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The Penultimate CARNIVALE!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
The season finale airs next week.
One character heals with his hands. Another kills with his mind. Yet another sports a very handsome tattoo!
I know which character I enjoy the most. And it isn’t the guy who looks like he runs a piercing shop on Hollywood Boulevard.
I know which character I enjoy the most. And it isn’t the guy who looks like he runs a piercing shop on Hollywood Boulevard.
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Nov 23, 2003 10:20:00 PM CST
It's nice to know that in my old age (40's), Adrienne Barbeau ca
by rolling_stone
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Communion Razors. You just can't beat imagery like that. Well actually you can, Sophie and Libby, hotcha!
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Besides the casting, anyhow, is the pacing. It's nice to see a show build slowly and allow characters to develop. This is the first series on cable (aside from the odd episode of Oz) I've really taken to. Carnivale & Angel = the only shows on TV worth my time (until Family Guy returns. Did you hear? FOX has admitted its clossal fuckup in that cancellation and is considering 35 new episodes for either FOX or one of the cable channels).
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i agree they are are the best shows/....its just the pacing is driving me crazy....Its like shit!!!!!! who's good and who's evil????? well i think i can guess that now......Yo Brother JUstins sister is craaaaazy!!!!!!! that kissing scene was a bit too freaky 4 me....... Abit children of Dune(ish) for my taste... but damn this show is ssoo good.but i wish the pacing would pick up...its taking way too long to get to the bottom of it....mmmm.good marketing technique..thats maybe why i am addicted to it..
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It just seems to get better and better doesn't it? I still can't believe Brother Justin's sister burnt down the chruch... maaan, they're both crazy. And I thought Six Feet Under was good; this is the best series I've seen on HBO (well... Oz will always be number one in my book but damn this show rocks). I was hoping Brother Justin and Hawkins would finally meet by the season finale but it doesn't look like it. Maybe season 2. Forget Agent Smith and Neo; THIS is the real fight I wanna see. lol So does anyone think that was management talking to Ben in the confession booth? His father maybe? How about Lodz (the blind guy).. maybe he was messing with him. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough... excellent episode! PS - Isn't that Rita Sue hot? I'd wax that azz like mop and hoe all night! *Note to self: must buy Pumpin' Plumpers Vol. 4*
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Anyone heard if this is coming back for another season? I know ratings started strong,then kinda fell off.They renewed The Wire with similar problems(great show,low ratings),so I would hope this is coming back also.Otherwise,I don't see how in the hell they plan to tie up all the loose ends,unless of course,that's the idea.
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... on CHUD they mentioned that Family Guy might be picked up by Comedy Central. Hope so.. I wouldn't want to see this on Fox again; they didn't treat it like the gem of a show it was. Besides, somethings gotta replace that damn unfunny Kid Notorious. "Stewie - My god!... did he just say bang my girlfriend on TV??"
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Nov 24, 2003 2:16:21 AM CST
I had to tape Alias tonight so I won't see this until Monday.
by russman
I really hope they start answering questions. I'll be so pissed if they have a cliffhanger. I won't be watching season 2 if it means another 12 hours of more and more unanswered questions. I've already sat through that mess called The Matrix already.
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I too enjoy the fallen priest story much better then the "out of place carnie healer who was in terminator 3" story.
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First of all, I had been under the impression that this was a 10 part close ended series, which I guess is not the case. As for whether or not it will be renewed, please. Arli$$ ran FOREVER and that was the most unfunny thing I've seen. Carnivale will be back. And speaking of FOX, I want to meet the genius who cancelled Andy Richter Controls the Universe and kick him sqauw in the nuts.
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Best Show on right now. Samson dropped a very important clue tonight to Hawkins which made me connect something. Remember The Babylon episode. Hawkins goes threw the cave and walks into the WW1 setting. Lodz asks have you seen my bear and the bear mauled the russian soldier but the russian soldier got a shot off and supposedly shot and killed the bear. Did the bear mail the russian soldier and maul his legs so they had to be cut off? Did The Russian Soldier Die? Who Knows but Scudder and Lodz lived and went to the states and started the carnivale. Could This be the terrible thing that happened in the old country that the bear mauled the russian soldier? Did the russian soldier live on as only a sprit hence no physical manifestation of mangagement Could the russian soldier be Managment? Did the Russian soldier punish Lodz for the bear attack and made him go blind and a servant to his cause? Heres some thoughts to support it At the end of episode 2 as the simease twins are singing Hawkins walks up to the trailer and sees the Bears hat hanging hanging from the trailer. Watch the begining of the first episode and super slo mo it youll get flashes from every episode and even on I cant place which must be Episode 12? The Tattoo guy I think is a symbol for Hawkins destiny which he keeps running away from but the destiny still goes after him. Ive paused the times ive seen the tattoo guy and I get the impression the tree symbolizes a family tree the way the branches and then branch off So this could be the long line of good. tonight I was puzzled at the begining what exactly were the symbols on the metal wafer Brother Justin was feeding his followers. Id love to see a Season 2 and I think there will have to be I sure the hell hope its not the usual HBO waiting time like 12-18 months
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Seinfeld got it wrong. CARNIVALE is the show about NOTHING. I'm intruiged...and I've watched every episode waiting for something to happen...but NOTHING EVER DOES! There better be some serious forward movement in this last episode or I won't be sticking around for season 2. Carnivale is the anti-Alias.
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Yes it is, because it's still interesting. This show is amazing in how it dares to be different. Slow building story, no anvils dropping on my head, the hot girls are heavy, the struggle for control done by "handicaped" people, adultry being hot, incest being so overt.
I absolutely love this show. Clancy Brown, who I knew but really paid no attention to, is truly amazing as Brother Justin. Seriously. If he isn't nominated for an award someone will have to pay. -
The people that don't like the pacing read far less than the people who do. The show is presented very much like a novel. Think about it. The Chapters (episodes) aren't self contained, but build toward a climax. In the meantime you are supposed to enjoy the development of characters and be drawn by th growing mystery. I think it is exceptionally well done.
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You may have hit on something Jason. Everyone I know that loves the show are also avid readers.
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It wasn't working. What did Lodz do and why? I don't know if the show is the best on TV (since it CAN be slow at times, and some of the carnie archs I don't give a damn about), but it's real intriguing. Clancy Brown is damned good as Brother Justin.
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Nov 24, 2003 10:57:36 AM CST
The problem, unfortunately, is that it's a mystery that doesn't
by lenny nero
What is the tagline for both SINGING DETECTIVEs? All clues, no solutions. I too have watched every episode, and I fear that all these theological/mythological references will add up to absolutely nothing in the end. First they fuck up the story of Babylon, and now there's probably not enough time to explore Adrienne Barbeau as Eurydice and Ben as Orpheus. The show is a jumble of interesting things that never pay off. I'm sorry. I tried. I truly did. But Carnivale just isn't saying ANYTHING.
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Enjoy.
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I had high hopes for Carnivale and K Street. First, I'm an avid reader, so that theory is debunked. Second, I'm a connoisseur of all things odd and religious. I gave Carnivale seven episodes. Each week I grew more and more sullen... as the show treaded water over and over and over and nothing happened. Characters learned things about themselves that WE knew on episode one. I still have the last two or three episodes TiVo'd, just in case I decide to see this thing through, but it sounds like more of the same. I doubt it will be back for more. I'm done with it. Can't wait for Sopranos, Curb and the Wire.
I gave K Street four episodes. That show just sucked ass, plain and simple. Nothing is worse than actors trying to improvise dramatic conversations. Hire some writers and script the show for the love of God. These actors are all creepy and boring. There's a reason very few actors write screenplays. It's a different talent. -
Nov 24, 2003 12:04:03 PM CST
No, there's no "symbol" on the razor blades Justin fed to the pe
by aceattorney
Hello? Symbols on the razor blades? Nope, that's just how razor blades used to look like.
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Where you kept waiting for all the loose threads and non-sequiturs to be tied up and resolved, and finally it hits you -- Sam Kieth didn't know where the fuck HE was going with all the crap, and neither do the producers and writers of "Carnivale." Weirdness just for the sake of weirdness only works if there's an inevitable payoff. I got bored with it about two eps ago, and I don't know that I'll be back.
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People who say this is boring and nothing happens are the kind of people that want instant gratification, they want to know what happens at the end of the story a quarter way through a book, they want to shoot their load and roll over and go to sleep.
This show is a thinking mans show, its not one that is going to give you everything on a silver platter like most shows that you can figure out within the first 15 minutes.
It is all about character development and leading up to something big. Thats why you have to pay attention to the things that are said or mentioned, think about it and make your own conclusions until something is brought up to do a 180 in your mind.
As far as the person who said that Curb Your Enthusiasm is a good show, now that is one show that shouldnt of been made, he only had his chance to make a show cause of Seinfelds success. I personally think you need to be a jew or something to understand all the stupid crap that goes on in that show. Larry David is about as talented as the stomach bile i brought up after drinking too much tequila.
I look at Carnivale as a Vertigo comic book come to life, which Vertigo has done some great books over the years like 100 Bullets, Preacher, Sandman and so on... I cant wait til next year for season 2, i know i always Tivo Carnivale in case i miss something or wonder about it, or if someone decides to call me at the wrong moment.
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Ive been toying with the idea that maybe it's Sophie, then last night in the lesbian sequence there was evidence of the stigmata. That pretty much clinched it for me.
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Boring? Fine, go watch Alias, lots of stupid crap happens. How many shows do you get a teenage girl strung up with harlot carved in her forhead? Then sentanced to sexual purgatory? Thats twisted. Bears attacking soldiers, snakecharmers murdered devilishly, midgets shooting wierdos, lesbianism, strippers, whores, secret cults, crazy preachers, mad houses, broken necks, burning orphans, incest, torture, rape, murder. Yeh, nothing happens on this show.
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Someone else said it perfectly, the writers (of which there are apparently many) had no idea where this was going. Its just like X-File, only X-files tooks several seasons to collapse on itself, primarily because it had very good self-contained episodes that had nothing to do with the "big picture" story line. Carnivale doesn't have that. The pacing is nothing like a good novel. There is no mystery to be solved. I'm looking forward to some big 'ol dues ex machina to explain everything.
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Nov 24, 2003 2:19:20 PM CST
"the writers (of which there are apparently many) had no idea wh
by e.c.
This is still the first season, and the season finale hasn't even happened yet. There are OBVIOUS AND CONSISTENT hints that Ben and Justin will eventually learn of their past, focus their powers, and have some epic good v evil fight. But.... the show has no aim.....???? If you don't like the show's pacing or set-up, okay. Just don't make up baseless bullshit about aimlessness.
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My mom's theory is that Henry Scudder had used his power to save Ruthie once, so Ben couldn't do it again. ..And Lodz knows this. I can't remember if Scudder had saved Ruthie's life or just healed her from something, but I give my mom props for picking up on that. ;) That, and for guessing right away that the people of Babylon were ghosts.
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Nov 24, 2003 2:24:00 PM CST
Just to clarify, I never said nothing happens on this show.
by chastain-86
It's just kind of like hanging out at the bus station. Lots of things happen, most of it's twisted and wrong, and at the end of the day, you're no farther down the road than when you started. The lack of plot development in this show is staggeringly tedious, if by plot development we mean "resolution of previous threads and introduction of new ones." As it stands, what can you say for absolute certain HAS happened? Would anyone be surprised if suddenly this show turned into the "Dallas" dream episode?
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Sorry if I'm not a "thinking" man. Maybe German Scat porn is the "thinking man's porn" but I don't like it. Hell, there's someone to like ANYTHING. Now Carnivale is something I have been WANTING to like (unlike the aforementioned German product) and TRYING to like and if they sped it up and gave us some cool action I WOULD like it. I like the cast a lotand I don't want to see it wasted. But Carnivale is expensive and complex as hell to produce (according to their own behind the scenes docu-thingy shown mid-season ) and if it doesnt create or maintain the networks subscriber base it will END! and it will have been a VERY PROMISING failure. How 'bout you think about THAT, "Thinking Man".
Carnivale isn't "smarter" that other shows. It's a re-tread of some VERY BASIC themes - it's in the exact same camp as X-Files, American Gothic, Haunted, Millenium I could go on and on. (ONE of those shows was a success.) It COULD be the new X-Files AND be incredibly gripping. They just need to do MORE of what they're already doing - more healing, more magic, LESS doldrumy whining from Sophie - more lines AND plot development for the masterfully charismatic midget manager. Some actual interaction between the Carnivale and Clancy Brown (Brother Justin Crowe.) Someone needs to do a Melrose Place like overhaul of the scripts on this thing so we can all get cheering and having Carnivale parties. So close yet so far.
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Nov 24, 2003 5:26:05 PM CST
Yes people who think Carnivale is boring should just turn on som
by smeg for brains
I much prefer a show that gets me to watch the next episode just so that I can see what is going to happen next. I've noticed that the best shows, or rather the ones that I enjoy the most are serialized stories. Carnivale is layng out a complex story in front of the viewer, and you have to actually pay attention to what is happening, or you won't see that story. Babylon 5 was similar in how you had to actually watch it and remember things in order to fully understand what was happening. The Sopranos, though I like it, is obviously just being slapped together as it goes on. The X-files (again a good show) was that way as well. Most of the overall "story arch" were just unrelated things from various episodes that were eventually forced together into something that just didn't work in the end (I mean that black oil stuff was great when it was another alien intelligence that could control someone, but what was with turning it into a virus tht grew alien greys? That just sucked). I love that next week is the last Carnivale, and there will probably be more questions than answers. It will just keep me anxiously awaiting season 2 (which HBO had better order!). THis show feels like it has a point, and is leading to something big. It's fine if that something big doesn't happen right away.
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I gave it a shot, and yes I too am an avid reader, so that has nothing to do with liking this show. The creators don't realize that you can't string your audience along AN ENTIRE SEASON without giving them one satisfying moment. Plus you know at the season finale that nothing is going to be resolved. THE SOPRANOS also has ongoing story arcs that take a season or two to resolve, but they also pepper the show with enough entertainment to actually KEEP YOU ENTERTAINED! You couldn't wait to tune in next week to see what was going to happen. I know every time that I hit play on my Tivo to watch Carnivale, it's going to be a let-down (granted there were a few decent episodes this year) and I'm always right. Count me out of Season Two. Bring on Curb Your Enthusiasm. And to the bigot above who says only Jews would like this show-first off I'm not Jewish and I love it. Secondly, The show has more entertainment in 30 minutes than Carnivale has all season.
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David Chase has already said as much. The only reason he brought Pussy back in the second season was because people kept asking him "what happened to Pussy?" Originally Pussy disappearing was nothing more than losing an unimportant secondary character to give Tony a reason to be depressed in that episode. Sure their might be some things more planned now than before, but I doubt anything in seasons three or four were planned out in any detail. It's not a bad way to make a series. Sometimes the show flows better if you write it in a way that each episode plays off what was done before, rather than having it set in stone ahead of time. Still Carnivale feels a lot more intentional, which makes it more intrigueing because you know something is happening, and eventually you will look back on earlier episodes and say "oh that is what this meant". Carnivale is a SERIALIZED story. each episode isn't supposed to have an ending, they are all just parts of the whole. You can't say, "they aren't giving us anything". They are giving you everything, and you just haven't gotten enough to put it all together yet. If you are too impatient to wait and see, then that is your problem. Episodic television tells self contained stories. They might link together in some way, but each has it's own conclusion. Carnivale isn't episodic in nature. It isn't a fault, it is just a different type of story telling, that American television doesn't often go into, except for soap operas which again aren't planned stories. If you don't like the nature of the type of show that Carnivale is then don't watch it.
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You guys are right about Carnivale not having enough action. It would be kick ass if there was an episode where the baggage car had a bomb on it, and if the baggage car dropped below 15mph, the bomb would blow up. Then Ben could beat up the bad guy with a spinning bullet-time crane kick, then disarm the bomb with his God-magic.
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The priest in the confessional is obviously Skudder, Ben Hawkins even refers to him by name. As for the russian officer, if these powers and roles are hereditary, this must be Justin's father. Sophie seems to be Ben's sister. As for the pacing, all I can say is all this built up tension better result in a satisfying reveal in the season finale. I can only take so much, and a "blow off," fitting as it might be for a carny show, will make swear off the show forever.
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Cannibal Nun. Your Post was quite humourous you give so much description of the viewers of Carnivale you yourself must be what you describe. *Clerks Cartoon Flashback* One Of US One Of US oonga bonga ONE OF US ONE OF US I look foward to Carnivale. I look Foward to The Wire and Six Feet Under. The Sopranos im indifferent about because it has to work its way to come back into the show it was its most definetely a shadow of its former self. Furio Drinks himself silly and fucks Meadow and cheats on Paulie. Carnivale though slow especially for a 12 or 13 episode season has been building up some great tension the only kind of tension that can build from its type of storytelling. People who call it boring have been raised on the crap of TV the type of people who think Friends is comedic genius. They dont like to think much and dont like to feel the need to really change there life or even think outside the box. There the kind of people that would want Management to show itself right away and be a carnival attraction because they cant accept the mystery of it all. Management was intresting for the first part of the season because it was this unseen force and we werent really sure it existed but with the end of Episode 8 hearing that voice talking to Samson and the grin of Lodz was so awesome. Why was it awesome because of the build up. Because of the storyline and because of the plot. Think outside the box people. I Love Sopranos but logically its about a group of adult children with sex addiction problems and low self esteem and low grades in school so they turned to a life of crime. I Loved Sopranos when it was about Tony and Melfi thats the good stuff. The Mafia is just part of the story because a) He Grew up in it what was he going to do because a doctor? B) Tony wasnt able to be fully a man because of an overdemanding mother and then in so is immature and unable to not cheat on Carmella because of the mother figure he was presented. anyways enough about the Bada Bing Gang. I cant understand that Normal Gen Y wouldnt watch Carnivale because well personally its over the head of someone in that age group. Its over the heads of most of the tv watching public hence the people who find Friends to be so just darn funny and feel really Happy Matt Leblanc is geting a spinoff. I Love Carnivale cause it is different I look foward to new episodes and developments and I like to be shocked or surprised or click into a plot because of somthing that happened 4 episodes ago. Much like anything that is new and maybe different and intelligent it doesnt exist too long in the 21st Century. I look Foward to Carnivale Season 2 . Now Harry (God) who gave dominion of the talkback to the crafty ape you called geek is there still nobility here and honour or has the false sun exploded over trinty and have we forever given up wonder and awe for Reason Of Bullet Time Matrix Tech
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I don't watch "Voyager" or "Farscape". I do watch "Angel" however.
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You made some valid points. One persons hackwork is another persons original ideas. Thats what makes this world great I enjoy the show. I think I got caught up in Talkback fever and sort of insulted one of my own. I enjoy the weird and things off the beaten path and you can definetely agree theres not much of that anymore on TV
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as to those of you claiming the show doesn't know where it's going (a la The X-Files in later seasons when things fell beyond repair plot-wise): the producers have said all along that Ben & Brother Justin would not meet until the end of the first season at the earliest, so there must be some sort of direction (and some plan/hope for a second season). If you want constant action/entertainment, spend your time on Alias or better yet, read Cannibal Nun's posts; they're definitely geared at hyperactive sixth-graders.
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...are getting hitched. All you other Ophelias can get your asses to a nunery. The Wire is an apt comparison to Carni-bore. The Wire is a show that starts a season with an event (14 dead russian prostitutes in season 2) that doesn't resolve until the final episode of the season. This is a "serialized" story. Some plot points stretch across all of the episodes, others last three or four episodes, still others begin and end in one episode. And yet, each episode is exciting, suspenseful, touching, funny, scary... in and of itself. Twists are twists we don't see coming a mile away. The dialogue is crisp, and even better, real. Sticking every Great Depression slang word into your script so that you can have a web page dedicated to Great Depression slang does not good writing make. "What's wrong with you, hay-seed?" "I'm tired of sleeping bunk on my ears." "Enough of this boosh-wash, let's go find a soda jerk." Bleechhh! In summary, Carnivale is a poorly written, well-acted bore. And the Nun and I are getting hitched.
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I am so glad that I checked out the Carnivale talkback today. I found out about the possibility of Family Guy being revived. That is awesome news. I just ordered the Vol. 2 dvd and can't wait to get it. I also downloaded the Carnivale game last sunday after the episode, but didn't get a chance to play it yet. The Carnivale characters are really great. I hope the show and actors are nominated for Emmys. They deserve it.
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Nov 25, 2003 11:05:48 AM CST
ktownman, is there any reason why you APOLOGIZED to Cannibal Nun
by e.c.
After getting insulted for a valid difference of opinion, YOU apologize to HIM? Shit, it's not like he even KNOWS what he's talking about. "New demand for 'weird' entertainment." Where the fuck did this demand come from? What other movies or shows in recent memory have been top-rated successes for being weird? Gee, that's funny, Carnivale is the only thing I can think of, and I guess those sole 4 geeks-in-the-basement that watch it must really be heavy contributors to HBO since Carnivale is just suit's way of making some cash. Way to make a point there, Nun. Carnivale's problem is simple, and it's already been said: Pacing. It's a slow show, and the carnie storyline arcs just aren't all that interesting. I'll concede this fully, since *I* was about to lose interest until another Ben flashback. But all this other pretentious bullshit that people come up with to slam the show is just reaching. Aimlessness? Lack-of-originality? Get the fuck over yourselves.
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1. If you don't like it shut the fuck up already and change the goddamn channel. No, I said SHUT THE FUCK UP already!
2. Management is the Russian soldier and is Justin/Alexi and Iris/Irina's dad. 3. Sophie is either Ben or Justin's half-sister.
4. It's likely Ben wasn't able to heal Ruthie because he was too far away from a life source to do so.
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I've sat through almost every episode of Carnivale, read everything I could get my hands on, and I still have no idea what the hell I'm looking at. I find the Ben Hawkins storyline the least interesting because he's perpetually moody and you know very little about him. The Brother Justin storyline is more interesting, but what keeps me watching is whether Jonsey and Sofie will get together. I stopped watching K Street after about four episodes. It's just too hard to follow.
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you're obnoxious number 1 is bad advice IMHO. Can't speak for everyone but I really wanted to like Carnivale and I get the sense that it hasnt lived up to its potential. It could certainly keep all the elements its fans like and appeal to a mass audience without sacrificing its soul, I believe. I dont want it cancelled I want to post on this board in the ( faint but far from impossible( hope that someone at Carnivale reads it. That way it wont get cancelled and we can all be happy.
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Still the best, most intelligent show on TV! Except maybe MNF!
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You're a funny guy. BTW, check out the Talkback now, loser.
This is what nun had to say back, i think we should all donate some money to Jerrys Kids in Nuns honor. Cause after all his psycho babble, im sure we can all agree he rides the short yellow bus on a daily basis. -
So i make mistakes when i type to lonely fuckheads who have nothing better to do than type what i type, so im posting here so you wont have anything to cut and paste.
All i can say is i feel sorry for your lack of imagination in this whole situation. You remind me of someone in high school that is so inept of things, they can only nitpick about the little things in people. I bet your life is so miserable, you have nothing to show for it. Go wash the floors tonight with some Ammonia and Bleach, maybe that will clear your sinus' so you can think more clearly. -
Now, he's looking pretty damned antagonistic, but I'm still not all that sure what his main goal is with Ben. Anyone?
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He mentioned that he'd given his sight for just a taste of the power Ben has; perhaps he just wants to control Ben (to have his ear, so to speak) and thus control the power. He certainly sees it as a way to regain Management's confidence, which he once had but lost (obviously Management is speaking to him again, so he's on the right path there).
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Did anybody catch on the hbo.com website the carnivale fact about the drink Lodz is always drinking. Cant quite remember the name anyways it said "Over Abuse can cause seizures and delusions" granted ok thats part of his act and maybe he cant call his talent at will but an intresting fact unless its Ben or somebody inclined to the force LOL. Hbo.com is great for the episode guides explaing some of the facets of the episode some might miss. The character profiles also explain some things not adressed on the show like "Lodz ran the Carnivale before Samson and then lost favour with Management and Samson was promoted. Now it doesnt say yes or no if Lodz could see before falling out with management and possibly Managment blinded him. My Best guess for management is a) Apollina (Sophie's Mother) B) Russian Soldier C) Tree Tattoo guy . If The Russian Soldier was management it would explain some plot hints especially the Bear Scene. The Russian Soldier is definetely the father of Justin and Iris. So if the russian soldier is management it would explain that Justin would be called to the Carnivale somewhere down the road? Will Brother Justin take his newfound cult on the road and get more followers and will a stop in a town where the carnivale happens to be. Justin would recognize Ben and Ben would recognize Justin hell the ammount of dreams they have had about each other. In the aslyum Justin wrote his gospel or his plans or whatever so he definetely plans to take his plans foward and believe to be the right of god so is Ben the Left or Sophie. Every character in the carnivale has a symbol or realated to the bible. Even Brother Justin's Character are the same. Im an atheist and never been to church but even I can figure out the relations of the characters to bibical figures or events corresponding to it
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I'll let you rant on about the stupid things you say, cause i know it will make you feel better in the end. I know you feel inferior to alot of these people on here or in life for that matter.
You know nothing about me, which is the good part, cause if you did, you would probably self lobotamize yourself for all the ignorant fucked up things you have said on here.
I probably make more money a year than you and actually have more to show for it. I dont know if you have a big house with 2 cars, a bike and cottage on the lake.
Hmmm.. i think not, cause you probably live in your one bedroom apartment with your beat up Neo Geo that has 120,000 miles on it. Waiting for that day that you will make it to head cashier over at the local Walgreens.
For the sake of humanity, just mix one part Bleach and one part Ammonia together and breath deep. Your almost as hated as George W, cept one difference, you havent pissed off the whole world, yet! -
is now officially better paced and filled with more drama and conflict than season one of Carnivale.
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Lodz told Ben that he "gave up his sight" to get the little bit of power that he has. So it's doubtful Management had anything to do with the blinding, unless it was Management that granted him the power. Also, it was implied in the show that Lodz ran the show before Sampson (but lost Management's favor).
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WOW!! This talkback has gotten argumentative! I know it's been covered, but Lodz+bear in dream sequence + bear hat on Management trailer = Russian Soldier/ Justin's father is Management. In what current state? Management is using Ben as bait for Justin. Anyone have further thoughts on the Stigmata thing? What about Sophie's reasoning for the romp with Diner guy way back when?
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