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Elle Woods Reviews RETURN OF THE KING!!
Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...
Yes, seriously. A spy chose her name from LEGALLY BLONDE in order to write a RETURN OF THE KING review. This is what I love about AICN. You see the most fascinating collisions of taste sometimes...
And, yes, I have seen RETURN OF THE KING. Feels like the only film I’ve seen in recent memory, and it left me utterly exhausted as a film fan. It’s remarkable stuff, and I promise... as soon as I’m on the other side of a deadline that is crushing me at the moment, I’ll have a review together. For now... here’s Elle.
Harry~
This is my first time EVER writing a review. Here goes...
I saw the DG screening of RotK yesterday and I would like to give you one female's perspective. If you haven't read the books be forewarned - I do give some things away.
I loved the movie. It was a satisfying end to the trilogy. Gandalf is impressive, the king returns, Merry and Pippin are separated and each have a chance at valor, Legolas is studly in battle, Sam gives another moving performance, Gimli is great comic releif, you get to see Bilbo again, etc. I literally jumped in my seat several times - even though I knew what was coming. The cinematography, the music, the acting...all in keeping with the epic scope of this story. PJ does an excellent job, once again, of bringing it to life.
The movie is largely faithful to the book...except there's a line in the movie that claims that Arwen's fate is somehow linked to the fate of the ring - i.e. she'll die if the ring isn't destroyed - which I don't remember in the book - am I wrong here? Also I think the movie puts too much emphasis on the help of "the dead" in the battle at Minas Tirith - I realize the battle could not have been won without them, just as it couln't have been won without the riders of Rohan or the Eagles, but the movie makes it seem like "the dead" could have won the battle on their own – that doesn't ring true to me. Overall, VERY minor things.
Indeed, after viewing the second movie, the Two Towers, for the first time, I was amazed at what a good job Jackson did in editing this massive and seemingly convoluted book down to something that could be enthusiastically followed by most moviegoers. Obviously cuts were necessary but the way he made the heart of the story come to life really surprised me. In my opinion that was perhaps his greatest feat of the trilogy- Fellowship is easier to grasp on its own, and RotK is the climax so it has that going for it. The second part of any trilogy is the hardest in some respects.
Now let's get specific...
The opening sequence with Gollum's history is very satisfying for those who have read the book, however it does not necessarily make him more sympathetic, indeed he is less sympathetic in this movie than he was in the last. The part he ultimately plays in the end is well portrayed, but, even after all the build up in the second movie about his possible role, once it happens it is never revisited. Just a simple "Well, looks like Gollum did play a part after all," would have been enough - instead it was almost as if he had never existed.
I agree with Aldini the ommission of Saruman's demise is disappointing. When evil is defeated in the end it is not quite as rewarding as it could be because it is this nameless faceless evil and not a flesh and blood character that is destroyed. Indeed, the fall of the evil eye almost seems comic...you decide.
There was one battle between good and evil that was entirely satifying - the one between Eowyn and the Lord of the Nazgul. She defeats the evil creature in a marvelous show of bravery. Then the event is completely forgotten for the rest of the movie! Here is a bad guy the audience loves to hate – everyone cheered when he fell. So Saruman is ommitted...here is a chance to really enjoy the defeat of evil. Good. And yet it isn't mentioned again! You don't even see Eowyn again until the very end and even then she neither speaks nor is spoken to.
Frankly, there was another deletion that I felt hurt the movie - the union of Faramir and Eowyn. They are standing together at the end of the movie - a quick nod towards those who have read the books, but for those who have not it is meaningless. The joining of the kingdoms of Gondor and Rohan is nothing to overlook. And after all these two characters have suffered, the audience deserves to see them happy. Bad call. I hope there is something in the extended cut - does anyone know? If you haven't seen the extended cut of Two Towers DO! After viewing it I felt the terrible gaps in Faramir's story were definitely filled in.
There ARE half a dozen endings too this movie but it isn't like there is one twist after another - Aldini's statement could have been misinterpretted this way. The ending is just in keeping with Tolkein's style. One farewell speech after another as the members of the Fellowship go their separate ways. Closure upon closure upon closure - it is, after all, a very long story.
Overall, very good, definitely deserves Oscar consideration. I am glad this collosal and magnificent story was finally made accessible for the masses. The books are still amazing.
Call me Elle Woods.
I’ll say this. In some ways, I think KING may be the most problematic of the three films in its theatrical version. That’s not to say it’s a bad film or a lesser film or anything like that. It’s just... there is an ambition and a scale to this movie that makes it a daunting juggling act, and in a world where running time and release dates are a consideration, perhaps the material didn’t quite get the fine-tuning it needed.
But more on that later...

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Reader Talkback
woah! by YappysDogTreats | Dec 1st, 2003 04:13:31 AM | whoops by YappysDogTreats | Dec 1st, 2003 04:18:16 AM | Return Of The King by BrentJones | Dec 1st, 2003 04:20:39 AM | why why why why by WorstPoochieEver | Dec 1st, 2003 04:24:18 AM | Can't wait for the Moriarty
review by CarlosTheTackle | Dec 1st, 2003 04:46:42 AM | So Sam (rather than Frodo)
gives another moving
performance, and by Elaine | Dec 1st, 2003 04:49:28 AM | Two Towers:Extended Edt by dab | Dec 1st, 2003 05:12:18 AM | Yes but are there
Ahem...WereWolves and
VAMPIRES??? by Rcamacho2278 | Dec 1st, 2003 05:26:25 AM | It remains to be seen if this
film will return the series to
the by Effigy2002 | Dec 1st, 2003 05:48:05 AM | Gimli is great comic relief?
Wonderful. by St.Buggering | Dec 1st, 2003 05:51:01 AM | Yeah... by Effigy2002 | Dec 1st, 2003 06:04:43 AM | Just as I feared! Juggling
problems!! Jackson can make a
bad fil by TheGinger Twit | Dec 1st, 2003 06:07:08 AM | comic shots in LOTR by Amy Chasing | Dec 1st, 2003 06:07:24 AM | Admission of fault in LOTR
from aicn staffer by Indiana Clones | Dec 1st, 2003 06:31:07 AM | Re: romance by Saracene | Dec 1st, 2003 06:37:23 AM | Not as good as... by HumanDog | Dec 1st, 2003 06:56:33 AM | After such a disappointing
year... by ouagadougou | Dec 1st, 2003 07:02:23 AM | So, is it a major
disappointment ala' The Matric
sequels, a mast by Atticus Finch | Dec 1st, 2003 07:38:42 AM | At last, a non-plant review by orson | Dec 1st, 2003 08:01:11 AM | Bitch, whine, I heard people
laugh, this review is not a
review by CellarDoor | Dec 1st, 2003 08:08:00 AM | "Yes but are there
Ahem...WereWolves" by Wyrdy the Gerbil | Dec 1st, 2003 08:20:57 AM | How the fuck can you complain
about Bilbo's "gollum" moment
in R by minderbinder | Dec 1st, 2003 08:58:51 AM | My take on PJ's Gimli by Southpaw Samurai | Dec 1st, 2003 09:09:08 AM | ...the fuck? by Darth Sticky | Dec 1st, 2003 09:24:30 AM | No, you're not mistaken, Elle by Oberon | Dec 1st, 2003 09:45:56 AM | As with TTT, you can clearly
tell that the movie was cut to
bear by Oberon | Dec 1st, 2003 09:50:55 AM | but is it as tremendous as
Daredevil, Mory?? by pevenscrwn | Dec 1st, 2003 09:51:35 AM | I want RotK NOW!!! by mayaV | Dec 1st, 2003 09:53:12 AM | Where did you see it, Oberon? by minderbinder | Dec 1st, 2003 09:54:19 AM | Dooly - what replaces the
Scouring? Nothing (spoiler) by Oberon | Dec 1st, 2003 09:54:49 AM | Arwen attached to the ring? by Goneburger | Dec 1st, 2003 10:00:06 AM | Deadwood - there are two
different kinds of viewers for
this fil by Oberon | Dec 1st, 2003 10:11:09 AM | I lament the very environment
that generates these
films...in va by Stirling Mel | Dec 1st, 2003 12:01:17 PM | Eowyn/Faramir at the HoH will
definately be on the EE by RawShark | Dec 1st, 2003 12:20:27 PM | Hey Johnny Suede, is your
head full of processed
cow-hide or wh by Snaga-ape | Dec 1st, 2003 12:51:28 PM | So far peter jackson is the
only one to say that this is
the bes by jeffallee | Dec 1st, 2003 12:59:04 PM | Oberon... by mtoast | Dec 1st, 2003 01:36:42 PM | Theatrical/Extended Madness by DarthCorleone | Dec 1st, 2003 01:39:43 PM | Same/More problems than TTT by AlwaysThere | Dec 1st, 2003 01:53:18 PM | Mori's Comment Makes Me Queasy by cabsau | Dec 1st, 2003 01:59:52 PM | Mori's Comment Makes Me Queasy by cabsau | Dec 1st, 2003 02:03:27 PM | BBC Photos & Smootches to
Miami Mofo by JD1866 | Dec 1st, 2003 02:19:33 PM | "So far peter jackson is the
only one to say that this is
the be by minderbinder | Dec 1st, 2003 02:32:12 PM | MASSIVE SW EPISODE III
SCOOP!! YOU NERDS GOTTA SEE
READ THIS! by MichaelJackson | Dec 1st, 2003 02:38:11 PM | I by Quintus_Arrius | Dec 1st, 2003 02:55:58 PM | Spike Rush... by Quintus_Arrius | Dec 1st, 2003 03:03:00 PM | Spike Rush... by Quintus_Arrius | Dec 1st, 2003 03:03:26 PM | Possible reason for not
showing Saruman's demise by afa | Dec 1st, 2003 03:06:26 PM | Are you legally blind?! None
of these reviews have said
this one by jeffallee | Dec 1st, 2003 03:21:45 PM | Oh dear, it sounds ominous to
me. by Fitzcarraldo | Dec 1st, 2003 03:22:27 PM | Before everyone freaks out
about Moriarty's comments... by Mostholy | Dec 1st, 2003 03:39:52 PM | jeffallee, as I said, most
reviews haven't stated which
of the t by minderbinder | Dec 1st, 2003 03:43:12 PM | Wizards, RoTK by MattO | Dec 1st, 2003 04:20:28 PM | LOTR: ROTK by Shunkeat | Dec 1st, 2003 04:25:25 PM | "KING may be the most
problematic of the three films
", oh dear, by the swede | Dec 1st, 2003 04:27:18 PM | Correct me if I'm wrong, but.. by CatoTheCensor | Dec 1st, 2003 04:30:34 PM | mtoast and Deadwood: I love
these movies (by way of
clarificatio by Oberon | Dec 1st, 2003 04:30:42 PM | The EE's are the real version
of the film. Theatrical
versions by FluffyUnbound | Dec 1st, 2003 04:35:57 PM | Don't feel queasy, Cabsau by Oberon | Dec 1st, 2003 04:47:01 PM | An example of why it is a
minor miracle these LOTR films
were ev by Superpaddy | Dec 1st, 2003 04:47:34 PM | A couple more reviews... by minderbinder | Dec 1st, 2003 04:49:46 PM | So what your saying Fluffy is
that Jackson has pioneered a
new e by son of stik | Dec 1st, 2003 04:50:45 PM | Lucas wasn't adopting books
that hold sold 200M copies
over 50 y by Oberon | Dec 1st, 2003 04:52:16 PM | Superpaddy by hattori_hanzo | Dec 1st, 2003 04:54:12 PM | NEW RULE: Since LotR makes
perfect sense without watching
the D by minderbinder | Dec 1st, 2003 04:56:00 PM | Superpappy is my hero by JimmyTheHand | Dec 1st, 2003 05:12:26 PM | please forgive me... by JimmyTheHand | Dec 1st, 2003 05:13:37 PM | Superpaddy by Thing-Fish | Dec 1st, 2003 05:26:01 PM | another for jeffallee by minderbinder | Dec 1st, 2003 05:29:16 PM | Re: Stirling by Ye-Baar | Dec 1st, 2003 05:35:17 PM | Some of you fuckers are so
stupid it's a little sad. by FluffyUnbound | Dec 1st, 2003 05:50:47 PM | Shut the fuck up, you fucking
whining nitpickers by The Flashlight | Dec 1st, 2003 05:51:59 PM | Hear Hear Superpaddy! by Skyway Moaters | Dec 1st, 2003 05:56:38 PM | I reckon... by AliceInWonderlnd | Dec 1st, 2003 05:57:12 PM | Props of the day go to... by Darth Thoth | Dec 1st, 2003 06:01:31 PM | Flashlight by Superpaddy | Dec 1st, 2003 06:17:34 PM | Gaffer hoist a pint votes
Superpaddy "The King of This
TB!" at t by morGoth | Dec 1st, 2003 06:34:50 PM | Erm, well, the Gaffer meant
Superpaddy's FIRST post! by morGoth | Dec 1st, 2003 06:45:22 PM | Whoops! by morGoth | Dec 1st, 2003 06:48:53 PM | Bill Maher. by Tinuviel70 | Dec 1st, 2003 06:56:32 PM | NEW RULE: Bill "Numbnuts"
Maher can't get his facts
straight. by minderbinder | Dec 1st, 2003 07:07:27 PM | Not worldwide, Bill. by FluffyUnbound | Dec 1st, 2003 07:11:33 PM | I must concur with my learned
brother Superpaddy... by Joe Cool #2 | Dec 1st, 2003 07:12:13 PM | superpaddy by DocPazuzu | Dec 1st, 2003 07:25:12 PM | Oh boo hoo...now he's "not
serious." by Tinuviel70 | Dec 1st, 2003 07:29:33 PM | NOW THAT'S A FUCKING
REVIEW!!!! by don_gately | Dec 1st, 2003 07:59:19 PM | Bill Maher! by CatoTheCensor | Dec 1st, 2003 08:07:52 PM | NEW RULE: Stop generalizing in
Talkbacks by Oberon | Dec 1st, 2003 08:08:41 PM | Haven't been able to post all
day by elanor | Dec 1st, 2003 08:16:39 PM | DocPazuzu & Deadwood by Superpaddy | Dec 1st, 2003 08:17:19 PM | Supperpaddy... by Quintus_Arrius | Dec 1st, 2003 08:32:15 PM | somwhere over the rainbow by pipergates | Dec 1st, 2003 08:37:13 PM | Spike Rush is a FUCKING LOSER,
LOTR IS 10,000 times better
than by BladeRULES | Dec 1st, 2003 09:04:23 PM | "Um by Indiana Clones | Dec 1st, 2003 09:09:10 PM | Do we really need reviews of
ROTK? by Lost Skeleton | Dec 1st, 2003 09:19:26 PM | TTT EE by John Anderton | Dec 1st, 2003 10:13:39 PM | Guss, I wish all posts could
be like yours. by Devil'sOwn | Dec 1st, 2003 10:24:22 PM | You should be flattered that
Tinuviel70 thinks you are
funny IIa by Tinuviel70 | Dec 1st, 2003 10:33:02 PM | This is for cloudrider - sorry
for the delay by elanor | Dec 1st, 2003 11:03:25 PM | Cannibal Nun - your words of
the day are "cogency" and
"coherenc by Superpaddy | Dec 1st, 2003 11:24:47 PM | Barrage of ring questions... by Yellow-Jacket | Dec 1st, 2003 11:55:16 PM | ttt - 2nd thoughts by Carl Denham | Dec 2nd, 2003 12:07:41 AM | Yellow_Jacket by Balrog77 | Dec 2nd, 2003 12:18:17 AM | I thought I should add... by Balrog77 | Dec 2nd, 2003 12:22:25 AM | I agree with Bill Maher by exPFCWintergreen | Dec 2nd, 2003 12:30:42 AM | GO ON,kick some uruk-hai butt! by trojandragon | Dec 2nd, 2003 12:34:52 AM | Thanks for the replies
Balrog... by Yellow-Jacket | Dec 2nd, 2003 12:37:59 AM | Trojandragon - your five
coolest rock-songs of the last
2 decade by Superpaddy | Dec 2nd, 2003 12:51:30 AM | 5 coolest rock songs by Superpaddy | Dec 2nd, 2003 12:52:33 AM | No probs, Y-J. by Balrog77 | Dec 2nd, 2003 12:58:33 AM | Eureka! by blustreak1281 | Dec 2nd, 2003 01:28:00 AM | Just saw it and i can't get it
out of my head by rkasby | Dec 2nd, 2003 02:03:55 AM | Nervous by BCfreeB | Dec 2nd, 2003 02:07:07 AM | ROTK EE by The Hillbrothers | Dec 2nd, 2003 02:08:15 AM | Mystic River is no competition
for ROTK by The Flashlight | Dec 2nd, 2003 02:23:02 AM | Extended Editions by Frankenfield2k | Dec 2nd, 2003 04:07:53 AM | I swear you Trolls and Haters
Crack me up!.The Two Towers a
Dis by TallScott | Dec 2nd, 2003 05:12:32 AM | Jackson's classics will endure by krylite | Dec 2nd, 2003 05:27:35 AM | JD1866; The Blue Wizard;
Weapons and Warfare by Miami Mofo | Dec 2nd, 2003 06:02:23 AM | "Then you can see there was
magic, obsession and everyone
giving by Indiana Clones | Dec 2nd, 2003 06:04:34 AM | Some more background on the
rings by krylite | Dec 2nd, 2003 06:34:12 AM | get a grip by cptrios | Dec 2nd, 2003 06:40:58 AM | Indiana Clones by thegodfather | Dec 2nd, 2003 08:11:42 AM | "Explain to me then why these
films are utterly pedestrian
and l by minderbinder | Dec 2nd, 2003 08:13:16 AM | So Mori...WHERE'S THE REVIEW? by minderbinder | Dec 2nd, 2003 08:16:46 AM | Balrog and rings discussion. by Conan_the_Humble | Dec 2nd, 2003 08:28:37 AM | Spike Rush... by AliceInWonderlnd | Dec 2nd, 2003 08:59:30 AM | you know what I liked in the
book? by Ryalto 3.0 | Dec 2nd, 2003 09:05:12 AM | Spike Rush are you serious? by Lost Skeleton | Dec 2nd, 2003 09:06:41 AM | Suddenly I have a mental
picture of folks like Ryalto
cowering i by minderbinder | Dec 2nd, 2003 09:17:39 AM | keep drinking the kool-aid,
minderbender by Ryalto 3.0 | Dec 2nd, 2003 10:09:20 AM | "at once he was aware that
hearing was sharpened while
sight was by Indiana Clones | Dec 2nd, 2003 10:21:39 AM | "I suggest one try to
understand the dialog more and
not being i by Indiana Clones | Dec 2nd, 2003 10:41:29 AM | Fear the mighty Dice-Ollers,
Indiana Clones! by raw_bean | Dec 2nd, 2003 10:44:41 AM | ROTK by MR E man | Dec 2nd, 2003 10:49:41 AM | Indiana Clones, don't pansyass
kid's yarns have sugar coated
hap by raw_bean | Dec 2nd, 2003 10:55:10 AM | Indiana Clones = No Brain by FluffyUnbound | Dec 2nd, 2003 10:56:21 AM | Indiana Clones by thegodfather | Dec 2nd, 2003 11:05:50 AM | ummm....Ryalto 3.0 by vekt0r | Dec 2nd, 2003 11:44:35 AM | Ryalto by son of stik | Dec 2nd, 2003 11:52:18 AM | where is Oberon's review? by Ioreth | Dec 2nd, 2003 11:54:07 AM | "why don't you go to ROTK, not
to scrutinize, but for
enjoyment? by Indiana Clones | Dec 2nd, 2003 12:04:27 PM | Cannibal Nun.... by Pontsing Barset | Dec 2nd, 2003 12:36:02 PM | Whatever, Jimmie. If you
could be entertained by AOTC
or TPM, o by FluffyUnbound | Dec 2nd, 2003 12:44:17 PM | "you know and I know that
essentially every intelligent
person i by Indiana Clones | Dec 2nd, 2003 01:30:36 PM | Apparently, Flashlight old
man... by Skyway Moaters | Dec 2nd, 2003 01:50:26 PM | Nihilistic and depressing,
Moaters? by Elaine | Dec 2nd, 2003 01:57:27 PM | Ryalto, you're not cursed with
a brain, you're cursed with
being by minderbinder | Dec 2nd, 2003 02:48:33 PM | TTT: EE by John Anderton | Dec 2nd, 2003 03:07:02 PM | "I don't care what you fat
fucks thought about Matrix or
SW. I w by krylite | Dec 2nd, 2003 05:57:12 PM | no, minderbender by Ryalto 3.0 | Dec 2nd, 2003 09:32:23 PM | The Ridiculous and the
Sublime. by Devil'sOwn | Dec 2nd, 2003 10:48:54 PM | "Absolute power corrupts. the
Ents represent an
environmental aw by Indiana Clones | Dec 3rd, 2003 02:04:00 AM | "I'm sure if confronted
personally, you'd use the old
"If it doe by Indiana Clones | Dec 3rd, 2003 02:06:42 AM | "I'm sure if confronted
personally, you'd use the old
"If it doe by Indiana Clones | Dec 3rd, 2003 02:06:43 AM | hey skyway moater! by slowneasy | Dec 3rd, 2003 03:16:29 AM | Themes/messages in LOTR by raw_bean | Dec 3rd, 2003 04:47:08 AM | slowneasy, how in the hell did
Michael Moore manage it
then?!? by raw_bean | Dec 3rd, 2003 04:48:37 AM | Chapt. 17: I Which IndyKlonez
Reveals He is Ashton Kutcher by Devil'sOwn | Dec 3rd, 2003 08:47:05 AM | LOTR by Indiana Clones | Dec 3rd, 2003 08:54:36 AM | the hobbit by precioussss | Dec 3rd, 2003 08:58:51 AM | Indy Clones and his last
crusade by thegodfather | Dec 3rd, 2003 09:25:40 AM | Indiana Clones - I salute you. by Pontsing Barset | Dec 3rd, 2003 09:39:40 AM | And IC, who is this Ashton
Kutcher fellow that you so
admire? by Pontsing Barset | Dec 3rd, 2003 09:44:11 AM | Very well put godfather. by raw_bean | Dec 3rd, 2003 11:46:56 AM | Star Wars by Indiana Clones | Dec 3rd, 2003 02:28:17 PM | Well Indiana Clones, by raw_bean | Dec 3rd, 2003 08:28:24 PM | Hello oh oh oh... by Skyway Moaters | Dec 5th, 2003 03:02:21 PM | Anyone go to the movies today? by Miami Mofo | Dec 5th, 2003 03:33:41 PM | Dobrij vecher, Elaine, and to
everybody else who by Sabster | Dec 5th, 2003 07:13:05 PM | RAWBEAN! by Bourne GreyElf | Dec 5th, 2003 09:24:55 PM | Hello Gang! by elanor | Dec 5th, 2003 09:37:11 PM | on mounds and wraiths by djinnj | Dec 5th, 2003 09:58:05 PM | d'oh! by djinnj | Dec 5th, 2003 10:01:32 PM | A bit for everyone by Elaine | Dec 6th, 2003 04:13:50 AM | I by Sabster | Dec 6th, 2003 07:01:36 AM | New ten-minute trailer - and
this is how you get to see it! by Elaine | Dec 6th, 2003 07:59:19 AM | "Run, Shadowfax. Show us the
meaning of haste!" by Elaine | Dec 6th, 2003 08:36:17 AM | Stump the connexions bloak
prizes... by Skyway Moaters | Dec 6th, 2003 11:04:53 AM | Well, I by Sabster | Dec 6th, 2003 11:40:55 AM | Well, it SHOULD be possible,
Moaters by Elaine | Dec 6th, 2003 11:44:00 AM | heh by djinnj | Dec 6th, 2003 03:06:59 PM | I have no willpower by djinnj | Dec 6th, 2003 03:57:58 PM | how rude! by djinnj | Dec 6th, 2003 04:20:54 PM | Djinnj, Moaters & Sabster by Elaine | Dec 6th, 2003 07:10:30 PM | GreyElfRELOADED by raw_bean | Dec 6th, 2003 07:42:09 PM | Trilogy Tuesday by raw_bean | Dec 6th, 2003 08:00:42 PM | Elaine, by raw_bean | Dec 6th, 2003 08:10:35 PM | Luthien, Idril, and the
tengwar by djinnj | Dec 6th, 2003 08:32:00 PM | there's is more complete,
raw_bean by djinnj | Dec 6th, 2003 08:51:31 PM | hrm by djinnj | Dec 6th, 2003 09:06:34 PM | Thanks djinnj, by raw_bean | Dec 6th, 2003 09:40:14 PM | Watching the Extended on the
big screen by elanor | Dec 7th, 2003 12:40:13 AM | soundtrack by djinnj | Dec 7th, 2003 02:15:04 AM | Duoxie, Djinnj... by Elaine | Dec 7th, 2003 09:30:38 AM | Bean by Elaine | Dec 7th, 2003 09:50:52 AM | buqetsi, Elaine by djinnj | Dec 7th, 2003 12:41:31 PM | I love the "Varda" idea,
djinnj! by elanor | Dec 7th, 2003 01:43:39 PM | Thanks once more, Djinnj... by Elaine | Dec 7th, 2003 01:52:21 PM | Ah, Elanor! by Elaine | Dec 7th, 2003 02:01:38 PM | Dropping hints, eh? by djinnj | Dec 7th, 2003 03:09:24 PM | Hmmm. Those are good points,
Djinnj. by Elaine | Dec 7th, 2003 04:47:30 PM | djinnj, raw_bean, elanor, and:
the Sabster has the blues by Sabster | Dec 7th, 2003 05:41:26 PM | been thinkin' 'bout Gandalf by djinnj | Dec 7th, 2003 05:45:38 PM | it's on its way, Sabster! by djinnj | Dec 7th, 2003 05:55:52 PM | I suppose I hadn't really
thought it through very well
Elaine. by raw_bean | Dec 7th, 2003 09:13:34 PM | ardalambion by djinnj | Dec 7th, 2003 10:14:05 PM | raw_bean, Elaine by djinnj | Dec 7th, 2003 10:43:22 PM | cutest, even the 'pop' song? by djinnj | Dec 7th, 2003 11:51:35 PM | More on "Into the West", and a
few miscellaneous bits for
those by Elaine | Dec 8th, 2003 04:07:05 AM | Quenya for Bean and Djinnj by Elaine | Dec 8th, 2003 04:31:51 AM | Damn! I meant to write
"SINDARIN for Bean and
Djinnj". by Elaine | Dec 8th, 2003 04:33:08 AM | You take 'home' too literally,
djinnj. by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 05:28:46 AM | It's confirmed. by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 05:35:18 AM | 'Tolkine', new adjective form
of 'Tolkien'. by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 05:53:53 AM | Bean by Elaine | Dec 8th, 2003 06:32:33 AM | Oh, and Bean... by Elaine | Dec 8th, 2003 06:40:18 AM | Walrus J. Mortsleam's review
of the Fellowship Extended
Edition by mortsleam | Dec 8th, 2003 10:54:58 AM | Damn cut'n'paste. Arrgh. by mortsleam | Dec 8th, 2003 10:56:22 AM | Confessions of an ex-catholic
mind by Sabster | Dec 8th, 2003 11:05:16 AM | Clarification and apology: by Sabster | Dec 8th, 2003 11:16:33 AM | Sorry Elaine, but no fear, it
was never 'sposed to be a
serious by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 11:22:22 AM | Only a film Sabster?!? Get
thee gone from this place,
thou villa by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 11:30:10 AM | Oh, and Elaine, by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 11:43:03 AM | Sindarin et al by djinnj | Dec 8th, 2003 12:09:59 PM | Sounds good, djinnj. by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 12:22:23 PM | Oooh, ooh! by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 12:28:34 PM | How about it Tailenders? by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 12:34:33 PM | thoughts on a TE site, and a
super geeky name poss. by djinnj | Dec 8th, 2003 01:31:09 PM | A Tailender club! Yes, why
not? Why not indeed? by Elaine | Dec 8th, 2003 01:47:12 PM | apropos of nothing by djinnj | Dec 8th, 2003 02:18:48 PM | So Quenya IS easier for
beginners than Sindarin,
Djinnj? by Elaine | Dec 8th, 2003 02:23:54 PM | I have only one thing to say
to you, Miami Mofo... by BG | Dec 8th, 2003 03:05:22 PM | Perhaps morGoth would lend use
of the "Club Angband" name... by mortsleam | Dec 8th, 2003 03:58:52 PM | Ah yes, Club Angband! by Elaine | Dec 8th, 2003 04:37:13 PM | oooooh, Club Angband.... by djinnj | Dec 8th, 2003 07:07:10 PM | that's odd... by djinnj | Dec 8th, 2003 07:08:35 PM | post order by djinnj | Dec 8th, 2003 07:09:36 PM | OK, Tailender site: by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 07:48:02 PM | WANNASEEWHERE THISPOSTGOES! On
Tailenders website: by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 07:52:00 PM | LETSTRYAGAIN!
WHERESTHISONEGONNAGO?! On a
Tailender's site: by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 07:55:29 PM | IFIKEEPTRYING
WILLTHISGOSOMEWHERE
SENSIBLE?!? On a Tailender's s by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 07:57:20 PM | IF I KEEP TRY, MIGHT JUST MAKE
IT TO THE TOP!!! On a
Tailender's by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 07:58:29 PM | Still tryING, still tryING! On
a tailender's site (sorry if
this by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 07:59:57 PM | Still hosed? by raw_bean | Dec 8th, 2003 08:05:31 PM | sounds perfect raw bean! (I
wonder where this will go...) by djinnj | Dec 8th, 2003 09:47:05 PM | Beany by BG | Dec 8th, 2003 10:22:37 PM | New theory of "Into the West" by elanor | Dec 8th, 2003 11:00:41 PM | elanor, I'll go with that by djinnj | Dec 8th, 2003 11:39:45 PM | morGoth would be delighted... by morGoth | Dec 9th, 2003 05:40:25 AM | Glad you like the idea, BG. by raw_bean | Dec 9th, 2003 05:43:13 AM | Hoho! Still climbing the TB! by raw_bean | Dec 9th, 2003 05:44:18 AM | Can we appropriate an unhosed
BNAT talkback? After all,
they're by Elaine | Dec 9th, 2003 05:51:16 AM | morG! They said you was hung! by raw_bean | Dec 9th, 2003 05:58:54 AM | Never fear Elaine, my feet are
firmly on the ground. :) by raw_bean | Dec 9th, 2003 06:12:53 AM | All right then, Bean by Elaine | Dec 9th, 2003 06:30:06 AM | Hmmm. The BNAT talkbacks
appear to be hosed, as well. by Elaine | Dec 9th, 2003 06:41:55 AM | Maybe, but I've also got this
pain in all the diodes down my
lef by raw_bean | Dec 9th, 2003 08:55:09 AM | "The second half of the film
elevates all the story
elements to by Elaine | Dec 9th, 2003 09:02:54 AM | prizes could be won! by djinnj | Dec 9th, 2003 09:22:04 AM | maybe we should move anyway by djinnj | Dec 9th, 2003 09:27:59 AM | Nine-pound West Gate of Moria
fudge? Red-eye scarves? by Elaine | Dec 9th, 2003 09:37:58 AM | Hang on, there's a NEW
TALKBACK! by Elaine | Dec 9th, 2003 09:43:57 AM | Sorry Elaine, by raw_bean | Dec 9th, 2003 10:37:21 AM | bean, by djinnj | Dec 9th, 2003 10:40:55 AM | Just in case you still care,
Bean... by Elaine | Dec 9th, 2003 04:04:51 PM | Whoah, the hosing continues! by raw_bean | Dec 10th, 2003 02:40:16 PM | Gaffer sneaks in near
Nobottle! by morGoth | Dec 10th, 2003 07:32:51 PM |
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