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Sirius Black has seen Brad Bird and Pixar's INCREDIBLES! & Guess What... it's INCREDIBLE!
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Harry here, and the only reason I'm not spitting in jealousy about this fella seeing THE INCREDIBLES so dag gum early is I just left the John Saxon hosted double feature of STRANGE SHADOWS IN AN EMPTY ROOM and BLACK CHRISTMAS... with John standing right beside my chair on the aisle as the last 10 minutes of BLACK CHRISTMAS played and watched him suppress a smile and a giggle to himself as that phone rang. Plus his signature joins Jim Kelly's on my ENTER THE DRAGON one-sheet so... I'm pretty damn frickin' pleased with life at the moment, so Sirius Black seeing a 90% incomplete print of THE INCREDIBLES tonight... well, while I would love to see it in rough story boards and rough animation... just to see the Pixar process unfold, if nothing else... But also, cuz I know so many of them boards were probably done by Brad Bird, cuz... he does that type of thing... sigh... THE INCREDIBLES sounds like a very apt title for this film coming in almost exactly a year from now... Here's the first word....
Hi Harry,
I attended a general audience test screening of Pixar's The Incredibles in Emeryville this afternoon (lucky me!). I don't know what I can tell you about it, other than summarizing the story and characters and such, all of which may change in the coming year, I'm sure. It was very, very rough cut; well over 90% of it was storyboards and rough animatics; there were only two brief shots that could have possibly been completed, but I have no way of knowing whether or not they were. I'll tell you what I know, then what I think.
It starts out with Mr. Incredible (Craig T. Nelson) having a really busy day, people robbing banks and blowing up buildings, and he's getting married to Elastigirl (Holly Hunter), when the adolescent president of his fan clubshows up with the intention of becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick (coining himself Incrediboy), but quickly proves to be a greater liability and is rejected. The day ends with a would-be suicide victim suing Mr. Incredible for a broken collar bone inflicted while saving his life. This sets a precedent; superheroes are being slapped with so many lawsuits that the government is forced to set up an protection program, sending Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl to anonymous suburbia to lead normal lives and raise a family.
Mr. Incredible, known as Bob Parr, doesn't like his new life. He doesn't like being pushed around by his pushy little boss (Wallace Shawn) or the immoral business he's involved in (he reviews insurance claims). He tells his wife he's going bowling so that he can listen to police scanners with his friend Lucius Best, formerly Frozone (Samuel L. Jackson). When he receives a mysterious invitation to stop an intelligent defense robot rampaging a remote tropical island, he accepts, but he can't tell his wife Helen; she's worked hard to build their new life and can't abide his nostalgia for heroics.
He defeats the robot and comes home, beginning a business relationship with the people who hired him, but his wife becomes suspicious of an affair when she finds a strand of his female informant Mirage's hair on his clothes, until she notices his old costume has been mended, and realizes her competition isn't another woman.
When Bob leaves for another "conference", she contacts fashion designer Edna Mode, aka "E", the only one Bob would have trusted to do the repairs, who's taken the liberty of designing new suits for the whole family, including angsty pre-teen Violet, who can turn invisible and generate force fields, and rambunctious Dash (guess what his power is), and even baby Jack Jack, whose powers are still unknown. She learns from E how to find Bob and borrows a jet from the government to go reprimand or save Bob (she isn't sure which). The two older children stow away, and the three find themselves with Mr. Incredible on the island volcano base of Syndrome, the would-be Incrediboy (Jason Lee), who's made a fortune designs weapons and defense systems and intends use it to destroy the elitist superhero community of which he couldn't be apart. I was so excited to hear Jason Lee's voice, but less excited about the role he was in; the villain nearly as threatening as one would hope, and while his motives are original and can be sympathized with, there's no question that the character's just pathetic, and kind of annoying (he looks and sounds just like the WB's Freakazoid, a similarity that's even more pronounced in the few CG sequences I saw him in than the 2D storyboards).
Syndrome wants to send another of his intelligent robots to the mainland to make a little trouble, then orchestrate his own destruction of the robot, making himself a hero - after killing the Incredibles. He leaves to do this with the family held captive; their escape is aided by his assistant Mirage, and they return to San Francisco to stop Syndrome's plan from exacting too much damage. His plot is instantly foiled by his own robot, which instinctively destroys the remote control that would deactivate it. It's up to the Incredibles and Frozone to stop the beast. After a climactic battle, they do so, and return home just in time to see Syndrome kidnapping baby Jack Jack; the attempt is botched by Jack Jack himself in a display of power I can't quite do justice; in storyboard form it looked like he was emulating between three or four superheroes, including the Human Torch and the Hulk. At the end of the day, a renewed sense of respect for superheroes is displayed by the public, and the government admits their value to society; their days of living in anonymity are over.
The growth and unity of the family is every bit as touching as Monsters Inc. and Finding Nemo (well, maybe not quest as much as Monsters Inc., I hold that one pretty high), but the action sequences really hold their own against any other superhero movie. The humor is more abundant that in recent Pixar attempts and more mature, but still suitable for the whole family (a scene where Mr. Incredible wants a cape on his new suit, but E rattles off endless examples of superheroes who have died in terribly ironic cape accidents; another where Frozone argues with his wife over whether or not he can have his suit as the robot ravages the city right outside their living room window; when Syndrome meets the whole Incredible family, he exclaims "You married Elastigirl...and got busy!").
One problem I noticed, in the cut I saw anyway, was lack of development in a lot of the individual characters. We know Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl pretty well early on, but the kids, the villain, the supporting characters we only understand through rather broad generalizations. Violet feels like an outsider; she has gifts she can't use and has to keep a secret, she assumes she's unacceptable because her abilities can't be accepted. Dash needs an outlet for his abilities, but his mother won't let him go out for sports, so he makes mischief at school instead. We don't see much of Frozone, but he's Samuel L. Jackson; very much the opposite of his character in Unbreakable, which despite glaring dissimilarities, this movie reminded me of frequently.
Every Pixar film I see, I have to stop and consider afterwards whether or not it's the best I've seen yet. The jury's still out on this one, but I can tell you it was absolutely excellent. The questionnaire we had to fill out afterwards was completely absurd; it asked what the best scenes and worst scenes were, whether it went too slow or too fast, which characters we liked best. There were no best or worst scenes, it was executed beautifully. I hope they don't change anything in the final cut, side from actually animating it this time.
I don't see myself getting this lucky in the future, but everything you post comes from someone with a name, so if you use this, call me Sirius Black.To answer some of the questions in Talkback below... Why have a screening at this rough of stage? Well, they always do this with animation, because if you don't test it at this stage, then testing it with finished animation... if you have to change anything... it costs too much to REANIMATE whole sequences. This way, you're testing the ideas and gags... to see if the story works, the characters work... As for, did this screening happen. Yes, I had reports that this screening was set to take place about a week ago.
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Pixar has yet to fail. Here's hoping this lives up to that track record.
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Wasn't Ewan Mcgreggor supposed to be in this film?
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Nov 23, 2003 2:17:41 AM CST
This movie is gonna suck so bad! Talk about a Disney ripoff. W
by cranialleak
If you believed that subject line, you're a goon. Can't wait! Such a huge fan! Incrediboy...hehe...priceless!
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"There were no best or worst scenes, it was executed beautifully"
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I can't wait for the movie, but reviewing it in this condition is just ridiculous. At least wait for it to be half way completed.
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Did the other Pixar flicks do this? It just seems incredibly odd to me.
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who cares if its a plant or not. even if i dont see another picture or trailer for this till it comes out next year, its a PIXAR animated flick, so you know i'll be there along with everyone else and their mother and kids.why the fuck would pixar need to plant anything at all. JEEZ!! their past work speaks for itself. NUFF SAID!!
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Ewan is in ROBOTS, which is the new Fox cg-filmfrom Chris Wedge.
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They need The Incredibles!
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It is a common practice to do audience test screenings. There is nothing "incredibly odd" about it at all. They just want to see what people think so if it sucks they can fix it! Not that Pixar has too much to worry about... The day they put out a bad film is the die I give up!
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Why the hell would Pixar need a plant? I mean thats just funny of you think about it... heh heh. Like they are a bunch of fuckin' amatuers or something...
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Pixar can do no wrong.
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Sirius Black is a known fugitive with a strking resemblence to Gary Oldman. Do not approach this man on your own. Instead, contact the CIA or the Ministry of Magic ASAP. Be warned, he could mix truth with falsities to confuse you.
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Nov 23, 2003 3:39:41 AM CST
There's nothing odd about having a test screening for a film tha
by gheorghe zamfir
Ok then.
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Thats whats going on here. This may be part of the reason that Pixar makes good movies, unlike 90% of the crap hollywood puts out. Maybe this ought to be done more often by studios...
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I don't know how or why I got to see this movie. I'm a jerk college student, being deliberately late for class when I was recruited by someone on campus. I asked her why, but she didn't know, she's just paid to hand out fliers. That was the last question I asked. "Plant"? I'm very flattered :)
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Nov 23, 2003 6:37:16 AM CST
Ironic cape accidents... sounds like a good name for a band
by theaquabatman
Honestly, why do superheros need capes? Because they are image freaks. The rustling of that thing must drive Superman's superhearing absolutely CRAZY! Why does one wear a cape? to keep warm, i dunno... and Bats, that's really got to hinder the back kicks. I hated reading this review - absolutely hated it because now I know i've got to wait a Whole YEAR to see this glorious supercool pixar goodness. I cant handle it. I want more. I want Pixar. And I want it NOW. ENUFFSED
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Nov 23, 2003 6:40:08 AM CST
Do you think miyazaki does public test screenings this early?
by radical_edward
No, i don't fucking think so. he doesn't let anyone see his work till it's done. why? cos he's a fucking artist, man.
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With movies like the Matrix and Terminator 3 out, machines and robots have been getting portrayed in the worst of light, often seen as monsters and oppressors. The last "pro-robot" film I saw was indeed THE IRON GIANT, and it was the creative styles of Brad Bird that showed us that mankind has a long way to go to become decent compassionate humans, operating fully realized, meaning full lives. Consider the archetypal representation of human fear and animosity contained within the government authority figure Kent Masley, who was so sure of the evil nature of THE GIANT, that he order Him nuked even though it meant his own demise. It is when confronted with this type if irrationality that we find that the monster/oppressor is not within THE GIANT, but within Kent Masleys own humanity, and the oppression and destruction doesn
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Bob Parr is my dogs name! How completely unoriginal... Parr is my last name! I think i'll sue disney.... Other than that, I like the premise and think it'll be a good movie....
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Nov 23, 2003 9:12:40 AM CST
I think the sequel should be called Double Incredible with Hulk
by chaffro
"I AM the Amazing Doubler Uppa Rubber Rubba, and you, Incrediboy...do you wanna play the rubba rubba game with me? Sshhh, it's our secret, brother."
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Nov 23, 2003 9:22:49 AM CST
SPOILER WARNING!!!!! POST A FREAKING SPOILER WARNING!!! JESUS!!!
by fish tank
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Plants don't give away the entire movie. They give a couple minor plot points, rave about the film, find a couple very minor problems, and call it a good time at the movies. This review lays out pretty much the entire plot. Not a plant.
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Nov 23, 2003 10:39:52 AM CST
Hey Chaffro, if you read posts after yours, tell me where I can
by fizzy cherry
Pixar don't generally put a foot wrong ever. A Bug's Life was porbably their weakest effort, but that was due to a young kids-aimed story. Can't knock the animation though, ever. Chaffro, shirt, details man!
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Long time no see Chaffro, that one almost had me pissing myself... shamone, Brother!
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Nov 23, 2003 10:53:51 AM CST
P.S. Fizzy Cherry, email me and I can tell you where to get one
by cas cornelius
Mine came this morning!
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Nov 23, 2003 11:17:10 AM CST
Suicide, lawsuits & adultery? Sounds like Pixar's aiming for an
by frankdrebin
As an aside, notice how all the CAT IN THE HAT promos feature the talking fish? Hmmm, I wonder if that could have anything to do with FINDING NEMO being the biggest movie of the year and a record-setting DVD? Just like the SHREK ads said "If you liked , you'll love SHREK!" (Fro-zone? Please tell me that Sam's character has a PULP FICTION 'fro!)
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and he ain't no plant.
Even with the rough storyboards, I laughed my ass off.
Favorite scenes:
1) The set piece with ElastiGirl and a series of Get Smart style doors.
2) The ROTJ pod race inspired chase between Dash and Incedriboy's minions.
3) Mr. Incredible trying to get a cat out of the tree and stopping a car chase at the same time.
Things I didn't like:
1) Every body got a super power show off scene except Violet (the invisible girl). Here's a suggestion: she's in school and she's trying to remain visible for a would be paramour and invisible for the principal at the same time by blinking on and off rapidly.
2) Some of the plot points seemed too convenient, like "Kronos" being etched into a wall.
3) Where'd the RV come from??? I actually spoke to a Pixar guy and he said there was a scene explaining it (it was where all the guards were hanging out), but the took it out for pacing reasons.
4) Waiting for an hour for the screening to start with no jacket on. OK, that one's my bad.
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Toy Story; Toy Story 2; Monster's Inc; Finding Nemo. These movies are going to have positive word of mouth just by the name Pixar. Why would they bother with a plant on AIC-fucking-N?
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Hey Todd, good to see you stil posting. You excited about the Cartoon Network Marathon? It looks as though BMG's going to be a cult classic after all... now for more moichendising. GOD I WANNA SEE MOVIE! grumble-grumble, san francisco... hoep-fully screenage will occur in the southland again too
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Cos I'm thinking it might be pretty good as a live action movie. Obviously without Craig T. Nelson. His 'Action Jackson' days are long past and it'd probably end up with George Clooney playing it. And come on people, catch up, I had a Chaffro tee weeks ago, brotha!
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Oh, please. "Post A Spolier Warning" ...
Hasn't mom brought your milk and cookies to your room for you?
Bless.
What, exactly, are you doing on this site if this kind of stuff upsets you? Please get a grip and enjoy the info.
Cough Cough.
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I totally forgot! Another favorite scene was a montage of cape related demises involving superheroes. Totally cool!
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In the commentary on Nemo, they tell a funny story about some of the feedback from test screening/focus groups about the Angler fish sequence. They have to do it early and rough.
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Ever since Finding Nemo. While I love Monsters, Inc., Toy Story, A Bugs Life and all of their film shorts, "Finding Nemo" just sealed my loyalty to them. Now? Pixar can do no wrong. IMO, Finding Nemo was their best and brightest work. You can be sure, I'll be in the theater when The Incredibles opens. Oh yes.
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This one sound like it needs plenty of rewrites and rethinking in general. Suicide attempts? Not funny. Kidnapping babies? Not funny. Suspected marital infidelity? What are they thinking? A montage of superhero cape deaths? Oh dear. I so far have placed a lot of trust in Pxar and have unquestioningly taken my little kids to opening day screenings. By the sound of this travesty in waiting, however, it looks like I'll have to pre-screen it and then decide if its suitable.
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SWEET
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That is all.
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It fucking sucked. They used that Blur song 'Song 2', known to the rest of the world as the 'Woo-hoo!' song. Oh well, it's miles better than that Drowning Pool shit.
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Nov 23, 2003 4:59:46 PM CST
If Newsweek has seen ROTK, why hasn't Harry? Where is the early
by fluffyunbound
Come on, Harry. You know you've seen it, time to type it up.
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Nov 23, 2003 7:53:47 PM CST
I love all these pixar films, but I really want to see another T
by theginger twit
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Likely, he hasn't seen it. Why hasn't he seen it if Newsweek has? Because, believe it or not, compared with Newsweek, this web site is very, very, very minor.
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Nov 23, 2003 9:42:20 PM CST
Maybe Harry is in trouble for leaking that whole "Voice of Sarum
by fluffyunbound
And so he isn't on the screener list any more. No "Kong" set visits for you, Knowles!
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Was there a review of the film somewhere else on the site? I only found a pretty detailed story about the release of ROTK. Reading it kind of got me wound up. I think that regardless of how you feel about the films, the ending of the whole LOTR's mania and the fact that the trilogy as a whole might actually end up being the most satisfying multi-part film experience of all time is pretty amazing, and it is actually addressed in the Newsweek article. It's a remarkable moment in the history of cinema and from what I've seen in the dvd's, it's been ten times as amazing for all the people who were involved. My hat goes off to Peter Jackson, Weta, the cast... everyone involved.
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Nov 24, 2003 1:33:45 AM CST
"It was very, very rough cut; well over 90% of it was storyboard
by digdig
reviewing a fucking animatic laden version of a movie is pathetic. And this geek obsession with Pixar movies is bordering on pedophile type wierdness.
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I know that music... used on the Incredibles trailer... but from what other movie? Something old... Check it out at pixar.com and tell me if you know it. Somethign going back to THE LONG SHIPS or something... or not. Familiar.
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That's the music they used in the test print, too.
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Nov 24, 2003 8:12:20 AM CST
Best Pixar films in order from best to worst (which is incidenta
by theaquabatman
These were hard decisions, what do you guys think? No 1. (Top ranking - hands down) Finding Nemo; 2. A bug's life; 3. Toy Story II; 4. Monsters inc. and toy Story come in at a tie (a cop out, I know). For originality and grounbreakingness -- Toy Story, but it has been improved on. Superheros gay? Nah, the tights make for good streamlining aerodynamic sense plus they need to be concealed under their alias's work clothes (damn clarke or Wayne must be smelly after wearing all those layers all day?). As for Supe's belt... hmmm, he's just got good fashion sense with primary colours. Underpants on the ouside - if it wasnt so the tights would just have that bagginess look about them. ok, i'm thinking about this way too much.
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Nov 24, 2003 8:14:20 AM CST
Geez, will people ever learn that there's a difference between w
by minderbinder
There are definitely movies that people want spoiled, but not the Pixar ones. I wouldn't be surprised if Pixar stops doing public screenings because of articles like this one.
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In the documentaries about the making of Pixar's other movies, it amazes me how much the movies change from start to finish. I still think Finding Nemo was an incredible movie considering how bad the buzz for it was and how lame the story and characters sounded. Yet in the end I think it was stronger emotionally than even Monster's Inc, and a lot of that came about from last minute decisions. (how awful it would have been to reveal the backstory slowly and not as a prologue?) Anyway, this sounds good, but with so much time left for production, I think Incredibles will change considerably before we see it. I don't know if you can even "spoil" it. I'm a wee bit sorry that the whole "daughter of the hero is dating the son of the villain" angle isn't apparently an element of the plot. I kinda liked that angle. I figured that was Jason Lee's character. It sounded more enjoyable than this Geek turned maniac thing, especially since there doesn't seem to be a real archnemesis super villain anymore. Dang. I guess even Emperor Zurg had to wait for Toy Story 2. The kids also sound like an afterthought/obligation in the plot right now, but like I said, this movie has got a year of growing ahead of it. Gads, a year. We've got a YEAR of waiting! Poop.
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Is that like, formal wear for super-nerds? Somehting about this strikes me as being terribly post-modern and ironic, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Oh well..... Do you take VISA?
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About a year and a half ago AICN posted the Nemo screening review and we were told it is good, but... Then Disney (everyone assumed) started all of those rumors that there were problems with the story and test scores were soft just as the Pixar/Disney negotiations started up. Then right before Nemo opened, Pixar had an on-line investors meeting where I listened to Steve Jobs tell us how great Nemo would be (no surprise there) but gave out conservative estimates about how much the film would open with. Then, of course the film came out and history was made, both in quality of film and ticket sales. My point is that if the Nemo test was "good" (and look what it ended up being) how fucking amazing is Incredibles going to be? So in one year I will be able to see a new Pixar film AND buy the R1 Iron Giant SE on DVD? Life is good...
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Crimeny, thats when you know the world has gone to hell. They could have at least quoted a famous cartoonist, and not some internet movie website jaw-jacker. Oh and this movie looks like a stinker personally... maybe Pixar's first? Nah...
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Nov 24, 2003 3:03:34 PM CST
AquaBatman- You really think A Bug's Life is the second best of
by big bad clone
It's still better than most movies both animated and live action. Though I really liked (and cried at) Finding Nemo, I think it has to be tied with Toy Story II at first with Monster's Inc. in second, then Toy Story and finally A Bug's Life. It's really had to compared them all and listing them in a best to worst list really does them an injustice. It's like having a mansion in Hawaii, Jamaica and the south of France. They are good but it comes down to personal taste on which one is barely better than the other. I respect your opinion and I just wanted to get my two cents in. Hey any movie that I can sit on the floor indian style (or crossed legged for the PC crowd) with my kids and enjoy it is as much or even more than them is simply a god send.
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My god, how did Iron Giant manage such a runaway DVD hit amongst all the kiddies, with such mature subplots as hunting, the cold war, and even... a squirrel in someone's crotch??
I think you oughta relax and recognize that neither WB nor Pixar have been in the animation business *strictly* for the kiddies. Disney, sure, but even they've been wising up lately. And maybe you wanna pick up a comic book or something about "superhero stories" just to bone up before The Incredibles; they have all this kinda stuff and far darker, these days. And guess what? Video games don't make kids go out and kill people! Whoa! How's that for presumption? -
and fer chrissakes, please make SENSE this time! All I'm sensing is over-righteous apathy, but the words are still kinda fuzzy.
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What's the exchange rate, brother?
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that aside, interesting article.
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Inspired, even. About time someone noticed his considerable voice talents.
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For some reason I keep waiting for the day that pixar will drop the ball and make a mediocre film. It seems inevitable, especially under the eyes of Disney. But, alas, they seem to have done it again. Another movie to add to the "opening weekend" list.
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Nov 25, 2003 8:14:01 AM CST
Actually Nemo comes first... the rest come a straight tie... i j
by theaquabatman
and as a teacher i am always teaching bugs and bloody insects to my classes... the film comes in handy. Bug's had a lot of quality laughs and great characters but then didn't they all? There were no blooper clips at end of Nemo hey - they've, and we've, grown past this joke it seems. I am dissapointed at the prospect that Pixar could involve marital infidelity in a storyline. These movies are immortal classics, each one viewed countless times by our kids. I hope this doesnt eventuate. New top ten list!!! (this time all CG films - no hybrids). Where would shrek come in... or Ice age... Ants or Barbie(lol)? can we compare, should we compare, do i compare, who gives a care?
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Nov 25, 2003 8:45:26 AM CST
CGI movie list: One could argue that all the Pixars would be tie
by big bad clone
Actually, I'd watch Veggie Tales before watching Jimmy Nuetron. It does have some cute stuff but it just has this attitude that rubs me the wrong way. That and Dexter's Labrotory has the same basic premise but far better execution with simplier animation
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Didn't he do the voice over work for the stop-motion monster scene in FLESH GORDON? Saying really naughty things as he slowly strips the clothes off of Dale Ardor... nice to know he's going back to his roots.
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You want incredible? You got it! I was eating out harry's ass last night with honey, and i noticed something poking out. It was a fucking gold club! He had a whole putter jammed up his ass! I know I didn't put it there, so how did it get there? My theory: This "movie" that harry is working on isn't a movie at all, but his long lost "project of passion" that he has always told his closest friends he wants to make. He has wanted to film himself jamming every conceivable onject up his ass and then playing to a sold out Mann's Chinese Theater. Look for it kids, Harry's #1 Ass-Tacular coming 2004!
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Jeepers, sounds expensive.
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Nov 26, 2003 7:50:04 AM CST
Yeah clone, I'll go with that, 'cept Shek beats Southpark in my
by theaquabatman
Has anyone seen the Veggietales 'Jonah', In Australia it can only be bought not rented. Can someone talk me out of spending $40 bucks on this dvd? or is this mustsee dvd?
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