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From the Star Wars Summit at The Presidio comes this report from The SF Fog!

Hey folks, Harry here.... fresh from Lucas' Presidio Star Wars Summit for all you soon to be fellow Clone Wars junkies... these damn commercials on Cartoon Network are killing me. That shot of Anikan pawing at the window as the fleet takes off as Padme watches... SO NICELY DONE... the framing of the shots feels more honestly old fashioned Star Wars than anything in the modern films, but that's because well... supergeeks are in control, thank god. Meanwhile, part of the masterplan roll out has been revealed as well as the first screened footage of Episode 3


I just came from the Star Wars summit at the Presidio in San Francisco.  It was Star Wars-licious!    

The attendees were subjected to Star Wars marketing statistics, product licensing and tie-in possibilities and PowerPoint presentations.  Yawn for most, but I'm a freak and love that sort of stuff.     

Some interesting things came to light.  The marketing timeline for Star Wars is as follows - This week, The Clone Wars, then the original Star Wars trilogy is being released September 2004, then Episode 3 teaser advertising begins in January of 2005, Episode 3 May 2005, Episode 3 DVD/VHS November 2005.  One little fun fact - seems that they have TWO Star Wars television ideas floating around the would be animation and the other - LIVE ACTION.  These television projects would be in 2006.  Let's hope they're better than the Star Wars Christmas Special, or those Ewok films.  

  But the REAL meat and potatoes was the Episode 3 footage!  Some cool as hell stuff.  Anakin is looking darker than ever.  Dark clothes, with what appears to be some scars on his face.  They showed one seen with Obi-Won, The Emperor and Anakin crashing their ship into a planet as the ship burns.     

They showed some animation of what will be OB1's transportation at one point in the film.  A large lizard that's able to walk upside down and scale walls.    

*minor spoilers*    

Oh - and they showed some green screen footage of the final lightsaber fight between Obi-Won and Anakin.  It looked colossal.  The lightsaber fight to end all lightsaber fights.  Evil wins, we all know that.  The intensity with which the two were fighting was phenomenal.  Seems the final battle takes place on a lava planet, and at one point the two are hoping back and forth on hovercrafts floating over the lava.  

  That was all I saw, and it got me moist as a snack cake down there.  They also showed a "behind the scenes didn't we have a blast filming Episode 3" documentary    

At the end they had an extremely funny theatrical production - The Star Wars Trilogy in 30 minutes.  I think it played at Comic Con too.  Patrick Gorman, the author,  has basically done a reduced Shakespeare version of Eps IV- VI.  Funny stuff, and a great way to end the presentation portion of the show.    

We were then escorted by storm troopers to Jabba's Palace for a reception.  Drinks and networking with Darth Vader, Chewbacca and eventually Lucas himself.  He did a cameo and a lap, apparently he was having some editing problems...probably putting more new stuff in the "original" trilogies.  

If you publish this, you can call me THE SF FOG

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  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:18 p.m. CST

    get it over with

    by neckbone

    can we please finish this obligatory turd of a series finale off and be done with it??

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:18 p.m. CST


    by neckbone

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:21 p.m. CST


    by JeanPissSkull

    FristFRISTFRIST Eat shit and die Star wars homos. LOTR rules your whny asses.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by Mr Ted

    My first post is the "First Post"

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:28 p.m. CST

    At least Lucas remembered it should be lava

    by MiserableRainGod

    since he's forgotten so, so much.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Who today cares about any product that comes out of Lucas' bung

    by Rolling_Stone

    Perhaps someday a director with talent will re-shoot scenes and remove the worst of the Lucas crap and replace it with something true to Star Wars, and then the credits can read "Directed by George Lucas AND someone with talent".

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Oh boy...

    by HungryJoe we go with all of the SW bashing. You cynical folk make me wretch. Can't we, for once, have a SW talkback that involves intelligent conversation by people who actually like the series? As a fan of movies, and therefore a regular visitor to this site, there's nothing more fun than having great conversations about those movies - not reading post after post of undeveloped thoughts that simply bash them. Now, on that note (and on my highest of horses) I head to

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:33 p.m. CST

    i'm looking forward to september 2004. but what's going on in 2

    by microwavable?

    those DVDs will be fun for about a night or two. then everybody will realize that they've seen the movies a million times already and watching them on DVD is no big treat. interest will die quickly. then in early 2005 it will build again, but inevitably the movie won't live up to the expectations that fans will require from it (remember, this one movie has to completely redeem the last TWO). the box office will be good, but less than part II. and the world will move on.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Sounds rubbish

    by Leopardghost

    Like the rest of the prequels. Oh boy... a lightsaber fight and lizards that walk on walls. What a fucking waste of time.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:34 p.m. CST

    "Original Trilogy September 2004" My ass.

    by mortsleam

    Unless, of course, Lucas personally announced that Greedo shooting first/Luke's pussy looped wail/extended musical interlude at Jabba's palace were all bad ideas and he's actually releasing the ACTUAL original trilogy. Otherwise, as stated above, Original Trilogy my ass.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Could it get any worse...

    by Yossarian

    I don't want any hopping in the final duel. No hopping. Hopping is ghay.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:38 p.m. CST

    This will not be getting my 16 bucks.

    by Yossarian

    I'll catch this on video. Which is where it should probably go straight to.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:41 p.m. CST

    What's That Green Thing With Leafs Called? Oh Yeah, a Plant

    by hipcheck13

    Dare I say it? Besides, even if this grammatically challenged shlub ISN'T a plant, Lucas has destroyed this franchise beyond repair. He's the Ulysses S. Grant of movies - "aw, fuck it, just burn the WHOLE motherfuckin' thing down." I hope hell has a special chair for "double-chinned but wearing a beard so I don't LOOK like I have a double-chin" dickheads like him.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:43 p.m. CST

    That's it Mr smelly Skull

    by Conan_the_Humble

    give the SW freaks they're "just desserts," GL's time has past, the sooner everyone else realises this the better. Whatever he does is gonna be rubbish, I know this is closeminded, but it's true nonetheless... Cheers.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Jesus Harry

    by Highlighter

    Harry's backtracking continues. "the framing of the shots feels more honestly old fashioned Star Wars than anything in the modern films, but that's because well... supergeeks are in control, thank god." What a dick. You know what "old fashion Star Wars" was, Harry? That Holiday Special Boba Fett cartoon. This site has become nothing but a refuge for geek chic posers.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:48 p.m. CST

    i sense much anger in you highlighter

    by microwavable?

    anger leads to hate. hate leads to suffering!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:49 p.m. CST

    by sicboy041

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me....

    by Boris the Blade

    Screw me thrice, Episode 3.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:54 p.m. CST

    HungryJoe, we bash because we love....

    by Boris the Blade

    How can any self-respecting SW fan NOT bash the dreck of EP 1 & 2? And now the fans of the original trilogy can't even have THAT! As far as I'm concerned, Lucus gave us all the big FU long before we did to him....

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Matrix v. SW

    by sicboy041

    Look at it this way, the Wachowski's did what it took George Lucas to do in 26 years in only 4. Run a successful movie franchise into the ground based on the principal of 'Faster! More Intense!' Face it kiddies, special effects, cutesy aliens, the ability to walk on walls do not a good film or series of films make. Directors (and producers) need to wake up these days and realize that it should always be about plot, characterization, and acting first and foremost. And quit it with all the god damn blue/green screen nonsense, its obvious that actors are having a hard time pulling it together in front of imaginary settings.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3 p.m. CST

    Do you see what I was saying Pontsing,

    by Conan_the_Humble

    the Hobbit lass has a certain way with the words, that commands respect. She apparently has a source that provides her with early opportunity to peruse LOTR movie goodness too, damn her (quite probably lovely,) eyes!!! (Please disregard that Elanor, you know you have my undying respect and admiration... It was simply foul jealousy there, nothing more...)Anyhoo, that is enough flowery speech from this Security Officer, I bid y'all a good night. P.S. Should'nt we have a new LOTR tb soon? Surely there is enough news about?) Cheers.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:01 p.m. CST


    by sicboy041

    Even Liam Neeson recently admitted that Phantom Menace was silly. That's the star of the damn film coming out and saying that! What George should have done from day one is come up with the treatment and then hand it over to talented and established screen writers and director. And he handle all the technical crap, the scenery, locations, design etc. But I think we all know that. I'm tired of big ole fat peckerheads who can barely see the tips of their penises screw up movies or review them like they're citizen kane!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Shit, wrong post, sorry guys...

    by Conan_the_Humble

    please continue with your SW conversation. Father Geek, this last post was entirely unintentional. Cheers.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:03 p.m. CST

    I may get crucified for this...

    by godric

    but I actually loved those Ewok movies as a kid, especially the second one with Wilford Brimley as that old hermit. No, I'm not kidding. It was cool!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Yeah but...

    by sicboy041

    That was the edited version. In the unedited version, Wilford Brimley takes Quaker Oats oatmeal and smears it all over Wicket's hairy ass and then dives right in. "Quaker Oats Oatmeal... its the right thing to do, and a tasty way to do it"

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:08 p.m. CST


    by ZeusXerxes

    Ep. 3 might blow and it might be good...I'm just glad we have them. I like the option of having the prequels instead of not having the story at all and Lucas going to do American Graphiti 3, 4, and 5 instead. These movies, the clone wars series, and everything else is just icing on the trilogy if ya ask me. I guess some just think it's shit flavored icing.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:11 p.m. CST

    I think there was an honest mistake...

    by Spatially Toned

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:13 p.m. CST

    ...the submitter is The SF Fag, not Fog

    by Spatially Toned

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:14 p.m. CST


    by Highlighter

    My hate is easily justifiable. This site has become a haven for haters. And Harry is encouraging it. Moriarty and Obi-Swan's recent rant is a perfect example. All lies.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:17 p.m. CST

    For all the bashing...

    by TheDarkShape idiots sure are going to be there. First in line, probably. If you hated Episodes I and II so much, why go to III? Obviously, you think they're so horrible that you wish to *deny* further films for those who liked them, and yet you'll spend your $8, get your popcorn and soda, and watch the damn film same as everyone else. Hell, you'll probably join in with the applause at the end, too. But then you'll rush to this little message board and type, "OMG!!! It sucKd MAJOR ass!" If you don't like it, fine. If you need to give some meaning to your life by bashing it, fine. But IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU COOL, and it does not make you better than anyone else. In fact, it makes you utterly pathetic for going back for more.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Bill Maher is God

    by Highlighter

    Dude, you had me at "douchebag." The most accurate thing posted on this site in years.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:50 p.m. CST

    "In the last thirty seconds Lucas will have forgotten more about

    by RenoNevada2000

    Well, I happen to know that I'm a pretty literate guy, so if Lucas is losing that amount of knowledge every half minute I'm surprised he's aloud outside without a helmet. You know what, I didn't really Episode 1 and 2, I thoughtthey had some serious storytelling problems. Sure they were pretty to look at, but technical whizz bang should never be the be all and end all of a film. And yes, I'll be there opening showing for Episode III. Why? Because I still enjoy the Original Trilogy, Special Edition tinkering be damned. Every movie I go to I hope is good. I hated Matrix Reloaded but throughly enjoyed Matrix Revolutions, despite sopme of its minor flaws. (Some of the dialog was awful stilted.) And by the way, whomever said that New Trilogy bashers are just spreading lies, I suggest you relax for a moment and look up the definitions of a lie, a fact and an opinion and try to figure out the difference.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:10 p.m. CST

    lies, facts and opinions

    by Highlighter

    Okay, how's this? Last Friday, Moriarty and Obi-Swan lied because the facts didn't match their opinions about the ANH special edition screening in L.A.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Yes, but WHAT Original Trilogy?

    by Cash Bailey


  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Harry, what the hell?!

    by CaptainHendry

    This guy has the biggest Star Wars scoop of the year and he botches it! Star Wars original trilogy on DVD. Which original trilogy? I mean really. Hasn't everyone been signing petitions and everthing else about this issue. So which is it. I mean, the Special Edition is the original trilogy, right? It's not the new trilogy. It's the original trilogy. WHICH VERSION?! According to Lucas a few years ago, the SE IS the original trilogy. So again - WHICH VERSION?! HARRY, WHAT'S THE DEAL?!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Kurosawa considers Lucas the best ever?

    by Boris the Blade

    Yeah, whatever....ignoramus.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Making the best Star Wars ever

    by Madmorrison

    I'm not sure if this is even possible. Or if it has ever been mentioned before. But how comes Lucas can't have his trilogy AND we have ours. And no, I don't mean like what Spielberg did with ET; releasing the old and the new as separate movies. I want to know why they can't do a dvd that allows you to mix and match. There are parts of the old versions that are far superior. Han shooting first anyone? But parts of the revised trilogy were decent in my opinion. I kinda liked the CG Mos Eisly. What I'd like to see is a dvd that basically let's you pic from both versions to mix and match to make 'your' version of the trilogy. It'd sure beat this attitude of 'Here's the movie I really meant to make, so buy it'.Lucas gets his cut out there and we get ours. And those like me who can get something from both can enjoy it. The way I see it the potential of the dvd format is being wasted. And with Star Wars and Lucas you'd think they could come up with something that blows our minds and makes everyone happy. Maybe it's just a crazy thought. But one that I'd really like to see.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:18 p.m. CST


    by RenoNevada2000

    Did you even read last Friday's report? The original report from "darklighter" on the screening stated that there were some changes made to A NEW HOPE since it was released on VHS. Mori contacted Obi-Swan who refuted the report saying that things like the clouds in front of the sunset had always been there (Even pre-SE, cuz I just watched it again last weekend) and any slight color variances were due to the individual print's color timing being tweaked. How is seeing out corraberation (I know I just butchered that spelling) of a story and getting a different story lying? Or is it just sour grapes because you are "darklighter" himself and you're embarrassed that you goofed up so bad?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:24 p.m. CST

    A Question for all those who consider themselves SW fans...

    by The Hillbrothers

    Is there absolutely no one out there, who, like me, found Episode I to be disappointing but who finds Episode II to be a fantastic SW film, despite its flaws? Is there no one at all who doesn't lump these 2 movies together as equal failures? My main problem with haters of AOTC is the Anakin bashing. Think of me what you will, but after watching AOTC again and again and again, almost every aspect of the movie has grown on me, including Hayden Christensen's performance, which I defend by noting that the character is not a brooding Dark Lord-- not yet. He's a nervous teenager with a self-destructive obssession with a girl and some Mother-issues who will become a brooding Dark Lord some three years down the line, after suffering the physical and emotional scars of a galactic war, burdened the whole time with the self-perceived guilt of his mother's death. So give him a break. I dig the high, raspy voice and the impetuous qualities he displays because of the stark contrast between what he is and what he is to become. And the dialogue in the movie is not bad, either, at least when compared to the dialogue in the Old Trilogy, which was campy in many scenes. Really, the only scene for me that's silly in Episode II is the scene where Dooku is overheard by Obi-Wan conspiring with his cronies, because those are admittedly some weakly portrayed villains. Oh yeah, and Yoda's fight scene is actually pretty poorly coreographed-- I prefer the Anakin-Dooku duel. It's short but stylish. OK, but back to the point: who can admit to liking Episode II without condoning Episode I? Speak for yourself, please, and not for everyone. I find I've always got to speak up for Star Wars in these talkbacks because there is so much hating that I want those who are still not afraid to champion Star Wars to know they are not alone. If you already hate Episode III, you will only be looking for negative aspects of the film when you see it. Your prejudice will prevent you from enjoying it, as it prevented many from enjoying Episode II. When I was in high school, in the late 80's/ early 90's, it was most definitely NOT cool to like Star Wars. And that's the way it is again. But I still love it. I may not care for The Phantom Menace, but that's because it was all set-up and introduction. I never felt like the characters had much to fight for (for example, there was no genocide on Naboo, just an unresisted occupation) and I never felt like any of them were in any danger, except for Qui-Gon Jinn, whose death you could see coming a mile away. Episode II is all plot. It jumps into plot mechanics faster than any other Star Wars movie, and accomplishes a hell of alot in 2 hours. I feel like the motivations of the characters are clearer, and just as importantly, that there is a tension there (especially between Obi-Wan and Anakin) which was sorely missing in Episode I. But why am I ranting again? This will fall mainly on deaf ears. Just remember, you've got to be really proud of hating something in order to waste your time posting about it, but then again, as much as I love Star Wars, I like to talk about it here rather than places like, because there they seem blindly uncritical of the films. I admire discussions like Moriarty's Star Wars round tables because they celebrate the brilliance of the movies as well as examining their weaknesses. Anyway, there's another 2 cents from me.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Early review for Ep. 3, only two words:

    by Spike Fett

    "Shit sandwich."

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Is it me or is the only good thing left in Starwars worth watchi

    by iamarayya

    In the last two most the space fights seem kinda average, the story line was not inspireing. The chicks were not that hot. Well we got nipple from portman but was she that hot to carry a movie? Now the CGI was good but added nothing but "look at how good we are at texturing and rendering :)" Where is the soul of the series, where is the innovation or the wonder?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 6:45 p.m. CST

    The prequels rock!

    by Wormie

    Anyone who calls themselves a Star Wars fan but doesn't like the prequels is not a true fan - FACT! Yeah, yeah, I can see why some people hate Jar Jar, but the characters, storyline, effects, action, etc. are awesome. Some morons don't seem to realise that the prequels are adding much more depth and resonance to the original trilogy. You'd think Lucas had come up with something akin to Batman & Robin, Alien Resurrection or T3 to hear some fuckers talk.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 6:50 p.m. CST

    ok children, understand this...

    by MisterGrimloch

    each and EVERY one of you worthless, frightened, alone and bedwetting little nerd fucks will rush out the very day that this DVD set is released and buy it. period. you know it, and i know it. so does Lucasfilm, and so do all the retailers. one, and ONLY one series of films ranks as the single most popular ever seen on the planet Earth, and guess what ain't Lord of the Rings. in fact, Lord of the Rings isn't even second. the Indiana Jones trilogy was the second most requested item for unreleased dvd titles, and it sold more than any previously released dvd box set in history. that will change, but it will not be with any of the unnecessary "extended editions" for the Jackson debacle. blurt out your bullshit all you want, kids, but we all know that the release of the Star Wars trilogy next year on dvd will utterly dwarf (pun intended) any LOTR release. and yes, ALL of you valueless little turds will race out and purchase your copy (using mommy's money, of course) and watch it over and over, stopping occasionally to come onto sites such as this to declare how "stupid" the Star Wars films are, and how LOTR is far superior. uh huh. and then, in May of 2005, you will ALL line up at midnight on the 24th, in eager anticipation of the finale of the REAL trilogy, got that? pretend all you want about how great it will be on "12/17/03", and you might actually believe it a little. but when reality sets in you will know that the franchise with which the bar is set is NOT LOTR, its SW. as i said in another talkback, most LOTR "fans" do not, in fact, think that highly about the LOTR films. they merely pretend to do so, because it is currently trendy to do so. but the mess left behind by TTT is not being forgotten, and the enthusiasm for ROTK is noticably forced. face it kids, SW has two generations of filmgoers ready to devour the final offering. ROTK is merely Oscar bait, so please, just shut the fuck up, and go back to your collective water dishes like the good little nerds you always were.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 7:03 p.m. CST

    English people suck

    by UKpeoplesuck

    Why don't you miserable pukes go get lives instead of bitching and moaning 24/7? What is with you? If you're not miserable Brits, you're miserable Canucks, or Aussies. It's just so boring to read all of you saying how ruined the PT is but you still hanging around. Losers. If it'sthat bad, why bother? I mean really. I registered just to tell you guys (that have never had a real GF) that you suck major ass.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 8:04 p.m. CST

    This msg will self help in 5 seconds

    by Macauley_Sulkin

    If you think the prequels have soiled the star wars universe you should play some of the star wars games lucasarts have had the nerve to charge 40 quid for over the years....

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 8:13 p.m. CST

    More and more, movies are imitating video games: now a lava leve

    by FrankDrebin

    In the VG biz, they're considered a cliche. The one exception is in the very excellent NO ONE LIVES FOREVER 2, where a couple of henchmen in the lava lair mention that using real lava was too much trouble (you probably need all kinds of permits), so they're just using superheated orange juice.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 8:37 p.m. CST

    by Krycek1013

    This whole thing is really sickening. I'm not exactly on anyone's side here, but I do agree with some points made for and against the prequels. I myself do not like the PT. I hated Clones more than Menace actually. I also do not like the Special Editions. Now, am I one of those who is going to rush out and buy the DVD's if they are the SE only ones and rush out and see Ep. III in the theater? The answer to both is no. I own TPM on DVD, but I skipped AOTC, so I can live without SE only DVD's. I also have the Star Wars Definitive Collection which I can convert to DVD if Lucas doesn't release the Original versions. I also will not rush out to see Ep. III, unless Lucas either releases the Original versions of the Original Trilogy on DVD or at least makes an announcement that he will do so by the time Ep. III comes out. Since I didn't care for I or II, I see no need to see III in the theater. I had to see Ep. IV at the drive-in back in 1977, so I haven't seen all of them theatrically anyway. I will wait for Episode III to come on home video and maybe rent it, but that's about it. I also do not subscribe to people's amateur psychology saying that I have such fond memories of the OT and overlook all of its faults because I saw the OT when I was a kid. The same ones give me the same reason about why I hate the PT. That isn't true at all. No movie I have ever seen has been perfect. However, the flaws are part of the films. I can live with that. I love LOTR. Those films make me feel the way the OT did back when I saw it. I'm in my 30's, so this child viewing theory does not hold water. If LOTR is remade in 20 years by someone else and I do not like it, are these same psuedo psychologists going to say, "You only like the Jackson LOTR movies because you were in your 30's when you saw them." The last thing that I want to say on this portion of my post is that I believe in film preservation. I like films to be released how they were in the theater. I do not mind director's exercising their artistic licenses and making revisions to films as long as they make the original versions available as well. That's all I really ask. I do not like films dubbed into other languages or black and white films being colorized either. That is one of the big reasons I have trouble with the SE's. So far, Lucas has not given us a choice in owning the Original Versions on a digital long lasting format like DVD. It is either buy the SE's or nothing. Maybe that will change. I also do not care about this Clones cartoon. Crap is what it is. I'm not really on anyone's side. I find Harry to be overzealous sometimes, but he does get some good information. I'm disappointed in the fans of the Original versions and fans of LOTR because of all of the profanity and name calling in their posts. The same goes for some of the fans of the PT and SE's. Do I use profanity? ^*&@%@ yeah. I sometimes use it in private conversation, but not on public forums and such. As for LOTR, I am enjoying so far much more than the PT. Hopefully, ROTK will be just as good. I do not think I like LOTR better than the Original versions of the Star Wars OT, but it beats the crap out of the Star Wars PT IMHO. In fact, I like Matrix, Harry Potter, and X-Men better than the PT so far. I haven't seen Matrix Revolutions yet though. I have hope Lucas will come through on the DVD's of the Star Wars OT. I found the news to be vague on the versions included on the DVD's, but at least we now have a date (September 2004). Lucas is a funny guy. He cahnges his mind quite a bit. Here are two big items I have heard from interviews and things in the past. 1.) Saying in an interview that he was going to do nine films, and later denying it. There is an unconfirmed rumor that he may yet do the final three films, but that may have been put to rest by the meeting yesterday. 2.) No Star Wars films on DVD until all six films were completerd. Said it wouldn't be until 2006. Well, TPM came out in 2001 and AOTC in 2002. He gave an excuse that he had plenty of current behind the scenes footage for the PT films, so it seemed natural to put those out when he did. He also stated that he wanted to collect a lot of archival behind the scenes and other material for the OT, so they still would not come out until 2006. Look how that is turning out. My hope may be a fool's hope, but at least I have a backup plan with the LD's. Krycek

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Star Wars

    by AlwaysThere

    is still the best franchise of them all. Sorry, Peter Jackson and New Line.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Bill Maher and MisterGrimloch, I salute you. 5 star tirades. Lu

    by Commando Cody

    You know, I was going to add my 2 cents about the sexually frustrated people around AICN these days who can only get their nuts off by negatively pouncing on anything STAR WARS or Lucas related...but Bill Maher and Mister Grimloch pretty much nailed everything in their beautifully worded posts. And they're right on everything across the board. You whining bitches who can only DREAM of having the filmmaking talent that Lucas possesses in a single toenail clipping should keep your pitiful envy to yourselves and simply learn some manners about when it's time to shut the hell up. Or maybe you could actually get off your lazy, fat asses, go take a shower for once, leave your parent's basement, meet a girl, and then actually go out into the world and try to actually MAKE a movie to put your money where your mouth is. You know, to share with the rest of the world your esteemed knowledge of filmmaking and to show everyone how things "should" be done, instead of being a whining armchair quarterback. And Grimloch is right about one other thing: those of you who actually think LOTR is "the" trilogy of the movie ages now over SW are seriously on some fucked-up drugs. And you need to have some shock therapy treatments because CLEARLY your brain synapses aren't firing enough wattage. So have your doctor up the voltage.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Real mature, you moron...

    by Boris the Blade

    Being a "big fan" is a helluva lot different than "one of the best ever", you 'tard. But I should have known you were a dumbass, given the list of filmmakers you credit. And I never said Lucas sucks, but you seem to want to bend over and take whatever he gives you, so why don't you go do that, and stop flaming those who refuse to worship at the Skywalker altar. I bet you liked Godfather 3 also...putz.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 9:43 p.m. CST

    "Can't we, for once, have a SW talkback that involves intelligen

    by minderbinder

    Fuck no!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Hey dumbass!!

    by colossus1972

    Kurosawa died in 1998. Episode 1 was released in 1999. I would have thought he was a great director also if I didn't see his last two pieces of shit you regard as movies. How can you even put Kurosawa and LucASS in the same class of director. It's time to dust off your Blockbuster card and see some real movies for once. Don't just stop at the Sci-Fi section. Check out the drama section. You might even find Episode 1 and Attack of the Clones in the Comedy section. I put them where they belong.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 9:45 p.m. CST

    And what's with the "but at least SW still kicks ___'s ass!" pos

    by minderbinder

    C'mon. You know Lucas is sitting watching the Other Trilogies taking notes. (if you guessed Spy Kids, you're partly right) Or at least you're praying to God he is.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:16 p.m. CST

    can we all just get real here

    by wedge1174

    When the OT first came out I am sure most of us were in the 7-13 range. These were cutting edge films. I have figured out why most of the people hate these films. Because they do not think the same as when the were 7-13 and also YOU KNOW THE ENDING OF THE SERIES. Come on I enjoyed EP1 when it came out because i went to the theater expecting a movie made for a PG rated audience. I wanted to see how this kid would become one of the most known movie villian of all time. In the world of lit. this is great storytelling. You start off and get to know the characters. Then a bunch of shit happens to them and then it gets resolved. You want to say how the story is all messed up and doesn't follow the OT. You need to remeber somthing. The OT happens a later time. Obi-Wan is old probably got some of the alzheimers. He cant remember everything for christs sake. Watch the movies but watch them in a way that takes you back to when you first saw the big sprawling space saga about a boy a girl and a galaxy and you will find peace with yourself. Oh and I am a fanboy. The closing theme to my wedding was the Throne Room from Ep 4.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:29 p.m. CST

    "they do not think the same as when the were 7-13"

    by minderbinder

    So if that's the case, what's with all the 25 year olds (and up) that loved the OT and hate the new ones at 50? Even most kids I know admit that the new ones are pretty lame compared to the old ones.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:33 p.m. CST

    I love SW and always will.

    by JarJarIsVader

    Yeah Ep. 1 sucked and Ep2 I like excepted for the CHEESE that spewed out of the screen when it came to the "love" story. I have all the movies on DVD or VHS. But I have only watched SW 4-6 over and over. Ep. 1-2 have been watched only twice on VD then I just got sick of it. Ep. 3 will be like that. I'll love it in the theaters, I'll buy the DVD, watch it twice then it'll collect dust until I give it to my kids in my will.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Oh just shut the fuck up the lot of you!

    by TheGinger Twit

    Lucas gave us star wars, Indianna jones, Willow, ILM, Morphing technology, Jurrasic park Dinosaurs, Hi Definition and digital editing. He also gave us the pod race and that fantastic courasant chase and incredible clone army battle at the end of episode 2. Now, all of you. Fuck off!!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Kurosawa and Lucas

    by Roger Thornhill

    To the talkbacker who expressed skepticism at the notion of Kurosawa admiring Lucas, you are wrong my friend. Kurosawa told an interviewer that he loved Star Wars and thought Lucas did an extraordinary job. So yes Kurosawa did admire Lucas.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:03 p.m. CST

    wow, looks like nobody is allowed to criticise lucas

    by Captain Katanga

    BILL MAHER, i'm amazed how you and others can be so full of bile and hatred towards anyone who doesnt like the new star wars films, or feels that lucas has made bad choices in recent years. I LOVE Lucas for the great films and characters he's given us, and whilst i dont claim to be able to make movies like him, i'm still hugely disappointed by the majority of his creative decisions in recent years. Lucas, like all artists eventually, is on a downward spiral. The new films have NONE of the magic. No matter you what you people say, there is a world of difference between the quality of the dialogue, acting and storylines in the originals and the new ones. I'm amazed that someone as articulate as you can sit through either TPM or AOTC without sinking into his chair with embarrassment and disappointment. I wonder if kurasawa would have liked howard the duck.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:08 p.m. CST

    New Rule: Bill Maher overused the "nuts on your chin" line

    by CaptainBlackbeer

    Nuts on Your Chin is actually a very high class, sophisticated song by the upscale music artist, Easy E, of the group N.W.A. ("Niggas" With Attitude) The blatant disregard to the musical integrity that went into that piece is disturbing. "Nuts On Your Chin" delves into many of society's key issues, such as "fucking the po-lice", why one doesn't want to get with a "bitch" unless she can "rub one's balls like a gypsy", and it also features one of the most epic and thought inspiring lyrics ever, "Nuts to your nose to your lips to your chin". Pure genius. By the way, who gives a fuck about Star Wars? The new ones suck rhinocerous cock ... and your point is? Whats there to bitch about? Lucas doesn't give a rat's hairy ass what some hopeless nerd thinks. What would satisfy you people? Maybe if Jesus Christ Himself came out at the climax with a big white lightsaber and whooped everyone's ass, you would be happy. .... Nah, you'd just come back on this site and bitch about how religious themes fuck up a movie. Fuck off.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:14 p.m. CST

    More love fore Episode II, re: the "love" story

    by The Hillbrothers

    You can hang me when you find me, but I like the "love" story in Episode II. Except I don't see it as a romance, not like Han & Leia's romance, wherein they were attracted to each other's strengths of character despite their first reactions to each other. I see the AOTC "romance" as a seduction. She is attracted to him physically, attracted to his power. She is moved by his idealization of her, and feels sorry for his torment over his mother. The death of his mother is the clincher-- she is able to resist him until he breaks down. He thinks he needs her, irrationally, perhaps as a replacement mother-figure. It's part of the tragedy of their story arc that she makes the ultimate bad choice in a man, and it should be seen as a counterpoint to the healthier love affair between Han and Leia later on. And (prepare the noose) I like the dialogue scenes between Anakin and Padme. I didn't at first, but besides some slightly awkward delivery in the meadow picnic scene, I find that every word they say to each other is carefully calculated (as written) to reveal their motivations and thoughts. I think the fireplace sequence is darkly beautiful in its performance, although I can see how I would have found it awkward had I seen it 10 years ago. I'm 29 now and I'm getting to be on the mushy side, I guess, because I find depth there that others laugh or scoff at. Go figure.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Bill Maher

    by zenith1226

    I hate the Bill Maher show, but if this is the real Bill Maher I have a new respect for him!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Episode Deux

    by FlyingGuillotine

    I didn't hate Episode II nearly so much as the first. I thought Episode I had some nifty moments (how can you argue with the Darth Maul duel at the end?) But Episode II was, overall, an entertaining film. Yeah, I cringed at the love story dialogue... the fireplace scene? Eesh. But there was so much other goodness going on I forgave the rough patches. Dug the hell out of the fight with Jango in the rain, dug even more the ending battle. Aliens blowing each other up A LOT... what more do you need to make the popcorn go down on a hot summer afternoon?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:41 p.m. CST

    The Only Part I Really Hate About Episode II

    by FlyingGuillotine

    When Anakin walks into the bar, looking for the assassin. In New Hope, the cantina had this great Old West saloon feel, but was definitely in a galaxy far, far away. The dance club in Episode II looked just like any given club in LA, except with some neon and a sprinkling of aliens. But it's in space... so if you squint really hard it's a SPACE CLUB. Pulled me right out of the movie.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:50 p.m. CST

    George Lucas wrote the story for Apocalypse Now?

    by JustinSane

    Now you're getting silly, Maher.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 12:19 a.m. CST


    by jasyn

    bill mahers right. at least partly. george lucas may not be have a writing credit for apocalypse now but he definitely had something to do with the finalized script. if you dont believe me go check harrison fords name in the movie.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 12:30 a.m. CST

    I disagree! The Wachowskis have made 2 good movies. . .

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    They're called The Matrix and Bound. Other than that. . . Actually, haven't seen Revolutions yet.

  • I have read pretty much everything that has to do with Lucas, Coppola, Spielberg, DePalma, Bob Evans, Hal Ashby, Nicholson, Peter Bart, Rafaelson, Marcia Lucas, Scorsese, Deniro, Brando, etc. Pretty much everyone out of the 60's/70's... but both of those 'facts' escaped me. Lucas DID want to direct a very rough, documentary-like film on the Vietnam war and I believe he and Coppola came up with a title, Apocalpyse Now, very early on, but it was Coppola's idea and Milius's script that used Heart of Darkness as the model for the story. Brando improvised and/or wrote nearly 90 percent of his dialogue. The script was constantly being rewritten on the set and was in the filming stage for nearly two years. During that time, it was constantly being tinkered with while Lucas was working on Star Wars/Empire at Elstree in England... some distance away from the Phillipines where Apocalypse was being shot. Lucas himself said the film was NOTHING like what he would have shot. And the Godfather? I have NEVER heard of such a thing... you'd think it'd be mentioned SOMEWHERE. Lucas was barely Coppola's assistant when they were filming. He wasn't even on the set. At least that's what I've read. Could you point to me anywhere that it claims differently? I've posted it before and I'll post it again... why do people from Europe, the U.K. especially, DEFEND LUCAS AND EVEN THE MATRIX FILMS TO A FAULT? They sound ridiculous and they end every damn post with 'RIGHT BUNCH OF PICKY AMERICAN ARSEHOLES' or 'GO GET ARSED' or this gem 'RIGHT BUNCH OF IDIOTS... YOU'RE ALL CRAZY... THE WHOLE LOT OF YA' This is a real problem in the TB's sometimes. I think it is extremely awful to hate every movie that comes out, like many visitors to this site do... but it is just as awful to defend total shit when you know it's shit. I mean... you have to at least ACKNOWLEDGE that the prequels leave something to be desired when compared to the OT. And just because Lucas was once great doesn't mean we should forgive him now and embrace his new work. Why does that earn him a pass? Should we just not differentiate between crap and a good film because Lucas made great movies over 20 years ago? I don't agree with that... not one bit. I think once we do that, we're effectively ASKING to see poorly written garbage with wooden acting. And I'd like to see more than that. If that makes me a 'RIGHT BASTARD' or you think I should 'GO GET ARSED' then so be it.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 1:43 a.m. CST

    sf fag?

    by ReDWasK

    what are you retarded? the guy submits news and you call him gay? lol, good job...pedophile

  • can't wait. By the way, Harry thought AOTC was better than Empire Strikes back.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Han Ol' Buddy is correct

    by AlwaysThere

    'Bound' and The 'Matrix' are their best movies

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Might as well be honest...

    by RobinP

    ...and admit that I'm in !! I'll be the first in line to buy the trilogy on dvd next September, I'll be the first in line to see Ep 3, and I'll be first in line to buy Ep 3 on dvd. I see that I'm at work when the animated Clone Wars is being show, but should they release THAT on dvd, I'll probably be first in line to buy that too !In other words, I'm just like everybody else on the talkback, except that I admit it.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 3:28 a.m. CST

    my two bits

    by SYCOone4

    ill put it this way: lucas has given more than most and should be the end its his story to tell. if everyone got what they wanted out of the new trilogy each one would be 16 hours long and have more twists than your daddys nutz after your momma got done with them.sure if you wrote it or i wrote it or they wrote it it might be better. but we didnt write it. GL wrote no matter what anyone ever says....its gonna be what its gonna be

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 4:16 a.m. CST

    are you an Anikan or an Anikan

    by CuervoJones


  • Nov. 7, 2003, 4:16 a.m. CST

    One Thing's For Sure...

    by Furious77George

    None of you who've posted have had sex lately, but I just did... And for those of you already raising your hand, yes it was with a girl, she was hot, and she was probably too good for you. My point? You all need some "me time" to go evaluate your lives and... For most of you... Find the lives you've apparantly lost.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 4:24 a.m. CST

    why do you call your left hand a hot girl ??

    by SYCOone4

    yea i go straight to the computer and brag about it to the screen when im done also ....loser!

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Good news!

    by Bcphil

    All right! Captain First is a big Star Wars fan and this movie will be extra cool with a little kick arse thrown in for good measure. I don't think I can wait till 2005.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Moist as a snack cake down there? I'll have to remember that on

    by Lezbo Milk

    It fucking histerical. Oh, and the third time sounds like a charm.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Hold the phone

    by Bcphil

    Now why is everyone so mean to George Lucas? He is arguably the best director of the last century, and most likely this one. He goes out of his way to treat the fans to new things, and his movies are the best. Star Wars is so superior to Lord of the Rings or The Matrix, even though I like them also. George Lucas is a genius, please realize this, it's the first step to being a real film fan. Can anyone give Captain First a reason that George receives such criticism?

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 7:21 a.m. CST


    by Captain Katanga

    I agree with everything you said until you came out with that crazy stuff about people who defend the prequels being from the UK and europe! I'm from the UK, i hated the new films. And Bill maher, excellent post, but i guess the reason people keep bitching about star wars films is because they mean a lot to them... they care a lot how the new ones turn out, whereas nobody really gives a shit whether pearl harbor is good or not. People blindly attacking lucas may be dumb, but all the assholes above who equate criticising lucas with having no girlfriend, wanting to butt fuck elves etc etc are worse. Bill Maher, putting aside for one moment all the great stuff lucas has done in the past, dont you think that these days he is showing appalling creative judgment?

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Interesting things about MisterGrimmloch,

    by raw_bean

    the more the hype builds for ROTK, the less he likes LOTR and the more he shouts that no-one REALLY likes it. Also, on another talkback, he was exclaiming how the massive box-office take of the LOTR films was meaningless, yet here, he trumpets how much more of the SW and Indy DVD's will be sold than LOTR. --- Personally, I love Star Wars, always have. Even the Prequels have a special place in my heart (although I only have TPM on video, bought as a present, and don't own AOTC at all, although I'm planning on getting it sometime), although they are somewhat lacking compared to the Originals. But at the end of the day, even though Star Wars was part of my childhood, I think the LOTR films are better. It helps that I love the book, but I think overall they are better films as well. Yes I will be excitedly and eagerly awaiting Ep III outside the cinema when it comes out, but ROTK has got me going to an almost 11 hour LOTR marathon, to which I'm looking forward to more than anything. The more MisterGrimmloch spits bile about how bad the LOTR films are, and how fans of the book like myself only 'pretend' to like the films, the more I chuckle at his frothy rantings. --- Sorry MG, just joking. :) Incidentally, since you never answered my question on the Matrix TB, do own/intend to buy any of the LOTR films on DVD or video?

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Some observations on Star Wars...

    by MacAodha79

    First time posting about Star Wars, but I

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Oh, and MG..

    by raw_bean

    Star Wars may have two generations of filmgoers anticipating (although you could argue that the prequels have alienated some previous die hard fans, not me personally but a couple of people I know would come under this heading), but LOTR has 50 years worth of fans eager, despite your ludicrous insistence that Tolkien fans 'pretend' to like the films. --- PS why would people do that, anyway? You yourself are living proof of the fact that human beings just love complaining and bitching, I for one would have kicked up a stink if I felt the LOTR films had let me down as a fan of the books, not pretended to like them!

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 7:49 a.m. CST


    by raw_bean

    Wow, I think you summed up the prequels perfectly there fella, I couldn't find a single point I disagreed with you on.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 8:38 a.m. CST

    LUCAS please RELEASE THE EP 2 Imax cut on DVD!

    by Jon E Cin

    It was so much better..they cut a lot of the cheese!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 8:50 a.m. CST

    reply to raw bean, and ebonic plague....

    by MisterGrimloch

    i did post in another talkback (i've forgotten which one) that i would, in fact, own all versions of LOTR on dvd. however, i would like to add that i have STILL not bothered to even put my two disc set of TTT in the player, after almost 3 months. i will, eventually, but there have been far too many superior titles that i wanted to delve into released in the past couple of months. as for your comments regarding the fans of Tolkien enjoying LOTR, i would wager that most of them are mildly satisfied with the Jackson films, but not "blown away" whatsoever. i honestly do not believe the LOTR films will resonate as greatly once the event is over. and yes, you are correct, neither box office nor dvd sales figures are relevant to the overall merit of a film, but popular reaction can certainly influence whether or not someone wishes to be involved in all the hype. ebonic, i personally will be ringing your phone and waking you up in 2007, to let you know Episode III is on HBO, and demanding that you get your lazy ass out of bed and watch it.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 8:52 a.m. CST

    NEW RULE: Maher can't make accusations of "ignorance" without lo

    by minderbinder

    Figure it out, numbnuts.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 8:55 a.m. CST

    and the real reason my tirades are borderline senseless...

    by MisterGrimloch

    is the fact that i thought FOTR was fuh-rickin' great, in both versions. and while i acknowledge the superiority of the extended cut, i simply have not watched it nearly as often as the theatrical version. the difference is something on the order of almost 20 viewings of the theatrical, and only 2 of the extended version. guys, there is only just so much time in a day. ebonic, raw, would you please vote in my Carrie Anne, Natalie, Liv survey? which one would you prefer to ejaculate all over?

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Please fix your HTML

    by Vision

    Please fix your HTML

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Darth Vader

    by R2-B2

    Is Darth Vader's weiner made of machine?

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 9:54 a.m. CST

    report did not specify format in Sept 2004

    by treadwell

    Everyone's assuming DVD, which could very well be the case, but he didn't say that. Could be a theatrical re-release, anything.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 9:55 a.m. CST

    "evil wins"? WTF?

    by ATARI

    This plant doesn't even know what they're talking about. Kenobi kicks Anakins ass in EP.III. Also, no details about the original triology DVD? Come on!

  • All I can say, MG, is that all the Tolkien fans *I* know (among my friends and family) have been *blown away* completely by the LOTR films, myself most definately included. LOTR has been my favourite book for many years, and now is also my favourite film series. Also, it doesn't take much surfing of to find this is the case for a very great many (although of course not all) book fans. --- I already joined in your survey MG, I said 'Liv Tyler, without a doubt.'

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 10:01 a.m. CST


    by raw_bean

    I wondered about that one too, who is this idiot?

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Liv and Natalie are now tied....

    by MisterGrimloch

    in the survey to end all surveys. as for Tolkien fans being blown away by the Jackson films, my reply for this post is going to be a completely ignorant "no, thats impossible." as for the possible DVD release of the original trilogy, exactly how many versions are we ultimately going to offered? 3? 4? what will be released next year, the 1997 SE's, or some modified version of those, with further technical "cleansings"?

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Evil Wins my ass!

    by Antiriad

    Absolutely, Obi Wan kicks Anakins punk ass! You cant change that! Then again, Greedo now shoots first :S

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Bill Maher - get your info straight

    by bandman

    --quote-- Lucas owns all you little bitches. Peter Jackson made a pilgrimage to The Ranch to get advice on making LOTR. Anyone who saw TTT and ROTJ can see the similarities in shooting style and editing. --end-quote- Hey Bill, you wanna go to IMDB, take a look at Return of the Jedi, and let me know who the director on that one was? It sure doesn't look like Lucas's name to me. Know why? That's because he was the PRODUCER. He PRODUCED it. Didn't direct it. Didn't set up every camera shot. Probably didn't even hand edit every scene. He paid for it, and gave it creative ideas. Lucas is not the deity you take him for. He's a great producer, and no one can deny that. As for directing, I think there is some room to improve.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 10:45 a.m. CST

    I have always stayed away from the whole....

    by Yossarian

    'which franchise is best' arguement because it is pointless. We are merely consumers, the very bottom of the food chain, but the basis of the existence of the entire ecosystem. We are consumers with the resources to consume all of the franchises. It wouldn't be pointless if I couldn't have all of the franchises; if I had to pick and choose only one, these tirades would be important. I would want my resources to go to the franchise I want to succeed. But that is not the way of things, so arguing over which is better and casting vitreole at other franchises is the most inane thing ever. It's like two bacteria battling to the death on the tip of a fork. It's like we're a bunch of dumb jocks with our guts hanging out from under our FootLocker polyester jerseys getting into fistfights over who's better, the Saints or the Redskins. Pointless.******That said, I would like to say that I haven't watched the OT since they were re-released in the theatre back in, what, 97? So, more than six years. I have the trilogy on VHS and ran it through with my wife who has never watched the SW movies. I know that I probably have a lingering childhood bias, but I tried to watch them with critical eyes. Overall, the plot was tight, the acting was very passable. There is definate cheese, but lines are delivered with conviction, and it makes a difference, no wink-wink nudge-nudge quality to it. The effects are secondary to the story. Overall, the OT stands up as far superior. I realize that I am being master of the fucking obvious, but watching these films in retrospect of the new movies just makes them look that much worse. It reminds of the whenever I see looney toons characters these days, they seem like characatures(sp?) of what someone thinks a looney tunes character should be, not actually the same characters I remember watching on Saturday morning cartoons. (And since we are vaugely on the topic of revisionist history. What is up with editing out the "violence" in the road-runner/coyote cartoons? That is just bizarre.) My wife's comment? "Oh, well I kinda see now why people like them, sorta." that's not verbatim, but you get the gist.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 11:10 a.m. CST

    One thing that bugged me hugely about AOTC...

    by raw_bean

    there I was, totally diggin' the Dooku/Yoda confrontation. Suddenly, Dooku bugs out, how? That old baddie trick, put some lives in danger and force the good guy to let him go in order to save them. So, one pillar falling towards Obi-wan and Anakin. Now, Yoda, wisest and cleverest little green guy around (even beats Kermit). Does he; a)Spend a stupid amount of effort trying to catch the pillar with the Force, thus allowing the bad guy time to escape, or, b)Spend a comparatively tiny amount of effort sliding the afforementioned Jedi a few feet out of the way of the pillar (Dooku showed just before that how easy it was to throw Anakin around), therefore not giving Dooku time to get away. Hands up who thought he should have done b)?

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 11:17 a.m. CST

    I just love generalizations.

    by mortsleam

    I loved the original trilogy. Star Wars (fuck episode numbers and "A New Hope") was the second movie I ever saw at a theatre. Empire disturbed my fragile pre-adolescent mind. I was the perfect age to enjoy Jedi, Ewoks and all. These movies ushered me into a new world of vision and imagination. Because of them, I grew up a lifelong lover of film. And along the way, even though I became a more discerning viewer, I'm still able to thrill at wondrous spectacle and enjoy movies aimed at all audiences. Still, I was thoroughly disappointed with Phantom Menace. Two interesting fight scenes in two hours of distracting pointlessness couldn't be anything but a disappointment. I saw it once at the theater, then once at a friend's house. I don't own the DVD. I was marginally more entertained by Clones, but only because I was dragged to the theater by said friend after a day of drinking at a Memorial Day Barbecue. A handful of truly thrilling action sequences that nearly win out over bad writing and acting and an entirely ludicrous and unconvincing love story. I watched it again on HBO. Once. I don't own the DVD. Unless I hear some INCREDIBLY POSITIVE REVIEWS by a CLEAR MAJORITY of RESPECTED DEPENDABLE CRITICS, I will not be seeing the third installment. And I will not be buying the DVD. If Lucas releases the Special Editions alone, I will not buy them. If he releases them with the original, "naked" theatrical releases, I will. I won't bitch and whine and clamor for an Originals-Only release. I wouldn't want that. Fact is, I enjoyed many of the improved FX, especially the airier, more atmospheric Cloud City. And I can program my five-DVD changer to skip back and forth, so that Luke and Obi-Wan visit a lively and bustling Mos Eisley, while Han SHOOTS FIRST. And even if Lucas does release the OT, I'll still be more consistently enthralled and entertained by a little set that's in my DVD player right now about the adventures of a certain geographically-named archeologist. Do I buck the trends? Am I the lone voice of dissent? Or are the tired screams of ever-more desperate, blindly loyal fanboys drowning out all rational debate? Incidentally, I love the LOTR movies like nothing since Star Wars, and I'm among the apparent few who have enjoyed all three Matrix movies, but I have to say I'd pick...FAMKE JANSENN from X-Men! Whoo-hoo! Yeah, baby! Jean Grey all the way! (Okay, maybe I'm an inveterate trend-bucker, but it

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Famke Jansen...

    by MisterGrimloch

    excellent choice, but unfortunately not one of the "official" selections. then again, neither was "Agent Smith". as for franchise wars, so be it, many of you are declaring a deliberate avoidance of EpIII. however, i would wager that the majority of those who piss and moan about the prequels, on a constant basis, will be lined up with the rest of us, at midnight, in 18 months. the people that never make mention of SW, or any other film series, are the ones that demonstrate true apathy.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 3:04 p.m. CST


    by Crill

    Interesting how the Star Wars fans who desperately, DESPERATELY need the prequels and George Lucas to be universally accepted as genius are calling the naysayers fat, celibate, immature losers. I don't care who goes to Lucas for advice on making a moneymaking franchise (he does excel at that), anyone who thinks SW is a shadow of what it used to be is really fooling themselves. It is the consumers' and talkbackers' right to recognize a bag of crap when they see it, tag it, and ESPECIALLY when we're going to be bombarded from all angles with horrifyingly distasteful marketing when this thing hits the screen. I'll always love the franchise for what it was, but LOTR gets my geek dollars from here on out. End of transmission from this "fat celibate douchebag."

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Star Wars TV projects?

    by The Gipper

    Guys, I think that we're missing some of the real news here. Star Wars TV projects set for 2006. A live action series. Could it be that we'll finally get "Rogue Squadron" with Mike Stackpole running the show? PLEASE!!!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 6:52 p.m. CST

    The Matrix Retarded

    by autonomousgerm

    Lucas will not be getting my money. Plain and simple. I did not care for the Phantom Menace, and The Clone Wars was a nightmare. It is truly one of the worst films ever made, right along side of "Hobgoblins". I am making the assumption that someone from the studios making these steamy loads is monitoring the press about them, and that includes these talkbacks. So now is my chance to tell you, Fox and Lucasfilm: I WILL NOT SEE THIS MOVIE IN THEATERS. Did you hear me Fox and Lucas? A long time ago I was a rabid Star Wars fan, but your poor choices in filmmaking have soured me completely. I just want you to know that. And for all you people posting the same opinion on here, you should do the same. Resist the temptation to see it in the theater. This will kick em where it counts, right in the beanbag. It is the same reason I refuse to see The Matrix Prostitutions in the theater. If everybody who dislikes these stupid movies wouldn't say "I know it sucks but I'll probably see it anyway" and just not see it, they wouldn't make these stupid movies. We get what we deserve.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 7:01 p.m. CST

    45 Dollars

    by autonomousgerm

    And I echo Crill. I WILL go to ROTK. I WILL go 4 or 5 times as I did the others. I bought the DVDs. That is in sharp contrast to the ONCE I saw the Star Wars and Matrix films, and the zero DVDs I bought of them, and the zero times I will see the 3rd installments of both. So money whores responsible for SW and Matrix, you each just lost $45.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 9:18 p.m. CST

    For the love of god...

    by Chuk-chuk Bo-Buk

    I personally LOVE the LOTR trilogy, Matrix Trilogy, and so far, all of the Star Wars movies (and can not wait for Episode 3). Each series is a set of great movies in their own unique ways. I would never say LOTR is better than Star Wars, or Star Wars is better than the Matrix, because you absolutely CANNOT compare movies of this caliber that are so different from each other. They are epic, and they trilogies. That is the only similarities that they all share. So PLEASE people, stop the damn mudslinging. Now, back on topic, and as I stated before, I love all of the Star Wars movies so far. I cannot imagine anything but greatness being released in May 2004. However if I had to pick a favorite trilogy, I would choose the Classic Trilogy. I have taken my boys to see the 2 Prequels so far, and they are about the same age as I was when the OT came out. Hey, surprise! They both like the Prequels more than the OT. I think age is a big factor in whether or not you like Star Wars, no matter which one you grew up with. Whoever said that most kids today prefer the old trilogy, well I'm sorry but I can not believe that. Let's say that the Prequel trilogy had been released in the 70's (as it is now, effects and all. I know, impossible, but let's just suppose) and we were now waiting for Episode 6 to come out. How many people would really be saying how awesome Episodes 4 and 5 were, after being exposed to Episodes 1-3 when they were kids? Well, I guarantee that people would still find something to gripe about, only this time instead of too much CGI they would be griping about not enough CGI. They would also be bitching that the "new" trilogy's dialogue just doesn't seem to be the same, there's this crazy guy "Han Solo" that just breaks all the rules that were set in stone by the first 3 movies. All would be bitching that they hate the fact that JarJar is no where to be found, the ewoks would be revered as the best thing to happen since JarJar in the "Classic" Episodes 1-3, the list could go on forever! My whole point is, it's what you grew up with. If you don't like the Prequels, fine. I don't like them quite AS much as the originals but my kids love them, and if/when the rumor of Episodes 7-9 bing made actually happens, it will be the same thing all over again, only I will be too old to care (I hope not) and most kids that will then be adults will be bitching about how the classic episodes 1-3 (classic to them)are waaay superior to the crap that is being put out now. I am hoping, and am probably naive to think that maybe possibly my kids at that age will have a more open mind than a lot of you, and actually see the new trilogy (IF it happens, I know it's unlikely)and see it as a great set of movies that tell an epic tale. They will probably not like it quite as much as Episodes 1-3, but they will still like it. And they will show episodes 4-6 to their kids to show them what Star Wars Grandpa used to watch when he was a kid. Oh, and by the way, I loved the Special Editions, I do agree that some of the CGI sucked but I have faith that they will be on par with the Prequels when they are FINALLY, once and for all, finished. It would be nice if they would release the Original, unscathed trilogy for archival and historic purposes, but personally, once that definitive trilogy comes out, I will only keep my Classic trilogy videos for collector's purposes. I doubt I will ever watch the original, non-definitive version ever again.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 9:22 p.m. CST

    I know.....

    by Chuk-chuk Bo-Buk

    ...I haven't seen Return of the King yet, my mistake. I already know I will love it though.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 10:17 p.m. CST

    raw bean :dooku/yoda fight

    by SYCOone4

    i saw it differently. when yoda puts his lightsaber away and focuses on obi-wan & anikin i saw the perfect opportunity for dooku to strike down yoda instead of running away like a lttle bitch. because yoda was focused on savins the young jedi and would not have been able to protect himself................. ps. that fight should have been at least 2 minutes longer DAMMIT

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Bill Maher

    by Pronk

    Bill, i must say you have a point. Dont hate the game. As much as i think GL is a goober, the man has more money that we all have combined. he did a great job with episode 2. all considering it made episeode 1 a compleatly diffrent movie. Compleatly redeaming the purpose of having Jar-Jar in the films at all. the guy is a fucking moron, and it was proven all though the first film. so what does GL do? he makes him the guy who gives the Emperor all his power. Brillant. Saved the charcter, and validated him. If you are a fan on the series how can you not like these movies? here's an idea, before bashing Ep. 3 see it! Ep 1 was made better by ep2, and ep 3 will improve not only ep 1 & 2 but 4,5&6. how? by making Vader a tragic hero. it compleatly changes the dynamics of 6 movies. its great. how many times do you see that happen. do i think GL is a great director? no. does he write bad dialog? Yes, look at the 1st trilogy for that. in fact the only charcter in 456 with decent dialog is Han Solo. But can Lucas tell a story? YES. Yes a thousand times. so here's an idea, have a free thaught, and wait before bashing ep 3. and 4,5,&6 on DVD hell yeah. I dont care what version i get, as long as i can have it. cause any star wars is fun. admit it when you walked into the theater to see ep 1 you were in awe. cause you were seeing a "new" star wars movie. the same goes with ep 2, and will follow with ep 3. they are fun movies. not ment to do anything but make you have fun! personally i want 3 more so i can take my kids to see them in the theater to experience the joy that i did as a kid, a teenager, and now as an adult.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 12:33 a.m. CST

    I stopped reading after "Star Wars-licious"

    by Erik J Fox

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Lucas is a money grubbing prostitute!!!!

    by colossus1972

    That's right folks. He is a sellout to the nth degree. He doesn't give a shit about any of us. He doesn't care about making good prequels to one of the arguably best trilogies ever made. All he wants to do is get into every single one of our pockets and steal our hard earned money. The prequels arent even following his own plot of the first trilogy! Boba Fett??... Wrong!!!! Clones??...Wrong!!!! R2D2 and C3PO??...Wrong again!!!! All he is doing is stealing known charachters from the succesfull and critically acclaimed trilogy, dressing them up making them pretty and telling a totally absurd story that conflict with everything he's done before! Did I mention it's boring also?? In the original trilogy, I cared about every single charachter. Even Porkins, if you can believe that?! In these new movies, I don't give a shit if they all die of disentary. That actually sounds like a pretty good idea to me. They are all dull, boring and poorly acted roles. Then there's the toys!! How much crap did everyone buy when the movies came out? Come on now. They are all still in their protective boxes up on their little labled shelves waiting for the next ice age to come before the value goes up maybe fifty cents. News flash, they arent gonna be worth shit!! Wanna know why? Because Lucas flooded the market with all this crap I guarantee I could go into a toy store today and find an action figure from the Phantom menace still on the shelf. Lucas could have shit on a plate and put a Star Wars sticker on it and you would have bought it. I guarantee you I will not spend one dime of my money to supply this "director" with his weekly supply of dumbass pills he seems to have been taking since before The Phantom Menace. SELLOUT! WHORE! SELLOUT! WHORE! SELLOUT! WHORE! SELLOUT! WHORE! SELLOUT! SELLOUT! WHORE! SELLOUT! WHORE! SELLOUT! WHORE! SELLOUT! WHORE!

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Bill Maher...

    by colossus1972

    Do us all a favor and don't breed.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Chuk-chuk Bo-Buk

    by one9deuce

    I'll take on your theory. The Original Trilogy will ALWAYS be held in high regard. The Prequel trilogy will not. Because the Prequel Trilogy is substandard. Time will be the test, and I guarantee that what I just wrote will hold true. Look at it this way: would you rather have a 1965 Mustang or a 1975 Mustang? Mustangs were just better in the 60's. Although I am sure that some people like the 70's Mustangs better. Just like some people like the Prequel Trilogy better.

  • It seems they both made really dumb choices there, then.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Lame people are lame.

    by Darth_Awesome

    Does anyone know how radical Star Wars is? I do. It's way better than the LOTR Trilogy, which was quite good. Although I didnt really like about two hours and fifty-nine minutes of The Two Towers. Of course, as with every trilogy--except Back to the Future--has moments of wincing and extreme vomiting(46 minutes through all six SW movies). I can not wait until Sep. 2004 so I can watch the computer generated images of the Special Edi-ahem, new trilogy. Thanks George Lucas! He happens to own the universe.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Hey Hillbrothers

    by monorail77

    I'm like you, in that I've enjoyed the prequels so far, but unlike you, I actually think Phantom Menace is much better than AOTC. I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this but here goes. Phantom Menace really rolled along, and it looked fabulous. The trade federation army, Coruscant, the space battle, the ground battle, the podrace, the Gungan city, Jar Jar, Sebulba, Watto. All looked great. The acting was far superior, because Liam Neeson carried the film. He's the best actor that's ever been in Star Wars. He made some potentially awkward dialoge his own and delivered it well. The lightsaber battle at the end was the best in the series so far. Very exciting, I watch it frequently. I thought Jake Lloyd did a very good acting job too. He was a very convincing and spirited boy. I really liked the Watto voice acting and I liked the Neimodians too. Very exotic and funny. Jar Jar was actually a pretty good idea, and I like a lot of Jar Jar stuff, but he also fails in many ways. Iliked his frozen tongue gag, and I really thought it was brilliant that he acheived success in the end battle through inadvertance and bungling. That kind of wink to the audience is very delightful. There was only one thing I found truly unforgiveable in the film. During the podrace, Anakin should have had some difficulty, as he did, but he should have unknowingly used the force to bail himself out. This was a huge thematic misfire, and its lack ultimately rendered the podrace irrelevant in the story arc. As it is, the dramatic tension in the race is resolved by Anakin flicking a switch a few times until his engine fires back on. That was unforgiveably awful. Some other complaints I have: Yoda. he looks goofy, and his voice characterization, in both prequels, has become slow and pained. Why has Oz done this? In Empire, Yoda is often quick and spry, like a wise elf spewing Jedi knowledge (think of him on Luke's back while Luke is running). In the prequels he speaks slowly and declaritively. It sucks. My other biggest complaints are levied at Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor. They are truly terrible in both films. You know why, because they do not have confidence in the words they are being asked to say. You can tell they don't like their dialogue, and that's why they sound so terrible. Actually, I think that's McGregor's problem. I think for Portman, she's just plain bad. She really hasn't got a clue how to play this stuff convincingly. You think some of the love scenes in AOTC are stilted? Sure, maybe they are, but that is because Portman isn't giving anything to work off of. Poor Hayden Christensen is acting his ass off, and doing a pretty great job, and she just drops the ball every time. Watch their scenes again and tell me I'm wrong. Christensen is a good and committed actor. He, like Neeson, makes this material his own. He makes me beleive that he really talks like that. Portman doesn't, and neither does MacGregor. That scence of Anakin and Obi Wan riding up in the elevator to Padme's room in AOTC is deplorable, because McGregor sucks. You can tell he hates the dialogue, so he fucks it up. Poor Christensen. I hope he's surrounded with better actors to play off of in Ep. 3. I hear he has lots of scenes with Palpatine. I hope this is true. Its because of the crap acting by Portman and McGregor that I find AOTC to be inferior to Phantom Menace. That, and the "crazy action" overkill. That end battle is so overdone, its practically no fun to watch. And while the lightsaber duel between Yoda and Dooku is OK, ther's no non CGI / real person battle that takes our breath away, like in Phanotm menace. Actually, the best part about the Yoda duel is the setup, the actual battle is so-so. Yoda flips around like a pinwheel too much for it to be truly interesting. The action sequence in the droid factory is a bit of a waste of time as well. The arena scene was great, full of tension, and the Jedi's showing up was also good. And even the clone troopers showing up was good. but then the ground battle was just so filled up, i didn't care anymore. Its kind of the same way I feel about the different space battles in ANH and ROTJ. The ANH battle is really well done. My attention was skillfully focussed to different skirmishes within the battle. But the ROTJ battle just has too much stuff going on all over the place, that i don't care about any of it. Not until the Falcon goes into the unfinished Death Star. That part is focussed. Its all about focus, I guess. So, there's my rant. Flame away, if you must.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 7:46 p.m. CST

    By the way...

    by monorail77

    I'm extremely tired of the assumption that anyone still interested in Star Wars, or in posting on this talkback, is some fat slob living in his mother's basement with a minimum wage job and no girlfriend. So, for the record, I'm in my mid thirties, I've been married for 10 years, I have three kids, I own my own home, and I'm a lawyer doing extremely complicated, multi-party litigation at one of the top firms in my city. And I LOVE STAR WARS. I am however, pretty fat. I'm working on that one...

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Watch out!

    by Darth_Awesome

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Treadwell is correct

    by Star Wars Extra

    Treadwell is correct in not jumping to the conclusion that the OT will be released on DVD before they are released again in theaters with the final changes, such as Yoda in CGI and Ian McDiarmid as the holographic Emperor in TESB. Star Wars ANH is only about $125 million away from overtaking Gone With the Wind as the all time most successful movie after adjusting for inflation, and one more release would close that gap even further. I think that fact alone puts this ongoing debate about Star Wars in perspective. I agree with several earlier posts that the loudest critics of the series seem to know the movies by heart - or at least better than I do. When some here criticize Lucas yet can recall whole sections of his movies shot by shot, you do have to wonder about them. Both George Lucas and Peter Jackson are among the all time greats as filmmakers, but GL has an edge in that his movies are original ideas. I can't imagine a better treatment of LOTR than Peter Jackson's ever being done, but it is his vision of material written by Tolkien. His next project is King Kong, and I am really looking forward to his treatment of that classic as well. But he is not doing original stories as Lucas has done.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 7:28 p.m. CST

    i posted this as a link from empireonline on another talkback th

    by jimdin2001


  • Nov. 9, 2003, 7:37 p.m. CST

    OT on DVD

    by Star Wars Extra

    This was the first chance I've had to respond to any of this. Been busy with work all week.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Your not the only people who watch movies you self centered dork

    by Jack Ryder

    *** godric " I may get crucified for this...but I actually loved those Ewok movies as a kid, especially the second one with Wilford Brimley as that old hermit. No, I'm not kidding. It was cool! " *** Don't you know that all media has to be aimed only at frustrated, bitter, over 30 nerds who like to over obsess about the things they supposedly love? Waahhh! Lucas didn't make the movie I wanted him to make! But he made a movie millions did enjoy, and their looking forward to the next movie and the cartoon. And so are most of the whiners, but they want to look cool by bashing the film because somehow it's cooler to bash a film than to enjoy it. ***" then the original Star Wars trilogy is being released September 2004, "*** Released how? theatrical? DVD? WTF?

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 11:13 p.m. CST

    WTF should be banned form the universe.

    by Darth_Awesome

    Anyone who says, WTF shouldn't be allowed to eat their vegetables, let alone talk about Star Wars. The DVDs are going to 0wn everyone and everything including but not limited to you. People are quick to judge Lucas and his greedy owning ways but I like him. And don't cry about losing your childhood at the hands of God (Lucas) because he couldn't care less.

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 3:07 a.m. CST


    by captainjy

    You guys are already bashing on something that you haven't seen! All you dumb asses who are bashing EP3 will be in line, waiting to see it. Unbelieveable. Again, what's so sad is I am a Trek fan defending Star Wars to Star Wars fans.

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 3:17 a.m. CST

    colossus1972, you are a dumb ass!

    by captainjy

    Dude, are you eating glue or something? Don't give me this crap the Lucas is a sellout. He added 3PO, R2D2 and Boba Fett for the fans. So he improvised a little, get real and grow up. You are just sitting there pissed off at the world, hiding behind your little Macintosh loving that you can bitch on some forum all in the privacy of your parent's basement. Yeah, you are entitled to your opinion, but you are just bitching to bitching sake. Think about Star Wars for a minute- there are many "wrong" things about the trilogy- the acting was lousy, the fx were cheesy, some characters were dorky, but so what? I enjoy seeing the new Star Wars films because they are new and computer generated. It's still fricking Star Wars- cheesy, cutting edge and fun so don't look in all the cracks looking for something to bitch and start looking at the whole picture, literally...

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 2:41 p.m. CST

    use the Force, dimwits

    by Azrael24

    I've been a frequent reader for a long time, and something - snapped. After reading the same god damned bullshit that these moronic assholes giving their two shits about why they hate the new Star Wars, or the old (god forbid), or whatever crappy excuses you can blame Lucas for this and that. The dipshits are responsible for their own behaviour, and whatever excuses they'd like to blame, is sheer stupidity. I happy to love anything that's Sci Fi, sure we got some nice cheesy ones, some serious hot stuff, and disappointing stuff. Reason why I snapped is because I can't take it anymore. This forum is so easy for anyone to feel high and mighty, and whatever disappointments you're feeling after watching a movie here or there, is relayed here, but in the most pathetic way possible. I've noticed a pattern fellas, it's always easier to nitpick, or say this is bad, or demean a movie, or even a person, than it is to compliment the person, the movie, et al. Another factor to key in is the new Star Wars movies will be around for another 25 years, and will remain timeless, and classic. Dunno what glue you guys are sniffing, and going on "hate this, hate Lucas"...perhaps you really hate yourselves for setting up for disappointments? Bah...get a life, long live Sci Fi and Star Wars.

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 5:42 p.m. CST

    by grendel824

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 5:43 p.m. CST

    "Live Action" should be KOTOR

    by grendel824

    Knights of the Old Republic (the game, that is) would be a perfect big-budget TV series or movie!

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 12:15 a.m. CST


    by SYCOone4


  • Nov. 11, 2003, 11:51 a.m. CST

    An answer for the Question presented by The Hillbrothers

    by nitebreed

    In answer to your question, yes, there are those of us that found weak areas in Episode I & II, but all in all enjoyed the movies. I for one LOVE the way Anakin is portrayed in AOTC. Yes, he is a brooding teenager. Yes, he is a whiney teenager. Yes, he is petulant, and arrogant, and rebellious, and full of unbridled anger. There is one word to sum all those things up, folks

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 7:48 p.m. CST

    little shit

    by autonomousgerm

    nitebreed, there is a difference between a snotty teenager and a 23 year old idiot who can't act trying to act like one. The acting in Episode 2 was some of the worst examples of the craft ever put to a hundreds of millions of dollar product. It was pure pain. Worse even than Episode 1. Don't you people who claim to like this film realize or remember that there was LAUGHTER in the theater when these people delivered the lines? Especially when Hayden is jacking off to his mom, er wait, having a nightmare in bed? Seriously, if you can't tell the difference between bad acting and good, well then, you liked Episode 2, and that is insult and punishment enough.

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 8:11 p.m. CST

    I am right, you are wrong

    by Darth_Awesome

    You know what I liked the best about Attack of the Clones? The acting. Some of the best ever. Good old fashioned lines that weren't meant to say anything. Most Star Wars fans know by now the whole back stories on all the movies and the whole saga. Lucas knows this, thats why his lines are so cheesy. We all know what's going to happen and how, the lines are not needed. Also, I semi-laughed at the "Jacking off to his mom" reference, although it's a little too lame for me. I'm judging everyone on this Talk Back section and no one is as awesome as me, hence the name, Darth_Awesome.

  • Nov. 14, 2003, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Whats all this shit !!

    by Ask_My_Bollox

    I can't believe that so much much shit goes on about a movie. Whats this whole "Lucas raped my childhood crap". Okay so Lucas was responsible for one of the most incredible series of films in my childhood, I had the toys, the curtains, the pyjama's. Do you all really think that the new films could ever square up to the old ones - never !! However, it hasn't stopped me enjoying the new ones for what they are, and buying them on DVD immediatley upon release to watch again, and see the extras. Okay the acting was little shitty, but what do you want, Brad Pitt as Obi Wan and DeCaprio as Anakin, no thanks. I don't think all this raving on about how shit it's going to be will stop you from going to see it in the cinema - you probably have the others on DVD too you fucking hypocrites !! Looking forward to seeing the new film, and will enjoy it no matter what, I'll be sitting there in the cinema with a smaile on my face a mile wide whenb those big words STARWARS pop up on the screen and the music starts, you cant break my passion for that. Take a chill Pill, and relax, watch the old movies to remind you of how you felt watching them as a kid and remember your kids will love the new ones, while you will always prefer the old ones and they wont understand why !! P.S. Darth Awesome Rules !!

  • Nov. 14, 2003, 6:54 p.m. CST

    You are right, and I am wrong

    by Darth_Awesome

    Just kidding. Seems to me that I'm not the only one here who thinks Lucas has not only created one of the greatest trilogies ever and still has the balls to do it again! Star Wars: Episode III will blow my socks off; causing me to buy new ones. Lucas won't buy me new ones for me either, since he has every right to keep all his money. He earned it.

  • May 26, 2004, 10:54 p.m. CST

    If Ep III is great, Lucas will have batted .500

    by kid sidious

    I loved Star Wars. Went beserk for Empire. Return is where the cracks started to show. I wanted Episode I to be great. I wanted this so badly. I was disappointed. I needed Episode II to be great. It wasn't. WAS somewhat (not much but somewhat) better than Episode I. I believe that Lucas either a) no longer understands what made Star Wars and Empire fantastic or b) never knew in the first place. I am hoping beyond all hope that it's a). I think the evidence may point to a) because of the slight uptick in quality. Remember he was inactive for years. Perhaps, like anyone would after such a long layoff, he got rusty. Perhaps it's starting to come back. I really hope it does come back to him. Because if Episode III is pathetic, it makes for a lopsided ratio of hits to misses. If it's awesome...well...I'll take 3 great movies (ep. III, IV, & V), 1 fairly good movie (ep. VI), 1 strictly average movie (ep. II) and one mistake (episode I)...and I'll call the whole series...a success. I am disappointed with the prequals so far, yes. But I will be there on line opening day for Episode III. I hope it's good. I really really do. Who knows guys? It might be...