or something (reading this page, I'm thinking "reality bites") (oh, you're damn right that was a pun). Why bother listing - first, no one gives a toss whether you liked (insert movie title here) or not, and second... don't you have anything better to do? Nope. Neither do I. Ah fuck it. I'd do a list but I can't for the life of me remember what movie came out when... so I'll leave it to you yank boffins.

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 5:42 a.m. CST

    what's with these lists...

    by Methestel

    what... are you chanelling long lost British authors or something (reading this page, I'm thinking "reality bites") (oh, you're damn right that was a pun). Why bother listing - first, no one gives a toss whether you liked (insert movie title here) or not, and second... don't you have anything better to do? Nope. Neither do I. Ah fuck it. I'd do a list but I can't for the life of me remember what movie came out when... so I'll leave it to you yank boffins.

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 5:42 a.m. CST

    what's with these lists...

    by Methestel

    what... are you chanelling long lost British authors or something (reading this page, I'm thinking "reality bites") (oh, you're damn right that was a pun). Why bother listing - first, no one gives a toss whether you liked (insert movie title here) or not, and second... don't you have anything better to do? Nope. Neither do I. Ah fuck it. I'd do a list but I can't for the life of me remember what movie came out when... so I'll leave it to you yank boffins.

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 5:43 a.m. CST

    test

    by Methestel

    testy McTest

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Mr. High...

    by IFartOnYourGrave

    Please please please don't reproduce, ok?

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 1:14 p.m. CST

    For anyone still wondering about TEENAGE MOTHER

    by Haggard

    Just read the review of the content http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0061071/ I'm not sorry I missed it.

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Re: The Village

    by Chok Son Dik

    They're not "Monsters" lurking in the woods, they're CONSTUCTION EQUIPMENT! And CONSTRUCTION WORKERS! It's not set in our pilgrim past, but in our easily predictable present! Way to be, M.. And those red stripes on the doors are marks for which buildings the crews need to knock down. This cinematic twist turned up to 11. Can you hear it, now? And thus, all you retards with catchphrases can go cheet and have a beer w/werewolves and dead raped deer. "What total knob-ends, brother!" Happy New Year! sk...ERRR...csd

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 1:44 p.m. CST

    best 5 for me...

    by no-no

    interstella 5555 Dogville Elephant lost in translation X2

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 1:46 p.m. CST

    best 5 for me...

    by no-no

    interstella 5555 Dogville Elephant lost in translation X2

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 1:49 p.m. CST

    senators?

    by Methestel

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 1:49 p.m. CST

    senators?

    by Methestel

    you mean the hockey team?

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Hey Talk-Backers, try this Top 10...

    by JackBauer@CTU

  • Jan. 3, 2004, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Hey Talk-Backers, try this Top 10...

    by JackBauer@CTU

    10)Move 9)Out 8)Of 7)Your 6)Parents' 5)House 4)And 3)Maybe 2)Get 1)Laid

  • Jan. 4, 2004, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Mr. High...that initial rant was damn funny!

    by Shepdog

    I was a childhood victim of molestation, and I found your rant damn funny. Couldn't agree with you more...bad experiences happen to everybody, warranted or not, some certainly worse than others. However, it is our individual responsibility to overcome them and move on and remain productive in our lives, not perpetuate the experiences on others and not make those around us miserable with constant tales of woe and self pity. Great Best of List, too. Damn funny.

  • Jan. 4, 2004, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Mr. High

    by Mafu

    It's obvious to me that you enjoy swearing like a sailor, but your condescending, lowbrow antagonism toward... well, anything and everyone, really... makes me laugh. Also, learn how to write convincingly before you start skewering people who might disagree with you or movies you don't like. For example, the whole WRITING IN CAPITAL LETTERS thing needs to go. A lot of people do it, I realize, but it isn't necessary. Also, fuck you for denouncing people who were molested when they were kids. I know the point you were making is that they need to shut up about it already, and I can agree with that sentiment to a point. Yes, everyone deals with certain harrowing experiences in their lives, and yes, some people talk about it more than they should. But you're like the Boston Archdiocese when priest-molestation victims started coming forward by the hundreds. What would you tell them? Shut up, already. I don't care? You'd make a perfect Catholic priest, Mr. High.

  • Jan. 4, 2004, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Recent movies I enjoyed

    by HardcoreRocker

    In America, House of Sand and Fog, Cold Mountain...Return of the King trumps them all though, with Peter Pan right behind. I can't make my list until I see Big Fish, The Last Samurai, and 21 Grams, all of which I can't wait for. I think this has been a damn good year for movies for the most part. Reviews of the movies I've seen at www.rockithardcore.com.

  • Jan. 4, 2004, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Too Many Endings?

    by Shigeru

    Yer retarded. End with the Eagles sweeping them off??? What do you think was all of the character's motivation for fighting those huge epic battles? WHY DO YOU THINK THEY WERE FIGHTING AND STRUGGLING AND DYING? Just for the hell of it? Stay in the theater past the Eagles and find out what the motivation fuckin was. As Aragorn said "For Frodo"...he charges, and then may I point out that the next two to charge, in face of sure death, are Merry and Pippin. Think about it.

  • Jan. 5, 2004, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Mayhew, first it's CRITICS who are so excited about RotK. And t

    by minderbinder

    People liked it and saw it multiple times but most recognized it for a fun movie, not a great one. You can't even compare Titanic with the LotR movies.

  • Jan. 5, 2004, 9:12 a.m. CST

    " to my way of thinking, its genuinely immature, and quite ignor

    by minderbinder

  • Jan. 5, 2004, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Eli Roth

    by ELGordo

    Has to be first place on the list "Cool directors that I met this year in Iceland", in fact he's the only cool director I met this year (I almost met Sofia Coppola here as well but no dice). He even signed my Fangoria, with blood (well not really but he made it look like it).

  • Jan. 5, 2004, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Movies of the year

    by Moviegeek78

    1.Return of the King 2.School of Rock 3.Finding Nemo 4.Matchstick Men 5.Pirates of the Carribean 6.X2 7.Big Fish 8.Bruce Almighty 9.Matrix Revolutions 10.Dreamcatcher (funniest movie i've seen this year. oh wait it's horror. hmm.) Also worst movie where good actors go bad? Breakfast of Champions with Bruce Willis and Albert Finney.

  • Jan. 5, 2004, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Where are Freddy vs. Jason & Terminator 3?

    by Sith Witch

    They are more on the "fun" side, but that counts for rewatchability, right?

  • Jan. 5, 2004, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Walrus

    by mortsleam

    First a small caveat: As I spent a good deal of 2003 laid up with a broken leg and then with 2nd degree burns about the face, I didn

  • Jan. 5, 2004, 4:47 p.m. CST

    CloneSaga's Top 10 of 2003

    by CloneSaga4Life

    1. Kill Bill Vol. 1 2. The Matrix Revolutions 3. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 4. Bubba Ho-Tep 5. Seabiscuit 6. X2: X-Men United 7. Underworld 8. Freddy Vs. Jason 9. Luther 10. Beyond Re-Animator

  • Jan. 6, 2004, 2:03 a.m. CST

    How can Kill Bill be #10?

    by Jon E Cin

    Yeah I am pissed off...and thats really lame but cmon!!!!!!!!!!! It should have been in your top 3 for sure!

  • Jan. 7, 2004, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Where is Bubba Ho Tep?

    by Almecius

    Everyone seems to have left it out of their favorites lists and honorable mentions from 2003. I don't think it was THAT easy to brush aside.

  • Jan. 22, 2004, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Geeks...and proud of it, biatches!

    by moviebuff14

    If you fuckers actually think that calling some of us FANBOYS as nerds, dorks, faggots, or any of that shit is gonna make us stop typing, well then your sadly fucking mistaken! I loved LOTR AND ROTK, and ya know what? I been watching films for over 16 years now, and these films are one of the best pictures ever made. I know that, cuz I have seen a lot of shit in my day. Mystic River was very overrated, (thanks Harry for reminding me about that,) and the only truly great acting in that was from Tim Robbins, Marcia Gay Harden, and the boy whose girlfriend got killed. Why is there no discussion about him? And kudos for talking about Kill Bill...that, besides the LOTR series, is one of the most fun times I have had in the theater in my life. I was smiling the whole damn time!

  • May 16, 2007, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Indeed, I am last!

    by Quintus_Arrius

    !

  • June 4, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    morGoth

    by ScorchedTBurntLembas

    you're just a tolkien slut so STFU. No one cares what you think. LAST Motherfuckers

  • Orcus mailed the 5 buck to your mum. Tell her to buy a rag with it to clean herself off

  • June 14, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    WOW whaledick how lame can you be

    by ScorchedTBurntLembas

    You really should save that 5 bucks you earned giving rimjobs to morGoth to buy new I-fucked-your-mother insults. <p>try again, looser.