Dec. 13, 2003, 4:47 p.m. CST
tolkien and nobody else
Dec. 13, 2003, 4:47 p.m. CST
by George Newman
I dont want to read anymore reviews of this movie. There have been too many already. I'm going to see the movie and leave it at that.
Dec. 13, 2003, 4:52 p.m. CST
Its has come to an end.
Dec. 13, 2003, 5:16 p.m. CST
really...one of the better i've read in awhile from this site
Dec. 13, 2003, 5:18 p.m. CST
I really enjoyed that. Now I can stop polling the site every 15 minutes.
Dec. 13, 2003, 5:20 p.m. CST
to read a well written review for a change.
Dec. 13, 2003, 5:28 p.m. CST
by Mr. Ho Ho
I've realized that Moriarty is the reason I come to AICN any more.
Dec. 13, 2003, 5:42 p.m. CST
by drew mcweeny
Should I come to your house and hold your hand while you read so I can cover your eyes during the parts you don't want to see? I put a SPOILER WARNING on the article. I talk around the big spoilers more than I actually deal with them. I'm tired of people acting like babies because in a piece that is about the ENDING OF THE TRILOGY, I actually talked about the ENDING OF THE TRILOGY. Here's my personal invitation... don't read anything else I wrote if that was that big a deal to you. I'll get over it, and one day, so will you.
Dec. 13, 2003, 5:47 p.m. CST
and skipped ahead when the spoilers started exceeding what I already know. So, for what I read, a wonderful review! This, of course, has NOT helped my obsession. But only one thing will do that, and it's only 3 days away!
Dec. 13, 2003, 5:49 p.m. CST
"Actually, most of Denethor
Dec. 13, 2003, 5:49 p.m. CST
by Neon Jesus
Damn, Moriarty, you're still the best AICN has to offer. You walk the razor's edge of geekitude and orgasmicc tendencies (Harry) and the no nonsense, straight to the point writings for Capone or Quint and it works beautifully! I don't always agree with your views (I'm sure I will with RotK) but you always make your point in a way I cannot argue against. Bravo!
Dec. 13, 2003, 5:53 p.m. CST
That was a great review. Forget about the knockers, they probably whinge about Tolkien spoiling the ending of these movies by publishing hi book... C'mon guys, the story's been out for fifty years now. No real secret in the ending. Again, Moriarty, thanks for taking the time to think about the review before you wrote it. You have trimmed a lot of the emotional baggage and left us with the passion it inspired. I knew Harry's review would be over the top (he normally is) but your reviews are usually of a high, reliable (to me) standard. Thanks :)
Dec. 13, 2003, 6:32 p.m. CST
The ship has sailed,the Eye has gone dark,& Samwise has returned to the Shire.You call those spoilers? The ending isn't discussed in detail until at least 15 paragraphs in & is led up to for a minimum of 3 before that.Hmmm...if those are spoilers,tell you what,I'll give you a real spoiler for the ending of another set of movies.Ready?***SPOILER***In the next Star Wars movie,there's this guy named Anakin Skywalker & at the end of the film we find that he turns out to be none other than ....on second thought,I think I'll let it be a surprise for you.
Dec. 13, 2003, 6:44 p.m. CST
That review just cranked me up another insane notch.
Dec. 13, 2003, 6:55 p.m. CST
I need to see it NOW. oh yeah and don't forget people, Elijah Wood hosts SNL Tonight.
Dec. 13, 2003, 7:32 p.m. CST
by Ed McBain
Sean Astin is and forever will be... Mikey.
Dec. 13, 2003, 7:36 p.m. CST
I've seen fewer and fewer regulars and established posters in these talkbacks lately. They all seem to be replaced by a bunch of(I hate to use computer slang, but this time i'll make an exception) "newbs" taking potshots at little things that don't matter. Not to mention none of them seem to be all that into movies. And they all bitch about things that they shouldn't bitch about(SPOILED THE ENDING OF RETURN OF THE KING???? Like someone else said, thats like bitching about someone saying that Christ dies at the end of The Passion. I mean WHAT THE FUCK???!) If I didn't know any better i'd say it's just one guy with multiple accounts and some assumed superiority. You know, historians will probably look back on the 2000 election and the Iraq War and they will all come to a concensus that the truly saddest effect of both those thigns was how it ripped apart AICN. All the conservatives decided they didn't want to hear this liberal bullshit so they packed up and moved on to parts unknown. I can't blame them, no one wants to be surrounded by the other sides opinion and to be called idiots in the process. I've noticed in the days, weeks, and months that have passed after these things that a lot of the posters I enjoyed reading have taken leave of this site as a resuult. And it's really too bad. Am I just blowing this out of purportion or what? Oh yeah, great review Moriarty.
Dec. 13, 2003, 7:45 p.m. CST
... I'm a flawed human being for judging people so harshly, but anyone who doesn't like the LOTR films sucks outrageous quantities of bovine ass. It's bad, I know, but anyone who voluntarily states they dislike or were untouched by Jackson's films needs to be given a blanket party. You heinous, malodorous bastards! Good night.
Dec. 13, 2003, 7:46 p.m. CST
Go to rotten tomatoes and read a review for ROTK by Mark Ramsey from Moviejuice
Dec. 13, 2003, 7:57 p.m. CST
Now let's talk about some interesting projects...
Dec. 13, 2003, 8:28 p.m. CST
by Old Darth
Haven't seen it yet and you have nicely encapsulated my thoughts about this trilogy. I truly hope people will realize that they have just witnessed cinematic history. Here's hoping we don't have to wait another 20 years for something similar to come along.
Dec. 13, 2003, 8:30 p.m. CST
So Moriarity writes an eleganct, well-worded review of a movie, and managed to hold back from being specific on certain plot points, assuming, as he should, that not everyone has read the books, but also assuming, as makes sense, that these books have been out forever and many people probably already know -- and you're going to cry because apparently the word SPOILER wasn't in type big enough for you to notice? You're an idiot. I mean, seriously, a giant, rampaging baby. ANY time I read a movie review of ANY kind, I automatically assume I'm going to find out something about the movie that I didn't know. Caveat Emptor. Jesus, that really pisses me off to see someone put that much work into a review (and as someone else pointed out, no way am I reading Harry's after reading this one) and have some immense child cry about something that he should have been in charge of himself. You did great, M. This guy's a git.
Dec. 13, 2003, 9:18 p.m. CST
That was probably the best review I've ever read on this site. Thanks, Moriarty. In a few more days I'll be agreeing with you, I'm sure.
Dec. 13, 2003, 9:20 p.m. CST
Just sayin', is all.
Dec. 13, 2003, 9:22 p.m. CST
by Shit Dog
God damn. You and Nordling are like a pair of children who just came out of Disney MGM Studios in Florida and are going, "Daddy, daddy! I want to draw cartoons when I grow up!" I don't know why you geeks are so enthusiastic to make movies all of a sudden. I hope you all realise how shit they're going to be compared to your precioussss LOTR movies. Why should we, the audience, be subjected to your crap when there are good films out there we can see? Well, luckily I doubt we ever will be subjected to your crap since it'll never hit the screen. And a critic that can't review a film without giving away key plot points is no kind of critic, regardless of spoiler warnings. It is a tendency on this site to summarise the plot and add your comments along the way: that isn't a review, it's a commentary. This one wasn't McWeeny's worst, but he's done it many times in the past and he is over-reliant on divulging spoilers.
Dec. 13, 2003, 9:26 p.m. CST
Boy, no kidding about that Mark Ramsey review! As a student, I'm used to everyone I know making more money than me, but is that hump actually getting paid for what he does? If so, I'm studying the wrong thing.
Dec. 13, 2003, 9:40 p.m. CST
Dec. 13, 2003, 9:41 p.m. CST
by Movie Man
This is without question the single best-reviewed movie of the past decade. Even a lot of the anti-LOTR people who didn't care for FOTR or TTT (Sasha over at Oscarwatch, for example) are being awed and converted by ROTK. The ones who remain and hang around messageboards like this are scrambling to find a few remaining sour grapes to throw against the rushing onslaught of ROTK exultations, and it's getting ever more difficult for them to do so. By the way, anyone who thinks that "Last Samurai" is the year's best film instantly loses a great deal of credibility with myself, and no doubt with many others.
Dec. 13, 2003, 10:43 p.m. CST
Dec. 13, 2003, 10:45 p.m. CST
by xavier masterson
So can we accept that jackson's recent claims that the theatrical cuts are his preferred cuts of the film as spin and hyperbole for New Line's sake? Oh well, spin it all you want Mr. Jackson that the theatricals are the real cuts, you've earned the right, but the loving way the EE's are presented on dvd including the exhaustive amount of material detailing the incredible task of making these films show which cut the filmakers prefer and wish to show in the greatest of formats.
Dec. 13, 2003, 11:40 p.m. CST
Dec. 13, 2003, 11:42 p.m. CST
Frodo decides to leave the Shire for good and go on a boat to Grey Havens.....Well thats what the last two pages of my book say.
Dec. 13, 2003, 11:45 p.m. CST
what everybody really wants to know is what did harry think of the Garfield trailer!!!!
Dec. 14, 2003, 12:05 a.m. CST
Do you realize how dumb your fuckin post reads?
Dec. 14, 2003, 12:12 a.m. CST
The nicks were about what I expected from what I've heard from others; and based on what I know was cut, I feel fairly confident they'll be largely erased on the Extended Cut. Meanwhile it's hard to have sympathy for Spoiler Whiners when the damned book has been out for 50 years. I'm sure they'll be equally upset when you mention that Hector dies at the end when you do your TROY review.
Dec. 14, 2003, 2:04 a.m. CST
I almost peed my pants. Why do you geeks expend so much effort in attempting to actually construct declarative sentences? Everybody knows what you're going to say before you waddle into the theater.
Dec. 14, 2003, 2:11 a.m. CST
Interesting little article here entitled LORD OF THE RINGS: INSIDE THE REAL-LIFE DRAMA at http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/EdDesk.nsf/All/58477B6F60556378CA256DF10002C056
Dec. 14, 2003, 2:22 a.m. CST
by ol' painless
Now I'm going to have that damn tune running through my head all night.
Dec. 14, 2003, 2:23 a.m. CST
I can't see how Jackson could satisfy everyone's idea of how this series should have been. He made the film that satisfied his ideas, and even then with limitations and constraints he was operating under. It is therefore a real achievement that so many believe it to be a masterpiece. He has obviously listened to concerns raised after the first two parts came out, trying to get them right in the DVDs. He will do the same again. After all nobody can catch all the minor nuances, which later, after a lot of analysis by a lot of people, seem so obvious. So that is what the DVD is for. I just hope he is not so involved in Kong Kong by then, that he won't give it his full attention. This movie was the major reason for me to check AIC regularly. It will be very strange that it's no longer a focus for future expectations. I will treasure the experience.
Dec. 14, 2003, 2:56 a.m. CST
The films have been OK so far. I'll see about the last one... but by in far the series hasn't done much for me. Never has... never will... I suppose that makes me somewhat in the minority, but c'est la vie as they say.
Dec. 14, 2003, 3:06 a.m. CST
LAST SAMURAI is great for what it is, but it's sheer escapism. It's a great summer movie, moved to the fall and desperately trying to get "prestige" when there is none. It's a good movie, I agree, but it ain't no Best Picture. And I still can't get over the fact that in the real world the film would be about 30 minutes long and end with Cruise's head rolling on the forest floor, chopped off by Ken Watanabe. I liked LAST SAMURAI, but ROTK just wipes the floor with it in epic scale and sheer skill of storytelling. MASTER AND COMMANDER is the only film this fall/winter that I've seen that can hold a candle to ROTK.
Dec. 14, 2003, 3:41 a.m. CST
by darth unemployed
Good review. I personally dont like reviews from people that dont share any of my tastes. If Martha Stewart was a movie reviewer she would probably hate these movies and then who really gives a crap what her review said. But Moriarity is a bigger nerd than Ive ever been so....I will be seeing this movie opening day. Half of the fun of reading reviews on AICN is reading the comments following the review. It's hard to tell though if people are kidding or being serious when they get offended because there are 'too many newbies on the website'. Also, I seriously hope people drive better than they write because damn....
Dec. 14, 2003, 4:02 a.m. CST
Jesus. The whole "Legolas is gay LOL OMG WTF BBQ!!!11!" shit is really unfunny.
Dec. 14, 2003, 4:08 a.m. CST
by TheGinger Twit
Dec. 14, 2003, 4:15 a.m. CST
I cant wait for his review of Revolutions. Mor always find something I missed or didnt quite interpret right. Dont forget that movie Mor!!! Fernwick Keep up the great work!
Dec. 14, 2003, 4:35 a.m. CST
Hi folks! Okay-we all know tons of stuff was filmed that did not end up in the theatrical cut. I am putting together a petition to plead with New line to make the extended DVD as long as it needs to be. In other words, if they FILMED it, and its in the book, and it got cut, we want to see it. All of it. We have been waiting decdes to see these things brought to life, we know Jackson will do a great job, and most of us could not bear knowing it EXISTS and yet we want see it. 40 extra minutes is not sufficient! SOOOOOO here is what I ask! I am currently compiling a list of scenes that we have some evidence WERE filmed and yet WERE cut. I want to include these in the petition-along with an idea of how important fans rate these scenes. Can you sluths help me compile? I will have the petition ready a week after ROTK is released, after we have time to digest. Please send your "I know this exists but didn't see it and I want it" suggestions to my firstname.lastname@example.org. And if anyone has sharp ideas on how to go about this, let me know. It is not so important that I be in charge (as I am a busy PhD student) that it get done, as I know many people want it. This is not a "you screwed up, man" petition - but a way to let PJ know that we will not only tolerate, but salivate over an EE DVD with ALL those scenes we have been craving for-ever. Be a good Sam and help me out! -aelfgifu P.S. If anyone knows the best place to post petitions of this sort-let me know!
Dec. 14, 2003, 5:20 a.m. CST
...and you have a few thousand visual effects shots left. I guess we can skip those, though. And PJ didn't "announce" The Hobbit. He said he'd like to do it but the rights are in limbo.
Dec. 14, 2003, 6:12 a.m. CST
Ring destroyed at Mount Tikrit. Yeehaaawwww!.
Dec. 14, 2003, 7:01 a.m. CST
by Commando Cody
...translation: "For the third year in a row and just in time for Christmas, Harry's and my checks from New Line cleared and are already deposited."
Dec. 14, 2003, 7:29 a.m. CST
by TheGinger Twit
Dec. 14, 2003, 7:30 a.m. CST
by Commando Cody
...a fucking great day and kick ass emotional victory for our servicemen and women overseas, and the people of a new free Iraq. Can't wait to see the war crimes trial this fucking bastard will be put up for -- and his eventual execution, I'm sure. Meanwhile, back in the U.S, Howard Dean sits in a chair, sad and alone, nursing a drink as Al Gore calls to say "Gee, sorry about the endorsement I gave you this week. Guess I AM the kiss of death in Presidential elections. Hey, did you ever see ALIENS? To quote Bill Paxton, Game over, man. GAME OVER!"
Dec. 14, 2003, 8 a.m. CST
That Body-Double has more leaves than blah-ba-blah-blah-blah. PLANT!
Dec. 14, 2003, 8:07 a.m. CST
I guess all the hippies and others who wouldn't stand up to tyranny are saddened by the news of Saddam's capture. All the NEGATIVE party can do now is hope the economy tanks or else Bush wins 40+ states...
Dec. 14, 2003, 8:17 a.m. CST
by Big Dumb Ape
LMAO!!! Gee, Cody, thanks a lot -- now I'm gonna have Bill Paxton's voice in my head all day saying that. Or worse, I'll be imagining Al Gore doing HIS immitiation of Bill Paxton...which would have to be pretty lame ass, since Paxton said the line emotionally and Gore emotes all the passion of a fucking rock. But congrats to our forces overseas, you guys rock and kick ass! Thanks for defending us and fighting the good fight. USA! Fuck yeah! We TOTALLY kick ass! Meanwhile, off in France, Chirac is cursing another Bush victory and is left once again looking like the spineless, cowardly, unprincipled cocksucker we always knew him to be...
Dec. 14, 2003, 8:25 a.m. CST
AP reports Saddam was watching Peter Jackson's Return of the King when captured. 'Too many endings' he was quoted as saying before been taken away.
Dec. 14, 2003, 8:46 a.m. CST
Dean, Clark, Gephardt, Sharpton, etc..... Remember Saddam gassed his own people. He gassed Iranians. He terrorized Kuwait. Now the only thing he'll gas is his butt-buddy cell mate...
Dec. 14, 2003, 8:46 a.m. CST
But it should be on the Invasion of Iran: Extended Edition. "The battle for Iraq is over. The battle for Middle-East is about to begin. All our hopes now lie with two little Presidents. Somewhere in the White House."
Dec. 14, 2003, 9:03 a.m. CST
by Aragorn II
should just look at this whole Saddam capture thing. "Operation Red Dawn." Wolverine teams 1 and 2. Patrick Swayze's gotta be feeling pretty good this morning.
Dec. 14, 2003, 9:07 a.m. CST
That was trully well put you are a great lover of the films the richness and heart you put into this reveiw comes across to us great tolkien fans well it did to me anyway.I've not seen the film yet but i know what to expect but i like how jackson puts in a few new things for us lotr readers the first too films were fantastic the first was that little better i liked how he did the chracter building for people who had not read the six lotr books.Middle earth is a wonderfull,happy,sad,dark and a magnificent english myth and thats why we love it and to see it live is great.Thanks to MR.Jackson and all his team on what looks like to be the greatest films to hit the big screens ever and i'm so glad it happend in my life time once agian thanks.
Dec. 14, 2003, 9:09 a.m. CST
And here he was dressed up as a hybrid of Orson Welles and Laurence Oliver the whole time....go figure. Well, maybe now all this idiotic liberal vs. conserative bile can tone itself down and we can chill for a bit.
Dec. 14, 2003, 9:17 a.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2003, 9:36 a.m. CST
by Commando Cody
I was so excited by the news, I hadn't even put the names together that way. Thanks for pointing that out. You're right, Patrick Swayze AND Charlie Sheen et al. are probably gonna be wearing some seriously wicked "eat my shit" grins today.
Dec. 14, 2003, 10:16 a.m. CST
Neither is the book, actually, and I remember when reading them when I got to RotK I thought, "What king are they talking about?" Of course I knew, but it certainly struck me as an odd title. But the same could be (and is) said of The Two Towers. And it all comes down to the fact that this is one book (or one movie) called The Lord of the Rings. And, the second and third books/movies have terrible titles. Another point I wanted to make is that I always thought Viggo was miscast as Aragorn, and that along with Elijah being miscast as Frodo were two of the larger mistakes (read: dumbing down) in casting this movie. Aragorn should be middle aged and weathered like stone. Viggo is too much of a heart throb. And Elijah is too young as well.
Dec. 14, 2003, 10:19 a.m. CST
Good christ! Thank God _somebody_ here on this New Line-bought-and-paid-for site finally let loose with some criticism. Now before the flames begin, I'm sure it's great, I expect it, but I _knew_ the crutch of the extended editions would bite them in the ass. I'm glad someone admittted that, in a roundabout way. Make your film for the theatres, period. Don't make a trunicated version for the theatres, and the "real" version for video. Cheers to Jackson, Jeers to AICN for not printing the one or two bad reviews they _must_ have gotten.
Dec. 14, 2003, 10:20 a.m. CST
by TheGinger Twit
Dec. 14, 2003, 10:25 a.m. CST
Osama Bin Ladin remains uncaptured.
Dec. 14, 2003, 11:14 a.m. CST
You know, I don't really like him. But since a libertarian candidate could never win, such joy as I can possibly experience at election time comes from watching liberals get upset. I expect to laugh and laugh this year. Oh, joy.
Dec. 14, 2003, 11:52 a.m. CST
If he was found hiding in a hole full of weapons of mass destruction.
Dec. 14, 2003, 12:15 p.m. CST
I take back some of the things I said about Bush!
Dec. 14, 2003, 12:17 p.m. CST
You're pretty biased yourself
Dec. 14, 2003, 12:38 p.m. CST
****Possible Spoilers. I'm not sure, I haven
Dec. 14, 2003, 12:45 p.m. CST
But I think it's insane that one man can care so much for one group of people and yet won't go to bat for other countries. And I based my statement about you being biased on your description on things would be if liberals were running the show. I could go on but even though I didn't support this war this is a great day and I don't want to detract from that. Congratulations to our armed forces, and with some reservations, congratualtions to the Bush administration. Now we wait to see what happens with the WMD.
Dec. 14, 2003, 12:51 p.m. CST
I think Viggo is good as Aragorn,but yes he could have been a bit more weather-bitten and a bit less mellow.You know who would have been better?mr.Daniel Day Lewis.He's got some force in him that fellow.Frodo could have been a bit older too,i agree.Wood looks the part but he does give that poor-defensless-deer look way too much.Gandalf,Bilbo,Pippin and Merry,and Boromir and Eomer,they were all just about perfect.And the music by Shore is a terrible bore.If only Hedningarna had done the soundtrack you would have seen how the music could really have moved the movie.Great review from Moriarty,from Harry also.----------------and its just incredible how gullible some of you people are,no wonder you get to have that genius Bush as a president.Some people actually believe that Saddam was attacked because he was a murderous tyrant?So Bush and Blair's friendship with the president of Uzbekhistan,who boils folks who doesnt agree with him,makes perfect sense right?Some people seem to enjoy being brainwashed.
Dec. 14, 2003, 1:27 p.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2003, 1:53 p.m. CST
Gore once again proves to be box office poison, endorsing far left wing nut Dean at the perfect time. For if someone like Dean were in charge, Saddam would still be in power today. Bush/Chaney in 2004.
Dec. 14, 2003, 2:13 p.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2003, 2:35 p.m. CST
Depp is great but his a bit skinny for a hobbit,isnt he? Hey Dolfan,i'm just teasing these young republicans...on the other hand,check out:http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Mar2002/020313-D-2987S-101.html....and you might want to read about this nice man Karimov
Dec. 14, 2003, 3 p.m. CST
Depp would have been a good Legolas methinks.
Dec. 14, 2003, 3:19 p.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2003, 3:19 p.m. CST
Where do you get 2 million from? It was about 250000 Iraqis that were killed by the Baathist party between 1969-2001. Meanwhile... 1.5 million Iraqis were killed by US led bombing and sanctions between 1990-2001.
Dec. 14, 2003, 3:22 p.m. CST
This is some funny shit... http://homepages.nyu.edu/~scs273/01.mov
Dec. 14, 2003, 3:24 p.m. CST
LotR, per Tolkien, was meant to be one volume devided into 7 books. Houghton Mifflin actually releases the 7-book edition, and I proudly own it. The titles are, in order: The Ring Sets Out The Ring Goes South The Treason of Isengard The Ring Goes East The War of the Ring The End of the Third Age Appendices On the EE DVD's, it is noted at several points that the original title of RotK was The War of the Ring. While they ultimately changed it to suit the fans, I think The War of the Ring is a much better title. You have to remember that Tolkien never liked the 3-book solution anyway, and his original, prefered titles are those of the 7 individual books. As such I think PJ could have made a very strong arguement to stick to those titles. But it really isn't that important in either case.
Dec. 14, 2003, 3:30 p.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2003, 3:57 p.m. CST
by tango fett
I CANNOT WAIT FOR ROTK! AGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, I want a Revolutions review from Mori. That'd be nice. F*ck you Saddam!
Dec. 14, 2003, 4:06 p.m. CST
No No,I love Depp,he's the best,but Bilbo even more than Frodo needs to be of a more portly type.Ian Holm was perfect,he could even do this with a "young" makeup as somebody said.Kenneth Brannagh might do i guess.No,Depp is like Orlando Bloom,light and elfish.He could do a cool king of Mirkwood...and i bet he would have been a pretty fine Smeagol too.
Dec. 14, 2003, 4:31 p.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2003, 4:41 p.m. CST
by FD Resurrected
Saddam's capture is great news for the Iraqi population who suffered under the oppression and brutality of the regime, but expect U.S.'s call for the world domination as the sole superpower. The nation and world will be doomed when Bush gets re-elected so either we support him and his cronies' black-and-white vision of "our way or the highway" or we liberals, Greens, socialist libertarians, left-wing independents, etc get name-called from everywhere as traitors, commie pinkos and tyrant lovers. U.S. is the modern equivalent of the Roman Empire, and we need the real-life Aragorn who cares about the PEOPLE, the CITIZENS, not a sycophant to the higher powers-that-be and the plutocrats - to restore the dignity and liberty to the nation that's basically fucked over for power and money instead of protecting civil liberties, defending human rights, nurturing health of the economy, advocate fair trading, and the Constitution. 9/11 is a great opportunity for the U.S. to accelerate its neocon agenda and impose its warhawks' view of the foreign policy on the world while kissing right-wing Israel and Zionists' ass. The Project for a New American Empire - http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&issue=soj0309&article=030911 I mourn for the passing of the U.S. when it finally slides into fascism as prophetized by General Tommy Franks http://www.prisonplanet.com/120803doomsdayscenario.html
Dec. 14, 2003, 5:07 p.m. CST
by The Llama
Given that Tolkien was an Oxford don and spent his life as an academic, writing articles on philology as well as his hobby of LoTR, what exactly would possess Moriarty to describe him as an untrained writer without any knowledge of how to formally structure something? I liked the review, Moriarty, but seriously--do you not know much about Tolkien the man?
Dec. 14, 2003, 5:07 p.m. CST
"Yeah, I'll take 'Signs you're a big LOTR freakboy' for $200, Alex."
Dec. 14, 2003, 5:08 p.m. CST
I guess you
Dec. 14, 2003, 5:10 p.m. CST
And I don't mean to slam Viggo, who (from the DVDs) seems to be quite a cool and unique fellow. Actually, Viggo would have made a better Faramir - sober, humble, and wise. Tolkien wrote that Faramir most closely resembled him out of all of the characters he created. A sad fact given the way Jackson & co. betrayed the character of Faramir in even more "dumbing down" of the story.
Dec. 14, 2003, 5:27 p.m. CST
And Frodo is more like an Everyman. He should be (or have been) played by a very average looking and acting actor. The kind of actor we don't know about because he wouldn't be a celebrity...
Dec. 14, 2003, 5:29 p.m. CST
I mean not acting like he is high most of the time... Someone who is capable of playing the character "straight."
Dec. 14, 2003, 5:33 p.m. CST
Good review, at least it was for me. Sounded objective enough and well written. Thanks for writing this up, Moriarty. ----I know this is a minor minor issue, but Elijah Wood was hired for Frodo at 18. Frodo recieved the Ring at his coming of age, i.e, Hobbit equivalent of 18. The Ring stops the aging of its bearer. So naturally an 18 year old playing a 50 year old character is the way to go if the character stopped aging at the Hobbit equivalent of 18. I'm sure it could be argued that Elijah wasn't the right Frodo, but his age is in perfect keeping with how old Frodo should appear. ----Someone said that realistically, Frodo would have kept the Ring or given it to someone else. I must argue one and leave the other alone, for the most part. The one I'll argue is giving it to someone else...only two creatures in the entirety of the history of the One Ring gave it up of their own accord, and they were Sam and Bilbo...Bilbo managed because Sauron hadn't put forth his power to find it, and that he came into his bearing of the Ring with an honorable act. Sam gave it up out of love and plain old-fashioned Hobbit sense. The whole deal, of course, is it's a magic evil ring. Of COURSE it's not going to be "realistic" since there are no magic evil rings. But given the context of the story, giving that One Ring up is *hard*. On the other hand, keeping it... (makes biting motions at her finger)... -----Now I have to wait until ~22nd to seeeeeee thiiiiiis! ARGGHH!!
This is probably the best review. Logical enough to state the films flaws, but emotional enough to admit that this movie is best left without nitpicking.
Dec. 14, 2003, 6:33 p.m. CST
First, although the hobbit "coming of age" is 33, this is a cultural difference, not a biological one. Hobbits are basically short humans, with similar lifespans, and should therefore age accordingly. A 50 year old hobbit should look roughly like a 50 year old human. Secondly, Frodo didn't use the ring until the quest began, so he would have aged until then...
Dec. 14, 2003, 6:40 p.m. CST
by Sith Witch
Isn't it a hoot how anytime the Narnian Chronicles are mentioned, everyone attacks the entire series as being Christian propaganda (even though they are only familiar with one book out of seven- The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe)?. That one book is really the only one to have Christian allegory, and even then it is NOWHERE near as blatant as it is in the Matrix series! In my opinion, the Narnian series is a much stronger story, and people should not be fooled into thinking it is a mere children's series. It is as dark as Harry Potter, if not a lot darker. With all its battles, demons, and orcs, it could be depicted just as "adult" as the Lord of the Rings...
Dec. 14, 2003, 6:47 p.m. CST
FD says : "U.S. is the modern equivalent of the Roman Empire." Ha ha ha ha ha I love ignorant and stupid fucks that make inane comments like this. Yes beware all; soon the US will invade your Country as well we do it for fun! How about we give Saddam his own private island to rule and you and Michael Moore can be its first inhabitants, then you will have the great pleasure living under his just rule and be able to perform as many rimjobs on him and Michael Moore as your little heart desires. In the meantime the US will slowly take over the rest of the world as that, as you have so cleverly discovered, is our ultimate goal (I just can't wait till Icelands is ours!). FD go back to sniffing glue, you're better at that.
Dec. 14, 2003, 6:49 p.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2003, 7:02 p.m. CST
I just meant that the coming-of-age age was due to culteral differences. The Old Took only lived to 130, so assuming that is extraordinarily old for a hobbit, that is only 15 - 20 years longer than an extraordinarily old human. If we were to take the fraction of longest lived human to longest lived hobbit, we'd see that 33 hobbit years corresponds to approximately 28 human years.
Dec. 14, 2003, 7:04 p.m. CST
Hi Moriarty, as much as I appreciate your reviews in general, some comments in your latest review of ROTK left me a bit aghast. "Thank you to J.R.R. Tolkien for being an untrained writer who didn
Dec. 14, 2003, 7:08 p.m. CST
That was a damn good review sir. I can hardly wait to see that badboy.
Dec. 14, 2003, 7:19 p.m. CST
In a hole in the ground there lived a dictator. A nasty dirty wet hole filled with the ends of worms and a oozy smell. It was Saddam
Dec. 14, 2003, 7:21 p.m. CST
Any momentum from this will be forgotten by then (for fucks sake, we've only been in Iraq for half a year).
Dec. 14, 2003, 7:23 p.m. CST
Decisions, decisions, I know....
Dec. 14, 2003, 7:48 p.m. CST
by Sith Witch
I love LOTR a lot. I was just stating that I think the Narnian Chronicles are better, and that I am looking forward to them that much more, after seeing what has been done with Middle Earth. Why do you have to pick one or the other, they are both great...
Dec. 14, 2003, 8:11 p.m. CST
by A 30+ User
can't see myself getting excited for fantasy films for a lon lon lon time. it reads and looks to be the best film of the year
Dec. 14, 2003, 8:19 p.m. CST
I'm sure there will be many future filmmakers out there who will be inspired to make great things because of these films.
Dec. 14, 2003, 9:01 p.m. CST
by Commando Cody
He says you need to come in RIGHT away tomorrow because he needs to UP your shock therapy treatments. Yeah, he was surfing the web, came across your delusional posts here, and instantly realized the synapses in your pitiful ass-backwards brain aren't sparking enough juice to form an actual thought...
Dec. 14, 2003, 9:02 p.m. CST
by Miami Mofo
To join the Sauronosaurus/Talimon chorus, J.R.R.T. wrote a book titled 'The Lord of The Rings' which was then divided into three by the editors. And with New Line's decision to make three films there was no way that P.J. could re-name them, even though the name "Return of the King" does not fully represent the whole story. But thanks for a well written and well thought-out review. ***I thoroughly enjoyed watching 'The Two Towers-EE' on the big screen Saturday. Boromir at Osgiliath is even more awesome than on the EE-DVD. Oh yeah, the theatre was packed!
Dec. 14, 2003, 9:35 p.m. CST
by Gere's AssGerbil
1.5 million Iraqis, indeed! Out of whose imagination did you pluck that figure, Paddingtion? And, Phantasm, you disappoint me. You're astute observations were gradually elevating you to hero status in recent days, but now this? Letting yourself get sucked into the Democrat vs. Republican mindset is folly, although it does help sell newspapers. Anyway, I seriously doubt Bush gets reelected, but that's okay. Right now, he's the man. He has finally completed what his father began. Bush will go down in history as the dude who took down one of the world's greatest evils at the turn of the millenium. Let's just hope Howard "The Hippie" Dean isn't the Dems' nominee. What a tool! **** In regards to ROTK, I can't wait. Maybe in the EE we'll see the footage with an unkempt, bearded Sauron hiding down in hole after his ring gets melted and his orcs get bitchslapped.
Dec. 14, 2003, 10:08 p.m. CST
I M sooo proud 2BN Amerikan cuz like we found some crazy guy in a mudhole. BushRulezU! Errr... Or maybe all the dumbfuck rightwing hicks on here can start actually thinking about how this *actually matters* to anyone but the families of the Iraqis who were murdered by the old regime. (And don't bother trying to sound like you give a shit about them, 'cause none of you dirtbags seemed too concerned about the *civilian* body count (7935-9766 as of 03.12.14) due to our invasion in any of your previous posts.) Saddam was certainly a piece of shit, but to watch you turds turn this into some kind of 'victory' when ObL is still loose is like watching a puppy eat its own, steaming shit. It thinks it's great, but you know just how stupid and gross it really is being. In summary: we captured a sleep-deprived idiot. Yay. Now, how about we capture ObL? Then you can rant about hippies all you want. In the meantime, enjoy those shit-eating grins you're wearing with such pride; just don't be too surprised when you wake up hung over, embarassed and wondering whether you deleted all those incriminating .jpegs.
Dec. 14, 2003, 10:28 p.m. CST
I need to see this Spider-Man II teaser trailer.
Dec. 14, 2003, 10:28 p.m. CST
...That Elijah is the youngest actor and plays the oldest Hobbit. Anyway, my impression has always been that Hobbits matured slower (as was mentioned, about the tweens) and since they lived to a hundred as often as not, they do have numerous biological differences from Men, not all of which are as obvious as height and foot fur. ----Also, used or not, just possessing the One Ring was enough to stop (or at least slow) Frodo's aging, as the Hobbits noticed that he was following Bilbo in his showing signs of being well preserved, which was apparently Hobbit-talk for 'not aging'. Doesn't matter really, as I said, minor point...I just thought it rather interesting and a kinda neat bit that they picked an actor that would look as young as Frodo should (to me; obviously not to everyone...it's on the order of filming Legolas walking on snow to me, a very minor detail that I found a delightful tidbit). One way or another, if nothing else, Elijah is very nearly the mirror of my Frodo, excepting mine has brown eyes and he isn't quite as adept at angsting theatrically. ----And I'll just blink and stare stupidly at the suggestion that the rest of the Chronicals of Narnia aren't heavily Christian, then just say that the rest simply aren't as obvious as The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. Wish to tread carefully, I does...
Dec. 14, 2003, 10:32 p.m. CST
With OBL dead from either having 20 tons of rock fall on his head or his kidney's finally failing (hard to get treatment in a cave, eh, dumbfuck?), and with Saddam now safely in custody, what will the new talking points of the libs be? I'm sure that idiot Michael Moore will enlighten the masses with his bullshit soon enough!
Dec. 14, 2003, 10:42 p.m. CST
by Lord HenryWotton
ok, well first time posting, but NARINIA RULES !!! LOTOR is great too but i grew up with narnia back in europe so... and you know what, who cares about hussein ???? BRING OUR TROOPS BACK HOME !!! STOP SPENDING MILLIONS ON THIS POINTLESS WAR !!! INVEST THIS MONEY INTO THE US ECONOMY TO MAKE NEW JOBS, FEED THE POOR, PROVIDE MORE HEALTHCARE AND IMPROVE THE EDUCATION SYSTEM. thank you.
Dec. 14, 2003, 11:16 p.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2003, 11:26 p.m. CST
Ummmm... it's not an imagined figure. It's a count that has been tallied by the UN.
Dec. 14, 2003, 11:40 p.m. CST
Although not as much as I have been anticipating Lotr. LotR (book) is something I've managed to love more as I grow, understanding it better and gaining new insights on Tolkien's created universe. Narnia didn't last as long for me, unfortunately. I still love the books, but the subtexts which I could ignore as a child can't be pushed away by my adult reading mind. ---- Regarding bashing one or the other, however. Lewis wasn't attempting to do the same thing Tolkien did; he didn't want to or need to, either. He had his own reasons for writing Narnia, and we don't need to compare the two. They aren't comparable except in the broadest of terms. So let's not, except in hoping that the new films will be at least as well done as LotR. (of course, if you hate LotR, this last sentence would need to be modified. Of course, if you hate LotR, what're you doing still reading this board?)
Dec. 15, 2003, 12:10 a.m. CST
As Chris Rock used to say, "Good Lawd!" Octavius hurling cars and scaling buildings....they actually made the CGI tentacles look and move pretty realistic, which is a shock to me.
Dec. 15, 2003, 12:18 a.m. CST
by my name is cory
Brilliant review. Only makes me want to see the conclusion that much more(as if that was possible.) Fantastic set of movies, each and every frame of this trilogy drips with love and devotion. Tricksy little hobbitsis. Thanks to the entire crew for something magnificant. I will now read the entire set of books for the first time. Love cory
Dec. 15, 2003, 12:37 a.m. CST
Obviously I can't make you shut up, but y'know, shut up. Seriously. Good for you that the Matrix trilogy sucked. Now you and every other closed-minded, pompous franchist in the dark corners of the world can call me closed-minded for not porking Fran Walsh.
Dec. 15, 2003, 12:47 a.m. CST
You are a rascist. You disgust me.
Dec. 15, 2003, 1:01 a.m. CST
by Commando Cody
That IS what the bleeding left wants (and I say bleeding because today they took a massive wound to any hope of winning in '04). They WOULD just up and leave right now -- hell, they're already ADVOCATING it. These guys don't know if they're coming or going, and THANK GOD they're not in charge. And even if Bush said "Fine, I'll do it your way. We'll leave right now", I guarantee you that in the week that followed -- when all hell broke loose and (as you said) there was no stabilization authority -- they'd instantly turn right around and say "Well, what the fuck did you listen to us for?! Now its a mess again! See, you can't do anything right! Everyone knows to not listen to us! But that's why we should be in power, because we can't make up our minds!" I mean, FUCK, the liberal left is so fucking clueless it's enough to burst your brain. Did you see Senator Biden on the news this morning? He was literally fawning all over the news -- not to congratulate the military or even grudgingly acknowledge Bush had achieved a major victory -- but instead all he was going on about was "Well NOW would be a great time for the President to go overseas and suck Jaques Chirac's dick and say he's sorry! Because we really NEED France desperately! We're nothing without them as an ally." I swear, these guys have NO FUCKING CLUE. Yeah, Bush should go over to see Chirac and whip it out...to piss on him for being such a cocksucking, manipulative weasel who sold out the NATO alliance and tried to divide it, just to further his own grab for power.
Dec. 15, 2003, 1:18 a.m. CST
But wow, golly gee, you sure showed me! If you don't want divination of character on the talkbacks, you got it: in the meantime, stop perpetuating this franchist bullshit. What the hell is the point of telling us that the Matrix came and went with its leather-bound hack a sad symbol of its feebleness? I hate that kind of behavior, and last time I checked, behavior does not mean character.
Dec. 15, 2003, 1:21 a.m. CST
"Sir PJ" probably gives less than a rat's ass about whether or not the Matrix is proportionately less deserving of the money it takes in than the movies he directed, yet the philosophy of the man who some of you think was brilliant enough to make David Lean look silly and reinvent Elijah Wood as the next Peter O'Toole goes ignored for your chance to indulge in schadenfreude.
Dec. 15, 2003, 1:27 a.m. CST
Seriously, I'm looking forward to it. And the multiple endings thing retooled: never count out the workmanship of a crew that introduced about 6 characters in 20 minutes in FotR and made it seem seamless.
Dec. 15, 2003, 2:02 a.m. CST
See y'all in a couple of weeks, by which time I hope there will be a movie or two to type about...
Dec. 15, 2003, 2:14 a.m. CST
but some of you people make me blush with embarassment. Sheesh. Does the only argument you sad little shits know happen to be the strawman tactic. Why the total fucking lack of civility?
Dec. 15, 2003, 2:21 a.m. CST
Do the LOTR films really deserve to be put in the pantheon of cinema's greatest acheivments? Source material aside, aren't these movies just mainstream Hollywood studio blockbusters? Peter Jackson certainly is a gifted and clever director, but he doesn't explore the full potential of the medium the way Kubrick did or David Lynch does. The visual effects in the movies are massive and the melodrama runs thick, but these films are jsut bigger servings of what audiences have come to expect as opposed to genuine innovation.
Dec. 15, 2003, 4:42 a.m. CST
Moriarty, your review brought me to tears. Very poignant and gratifying, to say the least. I didn't care that I read more touches of spoilers. I hung onto every word you expressed in utter awe. It was probably the most heart-felt review I've ever read (you are right that letting it 'sink in' made a world of difference). I've been trying to come to terms with the fact that ROTK is the end of the LOTR movies, and I love that you weren't afraid to show the dramatic weight this end has brought to you. I am one of those people who grew up knowing the stories (though I hadn't read them until the movies became such an obsession for me). I had this idea of what the stories were like from the animated version, as well as the animated 'Hobbit', and from my parents' glorified memory of reading the books in the 60's. It was all fun... that is until I saw FOTR. I was so moved by it, I could not grasp it. I somehow talked myself out of seeing TTT in the theatre! Once I got TTT on DVD, I finally got my head around the story with rabid obsession. With the books and multiple viewings, I now understand, and I love every minute of the films. When you said the movies 'will have reached into the real world and sent someone out on a real quest, a great adventure, and we
Dec. 15, 2003, 4:49 a.m. CST
Yes, you are a rascist and I don't need to know much about you personally to see it in your manner of dropping such bilious f
Dec. 15, 2003, 8:04 a.m. CST
...and that video of Saddam, no matter how evil the fucker is, is a breach of the 3rd Geneva convention, especially article 13. Funny thing, since the U.S. so vigorously protested the display of their soldiers on Al Jazeera, claiming the very same reason.
Dec. 15, 2003, 8:37 a.m. CST
by Commando Cody
...I'm sure as fuck more concerned about protecting the "rights" of a deposed despot who is actually responsible for ordering the deaths of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people, not to mention has the blood of American soldiers on his hands from 2 Gulf Wars AND who fiscally supported anti-western terrorist factions. And by the way, it's NOT a violation of the Geneva convention -- in fact, Saddam hasn't been categorized a prisoner of war, legally he's already been labeled a "detainee" (like the cocksucker terrorists being held in Cuba) which puts him in an entirely different category and thus rescinds certain rights. But that aside, even if you want to take the Geneva argument, there was still no violation as he wasn't "paraded" for news organizations NOR (and far more importantly) he wasn't shown as being MISTREATED the way American soldiers have previously been shown on film (which is why we raised such a stink in the past). What, you and the Geneva fucks have a problem showing Saddam receiving MEDICAL ATTENTION? Yeah, you're right -- that's soooooo evil and ominious looking! And to think he deserves so much better treatment. You know, I'd say pull your brain out of ass, but apparently you shitted it out long ago leaving you utterly clueless.
Dec. 15, 2003, 8:43 a.m. CST
by Commando Cody
...would be parading Bin Laden on TV too. And what would top either of those? Getting to watch both of these assholes executed on pay TV so me and some friends could get together, throw a party, scarf pizzas and beer, and then let out a loud cheer when these 2 human stains get sent to Hell where they belong.
Dec. 15, 2003, 9:14 a.m. CST
Just like I assume the movie will be. Hasn't this been an amazing trip?
Dec. 15, 2003, 9:45 a.m. CST
Nice post among some of this hate filled pig ignorant trash sixot30. (Note, not referring too any of the off topic heated political debate going on here). I know when a movie is really something special when it can affect people in the way that it has. Shame about what got cut, but I'm happy about it. I never wanted this trilogy to come to an end, and knowing I have another year to anticipate the extended box set will keep a big smile on my face. I also haven't read the books yet, so my journey into the LOTR has only just begun.
Dec. 15, 2003, 10:33 a.m. CST
You know what's amazing hering all these liberal fuckwit talkbackers going on about how the us supplied saddam and backed him etc. Yet last time I checked the biggest suppliers of military euipment to the fucker was RUSSIA, FRANCE CHINA in that order. And lets not forget that it was the frog fuckers who tried to give him anuke reactor, unitl the isrealies blew the fucker up.
Dec. 15, 2003, 11:11 a.m. CST
But it will be. When Star Wars first came out, it received incredibly mixed reviews from critics. now its considered to be one of the greatest movies ever. all of the LOTR films have been praised by the majority of critics. imagine what people will think of them 20 years from now.
Dec. 15, 2003, 12:27 p.m. CST
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Dec. 15, 2003, 1:49 p.m. CST
by Gere's AssGerbil
I'm gonna sleep better at night knowing that Saddam is no longer a threat. Since Bush took all the flack for the invasion in the first place, he deserves the credit when the job is done. The good guys won for once. True, there is a cost to victory and it is still growing every day. I wish there was a way to ensure our security without the loss of innocent lives. Personally, as a selfish American I feel it is worth the cost and I know three Iraqis over here who feel the same. But I hope that the people living in Iraq also feel it is worth the cost. I'm not a Republican, I may or may not vote for Bush in 2004, but I think the man deserves credit for this victory.
Dec. 15, 2003, 4:52 p.m. CST
The US is one of them "Geneva Fucks" We signed it waaaaay back.
Dec. 15, 2003, 5:29 p.m. CST
packing the picnic backpack for Trilogy Tuesday! Lembas anyone?
Dec. 15, 2003, 5:38 p.m. CST
by Pontsing Barset
... "I find the ones that make the "Best Picture" statement for ROTK blindly usually are 32 year old nerds...that eat gold fish crackers...do tech support for a living...that wore a winger shirt back in high school and had pin-ups of She-Ra on their wall". WTF?! Pretty free with the stereotypes there don't you think junior? I've seen "Last Samurai": Pretty pictures and decent battle set pieces. It doesn't have ANYTHING else going for it, erm, except for the great Ken Watanabe, who is pretty much wasted in this rather imbecilic rewrite of Japanese history anyway. Cruise is good at chewing up scenery and that's about it.
Dec. 15, 2003, 5:53 p.m. CST
Sure, he was horrible over there, but what did your imagination dream up that he could possibly do to harm you in your warm bed in suburb outside of Cleveland? I'm glad he's gone, but if there's anyone who's a possible threat to making your life miserable it's Bush and his ilk.
Dec. 15, 2003, 6:13 p.m. CST
In order to read M's review you must have seen the little pic on top of the heading that you clicked on to get here, you know the one I mean don't you?.. the one that said in white bold type "SPOILERS" on a red background.. the one that in so many words says "hey! for those of you who don't want to read a spoiler ridden review, don't click here".. Don't like the fact that you found out the ending of the film? Bad fucking luck, try paying attention next time, so you don't bitch and moan because you know the ending of a film before you see it. Eat shit and kill yourselves...
Dec. 15, 2003, 7:28 p.m. CST
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ See the guy on the left? Look familiar?
Dec. 15, 2003, 10:39 p.m. CST
But if the rest of this talback community embraces you simply because you, like them, trumpet the merits of these movies, then I've lost all faith in the system. At least I'm not so overblown that I don't read responses from anyone else because I automatically assume everything that comes out of my mouth is right and that I can't learn anything from anyone. So if you think it's funny stuff that you seemingly misinterpreted what the two of us both said in the first place and are now positioning yourself to win a battle of egos in which you're the only participant, then yeah, frankly, I'd have to agree.
Dec. 16, 2003, 1:59 a.m. CST
by Zone Zero
I'm sick and tired of this loosely done talkback stuff. Harry needs to get rid of it. All this is used for is endless trolling and off-topic bickering. Not to mention all the "plants" that spout about their "favorite" movie. Quite frankly the only reason why people stay away from AICN is because of this. Either get some better moderated talkbacks, get a seperate forum, or just fucking be rid of anything resembling a talkback. It serves no other purpose than to get the blood boiling of everyone here who ACTUALLY come here for reviews and news. What ever happened to the rule of "no b.s. or off topic posting?" God damn... If I had seen this stuff happening on a forum I had the misfortune of being an admin on, I would have banned 50 to 75% of the posters I see spewing their filth on the talkbacks.
Dec. 16, 2003, 2:48 a.m. CST
This movie is beyond me. I leave it to smarter people to discuss how unbelievable it was. Let LOTR FANS RULE the world! and what do I see when I get home from my screening -- MORE friggin LOTR. I LOVE IT! Anyone see this, it's friggin hilarious --www.happyfappy.com. LOTR FANS ARE THE THE BOMB.
Dec. 16, 2003, 6:52 a.m. CST
If Jackson has spent all these years on this trilogy to win a golden doorstop, I would be surprised. Furthermore, technically what was achieved with Master and Commander far outweighs ROTK. It is a lot more complex to make a film that relies on period detail, and stunt work. It is easier to create a fantasy world and populate it with creatures that are explicitly described in the book you are adapting. Wow, what a towering achievement. This is not Jackson's story, it is Tolkien's badly told. If this film inspires you to be creative, it has failed miserably. It should inspire you to go and buy the toys, that is why Star Wars is the still the best studio trilogy ... hahaha.
Dec. 16, 2003, 8:56 a.m. CST
I think that although the LOTR Trilogy is not terrible, The Last Samurai and Master and Commander seem to reflect the kind of films the Academy like to award. They have one designated lead male, and then the peripheral characters. LOTR is based around a number of important characters and therefore its merits as a work of performance are not as immediately noteworthy. It is ensemble and it is fantasy, does that create a stigma about it as a 'masterpiece'? I don't think Jackson deserves Best Director because Peter Weir went through hell with Master and Commander, and the investment into that film was probably as big as the investment in the LOTR trilogy! The fact is that Weir has done a bloody remarkable job to create an epic at sea and have it make some money back. Edward Zwick is just a quietly consistent director, 'Glory' is a good film, as is 'The Siege'. Maybe he will make a masterpiece one day, but as it is he just makes decent films that deserve merit.
Dec. 16, 2003, 11:12 a.m. CST
I am an Indian s/w professional working in the US, and as my working visa heads an yr into its validity period i fall deeper in love with this country. It has given me a decent job, respect at the workplace and the satisfaction of a reasonably yuppie lifestyle. But in many ways it is not very different frm my native land (ofcource a space age ahead), a democracy, public opinion matters, under threat from terrorism. Yes. tht is one area where i believe Americans have been mislead. We are probably in graver danger of being nuked by the islamic bomb thn Washington or even Tel-Aviv. We have evr lived under the threat of Pakistan and long have Ur governments overlooked it. My post is definitely out of topic but certainly not out of the current perspective. SADDAM has been brought to justice, but there are other despots tht enjoy ur favours and continue to harbour and perpetrate terror. Musharraf is chief among them. Al qaida operated frm Pakistan at the time of 9-11. It is STILL based there. I am not an American citizen and hence cannot give my opinion in favour of any particular presidential candidate. But i can give you an insight into what ur media and governments choose2 ignore. I hope 9-11 had never happened, I hope none of those ppl had ever lost their lives, but living with reality requires us to understand tht the current American Pres is doing wht is required for a terror free world. No matter wht the Arabs say but evry American soldier who is killed in action is a matyr in the name of democracy. The next step in this war on terrorism is taking out BIN LADEN and MUSHARAFF. I say one step bcoz ur tomahawk would probably get them snuggling up2 one another in the same room filled with burnt Israeli-Indian-American flags. Bring down the dark tower !
Dec. 16, 2003, 5:35 p.m. CST
It is how the US leaders were pissed off when Iraq showed US soldiers as prisoners a few months ago. They said that it is against human rights and all...But now, showing Saddam as a prisoner is no problem...So funny how they change the rules all the time when it fits them...
Dec. 16, 2003, 5:46 p.m. CST
"Thanks for defending us and fighting the good fight. USA! Fuck yeah! We TOTALLY kick ass! Meanwhile, off in France, Chirac is cursing another Bush victory and is left once again looking like the spineless, cowardly, unprincipled cocksucker we always knew him to be..." Erm...the good fight? Of course, Saddam was a dictator but, Bush is slowly becoming one too. He wanted to do this war for Iraqi's oil...Weapons of Massive Destruction!! Hmmm...They still haven't found them!! But hey, it's like in the movies, they will find them soon because I'm sure they have specialists who know how to bring them from the US undetected and hide them somewhere in Iraq to show their point!! US leaders are all a bunch of liars...You know what? it will be ugly to live in america in a few years. Next thing we know, Bush will want to attack Canada and France because they refused to help them in their war, therefore, making them their enemies...And after that, who will be their next target? Japan? China? Germany?? Bush is about to start the third world war...Hopefully, there will be a Frodo and a Sam somewhere who will be able to bring Bush's precious to Mount Doom and destroy him!!
Dec. 16, 2003, 5:50 p.m. CST
U R on fucking crack. Quit whining and take your dick out of Moby's ass. Palebluedot is right. We won't get anywhere until we face reality and admit that some of our "friends" are downright douchebags. Wake up and smell the falafels, fellas. WOLVERINES!!
Dec. 16, 2003, 7:14 p.m. CST
Hopefully I won't say anything too inflammatory, but you two need to calm down about Moriarty's post. Have you two seen the extra features on the Two Towers Extended Edition? I believe that Moriarty is referring to several spots on the DVD where those being interviewed referred to the fact that Tolkien was not formally trained as a writer and that he did not structure things in a popular fiction way. None of it was said in a defamatory way. It was just being mentioned because those qualities made the work that much more unique.
Dec. 16, 2003, 10:05 p.m. CST
Not only have you completely contradicted yourself (wasn
Dec. 17, 2003, 1:16 a.m. CST
by Commando Cody
Oh puh-leeze. It's pretty fucking pathetic when someone has to try and defend France's ally status or their military record of accomplishment by going back to something 2 CENTURIES ago. You know what I say to that? Yeah, thanks for that one, France. But I think history has clearly shown that since then, the U.S. has by FAR more often than not bailed their asses out of trouble or come to their aid. So if the Revolutionary War bit is the incident you want to cite, great -- but frankly it's a debt the U.S. repaid many, many, many times over.
Dec. 17, 2003, 3:26 a.m. CST
by Zone Zero
So, you're calling us cocksuckers? You Something Awful trolling agent? Well, takes one to know one pal. Oh, it was quite hard to read your tirade, it seemed to go in completely divergent directions with no sense of a point other than to insult your reader. As for your being the "big white hope" of the movie industry, with you poor spelling and grammar skills, God have mercy on us all. I doubt you are a hater of the whole LotR series, because you sound like 90% of all the trolls here. You fume, piss, whine, moan, and bitch, but it all amounts to nothing. You sanctimonious masturbating monkey. Do yourself and the world a favor and shoot yourself before you breed.
Dec. 17, 2003, 6:19 a.m. CST
There will be no other version of LOTR in your lifetime. you will die an unhappy man.
Dec. 17, 2003, 9 a.m. CST
Well shit Commando Cody, the United States may not exist as it does today with out aid from the French. Gee, then who would have come to their an the rest of the worlds aid. Perhaps the French have seen enough war on their soil to understand how horrible it is for all involved. The US has never experienced an event such as WWII, our perspective on war may be different had we suffered first hand. And don
Dec. 17, 2003, 3:09 p.m. CST
And you will be waiting a very, very long time. While you wait you might want to start spellchecking your posts.
Dec. 17, 2003, 10:05 p.m. CST
I thought Denethor's death in the book was much better, burning to death on the pyre the seeing stone forever cursed with the face of the dead steward in his hands. But then he could take a header off a big tower whilst on fire. But it's as much a taste thing as literary integrity.
Dec. 18, 2003, 4:47 a.m. CST
by Big Dumb Ape
Wow. I mean...WOW. Just when I think someone in a talkback thread can't say anything more FUCKING STUPID and come off dumber than a rock, someone like JNickerson does. This has to rank as one of the most pathetically naive and outright stupid statements I've EVER seen posted here. And I've been coming to AICN for quite some time. Yeah, you're right. The U.S. has never experienced "war firsthand" and unlike your illustrious France, we have no idea "what" war is like, about or means. Tell you what, asshole...go stroll through Arlington National Cemetary or any local cemetary and see the tombstones of all those that gave their lives for this country and THEN come back and be just as fucking retarded in what you say.
Dec. 18, 2003, 4:52 a.m. CST
by Big Dumb Ape
Wait. I take back what I just said. JNickerson COULD top himself and demonstrate that he's an even BIGGER intellectual carrot than I supposed, and in the very same post. 9-11 NOT an act of war? Wow, dude, is your thinking prowess comparable to a BB pellet rolling around in an empty tuna can?
Dec. 18, 2003, 6:29 a.m. CST
by Miami Mofo
I suppose that you've never heard of the Civil War, aka The War Between the States. All that was was a war with some of the bloodiest battles ever. The carnage was intense. JNick - you should really think before you type!
Dec. 18, 2003, 9:17 a.m. CST
Dec. 18, 2003, 5:20 p.m. CST
Oklahoma's state government wasn't in cahoots with McVeigh, but the Taliban was backing Bin Laden. Also, your definition says that it's USUALLY open and declared, not always. In your interpretation then Vietnam wasn't a war either, and neither side can be held responsible for what they did. The fact that Viggo is openly anti-war doesn't bother me one bit. If it did, I'd be bothered every time I watch a movie, wouldn't I? Sterling Mel: How would you go about making a movie of these books without a big budget? I honestly do not believe it is possible. A government grant for filmmaking or all your saved up lunch money put together with mine is going to amount to even 1% of what you'd need. Hate the films if you like, you're perfectly free to. But the idea of making them without big business involved and still being true to what Tolkien wrote is more fantastical than the existence of elves. Now, on topic, Return of the King was a wonderful film. I was a doubter, and I was very satisfied with the conclusion of this trilogy. Now I need to see TTT EE and see if that helps my opinion of it. Later.
Dec. 20, 2003, 1:39 a.m. CST
I never left a concert early or a football game in overtime. WTF is with some people? I could have sat there for 10 hours to see this thing wrapped up...
Dec. 20, 2003, 1:40 p.m. CST
BW writes: In just two days of release many things have happened at IMDb.com, firstly (on the second day) ROTK shot into the top ten movies of all time list, slotting in at #8. This pushed FOTR to #9 and sent the remaining Star Wars movie to the grey havens (out of the prestigious top ten). TTT remains at #4. With the reviews ROTK has gained and the respect of the fans, its likely it could become the all time (permanent) number one motion picture of all time, dethroning The Godfather once and for all. [IMDB] (Off of the TORn website)
Dec. 21, 2003, 5:19 a.m. CST
Dec. 21, 2003, 7:21 p.m. CST
Hi, Great movie. I loved the film, and your review, but I think the Extended DVD will be the real masterpiece. I agree with your comments about Aragorn's speech, but I remember that IMDB had for a long time listed an actor for the role of the Mouth of Sauron (I can't remember who--the cast list has been modified to fit the released film--there was an actor for Ghan-Buri-Ghan too). No telling what role the Mouth would have played, but you can kind of see the ragged edges in the plot where he was torn out. You can almost imagine seeing the scoth-tape holding the spliced film together. Aragorn's speech would have made more sense if you knew his audience had just heard what the Mouth had to say. But then, I can see why the cut him: he would have seemed kind of pointless since the audience of the film already knows so much more than Aragorn and his army. I noticed the same ragged edges around Denethor's death scene--I'm not sure why the left out the real reason he went mad--and in a few other places.
Dec. 22, 2003, 11:48 a.m. CST
Loved the multiple endings as well. I think that after watching all 3 films. Jackson more than earns that extended wrap-up. Many won't like. Many are idiots.
Dec. 22, 2003, 11:55 a.m. CST
I agree with Mori -- hopefully LotR will inspire new filmmakers. I also hope that the massive ciritical and commercial success of this project also inspires more studios to respect the audience (three films over 3 hours long) and greenlight visionary projects like this one.
Dec. 28, 2003, 2:54 a.m. CST
nice individual moments but after the ring ends up in mount doom its about 25 plus minutes till the end. I was with some non-geek friends and they were freaking out by the end. "No, there's still some more" Fade to white on boat: FADE BACK IN TO THE FRIGGIN HOBBIT HOLE. Ugh. Too much crying and hugging. Cut it. for the love of god, cut it. (awesome flick through and through up to that point, though. Personally I think they should have ended it with "Its over Sam." - CUT TO BLACK, ROLL CREDITS)