Wonder why its a sore spot for Torres and Alias.
Dec. 21, 2003, 8:25 p.m. CST
BEST SHOW EVER!
Dec. 21, 2003, 8:40 p.m. CST
by Sean Whitmore
This was a fantastic panel. I already knew Whedon had a flair for off-the-cuff humor, but the rest of the cast was great as well. Fillion in particular was funny as hell, as was Ron Glass' admission that he can't remember one episode from the series. For the first time that I can remember at one of these conventions, all of the fans' questions were intelligent. None of that "asking Tyler Mane if Gambit is in X2" nonsense we usually have to sit through. Long live Firefly the Movie!
Dec. 21, 2003, 9:28 p.m. CST
The show didn't bomb. It got better ratings than Buffy and Angel. It also got better ratings than anything on Fridays on Fox this season. It's pointless to go into all the reasons it was cancelled, but the biggest reason is probably because it was too expensive to make.
Dec. 21, 2003, 10:01 p.m. CST
For those who accuse "Firefly" of ripping off this show and that show, rent Sergio Leone's "Once Upon A Time In The West" and listen to the DVD commentary track. They go blow by blow explaining everything Sergio and Co. ripped off for that classic. The "Big Huge Hunk of Homage" is a style of filmmaking. "Firefly" even references Leone with some extreme closeups, the use of wide-angle lenses, and clever camera and crew work to give they impression they are on location and not on a set. Herc, let us know when Joss Whedon presses that button letting the crew know his miracle has arrived.-----later-----m
Dec. 21, 2003, 10:22 p.m. CST
Gina Torres won the lottery, hooked up with some wacky cyberhacker, figured out all the shows I like to watch and then paid to star in every one of them. Damn so shortly now I won't be able to watch 24 anymore either. Oh well my tivo is still packed I've only watched the first hour and half of this season so far anyway.
Dec. 21, 2003, 10:47 p.m. CST
A great way to end the weekend. Thanks.
Dec. 21, 2003, 10:52 p.m. CST
The show wasn't cancelled cause it sucked in any way....anyone with a speck of intelligence already knows that. It was cancelled cause Fox fucked it up. Playing the episodes out of order, and not supporting it by putting it in a bad time spot.....thats it. I dare anybody to watch the dvd in order, and tell me that this series sucked. Sure, there are a few weak episodes....maybe even a bad one, but 90% of them are great. I don't give a rats pink, puckered ass what ya naysayers think. BOO-YA!!! lONG LIVE THE FLY!
Dec. 22, 2003, 3:07 a.m. CST
by Magus Darkstar
... and I'll be there opening night! That's all I really have to say.
Dec. 22, 2003, 3:19 a.m. CST
...and Firefly was TIGHT. This was the best television show in the history of television shows. Every great story has to have an ending, but I'd rather Firefly end prematurely in greatness rather than linger a few seasons too long, growing stale with repetition and implausible plot twists. Too many once-great series have followed the latter route. On the other hand, I'm excited as hell about a Firefly movie. Even a low-budget straight to DVD number, while maybe not in keeping with the show's production values, could serve to appease fans and wrap up the loose ends. To people like Luscious, I feel sorry for you that you are unable to appreciate the excellence of Firefly. It's your own loss.
Dec. 22, 2003, 7:41 a.m. CST
Firefly was cancelled because it aired on Friday. It didn't have a chance; Friday shows only succeed if their aimed at the very young or vert old or if they're incredibly cheap to produce. The last Friday success was the X-Files, and as soon as it did decently Fox moved it, realizing it couldn't survive in that timeslot.
Dec. 22, 2003, 8:34 a.m. CST
by Lapin Agile
everyone had a festive time--the audience AND the speakers. no jaded shatners here! provocative questions and intelligent answers.
Dec. 22, 2003, 8:44 a.m. CST
by Big Bad Clone
Or maybe it's just the thought of Inara on Firefly....nummy...
Dec. 22, 2003, 8:54 a.m. CST
Two things killed this show: 1. Friday: This kind of show will not work on a Friday night. People have lives and they aren't going to interupt their plans to watch a television show. Friday is for new magazines and shows for family or older (as in middle age and senior) audiences. 2. Not airing the pilot: My wife and I were looking forward to the show because we are such big big Buffy and Angel fans. To be honest, though, we were lost. It was like stepping into the second season of a show and trying to catch up on everything you missed. It just felt like I was missing all this information that I needed to get a sense of what was going on. After two episodes, we gave up.
Dec. 22, 2003, 10:41 a.m. CST
I hope that IF, by perhaps more bad judgement by studio execs, the Firefly movie doesn't get made that we'll at least see the script for the movie in whatever form possible. These unresolved plot threads are just as annoying as the unresolved Twin Peaks. Just a testament to how well everyone on the show did thier jobs. Quality ALWAYS makes you care.
Dec. 22, 2003, 10:42 a.m. CST
The fact that Whedon has written a movie script is good news, in my opinion. I watched about three episodes of Firefly on Fox, and never quite understood the larger issues of the show. Then, as so often happens, I bought the DVD set. Now I'm dying for some resolution to several of the plotlines, especially River and what the Alliance did to her. That could be so fucking intense in a feature-length movie. Good luck, Joss.
Dec. 22, 2003, 11:51 a.m. CST
by Big Bad Clone
A Whedon written/directed ep that's Fred centric sounds great. I like the fact that wardrobe, the WB or someone decided that she needed to show some leg. Bravo, who ever decided that, Bravo.
Dec. 22, 2003, 11:57 a.m. CST
by Big Bad Clone
In a world full of Garfield the Movie, According to Jim, the Bachelors, it's great that we can have some great programs/movies. Maybe we can stop bitching long enough to apprciate what we have and what's to come. God Bless us everyone.------ Now if only those fuckers at Paramount can fire B&B and show more Yoshi on Vulcan action.....
Dec. 22, 2003, 1:19 p.m. CST
by Bob X
Did Joss Whedon sodomize your sister or why are you so bitter? If you don't like Firefly why waste your (and our) time here? Anyway, what a great panel. Joss answered the 'big question on everyones mind' ("yes, I'm a little gay"), and Adam Baldwin wrote "pain is scary" on my DVD. Now bring on the movie!!
Dec. 22, 2003, 2:15 p.m. CST
I think Joss will need some kind of commercial hit (a cheezy Romantic Comedy is very do-able, with Buffy wit and sweetness, but no Scary Monsters) before they let him run with Firefly. Sell his soul with something like "She's All That", and make sure it's nicely counterprogrammed against Hellboy or Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow or King Kong. Make a few hundred million with something sappy. *Then* pull out Firefly like Obi-Wan's lightsaber in Mos Eisley. (Thanks for Forum Cleanup, too.)
Dec. 22, 2003, 2:33 p.m. CST
A feature film based on a series that lasted 4 seasons(and a forthcoming mini-series) I can see(and look forward to with much impatience). A feature based on one season of a hardly watched show is kinda hard to believe in. Not knocking FIREFLY, mind you, just stating the facts.
Dec. 22, 2003, 3:27 p.m. CST
Firefly is a show that's great/we'll watch it on TV even when it's late/the execs at FOX cancelled it too soon/maybe they should all be sent to the moon/cancelling Firefly delayed world peace/on life it had too short a lease/let's all team up and buy DVDs/then FOX will have to ask Joss "Pretty Please"/*****************************See, MAN those things were annoying.
Dec. 22, 2003, 3:51 p.m. CST
even if they made a firefly movie who here would prefer that over being able to watch a new hour 10-22 times a year. Anything Whedon is better in novel form (tv series) than it is in short story form (movie). On that topic I like tv series way better than movies.
Dec. 22, 2003, 6:51 p.m. CST
by Son Of Batboy
Coaxial has turned into a suckfest.
Dec. 22, 2003, 8:21 p.m. CST
by Smeg For Brains
Dr. Franklin Ruehl is awesome!
Dec. 22, 2003, 10:17 p.m. CST
and all is well and I brought them home with me to enjoy. I really didn't watch the show at all when it was on TV, so I figured I give it a chance. You guys have been really adimate about this being good, so I tried it out. I popped in the DVD, called the misses and we began watching it. Once into the first episode, all I could do was stare and hang my jaw open and feel the DROOL come out of my mouth. The only words that could come out of my mouth were "wow,
Dec. 24, 2003, 10:54 p.m. CST
So, was it good for you, Herc?
Dec. 24, 2003, 10:57 p.m. CST
Usage: "Herc is completely buffyfucked." Also; A convenient way to describe why a Joss Whedon project sucks, as in "Firefly failed on television because it was just so damn buffyfucked."
Dec. 27, 2003, 7:16 a.m. CST
After the musical Buffy episode... this time with feeling... the guy is a true genius - absolute brilliance
Dec. 29, 2003, 5:35 p.m. CST
Dec. 30, 2003, 9:08 a.m. CST
Firefly...Buffy. What a crapfest. Joss Whedon is a no-talent hack. Now that both shows are out of their misery, would someone explain to me why the hell "Andromeda" is still on the air?
Jan. 1, 2004, 9:22 a.m. CST
by TheGinger Twit
Jan. 1, 2004, 1:31 p.m. CST
I was a bit fan, oh boy was he but he hasnt really done anything right in the last couple of years which makes me think hes going to be another Chris Carter. Firefly was not good and now he wants to make a movie???!!!??? It wont do well. The premiere of Angel was crap and the now until the last three episodes was the show half way watchable because of the Stand alone episodes. Buffys last season was a bit of an approvement over Season 6 but was still a mess which leads me to believe Joss's reign of success is over. He gave up on Buffy, hasnt been contributing much to Angel and Firefly will go bust.**** On the bright side, I hope Wonderfalls is given a good chance but playing the pilot in the middle doesnt sound good.
Jan. 1, 2004, 11:50 p.m. CST
I think I only caught the second and the final episodes from their original run on Fox due to the terrible night and timeslot but what I saw I enjoyed a lot so I went ahead and purchased the set. This was the best money ever spent on a television DVD set in my opinion and I would recomend that anyone who has not even seen an episode should pick this one up. I'm guessing even those couple of bitter Enterprise fanboys that like to troll the ME talkbacks would probably find some good in this one. Watching one episode a day in the order Joss intended was amazing as it really shows what idiodic executives at Fox missed when they cancelled the series. The set was worth it for the commentaries alone, the Joss/Nate Fillion commentary for the pilot was the funniest thing I've ever heard on a TV show with the exception of Jane's "I'll be in my bunk" comment to seeing Inera's new female client. Oh and speaking of Inera, Morena Bacarin has to be the hottest woman on the planet, if you haven't yet buy this DVD set now. Great show with much comedy and drama and hot women.
Jan. 3, 2004, 7:35 p.m. CST
Canada's Sc Fi station, SPACE, reported last night on its Hypa Space program that Whedon will be taking over the writing chores on New X-Men after Morrison is finished. Am I saying its true? No. But what I will say is that its possible, and pretty newsworthy. The kind of newsworthy this site is supposed TO BE REPORTING!