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THE PUNISHER trailer is incredibly awful.
Hey folks, Harry here... Ok, so there've been some nice stills recently for THE PUNISHER. The poster was pretty fucking cool. However, sadly... the trailer just is ass. As it started, I was pleasantly happy with seeing Roy Scheider, who has been absent far too long from the silver screen. However, FLORIDA looks terrible for this movie and character. I mean, wearing all black, big overcoat... in Florida? Um, it's an Upper East Coast Superhero outfit. Pastel colors need to be in Don Johnson flicks, not THE PUNISHER. And what's up with Travolta's staccatto line delivery? And Thomas Jane looking a bit too... Christopher Lambert, only... with better line delivery. SO - does this mean the film will suck? I HOPE NOT. Personally, I'd love nothing more than for Marvel's streak to continue, and from what I heard last time Avi and i talked, MONTHS AGO... He made it out that this film was a very heavy R-rated film, and often times... that's quite difficult to show in a "FOR ALL AUDIENCES" trailer. The bad Metal Music from like 3 years ago also didn't help things, but... again, that could be a trailer choice and have NOTHING TO DO with the movie whatsoever. But damn that's a scary bad trailer. They're putting this clunker on MATRIX REVOLUTION? That's suicide.
Ya know... Maybe Dolph wasn't so bad after all?
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this trailer was NOT.
Anyone else thinks he looks a lot like a young Christopher Lambert?? Especially in the early scene on the trailer. -
What's with the bad sound. Especially on Travolta's bit.
Bad trailer like this = Bad film.
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Nov 04, 2003 4:06:03 AM CST
Think it looked like a sub-par forgettable action flick
by gheorghe zamfir
Not really horrible, but nothing I'd bother with. Though the title, The Punisher, sounds uber-cheesy the way the voice over introduces it, it sounds like those vague "tough" sounding titles given to straight-to-video action flicks.
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Yeah you got a skull on a black T-shirt. But the location is awful. Being a long time Marvel fan, I know what the look and feel of the Punisher should be and I am not even a fan. Far from it. But jesus the southern locale for this movie is all wrong. The Punisher is urban. The Punisher is gritty and dark. The Punisher kills people in dank alleys, not pristine beaches and warehouses on the coast. This looks like an awful movie. God help us all.
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it doesnt look that bad...i just hope they can pull off the pain and anger of punisher...anyway, i swear if i hear that awful drowning pool song in a movie/trailer one more time i'm going to fucking kill someone...
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I mean, come on people, it's only The Punisher. I've shat out better heroes than him.
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Surprised I didn't see a big air boat/swamp buggy chase sequence.
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It's Marvel innit? Er. Listen, the batting average is still good. Spidey, Hulk and X Men were spot on - even Dardevil wasn't too bad (and Bullseye was freakin hilariously good). I just don't care that much about the Punisher. Seems to me he's one of those characters (or caricatures) you really have to be a fan Boy to get off on.
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See that one shot where Frank Castle bashes that guy's head against the railing, except it goes nowhere NEAR the railing? Gotta love frame-by-frame. Anyhow, I'm still unsure why this project was pursued, seeing as it has the same damn plot as every other revenge film from the 80s. Alright, to be fair there were shots here and there from the trailer that looked nice, and I got the sense that the family's murder will be intense, but overall I smell a sub-par flick in the making... but one I'm going to see regardless.
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are we going to fall for that 'I'm a huge fan/the biggest fan' bullcrap these directors pull on us. I'd rather have someone who'd never read the them before like Singer. We need a fresh perspective, someone who'll realise what things are organic and cannot be changed.
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it doesnt even look like a punisher movie, they should have taken death wish or something from the 80s and put a cgi skull on the lead characters chest and called it "the punisher", or hell put a cgi skull on dolphs chest,.
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Nov 04, 2003 5:02:05 AM CST
After two kickass volumes of Kill Bill, who needs a return to re
by exit272
If the supporting role of a villian in a movie like this is all Travolta can get these days, what more proof do you need that the man has destroyed his career yet again. This is the kind of thing that should go direct to video.
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Wait Wait Wait!!! "Punisher" is not very good? How did that happen? It had Thomas Jane, fresh from "Original Sin", "Dreamcatcher", and "The Sweeest Thing"...it has John Travolta...who brought us "Battlefield Earth" and "Domestic Disturbance".....and it is directed my the man who wrote "Die Hard 3", "Armageddon" and "The Saint"!!!! HOW THE HELL COULD QUALITY HAVE BEEN MISSED WITH SUCH BRILLIANT TALENT POOLED TOGETHER ON ONE MASSIVE PROJECT????? ARE YOU GONNA TELL ME THAT A WRITER CAN MIS-FIRE ON HIS FIRST FILM????? DO YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE THAT WITH SIX CREDITED WRITERS, 14 UNCREDITED WRITERS, AND 12 LISTED PRODUCERS THAT THE FILM MAY NOT BE COMPETITION FOR "CITIZEN KANE"???????? IT'S GOT A DEAD CINEMATOGRAPHER LISTED! THAT CAN ONLY MEAN GOLD!!!! YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET INTO YOUR HEADS!!!! THIS IS GENIUS MATERIAL AT WORK HERE!!! YOUR SUPPOSED TO FILL YOUR MOUTHS WITH TUBS OF POPCORN AND PAY TWICE TO SEE THIS!!!!! STUDIO CHIEFS NEED NEW SUV's PEOPLE...GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND RUN RUN RUN TO THE THETERS AND WAIT IN LINE LIKE A FRENZIED ZOMBIE!!!!!!...And thus, I got my life savings ready! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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I've learned not to judge movies from the trailer but that looked like 'Direct-to-Video' shit. Horrible setting, horrible voiceover (not Jane, the Movie Voice guy) and some horrible action scenes cut to the same damn rock song that has played in a million other trailers. Speaking of which, why do they insist on using the same fucking song in every trailer? It's been on Jason X, Daredevil and now this.
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just watched the trailer for the Punisher, to me it doesnt look bad but then again it doesnt look great, still not convinced by whats-his-face playing Frank Castle. I hope the film is more violent coz thats what the Punisher is all about, Violence and lots of it.
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The Punisher isn't even that good of a character to begin with...he works in the comics, but I can't imagine anyone making a great Punisher movie. The actor they chose is all wrong too...I saw him in Dreamcatcher and he just isn't badass enough.
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Sometimes AICN talkbacks give me hope for the human race...and sometimes despair. But this time, I'm glad to see that everyone has some brains and have pointed out everything wrong with this trailer and this film....the casting, the locale, the costume, the music, the acting, etc, etc. There's no way I will see this..not even on video. Maybe I'll download it for free and fast forward through it and see if it has even one marginally entertaining scene, but I kind of doubt it.
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"The Punisher" had it all: Brandon Lee, Scary-Dude-Tagawa, Louis Gosset Jr., hot ninja lady and a showdown at Little Tokyo? Nah... just pullin' ya leg =)
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Seriously, most boring fucking comic out there, and now the dumbest fucking idea for a comic2film. I mean, c'mon, his family gets killed so he hunts down the mafia family that did it [yawn]. The fuck is extraordinary about that, the fuck is noteworthy or special? That's every Death Wish every Van Damme movie right there. I'd like to see the film about the guy that didn't take revenge, became an alcoholic and then blows his head off-now that's interesting. This shit is by the numbers. This is like me filming my cat taking a shit-yeah, 20 bucks says that'll pack the house more than this turd. Throw in some sex, nudity and some biracial action with the dog and you've got a blockbuster.
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Looks really really really bad! Painful! Whoever made that trailer needs to be PUNISHED! I have seen direct to video trailers that were more exciting then that...It starts out wrong!! Anymovie with the guy from Jaws and John Travolta is just screaming BAD! Can't wait to see the vicious blurbs for this one!
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And that trailer was ass, too. Does it have something to do with the song? Or is it just that both movies suck?
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so lemme get this straight, he FINDS a punisher shirt??? Of all the lame ass costume creating stunts...
I don't trust anything travolta does anymore since his scientology ways have corrupted his mind, thomas jane looks like he worked out for the role, but something about that trailer lacked punisher substance,
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I've tried to maintain some hope in this film, but it keeps getting harder. For once, I agree with Harry - this trailer leads me to believe "The Punisher" has been replaced by an episode of "Miami Vice". The very fact that Drowning Pool's song is used in the trailer was enough to send up a big red flag, but the scenery seals it - this looks bad.
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The Punisher has not been cool since they changed his original look (from back in his first appearances). It's all about the skull. It was a brilliant design, the way the skull's eyes fit over his pecs and the cartridges in his belt formed the teeth. I'll never understand why they changed the skull to look like a freaking golf tee! I mean, you can hardly tell that it's a skull sometimes!
(Castle's pointy eyebrows and receding hairline were distinctive too.)
I'm talking the original, not the bucktoothed skull
http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/Punisher/PunisherWJGun.gif
Just look at the painted cover of MARVEL PREVIEW #2. It's one of the best covers ever done.
http://www.thepunisher.com/magazines/marvel_preview/marvel_preview_presents_2.jpg
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Ok well im someone who didnt realy care for the Punisher as a comic book and im a DC guy so i can say my opinon is pretty unbiased but it didnt look that bad..Sure it looks like every 80's revenge flick with an updated gloss, sure it has John T doing his carbon copy bad guy acting that hes done since Face Off, Sure it had a overplayed song in its soundtrack, Sure we are seeing a glut of cranked out Marvel movies thats looks like a big time decline in quality, sure it has a sappy back story that i guess it supposed to draw a bit of the chick flick crowd, Sure i saw this movie when I played Max Payne......Wait what did I say..Yes it looked THAT bad! But for some reason it didnt..But i really doubt ill be seeing it in the theaters
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Nov 04, 2003 7:45:55 AM CST
WOW Mystique makes an appearance in this flic!!! the trailer loo
by jon-e-blaze
maybe the finished product will be better
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I winced with pain at least twice watching that trailer.
All of you who have said "well it doesnt look too bad" are no doubt the sort of brainless Limp Bizkit-heads who thought 2 Fast 2 Furious was entertaining. ie the target demographic for this embarrassment in film-making.
Actually I think the trailer is useful in a way, in that it nicely sums up everything that is wrong with popular cinema. Dumbed down, throwaway... *worthless*.
Enjoy your popcorn, heh.
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Why the fuck a trailer with shit music like that? It's bad enough his PUNISHER has Miami settings. And seeing Travolta do his usual hammy snarling bit is not helping matters either.
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That is all I have to say.
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Way to go Cookie! sk
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Seems to me that they've made the classic Punisher mistake: thinking that the character is even remotely interesting. What makes Garth Ennis' current run on the comic work is that he realises that the guy's ridiculously flat and one-dimensional, but still fun, because you can put him in any situation. And above all, keep it funny. When I heard they would base the movie on Ennis' first year, I actually had high hopes for this. But the trailer's utterly dashed them. Welcome back in another ten years or so, Frank.
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I'd like to remain optimistic about this one, but man that trailer was almost PAINFUL. I mean, the only thing a Punisher movie has to offer is some good action, but did you guys see one shot in that trailer that looked "kickass"? And like that other talkbacker said....he FINDS his shirt?! I think Marvel needs to stop with the movies for a while.
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Do you think THE HULK was considered a success? That was one of the big flops of the summer. And now this? Travolta in "ham it up" mode ala BATTLEFIELD EARTH is never a good thing.
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... Thomas Jane looks damn good with his shirt off!
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I agree that something are disagreeable in this trailer. Foremost The Catles died in a park, on a picnic. Even if they wanted to update it it shouldn't have been in the tropics. Thats lame. And Thomas Jane is a decent action star. Deep Blue Sea proves that. But in turn he also eminates this Chris Lambert thing that makes me want to throw up Mortal Kombat all over again. The few points that do keep my pulse pounding for this flick are The Russian, The Shot of Frank with the Paper cutter blade(defiantely see The Russians Death coming. As well as the many Car chase shots. Let hope Man-Thing has better results in the Trailer department. HAHAHAHA
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Awesome ... NOT. Back to the crappy Miami Vice 80s or what? Bah. And that shitty song ruined the Jason X trailer too.
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Anyone who saw Ray Liotta in Narc knows what I'm talking about.. minus the big beard and give Ray some workout time and you're two steps away from a real punisher...
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I thought it was a pretty effective trailer. I liked that it opened slow & happy, like a trailer for a romantic comedy, before switching gears. A lot of the shots showed a good visual sensibility. Thomas Jane's voiceover earned him the benefit of the doubt (even though I will always think this was Liotta's role). And, yeah, maybe the music choice left something to be desired, but all things considered the trailer could have been a lot worse. I didn't even mind the Cookie Monster-voice guy: at least it wasn't the same movie trailer voice we he hear *every single time*. As for the Florida setting, I say, "Why not?" Let's face it, guys, the Punisher lurking in dark back alleys and shooting muggers is a little...I don't know, obvious? (see: every vigilante movie ever made) Let's see if the new environment brings anything interesting to the equation. Maybe it'll work and maybe it won't, but I'm gonna suspend judgment until I actually see the movie.
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I guess I'm the only person around here who thought The Punisher could be made into a smart, engaging, entertaining, GOOD movie. I have been waiting for just such a treatment of the character since the Grant/Zeck limited series in 1986. Unfortunately, the MOTHERFUCKERS who made this thing are even more clueless than the guys who made the Lundgren film, which I actually still enjoy watching. I'm witholding my ultimate judgement until the movie comes out. I owe the history of my favorite comic book character that much. I really enjoyed it, growing up. But, I have a feeling that the Lundgren PUNISHER will be the only one that gets repeat viewings.
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Nov 04, 2003 12:05:38 PM CST
ITS NOT BAD AT ALL, YA FUCKIN TARDS ,JEEZUS yknow im getting sic
by juxtapoze
d of fuckin you 35 year old goofballs whining about this shit when you should be enjoying it. ok im done
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...isn't the change of locale , the stupid costume change , the fact that he's too young , that he's a cop and not a soldier...ok , fine , so all of that pisses me off but the BIGGEST THING THAT I HATE ABOUT THIS MOVIE: They changed his motivation! In the comics , his family ACCIDENTLY walks into a mob hit. It's a senseless act of RANDOM violence. RANDOM! Wrong place , wrong time. In this movie , his family is targetted for death. Not only is that a huge cliche but it also takes some of the pain out of it. The sheer randomness of losing his family causes Castle's break with reality. Since he doesn't know WHO killed his family specifically , he decides to go out and kill EVEY SINGLE CRIMINAL HE RUNS ACROSS. In the movie , he knows EXACTLY who killed his family. So where's his motivation to KEEP killing after Travolta's character dies? The Punisher's origin is a classic , similar to Spidey's: they are both spurred to action by random acts of violence against those they love.
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...isn't the change of locale , the stupid costume change , the fact that he's too young , that he's a cop and not a soldier...ok , fine , so all of that pisses me off but the BIGGEST THING THAT I HATE ABOUT THIS MOVIE: They changed his motivation! In the comics , his family ACCIDENTLY walks into a mob hit. It's a senseless act of RANDOM violence. RANDOM! Wrong place , wrong time. In this movie , his family is targetted for death. Not only is that a huge cliche but it also takes some of the pain out of it. The sheer randomness of losing his family causes Castle's break with reality. Since he doesn't know WHO killed his family specifically , he decides to go out and kill EVEY SINGLE CRIMINAL HE RUNS ACROSS. In the movie , he knows EXACTLY who killed his family. So where's his motivation to KEEP killing after Travolta's character dies? The Punisher's origin is a classic , similar to Spidey's: they are both spurred to action by random acts of violence against those they love.
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...isn't the change of locale , the stupid costume change , the fact that he's too young , that he's a cop and not a soldier...ok , fine , so all of that pisses me off but the BIGGEST THING THAT I HATE ABOUT THIS MOVIE: They changed his motivation! In the comics , his family ACCIDENTLY walks into a mob hit. It's a senseless act of RANDOM violence. RANDOM! Wrong place , wrong time. In this movie , his family is targetted for death. Not only is that a huge cliche but it also takes some of the pain out of it. The sheer randomness of losing his family causes Castle's break with reality. Since he doesn't know WHO killed his family specifically , he decides to go out and kill EVEY SINGLE CRIMINAL HE RUNS ACROSS. In the movie , he knows EXACTLY who killed his family. So where's his motivation to KEEP killing after Travolta's character dies? The Punisher's origin is a classic , similar to Spidey's: they are both spurred to action by random acts of violence against those they love.
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Plus how he got the uniform was erased. Castle went jail for killing some mobsters, and while in prison he was recruited by a rival mob to be a hitman. The uniform was worn by Jigsaw's crew which Castle was given when he joined then he turned against the mob who hired him.
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It looks pretty faithful to me (although I'd love to get a better look at the Russian). I'd put it in the Blade 2 category. But far below DD and X-Men at the box office.
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Complete with a cliche hero screaming "NOOOOO" when his family dies. Tomas Jane Segal is "Out for a Kill" -
But this? I don't know...
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I didn't think it was that bad.
For those of you panicking about it being set near the beach and everything it is possible that after his family dies the film switches locations.
I must admit though Castle finding the shirt does seem a bit silly.
I viewed the trailer without sound so I actually have no idea what it sounds like but it looks cool.
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You naysayers shame me. Jane is going to be awesome in this movie. If it looks like a cheap Segal movie at least it will have a better actor. Finding the T-shirt on the beach was a little cheap but not out of the Relm of possiblity. What if a Biker, an individual who would typically wear a shirt with things such as skulls ahd it speically made. MAybe he was at the beach...ooo a biker at the beach that would never happen, then maybe the winbd picked it up and blew it out to sea. Then maybe it washed a shore sitting there fading in the sun waiting. Fatefully being picked up by a man out for revenge... You all are a bunh of lame ass punks...wait till it comes out before you whine...
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Nov 04, 2003 2:14:25 PM CST
Schwarzenegger in ERASER & Stallone in COBRA or THE SPECIALIST??
by abking
Is it just ABking or did Arnie in ERASER (the opening in all black ninja outfit) or Sly from COBRA or his black suits in THE SPECIALIST look like THE PUNISHER? Paint the skull on them and they played that character too! When all is said and done, it is STALLONE who should have played that character regardless of how popular he is. People and fans would eat it up seeing Sly reinvent himself as a new hero like Punisher. The producers of JUDGE DREDD might have fucked up that film though Sly did a good job with what he had, but Punisher was all Sly!!!
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...this doesn't look that bad. After running through the trailer a few more times, I can see how this might be pretty good. It is, after all, a comic book movie, so I can forgive it if it's a little campy/over-the-top. I just really hope that drowning pool song isn't indicative of the movie's soundtrack.
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Complain as you will, but half of you sissy boys got boners watching Thomas Jane without a shirt on (and that includes Harry).
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... I love being a turtle. Oh yes, and, the only thing that could've saved this steaming pile of cinematic feces is for Avi to have cast MICHAEL MOORE as MICROCHIP.
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From the company that fucked up the Blair Witch franchise comes the hokiest comic book adaption of the year!
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Nov 04, 2003 3:21:48 PM CST
Looks awful?? Looks awfuly cool i think is what should have been
by danzigg
Quit whining the trailer looks good, my appologies if i ain't a lemming.
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Imagine Hill doing this movie with Nolte back in the eighties. We'd be talking pure action orgasm.
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harry to say. he can't bash this flick because hes in love with avi arad
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It's pure entertainment that is easily augmented by the intake of alcoholic beverages. Thomas Jane was the only weak link the terrific cast of DREAMCATCHER and I fear that he and Travolta's downward spiral will continue with this Vice City ripoff that they're trying to pass off as the vengeful world of Frank Castle. Gimme a Wachowski Broz Punisher film with Keanu as the P. HELLBOY is the only comic book movie to see next year.
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I don't know why you gotta make fun of this trailer. Personally, I think it is good. The scene where the family gets killed is reminescent of "GLADIATOR" and alot of the revenge-taking is good, Travolta however looks like what he did in "SWORDFISH" with that slick, yet kind of dumb haircut, but I do believe if done right this could be a good action-movie and let's face it Travolta knows how to play a somewhat, subpar villian just look at the delightful, enjoyable "FACE/OFF" and the somewhat good "BROKEN ARROW." If you just give the movie a chance, I'm sure it'll literally blow us away. And why does eveyone bash "DAREDEVIL" and "HULK" personally I thought they were a whole lot better than that piece of shit "BLADE 2" ug! that thing needed to be flushed right away after all the stinkiness. I mean what's so cool about vampires killing vampires and Blade helping vampires, you know eventually in the end all of them will get killed except Blade and Whistler. It's just plain stupidness.
But all I can say to Harry is when this thing comes out and shows you how damn good it is I bet you'll be smacking yourself going "Oh shit! Oh fuck! I wish I never said that about that film. Me of a little faith..." and than Thomas Jane will come running through your door with a beretta and uzi in his hands and busts caps in your fat, flabby ass. -
The Punisher is one of the lamest characters in comics - a one trick pony who with a cool, iconic costume. Sorry, gang, but a costume just does not make a great character. I mean, look at all of this character's incarnations: how many times can you reset continuity before you realize there's nothing remotely interesting about his story or his world? The people who are really disappointed to see that this trailer sucks would probably be surprised to find out that a Cable or Bishop movie (please God, no) would suck equally as hard.
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Parts of this trailer make it look like a tired 80's action revenge flick - and those are the "best" parts of the trailer! Take a look at the haircuts on some of those hencmen as they stalk through the brush towards Frank's house to wipe out his family. This is just sick. Punisher in Florida was a piss poor idea...take him back to New York and have him do what he does best: mow down rooms full of drug dealers with dual Uzis. Seriously, it doesn't look like he fights more than two people at a time in this movie. If you want to see a real Punisher movie, see "Hard to Kill" with Steven Seagal - a vintage 80's actioner that will probably be, despite its own cheeziness, miles above this new piece that Avi is trying to shove down our throats.
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Bet that won't stop you whining fanboy-fucks from being the first in line to see it! And then after another pointless of round bitching, you'll eagarly await the arrival of the DVD of the movie you can't stand, yet can't stop talking about and supporting by spending your hard earned cash on it. JUST RELAX! IT'S JUST A TEASER TRAILER! THE MOVIE JUST WRAPPED LAST MONTH! All of you are bitching that this movie sucks...IT HASN'T EVEN COME OUT YET!!! You're basing your opinion on an underproduced teaser trailer. AND who cares where the movie's set. All of you got the location wrong anyway. It's in TAMPA, not Miami. Tampa looks nothing like Miami. Tampa looks more like LA than anything. And I don't know about you but I think LA's pretty urban or, at least, urban enough for The Punisher. The "Tropics" stuff was just for the flashbacks...So now that I've vented...See you all at the premiere!
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Nov 04, 2003 5:41:09 PM CST
HARRY, YOU BETTER GET A HOLD OF AVI ARAD AND GET SOME ANSWERS
by super cucaracha
As soon as I saw the trailer last night on Access Hollywood I had to express my anger on this site. WHY IN THE FUCK DID THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THE ORIGIN OF THE PUNISHER? WHY TAMPA AND NOT NEW YORK? WHY THE BEACH AND NOT CENTRAL PARK? WHY DID HE HAVE TO FIND THE PUNISHER T-SHIRT ON THE BEACH? I was really hoping for this to be done right. It would have been so easy to film in New York...Why change? The Punisher has a grimm, dark and tortured spirit and you make it in sunny fucking Florida?! and WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE A REGULAR T-SHIRT. ABking is right...Cobra is basically The Punisher without the fucking skull. They should have taken a page out of the Cobra character and made it right. I swear to God Harry, please get some answers for this shit and tell Avi Arad not to be such a fucking pussy. I am from California but I want New York in this. FUCK YOU AVI ARAD...FUCK YOU A MILLION TIMES MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!
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Most of you guys are a bunch of finicky schmucks. The Trailer looked pretty darn good and Thomas Jane looks to me like he might be able to pull this off. Sure if I did this thing I would have done it in a more dark Urban setting, but I will appreciate the change in scenery because not everything has to be in New York. Now that I said that, I am nervous about Travolta. He usually sucks and those two lines that were shown does not encourage me. Still I thought even the shorttrailer still captured the essence of Frank Castle. (Remeber how everyone thought Spidey was gonna suck, or when the photos of Nightcrawler or X-men uniforms were shown you all flipped, and they turned out pretty darn cool.) Oh and Daredevil was pretty good, for those of you that keep saying it sucked go and read a DC book, because you do not know Marvel and appreciate what was transferred to the screen from the books.
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get over yourselves.
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the first viewing wasnt too bad...that damn drowning pool song and that horrible scene with the guy from jaws were bad, but every trailer has its slight downfalls (except revolutions hehe)...then i saw it again, and again, and again...i think i watched it atleast 5 times...now i see what you all are talking about...florida...scientology whore...thomas jane being a few feet too small...im still holding out hope for this though
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...looks like a catcher's mitt. Is he made of Corinthian leather? or beef jerky?
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The reason this movie looks corny and stupid on-screen is because it's a CORNY AND STUPID PREMISE. Spider-man works on-screen because it's just past what could really happen. The Punisher is somebody who could exist, but no one like him has, so it seems stupid. If you've ever read any of the Punisher books, you'd realize that, yep, it's good comic book material, but not good movie material. All that said, I think this is going to be a pretty good movie adaptation, considering what they had to work with.
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Nov 04, 2003 7:02:16 PM CST
Please, that's not heavy metal, it's "nu-metal"--i.e. crap.
by andy travis
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I will have to see the movie first.
Yes. Fred Ward or Ray Liotta would have been better choices for continuity's sake.
Yes. Taking away the random violence from Frank's past may have horrible repercussions on the story.
Yes. It is important to show props for the source material and the pop culture that it represents. That's why Kal-El is not from Hoboken.
Yes. Filmmakers shouldn't be so bound by continuity that they can't experiment. But, damn it, show some respect.
Yes. This is only the trailer and not the film.
Oh yes. I will buy a ticket. Even with the artistic license already taken by the film, it's still unfair to completely flush it away. Only opening day will tell us if the filmmakers are champs or chumps.
Bottom line.
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It's funny; I get angry at Harry every time he says bad things about this movie because I want it to do well. The sad fact is, when I look at some of the stuff in this trailer, I get the same ideas he does. I have a feeling it'll be a step up from Dolph's incarnation of the Punisher if only because it's not as brainless, but Jane looks like he's in hyper-sulk mode. A lot of the scenes and dialogue ("You can't kill me...I'm already dead"?) don't smack of anything but cliche. Plus, some of the imagery looks like visual quotation of 'Blade.' Oh, and Hollywood? Please stop using that Drowning Pool song as shorthand for "badass" please.
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I could beat the shit out of that Punisher.
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Thomas Jane still holds promise. I know what I just said, but you can't really judge an acting performance until you more than two seconds of it at a time. Travolta seems more subdued than I feared he'd be, and I still don't know much about the movie. I do agree with those who think the acts of violence perpetrated on his family should have been random if they plan on making sequels, but maybe they'll just have enough integrity to not make sequels. Probably not, but one can dream.
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Nov 04, 2003 7:24:50 PM CST
every one is going overboard..apart from the music it didnt look
by slade justice
....but i fucking love the dolph one. louis gossett jr???now there is a guy who has been away from our screens for to long....not counting t.v.
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Nov 04, 2003 7:47:39 PM CST
So, the fucked my favorite Marvel character in the ass...twice.
by boris the blade
I give up.
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I never even read the comic and only knew that it existed after hearing the kids in the movie "Fresh" arguing about which book is better X-Men or The Punisher. Whoever cut this traier should be fired. Piece of SHIT.
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After proclaiming that I wanted to shoot the messenger about an hour ago, I may not be the most credible of voices, but I just re-watched the trailer on Quicktime and it wasn't incredibly awful by any stretch of the imagination. Travolta's line delivery and the cheesy dialogue still make it pretty wince-inducing, but I think the trailer's choice of music and fast editing are just the studio's attempts to make the movie seem like something that it's not. Then again, that might not be a good thing; I don't like the idea of spending $8.50 to watch a man spend two hours crying in his toolshed.
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Granted, a teaser's sole job is to get you excited about a film, which this really didn't/ But I'll wait till the full trailer before I cast this one off.
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If this movie wasn't called "The Punisher," but instead...say..."Over the Edge" or some other nondescript title - would ANYONE go see it?
Seems to me like the Marvel logo is a desperate plea...
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I'm pretty sure Max Payne's got this niche in check, though, marvel hasn't disappointed me filmwise (since Blade) yet. Though they have made me cringe every so often, (since Hulk vs Thor the t.v. Movie).
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You know, the trailer isn't that BAD, but it isn't good. What is BAD is the idea of casting Thomas Jane in this role. He is a zero on the screen. He commands the screen like a mouse commands a cat. He's as electrifying as wet compost. He's as unforgettable as what's-his-name in that crappy movie I can barely remember ...
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Jonathan Hensleigh is obviously a badass action writer, but why throw away such a beloved property (and one with such visual potential) on someone who's never directed a feature film before? It just *looks* wrong. Travolta seems to either have only bad lines to say or else it's just poor delivery on his part (will Travolta ever be in a good film again? BE COOL is shaping up to be a pile of shit). This thing should go straight to the USA Network after SILK STALKINGS re-runs.
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The people have heavy metal in mind when they made the punisher, because when you think heavy metal you think violence, aggression, and an "i dont give a fuck" mentality.. I agree that the trailer was poorly cut, I can see what they tried to do, but they should have waited for a soundtrack to the movie to be finalised and use parts of the score. Bad choice of song, I always wanted to see the intro of a Metallica song off the black album (the name of the song escapes me) but its about 30 seconds of real hard core military sounding rock.. just thought I'd throw that in at no extra charge *BAMF*
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I have a feeling it's gonna be a decent movie but a far throw from the punisher that "we" know...it'll be a half decent flick but will leave us feeling blah when we leave the theater....
Does anyone else here think that a well-made Rainbow 6 movie would be the ultimate action film?? no stupid comic relief and bs "flavor of the week" actors like SWAT...It'd be all technical "real-world" action/drama, no wire-fu and shit like that, real spec weapons, real tactics and the story is just waiting to be adapted....seriously...this needs to get made. -
What a bucket of shit. The way their throwing their properties in the toilet now is a sad state. Fucking Arad. Why don't you sell the rest of them to McDonalds and be done with it?
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side note, I see a shot of Rebecca Romjin Stamos looking like she's on all fours and rolling her eyes to the sky (of course I noticed that split second island of goodness in an ocean of putrescence.. I'm only human).. anyway my point is, I can assume that it is a sex scene, but if its Franky baby thats giving her any sort of pleasure in any way, then you might as well end it there, because his reasons for going on this "RAMPAGE" go out the window. *BAMF*
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Frank dosen't randomly find the Punisher shirt...the back story is thoroughly explained in the film, but this was the preview- you know that minute or so long thing that dosen't explain every plot point in pain staking detail.
Complain all you want, but it wouldn't hurt to get the facts straight.
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Yeah, the trailer looked like a run-of-the-mill action/revenge flick, not a Marvel flick. Spiderman was good. Daredevil was pretty crummy (Come on! Ben Assfuck as the hero?), and the Hulk sucked nuts when Banner wasn't going apeshit and busting stuff up. Hopefully The Punisher will be an improvement. And it's also possible that some of it takes place in New York. They mentioned a family reunion in the trailer. Who says he didn't travel down south to see the rest of the family? And yeah, Bodies didn't fit the trailer. I liked the music in the teaser trailer better.
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It took SPIDERMAN and X-MEN over a decade to get made. Marvel knew these novies had to be awesome. The future of the company was riding on these franchises. The had big budgets, good casts, good faithful screenplays, and great directors. And they were huge successes. I loved them both.
SO WHY ARE THEY SHOOTING THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT WITH THESE LAME, HURRIED, UNINSPIRED, ADAPTIONS? Daredevil sucked (worst casting ever and yes Bullseye sucked too) Hulk was a pretentious mess and with this new trailer PUNISHER looks to be the worst of the lot. The Punisher is a cool character with a lot of substance. Fighting a war he can't win and not caring if he does or not because it won't fill the void inside him. Take LEAVING LAS VEGAS and substitute booze with violence and you've got some pretty heady material.
Fool me once(Daredevil) shame on you. Fool me twice (The Hulk) shame on me. And like THE WHO said, I won't get fooled again. -
'nuff said
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Props to Boris the Blade on the McDonald's crack. I agree that they are way to workmanlike in their efforts to usher their properties onto the screen. I know this isn't the best thing to say considering a lot of you fans are too rabid to think clearly (and Arad must have his event releases to lure in mea...uhh...I mean moviegoers), but I think that things would be better for everyone involved if MARVEL just took their time developing these properties. Say "Unless it's worth doing, don't do it," not "Well, this is as good as it's gonna get if we wanna nab that Thanksgiving release date for '07, and all things considered, it's not as bad as it could have been." Fuck that mentality. Oh, and stop lying about the status or quality of your projects. Remember, you're ostensibly making these movies for *us,* the consumers. Getting the tools that wrote "Smallville" to do a paint-by-numbers 'Iron Man' that lacks inspiration, atmosphere, or invention, but will do well because of its inherently interesting concept, its paint-by-numbers/"two students for Iron Man, please" approach, and fans who can't stay away from the Pandora's Box of blockbuster moviemaking is not exactly something to pat yourselves on the back about. Unless you like congratulating yourselves for being shrewd businessmen. Has 'The Matrix' taught us nothing, people? ;)
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I know I can't be the only one out there who thought that 'DareDevil' was worse than 'HULK.'
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I also understand that studios try to line up "tentpole releases" as soon as possible, so it's not all Arad's fault. Still, my rant goes out to them, too. I don't understand what it's like to work in the business, but it's all shite if that's the way things have to be anyway.
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Nov 04, 2003 10:36:03 PM CST
A man apart with a skull... .....and bad hair.... I hope its m
by xhorbius
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How can you fuck up something that is pure ass to begin with? BW was lame. A poorly made film about retard film loosers in the woods.
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Okay, that could've been 10 times better. Yeesh. Florida? I'm sorry, but Punisher deserves lots of dark NYC streets and alleyways, not beaches and sunshine. You want water? Look in the Hudson. I hope to god this film has some saving quality, like lots of gunplay and gratuitous violance and bloodshed. "The Punishment begins April 2004" ... yeah, punishment for the movie-goers, I bet. :/
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JESUS CHRIST, MARVEL (and every other comic company who ever sold the rights to one of their characters for that matter)... Why must ALL of these movies deviate so far from the source material. The Hulk SUCKED... Daredevil Sucked... Blade 2 sucked... Even X-men and Spider-man deviated far from their roots (but still managed to be pretty good flicks in my book)
As far as The Punisher goes,
1. What would be so god damn hard about filming in New York City? (I already saw the Florida version... it was called "A Man Apart" and it starred Vin Diesel) 2. What possible purpose is served by making Castle an FBI agent instead of a Marine Sniper (not a Navy SEAL, as some believe)
3. And for fuck's sake, why change the names and demographic of his family (Maria, Barbara and Frank Jr.), and even HOW and WHY they are killed. (RANDOM crime. wrong place, wrong time)
WHY NOT JUST TRANSLATE THE ACTUAL ORIGIN DIRECTLY TO FILM AND BE THE FIRST COMIC BOOK MOVIE IN THE HISTORY OF CINEMA TO BE TRUE TO IT'S ROOTS. FUUUUCK!
What sucks for me is that The Punisher is one of my all time favorite characters, AND would be the simplest character in all of Marveldom to translate to screen. For those of you whining about the Punisher being a rip off of 80's revenge movies, you need to dust off some of your dad's old comics (those things we had back before the internet) and realize that the Punisher pre-dates the likes of Death Wish and Steven Segal. Sure, Revenge is a story as old as time, but who doesn't feel like they would do the exact same thing if someone brutally murdered the only thing that mattered to them. The Punisher is the everyman of the Marvel U. The one we could all be with a shitload of training and determination (and not to mention a shitload of armament, a battle van, and a fat hacker sidekick.
I hope someone from Marvel reads these talkbacks and does a movie right for a change.
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THE PUNISHER trailer is incredibly awful.
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i think the think about this is that why make a movie about a comic property that is nothing like it?who is this movie made for,because it is certainly not for fans of the punisher comics.
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When did Marvel get so full of themselves and start licensing out every comic book they have?
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Where's Tubbs?
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Picked up a lot of things. Could be pretty dark. Back of the russian's head, what looked like Frank torturing someone, and as a former Tampa resident, neat to see it on the big screen (though I thought a New York setting would fit better). No the trailer isn't that great, but the Phantom Menace trailer was fucking awesome and looked how that turned out. I still have hopes that Punny turns out to be a real movie and not just an action set piece with Ham Travolta. Least he has a Skull on his kevlar. Oh, and yea I have the Dolph Punisher DVD (6 bucks at Wal-Mart) and still kind of like it even with Dolph's mascara beard.
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...are the last people who should even one word about the Punisher. Hulk pleased alot of fans, Hulk fans at least, but turned off alot of people exspecting some brainless action flick, but instead got a post-PAD Hulk that involved alot of thought.
Punisher doesn't look that good, but hey, maybe it might turn out to be that aweful. after all, it is johnathan Hensleigh directing, he's the one who almost got that AWEFUL Hulk movie idea made. Speaking of which, anyone bashing Ang lee's hulk needs to reference that near miss before they start rambling about "durr, Hulk was Lame..." -
We all know how Frank Castle became The Punisher. DO NOT CHANGE IT for fucks sake!...and by the way, The Hulk will be considered a classic super heroe movie in a few years. CHEERS Amigos!
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OBVIOUSLY MARVEL REALLY DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT THEY PUT INTO THEIR CLASSIC CHARACTERS ANYMORE, JUST AS LONG AS "SOME" PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO GO OUT AND SEE THEM..I MEAN COME ON,WARNER BROS. IS EVEN CONSIDERING BRENDAN FRASER AS THE "MAN OF FUCKING STEEL"...WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH MAJOR MOTION PICTURE CORPORATIONS TODAY...IT TAKES TIME, AND EFFORT TO MAKE SOMETHING THESE CHARACTERS LEAP ONTO THE SCREEN.ARE THEY SMOKING SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES CRACK? SERIOUSLY, THIS MAKES LXG LOOK ALMOST "GODLIKE." GET IT TOGETHER MARVEL...OR YOU'RE FUCKED!
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Nov 05, 2003 3:37:14 AM CST
Instead of punishing street crime, will he be punishing MARSH cr
by reedster9898
Bring back Ivan Drago!
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Nov 05, 2003 4:05:40 AM CST
If they HAVE to have the movie set in Florida then they should h
by reedster9898
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Don't go see the nmovie and stop complaining...that way I can sit in a near empty theater with my tub of pop corn my bucket O' Coke and watch my favorite Comic Book character come to life.
Sure its a revenge flick like all other revenge flicks...duh that's the whole idea of the punisher. Its not a new concept. I like the Punisher because he is a regular hero not some super powered schmoe who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag if there ass was on fire! Besides he is the only some what normal guy that could find a way to kick any other super powered marvel hero or villians pansy ass! -
Blade, Spider-Man, X-Men 1 and 2, Daredevil and Hulk were all REALLY REALLY good, so I have faith that Punisher will not disappoint. If it's even a fraction as good as Daredevil or X-Men United then we are in for a major treat.
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That movie was great.
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For years, we have been begging for some decent superhero flicks. ESPECIALLY after the mess that turned Tim Burton's Batman into a modern version of the 60's show. So, let me say it, and if don't like it, kiss my lily white ass! Xmen 1,2:AWESOME Spiderman:AWESOME Hulk:AWESOME DareDevil:AWESOME Matrix 1,2:SUPER AWESOME LXG:AWESOME Phantom:AWESOME The Shadow:AWESOME Any of you that bitch, go get a film-makers degree, become incredibly wealthy, then make your own fucking films. I can sit back and enjoy these films because they are within the source material and put those worlds up on screen for me to enjoy. The only time I complain is when film companies go "off-reservation" and create someting that doesn't even resemble the comics I so dearly love. Wonder Woman and Catwoman are perfect examples of those.....
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Nov 05, 2003 8:28:58 PM CST
You want Marvels to keep up it's streek?? If that's the case the
by theginger twit
You know it sucked. Screw Ang Lee - He's just going to bring you down big guy.
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Nov 05, 2003 8:37:51 PM CST
Can we get a trailer without "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor"?
by mynamedoesn'tfit
Please?
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Did anyone else think RAMBO when they saw the Punisher with his bow and arrow? That was bad. Why was the Russian there? Dang it, that guy did not look nearly beefcakey enough. For any of those who have never read the Punisher, you should definitely read the 12-issue Garth Ennis mini-series run (Not the ongoing one). I never liked the punisher before then and was iffy on picking up the book but i am so glad that i did. I dont understand why people hate the HULK. it was the first comic movie that did not have a single bit of cheesy dialogue or one liners. Sure it had a slow start but so did spiderman. Daredevil was good but the HULK is miles better than it.
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Nov 05, 2003 10:30:32 PM CST
Holy shit! That was the most original unfucking believable trai
by cranialleak
Yeah right.
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Nov 06, 2003 12:31:29 AM CST
DannyOcean, what you're asking for would greatly risk an increas
by kingkrypton
There's a project where the makers have never once read the comics (and in Peters' case, can't). More to the point, the HATE the material and WON'T familiarize themselves with it. To them, EVERYTHING about it is expendable. Do you really want to risk that treatment being affording to all comic book projects? I'm sorry, but these movies should only be made by fans or people who at least respect the material (Singer being a case in point). Nobody else. "Fresh perspectives," in Hollywood, is usually a euphemism for "Let's totally screw everything up just to stroke our egos."
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Nov 06, 2003 2:16:22 AM CST
EVERYBODY - If you're interested in some spoilers that demonstra
by mosquito march
There are "rooms" in The Punisher's lair where you can click on manufactured files and news articles that outline the whole ridiculous setup for the film. (Just wait until you read about the killing of Frank Castle's family.)
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Damn, that wreaks of shitness. Amazing how they can fuck up twice now. Well I think everyone expected crap once John Travolta joined the cast and Tampa was announced as the location. How much did they spend on this, 500 grand?
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Nov 06, 2003 4:49:20 AM CST
I`ve hated the progect from the start because it should have bee
by chien_sale
Hey, Thomas Jane was the worst possible choice for Frank Castle, everyone knows that because he doesn`t look like him. And John Travolta is a loser. But once "pretty boy with a dyed job" becomes the Punisher, it resonates on screen. What I understand from the trailer, is that it`s not just going to be a cold super-killer like the Seagal films(or the Ennis comic) but more like a HUMAN BEING coming to term with it all, getting revenge, etc...But if he kills and if he gets darker, gets a lot of ammo, etc...it will be cool nonetheless, right? Anyway, I saw something interesting there with the character reacting as a human being. I didn`t know they would do that. Interesting.
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Someday Avi Arad and Gale Anne Hurd will be confronted by the mobs of fans that hold these characters true to their hearts and strike them down. And no superhero is around to save their ass. And Further more when that final blow is about to be struck and Mr. Arads got that "what did I do" look on his dumb face like Mile Dyson in T2. Only then saitisfaction for the rape of our characters will be paid in full. That or require that the writers of these films read the ENTIRE series of the characters book. Instead of going "Here's Welcome Back Frank, and The Punisher Year One, Do the best you can with what you got."
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Nov 06, 2003 1:24:47 PM CST
"The Punishment Begins April 16th, 2004"... hmmm, aptly put...
by catbarf the 5th
... but what did we do to deserve it?
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Well jeez. I watched the trailer and I thought - "this is junk. This is direct to video junk. X-Men gets Bryan Singer and the Punisher gets Joe Blow?" Huh? Am I the only one thinks John Woo shoulda got a heads up on this one???
But then my jaw really dropped. Have any of you guys looked at IMDB recently? Cuz, I'm assuming that like me you're all fans of the old books? My brother started getting the newer ones last year or whenever it started, by Garth King of Comics Ennis. And they are really great, really cool and, dig it, funny. Which ain't what you expect from The Punisher. And in fact a lot of folks did'nt like that......those people better prepare to be disapointed. Cuz under the writing credits it says "Garth Ennis, Comic". I thought --- What? They aint, they CANT be basing it on his books....? But they ARE. Cuz if they aint, how come the cast list includes characters like "Mr.Bumpo", and "The Russian" and "Spacker Dave" "Spoon", jesus, even mousy Joan - played by Rebecca Romjin S. of all people!!! So if you dont like the comics, you'll hate the movie. And if you're a Garth Ennis fan, prepare to see your favourite writer have his work (his characters at least) get pissed all over by a hack screenwriter, a no-body director and a chain of fools or "actors".
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that was horrible. that song. also horrible. oh man. don't justify that crap, that was mid 90's action cliches everywhere.
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... but whoever put this crap trailer together needs a good smack upside the head. And what the hell is up with that gay sailor red/white stripe shirt The Russian is wearing? All he's missing is a sailor cap. And Castle in a white T-shirt? Wrestling? This isn't The Punisher folks, but a prelude to a gay porn! Keep your sick fantasies at bay, Hensleigh!
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or did this movie just get back from an all nighter of partying at a gay bar?
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What to say that hasn't already been said? It's pretty obvious WE know what would make a good Punisher movie, so wouldn't this be a license for Marvel to print money? The only thing that keeps me from cringing uncontrollably is that it's a character I never had much attachment to. Still, I'm amazed that this antihero endures to this day in comic book form. Some fanboys are buying it. So, how hard to you have to work to screw up a vigilante who shoots scumbags to death? They made the Blade films 10 times better than it had to be! This whole thing mystifies me. When some bright boy said it was going to be set in Florida, that should've screamed "Red Light" right there. I hate contributing to the negativity, but how's anyone supposed to give this film serious attention with that... generic trailer? Joe Cinema is gonna see it and say, "Hnn. Might be worth a rental someday." Sorry, man. But as an average, red-blooded movie fan, I feel someone has dropped the ball here. And if fuckin' Travolta wants to perpetuate the appearance that he's a "serious actor", he needs to put a little more thought into the scripts he chooses. This is going dangerously close to Steel or Supergirl territory, and the reports I hear about other upcoming comic based projects does not encourage me. The studios need to step back, take a breather, and more carefully evaluate the properties they choose to adapt. It takes a lot to inspire faith, but it only takes one bad movie to makes us laugh and wonder why you didn't do your damn jobs and ensure these projects had appropriate writers and directors!!!
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Out of curiosity (and concern), what upcoming comic-based projects are you referring to?
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Well, first and foremost, I read Man-Thing was shooting in Australia (?? I thought was set in [snort]Florida??)with an all-Austalian cast, and was likely going direct to video. Let's see, what else? Oh, yeah! I guess they're still gonna go through with that pointless Halle Berry Catwoman thing, right? They may make a Flash TV pilot that's rumored to have, get this, the "no-tights" policy of Smallville... I won't bore you with my trepitation about "Blade: Trinity" reports and whatnot. I'm sure you've heard about this stuff. This is just news I've read from various sources for the past several months that, and this could just be be me, sounds iffy. Hey, it's become second nature to be ambivalent about these things. That help?
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Yeah, I've heard about that shit too. I was just worried you were gonna tell me something else cringe-inducing. 'Man-Thing'... the fact that it's a movie set in Florida with an entirely Australian cast conjures up images of 'The Skulls 2,' but I don't really know enoguh about it to be worried. I have virtually no expectations for 'Catwoman' or 'Hellblazer' (or 'Constantine,' I guess), and kind of have the feeling that 'Blade: Trinity' might be having problems. Thank goodness you didn't tell me something bad about 'Namor.' Or Wonder Woman and a symbiotic suit. Oh, wait...
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No Dwayne Johnson as Namor. He's not a terrible actor, but I don't think he's right for the part. If these rumors are true, I'll blanche (not much of a threat, but it's the closest to truth).
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Glad to be of assistance. Ultimately, it raises the same tired old question: If you're gonna do obscure and/or funky/ culty concepts like Namor, Man-Thing (wtf? That was just BEGGING to be made?), Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, and Constantine, why not give it the old college try to make the best film you possibly can, and at least have a sleeper hit on your hands? Makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense is the Rock as Namor. As you said, not a Godawful performer, but definately not what pops into your mind for the role. And while I hate to sound like a dottering old-school fool, I rrreeeaallllyyy wanted the third Blade movie to have Frank Drake and Hannibal King in it, DAMMIT! Perhaps it's a failure of imagination on my part, but I can't see the point of having Whistler's daughter (isn't she supposed to be dead?) in the story. What the hell ever. Bring on Triple H in a starmaking role as a menacing bloodsucker! To simplify what I said earlier, and what these hotshot execs, producers, and screenwriters should already know- Make a good movie, we will buy tickets, I guarantee it. Churn out some miserable tripe, and we won't give a rat's ass how you fund your coke habit.
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I really need to exercise more self-control over seeing these shitty adaptations. Maybe if we all avoided them like the plague, we'd actually get the movies we wanted. The thing is, they trick the average moviegoer that doesn't know anything about it into going to see it under the pretense of a good time. Then they leave disappointed, and the studios leave $70 mil richer. I think the problem with casting Namor is, and this is the last I've heard of it, that it's being marked as a trilogy. If they want to sell a movie that will undoubtedly cost a lot of money just on advertising and undertaking, they probably want a proven lead (since it's essentially a one-man show). Jude Law isn't exactly the most bankable star in the world, and anybody else more appropriate for the role is probably even less so. So then, they (allegedly) look to The Rock, who has a swarthy complexion and "regal" stature. He's the closest to an action star, but I still don't like the idea. Maybe if the marketed these movies based on their content and not on snippets of action and intrigue, they wouldn't have to worry about these things. Then again, maybe not; they (and "they" is Universal, I suppose) also work in one of the most competitive businesses in America, each company adept in their own way at, as one shamelessly studio movie calls it (ironically enough, no?) "refining lies until they look like truths." Kind of disappointing. I do wish that the producers of these films would have more faith in the subtext of the source material (especially Avi Arad, he's only the frickin' delegate of MARVEL, for chrissakes). As far as Blade 3 goes, well, that's not a stuio-enforced thing. I assume that after two movies and now the responsibility of directing, Goyer's been given freedom to write whatever he wants. He just happened to resurrect Whistler's Daughter (if he really wanted to be clever he would've done the same for Whistler's Mother). Although Triple H? Ummm....why? So they can lure in the wresting crowd? They always seem to try to reconcile the divide between the two sci-fi/comic book and rasslin' subcultures by arbitrarily plunking a WWE star into their movies. Hmm...and now we come full-circle, it seems.
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I did not realize how much I rambled in that post. Shit, I'm sorry. Also, before I get angry e-mails, I know that fans of wrestloing can also enjoy sci-fi, but the stereotypical male wrestling fan does not fit into the studios' demographic of fanboy nerds.
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That's okay. You're just trying to make sense of the situation. Ya think if they were gonna make any other wrestlers into movie stars, they would've done so by now. I have no idea how these things come about, and what kind of breakthroughs they are expecting. If they would fucking cast a professional wrestler in a role that made sense, that would be great. Then you could say, "Oh, shit yeah!! He helped make that movie a success. He was perfect in that part." Instead, it's always Captain Grabass as Anonymous Thug # 3.
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The way I see it, Marvel has had a few good movies, a couple of REALLY good movies, one that was all right, and one that was complete ass. My quick capsule reviews of Marvel's films is as follows - Blade: good. X-Men: good. Blade II: awesome. Spider-Man: great. Daredevil: meh. X-Men 2: phenomenal. Hulk: biggest disappointment of the year. Not exactly what I'd call a "streak." Still, there hasn't been a debacle like Batman & Robin yet, so I guess that's something to be proud of.
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What IF this is not an accidental flop. Check out the MVL stock... it was flat at around 30 bucks. Think about it.. give Artisan the Crappy Punisher flick.. it flops.. stocks drop to about 20 bucks or even less... then spidey 2 and X3.. stocks jump just in time to make a lot of people too much cash to imagine. Don't underestimate greed. Also, LionsGate is about to buy Artisan pictures soon.. this would be great stop them from doing so. Just a thought. Too many talented folks involved for this to suck so badly.
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