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Lotsa spilt milk over CATWOMAN.... WB trying to clean it up...

Hey folks, Harry here... Well, I've been hearing a lot of bad rumors coming out from around the CATWOMAN project over at Warner Brothers quite a bit. To me, the only curiousity I have for this film is to see what Pitof has done with it, cuz I really love the feel of VIDOCQ, but at the same time... this should be a completely different stylistic universe from that. Rumors like this often come up with movies with Foriegn directors working with their non-native crews. Many locals in Austin hated working with Marcus Nispel and trouble was always lurking about that set from their mouths. The same was true of Jean Jeunet's ALIEN RESURRECTION set, of course that film did end up not working, but I remember the word from the set of ROBOCOP when Verhoeven was shooting and the crew that I talked with said it was literally going to be the worst movie ever made. THAT BEING SAID, that first costume did suck the growing testicle hairs from a corpse... and this having no relation with the established character... well that blows all sorts of chunks. Here's the alleged behind the scenes on the project at the moment, let's see where this all goes...

Got some pretty scary news regarding the surprisingly "troubled" Catwoman project,I say surprisingly because everyone involved seemed to think that this was the correct direction for the project to go, That was until they realized it sucks. It seems from what I'm hearing even long term producer Denise De Novi is having second thoughts on everything from the script to director. Evidently the bad blood started about 4 weeks ago in Vancouver, Arguments were being made over the reaction the film has gotten so far from the Internet and other bad press, the initial Catwoman costume picture had a lot to do with this. The critical lambasting worried Warner a lot, So much they started to fear that this film could hurt the upcoming Batman film if it had bad word of mouth at this early in the game (Before people had even seen it) Will people still flock to the theaters to see Batman if Catwoman bitters their taste?

After all Batman Returns isn't that old of a film, People still know that they are supposed to be connected (No matter what this new film says ). Quick changes were ORDERED (not asked) to the script and costume to try and fix or change the film to resemble something more in line with the what people may expect.  Slowly and quietly the new (Simpler and more biker chickish) costume was reveled through internet "Leaked" photos and Patience Price suddenly became Patience Philips. Rumor has it that this Catwoman will also find out that Selina Kyle is her mother, Who has died. ( A reference to a much earlier draft of the script. ) The reason for these changes? From what I gather it boils down to a few things, Bad press from the netfans, Yes Believe it or not the WB has started to care about what Internet fans think. Hence Christian Bale getting cast, trust me, Batfans had a        Lot to do with that.

The horrible reaction to the first PIC of Hallie Berry as Catwoman. And in fact Berry's own comments on a late night talk show mentioning something about "9 Catwomen all together since the comic first started until now, Including all the actors who portrayed her. UGH"

PITOF IS P.O.'D

That's what I'm hearing, PITOF was forced by WB and De Novi to make the changes to the film. He wanted this film to not resemble the comics at all, He was going for his artistic merit I guess. Pitof gave in, But not after things got very heated between him, De Novi and a Studio Exc.

The next blow to this film came in the form of dailies. Some of the footage from Vancouver didn't seem to impress some of the suits, to be fair some thought it was good. Some are saying the boss' were just giving Pitof a hard time because of his attitude about the ordered changes.

Nothing is very clear.

What stands now is a strange situation and Pifof may have the troubled Exorcist prequel  to thank for him keeping his job. At least fo! r the time being.  Just a quick recap of that project, The Exorcist: The Beginning has been in the works for a few years, John Frankenhimer was supposed to direct but stepped out shortly before his death. Shortly after Paul Schrade was hired to direct and changed the cast and script around and delivered the film to WB, For some reason they hated it. Rumors about Schrade making it completely his film and not what the studio wanted.

Now, The film has been taken away from Schrade and Director Renny Harlin has been hired to film new scenes to "enhance' the film. This has proven a costly and negative look on a film that is in some people's opinion unesscerary.  Now can you see the simerlarties to the Catwoman project? Why the sudden flow of information from WB?

Notice the massive amounts of photos on the net (Showing just how great the production is going, How cool does the new suit look) They are trying to keep what happened to the Exorcist from happening to Catwoman. The pre-release bad word of mouth on the Exorcist has already started, they are hoping for the best for Catwoman. The reason why PITOF hasn't been fired is because they don't want to be known as the Troubled project studio who takes away every concept film from artistic directors.

Basically the way things look are as such, Since Principle photography is near completion WB has decided to let PITOF Finnish Catwoman without any further changes. Now after that PITOF is supposed to have a visual presentation featuring early edited footage for Wb, They will then make their decision on whether they care for his "Vision" or not. I've also been hearing that WB has hired some writers to start working on a plan to make the script feel more like the comic-book version of Catwoman by adding new/alterante scenes if needed by a new director if the WB decides to go the Exorcist route. Haven't heard any names for a possible replacement, because it's far to early to see if that is ev! en needed but these rewrites will certainly help the film if PITOF is axed,

Also been hearing that Berry has been contacted about leaving a few weeks in the spring open for reshoots if needed. This film may be pushed back for a year if PITOF doesn't impress the suits. The WB is worried about this project because 1. It's their first comic book film since 1997's Batman & Robin and Steel and 2. Catwoman is a character in the Batman Universe, It's taken 7 years to get a Batman film going that will please fans, They don't want to ruin that by releasing Catwoman a year before Nolan's film and pissing everyone off. I've also heard WB may push the reshoots and release the film after Nolan's Batman film.

That is all I have for now

Thank You.

DarkestDayz

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  • Dec. 23, 2003, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Halle Berry would make thwe worst Catwoman ever!

    by Rogue_Leader

    Seriously if you thought she was bad as Storm in the X-Men films, prepare yourself for the horror of her as Catwoman. Can they cast a movie correctly in Hollywood? Just once?

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Pfeiffer's Catwoman was the best thing about the movie franchise

    by FrankCobretti

    I'm still unclear on why WB decided to fuck with a good thing.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Sweet.... Renny Harlin can do the reshoots again

    by DomisInnerChild

    He rocks. Maybe Geena Davis can be Berry's mom.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 6:02 a.m. CST

    zzzzzzz... Burton nailed it with Pfeiffer...

    by cortezthekiller

    Must stay awake... Hey, Batman Returns is, without a doubt, the finest superhero movie ever made. Burton's gothic Gotham is a note perfect playground for Keaton's Batman (superb), DeVito's Penguin (he has never had a better role), Pfeiffer's Catwoman (excuse me, I've just come), and the wonderful Christoper Walken's Max Schreck ('unlimited poontang'). S&M, bondage, sex, violence and love - what more do you want from a film with a McDonald's tie-in? And it's the perfect Christmas movie - Gotham looked beautiful in the snow. Until Mr Freeze came and stained the whole world with his talentless pish... sounds like this new Catwoman will add to the smell. Scrap it now - give Nolan and Bale the chance to do something dark and dangerous. That's what Batman is all about.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Don't even try to salvage it, Scrap it

    by TimBenzedrine

    This project was doomed from the start. They'd do better just paying everyone off and starting over witha new script and a new director. I'm glad someone at WB understands there was a lot more at stake than a few new toys.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 6:12 a.m. CST

    if it really is that bad then it's surely too late to fix?

    by mansep

    it would have made most sense if the Catwoman and Batman films looked as if they took place in the same stylistic universe and had some of the same cast (like the Daredevil and Elektra movies). that way Warner's franchise would have had double the impact. as it is they have 2 conflicting films that may leave the public confused and cancel each other out. i would definately let Nolan's Batman come out first, and/or remove any reference of Batman from the Berry film. but maybe the execs are panicking and it will be good? we'll have to wait and see.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 6:13 a.m. CST

    There's comic book bullshit coming out of my ass

    by cpz

    *YAWN*

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Hollywood is a crack corner

    by DannyOcean01

    How else can you explain the reasoning behind killing off Selina Kyle and stating that as an improvement. Maybe I'm in some strange minority, but I was gagging for Michelle to return in Batman 3 with Keaton as Batman. Goddammit this is all so retarded. Judging from Berry's ridiculous love for all these new concepts and ideas she has something to do with all this. Fuck her for Storm in X3, take her ridiculous pay cheque and feed it in for Sentinels.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 6:57 a.m. CST

    It was always going to end in tears...

    by Coatsy UK

    ...it sounded like a heap of shite from day one.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 7 a.m. CST

    Dear Warner Brothers,

    by TimBenzedrine

    The person you need to contact is Mr. Paul Dini. He already works for you. Just get his number out of the studio directory and arrange a meeting. I'm sure he could talk your ear off on the subject of how to handle DC comic book characters.

  • It all started with Will Smith as James West, and has pissed down to other movies. Either Hollywood is too politically correct,in the case of Wild Wild West, or not politically correct enough, as with Jennifer Garner as a Greek Electra Natchios. It's all about star power, and not about who actually FITS the role. There are plenty of talented "name" actors and no-name actors out there who can fit these roles (can you say Christopher Reeve?). Hopefully Hollywood is finally coming to their senses with Christian Bale as Batman, and will continue to cast ESTABLISHED characters with actors who can portray these characters accurately.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 7:50 a.m. CST

    WB fucked up from the beginning by hire this hack

    by Spacesheik

    I've said this before and I'll say it again do not FUCK UP a major franchise (BATMAN) by releasing spin-offs first (BATMAN VS SUPERMAN Wolfgang Peterson's dead project, the old CATWOMAN project with Ashley Judd).THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN WITH THIS FLICK. Shelve it WB, do not complete it. At best it will make 75 million dollars and tarnish the Batman franchise.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Well, that's what you get when a bunch of studio executives sit

    by TheGinger Twit

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Imagine the horror!!

    by CAA

    If this catwoman ends up the way it seems its going to, then we've got a big problem on our hands. Imagine Renny Harlin made the Hobbit while PJ was making LOTR!!! If we're going to create a fantastical world, it HAS to be consistent!!

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Listen to me, i have a stupid ID name.

    by Trinity's Gusset

    Right, i guess its a question of whether keeping the geeks happy will bring in enough box office to support a $50 million plus movie. Maybe, with the x-men 2 box office, the geeks really do have market power. forget the mass-market and go fuck the geek niche. my opinion is that the fanboys DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. they want it the same, but they want it different. they want a comic book, but they want it dark and realistic. sheesh. I mean aren't the continuities of the comic universes fucked anyway? don't characters get changed around all the time as it is? Personally i would only be interested in this movie if it WAS different. i thought the new costume was really funny and it made me like the cynical marketing exercise this film is just a little bit more. I think the criticisms about it not being the real catwoman come from those fanboys that think catwoman is real. hmmm. Anyway, I'm on the side of those who think that the best way to handle these films is to give them to writers and directors who have a vision (whatever it is) and LET THEM DO IT. As long as it holds together it will find its fanbase, even if its not what anyone was expecting on the initial release. chopping, changing, and all that executive interference will never make a troubled project into a streamlined blockbuster. Interference will turn it into a compromised pieceashit that no-one will like, especially the geeks because they read the internet and know exactly (well, roughly) all the shit that went on. fanboys, bizarrely, seem to like integrity. mind you, Daredevil made nearly $100 mil (i think) and plus the studio gets to sell it to the fans again with the director's cut. hmmm. in conclusion: executives are all assholes but they know how to make money better than we do. And Halle Berry can't act. But she's hot.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 8:13 a.m. CST

    "...They don't want to be known as the Troubled Project Studio w

    by TheWoodMan

    Well, then maybe they should stop making D.C. character-based films that SUCK SO BAD. Screw all these Europeans and "artistes"... if they want to do a movie that bears no resemblance to a comic book, let them come up with their own characters & ideas; then they can masturb... uh, I mean, "express their creativity" all they like. Superman, Wonder Woman, Catwoman, and, yes, Batman... turds in the making (I'll believe in a well-made Batman movie when I see it with my own two eyes). Not that Marvel Films' future looks much brighter, if that's any consolation, Warner's.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 8:16 a.m. CST

    give it a chance: one odd photo is NOT the whole movie

    by silent_light

    it could be cool, I'm interested to see it and see what Pitof has done with it....I hope WB sheepsuits do not stick their fingers in and distort a unique movie then blame it on the people they hired: so much of that lack of genuine accountability happens in this industry, usually by studios.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 8:22 a.m. CST

    tv movie

    by mike1880

    They could just turn it into an elseworlds made for tv movie.

  • Honestly, you think these people would have learned after the fiasco known as BATMAN & ROBIN. (Well, most people would have...) But no, they have to fuck up CATWOMAN after Tim Burton did a decent job with the character, just like they're going to fuck up HELLBLAZER...excuse me, "CONSTANTINE" with Keanu Reeves. And if Selina Kyle is Patience's mom now (Hey, the Huntress has a half-sister), who's her dad? Black Lightning?

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 8:47 a.m. CST

    No Damnit!

    by yneway

    If this film is going to fail as miserably as I think it will I want it to fail all the way with no studio mucking. We all have heard of the crap Pitof's trying to make, if the studio makes him change things, he'll have an excuse for his assy movie. I see in 3 years him doing interviews claiming he wasn't allowed to make his Catwoman movie. Schumacher's owned up to making a crappy Batman movie, don't let this guy off light. Let the man fail and fail big.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Patience Price is a better name.

    by rev_skarekroe

    But leaving that aside, they were showing the '60s Batman movie on TV last night and you know what? Gorshin and Meredith were AWESOME, Cesar Romero was a terrible choice for the Joker, and I can't even remember who played Catwoman. Wasn't Julie Newmar, that's for sure. sk

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Well, if Selina is Patience's mother,

    by zer0cool2k2

    maybe her father is the "original" Harvey Dent, Billy Dee Williams, (before he took that acid to the face which disfigured one side of his face and turned the other side into Tommy Lee Jones). Yeah, why can't anybody just listen to Paul Dini? Is there more of an American art form than comics? Why does everything have to be someone's unique vision on the genre? God, I hope Bale can pull off the new Batman. Of course it won't matter who's in the suit if the writing isn't there. And as far as the older Bat-films goes,I'd agree Batman Returns was pretty great, except they went a little too far with the Penguin. The mini Batmobile and the penguins with their cartoony rockets were kinda' dumb. Pfeiffer's Catwoman was great though. Of course I still think Mask of the Phantasm was better written than any of the live action films.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 9:03 a.m. CST

    I believe

    by zer0cool2k2

    it was Lee Meriweather in the 60's Bat movie. She was definitely no match for Newmar's Catwoman.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Well, this is what you get.

    by Lobanhaki

    I don't know much firsthand but it seems like Hollywood tends to do too little at the beginning to protect their assets, and too much in production and post-production. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There's a good reason why these people don't tend to be the writers, and don't tend to make the movies themselves. But the corporate atmosphere, in the days of hitting wall street estimates on the Profits Earning ratio, is that everything must be stripped down, streamlined and micromanaged. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Problem being, that pre-existing reason why you didn't make the movie yourself. I say, start with a good script, no matter how hard to market or package it may be, go out there, get the right people, and trust them to do it right. If they make a habit of screwing things up, pick somebody else- If you feel you need to intervene, do so with as much grace and restraint as you can. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I say to them, stop trying to figure it out. Stop thinking that if you do A, you will necessarily see response B as a result. Just reading the boards here, they could figure out that no film is seen by every audience member the same way. They should realize that the trick is not to show people what they like, what fits their prejudices and preferences, it's to guide their attention, guide the way they experience the film. Of course, that takes more skill, but since when has Hollywood had a problem attracting talent?

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Excellent points Lobanaki,

    by TimBenzedrine

    But did you have to stretch out the fucking talkbacks just to make them?

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Catwoman dying and being brought back by a bunch of cats was cr

    by rook187

    Why DC doesn't take control of their properties is beyond me. If the story that is so good, why change it? Other than cost of special effects there she be no reason.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 9:30 a.m. CST

    does anyone actually believe that "scoop"?

    by ZO

    .no.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Stupid, Warners, stupid...

    by Wormie

    It took bad Internet reaction to a photo to make Warners realise that "Catwoman" will suck? When AICN reviewed this script a while back, I never thought that they would actually film that crap, but they are doing! I don't think this film will damage the new Batman movie (which I'm very excited about), but killing off Selina is dumb as that would mean she couldn't appear in a future Batman film. Then again, they don't care about continuity as Warners appearently have no intention of casting Tom Welling as Superman. In fact, why have Superman be Clark Kent? They could "reimagine" Supes as someone totally different if they can do it to Catwoman.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Careful, Wormie...

    by zer0cool2k2

    That "reimagining" of Superman has already almost happened. "No flying, no costume, does he have to be an alien" kind of crap they were throwing around a couple of years back. ............ Funny how someone mentioned "Metahuman" (and yeah that whole "revived by the cats scene was kinda' hokey, but the neon "Hell Here" was sweeeeet), I was looking for a videotape to record last week's Dead Like Me marathon for a tivo-less friend and ended up taping over some old "Birds of Prey eps. I had forgotten that show even existed. Makes how good Smallville has gotten even more suprising.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Catwoman Movie is a big mistake, imho

    by 1derWoman

    It's not that I don't think Halle Berry can do it, necessarily. I don't particularly like Ms. Berry and that DOES definately influence my opinion. I think she sucks as Storm mainly because she doesn't play her as regally as my brain says Storm should be played NOR is she tall enough (that's nitpicking, I know, where her performance is more important, but it's not up to snuff either,imho). I can't think of anyone else I'd like to play her (Storm) tho'. As for Catwoman specifically, I doubt the strength of any storyline they (the studio) will put together and call it worthy of celluloid. I'm not doubting Ms. Berry's ability to play the role. I think she can easily do it. She could probably play the minx (which is what catwoman seems to be). The costume DOES suck. I think that it should be more functional than that horrid excuse for fanboy wetdreams. It would make good wallpaper for someone's bathroom (or, dare I say it, literbox). I know she's probably tired of vinyl, but they should stick with something that is essentially like Selena Kyle's outfit. Then again, if she's a true catwoman, this Patience (crappiest name... i shudder at it, yet, it will be it's own foreshadowing..talk about leading the audience by the nose), she'll be making the costume out of what is handy to her. I just don't buy the package that's being presented. They NEED the revamping, in my opinion... certainly if they want my butt and that of my clique in theater seats. So YAY! they're reworking it. Do Not Mess With Christian Bale. I'm excited about him as Batman. The man is awesome and a total surprise choice. I will see him regardless of Catwoman, but massive damage can be done to the franchise that is already sinking/stinking a bit. (Sorry..still can't hate movies that show chris o'donnell in that precious outfit...*drool*) Mr. Bale.... moody... aggressive.. lord .. yummmm

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Speaking of troubled film productions...

    by RenoNevada2000

    I've heard from two actor friends who were scheduled to work on the Demme remake of THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE that that flick had been hemoraging cash all over New York City this past fall. Scenes were being cut at the last minute as the production slipped further behind schedule, but day players (like my friends)were still paid as noone thought to call and cancel them. Honestly, after the trainwreck that was THE TROUBLE WITH CHARLIE why would anyone let Demme remake another classic film? Good luck Paramont. You're going to need it...

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Ugh I've said this once and I'll say it again about this film...

    by Kampbell-Kid

    I said a long time ago that in Wizard magazine it stated the dir was making a version of CATWOMAN that had nothing to do with the Batman character. Thank god WB did something before this shit hit the fan.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 10:17 a.m. CST

    1derWoman

    by zer0cool2k2

    She may be getting a little old now (although she still looks great), and i'm not sure how great her acting is (but how great would it have to be), but picture Supermodel Iman as Storm. Tall, sleek, African Goddess. Perfect look, perfect accent. (She's also married to David bowie if you're not familiar with who she is). Physically, I've always thought of her as the perfect Storm.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 10:18 a.m. CST

    This should go to show studios...

    by Cletus Van Damme

    ...stick with the roots of a character off the bat, and your problems will be minimal.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 11:34 a.m. CST

    The DC/Warner way ; Take pooch. Screw it !

    by RobinP

    How in the name of Bob Kane can Warners & DC take the Midas touch and reverse it so successfully ? It's nothing new. Take a trip in the RobinP time machine and let's look at history. 1978 - Superman. Excellent movie. Up to that point,the best attempt ever to put a superhero onscreen with Chris Reeve's earnest portrayal. 1980 - Superman 2. Filmed back to back mainly with the first film, and rare exception of a superior sequel. DC are on a roll. 1983 - someone, somewhere decides to inject some humor by putting Richard Pryor in the film as a comedic stooge. The also decide to shelve Lois Lane. BIG mistake. Did they learn from this ? Only by giving up Superman IV The Quest for Peace, where the budget was only a fraction of that for the first movie, and it showed....boy did it show. However, on the heels of DC's Dark Night Returns graphic novel success, it's decided that the time is right for a mature, dark, gritty Batman. 1989 sees Michael Keaton in the role in a film that tore up the box office and lived up to its hype. One of the strategies of said hype was to distance the film as far as possible from the 20th Century Fox version of Batman which had dogged the character for 25 years in the eyes of Joe Public. Batman Returns is a strong sequel a couple of years later. However...once again at the third movie, DC & Warner decide it's time to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs and they infuse humor, in the guise of an over the top Jim Carrey (whom I normally like) and a wildly miscast Tommy Lee Jones. The take drops steeply. Lesson learnt ? Give them more of the same and take the franchise back squarely into Adam West territory with Batman & Robin. (Never have I been so ashamed that a film carried my christian name in its title). In the meantime, Marvel (previous underdogs)clean up by giving the audience exactly what it wants. Proper, sweeping action packed superhero epics with neither a sneer nor a partinising smirk. Starting with Blade, going on the X-Men, Spider-Man, Daredevil, Hulk and X2. Some of these weren't what we expected...I'm thinking Hulk, but that doesn't mean it doesnt work. I was initially disappointed with the pace, but the movie has gotten better with each screening of my dvd. Daredevil was an adrenalin rush of a movie and as for Spider-Man, hell I went out and bought reprined "Essentials" volumes of the early Ditko strips because I had a sudden urge to read them all again. What do Warner/DC learn from this ? Nothing ! Not a damn thing. Patience pride or whatever ISN'T Catwoman. Never was, isn't and never will be. Selina Kyle is. Are they so desperate to fail that they overlook the fact that the Birds of Prey series tanked embarassingly. Maybe a Batman spinoff doesn't work without actually featuring at least a cameo from Batman himself ?? I have no problems with Halle Berry as Catwoman, I have greivious issues with what I've read about the script so far.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 12:48 p.m. CST

    zer0cool2k2, you are not the first geek to bring up the name of

    by Declan_Swartz

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 1:29 p.m. CST

    If Selina is Patience's mother...

    by Lujho

    ... which is a stupid idea, but if it was true, this catwoman film would have to be set in like 2025. No way could 30-something Halle be the daughter of 30-something Michelle of 1992.************************* And as for the idea of Iman as Storm... yeah, I've thought that too... as she was in Star Trek 6 she'd be a great Storm. But you don't really need Iman, just someone like her, which Halle isn't. I don't dislike Halle as an actor, but she's just completely wrong for Storm, and Catwoman too probably.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 1:34 p.m. CST

    If Selina is Patience's mother...

    by Lujho

    ... which is a stupid idea, but if it was true, this catwoman film would have to be set in like 2025. No way could 30-something Halle be the daughter of 30-something Michelle of 1992.************************* And as for the idea of Iman as Storm... yeah, I've thought that too... as she was in Star Trek 6 she'd be a great Storm. But you don't really need Iman, just someone like her, which Halle isn't. I don't dislike Halle as an actor, but she's just completely wrong for Storm, and Catwoman too probably.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Owch

    by Dokkalvar

    This whole business of a new Catwoman movie is like having a cold sore. It's uncomfortable, you want it to go away, hell you never even asked for it in the first place. Seeing the press release shot of the costume was like confirming that the cold sore hurts - a lot. The movie, like the cold sore, is more then likely the result of some offense against the will of God. I for one however can not understand, O Lord, what us geeks ever did to deserve this.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 2:55 p.m. CST

    To Dokkalvar's point, DID WE ASK FOR THIS MOVIE?

    by Fish Tank

    I mean seriously, does ANYBODY think this is a good idea? I'd love to know what dimwit they asked on the street what movie they THINK should be made. Did someone at WB see how successful superhero/fantasy movies are of late and then decide that making up a movie for Hollywood's latest "it" girl would be a guaranteed money maker? Those idiots should have done some serious research to see if THE FANS would support this kind of movie. Fans are the ones that give the studios $70 mil opening weekends, and then keep feeding money if it's any good. Catwoman just isn't a strong enough character for a successful film. Aquaman isn't, Green Arrow isn't, Hawkeye, Hawkman, even The Flash. Wake up WB!!!!!

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 3:39 p.m. CST

    WB learned NOTHING from the failure that was HULK..

    by manwiththedogs

    keep the foreign director/artists AWAY from American comic movies. They (mostly) just dont understand the genre, plain and simple.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 5:27 p.m. CST

    How about HULK HOGAN as the Penguin in this flick?

    by NotchJohnson

    "Ya lousy minx, I oughta have you spayed, BROTHER!"

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Will Smith Had Nothing To Do With The Script For WWW. It Wouldn'

    by The Founder

    Don't blame Smith for Wild WilD West. It wouldn't have mattered what white actor got the role, and he fit the part Of James West to the T, the movie would have still been the same. As if having a White actor in the place of Will with the same script would have some how made the film better, INDEED!

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 5:33 p.m. CST

    The Perfect Storm (pun intended) would be Joi Bryrant

    by Lost Skeleton

    She played Antoine Fisher's girlfriend and she is in a few episodes of ER playing Mykli Phfier's love interest (who happens to have M&S in the show). She is great, very gorgeous and TALL! Also, Warner should have known that this was going to be a turd. The costume was awful. Now, as a God-fearing African-American man, I got no problem with Halle Berry, but the script was problematic and the concept was terrible. Maybe re-working the script would help this movie. However, I will reiterate that no one wanted this movie!

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 5:35 p.m. CST

    I wish Halle had never done this crap, because she will get the

    by The Founder

    This Catwoman flick for WB was a bad idea from the start. When I first heard about it I knew it would be crap even before Halle signed on. When I heard that Halle had taken the role, I did indeed send fan-mail and informed her to back out of anything of this genre from Warners. I prayed she would get it, but sadly it seems that she did not. Her career is starting to take off, but this Catwoman fiasco could tank her career easily.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 5:50 p.m. CST

    by Cory849

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 5:54 p.m. CST

    hey 1derwoman!

    by Slab SquatThrust

    There is someone better to play Storm...Aisha Tyler! She's the tall, HOT, former host of Talk Soup. She guested on Friends last season too. She's the right height, she's gorgeous, and she appears to be able to act...she's certainly better than Berry. I wish I knew someone in a position of power that I could suggest this to for X-Men 3.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Wait until Electra...

    by Cory849

    Catwoman sounded stupid from the get go. Catwoman is a minor character. Could make an ok TV series maybe. she's a cat burglar after all. but I never understood the character as being able to carry a movie. So I'm not surprised it looks bad. More importantly, I'm of the opinion that ALL the Batman movies after the first one were terrible. I don't care how much money they made. (Even the first one made the insufferable mistake of killing the Joker but whatever. I can forgive that sorta.) I'm glad you guys like Pfeiffer but I couldnt get past the Swarming cats scene and the absurd origin story that sucked up a third of the movie. And Danny Devito's penguin - though kinda cool - wasn't the penguin.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 5:56 p.m. CST

    part 2

    by Cory849

    Oh - I lost my train of thought there. You think Catwoman will suck - the Jennifer Garner Elektra will REALLY suck.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Aisha Tyler IS Storm!

    by Slab SquatThrust

    well, she could be anyway...

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 6:11 p.m. CST

    This movie just sounds aweful. Bad ideas, bad script, Berry is a

    by krims0nknite

    I hope they just drop the entire thing. Berry is an ok actress, but she just does not make a good Catwoman. I don't think anyone wants to see a Catwoman movie that takes nothing from the comics (BAD BAD IDEA). Piffer was an awesome Catwoman. Both in costume and out of costume she was perfect. The dialogue was amazing, the acrobatics and costume spectular. This movie is just going to leave a sour taste in all our mouths, especially those who love Catwoman from the comics

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Studios please listen... BERRY IS A CRAPPY ACTOR

    by krims0nknite

    You could get a no name struggling actor off the street and the movie would be way better then with Berry in it. Just because Berry's in it, doesn't mean it's going to sell... Word of mouth from a good actress in the Catwoman suit will do far more for the movie then Berry ever will. She is not a good actress. Take a look at all her roles, HER FACE AND SPEECH IS BASICALLY THE SAME IN ALL OF THEM.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Village Roadshow Sucks

    by allfunandgames

    This film was in 'Development Hell', and then the greedy pigs at Village Roadshow Pictures came along and pushed it through...with a crappy scipt and an even crappier costume. Batman will rule, though - Nolan is the man.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 6:36 p.m. CST

    This movie will fail

    by tile_mcgillus

    Lets face it there was no way this is going to succeed! After viewing the atrocity that is the costume I wanted to take a drill to my temple! I mean WB has the best properties in the world. They are sitting on the entire DC universe and they literally rape them or ignore them. Look at what Marvel has done while DC lay dormant. The reason Spiderman succeed on a such a large a scale is that it is true to the comic book. The costume, the feeling, the energy are all the same. I think the people who have literally built these characters from the ground up for decades understand them more then some overpayed director. The costume Halle Berry should be wearing is the one used in the comic books currently! It was made for her. Why even call this movie Catwoman if they are literally going to change everything!!!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Saving This Movie Would Be Nearly Impossible

    by wickedone

    This movie was ready to be kitty litter from the word go. First off not using Selina Kyle was a huge mistake. Then the goofy idea of some odd egyptian cat crap turning a mere mortal to an amazing cat person??? Not to mention the most god awful pass of a costume I've ever seen. I think the thing with this movie and other's like it is the lack of reality. Let's face it comic book movies are a stretch of the imagination to begin with so when you take a superhero and make people "believe" a man can fly or climb walls or what ever power they have it's tough to add more crap on top of that with said super nemasis. I think the less fantasy land garbage and more reality the better especially in the Batman franchise. Batman is the most reality based hero there is and keeping unbelieveable crap out of the universe he resides in is a good idea...... Batman isn't the only hero that should keep it simple. Hulk would have been much better if they would have just stuck to the original idea. Dr. has accident and turns into monster pretty simple and easy to digest. The tv series stuck to that premace and is still accepted today! Because they didn't screw up a good thing by bringing in ultra super bad guys with huge green heads. Daredevil would have been much better if not for that dumb bullseye on Colin's head. It just looked dumb. That and the goofy fight between Electra and Matt in the playground. What did that do for the plot of the movie? Nothing and it was dumb as a rock. Lastly the CGI crap at the end of Daredevil with that fight sequence of Daredevil and Bullseye. If you can't do it with stunt double's sometimes it shouldn't be done it looked so fake....it looked like a comic book crapped on the screen at that point in the movie! I know I went from one movie into the next but believe me when I say keep it as believeable as possible. The X-Men did a great job of making you believe without making you go numb from the whole idea behind mutants. If you believed that mutants could exist then X-men was easy to swallow... I think the best thing for Catwoman no matter what name you give her is make her a thief with no superhuman powers. Just a chick that steals stuff wearing a cat costume. Pretty believeable and not too cartoonish. Actually if you keep out the campy cartoony crap you could develop a character! Maybe even one people could enjoy and not complain about and if you care about anything burn that God awful costume. So the girl has nice big boobs and high heels are sexy......who cares? Sexy clothes don't make movies...especially when everyone that hears the name Catwoman envisions a certain dress and the one you paraded around the internet isn't what anyone envisioned even on thier worst day. Except some very odd person that was hired as costume director for this film. Now there's a person that needed to actually not use their imagination and stick to the plan laid before them.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 8:33 p.m. CST

    of course this will suck

    by Rupee88

    It will be very, very difficult to save this movie at this point...the Internet buzz is already too bad. The only thing that could save this movie would be a totally flawless and kickass trailer with lots of CGI and great action. Then at least there would be a glimmer of hope. But outside of that, it is hopeless..the early pics of the costume put the nails in the coffin before the movie even took its first breath.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 8:49 p.m. CST

    WB suits: How to save this picture (or at least save face)

    by Boxclocke

    Cut your losses to an absolute minimum by cutting the money going in, and cutting the press coverage on the way out. Here's how: 1- Pull the plug FAST. Siphon no more money into this bomb than is absolutely necesary. 2- Let Pitof have his little way with it. 3- Release it three months after Nolan's BATMAN, and keep the release small. Don't pretend its an event film. Put it out there, and sweep it under the rug. Good. Congratulations WB suits. You have now you've kept the CATWOMAN fiasco down to an absolute minimum. To prevent future such fiascos follow these simple steps: 1- QUIT BEING FUCKING RETARDED. 2- QUIT BEING FUCKING RETARDED. 3- QUIT BEING FUCKING RETARDED. 4- REPEAT.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Ashley Judd said she now regrets passing on this...

    by FrankDrebin

    She won't when she sees the finished product. If she still wants a comic book project (i.e.: big paycheck), make it POWERS. And whatever happened to that J-Lo movie where she was supposed to be a shrink to the superheroes?

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 9:11 p.m. CST

    "that first costume did suck the growing testicle hairs from a c

    by BEARison Ford

    If WB is in the least surprised at ANY of the fans reactions to this project that they've gotten thus far, then maybe they should have fucking re-evaluated doing a Catwoman project that had almost NOTHING to do with Catwoman in the first place.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 9:30 p.m. CST

    I think people are getting sick of the "Female Lead that Kicks A

    by SexyBeast

    It was somewhat original for American Entertainment to have a leading lady who was the hero, Lara Croft started the trend when she made her debut in video games. I think the genre hit its peak with Buffy. But since then the feminizing of TV has resulted in alot of lost viewership.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Damn studio Execs cant fix anything! Stop trying!

    by Jon E Cin

    I say get rid of the studio suits and just let pitof do the best work he can and give him some freedom. Of course its going to suck if a bunch of suits are breathing down his back making him change everything because they think its the right thing to do. They dont know shit. If it sucks..it will suck....but at least its wont be getting anally raped by some guys in suits. Catwoman is pretty much a made for TV idea anyway..I dont see it being a film..unless Batman is in it.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 10:01 p.m. CST

    I think its pretty much unanimous.....

    by Manaqua

    Not a damn person gives two shits about this flick. We're talkin stillborn folks. Its too bad though. I loved Vidoq and actually had hopes when I heard Pitof was directing, but after that costume and now the execs are meddling.....fuuuuuhgetaboutit. M

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 10:04 p.m. CST

    I just want some Tequila body shots from her beautiful rack

    by tequilaworm

    and then put it in between them for a few strokes splashing on her chin...CHEERS Amigos!

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Halle is NO Action star

    by marzblackmann

    As much as I love Halle and admire alot of her work,she is NOOO action star! For instance, Die Another Day,she played the cia operative,JINX..She didn't sale me that she was this kick ass gurl. I don't know..couldn't buy it..Her beauty I think in an instance like that worked against her. She wasn't at all conviencing to me. Have her play a district attorney OR something else..ACTION HErO??.. Ok,wait..she did play storm too..but EVEN then..(and I am referring to XMEN 1)when she is fighting toad..didn't really buy it.PLUS the poor lady was given one of the worst lines in celluloid history!LOL!

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 10:41 p.m. CST

    How About This?

    by IAmMrMonkey

    "Spider-Man 2" with Chris Rock as Jonny Spiderfingers - a seemingly normal lawyer who is attacked by an alien arachnid causing him to develop spider like powers which he uses to defeat crime in a purple suit? No? What about "Captain America" with Jet Lee as Vincent Flagwaver, a seemingly normal security guard who is hit by a radioactive flag and given strange powers which he uses to defeat evil in a yellow banana suit? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WB? Jesus.... I AM MR MONKEY!

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 11:19 p.m. CST

    WB fucks over another DC comic character

    by IAmLegolas

    Was this really any surprise? Come on now.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Umm... do people actually think the costume photo was genuine?

    by Billy Goat

    I mean, it wasn't even Halle Berry in the photo. Everybody noticed that, right? I can't be the only one. Come on, tell me I'm not crazy... And anyway, the studios still think of comic books as kid stuff, so you know they never would have gone ahead with that costume.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Where did you see racist attacks on Berry? All people are attack

    by krims0nknite

    I have seen nearly all her movies and she is nothing special. She shouldn't have won the Oscar for Monster's Ball in the first place, all she did was overact drunk. She played her Shrink role in Gothika good, but aside from that every other role she's had is sub-par. Especially her roles in action movies, horrible horrible stuff. She is not a good catwoman I'm sorry.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 11:48 p.m. CST

    chicken soup for the dork soul

    by OsamaBinBlofeld

    this thread truly proves how retarded some of you are! Such wonderful examples like "don't let them foreigners make'them comic book movies becuz we r the only ones dumb enough to understand them" or blow my mind like "LOTR is a rip-off of star wars" and scratch my head "this movie will fail because Pitof, I want him to fail BIG". Thank you guys, you make my day a little bit brighter.

  • Dec. 23, 2003, 11:49 p.m. CST

    They have no one to blame but themselves.

    by Steal_Dragon

    Since Batman Return's Catwoman is so different from the comic book version, why didn't they have Patience more like the comic book vixen. A REGULAR girl running away from an abusive orphanage, later running away from her pimp, then becomes a thief-for-hirer leading her into a great francise. WB could have easily merged the two Catwomen, and have Patience being hired by Chip Shrek to find the retired Catwoman, Selina Kyle and bring her to him so he can have his revenge for murdering his father. The route they go with is this stupid thing.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, midnight CST

    Is this PUD schmuck Kidding?

    by Jimmy Jazz

    Halle Berry sucks. End of story. She could be purple and she would still be the movie star least deserving of A-list status working today. Of all her laughingly bad performances, the only halfway convincing one was her dead stripper whore in "The Last Boy Scout". To call her "amateurish" would be a kindness. As for her "strength and dignity", all I can say that anyone who plays the race card as shamelessly and undeservingly as she does whenever she doesn't get her way deserves no respect. She's just another dime-a-dozen bimbo with more ego than sense. She was a horrible Storm(who should have been played by Thandie Newton) and she will be a worse Catwoman. Of course that doesn't excuse the makers of this abortion with their idiotic ideas and horrendous script, but "hit and run" Halle's presence won't help things.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Hale Vapid Berry

    by MasterShake

    Let's face it, Hale Berry has the IQ of her bra size. She is just another dumb starlet who has gotten a couple of choice roles based on her booty. I just hope the rumors of expanding her Storm character's screentime to pull her into X-3 are false. Marvel needs to dump her and hire a real actress to replace her as Storm before the stink of Catwoman taints everything Berry does in the future.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 1 a.m. CST

    Batman II Sucked elephant Ass cRack

    by 900LBGorilla

    Did I actually hear a couple people call Batman II "great" and "The Best comic movie"? --Dude, the stench from that movie still hurts my nose, and I last saw it years ago. Burton sucks, and the closest he came to good was the 1st half of Batman 1, but he made the ending stupid, and the overall feel was still 20 cent beetlejuice quality...and the fact that the batman directors after Burton kept trying to BE Burton, just sunk the garbage ship. What a shame, Batman may be the best comic character...but he has been FAR from that on film. Superman I was EASILY the best comic film, and Spiderman & X=-Men were also FAR better that Bat - crap. Maybe the studio is finally learning something though, with the Crap they have released hidden in Comic Book film boxes, I am glad they are finally worrying, fuck them...WB is the poster child on how to screw up these type of films. I actually prefer the DC characters, but on Film, they have NOTHING on what Marvel has put out...and it looks like that trend is safe despite the merely OK Hulk and Daredevil.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Re:900LBGorilla

    by mwhelan67

    I suppose u preferred Batman and Robin. Burton's films may not have been the absolute perfect representation, but they were light years better than most of the marvel films, including, hell, ESPECIALLY Spider-Man. If nothing else you have to admit it represented Batman as the dark, menacing character he's supposed to be, rather than the one-liner spouting Adam West in skin-tight rubber of the later films.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 1:15 a.m. CST

    if they're going to screw it up this bad...

    by mwhelan67

    to hell with connecting it to Selina Kyle, keep it as far away from Gotham and everything Batman-related as possible.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 1:22 a.m. CST

    They missed the boat BAD with this film.

    by Cash Bailey

    They should have done it years ago when Michelle Pfeifer was gagging to do it. Now we have that over-rated felon Halle Berry.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 1:42 a.m. CST

    "non movie movie news"

    by digdig

    ID like to request that the people who run this site and claim a strong love of movies do something positive to expose people to new movies and genres. I know I'm always looking for good recommendations, and would much rather that than a report on what kind of bath towel someone uses on the set of their new movie. Try doing something useful with this site instead of bitching/fawning over movies you've obviously made your mind up about a year and a half before they're even released. All this is not to say you lack objectivity, I'm sure you were completely willing to address any flaws present in movies like Return of the king, right?

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 1:53 a.m. CST

    About Nolan's batman

    by Calm_b4_the_Strm

    Pacino for Commisioner Gordon !!! THIS CITY !! YOUR CITY !! OUR CITY !! IS A PALACE AGAIN !!

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Re: MWhalen67

    by 900LBGorilla

    I'll answer that, Batman 1 was easily the best of the Batman films, but that is sort of like being the smartest kid in the "special" class. Batman & Robin Was at least AS good as the shit-fest that was Batman II (but this arguement is sort of like arguing which pornstar is the worst actor), ---Wait I am sending my pengions out into the world with missiles strapped to thier asses!!! "Hwaaa HWaa Hwaaa". Pathetic. Buton represneted Batman himself OK, but he still relied too much on stupid gadgets (like the Adam west version), and the real problem is the world was cheap, the scripts sucked, the fighting was LAMER than a Eunich, and the Villians Were WORSE than the Adam West version of "Batman"...Frank Miller should should put Batman to screen, then this crap would be over. And Batman was not even in the Same league as the WORST Marvel FIilms. Daredevil OWNS all the batman films...and shit that starred Ben Afflec! And Blade (which I forgot to mention) is just another Marvel Movie that makes WB look like it's run by retards and Burton himself.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 3:11 a.m. CST

    What the fuck did any of you expect....

    by axelfoley

    I mean that costume did look very bad. First off, why did a superhero outfit even don open toe shoes? I guess the rationale was that she was so exotic and chic, she is WOMAN--hear her roar!...yeah, I get it, but can't an argument be made about making comic book movies too artsy. Look at Hulk for crying out loud. Loved the eye candy, had mixed feelings on the message. Don't let me mislead you, I have nothing against message movies, but Catwoman is nothing more than an "artistic venture" with a hot Hollywood star thrown in with kicking ass at night, and suspense and romance. Who exactly is this movie for? Has anyone figured out why anyone would want to see this? Count out fanboy's who can't get over the doing away of the Batman-related mythos of this character. The movie already has bad pr. Anytime a film has more drama coming out of it in the making of it than the pages of its own script, it's doomed to failure.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 3:21 a.m. CST

    What the Fuck Is This?

    by Playhouse

    This is some shit. Are you kidding me? We're supposed to believe this? Not that I'm really big on the Catwoman movie, but this sounds like a crock. And what the hell happened to people in the last decade or two? Suddenly people can't spell or write for shit. That was one of the worst written scoops I've ever read. First step to any sort of believeability is to have something well-written and presentable. This looks like somebody decided to scribble some shit on T.P. while they were in the can and thinking about some possible rumors they heard floating about. I say the thing's bogus and America needs to make it mandatory to take an English test every five years. Just so we don't have another thing that makes us look so bad to the rest of the world.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Hmmmmm, all I have to say is....

    by Puddin' Taine

    BRING TIM BURTON BACK! At least his versions brought out the darker and more menacing side of Batman than Joel "the franchise ruiner" Schumacher. Schumacher's version of some LSD inspired neon Dark City-type Gotham was beyond shameful, and beyond anthing a comic book would have. Burton's BATMAN films weren't exactly true to the comic book, but they were 100x better than anything Schumacher crapped out.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Screw Catwoman

    by hobsnobber

    HA. Anywho.... If Catwoman sucks, I could care less. That will not deter me from seeing Batman: Intimidation. Jesus, 2 shitty Batman movies aren't keeping me home on opening night, so why should a spinoff?

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Headline: Al Qaeda-Hijacked 747 Crashes Into Warner Bros Studio

    by Bari Umenema

    (Associaed Press) BURBANK - Osama bin Laden's suicide brigade took over a United Airlines 747 during its final approach in to LAX and crashed the plane directly into Warner Bros. studio killing every single executive who works there. Comic book fans and movie buffs around the world celebrated by dancing in the streets and chugging champagne a week before New Year's Eve. At the White House, President Bush said "Cool. The terrorists did us a favor this time, nobody liked those shitty WB movies to start with."

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 4:54 a.m. CST

    SOME POOR ASSISTANT IS READING ALL THIS

    by HOSTILE ORGANISM

    And trying to put it into "notes" for his boss. Just so his boss can walk into a studio meeting on January 5th and pretend to know "what the kids expect." I forget who said it, but if the execs really were hitting bongs, the movies would be much better (see: DeLuca, Mike). Also, "Constantine" does look pretty good. They changed the title to avoid confusion with "Hellraiser."

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Re:900LBGorilla

    by mwhelan67

    To even mention Dare Devil in the same breath as Burton's Batman...YOU ARE A MARVEL FANBOY!Dare Devil was nothing but wall to wall crap, the action scenes were some of the worst ever put to celluloid, we're talking The Musketeer style bad action here, and Johnson's got Ghost Rider next, can't wait!(note the sarcasm).The point is at the end of the day, the first and second Batman films were competent and solid films, the first a classic, marvel has yet to touch that. And before you call me a DC fanboy, outside of Batman and Vertigo I could care less about DC, I was a marvel guy, and they have yet to do any of them proper justice.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Here's what I expect...

    by mwhelan67

    put Cat Woman to sleep.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 6:12 a.m. CST

    oh btw he relied on batman having gadgets b/c

    by mwhelan67

    BATMAN HAS FREAKIN' GADGETS!!!

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Re:PUD ! (fitting name)

    by mwhelan67

    She was HANDED the Oscar, Judi Dench should've won it. And if you don't like us and our site I'd invite you not to visit it!

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Christ, do you actually listen to yourself!

    by mwhelan67

    I don't know what you're trying to prove but we are all now dumber for having read your posts.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 8:51 a.m. CST

    I'd take Pam Grier's tits over Halley's anyday; that's just the

    by Dokkalvar

    Teehee. I like pud, he's a funny guy. Halley is indeed a proud black, urrm, mulatto actress..who is really subpar talent-wise.... and killed someone with a car... Here's my problem with her actually: She's a crappy actress who until monster's ball coasted on a pretty face with only one ace left - Her necked 'ace! And to make it more overt, Monster's ball was one hell of a waste and it got amazing reviews based soley on Halley's little show and tell. Now she's the toast of hollywood with her trophey for "outstanding achievement in a motion picture." So young aspiring starlets out there, you know what you have to do. To stay on topic: Catwoman? Oye Vye!

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 8:59 a.m. CST

    PUD= insecure & racist P.O.S

    by hstbbhem

    that's what the guy really is.The sad thing is that he's not even joking. He hates whites and himself, which is why he rejects his bile on the message boards. His tactic is to reverse the roles and blame the white man for his frustrations.(that's his only way to exist or to be heard or to even rationalize and give some sense to his pathetic existence). I think He just needs some love. Yeah, he must be a pretty lonely guy, I mean seriously just look at the number of messages this guy posts in a single thread.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 9:43 a.m. CST

    You internet geeks are dumb. PUD! is a white boy

    by Lost Skeleton

    and I can telll 'cuz I'm Black and PUD! is playing that angry black man role so unconvincingly. Oh, Thandie and Ayisha T would also be great as Storm. Especially Aisha 'cuz she is an amazon! Oh, every Black person knows that Halle is bueatiful but she can't act worth a damn! We are still proud of her but all she did do is show her tits for an Oscar. Every brother and sister knows that the first African-American winner for Best Actress should have been Angela Bassett for What's Love Got To Do With It? Also, Angela was supposed to be the original Storm but the project took so long to get off the ground that she had to leave before it was greenlighted.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Halle Berry can't act like her tits are on fire.

    by Todd1700

    This movie will bomb so big it will make Ishtar look like a f#cking masterpiece. Halle Berry is drop dead gorgeous and I'd love to f#%k her but she can not act. She has consistently been the worst part of the two X-men movies and there is no way she will be able to carry a movie like this on her own. She comes off especially bad in action movies. I don't know how she gets all the roles she does. All I can figure is she must be sucking somebodies dick that has Gods unlisted phone number. And she must be damn good at it too.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 10:40 a.m. CST

    re:Angela Bassett.

    by hstbbhem

    She was also great in the film Strange Days! (as the female bodygard).

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 11:26 a.m. CST

    People, Halle Berry is Mulato, NOT black

    by Fish Tank

    If it matters to anyone.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 11:28 a.m. CST

    TalkBack order is screwed up (what else is new)

    by Fish Tank

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 1 p.m. CST

    Puddin Tain

    by 900LBGorilla

    Uh Puddin, a little math for ya: 100X better than ZERO is still ZERO! Burton is the most over-rated film maker in the history of film-makers. I'd rather see Ed Wood resurrected and given control of the batman Franchise- at least then it would be funny/ bad, instead of burn your nostrils and eyes with the vapors of raw sewage bad.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Talkback Moron Motherf***ers

    by Krinkle

    Of course, the only movies any of you moronic TB mothefuckes have seen with Halle Berry are the juvenile "X-Men" movies. Hell, YOU TRY TO PULL OFF THAT BORING ROLE! Halle Berry is terrific in "Monster's Ball," and once again most people are refusing to admit that someone who looks that good is also a talented actress. Happened to Michelle Pfeiffer, too...

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 1:21 p.m. CST

    MWhalen

    by 900LBGorilla

    :oh btw he relied on batman having gadgets b/c Comment: BATMAN HAS FREAKIN' GADGETS!!!" - Yeah like some pincers on his Bat-Plane, just "in case shit like a bird needs to be caught" LMAO- LAME, LAMER than Adam West, I was half expecting the "Luckily I was wearing my Bat-Acid proof suite and panties today" shit. ========================= -"To even mention Dare Devil in the same breath as Burton's Batman...YOU ARE A MARVEL FANBOY"! - Uh A)"Dare to Mention in the same breath as Burtons Batman" LMAO- you gotta be shitting me. I could meniton "Yor, Hunter from the Future" and "Charlies Angels 2" in the same breath as the lord of shit films Bur`ton and you'd have to do a micro-analysis to determine which sucked worse...hinmt hint: "same breath" and "anything Burton" DO NOT go together. B) Nope you are 100% WRONG- I am a Fan of DC much more than Marvel- Batman SHOULD be the best comic film b/c the source material is excellent, and Superman I is the best Comic-Movie (woops , so much for your theory). Unlike you however, I can see shit when it hits me in the eyes. (Can't Burton be arrested for that- It's a damn health hazard. ================================ "Dare Devil was nothing but wall to wall crap, the action scenes were some of the worst ever put to celluloid, we're talking The Musketeer style bad action here", - LMAO STOP STOP STOP- Dude you are hurting me really, god that was fiunny. DD action was so inomparably superior in choreography, moves, and seriouslness (shit I am fighting a clown - theres DRAMA!) than Burtons batman- you must be joking... or very stoned. In fact the ONLY good fight in ALL the Batman films was Batman I when he fought the Punk/ clown with the swords in the alley...and shit he was STILL fighting a clown, and it lasted like all of 10 seconds. The Batman films have the worst /leats dramatic fights of anything I can even recall outside a bunch of Gun-Guns fighting some robots.--------------And the 1st Batman was OK at best riddled with over-acting, stupid scenes like Briuce wWayne challenging the Joker and crew in VV's apartment for no reason and with no plan just becasue he had a tin table tray under his chest, and and ending that was as Bad as Superman 3- "wait, you wouldnt hit a guy with glasses, WOULD you Adam West, er..M Keaton... and holy cow, you can push me off a buildin g, and I can fall BACKWARDS, yet still manage to teleport onto a ledge right below me and pull YOU off the ledge, Then you can pull ME off the lefdge again! DUE that is pure SHIT. Marvels WORST climaxes are INCOMPARABLY better. "at the end of the day, the first and second Batman films were competent and solid films" - COmpared toAdam WEst maybe, on any other level...uh nope. ================ "the first a classic" - LOL! ============================= "marvel has yet to touch that". Superman I, Blade, Spiderman, X-Men EASILY outdo this, (and really even their bad films do as well) =============================== "And before you call me a DC fanboy, outside of Batman and Vertigo I could care less about DC" - No I just call you a guy with poor taste in films... the proof is implkying ANY of Burton's Bat-Action was better than DD (which was a mde\ediocre film, but had FAAAAAAAAAAR better action than ANY BM).

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Pud: A bunch of racist attacks on Halle Berry, a strong, proud b

    by Shalimarali

    What planet do you live in? You have the nerve to call Halle Berry a trail blazer for generations and a strong black actress in the same sentence as Oscar. I am one of the man African American woman who was embarrassed by her demeaning and degrading depiction of black woman in the movie Monster's Ball. In fact, I refuse to watch the movie, just as I hate watching other stereotypical black actors like Stephin Fetchit and Amos & Andy. I didn't care one way or the other about Halle Berry or Monster's Ball, until I caught wind of all the negative discussions about the movie on Black Voices. Many of the emails bemoaned the fact that her role in the movie took us back 200 years. After reading all the pros and cons about the movie, I decided to boycott it and all of her future movies. One day I hosted a "Tuesday movie night" at my house and they picked X-Men 2. I could barely stand to see the movie any time she was on screen. She seems like the type to say "the hell with our image" or the fact that black women struggled for 100s of years to get past that Slave Master mentality of white men using black women -- I just want an Oscar. She had enough clout when making that film to ask to remove the most offensive scenes, but chose not to. For this country to give her an Oscar, for a role that takes us back to them good ole Master's days is beyond me. There is your racism Pud -- giving an Oscar to the movie that has showned the most degrading depiction of black women in this country -- rather than to any movie featuring any of the 100s of better black actresses in movies that depicted black women in a positive role (Angela Bassett in What's Love Got to Do With it, Diana Ross in Mahagony, etc.). As for Catwoman and anything else that she has coming, up -- I say "pass" just as I would if a studio remakes Amos & Andy and brings back Stephin Fetchit from his grave to star in it.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Wormie, Jon Peters and JJ Abrams have already "re-imagined" Supe

    by KingKrypton

    The suck-ass script that Moriarty reivewed last year (which Harry then turned around and championed to the hilt) has already done the damage (Krypton either won't explode or it'll just split up into populated fragments that have be "liberated," Superman is the Neo-like messiah prince predestined to liberate Krypton from his evil uncle and cousin, Jor-El commits suicide to talk Superman out of dying from kryptonite, Lex Luthor is Kryptonian in some way or another, Jimmy Olsen is gay). This is the script they're going to use; they're determined that this will be box office gold and a surefire trilogy. That said, I sincerely hope that the negative reaction to CATWOMAN puts the brakes on the Peters/Abrams Superman project. WILD WILD WEST brought about the death knell of Tim Burton and Peters' proposed non-flying, gadget-dependent, dark and violent Superman, after all, and it killed the godawful Dan Gilroy script that survived for a few months post-Burton. If CATWOMAN's failure brings about the death of the Abrams script, that'll be a major victory. But we still have to get rid of Peters. As for Nolan's BATMAN...maybe it's too soon for another Batman movie. The previous series is still too fresh in people's minds. I think time is what's needed before Batman can come back to the silver screen.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 2:35 p.m. CST

    The Warner Hacks haven't learned

    by TheRonin

    You'd think from the public reception that Spiderman and X-Men got the morons at Warner would have figured out that it pays to be true to the source material. These hacks should all be fired and replaced by execs with a clue. "Artistic merit" my ass. These are fucking comic book movies. I'm really concerned now what Nolan is going to do to Batman.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 3 p.m. CST

    Need to have my two cents on BATMAN RETURNS

    by Solrider77

    This is my opinion, it's not a fact in anyway so those of you who disagree with it, that's up to you. BATMAN RETURNS was the second worst movie of the BATMAN series(I know I don't have to say which is #1). My problem with RETURNS is quiet simple, it's not a BATMAN movie!! Batman has almost nothing to do with the plot and there is so little of his character traits present that he could be any dark superhero from the 90's. On RETURNS the WB suits gave Tim Burton way too much control and let him pervert the Batman characters into his usual trademark misfits. The Penguin is not the fucking Phantom of the Opera, he's a mamas boy with a super intellect, a fetish for birds, and a massive inferiorty complex. Catwoman is not some mousey(I'm sure that's a joke) secretary who just needs to be pushed out a window and revived by a horde of cats to become a kickboxing, cartwheeling feminazi. She's a career criminal trained by the old superhero WILDCAT with a possible past as a prostitute(from YEAR ONE) and has something of a Robin Hood streak going through her(I.E robs only those that deserve it). About the only thing RETURNS Catwoman provided was the model for the chracter's latest costume, which I do think is good. "The correct atmosphere for a comic book movie." is the compliment I hear most often for RETURNS, well that's not enough for me to accept a complete perversion of the characters, and worst of all BAD ACTION. RETURNS featured the most lackluster battles in the series till B&R. Looking back at RETURNS I feel it suffers from the same problem as B&R, the director was allowed to have way too much control over the movie. Now as to this CATWOMAN movie, it'll suck we all know that. It was a bad idea from the get go and nothing they do will manage to redeem it. I'll be first in line to see Nolan's BATMAN though. No bad spinoff movie could keep me away from that.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by tile_mcgillus

    Alright. I don't about know what you guys are talking about. The Tim Burton Batman films are not that good. Batman is nearly incapable of fighting just a few thugs in the first movie. The second was fun but retroactive in that it became very reminiscent of the horrible T.V. show (i.e. the penguin taking control of the car scene and the god forsaken penguins with rockets!!!!) As for the the catwoman movie, I have no problem with Halle Berry as catwoman however the director seems to act above the comic book as if he is too good for it. That sickens me!! Why ignore the comic book? As if his ridiculous attempt(from what I've seen) is somehow better. I will state here that if you use a comic book property and dont stick to the comic book as close as posible it will fail.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 10:07 p.m. CST

    What about Sharon Stone she's in this crapfest too.

    by Regis Travolta

    Does Sharon show her slit like she did in Basic Instinct? Do Sharon and Halle have a lesbo love scene? If so I'm there!

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 10:26 p.m. CST

    To BillyGoat: Yes, that photo of the costume was real. Halle pos

    by FrankDrebin

    Hopefully, she's listening to the feedback on it.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 11 p.m. CST

    Re:900LBGorilla

    by mwhelan67

    Rather than writing a book on how wrong you are, I'll answer it in one run-on sentence, you're answers to my arguements prove you're idiocy.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 11:26 p.m. CST

    PUD

    by PurityOfEssence

    Your argument is pathetic...

  • Dec. 25, 2003, 4:10 a.m. CST

    PUD....

    by hobsnobber

    Does a person have to be white for me to say they suck? Would that make it less offensive? Well, black people can suck, too. And Chinese. And rednecks. And if I wanted to see a nice rack, I'd visit the backroom section of my local video store.

  • Dec. 25, 2003, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Retitle this 'bomb-waiting-to-happen', remove any interracial Fe

    by StoneMonkey

    Call the film 'Feral Weapon' or something of that caliber. The image of Michelle Pfieffer's character spawning a mixed child won't sit well with certain or most fans, and any connection to the earlier Bat films would confuse and disappoint folks expecting something greater...especially with the upcoming Nolan/Goyer/Bale film.

  • Dec. 25, 2003, 3:30 p.m. CST

    This movie sounds like the biggest piece of overblown, Hollywood

    by ComicBookGeek77

    O.K This movie is going to tank. I'd bet the farm on that one. I saw an interview with the Eurotrash director and he was saying, and with pride might I add, that this movie isn't going to be at all like the comic. WHAT THE FLYING FUCK? Who the FUCK is this piece of shit French Fag to say, with pride, that he wanted to "take a totally different direction" with the film. Halle Berry is in this cause she is Hollywood's "it" girl and it looks to me that this RIDICULOUS movie is a self-indulgent, VANITY PIECE. I PRAY that this movie bombs worse than Gigli and whomever these Dumb FUCKS are helming this garbage barge don't work in this town again. Especially the FUCKING FROG whom is directing this schlockfest. I hope he is publicly STONED and his career is ruined. God, I am so pissed off right now. I'm looking at the "production stills" of the costume and I want to chuck my Big Gulp at the fucking wall right now in disgust.

  • Dec. 25, 2003, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Here's some of his FUCKING FRENCH FAG's bullshit thoughts on the

    by ComicBookGeek77

    Here's some of the comments made by "Pitof" about the upcoming "Catwoman" movie. Have you been reading a lot of old comics for research? PITOF: No, not really. That lame-brained response speaks volumes. I got this information out of "The Wizard" assholes so don't go accusing me of making it up. This guy is a fucking HACK. As I mentioned in my previous rant, this movie WILL suck-ass and this FUCK pitof will be making B-movie bullshit porno's, MARK MY WORDS.

  • Dec. 25, 2003, 3:50 p.m. CST

    One more thing....

    by ComicBookGeek77

    I'm not racist either. I could care less if Halle Berry is black, white, yellow, or red, she is a SHITTY actress any which way you look at it. As for "the Pud!" or should I say Halle Berry or Eric Benet or whomever the FUCK you are, I don't want to see Halle's tits again. Monsters Ball sucked asshole.

  • Dec. 26, 2003, 1:36 p.m. CST

    STORM CASTING: Iman/Joy Bryant

    by jinX

    I could see Iman being allright lookswise for Storm and can probably pass for 10 years younger (she's at least 48) IF SHE COULD ACT and sell lines as is required from the role of Storm role thus far in the X-Franchise. http://www.studioformas.demon.co.uk/iman.jpg http://www.gismo.at/joy-and-fun/newmodel/iman1.jpg Based on her performances is the Star Trek movie and Exit to Eden, I don't think she has the chops. Point me to a strong performance from Iman and I'll gladly reconsider. If you are going to waive the target age for the acress the actress of choice is Angela Bassett. http://images.allposters.com/images/144/50974.jpg http://www.backusturner.com/channels/issues/nov1999/images/coverstory-angelabassett/photo2.gif Joy Bryant is the other extreme...TOO YOUNG. http://www.filmfestivals.com/pixus/festivals/afi/2002/joy.jpg http://images.toronto.com/feature/12522/joy-bryant_400.jpg She would be good for an Ultimate Storm but otherwise she would be more age appropriate for one of the X-Kids. Though she is 27, she looks and plays much younger and wouldn't read as a contemporary of Famke Janssen's Jean Grey or Alan Cumming's Nightcrawler. If you want to recast the whole movie, it's a whole 'nother story.

  • Dec. 26, 2003, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Monsters Ball. Shalimarali. Mulatto

    by jinX

    How can you damn a movie you haven't even seen? People win Oscars for all kinds of roles, not just the life affirming ones. It has been said that the Best Actress Oscar alternately goes to portrayals of Whores or Nuns. Berry's win for Ball bears that out. I can understand why Bassett passed on the role because she felt it demeaning but I can also see how Halle jumped at the chance to play such an extremely ugly character (and I dont mean that in the physical sense). Being mixed race doesn't mean you aren't Black, it means you aren't ONLY Black.

  • Dec. 27, 2003, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Jinx

    by Shalimarali

    Halle Berry is not the only actress/public figure to be boycotted. In fact, just pick up any newspaper and you will find moviegoer discontent with a variety of people including Sean Penn, Wesley Snipes, Michael Jackson, etc. The public has a right to spend their movie dollars wherever they want. A lot of people have a problem with celebrities who are against the war -- so I have read of many "boycotts" against people like the Dixie Chicks, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, etc. And a lot of black people will not support Wesley Snipes because he has publicly dissed black women, said he would not date them (only Asian women) and that the black writers on one film were stupid. See if I spend any of my hard earned dollars on him. In fact, you can go back in history and read about boycotts against many actors including Stephin Fetchit, Amos & Andy, Madonna, etc. That is your right to not spend you money if you have a problem against any actor, musician, etc. Halle Berry is not alone in being boycotted. But don't take my word for it, go to blackvoices.com and read about the 1000s of other blacks who were offended by Monsters Ball. That goes to show you that a movie studio does not have the power to just release offensive crap and think that blacks to so dumb that we will go along with it. The people have spoken. In fact, if you follow all of the negative emails on black voices and yahoo discussion boards alone; and then put that with the fact that 1000s of people said they would boycott watching the 2003 Oscars because of it, then you will see why that was the lowest watched televised Oscar broadcast in history, since it has been on tv. I am an African American, who happens to live in one of the most segregated cities in this country. I have participated in many discussions on blackvoices.com on how powerful the media is in promoting racism. To wit, if every film about black people had a negative image, then people will believe it. For example, at work I have to hear crap everyday about how bad the black neighborhoods are, how bad the black schools are etc. These comments are from people who do not live in black neighborhoods nor do their children attend black schools. So where do they get these "impressions" of black life? From the media of course. When I say "media" I include films, newspaper articles, evening news, etc. The stories, movies, reports give an impression or "image" of my race that may or may not be true. And if you live in a segregated area, that impression becomes more important -- because that is usually what people go by when it comes to JUDGING people. If you live in a segregated community and do not personally KNOW black people, where do you get your impression by which to judge black people? Why from the media of course. Pre-juding black people may not be fair to us, but it is something that we have had to deal with during and after slavery and even today. Do you know that where I work, there are NO black men employed in the same unit as me? Why do you ask that? Chance, coincidence or negative stereotype of black men? You choose and tell me. And what about the black women, like me who are employed there? Everyday in real life, I have to deal with the attitudes of people who live in the suburbs and have a BAD impression of me, even before I walked through the door. They did not get a chance to get to know me, but rather, their impression was already made of me what what the see in movies, in news reports and in newspaper articles. This is 2003 -- but you won't believe the "prejudiced" comments made about me from these people who live in the suburbs. For example, I bet you BBQ on an apartment balcony, I bet you live in a flop house because you live near a certain street. And on and on -- every day for the past 2 1/2 years that I have worked there. Now if they don't know me personally, why would they assume that I live in an apartment (rather than being the homeowner that I am); or that my house is a "flop" house (rather than knowing the selling value of my house or what it looks like)? They ASSUME because that is what they see on TV, newspapers and movies about black people. Now what if their only impression of black women came from movies and they just happened to see a movie like "Monsters Ball" what impression of sexuality would that give them of black women? Of course, they would assume that those good ole days of white men raping and having unconsensual sex with black women were still true today. That black women are skanky whore objects to be used by white men -- as that movie portrayed, just like in the good ole days of slavery. You tell me what they would think?? Because they day after she won that Oscar, I kept a low profile, just praying the no one would ask me about that movie. One white lady finally did and went around the office to get opinions from black and white men and women (no black men though because they can't work there). Most of the white men gave a sneer when asked, and most of the women who saw the movie were polite and just said it was racy. When she asked me my opinion, I was brave enough to say that it was not a good impression of black women. Not that anyone there would believe my word over the skankiness that was live and in living color on screen to degrade and demean black women -- once again. I am employed in the accounting field for the US goverment right now, but my major in college was journalism. So trust me when I say I really understand how the media works and how powerful it is. I really enjoy the discussions on blackvoices.com and was so proud of my people when I saw all the negative emails about the movie. We do have the right to stand up and defend ourselves when this white society tries to put THEIR images and impressions of blacks in the media that may or may not be true. I don't know how old you are, but do you remember a few years back when the newspapers began this trip about so many black people being on welfare? Now what was the result of all those newspaper articles talking about the number of black people on welfare? The result was that people believed the impression that black people were on welfare. Mind you, I have never been on welfare and both my parents were employed. Did that stereotype apply to me? No. Did it apply to ALL black people? No. But can you imagine what a POWERFUL impression those articles made? It was powerful. To the people at my job, that just gave them the impression that blacks are shiftless, lazy welfare recipients. Not to mind that they won't employ black men, so maybe those black men do need welfare??? Not to mention how unfair and biased those articles were in not mentioning white trailor trash or other races on welfare. Another example of a good discussion on blackvoices recently was AIDS. You probably think that AIDS is rampant in black communities, based on news articles and the media. WRONG. Go to the Center for Disease control website and look up the actual numbers of AIDS for blacks, white and other races. But you won't see those actual figures in the media, nope -- only the impression that blacks are running rampant with AIDS -- just like welfare. I'm not crying the blues about the way things are. And honestly, the whites in this country just can't admit that slavery was wrong, racism is wrong and prejudice is wrong. One of my comments in black voices was that you have to imagine if Hitler was alive today and owned a newspaper. What would his articles say about Jewish people? Would the articles be biased, prejudiced or a real Jewish person's account of Jewish life? I recently sent an email that someone sent to me about yet another sterotype about black people, this one that black people don't read. For many black people (and whites, asians, etc.), that observation is true. Men in particular will look at Monster's Ball and enjoy seeing a piece of ass. Women like me, have to go to work and SHOW that black women are not merely a piece of ass for white men, but that we have brains, intelligence and smarts. We are not merely sexual objects for white or black men -- and that good ole master days of using black women for sex is gone. If Halle Berry wants to exploit that image to get an Oscar, I say more power to her. But I will be damned if she gets my support for that or any other movie she makes. Just like if Fox TV wanted to show Birth of a Nation -- how many black people would support that offensive movie? A lot of young black women did not read about the history of slavery in the country and they might avoid articles that deal with the ongoing racism that still exists today. If they READ and had enough sense to make a judgment call, they could and should boycott movies that give the wrong impression of black women. If all movies and articles were negative, how would that impress my co-workers at work in the way the treat/view me? Now keep that in mind -- as I mention movies that have done so much to damage the image of black people. Amos and Andy, Stephin Fetchit, Good Times, Boys in the Hood, Monsters Ball, etc. Being a black women, I put Monsters Ball at the top of my list because she did have enough clout to delete the offensive scenes. But instead, she kept them in to play up that image of slave masters having unconsensual sex with black women. And playing up that image, in this prejudiced country, was just the thing for any racist white man to vote and give her an Oscar. As an African American, offended by many of the untrue images about blacks in movies, tv shows and newspapers -- all I can do if just hope and pray time will ease it. 40 or 50 years ago, black people had to put up with the ONLY image in movies with people like Amos & Andy or Stephin Fetchit. Can you imagine if their images were still being portrayed today???

  • Dec. 27, 2003, 3:14 p.m. CST

    No doubt Warners is also taking a good long look at the dismal r

    by TimBenzedrine

    And its finally dawning on them that Halle Barry can't attract an audience on her own.(Unless her films contain a minute or two of highly publicised nudity, of course.)

  • Dec. 27, 2003, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Shalimarali

    by jinX

    Your points about the minds of the ignorant being shaped by limited images in media are well made. However I would not be a proponent of limited portrayals of minority characters to being squeaky clean to make because of that. I still have to ask how, if you have never seen the movie, can you so vehemently damn the movie? Though it is everyone's right to boycott, I think it is equally important to do so from a fully informed perspective. How many people boycotted the Dixie Chicks without knowing what it was they really said and were just acting on the filtered, spun regurgitation from someone else's mouth? Is there even any "unconsensual sex" in Monsters Ball? Having the freedom to portray a whore (Monsters Ball), a superhero (X-Men), a secret agent (Die Another Day), a psychologist (Gothika), a 21st and an American legend (introducing Dorothy Dandridge) is an important step for actors of color.

  • Dec. 27, 2003, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Jinx

    by Shalimarali

    The people who boycott the Dixie Chicks have every right to do so under freedom of speech. The movie studio that released Monsters Ball has a right to do so. I have a right to not see yet another negative stereotypical movie about blacks.

  • Dec. 27, 2003, 6:56 p.m. CST

    TimBenzedrine

    by Shalimarali

    You hit the head on the nail buddy, show some nudity to attract viewers - just like the piece of ass she has become. I make sure that I sway my nieces and granddaughters far away from any of her movies that might lead them to believe she is any type of role model for black women (only because she won an Oscar). She must live with her head in the sand, if she can avoid all the negative discussions about her image and the movie Monsters Ball that is floating on the internet. Unlike some black people who have to go to work and deal with segregation and racism everyday. She has enough money to have a publicist give her only the "good" emails that applaud what she did. That sort of makes her look like a clueless, bimbo loser. I was so glad when Nicole Kidman (finally) won an Oscar this year. She was cheated last year because she has 10 times more acting ability in one movie than Halle Berry does in her entire body of work. Not to seem like I hate Halle Berry or anything like that. I haven't seen all of her movies, but I did enjoy seeing her on Knots Landing years ago. Again, I do refuse to watch Monsters Ball, just as I refuse to watch Boys in the Hood, Training Day, Stephin Fetchit, etc. Not every black person is like the ones you see in movies and on tv. Not every black man is a thug, drug dealer or theif. Not every black woman is a piece of ass, who does not have brains or intelligence to get ahead in life. And of course, real life is not the same as reel life. But if you were a black American, living in this country and dealing with the result of slavery, then you would know that reel life usually does not get it right when it comes to blacks. And that is our choice to say no to the movie and choose not to see it.

  • Dec. 28, 2003, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Boycotting

    by jinX

    You can boycott whatever you wish, no one is contending that you cannot. However there is a difference between, hearing a Dixie Chick say something that offends you and never supporting their work again and making a decision to not to support their work based on second or third hand information. You have every right not to see Monsters Ball, no one is trying to force you to see it, but I don't see how you can intelligently criticize the content without any firsthand knowledge of that content. At best you can say, "I've heard X about the movie", "Angela Bassett found it demeaning" etc . In other words you are being shaped by the outside influences in the same manner that you criticize the media for shaping the minds of the ignorant people with whom you work.

  • Dec. 28, 2003, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Those boots

    by Wascal wabbit

    I think there going for the foot fetish market with those open toed boots but it would've been better if she'd have been barefoot as they don't suit the rest of the costume.

  • Dec. 28, 2003, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Jinx, boycotting

    by Shalimarali

    Take my word, you can hear about an event or thing and use that as the basis to boycott something. I have not seen Birth of a Nation or any movie featuring Amos & Andy or Stephen Fetchit -- but I have read enough about the content to determine that this is yet another negative stereotype that I choose not to have as entertainment value. People who are pro-war or Republicans might not have heard any songs by the Dixie Chicks, but their belief in the war or Republican issues was enough for them to boycott them. Same things with Sean Penn. It is a shame when politics is mixed with entertainment, but that mixture is something that entertainers have had to deal with since the beginning of time. Look at all of the actors who were blackballed during McCarthyism. Look at all of the actors who changed their names to sound less Jewish. I did not make the rules, but all one has to do is read to find out the history of this problem. For the record, I want to say that I applaud ANY movie that Eddie Murphy does. All of his movies give a positive image of black people. I come from a working class family, and all of the men in my family work and contribute to society. (Just don't let them apply for a job where I work, or they will be turned down - LOL). But if you have limited time to actually go see a movie (as opposed to watching them at home via TV or cable), then a lot of things affect your choice on which movie you would select. Movies can offer escapism or realism, depending on what you like and what you like to see. My favorite choice of movie is mostly sci-fi and action. I love mostly all of the Arnold movies (even though I am not a Republican). For TV shows, I like anything with Joss Whedon (Buffy, Angel, Firefly); but I also like Charmed, Half & Half, Girlfriends, Dead Like Me, Carnivale. My must see movies in a Theater include the Terminator series and Harry Potter. It would have to be a very compelling drama to motivate me to see it. Anything with Uncle Tom stereotype images of blacks will never get my money. Anything where the black men are just thugs and losers does not beckon me. Anything where black women are portrayed as skanks and whores (including music videos) does not appeal to me. Hey, if it does not relate to me, what can you say?

  • Dec. 28, 2003, 7 p.m. CST

    FUCK MADGE BLAKE!!!!

    by Kenshiro_Kane

    Sure, you played Aunt Harriet on the Batman TV series, but SO FUCKING WHAT?!?!? You completely sucked dog balls in your lackluster performance as Larry Mondello's mother on "Leave It To Beaver". So, FUCK OFF DEAD BITCH! Word.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 1:24 a.m. CST

    MWhalen-TBS out of order

    by 900LBGorilla

    oh btw he relied on batman having gadgets b/c Comment: BATMAN HAS FREAKIN' GADGETS!!!" - Yeah like some pincers on his Bat-Plane, just "in case shit like a bird needs to be caught" LMAO- LAME, LAMER than Adam West, I was half expecting the "Luckily I was wearing my Bat-Acid proof suite and panties today" shit. ========================= -"To even mention Dare Devil in the same breath as Burton's Batman...YOU ARE A MARVEL FANBOY"! - Uh A)"Dare to Mention in the same breath as Burtons Batman" LMAO- you gotta be shitting me. I could meniton "Yor, Hunter from the Future" and "Charlies Angels 2" in the same breath as the lord of shit films Bur`ton and you'd have to do a micro-analysis to determine which sucked worse...hinmt hint: "same breath" and "anything Burton" DO NOT go together. B) Nope you are 100% WRONG- I am a Fan of DC much more than Marvel- Batman SHOULD be the best comic film b/c the source material is excellent, and Superman I is the best Comic-Movie (woops , so much for your theory). Unlike you however, I can see shit when it hits me in the eyes. (Can't Burton be arrested for that- It's a damn health hazard. ================================ "Dare Devil was nothing but wall to wall crap, the action scenes were some of the worst ever put to celluloid, we're talking The Musketeer style bad action here", - LMAO STOP STOP STOP- Dude you are hurting me really, god that was fiunny. DD action was so inomparably superior in choreography, moves, and seriouslness (shit I am fighting a clown - theres DRAMA!) than Burtons batman- you must be joking... or very stoned. In fact the ONLY good fight in ALL the Batman films was Batman I when he fought the Punk/ clown with the swords in the alley...and shit he was STILL fighting a clown, and it lasted like all of 10 seconds. The Batman films have the worst /leats dramatic fights of anything I can even recall outside a bunch of Gun-Guns fighting some robots.--------------And the 1st Batman was OK at best riddled with over-acting, stupid scenes like Briuce wWayne challenging the Joker and crew in VV's apartment for no reason and with no plan just becasue he had a tin table tray under his chest, and and ending that was as Bad as Superman 3- "wait, you wouldnt hit a guy with glasses, WOULD you Adam West, er..M Keaton... and holy cow, you can push me off a buildin g, and I can fall BACKWARDS, yet still manage to teleport onto a ledge right below me and pull YOU off the ledge, Then you can pull ME off the lefdge again! DUE that is pure SHIT. Marvels WORST climaxes are INCOMPARABLY better. "at the end of the day, the first and second Batman films were competent and solid films" - COmpared toAdam WEst maybe, on any other level...uh nope. ================ "the first a classic" - LOL! ============================= "marvel has yet to touch that". Superman I, Blade, Spiderman, X-Men EASILY outdo this, (and really even their bad films do as well) =============================== "And before you call me a DC fanboy, outside of Batman and Vertigo I could care less about DC" - No I just call you a guy with poor taste in films... the proof is implkying ANY of Burton's Bat-Action was better than DD (which was a mde\ediocre film, but had FAAAAAAAAAAR better action than ANY BM).

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Comic book geek...

    by DukeDeMondo

    What a sad, moronic, pitiful racist little shit you are. "I'm not racist", he says, following his "French" "Frog" "Fuck" diatribe. What a stupid, stupid waste of pus you have proven yourself to be.You should have been a blow job.

  • Dec. 29, 2003, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Shamilarali

    by 900LBGorilla

    Now Li, you do make some good points on right to boycott, and I am sorry that you live in a city that you feel has a lot of Racism- but you at times are a bit over board here with crazy comments like: "And honestly, the whites in this country just can't admit that slavery was wrong, racism is wrong and prejudice is wrong". ---My impression of this comment is Whathefuckdidshejustsay??? I mean damn, talk; about prejudging- that word goes BOTH ways, and this comment is beyond ignorant. You must be talking about like 0.05% of the white population and labeling us with that statement...in fact I have NEVER met a white person who thought slavery was "right". Yeah I know some people who are prejudiced (both black and white people actually), but none who take it that far, and none who base their prejudice on "movies and the Media" as you theorize is the origin or their feelings. 1 guy I know feels that way because he got robbed then mugged (in 1 night no less) by a couple (different) African Americans, a couple brothers (not in the Af/Am. sense) I knew were prejudiced b/c they grew up n a bad neighborhood with a lot of African Americans they did not find to their liking (to say the least), based on their actions. And this IS one thing some (NO NOT ALL) of the African American community should work on, sometimes (Indeed MANY times) preconceptions are generated by actions. I do not presume to place my bad experiences with African Americans (primarily seeing pre-teens wandering city streets at midnight) onto the whole people...because like any race OBVIOSLY it consists of completely different individuals...but historically Caucasians have had preconceptions of many races...and there is a REASON beyond movies and media that Asians (Who were also once thought to be "Lesser people" are now preconceived as intense, high energy, intelligent workers (although that does not apply to all of them either) There are trends that lead people to Pre-Judge even though it is ALWAYS unfair to do this to any individual (Case in point- no highly popular trend seems to come from Asian American culture as wildly popular, and terribly negative as say Gangsta Rap). ========================================Further, I don

  • Jan. 12, 2004, 1:20 a.m. CST

    No, I stand by what I said, I'm not racist....

    by ComicBookGeek77

    I just cannot stand prissy little French FAG directors with their own bullshit agenda. I drown my FREEDOM fries in catsup, a triple from Wendy's and an X-large diet COKE. Thanks for asking, dipshit.

  • Jan. 26, 2004, 2:28 p.m. CST

    900LBGorilla

    by Shalimarali

    My apologies -- you are right. I had been sending personal emails back and forth to pud and did a cut & paste to save time. But I should have edited my personal comments that did not apply to this message board. Even so, I disagree with you on the subject of racism. It is not just happening in my city, it is still all over the country. Racial profiling is a national problem, not just where I live. And the last time I looked, so was discrimination in housing, jobs, schools -- just about every segment of life. As a white person, you have the option of ingnoring the problems of the black Americans because it doesn't affect you. But black people can't ignore the problems, we have to deal with it everyday. And you really, really can blame the MEDIA for playing a major role in racism. You may not want to admit it, but it is true. Again, not this subject is not related to the Catwoman post, but feel free to send me a personal email if you want to discuss it further. (I promise to be good and edit it before doing a cut & paste next time.) But my big beef with Halle Berry is that she did screw black people with her damning film that was Monster's Ball. And I can't stand (uncle toms) who support racism. Perhaps one day she will make a decent film. But it looks like for now, her feedback on the internet is mostly negative for Catwoman and many of her other roles (i.e. X-men, Gothika, etc.). Thanks.

  • Feb. 9, 2004, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Boycott Halle Berry

    by Shalimarali

    Copy & paste this link to Boycott Halle Berry http://www.petitiononline.com/halleno/petition.html