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The Hard Truths of Editing RETURN OF THE KING info from Peter Jackson Himself!!!

Hey folks, Harry here... Sometimes working on an epic ain't easy. Specially when you have so much passion involved, not only by the filmmakers, but the fans themselves. About two weeks ago I heard that the Saruman/Grima work had been edited out of RETURN OF THE KING. My immediate reaction was... "OUCH!" I mean, Christopher Lee has owned in each of the 2 Lord of the Rings movies we've seen thus far, but also... His presence has been iconic and classy in a way that defies description. I figured that this news would best be left to Peter to address in interviews once the film began screening, as I was sure it was a decision he did not relish making.

Then, this week... the story began to leak further. No longer just to me, but Moriarty caught wind of it, and as Moriarty often does... He became profoundly upset. Afterall... Moriarty is EVIL - his favorite characters are EVIL. He decided to continue poking around and he found a very direct source that told him that the cut was made due to pressures from New Line & that Peter was extremely upset about this and was fighting New Line left and right.

Apparently this was what Moriarty was talking about in chat recently and at 2am in the morning two days ago, I got a call from Quint going, "What are going to do about Goddamn NEW LINE and this FUCKING debacle?" I was like... "What debacle?" Then Quint filled me in on what Moriarty had learned.

My reaction was... BULLSHIT. For the last 3 weeks, Peter Jackson and I have been trading emails regarding some collectibles that pretty much rule the world. I can't buy them, because I know he exists, and so all I can do is watch as he buys them and wish to god I had more money than Peter Jackson. (A primary reason for me becoming a Producer - there's Geek shit I need to be able to outbid Pete on!) Through these conversations, Peter has let slip how things are going, steps he's made through the process, and how at long last it is coming to an end and he's been delighted with the final film.

In addition to Pete, I've been in AOL IM's, e-mail exchanges, AOL Voice IM's and even those groovy camera thingees with folks in New Zealand that have seen ROTK and talk about being in tears for an hour of the film and how everyone feels it's the very best of the series by a very large factor.

HOWEVER, I was concerned with Moriarty in Open-Chats... and the mere charge of New Line issues upon RETURN OF THE KING to write Peter and directly ask about all of this, and Peter... knowing very well that this was volatile news... Not in any other sense than there will be a certain level of fan disappointment at the loss of Christopher Lee's scenes in RETURN OF THE KING, but he didn't want to see the record wrong on how all of this came to be. Here's what Peter wrote me....

Saruman thing you describe is a muddle of half-truths.

We have decided to save the Saruman sequence for the DVD. It's a great little scene. 7 mins long. Chris is wonderful, as usual. Brad is in about 6 shots. It was a film maker decision - nothing to do with the studio.

The problem is that the sequence was originally shot for The Two Towers, as it is in the book. Since The Two Towers couldn't sustain a 7 min "wrap" after Helm's Deep, we thought it would be a good idea to save it for the beginning of the Return of the King. The trouble is, when we viewed various ROTK cuts over the last few weeks, it feels like the first scenes are wrapping last year's movie, instead of starting the new one. We felt it got ROTK off to an uncertain beginning, since Saruman plays no role in the events of ROTK (we don't have the Scouring later, as the book does), yet we dwell in Isengard for quite a long time before our new story kicks off.

We reluctantly made the decision to save this sequence for the DVD. The choice was made on the basis that most people will assume that Saruman was vanquished by the Helm's Deep events, and Ent attack. We can now crack straight into setting up the narrative tension of ROTK, which features Sauron as the villian.

It was a very similar situation to last year when we decided to take a nice Boromir/Denethor flashback out of The Two Towers, and put it in the DVD. It was causing us pacing problems in the theatrical version, but with the Extended Cut just coming out now, fans can see this great little scene. Thank God for DVD, since it does mean that a version of the movie, which has different pacing requirements, can be released later. The Saruman sequence will definately be a highlight of the Extended ROTK DVD.

We have a lot of great DVD material this time around. As we crafted the movie, we reduced it from an over 4 hour running time, down to 3.12 (without credits - about 8 mins long). This was done by us. There were no studio cutting notes. We now have a movie with a pace that fells ok for it's theatrical release. One more week to go. We are nearly there. Will we still be standing? It's going to be a close run thing.

Cheers,

Peter J

A week to go? The news about New Line making the cuts themselves had instantly struck me wrong, because I knew that New Line wasn't supposed to take possession of the film till November 1st. However, I had found out that 11 days before that time, Peter had added, I believe it was 12 visual effects shots for the Minas Tirith battles, and I had heard it was going to put them past their deadline a bit... Well, now it'll be 2 weeks past that date, which means that Next Friday... New Line will finally take over possession of the print, then about a 2 months of work will be squeezed into a month - as prints are created for world consumption. Wonder how wet these things will be by the time they hit theaters?

Anyway, that's the truth about Saruman and his scenes in RETURN OF THE KING, straight from Derek's mouth! A hard decision, one of many in the making of an epic.

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Damn it, I really wanted to see Saruman get his
by Terry_1978
Nov 7th, 2003
03:37:31 PM
Lee should gnaw Jackson's legs off at the knees after Douriff pu
by Fred
Nov 7th, 2003
03:37:54 PM
does this mean no palantir?
by noteboom
Nov 7th, 2003
03:41:20 PM
Saruman's Demise
by BigBadBalls
Nov 7th, 2003
03:42:09 PM
TOBY SKLUTE IS FIRST ALWAYS
by turbonerd
Nov 7th, 2003
03:42:24 PM
First, bitches! P.S. PJ you rule!
by JohnnyBlueJeans
Nov 7th, 2003
03:43:12 PM
Third
by DietCodeRed
Nov 7th, 2003
03:43:55 PM
the scouring
by Wheel99
Nov 7th, 2003
03:45:25 PM
Scouring should be gone
by Laimbrane
Nov 7th, 2003
03:48:08 PM
No scouring of the Shire?
by eternal76
Nov 7th, 2003
03:48:19 PM
The Saruman story has to be resolved somehow (SPOILERS)
by Nordling
Nov 7th, 2003
03:49:20 PM
MPAA
by sano orbis
Nov 7th, 2003
03:50:31 PM
Can't wait
by BrianBoru
Nov 7th, 2003
03:54:48 PM
Can't wait
by BrianBoru
Nov 7th, 2003
03:55:51 PM
It's cool and it sucks...like life!
by 33.3rpm
Nov 7th, 2003
03:58:41 PM
Christopher Lee is Gunno be mighty pissed for sure - He was on t
by darth_billy
Nov 7th, 2003
04:08:35 PM
Book vs. movie...
by Dru
Nov 7th, 2003
04:55:50 PM
I'm pissed & relieved at the same time.
by Nice Marmot
Nov 7th, 2003
04:58:05 PM
Thats utterly bullshit
by Thumper2k1
Nov 7th, 2003
05:34:38 PM
Actually...
by snorfle
Nov 7th, 2003
05:38:09 PM
Best Director, my ass
by MiserableRainGod
Nov 7th, 2003
05:52:05 PM
This is fucking disasterous...
by Skyway Moaters
Nov 7th, 2003
06:06:50 PM

by red_xavier
Nov 7th, 2003
06:12:38 PM
We're saving it for the DVD. Ugh, As much as I love the extended
by xavier masterson
Nov 7th, 2003
06:12:57 PM
PETER JACKSON RAPED MY CHILDHOOD@!
by Chet Hudson
Nov 7th, 2003
06:15:11 PM
Editing
by SpikedBuffy
Nov 7th, 2003
06:15:51 PM
The more I hear of RoTK, the more I think its going to suck. Her
by Effigy2002
Nov 7th, 2003
06:16:24 PM
This is BAD, really really bad.
by naughtius
Nov 7th, 2003
06:17:24 PM
Oh boy. (SPOILERS for those who haven't read the book)
by Ye-Baar
Nov 7th, 2003
06:21:00 PM
Just another plot hole...no big deal
by Rupee88
Nov 7th, 2003
06:22:45 PM
chill out
by Gorf
Nov 7th, 2003
06:24:39 PM
Man, I love these movies so much more than The Matrix movies...
by HardcoreRocker
Nov 7th, 2003
06:29:36 PM
Basically what Jackson is saying is that he screwed up.
by xavier masterson
Nov 7th, 2003
06:29:39 PM
See, Pete, That's Where You Make the Mistake...
by hipcheck13
Nov 7th, 2003
06:30:10 PM
You people worry about the stupidest things...
by LukeShelton
Nov 7th, 2003
06:34:50 PM
I trust Peter enough to reserve judgement until after i've seen
by 007-11
Nov 7th, 2003
06:37:20 PM
At the end of TTT Saruman's backyard is flooded and he's freakin
by JAGUART
Nov 7th, 2003
06:38:02 PM
What cracks me up...
by Effigy2002
Nov 7th, 2003
06:40:58 PM
JackMercy says...
by Be like water
Nov 7th, 2003
06:45:37 PM
Cut PJ some slack and have a little faith! He's poured his heart
by Niphredil bloom
Nov 7th, 2003
06:48:24 PM
Palantir scene cut too ehh?
by TS Thomas
Nov 7th, 2003
06:50:42 PM
Explain this decision to me, Peter Jackson
by Brody Armstrong
Nov 7th, 2003
06:52:47 PM
PJ raped Saruman's childhood!
by devil0509
Nov 7th, 2003
06:54:20 PM
Palantir scene cut too ehh? Part 2
by TS Thomas
Nov 7th, 2003
06:55:16 PM
Woah people...
by Kraken
Nov 7th, 2003
06:56:48 PM
I agree that the Scouring is the whole point of the book.
by DufusyteII
Nov 7th, 2003
06:57:15 PM
Hey Harry drop a few more names....
by Sketchy
Nov 7th, 2003
06:59:05 PM
So I guess he just flees on his Speeder Bike?
by JAGUART
Nov 7th, 2003
07:04:49 PM
I can't believe that Peter Jackson spelled it "definately"
by Han Ol' Buddy
Nov 7th, 2003
07:05:04 PM
It reminds me of the transition from Aliens to Alien 3
by juscan
Nov 7th, 2003
07:05:09 PM
I think PJ makes some good points there, actually.... and I agre
by Talimon
Nov 7th, 2003
07:06:32 PM
This is totally Warner's doing
by Geek, Esq.
Nov 7th, 2003
07:07:23 PM
Well..
by Enigma7
Nov 7th, 2003
07:08:14 PM
Her'es what peter Jackson MUST do!
by Effigy2002
Nov 7th, 2003
07:15:13 PM
Just one more example of how Jackson is ill equiped to take on s
by son of stik
Nov 7th, 2003
07:17:17 PM
Get over it
by Kungfumanchu
Nov 7th, 2003
07:21:56 PM
PJ is brilliant. Just fucking brilliant.
by tribe2003
Nov 7th, 2003
07:26:59 PM
Dear Peter J, please put back in the deleted Tom Bombadil scene!
by JAGUART
Nov 7th, 2003
07:27:57 PM
There are endings, and there are ENDINGS!!!!!!!!!
by Miami Mofo
Nov 7th, 2003
07:32:42 PM
Spikey Wheel is out?!
by greenleaf
Nov 7th, 2003
07:39:57 PM
RotK Cuts
by Mr. Wulf
Nov 7th, 2003
07:43:24 PM
One movie, one book. NOT THREE.
by MiserableRainGod
Nov 7th, 2003
07:45:15 PM
ROTK
by Playhouse
Nov 7th, 2003
07:46:33 PM
It's not just that it's a bad adaptation....
by son of stik
Nov 7th, 2003
07:50:43 PM
"The main point is that Frodo loses everything to destroy the ri
by MiserableRainGod
Nov 7th, 2003
07:50:47 PM
A shame
by b-rock
Nov 7th, 2003
07:54:59 PM
johnny blue jeans
by neckbone
Nov 7th, 2003
07:58:09 PM
told you so
by Ryalto 3.0
Nov 7th, 2003
08:02:29 PM
tribe2003, you are a freak
by devil0509
Nov 7th, 2003
08:19:37 PM
tribe2003,
by raw_bean
Nov 7th, 2003
08:22:33 PM
Thanks, sniff, sniff, anyway, Harry. And to Dov: The Scouring wa
by elanor
Nov 7th, 2003
08:23:46 PM
You apologists make me sick.
by Effigy2002
Nov 7th, 2003
08:24:48 PM
I still look forward to the movie
by dan_ca2003
Nov 7th, 2003
08:24:57 PM
MiserableRainGod, good point BUT...
by raw_bean
Nov 7th, 2003
08:28:53 PM
this is a problem...
by Dragonfire
Nov 7th, 2003
08:29:55 PM
Man, fuck Peter Jackson.
by Mr. High
Nov 7th, 2003
08:31:48 PM
Man, fuck Peter Jackson part 2.
by Mr. High
Nov 7th, 2003
08:34:10 PM
b-rock, I realise its sad to see the Scouring of the Shire go,
by raw_bean
Nov 7th, 2003
08:34:25 PM
Man, fuck Peter Jackson part 3.
by Mr. High
Nov 7th, 2003
08:38:21 PM
Well, thank you elanor!
by raw_bean
Nov 7th, 2003
08:45:39 PM
good god
by Thumper2k1
Nov 7th, 2003
08:47:29 PM
lotr licks balls
by thedude4life360
Nov 7th, 2003
08:49:55 PM

by thedude4life360
Nov 7th, 2003
08:50:57 PM
If Saruman hadn't kicked Gandalf's booty all over FOTR it wouldn
by Terry_1978
Nov 7th, 2003
08:52:15 PM
Anyway,
by raw_bean
Nov 7th, 2003
08:52:18 PM
Not a choice I'd make, but...we all need to chill
by Davdaman
Nov 7th, 2003
09:00:55 PM
So let me get this straight, PJ thought it would be better to cu
by TheGinger Twit
Nov 7th, 2003
09:01:09 PM
Saurman
by TS Thomas
Nov 7th, 2003
09:03:54 PM
I just don't get it, PJ will release (of each film) a 3+ hour ci
by TheGinger Twit
Nov 7th, 2003
09:27:33 PM
Going backwards
by Dave Bowman
Nov 7th, 2003
09:35:27 PM
Oh, please...
by Kanyn22
Nov 7th, 2003
09:56:07 PM
getting right down to brass tacks man...
by acidhorse
Nov 7th, 2003
10:04:46 PM
The Council...who will take the ring?
by BDT
Nov 7th, 2003
10:08:42 PM
Pete's playing a trick
by Moxy
Nov 7th, 2003
10:11:14 PM
nobody is going to understand it!!!!
by catwise
Nov 7th, 2003
10:11:56 PM
You'll still see it.
by GrammarPolice
Nov 7th, 2003
10:20:07 PM
is not about the Scouring
by catwise
Nov 7th, 2003
10:22:45 PM
You whining purists are the biggest fucking babies on planet ear
by King_Midas
Nov 7th, 2003
10:28:44 PM
Hipocrite Fanboys!
by Lavaman
Nov 7th, 2003
10:44:14 PM
To devil0509 and raw_bean
by tribe2003
Nov 7th, 2003
10:55:11 PM
you know...
by PolyesterRage
Nov 7th, 2003
10:58:44 PM
Saruman is out, but Gimli's de-pantsing is still in
by GypsyTRobot
Nov 7th, 2003
10:58:49 PM
Ugh. PJ, don't do this...
by Caerdwyn
Nov 7th, 2003
11:10:06 PM
Saruman/Grima
by PEPELOCON
Nov 7th, 2003
11:13:20 PM
And one more thing . . .
by GypsyTRobot
Nov 7th, 2003
11:20:50 PM
tribe2003...on a less caustic note
by devil0509
Nov 7th, 2003
11:24:29 PM
Oh..
by Caerdwyn
Nov 7th, 2003
11:30:37 PM
Geez, guys. Relax.
by tbrosz
Nov 7th, 2003
11:30:38 PM
devil0509, right back at ya :)
by tribe2003
Nov 7th, 2003
11:38:08 PM
Tribe2003...how did I end up arguing with a lawyer?!
by devil0509
Nov 7th, 2003
11:48:53 PM
LOL
by tribe2003
Nov 7th, 2003
11:53:49 PM
Re: As someone from another movie once said. "I've got a bad fee
by Indiana Clones
Nov 8th, 2003
12:17:57 AM
See...
by DarthCorleone
Nov 8th, 2003
12:39:52 AM
Makes Sense
by Ribbons
Nov 8th, 2003
12:40:48 AM
You people read things that were not written.
by Malan
Nov 8th, 2003
12:42:04 AM
Bring On EPIII
by AlwaysThere
Nov 8th, 2003
01:08:29 AM
BAD BAD IDEA
by D.Vader
Nov 8th, 2003
01:18:50 AM
And also, the Scouring NEEDS to be CUT
by D.Vader
Nov 8th, 2003
01:24:05 AM
Just a couple of days ago, I said that everything,
by Conan_the_Humble
Nov 8th, 2003
01:43:18 AM
The time to get it right is NOW, PJ!!!
by Phildogger
Nov 8th, 2003
02:12:24 AM
Grrr!
by cheeselouise
Nov 8th, 2003
02:19:00 AM
I better not have to wait
by Captain Comet
Nov 8th, 2003
02:35:58 AM
The screenplays have been the "DOWNFALL" of the first two films.
by MattO
Nov 8th, 2003
02:39:02 AM
Who is this "Barry Meyer" dude!?!
by MattO
Nov 8th, 2003
02:47:53 AM
We want Saruman back, Barry!!!
by MattO
Nov 8th, 2003
02:50:52 AM
Ouch and ouch!!!
by the swede
Nov 8th, 2003
02:58:00 AM
Please let Saruman's death in the theatrical
by Jon E Cin
Nov 8th, 2003
03:14:55 AM
fanfuckingtabulous
by acidhorse
Nov 8th, 2003
03:27:59 AM
Listen you fanboy biatches, this is CHRISTOPHER LEE here! Why is
by Spacesheik
Nov 8th, 2003
03:32:02 AM
jesus christ, give me PJ's email!
by bryanharley
Nov 8th, 2003
03:33:17 AM
sorry
by acidhorse
Nov 8th, 2003
03:38:37 AM
Geeze talk about thowing the AICN Trolls and Haters red meat!
by TallScott
Nov 8th, 2003
03:47:35 AM
D.VADER you are SPOT ON mate!
by Spacesheik
Nov 8th, 2003
04:02:30 AM
Moot MY AZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
by the lasadorian
Nov 8th, 2003
04:22:05 AM
devil0509, you are right (IMHO)
by Mr. Wulf
Nov 8th, 2003
04:47:30 AM
Some thoughts on Saruman and TTT
by Spacesheik
Nov 8th, 2003
04:52:15 AM
Pacing, my arse. We need a petition!!!!
by Dioraeg
Nov 8th, 2003
04:56:04 AM
this may b a moot point...
by Acne Scarface
Nov 8th, 2003
05:15:29 AM
know wot d b good
by jimdin2001
Nov 8th, 2003
05:26:20 AM
!~Need 4 Blind Trust in Jackson~!
by palebluedot7
Nov 8th, 2003
05:28:09 AM
not trying to draw any comparisons here but
by jimdin2001
Nov 8th, 2003
05:28:46 AM
for those who dont want to go to link its STARWARS DVD SEPTEMBER
by jimdin2001
Nov 8th, 2003
05:30:08 AM
Don't do it!
by lochieg
Nov 8th, 2003
05:49:52 AM
MIERDA
by CuervoJones
Nov 8th, 2003
05:58:14 AM
Cut and out
by fatarsezombie
Nov 8th, 2003
06:28:48 AM
BY THIS LOGIC, PJ WOULD CUT THE OPENING OF TTT BECAUSE IT HAS A
by TheGinger Twit
Nov 8th, 2003
06:31:32 AM
Looking for eggs
by Nr 1
Nov 8th, 2003
06:51:16 AM
nobody will assume that Saruman was vanquished
by catwise
Nov 8th, 2003
06:56:23 AM
Damn!!!!!!!
by shonin
Nov 8th, 2003
07:55:55 AM
Jason Korn....
by shonin
Nov 8th, 2003
07:58:47 AM
Disgusted
by DocPazuzu
Nov 8th, 2003
08:16:23 AM
ebonic, I think you meant Paraguay; also Marilyn MonRohan, Moxy,
by Miami Mofo
Nov 8th, 2003
08:26:47 AM
Who cares? LOTR is overrated crap anyway
by hiperaktiv
Nov 8th, 2003
08:42:23 AM
One last thing about Marilyn MonRohan
by Miami Mofo
Nov 8th, 2003
09:20:46 AM
Found an egg
by Nr 1
Nov 8th, 2003
09:28:19 AM
Yeah, "speech" I know
by Nr 1
Nov 8th, 2003
09:30:20 AM
DocPazazu or whatever your fucking name is
by Thumper2k1
Nov 8th, 2003
09:48:04 AM
Thumper
by DocPazuzu
Nov 8th, 2003
09:53:15 AM
Wait Wait, the conversation with GRIMA is out
by CatoTheCensor
Nov 8th, 2003
09:57:42 AM
To Mr. Wolf :)
by tribe2003
Nov 8th, 2003
10:10:30 AM
ROTK will rock your world, geek losers!
by The Flashlight
Nov 8th, 2003
10:13:18 AM
I'm going to have to agree against not including Saruman.
by riskebiz
Nov 8th, 2003
10:22:22 AM
DON'T BE AFRAID... PETER WILL GIVE YOU THE RIDE OF A LIFETIME.
by workshed
Nov 8th, 2003
10:30:19 AM
Doc,
by Thumper2k1
Nov 8th, 2003
10:37:28 AM
Ships up the Anduin
by Mastour Org
Nov 8th, 2003
10:49:14 AM
Thumper
by DocPazuzu
Nov 8th, 2003
10:52:09 AM
LOL@Darth Corleone
by devil0509
Nov 8th, 2003
11:15:30 AM
Oh Shut Up and Tell it to Someone Who Cares you Pathetic Geeks
by FYI-2003
Nov 8th, 2003
11:27:12 AM
Not to sound redundant here, but...
by Devil'sOwn
Nov 8th, 2003
11:31:54 AM
Gaffer kicks tater cart
by morGoth
Nov 8th, 2003
11:47:35 AM
Lawks! I meant...
by morGoth
Nov 8th, 2003
11:50:31 AM
IT'S SO SAD,PETER:THAT'S A TREASON!!!
by famagunda
Nov 8th, 2003
11:56:21 AM
The worst thing about LotR (the movies)
by PhilConnors
Nov 8th, 2003
11:57:06 AM
This makes me sick and is a perversion of Tolkien's work
by skywaymoaters
Nov 8th, 2003
12:09:40 PM
Sad news for Dracula
by Bob X
Nov 8th, 2003
12:45:46 PM
oldtimers
by Dan42
Nov 8th, 2003
01:00:46 PM
What?!
by Shaner Jedi
Nov 8th, 2003
01:06:51 PM
Holy Vala spit! What a TB!
by morGoth
Nov 8th, 2003
01:14:54 PM
LAY OFF PJ!!!!!
by delflord
Nov 8th, 2003
01:18:19 PM
By Durin's Beard! Is that Dan42! Hola mellon!
by morGoth
Nov 8th, 2003
01:20:17 PM
Hey Johnny Suede
by morGoth
Nov 8th, 2003
01:25:33 PM
SKYWAY MOATERS, YOU ARE THE PERVERT
by Mr. Ranger
Nov 8th, 2003
01:35:07 PM
Mr. Ranger, that is NOT Skyway Moaters.
by morGoth
Nov 8th, 2003
01:43:43 PM
Ebonic_plague
by morGoth
Nov 8th, 2003
01:44:42 PM
Saruman petition online
by Dioraeg
Nov 8th, 2003
02:14:19 PM
Suddenly, RotK doesn't hold any appeal to me.
by franksirmarco
Nov 8th, 2003
02:17:22 PM
DOC PAZUZU thinks we're all whining biatches cause we wanna see
by Spacesheik
Nov 8th, 2003
02:20:39 PM
All of this madness....and a response to Mr. Bjiarki
by spideyman1218
Nov 8th, 2003
02:20:40 PM
Sign the petition
by Spacesheik
Nov 8th, 2003
02:28:46 PM
i gotta know
by acidhorse
Nov 8th, 2003
02:39:13 PM
Sign a Petition?
by Ribbons
Nov 8th, 2003
02:40:40 PM
petition info
by Spacesheik
Nov 8th, 2003
02:51:51 PM
Petition?
by Dr. Death
Nov 8th, 2003
02:53:14 PM
In other news PETER JACKSON's film credit is changed to BIG FAT
by Tall_Boy
Nov 8th, 2003
02:59:35 PM
Come now
by spideyman1218
Nov 8th, 2003
03:00:55 PM
I nothing to say on this at the mo, brains too tired.
by raw_bean
Nov 8th, 2003
03:57:01 PM
Late post on pacing and editing
by BIGPOTATOGIRL
Nov 8th, 2003
03:59:06 PM
Having edited before...
by SK909
Nov 8th, 2003
04:16:17 PM
A few of you seem to be forgetting something
by elanor
Nov 8th, 2003
04:19:18 PM
Well put, Lady Elanor....
by spideyman1218
Nov 8th, 2003
04:24:21 PM
What's up with the AICN servers?
by PhilConnors
Nov 8th, 2003
04:24:22 PM
What a bunch of whiny bitches
by Vroomfundle
Nov 8th, 2003
04:25:00 PM
Let down, But hopeful...
by Smaugsfire
Nov 8th, 2003
04:28:47 PM
sauroman? grimer?
by spideyman1218
Nov 8th, 2003
04:34:30 PM
test
by Where's Saruman?
Nov 8th, 2003
04:38:14 PM
One other thing... Warner needs to get AOL off of it's ass...
by SK909
Nov 8th, 2003
04:40:10 PM
ok
by Where's Saruman?
Nov 8th, 2003
04:42:05 PM
This is bullshit
by Up yours
Nov 8th, 2003
04:46:54 PM
Lunch is served, Johnny Suede
by Miami Mofo
Nov 8th, 2003
05:04:40 PM
The movie is still going to be excellent
by MemBirdman
Nov 8th, 2003
05:06:57 PM
How is this different from the whole "Lucas raped my childhood"
by Ribbons
Nov 8th, 2003
05:12:31 PM
can't believe people are still pissed off about Tom Bombadil and
by Dragonfire
Nov 8th, 2003
05:18:05 PM
Hi, Bjarki!
by daughter of time
Nov 8th, 2003
05:35:43 PM
difference from lucas raped...
by Where's Saruman?
Nov 8th, 2003
05:36:01 PM
In other other news BIG FAT WANKER IDIOT takes prints of LOTR an
by Tall_Boy
Nov 8th, 2003
05:44:22 PM
Ouch
by djinnj
Nov 8th, 2003
05:52:52 PM
Christopher Lee
by Dreamhandler
Nov 8th, 2003
06:35:37 PM
This stinks!
by jeffallee
Nov 8th, 2003
06:46:02 PM
Umm... Hmmm....
by Ribbons
Nov 8th, 2003
06:46:09 PM
Oh, and
by Ribbons
Nov 8th, 2003
06:48:45 PM
ONLINE PETITION
by Mr Ted
Nov 8th, 2003
06:50:25 PM
MHO with *SPOILERS*
by BDT
Nov 8th, 2003
07:02:39 PM
Mr. Ted
by Dr. Death
Nov 8th, 2003
07:22:25 PM
Grey Havens
by Dr. Death
Nov 8th, 2003
07:25:11 PM
Here;s the reason we're mad about Scouring, crystal clear
by MiserableRainGod
Nov 8th, 2003
07:32:51 PM
Spacesheik
by DocPazuzu
Nov 8th, 2003
07:46:40 PM
That would be fine Elanor and would please this purist no end.
by Conan_the_Humble
Nov 8th, 2003
08:34:53 PM
Somehow I don't care tonight
by mayaV
Nov 8th, 2003
08:45:01 PM
I've never read these books..
by ScienceMan
Nov 8th, 2003
09:03:12 PM
It's true, I'm not a reader of the books, and I had been expecti
by TheGinger Twit
Nov 8th, 2003
09:30:33 PM
Remember Lurtz?
by Deagle2
Nov 8th, 2003
09:34:11 PM
Oh and...
by Deagle2
Nov 8th, 2003
09:42:36 PM
MemBirdman
by raw_bean
Nov 8th, 2003
09:43:36 PM
MiserableRainGod,
by raw_bean
Nov 8th, 2003
09:49:18 PM
Lesser of two Evils
by Odorf
Nov 8th, 2003
10:13:26 PM
It should have been at the end of TTT!!!
by BigBadBalls
Nov 8th, 2003
10:18:30 PM
And one more thing....
by Odorf
Nov 8th, 2003
10:29:34 PM
What?!?!?!
by Liss
Nov 8th, 2003
10:41:35 PM

by FYI-2003
Nov 8th, 2003
11:51:29 PM
Wow! Am I really saying this? Pud! Is right!
by morGoth
Nov 8th, 2003
11:56:09 PM
Further defense of my useless petition
by dupmaster
Nov 9th, 2003
02:20:06 AM
Where are the comments from Peter Jacksson and New Line to this
by the swede
Nov 9th, 2003
05:29:59 AM
DOC PAZUZU
by Spacesheik
Nov 9th, 2003
06:10:41 AM
My two cents...
by film101
Nov 9th, 2003
06:11:29 AM
I've no problem with the change
by RowanM
Nov 9th, 2003
06:30:04 AM
We're gonna need a bigger room
by Miami Mofo
Nov 9th, 2003
07:36:17 AM
"Purely for bragging purposes only, I'm in Thailand, my TTT dvd
by Spacesheik
Nov 9th, 2003
09:55:31 AM
Skyway Moaters: "affection between a man and a young boy"
by Mr. Ranger
Nov 9th, 2003
10:32:58 AM
Peter Jackson is MY HERO
by Hate_Speech
Nov 9th, 2003
10:43:01 AM
You people make me sick.
by Piddle
Nov 9th, 2003
11:37:48 AM
Anyone who still thinks PJ is a genius after this debacle is not
by Atticus Finch
Nov 9th, 2003
12:42:14 PM
Mr. Ranger, get thee back to the fucking Bible Belt
by skywaymoaters
Nov 9th, 2003
01:02:24 PM
OK Mr. Ranger...I'm calling bullshit on you.
by morGoth
Nov 9th, 2003
02:36:55 PM
I agree with Piddle
by morGoth
Nov 9th, 2003
02:54:45 PM
Mind this
by Malan
Nov 9th, 2003
03:43:14 PM
yes but....
by agadoin
Nov 9th, 2003
04:10:02 PM
4hrs
by Blowfish
Nov 9th, 2003
04:11:48 PM

by Devil'sOwn
Nov 9th, 2003
04:21:09 PM
DVD
by agadoin
Nov 9th, 2003
04:22:26 PM
Halls of Mandos should be closed forever to spirit of Mr. Jacks
by Snaga-ape
Nov 9th, 2003
04:52:46 PM
I'm back! nananananana
by Devil'sOwn
Nov 9th, 2003
05:03:11 PM
Not worth the effort
by LukeShelton
Nov 9th, 2003
05:23:45 PM
Poll - how hypocritical are we purists?
by tribe2003
Nov 9th, 2003
05:51:50 PM
My favorite moment in the books...
by Dare Devil Dog
Nov 9th, 2003
06:05:33 PM
The Voice of Saruman chapter is where Gandalf emerges as the mor
by Ralph Cifaretto
Nov 9th, 2003
06:46:14 PM
tribe2003
by morGoth
Nov 9th, 2003
08:29:58 PM
This is a load of crap!
by LordZanthos
Nov 9th, 2003
08:35:14 PM

by Caerdwyn
Nov 10th, 2003
02:57:20 AM
The word on the street is that the world needs to blace the blam
by darksydeavenger
Nov 10th, 2003
03:19:21 AM

by Jam Banjo
Nov 10th, 2003
04:57:42 AM
All they need to do is...
by Jam Banjo
Nov 10th, 2003
05:06:17 AM
Lee got bumped so the girls could have more Legolas action
by rizla
Nov 10th, 2003
06:16:13 AM
Darksy,
by Conan_the_Humble
Nov 10th, 2003
07:51:58 AM
By the end of ROTK
by CellarDoor
Nov 10th, 2003
08:09:25 AM
Why, o'why, o'why
by Ulric
Nov 10th, 2003
08:34:29 AM
Saruman or OSCAR
by jadekyle
Nov 10th, 2003
09:15:13 AM
Will the real Moaters please stand up?
by Skyway Moaters
Nov 10th, 2003
09:34:17 AM
This can work.
by Filibuster
Nov 10th, 2003
09:44:11 AM
looking forward to the DVD
by purplemonkeydw
Nov 10th, 2003
09:45:50 AM
all you people do is complain! complain! complain!
by amaria
Nov 10th, 2003
10:01:56 AM
Fuck You Peter
by Cory849
Nov 10th, 2003
11:05:41 AM
Palantir
by EvilTwinSkippy
Nov 10th, 2003
11:27:59 AM
Jesus Christ People...
by Damitol
Nov 10th, 2003
11:33:52 AM
Didn't you people just read "his" words...
by Strider69
Nov 10th, 2003
11:43:46 AM
Good god
by Longfellow
Nov 10th, 2003
12:13:35 PM
RE: EvilTwinSkippy
by morGoth
Nov 10th, 2003
12:47:29 PM
Return of the King
by Palhaco
Nov 10th, 2003
12:53:53 PM
Why we care about major changes
by daughter of time
Nov 10th, 2003
01:25:54 PM
Summary of this update for those who can't bear the whole thing
by Arcadian Del Sol
Nov 10th, 2003
01:28:10 PM
Disappointing
by cabsau
Nov 10th, 2003
01:42:35 PM
Well that's something to ponder, and no mistake...
by Skyway Moaters
Nov 10th, 2003
01:47:11 PM
What about the whole spiked wizard issue?
by cabsau
Nov 10th, 2003
01:54:51 PM
If anyone's still reading this...
by Dragonfire
Nov 10th, 2003
02:40:35 PM
Reposted from Christopher Lee's site: I THINK HE'S IN ON ...
by Skyway Moaters
Nov 10th, 2003
02:51:50 PM
Here, here, Daughter of Time
by MiserableRainGod
Nov 10th, 2003
02:52:33 PM
I knowit you was a clevver bloak Conan...
by Pontsing Barset
Nov 10th, 2003
03:13:25 PM
ambiguity...
by juanrico
Nov 10th, 2003
03:15:09 PM
The footage isn't gone for good
by Shawn F.
Nov 10th, 2003
03:38:56 PM
How can PJ pull it off?
by Pinksquad
Nov 10th, 2003
04:02:58 PM
single scene
by agadoin
Nov 10th, 2003
05:15:19 PM
When do we get the Official LOTR Fanboy Crying Towel?
by SykkBoy
Nov 10th, 2003
05:23:23 PM
Saruman
by Grathsnik
Nov 10th, 2003
05:40:15 PM
With a heavyheart, I agree with PJ's decision
by Oberon
Nov 10th, 2003
07:06:30 PM
BRILLIANT! That's a good one, P.J.! ...Almost had me!
by Charlie Kane
Nov 10th, 2003
07:24:14 PM
x.x aw man...
by SomeRandomManiac
Nov 10th, 2003
07:59:15 PM
Who could have predicted that hundreds of LOTR fans would be cas
by ar42
Nov 10th, 2003
08:18:01 PM
One thing is for certain...
by morGoth
Nov 10th, 2003
08:26:33 PM
Hey, a bad day of editing ROTK is like a day of editing that nev
by A 30+ User
Nov 10th, 2003
08:52:57 PM
Indeed, morG.
by Devil'sOwn
Nov 10th, 2003
09:28:19 PM
I found a site better than AICG
by psoe
Nov 10th, 2003
10:55:18 PM
Man!
by BAMF
Nov 10th, 2003
11:43:22 PM
nope
by Where's Saruman?
Nov 11th, 2003
01:31:59 AM
The Scouring & Fascism
by ArumanBakshi
Nov 11th, 2003
02:08:51 AM
PJ Admitted It Himself
by ArumanBakshi
Nov 11th, 2003
04:37:49 AM
Scouring of the Shire speculation
by Deagle2
Nov 11th, 2003
05:58:23 AM
Aurmanbakshi
by Miami Mofo
Nov 11th, 2003
07:12:58 AM
Silly Fans
by Movietool
Nov 11th, 2003
09:25:28 AM
I'd just like to say that anyone who doesn't agree that Peter Ja
by Mr. High
Nov 11th, 2003
10:05:06 AM
smart directors
by juanrico
Nov 11th, 2003
10:07:11 AM
p.s. (hoaxes)
by juanrico
Nov 11th, 2003
10:12:11 AM
oh yeah and finally
by juanrico
Nov 11th, 2003
10:21:23 AM
It's all TTT's fault
by sjmaatta
Nov 11th, 2003
10:24:36 AM
OH CRAP! YOU CAN'T CUT THIS, PETE!
by Halloween68
Nov 11th, 2003
11:11:44 AM
alright, the hoaxers are starting to win me over...
by juanrico
Nov 11th, 2003
11:48:05 AM
There is a new power rising!
by morGoth
Nov 11th, 2003
12:51:46 PM
What does your heart tell you?
by BDT
Nov 11th, 2003
01:21:20 PM
But it's only 7 minutes!
by Dragonfire
Nov 11th, 2003
01:31:08 PM
A couple of possibilities (Now that the wailing and gnashing of
by RenoNevada2000
Nov 11th, 2003
01:53:58 PM
I loved the first 2 LOTR movies, but FOR THIS MISTAKE Peter Jack
by Stiffer
Nov 11th, 2003
02:54:31 PM
It's fun to speculate on possibilities for closure, but remember
by MiserableRainGod
Nov 11th, 2003
02:55:35 PM
cut Peter a chance
by Mr.Sleep
Nov 11th, 2003
02:58:46 PM
Online Petion ::::SIGN IT:::::::http://www.petitionon line.com/sm
by Stiffer
Nov 11th, 2003
03:10:02 PM
response for "Where's Saruman"
by elanor
Nov 11th, 2003
03:34:26 PM
MiserableRainGod-
by RenoNevada2000
Nov 11th, 2003
03:40:54 PM
TRUST PETER (to screw everything up)
by jeffallee
Nov 11th, 2003
04:01:04 PM
Amateurism?
by number8
Nov 11th, 2003
04:33:54 PM
dont overreact
by gtiboy
Nov 11th, 2003
04:39:11 PM
Jesus....
by DocPazuzu
Nov 11th, 2003
05:03:24 PM
"Rocky And His Fiend" ... Hey, That's Supposed To Be "Friends"
by ArumanBakshi
Nov 11th, 2003
05:05:36 PM
Argue all you want about the Saruman item - I'll wait and see if
by FluffyUnbound
Nov 11th, 2003
05:31:36 PM
Dear Daughter of Time
by devil0509
Nov 11th, 2003
06:16:00 PM
I just got off the phone with PJ
by devil0509
Nov 11th, 2003
06:37:44 PM
TTT coulda had an ending?!
by PencilNeckedGeek
Nov 11th, 2003
06:51:14 PM
Pencilneckedgeek
by Ye-Baar
Nov 11th, 2003
07:17:42 PM
elanor
by Where's Saruman?
Nov 11th, 2003
08:33:09 PM
Fair enough
by elanor
Nov 11th, 2003
09:21:32 PM
For devil0509, Fluffy,Number8 Aruman and Reno
by elanor
Nov 11th, 2003
10:00:47 PM
The Chocolate Martini
by RenoNevada2000
Nov 11th, 2003
11:57:31 PM
Yum! Thanks Reno
by elanor
Nov 12th, 2003
12:00:33 AM
The name is Nevada, RenoNeveada
by Miami Mofo
Nov 12th, 2003
06:34:24 AM
I hate typos!
by Miami Mofo
Nov 12th, 2003
06:35:50 AM
the sadness of christopher lee
by kwisatzhaderach
Nov 12th, 2003
06:55:55 AM
Chris Lee IS pissed off
by PJ(the original)
Nov 12th, 2003
07:04:00 AM
How Do We Complain!??!?
by Mr Chuff
Nov 12th, 2003
07:11:33 AM
complain HERE
by mini_jojo
Nov 12th, 2003
07:23:56 AM
Chis Lee sounded as though New Line / PJ hasn't contacted him di
by PJ(the original)
Nov 12th, 2003
07:32:39 AM
for real
by juanrico
Nov 12th, 2003
10:36:44 AM
Sounds like a major screw up
by Dragonfire
Nov 12th, 2003
01:58:33 PM
trusting the director...
by juanrico
Nov 12th, 2003
03:10:37 PM
I feel terrible
by elanor
Nov 12th, 2003
10:10:49 PM
villains & heros
by BDT
Nov 12th, 2003
10:15:08 PM
"Good Riddance To Saruman's Departure By Impalement"
by ArumanBakshi
Nov 13th, 2003
03:30:32 AM
"What we have here is a failure to communicate."
by Miami Mofo
Nov 13th, 2003
03:53:51 AM
Worst Decision Ever
by SeverusD
Nov 13th, 2003
06:23:20 AM
To those who wish to complain about the absence of Saruman,
by Conan_the_Humble
Nov 13th, 2003
06:30:25 AM
release it as a preview/prologue/trailer??
by tom_s
Nov 13th, 2003
08:24:23 AM
retraction
by juanrico
Nov 13th, 2003
02:58:20 PM
Don't Worry, It's Cool That There'll Be No Scouring
by ILoveEwksAndJJar
Nov 13th, 2003
08:24:45 PM
WRONG ILoveEwksAndJarJar!!!
by Miami Mofo
Nov 13th, 2003
09:26:44 PM
DO WE STILL GET THE GREY HAVENS? (SPOILERS)
by Faloun
Nov 14th, 2003
05:03:40 AM
Fear not, Faloun
by Miami Mofo
Nov 14th, 2003
08:13:50 AM
I trust Peter Jackson!
by FuroTheRed
Nov 14th, 2003
02:36:35 PM
Scouring of Shire/Saruman
by Smeagol69
Nov 16th, 2003
10:10:45 PM
No Final Demise of Saruman?
by Thrawn18
Nov 17th, 2003
10:52:07 PM
Well...
by thepeacefulone
Nov 19th, 2003
06:02:16 AM
The Scouring of the Shire SHOULD be left out
by funkyjack
Nov 19th, 2003
06:18:29 AM
Completely don't understand..
by larry_nyc
Nov 20th, 2003
06:11:20 PM
...hmmm?
by BorisFishpaw
Nov 21st, 2003
03:38:48 PM
RETURN OF THE KING EDIT
by BULLDOGS
Nov 24th, 2003
02:14:13 PM
Saruman vs Gandalf lost -- Wit betrayed by violence
by MichAng
Nov 28th, 2003
01:38:53 PM
BAH!!!!
by Zero Alias
Dec 2nd, 2003
02:23:17 AM
There is Hope: the plot isn't destroyed...
by Burleson
Dec 5th, 2003
02:54:48 PM
Jackson you Fucked up
by larabear
Dec 12th, 2003
10:22:08 PM

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