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I am – Hercules!!

Herc picked up a nasty dose of the “killer flu” in Austin last week, so the posting has been slow – but there’s a lot of Mutant Enemy material piling up. Nausea will have to wait.

* The TV Guide that went on sale Monday indicates that Sarah Michelle Gellar turned down an offer to reprise her signature Buffy Summers role on an “Angel” two-parter tentatively slated for May sweeps. "She feels it's not the right time," explains Buffiverse mastermind Joss Whedon.

* Those reading Monday morning’s Hollywood trade papers learned that Gellar is slated to start production next month on “The Grudge,” an English-language Sony remake of the Japanese supernatural horror thriller. She was slated to shoot MGM’s “Romantic Comedy” in August (effectively negating an eighth season of “Buffy”), but “Romantic Comedy” apparently never did happen.

* Following the coming return (and likely final departure) of Cordelia Chase in “Angel” 5.12, the series seems to shift its focus back to stand-alone episodes. 5.13, titled “Why We Fight” will flash back to Angel’s role as a Captain America-like figure in the American war effort during WWII. 5.14, titled “Smile Time,” will see Team Angel combat evil kiddie-show puppets.

* Dark Horse’s excellent “Tales of the Vampires” comic, written by ace “Buffy” scribes Whedon and Drew Goddard (and starring Spike and Dru), went on sale last Wednesday. The first eight issues of the Whedon-authored tale of the future slayer, “Fray,” have at long last been collected into a graphic novel which went on sale two Wednesdays ago.

* For those who’ve forgotten, both the fabulous “Buffy” season-five DVD and the amazing “Firefly” complete-series DVD went on sale last Tuesday. I gobbled up all the “Firefly” extras from my sick bed over the weekend, and promptly fell all kinds of smitten with that wacky spaceship western all over again. (Plus? The commentary tracks drop all kinds of fascinating hints about where the series was headed before it was grounded! Inara’s “suicide kit” was not a suicide kit! And, yes, the Alliance soldiers did indeed wear helmets first seen in “Starship Troopers”!) If your budget forces you to choose between the two DVD sets, I say pick up the adventures of Mal, Inara, Kaylee, Simon, River, Book and Jayne first. The DVD contains three HIGHLY entertaining unaired episodes. And I’m guessing that while you’ve seen the all the season-five “Buffy” episodes four or five times already, you’ve likely seen the aired “Firefly” episodes only once (if you’re lucky). Longtime readers will remember Herc raving about "Firefly" while it was airing; I’m here to tell you I like it even better now.

I am – Hercules!!





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  • Dec. 16, 2003, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Hey I'm...

    by Sci_Fi_Wasabe

    Aw nevermind.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Shiny!!!

    by lizard_boy

    Damn you Fox. Firefly could have been soooooo f'ing good.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Firefly!

    by BRTick

    cant say enough good things about this show. here's hoping for that movie, eh?

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 2:33 a.m. CST

    future angel eps

    by mag7man

    The Angel episodes sound kinda stupid but kinda fun. Need some Buffy crossovers though.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Yes, Fox execs are a bunch of nut-shitters, and Firefly rules!

    by eternal76

    'nuff said

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 4:58 a.m. CST

    The Firefly DVD Set is Fantastic

    by Duck of Death

    If you liked the show...get it! If you never saw the show...rent it -- then get it! Healthy DVD sales might influence Fox to greenlight the feature film (or, if not that, then possibly inspire some other network to pick it up), so I've gotten a couple to give away as gifts. It's a terrific package, too -- lotsa commentaries, featurettes, etc. I missed the show completely during its original run (no cable) so came to it fresh. I was initially skeptical but by the last disc I was outraged that any network could possibly cancel a series of this quality. It boggles the mind.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Screw Gellar, replace her ass already....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    James Bond has been replaced 800 times already, why do we need Gellar to be Buffy? They could get someone who 1. is a better actress, 2. WANTS to be Buffy and will appreciate the job, and 3. is a whole helluva lot better looking! Gellar quit because nearly every character on that show was more interesting than her. Willow kicked her ass in popularity, Dawn was turning into the hottest chick on TV, Anya's shit was prettier than Sarah, Faith is, well damn she's hot, and even Xander offered more sensuality to a heterosexual audience than the "star".

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Coolio

    by Frank_Serpico

    Angel's Captain America episode sounds cool as hell even though it goes completely against the timeline of previous episodes which show that Angel kept himself seperate from humans and was a loner. and no Buffy on Angel is great as it would start the ridiculous Dawson shit which ATS does not need right now.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Need more .. Angel

    by Calm_b4_the_Strm

    Fuck i cant believe that its gonna be jan until we see Angel and the fang gang again. The WWII shit sounds great . didnt DB say in an interview that it was his greatest wish to play Angel in this timeline ?

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 7:04 a.m. CST

    My girlfriend and I watched the first disc of FIREFLY

    by RenoNevada2000

    She only ever saw one episode when the series but wasn't that impressed. Now after watching the first Disc of the DVD set, she can't wait to get through the other three. And she's not really a genre fan. (Though I have got her reading POWERS and FABLES as well.)

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Into each generation...

    by BankyEdwards2309

    Like every good series over the years. It has to refresh itself to maintain it's popularity and help the story writers from becoming stale and predictable. The X-files knew this when Mulder & Scully became a parody of themselves and the audience grew tired of the week in week out 'will they won't they..how can she still not believe etc.." scenario. Buffy, to an extent did this when 'Angel' took some priciple characters to L.A and threw new dangers and situations there way. But, Buffy had the potential (in more ways than one) to grow and become what it was once before. The show to watch on tv! Buffy's on/off relationships was a concept that had been covered from so many angles it hurt. But, we had an army of girls who they could of nutured and made into 'the new scooby gang'. Kennedy was the natural born 'leader' and Andrew the comic relief ,the same way the Buffy/ Xander combination worked so well in the early years. I'm not saying it was a simple way to rehash the old characters into an updated version. But the show had gone beyond Gellar by this point,and I for one think she knew this.She was no longer the main focus or pulling power of the show. How many people smiled everytime the 'trios' names came up on the screen during the opening credits,cos u knew this would be a good episode.The same way you used to sit up and think 'here we go..' when the CSM man's name appeared in the X-files credits. Or,when..it would read 'special guest' Eliza Dushku as Faith. So many shows have changed but kept the Faith..in one form or another : Star Trek ( same name, different decade,different people..) X-Files,Dr Who even ( although it's shite)..Surely the platform was and is there for Buffy to carry on in some sort of guise.This would prove a real challenge for the writers of the show to show the world just how good they really are and bring the show to a new audience with a newish cast and still keep the faith as regards to the Buffiverse. Am I being slefish cos I loved Buffy for what is was..billient escapism from all this war and deciet we have today. Come on Josh..Just once more with feeling :)

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Remembering Profit

    by Kungfumanchu

    Yeah jelloboy,I remember Profit fondly.You've got this cocky take no prisioners main character then you find out behind closed doors he's seriously messed up & sleeping in a box.I would've loved to have seen how that played out but unforunately a good but odd show like that never stood a chance on network TV back then.Thank god for cable now where at least they get a fighting chance.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Firefly!!!

    by simongarth2001

    Screw Saddam....Fox execs should be pulled out of their RATHOLES, and spanked good and proper for chuckin' this awesome show. What do they consider good enough nowadays????? Paris Hilton???? Temptation frackin Island???? I hope Firefly's sales kick ass. It really was a special show. In this day of "Battlestar Crap-tacilla" and star-gate, Firefly was a king amongst insects.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Duck of Death...

    by Wungolioth

    Supposedly Universal have greenlighted the Firefly movie, but we aren't likely to hear more about it until the beginning of next year.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 8:12 a.m. CST

    I'm a big Angel fan, but...

    by Wungolioth

    A vampire in wartime sounds like a really stupid idea. How's he supposed to keep out of sunlight? Especially with the danger of any Germans stumbling on his camp? Dumb, dumb idea. I have to assume he isn't actually enlisted, more like he sneaks around at night ambushing enemy camps, and this is how he becomes a sort of legend to the troops.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 8:19 a.m. CST

    by cs2112

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 8:28 a.m. CST

    What's the Deal

    by cs2112

    I love Angel especialy since it's the last link to Buffy. I can understand Ms. Geller wanting to hold off after all it hasn't been a year yet since Buff went to TV show Heaven I mean the show isn't old enough for hall of fame status yet but it does deserve early admission. MY Problem is What are they doing with Spike. Can you say underused. I wish Mr. Whedon would just let Mr. Marsters talents out he can really add to Angel and perhaps make it as close as remarkable as buffy was. More SPIKE More SPIKE. Thanks for letting me Vent Guy's.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Battlestar Galactica was a Hit But Not Firefly????????

    by 28

    WHY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 8:44 a.m. CST

    But Aren't ALL Kiddie-show Puppets Evil?

    by Drath

    I know, that was too easy. Feel better, Herc. The flu blows.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 9:05 a.m. CST

    profit

    by jimtheanvil

    this was the BEST show ever - it has even prompted me to get a sign-in to this talkboard! I showed a video of it to my new Kiwi girlfriend a couple of weeks ago and she could not believe how good it was, how well written etc. As far as I can see, it is not available on Amazon.com or .co.uk but it is on amazon.fr I do know it was VERY popular in France a few years back. I believe that the Americans originally only saw the first 4 episodes. Believe me, the final 4 blew even those out of the water -anybody who saw the Chinese Espionage or the Undercover Reporter episodes saw TV at its finest. It is obviously impossible to bring back such a talented cast now, but whoever pulled the plug on that, well, I would not let he or she flip burgers for me at Burger King! 'If you want somebdoy to love you, open your heart. If you want somebody obsessed by you, close it.'

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 9:10 a.m. CST

    3 things: I heard that the Firefly movie is on hold (possibly fo

    by Big Bad Clone

    Herc, what's the latest with the Firefly movie? Santa's bringing my box set so I'm getting itchy to hear the Ballad of Serenity soon.---- SMG doesn't want to be type cast yet her next two films (Doo 2 and The Grudge) are horror spoof/horror movies. Combine that with Scream 2, I Know What You Did..., and of course Buffy and what do you have? I think that if she has to lean on her older work, why not get back into the Making Out w/ Selma Blair genre? That something she should fully explore--- I need my Mutant Enemy fix soon and my box sets of Buffy aren't helping, so when will we see new Angel? Actually, I'm glad that the WB is actually playing rerns instead of bumping it like they usually do esp. in the summer.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 9:18 a.m. CST

    It is really sad...

    by wiles_1

    When you watch the Firefly DVD and listen to the commentaries from all involved. You can tell how much everyone on the show just KNEW how good Firefly was, right when they were doing it. Normally something like that comes along and people don't realize what a hit it was til after it is done and gone. Everyone on Firefly, the cast, the directors, the producers, KNEW what a jewel they had. I loved every commentary except the final one on "Objects in Space" which I found quite boring. Other than that, this DVD collection is probably the best set of shows that I have ever seen and probably will ever see for quite some time.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Firefly DVD's

    by caseylane

    The DVD's have been selling very, very well. Best Buy was out and had ordered extras twice. I'm hearing the same story from others. It's actually hard to find right now. Fox exec's should be shoved through the intake fan. Gorum dumb asses. Profit? Kick ass show. So wish it had been on HBO. Has that been released on DVD?

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Fox TV is a lost cause

    by RandyZimm

    Fox could have an incredible line-up by just using all the shows they've screwed over in their lifetime: Besides Firefly there's; Brisco, Profit, Kindred, Space A&B, Visitor, and dozens more. Oh, the list might have a flawed show or two depending on taste, but they all had more potential for entertainment than the crap they're shoveling now. I mean how many times do we really need "reality" shows anyway, and how much of it is staged in the first place? Firefly is classic,and would've been a SOLID hit for Fox with a little patience (like they gave X-files). It's SAD that more folks didn't "grasp" it when it was first out. What annoys me to no end now is all the rave reviews the DVD is getting when these same reviewers HATED the show when it was out last year. How fickle! It's a small miracle, based on the network's hatred for the series that the DVD was released at all. I'm VERY thankful for that.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 9:34 a.m. CST

    If they can resurrect Family Guy, why not Firefly?

    by SoldierSquirrel

    LOVE my Firefly DVD set and I've been spreading the word. Hope it sells well and we see the series reborn or that spinoff film go into production. Fox - you can still right this wrong.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Considering how well the box seats sell, why not make a direct t

    by Big Bad Clone

    Finacially, it's works out well but I'm sure it's gets down on since even Kangaroo Jack can get a nation wide release and Yes, Dear can rule the airwaves. But think about it, how many copies where sold and at how much a pop? It easily covers cost and networks don't have to deal with finicky viewers/advertisers.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 9:54 a.m. CST

    trying to like Firefly, but ...

    by DMented

    Does Firefly get any better after the first few episodes? Just watched the first DVD, and while I like just about everything else Joss has done, I'm having a tough time seeing the greatness others see in Firefly. It's not BAD so far, but it's not grabbing me. Honestly, the hokey western music ain't helping; never was a big Western fan, maybe that's it ... Now BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, THAT fucking GRABBED me!

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Regarding Firefly

    by Shandy

    Afternoon, Just thought I

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 10:25 a.m. CST

    profit

    by dougmac

    Not on dvd yet, but keep hope alive. If they released Wiseguy, this has a chance.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Firefly, we hardly knew you...

    by flave

    Just finished viewing my Firefly DVD and boy am I pissed. Why in the name of all this is holy was this show cancelled?! Will we ever deiscover the grand arc that Whedon had in mind for this show? Come on everbody. We've got to get everyone we know to buy this DVD set. This is the only way we'll ever see FireFly: The Movie. P.S. I see DMENTED above was the only one with something negative to say about Firefly. At first I was miffed but when I read further and discovered that he was blown away by Battlestar Galactica, well, all was explained.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Firefly was too good for TV.

    by Gere's AssGerbil

    And probably too expensive for gutless Fox execs. I'm not a big fan of Whedon. I never really enjoyed Buffy or Angel. I hated Alien:Resurrection. Toy Story was okay but not as good as the sequel. But Firefly was probably the second best show I've ever seen, right after the first season of Alias. The tragedy is that it really felt like it was headed in a good direction, but it was canceled before it took stride. It deserved at least a full season.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Firefly DVD set makes an excellent holiday gift!!

    by Hjermsted

    It's amazing how much more enjoyable this series is when it runs as intended by Mutant Enemy Productions: In order and presented in widescreen! I loved the show when it was on and was heartbroken when it was canceled by an extremely miopic Fox network. Had Fox plugged this show into the former X-Files timeslot (Sun 9pm), kept their grubby hands off of it and let Joss do his thing... the network would be enjoying a cozy little cult hit enjoying a successful second season right now. FOX YOU SUCK!!!

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 11:06 a.m. CST

    flave

    by DMented

    Guess the fact I was trying to keep an open mind (unlike yourself) was lost on you, huh? Shouldn't be surprised, you don't sound too bright. I AM SO sick of jerkoffs with no tolerance for opinions other than their own. Didn't say I was blown away by Galactica, I said it grabbed me. How? Things like building suspense, reversals, serious dramatic acting (without lame-ass jokes every few minutes). Oh, look -- I've accidentally made a list of things missing in the first 3 eps of Firefly. Look, I'm not saying the show is bad. Can't make that judgement after only seeing 3 episodes, and I plan to watch the others. But in the first 3 episodes alone: haven't you heard Joss use the word "bendy" enough already? (Heard it about 20 times throughout the Buffy series, and it was only funny the first.) And that jocular moment when Kaylee's pissed because someone called the Serenity a junkheap sounds a lot like that ST:TOS moment when Scotty belts a Klingon for calling the Enterprise a garbage scow. And that moment when Reynolds asks Inara if she can do HIS hair too when he sees her doing River's? (Uh, not funny?) I'm not trying to chip away at your little world or anything, just hoping someone would say the show gets better as it progresses. Hopefully you're not representative of this show's fan base, or, to paraphrase an asswipe, all will be explained ... and I shouldn't hold out much hope for the rest of the series.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 11:56 a.m. CST

    anyone know when Angel Series 5 starts on Sky?

    by JacksonP

    And, for that matter, Alias 3?

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Firefly and Grabbing

    by Recognizer

    I totally recognize DMentid's right to be bored with Firefly. It does have something of a deadpan, washed-out, twangy feel at the beginning, and one can be forgiven for mistaking it as a Dr. Quinn: Medicine Woman show. However, it's got a fiendish degree of craftsmanship in its production, writing and timing. When you dismiss something as "a Western", it's a mistake to ignore the power that the genre can generate. Listen to the theme song's lyrics, and watch the scenes playing on the credits, and there's a human depth there that's quite emotionally wrenching. "Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand" -- juxtaposed with the Battle of Serenity Valley, which was like Helm's Deep if there were no kings or wizards or reinforcements, just piles of bodies and half-insane survivors. The Western form can have tremendous impact, but as DMentid said, an open mind is essential. On its own merits, Firefly works emotionally while also having fairly good action. And Adam Baldwin is fucking hilarious. Neill Cumpston pants-crapping funny.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 1:58 p.m. CST

    defensive much, DMented?

    by omarthesnake

    You come across as quite the, as you put it, jerkoff in your reply. I didn't dislike Galactica, and admired certain elements (the 'leaving the sublight ships behind' scene was particularly wrenching) but it pales in comparison with Firefly, which had solid writing, an intriguing universe, and a terrific cast (something BG only halfway achieved... the great actors being counterbalanced by the bland Apollo and Starbuck). If you don't get it --- and judging how you seem to be finding fault with the humorous quips people use in dire circumstances and failing to comprehend that those aren't 'lame-ass jokes', it seems you don't get it --- that's your loss. It's a damned good show, one of the best on network television in recent years genre or not, and the executives at Fox should be ashamed of the way they mistreated it from the start.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 2:25 p.m. CST

    omar

    by DMented

    Yeah, it's funny ... I get defensive when insulted by assholes. I'm working on that. Did you happen to notice who began the insulting tone of the thread? Or does any information counter to your own opinion just get magically filtered out? Okay, I bashed Firefly around a little in my reply, and that was not my original intent. Sorry, Joss. Sorry, fans. Guess I was hoping someone would have the maturity and brains to say something like "keep watching, it grows on you," but instead I got Firefly fanboys with a "if you don't get it, the show doesn't suck, YOU do" attitude. I'll say it again, I don't think the show sucks. But I still think my criticisms are legitimate. And to use what is undoubtedly your favorite non-word, your logic is all "bendy." I wasn't saying comic relief is a bad thing ... only when it's not funny. Joss can be funny. The first three episodes of Firefly are not the best examples of that. And thank you Recognizer for at least keeping an open mind.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Screw that! Get Homicide: LOTS Season 3 instead

    by KryptonsLastSon

    Its the best show you never saw. Guaranteed.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Differences

    by Recognizer

    One thing that must be kept in mind, especially when reading forums like these, is that it will comprise some people with perfectly legitimate reasons to like Tarkovsky's Solaris, and some people with legitimate reasons to like Bay's Armageddon. And some who like both. ********* It didn't have its flash "up front", though, so people seeking sci-fi gratification had to wait, and wait. If you want some *comedy* gratification, I'd suggest the episode "Jaynestown" -- focuses on the show's simplest but most compelling character. Then, "Ariel", which has plot, sci-fi, and some fucking serious character development. Jayne, I'm looking at you again. ********* So, if you want to see two good episodes, "Jaynestown" and "Ariel" in that order. And maybe "Our Mrs. Reynolds", which is probably good for the Battlestar Galactica Redux fan, 'cause it's got nekkid chixx.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 3:04 p.m. CST

    omar

    by Recognizer

    We cannot all be fans of the same things. Some people don't like chocolate in their peanut butter -- some people also prefer if action stays serious and comedy stays funny. These are people who probably don't enjoy Jackie Chan movies, and I'm sure these people exist. I'm not saying that if you don't like Firefly you have a heart of stone, but sometimes a show *just doesn't click* with some viewers. Personally, I can't watch Firefly without *hurting* with the fact that there aren't people to talk about it with afterwards. Then again, I felt that way about My So-Called Life, and Teen Titans. And I couldn't stand Space: Above and Beyond or Stargate: SG-1, and I know there are a lot of people who like those shows (probably not Hercules, judging by what he puts up here). Tastes vary. DMented is free to dis! If you read carefully, he's not exactly spewing hate. And DMented, you've gotta realize that fora like these are minefields of the defensive. It says "Angel, Firefly, Buffy". Poke holes in the gastanks of people's ego, and expect flames.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 3:41 p.m. CST

    To those on the fence - from a FireFly convert...

    by Damitol

    I never *hated* Firefly, in fact I watched a few episodes (now I know how very few) and said in this and other forums that it seemed to be getting better week to week. At the end of the day I thought the show had potential and was sad to see yet another space show get the ax, but no sleep was lost by me. Then I bought the DVDs. Goddamn FOX! When you get to see *all* of the shows IN THE PROPER ORDER and in the wonderfully shot widescreen, this was a really, really good show right out of the box. The characters are deep and the actors playing them are all wonderful. There are tons of patented Joss Whedon "moments" (including laugh out loud humor) and of the 14 episodes, I can now say I love 10 and really enjoy 3. There is one that is marginal, but I've only watched it once so I have hope for it. I've always enjoyed space shows and never really cared for westerns (probably due in part to lack of any real exposure), but the melding here works. If, like me, you thought the show was "OK" or you like space based shows and never got a chance to see it, buy the DVD set - you will not regret it. Firefly will prove to be miles better than you remember it being if you ever did see it. Oh - and although there are many unanswered questions when the final episode ends, none are critical to overall enjoyment of the series. It can still be viewed as a great, really long movie begging for a sequel just so you can spend some more time with these characters and see what happens to them next. Hopefully reports of the DVD selling well will make "them" (Universal?) green light the movie so we all can.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I'm with Mr. Nutsack....

    by Jimmy Jazz

    Gellar is "too big" for Buffy? Fine, replace her scrawny ass for someone who will appreciate the role. Dump the stuck up bitch with delusions of grandeur and get some (real) blonde hottie with an appreciation for genre stuff and Buffy's place as the new Star Trek.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 5:02 p.m. CST

    28 - WHY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by mbeemer

    "Battlestar Galactica was a Hit But Not Firefly????????" 'Why?' Simple. SCI-FI promoted the *HELL* out of Battlestar Galactica for the better part of a year before it aired, and it had and established fan base and a name known to many who weren't fans. Firefly got little to no promotion, and was shown out of order when it wasn't pre-empted. The results aren't surprising. (Lamentable, but not surprising.)

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Recognizer

    by DMented

    Well said, Recognizer. I didn't start out trying to bash the show OR piss off its fans. BELIEVE ME when I say I'm always ready for a good new sci-fi show. I'm going to watch the rest of the DVD set and no one hopes it blows me away more than me. Again, I "get" the concept of comic relief, and think it's one of Angel's strongest suits as a show. I just wasn't laughing on cue with the few Firefly episodes I've watched. Some tastes are acquired, and judging from some other posts, this may be one of them ... so not only will I watch the rest of the set, I'll probably watch it twice. Also, thanks for the suggested episodes. Nekkid chix always help. Peace.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 6:51 p.m. CST

    sarah michelle gellar's new book "i am not spock!"

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    this chick is making some of the worst career moves since that red haired dude from nypd blue. although i have to say eliza dukshu is kinda stupid to do the series she did this season instead of a "faith" spin off. firefly is a good example of why she shouldn't have done tru calling, since it is also on fox. fox doesn't support any series that needs to be watched regularly to be followed. the firefly box set is damn cool. i really hope joss gets another chance for this series.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Scrw that, if they can resurect Family Guy why not FUTURAMA?!?!?

    by Smeg For Brains

    Futurama is the best show Fox ever cancelled. They have done their fair share of cancelling great shows, but Futurama is the worst case of abusing a good, and well performing show, simply so they could cancel it. They just completely screwed Futurama at every oportunity, and it still managed to make it through four seasons, because it did well enough anyway. Imagine if they had actually tried to help the show rather than hurt it? It would definitely have lasted a long time.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 7:24 p.m. CST

    glad you're back, Herc

    by motormouth

    I missed your "Angel" updates. Hey, when's the next new episode? --LynnB.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah (Futurama)

    by motormouth

    Family Guy was thrice the show Futurama ever was -- woody allen in space, who needs it? Granted, FG was pretty raw in Seasons 1-2, but season three was showing some brilliantly wacky comic pretenses (that's a woman . . . that's a bee!) I can't wait for it to be on TV again! Salut

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Why was GSG a hit and Firefly not? Marketing!

    by SG7

    SciFi marketed the hell out of BSG. Wahtever your take on the show it was a hit becuase SciFi got butts in the seats and the ratings went UP on teh second night. So more viewers were watching as word spread. Meanwhile Fox totally screwed the pooch on Firefly. Why? Because theya re retards. At least they're going 720p in fall 2004 and ending this "fox widescreen" bullshit.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Smeg4Brains...

    by SG7

    ...I'm right there with ya man. We can get more "Family Guy" but not Futurama? That makes no fucking sense whatsoever. I don;t enjoy FG one bit, but my brother loves it (and Furturama). Tastes differ I guess. Again it all boils down to this well jnow fact: the people who run Fox are a bunch of fuckin' idtiots. They blow MILLIONS on a show like Firefly then do their best to ensure it fails. The per ep budget was on the order of $2mil. Plus the pilot. You're looking at an investment of about $30mil that was never given the chance to pay off. There is no vision at Fox beyond the next four weeks.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 8:11 p.m. CST

    I don't think BUFFY would have lasted more than one more season

    by FrankDrebin

    Whedon was involved less and less, the other actors were getting tired of it, the show wasn't getting any recognition, and the ratings weren't all that spectacular. What needs to happen is for Whedon's other projects to go nowhere, Dushku's show to tank, and Hannigan to get sick of pastry-related movies. Then the stage is set for: TALES OF THE SLAYERS. Each week, they will battle evil from their magic hot tub.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 10:48 p.m. CST

    forget about Buffy already

    by radjac29

    Lets start on "Fray". You can still use the whole slayer mythos and use the future setting of Firefly.

  • Dec. 17, 2003, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Sarah Michelle Caruso

    by Headless Roland

    SMG will be back in a TV series within two years after her movie career totally tanks. In like five years she'll be hanging out with Will Wheaton at Sci -Fi conventions and pose in Playboy to launch a comeback. Thats that with that.

  • Dec. 17, 2003, 1:20 a.m. CST

    OMG, SMG

    by Recognizer

    Friends, Romans, countrymen, please. Sarah was in a few cheezball movies (Dangerous Liasons, or Cruel Encounters or whatever... then she was also in something about magic food?) but as I recall, those weren't all dismal failures -- she was just on contract for Buffy more than not. Still, Buffy will not be an easily-eclipsed role so she'll probably need to go all Halle Berry and show us her stuff, or go the "disability" route that Tom Hanks and every other Oscar-hunter does. One way or another, she'll need to play severely against type in a general sense. If so, she won't necessarily go Caruso. ****************** That said, it's way too soon to bring Buffy back to Angel. Seventh season was so sanctimonious that I don't think any of us can take any more SMG. I'd rather see the characters of Willow, Giles, Xander, or Andrew show up more, personally. ****************** So I think keeping SMG from the Buffy-verse for another year or so is nothing but a good idea. For SMG, for the whole Angel show, and for our own tolerance level.

  • Dec. 17, 2003, 8:06 a.m. CST

    FIREFLY

    by radjac29

    i'LL Be iN My BuNK

  • Dec. 17, 2003, 10:28 a.m. CST

    you wanna see bad acting? check out the

    by Stoney-321

    3 ep in Season 1, BtVS: The Witch. Giles rails against Buffy becoming a cheerleader and SMG just flings her arms around while holding pom poms and stares stone faced the whole tirade. ANd not in a good "internalizing the anger way." more a "I am blessed and don't deserve this show because I play the emotion, and not that well" way. And anytime after season 5 she and JM whip their bodies around and let their arms radiate from their sides like my 2 year old. Reminds me everytime of the ending of Karate Kid 2 when the Japanese twist those drums in their hands with the strings and beads. How's THAT for random??? BTW: Action was the best show (IMO) that Fox cancelled. Sooooo funny.

  • Dec. 17, 2003, 10:32 a.m. CST

    firefly sold out

    by JackDonkey

    I went to Best Buy last night and they were sold out of the Firefly DVDs, so it sucked that I couldn't buy it but it's positive that it's selling out. And in case you're wondering I was going to buy it as a gift for my brother so that I could watch them all and still be able to say that Gina Torres is not in my DVD collection.

  • Dec. 17, 2003, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Should I buy Firefly?

    by WongSifu

    OK, here's a question for all you Firefly fans out there: I've never seen the show before but heard nothing but good things about it. I'm a really big fan of "space" shows and Whedon's work in general so I'm giving some serious thought to picking up the box. My only concern is that it was cut off so abruptly that the story arc never had time to develop (or so I've gathered from the conversations here), and I'd hate to buy something that's going to feel "unfinished" when it's, well, finished, if you catch my drift. Since I'm not someone who'd be getting it to remember the show and lament what it could have been as a lot of you guys seem to be doing, do you think it would be a worthwhile purchase? Thanks, any comments and suggestions are welcome. Cheers!

  • Dec. 17, 2003, 4:07 p.m. CST

    NewYorkKid- How can anyone get tired of Epoch, Alien Avenger, Sc

    by Big Bad Clone

    Still funny that "Firefly was too 'sci-fi' for the Sci-Fi channel". Sci-Fi needs to stick to what it does best: showing horror movies that contain no science and repeated airings of Viva Rock Vegas!

  • Dec. 17, 2003, 9:14 p.m. CST

    And for this alien, how about a butt crack right in the middle o

    by FelatioHornblowr

    It sounds funny but Firefly's lack of aliens almost felt like an original concept. It seems like every sci-fi movie/TV show involving space travel assumes as fact that in the future humans will have contact with intelligent alien life. Star Trek is okay, but it gets old seeing how each new alien species just has some different sort of forehead wrinkle but is otherwise human.

  • Dec. 17, 2003, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Buy Firefly today!

    by FelatioHornblowr

    In my opinion, Firefly had more character development in half a season than most other shows deliver in two or three seasons. The actors were mostly fantastic, each of them giving 100%. The only minor quibble I had about the show was that the actor playing the difficult but pivotal role of Malcolm Reynolds seemed slightly miscast. I could never really put my finger on it, but I think he would have made the character his own given time. Basically, Firefly was a refreshing departure from typical sci-fi series, and it will be missed. To anyone out there considering buying the DVD set: do it. If you like sci-fi, compelling characters, humor, adventure, suspense, whatever, this show's got it. I mean "had" it. Just get it. You'll like it.

  • Dec. 18, 2003, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Family Guy thrice the show that Futurama was?!?

    by Smeg For Brains

    Oh man there are just so many things wrong with that statement that it is impossible to talk about it. Family Guy was crude for the sake of being crude, and at it's best mildly amusing, but most often just boring, and derivative (like completely stealing and overusing the "quick cut short related scene" joke style that the Simpsons created and fully explored ten years before). Of course I understand that this is just my opinion, which is why I never said that they should bring back Futurama INSTEAD of Family Guy. It's not Futurama vs. Family Guy. Some geeks seem to need to set up shows they like as the enemy of another show, and then fight it out. I've liked enough shows that were cancelled to know not to wish someone elses favorite show to be killed, so I think it is great that they are bringing out Family Guy DVDs and everything. I just think that Futurama got a much more raw deal than any other Fox show in history, especially since it did so well with the poor treatment. If Fox had actually supported the show, and not intentionally tried to hurt it at every opportunity, they would have had a huge hit on their hands. But it was more important to kill it because of the incredible freedom (from their meddling) that it had due to it's contract, which was a result of the sway Matt Groening had from the success of the Simpsons. If their is one thing modern exectutives (you know the totally uncreative suit wearing asswipes who cancel every good creative show that comes around?) can't stand it's not being able to "improve" the shows on their network. This obsession with the ability to control the shows and run them into the ground surpasses even the desire to have a hit show. If a show became a it because the network had NO control over it's content then it would prove to everyone that the network execs are idiots who ruin everything they touch, and they would lose a lot of power.

  • Dec. 18, 2003, 8:47 a.m. CST

    amen, smeg

    by Recognizer

    Right fucking on. Family Guy and Futurama would work as a "block" -- a one-hour 10pm chunk on Saturday or Sunday Night, when geeks are at home trying to scrub the bad taste of the festering corpse of The Simpsons out of their head (though the surprisingly bleak, almost HBO-like "Arrested Development" is a step in that direction, and would likely mesh well with Family Guy). Anyway, Family Guy and Futurama, two shows funnier than TV seems to have a right to be these days, and Fox has it right in their hand, and they don't even begin to treat those shows intelligently until they're on DVD. Meanwhile, both shows get HUGE audiences on Comedy (or Cartoon or something, I can't remember which channel re-runs them 'cause I don't get those channels) and basically scream "MONEY FOR FOX". But Fox is too busy showing us "Most Extreme Wedding Accidents".

  • Dec. 18, 2003, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Being a royal geek, I bought Firefly after seeing RotK

    by GypsyTRobot

    And watched the pilot, which I hadn't seen before. I didn't think it was too talky or stale: it's definitely "dry", which I appreciate. Good stuff, everyone run out and buy the boxed set so that Fox will release new seasons direct-to-DVD. ha, I know it's not bloodly likely, but a retarded robot can dream.

  • Dec. 19, 2003, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Sarah?

    by cooper2000

    Buffy made you and now you wont go back??? Dont bite the hand that feeds you. Ungrateful!

  • Dec. 20, 2003, 11:22 p.m. CST

    I miss Buffy

    by BuffyKat

    I miss Buffy. And I'm from Australia so we don't have the episodes of Angel yet. I have nothing to keep me going except old repeats! :(

  • Jan. 11, 2004, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Fox and it's crappy line up

    by Kozmic_girl

    I totally agree with those of you who are sick of Fox and it's crappy reality show format. It has continuoulsy dropped shows like "Profit", "Brisco County" and most recently "John Doe" I am so sick of seeing ditzy women in bikinis and wanna be player men on Temptaion Island. Let's not even get into that oh so stupid show with Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie. They are definitly two little girls who missed out on their share of ass-whippins.