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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with my views on the second most anticipated final chapter coming out in 2003, MATRIX REVOLUTIONS.
You may remember my disappointment with RELOADED. I liked the film more than Harry did, but had some HUGE gripes... I felt the film was a cop-out of the terrific set-up of the first film. It seemed long and ultimately pointless. Plot-wise, what happens in the movie? Neo and Co. look for the Keymaker. They find him. Neo visits the Architect. The End. Sure, lots of characters and smaller (pointless) events happen in-between, but it sure was one helluva long movie for such little plot progression.
Then comes REVOLUTIONS, which I liked a lot more. Much like the difference between Harry and my opinion of RELOADED, I didn't quite like REVOLUTIONS as much as Harry did. I dig we don't get all the answers at the end of the movie, but so much is left unanswered that my first thought was the Wachowski Bros couldn't come up with anything satisfactory, so decided to leave everything ambiguous. That might not be the case, but that's how it kind of comes off to me on the first viewing.
On the whole, REVOLUTIONS is a far superior film. The fights are less in number, but ten times more impactful. Agent Smith has much less screen time, but is so much cooler. The effects are far superior and there are only a few moments of what I call "Final Fantasy Neo" popping up... you may remember him from his large amount of screen time during the flying scenes and the "Burly Brawl" in RELOADED. The change over to the new Oracle is well handled, but it does throw off the pacing a tad at the beginning... but I'm getting ahead of myself.
The real success in REVOLUTIONS is its comfort with itself. With RELOADED, the Wachowski's tried so very hard to make the film high and mighty... Even though the film was a romp-and-roarin' actioneer, they spent way too much time sticking their noses in the air. By trying too hard, they undermined their own story... or maybe they just forgot how to incorporate the philosophy subtly like they did in the original MATRIX.
But I don't buy that they just forgot how to incorporate the philosophy so it feels real and not just like it was being read out of the text book because at the beginning of REVOLUTIONS they have this great little exchange in the train station between Neo and the father of a young girl program about love. The father and mother have made a deal with the Merovingian to smuggle and hide their daughter into the matrix because she is scheduled for deletion (since she is a program without a purpose). Neo asks how a program can love, it's a human emotion, after all. The father smiles and says, "No. It's just a word." A word is only as good as what we associate with it... This philosophy is said in a character moment, something that gives the film greater depth, but only because it has a real purpose. Neo sees a new side to these programs. It doesn't feel like some ham-handed mumbo-jumbo trying to disguise an action film for something deeper and more "important."
REVOLUTIONS knows what kind of movie it is and doesn't try to be anything else. It's the last desperate fight. Surprisingly, The Wachowski's actually made me give a shit about things I didn't care for in RELOADED... Like Zion and the many characters in Zion. The Kid and Link's Wife actually carry their roles effortlessly. That was a great surprise as I thought the stuff I'd like least in REVOLUTIONS would be the Zion invasion and that turned out to be one of my favorite parts in the movie.
I find myself, a day after having seen the movie, looking back on it and seeing a damn good movie with a few minor flaws. In comparison, I still look back on RELOADED and see an all right movie with a few major flaws.
My nitpicks of REVOLUTIONS are so small and petty that I'll only bring up one or two... The first in particular is such a surface nuisance that it doesn't even bring down the scene it is in. This is in the real world, during the confrontation between BANE and NEO. It's a very nicely constructed scene, but Jesus god... Here's how the dialogue goes...
Neo: "Who are you?" Bane (in a note-perfect Agent Smith voice): "Don't you know, Mr. Anderson?" Neo: "Tell me who you are?" BANE: "Mr. Anderson, I think you do know who I am..." Neo: "No, I don't." Bane: "Don't you recognize my voice? The Mr. Anderson part?" Neo: "......." Bane: "Black suit? Sunglasses? Neo: "......." Bane: Receding hairline? 'Mr. Anderson.' Any of this ringing a bell?" Neo: "That's all fine, but WHO are you?" OK, so that's exaggerated a little bit, but I found it so damn annoying that for three minutes of dialogue Neo can't figure out that Bane is somehow Agent Smith. Bane is doing his voice and keeps calling him "Mr. Anderson." I mean, c'mon! My other problem with the film is the upside-down gunfight at the Merovingian's club... Trinity, Morpheus and Sereph go the club and there's a shootout with the collectors at the door... When the first one is popped, the rest of them flip upside-down and run around on the ceiling... All I could think about during the scene was "Why?" Does walking on the low ceiling somehow make you harder to shoot? I guess it was just for aesthetic purposes, which I can buy... Still, it bugged me when watching. All right, how about the good? The great even? The before-mentioned Bane and Neo confrontation is great, even if you just want to get up and slap Keanu three times in the face, grab him by the hair and scream: "It's Agent Smith, you DUMB FUCKTARD!!!" The invasion of Zion is fan-fucking-tastic. The big Robot thingies are kick ass and Mifune is actually put some great use (even if it is him screaming at the camera, guns blazing for 85% of his screen time). The detail of the resistance is well established and executed. The reloading of the Robots, the bazooka sniping of the "Diggers," etc. The squidies are like ants. Hundreds of thousands of them swarming the place, slowly but surely overtaking everything. Some of my absolute favorite stuff in the film happens with Agent Smith, though. There's one moment (I won't tell you when or where because that'll give away something big) where he literally points out how ridiculous most of the philosophy-speak in RELOADED was. He rants on and on and on, getting funnier with each new level of bullshit. It's hilarious (and intentional, by the way). The final fight between Neo and Agent Smith is a thing of beauty. I do have some questions as to the logic of a few of the moments (SPOILER... How does Smith fly? When did he figure that one out? I don't quite understand...), but when the lightning flashes behind Smith in his power-pose you can't help but smile. My only really big complaint with the fight is the repetition of the slow-mo exploding water shots. There seems to be five hundred of them in the scene... I think a lot of people will be pissed off with the end, especially since it doesn't have many answers, but I really liked it. If I hadn't had some major spoilers given to me while down in New Zealand (where you can't walk down the street without bumping into someone wearing a Matrix crew shirt or cap) and online I would have been hugely surprised at how we leave some of the characters. During the film I was excited, intrigued, happy, sad and elated. That is four more feelings more than I had for RELOADED, the only feeling I had for that was disappointment. I don't know if many people will share my feelings on the film... There will be those that'd love it if it was just Joel Silver and Larry Wachowski in leather slapping each other's asses while reading PHILOSOPHY FOR DUMMIES for two hours. On the other side of the coin, there will be those with such a sour taste in their mouths for the whole series that they'll just focus on the few negative aspects of the film. I'm in the group that'd buy the eventual box-set and just never watch RELOADED. Which one will you be? Before I go, I want to put up a little announcement. Like last year, I'm going to be writing up a column listing some great geek gifts, to be posted on Thanksgiving, the day before the big Christmas shopping blitz. From board games to video games to toys of all sorts... Everything is fair game. But to do this I need your help. Email me at aicnquint@yahoo.com if you have the perfect, off the wall geek wet dream of gifts. If you're working at a big toy or game developer and want me to check out some upcoming products (say... the entire catelogue of SIDESHOW/WETA) that you think fit into the GEEK category, you can email me at aicnquint@yahoo.com as well. I'll be back soon, squirts. Until that day, this is Quint bidding you all a fond farewell and adieu. -Quint
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"THIS film has tangible cause and effects, and hokey emotional schmaltz, no more cheesy than a thumbs up from a T-800 on his way to oblivion."
On another note, Nice review, Quint, but it doesn't say a whole lot about the film itself. -
Seriously though, here's hoping to buggery that this film kicks arse. The Matrix Trilogy is looking pretty ropey at present with one great film and one not so good.
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Maybe one day I'll be as manly as you. But not today.
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I just want to know what you guys thought about the end....
***SPOILERS****
So basically anyone who wants out of the Matrix will be allowed, but Zion won't interfere? Where is Neo?! My theory is that he uploaded his code as part of the deal, which is why we see the Matrix reform.....
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All in all a great movie!!! -
Now I ask what is the point? Larry? Andy? Can you explain?
"No we can't, we're too busy flying around in diamond-encrusted hot air-balloons, smoking cigars lit by hundred dollar bills. Perhaps you could buy the online game and see if that answers your question."
Cheers then you speccy fuckers! -
by your standards I guess Titanic is a far better movie than any of the LOTR movies, as well as any of the Star Wars Flicks.
Its hard to compare films grosses, when LOTR has a bigger fan base than the Matrix films. As it would be unfair to compare LOTR to Titanic. -
As always!
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Sounds like they were going for another Keanu the dummy joke with that "Uh, it's ME, Mr. Anderson" exchange. Doesn't sound like it works very well, and it maybe overplays how much Neo can't conceive of a Matrix character crossing over to the real world. If he himself is a program, it can't be *that* hard, can it? I'll have to see how it works in the film, but it gave me quite a laugh in print. Anyway, these recent positive reviews sound encouraging, but the stuff about the ending has me unnerved. I hope I'm satisfied is all.
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I never stop being amused at the obsession the more extreme fandorks here have over box office. Cutestofborg (god, I cannot type that without rolling my eyes) do you have a vested financial interest in any of these films? Any of your personal cash or creative reputation on the line? No? Then WHY THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE CARE SO MUCH??? Really, what the HELL does it matter what something grosses as long as one's own personal experience was fulfilling? It's like the equivelant of who has the bigger dick in the shower for film nerds. Except that it isn't YOUR dick. And making these proclamations...well, I am huge on the Matrix series, but do I sit around gnashing my teeth that LOTR makes more money and awards?? NO!!!! I enjoy them all, and WHO CARES what one does over another? I don't care if revolutions makes five dollars, If I enjoy it, that is all that matters to me. Then again, how can anyone who "quotes Vader" (DORK!!)be taken seriously, jeez. Ok two more quick things, everyone with their snarky "philosophy 101" comments; sure it's basic philosophy, but so what? That's still way more than what you will find in other films, and if it inspires some people to look deeper into the study, then that is great. It sure beats the bastardized Buddhism/Tao of that Jedi crap. Second, even though I do love LOTR, "crying pussy midgets and metrosexual elves" is the funniest damn thing I have read in a while....
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Nov 05, 2003 10:25:00 AM CST
*Confidence slowly returning after Reloaded disappointment*
by raw_bean
Here's hoping Revolutions can resurrect the Matrix greatness. --- Smerph, nice to see another Brit unafraid to use such words as 'bugger' and 'arse', I was beginning to feel self conscious using them myself! Where d'you hail from fella? --- C_of_B me old mucker, what are you doing here? Stop provoking the Matrix-heads, my Ringer friend!
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The movie fans, not the book of course. They keep crying out loud abou the box offices, oscars(oscar, oh my, do they prove anything), number of fans, etc, and ignore the fact that while the Matrix is a new concept created from several midias while Jackson simple remade the same cliches from other hundred movies based on Dangeons and Dragons. And he didn
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Nov 05, 2003 11:00:54 AM CST
Egad, two overly defensive Matrix fans against one well-meaning
by raw_bean
Judge Doom, calm down, C_of_B TOLD you he was just gently taking the piss, he KNOWS box office and Oscars dont really matter (if the Oscars were REALLY worth anything, the last two LOTR films would have been Best Picture and Peter Jackson would've been Best Director! ;) ---). Personally, I thought Gandalf versus the Balrog was great CGI, much better than Neo in the burly brawl, and it certainly thrilled me more than the BB, but there are other instances of slightly ropey CGI in LOTR films, it's true. Neither C_of_B or myself ever denied it, nor did we complain about Tom Bombadil (personally, I'm fine with him being left out, he was always better as the character in some nonsense poetry anyway). And if we're on the names, "Judge Doom"? Are you 12? ;) Don't get started on mine, I know, I know. In my defence, it's my real life nickname (sounds like "Robin", see?). At the end of the day, I actually think "cutestofborg" is one of the funniest and least ridiculous nicks on AICN.
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Nov 05, 2003 11:31:18 AM CST
If the W. Bros. had actually resolved anything, they wouldn't be
by trav mcgee
They're not setting up sequels, they're setting up their shot at a perpetual money tree. Man, I called this as soon as I saw the frickin' game's site go up months ago. www.thematrixonline.com. Check it out. It's one of them "MMORPGs" and takes place "after the events of Matrix: Revolutions". Looking like Everquest, but with "customizable 'Vogue Style' avatars" that "captures the 'wire-fu' Matrix experience." To quote Mr. Glass, "Now all I need is your credit card number." Sooooo... how many Matrix uberfans in the next couple years are going to continue calling Lucas the greedy toyseller, letting merchandising affect, even alter the storytelling? ...As for seeing this third movie itself, I dunno. It's pretty much now at the bottom of the list of November movies I want to see, plus a couple from October I still have to catch up on. If it's still around in a month, I'll probably catch a matinee, with popcorn.
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after Warner Bros. paid both of you guys to right favorable reviews.
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I think Reloaded should have been structured like Godfather 2: two story lines, one a "prequel" storyline. The other storyline could have been Zion is about to be invaded, Morpheus' ship has been badly damaged, Real-life Neo has been wounded, and they must make their way to Zion while avoiding more Squiddies (dramatic tension much like in Das Boot) to get Neo aid. Meanwhile, a weakened Neo is in the Matrix trying to maintain consciousness while getting taking on agents. A pretty good cliffhanger could be created from all this.
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Nov 05, 2003 1:41:54 PM CST
Drath, Neo isn't a program, where did you get that idea?
by minderbinder
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Nov 05, 2003 1:57:01 PM CST
And Trav, accusing them of having their movie set up a game is s
by minderbinder
The game will take place in the matrix environment, there's no need for it to take place after the movies, it can happen perfectly well during the timeframe of the first movie.
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"There will be those that'd love it if it was just Joel Silver and Larry Wachowski in leather slapping each other's asses while reading PHILOSOPHY FOR DUMMIES for two hours" -Isn't that how they came up with the script?
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Nov 05, 2003 4:55:32 PM CST
Here's at least one LoTR fanwho's looking forward to watching Re
by morgoth
The action scenes look fantastic though I'm getting rather bored with the Smith/Neo fighting. ** Now, now cutestofborg, what an impish little troll you are {[:^) It is said near Gamwich that "The tater what goes around will eventually come back around." Of course, everyone knows those Gamgee's aren't exactly the brightest jools in the box, if you take my meaning.
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The Wachowskis are assholes who couldn't write a story about assholes even though all they do all day long is 69 each other and eat out each others assholes. Boring, unimaginative, and poorly directed, the only thing good about The Matrix is The Animatrix. Now there are some well directed stories where I actually care about the people involved. Those damn little cartoons can act anybody in the Matrix under the table. I can't wait for the computers to take over and put us all into comas. We deserve it if derivative shit like the Matrix does as well as it does.
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So, the Trilogy is complete. The story
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Nearly every positive review of Revolutions is full of apologies for all the stuff that is wrong with it. It is always, "yeah, this was wrong and this was wrong and this was stupid, but I still liked it." Never have I seen so many people TRYING so HARD to like a film. In the years to come, clearer heads will see Reloaded and Revolutions as hugely disappointing films after the promise of the first Matrix movie. Regardless of how strongly you delude yourself into liking films 2 and 3, eventually your denial will fade and logic will prevail and you will say, "Of course they sucked".
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I just couldnt get over the unbelievable amount of cheese in this film. *SPOILERS*******************************************************The first scene with the lil girl was okay but when the Indian (of course) guy then went into yet another existential crap fest on karma I just rolled my eyes. And then the laugh track inducing crap fest between the "Captain" and the "Boy" about being sixteen. I expected him any minute to say, "Pod born? I didnt know they stacked shit that high in pods." The first Smith/Neo confrontation I enjoyed but its like Quint said, even Bill S. Preston Esquire isnt stupid enough to not figure out hes Smith after 3 minutes of him talking. (BTW, if that wasnt a voice dub, then tat actor did a mega-fucking job doing Hugo's voice). Then we have the battle...that just keeps going and going and going. Meanwhile nothing fucking happens. Some calamari dies, a ship bangs its way through a tube, and we get to see some Aussie Roid Rage screeming at the screen. Joy!! Then we have Neo going Dragonball Z on Smith for 10 minutes. This was actually pretty cool minus the multitude of stupid impact explosions which just got silly after awhile. Then it just sorta ends...and Im not even sure exactly why it did end the way it did to be honest. I got why Smith turned into Super Vegeta and all that but not how Neo beat him by being absorbed, but considering all the other cheese covering this celluloid I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it was "Tha Powa of Luv". Out.
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Once in a while, When I come back to the Talkbacks and read some of the posts I realise the fundamentally vital function they
(The Talkbacks) provide.
That function being to keep those of you who actually think their negative and whiny opinions matter off of the streets and away from the general public.
Truth be told if you did not like this film for whatever reason, Who cares?
The three or so people who actually bother to skim read these negative posts probably came to these conclusions-
1. All the negative and anti-whatever posts could appear to be the work of just one guy.
2. If so, then he must be really pissed off.
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Nov 05, 2003 7:20:53 PM CST
Really disappointing review from www.flickfilosopher.com, a revi
by truthseekr1488
http://www.flickfilosopher.com/flickfilos/archive/2003/matrixrevolutions.shtml
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ok the dialogue was kinda lame sometimes, and the less sed about the rave/orgy the better, but there were some very (as one reviewer put in his blade 2 review) "pow bang fuck yeah" moments.
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Nov 05, 2003 7:33:28 PM CST
Quint makes a good point there about the Smith flying *SPOILERS*
by dragonfire
Wtf? Why didn't he fly after Neo after that pointless fight in Reloaded then? Oh well, guess with a movie like the matrix where there're so many complex things occurring there're going to end up being plenty of holes, and you can't expect the W brothers to explain every single little detail, but I feel there were some major details that they should have explained and didn't, like Neo's sudden ability to disable the machines and see them when blind. That was the major twist in Reloaded and the Bros didn't bother to explain it. It's all very well having the ending of Revolutions be open ended, but certain questions have to be answered. Something which has as massive impact on the plot as that warrants a better explaination than "so oracle, howcome I could destroy the machines" "Because you touched the source. The end". Why could he touch the source? Why couldn't he do it before? Why couldn't the other five Neo's do it? It's like the W brothers needed a way for Neo to be able to get to the Machine city, so they gave him the ability to manipulate machines and then couldn't think up a suitable explaination, and Harry says it's cool because it's "ambiguous". BS! You could say that about any piece of lazy storytelling then. However, that major gripe aside, I thought Revolutions was great, the final battle between neo and Smith was awesome not because of the effects but because of what was at stake, the reason why any battle is truly awesome, something Reloaded lacked. Neo allowing himself to be destroyed in order to save humanity was also a nice touch. Pity they couldn't have found a better actor to play Neo. Cool as Reeves is, and he did fit the role, he can't act and maybe the fate of the one would have had more impact with someone more capable of expressing believable emotion. All in all, cool movie, nice conclusion which thankfully didn't take the predictable route (I'm glad they didn't make the real world a matrix as well as so many people suggested they would. I would have officially declared the trilogy shite). It's just unfortunate that the first one will always be the best one in the trilogy and the one which everyone remembers, an almost completely different movie to the second and third one, which is not the way a trilogy should be.
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that seems to sum it up, doesn't it?
i'll post more later, when time permits, but for now, kids (meaning LOTR fans), settle the fuck down, 'cause your little movie trilogy is a colossal joke, which indeed made a ton of money, but its still a joke.
Treebeard, anyone?
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Neo was able to stop the sentinels as opposed to the other 5 ones because he chose the other door. The other 5 ones all immediately had their code reinserted into the Matrix and the Matrix was Reloaded. And Revolutions kicked major ass and the seige is the greatest sci-fi battle scene ever.
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I'd like to present a special award to Ebonic_Plague for being the first (as far as I know) to successfully mix in the term "Metrosexual" in an AICN talkback. Congratulations...........
And I've always thought that "TheCutestofBorg" was one of the better nicknames around here too. (Certainly better than my lazy one), although I always assumed it belonged to a girl. -
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I just want to see more Niobe and Ghost... especially Ghost. Can't they just do a TV show or something? And of course, more Roy Jones Jr....
I've got it, "The Continuing Adventures of Niobe, Ghost & Ballard."
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Nov 05, 2003 9:58:08 PM CST
Please stop putting little kids who can't act in movies like thi
by red giant
That little Indian girl was just stupid. The whole train station was stupid. Where the hell are the twins in this movie?
More wire fu, copycat scenes, jesus.
At least the machine city defenses and "brainbug" were very well thought out, and the Zion invasion was pretty to watch. Less "Ahhhhhh" screaming and Kid time though.
All told, this movie wasn't too hot. I loved the first Matrix, and Reloaded was tepid. This was the worst in plot and tied with The Matrix in effects quality and would have been a clear first if some of the CGI of the fights wasn't obvious or stolen from other movies (namely its own predecessors). -
I would have to say the LOTR's have raised the so called bar to near impossible hieghts, but I just think its a little unfair to compare the two series. I love Matrix, enjoyed Reloaded, and dad gummit I plan on enjoying Revolutions on Friday.
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Nov 05, 2003 10:21:30 PM CST
The scene of Agent Smith levitating in the storm is right out of
by frankdrebin
SPOILER #1: So the sentinals are sound-activated? Niobe's ship bumps against a girder and they all spring to life. Come on! If they need downtime, wouldn't they do it in shifts. Or maybe one of them would be active, sort of like some kind of--oh, I don't know--sentinal! SPOILER #2: Wheelbarrows?! Why are future weapons always less sophisticated than the ones we have now? SPOILER #3: Man-oh-man, could it have taken longer for Neo to recognize Smith on the ship?! SPOILER #4: So how did The Kid ("Joe Joey Jar-Jar, Jr. Shabadoo") know the war was over? Couldn't the sentinals just have been regrouping? CONCLUSION: Clearly, this is not the end of Matrix movies. There'll be another series, just with other characters.
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I'll start out with two disclaimers. First, I haven't seen Revolutions yet. Second, I liked Reloaded a good deal more than the first Matrix, even though I love both. So on to my point.
I've read numerous reviews talking about how bad Revolutions is. That the dialog is corny, that the action scenes are more of the same, and that the story generally doesn't live up to the promise of the original.
Here's my response. Ignore them. Most of the same things were said about the second movie, and I found them to be ridiculous upon watching it. I'll briefly address the main criticisms leveled at the third movie and the trilogy as a whole.
Corny or 'lofty' dialog: Yes, there are alot of speeches and high ideals in the Matrix movies. No, that's not a bad thing, and there are two reasons for that. First, these movies are about the ultimate survival of the entire human race, as well as the spiritual and philosophical ramifications and implications of that struggle. Kind of calls for more that 'Dude, let's go kick some butt.' Second, the dialog and ideals of these movies is indicative of the bravery and daring that pervades these movies. In a time of self-aware, smirking movies that have no substance beyond their attempts to discredit ideals or archetypes, it takes some effort and originality to actually posit new ideas in an effective way. We've become so used to the jaded post-modern perspective, that we have a knee-jerk reaction to something that is earnestly *about* something in such an open manner. Whether you like the Matrix or not, and whether you feel it succeeds in this regard, I think it's hard to question it's attempt at something great.
Action We've Seen Before: Yeah, we've seen it before. We've seen most everything before. That's the gift and curse of living in a media-saturated society that loves action movies. But I'll say this. I have never seen action sequences that are nearly as artful, complex, fascinating, and beautiful as in the Matrix movies. In short, they rock, and for me, everything else I've ever seen lags behind by quite a margin.
Story Not Living Up: The first movie was awesome, and the idea was very original. But it was also very basic. Once you got past the initial shock, you basically can boil it down to Morpheus' battery speech. And everyone LOVED it, myself included. Reloaded came along, and so many people (especially critics) hated all of the philosophical themes, the Architect, and all that came with it. My theory on why most people hated it? There are alot of stupid people in the world.
Not stupid if they didn't like the idea or thought it was poorly done. Nothing wrong with that. Stupid if they didn't grasp the idea and the point of the idea. And sadly, that was the case with alot of people. Because the second movie demanded that you actually think, because it challenged you, because it dealt with concepts that couldn't be broken down into Morpheus brandishing a battery, many people just disregarded large portions of the movie as either inscrutable or pretentious. In my opinion, it was neither. Instead, the scene with the Architect ranks as one of my all time favorite movie moments, because it showed the intelligence and emotion that can be conveyed in the hands of skilled filmmakers.
And ultimately that is what you have throughout. The work of skilled people making one of the best series of movies ever created. Yes there are flaws, and yes it isn't going to be for everyone, but that's not the point. The point is that the risks were taken and the ambition was there. Alot of people, critics foremost among them, want to pigeonhole everything with their crass, pseudo-intellectualism. They want a happy meal with a slight twist that they can applaude as something new and better. They don't want an entirely new meal.
The Matrix is an entirely new meal. Go to Revolutions and dig in, and if you don't like it, fine. But if you hate it, hate it for your own reasons, and not because you're told you should.
Thanks for listening.
Tenebrae
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Okay. Every time I visit talkbacks, there are more negative comments than positive. It doesn't matter what the subject is, it always holds true. Has anyone else ever noticed that?
I do not know how anyone could walk away from The Matrix: Revolutions without a smile on their face unless they had already imagined the entire story then was completely shocked to find it didn't play out the way they expected.
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I wish people would stop comparing these three incredible franchises. It's like apples and oranges. The LOTR is a movie (and more importantly a book) that's meant to give people hope something to live for. The Matrix is a movie that questions you it questions your faith and beliefs, it's a movie that offers different possibilities and realities. Now Star Wars, Star Wars is just an incedible saga. Everyone can get wrapped up in the journey of a tortured souls rise to evil and decline to good. And bringing shit up like OSCARS and awards and critical praise is stupid. LOTR The Matrix, and Star Wars are film hostory. They are all fantastic movies that should be appreciated not compared, judged, or even god forbid analyzed. Movies are supposed to be enjoyed on a personal level.
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...The critics are WRONG. Boy, the world is so cynical. For once, Harry and Quint have it right. Revolutions is the perfect ending to a brillant series. I think the problem that the critics have with the film is that it is obviously a climax to a very long film.
The whole film avoids the conversation and pacing of Reloaded because of the fact that it feels like the last act of a film.
This thing is amazing. The seige of Zion is amazing. The final fight between Neo and Smith is amazing.
Many people have problems with the ending. I didn't. Any hard-core fan of the Matrix who has seen the Animatrix knows that the machines became more than just logic circuits. We (humans) started the war (over economics of all things) and showed no "love" and understanding for are very creations. The ending is necessary for the very message of the Matrix. The Matrix being about faith and birth; Reloaded about life and hope and the decisions and choices we make hoping that they are the right choices and Revolutions which is about death and love and the reason we ultimatly make choices in our life and what defines are lives when we are ready to face the end- love. Love for are fellow man. Love for our family. Love for our spouse, girlfreind, boyfriend.
ROTK will win the Oscar. Peter Jackson created a perfect triology pouring his heart and soul into a brillant film event. However, i think, after the dust clears and the cynical public revists this triology...It will be the Matrix that we will all talk about.
Bravo "w" Brothers. Thank you for your story. Thank you for your effort. I am happy to have enjoyed the ride.
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However, as much as I agree with all that you said, especially about Reloaded's greatness... unfortunately, Revolutions is so lacking in every aspect that made The Matrix was it is today.
The movie sucks majuh ass.
1. It is boring because Zion and it's characters are boring.
2. Trinity, Neo, and Morpheus have little screen time.
3. Morpheus and Neo never flesh out their relationship.
4. Less fights = more suck.
5. Zion fights = more suck.
6. The sci-fi level went completely oveboard on this one.
7. No Merovingian explanation.
8. They hardly show the "Matrix" in Revolutions.
9. The heavy majority of *everything* was left UNRESOLVED!!
10. The ending: Uhh... so the machines just stop fighting? Yeah, ok.
Thumps up to the first two movies. The final one has left a sour, sour taste in this Matrix fan's mouth. I'm done. -Lino-
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I liked Matrix RELOADED better. I don't really see all thats wrong with it. its a sci fi kung fu movie, why is everyone always trying to get more than whats there? some of you are totally over analyzing these movies, which is a real shame, because before REVOLUTIONS came out, I read ALOT of good ideas about what would happen in REV from talkbackers, and all those ideas were wasted because REVOLUTIONS was no where near as cool as some of the talkbacker theories. I like matrix 1 and 2, but I thought 3 was completely anti climactic and far more pointless than reloaded. so neo makes a deal with the machines and humans stay in their pods, whoop di doo. sure, its a more realistic ending, but I don't watch movies for realistic, I wanted Neo to go Akira style on that giant stupid Baby Faced porcupine, totally rip the machines to shreds with psionic power, I wanted neo to become god, I wanted Baby Face to chase neo around the planet blasting death star lasers out of its mouth so neo could deflect them like dragon ball, I wanted something totally absurd and unrealistic. nope, instead I get a horrible cheesy sunshine with an oracle that looks like a bag lady, colonel sanders, an ugly little girl, and a kungfu stereo type. the rest of the movie was ok, but when you end a trilogy, you gotta go out with a bang. the ending to this movie totally killed my interest in this series. awesome, bring on the next movie, called The Matrix: "RE-make Revolutions cuz it sucked."
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****SPOILERS**** ARRGGGHHHHH!!!! Pow Pow Pow Pow. WOW thats some acting. Scream and act like you are shooting at something. Wish I could have had that part. Anyway..boy oh boy did I hate this load. Let me sum up one thing that will prove why this movie blows big time. Neo and Trinity flying against the Supa Dupa Mega Defenses Of the Machines. The Defenses that Fat Baldy, now with a bit part in the movie, sez "No one in a 100 years have gooten with in 10 miles of the base." Neo's answer to defeat this mega defense? "Lets fly over the fucking thing." OH MY GOD!!! NEO no wonder you are JESUS! You are soooo smart. DAMN YOU!!! I want my 10 bucks back!!!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! I MADE A FUNNY!!!!!!!!!
ok, enough of my silly shenanigans, cutest. as for my "low-brow" tirade earlier, i had a choice of either typing that, or masturbating in public, and frankly i prefer my masturbation in the privacy of my own toilet, thank you very much. so, the decision was simple.
as for bringing on ROTK, i ask that we first "fix" that shit-mess called "The Two Towers".
as for Revolutions, i honestly have to say that while i am hardly a fan of the Matrix films, i was impressed with the last two sequels, despite the obvious pretentions contained therein.
for me, it all boils down to how "annoying" the fan base is, for any particular franchise. and right now, there is no question that the LOTR fans are easily the most tiresome and pathetic.
you, my dear borg, are of course the exception to this, as you bring joy and peace to the world (or at least the talkback) with your joy of all things LOTR (horribly wrong though you are, you're "message" of love is admirable).
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What about TREE BEARD? you rest your case? tree beard is supposed to represent nature taking a stand to preserve the planet from an obvious evil, the fact the the Ents finally took up arms because they saw the possible devastation that could cover the entire world is pretty deep. but alas,you're a fucking fruit, and just as much a nerd as everyone else here. what makes you a fucking joke is that you don't admit what you are. Have you ever seen ANYONE poor as much time and heart in a movie like the lotr trilogy? Hmm, gee, so how many trilogies have been released where the movie crew spent 5 years of their life in a row to make three movies as huge as lotr? not very many. and it seems to me you don't like any of the major trilogies, so tell me, WHAT MOVIE IN YOUR OPINION IS GOOD? Please tell us all so we may bask in your infinite wisdom, we all wish to become as enlightened as you, you who are above all movies and "nerds". tell us what a good movie is so the millions of talkbackers around the world can rip the shit outta something YOU like.
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They get passed machine city's awesome defence system by flying above the fucking clouds? Great! awesome! Mistergrimloc-o-rific!! how about instead of flying above the fucking clouds, Neo bursts out of the cockpit in a beam of fire and light and streaks through the sky at mach speed towards machine city and rips shit up!
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I make a humble request to join the tree house. 12/17 all the way...
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If only that was what set the standard for being as Ass in here. Bring on The Return of the King.
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Reloaded was the set-up. This is the pay-off. It works. I'm not going to sit here all high-and-mighty on my angry chair and say those of you who didn't enjoy it don't "get it". I felt the movie ended the only way it could. There is no way the humans could beat the machines. This isn't Independence Day; no Deus ex machina computer virus to save the day. I applaud the filmakers for not taking the easy way out, with Neo becoming God-like and decimating the machine population. That would not be in the theme of the film(s). I realized in the theatre that this is not a Human vs. Alien film in the classic WE/US vs. OUTSIDERS/THEM theme. The robots are not alien, they are human. They are our children. That was the whole purpose behind the Mobil Ave. scene: to humanize the machines, to make us realize that this is a CIVIL WAR. North vs. South all over again. Brother aganst Brother and Can't-we-all-just-get-along? We picked this fight, and we ended up getting handed our collective hat. I repeat: the humans could not defeat the machines head-on. Neo did what he had to do. He made himself a peace offering. Did anyone note the almost-reverence in the machines' after the finale? I did. Or I imagined it. I forgive Reloaded because I see now that the Wachowskis had 2.5 movies on their hand. This story would not have worked as two films. There is too much set-up. However, it is not completely successful as 3 films because there is a lot of filler in the second act to pad out the set-up. I hated Reloaded for its fluffiness, but now I see why the filmakers made the choices they did. I thought the action sequences were great. I liked the Neo vs. Bane fight for its sloppy anti-matrix style brawl. I like the fact that the hero doesn't make a Rocky Balboa comeback. He makes a moral choice without thought for himself. Selflessness is more heroic than throwing a punch, in my book.*** Side note: this movie had something so many movies I've seen lately lack. The little touches. Yeah, those. The little moments of nothings that don't move the plot, advance the story or explain anything. They serve no narrative purpose and yet all the great films have them. Indiana Jones vs. sword-wielding guy. When the Millineum falcon does its slow graceful loop-the-loop into the cave in EST. When ET and Elliot fly in front of the moon. Those little moments make all the difference and Revolutions has them. I am not going to presume to tell you what those were. Different people see different movies on the same screen. Yoss out. Hope you enjoyed the flick.
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He only becomes as powerful as Neo when he takes over the Oracle. You notice how all the other Smiths cower when the new Oracle-Smith is created? So, this new super-smith can fly.
On not recognizing agent Smith, you have to understand that up until Neo realizes it's Smith, no one would ever even fathom that a program could make it out of the matrix and into a human. It's easy for us to say it's obvious when we saw it all happen.
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Nov 06, 2003 1:11:48 AM CST
THIS IS THE LAST TIME I AM COMING TO THIS WEBSITE. I HATE ALL O
by dmsammons
I just got back from Matrix Revolutions...and I REALLY, REALLY enjoyed it!!! I unfortunately read your "reviews" beforehand, and I was so afraid that I would not like the movie...and that really, really pisses me off!!! So I'm going to say this to you fucking shitters who speak such terrible things about fucking EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING you come into contact with like your intellects are so advanced that you cannot like anything because to like something would intimate that any of you are human like the rest of us. You are all a bunch of fucking piss ant, shit licking bitch-made assholes with holes so big in your fucking hearts that no matter what you do, they will never be filled. Why can't you all just fucking be happy about SOMETHING...anything, ANYTHING??? It's a damn shame for most of you that out of all the sperm that passed out of your father's penis...YOU...were the fastest...I'm sure that of those other sperm that shot out of your father's crooked dick...there was a better human being waiting to be born. I hate it that you are all so Negative. I HATE IT...so this is the last time that I am coming to this site. I AM THROUGH...I've been coming here for 3 years now...and for what...pettiness and negativity. PETTINESS AND NEGATIVITY. I fucking HATE you all! I hope that the day you shitters commit suicide, NO ONE is there to mourn your fucking pathetic lives and deaths you sad fucking lot...
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She is sooo fucking hot and they cut her out of the entire thing, she was the greatest thing in this movie besides the big battle sequence... Fuck this movie and ROTK will suck too because TTT sucked just like Reloaded... I want Monica Belluci don't make me watch Tears of the Sun or Under Suspicion again
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Thats a wrap. Monica Bellucci has now finised The Matrix Revolutions. Thats pretty much it.
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Heh. Double Entendres are cool. Digress. Wasn't she in Brotherhood of the Wolf and nekkid for most of the movie? I seem to think that was her... What else has she been in? Or more to the point, what else has she been nude in? I dunno what it is, but she makes me regress into a horny teenager. Well, I guess you have to get past that stage to revert to it. BUT, if I ever do get past it, she will definately make me revert. Yoss out.
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Nov 06, 2003 2:09:47 AM CST
THE MATRIX vs. LOTR arguements? Is this what the world has come
by thefoywonder
Somewhere George Lucas roles around naked in a pile of large denomination bills while laughing at us all.
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but really, aragorneo, after the matrix came out on video everyone "jumped on the bandwagon"? Talk about coming out of Plato's cave once in a while...
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It appears that the general concession is that the movie sucked. Hmm. I do not understand what could bring you people to this conclusion. Let's see...the battle for Zion...the Smith/Neo battle...yup, It's the perfect ingredients for a kick-ass film. Actually, I thought the beginning was kinda slow, but then the S&M shootout took me back to the lobby shoot out and all was right with The Matrix world again. What was I saying? Oh yeah- I don't know why people didn't like it, but I think it's a great ending to a great triology- one that will be remmebred- a testament to the whole triology. Maybe I'm a retard for liking the film, I dunno..alls I know is, I'm not the only one who feels this way. The Matrix triology will become a classic, just like Star Wars and LOTR. By the by- you "LOTR is better than Matrix" folk are just messing around, right? I mean, they're both good. The OT Star Wars is till numero uno in my book, though.
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I dunno. I'm not going to claim to ignore the religious overtones of the films. Most of them are blatant, but mocking, tongue-in-cheek almost. It felt more to me that Neo cut a deal with the machines to let the humans live in return for getting rid of Smith who was turning out to be a huge pain in the ass for the machines. And then, in order to get rid of smith, he had to forfeit his life. It feels as much mafia ordained hit as Judeo-Christian symbolism.*****It's funny, when we start out, the machines have the upper hand, then Neo makes a monster out of Smith. Smith becomes both human and virus even though he professes to hate both. Then Neo makes a deal to get rid of Smith in return for the continuation of the cave-ravers. Smith is not the bad guy, he was just created to be a bargaining chip!
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SPOILERS
Wouldn't it have made more sense if instead of all the guns and mechs and stuff the Zion defense force had kept one ship or a giant EMP handy at the dock for just such an occasion?
Commander Lock Said that EMP's screwed up their own defenses, but why not rely on EMP's instead in the first place? They were much more effective and cost less lives.
As for the rest of the movie I'm still confused about who was in charge of the machine/program forces. Was it the Architect or that big head that talked to Neo? What's the heirarchy there? machines over programs or vice versa? How come all the machines in The Second Renaissence had individuality and yet in the movies they were all mindless drone automatons?
Plus, shouldn't we have seen a scene in which all the people still trapped in the Matrix are made aware of their situation? (The casual mention of this by the Architect didn't feel very satisfying).
Plus, I didn't think Morpheus did enough. The club lobby fight was dull, the death scenes didn't move me. there wasn't enough intercutting of the plot strands or any real sense of mounting tension. We should have seen the extent of Smith invading the Matrix and the machines becoming scared. And they should have established the machines in a more sympathetic light (As was set up in the Second Renaissance).
And in the end we should have seen more perspective's on the truce at than just those of Oracle and the Architect.
Okay, maybe that wasn't the most coherent critique, but
I felt it all needed saying.
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EMPS:I think with the EMPs they are a one-use kinda deal. One goes off and all other EMP devices are shut down as well. EMP fries all electronics. Just hope the cops don't get these anytime soon. Belive me, they are working on it. I shit you not. MACHINE MINDS:I think the machines are more of a hive mentality, but that's just a guess. There's no reason there isn't a program for each one, but there could be a program to run them all. That's one of those finer points never explained. Based on the big giant head, i go for hive mind, personally, with free-roaming programs. HEIRARCHY: Good question. I'm gonna guess and say the machines created the architect to manage the matrix only on the basis that the machines were here first. HUMANS REMAINING IN THE MATRIX: I think everyone is set free that wants to be set free. The Cyphers of the world are happily eating steak in a swank restaurant while the rest are taking up new occupations as cave-ravers. It all happens off-screen. Probably a running-time issue. Also, just a tedious detail. Not to mention logistics. How is zion gonna give all that medical care and rebuild muscles and stuff. Move over link and zelda, there are 13 more couples moving in with you. I think the W's chose not to open that particular can o' worms.MORPHEUS: Agreed. He should have gone with trinity and Neo rather than chase tail on another ship. Wanker. The trio of Morph, trin, and Neo is the heart of the matrix films. Bad choice I say. ON SMITH: agreed. It is established that he has absorbed the entire matrix. there are no humans left not written over. Funny. Smith becomes the two things he professed hating in the first film; human and virus. SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL: Go back and watch the SECOND SCENE OF THE MOVIE. The whole purpose of that scene is to humanize the "bad guys". Neo and CO. aren't fighting aliens, they are in a civil war. North vs. South and all that that implies.
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it's funny,
this movie was about the middle east! hahaha....
an allegory to palestine and israel perhaps? can't we just get along?
cuz according to the animatrix, the machine city zero-one was established in the 'cradle of civilization'....
hahahaha... according to anthropologists, wouldn't that be somewhere in modern day IRAQ?!
way out there and yet so completely topical!
well, i guess a christ allegory is very fittingly played out in the middle east....
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gotta say that many of the themes are very very star wars. surprising since they started the first movie with a strong philkdickish/cartesian bent.
you got the whole DUALITY/OPPOSITION thing: white is black and black is white and you must embrace the dragon in order to defeat him.
this time it's neo/smith zion/zero-one (and zero one even looks like the word zion...) machine/man.... that yin/yang thing's been doing the movie circuit since joseph campbell's 'hero with a thousand faces' was issued with a picture of luke skywalker on the cover....
it's so played out and it's surprising to see it again here.
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i did like the movie. i may like it more in a few viewings. i'm giving it the benefit of a doubt that those things that i don't yet understand are understandable.
if not, the wachowskis bit off way more than they could chew but it was a noble attempt.
jin
p.s. yah, the getting on the ceiling was cool lookin' but pointless. is there indeed a tactical advantage of firing your guns running on the ceiling if you have a perfectly good floor.
granted, it is probably there just to 'mix it up'. it is a credit to the wachowski's that they have pretty much exhausted all the possible permutations of combat such that such measures is necessary.
but still it is just bad fiction to have things that don't need to be there.... occam's razor and all.
same problem that i had with kill bill with uma on the bannister... why fight there when you have a perfectly good floor?
p.s.2. i knew from the moment i saw the animatrix short about what machines ended up doing to man that the end of the series would be a convergence toward PEACE.
showing man's atrocity, then machine's was a pretty blatant tip of the hand.
it made me marvel at the direction they were gonna embark on right then but since it was so early on, i'd seen it coming for a loooooong time.
but having smith as a scapegoat is so unsatisfying.... it poses no real solution and there's no real life analog.
perhaps the only way there will be peace in the middle east is an alien invasion... :)
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Just to touch back on a few issues.
HUMANS REMAINING IN THE MATRIX. Yeah, showing everyone unplugging would have been laboured, and would have broken the film's condensed tiemframe. But how about just showing the Oracle or the Architect breaking the news through a global simucast? Or having Morpheus take a hand and offer to start to reeducate people for integration into the real world. This would have felt a lot more monumental than their casual treatment of the matter in the park conversation. (I suppose we can assume something like this will happen anyway, but a more concrete suggestion of the process beginning would have been a plus).
SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL
The thing is only the programs are really humanised and given characters (and a lot of that was established in Reloaded) The logical conclusion would have been to see the more sympathetic side of the actual machines that ran the show. But nothing, just more giant squids. If they have developed into a miliatristic hive mind then, as the Architect suggests, the peace probably won't last (After all, you don't see Skynet backing down in the Terminator films).
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How and I supposed to take a review seriously when the writer makes up words?
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guess I should save my whining until I'm done reading the review
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Okay, I just want to stick in my tuppence. What a waste. Maybe its me being a cynical Brit, but there was such an abundance of cheese in Revolutions, it was sickening. The dialogue was truly awful ("The machines are leaving! But ... makes no SENSE!" - like Harrison Ford once said, you can write this shit, but you sure can't SAY it.), and the plot simply walked away from all the exciting things that made the first one interesting, to become a simple run of the mill sci-fi actioner. To explain, for me, the first film had elements of the Truman Show and Dark City, ideas that grabbed you and led to musing over 'what if reality isn't REAL?', 'what if we're living a lie?' - nice philosophical undertones lead by some original and novel action. Now the thing the Wack Bros. forgot, it seems, is that the action was NOT the defining characteristic that drew people to the Matrix movie, it was also the reality questionning that brought non-sci-fi fans to the seats. Fans of the Truman Show for example. In the first film, the world inside the Matrix was considerably less stylised (the brightness of the office, the high street) and left you with the feeling that our world could be this one. In the second and third films it suddenly was plunged into a mire of dark greens and browns, 'hyper-real' - and lost the connection with the audience as it suddenly found itself in 'film-land'. I think that was a shame. Its as if they decided that their success had been because of the invention of bullet-time, not their wonderful idea that the action was based around. I dunno, I hoped to come out of Revolutions having seen the biggest twist since the Sixth Sense, all the allegory and metaphor pointing towards a massive philosophical climax - was Neo a program all along? Is the real world not real also? In the end I walked away massively disappointed with the waste of potential; one example being the offensive way that Neo's powers in the real world were never even close to being explained. He had become supernatural, which made no sense! In the Matrix he could see machine code - fair enough, he was a human and we can do some pretty tricky things some times. A human can still beat a computer at chess for example! This I could take - but suddenly we're supposed to accept he has superhuman powers in the real world and can see clearer than Daredevil? I don't know, the movie struck me as lazy. An average action film plot containing some better than average action. What a shame. I honestly thought that what with the amount of layers contained in the first one, the amount of hints contained in the names of the characters alone, that we were headed towards a huge reveal that would be one of the biggest twists in the history of cinema. "Man, you have to see the end of Revolutions, it'll spin you around!!" - I wish. As you may be able to tell, I was a little disappointed. Oh, and don't get me started on Trinity's longest death scene since Sean Connery in The Untouchables...
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... the entire peace pact between the humans and the machines comes down to Neo taking on Smith and winning. Now he's won and Smith is dead, why on Earth should the machines continue to honour the deal? The script that was going about which had the Kid revealed as the "real" One taking the Architect's place at least gave the humans a bit of leverage over the machines to keep the peace pact going.
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Okay, I'm a bit fed up of the adulation heaped on the two Lord of the Rings films so far. It's like saying that because they cost so much to make and were basically one man's vision regardless, they should be worshipped. WHY? Funny thing is, they could have been great. The acting (apart from the prat who plays Samwise) is flawless. Ian McKellen has proved, along with his role in the X-Men films, that he has impeccable taste for choosing which blockbusters to appear in. The scenery is gorgeous. BUT......................................................................................... There's FAR too much scenery. It should be in the background, not pointed out with every silly helicopter camera fly-by. The special effects are so overdone as to be often unreal - I mean, what the heck were they THINKING with the Balrog? The whole point of it in the book was that you DIDN'T SEE IT. Imagine a gigantic cave... a pair of double doors... Gandalf has just cast his spell to strengthen them when there's a huge implosion of red light, Gandalf is thrown back, and a gigantic firey sword cuts the doors to shreds... then cut to the bridge, Gandalf fleeing desperately, leaning on his stick... While behind him, this THING that is as big as a man at the start, but in shadow... as it advances, fiery eyes gleam balefully, while a pair of flame-tipped shadows, massive wings, span out across the cavern walls to envelop the pathetic-looking heroes facing it... In other words, THE BALROG WOULD NOT LOOK LIKE A PANTOMIME DAEMON!!!..................................................................................................... Then the second film came out. It was "The Matrix Reloaded" all over again. All the good things about the first - the characters especially - just disappeared. Instead we got a few "dwarf jokes" akin to those in "Dungeons and Dragons, The Movie"; Gandalf and Legolas were wasted; Merry and Pippin spend half an hour being lectured at by a stupidly animated walking tree, which is Jackson's "interpretation" of their friendship with Treebeard in the book; and the whole idiotic thing ends with the longest, most pointless, boring battle scene I'd ever been sent to sleep by (at least until Neo took on a hundred Agent Smiths in the square.) All the stuff about "We Need To Go To War!" sounds unpleasantly like jingoistic propaganda of the Bush type. Even the much vaunted Gollum - a rare triumph for the special effects team - was completely undercut by the idiotic character of Samwise. And the hobbits are so basically inept in the film (they're extremely resourceful in the book) that Gandalf's choosing them to bear the Ring just seems nonsensical. All of this is done in the slo-o-o-o-owest fashion possible - why didn't the editors get busy on these three films? There's enough good material in them to fit easily into one. ....................................................................................................... I'm not saying this to piss people off, I'm saying it because the adulation given to films just because of their marketing rather pisses ME off. And, as I've said before, what this basically means is: That all I get the chance to see are over-rated Hollywood blockbusters, when I'm constantly hearing about so much better films than these ones. I'd pay good money to see 'em if I had a chance!
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Fuck! Did I want to love this movie! But ultimately do I have to say: What a fucking weak 3rd Part to what could have been the best trilogy since star wars. Damn them for blowing it!!! The funny thing is: All critics hated reloaded, which I really loved, and now everyone goes apeshit over Revolutions which kinda sucked. I loved the fight in zion, the fact that morpheus was a whimp because of getting his faith broken down and Agent Smith going nuts, but that was like 25 minutes of the whole movie. The story just didnt justify a 2 hour plus flick. I just have to join the critics above cuz they all quite right with what sucked in this movie. Still I wanna see it again to make sure it wasn't just because of my high expectations. Still: What a waste!
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Nov 06, 2003 9:06:47 AM CST
The Girls in the begging of the club scene are the same girls fr
by warp11
Anyone else notice that before they enter the club in Revolutions, the girls who are going in are the same girls who are with the guy that buys a disk from Neo in the first Matrix film? Makes you think.
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So, it's been roughly 20 hours or so since I saw Revolutions, and I'm back to muse a little more. As I read through the latest batch of posts in this thread, it hit me that I really can't wait to get back to the theater and watch the film again. Now I knew after watching Reloaded that eventually I'd catch it a second time, but I wasn't in any real hurry. I'll be catching Revolutions again before the weekend is over.
............. *Spoiler territory* ...................
I know a lot of people are unhappy with the ending, but I wonder how you wanted it to end. Personally, I'm glad there wasn't some Independence Day style super outta' nowhere battle where the humans finally figure out a way to defeat the machines. Remember, this is a war that's been going on for 100's of years. Hell, the humans have already scorched the sky trying to stop the machines. And I'm glad all our favorite heroes didn't ride off happily into the sunset together either. I would have liked to see Trinity survive, only to see how she would carry on without Neo. (or possibly carrying a little Neo in her belly). I'd also liked to have seen more of how the end of the war affected Morpheus, but I guess the mark of a great story is that it makes you wonder about what happens to the characters in the future. (Look at how much has been written about the Skywalkers and Solos post episode VI). Beyond that, I'm growing increasingly pleased with the way things were wrapped up. I like the way Smith was defeated, and I like Neo's sarifice. As far as why the machines would honor any peace treaty following Smith's destruction, I think that's addressed in the scene with the Architect and the Oracle, where he asks her "How long do you think this peace will last" and she replies "As long as it can". Then when the little girl asks her if they'll see Neo again and the Oracle replies "I expect we will, someday". (or something to that effect), Which led me to believe she fully expects a day to come when the war will start again, facilitating a need for Neo 7.0. Which makes sense, given that the humans started the war in the first place and it's still in human nature to destroy ourselves. .............
So, all in all, I've enjoyed the ride, and by pointing out what I perceive as flaws or thing I simply would have done different, I'm not apoligizing for the film when I then say I still liked it. I can point out flaws in any great movie if I wanted to, but that's what makes them dear to me. And there must be something wrong with me, because I like The original Star Wars Trilogy, The LOTR films, and the Matrix films. I think about how BladeRunner was received upon it's theatrical release and look at how it's considered so influential today, and I wonder how people will see the Matrix Trilogy in 20 years.
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If Agent Smith took over the Matrix and bastardized it in his own image, then what happened to all of the people inside of it? Did he absorb all of the people as well, or just the programs?
If he actually turned it into the nightmare world we saw, then wouldn't the Machine's "batteries" (trapped humans) reject the Matrix and become useless? Did they die in place? Did they wake up? Did they wake up with Smith personas?
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you got a lot of hate, fella. LOTR fans annoy you more than any others? Angry, rude people like you seem to be annoy me more than any others (I'm not overly keen on being called a 'LOTR nerdling dancing about', or whatever you said). However, watch me refrain from insulting you. Incidentally, GreyElf was right, I don't think I've ever heard you talk postively about ANYTHING on a talkback. Maybe if you let loose on something YOU really love, instead of ripping on things OTHER people love, you'll feel a whole lot better about the world? Go on, it'll be cathartic! I promise not to rag on it, whatever it is. :)
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can't wait to see Revolutions sometime next week, I'm really hoping it will finish the trilogy in style. Just a shame I didn't make more of an effort to avoid spoilers. I do wish Harry, Quint et al would write non-spoiling reviews.
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It really helped me to enjoy both movies better after I started talking myself into this idea. Because as Quint said, Reloaded is kind of pointless. But taken as the 1st part of a two parter I think it works for me.
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I am so glad I saw this movie last night... what a relief. After reading the continuingly non-stop negative things about The Matrix Revolutions on AICN, I didn't think I was gonna like the film. And you know what, I didn't like the film... I LOVED the film. Out of all the films I've seen this year, this has to be the one I enjoyed the most. The movie just plain out rocked... the viciousness of Smith... the mesmerizing battle in Zion... the vibrant real world sky above the darkness... I can go on and on about Revolutions. I was not disappointed (although I did want to see the kid with the spoon from the first one again... was he in it? Maybe I missed it). After all the talk backers bashing the film, after all the bad reviews, and after all the speculation I must say this : No one can be told what you think of The Matrix Revolutions ... you
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.. sorry about the spoilers Raw Bean. Hehe... raw bean.
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Yeah, sorry about that, I was being lazy with my choice or words. Tell me what you think if you disagree(and note I haven't had a chance to see Revolutions yet so this may all be irrelevant), but I thought Neo was *like* a program in that he's supposed to go back to the Source, ends up in limbo when he doesn't, and shares a connection to the machines even in the real world. He's got code in him or something, right? That's what the Architect said (he also called him "irrevocably human" with such great loathing). I'm not sure what he meant by "temporary decimation" of that code or what it means to "reinsert the prime program" but it sounds like Neo is linked to the machines in a very program-like way, even if he's still "irrevocably human." So if that connection can carry over into the real world and let him blast sentinels then Agent Smith's crossing over probably shouldn't be so hard for him to grasp. Whew. Then again...
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but raw bean and cutestofborg at least offer a means of bridging the gap between my venom and true understanding.
by the way, GreyELf, i couldn't give less of a shit about how long the LOTR films took to finish, because as i see it, they fail to entertain.
in fact, i'd go so far as to say that a good majority of professed LOTR fans do not actually enjoy these films, but rather pretend to enjoy them.
they accept, blindly, the horrible acting, the very flawed special effects, and the constant childishness that runs rampant throughout the script. as for running off a list of films that i think are great, what would be the point? my opinion is no more valid than anyone else's, and i prefer to comfortably sit back and laugh as impossibly pathetic, frightened shut-ins such as yourself freak out when someone speaks ill of a movie that you happen to currently hold dear.
oh, and raw bean, i have actually posted many times in a positive fashion about several different topics. however, its much more fun to watch the nerds (yes, the word applies) who are so consumed with Jackson's efforts toward this overbloated, overrated "epic" (insert canned laughs here) trilogy, offer "facts" about why its such a "great" production.
finally, there are but a few talkbackers on here who actually take my posts with a grain of salt (such as cutestofborg and Ribbons) and realize that in the long run, i really don't care one way or the other.
everything, with regard to talkbacks, is a very silly joke.
everything.
now, let me digress into utter nonsense and ask everyone here whom they would rather ejaculate upon, Carrie Anne Moss, Natalie Portman, or Liv Tyler.
take you time, because your votes are important.
and, you may pick ONLY one.
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You know what, I have no idea what I'm saying, I just thought it would make me sound cool.
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You make a real good point about the talkbacks... I know you hurt alot of people's feelings with that one. lol Oh well, trying to please the masses of fanboys on this site is like trying to please a woman under 30 who hasn't reached her sexual peak. IT CAN'T BE DONE!! With that said, I choose Carrie-Ann... there's something about that ass jiggling in leather that makes this brotha squirt buckets.
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Nov 06, 2003 1:34:23 PM CST
Yes, they took the story in a direction we didn't expect them to
by dragonfire
and that's what bugs me. Is the reason I wasn't satisfied by the sequels because they took the story in a completely original direction, because they didn't give us the predictable 'humans rise up and defeat the machines' story we knew would have been predictable yet still wanted to see, but instead ended the war in the best and only way it could have been ended, through peace, through the sacrifice of the main character? Surely this is a good thing, that they were original. Why do so many of us not like it then? I'd like to say the reason is because it was a great idea that was exectuted badly, and that could be the reason. Maybe if the first one and a half hours or so of Reloaded hadn't been meaningless action designed to show off effects, maybe if the acting and dialogue had been better, maybe if the movies had more of a structure to them like the first matrix film did, rather than suffering from what's probably the consequence of two movies being filmed together at the same time (ending up a jumbled mess), maybe if the whole thing hadn't been swamped in CG, we would have appreciated it and seen the depth to the story. I hope that is the case, but it's also possible that it's just the irony of fanboys, and film fans in general, that we keep on asking for originality yet when we get it we don't know what to think of it. There were a lot of questions left unanswered in the Matrix. Some of them I felt the creators should have answered ie. Neo suddenly able to manipulate machines, but maybe some of them should have remained unanswered. Maybe we will look back on the Matrix trilogy and realize the brilliance of the story. Those of us who saw the Animatrix episodes should have realized this is what would happen. Why would they get us to symphathize with the machines the way they did in Animatrix and the beginning of Revolutions if they intended the humans to destroy them? Why make us symphathize with the 'bad guys'. The message is that there are no 'bad guys' in war. As much as we love the good old fashioned good vs evil of LOTR and Star wars, it was time for something different. Face it, Neo ended the war the only realistic way it could have been done. How could the humans have suddenly found some way to destroy the Machine race within the space of one movie. There was nothing they could have done that we wouldn't have dismissed as stupid and contrived. It's not a question of 'finding things about the movie to like' and 'defending it's flaws'. It's just a question of whether we'd ever be happy with any movie that doesn't fit the movie we had in our heads, but rather takes a new adventurous route that we accuse so many movies of not doing. It sucks to think we might always be a victim of our expectations.
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That is a pretty good way of summing up the malady of geekdom these days. That and the fact that most movies really are terrible. I am actually starting to agree with some vaguely-remembered post that CGI is the devil. We have created a monster with the CGI revolution. Remember back when 50 CGI shots was a lot? Now it is merely big dick contest between filmakers to see who can get the most effects shots in a film. Lucas is currently winning, by the way, and how is that working out for you guys? My new motto is not FUCK CGI, but FUCK OVER-USED CGI.
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He represents all the fans of the series. He's the dumb mook savior. The patron saint of shallow guys who think anime is cool, type in haxor, and wouldn't know a REAL philospher's name if quizzed about it. It's fast food for the brain. That's all.
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Why is everyone so surprised that the humans and the machines apparently make nice at the end? The title is a big damn clue. "Revolutions" Try defining that as "to revolve" instead of "to revolt". If the story revolved circularly, they're back to the beginning when machines and humans co-existed (before that nasty falling out). Haven't seen the flick yet but my expectations are tightly in check (and have been since I walked out of the first film). Those crazy pollacks have a lot of good ideas but in putting a movie together, it's awfully easy for good ideas to rot on the vine a bit. We'll see. If the majority is enjoyable, i'll have a good time.
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Nov 06, 2003 6:18:19 PM CST
Just a two-penneth worth from somebody else who's seen it.......
by laguna_loire
.......Absolutely loved it!! Saw it in the UK today. Only complaints I had were that it had a slightly slow start and it left a lot for you to consider - other than that utterly fantastic.
Minor point here, but so-called LOTR fans infesting a page they shouldn't have interest in to push opinion (read: catcalls)? Trust me, they're fed-up with the lack of attention they receive from the Star Wars and Harry Potter pages. Ignore them, they ain't worth it. -
Shouldn't we take into account that the two films were written at the same time and essentially one movie (even more so than the Lord of the Rings trilogy). Maybe you should consider where it fits into the trilogy AFTER seeing all three before you declare it a waste of time. Then if you still think it's a waste of time, whatever, your call.
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you have not yet voted in my survey.
as for Revolutions, did you find it to be a flawed, but pleasant surprise as i did?
admittedly NOT a Matrix fan, i am having a difficult time finding the desire to spit venom about these films.
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Did anyone notice the slight flaw in The Matrix trilogy that none of the characters had any discernable personality? Andy and "Lana" could even be bothered to include any of their principle players in the very lengthy attack on Zion, just the geek kid, the Vasquez chick and some other minor folks. I can't decide whether Revolutions was cool or rubbish, but I did like Monica Bellucci's cleavage. A lot. We should have had more of the beauteous Monica rather than the not-so-hot Miss Moss.
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If Neo and Trinity can just fly their ship up into the sky and see the sun....why the fuck dont the machines put something up there to collect energy. Its got to be better than human duracels.
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Nov 06, 2003 7:47:12 PM CST
MisterGrimmloch, do you have/intend to have any of the LOTR film
by raw_bean
Be honest, now. Oh, and Liv Tyler, without a doubt.
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Nov 06, 2003 8:10:51 PM CST
laguna_loire, "so called LOTR fans"? You caught me, it was all j
by raw_bean
As one of those "so called" LOTR fans, (and an envious fellow brit who hasn't yet gotten to see M:Revolutions), can I just say that your words wound me? I visit Star Wars and Matrix TB's because I'm a *so called* "fan" of these franchises too (although I've never been near a Harry Potter TB, I liked the books, but they weren't anything special). PS, for more appropriate use of the phrase 'so called', I recommend that you observe the character of Conspiracy Brother in the hilarious film "Undercover Brother", for an example of how not to do it. Also, see your own post. :)
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...About sums up how I felt about it. I'm glad they didn't explain everything, it leaves it up to the audience. Smith Flying? Well, he's apparently absorbed a huge chunk of the matrix population and made it his world. No biggie. The end was what I logically expected. There wre onlyt wo options: machine victory and peace. There could not have been human victory: do you kill the billions plugged into the matix? Do you liberate them to live in a desolate, dead world? No. You make peace and allow those who want to leave to do so. It made sense to me. Finally, while Silver et. al. have constantly said there will never be a fourth film it is obviously wide open. Is Neo dead? Does he return to the matrix? Does the peace last?
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Been waiting to get that one off your chest, haven't you?
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...Agent Smith
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orion, now i iwsh i were 14 again
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Trinity likes her men dumb.
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I guess I'd have to say Natalie Portman (and I apologize to all non-lesbian girls who actually read these things for getting off-topic in this way). As for 'Revolutions,' I haven't seen it yet.
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is that what you meant? You are the biggest in the closet homo on aicn. not even going to rag on your rotten maggot mother pussy lickin faggot ass anymore.
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carrie ann moss is ugly, liv tyler is flat chested and too skinny, natalie portman is plain and homely. how bout monica bellucci?
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has anyone else seen a new hong kong move named HERO? its fucking awesome, it stars jet li, donny yet, and zahn zi yi, and a few other notable hong kong stars.
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Nov 07, 2003 12:03:13 AM CST
Can someone explain to me what answers that did not get answered
by iamarayya
The marteting genius' forgot to say ALLLLLLLLLLLLL the matrix films, animations and video game. Common folks in marketing say it all ties together and not just simply say buy it all.
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that in the movie the cloud layer acts like an EMP 'blanket'. They went through the clouds to shake off the sentinels. It killed the engines on the ship and they fell into the machine city. Not that difficult to follow.
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Having heard a lot of misinterpretations and misunderstandings about the movie, I thought I'd share some of my insights... First, why Trinity is a program. When she died in the second movie, she came back to life (similar to how Neo and Smith both die in the first movie but come back) because her purpose was not yet completed (her purpose being to bring the figuratively/literally blind Neo to the machine city). This is why she tells Neo he cannot save her this time, she has finally completed her purpose as all programs have to. Kindof like the Keymaker, who dies as soon as he completes his purpose. To me, Trinity was created to have the One fall in love with her (as the Oracle tells her in the first movie) in order for Neo to go through that left door in Reloaded. Now, Persephone is the first version of Trinity from the first version of the matrix. In Greek mythology, she was the daughter of Zeus (the architect) and Demeter (Oracle), the mother of the earth's seasons. When Persephone is dragged down to the netherworld (the Matrix) by Hades (Merovingian) her mother causes a dead winter on the earth's surface until she is returned to her. [Slight digression: Why does the Merovingian control the train system? This represents the river Styx, the Greek's portal between the Earth surface and the underworld of heaven and hell, which is controlled by Hades. The dirty bum that conducts the trains is akin to Charon, the boatman of Styx, who ferries souls across the river. Note that "Mobil" Ave. (the sign in the train station) is an anagram for Limbo, which is why Neo cannot escape no matter where he runs.] ***This is what happens at the end of the movie*** Sati, the newest version of Trinity, goes back to her mother and Day 1 waits to begin again (which is why there is the creation of light at the end of the movie) when the peace between man and machines ends. "Sati" is the ancient Hindu ritual that a wife performs after her husband dies. Before British rule of India, it was commonplace that a woman would voluntarily burn herself alive if her husband died. So Sati, like Trinity, is meant to die with her future husband (the next One). I suppose the W bros thought of the name because the last reported case of an actual "Sati" performed in the last 20 years occurred 2 years ago. Also, watch Revolutions again and you'll see Sati's mother is the Architect and her Indian father is the Oracle (who feels the same warmth towards Neo). These 3 movies are the best thing ever put on film.
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Ok.. 1. Didnt smith absorb both the kid, Seraph, and the oracle, and yet they are back in the Matrix. So how did Neo die? He wasnt unplugged at all??!?!?!? I get the sacrifice thing but why are THEY all back? Is it because they are programs? Neo is dead right? Is he alive IN the Matrix? What the hell happened to Neo? His body is dead? And another question, if neo is 6.0, and there were ones before him, why do all the Neo's look alike?
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the parallels you draw between Neo and Jesus could just as easily be applied to Neo and the hero of many other myths or stories, ie, Frodo or Gandalf in LOTR (many people have compared their sacrifices to that of Christ, and since Tolkien was devoutly Christian, this has some weight), many heros from Greek/Roman mythology, Paul Atreides from the Dune saga, and on and on. Whether you believe that all such stories and their heros are echoing that of Christ, or that the story of Christ IS one of these myths and stories and they all echo some common urge for tales of heros who sacrifice themselves for others that exists in all of us, is a matter of personal belief.
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umm.. im feeling dizzy al this matrix talk is getting to my head, no big deal really it got to my head last time whn it ws being 'reloaded' only to be fukd by the ppl's verdict *smirk* so i dun expect this smack talking frm matrix geekboys to last long either.. besides what could be worse thn someof'em saying tht they like reloaded better!! (gawwd)
and Mr. Raw_Bean, cutestofborg, grey-elf .. kindly bear them for a lil while more. I realise tht the wait for RotK is killing us but thn intimidating these buffoons isnt very kind, considering they r already so pissd about their movies being trashed at the box-office *smirk smirk*
its just a matter of another couple of weeks junkiess, and then it is OUR TIME, OUR COUNTDOWN!!
to the highest grossing movie in the history of film!!
12-17-03 ,, ELENDIL !
pls bear with me ;)
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There is a scene in Revolutions that reminded me of an image from the comic book Miracleman by Alan Moore. It is the scene of Agent Smith hovering the air with the lightning behind him. There is a scene in Miracleman #1 by Alan Moore where the evil "Kid Miracleman", dressed in a black suit, hovers off this balcony with this big storm behind him.
This is one of the most widely acclaimed comic book series out there, so it is likely that the Wachowskis read it, considering they are such big comic fans.
I was reading some of the early issues and some of the ways they conditioned Miracleman when he was being developed sound a lot like the themes in the Matrix. Check out these quotes:
"The sequence in question describes the Para-Reality programming process....In order to fully control the thought processes and motivations of these potentially catastrophic creatures, an entirely artificial reality set is contstructed....
The reality set is then fed directly into their unconscious minds while they lay under the effects of powerful sedatives....
The dream world which we have constructed is one in which a pseudo-rational explanation exists for these human beings....
...And the creatures have lain dreaming for the last eight years, their entire existence a computer designed fantasy."
Very interesting, huh?
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I have no intention of insulting Matrix fans, indeed, die-hard Ringer though I am, I thought the Matrix was fantastic, Reloaded OK, and am looking forward to seeing Revolutions, just nowhere near as much as ROTK, obviously. While I have nothing against fans of franchises other than LOTR, and don't even mind people who despise LOTR, what I really don't like are rude, ignorant trolls like yourself, who treat being a fan of a franchise as being a memeber of a 'gang' or club, and feel the need to go and be obnoxious to members of the other gangs. You give Ringers a bad name.
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God knows I tried. After Reloaded I left the theater disappointed, hoping that it was just setting up questions to be answered in Revolutions. It did in many ways, but the trilogy ended with too many unanswered questions, and a shitload of plot-holes. My take on it all is that the Wachowski's tried to stretch the material too far to cover two movies, adding pointless sub-plots and characters, when one movie could have covered it all in one big blow-out. You can see it in Reloaded. The long preachy dialogue, seemed to be their way of stalling, trying to stretch the film to the two-hour mark so they can make an extra 300 million at the box-office, when one three hour film would have been a fine way to complete the story. I know I'm gonna take alot of shit after that statement but who the fuck cares, it's just a movie. I'm a disappointed fan like many of you, but I'm tired of trying to defend the sequels, and I think the rest of you should too.
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of course i intend to own ALL 3 LOTR films on DVD, both versions of each. don't mistake my tirades for being evidence of what is in my own personal collection! hahahahahahaha!, oh i just kill myself.
anyway, as for the survey, so far Natalie has a slight edge over Carrie Anne, Liv Tyler and Monica Bellucci. a surprise entry in the race is Agent Smith. who knows? maybe in this world, Smith will "win".
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Speaking as someone who always posts according to exactly how I really think/feel, we're pretty much poles apart. No ill-feelings, but I don't see any point responding to anything you post any more. Any time you feel like honestly and openly discussing films, I'll be around. In the meantime, have fun. :)
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Do you people not understand that these are only movies that you spend oh so many hours arguing about? I love my movies as much as the next guy but GROW THE FUCK UP! Go to work, go to school, go get laid. And for fuck sakes, quit with the "My nerd obsession is better than your nerd obsession" bullshit. Everyone has their own opinion. If someone liked The Matrix better than Lord of the Rings, let it be, don't waste your lives trying to say which is the better movie. FUCK!! That is all for today kids, oh yeah, before I forget, REVOLUTIONS CAN SUCK MY HAIRY BALLS.
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It's posts like yours that keep me coming back and weeding through all the whining and bitching on these talkbacks. All true or not, I love reading well thought out posts like that whether I agree with them or not. I don't exactly agree with Trinity being "just" a program, but I agree she was there to do what she was there to do. And the lottle touches like the Mobil/Limbo thing, just great. .......... JOHNNY_SUEDE, you're my hero, man. My own personal Jesus Christ. Wish I could find a live version of "Say yousa, Say Meesa" on the MP3 groups. ....................
And the actual correct Anagram for "Matrix: Revolutions" is "TO U: ELVIS TRIX NAMOR", a message to those who find it, alluding to the ONE (the King/Neo) defeating the human hater with the receding hairline and arched brows (Sub-Mariner/Smith) through trickery. Either that or they shared a bowl of cereal. -
"Monica Belluci is a pedophile
Comment: She made a movie in Italy where she has sex with a 14 year old boy, but I guess that's ok in that sick country" *****Damn I wish I was 14 and living in Italy then.
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Don't see how she could be a program created to make Neo go through the left door as has been suggested, because the impression we get is that the machines intended for him to go through the right door so the Matrix could be reloaded, why would they design a program to make him go through the left door? No, I think we're taking this program thing a bit too far. Just because some of the programs seemed to have human characteristics doesn't mean we need to go suggesting that all the main characters were programs as well. I believe Trinity and even Neo were human, regardless of his powers. They stress this many times during the movies ie. when he bleeds during the fight in Reloaded and the Malvingian says 'see, he's only human' or whatever, therefore dying in the Matrix means Neo is dead in the real world too, like every other human, whereas the oracle and Sati were programs so they could be remade when the Matrix was reloaded at the end of Revolutions, which is why they are alive again. Also, as someone said, Sati was going to be deleted because she no longer had a purpose, therefore how could she be a new program designed to fall in love with the One. Her purpose may have been linked to the One in some way though, because seeing as the Indian guy said "she no longer has a purpose", that means she obviously had a purpose before, and maybe Neo stepping through the left door caused her to lose this purpose which is why they were smuggling her into the Matrix at the same time as Neo was trapped in the train station, right after he stepped through the left door. Something I still don't understand though is the significance of Neo being blinded. Was it some kind of metaphorical blindness as well (what was he blind to figuratively. He seemed to understand what his purpose was by that time) or was it just to increase the importance of Trinity's role, as he would not have been able to reach the Machine city without her guidance.
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I share your sentaments palebluedot, its annoying for someone to smash something you like, but like Rawbean says, I think we are giving ringers a bad name, however, there IS a difference between you and I. first off, I only get pissed at people like Mistergrim, because he slams on everything, but doesn't tell us something HE enjoys, therefore no one can strike back without striking at him personally, so he uses that as a shield. he slams someone elses opinion and is too chicken shit to express his own. furthermore, I don't care if people like other trilogies, even the starwars prequels. I'm gonna try and stop all the bashing, because in the end, EVERYONE here is gonna just end up owning all the trilogies on dvd anyway.
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About Neo's blindness... In the first movie he can see while in the Matrix, but when he leaves the Matrix into Zion, his eyes won't open initially because they hurt. Morpheus says, "because you've never used them." Morpheus suggests that while in the Matrix, Neo has been blind. Later, in Revolutions, he is blinded in the world of Zion, but can still see in the Matrix. This juxtaposition with the first movie suggests that perhaps Zion is the constructed world, or that both worlds are not real. I know that the movie leaves more obvious clues (which I believe is purposeful misdirection) suggesting the reality of Zion, but you have to work through the subtleties. Allow me to continue.
First the color scheme of the movie. As we all know, blue represents fake while red is real (this is borrowed by the W bros from Alice in Wonderland). In the first movie, they don't even use these colors (except for the pills) because the audience is not meant to know what is or is not real. As we see the next 2 movies, more is understood. Neo wears blue while in Zion, as does Trinity and Bane, whereas Morpheus wears red. This is not because Morpheus is the captain because other captains wear blue and other non-captains wear red. When he makes the big cave speech in Reloaded, he is in bright red while the elder councilman who introduces him is in blue. This same councilman speaks to Neo when neither of them can sleep (note that this is right after Morpheus says "Goodnight Zion", and that Neo is never really sleeping in any of the movies) and leads him to the basement where there are only machines and they feel more comfortable. In Revolutions, the color logic continues, look for it.
When Trinity breaks through the literal/figurative clouds of her world, she sees the bright BLUE sky above her. Right after this symbolic recognition of the limits of her world, she dies and knows that Neo cannot bring her back this time, because she no longer has a purpose.
Zion not being real can account for the fact that Trinity and Neo are programs, that they die once they've served their purpose, that Neo retains his powers in Zion, that Zion could have been rebuilt 5 times already at the center of the Earth, that Smith can port over as Bane, that the train system can shuttle between worlds, etc etc.
Also, note that Morpheus's last line is "Is this real?". Significant... That Zion is not real doesn't necessarily mean there is a world higher than it. This explains the phrase "perception defines reality". Both of the worlds are constructs, created by the perceptions of its members. When one doesn't accept the world they are in, they shuttle back to the other (ie. Cypher back to the Matrix, Morpheus to Zion). At the end, though, Morpheus doesn't accept Zion either, so where this goes is left to the audience.
The W bros have made the movie with an ending meant to fool some into thinking a certain way (that Zion is real, or that the movie is Christian rather than a Christian in Buddhist's clothing), but they allow for reflection of it that will take many viewings.
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For Godssake someone please tell me what the last line from Morpheus is. Spare me indecency of a sitting. I just want a good laugh! Never, I repeat NEVER has a series gone sooooo downhill. I'd rather be forced Clockwork Orange-style to repeated viewings of Halle as Catwoman outtakes then sit through another of these Giglis of sci-fi....
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Assure me that at least one of these boneheaded characters dies(ahem, Morpheus)......
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Ok, its just a movie, but why does it hurt so much? I am the biggest Matrix fan and I was praying to god that all negetive reviews were false or exaggrated. When I finally got to see revolutions, believing that the Wachoski bros would not sell out{like morpheus believing in the one} in conlusion to the matrix and reloaded both which
I loved. I was devastated when it was all over. What happened?! So many questions not answered. Things that was explain seemed to be just an easy out. Why did the bros turn their back on what made the Matrix a hit. The martial arts and the gun battles which was almost non existant in revolutions. The battle for Zion was great, but after 10 minutes got real redundant. Why was it so easy for morpheus, trinty and serif to be able the get neo from frenchie and his wall climbing possey. Frenchie seems to be a heavy hitter in reloaded but turn out to be a pussy in revolution. Why they did not show the agent dealing with smith? Where's bullet time.? Where Wo ping influnce? Why is Smith behaving like skeletor? Why is the battle for Zion feels like star wars, aliens, star ship troopers..? Why niobe was Han solo flying the millineum falcon? Where's morpheus? WHY?why?y? There are many more whys but I'm too tired to bring them up now. Matrix was in the verge of being the greatest scifi,action movie ever product, but it was not to be. Why? because some where beteewn reloaded and revolution someone forgot about story and character development and sticking to what works. -
Remember, way back in Reloaded, when The Oracle is talking to Neo about programs being deleted, because they screw up or get replaced by newer versions or whatever? She points out the birds and other minutea, and explains to Neo that there has to be a program written to control the birds, the wind, etc. So in the end of Revolutions, the Oracle asks Sati if she's responsible for the beautiful Sunrise and she says yes, she did it for Neo. So, now Sati is a program with a job. She controls the sun, or sunrises, or the sky or whatever. Basically she's got a purpose now, so she doesn't need to be deleted. She's ther to do what she's there to do. Not necessarily some super being or future Trinity or The One. Just my take on it anyway.
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was I the only one that groaned at the sappy lines in the scene with the link kid opening the bay doors? Other than that & a few other small gripes I liked it quite a bit. The original is still by far the best though.
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Honestly, I didn't give a damn what the frenchie was saying in that damn club scene. All I heard was "cause, effect, cause, effect, wait, didn't I already say this dialoge in the second movie?". Gyro-captain (Mad Max referrence) was an enjoyable but worthless addition. And that one captain for the humans named Mifune?! What the hell?! Now when kids hear of the Toshiro they'll go, "hey that guy has the name as the dude in the Matrix! That's just sad. Another thing, why does every hero in western society have to be some Christ figure? SPOILER ALERT FOR THE REST OF THIS TALKBACK STARTING NOW!!! When Neo dies you saw that cross on his chest as well as I did. First it is karma, then this? Talk about a shot at international appeal. Although some died, I feel the ending was a cop out of the whole destiny thing. The first movie said we had a destiny and Neo's destiny was to be the one. We learned in the second it was Zion's destiny to fall and it was Neo who somehow played a part in this. But then Zion didn't fall, it didn't complete the cycle the Architect told Neo of. Maybe I'm misinformed, maybe I missed something while thinking the Architect looked like Colonel Sanders. One final note, those robots looked like the machinery from Aliens and it was almost as if the warriors of of Zion were saying in one voice, "get away from Zion you bitch!"
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I can't believe the raves I'm reading on this site pertaining to 'REVOLUTIONS'! I saw the film myself before logging on to see what others thought of it, and I was completely shocked. Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the reviews here (Quint, Harry) are so in favor of a movie that had many, many obvious flaws.
Before I continue, let me just state that "I LOVE THE MATRIX!". I love the themes, the tone, the characters. I made excuses for 'RELOADED' when others were shredding it. But 'REVOLUTIONS' gave me nothing to defend in what could have been one of my favorite film serials. Okay, where to start?
I was almost-- no,wait-- really embarrassed by the dialogue, which made no attempts at being original. It's not a good sign when you can guess,verbatim, what a character will say before it leaves their lips. I wasn't looking for Mamet-styled dialogue, but the exchange between characters was just uninspired. And "things never/do
change" quote that Morpheus and Niobe use countless times, now makes me cringe. It's no wonder they broke up, boring repetetive conversation.
The pacing of the film, which I beleive is a price to pay if you want to enjoy a "thinking man's" action film, was severly unbalanced. Most scenes, including the action, were overdrawn. The theater where I saw the film was packed (on a Wednesday at 2pm!), and there were several times the audience shared a collective restless fidget. Something the Brothers W. should know by now, is subtext. Instead of Neo walking around asking questions, try having the questions come up during a scene where the characters may already be involved in another situation, something to hold the viewers interest while the obligatory exposition is being relayed (and I don't mean baking cookies). Example: Darth Vader and Luke are in a duel to the death on Bespin, all the while revealing the ultimate truth that Vader is Luke's father; a perfect scene, right? Now imagine that same scene if Luke and Vader were just standing in a room together and the same information was revealed? It's not nearly as exciting or entertaining or memorable. Get the idea?
Probably the biggest problem I had with this film was the lack of
screentime the main characters shared. Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus were the heroes that drew me to this series more than anything else. I enjoy contemplating the philosophy of the Matrix, but moreover, I enjoy seeing how these characters deal with that philosophy. In 'REVOLUTIONS', what I saw was Neo stuck in limbo, then off- camera "meditating", then flying a ship. Trinity had some fair moments on screen, until they killed her off. That was the filmmakers' decision, which I respect, however, the scene was geared to inflict even more pain into Neo, which it did; Until he forgot all about it for the remainder of the film. I felt a loss because she was a great character, but I didn't so much feel Neo's loss because I couldn't be conviced that they were truly in love. The sex scene in 'RELOADED' didn't do it for me, I guess. Getting back to screentime though, Morpheus was the most neglected character in the whole movie. I know you remember how regal and intelligent he came off in the original 'The Matrix' when he spoke of his belief in "The One" and his passion for the future. Do you remember that Morpheus? I think everyone else forgot. Instead he was demoted to the rank of ensign co-pilot for Niobe. At the end of "RELOADED", Morpheus had been put through Hell (again), having his ship destroyed and being told that Neo was not "The One" he thought he was. I could not wait for the final installment to see Morpheus deal with his world being turned upside down. Instead, he just flew around the tunnels upside down, with Niobe barking orders. The shaky camera really added to the intensity, don't you think?What a waste of great pathos. The battle for Zion was entertaining, but would have been great if some of the principle characters could have been there to add some emotional weight. Did you really honestly care what Link's wife and her friend were up to? I would have cared more if we had gotten to know them before the camera followed them around for ten minutes. If the final battle between Smith and Neo hadn't been so drawn out, Link's wife could have possibly gotten top billing. If that doesn't bother you, you must be watching 'The Matrix' film for a different reason.
If it's the special effects that you paid to see, then... "Congratulations! You are the big winner". By now though, CG should be a byproduct of a story that SHOULDN'T steal the thunder of the ACTUAL story! Don't make excuses for this movie by saying that the effects were "Awesome!", hence the movie was "Awesome!". In the not-to-distant future, those same effects will look so commonplace. Then how will you describe the film?
I don't want to cover the ambiguous ending in much detail. I had hoped for some RESOLUTION by
watching 'REVOLUTIONS'. Isn't that was what most of us had paid to see? An ending? No, you get a big "THE END" followed by a "boing" sound when a question mark suddenly pops up on the screen ala 'Flash Gordon'. The thought of another 'Matrix' film is disheartening at this point.
I really hope those of you that thought 'REVOLUTIONS' was "GREAT!" will mull over what "was" and what "could have been". I don't think time will wear well on this last installment of 'The Matrix'. I really am a 'Matrix' geek like most of you, and that is why I am really, really disappointed. Unless someone can convince me (sans insults) otherwise, I have lost hope in much the same way Morpheus did when his ship blew up and he magically turned into Mr. Sulu from Star Trek.
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actually thts one reason i went to watch the movie(the other being a idle saturday aftrnoon)
and wts against the frenchguy haan ? i think he ws the saving grace :P, atleast he has more to say and to express than tht demented expression starved protogonist,yes the flyingg one ;)
.. and i think smith ws a real comic relief *laughed my butts off when he poked the wire thing into neo's eyes* and the blindman-golden-radar stuff reminded me of daredevil (thts not a very good thing to remember)and i realised you can really enjoy the movie if u imagine it to be the latest scary-movie flick.
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pal, ppl call me names for bashing the matrix2 and 3 movies ( troll etc.) but all i intend is to save fans like u from heartbreaks; i worshiped the 1st matrix movie and counted days to the 2nd and Lo! i ws cheated and thence resolved to bitch at evry mention of the movie. I can relate to you. Only that ur wound will be deeper bcoz u waited 3 movies for the knife to cut into you. i am sorry. w bros are not. fuck them. Try the therapy tht worked on me - LOTR 17-12-03
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I'm not one to come on here ond blast other peoples opinions but TheDoublePoster, that was the stupidest thing I ever heard. You are looking for things that aren't even there. When Morpheus tells Neo in the first movie that his eyes hurt because he never used them before, ITS BECAUSE HE NEVER FUCKIN USED THEM BEFORE!!! He was using his eyes for the first time after living in a pod for his whole life, thus making his eyes sensitive, not unlike a babies when they open their eyes for the first time. Quit looking for sub-text in the simplest of things. When Morpheus asks "is this real" at the end, its because he spent his whole life in a war with the machines and in search of "The One", and it is finally over. FUCK! That's all for today kids.
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...you didn't like Revolutions but wanted to. Kinda clears up all of the loose ends you may not have figured out because you were too busy trying not to take a shit in the theater. I didn't like Revolutions, either, but this helped ease the pain:
http://users.rcn.com/lisastrella/matrixrev.htm
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I like what you wrote. I felt the same while watching Reloaded and was assured (sort of) by watching Revolutions. I'd like to hear "more" or whatever. -Lino-
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Keep 'em coming. Seeing as I haven't seen the movie, I wouldn't see the conncections you're making, but if you want to put them out there then don't be afraid that somebody might not agree with you. If they have nothing better to do than to make fun of you for being in opposition to them then they're not worth your time anyway. Plus it's always good to record things for posterity.
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Nov 08, 2003 11:57:30 PM CST
I thought they were really going to keep in together in this mov
by vikingkitty
Reloaded was a terrible movie, so I had low expectations for Revolutions. Surprisingly, it looked like it was actually going to be a solid movie, until the last 15 minutes. At that point, it all fell apart.
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I'm just disappointed that the humans and machines would declare a peace. Doesn't this mean that the folks in Zion are going to give up rescuing the rest of the folks in machine city? Doesn't this mean the machines are going to give up wiping out the only possible threat to their existence? For the humans to be happy with a peace settlement - seems just odd to me. I understand being happy at not being killed - but it also comes across as a bit weak. Would the world have been happy having peace with Hitler - but knowing about all the horrible things he was doing behind the walls of his country? Nope - we knew what he was and we fought to the bitter end to wipe him out. No peace until victory. I realize it's only "temporary" since the architect mocks it, asking "how long can it last?". But still... peace... all the time invested in these movies and no one can win??? I'd personally have preferred that the machines had won than what we got. I just can't believe Morpheus and the rest of Zion could sleep easy that first night - knowing that millions of humans remain in their little tubes, having the energy sucked right out 'em. That's a tad bit more SELFISH than the premise established in the first film. They were fighting for humanity... not just Zion. Why else "jack-in"? If it wasn't for humanity... why not just hide out in Zion and don't fly your ships about - don't make the machines mad to begin with - and you'll be fine. That would have saved a lot of lives if the end result was just that - that Zion was saved - but that the rest of humanity would remain enslaved by the machines. And the machines - give me a break. Why agree to anything with Neo or, why carry out your agreement later? Once he's gone - blast Zion to slag.
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Nov 09, 2003 12:47:46 PM CST
So here it is: "The Matrix for Dummies", or "A Tutorial for the
by robofag
First, many of critics and talkbackers on the internet seem to have understood that Neo lost or was beaten by the bad guy, and more importantly that the rebels have lost their fight,considering the Matrix is still there at the end of the movie. So I guess you, FUCKTARDS, were one of those retards that were speaking too much with their pals while the movie was showing, or where jsut too high on drugs, eh? Not entirely a good thing to have your mind fucked up while watching a complex film!
The thing about the One is not that the One is somekind of all-powerful god that can reshape the Matrix and free millions of slaves at will. NEO IS THE ONE BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE TO FULLFILL THE PROPHECY. Annd he does at the end.
Neo being beaten/destoyed by Smith? Duh! Don't know where you saw that, or on what drugs you were when seeing the movie, but Neo just slams Smith the whole way to Hell! It's just that considering Smith has copied the Oracle's code, it makes him able to control the Matrix in some ways, but on the other hand, Neo is able to hack the Matrix's code,making him always more powerful, so it turns out both of those guys are invincible and none is more powerful than the other. So in that case, what's the only way to destroy an invinsile program that's just as powerful as you are? You become him and you wait for the goddam Source to dismantle you (or to dismantle the Smith code that is in you). Get it? So just as it is said by the hindu guy at the beginning of the movie, agents have to face deletion by the Source when they are freed, for they represent a menace for the integrity of the Matrix. But some people or agents can escape from the Source, and they become freaks, powerful freaks, and that's exactly what happened to Smith. So the only way Smith (and his copies) could be dismantled is to bring him straight to the Source, in the real world! And what happened to Neo after that? Well it's not that obvious that he's dead. Probably he's just fallen unconscious just as he did at the end of Reloaded, and so the "Chevy Van" robot just brought him up back to Zion (a courtesy of the Source!). But even if he's dead, then he just died as a winner... sacrifying his life for a greater good. ------ So then how could the rebels have won and the prophecy been fulfilled if the Matrix and the machines are still there? Because the rebel's victory is about saving Zion definitely and (less importantly) freeing the all the slaves (or some of them) from the Matrix. So that's just the way things happen at the end: the robots are in peace with humans, they will no longer try to destroy Zion; and the Source (just as it is confirmed by the Architect) will let people be freed from the Matrix (and I guess they'll still be given the choice between the red pill and the blue pill). Is there an insurance that the Source will hold its promise? Do machines makes promises? NO! THE SOURCE WILL DO IT CAUSE IT'S A FREAKIN MACHINE THAT OBEYS ONLY TO LOGIC! Promises are for humans. That's the whole point of that last pleasant line from the Architect, the "what do you think I am, human?" thing. Only humans are able to dishonor an engagement, because they are not entirely rational, at times they follow their greed, so that's why they do promises. When a machine takes an engagement (read "command"), it will follow it with no questions. The only reason why the machines were on a war to extinct mankind is because mankind was cancer for them, while being their power sources. But Neo has shown the Source that a peaceful symbiosis between Man and Machine was possible, so the Source bought the whole thing, at the condition of eradicating that annoying virus called "Smith". End of the line. --------- I know, of course, the Matrix Revolutions is not the second coming of Jesus H. Christ. It would have been a masterpiece if it were'nt for the incredibly dull dialogue scenes (that "Thank you... thank you." line Neo says after Niobe tells that she believes in him was so ridiculous that everyone in the theater laughed out loud! I mean, what was THAT??? I want that crap removed on the DVD!!! And please shorten that awful Neo/Trinity dialogue when Trinity dies!), the way Neo is stupidly injured at the eyes (wich serve only the purpose of giving Neo this whole "sonar vision" thing, wich was irrelevant itself, after all), and for Reloaded, which looks like a totally useless movie now. At the end of the line it's a good sci-fi flick that kinda saves the trilogy from sinking, while it does'nt do much more than serving this purpose. And the Wachowsky bros could have found some more interesting ways to save it. Kinda feels more like Attack of the Clones... a movie that, while having some fanstastic moments (the whole part on Tatooine semmed great to me)is terribly corrupted by horribly dull and misguided scenes (think of the whole part on Naboo). Well, Matrix 3 is about the same thing as that. A great effort that suffers from directing problems. *****This post was a courtesy of Robofag, the queer among robots.***** -
This was one of the most disappointing, ill conceived movie that I have seen in a long time. The plot holes were so big, you can't see around them........that is ...if you have the ability to think and reason! SAVE YOUR MONEY, STAY AWAY FROM REVOLUTIONS!
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Read this site I put up as an explanation to what happened and tell me what you think: http://skyline_10.tripod.com/index.html The basic conclusions are: The end of the movie is tragic not happy, Neo and Trinity are programs, everyone in the Matrix dies at the end, Neo is not the traditional Jesus (his predecessors are), Merovingian is the first One and Persephone is the first Trinity, the cycle of matrices is over, Zion is NOT REAL.
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Well well you could hope for a lawsuit against me if I were american, but considering that I'm a citizen of a country (Canada) in wich the term "fucktard" has been legally approved as public domain since 1983, you can't do anything about it, WhahAhaHa! Just have a look into our constitution, right under the article about gay wedding among robots, you'll see it's true. To make a brief history of it, it was first pronouced by the Minister Bob Leboll during a session in the House of Commons, and the other ministers and opposition deputees formally declared the term as being "too cool", so they made it official in 1983, after some paperwork and a few government sponsored researches. But that was just before they reavealed their plans of taking out the Montreal Alouettes as a conspiracy move against separatism! But THEY FAILED!!! But as a consolation on Robofag's behalf, here's your quarter... 1/4 ******This 1/4 was given as a courtesy of Robofag, the greatest of all gay cyborgs!******
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Talk about bummed out. I remeber reading that at the end of the film the rain became the 'green code' of the matrix.
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The only reason so many critics and people seem to be bashing Revolutions is because they simply dont get it...thats the beauty of the Matrix, in that it takes repeat viewings to truly grasp the depth of it...I cant wait to be able to sit and watch the trilogy in its entirety and enjoy the continuity of the story...and the continuity is extremely well thought out...I cant wait for people to start putting up web pages to debate the symbolism of the final moments of Revolutions...when Neo finally defeats Agent Smith, that scene alone is so filled with religious overtures and symbolism, its going to take several viewings for me to take it all in...did anyone else notice that when Neo's body erupts in blinding golden light, a cross forms on his chest...a perfectly distinguishable crucific...or the sacrifice of Trinity, a fairly ballsy move on the part of the Wackowski's...even Neo's apparent sacrifice at the end...when Neo is being taken away on the floating machine something or other...the movie doesnt conclusively state if Neo is dead, or if perhaps he becomes immortal within the confines of the Matrix...even the symbolism of the little girl, the bipolar conflict within the machine world between order/precision and the spiritual and human side of things...I dont know, I totally enjoyed Revolutions, and also find Reloaded to be a more satisfying movie having now seen the conclusion.
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Nov 11, 2003 2:21:12 AM CST
I guess I thought Gigili sucked because I don't "understand" it.
by rupee88
too bad I'm not smart like you matrix lovers. Then I could like the movie too. I guess I'm just not as brilliant as you. I thought I didn't like Revolutions because it was a piece of shit movie, but now I guess it's just because i'm dumb and don't understand it.
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Thank goodness for that. Agent Smith is just a fantastically cool villain, Hugo Weaving rocks. And kudos to the star of the film; Monica Belucci's cleavage. Oscar-worthy. Monica Belucci's cleavage, I honour you with a one-gun salute.
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Nov 11, 2003 7:48:53 AM CST
Did anyone else see that nipple cripple in the rave scene
by theaquabatman
Every moment in this movie and its predecessors was eyecandy eyecandy eyecandy heaven. And the gratuitous cleavage - can never bee too much of that.
All you critics just need more time for it to sink in. Awwwwww, It's not so bad... once you get to know it.
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Nov 11, 2003 10:28:22 PM CST
Aftermath of the Revolution... OR the Wack Brothers Raped My Lat
by devil'sown
We loves the Matrixes! But we hates the endings!! It's been a few days, I deliberately waited so I could sort out my feelings and brace myself for the scathing maelstrom that is a Matrix talkback. I also decided to come here to be inspired, and stay away from Harry's whack-ass review. And I am still thinking, What the Hell was that?! We 'sposed to thank our lucky stars that the movie didn't end with little Tommy Anderson's moms tellin' him to come down to dinner? I was SO with this movie, right up until the end! And yeah, I did go into the movie in the "right" frame of mind: This is a big-budget, special-effects crammed, action/scifi franchise "event". Don't fucking go into it looking for some profound truth, don't overanalyze the damned thing. Yes, there were some BRILLIANT, beautiful technical achievements, and truly thrilling moments. Smith was used to great, menacing effect. Niobe proved herself to be an ace pilot. The mechas were just WOW(I want one 'o THOSE bad boys for Christmas)! And... the ultimate Neo/Smith fight was like live action anime (and even that didn't conclude right for me). Throughout the thing, though, there was this pervasive sense of "No goddamn way is this going to end well!" I was prepared for Neo, the Blind Hero, but Trinity dying, that Judeo-Christian climax, and the programs chatting in the park at the end kinda jerked the rug out from under me! Aaaannd... what? Peace between humans and the machines? Hooray! The Zionites can have another rave in their busted-ass basement and use the dead squiddies for bongs!!! Anybody else feel like this mutha could use ANOTHER sequel? IIIII... dunno. After all the build up, it just didn't end right (I'm with you GreyElf-RELOADED, they COULD'VE rocked this biznitch even harder). I guess I was expecting closure. Stupid me. Can't expect the Wahoochies to lay it all out for you. Morpheus had little to do, except stand around and act faithful, which really chafed me. In the span of 3 movies he went from enigmatic, capable mentor, to worried-looking Jehovah's Witness. There was tragedy in this film in more ways than one, y'heard? "IT IS DONE," indeed. Many people here have said ( and much better than myself, I think; nice break-down Louis Cyphre), that the movie just didn't follow through on the promise of the original. I ain't mad at ya Wachowsi Bros. Perhaps I'll enjoy it a little more when I see it again someday. And to all the haters, piss off (where the hell does that bitchyloser Grimloch get off calling ANYBODY a "nerdling"??). THIS fan is not defending the movie. I wish I could say more positive things. In ways, it was a superior film compared to Reloaded. In other ways, it was thematically inferior to the original. Johnny Suede, your posts are, hands down, the funniest shit I have ever read!
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Matrix = a science
LOTR = a story
LOTR = tells a story to win audience, hence, oscar
Matrix = tells a story NOT to win audience, hence, NO oscar
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