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Ravvy reviews THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST from BNAT5!!!

Published at: Dec. 8, 2003, 11:16 a.m. CST

Hey folks, Harry here... Now we have Rav to chat a bit about the rather amazing film... THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST... here you go...

heya harry,

"The Icon Productions logo then, A blue shot of the back of a man slightly crouched forward in a forest mumbling to himself or something." That's how Mel Gibson's The Passion of The Christ (AKA The Passion) begins. In those first ten second's thoughts race through my head: I panic, it's being projected digitally, it just does not have the same epic presence that the trailers gave me online, I am worried that I may be in for a huge let-down. What the fuck is going on it's just a guy mumbling...Where is the subtitles? Has Mel Gibson gone crazy and just made an omega-code-like mess of mega proportions to preach to me, fuck I hope not. Well...I could just fucking sleep, if it sucks.

"The mumbler is revealed as Jesus, he begins to now talk with subtitles, a devil-like creature shows up with a snake" As the movie plays further more thoughts race through my head, this time considering all of hysteria around this production: Okay this film is supposed to go out of it's way to be anti-semetic. So...where are the nazis, how can you fricken make a jew-hating film without any Nazis? Thats like making a happy meal and forgetting the ham-burgler it doesn't make fucking sense. Okay and why isn't the devil Jewish, I mean if they really are wanting to go the jew-hating route, this isn't a good start.

All this garbage written about this film being anti-semetic is a bit annoying. I hate that I couldn't get into the film that easily because in the back of my mind I kept thinking whether or not every scene involving a jewish person is offensive. At times in the film I think a person could take one or two scenes and blow it totally out of proportion by over-analyzing single lines from jewish characters and then come to the conclusion that the film is anti-semetic. At no time in the film did I feel it bred anti-semitic feelings. Although there are Jewish characters that are the catalyst to the climax of the film, so are the ADL honestly trying to make the case that all Jewish people are perfect and never have done anything wrong? I dunno, I just hate that I wound up being distracted by this enough in watching the movie to include it here. Well... fuck you Mr. Mass Media for making much ado about nothing.

I'm the type of person that is fairly non-religious, I guess I'm agnostic for sakes of survey classification. I liberally like to joke around about elements of Christian faith, there is just an odd evil sense of joy in my heart at offending people. Jesus is normally the central figure to alot of jokes I might make, I am even the proud loving owner of a Jesus Christ action figure complete with sliding holy action. I think it's fair to say that Jesus is an element of world culture, even if someone knows nothing about religion the name Jesus still will ring familiar. So I think it's fair to be totally non-secular, but interested in this film for the story's sake. Although to be honest that was not my key interest in looking forward to the film. I consider myself a bit of film-psychotic and so thats what makes me interested in this, so that has me there, sorry Jesus (if you were real).

Enough of me pompously preaching about myself, back to the film.

In the rough form that it was presented this film shows itself to be a major achievement in cinema. It was shown digitally, which was kind of odd since I guess they brought a projector to the alamo just for it. Although it was still early non-color-timed, so at many moments the film's look kind of "off" and unbalanced between shots. Still somehow there were shots escaped from the film that resonated with incredibly beauty like they had been ripped from old paintings. Also at several times green-dots were seen where later cgi would be added, now what was pretty striking is that watching it CGI felt unnecessary in those sequences. In that respect the film is perfect in that respect as is, every moment seemed to be described physically I never sat thinking that I was missing something to be added later.

The acting in the film is nothing less than amazing. How the fuck Mel Gibson got a cast together for an Aramaic film is beyond me, but how the hell they were able to act in it is even more stellar. I can't imagine the look on an actors face when being sent an aramaic script, god I wish I could have been in the room with Monica Belluci or Jim Cavieziel's agents, their reaction had to be beautiful. Caviziel has delivered a performance that will change his life forever, he is Jesus in this film, he is not Caviziel, in fact I still fail to relate this guy as being him. It's pretty amazing, I think that Mel pulled a Murnau and made a deal with God to get Jesus himself to act in this film. Belluci is good, although she feels like a foot-note to Maria Morgenstern's beautiful performance. Maria Morgenstern as mary, HOLY FUCKING GOD! The torment she goes through during the crucifixation to her work in the flashback sequences, this woman has some amazing talent. Every member of the cast has done the best jobs we will see on a screen for the next year. Expect this film to sweep the acting oscars in 2005.

Watching the passion is like watching a non-existant film of that period, it's a window to that world. A few years back I went to a retrospective of soviet films done during communism, and it really felt like a window to a whole different world, I'd liken the passion to watching those films. I know there have been millions of biblical films made, but they have the barrier of language, when it's all said and done it's still a staged retelling. The difference between watching The Passion and watching other Jesus films, is that when you are watching The Passion it's real and what you are watching feels like actual events unfolding. If I wasn't so much of a cynic, perhaps the passion just might have got me to look back into christianity. Sad I'm so cynical, but thats me maybe not you.

I am going to end this review early for I desire more rest, I have lots of reviews from earlier this year that need to be done I will surely be at it after exams next week yepee. It's also not spell-checked or proof-read so have fun with it you english majors and jackasses.

Rav

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  • Dec. 8, 2003, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Jesus is FIRST!

    by FrankCobretti

    And last.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Y'know, the whole Alpha & Omega thing.

    by FrankCobretti

    <sigh> my wife has a thing for Caviezel already. Now, when she start screaming "Jesus," I won't know whether to feel proud or threatened.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 11:23 a.m. CST

    subtitles

    by Phimseto

    I skimmed this review, but noticed the reference to subtitles. Can anyone confirm from BNAT or other sources if Gibson still intends (hopefully) to release the final film without subtitles?

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 11:24 a.m. CST

    First?

    by MichaelJackass

    Quite looking forward to seeing this - even if I am an atheist.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Balls.

    by MichaelJackass

    Beaten. Big balls.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 11:26 a.m. CST

    This is SO gonna be better than Matrix Revolutions!

    by Just Plain Steve

    Although I can imagine Keanu playing Jesus.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 11:39 a.m. CST

    I for one would appreciate subtitles

    by JacksonsBane

    Well I would.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 11:47 a.m. CST

    As a Christian.....

    by joshuaonenine

    I am very much so looking forward to this film.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 11:54 a.m. CST

    A film done in Aramaic is cool, but not as cool as the only Esp

    by Declan_Swartz

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 11:54 a.m. CST

    I still can't get over Mel Gibson being there!

    by viola123

    That is so awesome. Rav, thank you for your review, and I can't wait to read more about it, from Harry and all others. This film sounds so beautiful, and I guess I'm looking at it as that. I'm of the mind that I'm going to watch it for the story, and hopefully "Mr. Mass Media" won't encroach on my viewing experience. It truly helps to read what others are thinking of it, and how you all confirm what I had felt it would be. A work of dedication and love and vision. I can't wait to see it!

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 12:08 p.m. CST

    I read two lines from that review and lost 30 IQ points.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Gah! sk

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Crucified in Bullet Time!

    by godoffireinhell

    Now that would be something!

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Sacred butt

    by Big Rock

    I felt badly for Jesus, especially when He was flayed by those hooked whips, but at least He didn't have to sit through 24 hours of movies. I'm trying to find those whips in the Bible. Anybody find the passage?

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 1:16 p.m. CST

    The Original "Chosen One"

    by JAGUART

    Does he know Kung fu?

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Big Rocks

    by scaler

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Never before has the word "fuck" been used so many times in a re

    by TheFoywonder

    I think this was some sort of world record.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Its odd that a geek film site is going nuts over this...

    by JAGUART

    I mean its not like Bruce Campbell is playing "The Christ" fer chrissakes. I'm really curious as to what the hoopla is all about.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Big Rocks

    by scaler

    Sorry about the double post. Anyway, the whip is called a Cat of Nine Tails. When the Romans flogged someone, that's what they used. The usual maximum number of lashes was 39, because it was thought that 40 lashes with a Cat of Nine Tails would kill you. And yes, the Co9T (I'm tired of writing it out now) would cause injuries like the ones seen on Jesus in the first trailer. If anything, those images are more tame than the reality.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 2:14 p.m. CST

    What the fuck is Ravvy's problem?

    by Mister Pink

    Nice strawman there about people saying the movie was crawling with nazis. Nobody fucking SAID that, asshole. They just said it MIGHT contain some old antsemitic smears such as the fucking MYTH that "the Jews" killed Jesus. The ROMANS killed Jesus, you douchewipes, get that through your fucking skulls! The Gospel of John is, itself, an anti-Jewish polemic. That's t5he fucking problem. the gospels aren't history, they're MYTH and this movie has no more to do with history than the Lord of the Fucking Rings. BTW, who gives rats ass about Mother Mary's overacted "suffering?" FUCK her suffering! It's her fault her son grew up to be a fucking delusional nutjob in the first place. Also, can someone tell me why Jesus' suffering on the cross is any more meaningful than the thousands of others who died the same way? What the fuck is so special about Jesus? (And if anyone says that he died for my sins I will fucking mock you). See, that's the main problem with this. If you don't accept that Jesus was God then the crucifixion is of absolutely no significance and he's just one more unlucky asshole who got fucked over by the Romans. There is nothing "important" about it and the whole story is just a big, elaborate jerk-off.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 2:15 p.m. CST

    "holy sliding action"? Sounds like the slogan for the PTL

    by Big Bad Clone

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 2:16 p.m. CST

    "holy sliding action"? Sounds like the slogan for the 700 Club's

    by Big Bad Clone

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 3:01 p.m. CST

    As an atheist, even I am sickened

    by vikingkitty

    It pains me to see so many idiots that have been brainwashed by the anti-religion PC crowd. That's what separates the Ayn Rand sect of atheists from the pathetic anti-religion leftists - the leftist religion bashers are nothing more than a group of childish idiots who like to tell themselves they are "rebelling".

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Harry does have a sense of humor that's why he got rid of that l

    by Big Bad Clone

    The thing about Peter Jackson answering inane questions like are orcs real was funny. That's about it. Couls have been a lot better. Besides it's in every fucking talkback so I fucking sick of it already.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 3:38 p.m. CST

    I met jesus at the crossroads...

    by HansDelbruck

    ...he told me this film was so/so (he'd already seen the final cut, of course) but that 'The Last Samurai' kicked ass. He was even thinking of taking up martial arts if his bum knee loosens up a bit.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 3:39 p.m. CST

    He didn't ban you because of the link, he banned you because you

    by minderbinder

    Ban all spammers. Thank you.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Why no mention of...

    by Wungolioth

    Peter Jackson's announcement that he'd like to eventually make The Hobbit? Surely he said something to you about it Harry, with you being his favorite geek and all? No?

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 4:57 p.m. CST

    I thought....

    by zer0cool2k2

    Calling Jesus "The Christ" was kind of a throwback to the golden Age of the Bible, like calling Bruce Wayne "The Bat-Man". Personally, I can't wait to see the newspaper ads when this thing hits local theaters: "Holy Fucking God!" -Ravvy of Ain't It Cool News.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Four-color fire of flamingoes

    by Boba Feet

    They're already shooting the prequel,where Quentin Tarantino and gets swallowed by Harry, who makes a cameo as the whale (how's that for subtle?). That's after the Ahnuld battle scene as Samson, the Jericho siege ala Helm's Deep and the three way between Eve (the rapper), Adam (Goldberg) and the snake (Michael Eisner). Whoopi makes a guest appearance as John the Baptist and winds up with her head on a plate.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Where is the subtitles?

    by HardcoreRocker

    Where are the grammar? I can't wait to see this.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 5:18 p.m. CST

    hans!!

    by perryfarrell

    are you kidding? jesus can fly and stop bullets by raising his hand!! oh wait, wrong movie....

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 5:23 p.m. CST

    keanu as jesus

    by elviskilledjfk

    EXT. GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE. NIGHT Jesus kneels, his back to the camera, praying. ENTER the DEVIL with SNAKE. JESUS: (baffled) Whoa, dude, you're the devil...

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 5:30 p.m. CST

    bruce campbell as jesus

    by elviskilledjfk

    EXT. GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE. NIGHT. JESUS kneels, his back turned to the camera, praying. ENTER the DEVIL along with his/her SNAKE. DEVIL: I will eat your soul! JESUS stands and turns to face the audience. It is revealed that HE has a chainsaw on one hand and a sawed-off, double barrelled shotgun in the other. He coolly points the shotgun at SATAN and utters a cool one-liner before dispatching the dark lord. JESUS: Hail to the Almighty, baby. JESUS pulls the trigger, killing SATAN, solving all of our problems and decides to move to Southern California with Mary Magdalene to overthrow Ahnold as Governor and become an action movie superstar.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 6:03 p.m. CST

    who's gonna cast the first stone, baby?

    by perryfarrell

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 6:04 p.m. CST

    who's gonna cast the first stone, baby?

    by perryfarrell

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 6:11 p.m. CST

    your review....

    by mthero

    it takes a three yr old humor to "say I like to get a rise out of people".... I guess you can't do it by being just funny....you have to shock which is the easiest..... no one is asking you not to have fun, not to challenge things, not to question, but you missed the very core of the Passion....Jesus real? look at your life and all that around you...He is real. Watch it again ...not ofr what could make you mad but what the story is about....

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 6:22 p.m. CST

    accurate? not even vaguely...

    by Danger Mouse

    I don't know much about theology so I wont coment about it's religious value but if you judge this film on its historic and anthropological merits, then it fails very badly. I know it's "only a film" but is so then why did they use dead languages?

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 6:29 p.m. CST

    "I hate that I couldn't get into the film that easily because in

    by Rand Race

    There were scenes without Jewish people? Pilate and who? *sigh* Can we get a review from somebody at least tangentally familiar with the history and myth surrounding Jesus of Nazereth? It was neither Jews nor Romans who killed Jesus; it was assholes.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Surf Nazis Must Die!!

    by Dr. Ghostly

    Surf Nazis Must Die!!! Viva La Troma! Oh yeah... tell Jesus to hurry up with that second-coming thing... He's 2000 years late. I hope he shows up soon so he can straighten out all his followers.

  • I am stunned by the grossly anti-Semitic film reviews that were posted this week here on AICN. I had no idea that so many fellow genre fans were so ignorant of history, and so full of venom towards Jewish people. For instance, a reviewer writes "My favorite character in this film is Pontius Pilate. You truly understand the position he was in. This was a man who was in charge of this situation, but didn

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 6:55 p.m. CST

    "Hail to the King of Jews, baby"

    by GenericGeek

    Campbell rules!! Wish I'd been there.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 8:39 p.m. CST

    What's so special about Jesus.

    by Genuine0441

    What about the fact that he fulfilled every single one of the 100+ prophesies made about him in the old Testament? The odds of that happenening are astronomical, and so high a number that to say it often doesn't leave much of an impression on the human mind. People simply can't grasp it. And there was no way Jesus could have pre-arranged for these things to happen, given several prophesies were made about his bloodline. Certainly that can't be rigged in someone's favor. Jesus also was the only prophet to ever claim to be God, which was why so many people took offense to his mission. Muhammed, Buddha and other prophets only ever were messengers from God; Jesus was God and said he was. So if you don't want to hear that he died for your sins, there are other things that happened in his life that proved who he was and still is. Ans what's with all of the anti-Semitism? Jesus himself was a Jew. He came first to save the Jews, and when they rejected his message, they continued to look ahead for the promised Messiah. Jesus was able to come to the Gentiles (AKA everyone else) because the Jews turned him away. God knew it would happen; and at this time what it meant to be a Jew changed. The Jews rejected him, Jews and Gentiles alike persecuted him, Pilate allowed him to be condemed, and the Romans killed him. Take it or leave it.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Wrong, Genuine!

    by Mister Pink

    Jesus did not fulfill a single OT prophesy. Sorry. Didn't happen. He didn't even fulfill the OT expectations of the MYou clearly don't know what the Messiah. And he never fucking calimed he was God. His deification came after his cult was fused with Greco-Roman mystery cults. Jesus only said about 20-25% of what was attributed to him in the gospels. FACT!

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Wrong, Genuine!

    by Mister Pink

    Jesus did not fulfill a single OT prophesy. Sorry. Didn't happen. He didn't even fulfill the OT expectations of the MYou clearly don't know what the Messiah. And he never fucking calimed he was God. His deification came after his cult was fused with Greco-Roman mystery cults. Jesus only said about 20-25% of what was attributed to him in the gospels. FACT!

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 9:27 p.m. CST

    mel gibson

    by anaelmasri

    dear membersz, i made a non profit site in support of the upcoming mel gibson film THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST, i support the freedom of artistic expression as a filmmaker myself, and i really admire the challanges and his work..i thought id notify you about the site , and the site contains load of info, anything you can imagine, so plz visit it, dont forget to register in the forum to recieve the lates.. http://www.thepassionofchrist.tk thank you,

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Bwahahahaha!!

    by film_chic

    I never knew so many AICN readers were afraid of a little Jesus humor. Pah-lease with all of your whining, talk-backers. You go, Rav! Make the Jesus freaks sweat!

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Bwahahahaha!!

    by film_chic

    I never knew so many AICN readers were afraid of a little Jesus humor. Pah-lease with all of your whining, talk-backers. You go, Rav! Make the Jesus freaks sweat!

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 10:23 p.m. CST

    RK100

    by scaler

    One question: have you personally seen this film. Has it occurred to you that maybe the reason the reviewers didn't mention those blatantly anti-Semitic parts of the film is that maybe they didn't see what the ADL members saw? Different people see the same images in different ways. And, beyond that, from the news stories I've read on the topic, it appears that many of the accusations of anti-semitism were based on a very early version of the script, and that much of the material deemed offensive had already been removed by the time of the media backlash. That being said, yes, I am well aware that the account presented in the gospels is probably not completely historically accurate. Pilate does not appear to have truly been the poor weakling he is portrayed as in the gospels. There have been various explanations for this, most of them revolving around the fact that, at the time the Mark (the first of the gospels) was written, there was an armed insurrection against Rome raging in Judea, and the author of Mark did not want to antagonise the Romans more than necessary. By this reasoning, the goal was not so much to malign the Jewish people, but to exonerate the Romans in order not to incurr their wrath. Now, there are some pretty big problems with this theory, but it is one possible explanation. The other (and, I think, more important) thing to remember is that Mark and Matthew, at least, and probably John, as well, were written by Jews. Thus, what we have here is essentially an intra-Jewish controversy, and allegations of anti-semitism (at least, in the current sense of the word) are thus inappropriate to the context.

  • Dec. 9, 2003, 6:13 a.m. CST

    A quick word from the "Anti-semitic Liar" to RK100

    by Ravvy

    The ADL wrote: "The film portrays Jews who adhere to their Jewish faith as enemies of God and the locus of evil." Libel my fucking ass, I feel my comments were honest :) You wrote "The problem is that this film condemns every Jew in the world for the murder of God, and distorts history in grotestque ways." Thats just not fucking true, and no sane person would come to that conclusion after viewing the film. You sir, are fucking retarded and also a liar. :)

  • Dec. 9, 2003, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Correct language, wrong ethnicity

    by tjohanne

    As a crazy friend of mine pointed out, the film has been recorded with the historically correct languages, so why do they use actors who are so obviously Germanic? Not only were the peoples of that region 2000 years NOT white, they also did not have the same kind of build. Why keep the semittic language but not the apperance? Discovery Channel had a documentary on the subject of his potential looks: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20030414/jesus.html

  • Dec. 9, 2003, 12:31 p.m. CST

    wow, a Jesus movie review sure brought out alot of angry jews in

    by Tall_Boy

    shallom, fuckers.

  • Dec. 9, 2003, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Lots of anti-Christian Jews in here, huh?

    by KryptonsLastSon

    Just taking a head count....

  • Dec. 9, 2003, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Mister Pink, a proposition.

    by Genuine0441

    If you can find a prophesy (and quote it here) that was in the OT and is not recorded as being fulfilled, I won't bother posting here again. And he did claim to be God. During his trial, when asked if he was the Christ (Messiah) and Son of God, he replied "I am." The high priest replied by saying that what was spoken was blasphemy (or, that he was claiming to be God.), and that everyone present had witnessed it. It was for this that he was condemned as worthy of death. Now, this information does come from the NT, but that topic goes a bit off what the purpose of this thread is about, so I'd be glad to send an e-mail regarding the reliability of the Gospel records, if you want. Your call.

  • Dec. 9, 2003, 11:54 p.m. CST

    TIS ONLY A MOVIE

    by calraees

    I dont know why everyone is taking this flic so seriously. I mean its only a film, from Mel Gibsons point of view. Nothing is so amazing about it being in aramaic, i mean alot of chinese actors have spoken in english through transliterated texts, and so its no biggy. I just hope people dont take the events in this movie as being a de facto recreation of ancient times. For that matter we dont even know when Jesus was around, and we certainly dont know how is mother or he himself acted as such. The media is very influential and has been known to affect gullible viewers. No matter how goot the acting, or how heart wrenching Mary seems, this is fiction. People would be wise not to go overboard and start taking this film as truth, because frankly no one knows what really happened and it would thus lead to a rather pathetic exercise in extreme delusionment.

  • Dec. 10, 2003, midnight CST

    to calraees

    by Genuine0441

    If no one really knows what happened, how can you know that it didn't?

  • Dec. 10, 2003, 1:56 a.m. CST

    reply

    by calraees

    I am not saying I did'nt or that it did. Thats just it, why take something as the truth when you dont know. Thats your business, but it sets a dangerous precedent when film goers start taking movies seriously. I mean if an extremist movie was made elsewhere, depicting Christians as evangelists trying to convert the 'sanvages' of the world to a higher culture, and people took this seriously, well you can see what I mean. Its a movie, and nothing can change that. Its not the truth, cause we dont know any better.

  • Dec. 10, 2003, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Genuine: three things...

    by Mister Pink

    First. there are no prophesies of Jesus in the OT. If you want to claim there are then YOU have the burden to prove it. I'll save a little time by explaining that most of what you have been taught are such "prophesies" in the OT are no such thing when read in context. Furthermore, Jesus did not fulfill the prophesies that DO pertain to the Messiah. He did not rebuild the temple in Jerusalem or bring world peace, for instance. For another thing (and this leads into my next point) the OT Messiah was NOT GOD. That's right. The Jewish Messiah is simply a human king who will restore the kingdom of Israel. That means that claiming to be the Messiah was NOT BLASPHEMOUS under Jewish law. It was perfectly legal to claim to be the Messiah and many did with no consequence from the Sanhedrin. You might be WRONG but you were not violating any Jewish law. The phrase "Son of God" was also NOT a claim to divinity. That phrase was commonly applied to prophets or other righteous men and was occasionally even used to designate all mankind. So Jesus committed no blasphemy under Jewish law and That's one reason that the passion narratives in gospels are so highly suspect as to historical authenticity.The author did not seem to know Jewish law or understand Aramaic/Hebrew idiom.The last thing I want to say is that even though we may not know exactly what happened (if anything happened at all) with Jesus, one thing we can be sure of is that he didn't come back from the dead. The reason I can say this with such confidence is simple: BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE! Impossible shit can't be true, by definition.

  • Dec. 10, 2003, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Re: reply

    by Genuine0441

    That's just it: I DO know, so I can take the movie (or at least its subject matter) seriously. HOW do I know? Well, there's the historical and archeological evidence supporting the Bible, the record of Jesus' fulfillment of prophesy, the outside sources that affirm his life and miracles, if not his diety...I could go on, but not here. There's a difference between believing wholeheartedly in a movie that's based on a figment of people's imaginations, and being glad because something that is true is being portrayed in a way that gets people's attention. Of course, no one should simply take a movie at face value, and I don't suggest it. That would just be brainless. I simply hope that when people see this movie, they'll want to know more about the life of the man they see ultimately die on screen. It's broad enough that people at least know of Jesus, and perhaps some will be inspired to look further. But then, there are always those who won't.

  • Dec. 10, 2003, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Re: Re: reply

    by calraees

    The 'archealogical' evidence that u mention is in referrence to the old testament and not the gospels that constitute the new one. Your outside sources, whatever they may be, have not presented any decent evidence that supports Jesus's life, because then we wouldnt be having this discussion. The bible in itself was written at a much later date than Christ's soujourn on Earth, so as for you knowing and all. I am sorry if your reply lacks any credibility. The fact is that you choose to believe, however erroneous that might be or not is not for anyone to decide, the 'portrayal' in this film. That does not constitute truth, it constitutes wishful thinking. The new testament itself is soo contradictory that it is surprising that you even mention it as a credible source. Outside the bible, evidence is Christ is non-existent.

  • Dec. 10, 2003, 2:04 p.m. CST

    To Mister Pink and my thoughts on the film

    by Azn_Voodoo

    It sounds like the ONLY anti-semite here is YOU. You are so quick to say that this film portrays Jews (which is probably your religion) in an anti-semite way but then you are so quick to dismiss Christian religion in the same manner. You sir are a HYPOCRITE and NO I have NEVER been baptized. Just SHUT UP until you watch the movie. If you want to have a religious debate TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. As for this movie all I will say is that I have NEVER had a trailer (extended version) move me as much. I look at reviews with a lot of skepticism and optimism. So far it looks VERY promising and regardless of my beliefs or others I HAVE to watch this film to judge it MYSELF. I have a feeling that it will give me a profound experience like no other film ever has.

  • Dec. 10, 2003, 2:05 p.m. CST

    To Mister Pink and my thoughts on the film

    by Azn_Voodoo

    It sounds like the ONLY anti-semite here is YOU. You are so quick to say that this film portrays Jews (which is probably your religion) in an anti-semite way but then you are so quick to dismiss Christian religion in the same manner. You sir are a HYPOCRITE and NO I have NEVER been baptized. Just SHUT UP until you watch the movie. If you want to have a religious debate TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. As for this movie all I will say is that I have NEVER had a trailer (extended version) move me as much. I look at reviews with a lot of skepticism and optimism. So far it looks VERY promising and regardless of my beliefs or others I HAVE to watch this film to judge it MYSELF. I have a feeling that it will give me a profound experience like no other film ever has.

  • Dec. 10, 2003, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Credibility of NT, and the source material for this movie we so

    by Genuine0441

  • Dec. 11, 2003, 3:53 p.m. CST

    a note to mister pink

    by gsab001

    Paul was the most zealous anti-Christian in the early days. He hated the Christians so much that he went around persecuting and killing Jews who were preaching about Jesus Christ. He thought he was doing God's work in killing the Christians. But God met Him on his way to Damascus, and the divine encounter turned his life 180 degrees. He spent the rest of his life preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ instead and ended up being a Christian martyr. I have a feeling that God is about to do something marvelous in Mister Pink's life. No matter how hard headed he thinks he might be, God is more powerful than He is, and I believe God is able to do that which He did to Paul.

  • Dec. 11, 2003, 4 p.m. CST

    one more message to mister pink

    by gsab001

    jesus loves you mister pink. There is absolutely nothing you can do to make Jesus hate you. You can curse Jesus to his face all your life, and it will not change the fact that He loves you. His only response to you would be "Father, forgive Mister Pink for he does know what he is doing." Jesus loves you Mister Pink.

  • Dec. 11, 2003, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Messianic prophecy and the Resurrection

    by Genuine0441

    Messianic Prophesies There are over 300 messianic prophecies, and since I cannot (and will not) quote them all here, I will give you some of the most prominent and well-recognized prophecies in the OT. Keep in mind that a great deal of the Bible is metaphorical, for instance when Micah speaks of a Great Shepherd, he does not literally mean that the Christ will be a large man with a staff and many bleating sheep. Also, many prophecies had double meanings: a good example is Isaiah 7:14. When read in context, this prophecy obviously is meant to apply to King Ahaz and Judah

  • Dec. 11, 2003, 11:56 p.m. CST

    P.S.

    by Genuine0441

    Mister pink, will YOU be seeing this film, since, as you so eloquently put it "There is nothing 'important' about it and the whole story is just a big, elaborate jerk-off."? If you hadn't intended on doing so before, I'd say you should now, after all this effort you've gone through. <br><br> P.P.S. Apologies for the very long posts; I've tried to keep them as concise as possible. <br><br> P.P.P.S. E-mails welcome for further debate/discussion/explanation. Thank you and goodnight!

  • Dec. 11, 2003, 11:59 p.m. CST

    *Frustration*

    by Genuine0441

    Des ANYONE know how to break posts into paragraphs!? Or do they not include that feature because people like me are annoying, and posts are not meant to exist in paragraph form?

  • Dec. 13, 2003, 5:59 p.m. CST

    to calraees

    by gsab001

    you can take your postmodernistic horsecrap and jam it up your ass. the truth is that the movie is the truth.

  • Feb. 21, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    <b>Test</b>

  • Feb. 21, 2010, 9:11 a.m. CST

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    <big>Another</big>

  • Feb. 21, 2010, 9:14 a.m. CST

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    <strong>Last</strong>

  • Feb. 21, 2010, 9:15 a.m. CST

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    <em>Maybe</em>

  • Feb. 21, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    <i>No</i>

  • Feb. 21, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Trying<sup>2</sup>doodis

  • Feb. 21, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    last time<br>or not<bt>cause who knows