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The Hard Truths of Editing RETURN OF THE KING info from Peter Jackson Himself!!!
Hey folks, Harry here... Sometimes working on an epic ain't easy. Specially when you have so much passion involved, not only by the filmmakers, but the fans themselves. About two weeks ago I heard that the Saruman/Grima work had been edited out of RETURN OF THE KING. My immediate reaction was... "OUCH!" I mean, Christopher Lee has owned in each of the 2 Lord of the Rings movies we've seen thus far, but also... His presence has been iconic and classy in a way that defies description. I figured that this news would best be left to Peter to address in interviews once the film began screening, as I was sure it was a decision he did not relish making.
Then, this week... the story began to leak further. No longer just to me, but Moriarty caught wind of it, and as Moriarty often does... He became profoundly upset. Afterall... Moriarty is EVIL - his favorite characters are EVIL. He decided to continue poking around and he found a very direct source that told him that the cut was made due to pressures from New Line & that Peter was extremely upset about this and was fighting New Line left and right.
Apparently this was what Moriarty was talking about in chat recently and at 2am in the morning two days ago, I got a call from Quint going, "What are going to do about Goddamn NEW LINE and this FUCKING debacle?" I was like... "What debacle?" Then Quint filled me in on what Moriarty had learned.
My reaction was... BULLSHIT. For the last 3 weeks, Peter Jackson and I have been trading emails regarding some collectibles that pretty much rule the world. I can't buy them, because I know he exists, and so all I can do is watch as he buys them and wish to god I had more money than Peter Jackson. (A primary reason for me becoming a Producer - there's Geek shit I need to be able to outbid Pete on!) Through these conversations, Peter has let slip how things are going, steps he's made through the process, and how at long last it is coming to an end and he's been delighted with the final film.
In addition to Pete, I've been in AOL IM's, e-mail exchanges, AOL Voice IM's and even those groovy camera thingees with folks in New Zealand that have seen ROTK and talk about being in tears for an hour of the film and how everyone feels it's the very best of the series by a very large factor.
HOWEVER, I was concerned with Moriarty in Open-Chats... and the mere charge of New Line issues upon RETURN OF THE KING to write Peter and directly ask about all of this, and Peter... knowing very well that this was volatile news... Not in any other sense than there will be a certain level of fan disappointment at the loss of Christopher Lee's scenes in RETURN OF THE KING, but he didn't want to see the record wrong on how all of this came to be. Here's what Peter wrote me....
Saruman thing you describe is a muddle of half-truths.
We have decided to save the Saruman sequence for the DVD. It's a great
little scene. 7 mins long. Chris is wonderful, as usual. Brad is in
about
6
shots. It was a film maker decision - nothing to do with the studio.
The problem is that the sequence was originally shot for The Two
Towers,
as
it is in the book. Since The Two Towers couldn't sustain a 7 min
"wrap" after Helm's Deep, we thought it would be a good idea to save
it for the beginning of the Return of the King. The trouble is, when
we viewed
various
ROTK cuts over the last few weeks, it feels like the first scenes are
wrapping last year's movie, instead of starting the new one. We felt
it
got
ROTK off to an uncertain beginning, since Saruman plays no role in the
events
of ROTK (we don't have the Scouring later, as the book does), yet we
dwell in Isengard for quite a long time before our new story kicks
off.
We reluctantly made the decision to save this sequence for the DVD.
The choice was made on the basis that most people will assume that
Saruman was vanquished by the Helm's Deep events, and Ent attack. We
can now crack straight into setting up the narrative tension of ROTK,
which features Sauron as the villian.
It was a very similar situation to last year when we decided to take a
nice
Boromir/Denethor flashback out of The Two Towers, and put it in the
DVD.
It
was causing us pacing problems in the theatrical version, but with the
Extended Cut just coming out now, fans can see this great little
scene. Thank God for DVD, since it does mean that a version of the
movie, which has different pacing requirements, can be released later. The
Saruman sequence will definately be a highlight of the Extended ROTK
DVD.
We have a lot of great DVD material this time around. As we crafted
the movie, we reduced it from an over 4 hour running time, down to
3.12
(without
credits - about 8 mins long). This was done by us. There were no
studio cutting notes. We now have a movie with a pace that fells ok
for it's theatrical release. One more week to go. We are nearly there.
Will we
still
be standing? It's going to be a close run thing.
Cheers,
Peter J
A week to go? The news about New Line making the cuts themselves had instantly struck me wrong, because I knew that New Line wasn't supposed to take possession of the film till November 1st. However, I had found out that 11 days before that time, Peter had added, I believe it was 12 visual effects shots for the Minas Tirith battles, and I had heard it was going to put them past their deadline a bit... Well, now it'll be 2 weeks past that date, which means that Next Friday... New Line will finally take over possession of the print, then about a 2 months of work will be squeezed into a month - as prints are created for world consumption. Wonder how wet these things will be by the time they hit theaters?
Anyway, that's the truth about Saruman and his scenes in RETURN OF THE KING, straight from Derek's mouth! A hard decision, one of many in the making of an epic.
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Reader Talkback
Damn it, I really wanted to
see Saruman get his by Terry_1978 | Nov 7th, 2003 03:37:31 PM | Lee should gnaw Jackson's legs
off at the knees after Douriff
pu by Fred | Nov 7th, 2003 03:37:54 PM | does this mean no palantir? by noteboom | Nov 7th, 2003 03:41:20 PM | Saruman's Demise by BigBadBalls | Nov 7th, 2003 03:42:09 PM | TOBY SKLUTE IS FIRST ALWAYS by turbonerd | Nov 7th, 2003 03:42:24 PM | First, bitches! P.S. PJ you
rule! by JohnnyBlueJeans | Nov 7th, 2003 03:43:12 PM | Third by DietCodeRed | Nov 7th, 2003 03:43:55 PM | the scouring by Wheel99 | Nov 7th, 2003 03:45:25 PM | Scouring should be gone by Laimbrane | Nov 7th, 2003 03:48:08 PM | No scouring of the Shire? by eternal76 | Nov 7th, 2003 03:48:19 PM | The Saruman story has to be
resolved somehow (SPOILERS) by Nordling | Nov 7th, 2003 03:49:20 PM | MPAA by sano orbis | Nov 7th, 2003 03:50:31 PM | Can't wait by BrianBoru | Nov 7th, 2003 03:54:48 PM | Can't wait by BrianBoru | Nov 7th, 2003 03:55:51 PM | It's cool and it sucks...like
life! by 33.3rpm | Nov 7th, 2003 03:58:41 PM | Christopher Lee is Gunno be
mighty pissed for sure - He
was on t by darth_billy | Nov 7th, 2003 04:08:35 PM | Book vs. movie... by Dru | Nov 7th, 2003 04:55:50 PM | I'm pissed & relieved at the
same time. by Nice Marmot | Nov 7th, 2003 04:58:05 PM | Thats utterly bullshit by Thumper2k1 | Nov 7th, 2003 05:34:38 PM | Actually... by snorfle | Nov 7th, 2003 05:38:09 PM | Best Director, my ass by MiserableRainGod | Nov 7th, 2003 05:52:05 PM | This is fucking disasterous... by Skyway Moaters | Nov 7th, 2003 06:06:50 PM | by red_xavier | Nov 7th, 2003 06:12:38 PM | We're saving it for the DVD.
Ugh, As much as I love the
extended by xavier masterson | Nov 7th, 2003 06:12:57 PM | PETER JACKSON RAPED MY
CHILDHOOD@! by Chet Hudson | Nov 7th, 2003 06:15:11 PM | Editing by SpikedBuffy | Nov 7th, 2003 06:15:51 PM | The more I hear of RoTK, the
more I think its going to
suck. Her by Effigy2002 | Nov 7th, 2003 06:16:24 PM | This is BAD, really really
bad. by naughtius | Nov 7th, 2003 06:17:24 PM | Oh boy. (SPOILERS for those
who haven't read the book) by Ye-Baar | Nov 7th, 2003 06:21:00 PM | Just another plot hole...no
big deal by Rupee88 | Nov 7th, 2003 06:22:45 PM | chill out by Gorf | Nov 7th, 2003 06:24:39 PM | Man, I love these movies so
much more than The Matrix
movies... by HardcoreRocker | Nov 7th, 2003 06:29:36 PM | Basically what Jackson is
saying is that he screwed up. by xavier masterson | Nov 7th, 2003 06:29:39 PM | See, Pete, That's Where You
Make the Mistake... by hipcheck13 | Nov 7th, 2003 06:30:10 PM | You people worry about the
stupidest things... by LukeShelton | Nov 7th, 2003 06:34:50 PM | I trust Peter enough to
reserve judgement until after
i've seen by 007-11 | Nov 7th, 2003 06:37:20 PM | At the end of TTT Saruman's
backyard is flooded and he's
freakin by JAGUART | Nov 7th, 2003 06:38:02 PM | What cracks me up... by Effigy2002 | Nov 7th, 2003 06:40:58 PM | JackMercy says... by Be like water | Nov 7th, 2003 06:45:37 PM | Cut PJ some slack and have a
little faith! He's poured his
heart by Niphredil bloom | Nov 7th, 2003 06:48:24 PM | Palantir scene cut too ehh? by TS Thomas | Nov 7th, 2003 06:50:42 PM | Explain this decision to me,
Peter Jackson by Brody Armstrong | Nov 7th, 2003 06:52:47 PM | PJ raped Saruman's childhood! by devil0509 | Nov 7th, 2003 06:54:20 PM | Palantir scene cut too ehh?
Part 2 by TS Thomas | Nov 7th, 2003 06:55:16 PM | Woah people... by Kraken | Nov 7th, 2003 06:56:48 PM | I agree that the Scouring is
the whole point of the book. by DufusyteII | Nov 7th, 2003 06:57:15 PM | Hey Harry drop a few more
names.... by Sketchy | Nov 7th, 2003 06:59:05 PM | So I guess he just flees on
his Speeder Bike? by JAGUART | Nov 7th, 2003 07:04:49 PM | I can't believe that Peter
Jackson spelled it
"definately" by Han Ol' Buddy | Nov 7th, 2003 07:05:04 PM | It reminds me of the
transition from Aliens to
Alien 3 by juscan | Nov 7th, 2003 07:05:09 PM | I think PJ makes some good
points there, actually.... and
I agre by Talimon | Nov 7th, 2003 07:06:32 PM | This is totally Warner's doing by Geek, Esq. | Nov 7th, 2003 07:07:23 PM | Well.. by Enigma7 | Nov 7th, 2003 07:08:14 PM | Her'es what peter Jackson MUST
do! by Effigy2002 | Nov 7th, 2003 07:15:13 PM | Just one more example of how
Jackson is ill equiped to take
on s by son of stik | Nov 7th, 2003 07:17:17 PM | Get over it by Kungfumanchu | Nov 7th, 2003 07:21:56 PM | PJ is brilliant. Just fucking
brilliant. by tribe2003 | Nov 7th, 2003 07:26:59 PM | Dear Peter J, please put back
in the deleted Tom Bombadil
scene! by JAGUART | Nov 7th, 2003 07:27:57 PM | There are endings, and there
are ENDINGS!!!!!!!!! by Miami Mofo | Nov 7th, 2003 07:32:42 PM | Spikey Wheel is out?! by greenleaf | Nov 7th, 2003 07:39:57 PM | RotK Cuts by Mr. Wulf | Nov 7th, 2003 07:43:24 PM | One movie, one book. NOT
THREE. by MiserableRainGod | Nov 7th, 2003 07:45:15 PM | ROTK by Playhouse | Nov 7th, 2003 07:46:33 PM | It's not just that it's a bad
adaptation.... by son of stik | Nov 7th, 2003 07:50:43 PM | "The main point is that Frodo
loses everything to destroy
the ri by MiserableRainGod | Nov 7th, 2003 07:50:47 PM | A shame by b-rock | Nov 7th, 2003 07:54:59 PM | johnny blue jeans by neckbone | Nov 7th, 2003 07:58:09 PM | told you so by Ryalto 3.0 | Nov 7th, 2003 08:02:29 PM | tribe2003, you are a freak by devil0509 | Nov 7th, 2003 08:19:37 PM | tribe2003, by raw_bean | Nov 7th, 2003 08:22:33 PM | Thanks, sniff, sniff, anyway,
Harry. And to Dov: The
Scouring wa by elanor | Nov 7th, 2003 08:23:46 PM | You apologists make me sick. by Effigy2002 | Nov 7th, 2003 08:24:48 PM | I still look forward to the
movie by dan_ca2003 | Nov 7th, 2003 08:24:57 PM | MiserableRainGod, good point
BUT... by raw_bean | Nov 7th, 2003 08:28:53 PM | this is a problem... by Dragonfire | Nov 7th, 2003 08:29:55 PM | Man, fuck Peter Jackson. by Mr. High | Nov 7th, 2003 08:31:48 PM | Man, fuck Peter Jackson part
2. by Mr. High | Nov 7th, 2003 08:34:10 PM | b-rock, I realise its sad to
see the Scouring of the Shire
go, by raw_bean | Nov 7th, 2003 08:34:25 PM | Man, fuck Peter Jackson part
3. by Mr. High | Nov 7th, 2003 08:38:21 PM | Well, thank you elanor! by raw_bean | Nov 7th, 2003 08:45:39 PM | good god by Thumper2k1 | Nov 7th, 2003 08:47:29 PM | lotr licks balls by thedude4life360 | Nov 7th, 2003 08:49:55 PM | by thedude4life360 | Nov 7th, 2003 08:50:57 PM | If Saruman hadn't kicked
Gandalf's booty all over FOTR
it wouldn by Terry_1978 | Nov 7th, 2003 08:52:15 PM | Anyway, by raw_bean | Nov 7th, 2003 08:52:18 PM | Not a choice I'd make,
but...we all need to chill by Davdaman | Nov 7th, 2003 09:00:55 PM | So let me get this straight,
PJ thought it would be better
to cu by TheGinger Twit | Nov 7th, 2003 09:01:09 PM | Saurman by TS Thomas | Nov 7th, 2003 09:03:54 PM | I just don't get it, PJ will
release (of each film) a 3+
hour ci by TheGinger Twit | Nov 7th, 2003 09:27:33 PM | Going backwards by Dave Bowman | Nov 7th, 2003 09:35:27 PM | Oh, please... by Kanyn22 | Nov 7th, 2003 09:56:07 PM | getting right down to brass
tacks man... by acidhorse | Nov 7th, 2003 10:04:46 PM | The Council...who will take
the ring? by BDT | Nov 7th, 2003 10:08:42 PM | Pete's playing a trick by Moxy | Nov 7th, 2003 10:11:14 PM | nobody is going to understand
it!!!! by catwise | Nov 7th, 2003 10:11:56 PM | You'll still see it. by GrammarPolice | Nov 7th, 2003 10:20:07 PM | is not about the Scouring by catwise | Nov 7th, 2003 10:22:45 PM | You whining purists are the
biggest fucking babies on
planet ear by King_Midas | Nov 7th, 2003 10:28:44 PM | Hipocrite Fanboys! by Lavaman | Nov 7th, 2003 10:44:14 PM | To devil0509 and raw_bean by tribe2003 | Nov 7th, 2003 10:55:11 PM | you know... by PolyesterRage | Nov 7th, 2003 10:58:44 PM | Saruman is out, but Gimli's
de-pantsing is still in by GypsyTRobot | Nov 7th, 2003 10:58:49 PM | Ugh. PJ, don't do this... by Caerdwyn | Nov 7th, 2003 11:10:06 PM | Saruman/Grima by PEPELOCON | Nov 7th, 2003 11:13:20 PM | And one more thing . . . by GypsyTRobot | Nov 7th, 2003 11:20:50 PM | tribe2003...on a less caustic
note by devil0509 | Nov 7th, 2003 11:24:29 PM | Oh.. by Caerdwyn | Nov 7th, 2003 11:30:37 PM | Geez, guys. Relax. by tbrosz | Nov 7th, 2003 11:30:38 PM | devil0509, right back at ya :) by tribe2003 | Nov 7th, 2003 11:38:08 PM | Tribe2003...how did I end up
arguing with a lawyer?! by devil0509 | Nov 7th, 2003 11:48:53 PM | LOL by tribe2003 | Nov 7th, 2003 11:53:49 PM | Re: As someone from another
movie once said. "I've got a
bad fee by Indiana Clones | Nov 8th, 2003 12:17:57 AM | See... by DarthCorleone | Nov 8th, 2003 12:39:52 AM | Makes Sense by Ribbons | Nov 8th, 2003 12:40:48 AM | You people read things that
were not written. by Malan | Nov 8th, 2003 12:42:04 AM | Bring On EPIII by AlwaysThere | Nov 8th, 2003 01:08:29 AM | BAD BAD IDEA by D.Vader | Nov 8th, 2003 01:18:50 AM | And also, the Scouring NEEDS
to be CUT by D.Vader | Nov 8th, 2003 01:24:05 AM | Just a couple of days ago, I
said that everything, by Conan_the_Humble | Nov 8th, 2003 01:43:18 AM | The time to get it right is
NOW, PJ!!! by Phildogger | Nov 8th, 2003 02:12:24 AM | Grrr! by cheeselouise | Nov 8th, 2003 02:19:00 AM | I better not have to wait by Captain Comet | Nov 8th, 2003 02:35:58 AM | The screenplays have been the
"DOWNFALL" of the first two
films. by MattO | Nov 8th, 2003 02:39:02 AM | Who is this "Barry Meyer"
dude!?! by MattO | Nov 8th, 2003 02:47:53 AM | We want Saruman back, Barry!!! by MattO | Nov 8th, 2003 02:50:52 AM | Ouch and ouch!!! by the swede | Nov 8th, 2003 02:58:00 AM | Please let Saruman's death in
the theatrical by Jon E Cin | Nov 8th, 2003 03:14:55 AM | fanfuckingtabulous by acidhorse | Nov 8th, 2003 03:27:59 AM | Listen you fanboy biatches,
this is CHRISTOPHER LEE here!
Why is by Spacesheik | Nov 8th, 2003 03:32:02 AM | jesus christ, give me PJ's
email! by bryanharley | Nov 8th, 2003 03:33:17 AM | sorry by acidhorse | Nov 8th, 2003 03:38:37 AM | Geeze talk about thowing the
AICN Trolls and Haters red
meat! by TallScott | Nov 8th, 2003 03:47:35 AM | D.VADER you are SPOT ON mate! by Spacesheik | Nov 8th, 2003 04:02:30 AM | Moot MY AZZZZZZZZZZZZZ by the lasadorian | Nov 8th, 2003 04:22:05 AM | devil0509, you are right
(IMHO) by Mr. Wulf | Nov 8th, 2003 04:47:30 AM | Some thoughts on Saruman and
TTT by Spacesheik | Nov 8th, 2003 04:52:15 AM | Pacing, my arse. We need a
petition!!!! by Dioraeg | Nov 8th, 2003 04:56:04 AM | this may b a moot point... by Acne Scarface | Nov 8th, 2003 05:15:29 AM | know wot d b good by jimdin2001 | Nov 8th, 2003 05:26:20 AM | !~Need 4 Blind Trust in
Jackson~! by palebluedot7 | Nov 8th, 2003 05:28:09 AM | not trying to draw any
comparisons here but by jimdin2001 | Nov 8th, 2003 05:28:46 AM | for those who dont want to go
to link its STARWARS DVD
SEPTEMBER by jimdin2001 | Nov 8th, 2003 05:30:08 AM | Don't do it! by lochieg | Nov 8th, 2003 05:49:52 AM | MIERDA by CuervoJones | Nov 8th, 2003 05:58:14 AM | Cut and out by fatarsezombie | Nov 8th, 2003 06:28:48 AM | BY THIS LOGIC, PJ WOULD CUT
THE OPENING OF TTT BECAUSE IT
HAS A by TheGinger Twit | Nov 8th, 2003 06:31:32 AM | Looking for eggs by Nr 1 | Nov 8th, 2003 06:51:16 AM | nobody will assume that
Saruman was vanquished by catwise | Nov 8th, 2003 06:56:23 AM | Damn!!!!!!! by shonin | Nov 8th, 2003 07:55:55 AM | Jason Korn.... by shonin | Nov 8th, 2003 07:58:47 AM | Disgusted by DocPazuzu | Nov 8th, 2003 08:16:23 AM | ebonic, I think you meant
Paraguay; also Marilyn
MonRohan, Moxy, by Miami Mofo | Nov 8th, 2003 08:26:47 AM | Who cares? LOTR is overrated
crap anyway by hiperaktiv | Nov 8th, 2003 08:42:23 AM | One last thing about Marilyn
MonRohan by Miami Mofo | Nov 8th, 2003 09:20:46 AM | Found an egg by Nr 1 | Nov 8th, 2003 09:28:19 AM | Yeah, "speech" I know by Nr 1 | Nov 8th, 2003 09:30:20 AM | DocPazazu or whatever your
fucking name is by Thumper2k1 | Nov 8th, 2003 09:48:04 AM | Thumper by DocPazuzu | Nov 8th, 2003 09:53:15 AM | Wait Wait, the conversation
with GRIMA is out by CatoTheCensor | Nov 8th, 2003 09:57:42 AM | To Mr. Wolf :) by tribe2003 | Nov 8th, 2003 10:10:30 AM | ROTK will rock your world,
geek losers! by The Flashlight | Nov 8th, 2003 10:13:18 AM | I'm going to have to agree
against not including Saruman. by riskebiz | Nov 8th, 2003 10:22:22 AM | DON'T BE AFRAID... PETER WILL
GIVE YOU THE RIDE OF A
LIFETIME. by workshed | Nov 8th, 2003 10:30:19 AM | Doc, by Thumper2k1 | Nov 8th, 2003 10:37:28 AM | Ships up the Anduin by Mastour Org | Nov 8th, 2003 10:49:14 AM | Thumper by DocPazuzu | Nov 8th, 2003 10:52:09 AM | LOL@Darth Corleone by devil0509 | Nov 8th, 2003 11:15:30 AM | Oh Shut Up and Tell it to
Someone Who Cares you Pathetic
Geeks by FYI-2003 | Nov 8th, 2003 11:27:12 AM | Not to sound redundant here,
but... by Devil'sOwn | Nov 8th, 2003 11:31:54 AM | Gaffer kicks tater cart by morGoth | Nov 8th, 2003 11:47:35 AM | Lawks! I meant... by morGoth | Nov 8th, 2003 11:50:31 AM | IT'S SO SAD,PETER:THAT'S A
TREASON!!! by famagunda | Nov 8th, 2003 11:56:21 AM | The worst thing about LotR
(the movies) by PhilConnors | Nov 8th, 2003 11:57:06 AM | This makes me sick and is a
perversion of Tolkien's work by skywaymoaters | Nov 8th, 2003 12:09:40 PM | Sad news for Dracula by Bob X | Nov 8th, 2003 12:45:46 PM | oldtimers by Dan42 | Nov 8th, 2003 01:00:46 PM | What?! by Shaner Jedi | Nov 8th, 2003 01:06:51 PM | Holy Vala spit! What a TB! by morGoth | Nov 8th, 2003 01:14:54 PM | LAY OFF PJ!!!!! by delflord | Nov 8th, 2003 01:18:19 PM | By Durin's Beard! Is that
Dan42! Hola mellon! by morGoth | Nov 8th, 2003 01:20:17 PM | Hey Johnny Suede by morGoth | Nov 8th, 2003 01:25:33 PM | SKYWAY MOATERS, YOU ARE THE
PERVERT by Mr. Ranger | Nov 8th, 2003 01:35:07 PM | Mr. Ranger, that is NOT Skyway
Moaters. by morGoth | Nov 8th, 2003 01:43:43 PM | Ebonic_plague by morGoth | Nov 8th, 2003 01:44:42 PM | Saruman petition online by Dioraeg | Nov 8th, 2003 02:14:19 PM | Suddenly, RotK doesn't hold
any appeal to me. by franksirmarco | Nov 8th, 2003 02:17:22 PM | DOC PAZUZU thinks we're all
whining biatches cause we
wanna see by Spacesheik | Nov 8th, 2003 02:20:39 PM | All of this madness....and a
response to Mr. Bjiarki by spideyman1218 | Nov 8th, 2003 02:20:40 PM | Sign the petition by Spacesheik | Nov 8th, 2003 02:28:46 PM | i gotta know by acidhorse | Nov 8th, 2003 02:39:13 PM | Sign a Petition? by Ribbons | Nov 8th, 2003 02:40:40 PM | petition info by Spacesheik | Nov 8th, 2003 02:51:51 PM | Petition? by Dr. Death | Nov 8th, 2003 02:53:14 PM | In other news PETER JACKSON's
film credit is changed to BIG
FAT by Tall_Boy | Nov 8th, 2003 02:59:35 PM | Come now by spideyman1218 | Nov 8th, 2003 03:00:55 PM | I nothing to say on this at
the mo, brains too tired. by raw_bean | Nov 8th, 2003 03:57:01 PM | Late post on pacing and
editing by BIGPOTATOGIRL | Nov 8th, 2003 03:59:06 PM | Having edited before... by SK909 | Nov 8th, 2003 04:16:17 PM | A few of you seem to be
forgetting something by elanor | Nov 8th, 2003 04:19:18 PM | Well put, Lady Elanor.... by spideyman1218 | Nov 8th, 2003 04:24:21 PM | What's up with the AICN
servers? by PhilConnors | Nov 8th, 2003 04:24:22 PM | What a bunch of whiny bitches by Vroomfundle | Nov 8th, 2003 04:25:00 PM | Let down, But hopeful... by Smaugsfire | Nov 8th, 2003 04:28:47 PM | sauroman? grimer? by spideyman1218 | Nov 8th, 2003 04:34:30 PM | test by Where's Saruman? | Nov 8th, 2003 04:38:14 PM | One other thing... Warner
needs to get AOL off of it's
ass... by SK909 | Nov 8th, 2003 04:40:10 PM | ok by Where's Saruman? | Nov 8th, 2003 04:42:05 PM | This is bullshit by Up yours | Nov 8th, 2003 04:46:54 PM | Lunch is served, Johnny Suede by Miami Mofo | Nov 8th, 2003 05:04:40 PM | The movie is still going to be
excellent by MemBirdman | Nov 8th, 2003 05:06:57 PM | How is this different from the
whole "Lucas raped my
childhood" by Ribbons | Nov 8th, 2003 05:12:31 PM | can't believe people are still
pissed off about Tom Bombadil
and by Dragonfire | Nov 8th, 2003 05:18:05 PM | Hi, Bjarki! by daughter of time | Nov 8th, 2003 05:35:43 PM | difference from lucas raped... by Where's Saruman? | Nov 8th, 2003 05:36:01 PM | In other other news BIG FAT
WANKER IDIOT takes prints of
LOTR an by Tall_Boy | Nov 8th, 2003 05:44:22 PM | Ouch by djinnj | Nov 8th, 2003 05:52:52 PM | Christopher Lee by Dreamhandler | Nov 8th, 2003 06:35:37 PM | This stinks! by jeffallee | Nov 8th, 2003 06:46:02 PM | Umm... Hmmm.... by Ribbons | Nov 8th, 2003 06:46:09 PM | Oh, and by Ribbons | Nov 8th, 2003 06:48:45 PM | ONLINE PETITION by Mr Ted | Nov 8th, 2003 06:50:25 PM | MHO with *SPOILERS* by BDT | Nov 8th, 2003 07:02:39 PM | Mr. Ted by Dr. Death | Nov 8th, 2003 07:22:25 PM | Grey Havens by Dr. Death | Nov 8th, 2003 07:25:11 PM | Here;s the reason we're mad
about Scouring, crystal clear by MiserableRainGod | Nov 8th, 2003 07:32:51 PM | Spacesheik by DocPazuzu | Nov 8th, 2003 07:46:40 PM | That would be fine Elanor and
would please this purist no
end. by Conan_the_Humble | Nov 8th, 2003 08:34:53 PM | Somehow I don't care tonight by mayaV | Nov 8th, 2003 08:45:01 PM | I've never read these books.. by ScienceMan | Nov 8th, 2003 09:03:12 PM | It's true, I'm not a reader of
the books, and I had been
expecti by TheGinger Twit | Nov 8th, 2003 09:30:33 PM | Remember Lurtz? by Deagle2 | Nov 8th, 2003 09:34:11 PM | Oh and... by Deagle2 | Nov 8th, 2003 09:42:36 PM | MemBirdman by raw_bean | Nov 8th, 2003 09:43:36 PM | MiserableRainGod, by raw_bean | Nov 8th, 2003 09:49:18 PM | Lesser of two Evils by Odorf | Nov 8th, 2003 10:13:26 PM | It should have been at the end
of TTT!!! by BigBadBalls | Nov 8th, 2003 10:18:30 PM | And one more thing.... by Odorf | Nov 8th, 2003 10:29:34 PM | What?!?!?! by Liss | Nov 8th, 2003 10:41:35 PM | by FYI-2003 | Nov 8th, 2003 11:51:29 PM | Wow! Am I really saying this?
Pud! Is right! by morGoth | Nov 8th, 2003 11:56:09 PM | Further defense of my useless
petition by dupmaster | Nov 9th, 2003 02:20:06 AM | Where are the comments from
Peter Jacksson and New Line to
this by the swede | Nov 9th, 2003 05:29:59 AM | DOC PAZUZU by Spacesheik | Nov 9th, 2003 06:10:41 AM | My two cents... by film101 | Nov 9th, 2003 06:11:29 AM | I've no problem with the
change by RowanM | Nov 9th, 2003 06:30:04 AM | We're gonna need a bigger room by Miami Mofo | Nov 9th, 2003 07:36:17 AM | "Purely for bragging purposes
only, I'm in Thailand, my TTT
dvd by Spacesheik | Nov 9th, 2003 09:55:31 AM | Skyway Moaters: "affection
between a man and a young boy" by Mr. Ranger | Nov 9th, 2003 10:32:58 AM | Peter Jackson is MY HERO by Hate_Speech | Nov 9th, 2003 10:43:01 AM | You people make me sick. by Piddle | Nov 9th, 2003 11:37:48 AM | Anyone who still thinks PJ is
a genius after this debacle is
not by Atticus Finch | Nov 9th, 2003 12:42:14 PM | Mr. Ranger, get thee back to
the fucking Bible Belt by skywaymoaters | Nov 9th, 2003 01:02:24 PM | OK Mr. Ranger...I'm calling
bullshit on you. by morGoth | Nov 9th, 2003 02:36:55 PM | I agree with Piddle by morGoth | Nov 9th, 2003 02:54:45 PM | Mind this by Malan | Nov 9th, 2003 03:43:14 PM | yes but.... by agadoin | Nov 9th, 2003 04:10:02 PM | 4hrs by Blowfish | Nov 9th, 2003 04:11:48 PM | by Devil'sOwn | Nov 9th, 2003 04:21:09 PM | DVD by agadoin | Nov 9th, 2003 04:22:26 PM | Halls of Mandos should be
closed forever to spirit of
Mr. Jacks by Snaga-ape | Nov 9th, 2003 04:52:46 PM | I'm back! nananananana by Devil'sOwn | Nov 9th, 2003 05:03:11 PM | Not worth the effort by LukeShelton | Nov 9th, 2003 05:23:45 PM | Poll - how hypocritical are we
purists? by tribe2003 | Nov 9th, 2003 05:51:50 PM | My favorite moment in the
books... by Dare Devil Dog | Nov 9th, 2003 06:05:33 PM | The Voice of Saruman chapter
is where Gandalf emerges as
the mor by Ralph Cifaretto | Nov 9th, 2003 06:46:14 PM | tribe2003 by morGoth | Nov 9th, 2003 08:29:58 PM | This is a load of crap! by LordZanthos | Nov 9th, 2003 08:35:14 PM | by Caerdwyn | Nov 10th, 2003 02:57:20 AM | The word on the street is that
the world needs to blace the
blam by darksydeavenger | Nov 10th, 2003 03:19:21 AM | by Jam Banjo | Nov 10th, 2003 04:57:42 AM | All they need to do is... by Jam Banjo | Nov 10th, 2003 05:06:17 AM | Lee got bumped so the girls
could have more Legolas action by rizla | Nov 10th, 2003 06:16:13 AM | Darksy, by Conan_the_Humble | Nov 10th, 2003 07:51:58 AM | By the end of ROTK by CellarDoor | Nov 10th, 2003 08:09:25 AM | Why, o'why, o'why by Ulric | Nov 10th, 2003 08:34:29 AM | Saruman or OSCAR by jadekyle | Nov 10th, 2003 09:15:13 AM | Will the real Moaters please
stand up? by Skyway Moaters | Nov 10th, 2003 09:34:17 AM | This can work. by Filibuster | Nov 10th, 2003 09:44:11 AM | looking forward to the DVD by purplemonkeydw | Nov 10th, 2003 09:45:50 AM | all you people do is complain!
complain! complain! by amaria | Nov 10th, 2003 10:01:56 AM | Fuck You Peter by Cory849 | Nov 10th, 2003 11:05:41 AM | Palantir by EvilTwinSkippy | Nov 10th, 2003 11:27:59 AM | Jesus Christ People... by Damitol | Nov 10th, 2003 11:33:52 AM | Didn't you people just read
"his" words... by Strider69 | Nov 10th, 2003 11:43:46 AM | Good god by Longfellow | Nov 10th, 2003 12:13:35 PM | RE: EvilTwinSkippy by morGoth | Nov 10th, 2003 12:47:29 PM | Return of the King by Palhaco | Nov 10th, 2003 12:53:53 PM | Why we care about major
changes by daughter of time | Nov 10th, 2003 01:25:54 PM | Summary of this update for
those who can't bear the whole
thing by Arcadian Del Sol | Nov 10th, 2003 01:28:10 PM | Disappointing by cabsau | Nov 10th, 2003 01:42:35 PM | Well that's something to
ponder, and no mistake... by Skyway Moaters | Nov 10th, 2003 01:47:11 PM | What about the whole spiked
wizard issue? by cabsau | Nov 10th, 2003 01:54:51 PM | If anyone's still reading
this... by Dragonfire | Nov 10th, 2003 02:40:35 PM | Reposted from Christopher
Lee's site: I THINK HE'S IN ON
... by Skyway Moaters | Nov 10th, 2003 02:51:50 PM | Here, here, Daughter of Time by MiserableRainGod | Nov 10th, 2003 02:52:33 PM | I knowit you was a clevver
bloak Conan... by Pontsing Barset | Nov 10th, 2003 03:13:25 PM | ambiguity... by juanrico | Nov 10th, 2003 03:15:09 PM | The footage isn't gone for
good by Shawn F. | Nov 10th, 2003 03:38:56 PM | How can PJ pull it off? by Pinksquad | Nov 10th, 2003 04:02:58 PM | single scene by agadoin | Nov 10th, 2003 05:15:19 PM | When do we get the Official
LOTR Fanboy Crying Towel? by SykkBoy | Nov 10th, 2003 05:23:23 PM | Saruman by Grathsnik | Nov 10th, 2003 05:40:15 PM | With a heavyheart, I agree
with PJ's decision by Oberon | Nov 10th, 2003 07:06:30 PM | BRILLIANT! That's a good one,
P.J.! ...Almost had me! by Charlie Kane | Nov 10th, 2003 07:24:14 PM | x.x aw man... by SomeRandomManiac | Nov 10th, 2003 07:59:15 PM | Who could have predicted that
hundreds of LOTR fans would be
cas by ar42 | Nov 10th, 2003 08:18:01 PM | One thing is for certain... by morGoth | Nov 10th, 2003 08:26:33 PM | Hey, a bad day of editing ROTK
is like a day of editing that
nev by A 30+ User | Nov 10th, 2003 08:52:57 PM | Indeed, morG. by Devil'sOwn | Nov 10th, 2003 09:28:19 PM | I found a site better than
AICG by psoe | Nov 10th, 2003 10:55:18 PM | Man! by BAMF | Nov 10th, 2003 11:43:22 PM | nope by Where's Saruman? | Nov 11th, 2003 01:31:59 AM | The Scouring & Fascism by ArumanBakshi | Nov 11th, 2003 02:08:51 AM | PJ Admitted It Himself by ArumanBakshi | Nov 11th, 2003 04:37:49 AM | Scouring of the Shire
speculation by Deagle2 | Nov 11th, 2003 05:58:23 AM | Aurmanbakshi by Miami Mofo | Nov 11th, 2003 07:12:58 AM | Silly Fans by Movietool | Nov 11th, 2003 09:25:28 AM | I'd just like to say that
anyone who doesn't agree that
Peter Ja by Mr. High | Nov 11th, 2003 10:05:06 AM | smart directors by juanrico | Nov 11th, 2003 10:07:11 AM | p.s. (hoaxes) by juanrico | Nov 11th, 2003 10:12:11 AM | oh yeah and finally by juanrico | Nov 11th, 2003 10:21:23 AM | It's all TTT's fault by sjmaatta | Nov 11th, 2003 10:24:36 AM | OH CRAP! YOU CAN'T CUT THIS,
PETE! by Halloween68 | Nov 11th, 2003 11:11:44 AM | alright, the hoaxers are
starting to win me over... by juanrico | Nov 11th, 2003 11:48:05 AM | There is a new power rising! by morGoth | Nov 11th, 2003 12:51:46 PM | What does your heart tell you? by BDT | Nov 11th, 2003 01:21:20 PM | But it's only 7 minutes! by Dragonfire | Nov 11th, 2003 01:31:08 PM | A couple of possibilities (Now
that the wailing and gnashing
of by RenoNevada2000 | Nov 11th, 2003 01:53:58 PM | I loved the first 2 LOTR
movies, but FOR THIS MISTAKE
Peter Jack by Stiffer | Nov 11th, 2003 02:54:31 PM | It's fun to speculate on
possibilities for closure, but
remember by MiserableRainGod | Nov 11th, 2003 02:55:35 PM | cut Peter a chance by Mr.Sleep | Nov 11th, 2003 02:58:46 PM | Online Petion ::::SIGN
IT:::::::http://www.petitionon
line.com/sm by Stiffer | Nov 11th, 2003 03:10:02 PM | response for "Where's Saruman" by elanor | Nov 11th, 2003 03:34:26 PM | MiserableRainGod- by RenoNevada2000 | Nov 11th, 2003 03:40:54 PM | TRUST PETER (to screw
everything up) by jeffallee | Nov 11th, 2003 04:01:04 PM | Amateurism? by number8 | Nov 11th, 2003 04:33:54 PM | dont overreact by gtiboy | Nov 11th, 2003 04:39:11 PM | Jesus.... by DocPazuzu | Nov 11th, 2003 05:03:24 PM | "Rocky And His Fiend" ... Hey,
That's Supposed To Be
"Friends" by ArumanBakshi | Nov 11th, 2003 05:05:36 PM | Argue all you want about the
Saruman item - I'll wait and
see if by FluffyUnbound | Nov 11th, 2003 05:31:36 PM | Dear Daughter of Time by devil0509 | Nov 11th, 2003 06:16:00 PM | I just got off the phone with
PJ by devil0509 | Nov 11th, 2003 06:37:44 PM | TTT coulda had an ending?! by PencilNeckedGeek | Nov 11th, 2003 06:51:14 PM | Pencilneckedgeek by Ye-Baar | Nov 11th, 2003 07:17:42 PM | elanor by Where's Saruman? | Nov 11th, 2003 08:33:09 PM | Fair enough by elanor | Nov 11th, 2003 09:21:32 PM | For devil0509, Fluffy,Number8
Aruman and Reno by elanor | Nov 11th, 2003 10:00:47 PM | The Chocolate Martini by RenoNevada2000 | Nov 11th, 2003 11:57:31 PM | Yum! Thanks Reno by elanor | Nov 12th, 2003 12:00:33 AM | The name is Nevada,
RenoNeveada by Miami Mofo | Nov 12th, 2003 06:34:24 AM | I hate typos! by Miami Mofo | Nov 12th, 2003 06:35:50 AM | the sadness of christopher lee by kwisatzhaderach | Nov 12th, 2003 06:55:55 AM | Chris Lee IS pissed off by PJ(the original) | Nov 12th, 2003 07:04:00 AM | How Do We Complain!??!? by Mr Chuff | Nov 12th, 2003 07:11:33 AM | complain HERE by mini_jojo | Nov 12th, 2003 07:23:56 AM | Chis Lee sounded as though New
Line / PJ hasn't contacted him
di by PJ(the original) | Nov 12th, 2003 07:32:39 AM | for real by juanrico | Nov 12th, 2003 10:36:44 AM | Sounds like a major screw up by Dragonfire | Nov 12th, 2003 01:58:33 PM | trusting the director... by juanrico | Nov 12th, 2003 03:10:37 PM | I feel terrible by elanor | Nov 12th, 2003 10:10:49 PM | villains & heros by BDT | Nov 12th, 2003 10:15:08 PM | "Good Riddance To Saruman's
Departure By Impalement" by ArumanBakshi | Nov 13th, 2003 03:30:32 AM | "What we have here is a
failure to communicate." by Miami Mofo | Nov 13th, 2003 03:53:51 AM | Worst Decision Ever by SeverusD | Nov 13th, 2003 06:23:20 AM | To those who wish to complain
about the absence of Saruman, by Conan_the_Humble | Nov 13th, 2003 06:30:25 AM | release it as a
preview/prologue/trailer?? by tom_s | Nov 13th, 2003 08:24:23 AM | retraction by juanrico | Nov 13th, 2003 02:58:20 PM | Don't Worry, It's Cool That
There'll Be No Scouring by ILoveEwksAndJJar | Nov 13th, 2003 08:24:45 PM | WRONG ILoveEwksAndJarJar!!! by Miami Mofo | Nov 13th, 2003 09:26:44 PM | DO WE STILL GET THE GREY
HAVENS? (SPOILERS) by Faloun | Nov 14th, 2003 05:03:40 AM | Fear not, Faloun by Miami Mofo | Nov 14th, 2003 08:13:50 AM | I trust Peter Jackson! by FuroTheRed | Nov 14th, 2003 02:36:35 PM | Scouring of Shire/Saruman by Smeagol69 | Nov 16th, 2003 10:10:45 PM | No Final Demise of Saruman? by Thrawn18 | Nov 17th, 2003 10:52:07 PM | Well... by thepeacefulone | Nov 19th, 2003 06:02:16 AM | The Scouring of the Shire
SHOULD be left out by funkyjack | Nov 19th, 2003 06:18:29 AM | Completely don't understand.. by larry_nyc | Nov 20th, 2003 06:11:20 PM | ...hmmm? by BorisFishpaw | Nov 21st, 2003 03:38:48 PM | RETURN OF THE KING EDIT by BULLDOGS | Nov 24th, 2003 02:14:13 PM | Saruman vs Gandalf lost -- Wit
betrayed by violence by MichAng | Nov 28th, 2003 01:38:53 PM | BAH!!!! by Zero Alias | Dec 2nd, 2003 02:23:17 AM | There is Hope: the plot isn't
destroyed... by Burleson | Dec 5th, 2003 02:54:48 PM | Jackson you Fucked up by larabear | Dec 12th, 2003 10:22:08 PM |
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