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MATRIX REVOLUTIONS

I absolutely loved MATRIX REVOLUTIONS!!!

Guess what… it doesn’t give you all the answers, you know why? Because there are no answers, only the questions and the beliefs we have about those answers. In the creation of any religion, the answers are never written out, clearly stated for all to understand. That's one of the basic flaws that skeptics of religion have. I mean, these prophets, didn't they like ask God about the bottom line? And if ya just follow those 10 Commandments, is that enough? I mean, I can chow on Pig right? In MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, the mysteries of that universe have to be preserved, because the only answers are found in one's own contemplation of what you've seen, experienced and sought to understand. The whole point of GOD isn't to give you the answers, but to give you the strength to attain those answers for yourself. None of us know for sure what “it” all means, but ya know what… The Wachowski Brothers struck that balance that I loved in the original MATRIX… Here, I give a shit about my characters again. The fights… this time they mean LIFE & DEATH again, not testing programs vs programs, or as a metaphor for whether or not you could “crack” the “meaning of the Matrix.”

This time, characters FIGHT to be reunited with the people they love. They RACE to get back home. They FIGHT desperate last stands to protect a way of life. They fight for the very existence of it all. THAT’S WHAT WAS MISSING LAST TIME FOR ME!!!

This time, the religious, psycho-babble mumbo-jumbo returns to the subtext where it belongs, with characters CARING about what was going on. Being AFRAID of what was next. TERRIFIED about not being in control. And learning the lessons that lead to understanding and life.

This time, the ACTIONS define the characters, not lengthy tired monologues out of 2nd Year College Comparative Religion Studies or Basic Human Psyche-courses. This time they focus the story on individual POINTS OF VIEW, so that we can have a HUMAN GUIDE through the spectacle at any given moment. This time, they show us things we’ve never seen before that are cool. This time, they remembered that for all the well written hammy lines, it’s still has to come down to “Looking Cool” and “Meaning Something to the Characters Living It!”

I can’t express to you how utterly relieved and happy and exhilarated I am. Is it perfect? God, no… Like I said, the dialogue is hammy, the emotions milked, churned and cheese… But ya know what? I loved it. Is the BDSM Club utterly ridiculous, hilarious, funky and stupid??? YEAH! But it made me smile. Eventually I’m going to hop into spoiler territory, but for now… and until I say so… it’s safe to read.

Big PowerSuit battle versus a bajillion squiddies… COOL. If I hear one more person say, “ALIENS” in regards to those suits, I’m liable to roll my eyes and consider them addicted to lead paint chips. Please… for my amusement. Point to the scene in ALIENS, where the outfits were firing 150mm exploding rounds into bajillions of Squiddies in a last stand to save humanity. Please… I’ve seen the Director’s Cut of that film, is it a sequence in the deleted scenes somewhere? I thought I went through all of those.

Someone griping about wheelbarrows of ammunition… Yeah, but did they talk about the ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT style running for supplies… the men and women armed with electro-cannons to protect the ammo runs? Did they discuss the tentacles and how they take people apart or shred them? How else exactly do you want them to deliver the ammo? In a fucking Mustang? A forklift? And how would that navigate the debris caused by the thousands of Squiddie parts all over the ground?

Sigh… I can’t believe how much I loved this thing!

I really wasn’t looking forward to this. ALL the reviews I’ve been getting have been negative. I haven’t been… “Picking” the reviews to post, I’ve posted them all. That’s just the way it was coming in. I think two things prepared me to be open to this today. One… right before I left the house to get in the car to head to the theater, I got an email from one of the screenwriters I’m working with on a project, that hasn’t been announced yet that just filled me with glee. It was the beginning of the evolution from MY IDEA to THE FILM, and he took the ball I gave him and he ran with it and scored like 5 unanswered touchdowns and got me giddy to make sure that movie gets made. THEN… I get in the car, and Father Geek and I are backing out of our driveway, and a FED EX truck pulls in front of the house. Mr. Fed Ex Man, gets out and gives me the big ol package, and leaves. I see that it’s from Alex Ross, so I open it like a boy on Christmas Morning and it’s his new book… MYTHOLOGY. That collection of all of Alex Ross’ DC art. OH JOY.

As we’re driving to the theater… I’m a kid in a candy store. Alex’s art completely changed the way I thought of comics and envisioned them taking place in the “real world” of movies. Looking at his 3 year old drawings, his 6 year old drawings, his 10 year old drawings and his 12 year old drawings… well, they filled me with a geeky glee that just ruled. The toilet tube heroes he made… WOW. Very cool ‘folk art’!

Then there were his paintings. All these sketches and illustrations and charcoals and paintings. Glorious renderings of a world I’d love to just disappear into. I had Father Geek take this amazing picture book into the theater with me. My head dancing with Alex Ross paintings right up until the second the lights dimmed. Quint and Kraken and Massawyrm and Father Geek and I… All just mouths slack jawed staring like Cavemen at the Alien Mothership beauty as dropped off Amazon goddesses for the Neanderthals to mate with to evolve our species. That’s what it was like.

Then when the lights dim and I closed the book, I was like… “No, not the movie…” Seriously… that’s what I said. Then THE LAST SAMURAI trailer played… and then the Green tint Warner logo… and I was like… “Oh man, don’t suck.” Then I thought real hard… “BE COOL,” you know that feeling… it’s the one you’ll have right before STAR WARS EPISODE 3 plays for the first time. That… “BE COOL,” not because of personal investment, not because someone pays you to think that… but because in your heart… right there in the deep of the thump thump, you need to see it be cool. Why? No reason in particular… Basically it’s just a hope.

I think many of you think I pre-judge films. I do, when I’m writing in advance about a movie, editing reports… preparing the news daily for you guys… it’s impossible to not be affected by it all. Before MATRIX RELOADED, I said the same thing. I said the same thing before the original X-MEN… remember how bad the buzz was on that one. I was terrified. I mean, I was sick to my stomach, I literally wanted out of the theater before it played.

You see… there’s a fundamental difference between me as a GEEK and most critics. A lot of critics go to movies because it’s their job to see movies. But, if they were not being paid to go see every movie, they wouldn’t go to many of them. They just wouldn’t be interested. Many critics run skipping to the art house, and drag their feet in dread to see the big “EVENT” films. To me, I go to both with enthusiasm, but personally… as much as I love being “Intellectually Stimulated” by a work of “Art,” I also just love… LOVE to be transported by awe and wonder and the whole big gosh gee whiz awesomeness of an honest to goodness ol fashioned FLICK with thrills and chills and romance and drama. I love my Saturday Matinee fun. No denying it. I’m a geek and I love me some coolness fierce.

MATRIX REVOLUTIONS would work for me, I believe, even if I had never seen the last one. I read in an interview that ol Smilin’ Jack did with Joel Silver, that the purpose of the 2nd film was to “Wipe the slate clean” “forget what you know” type of thing. Well, the odd thing is… MATRIX REVOLUTIONS restores everything you “thought” and believed in the first film. At least it did for me. Oh sure, without the second film, you wouldn’t know who the Merovingian was or the Architect, but ya know what… as key as they are, they’re not the cat’s pajamas.

You see, ultimately this film is about… OK… SPOILER TIME. Sorry, can’t discuss this stuff if you want to remain pure for a lot of the “theme” material going on here. So run off, twiddle your thumbs… Wake up really early Wednesday and go see the biggest Comic Book Fun Time in a movie you’ll have till SPIDER-MAN 2.

SPOILER STUFF… Adios… See ya later… Hasta La Vista, Vaya con Dios mon capitans!

Ok… You see, ultimately this film is a lot about what is going on in the world right now.

You see, The Machines… They’re the United States and Capitalism. Ultimately they want society operating in the 9 to 5, eat your food, grab a movie, raise the kids, go to church and get back to work sort of daze. That’s the Machine way. Don’t worry about the “MEANING OF IT ALL” just do your job, be a battery and power the big society forward.

Ultimately… Neo, Morpheus, “the rebel alliance” – essentially… In a lot of ways… they’re the bad guys. You see, they’re fucking everything up. The come into our “Society” blow shit up. Cause problems. Get all violent and shit. Do little hit and run missions. Neo is for his people… basically, he’s Bin Laden living in a cave somewhere… and the Machines… they’re drilling to put a stop to it all. Now, the problem is… the only person that can put a stop to “The War” on Terrorism are the terrorist. Essentially, Bin Laden has to come forward, tell his people they’ll be ok, give himself up, negotiate a cease fire and allow his life to be the symbol of peaceful co-existence between both cultures. “The Machines” and “The Humans” “The Capitalist” and “The Fundamentalist Extremists”

NOW… What is Agent Smith? Essentially, Agent Smith was Communism. If we are all the same, then there is no reason for violence. Resistance is Futile. Communism was fantastic as it represents an ideology that the Capitalist and the Extremists both hated. And it was spreading and taking over and trying to assimilate cultures and suppress belief systems. Or you could say AGENT SMITH is that Born Again Christian type that is trying to eradicate another’s belief system… and ultimately – the elimination of both either politically, humanly or functionally is a move towards peace.

In the end… When the Big White Man meets the Oracle at the park with the little Indian/Pakistani girl at her side… Essentially the Big White Industrialist is saying, so… How long will this peace last? And she is essentially the U.N. A governing body that tries to disrupt the all powerful and to give all sides a voice. She says, “As long as it can.”

EXACTLY. Ultimately, it’s about reaching understandings by which both sides can co-exist and live. It’s about stopping the madness because it is madness. Because tearing each other apart is a waste of resources. The toil on both societies is counter-productive to co-habitation on this big green planet of ours.

Ultimately what they believe or we believe is inconsequential. What gets you through your cold dark nights and hours of depression to that day in the sun… well it may be entirely different from mine, but what doesn’t work is governing by MESSIAHS positive or negative. Then we have a society RULED as opposed to a society governed. That’s why all Messiahs must die. Why religion should stay out of governing bodies, and ultimately we should adopt a live and let live sort of way of life. And the fighting, well… as all good geeks that were raised with WARGAMES, the only way to win is not to play. A lesson that is hard fought and learned in this film.

That’s all there… Of course I saw it, doesn’t mean you will. That’s the great thing about Sub-text. It’s there if your Liberal, Right-wing, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist loving mind can see and interpret it.

MEANWHILE… The cool shit was cool shit.

As for all this talk about how on earth can a SUPERMAN movie be cooler than the NEO vs AGENT SMITH flying fight?

SIMPLE.

A fundamental design flaw with the fight is the outfits the characters are fighting in. Ever wonder why SUPERMAN and SUPERHEROES and BAD GUYS dress outrageously in the comics?

It’s so they STAND OUT FROM THE BACKGROUNDS and are easily defined so that the action is clarified. They dress that way to be the bits of color in an otherwise drab world.

Watching that last fight… It is clearly a proto-SUPERMAN vs LEX LUTHOR in a Kryptonite Powered Steroid Injection type of thing. Only… because they’re both in black… at night… in the rain. Sometimes the action is lost, and you find yourself for brief moments getting them mixed up here and there. Also, to me… there’s just something fundamentally cooler about SUPERMAN’s outfit than a black “Nehru” overcoat. NOW – in life, I’d prefer to own the black “NEHRU” overcoat… but in picking superhero costumes fighting up in the sky… give me my big blue bird any day of the week. And while we’re at it, shaving Agent Smith’s head and putting him in the ol Purple and green Lex Luthor outfit and giving him “magic powers”… well, that’d just own.

I have no concern about SUPERMAN topping that. Simply because, SUPERMAN has and always shall be cooler than NEO.

That being said… This is a fitting conclusion to the series. No whimper, but a helluva bang. Filled with tiny “moments” for characters I love… be it Trinity’s blue sky or Neo’s Oz… They each have seen things we people wouldn’t believe, but unlike tears in the rain… this time they’ll keep quite nicely on the silver screen and on DVD. God, I fucking love this movie!

P.S. For the Record, I didn't hate MATRIX RELOADED - as I've repeatedly stated. I felt it was lacking. As in, it didn't quite lick that special spot that makes go "OHHHHH." In watching the 3rd film, it's quite evident that nearly every single complication from MATRIX RELOADED was about one's test of faith. Conversations with a Devil to test one's faith. Ultimately what the various saints and sinners had to say, were the temptations to stray the ONE from his Path. To court him into the wrong decisions. I STILL FEEL those fights were unemotional video game pointless endeavors of masturbation. No fight was ever won or lost. All draws. Every conversation was about standing in the corner and deciding to jack off with the left OR right hand. THIS film has tangible cause and effects, and hokey emotional schmaltz, no more cheesy than a thumbs up from a T-800 on his way to oblivion. Besides... the last film didn't have Bruce Spence, who rules Earth. And Mr Smith's scene with the Oracle is one of the most delicious scenes in film this year. Not to mention his conversation with Neo in... "the crater" fucking A cool over-the-top Bad Guy ZOD cool KNEEL type of awesomeness. BUT... hey, frankly I don't care if you like the film... I love it, and that's what's important to me. You want to piss on that, fine... I got my warm fuzzy glow and happy face from this one. Pee away!

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  • Nov. 3, 2003, 9:37 p.m. CST

    FIRST

    by Spaz Medicine

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 9:39 p.m. CST

    HEY!!

    by Spaz Medicine

    NO FAIR!

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Furst!!!!!!!

    by Driver8

    waiting for Matrix Convolutions

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 9:40 p.m. CST

    First...Fags...

    by TigerLand

    You all are the scum of the earth!!

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 9:41 p.m. CST

    yo

    by AlgertMopper

    so they use the "fight in the rain" to hide shitty CGI?....that's what it sounds like to me

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Absolutely NOT FIRST

    by Cory849

    Great Harry liked it...but started with an apology. "It doesn't give you all the answers because blah blah blah". Fuck. It's gonna suck.

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Harry says all the reviews he got on Revolutions said it sucked,

    by Rolling_Stone

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Almost here...

    by Darth Thoth

    Got my ticket for Wednesday night IMAX- NYC baby!. Can't wait. Took the day off and watched Matrix and Reloaded back to back this afternoon. I'll reserve my judgment until after I see Revolutions. Matrix was a classic. Reloaded was a Second Movie. Not as good as the first but still an excellent movie. I need Revolutions to bring it home for me.

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Harry's Review

    by Fernwick_

    Hmm, this is an interesting review. First and foremost because I thought Harry was going to trash MATRIX Revolutions, and because it seems a bit limp. I like this site but I hate reading the reviews because it seems that Harry wets over the Movies he is invited to and dumps on those he cant see early. I love Moriarty's reviews because they seem fair and balanced (cant belive I said that) and with a deeper understanding of the actual movie itself. Reading this review made me think that Harry didnt quite feel this way but is being as positive as he can anyway. Notice the opening, " You wont belive what Harry thought" because we all EXPECTED Harry to poop on it. Harry, this review doesnt have jiz all over it and thats what actually makes it seem insincere. I want to think otherwise.. I hope im wrong but who else agrees with me?

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Harry...how were the special effects?

    by Darth Thoth

    How do the special effects stack up against other effects-laden movies? Will we be blown away?

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 9:54 p.m. CST

    So, I'm only smart enough to understand the BIG MESSAGE of these

    by koomoReborn

    is if I have the worldview of a guy with an eighth grade education who's lucky to have escaped from his dad's basement? Communism is good, for us to poop on.

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Rain Battle

    by PurityOfEssence

    'They fight in the rain to cover up shity FX.' No, they fight in the rain because, to simply put it: it looks cool, or at least that's the idea. Obi-Wan and Jango fought in the rain, it looked cool (to short, but still one of the best looking scenes in that film), was it necesary to the film that they fight in the rain, sure the planet was a water world of sorts but it didn't have to be raining, if they didn't want it to be. What about Kill Bill, The Bride and O'ren fight in the snow, up until that point in the movie there really isn't a (if any) reference to there being snow. But once they go outside it's snowing, and do you now why? Becuase Tarintino wanted that fight to be in the snow, (yes i know there were now CGI shots to cover up in KILL BILL, but the principle applies, it's a stylistic choice), I am still worried about this film, I want it to be good, but Harry has praised many films before - that were less than stellar.

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 10:04 p.m. CST

    industry puppet my ass

    by killinbillin

    you're gonna call a guy an industry whore because he likes a movie?

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 10:13 p.m. CST

    not quite

    by killinbillin

    reloaded had anticipation and a 4 year wait going for it, and it made around 160 mil in 4 days. i think that estimate doesnt take into effect that many people didnt like reloaded...im guessing rev is going to make around 100-140 million in 5 days...of course, since its going international at the same time, total for the five days will probably be near 250 mil...

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 10:24 p.m. CST

    matrix 3 was bad

    by LOCOUNO4

    i htink harry liked the godzilla then changed his mine after everyous says it bad. i saw matrix 3 at imax. it really was bad. people groans it was bad. it will make a lot of money opening day. it will make lots less after

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 10:26 p.m. CST

    thats it. nailed it right on the head.

    by RPG

    :] I knew there was a message these movies. an anology to what was/is happening in the real world. :] this movie-trilogy is awesome.

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by Spaz Medicine

    I think the 2nd and 3rd Matrices are bound to be seen as failures because they will be compared to the original. Even the reviews I have seen on rottentomatoes have compared it to The Matrix and although it is a sequel, it is almost not fair to do that, because the first one was so revolutionary in so many ways. The action and effects will never be able to be as groung breaking as the first...

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 10:32 p.m. CST

    countin down

    by killinbillin

    im seeing it wednesday, no matter what any reviewer says...its sucks trying to read reviews of movies when they contain the entire fucking story, like harry's. you have to dodge all around like a chicken with its head cut the fuck off trying to avoid the ending of the story. so far, i have survived...the guy at rolling stone gave rev 2 stars out of 5, but that pretentious idiot writes two paragraph reviews not saying one bit about what he did or didnt like (elf had a very short review 2 stars), so i dont give two explosive diarhheas about his take on anything (plus, its rollingstone, who gives a fuck about that bloated shit rag?)

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 10:42 p.m. CST

    How to read a Harry review

    by Darth Thoth

    Some advice on how to read them if you want to stay spoiler free. I enjoy his reviews. I understand that for him (or anyone) to get in depth sometimes requires spoilers. So what I do is that I read the first few paragraphs/ kinda skim. When he starts to get to the meat of the review I literally skip to the last paragraph or two. This way I get a taste of the film. Then after I finally see the movie I come back and read the entire review to see Harry's take and compare it with mine. Hope this helps.

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 10:46 p.m. CST

    You will believe....

    by LargoJr

    That a movie can suck, and fat guys with agendas can sell out faster then a $2 hooker on the day rent is due.

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Agent Smith has a beer and cheats on Neo

    by LargoJr

    Oh yeah... one more thing, if Harry had used the word 'Ultimately' in his so called 'review', I would have slit my fucking wrists. Why do suck-ass wanabe writers always gotta be so fucking dramatic when they squeeze out another peanut ridden turd of a review?

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Agent Smith has a beer and cheats on Neo

    by LargoJr

    oops.. that was ment to be.. if he used 'Ultimately' one MORE time...

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Harry loved Revolutions because...

    by Anomaly

    It's a fucking great movie! Go see for yourself on Wednesday. I actually believe that this is Harry's honest opinion of the film because it was so being set up for him to not like it and then he saw it and was genuinely impressed. I now anxiously await Moriarty's review.

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 11:01 p.m. CST

    no no

    by killinbillin

    you see, agent smith and neo had something special, i mean, neo has been deep inside smith and they love to grab each other and have some good ol rough n tumble "fighting" poor trinity, she has only one option: to join persephone and niobe in a hot, sweaty, bullet time orgy of sweat lovin and no sleepin that is their purpose, they do only what theyre meant to...blah blah blah action, reaction, cause, effect, power, no power...wiping your ass with silk is mer ci bo cu

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Here's hoping Revolutions obliterates me into a fine red mist of

    by Blacklist

    Oh and right on about capitalism being the bane of society! If only we'd all pack our bags and take the next flight to Cuba where citizens have abundant freedoms like...uh. Oh wait, I'm off topic.

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 11:12 p.m. CST

    whatever

    by failed musician

    Harry likes big dumb movies sometimes, that's the lesson here. this movie will suck.

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 11:13 p.m. CST

    hooray

    by mistersparkles

    well, it's actually quite heartening to hear harry's review... I'm pretty pleased to hear that at least someone liked it. What's missing for me is a simple acknowledgment that I won't be let down and that it will be DIFFERENT from reloaded. I saw the first Matrix with a pretty skeptic eye, and didn't enjoy it the first time. Since then it has risen to be one of my favorite franchises (beat out only by star wars and LOTR)... Rising from that depth takes a lot for me, and I admit wrong in not enjoying the first one the first time. But reloaded left me disappointed, as did the first reviews of revolutions. I just hope that it is of a different ilk than reloaded... it seems that harry is saying more that it's bad but if you think about it in a different way, it's good... I don't want that... I need blow your mind plot twists and I need humans turning out to be machines, or something of that style. Anyway, can't wait to

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 11:19 p.m. CST

    This review can mean only one thing...The Neo vs. werewolves and

    by xavier masterson

    Nothing to see here.

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 11:27 p.m. CST

    After all the hype blown at fall movies unworthy of your time, n

    by watashiwadare

    I know what I like and what I reject. I think everyone should follow my example and keep it to ourselves! No more reviews.

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 11:30 p.m. CST

    You see, The Machines

    by Batutta

    I see your point here, Harry, but I don't think you've really thought about the function of movies and entertainment in this society. They're the opiate, the "Soma" or "feelies" as Aldous Huxley called them, and it's they're job to deaden us with meaningless sensory stimulation so we becomes cogs in the machine of capitalism. Depressed or just plain bored, we get our fixes of mindless pop culture for a momentary distraction, then move on to the next fixation, whatever works to keep us from actually thinking and realizing what a soul-sucking and empty existance we all lead. You're an addict Harry, just like the rest of us.

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Trying to get the Matrix-haters off your back?

    by Maximus21

    I think Harry just got sick of these Matrix-loving losers so he figured "If I give Revolutions a good review, maybe they'll get the fuck off my site"

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Harry, with all due respect you are as fucked in the head as you

    by Sgt. Black

    "basically, he

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 11:46 p.m. CST

    reverse psychology or what?

    by Mr President

    is that what you're trying Harry? This is complete shite, Revolutions sucked. It was drivel dressed up in dark glasses and silly black suits. I loved the Matrix, thought Reloaded was silly and Revolutions just laughable.... The directors have turned these films into a joke....for something that started so well, they have fallen into the sewers.... Harry, I firmly believe your attitude was softened by hearing bad reviews first, so you expected a rubish film, then when you saw itm it turned out better than you expected, so you sort of liked it.... Bascially, your expectations were lowered. I have had this happen before and let me tell you, that it is no gauge as to how bad a film is, it just changes your shit-meter calibration....

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 11:47 p.m. CST

    I BELIEVE WHAT HARRY THINKS OF MATRIX REVOLUTIONS!

    by HardcoreRocker

    Please. We knew he'd love it, even if it licked balls. Not a surprise. www.rockithardcore.com

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Zion Powersuits don't resemble Aliens Dockloaders according to t

    by Windowlicker74

    just because those dockloaders dont participate in battle?? harry if you don t have anything logical to say, then please for the love of god, shut your big mouth. the Wachowski's have seen Aliens too you know..

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 11:54 p.m. CST

    I get it

    by AlwaysThere

    You love it because you got to see it early.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 12:08 a.m. CST

    'the cool shit was cool shit' ?? HAHA harry the gangsta geek, fu

    by Windowlicker74

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 12:10 a.m. CST

    So basically you're saying that it's continuing the downward spi

    by pavlovs_dog

    ...from a really incredible movie with some iffy dialogue and a ridiculous amount of religious references to a bad philosophy lesson with cool action scenes and pretty bad dialogue to an overt allegory about how the United States and capitalism are the ultimate evils in the world? ick... but I suppose we couldn't expect anything else from the folks who gave Cornell West a cameo. And what was that bulshit about communism? I quote, "If we are all the same, then there is no reason for violence. Resistance is Futile. Communism was fantastic as it represents an ideology that the Capitalist and the Extremists both hated." Wtf kind of mind-dribble is that? No need for violence? Fantastic? Communism is plenty violent and not fantastic at all. Even a lefty like Harry should know better than to think communism is anything but an evil blight on the history of mankind.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 12:24 a.m. CST

    TALK ABOUT SUB-TEXT HARRY. SO I TAKE IT THAT WHEN THE FED-EX TRU

    by BenDevil

    LORD OF THE RINGS: RETURN OF THE KING will rule your asses!!!

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 12:37 a.m. CST

    LET ME BE THE FIRST TO SAY "HARRY'S MOVIE HAS TOO MUCH CGI"

    by BenDevil

  • My expectations have just been increased. Maybe that's not the soundest idea in the world...

  • I suspect that the "Brothers" (who are professed Hong Kong action/Fantasia nuts) Saw an awesome little flick called Volcano High before having the Brilliant Idea of "Neo and Smith, in black, with a crowd watching them fight in Heavy rain, as they wiz around, FlYING, kicking the shit out of each other," we will be praised as GODS! Well Volcano High was a great flick and its the first thing that came to my mind when I saw those images in the Revolutions teaser...the hacks.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Volcano High

    by Stanley Spector

    It's not as though Volcano High (which is from South Korea, by the way, not Hong Kong) didn't leave a good deal of room for improvement. The movie is decent, with beautiful cinematography and a brilliantly stretched budget, but it simply grows tiresome and repetitive as it progresses (and the version I saw was the shorter international one!). Futhermore, Volcano High owes at least as much to The Matrix as The Matrix Revolutions will owe to Volcano High. Hell, even the first scene in Volcano High

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Peter Travers is THE ONE

    by AlwaysThere

    What a great review.-----"They're piloting a tin-can hovercraft through a sewer line, shaking their bodies to mimic a bumpy ride in a scene that would shame Ed Wood."----- ROFLMAO, that made my friggin day. I will say that its unlikely that Revolutions will be the biggest letdown ever, mainly because Reloaded was so God awful.

  • because harry's a fat sell out you see?

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 1:10 a.m. CST

    http://www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/efaden/

    by AlwaysThere

    The original version of bullet time.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 1:23 a.m. CST

    doesn't give you all the answers?

    by Rupee88

    Harry starts out his review by trying to apologize for the movie's weak points. I haven't seen this yet and the action may kick ass, but I will NOT be satisfied unless they explain most everything. Reloaded wounded this franchise beyond repair, but I'm just hoping that Revolutions has some good CGI and action sequences. Of course they won't give the answers, because they screwed up the Matrix universe so badly that they can't fix it.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Let me get this right, you hypocrital asswipes...

    by Commando Cody

    Some of you are literally accusing Harry of selling out to Warners or actually saying he accepted kick-backs to say he liked REVOLUTIONS...yet none of you will have the balls to DARE suggest the very same thing regarding New Line when he writes his glowing review for ROTK (which you know he will, you can bank on that one!) Give me a break, talk about a hypocritical stand. If you're going to bring up the spector of journalist integrity or a blurring of the lines, at least for ROTK we KNOW he received trips to New Zealand, met with Jackson, etc, etc, etc. Bottom line, what did Harry get from Warners? Jack shit. So how about you cut Harry some slack and quit TRYING to be asswipes who derive pleasure by purposely going out of your way to bag on things like the MATRIX sequels (or Star Wars or Potter or whatever) in a pitiful attempt to ruin whatever fun OTHER people are looking forward to. Or at least be a naysayer AFTER you've seen the movie yourself and can actually argue your viewpoint from an intelligent stance. In fact, how about some of you just accept the fact that Harry -- like anyone -- can judge a movie on its own merits, and in THIS particular case (and unlike RELOADED) Harry simply found that REVOLUTIONS met his expections or at least made him feel like he got his 8 bucks worth. Which I'm sure the movie does deliver. Personally, I can't wait. I'm going opening day and I'm sure based on all I've read this movie will seriously kick some ass.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 2:11 a.m. CST

    "Reload" and then "Enter The Matrix" before the "Revolution"

    by AlwaysThere

    What a load of marketing BS. If money isnt the root of all evil, then nothing is. Oh, and of course he will give ROTK a glowing review. You guys wouldnt expect anything less than great from PJ.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 2:24 a.m. CST

    REVOLUTIONS

    by MaulRat

    Its funny noone brings up the title in the context of what the title is supposed to mean to the movie.. By Revolutions do they mean a series of sudden radical or complete changes? or does it mean by a succession of similar events (ie. the reintroduction of a new Matrix... "version 7".. do we think about the End of this film and then put it into context?. I just find it interesting.. nevermind.. Something else I think is funny, it doesn't matter what Harry says about the movie, there are people here who will just form an opinion in direct opposition to Harry's, just because it comes from Harry, and for those just here to rag on the film before you even see it, your opinion is already formed so why bother clicking on the link for a film you don't like? is it to post something contradictory? do you think its cool to be contrary? my guess is you want people to notice you, you want to stand out, even if standing out means being incorrect, or in direct opposition to what you REALLY think.. either way, keep on writing em, fill your boots, maybe one day someone will notice you.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 2:27 a.m. CST

    pills are good

    by Presence

    http://rileymcdougall.tripod.com/Presence/

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 2:35 a.m. CST

    taking bets..

    by MrFancypants

    If the consensus on Revolutions is that it sucks, how long until Harry posts his "second viewing retraction", ala Godzilla, Episode 1, etc? I can't believe anyone still takes this fat bastard seriously.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Good job Harry

    by iluvfilm

    Hey Harry, iluvfilm here.. just wanted to congratulate you on finally reviewing The Matrix Revolutions and for setting the record set. I

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by MrFancypants

    I liked Matrix Revolutions better when it was called "Cowboy Bebop: The Real Folk Blues (Part 2)".

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Harry, I used to agree with you all the time... but then you pra

    by TheGinger Twit

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 2:59 a.m. CST

    2 films written at the same time and filmed at the same time, wi

    by jules windex

    Harry, this is clearly you being afraid to rip the film, cuz of how so many Matrix apologists ripped you for your Reloaded review. Let us not forget that the Wack. Bros. took one film and padded it relentlessly to get 2 films. Brilliant marketing, hack job execution.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Looks like the reviews are of the love-it-or-hate-it variety...d

    by Gere's AssGerbil

    It seems like the criticisms of the reviewers who hated Revolutions could just as easily have been applied to the first Matrix film. Even the "negative" reviewer from the previous Revolutions posting called it good popcorn entertainment. Well, that's really all I'm looking for. I guess I'll find out for myself in two days.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 3:57 a.m. CST

    If You Think The Movie Is bad Before Even Seeing It, Then Why Bo

    by The Founder

    I honestly don't know what people are expecting, Reloaded was good, and I'm sure I'll enjoy Revolutions. What answers are people lookiong for? As far as I'm concerned the 1st sumed up the story, I don't see any questions left unanswered, unless the final one brings something new to the mix I'm happy with the storyline.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 4:02 a.m. CST

    What the hell are you blathering about , Harry?

    by Jimmy Jazz

    I stopped reading when he on his wacky socio political theories. Yawn. I'm gonna go with Peter Travers on this one. He has a tendency to go easy on a lot of Hollywood prestige pictures, but when he's talking about a stinker, he's dead on. His review sounds pretty much like my take of the first Matrix. I think I'll skip this and see the Brit com with Floppy haired Hugh, Qui-Gon and the Sexiest Tomboy Beanpole. Tah.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 4:32 a.m. CST

    2 movies.

    by Fortunesfool

    Is it just me or if you cut all the waffling crap and pointless characters out of Reloaded surely you could have made 1 average film as opposed to two lame ones. Example. trinity has a dream that she gets shot during the FINAL battle, Neo speaks to the oracle, who tells him to find the Keymaker in order to save zion. They do so, fighting many agent smiths along the way. They reach zion(which looks just like the real world but with the power off)and get ready for the final battle against the squid things(which turn out to be agents in there real guise). There one shorter cooler film without all the pretentious bollocks and boring fights.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 4:32 a.m. CST

    I already have my ticket

    by Heleno

    So I'm there. Nice to hear something positive about it. But the use of random CAPITALISED WORDS doesn't really add anything, Harry old boy.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Alex Ross is dull....and his artwork is overpriced.

    by Jon E Cin

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 4:44 a.m. CST

    continuation of 2 movies

    by Fortunesfool

    Just a thought for the better ending. While fighting agent smith, Neo hears that Trinity has been killed and freaks, flying up in the air and trying to turn back time by flying round the world really fast. He fails to do this and instead resorts to hitting F9 and reloading(get it)his last save game where he instead rescues Trinity. He then proceeds to fight Smith again until he gives up and agrees to restore power(life)to Zion. This makes for a happy ending where, releaved everyone finally gets to make a cup of tea for the first time in ages and gets to shower etc.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 4:47 a.m. CST

    you are a box full of surprises, mr.Knowles

    by CuervoJones

    kudos

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 5:16 a.m. CST

    you people are wishing to not like a movie

    by CuervoJones

    and you

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 5:43 a.m. CST

    anticipation

    by Rupee88

    Damn it, I thought Reloaded was horribly flawed, but I still can't wait to give the Wachowskis my money to see this one. I guess the bottom line is that even if the movie sucks overall, it will have some amazing visuals and action that are worth the price of admission. Just the scenes of Neo flying in Reloaded were worth my $8.00. From the commerical, this one seems to have some amazing CGI and visuals as well. That's why I'm going...I've totally given up on the story at this point.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 5:48 a.m. CST

    how much did they pay you for this.... harry...

    by weblabrador

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 5:54 a.m. CST

    Basically...

    by billyhitchcock

    ...everyone is DIFFERENT. GASP. people like different movies. GASP. reviews are only a guide. GASP. and to any harry bashers. GET OFF HIS FUCKING SITE IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!!! i have to concur with Commando Cody.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Didn't Harry say all this about The Mummy Returns?

    by rizla

    And that movie made me piss bile and blood for three weeks afterwards

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 6:14 a.m. CST

    I'm glad harry enjoyed it, way to go,....ya big goofball

    by vibrations

    well machines r an extension of a technology creating species so any transcendental qualities we see or get out of technology is a reflection or extension of ourselves. And so it goes with art and movies. This is a fu#$in funny sight, so don't b sad if u don't like what ever the matrix trilogy turns out to be and it sucks, just have a cookie, before you know it you'll be feeling better in no time.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 6:30 a.m. CST

    I KNEW IT!

    by DustyBooze

    The oracle was right: We are all here to do what we are all here to do. And that means: Revolutions is here to KICK OUR GODDAMN ASSES, KILL ALL OTHER FRANCHISES AND RETURN HOME FOR A CUP OF TEA WITH KILL BILLs HEAD ON A FUCKIN SPIKE! BUHARHARHAAARRR!!!!!!!

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 6:33 a.m. CST

    This movie had to have been a joke

    by Platious.com

    Please say that this is a joke. Please tell me that this was just an amazing expensive prank and they're going to release the real movie soon. I refuse to believe that one of the most mind boggling, and superb movie franchises has been totally, utterly, and embarrassingly ruined. Oh my God, where do I start

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 7:21 a.m. CST

    great moments in communism

    by Acne Scarface

    tienamen(sp?) square...the killing fields...starving families in north korea...no freedom of speech, religion...hmmm. as for the 10 commandments, rape isn't mentioned there, so go on and rape? i'm sure readers who have had that despicable evil commited upon them appreciate the thought. the commandments are a foundation. u don't just throw away the rest of the bible. oh, and for the record, i am a christian, not like anyone cares.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 7:25 a.m. CST

    by Riccardogogo

    -----I should start this post with a caveat: Harry I do, in some perverse way, generally admire your enthusiasm for film. Aicn has, in the past, been a great source of information on interesting film projects. Lately, however you have become completely obsessed with the minutae of popular culture to the point where you are beginning to not make sense any more.----- So the Matrix Revolutions is really an alegory for the post-modern experience of globalisation and capitalism... Bollocks. The Matrix is as much a part of the capitalist system that Harry purports it disects. If we accept that the sequels should never have been made in the first place- why could the audience not be trusted to form its own conclusions from the ambiguous ending of the first movie?- we can begin to see the Matrix for what it really is, a rather dull movie Franchise. It is symptomatic of the vacuous society we live in that a Movie starring Keanu Reeves! has somehow become associated with philosophical debate.The Matrix is a product and those who attempt to gleam philosophical insight/ social commentary etc from it do so only because they are too lazy to bother reading the actual works of literature and critical theory which it so ineffectively plagiarises. Similarly, the paranoia surrounding Harry Knowles is actually more relevant than those who espouse it realise. Whether Harry Knowles is in the pocket of various film studios or not, he is symptomatic of a generation who have been brainwashed from birth that popular culture is somehow the solution to all our problems. That ludicrously enthusiastic section towards the end of Harry's review, When Harry virtually ejaculates regarding the possibility of a Superman movie, illustrates how Harry is infinatley more adept at disecting the shallow/ superficial nature of popular culture than he is of offering an intelligent, coherent commentary of the material he is supposedly reviewing: -"Also, to me

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 7:26 a.m. CST

    The Matrix Revolutions: A case study in Globalisation, Capitalis

    by Riccardogogo

    -----I should start this post with a caveat: Harry I do, in some perverse way, generally admire your enthusiasm for film. Aicn has, in the past, been a great source of information on interesting film projects. Lately, however you have become completely obsessed with the minutae of popular culture to the point where you are beginning to not make sense any more.----- So the Matrix Revolutions is really an alegory for the post-modern experience of globalisation and capitalism... Bollocks. The Matrix is as much a part of the capitalist system that Harry purports it disects. If we accept that the sequels should never have been made in the first place- why could the audience not be trusted to form its own conclusions from the ambiguous ending of the first movie?- we can begin to see the Matrix for what it really is, a rather dull movie Franchise. It is symptomatic of the vacuous society we live in that a Movie starring Keanu Reeves! has somehow become associated with philosophical debate.The Matrix is a product and those who attempt to gleam philosophical insight/ social commentary etc from it do so only because they are too lazy to bother reading the actual works of literature and critical theory which it so ineffectively plagiarises. Similarly, the paranoia surrounding Harry Knowles is actually more relevant than those who espouse it realise. Whether Harry Knowles is in the pocket of various film studios or not, he is symptomatic of a generation who have been brainwashed from birth that popular culture is somehow the solution to all our problems. That ludicrously enthusiastic section towards the end of Harry's review, When Harry virtually ejaculates regarding the possibility of a Superman movie, illustrates how Harry is infinatley more adept at disecting the shallow/ superficial nature of popular culture than he is of offering an intelligent, coherent commentary of the material he is supposedly reviewing: -"Also, to me

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 7:30 a.m. CST

    This may very well be the worst review Harry has ever written

    by witless1

    My God Harry, Think more, write less. To even try to compare Osama Bin Laden, to a character of a movie with a strong Christl-like symbolism (Neo) as laid out in the first movie is patently riduculous. I'm as liberal as they come and I clearly never conceptualized Bin Laden as being heroic in any sense. This is beyond silly, or liberal, or rebelious---it is just crass. Please. And to compare Capitalism as an evil--for a movie with an enormous budget comprised of all flash and no substance and little characterization--it is moronic beyond belief. I like your passion Harry, I really do, But I believe thinking may actually be a dangerous activity for you.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Aint it cool news! that's what the site delivers. Thanks Harry.

    by TheAquabatman

    Where's the appreciation fanboys. Sure Matrix was groundbreaking and stood alone. Sequels, good or bad, give us more imagery and coolness... bring it on... I want more and I want it now. Imagine the travesty if they didn't happen! Storylines, for visual people like me, are irrelevent. gimme eye candy. If they come close, that's a bonus. At the end of Matrix, i wanted to see more of him flying but i didnt want to spend a few hundred million dollars to do it. Thank God the producers did. I wanted more Terminator, the acting and story sucked, but i loved watching it. The trouble with critics is that they're too critical... hmmm Go Harry, stand up for what's cool. Remember to mark your spoilers well, keep giving us your opinion (its your goddam site), get us the information first... we have high expectations for your services. thanks mate.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 8:02 a.m. CST

    What a crock of shit!

    by Benny Profane

    How much did they pay you THIS time, Harry? As a film reviewer, you have all the artistic integrity of Britney Spears.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Redeemed in thine eyes you are Harry!

    by pax256

    Now I must see for myself not only if this movie will make it the best trilogy of all time for me but if taken as a single film simply THE BEST FILM OF ALL TIME displacing the all mighty geek film of all for me and my all around favorite for 21 years: The venerable Blade Runner... I like the first 2 matrix so much it wouldnt take much for the third movie to make it happen... Im an ancient 37 years old and saw Blade Runner in theaters and my movie going experience began with SW in 1977...

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Harry's Revolutions Review

    by godmustbecrazy

    God Damn Son!!!! I was waiting for the positive review from you. I was starting to think that all of the reviews were going to be like that of Reloaded. I didn't really like reloaded until I saw it the second time. So thanks for the positive review.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Good to hear it...I'll be back to read the spoiler parts tomorro

    by minderbinder

    Interesting that there are so many bad reviews, but I'm still psyched to see it.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 8:35 a.m. CST

    PEOPLE WHO THINK THE STORY IS SHITE CAN EAT A DICK-SANDWICH!

    by DustyBooze

    Can't believe people think that Reloaded had a shit story! Just because ya didnt get it! It was fucking cool that The Brothers took a dare with kicking the storyline ZEN-stylee! The same thing happend with Final Fantasy. The story was just too asian for western audiences. Just good that I'm so goddamn clever... he he he.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Harry, I love ya, but your explanation of the Matrix as Capitali

    by FluffyUnbound

    I mean, doesn't your little "embarassment" alarm inside go off when you type something like that? I can't believe that a little success could make you that oblivious to how you sound.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Jebus Christ you people are so damn cruel

    by Russman

    Can't anyone disagree without calling Harry names. Damn!

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Anybody see MTV's "Making The Movie"

    by zer0cool2k2

    on "Matrix: Revolutions"? I caught it the other day, and it's the first thing that's given me some real hope for this film. They showed a lot of the contraptions they developed for the flying scenes and fight scenes. One called the tuning fork they were spinning Reeves and Waeving around in, and one they called the Yak, because everyone they strapped into it threw up. They also had guys strapped into devices so they were actually running upside down on the ceiling. Basically, a lot of what they could have done with CGI, it looks like they found new "old-fashioned" ways to film with live actors. Plus there were guns, lots of guns. They also talk about how they started filming the rain fight scene, but the rain drops weren't big enough, and couldn't be lit the way they wanted, so they spent two months developing a system to produce bigger rain drops. Then Keanu picks up the story where he and Weaving are filming the fight in the new, bigger rain and Keanu tells him he's got to stop because the rain is so big he can't see Weaving and was about to actually hit him. Keanu then drops into Agent Smith voice and says "Yes, yes I was about to strike you as well", or something to that effect. Anyway, the show was pretty entertaining, and a little better than most of the HBO first looks. It made Revolutions seem closer akin to the first film than to Reloaded, but that's kind of contrary to most reports I've read. ............... ................. ..................... Now, I've watched The original and Reloaded on DVD, in preparation for Wednesday, but TBS was running The Matrix Sunday night, and it was while watching it then that I realized just what a fun, although dark, action flick it is. Joey Pants skeptic Cypher lends a menacing almost comic relief to Morpheus' seriousness, and there's really no such counterpoint in reloaded. It got me to thinking that maybe the Wachowski's just started taking the whole thing way too seriously. Sure, there was a lot of philosophical mumbo-jumbo mixed into the first film, but it's purpose was there just to provide a reason for all the ass-kicking that was going on. It also got me to thinking about all the cops, security guards, etc. that Neo and company slaughtered. Weren't they really killing a bunch of humans who were just trying to do their jobs? I understand the whole greater good and better to be dead than a slave and so on, but still, they waste a lot of people! Anyway, I hope the brothers found a way to put that human element back into Revolutions. Harry seems to think they did, and I will be chanting "let it be cool" myself in about 24 hours.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Harry You Have to be Kidding Me

    by Starbuck1975

    The machines are America...fascist, corporate controlled, power hungry America...give me a friggin break...if anything the machines represent the ideals of communism...control, perfection, a totalitarian state, with the Agents being the system programmed KGB boogey men that all look the same and come in the night to make people disappear. Neo is Bin Laden??? Please spare us your left wing bleeding heart bullshit!!! Last I checked, Bin Laden was a terrorist who condones killing innocent civilians in the name of his corrupted ideological version of Islam...name one scene in any of the Matrix films where you have Neo and crew running around indiscriminately killing innocent civilians...dont try to be clever and politically saavy by comparing the Matrix to current events...stick to gushing like the big fat bloated geek that you are...political discussion is beyond your grasp big boy.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Shut up, and enjoy it!

    by samuri999

    My comment on this is if you didn't like the first two, don't see the third. Quit whining and bitching because it didn't meet your expectations. Sometimes, you have to just sit back and stop over analyzing a film, and just enjoy it for what it is. Harry, I'm happy about your review. I think the problem with a lot of people who see sci fi films honestly don't "get it", but it seems you always do. Thank you.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 10:57 a.m. CST

    I thought Osama Bin Laden WAS a

    by Drath

    We

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Well...

    by The_Thin_Man

    Wha-hey! It's a positive review of "The Matrix: Revolutions"! Only trouble is, it came from the only person in the world who actually LIKED "Bad Boys 2". So I think I'll pass. I like the comparisons between Neo and Osama, tho'.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Harry went back and erased all his negative posts about Reloaded

    by timmer33

    And if your back hurts, it's because you're too big. Diets don't work by the way. Try exercise and eat three well-balanced meals a day.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Harry went back and erased all his negative posts about Reloaded

    by timmer33

    And if your back hurts, it's because you're too big. Diets don't work by the way. Try exercise and eat three well-balanced meals a day.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Harry went back and erased all his negative posts about Reloaded

    by timmer33

    And if your back hurts, it's because you're too big. Diets don't work by the way. Try exercise and eat three well-balanced meals a day.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Harry always gets near-incoherent when he truly enjoys a movie.

    by empyreal0

    "All just mouths slack jawed staring like Cavemen at the Alien Mothership beauty as dropped off Amazon goddesses for the Neanderthals to mate with to evolve our species. That

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 12:13 p.m. CST

    No chance you make me read this review

    by mayaV

    I've read about 20 Matrix-reviews in the last days. One of the 'best' called it a big life-time-waisting-machine. I don't want to know anything more. I'm fed. I'll go and see it this weekend. After that I'm willing to talk about it.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 12:17 p.m. CST

    what happened to not reviewing the major films?

    by casmcthorn

    a modest proposal my ass

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 12:50 p.m. CST

    "I liked Matrix Revolutions Better when it was called Cowboy Beb

    by empyreal0

    RIGHT ON, MAN!

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 12:55 p.m. CST

    It's not a "Green" planet but....

    by Shaner Jedi

    ...a BLUE planet! Geez, Harry. :p

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Oh My Gosh

    by orlandocfa

    That was the worst review I've ever read. If your going to waste our time with political commentary, at least have it make sense. This review offended me worse than event he Blade II review, and at the time that was the most repugnanthing I may have ever read. Way to reach for the bottom of your intellect Harry!

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Fuck you Ricardogogo...

    by Pontsing Barset

    ... you pretentious, self important, pedantic, pseudo-intellectual asswipe. Be sure to post again and drop lots of names of books you haven't read, and cut and paste plenty of philosophical quotes about concepts you don't understand...

  • And I think you also know why. I mean, seriously, reading the literature for its high concepts, amazing discoveries or inventions, pithy dialogue on important issues to society or just the story and gosh-oh-golly-gee-whiz action is great, but seeing it visualized there on the Big Screen is the ultimate payoff--the Big O. IF it's done right, of course, and your review gives me great faith in this one. Just one more day to ecstasy!

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Born-Again Christian stereotype not accurate

    by MemBirdman

    Just wanted to say that.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 2:01 p.m. CST

    A Challenge for you, Harry

    by DCAtl

    Harry, this being your site you of course can run it any way you want. That being said, I challenge you to start backing up these liberal notions that you have increasingly been injecting into the gossip and reviews that you give us. It's been happening for a while, but the review for the latest Matrix movie is what has finally prompted me to post for the first time. Why do you disparage capitalism so much? It seems to me that capitalism is the reason that movies such as the Matrix become reality. I don't think I've ever seen a review of cinema from the former Soviet Union on this website -- am I mistaken? This is not meant to be a personal attack in any way -- it's meant to be another addition to the arena of ideas. So think about it, Harry -- who would you rather be the most powerful nation on Earth? France? Russia? China? No citizen in the United States should ever feel ashamed for being an American -- we do more to help this world than any other country ever has. If we want to protect ourselves from Bin Laden and his ilk, who is the U.N. to tell us otherwise? The fact that we have the luxury to sit here and debate the latest Hollywood flick while under siege by terrorists shows the strength of this nation and of its people. Harry, I love this site and you are great at what you do. Let's see some honest debate on these issues if you're going to bring them up -- that's all I ask.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 2:04 p.m. CST

    That'll do Pig, that'll do

    by mansala

    It's been a while since I got a good Harry-style digression in a review. Thanks.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 2:32 p.m. CST

    In a way, Harry's metaphors are right.

    by Lobanhaki

    The terrorism comparison is scary of course, but in a way, it's apt. We like to think of Neo and the rest as freedom fighters. The cliche we all know, one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist, is in some way too much in the way of moral equivalence, but in The Matrix the movie bears it out somewhat. Note that the end of the first movie is essentially a sequence wherein a pair of people walk into a federal building, kill any number of guards and soldiers, detonate a bomb on the first floor, the machine gun the living hell out of another. After that, they free one of their comrades in arms! Seen from that angle, it certainly doesn't seem so sympathetic. Now, we know they're right. We've seen the horrors that the living nightmare the Matrix is inflicts on its prisoners. And we know exactly whose responsible, and that they're wrong for doing it. What makes Osama wrong, and Neo right, in the end, is that Neo is willing to be sympathetic to his enemy, and does not consider them deserving only of death. He's not trying to preserve some abstract balance of power by the lives he destroys. And in a big way, his metaphor about capitalism is right too.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Head over to the site for the PBS documentary series Frontline, and you'll be able to view a particular show called The Merchants of Cool. It will change your picture of the way the media really works in terms of conformity and nonconformity. The Matrix and its current sequel Reloaded trace a very similar path in it's underlying themes. In The Matrix we have the rise of a charismatic, powerful countercultural figure, who frees the minds of people from their essentially cultural prison. And we have people trying to mechanically, if you will, keep them there. But then, in Reloaded, we discover that the counterculture is in part being supported by the system itself, all though not all members of that system are aware of the duplicity present. In Merchants of cool, we are shown how counterculture bands are brought into the entertainment media in order to absorb their coolness, to make the media appear like they're doing something fresh and keeping with it. The ugly truth is that sometimes, when we think that our struggling, our reaching for identity is working, we're actually losing what we fight for. In the end, our best choice is not to give up our choice to one group, one culture or another, but to simply keep our choice, and choose to do, and watch, and speak what we feel we should, and not tie ourselves to some movement or cult of personality.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 2:55 p.m. CST

    You ignorant slut....

    by KryptonsLastSon

    Come to New York and try making Osama out to be a hero fighting for freedom and the US into a totalitarian boogeyman controlling your every thought and feeling. Youd get your dumb ass beat to a pulp. Remember that murdering fuck killed several thousand innocent people you prick. And your PC bleeding heart bullshit does not make up for that. Why the hell does everyone try and make those Islamic fundamentalist fuck-stains into heros and America into the villain. Shut your god damned mouth, and let those who lost friends and family to those mad-men have a little peace.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 3:14 p.m. CST

    The Only Thing Wrong WIth THE MATRIX Movies Are The Fans & The W

    by Buzz Maverik

    These are really good movies. Back in '99, I went to see the first one and had a great time. Nothing more. The philosophy? The religious overtones? Well, only if this is your only source of philosophy and/or religion, otherwise it's just a bunch of pretentious mumbo jumbo which easily blurs with that of the Matrix-fans' arch-enemys, those guys that actually believe in the Force. I had a great time at RELOADED too and I expect to enjoy REVELATIONS. But the thing that casts a pall over the MATRIX films is that people either worship them or despise them. And here's an odd thing: even among the worshippers, ya can't get them to say Keanu is a good actor. He IS a good actor. He's not Olivier, trying to be heard in the back of the theater, but that never worked on film anyway. So here's what I'm going to do: I'm not going to listen to any of you, whether you love it or hate. I recommend that you don't listen to me, but if you do, I recommend that you at least don't listen to each other either. The MATRIX movies are what they are, just like the STAR WARS flicks. Finally, I will say that I think they maybe didn't have to be a trilogy. I suspect that RELOADED might have been largely unnecessary and could have been combined with REVOLUTIONS to be one fine movie, but I will see. Still say not everything has to be a fucking trilogy.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Jack Bauer could kick Neo's ass

    by Just Plain Steve

    Both will save the world, both have come back from the dead, but Jack cut someones head off. What has Neo done to top that?

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 4:15 p.m. CST

    fuck the matrix, THE TENACIOUD D DVD IS OUT TODAY!

    by oat soda

    The D will save Zion! How do you rock in bullet time you ask? efficiently.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 4:18 p.m. CST

    fuck the matrix, THE TENACIOUD D DVD IS OUT TODAY!

    by oat soda

    The D will save Zion! How do you rock in bullet time you ask? efficiently.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 5:58 p.m. CST

    WHY DO PEOPLE WANT THIS TO SUCK?!?!?!

    by E.C.

    Do you not like the Matrix trilogy? Do you not want it to end on a great note? Have the Wachowskis made numerous horrible films that you had hope for that were not only disappointing but were just completely unredeemable? If the answer is no, then why the fuck are you all bitching when you haven't seen the movie yet! It's like all the people that didn't like the philosophical parts in Reloaded just suffered brain damage and started to blindly bitch for some lame-ass "I told you so" ejaculation at the end. Please, I beg of all of you. Shut the fuck up.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Jack Bauer could kick Neo's ass

    by Just Plain Steve

    Both saved the world, both have come back from the dead, but Jack has cut someone's head off! What has Neo done lately?

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 6:08 p.m. CST

    I'm the other guy who liked bad boys 2

    by Macauley_Sulkin

    It's a real shame when someone as passionate about film as harry gets shot down for sharing his enthusiasm with everyone and it does'nt make any sense when talkbackers are so personal when they are attacking harry...i know it's not that important an issue but...have any of you guys actually seen revolutions yet?

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 6:49 p.m. CST

    What about the old "It doesn't have answers because it doesn't m

    by MyGlockYourMouth

    Unless Monica B. does anal, which has not been reported on, I'm waiting for Return of the King and Kill Bill 2. And Battle Royale on DVD.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Rotten Tomatoes reading...ROTTEN

    by Atticus Finch

    But I can't say I am surprised.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 7:32 p.m. CST

    "Communism is the perfect form of government....

    by raw_bean

    unfortunately it can only truly be achieved by social insects like bees or ants. For humans, democracy represents the next best alternative." A somewhat mangled quote of Isaac Asimov, I believe. Or Arthur C. Clarke, perhaps. --- Here's hoping Harry's right, Reloaded was only good, when it should have been great to follow on from the original.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Let's get something straight about "skeptics of religion."

    by nightwatchman

    First, there are many religions and not all include "God." Second, "skeptics of religion" do not believe prophets have contacted some metaphysical reality, hence their reports back to us drooling slobs that lack the faculty to connect with cosmic wisdom is suspect. You're beating down a straw man, Harry.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 7:39 p.m. CST

    In fact...

    by nightwatchman

    ... why don't we have a movie about someone who uses logic and reason to solve problems. Now that would be fucking novel.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Aint it cool?

    by BustRocks

    Aint it cool how a high profile movie gets slammed and Harry rides in on his fat wheezy horse with a 20 paragraph page of bullshit to save the day? Ain't that cool? P.S. Never forget the betrayal of Episode II

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Screw Titanic, make RotK the #1 movie of all time!

    by BANE

    I was one of that apparent 10% that actually liked Reloaded (except the Zion scenes- they're as bad as Jar Jar) but with the little amount of rumors that I have read is making me worry about Revolutions. A truce--- is that a Revolution? If the US was still a colony of England would it be the American Revolution, really? Where's the Rage of the Machine music when we need it!!! I'm still going to see it tommorrow but may save my money for RotK if this movie is has a crappy ending as spoiled. BTW Harry, if you really think communism is great go talk to the people tortured during the Soviet Union's rule. Sheesh- next thing we'll here is facism is a really great thing and the US (as usual) is the Great Satan.

  • That subject heading has nothing to do with what I want to say in the "Your Comment" section. Basically, the stuff about capitalism, communism and terrorists - it's all bad when taken to the extreme. EVERY society needs order and to stand for something without unduly denying its citizens fundamental choices in lifestyle and beliefs. Communism provides order, but stomps on people's freedom to choose. Capitalism generally (or supposedly) thrives on diversity and people's freedoms to choose, but the more a society allows and the more diverse it gets, the more inner conflict it is going to have because you'll NEVER be rid of the people with the absolute belief that they are correct and if you disagree, you're a threat and / or stupid and shouldn't be around them. Efforts to "force" equality (i.e., affirmative action) ultimately only serve to make the racists, for example, angrier and more willing to fight. The proof is in the fact that there are people saying we still have the problem that created affirmative action. The term "terrorism" has been applied to what the U.S. is doing in Iraq, and even though I generally supported the removal of Saddam, I can't ignore the similarities between Al Quida's intent to destroy all non-Islamic "infidels" and the current U.S. government's intention to occupy the region until it becomes democratic, regardless of the desires of some fo the country's otherwise non-violent citizens. The problem I have with liberals, and with the Wachowskis, if my suspicions are correct and they are liberal, is that while they call conservatives intolerant and narrow-minded, they summarily label people and governing bodies who exemplify conservatism in its purest form as evil, which signals to me a narrow-mindedness in and of itself in their refusal to accept that any good can come from a conservative point-of view. If Harry is right and the Machines do represent capitalism and conservatism, then what I've just said is also correct and, taken literally, the terms "narrow-minded" and "intolerant" can be applied to both sides. Last but not least, that all makes sense to me whether it does to you or not. If you want to call me crazy, do so. I strive to stand out in any way I can. :)

  • That subject heading has nothing to do with what I want to say in the "Your Comment" section. Basically, the stuff about capitalism, communism and terrorists - it's all bad when taken to the extreme. EVERY society needs order and to stand for something without unduly denying its citizens fundamental choices in lifestyle and beliefs. Communism provides order, but stomps on people's freedom to choose. Capitalism generally (or supposedly) thrives on diversity and people's freedoms to choose, but the more a society allows and the more diverse it gets, the more inner conflict it is going to have because you'll NEVER be rid of the people with the absolute belief that they are correct and if you disagree, you're a threat and / or stupid and shouldn't be around them. Efforts to "force" equality (i.e., affirmative action) ultimately only serve to make the racists, for example, angrier and more willing to fight. The proof is in the fact that there are people saying we still have the problem that created affirmative action. The term "terrorism" has been applied to what the U.S. is doing in Iraq, and even though I generally supported the removal of Saddam, I can't ignore the similarities between Al Quida's intent to destroy all non-Islamic "infidels" and the current U.S. government's intention to occupy the region until it becomes democratic, regardless of the desires of some fo the country's otherwise non-violent citizens. The problem I have with liberals, and with the Wachowskis, if my suspicions are correct and they are liberal, is that while they call conservatives intolerant and narrow-minded, they summarily label people and governing bodies who exemplify conservatism in its purest form as evil, which signals to me a narrow-mindedness in and of itself in their refusal to accept that any good can come from a conservative point-of view. If Harry is right and the Machines do represent capitalism and conservatism, then what I've just said is also correct and, taken literally, the terms "narrow-minded" and "intolerant" can be applied to both sides. Last but not least, that all makes sense to me whether it does to you or not. If you want to call me crazy, do so. I strive to stand out in any way I can. :)

  • That subject heading has nothing to do with what I want to say in the "Your Comment" section. Basically, the stuff about capitalism, communism and terrorists - it's all bad when taken to the extreme. EVERY society needs order and to stand for something without unduly denying its citizens fundamental choices in lifestyle and beliefs. Communism provides order, but stomps on people's freedom to choose. Capitalism generally (or supposedly) thrives on diversity and people's freedoms to choose, but the more a society allows and the more diverse it gets, the more inner conflict it is going to have because you'll NEVER be rid of the people with the absolute belief that they are correct and if you disagree, you're a threat and / or stupid and shouldn't be around them. Efforts to "force" equality (i.e., affirmative action) ultimately only serve to make the racists, for example, angrier and more willing to fight. The proof is in the fact that there are people saying we still have the problem that created affirmative action. The term "terrorism" has been applied to what the U.S. is doing in Iraq, and even though I generally supported the removal of Saddam, I can't ignore the similarities between Al Quida's intent to destroy all non-Islamic "infidels" and the current U.S. government's intention to occupy the region until it becomes democratic, regardless of the desires of some fo the country's otherwise non-violent citizens. The problem I have with liberals, and with the Wachowskis, if my suspicions are correct and they are liberal, is that while they call conservatives intolerant and narrow-minded, they summarily label people and governing bodies who exemplify conservatism in its purest form as evil, which signals to me a narrow-mindedness in and of itself in their refusal to accept that any good can come from a conservative point-of view. If Harry is right and the Machines do represent capitalism and conservatism, then what I've just said is also correct and, taken literally, the terms "narrow-minded" and "intolerant" can be applied to both sides. Last but not least, that all makes sense to me whether it does to you or not. If you want to call me crazy, do so. I strive to stand out in any way I can. :)

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 8:18 p.m. CST

    The real ending to Revolutions

    by BANE

    What Harry is revealing is actually a plant ending.... the real ending is thus .... *******Spoiler****************** Everything Harry and co says about Zion is true except, Neo fights agent smith. It's raining and agent smith welcomes him back yadda yadda yadda..... The duo fight and fight and fight. Neo breaks smith's glasses. Smith (for some bloody reason now can fly)and seems to get charged by lightning?! shoots a blast at neo staggering him into a building. Neo is down, completely caught off guard. Agent Smith goes in for the killing blow, goodbye mr anderson he shrieks and all goes dark.... Neo is then tapped on the shoulder and wakes up on a concrete floor a voice says "Dude, that shock with the amp was scary, are you alright?" Neo looks up and sees his long time friend Bill (S. Preston esq.) Neo replies" Yeah man I had this weird dream about teachers calling me Mr. anderson and robots and raves and a guy that talks about anomalies",..... anyway it ends witha guitar riff and Wyld Stallions Rules! The End ******END of Spoiler************* That's the real ending can't be any worse than what is rumored. Long live Highway Crossing Frog. Bane

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Seen it, and the first 2 reviews are on the money.

    by adavis1138

    Harry is deluded. Not to mention he was obviously in a better mood than he should have been, getting all this free crap in the mail. I saw it last week and let me say truly I never want to see it again. Reloaded and Revolutions were completely infected with the STAR WARS disease. I don't care how many times they tell us, there is no way I believe they originally planned for 3 movies. The Matrix itself is a great stand alone movie. The best movie made in the 90s. There's a huge reveal when you find about about the existence of the Matrix. Where is the mind screw reveal in either of the sequels? Also, they don't explain anything. What a load of crap that you are intended to believe in the movie as if it was supposed to be like a religion. At least in Christianity they tell you that Jesus was the "son of god". You don't even get that here. And Harry, do you really think that the Wachowski's were intending this to be about Bin Laden? If they truly wrote all 3 when they said they did that would be back in 1997!! Spoilers ahead -> No explanation for how Neo can decimate 1000s of machines with his will power in the real world. The Oracle tells him simply "You know why." Yeah, I know why, they can't write! No explanation for how Neo can see even though he is blind in the real world. No explanation for how he can jump into the Matrix without being jacked in. I could swallow all of his super-powers in the Matrix, it made sense, but actual super-powers in the real world? Also, where was the amazing kung-fu? Where was the techno soundtrack? Finally, they even ripped off their own scene from the first film - the 1st floor lobby scene is completely remade, except this time the bad guys can stand on the ceiling. Are you kidding? This movie was awful and Reloaded was so much more the sequel to the original.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Revolutions: The '2001: a space odyssey' of 2003

    by Octaveaeon

    It could be, toch? (12 more hours to find out)

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 8:33 p.m. CST

    ... or the whole trilogy

    by Octaveaeon

    Remember, many saw '2001' as an overly pretentious film that focused too much on style, and that the acting was too static.

  • Look, you know as much as I that we are going to see this. I'm just hoping that I'll enjoy it! I'll be back with my comments after tomorrow.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 9:03 p.m. CST

    worst.analagy.ever.

    by ElGuapo

    machines=u.s? neo=bin laden?

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Harry free your mind from stupidity.

    by Bari Umenema

    Your political analogies are idiotic. Your knowledge of what communism was is non-existent. You have no education whatsoever in political theory so please don't try to impress us by inserting your sophistry in a movie review you do nothing but make yourself look dumber than usual. Yes you're a movie geek and now a junior producer but your movie is going to be judged on movie terms not political ideology factoids you picked up from assorted internet sites.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 9:36 p.m. CST

    CNN Review exerpts (I haven't seen it yet but this bodes ill...n

    by truthseekr1488

    "Review: 'Matrix' a waste of good technology...Nice video game, but where's the movie?" ....... "Top-line effects, flatlined humanity" ..... "As stated above, the special effects are spectacular, and the [big action sequences] are amazing -- too long, but amazing. But the emotional impact of this movie is zilch." ---- from www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/04/sprj.caf03.review.matrix/index.html (may be spoilers)

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Voting with your wallet...

    by ZeroCorpse

    Yeah. Your boycott of Al Franken's book is working REAL well... His book is only a #1 bestseller and has been for a few months now. O'Reily was #1 for a short time, but Franken's book jumped right back up there and pushed the right wing freak's book out of that spot. And that boycott is really working against Michael Moore, too- He's on the bestseller list, and his movie raked in a ton of cash from rentals and sales. Of course, it makes sense when you realize that the majority who voted for Al Gore (remember that- the MAJORITY voted for Al Gore, and when you add Nader's votes in there, that moves up the anti-conservative population quite a bit) are the same MAJORITY of Americans who are sick of this President, and are supporting Al Franken, Molly Ivins, Michael Moore, Joe Conason and the other liberal writers, while the conservative books seems to have a hard time making as much money or selling as many copies. Coulter's freak-a-thon books dropped off quickly. O'Reilly tanks his own sales by being a rude, obnoxious asshole. "Shut up! SHUT UP! WAHHH!" Conservative boycotts are really hurting us. Please, boycott us some more, like FOX News did with Al's book. We can use the extra money, since President Stupid has caused America to reach the worst unemployment rate in history.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Damnit...

    by PurityOfEssence

    I wanted this film to be good. What is with film series that start out well (the matrix may not be the most original film but hey, I love the hell out of it), and get smashed into the ground by the creators and rabid fan boys. First Star Wars, now this. I hope that Jackson doesn't Fuck up with RotK - but if he commits more of the same sins he did with Two Towers, well I don't even want to say it... what a bunch of shit.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Knowles is a squiddy for "the man"

    by 77s

    Thank God our evil capitalistic machine keeps churning so that Knowles, Hollywood, and all of their ilk can keep bashing the very system that gives them every opportunity to express any banal or hypocritical theory they come up with. Trust me Mr. Knowles, if all this liberal mumbo jumbo was ever going to work, it would've worked by now, and if it had succeeded, today you wouldn't have the luxury of carting yourself around the country living off the fat of the lan' watching movies 24/7. This very website is a product of the system you seem to so vehemently despise. Mr. Smith is like a fundamentalist Christian... PA-LEASE!!! Who is kidding whom? How about converting to the church of the Wachowskis? Maybe we would all get a cut then and I could have my damn car paid off. I had stopped coming to this site for many months because I was sick of all the drive-by attacks on people who deserved better. Nice to see nothing has changed.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Consensus seems to be... it SUCKS!

    by sicboy041

    http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808402448&cf=critic This is just sad, and a sign of how action movies these days seem hell bent on exposition comprised of bigger, badder, and better special effects. Have producers suddenly come to the realization that the movie going public is a bunch of attention lacking drones that have insatiable appetites for things that go bang? You don't need incredible effects all the time, a plot would be nice oh say... once in a blue moon. We all knew that George Lucas got the bug, and thus his (or should I say, our) beloved Star Wars franchise has chosen the path of stupidity, opting for things that look pretty, rather than things that are intelligent and interesting. Please dear god, can someone please come up with something that stimulates our brain cells and intellect, rather than something that attempts to give us all proverbial hard-ons? Thank god for Peter Jackson (but then again, he does have great source material to work from, he just knows how to execute it). The Matrix trilogy will go down in history as one that had so much potential, but fell victim to its own ingenuity, and pissed it all away thinking that we wanted 'faster, more intense', when all we really wanted was 'smarter, more insightful'.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 10:33 p.m. CST

    by AVianes

    Comingsoon.net gave it a 9 out of 10 and their usally never wrong...ever.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 10:36 p.m. CST

    by snake_eyes

    I haven't posted before but I'll try to keep this short. I think many of you are taking Harry's comment about Neo/Bin Laden the wrong way. Harry was merely trying to point out what the first Matrix confirmed...we accept the reality with which we are presented. Harry flipped the scenario around and looked at it through the eyes of the people living in the Matrix. How would they see Neo? He would be the bad guy. A guy who only shows up to fight and destroy their world. That is the only connection. Nothing more nothing less. This review has proven to be a literary Rorschach test because everybody has taken his comment differently. Osama Bin Laden is an evil twisted pile of scum and if you asked Harry I'm sure he would agree without hesitation. He was only trying to make a point that all this time the joke has been on us because we have been told to root for Neo and we have. We were presented with a certain viewpoint and instilled with a certain attitude. When in reality, Neo and his crew cause more harm than good in the Matrix.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 10:53 p.m. CST

    I'm not surprised...

    by the flashlight

    I remember being distinctly underwhelmed when I first saw The Matrix in the theater. It had cool elements, cool fights, but nothing about the concept of the film struck me as original (sentient machines take over the world...yeah, where have I heard that one before...). And the ending - VERY hokey. But I ended up watching the film so many times on HBO and other channels that it grew on me. I went into Reloaded with a lot of hope, but found it lacking, as did most of you. Pointless fight scenes interspersed with confusing and poorly edited exposition. None of the secondary characters were developed enough for me to care whether they lived or died. And now the advance word from virtually every critic is that Revolutions is mediocre at best. I can't say I'm surprised. Once again FX and CGI have overwhelmed the human elements of the story. Which is why LOTR will stand the test of time as one of the greatest achievements in film history - movies that will be watched by generations for decades to come. Because Jackson has given us characters that the audience cares about, and has included human drama to complement the ground-breaking FX.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 11 p.m. CST

    Just 29% positive reviews..

    by Rupee88

    35 reviews in at Rotten Tomatoes http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/MatrixRevolutions-1127201/ and only 29% are positive I read a few and this movie sounds just about as good as Reloaded which means it sucks. They apparently didn't bother to wrap up the story or explain any of the bullshit plot holes in Reloaded.... Prepare to be very frustrated and disappointed when you see this.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Harry has lost all credibility

    by Oranj3

    I'll never read this bullshit site again. This film is DOGSHIT, this trinity is has been WRECKED worse than Star Wars.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Guess what

    by Rupee88

    LOL...that is the best line I've read in a review yet. There are no answers because the Wachowskis are FUCKING SHITTY WRITERS.

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Well, I can say with certainty now...

    by PurityOfEssence

    Its all over, hopefully they will never fuck with it again. What a damn shame...

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 11:45 p.m. CST

    USA Today hated it (1 1/2 stars)

    by Maximus21

    Add that one to the list of bad reviews

  • Nov. 4, 2003, 11:46 p.m. CST

    matrix recycled

    by system3

    Oh how I wish I could agree with Harry... I consider myself a fairly diehard Matrix fan. Unlike Harry, I thoroughly enjoyed the trippy epistomological musings that he could only perceive as turgid psychobabble in Reloaded. But Revolutions couldn't even manage to hang onto that much. I attended a press screening at a large theater in L.A. a week ago and the most striking thing, for me, was how deadly quiet the crowd was afterwards. Frankly, by tomorrow evening I think the buzz will be out that the Wachowskis laid an egg of monumental proportions. The most generous thing I can say about Revolutions is that the CGI is quite spectacular in scene after scene. But even there, it's not as if we haven't more or less seen it all before in the first two installments. And all the eye candy in the world isn't going to make the horrific dialogue and utterly hokey girlfriend-or-freshfaced-kid-picks-up-a-gun-and-saves-the-day tripe easy to swallow. You can pick almost any episode of the Animatrix and find better writing than here. And here's a small but significant spoiler -- the Architect only appears in the last 5 minutes of the film, and the entire sequence where he appeared in Reloaded doesn't so much as get mentioned. Matrix Recycled would have been a far better title. There is nothing here you haven't seen before, and better done at that.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 12:04 a.m. CST

    That Village Voice review isn't really negative

    by Fatboy Roberts

    Hoberman says the philosophizing is pretty empty (always has been) but it doesn't sound too much like a negative review. Berardinelli has essentially the same opinion, maybe a little more down. Hollywood Reporter's review isn't exactly negative, but it isn't glowing, either. I dunno. If anything, lowered expectations should be the order for the day. or night. or early morning. Whenever. Roeper liked it, and the site says Ebert gave it a thumbs up--whether that means it got 2 1/2 stars or 4, anyone's guess. Couldn't read LA Times or Variety's. But if Hoberman and Ebert liked it, it stands a pretty good chance of giving me a good feeling, too. I'd like to read Turan's take, but it looks like the LA Times had someone else do the review.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 12:11 a.m. CST

    I also agree that it probably shouldn't have been the Matrix Tri

    by Fatboy Roberts

    very easily. Yes, there's enough backstory and other sidetracks and side-stories to easily fill 2 movies, an animated anthology and cut-scenes in a video game, but after reading the entire plot of Revolutions and watching Reloaded--there's really no reason that you couldn't tell the same amount of story, with more punch and less filler, by just making Reloaded/Revolutions into one 2 1/2 hour movie. Sure, you wouldn't have gotten Burly Brawl, the Car Chase--but how much better would Reloaded have been if we were simply dropped into the Neb at the very beginning and told that Neo was on his way to the oracle to find the architect and end the war? How much nicer would it have been to have gone through all the Trinity dying drama and the meeting with the architect at the MIDWAY point of Reloaded? Don't you think it might have flowed better to have the entire last hour of Revolutions basically pick up and take off from there? There's nothing in either one of those movies that couldn't have been compacted and edited for brevity and impact. I like Reloaded a fair amount, not as much as the original but I do think it's a good movie--but I'm starting to think of it as I think of Phantom Menace--it's a movie that didn't REALLY need to be made in order to tell the story we're getting in the last 2 parts anyway. Same thing with Reloaded/Revolutions--they really didn't need to be separate movies. Besides, there's something refreshing about the idea of a movie series stopping at two--much like the original Donner/Mankciewicz movies were planned.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Stupid Matrix and their stupid block and punch "fighting" style

    by jackburton2003

    What the fuck? These idiots can download any martial arts program they want, and they all download the same fucking fighting style? Give me a fucking break. Stupid movie and its stupid pretentious philosophy gobblygook. Neo can go to hell and die.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Stephen Hunter at The Washington Post says it's barely more ente

    by Fatboy Roberts

    Yikes. "Neo, schmeo! In "The Matrix Revolutions," directors Andy and Larry Wachowski give up on character; instead, they try havoc and let slurp the dogs of war. The film is a soggy mess, essentially a loud, wild 100-minute battle movie bookended by an incomprehensible beginning and a laughable ending. As a final act and summation of the brilliant "Matrix" and the not-so-brilliant "Matrix Reloaded," it's utterly inconsequential; as pure spectacle it's almost a hoot but only a little more entertaining, finally, than the Redskins."

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 12:22 a.m. CST

    I tried to be fair

    by AlwaysThere

    Some of you probably remember me linking all the hacked TV spots for Revolutions. Reloaded was a hugh downer for me and I really wanted Revolutions to be the best thing ever, but more and more footage came out. No more 2 second clips in a 30 second tv commercial but actual scenes. Then the reviews pour in and its officially. The "W" bros. ends of the spectrum really fucked things up. After such a promising start with the original movie, they went and screwed everything up. Everything could have ended right there, but two sequels followed and have ruined everything. Master & Commander: Far Side of the world and the TTT: EE will help things this November.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 12:23 a.m. CST

    I'm stunned!

    by Leopardghost

    Harry liked 'The Matrix Revolutions'? What a fucking shock? I can't take his reviews seriously, especially after his rave review of such cinematic gems as 'Blade 2' and 'The Phantom Menace'. Give us a break, fatass. Oh, and thanks for at least using spellcheck this time.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 12:29 a.m. CST

    matrix question

    by prodog

    desperately need some help here with the score to the matrix. does anyone, anyone, anyone know what the music is in the background on the "help", "power" and "give anything" commercial spots. its the same music played in the first few trailers. very choral - but its not from the last two scores. really appreciate it.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Why do people still take Harry seriously AT ALL?

    by jackburton2003

    Christ sake, folks, are you people stupid or sumthin'? No one takes Harry's reviews seriously. They just use his site to push their movies. But do you honestly think directors/producers sit at home waiting for Harry to give them a thumbs up? Get a fucking grip. No one should come here to "read" Harry's "writings". Christ sake, the guy has the writing competency of a 5th grader, and I'm afraid that's being just a tad too generous. Come to the site for the spoilers, the movie news -- but for God's sake, don't come to "READ" Harry's ramblings. The guy is such a bad writer and a simpleton that it's not worth your time.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Matrix Revolutions Revolt

    by Cheif Brody

    I was thouroughly disappointed with Matrix Revolutions. Harry, you obviously read WAY more into this movie than I. I felt the W. Brothers let their own characters down! Ahoy, mateys, spoilers ahead...so amscray if ya' ain't seen it! (You DO know it's in theaters now, right?) Neo...All powerful...God-like...Savior? Here, "The One" is no more enlightened than he was in the instant classic original. Still asking more questions than answering them. If diving into Agent Smith and imploding him worked in the first film...why not try that trick again? If you were able to bring her back to life in the original, why not revive Trinity again...for old time sake? Speaking of... Trinity...My second favorite Matrix character...Killed by rebar...After crash landing her ship? Pretty unheroic way to go for such an ass kickin' character. If you're gonna kill Trinity...Let her go out with a bang...not a whimper. Then there's... Morpheus...My favorite Matrix character. Once Neo's mentor and spiritual guide. In Reloaded, the spokesman and leader for freedom in Zion. Here, he is reduced to a Chewbacca-like second banana to the unimpressive Jada Pinkett-Smith. (Did she actually bark at him, "Keep up with me, Morpheus"?) It's as if Andy and Larry wrote the final draft of Revolutions and suddenly realized they forgot to put Morpheus in it! He has absolutely NOTHING to do in this flick...He becomes a bystander to the Revolution and is even upstaged by secondary characters (some who make their first appearance in this final installment). Sorry, Harry...I think the "fan" in you clouds your judgement. The movie is awful...I sat there thinking, did the Wachowski's learn nothing from Uncle Lucas' failures? After watching the "bajillionth squiddie" get plastered with bullets, I thought of all those CGI battle droids in Phantom Menace I cared nothing about getting blown to bits...and no matter how "cool" it looked...It didn't advance the story or make me feel any more for the characters. I think the W. Bros. never expected to string this thing out over three movies and painted themselves into a cinematic corner...where even 5000 CGI effect shots couldn't save their butts. Because they forgot what George Lucas forgot long ago... People love the characters...not the eye popping special effects. The Wacko-ski's let Neo, Trinity, Morpheus and ALL of us down... I think I'll go back and watch the original...anything to get this awful taste out of my mouth. Peace out!

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 1:33 a.m. CST

    It all makes sense...

    by MoViE JuNkIe

    Listen up people after seeing all these movies i said What the F***!also but i rented out the animatrix and all you got to do to understand the back story and the concept of the matrix see is the 2nd renaissance part 1 and 2 to understand the whole shebang. the guys that made these movies arent stupid it so much material to cover it would have taken several movies to tell the movie properly and explain it to the brain dead people out there with no imagination. The machines felt are not the bad guys we are the greedy humans and the movie shows what happens when u push someone so far. do yourself a favor people read the online comics and look at the animatrix and then come back and tell me that the movie still stinks i originally thought it stunk too but after seeing the supplemental stuff that the matrix boys have done is great. maybe they can make a prequel for the matrix explaining the events that happened for those that dont like anime or reading comics... hey on second thought i hope they do make a prequel that is so cool...

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 1:45 a.m. CST

    But does the movie feature this?

    by vekt0r

    Let the bodies hit the floor. Let the bodies hit the floor. Let the bodies hit the floor.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 1:49 a.m. CST

    The Wachowskis' $200,000,000 Turd

    by system3

    How I wish I could agree with Harry... Hell, I can't even figure out what he was raving on about (Cut down on the dosage of that stuff, will ya? No one here wants you to check yourself into the bunk down from Rush). Anyways, I consider myself to be as diehard a Matrix fan as the next geek, and damn I'm disappointed. Unlike our friend Harry, I even enjoyed the trippy epistomological musings that he dismissed as turgid psychobabble in Reloaded. But Revolutions was so mindless that it just bailed on the key premise of Reloaded --that Neo has been there and done that already. I attended a press screening at a large theater in L.A. a week ago and the most striking thing, for me, was how deadly quiet the crowd was afterwards. Frankly, by tomorrow evening I think the buzz will be out that the Wachowskis laid an egg of monumental proportions. The most generous thing I can say about Revolutions is that the CGI is quite spectacular in scene after scene. But even there, it's not as if we haven't more or less seen it all before in the first two installments. And all the eye candy in the world isn't going to make the horrific dialogue and utterly hokey-girlfriend or-freshfaced-kid-picks-up-a-gun-and-saves-the-day tripe easy to swallow. You can pick almost any episode of the Animatrix and find better writing than here. And here's a small but significant spoiler -- the Architect only appears in the last 5 minutes of the film, and the entire sequence where he appeared in Reloaded doesn't so much as get mentioned. Matrix Recycled would have been a far better title. There is nothing here you haven't seen before, and better done at that.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 1:49 a.m. CST

    If it's as good as reloaded i'm very happy

    by vibrations

    Give Harry a break!! his enthusiasm for revolutions is exatcly what I get from the the first two matrix films. Looking at these postings most of you won't like it, which is why i'm thankful that something like this was able to be made, cause obviously if they did market research they would get all this negativity from straying too far from the formula. If u don't like it, go to something else. I understand, for me, the two towers has probably ruined lord of the rings and it's kinda frustrating that so many people like it but it's the way the cookie crumbles. I do think that a consevatist is unwilling to give something up and that peace means pieces or sharing, so following that line i would say that Neo is not a conservatist but is liberal as he wants to co-exist with the machines, as i'm suspecting the resolution in revolutions will be.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Keanu Reeves

    by Mr President

    oh man, is this guy bad or what? how do you kill a movie? -write a crap script -get a wooden actor -rely on SFX -make the plot incomprehensible -finally, make the ending such a let-down, that everybody feels completely hollow and angry... Welcome to the Wachowski Bros and the Matrix Revolutions !

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 4:30 a.m. CST

    TheGingerTwit--Undercover Brother OWNED ALL

    by snowwrestler

    Say what you want about the Hulk or the Matrix or LOTR or whatever...it won't matter next year when UB owns all their asses once again!!! UB will takes its place at the top as greatest franchise of all time!! IT WILL ROCK YOUR ASS!!!!!! ***************************************************************** UNDERCOVER BROTHER: RELOADED -- 2004!! ***************************************************************** RETURN OF THE UNDERCOVER BROTHER -- 2005!!!!!!!!!

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Banner Ads

    by Darth Sarcasm

    Did the Matrix suddenly take ou an ad on this site?

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Harry Is Right.

    by MarshallRodman

    Hi. This is my first time posting. Harry, is almost always spot-on with his reviews, and for certain, was spot-on in his assessment of this film.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 4:51 a.m. CST

    By the way...

    by MarshallRodman

    I hope to God Episode III is going to be better than either previous films....

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Repeat offenders

    by Gere's AssGerbil

    Just finished reading the talkbacks. Pretty entertaining stuff so far, guys. I especially like mynameisnobody. This guy has posted like ten times already on this talkback to bag on Revolutions. Hey, dude: Do you have a job or anything important to do with your life? Or did Revolutions scar you so badly that you feel compelled to warn the rest of us of its poor Tomtato scores? Whatever the case, keep it up. The fact that you keep posting is hilarious.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 5:25 a.m. CST

    harry smokes huge amounts of crack

    by millermeusa

    i saw a private screening at the AMC theatre here in Philadelphia at midnight.....the movie stunk!!!! and was as boring as Aliens 3!!!

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Why Oh Why Oh Why?

    by paranoid-bunny

    "You see

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Cannibal Nun is a mentally challenged 12 year old

    by devil0509

    That much is obvious. Why do you people indulge the angry child by actually BELIEVING anything he claims? If his choice in movies doesn't give away his age and intellectual limitations, his incredibly poor spelling and lack of ability to form a coherent thought in writing do. The internet is full of losers attempting to construct an alternative reality in which they're older, richer, cooler, and better looking. Laugh at them, but don't believe them.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:46 a.m. CST

    There has got to be a Harry Knowles quote calendar.

    by KONG33

    "THIS film has tangible cause and effects, and hokey emotional schmaltz, no more cheesy than a thumbs up from a T-800 on his way to oblivion."

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Nun, your posting style has become extremely derivative of....

    by FluffyUnbound

    MY OWN, and unfortunately you're also not doing it right. So let me host an episode of "Inside the Posting Studio" for you. First off, you have to remember that playing the blues isn't about making yourself feel better - it's about making OTHER people feel WORSE. So malicious rants in a breathless style are fine, but you have to include less personal detail about yourself. Take the cars thing, for example. Now, it probably made you feel very nice to talk about your cars at length, and you probably thought that it would put your opponents in their place. But you fail to realize that your average mongoloid American fuck has been conditioned to immediately discount anything said, by anyone, on the subject of their own resources. It's a Pavlovian response, probably evolved into the meme system to maintain social peace in a non-egalitarian system. So you didn't make anyone feel bad with that content, because you were hitting right on scar tissue - dead psychic space. What you have to do is focus more on the probable weaknesses of your opponents. Attacking their poverty is fine - just do so on the offensive, without making reference to yourself. Let your own status simply be implied. Believe me, I know: once you make it about you, you've already lost. Another good thing to do is to snidely undermine the things that give your opponents joy. Always make them think that the things they like are no good - and the things that are somewhat good, won't last. This requires some discipline, because sometimes you can't do it directly: you have to sneak up and actually commiserate with them about how the latest "X" is a terrible disappointment, how you had hoped for better, how things were better in the old days, etc. Works like a charm. Always attack hope: most peoples' grip on hope is very tenuous at best, undermined by natural human self-doubt and by the guiding principle of their civilization, which is to believe in nothing and to value nothing without qualification. The insecurity of others is your friend: play to it. And if some poster talks shit to you, he probably thinks he's a real cowboy, so you have to break that son of a bitch in two. Take the butt of your joke and jam him in the nose with it. He'll start screaming, his frustration will be everywhere - nobody says fucking shit after that. You might want to try a posting apprenticeship: my style is very difficult to do well, and you might want to start smaller. Try imitating George the 6th Chicken or the Hulk Hogan guy for a while first. Or maybe just do "First" posts while you practice offline. You know: Wax on, wax off. You'll get there.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Well EclipseMagazine Love It.

    by twister5002001

    Well malexandria over at EclipseMagazine.com loved it, so what does that tell you? http://www.eclipsemagazine.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=785

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 8:07 a.m. CST

    wow.

    by valour

    lots of people getting Very Upset over opinions of a movie. Funny stuff. Keep it up!

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Crap Movie

    by Smith4158

    I'm sorry, but I gave the Bros. a chance to wind things up with this third movie, but I was given nothing.I saw it last night at a free preview, and the only saving grace it had was that I saw it for free. As usual the special effects were great and the end fight showed that ,yes Harry, a Superman movie can be made truly believable. However, the story was amazingly slow and chopped in such a way as to be almost boring. The Zion battle was a great CGI-fest, but it took so long we nearly forgot about Neo or even cared about what he was doing.I have more on the movie,but I'll save it for another time since I'm in a rush.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 9:14 a.m. CST

    mynameisnobody, i'm with you

    by Hud

    although I did like Matrix Retarded (Monica Bellucci + cliff-hanger ending!). I also think the sequels were afterthoughts. I think the Wachowskis exhausted their limited stylistic obsessions (bathrooms, dominatrixes, patsies) in movie 1 and literally ran Matrix Retarded in circles in search of an exit. And great use of "meretricious"! An especially nasty and dead-on way of describing the sequels.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Tomato Meter at 15%

    by Alekhine's Cat

    Making this into a trilogy was a big mistake. It seems that Hollywood just can't leave well enough alone anymore. They had one great movie, a classic even, and now it's tainted.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Harry's review

    by CTM1975

    If Harry is right, and Revolutions really does give us no answers to the big questions, then I have to agree with some of you that this was NOT originally a trilogy, and the Wachowskis were just back for more cash. The first film didn't give us "all the answers," and left the future open, but was also ended at a great place.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 10:33 a.m. CST

    OH NOOOO!!! Revolutions is ROTTTENNN!!

    by phaethon

    Revolutions is ROTTEN!! ohh nooo, better go see something with a FRESH rating like Elf (60%), School of Rock (97%) [Jack Black is SOOOOO funny], or maybe Out of Time (79%) since they are each several times better than Revolutions. I cite the all knowing ratings of "cream of the crop" reviewers.. Maybe even Under the Tuscan Sun (60%).. Just go see it then talk about how bad it is. PS I know people love Jack Black.. I find his humor boring.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 11:19 a.m. CST

    one heckuva ride, but...

    by KarkClent

    I really enjoyed this film but there were few things that bugged me. The one thing that gets swept under the rug is: if Neo is the savior of humanity, then why aren't the enslaved coccoon human copper tops freed? Are we to believe that all this plot buildup and quasi-religious symbolism for "The One" was only for him to save the inhabitants of Zion and no one else?

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 11:51 a.m. CST

    More hippo-crisy...

    by K0NY

    The gaggle of tools who've yet to see a film they've all but written off are quick to jump on Harry when he gives a glowing review. Though, if he had added his considerable weight to the Revolutions pile-on, the would have been wallowing with him and crying "I told you so" despite not actually seeing the film. I've said it before and seen it twice already: Revolutions is awesome. Upon the second viewing, I think I like it more than the original. Main reasons being that we don't have to watch Neo be naked, accupunctured, confused or pensive for a majority of the flick. Revolutions is fun and satisfying as a film watching experience. If you get off trashing a flick, you can do that as well, but I wouldn't agree with you.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 12:16 p.m. CST

    More hippo-crisy...

    by K0NY

    The gaggle of tools who've yet to see a film they've all but written off are quick to jump on Harry when he gives a glowing review. Though, if he had added his considerable weight to the Revolutions pile-on, they would have been wallowing with him and crying "I told you so" despite not actually seeing the film. I've said it before and seen it twice already: Revolutions is awesome. Upon the second viewing, I think I like it more than the original. Main reasons being that we don't have to watch Neo be naked, accupunctured, confused or pensive for a majority of the flick. Revolutions is fun and satisfying as a film watching experience. If you get off trashing a flick, you can do that as well, but I wouldn't agree with you.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson and the Matrix

    by John_Milner

    Reloaded is an O.K. follow up to the first film, it wasn't needed and neither is Revolutions as the first film wrapped itself up at the end. But Reloaded does get better with repeated viewings. I will wait til I see Rev. to make my decision on it. Second, you dingleberries that go on and on about Peter Jackson being a demi god for LOTR. First off, the subject matter was there, he didn't create shit. Secondly it's not that hard to take something already established and bring it to the screen and make it a good film if you ignore the studio heads and other morons at the studios that usually put their 2 cents in and ruin films. You'll notice when Peter Jackson DOES change things for his own reasons they end up turning to shit. Prime example being Faramir's character and the Osgiliath scene. So don't give that hairy Hobbit any more credit than he's gotten, cause when he decides to do things his way instead of Tolkeins it ends up being garbage.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson and the Matrix

    by John_Milner

    Reloaded is an O.K. follow up to the first film, it wasn't needed and neither is Revolutions as the first film wrapped itself up at the end. But Reloaded does get better with repeated viewings. I will wait til I see Rev. to make my decision on it. Second, you dingleberries that go on and on about Peter Jackson being a demi god for LOTR. First off, the subject matter was there, he didn't create shit. Secondly it's not that hard to take something already established and bring it to the screen and make it a good film if you ignore the studio heads and other morons at the studios that usually put their 2 cents in and ruin films. You'll notice when Peter Jackson DOES change things for his own reasons they end up turning to shit. Prime example being Faramir's character and the Osgiliath scene. So don't give that hairy Hobbit any more credit than he's gotten, cause when he decides to do things his way instead of Tolkeins it ends up being garbage.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 12:23 p.m. CST

    What do Canniball_Nun and H2's have in common?

    by Atticus Finch

    Both guzzle a lot of fluid...H2's = fuel, Canniball Nun = cum

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Clarkkent - pay closer attention (SPOILER WARNING)

    by K0NY

    The Architect agreed that he'd be freeing all those folks that wanted to be freed when he had his ending chat with the Oracle. So Neo DID save them, as well as the people of Zion, as well as the machines. Anyone who's seen the Animatrix can tell you that human emotions like greed and fear and envy started the war between man and machines. Initially, centient machines wanted to coexist in peace with humans. Maybe Neo's selfless act redeemed humanity in the machine's eyes and allowed them to believe that a peaceful coexistance is possible.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 1:06 p.m. CST

    This movie is a DISASTER

    by Doc_McCoy

    All talk, not much action. The 6:00am crowd was laughing through the whole movie -- and it wasn't meant to be funny. Makes RELOADED look like a masterpiece. It had its moments, but anyone who thinks this movie wasn't bad as a whole is fooling himself.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Harry a religious nut? whoda thunk it?

    by DarkWater

    Don't think I didn't see those undertones in your review. But, that's what happens when you come from the bible-thumping belt.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Just got back...and it was very cool.

    by minderbinder

    Not a perfect movie, but much better than Reloaded (which I liked but didn't love). So they don't answer all the questions, so what? I liked that they didn't take the easy way out with the character arcs. And that squiddie battle...man, probably the best action sequence I've ever seen on film. That's the stuff that should have been in Clones and T3, they'll have a tough time topping this in the sequels. And for all the people that have bitched that the fights in the Matrix movies don't result in any pain...get ready for some pain.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 1:44 p.m. CST

    What's up with the obsessive quoting of rotten tomatoes from guy

    by minderbinder

    Think for yourself already.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 2:40 p.m. CST

    uhmmmmm...yeah right.

    by stewiegriffin

    I'm not sold, I refuse to give in to "The Machines" and give them my hard earned 10 bucks for this crap. The whole Matrix thing is so fucking over rated.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Reading List for Harry

    by Dachsie

    Harry, in light of your comments on capitalism and the war on terror et al, here is a list that will help "free your mind": "Heaven On Earth" by Joseph Muravchik, "Socialism" by Ludwig Von Mises, "Black Book of Communism", "Against All Hope" by Armando Valldares, "FDR's Folly" by Jim Powell, "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, "Road to Serfdom" by Friedrich Hayek, "Nazi Economics" by Avraham Barkai, "On the Origins of War" by Donald Kagan, "Mystery of Capital" by Hernando De Soto, "War Against America" by Laurie Mylroie, "Threatening Storm" by Kenneth Pollack, and for religion and Jesus, "Science of God" by Gerald Schroeder and "Our Father Abraham" by Marvin Wilson.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 3:58 p.m. CST

    I can hear the ghost of siskel saying "Roger.. Roger... Stop giv

    by A 30+ User

    Here's a Snip of What Ebert Had To Say: "Note: "The Matrix Reloaded" was notable forthe number of key characters who are black; this time, what we notice is how many strong women there are. Two women operate a bazooka team, Niobe flies the ship, the women have muscles, they kick ass, and this isn't your grandmother's Second Sex anymore." http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/cst-ftr-matrix05.html i still like how harry and roger have there differences, right down to boobs and ass. btw, how was the t&a :D

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 4:04 p.m. CST

    If You

    by Bloogy

    I can accept that not every small detail will be explained by the end of the trilogy, but one seemingly huge detail remained unexplained at the end of Revolutions, and its been driving me crazy for the last few hours: What is the connection between

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 4:35 p.m. CST

    The Explanation

    by Flipao

    Neo has become "The Lawnmower Man". :P What piece of crap this movie is. And I loved Revolutions damnit.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 4:52 p.m. CST

    "What is the connection between

    by minderbinder

    I assume it's because Neo took what he learned in the Matrix and applied it to the real world: the physical limitations of the world around us are only imagined and can be overcome. Kinda "supernatural" but I'm OK with that.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 5:12 p.m. CST

    www.geocities.com/matrixrevolting

    by radii314

    told ya all ... now if the W siblings had an ounce of the imagination for a deep story we all thought they might after M and M:ReL the story might have been good, like the one on this site ... created so disappointed fans can get a taste of what should have been ...

  • this movie was good at best. Reloaded atleast held my attention. This was a movie where the trailer looked outstanding and you wondered how this movie could not be incredible. Well it wasn't. Who ever cut that trailer together should get a raise.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 5:40 p.m. CST

    My Revolutions Review

    by zer0cool2k2

    So, the Trilogy is complete. The story

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Monica Bellucci got some nice-ass tits.

    by tonyblac

    man those pups were the most special effect in the movie.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Terrible movie

    by ThingsThatTimDog

    I just couldnt get over the unbelievable amount of cheese in this film. *SPOILERS*******************************************************The first scene with the lil girl was okay but when the Indian (of course) guy then went into yet another existential crap fest on karma I just rolled my eyes. And then the laugh track inducing crap fest between the "Captain" and the "Boy" about being sixteen. I expected him any minute to say, "Pod born? I didnt know they stacked shit that high in pods." The first Smith/Neo confrontation I enjoyed but its like Quint said, even Bill S. Preston Esquire isnt stupid enough to not figure out hes Smith after 3 minutes of him talking. (BTW, if that wasnt a voice dub, then tat actor did a mega-fucking job doing Hugo's voice). Then we have the battle...that just keeps going and going and going. Meanwhile nothing fucking happens. Some calamari dies, a ship bangs its way through a tube, and we get to see some Aussie Roid Rage screeming at the screen. Joy!! Then we have Neo going Dragonball Z on Smith for 10 minutes. This was actually pretty cool minus the multitude of stupid impact explosions which just got silly after awhile. Then it just sorta ends...and Im not even sure exactly why it did end the way it did to be honest. I got why Smith turned into Super Vegeta and all that but not how Neo beat him by being absorbed, but considering all the other cheese covering this celluloid I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it was "Tha Powa of Luv". Out.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 5:58 p.m. CST

    SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER!!!

    by CaptainHendry

    Just got back from the 10am Imax screening. Peter Travers (whose reviews I always hate) nailed it. Great spectacle, cool FX, and the film resolves nothing. Seriously. SPOILER ALERT!!! Neo arranges a truce. The machines just turn around and leave zion. The film ends with all the pod people still in their pods. Okay, fine but we know there's a plan to free them right? Neo is going to somehow free humanity from slavery to the machines the way he threatened to in the phonebooth scene at the end of the first movie, right? He's going to find a way to un-scorch the sky, right? Wrong. No plan and no hope of one. The machines can wipe out the humans any time they want. But they're willing to let a few people continue eeking out a meager subsistence in the sewers eating gruel and having cave orgies, so long as the bulk of humanity continues to serve as batteries. What a triumph! Why will I not see this again or buy this crap on DVD? Because I choose not to.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Give it a rest please!!!

    by CheckMateH

    If you hated the movie, fine your entitled to your opinion, but let everyone else make up thier own minds. I really enjoyed the movie and was more than satisfied by the ending, at the same time I had the feeling that most people would hate it. Why? Firstly because the original Matrix left itself open ended and everyone developed thier own thoughts on where it would lead. It's a shame if you felt let down, it really is but it was almost impossible for Wachowskis to meet everyones expectations. And secondly because nobody really won and for some reason a lot people hate that kind of ending.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Loved It

    by ManosTHOF

    It entertained me, beginning to end.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Lana Wachowski?

    by AlwaysThere

    Larry wants to be a Lana? ROFLMAO. First they make a crappy sequel that tries to be good, and then they make another dismal movie that doesnt reference any of the bullshit in the first sequel. I cant believe the jackasses over at hometheaterforum and IGN that make excuses for the movie and blinded by green matrix code. Luckily, there are tons of smart people on this site and CHUD. Atleast they get the complete pitcure and are disappointed by these crappy sequels.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Hendry, you weren't paying attention.

    by minderbinder

    I guess you missed the part where they said that the humans in the Matrix would be freed?

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 6:30 p.m. CST

    two words:movie sucked

    by jackmeat

    nuff said

  • seeing as i was one of the rare bunch of matrix fans that actually liked reloaded, i had higher expectations for revolutions than most. and, looking back, there was still a lot to like. but three things really bug me about revolutions: (1) how was it a big deal that the architect is gonna free 'all those that want to be freed' from the matrix? the matrix works by foreclosing any awareness that you have a choice in the first place. so unless they're gonna start erecting exit signs, it's a pretty worthless concession; (2) how come so many of the main characters were effectively sidelined for so much of the film? i liked the little zion sub-plots and all, but the once-mighty morpheus is effectively reduced to a two-bit sidekick; (3) killing off the one character who was the raison d'etre for the main character seems to undercut the point of the trilogy. but maybe that's just me being sappy.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7 p.m. CST

    Matrix: Revolver

    by Zydd13

    Thank you, W. Brothers! Finally a huge movie has been made the doesn't cater to the 'lowest common denominator'! Finally a movie that gives the audience some credit! Finally a movie that strives to be something more than a tool to separate us from our money. I've spent the last few hours thinking about revolutions, and the more i follow the path of the characters and the plot of the trilogy, the more connections i see... and the more everything makes sense. What goes around comes around, as they say. Not everything is answered of course, but that's half the point! Consider it a puzzle, and you've gotta find a few of the pieces yourself. Some people aren't gonna bother, and that's their choice, but really that's what it all comes down to anyway: Choice. THERE IS A POINT TO ALL THIS! A MESSAGE! And a good one, i think. Every choice made by every character has an effect - as the Merovingian says. If any of the main characters had not listened to their heart and choosen for self-preservation or cowardice or greed or whatever instead, the ripple effects from that small decision could have doomed them all. If the 'marine-drill-sargeant' character hadn't trusted his instincts and let the 16 yr-old help, think of the consequences! Or if Link's girl hadn't choosen to stay and help? And there are endless examples of this in the trilogy. The future of zion, and our future as well, depends not only on the decisions we make as a people but on those everyday decisions we make as individuals as well. The Oracle embodies this message... and by the end, Neo as well. So thank you, everyone who brought this story and this vision to life. You have chosen... wisely.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Neo = Neville Chamberlain

    by radii314

    As erudite as many of the posters are, did you all miss it?

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Simply put, the movie is beyond Harry's ability to review...

    by HappyHamster

    He does not have the proper background in reglion, history or philosophy to give this movie a proper review. Christ, Neo is like Bin Laden in a cave? The fight would have been cooler if Neo looked more like Superman? I'd rather Harry sent me toothpicks with which to gouge my eyes than make such a lame attempt at a review of a movie that's beyond him (which I get the feeling he knows).

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Harry, Harry...

    by Aragorn II

    I agree with you that the movie rocked, but why must you fill your review with undergraduate musings on the political symbolism of the movie, which I'm willing to bet would have the Wachowskis doubling over with laughter? Why not focus on the stuff we geeks come here to read and discuss. Like the subtle Original Trilogy references? Just a thought. However, until I start my own site called "Ain't It REALLY Cool News", I guess I shouldn't bitch too much.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:07 p.m. CST

    No I didn't miss it, you did.

    by CaptainHendry

    Yeah, I was paying attention. SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER!!! The oracle askes if those who "want to be free" will be. The architect says yes. That means a few people like Neo and Trinity and the rest who resist the matrix can remain free. The elite will survive, like some Barbara Streisand idea of the perfect holocaust. But the vast majority of humanity will continue to be coppertops...expendable. And I'm sure that's exactly what the Wachowskis believe as they reap in the millions from moviegoers like minderbinder who are either too dumb to realize they're being insulted or arrogant enough to think they're better than everyone who has a job, goes to church and, generally speaking, chooses not to be an amoral sociopath. Oh, and anyone who thinks Cornel West is a genius should be forced to listen to him rap until some real "gnosis" creeps over them.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:14 p.m. CST

    BLOOGY: To answer you explanation (SPOILERS!!!)

    by HappyHamster

    Remember how a blind Neo could still see the machines and Agent Smith, yet not see Trinity or the ships the humans built? The clue here (a clue that 99.9% of reviews missed) is that Neo had the power to affect things either *in* the Matrix or *connected* to the Matrix. It's also why he could heal Trinity in the Matrix, but not while she was disconnected from it. So the real world isn't a second level simulation. However parts of it are connected to to the Matrix and Neo has power over anything connected to it. The Bros Wachowski never tell you this. It's one of many things they expect for you to figure out on your own after digging.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:17 p.m. CST

    My thoughts on Matrix: Revolutions, Part 1

    by Uncle Sam

    I wrote "Part 1" because I haven't seen the film yet, so "Part 2" will probably be posted this week-end (maybe even only next week). Harry's review was quite profound. "That's why all Messiahs must die" indeed. Man, how I'd love to have extensive geek conversations with that guy. Anyway, now I'm EXTREMELY looking foward to this movie, and if it's as good as Harry says, I might even go see it four times at the theater (all matin

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:17 p.m. CST

    My thoughts on Matrix: Revolutions, Part 1

    by Uncle Sam

    I wrote "Part 1" because I haven't seen the film yet, so "Part 2" will probably be posted this week-end (maybe even only next week). Harry's review was quite profound. "That's why all Messiahs must die" indeed. Man, how I'd love to have extensive geek conversations with that guy. Anyway, now I'm EXTREMELY looking foward to this movie, and if it's as good as Harry says, I might even go see it four times at the theater (all matin

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:28 p.m. CST

    AlwaysThere

    by PurityOfEssence

    Lana Wachowski's funny but: "Luckily, there are tons of smart people on this site and CHUD. Atleast they get the complete pitcure and are disappointed by these crappy sequels." That's got to be the funniest/most idiotic thing I have heard in a while. Tons of smart people my ass. Film sites are littered with pretentious ass after pretentious ass. Is the film disapointing probably (haven't seen it yet) but movie fanboys are so arogant and petty the only "intelegence" they seem to have is spending half there day to come up with "clever" insults. You fanboy extremists actually make me hate film and being in anyway associatted with the medium.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:47 p.m. CST

    please fix your html

    by Vision

    please fix your html

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 7:58 p.m. CST

    There's a fine line between cool and cheese...

    by Batutta

    ...and the Wachowski's ran back and forth over that line too often for this too be a good movie. All the crap with that kid was the kind of laughably bad shit we've seen in hundreds of cheesy war movies. I thought the bros were smarter writers than this. Neo dies so we can be free? Yet another GODDAMN christ allegory!!! Weak. Oh, so weak.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 8:02 p.m. CST

    who cares if it's good or bad

    by Renata

    I'm seeing it next week at the Director's Guild for free.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 8:10 p.m. CST

    I only have this to say...

    by The Midget_King

    Cannibal_Nun regardless of the car you drive, whether it be your H2 or Jaguar xj8 (supercharged, naturally), I would still pull you over. -over and out

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Avenging Fist

    by BillEmic

    I think nearly all of us here can concede that most of The Matrix is not original, and borrowed from several other sources (whether they be other scif-i movies, books, or whatever, such as Nueromancer)...however, I thought it was pretty glaringly obvious that the W Brothers lifted the final fight scene between Neo and Smith from the Hong Kong release "THE AVENGING FIST", directed by Andrew Lau. Did anyone else make that connection? Just curious. If anyone doubts, just seek it out. You can get it on DVD. It has hero versus villain, dressed in black, fighting above a cityscape at night in the rain, flying throughout the air.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 8:35 p.m. CST

    i dont know what to think

    by killinbillin

    im seeing it atleast one more time, just to fully absorb it...i was a huge matrix nerd, but im dont think so now...that ending...they seriously copped out...the zion fight wasnt bad, wasnt great, same for the smith/neo final showdown...i think smith was the 'one' but thats left for another post... hey dipshit, bane is smith! i know you arent the smartest guy around neo, but jesus h christ, he called you mr.anderson! idiot! same goes for -spoiler- trinity's death speech...people are dying in zion, let him go already, just saying 'kiss me one last time' and thats it! shut up! in fact, the entire love connection between neo and trin seemed so awkward and forced...get some better lines wackowskis...fuck that irritating 'kid', i hope he burns in hell, same goes with morpheus, persephone almost had more good lines than that cowardly bastard! thats just the parts i didnt like off the top of my head...this could have been a great ending to a good saga, but it just seems so pedestrian...if you showed this one before the first movie, people would have sworn they were done by different people...the brothers wakowski pissed me off hard core

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 8:51 p.m. CST

    The End

    by djlush

    Why are humans still connected to the pods? Well, thats such an easy question I can't believe its causing such a rise out of people. In the Animatrix it is explained that the Humans are the ones that created AI, enslaving the machines and ultimatly creating a war with them once the machines fought back. In Reloaded there are a number of "boring" speaches that actually did explain things to come. Councillor Hamann and Neo have a conversation about humans and machines both needing each other, one is reliant upon the other on the most fundamental levels. Well, just because a "peace" has come, do you think Humans are just going to quit using machines?..well no of course not. Now... why would the machines just give their energy source?

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 9:12 p.m. CST

    My first, and possibly last, posting ever.

    by Smeghead_54

    I hated this movie, but that is not what I am going to address here. My true disdain for this bastardization of a GOOD idea is, from here on, beside the point. I would really like to address that thing Harry Knowles called a review. I have argued and defended and believed in and for you Harry. I have given you the benefit of every doubt. Many times you have been one of the sources I respect and look to the most. But whatever that piece of trash you just wrote is, it has truly ruined your opinion in my eyes. Let it be noted that it is NOT because you liked the film and I didn't, it is because you have officially abused your position, taking advantage of a target audience and dodging all credibility as a review, acting instead as little kid with a computer wishing Superman had been in this movie because he sure golly loves that superman. Your thoughts were incoherent, unorganized, and down right insulting as you preached a bullshit political angle to try and make me feel like you are the most smartest guy I ever did sees. You want me to trust you, to see your point...then fucking give me one. This movie sucked, and deep down you know it. That's why you weren't able to truly lay down what you loved, but instead go into tangents that were nothing more of confusing. What did you like Harry?! Lay it down, I'm ready. I don't care about a book the Fed Ex brought you, I don't care about how cool Superman and Lex Luther would look in this scene, and I sure as hell don't care IF you loved this movie Harry; I care WHY you loved this movie. If I were handing out letter grades, this movie would get D (the visuals being the one redeeming factor), but your review gets an F Harry. A Big Fat F!!

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 9:14 p.m. CST

    You cannot please everyone

    by Yotaruvegeta

    I have heard and read many reviews on this. I'm not going to give some reason why i think what I think about the movie, because people have their unique opinons. Maybe the matrix shouldn't have spawned sequels. People are rabid about these two movies, and the warchowskis do leave A LOT out (some of which no onew would know unless they saw animatrix or played the enter the matrix game) It's a tremendously huge trilogy, and with a series this huge, your bound to leave some people wanting- either negatively or positively.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 9:23 p.m. CST

    matrix revolutions kicks ass

    by armeni11

    don't believe any reviews you read, go see it for your self a make your own decision.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Saw the 'Troy' preview with this...

    by Leopardghost

    The preview for 'Troy' was pretty fucking cool. So was the 'Last Samurai' preview. Couldn't believe it. Oh, and as I predicted, 'Revolutions' SUCKED DONKEY BALLS. How long until RotK????

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Monkey's are fun

    by AlwaysThere

    Every site has the fanboys or haters, or gushers or whatever description we can find in the internet slang thesaurus. It's something that i've become accustomed to. My favorite movies might not have gotten 50% of the hype Reloaded and Revolutions got, but people still find ways to diss them becuase they arent a visual orgy.---- In your post you said: "You fanboy extremists actually make me hate film and being in anyway associatted with the medium." In response to that; there are people all over that internet that stand by the statement "Its only a movie, have fun with it and don

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Viva

    by BillEmic

    I think that Revolutions COULD have been perfect...if it had followed the standard AICN formula. See, it would have been called "The Matrix: !Viva La Revolution!" and the climax of the film would have been an epic fight in the rain between Hulk Hogan and Macho Man, wearing their original WWF costumes. That way, they would have stood out against the background. Imagine Hulk's red and yellow jumpsuit soaring above the city, creating huge hydro-blasts! "It's inevitable, brotha!"

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Matrix Revolutions

    by Joshcoh

    I am severly disappointed... I seriously do not know what to say. I almost feel as though they should make another movie just to make up for this one... What happened to all of the great characters that we were introduced to in the last one, or the cool powers, or the cool world of the matrix from the first one... What happened to the twins, Persiphone, the french guy, the architect... They totally disolved the close relationship between morpheus and neo... morpheus discovered neo for god's sake! all they do is hug and say goodbye? come on... They were so focused on ending the movie, and ending the series, they forgot they had so much story left to tell... I think they shoudl revist the first matrix film and maybe re-do this one...

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 9:55 p.m. CST

    now you did it...I'm crying now

    by The Midget_King

    Cannibal Nun it is really unfortunate that you dont like cops. However, I am not a fucking cop you stupid bastard. If I was, I would jam a broom stick in your ass. Well, maybe not, you might like that too much. Instead, I would let my K-9 bite at your nutsack while I towed your cars to a bad neighborhood far from where I am sure you live in a huge mansion in the hills. (I am guessing that is where you live because you cant stop bragging about going to your spa where some poor, pimple faced, community college going, sniveling, liberal, brain-dead, retail-working, urinal cake changing, toilet scrubby, fanboy, GUY gives you a

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 9:58 p.m. CST

    The last scene with Neo

    by AgentSandoz

    SPOILERS .... As a friend of mine was saying at the end of the movie, the last scene with Neo was kind of reminiscent of Excalibur with King Arthur being taken away with the Lady of the Lake at the end of the movie. Nice touch.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Silly Bashers...

    by SAVOIR_faire

    If you felt that Reloaded was full of dialogue that was 'over your head', then maybe you need to expand your vocabulary. The Brothers W don't owe you a damn thing. They told the story they wanted to tell...Which is more than any of you did, jerking off to your ability to criticize. You think you have a finger on the pulse? You think you got story-mojo? Well, step up to the plate and write one. Get a film made. The trilogy works just fine, folks. You don't judge a film by what YOU want, you juvenile blowhards, you judge it by what the filmmakers INTENDED to create. And in the Matrix, they've made a serious contribution to the sci-fi marketplace. Congrats to Andy and Larry. For the haters, keep hating if you must, but it really sounds like basement-dwelling adolescent babble.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Unfortunately...

    by lino

    Revolutions is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. And I __LOVED__ Reloaded. At least Persephone looked as voluptious as ever. -Lino-

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Why Don't They Make King Conan Already?

    by CatoTheCensor

    Know, O Prince, that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the rise of the Sons of Aryas, there was an Age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars. But the proudest kingdom of the world was Aquilonia, reigning supreme in the dreaming west. Hither came Conan the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the earth under his sandled feet

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Question for those who have seen movie.

    by Integra

    MASSIVE SPOILERS Why were there no available EMP's? The one effective weapon you have against the enemy you put on all your ships and send them away from your base? They had no remaining EMP's? Stupid. Why dont the machines just put a nuke on the back of the Drillers? Why dont the machines just strap a nuke onto a sentinel? Why did the sentinels fly around in circles and loop-de-loops so that the gunners could shoot at them. Why didnt the APU's have any protection for the pilot? like say a piece of sheet metal? Why didnt the sentinels go fly directly into the unprotected APU pilots? Why not automate the guns, a computer could track targets several orders of magnitude more effectively than a human who has to swing his arm around. How is Neo telepathic, precognicient, and telekinetic? Neo saw the power cables that led to the city all the way back in the train station. How? Why? Because the script needed him to? Why didnt anyone think of flying a hovercraft above the clouds before? Maybe with a nuke attached? Why did the machines STOP attacking Neo once he landed in the machine city? Did they think the threat was over suddenly? They couldnt track an incoming HOVERCRAFT that slams into one of their towers of their super protected brain city? So all the humans in the matrix, whom had all been taken over by SMITH, now get to have their brains unscrambled once Smith was defeated? They all are back to their normal Matrix status? So they werent conscious or in control while overtaken? If that was the case, why the NEED for the matrix in the first place. Why not just simply have brainless bodies as their energy source? Which, in an of itself is completely devoid of any understanding of physics and conservation of energy. Why are we back to punching and kicking again? The whole measure of power or awareness in the Matrix is represented by kung fu mastery? How did Neo get to the train station in the first place? The implication of the Oracles little bit about balance implies that the matrix created Uber Smith to offset Neo, and yet its scared of Smith?

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Before you take all these reviews to heart

    by Tenebrae13

    I'll start out with two disclaimers. First, I haven't seen Revolutions yet. Second, I liked Reloaded a good deal more than the first Matrix, even though I love both. So on to my point. I've read numerous reviews talking about how bad Revolutions is. That the dialog is corny, that the action scenes are more of the same, and that the story generally doesn't live up to the promise of the original. Here's my response. Ignore them. Most of the same things were said about the second movie, and I found them to be ridiculous upon watching it. I'll briefly address the main criticisms leveled at the third movie and the trilogy as a whole. Corny or 'lofty' dialog: Yes, there are alot of speeches and high ideals in the Matrix movies. No, that's not a bad thing, and there are two reasons for that. First, these movies are about the ultimate survival of the entire human race, as well as the spiritual and philosophical ramifications and implications of that struggle. Kind of calls for more that 'Dude, let's go kick some butt.' Second, the dialog and ideals of these movies is indicative of the bravery and daring that pervades these movies. In a time of self-aware, smirking movies that have no substance beyond their attempts to discredit ideals or archetypes, it takes some effort and originality to actually posit new ideas in an effective way. We've become so used to the jaded post-modern perspective, that we have a knee-jerk reaction to something that is earnestly *about* something in such an open manner. Whether you like the Matrix or not, and whether you feel it succeeds in this regard, I think it's hard to question it's attempt at something great. Action We've Seen Before: Yeah, we've seen it before. We've seen most everything before. That's the gift and curse of living in a media-saturated society that loves action movies. But I'll say this. I have never seen action sequences that are nearly as artful, complex, fascinating, and beautiful as in the Matrix movies. In short, they rock, and for me, everything else I've ever seen lags behind by quite a margin. Story Not Living Up: The first movie was awesome, and the idea was very original. But it was also very basic. Once you got past the initial shock, you basically can boil it down to Morpheus' battery speech. And everyone LOVED it, myself included. Reloaded came along, and so many people (especially critics) hated all of the philosophical themes, the Architect, and all that came with it. My theory on why most people hated it? There are alot of stupid people in the world. Not stupid if they didn't like the idea or thought it was poorly done. Nothing wrong with that. Stupid if they didn't grasp the idea and the point of the idea. And sadly, that was the case with alot of people. Because the second movie demanded that you actually think, because it challenged you, because it dealt with concepts that couldn't be broken down into Morpheus brandishing a battery, many people just disregarded large portions of the movie as either inscrutable or pretentious. In my opinion, it was neither. Instead, the scene with the Architect ranks as one of my all time favorite movie moments, because it showed the intelligence and emotion that can be conveyed in the hands of skilled filmmakers. And ultimately that is what you have throughout. The work of skilled people making one of the best series of movies ever created. Yes there are flaws, and yes it isn't going to be for everyone, but that's not the point. The point is that the risks were taken and the ambition was there. Alot of people, critics foremost among them, want to pigeonhole everything with their crass, pseudo-intellectualism. They want a happy meal with a slight twist that they can applaude as something new and better. They don't want an entirely new meal. The Matrix is an entirely new meal. Go to Revolutions and dig in, and if you don't like it, fine. But if you hate it, hate it for your own reasons, and not because you're told you should. Thanks for listening. Tenebrae

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 10:30 p.m. CST

    by hipsterism

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 10:42 p.m. CST

    There is a difference in knowing the path and walking the path

    by hipsterism

    You know the path because you've read the reviews, now walk the path and see the movie. Let me help and tell you what you need to hear...It was flat out awesome! This movie will be like the one before it and the one before that, reviewed poorly and then given a second look and... POW!!! All of a sudden it's a masterpiece, which my friends it is, I hope ROTK does as well with it's final chapter.

  • What Harry is doing in his review, is comparing the US & Capitalism to the Machines, which in the movies are evil, are the cause of all the human suffering, are human slave holders. He is comparing Neo, the only one who can save us from the Machines and their torment, to Osama Bin Laden. This wouldn't be hypocritical at all if Harry lived in another country lets say China. But for him to say this, and than to reap the benefits of Capitalism to its fullest, it

  • That's right 1 sucked but two was fantastic it had substance I left the theatre wanting more at first I only saw it because I had to no what happened next. for you see once something has started i have to finish it. if people didn't like New Hope and missed out on the 5 and 6 they would have been missing the grand picture. I did not want to miss the grand picture and happily I saw one of the best films of the summer which ranked third on my movie list for the summer right below X2 and 28 Days Later these movies made me realize that hollywood movies aren't all that bad just overhyped. But anyway revolutions will own I'm seeing it on friday which is pay day so i'll have the money and than I'm going to shit my pants. One question though since you all obviously know so much about the matrix universe what would have happened had Neo taken both the red and the blue pill. and ever notice that the red pill like the red apple in eden gives knowledge. just a thought. oh yeah as for those who didn't like the architect shut the hell up he made me want to jump up and down and laugh at all those god damn neo lovers since you know he's not the fucking ONE he's one of the ones makes you realize just how pathetic humanity is. Harry is right though according to the Animatrix also significantly better than both Matrix and Reloaded, humans did it to themselves machines wanted to live peacefully but no humans are too self centered to do that. no wander they put them all in pods if not they would have killed us all they did us a mercy. so get over it the Matrix Brothers have infinitely improved their Universe. that's right it's not your universe you have no say in what happens in it if they wanted morpheus and neo to fall in love in revolutions they could do it, and if they wanted smith to be a 400 foot man in a godzilla suit they could also do it. it's there's not yours so get over it right now and realize that it's their intellectual property and not yours. same goes for all you lucas fans it's his not yours and it fufills the new generation of SW fans ideas of a good movie. those movies were written for kids when he first made them and they are made for kids now. so grow over it lucas can't help that you all grew up over the past 20 years but he was sure hoping you'd take your kids to go see them. Also yeah matrix came out 7 years ago that was a fairly long time ago so get over it you grew up and so did the Matrix brothers there skills improved as both writers and directors. Mr. Sleep is out of here. By the way anybody know where John Murdock is. (for any of you who didn't know Dark City best sci-fi movie ever)

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Neo = Bin Laden?! Huh?!

    by superdavid

    Are you on crack?! What are you smoking?! It was plain as day, even more so than in the Matrix, that Neo is a CHRIST figure! JESUS H FUCKING CHRIST!!!!! Staked out on a muthafakin cross!!! Its all there plain as day! Agent Smith is of course The Devil. The machines are the dictatorial stalinist commies!!! Morpheus and the like are freedom fighters! Did we see the same movie?! If Matrix was A and Reloaded was F, this one was about a C. and the ending? Right out of the wizard of Oz or something. I mean cmon such a glorious cotton candy sunshine ending? Its like the Wacks were were just phoning it in. I did like the crack though about what do you think I am, Human?!

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Holy shit it didnt suck!

    by Jon E Cin

    Wow..the first 45 minutes of the film were kind of lame (again)..but god damn it really kicks your ass from then on. Neo vs Smith fight kicked ass. Soundtrack was a lot better. Zion was tolerable this time. Satisfied with how it ended. Overall a much better movie then reloaded. Wasnt this originaly called Revolations not Revolutions? When did this change?

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 11:51 p.m. CST

    mediocrity defined

    by WorstPoochieEver

    I just saw the movie, and I actually liked the second one better. Wasn't the coolest part of the first all the cool shit they could do in the Matrix? I just think something like the burly brawl is ultimately a lot more fun than the battle at the dock, where streams of squiddies fly into gunfire shot by clunky looking machines. Seriously, squids, try approaching from the rear... And the ending? 1) Neo gets Smithed. 2) Neo starts shining all yellow. 3) SMiths all explode. Call me shallow, but I wanted Neo to destroy Smith WITH KUNG FU!!! Am I the only one? The ending left me hollow, like in the Hulk when Nolte turns into a vortex or something and cries NO and dies...

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 11:57 p.m. CST

    revolutions was amazing

    by trkane

    the best action/adventure movie since the original. no doubt about it. this one is far better, narratively, than reloaded. the effects were nearly seamless (more so than reloaded, at the very least; revolutionary at best. pun not intended). premiering a movie in imax is the bomb, by the way. larry and andy, congrats.

  • Nov. 5, 2003, 11:59 p.m. CST

    I liked Matrix RELOADED better.

    by Bourne GreyElf

    I liked Matrix RELOADED better. I don't really see all thats wrong with it. its a sci fi kung fu movie, why is everyone always trying to get more than whats there? some of you are totally over analyzing these movies, which is a real shame, because before REVOLUTIONS came out, I read ALOT of good ideas about what would happen in REV from talkbackers, and all those ideas were wasted because REVOLUTIONS was no where near as cool as some of the talkbacker theories. I like matrix 1 and 2, but I thought 3 was completely anti climactic and far more pointless than reloaded. so neo makes a deal with the machines and humans stay in their pods, whoop di doo. sure, its a more realistic ending, but I don't watch movies for realistic, I wanted Neo to go Akira style on that giant stupid Baby Faced porcupine, totally rip the machines to shreds with psionic power, I wanted neo to become god, I wanted Baby Face to chase neo around the planet blasting death star lasers out of its mouth so neo could deflect them like dragon ball, I wanted something totally absurd and unrealistic. nope, instead I get a horrible cheesy sunshine with an oracle that looks like a bag lady, colonel sanders, an ugly little girl, and a kungfu stereo type. the rest of the movie was ok, but when you end a trilogy, you gotta go out with a bang. the ending to this movie totally killed my interest in this series. awesome, bring on the next movie, called The Matrix: "RE-make Revolutions cuz it sucked."

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Reloaded sucked but Revolutions was AMAZING

    by JoeMammaRawks

    Okay...maybe Revolutions wasn't amazing but it was really fucking good once you got past the first hour or so. The final fight between Neo and Agent Smith is the reason we watched the 2 sequels. At least this movie had a fucking plot unlike Reloaded. They should have just released Revolutions and added 15 minutes to the begining to cover the entire plot of Reloaded.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Matrix sucks..here is why.

    by JarJarIsVader

    ****SPOILERS**** ARRGGGHHHHH!!!! Pow Pow Pow Pow. WOW thats some acting. Scream and act like you are shooting at something. Wish I could have had that part. Anyway..boy oh boy did I hate this load. Let me sum up one thing that will prove why this movie blows big time. Neo and Trinity flying against the Supa Dupa Mega Defenses Of the Machines. The Defenses that Fat Baldy, now with a bit part in the movie, sez "No one in a 100 years have gooten with in 10 miles of the base." Neo's answer to defeat this mega defense? "Lets fly over the fucking thing." OH MY GOD!!! NEO no wonder you are JESUS! You are soooo smart. DAMN YOU!!! I want my 10 bucks back!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:12 a.m. CST

    3 out of 4 *spoilers!!!*

    by pax256

    relaode was 3.5 and matrix 1 a clear 4 out of 4. But saying rev was the weakest of the 3 is no insult. That the movie chooses to let me think instead of predigesting answers and feeding them to me straight from some guys mouth is so much better. Ive already had 3 solid brainfarts over what happend after only one viweing and I know ill see it at least another couple times which will feed me ideas and hopes for more movies even they are with diff casts. The traditional cylces of the matrix may be over but the story of the delicate relationship between man and machine isnt. Brilliant ending bnoth tragic and celebratory. Most action flicks are only celebratory. A few gems tragic. Has this beaten Blade Runner in my mind? Its so much richer than blade as its both of course longer when seeing the 3 films and has dealt with more themes and concepts. But I see it clearly as the equal of blade runner. Clearly its a serious attempt at making a thinking mans movie. Not that Im that bright as movies always do most of the thinking for us. But the kind of thinking that went on here probably wont be seen for another 20 years unless they make more matrix flicks. I am a bit afarid that maytrix 4 wont be as w ell thought out tho. I could be wrong as the animatrix clearly showed how much you can do in this world. What couldve been done in the world of SW... What might still be done there is GL wants to... EP3 is already so predictable being a middle flick of a series. But who knows we might be surprised... Expectations are so low Im sure ep 3 will be enjoyable... I already know Ill buy the matrix online game next year. I just hope they can infiltrate the philosophy into it as they've done in the movies. And I look forward to anymore movies should they choose to make or let be made more sequels. This world is so rich I dont see any reason to abandon it now after just 3 films. This could easily be the basis for a series that could span decades if not generations and beat even Bond or any old serial for longevity. Its more than simple guns or kung fu tho that alone has been shown to entertain for longer than Ive been around. I also see so much more philosophy that be integrated into more storylines and for us to investigate... All Ill say now is this was UBER COOL all the way and cheers to the people who've made them. I havent been this impressed since the early days of Lucas and Speilberg and Scott... Ive been waiting 20 odd years for this kind of flick and I hope this new golden age keeps on ticking for a while yet.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Harry, You are a total idiot

    by Jeditemple

    The whole "terrorism" comparison shows your stupidity and lack of respect for this great country. Fry, you fat bastard.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:18 a.m. CST

    "the only way to win is not to play"

    by grisscoat

    If you really believe that the only way to win is not to play then you must believe that all war is bad. If you believe that all war is bad then in effect you are a pascifist. If you are a pascifist then you are content to sit idle and allow evil to happen. Those who say that the only way to win is not to play are either (1) blissfully naive to human evil or (2) moral idiots. Somatso

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Poltics, Politics

    by BrokenButNotDead

    Thanks Harry for another tender review that focuses on the heart rather than the intellect. It's very clear that you love these movies, and enjoy the escape into a dazzling, world full of archetypes and metaphors, as they endlessly duke it out. Whether they are cowboys protecting the last bastion of civilization, or a costumed hero, unstoppable but for a single Achilles

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Can someone please explain...

    by beantownbooger

    ...to me how neo defeated agent smith? Everything else I believe I understand, but what the heck was that all about? I know there is probably some simple and blatantly obvious explanations, so can someone dumb it down and bit and answer this simple question for me Thank you and good day.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:47 a.m. CST

    If Neo's Eyes Were Cauterized.....

    by ParanoidPornstar

    .... you'd think his headed woulda' exploded....

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:52 a.m. CST

    now harry's just getting conceited

    by ReDWasK

    "That

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:53 a.m. CST

    just came back from the theatre...So spoilers ON!

    by Yossarian

    Reloaded was the set-up. This is the pay-off. It works. I'm not going to sit here all high-and-mighty on my angry chair and say those of you who didn't enjoy it don't "get it". I felt the movie ended the only way it could. There is no way the humans could beat the machines. This isn't Independence Day; no Deus ex machina computer virus to save the day. I applaud the filmakers for not taking the easy way out, with Neo becoming God-like and decimating the machine population. That would not be in the theme of the film(s). I realized in the theatre that this is not a Human vs. Alien film in the classic WE/US vs. OUTSIDERS/THEM theme. The robots are not alien, they are human. They are our children. That was the whole purpose behind the Mobil Ave. scene: to humanize the machines, to make us realize that this is a CIVIL WAR. North vs. South all over again. Brother aganst Brother and Can't-we-all-just-get-along? We picked this fight, and we ended up getting handed our collective hat. I repeat: the humans could not defeat the machines head-on. Neo did what he had to do. He made himself a peace offering. Did anyone note the almost-reverence in the machines' after the finale? I did. Or I imagined it. I forgive Reloaded because I see now that the Wachowskis had 2.5 movies on their hand. This story would not have worked as two films. There is too much set-up. However, it is not completely successful as 3 films because there is a lot of filler in the second act to pad out the set-up. I hated Reloaded for its fluffiness, but now I see why the filmakers made the choices they did. I thought the action sequences were great. I liked the Neo vs. Bane fight for its sloppy anti-matrix style brawl. I like the fact that the hero doesn't make a Rocky Balboa comeback. He makes a moral choice without thought for himself. Selflessness is more heroic than throwing a punch, in my book.*** Side note: this movie had something so many movies I've seen lately lack. The little touches. Yeah, those. The little moments of nothings that don't move the plot, advance the story or explain anything. They serve no narrative purpose and yet all the great films have them. Indiana Jones vs. sword-wielding guy. When the Millineum falcon does its slow graceful loop-the-loop into the cave in EST. When ET and Elliot fly in front of the moon. Those little moments make all the difference and Revolutions has them. I am not going to presume to tell you what those were. Different people see different movies on the same screen. Yoss out. Hope you enjoyed the flick.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Neo = Bin Laden? Are you freaking kidding me, Harry?

    by Blastme

    Harry I know you have to get in the obligatory slam on America and capitalism in order to convince the acne/trenchcoat goobers and the acting/film/journalism/ coffeehouse wannabes that you're cool, but this is a bit of a stretch even for you. Uh, yeah your analogy makes perfect sense: the working people who hold a job, pay mortgages, pick up their kids from school, and go to church are part of the "machine" but the knuckleheads that get their cues on how to dress and act from M-TV and Gap commericials the unmarried 30+ years olds that surf porn 24/7 and still hang around the club/rave scene oblivious to how ridiculous they look are the liberated free-thinkers. Uh, yeah. Tell you what harry, if you think Osama has such admirable qualities then go live in a freaking cave with him, but that won't happen because you can't last anywhere that doesn't have a KFC around the corner. The capitalist life isn't so bad after all, is it?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:56 a.m. CST

    In response to beantown...SPOILER!

    by Yossarian

    Neo was in the hands of the Machines, they had the power to kill him. Neo allowed himself to be absorbed, essentially becoming Smith. Neo let himself became the "back door" for the machines to erase Smith.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:58 a.m. CST

    jstephengarret the cannibal nun

    by blue7

    I have to admire the imagination that turns a '74 Pinto Hatchback into not only one vehicle, but two - a Faguar and a Hummer. I assume you're the same little ponce who rhapsodized about sneaking in a bottle of Jim Beam to enjoy the festival of gaiety that was House of the Dead. Wow, Jim Beam? Hope that didn't put too big of a dent in your disability check, you pissant. You shore are classy-like, mister cannibal nun. Next thing you'll be saying you drink only fine wine like Riunite. Moron.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 1:04 a.m. CST

    "There is no bar..."

    by FimbulWinter

    ...that serves the kind of liquor that leads to the deconstruction that Harry spelled out on The Matrix Revolutions. I'm all for people getting their own vibe or perspective from a movie but I'm just not seeing Bin Laden or geo-political politics anywhere near these movies (though they are more persistently prevalent in the current LOTR films). Personally I liked the drill penetrating the womb of Zion and flooding it with squiddies. What does Capitalism or Liberalism have to do with that I wonder? I would think a scene like that would have FOX NEWS and the GOP faithful and family-values crowd calling for a full boycott if only they could wrap their puny cerebrum around such a startling image. Personally I think all of these snipes and mean-spirited reviews are just hilarious. Most news-organization-based critics typically can't wrap their minds around the most pedestrian genre concepts or films so why would anyone give a flying fig what they think about this movie? And the rest of the people bitching on these forums could likely write a 1000 word essay defending the greatness of of one of the Highlander sequels so take their opinions with at least a grain of salt, ok? I do have mixed feelings about this movie but I'm still thinking about it and that's worth a few bucks to me. It wasn't what I expected entirely but that's hardly a reason for an ouright dismissal of the movie or its intentions. I can identify with people's frustrations because it is not as easily digestible an entertainment as the first film was while still retaining some thought-provoking elements but I also don't necessarily believe that the people responsible for that movie just shoveled a load of crap out the door without regard for the people that wanted to see more of the story that the first film set up. I don't know - I just get tired of the endless bitching from the same people that have been calling The Matrix "Star Wars for cool people" for the past 4 years. Guess they have to find some other reason to bag on GL now. LOL.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Reloaded & Revolutions could have been a single 3 hour movie

    by AlwaysThere

    A rundown of things that werent needed at all: Cut out the Merovigian and Persephone. The encounter with those two yielded: orgasm cake, 1 good fight scene (Chateau), a boring car chase (14+ minutes), twins that did nothing, club hell which was basically another scene to put 3 character together in the lobby shootout v2.0 (upside down this time). We could also cut out the burly brawl (waste of 5 precious minutes), seeing trinity jumping to her death for no apparent reason (3 or so times in Reloaded). The trainmain, Sati, The annoying kid (even though the Animatrix short was good), Rama-Kundra and his wife, the love triangle with Niobe and Locke should have never been filmed. Hell, Seraph (even though he looks cool) could have been deleted from the film. The "lets get to know each other fight" was basically a trainig program similation that could have been in the first film. The visits to Oracle could have been edited into 1 decent meeting. Im sure that theres more...

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Two words

    by hobsnobber

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Two words

    by hobsnobber

    Matrix Revolutions is the worst piece of shit to be passed off as cinema that has been released this year. I laughed, I yawned, I even muttered a "You've got to be kidding me" once or twice. At least we've got ROTK in a month.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 1:51 a.m. CST

    I say quit watching the tomatometer...

    by Yossarian

    and watch the movie. Or don't. Get off the fence and make up your own damn minds rather than have, of all things, a meter do it for you. If you don't see the irony in that, I'm not going to explain it to you.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:05 a.m. CST

    IT SUCKS!! IT SUCKS!! IT SUCKS!!

    by Russman

    A waste of time and a waste of money. So dissapointing. As pretty as it was it didn't deliver. The brothers blew it. All they had to do was define the world and deliever a good ending. Maybe I didn't "get it", maybe the problem is me, but until someone can deliver an explaniation I dub this movie as shit.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:17 a.m. CST

    "You Were Right All Along, Fanboys...It IS Inevitable..." OR...

    by jollydwarf

    Look, I've been curbing my posting habit in recent times, and that's just me trying to let go. See, in the time leading up to this film and now, after I've seen it, I realize that our lives can so easily be defined by expectations. For the movie fanboy crowd, this all, strangely enough, started when "The Matrix" was released in March of '99. The movie was initially assumed to be a crappy appetizer for a niche crowd before the other "Chosen One's" trilogy took flight. But our EXPECTATIONS were low for Keanu, but impossibly HIGH for Lucas. Well, Lucas burnt a lot of people. And "The Matrix" came in and gathered up the disenchanted, frustrated, and quality-starved. So now we had EXPECTATIONS for this series. But what happened at that point, and I'm actually pretty confident as to WHY, is that we didn't learn to "roll" with it. We had reached the absolute unprecedented pinnacle of hype--just as the instant accessibility of the Internet took off--and we used disappointment as a template for our perception of anything else that would come along. We, as Harry said, would pre-emptively strike out, or DECIDE that whatever was offered couldn't be good enough, because we all got ripped and could actually echo these sentiments with each other worldwide, thereby strengthening our disenchanted position. It's always been inside you, but without such an expansive forum to validate, you had to keep it in. Muted. And now, in just four short years, there are a legion of would-be scenester critics, omnihaters, blind allegiances made towards specific franchises...and that's just in the movie realm. Let's not even think about other forms of communication or entertainment. Sure, I'm being pretty FUCKIN' PREACHY here, but I for one can't take anymore of the "Jaded" virus that is running rampant throughout culture. It's almost like intelligence and knowledge eating its own tail. I know how much it sucks seeing the vacant, corporate-assimilated zombies and how much focus-group driven "pandering" is going on. But call me a borderline Spielbergian optimist. I want to believe that the next movie I see can be infinitely better than its predecessor. I want to hope that other people can "let it go" for a change. But that's your choice. And if you want to continue to don the black T-Shirt and slip into unconditional hate borne of previous disappointment, then go ahead. And fuck off while you're at it. Flame me. I'm just words here. Oh, and the movie? For the most part, it rocked. Need to see it again, though.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:32 a.m. CST

    re: TOY BOAT

    by Yossarian

    You, dear sir, are one of the few persons I WASN'T referring to. You have stated quite clearly in terms other than "IT SUCKED/IT RULED", followed by variable amounts of exclamation marks, how you feel about the movie and why. Thank you for NOT being a "fucktard". Besides, my feelings on the film may be colored. I just spent my afternoon in a windowless,flourescent-lit, gross anatomy lab dissecting some guy's right testicle. After that, anything might've made me happy.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Harry, you never graduated H.S.

    by blowmonkey

    That review was one of the most uninformed, jack'ass handled parody of intelligence I have ever read. No wonder you were hoping for werewolves and such shit. You don't have a clue. Your movie, I will bet, if you would be willing to honor this, $1,000 that it will tank and you will be done. You have too little knowledge of the world, that limits your perspective, and your judgement. Revolutions, in fact, sucked.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:47 a.m. CST

    oh, yeah, just so the record is straight...

    by Yossarian

    I dug this flick. But that part where the kid recites this stinker: "Neo, I BELIEVE!", uh-uh. No way am I defending that crap. I hunkered down a little lower in my chair and thought to myself: "Thanks for pulling me out of the story, dipshit." On a(nother) side note, I dug Jada Pinkett-Smith's character this time around. And I frikkin' hate Jada pinkett-smith characters as a rule. Oh, and the bitchy old white captain is what comic relief is all about.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:48 a.m. CST

    If you are looking for Matrix to teach you something

    by blowmonkey

    It is simple: Don't be a tool. If you are under 13 I can understand your fascination with the effects, and yeah, if you are almost sixteen I can see this philosophical thing being kind of new to you. But Jesus H. Christ if you are even somewhat enlightened this movie lays out a bigger and more smelly turd than the previous one did. Fuck, fuck. That's about as far as I can get. There are so may holes in this fucking story that I just want to forget that they ever made any sequals. The first one was great. The last one was pure, and total afterthought. The originality in the two latter was entirely contrived and sculpted. Bull shit. Anybody who has ever read any type of literature with a hero/villian type complex should understand the gigantic shortcomings of this piece of shit. Leave it at one, ironically, neo, you lost me at hello.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:49 a.m. CST

    The jerkstore called...

    by brimstone

    Hey Harry, the jerkstore from jerkville called, and they're missing their jerk. I think you should go back. How about I write my response like the way you write your reviews? kekeke la ^_^;; --- I KNOW, like totally... its like American being the BADGUYS, and allowing people... SUPERMAN EVEN, to post shit on the net, THE INFORMATION HIGHWAY. I loved it, because I a fucktard like HARRY who links SHIT to MORE SHIT, ending in the shittest shit that ever shitted. What a waste of fucking time, space, and bandwidth, goatse is better than this shitty website. Nice background, where'd you get it from? The Jerkstore. This is the poorest attempt for what you call a website, the colour scheme doesn't even match up, what's the fucking deal, and shoving advertisments random around the page doesn't help navigation either. What's the point of having a deer that kick's off a snow man's head? WHAT'S THE FUCKING GODDAMN POINT. WHY NOT JUST HAVE MORE RANDOM GIFS, LIKE OF ME KICKING YOUR ASS TO HELL, THEN CUTTING YOUR SCROTE, AND MAKING IT INTO MY CAPE FOR WHICH I CAN BE LIKE "SUPERMAN". Go eatadick.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Neo is a Queen...

    by Yossarian

    He is less of an archetypical hero and more of a chesspiece, manipulated by much more powerful characters and at the end, he knows it. The heroic thing he does is makes the choice to accept it, to allow himself to be used. He's more like Spock at the end of Wrath of Khan than Superman. Aww, who am I kidding, this is drivel, I'm just making it up as I go along. Yoss out.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:59 a.m. CST

    It's like Oprah says...

    by Yossarian

    ehts all aboat cummunicashun.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:34 a.m. CST

    silliness

    by Maestro_Sartori

    Silliness, that is, on the part of all the peashooters who bagged on this film... It was simply fantastic and the possible plots will be keeping me busy for days, just like they should. Kudos, Wachowskis, that was beautiful.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:35 a.m. CST

    So did you guys like The Big Giant Head?

    by Silver Shamrock

    Well, didja?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:36 a.m. CST

    The 2 best quotes tonight...

    by the_patriot

    the two best quotes I heard in this movie tonight? 1) During Trinity's WAY overextended death, we had a guy scream "Would you just FU****NG DIE!!!" followed by the applause of the entire auditorium. 2) On the way out, a man on his cell phone: "We're still in the auditorium- we waited after the credits praying to God there was something else that would make this movie worth the 2 hours of our life." Amen, brother. I had my expectations lowered long before seeing this, but apparently- not low enough. It didn't answer questions? Fine. It didn't tie up every bit and end of the story? Fine. What pisses me off is when I'm talking to people in the row behind me afterwards and we're all coming up with ways to end this story that are 10,000 times more interesting and less B.S. filled than that 2 hour POS i spent 10 bucks on. I was willing to give it a chance after Reloaded, hoping that the Wachowskis would redeem themselves with this. As it stands, they should have just let it end with the first movie. Hell, the Animatrix shorts show more care in the writing and storyline of the Matrix universe than this thing. I know this rant won't dissuade anyone, but you can't say you weren't warned. And Harry- your communism and capitalism rant? NOT EVERYTHING HAS A DEEPER MEANING. Sometimes a spoon is just a fucking spoon.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:40 a.m. CST

    I like the way it doesn't fix everything...

    by Yossarian

    It's a big risk not tying everything up in a pretty bow and handing it to the audience. The machines are still there, but in the tone, the morality, of the movie, we can't kill them off. The movie makes it clear that the machines can think and feel just as humans can. They are not mindless. The war is a civil war. If the movie were to end with the humans wiping out the machines, it would be morally wrong within the constructs of the universe the Wachowskis have created. I like the fact that it isn't all in the hands of Neo and Co. They bought the human race a second chance. Now it is up to the cave-ravers to NOT SCREW IT UP. Based on what I've seen so far, they'll be dead in a week. Still I give props to the W's for not taking the easy way out: Neo goes apeshit and makes them all PAY. PAY for what they've done. cave-ravers rejoice. Roll credits. Boring. Done before. A thousand times over. They have spent all this time setting up a Judeo-Christian amalgamation only to have the Christ figure annihilate everything? C'mon, we all know the turn-the-other-cheek, live-and-let-live, love thy neighbor platitudes of the new testament. We should have known, nay, EXPECTED it to end this way. There are a lot of finer points that don't go answered but it would have been an exercise in tedium to cover the fate of every character, explain every oracle-ism. I, for one, am happy with the story overall.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:41 a.m. CST

    http://www.themeatrix.com

    by the_patriot

    Fucking hilarious. Cleansed my palate after watching Revolutions...LOL!!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Well, objectivity aside

    by WhiteNoi$e

    Harry can make poor innterpretations just like gun nuts and mormons, so can you. The movie was great. The movie was poor. ***SPOLIERS****The answer is choice.****ooh faced!!****

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:43 a.m. CST

    re: Question for those who have seen movie.

    by grendel824

    I'll take a shot at these ***Comment: MASSIVE SPOILERS Why were there no available EMP's?*** They were all used in the counterattack that failed. ***The one effective weapon you have against the enemy you put on all your ships and send them away from your base? They had no remaining EMP's? Stupid.*** Err... no, not when setting off an EMP in Zion will also wipe out all of your other defenses. An EMP going off at the wrong time OUTSIDE of Zion was catastrophic enough - do you think they WANT to fight sentinels with clubs?*** Why dont the machines just put a nuke on the back of the Drillers? Why dont the machines just strap a nuke onto a sentinel? Why did the sentinels fly around in circles and loop-de-loops so that the gunners could shoot at them.*** Because they just want to kill the humans, not nuke the entire site - they want to repopulate it, remember?*** Why didnt the APU's have any protection for the pilot? like say a piece of sheet metal? *** Maybe so that the pilots can actually see?*** Why didnt the sentinels go fly directly into the unprotected APU pilots? *** They did. Often. See the movie to see this occur.*** Why not automate the guns, a computer could track targets several orders of magnitude more effectively than a human who has to swing his arm around.*** Yes, because they could all see how building intelligent machines was so great the first time.*** How is Neo telepathic, precognicient, and telekinetic?*** He is not telepathic - no telepathy is shown or implied in the movie. He has those other abilities in the Matrix for the same reason that he can fly and do all kinds of other neat things. He can't do any of that outside, save for precognitive dreams and some gut feeling about his "destiny."*** Neo saw the power cables that led to the city all the way back in the train station. How? Why? Because the script needed him to?*** See answer re: precognition above. I assume all things that occur in movies are because the script needs them to happen, though. That's kind of the point of having a script.*** Why didnt anyone think of flying a hovercraft above the clouds before? Maybe with a nuke attached? *** Why bother? What good would that do them? Risk their lives on a journey NO ONE has ever made and lived before just to see the sun? They're not lemmings. And, even if they would come in useful, which they wouldn't, where would they get these "nukes" from? The ruins of Iraq?*** Why did the machines STOP attacking Neo once he landed in the machine city? Did they think the threat was over suddenly? They couldnt track an incoming HOVERCRAFT that slams into one of their towers of their super protected brain city? *** Because he got close enough to ask them not to, and they let him by to see what he had to offer. This is explained quite obviously, as he pretty much explains it as he does it. Apparently this explanation was more necessary than I thought. And if a jet crashed in the street in your home town, would everyone on your block immediately attack them?*** So all the humans in the matrix, whom had all been taken over by SMITH, now get to have their brains unscrambled once Smith was defeated? They all are back to their normal Matrix status? So they werent conscious or in control while overtaken? If that was the case, why the NEED for the matrix in the first place. Why not just simply have brainless bodies as their energy source? *** Yes. But the Matrix was already explained to NEED conscious humans as batteries - brainless invalids wouldn't make good batteries for whatever made-up sci-fi reason. ***Which, in an of itself is completely devoid of any understanding of physics and conservation of energy. *** Yes. That's the "fi" part in "sci-fi." Most things that happen in sci-fi/fantasy movies can't actually happen in real life.*** Why are we back to punching and kicking again? The whole measure of power or awareness in the Matrix is represented by kung fu mastery?*** Yes. It was always about the punching and kicking - or have you seen the last two movies? Neo and Smith have gotten way more powerful than the tools they could otherwise be using. That's why Superman doesn't carry around a shotgun and a baseball bat, for instance.*** How did Neo get to the train station in the first place? *** I believe that's a halfway point between the Matrix construct and the machine world in general - I'm not entirely sure if his presence their was simply a consequence of his not leaving the machine world entirely when he jacked out, or if he was "found" and placed there. I'm pretty sure it was the former. He basically fell through the cracks and that's where the station was built in the first place - the "cracks" in the system that allow transfer between the mainframe and the rest of the machine world and the Matrix. *** The implication of the Oracles little bit about balance implies that the matrix created Uber Smith to offset Neo, and yet its scared of Smith?*** I don't think it's implied that "Uber Smith's" creation was deliberate - it was simply an unforseen consequence - I think they mention that is a function of the equation trying to balance itself - a system trying to naturally find equilibrium. We create diseases, often when we're trying to create something else, all the time that we then become scared of, as an analogy.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:49 a.m. CST

    though painfully condescending...

    by WhiteNoi$e

    that was a solid post.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:52 a.m. CST

    seriously, did I see a different film than everyone else?

    by Yossarian

    I am baffled. Reloaded was definately the temple of doom of the series, but this was a trick flick. I liked the shift from the Matrix to the "real" world. You can only do the matrix so many times before it becomes self-parody. Reloaded was a glamour show. This movie was less glam and more down and dirty. And I like it that way. To each his own, but the overwhelming negativity is just unfounded. It's ok, you can like the movie. Or not. Your choice an' all. I unexpectantly dug it. I still say the cave-ravers will fuck up the reprieve they've been given.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:55 a.m. CST

    I saw the same film

    by WhiteNoi$e

    I liked it alot and can't wait for the dvd and the new mcfarlene figures. But haven't you heard? It isn't cool to enjoy movies anymore.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:58 a.m. CST

    It takes so...

    by WhiteNoi$e

    It takes so long for Trinity to die so we get the St. sebastian parallel...well no...but that is there.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Yeah, my wrangler has a better cage than those loaders.

    by Yossarian

    I'd customize my loader with some nerf bars, an 8-ball shift knob, and chrome, lotsa chrome. But definately some nerf bars and maybe some plexiglass, since the squiddies seem to be into death by superficial lacerations.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Trinity as Mufasa

    by Yossarian

    Hey! I'm really badly hurt, but I'm still alive, can someone call an ambulance. BLAM! Ow, that hurt!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:04 a.m. CST

    "I like how the questions go unanswered"

    by Rupee88

    I like how Revolutions doesn't answer the questions posed by the other movies. Look at it this way...life makes no sense, so movies should make no sense either...get it? Revolutions is just like real life...how brilliant! In real life, there are no talented writers to plan things out. It is the same way in Revolutions...nothing was planned out very well and lots of things don't make sense. This is brilliant! Do you guys expect every movie to be like Star Wars or Pulp Fiction or Citizen Kane and actually make sense??? Screw you guys...you are just a bunch of Matrix bashers. Revolutions may be a piece of shit, but some people are into defecation and shit eating....I've seen it in videos on the Internet. So don't be so quick to criticize this film. It is brilliant in its own way.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Want more bad metaphors that aren't too far off?

    by WhiteNoi$e

    Drill = phallace Squiddies = sperm Zion = Egg Mifune = dead sexy

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:12 a.m. CST

    more re: questions

    by grendel824

    I dunno, the 'because the script requires it' argument isn't that great... *** I was just pointing out the fact that all of the action of a movie is SUPPOSED to be in service of the script. Neo's powers were being accused of being "deus ex machina" abilites, and I pointed out that they weren't - they were in service to the story. ***and the whole, 'they're not armored so the pilots can see' is flawed... there are plenty of ways to allow someone to see what's going on outside without exposing them to the elements directly.*** Like what? I'd say calling that argument flawed without being able to offer an example as to why less than flawed - it's a non-argument. I also just assumed that the reason they're not fully armored is the same reason why they don't have an army of hi-tech stealth fighters and magical power-rings - they have what they can scavenge. Maybe Zion #3 had all the snazzy targeting systems and cupholders and stuff that you think they should have and by the time it got to Zion#6, they didn't have glamorous power-armor anymore. *** I would ask *SPOILERS*, "why does it take so fucking long for Trinity to die?" But that's just me. *** Because the script requires it : ) That was kinda annoying to me, too, but I'm used to main characters taking forever and giving big speeches before they kick off. Then again, people in real life have even been known to hang on beyond reason until they've said what they wanted to say to somebody, and then pass away. It DOES happen way too often in movies for my tastes, too.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:28 a.m. CST

    re: Oi... howsabout this?...

    by grendel824

    ***Comment: Maybe they could put a fuckload of armor around the cockpit and set up a monitor inside that cockpit... is that better? Cos that's what I was getting at...*** Why not have power armor for every person in Zion? Maybe they could've put jetpacks on them too. And don't forget cupholders and racing stripes! From the looks of things, those sentinels would've taken no time at all to rip any scrap they could've scavenged and welded onto those things right off, anyway From the looks of things, people in Zion make do with what they can find. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure some of those pilots would've been wishing the same thing - but I'd assume they just didn't have the resources and inclination. These people wear tatters and eat snot, for heaven's sake. They're not billionaire playboys with an unlimited power-armor budget.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Revolutions (some Spoilers)

    by SD Canis

    I thought Reloaded was crap (upgraded to pretty bad after a second viewing on DVD) but Revolutions was great. The cheesy moments were horrendously cheesy but you can forgive them that much more easily with the spectacle that they occur during. I'm glad Jet Li overpriced himself and missed out on the "Seraph" role as Sing Ngai aka Collin Chou ruled in this part. The fight in the docks was truly astounding though I wonder why the Sentinels spent so much time flying around in "Shoals" rather than just charging straight at the suits. What amazes me most is that these films were filmed back to back yet have such a different feel how come Reloaded seemed so "Wrong" and Revolutions seems so god damn "RIGHT"

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:39 a.m. CST

    resources?

    by grendel824

    Actually, it seems pretty obvious that they DON'T have the resources. They're quite plainly scavengers (and to top it all off, they're scavenging the leftovers of 5 other Zions, who each in turn scavenged from the last). The "higher-ups" with the nice(r) clothes get special treatment because they're, well, higher-ups. There's no evidence that they can mass produce swanky clothes. The politicians and special guard just get the nicest stuff sewn and re-sewn better than the rest. Otherwise, using that logic, I've seen homeless people in nice clothes before - so why do other homeless people wear rags?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:44 a.m. CST

    armor again...

    by grendel824

    Man, alls I saw was people dying of laceration and stabby-stabby... armor would have helped that (like Yoss pointed out)...*** Yes, I get that, but jetpacks, magical power rings, jet-fighters and cupholders would've helped, too. They just didn't have them, evidently. I mean, everybody storming the beach in Saving Private Ryan could've used some armor, too. You'd be correct in pointing that out as well, but it would go way to far to say that it didn't make sense that they didn't all have Captain America shields to deflect the Nazi bullets.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:45 a.m. CST

    The PERFECT conclusion

    by teezeCrost

    Ahhh- sweet Matrix goodness! I really can't fathom the idea that people are walking away from this in disappointment.. What more are you people expecting? Lemme guess - answers, right? Don't be afraid to use your brains, people; some things are worth pondering. People also have to get over this expectation that the sequels should outshine the original. Face it people, YOU LEARNED WHAT THE MATRIX IS IN THE 1ST MOVIE! THAT PART IS OVER NOW. To those who are anticipating that LOTR: Return of the King is going to be tonnes better... It's not. I've read the lotr books many a time and as much as I like the story, what is the 3rd film going to have going for it? Good, Evil, War, Peace, Love.. All the same fundamentals except no thinking or insight required. I'll pay to see Return of the King and love it, but not as much as I've loved this Matrix trilogy! Also, untouchable effects!!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Grendel your knowledge impresses me

    by Jon E Cin

    How many times did you see this movie? You really cleared up my mindfuck. Now please tell me some answers to Mulholland Drive and Donnie Darko.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Yeah, cotton may be the "fabric of our lives"

    by Yossarian

    but how long has it been since it grew on that fucked-up planet? And you know the cave-raver's slop is really soylent green. C'mon, What else is alive on the planet? The environmentalists have been reduced to hugging stalactites.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:48 a.m. CST

    starwarrior...

    by WhiteNoi$e

    your a nazi. baaaaaaahhhhhhhh.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:54 a.m. CST

    armor redux

    by grendel824

    But you are! You're asking for characters in the movie to adopt what makes sense to you in retrospect. You're assuming they have all this extra armor lying around. You ask why no extra armor? That's the same as me asking "why no jetpacks?" and "why didn't troops storming Normandy wear body armor and carry bulletproof shields? They just didn't. I'm sure many wish they did, but it just didn't happen. And I actually only saw it once, and I am still a little confused about certain things. *SPOILER* I left wondering exactly how Smith was defeated, for instance, and why exactly it required Neo being copied over (I get some of the gist, but I'm iffy on details) and was given a really good and elegant explanation that totally made sense, but I can't exactly remember it at the moment, and it's starting to bug me. I love Donnie Darko, and while a lot of it is tough to explain and seems way more open to interpretation than the Matrix movies, I can give it a shot. As far as Mulholland Drive goes, right after I watched the movie, I laughed my ass off at a five star review because I though the movie made hardly any sense, but the review actually clarified a hell of a lot, and actually made it enjoyable in retrospect. I wished I had read it before watching it, because there was no way to get a lot of things without that special knowledge...

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:56 a.m. CST

    I love how people

    by Yossarian

    on this site will go into a full-on tourette's back-to-bataan death march diatribe, ranting and raving and getting all balls to walls and then they finish their post with..."Just a thought".That cracks me up for some reason, like when your mom is bitching you out when you're a kid, and the phone rings, and she answers it like she's made of sunshine and light. I don't know if your moms did that, but mine did. I don't know why I make that connection either, but I do.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:59 a.m. CST

    re: Seraph a previous The One?

    by grendel824

    ***Comment: Agent Smith tells Seraph that they've met before or whatever, I took this to mean Seraph was a previous One, but they never dweled into that. *** Nah, he's just an exile that most likely was hunted often by Agents. I wondered a similar thing about the Merovingian, but it doesn't seem like that'd be right either. It would be cool to have a previous One still walking around somehow, though.*** I always assumed the Six previous matrixes would have some significance, why the number 6 and not 2 or 300, just seems like we would have found out the other 5 The Ones were somehow still in the universe, ah well.*** Which is why I doubt that there ARE any previous Ones walking around. I think they stick around at the beginning of each subsequent Matrix (in the first movie, they talk about "when the Matrix was first created, (a One) was born inside) which I take to be their interpretation of the 5th one who got to choose the 23 (for chromosomes, in case you didn't notice) people to populate Zion v.5, who for whatever reason lived out his life, however long or short, without giving away the secret. 6 is most likely a pretty loaded number, but I'm not up on my numerology. Any help out there re: the signigicance of it being number 6?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Grendel

    by Yossarian

    I am not going to pretend to know the exact reason for Smith's demise, but the Machines are jacked into Neo, neo gets transcripted into smith's army, the machines now have a "back door" kinda into Smith. Machines take out Smith. That's the key. It's not Neo's doing or he should have succumbed during burly brawl. The machines had to do it. My question is, why does he die if everyone else transcripted in the matrix reverts to normal?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:07 a.m. CST

    re: Grendel

    by grendel824

    That's my basic understanding, and pretty well put, too. I just wonder why it has to be Neo - isn't the Oracle more "jacked in" to the Matrix than Neo? I would've thought the mainframe could've gotten to Smith through anyone who he copied that's plugged in, in that case. I think it's implied that the One, whether he's implicitly Neo or not, is somewhere else - possibly in the mainframe or somewhere. He's possibly trancended his need for a body, for instance - of course, the same could be said of death in general, if you want to get philosophical.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:08 a.m. CST

    my left foot

    by WhiteNoi$e

    He dies because of the mass ammounts of current sent through his body. He is just a tool of the machine god, he must make a sacrifice...he is the long arm of baby face as jebus was the long arm of god. Of course that's obvious and I alreay regret typing it. I stick with, neo's body is just overwhelmed, and remember he has code to reload the matrix, I take it the 5 previous one's dies during reboot as well.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Ya know...

    by Yossarian

    The Merovingian made a comment about the prodigal son returning in reference to Seraph. Why the emphasis? Oh, and the oracle is Smith's mom? Whoa. So that means...Smith is part black? (pause for toke)Kinda like Anthony Hopkins?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:12 a.m. CST

    armor dux and redux

    by grendel824

    ***Like what questions... Comment: I think I got the movie pretty well (not too many loose ends in my opinion)... but apparently I'm a revisionist history asshole if I think the mechs should have armor... what will mother think?*** LOL... I assume you're overreacting to be funny, in which case, mission accomplished. I just don't think it's a very valid question, as it were. Of course having more armor would be a good idea, but it's pretty lame to say that the movie is flawed because these people didn't armor their mechs enough to satisfy your protective standards. Now, if they weren't scavengers living in squalor, had lots of resources, and lots of experience fighting off sentinels in their streets, your criticism would be a lot more valid. As it stands, it seems perfectly reasonable that they wouldn't have the resources or overwhelming inclination to have even more protection.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:17 a.m. CST

    re: PS: Ones and Ya know...

    by grendel824

    ***omment: Aren't the Mero-whats-his-face and Seraph programs? I think that would take them out of the running for One status...*** Yes, I think so too. Although the One is a program, as well, it just seems to need a human component to it. It struck me as possible that a previous one whose physical body died could still be running around the Matrix as an Exile. Unlikely, but interesting nonetheless.*** ***Comment: The Merovingian made a comment about the prodigal son returning in reference to Seraph. Why the emphasis?*** Seraph is an "angel" of course, and apparently used to hang with the Merovingian's gang in "hell" - they even call him "old wingless" or something to that effect, implying his "fallen angel" status. I think it was only the Seraphim who took part in the Fall, biblically speaking, and Cherubim stayed out of it. Hence, Seraph is a fallen angel seeking redemption, or at least a higher purpose than serving the Merovingian.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:17 a.m. CST

    My bupkis theory.. on armored loaders

    by Yossarian

    The battle takes place at a dock. The robots are loaders probably most of the time, where visibility is more important. They weren't soldiered up until the machines were discovered to be drilling. Remember, the machine army didn't really know where Zion was before. Otherwise, why have separate guns. Just make the arms guns in the first place. This is a case of materials-at-hand.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:20 a.m. CST

    re: fux

    by grendel824

    Okay, one more question and then can we stop talking about armor?... where did they 'scavenge' those huge mechs? PS: Yes I was overreacting for effect.*** I assume those huge mechs, not to mention their ships, are leftovers from the wars against the machines (they use powered armor in the Animatrix shorts), originally, or at least kit-bashed power loaders a-la Aliens. I assume just about every weapon they have is scavenged or kit-bashed, as there's got to be lots of that stuff lying around, and it doesn't seem like only 250,000 people can build arsenals out of raw materials in only 100 years. And I should've realized that overreation is necessary on message boards. So, um... go to hell you nazi sympathizer or something.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:24 a.m. CST

    nazis

    by grendel824

    er... I meant to call myself a nazi sympathizer. That's it...

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:29 a.m. CST

    nah

    by grendel824

    No offense taken (or meant) in the least. Messing with people is cool. It's the Internet, what do you expect? Where else can we argue minutae as though they were important and not have things thrown at us?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:33 a.m. CST

    I think we should devote the NEXT forty talkbacks to ...

    by Yossarian

    why neo walked out of the left-hand frame and came right back in the right-hand frame. Discuss.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:34 a.m. CST

    hey man...

    by WhiteNoi$e

    I was talking about starwarrior, not you folks.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:36 a.m. CST

    frame

    by grendel824

    why neo walked out of the left-hand frame and came right back in the right-hand frame. Discuss.*** Because the script called for it?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:36 a.m. CST

    we know about starwarrior

    by Yossarian

    no worries.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:41 a.m. CST

    You know that scene where they fly above the clouds....

    by Yossarian

    Huh. That was cool. And how the machines couldn't go through the clouds. That was even cooler.***** Now one thing the movie did fail to wrap up is...what're they gonna do about the sky? For a species that has just been sent back to a quasi-agricultural state, they're getting off to the wrong foot without some rightous rays, dude.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Toyboat,

    by Yossarian

    true. true.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:45 a.m. CST

    sky

    by grendel824

    I think that's why most people will be staying in the matrix for the time being - the sky is still dark and everyone needs power and/or food. Symbiotic relationship and all that. I guess eventually they'll have to figure out how to either unblacken it or wait it out. Oh, and I only just now got the Link/Z(elda) reference... lol.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Loop

    by WhiteNoi$e

    yes, it was used as a comic device, but it was also used because audience are a little...slow. LOOP on the train was not enough. The bros' needed to illustrate it...I laughed and I thought it was effective.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 6:25 a.m. CST

    matrix 3 sucks!!!

    by granmechanlou

    c'mon Harry how can you possibly love this movie? it's just a terrible copy of "Aliens" from James Cameron with a (spoiler) daredevil-like Neo. No originality, no humility... it's even worst that the second episode! and the dialogue when (spoiler) Trinity dies! people were laughing in the theatre!!! i hope for them they will find the spectacular tone they had on movies such as "bound" or the first Matrix. well if you want a real good movie go see "Kill Bill"!!! tarantino!!! here's a movie maker that rocks!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 6:34 a.m. CST

    It can be summed up with one shot...

    by 1234567891011121

    Smith does his power-pose and the lightning rumbles behind him. The whole movie is like a characature of itself -- a parody, some of this was intentional, but most of it was not. It was huge let-down the first two were great, but this one just sucked. And what was up with the following: 1: Morpheus's big fat pumkin head constantly being shot from a bad angle. 2. Trinity "I was so upset it took me ten minutes to strap one boot..." 3. The oracle being almost the main character 4. The terrible exposition as to why the oracle looks different. 5. The sappy, terrible, never-ending conversation between "Trin" (barf) and Neo. Neo "You can't die" 'Trin' "yes I can". 6. The religious ending; so Neo becomes Christ!!!. Oracle "I think we may see him again" (what to once again judge the living and the dead?). THEY COPED OUT AT THE END BECAUSE THEY PAINTED THEMSELEVES INTO A CORNER, THEY HAD THE POTENTIAL TO ARTFULLY EXPLAIN what happened in the first two quality installments, but they made something that had the feel of like a crappy early nineties action movie with low production value, YES THE FX WERE GREAT, but what about the scenes where people are talking? Didn't it seem like shitty lighting and really bland backrounds?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 6:37 a.m. CST

    SPOILER!!! A thought about the ending.

    by paulakoski

    SPOILERS" "SPOILERS" My thought about the end. Neo didnt die in the end, the machines just plugged him back into the matrix so that they could reboot. Neo is still alive. When the oracle ask the architekt if the people in the matrix are gonna be unplugged. He answers that hes a program not a human. Therefore i don

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 6:50 a.m. CST

    REVOLUTIONS!!!! GREAT FLICK!!

    by paulakoski

    I never liked the first Matrix movie, it felt like a anime film for dummies. Like Akira and ghost in the shell but it tied upp all the ends. I liked Reloaded more because it was more of a mystery and the story was more complex. And it had great action. But part three rocked. The robot action was great. It was exactly what i hoped patlabor to be but it never was.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Agent Smiths Death

    by Bishop1250

    ***SPOILERS*** I was wondering about Agent smiths death. I believe that because Neo was somehow the only one directly connected back to the SOURCE that when smith took over neo it allowed the Machines to control smith again and in the end, destory him. I believe thats what the light show was for. A physcial representation of the Source taking back control of the Smith program. Im not sure that this theory will fly but its what I believe. In all I could go on on but you can take this theory and run with it...

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Revelutions Is Fucking Great!

    by captaincolon

    Look, i really don't get it. Everyone (bar Harry) is saying this movie is a bag of shite... but it quite clearly ain't! Ok, so Reloaded spent most of its playtime winding things up using a lingo no one could easily take to, and then eventually didn't help develop the tail at all... But Revolutions! Jesus! Me and me'posse crammed our way into the packed cinema last night to catch the movie, and I can safely say it has re-envigorated my fandom of the matrix, simple-as. Robo-suited things were awesome. Squidys were awesome! Lots of things that we just aint already seen outside the matrix were awesome (the machine city, the sky!!). The fall of the dock is awesome (because, come on, until neo plugs himself into the city, they're all doomed!!) and, well, yeah, it was just superb. There was no poxy fucking around with silly objectives as an excuse for action, the action came from the fact that these peeps were absolutly desperate to stop the machines turning everyone into susshi. I thought it rocked, others might not share that opinion, but in my opinion they just must be looking for something to bitch about.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Matrix Revolutions is Brilliant

    by oldbamboo

    I agree with harry, the last time I saw an event movie as eye-popping and thrilling as this was Jurassic Park. Never mind all the philosophy, and the fact that it ends with a truce is a fair point to make in a world of Bush's and Bin Ladens, I picked up on that as well. Also, it's backed up by the Animatrix, which shows the humans were just as evil. Anyway, getting bogged down there. Bottom line, I cared about the characters, gasped at the action sequences, was thrilled, and happy with the way it played out. Considering the mis handling of the 2nd film - one word - exposition - this is a stunning return to form.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 7:51 a.m. CST

    It is truly a great disappointment.

    by conceptx

    My say about all this

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 8:19 a.m. CST

    bottom line

    by gamyharns

    Reviews need to be longwinded when, A. the movie is incomprehensible and somebody doesn't want to come out and say it, B. someone likes to hear themselves talk(or read themselves,) and C. it sucks.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Ummmm, guys? REVOLUTIONS is actually a decent flick...

    by SpyGuy

    I went into REVOLUTIONS expecting a total load of crap, and surprise, surprise -- all these negative reviews are loads of crap. From the ceiling gunfight to mechs bezerker-shooting sentinels to Neo & Agent Smith duking it out SUPERMAN II-style, there is tons of cool shit in this film. As for the ending, well, has no one seen the last episode of THE PRISONER? Those who have seen it have no clue of what exactly happened there either, but like MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, it works. And kudos to the Wachowskis for killing off both Neo and Trinity instead of turning it into some sappy, predictable "We manage to beat the odds" touching reunion at the end.

  • Word!!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 8:41 a.m. CST

    THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS ROCKED

    by akaris

    Nuff Said!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 8:42 a.m. CST

    The horror...the horror.

    by small boy

    Saw the movie yesterday at opening time, and i can honestly say it is one of THE biggest disappointments ever. Not one person left the cinema happy that i could see, mostly it was stunned silence, and a couple of people cursing the movie. Remember after the 2nd film, everyone had their own ideas of what might happen in the 3rd? None of those cool ideas were anywhere close. NOTHING happens. It just plows on and on and on, boring the audience into submission. The fist half hour is shite. Let me just clarify by saying i loved the first 2 films, avoided all advertising and reviews for Revolutions so it wasn't over-hyped for me, and i still thought it was just soul-crushingly shite. There are no decent fight scenes. They reference the over-used movges from the 1st film yet again, Trinity jumps up in bullet-time to fight that guy on the ceiling. I have to agree with Platious.com's summation of the movie, he really nailed it. The main cast are not used enough, boring charactres dominate, and there are so many characters who have zero fucking business being in it; Persephone, Merovingian, Bane, the Train Man, the Indian family, none of them do a fucking thing to advance the story. This is a waste of time and money, it is a massive disappointment, and i can only hope that, as soneone said, this is all just a joke, and they release the real film soon. It's admirable that lots of you have high hopes for this film, but you're fooling yourselves in the same way that i was. As for DustyBooze's line that anyone who didn't like it just "didn't get" the story, come off it, there is NO story to get. It could be written on the back of an envelope. Neo meets someone who tells him to see someone else, who tells him to see another person, who contradicts what he's been told before, and it all ends in some deeply unsatisfying action. And as for "the movie is just too Asian", i am a huge fan of HK/Japanese cinema, please do not put this movie into the same category as them. It just doesn't work. I am really pissed off about this movie, it is a joke, a very bad one. Sorry to break it to the fans, i am a big fan of the Matrix myself, but it really does suck as badly as they say. I cannot wait to see this talkback in a few days when everyone's had a chance to see it.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Jada Pinkett-Smith worst actress ever!!

    by ttocsin

    No Matter what you think of Matrix 3, Jada Pinkett-Smith is the worst actress of all time. She could not hold up a high school play. Why is she famous? Because we need black faces. But why not more Halle Berry and less of this crappy kind of acting. She is a discrace to acting.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 8:48 a.m. CST

    impossible to have a good sci-fi review?

    by warp11

    When was the last time a science fiction movie came out that was not immediately bashed? (I am barring the Rings triology). No one accepts attempts for large science fiction films, especially ones where you may have to "think", like the Matrix films. These same people who hated the Matrix films are proably the same individuals who feel the need to laugh or interject their own commentary into various emotional scenes of Revolutions or any film for that matter. When did it become cool to bash "love" and "romance" in a film? Does it make you more a man to do so? Writting sonnets and singing praises of being in love used to be revered, now it is mock and laughed. Some even go so far as to label you as being a weaker "man", for liking such things. Anyone see the paraell to Sci Fi fans? The enjoyment of Science Fiction is thought to be the realm of "geeks" and individuals without "social skills". On occasion you will have a cross over film like the Matrix and people will judge science fiction to be "cool", for but awhile, but are also quick to slip back into the labeling of science fiction fans as being losers. A sad state of affairs.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Decent end to a cool wee trilogy but....

    by donkeymagick

    What was up with the LONG-WINDED death speech by Trinity? What started out as a kinda tragic moment became ridiculous! I kept thinking of 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail'... 'MONTY PYTHON: REVOLUTIONS' ACT 3 NEO Oh, sweet Trininty, thy death shall not have been in vain! I shall go on to... TRINITY Well, actually, I'm err... not quite dead sir... NEO Oh?! Well err.. Dear sweet Trinity, thou hast not been fatally wounded in vain. (beat) TRINITY Well, actually, I... I think I might survive sir. NEO Err, well... sweet Trinity thou hast not been mortally wounded in vain... TRINITY Actually sir, I think I'm alright sir. I could probably go on... (Starts to get up) NEO No, no! Rest sweet Trinity! Rest! (Whilst this over-extended scene runs and runs, Zion is obliterated in the background cos Neo's taking that fucking long!) NEO Oops! THE END.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 8:50 a.m. CST

    OMFG gimme a break

    by akaris

    If you go into this movie, scratch that, ANY action Movie thinking its going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread and going to be a live altering event, you WILL ALWAYS be let down. if you look back at some of the great action flicks now, you will realize that they have some of the most Vague and stupid endings. The Movie was a great popcorn action movie...hell If anything I give it the the W. Bros. for a really great ending. Go see the movie and see what you think!

  • You can't be help but be influenced by reading both positive and negative reviews before you see a film. It is human nauture to want to fit in. It feels good to know that others think the same way as yourself.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Matrix 4

    by johne5

    the search for more money

  • Anyone else notice that before they enter the club in Revolutions, the girls who are going in are the same girls who are with the guy that buys a disk from Neo in the first Matrix film? Makes you think.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Falls woefully short of REVOLUTIONARY status...

    by UnChienAndalou

    THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS!!!! As in, let's revolutionize one of the most intriguing sci-fi series of all time by abandoning the central characters of the story in favor of an endless machine gun battle between flying squid and a bunch of ED-209's. Taking the story out of the matrix would've worked only if the almighty W broz had the guts to follow through with the implications and possibilities that could've arisen as a result of the two worlds merging together. Or better yet, why not leave the story in the matrix and take full advantage of the reality-bending propensities that a final chapter could bring forth? The now-infamous squid battle grinds the film and the entire series to an abysmal halt, and while it features impressive visual effects, it feels like it belongs in a different movie (say, a LUCAS movie). Speaking of those damned squids, I liked them better in the first two when they were used in small doses. I was shocked that for about 85% of this movie the crux of the alien attack and/or presence is represented in the one-dimensional squids; it's not until late in the third act when new, cool, or imaginative machines show up, but by that point I was hard-pressed to give a shit. It's also at that point when the W's pull their heads out of their collective asses to bring us one more scene of visual poety with the Dark City rain brawl; again, by this point I was so disappointed by everything that preceeded the fight that caring wasn't an option. Damn, the brothers really screwed the pooch on this one. The opportunities and possibilities of this series were absolutely limitless and this is the best they could come up with? Abandon the characters, jettison the style and substance of the first two, and offer a frenetic, Michael Bay special effects machine gun battle as compensation for the absence of the dynamic virtual reality world? Kill off trinity in an interminable death scene for a cheap dramatic effect? Thoroughly establish the malignance of the machines in the first two films and then have the audacity to suggest a "peace" would be feasible for either side? You can rip RETURN OF THE JEDI for being an ewok orgy but at least it brought a semblance of closure to a story that we invested our time and imagination in. REVOLUTIONS leaves the door so blatantly and shamelessly wide open for a sequel that it made me resent the W broz for insisting that this was the definitive finale of the series. Andy, Larry...why? How could you not realize, after knocking the original and the sequel out of the park, that you were writing and directing not just an unworthy conclusion to the series, but a flat-out bad movie? Bad storytelling, bad dialogue, bad science fiction...bad! I'm sure at this point it's irrelevant: most of the involved participants in front of and behind the camera won't be living check to check anytime soon. I first film is a classic, and I absolutely loved RELOADED (saw it a gazillion times theatrically and defended assiduously against throngs of detractors). The fact that REVOLUTIONS turned out to be such an empty, lifeless, soulless debacle almost guarantees that my respect and admiration for RELOADED will be tainted a bit. RELOADED was badass, REVOLUTIONS was bad. I think the only plausible defense that can be made of this film is that it's a spectacle that should be seen on the big screen. Beyond that, no one will ever be able to convince me that REVOLUTIONS is anything less than one of the biggest franchise buzzkills in cinematic history.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:23 a.m. CST

    "There are no decent fight scenes"

    by minderbinder

    I can see having complaints about the movie, but come on. The Zion battle is arguably one of the best (if no THE best) action sequence ever filmed. I guess you had to take a half-hour dump and missed it?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:27 a.m. CST

    by godmustbecrazy

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:45 a.m. CST

    harry's review (matrix revolutions)

    by godmustbecrazy

    I love it! I love it! The energy that is going into this talkback is just incredible. Either you loved it or hated it. I liked it personally, and I just find myself laughing in glee at all the people that hated it. Were the lines extra cheesy in this movie? Yep. Was the scene at the end with Neo and Trinity excessive? Yep. Did this movie leave three hundred million questions unanswered? Yep. So why all the hype? I saw it on another talkback...choice. It either sucks or it doesn't. It's your choice. Also, I can understand why people hated it which is fine, I won't force it on anyone. What I don't like is people saying that the gay-ass hobbits for LOTR rule over Matrix (cause you know, especially on a talkback like this THAT EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING...Damn nerds). Or these artsie critics that are dying to shoot it down, and are not even critiquing it properly (That would be you, Peter Travers from Rolling Stones). Then you have people who think they are too cool and don't want to be a part of liking something this big, so they think negative and end up not liking it. Then you have the real people who are honest, went in with no expectations but didn't like it, not their cup of tea. Trust me, like everyone else this is not the way I expected the Matrix to go like, but you know what it isn't my story!!!! So I accepted the story which they (W. Bros) chose to tell, and after three movies, I'm satisfied and happy with the end result.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:59 a.m. CST

    by paulakoski

    Were the lines extra cheesy in this movie? NO! Was the scene at the end with Neo and Trinity excessive? NOOO!! Did this movie leave three hundred million questions unanswered? NOOOO! Have ayone of you matrix fans even seen a anime film. Ghost in the shell akira? Its supposed to make you think. Leave things open, bee a little weird.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:59 a.m. CST

    If you're gonna SPOIL at least get it right!

    by TheFerretLives

    I've just seen Rev over here in the UK and I have to say I was relieved, especially after all the bad reviews I'd read, I actually liked it and if the general buzz in the cinema was anything to go by so will the rest of the u.k. What didn't help matters though were the spoilers on this talkback and others which made me go into this film not only wary but actually depressed! I don't mind spoilers but for fuck sake people if you are gonna spill the beans on the big plot points in a film GET THEM FUCKING RIGHT!!! Who said Neo dies??? There's no proof that he dies, in fact The Oracle says they will meet him again one day. And who was the miserable git who not only said he died but "just gives up"??? what film did he go and see? This was the main thing that depressed me about the prospect of going to see this film. The first film was so inspiring and empowering (especially the end) and that was mainly because of Neo's journey, and I found it a pisser to think of him ending the trilogy giving up his life, because he couldn't go on. What a shit ending that would have been. But he doesn't do anything of the sort, he travels to the machine world against all the odds, stands up against the machines and negotiates the peace. After finally ridding the matrix and the real world of Smith he is totally fucked and the machines carry him off like he was a Viking sailing off into Valhalla. But there still is no proof he is actually dead, and even so as we've seen in the world of the Matrix that doesn't mean the end of him. Maybe what the oracle means at the end is that the human soul has it's own Matrix. However said that the main characters are like guest stars in their own film must have gone into the wrong theater, Morpheus was there on the screen for the majority of the film and played a crucial part. There were other characters given a good bit of airtime too and I thought this was a good thing - the Kid turned out to be less annoying than he threatened in the last film, Seraph was a welcome addition to the team fighting side by side with Trinity and Morpheus and Link's missus was a good cypher (pardon the pun) for the strength the people of Zion had. All in all I thought the movie was a big improvement on Reloaded which I still dislike. I thought Revolutions was "almost" on a par with the first film. It got rid of all that nonsense about the fight against the machines being pointless and an illusion and the real world being a matrix too and got back to the premise of the first film - fighting for freedom. What I liked most of all was the fact that Neo started to see beyond the code of the matrix and into the code behind everything - matter, energy, human, machine. That made the ending with the peace between the machines and the humans and the new symbiosis more of a suitable solution. One thing I had to wonder about was at the very end when the matrix restarted and the little Asian girl woke up - it looked like the matrix started, then skipped, then started again. Then the little girl created the new dawn. Was this the new matrix that Neo helped start by returning to the source? A new matrix where machines and man were one and you only entered it if you wanted to? A new matrix where the little asian girl was the new one?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11 a.m. CST

    Well, I've said it before and I'll say it again...

    by Louis Cyphre

    Okay, I just want to stick in my tuppence. What a waste. Maybe its me being a cynical Brit, but there was such an abundance of cheese in Revolutions, it was sickening. The dialogue was truly awful ("The machines are leaving! But ... makes no SENSE!" - like Harrison Ford once said, you can write this shit, but you sure can't SAY it.), and the plot simply walked away from all the exciting things that made the first one interesting, to become a simple run of the mill sci-fi actioner. To explain, for me, the first film had elements of the Truman Show and Dark City, ideas that grabbed you and led to musing over 'what if reality isn't REAL?', 'what if we're living a lie?' - nice philosophical undertones lead by some original and novel action. Now the thing the Wack Bros. forgot, it seems, is that the action was NOT the defining characteristic that drew people to the Matrix movie, it was also the reality questionning that brought non-sci-fi fans to the seats. Fans of the Truman Show for example. In the first film, the world inside the Matrix was considerably less stylised (the brightness of the office, the high street) and left you with the feeling that our world could be this one. In the second and third films it suddenly was plunged into a mire of dark greens and browns, 'hyper-real' - and lost the connection with the audience as it suddenly found itself in 'film-land'. I think that was a shame. Its as if they decided that their success had been because of the invention of bullet-time, not their wonderful idea that the action was based around. I dunno, I hoped to come out of Revolutions having seen the biggest twist since the Sixth Sense, all the allegory and metaphor pointing towards a massive philosophical climax - was Neo a program all along? Is the real world not real also? In the end I walked away massively disappointed with the waste of potential; one example being the offensive way that Neo's powers in the real world were never even close to being explained. He had become supernatural, which made no sense! In the Matrix he could see machine code - fair enough, he was a human and we can do some pretty tricky things some times. A human can still beat a computer at chess for example! This I could take - but suddenly we're supposed to accept he has superhuman powers in the real world and can see clearer than Daredevil? I don't know, the movie struck me as lazy. An average action film plot containing some better than average action. What a shame. I honestly thought that what with the amount of layers contained in the first one, the amount of hints contained in the names of the characters alone, that we were headed towards a huge reveal that would be one of the biggest twists in the history of cinema. "Man, you have to see the end of Revolutions, it'll spin you around!!" - I wish. As you may be able to tell, I was a little disappointed. Oh, and don't get me started on Trinity's longest death scene since Sean Connery in The Untouchables...

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:02 a.m. CST

    if ignorance is bliss, then Harry must be orgasmic

    by gunntimo

    What's the fundamental issue this film fails to address in any coherent way? If Agent Smith overtook all of the Matrix, how are those people in the energy battery pods supposed to be cured from Smith so they can make a choice for the Architect? I mean, if they just said, "everything's okay, Smith is gone, and everybody's back to normal," at least that'd be something rather then trying to let us figure out if the obliteration of Smith means everybody's back to normal. It wasn't quite enough for me. They kinda do this by having Seraph, the little Pakistani girl, and the Oracle "return to normal" which I guess implies that everybody who was infected by Smith returns to normal, but how did Neo bring this about? Did Smith infecting Neo override the antithesis? It's just not clear!!! Aaarrrgghhhhh!! This movie sucked! I'd never been so bored in my life. I actually looked at my watch several times, especially after Trinity dies. And the Jesus/Neo/cross/angel imagery? SO PRETENTIOUS. I mean, Jesus made a sacrifice for people who didn't believe in him which is a pretty dramtic character arc for a great allegorical character, but that's not the setup nor case with a majority of the Zionites. I mean where was the scene where Morpheus turns to the non-believing Captain and says, "Do you believe now, bitch?!" Too many people hug in this film. Want to know what a character's motivation is? It's "I need a hug." Pathetic. You know who saves the day? It's the Kid, not Neo. The Kid is the One because if the kid doesn't do what he does, then nothing matters. But wait, Neo saved the kid from the Matrix, so Neo is still the One. No, Niobe is the One, because she can pilot the ship so well, and without her it wouldn't have mattered what Neo did. No, everybody collectively is the One. There is no One. There's just Neo. The Oracle is the One. Whatever.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Nahhhh...

    by Halloween68

    That doesn't really surprise me. Harry likes everything... Unless he's late in reviewing something. Then it's usually, "everyone else hated this, so I'm goin' to hate it too." Remember folks, Harry also gave a glowing review to the PHANTOM MENACE when that first came out. I'm not saying Matrix 3 sucks (I haven't seen it yet to qualify it as such; and after the dredge that was part 2, I'm not in such a hurry to). Just be warned.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:12 a.m. CST

    by illegit

    "If Agent Smith overtook all of the Matrix, how are those people in the energy battery pods supposed to be cured from Smith so they can make a choice for the Architect? I mean, if they just said, "everything's okay, Smith is gone, and everybody's back to normal," at least that'd be something rather then trying to let us figure out if the obliteration of Smith means everybody's back to normal." Oh, gee, you mean like how at the end Seraph, the Oracle and the little girl (all people/programs he copied) were there back to normal? You mean if only they had given us something like that? Yeah, gee that would have been great if they'd have addressed that. Dumb people

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:13 a.m. CST

    wow you're all terrible fanboys

    by Mr.Sleep

    I've got a couple things to say here and since i like to talk hold on. First to the guy agagararneo or something like that. what are you talking about noone like the first matrix until the dvd came out is that why it was sold out for like 5 weeks at my local theatre. is that why it made so much money. and talk about jumping on the bandwagon one of the reasons i hated this movie was because where you had a fun action flick everyone turned into something deeper supposedly which was nothing more than a god damn jesus reference as well as various other philosophies that were just too apperent and too well lame. i didn't leave matrix thinking or pondering life or whether everything was real instead i left called up my friends and told them to avoid matrix like the plague and thankfully i saved them 8 dollars. no the bandwagon was there when the movie came out not when the dvd came out you know how dumb that sounds. secondly most people thought the second one sucked because it left too many questions unanswered and now all of a sudden it's ok that's what supposed to happen you're all tools. i swear to god go play that terrible piece of shit matrix game sit on your thumbs. thirdly whoever said that we won't get a movie to make us think like that in a long time...Are you brain dead? Seriously i've seen two movies that made me think more about the human condition and the meaning of life in the that have been exceptionally one hundred and 5o thousand times better than all three matrix movies. Waking Life, American Beauty, A Beautiful Mind, and (I know you're going to argue but remember i said human condition) 28 Days Later. Hollywood will always continue to come out with movies that ponder and take a look at the meaning of our world. Hell the next hugh grant movie will probably have me pondering my life more than the matrix, at least the first one. ONE WORD FOR YOU FANBOYS "wow" if this is your idea of good writing watch some better movies there was only one good quotable line in the first matrix and that was Smith's line about humanity being a disease. everything else was stupid and only portrayed Neo stupidity more and more "there is no spoon" argh it's so great reloaded rocked more than the first that way it can define who the true sci-fi fans are not those who want fucking kung-fu if you want kung-fu watch a fucking kung-fu movie this is sci-fi not martial arts. "isn't what they could do in the matrix the reason the first one was so good" no that's what made it suck because it spent too much time on the god damn wirefighting and special effects they forgot to put in a decent original plot. at least in reloaded it became more original. idiots all of you. go see some good movies and not this fan boy crap.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:58 a.m. CST

    blah blah blah

    by SAVOIR_faire

    Once again, if you're such a brilliant story guru...if you know sooooo much better how to craft a sci-fi franchise with intellectual weight and mass-market appeal, If you're SO WISE that you can rip the Watchowskis' work from your suburban bedroom, then get your ass in the game and PROVE IT. Write something yourself! Please! Put a project out there for your fellow fickle fanboys to massacre. Show that you're more than a geek in a box. Or else, shut up and let the people who enjoy sci-fi films do just that...these hate posts are getting even more illogical than usual.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:18 p.m. CST

    by supremelogic

    Nicely done Harry! Well thought out, and delivered. You have redeemed yourself in my eyes for pissing on Reloaded and defending that wack-ass Charlies Angels sequel. Gotta disagree with you on the flying fight scene though. I was able to keep up just fine. The nehru coat helped distinguish between the two. Peace...

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:49 p.m. CST

    What the Fuck?!?

    by ComicBookGeek77

    Excuse me for saying this but that jizz coated review Harry wrote is the biggest load of insincere crap I've ever read! What the Fuck?!? What kind of a geek/fanboy are you? I saw the flick and it sucked. It left me unsatisfied w/ a case of blue balls for the REAL Matrix finale. All this bullshit about Capitalism vs Communism vs Bin Ladin, that's the cheesiest load of overzealous, self-indulgent fluff I've read in a long time. This movie was a vanity piece a la the Wachowski Bros. to finance hoars and coke. I stated in an earlier forum I wouldn't pay money to see this, and line those assholes pockets, well I didn't. I paid to see Scary Movie 3 and hopped theaters.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Armor and stuff

    by whatamidoinghere

    Well it's fairly evident why the mechs had no armour--it's a cooler special effect. It can be semi-justified by postulating that they have limited resources(not that "walkers" are a terribly efficent platform to begin with); whoever's in charge of them is really into "the best defense is a good offense"; and/or once the squiddies are on you all the armour you could carry would buy you about 10 seconds and once they get past your guns there's nothing you could do in that 10 seconds to save yourself. Some plexiglass just to protect you from flying debris might have been nice, but whatever, by the standards of mechanical walking shooting things in Hollywood movies I have seen and compared to the all the magically hovering stuff--I guess if humanity was wiped out the machines would be forced to use WINGS--and "electro guns," they were hardcore realistic. Watching Enter the Matrix, it's also obvious why everyone dresses in rags--in the first one the "real world" was supposed to contrast with the matrix, not be like "Star Trek," and the costume designer is a clueless flake.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Meanings Harry

    by Dolmes

    Why was Ms Belluci still alive? Why waste time with Merivingian? Neo was trapped inbetween worlds right the tension lasted about 5 minutes. Why take three movies, (other than money), to explain a Twilight Zone episode? Why make Keanu Reeves act? Dull, boring, headache enducing crapola, ergo I didn't like it. I like movies that expand the mind and make you think but it's a different matter when those films start disappearing up their own arses. Besides, The Matrix came out before Terrorism truly affected the US, it's an fter thought that is irrelevent. God I hate that word!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 1:28 p.m. CST

    News of a The Muppet Matrix

    by HardcoreRocker

    Gonzo is Morpheus, Kermit is Neo, Janice is Trinity, Rizzo is Mouse, and Fozzie is Tank. Miss Piggy is The Oracle, and Mr. Smith? Clearly the bear from Muppets in Space. I'm seeing Revolutions tonight. Can someone tell me if it's good or not? No one seems to have an opinion here. Kinda liked the first, liked only bits of the second. Hope this one is good. www.rockithardcore.com

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Response to illegit

    by gunntimo

    The oracle, seraph, architect, and the little girl were all programs - NOT human batteries. I can understand caching a program and restarting that, but what about the humans? Sure, it's clear the Matrix tracks battery people movements within the Matrix, but not thoughts. Otherwise, they would have known what Neo and Morpheus were up to each time they entered the Matrix. But if Smith were literally taking over the minds of the people, how do you restart them? Do you just put them on hold until Smith is weeded out of the system? Then everything's okay? The problem is, none of the "human" people established in the film live in the Matrix. They could have explained this, but they didn't. Maybe they really couldn't. "It's just a movie," etc. But it's a huge cop-out. I don't mind open-ended possibilities for interpretation, but there is no dramatic weight if we don't understand what Neo did to blow up the Agent Smith program and how it somehow reconstitutes the batteries Agent Smith has infected. I can see restoring computer programs - but restoring memories, choices when it seems clear the Matrix can't interpret these save through manifestations of action? I don't know if the "prove it by making your own film for us to massacre" guy was directing his comments at me or at all the naysyaers in this thread, but I HAVE made my own film (www.vernacularfilms.com/apology), though it's not sci-fi, and I make no claims that it's better thn Matrix (I'm still editing). Making a movie is hard. My expectations for my movie are small because I had ten grand to make mine, and it'll probably only ever be seen by two hundred or so people in Michigan, most of whom worked their asses off to make it. BUT, when you make millions off a movie that showed great promise (The Matrix Unleaded) and then follow that up with glossy, expensive swiss cheese - it might taste okay when you're starving for stimulation, but when you get your fill, you'll realize you just ate all fat with little nourishment. For someone like Harry, this is the paradigm, and I'm glad he can handle it, but I prefer films that work harder. That don't hit you over the head with every cool posture already seen in the first film. I mean, why does Neo have to fight? He can read code. The only point of him fighting with kung-fu is to make kids who don't have the respect for the tenets of martial arts to geek out about what they think is missing from their lives. It has nothing to do with dramatic arc or character growth and achievement. Can I make a better sci-fi film? That's not the point. The point is that I can be disappointed and that I can loathe the fact that I paid $7.00 and while venting maybe help steer someone else away from supporting crap like this movie, instead of listening to Harry like I regretfully did.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 1:36 p.m. CST

    matrix trilogy is only 2 films! remember

    by jackasswhoisaw

    why do people not realise that the matrix is the matrix and the sequal is one very long film! seriously, watch reloaded just before revolutions and you will understand how great IT is.There are pointless fights in reloaded cos they carry on in revolutions. wait till the dvd box set and you will all understand!!!! jackass

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 1:40 p.m. CST

    the Matrix IS about terrorism/violence

    by phaethon

    All of you geniuses going on and on about how stupid it is to compare Neo and company to terrorists.. you ARE IDIOTS!!!!!!! I wish there was some sort of punctuation key that would give more emphasis than the exclamation point.23.2.3@#@#@@ If you happened to watch the first Matrix, you saw the philosophy book written by Jean Baudrillard (Simulacra and Simulation). I am sure you understand that there are things called words in that book. Guess what the words end up saying at some points? WE LIVE IN A SIMULATION AND ONE METHOD OF RESISTANCE IS VIOLENCE!! TERRORISM!!! Though.. the violence is absorbed.. too.. so Baudrillard doesn't think terrorism will work.. read the chapter "On Nihilism". Your mistake is thinking that the Wachowski brothers are as stupid as you are. Their writing is pretentious and self-indulgent (according to your standards).. not Harry Knowles review OF it. i love using CAPITALIZATIONNANA

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 1:50 p.m. CST

    reloaded and revolutions were filmed back to back

    by newc0253

    so all the fucking wierder that one works (reloaded) and the other don't (revolutions). simply put, reloaded felt like it had been carefully thought through and worked out whereas revolutions felt like a rushed job. compare the burly brawl with the final smith/neo showdown. one was inventive, the other redux. and, thinking about it, why is the machine city full of, uh, actual machines? we're talking the most advanced computers on the planet here so why is it just more squid? why isn't it more like the matrix? discuss.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 1:57 p.m. CST

    With 117 precincts reporting...

    by Trav McGee

    The Matrix: Revolutions is tracking 28% rotten, with a 5.2 out of 10 average rating. Dan, I think we're ready to call this one.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:04 p.m. CST

    What are you talking about? AND What happened to the end of the

    by Ezra_Corpse

    My comments are divided into two parts, one to refute the utter stupidity of Harry's comments concerning Bin Laden, Capitalism and the USA, and the other is to ask a question concerning the first movie. Harry, let me get this straight. You are stating that Bin Laden, a man responsible for the deaths of 3,000 Americans should be compared to a fictional, Christ-like character in a movie? Isn't NEO trying to free people from the Matrix? What exactly is Bin Laden trying to free us from? Self-determination, liberty and life? The other completely idiotic comparison was your 'Matrix = Capitalism' argument. You idiots on the Left don't have any clue what real repression and control really are. Is someone from the government shutting down your website? Is someone from the FBI preventing you from posting your idiotic comments on the web? Is someone from the local city council coming down to your house and asking you to explain your views? Of course not. Additionally, it is the American blend of Capitalism that has allowed the Internet to flourish, that has allowed cinema to flourish, that has allowed cutting edge technological advancements to flourish, that has allowed unknown, insignificant geeks to gain access to powerful technology and thereby gain a voice. You can reach more people than the Guttenberg Bible ever did due to American Capitalism. It's that same American Capitalism that allows Alex Ross to flourish, that creates opportunities for you to become a producer in Hollywood, to write books. Here quick, give me the Top Ten technological and cultural contributions of the Eastern Bloc during Communsim. Hell! Give me just the Top Five. Okay, the Top Three? One? Anything? You should really be ashamed of your silly comments. Now to the movies. At the end of the first Matrix, NEO is talking into the phone to someone and telling them how he is going to "show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you, a world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries, a world, where anything is possible". Um, er, ah, does that happen in the 4th movie? The problem with Reloaded and Revolutions is that they have nothing to do with the first movie other than more Smith, more silly blather and meaningless fights. Matrix 3 is a movie about the Matrix in which absolutely almost nothing happens in the Matrix itself. The Wachowski's have now joined George Lucas and Chris Carter in the "How to Kill Something Great That Everyone Loves Hall of Fame". And, still, shame on you Harry.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:09 p.m. CST

    What are you talking about! !!spoilers!!!

    by sayjin0

    *********SPOILERS**************** LETS ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS SHALL WE. lets start w/ the little girl without purpose. Her purpose? There was no purpose! Thats the point. The movie was not going to give answers, or make you understand God or religion. Its a movie to entertain, period. Second, the title revolutions. You mean like a circle? Whoa! Thats deep. Every begining has a begining. Third Smith's demise. The new oracle stated choices had been made. You just have to understand. This was a plan to stop Smith. Neo understood. Neo let Smith copy himself to him so that the machine could read the Smith Virus code and destroy it. Simple terms: Neo becomes Smith, machine reads code, machine destroys code. Neo was like a self-sacrificing antivirus. He gave his life to the machine to stop the virus to strike a deal for peace. Whew. Final: As far as the matrix goes, the machine got the data needed from the one to restart. Backup Data. matrix restarts, CHOICES made, a new future begins. So what changed in six hours(or three films) NOTHING. Zion rebuilds, couple hundred years pass and a new ONE is born and the cycle begins again. now watch matrix, matrix reloaded, and matrix revolutions again. Then repeat, then repeat, then repeat.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:24 p.m. CST

    If you only read one post about the new matrix....

    by leisureape

    ...then this isn't the one and neither is neo it turns out. Or was he? I can't beleive this movie!!! Could it be worse then the Godfather 3? I can't think of many third movies that suck more. Why would you leave the fate of the main character unresolved at the end of a trilogy? What happenes to the newly blind Neo next?! HUH?! Of all the unanwsered questions left, here is the kicker: why did the audience laugh during Trinity's death? It wasn't supossed to be funny, but the way it was handeled was comic. That's a sure sign of poor filmaking, what a disaster.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I'll say it again...

    by Yossarian

    The little girl is there to humanize the machines, give them a face. That's the whole purpose of the otherwise pointless mobil ave scene. But that scene is core to the film's premise. Once again: the movie sets us up to realize or believe that wiping out the machines is wrong. This is a civil war, not humans vs. aliens. All the people disappointed that Neo didn't wipe out the machines missed the big fuckin' picture that the W's have been pointing at for two films now. The animatrix, while a side project, screams it.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:33 p.m. CST

    The Ending

    by Mr. Profit

    I don't think Neo died. When he was carried off onto the platform the audience saw it the way Neo saw everything after he was blinded, the flames. The movie was great. Hey there are some points where you think Neo is a lunkhead. How could he not know Bane was Smith when Smith is the only person that calls him Mr. Anderson. And Trinity's scene was a bit long. I was expecting her to say "Swing Away Neo" But the movie was great. Great action, a kick ass final showdown. And a quiet ending. People just put too much into the original film. And in reality, the ending to part 3 shouldn't shock you. It's been in our faces all along. Neo is like Jesus and he would sacrifice himself to save the world. And what happened to Big Jesus. He came back. The same way Neo will. It's like you bash Reloaded because it had too many long winded speeches. But then we get pure popcorn and bitch for lack of substance. What movies were some of you watching because I thought both were great. Take them for what they are worth. And remember every movie has flaws. I could go and rag on X2, Star Wars, and LOTR but I wont cause that's the easy way out. And also because I'm not a person who is only loyal to one franchise and shit on the others who are it's competition. Time Warner made a shit load of money off of us this year with T3, Reloaded, Revolutions, Freddy vs Jason, TCM and the soon to be blockbuster Return of the King. So why hate on the film when the money is going to the same place. My all over the place rant is now over*********************** BTW I hope ROTK is good because I'd hate to see the crazy backlash on this site.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 2:42 p.m. CST

    And another thing....

    by Mr. Profit

    What were you expecting anyway? Humans need machines to live. That was a theme in Reloaded when that guy (his name escapes me at this moment) was pointing out to Neo at night in the city how Humans need machines for lots of things. They need machines to hack into The Matrix, they need machines for heat. And they needed machines to fight the sentinels. It make sense to have a truce. I just don't get how it's cool all of a sudden to rag on The Matrix. Some people act like the movies changed their lives or something.Stop treating the Matrix Reloaded and Matrix Revolutions like Ja Rule :)

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:08 p.m. CST

    road to nowhere

    by morphous12

    now that i've seen all three films, and have seen the "conclusion" of the series, i can now say that i feel let down and ripped off. i feel that the 2 sequels took us nowhere. i feel that there was no actual resolution. it all feels so pointless. when i saw reloaded i was intrigued by the issues that were raised by the film. i wondered where the hell all of this was going. i thought it would all be resolved in revolutions. but that didn't happen. it all went nowhere. i feel ripped off.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Revolutions sucks

    by Bela_Landau

    TRINITY DIES, NEO SAVES THE WORLDS......... WOW WEE!!!!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:23 p.m. CST

    THIS IS FOR TEZZ CROST

    by allanon1985

    What are u smoking man? The matrix triolgy is better than the LOTR trilogy? You have to be stoned outta ur ass if u beleive that. I wont even mention the fact that Revolutions had some of the worst acting ive ever seen. I think that "Death Machine" had better acting. The only good thing about the matrix sequels where the fight scenes. But that is a long call away from making them even half as good as the LOTR movies.Oh, and u said u had read the LOTR books. I dont really think u have since The Return of the King was the most emotional and exciting of the three books. Maybe u should read them again cause u dont know what ur talking about. I love the matrix movies, but when someone says there A LOT better than the LOTR trilogy, i gots to step in.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Revolutions is my biggest movie let down this year (so far)

    by Bela_Landau

    why, oh, why do i hate Revolutions? i wanted sooooo FUCKING much to love it... sorry Harry, but Revolutions isn't better then Reloaded... the series' biggest flaw? lack of carachterisation... i think that the Matrix trilogy is like a fireworks display, hear me out... you start off at a fireworks display, they light them they go bang and everyone goes 'ahhh' 'ohhh' 'wow'... thirty minutes later (or two sequels later) it loses it appeal (i.e. bullet time, slo-mo effect, Lawrence Fishburne... Agent Smith too? i would say Neo, but he never appealed to me in the first place, yay Joe Pantoliano)... maybe i went into Revolutions with a closed mind? maybe i was too excited? maybe it does actually suck? Let's face it people... Keanu Reeves is a BAD actor and the Wachowski Bro's are bad dialogue writers... and Sentinels are bloody creepy, urgh! SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER: Trinitys death scene is quite possibly the most unemotional piece of shit put onto film... but i am a picky bastard when it comes to my films.... hey, i loved Titanic and Pearl Harbour... and probably Battlefield Earth too if i saw it... and, Lost In Space is good Harry, c'mon, its got Gary Oldman in it for christ sakes... also, i think that Kill Bill is film of the year so far, but that for another time and another rant... i've said what i've come to say, so keep up the brilliant work Harry.... P.S. Cameron Crowe FUCKING ROCKS!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Neo's powers - the tech/secular explanation

    by inc

    ***BIGASS SPOILERS*** Neo's power came from being connected to the machine city mainframe which hosts the matrix network. All the humans who had powers did so by by bending the rules of the matrix network but couldn't completely break them because the matrix was their host and their priveledges where limited to that network. Neo had a sort of hyper-admin status because he was linked into to the machine mainframe - sort of a direct link to "god", which makes sense for the messiah. Neo's link to the mainframe is represented by seeing the golden code instead of the green code of the matrix. Because of this link he was also able to affect other things connected to the machine mainframe, e.g. the sentinels. Also, note that all of Neo's precog dreams are about events that happen in the matrix. The power of the oracle's "eyes" are presumably the result of a similar link back to the mainframe. Why did Neo have a link to the mainframe? Well there is no real explanation, and while it is annoying it does help Neo seem more mystical. He is the one and all that. My take is that he is the chosen one, in that he's kind of a play-tester for the Matrix game. The machines hook up one human with a wi-fi linkup to the mainframe to transmit quality control data that will be used to upgrade the matrix into v2.0. *** END SPOILERS*** I'm not getting into the bitchfight regarding the movie, but I'll just say that the fact that I can crap on like I just did and still have other religious/social/psychological interpretations is a sign that it's a good movie - if you like to think about your movies. When was the last Hollywood action film you could say that about? It's designed to be discussed, so I guess this board is proving that it worked.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 4:46 p.m. CST

    thanks grendal, toyboat

    by uberdeutsch

    that was an awesome talkback about the film. awesome reading.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 5:29 p.m. CST

    The Wachowski Brothers RAPED my late twenties

    by EduinBrutus

    Matrix 3 is such a load of garbage, it has utterly despoiled one of the best films of the 90s. The memory of the first Matrix film, the exquisite fights, the wonderful exposition and thought provoking plot are lost in a mess of religious parallel and pointless, wasteful, boring, painful "drama". ----- Fight at the gun check - crap we'd seen *much* better in Ep 1. Fight in Bondage Club - boring, outcome was inconsistent. Lando flying out the death star, err Hammer chase - Lucas want's royalties *now*, damnit, although Larry Fishburne did a decent Nien Nunb. Zion fight - reasonably entertaining. Bane fight - yawn. Bane impression of Smith - quite good in a comedy way. Flying into Zero One - ok, I guess. Smith Fight - probably the best bit, homaged the dojo from 1 in a better way than the blatant rip of the gun check fight, raindrop, face compressing punch was quite fun, only "new" trick in the entire film, however. ----- And that's about it for action in a 2 and a half hour film, barely 20 minutes of "fun". The rest of drawn out, pants rubbish. It's a sad way to finish the trilogy, it is actually *worse* than Matrix 2, and I really didn't think that would be possible. While Matrix 2 had overlong fights, I actually enjoyed it in the cinema, although repeat viewings are tedious. ----- The christ ending was utterly pathetic, I don't actually care if he is alive or dead (he's dead, btw, but the choice is open as to whether it is the Canoe "one" which is reincarnated or a new "one"). But frankly I don't give a fuck. ----- Waste of time, don't spend money on it. I'm glad I didn't. ----- Regards, Eduin - And we shall build... The Republic of Heaven.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 6:14 p.m. CST

    How did Neo beat Smith?

    by Darth Thoth

    I thought it was a very good movie. The FX were amazing. The Zion siege was classic. Yet, I felt the ending was rushed and it threw me off. What specifically happened to Neo at the end? How did he beat Smith? I was at IMAX in NYC last night and no one in the audience could explain specifically what happened. Still, congrats to everyone who worked on the films for a job well done in completing the tale.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 6:28 p.m. CST

    inc is spot on....

    by SAVOIR_faire

    Just like some of the classic Spike Lee joints, this flick was designed to be discussed. And that's what all the negative dittoheads are doing - Great! -- Once again, you have nothing to say until you've negotiated a deal with a major distributor for your Intellectual property. Other than that, it's way too easy to start holding expectations up for filmmakers when your contribution to the world of film is zero. Or slightly above zero. Let's get real. They made their movies, Score one for the W-Brothers. Now your turn. You want to battle them? Make something. I dare you. I dare you twice. Stop talking, take out your laptop, and type: 'FADE IN:"

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 6:36 p.m. CST

    FANBOY edits

    by Rick Sparks

    Remember the STAR WARS edits? After cutting my editing teeth on personal edits of Episode I and II, and after seeing these crappy, bloated "MATRIX" sequels, I can't wait for the "REVOLUTIONS" DVD to come out so I can take it and "RELOADED" and create a good 120-minute sequel titled "THE MATRIX: RECODED." First off, I'm making the visit to the ARCHITECHT the dream, instead of the crappy one about Trinity. More to come....

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 7:08 p.m. CST

    BILL AND TED'S EXCELLENT ADVENTURE 3 must now be made.

    by PS_PoWeR_

    Now that this silly little romp is done (Matrix), it is time for Keanu to go back to his roots and play the role he was born to play! Look at that bad acting in Revolutions; it is obvious he wants to be Ted again!! Seriously though, a Bill and Ted 3 would kick lots of ass! Though keanu is old, he could easily pull off a college aged Ted reuniting with Bill to save the world with George Carlin!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Dead Neo

    by Maestro_Sartori

    Thoughts: Someone upthread was wondering how Smith was killed... It seems to me that, upon realizing just how many Smiths there are to defeat (rememeber the look on his face looking up out of the crater), Neo, fully cognizant that Trinity is, in fact, irredeemably dead, decides (chooses, in the parlance of the series) to not fight any longer. If Trinity had lived, this would be different. But, she's dead. So, he takes the *other* path from the agreement with Mr. Big Techno Head: he allows himself to be assimilated (or rather, beaten) which, by his contract, implies he has failed. By allowing himself to be killed (and due to his now-reinforced connection to Smith), he allows Smith to be defeated by the Machine (or Architect, if you want to go that route). So, the Jesus connection is completed - Neo saves the world through his death; the Oracle prophecy is fulfilled - he is the One; and the Architect's amphiboly is correct - he saves a small group from Zion while Trinity dies. In the end, he made a choice (fulfilling all the claptrap about human free will), yet he was still fated to a particular end (fulfilling the reality of the Machine World). Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant! (And I haven't even covered the cheesy, if beautiful, symbolic contrast and implied intertolerance between Neo's religion (monotheism) and the Indian-family-in-limbo's religion, and their subsequent respect for one another despite being mutually alien.) (PS - I am firmly of the belief that the majority of the people whining about this movie are simply too adolescent to accept a lead's death and certainly too ignorant to examine their own beliefs. I would bet big money that evangelical Christians are, per capita, the biggest whiners here.) Anyhoo, my $0.02...

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Just came home from watching REVOLUTION... Kudos to Platious.com

    by Stiflers-Sister

    ... because I left the cinema so COMPLETELY unsatisfied tonight, that I couldn't even express WHY I felt the way I felt about the movie... or what I even felt to begin with. Platious.com sums it all up. So thank you. I love the first Matrix so very much and I was dissappointed about the second one, because I didn't like the style, the dialogues, the plot, none of the new characters ... and to be honest, I felt so very stupid at times because I was lost with it (the plot), too, sometimes. In a way that was the one thing about the sequel that I kinda liked. All those new questions that had come up ... all those new possibilites. Are any of those questions answered? NO! And while that does the trick for Harry, it made me want to go all Agent Smith on everyone involved with the film. On the positive site, REVOLUTIONS *is* better than RELOADED. I was actually having a good fun every once in a while, but as soon as I started thinking of Matrix 1 again, I wanted to bawl my eyes out. In fact, I don't believe the whole "it was always planned as a triology" shit anymore ... like, at all. I admit, after I had seen Matrix, I was LONGING to see more, I was counting the days for the sequels to be done, but now I wish they had left it at "the one". But maybe I'm just stupid. Maybe I still don't get the plot of RELOADED and REVOLUTIONS. But oh wait, that's the thing: there was NOTHING being reloaded and there was no f** revolution either. All the time I was waiting for THE TWIST ... the big turnaround, the storyline that made me gasp or shout out "YES!" with glee, but it didn't happen. No Neo, Trinity and Morpheus really being machines, no ... I don't know. It's not my job to make the plot. But I wanted to be blown away. damnit! It didn't happen. Or do you reckon people laughing at out loud at scenes you're not meant to laugh at (Dying Trinity whispering "It's alright!")? Maybe it is. Maybe people were meant to shout out "FAST FORWARD PLEASE!!!" like they did tonight. Maybe. But I wish we all could've been as awe-struck as we had been seeing the original Matrix. Those were the days.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 7:25 p.m. CST

    After seein the movie and then seeing peoples reactions I have o

    by Rcamacho2278

    I have always been an anti-social person but it has never been more clear to me why. Forget about the whole "everyone has an opinion " bit cuz these people with opinions who are crying and complaining that revolutions was the worst movie they have seen , are real assholes. plain and simple, And quite possibily the most anal people I have ever come accross. The people I find to dislike this movie with such a passion are really people who have other serious problems, and their reasons for not liking this movie is so ridiculous, that well, it simply goes along with the character of these people. Even at it's worst the movie was an enjoyable experience. HEll I even saw tomb raider 2 and I didn't like it but to say it was a waste of your life and to be so upset? Maybe these people really need to stop being to fucken uptight about the movies they watch, or maybe they should keep their fucken mouths shut and stop raining on peoples parades, It's like Eating the best damn steak in a restaurant cuz your starving while the person behing you is BITCHING cuz his or her steak is not what they expected, they have to have the steak THEIR way, nevermind the fact that they should 1) be fucken happy their eating in the first place and 2) be fucken considerate to the people around them who ARE eating. This goes to the assholes who post in reviews with spoilers to movies, and assholes who are willing to give a thumbs DOWN to a movie simply because they either didn't like the ending or it wasn't what they conjured up in their own mind. yes this makes me realize how I much I hate people, and even in a place where I hope to get away from assholes for 2 1/2 hours, I still find myself surrounded by these kinda people.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Bravo, boys

    by Mafu

    I went to see "Revolutions" last night, and a day later I'm still giddy from the experience. Harry's review summed up the bulk of my own feelings about the film, but I would say that I was just fired up to see such unadulterated, kickass cinematic violence. Man. I think the plot and character points were solid, as the violence wouldn't have meant much without them, but the battle sequences were unlike anything I've ever seen. Fucking sweet. Bravo, Wachowskis!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Hollywood Harry

    by BustRocks

    Now that this guy's got a deal with Revolution, favorable reviews (or bad ones, depending on who Harry's helping) are going to abound. Even more so, that is. He's a "producer" now, he needs other people's help to get things done, he needs favors. Favors beget more favors. He's shoveling horseshit down your throats, people. Suck Satan's cock, Harry, ain't it cool?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 7:49 p.m. CST

    BustBalls

    by Maestro_Sartori

    Dude, you're a dork.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 7:57 p.m. CST

    re: the matrix IS about terrorism/violence

    by Dolmes

    If that's the case it's a propaganda piece then? Go to war, protect your country and don't question me. F**k religion and bring on the tanks? I'm amazed this has got past the censors. You damn dirty yanks and your war mongering HAVE YOU NO SHAME!!!!! The Wachowski's ARE as stupid as I am. they think people will buy into this hippie nonsense. Here in the uk I'm watching interviews with the cast and even they look fed up. Lawrence Fishbourne talks about signing up without seeing a script and you can tell he is disappointed with the finished version. Carrie Anne Moss, "it's all about love" thank you carrie, what about the rest of it? This smells like a studio movie. Nobody ever lost any money treating the audience like an idiot. I am that idiot. I get the important hippie stuff but it didn't stop me from being bored senseless. It makes me mad that they ripped off every cliche and fell into a vat of toxic hocum in the process. Why did this crash and burn so badly? If it is genuinely about terroism and violence why did it lack any kind of moral centre. It ended with a depressing wink of "there could be more ya know!" Every beginning has an end. This didn't cause the peace might not last, not whilst the money is waiting to be had. Warner Bros you suck you money pinching gits. I hve a reciept from using my credit card to pay for the ticket, i was not entirely satisfied with the finished article I want compensating how do I do it. Mental torment, boredom and wasting my time. I could have been writing my own script. At least I can see how NOT to do a movie. Alienating your target audience by mixing popcorn with shit. I've had a few to drink. Everything is a blur, where's that hot chick with the tatoo she was nice. Shit I could have been having sex instead of watching that. indeed I could be shagging right now instead of typing this diatribe. good point. hang on. yep that's a better use of my time. and hands, i'll use my nose instead t gsa aafeafsssssbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb unusual turn on, erm poposst That's better. Seriuosly don't see the matrix 3, get some air, a beautiful girl, or man, or animal. Sod it even a household object, whatever you're fancy and be productive. Terrorism and war is bad, only terrorists can stop the terror, who needs Keanu acting badly to tell us that? You're going to see it anyway, I hope for your sakes you enjoy it. For me it bored me. End rant

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Yes Harry spooged for Godzilla and Ep II

    by Rupee88

    This guy clearly is not very cold and rational regarding movies. Anyone who can get worked up over Godzilla and even worse...Episode II has some very low standards for entertainment. I mean he GUSHED over Episode II which was the biggest piece of crap ever. He didn't even gush over the CGI...he gushed over the story and acting. Oh well, he was probably just in a good mood before seeing the film and didn't have the brains or discipline to give the film a more logical appraisal.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 8:41 p.m. CST

    the very end

    by WhiteNoi$e

    So, the back cat. The Glitch in the matrix. Deja Vu. Reincarnation. Any of these things makes sense to you folks?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 9:14 p.m. CST

    re: Holy fuck... Know Thyself...

    by grendel824

    Well said. That's the kind of vibe I got from the end of the very first one - it wasn't so much that Neo was going to pull everyone out of their pods, but that he was showing everyone the truth, and that the truth could empower you within the matrix - you would be able to fly, and basically do whatever you want without being controlled. And if you really wanted to work, you could leave. Which is what I basically view as utopia - absolute empowerment of the individual - you can do whatever you want, and you can't make anyone else do anything they don't want to.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 9:14 p.m. CST

    re: Maestro_Sartori / Dead Neo

    by Darth Thoth

    Thanks for answering my question. Brilliant work indeed on your part. I definitely figured the Jesus connection but not in as much detail as you provide. Props again to you. I guess I'm just really want to know specifically what happened (i.e.- through Neo death's the machines can make a connection to Smith and kill him, etc.) I don't know. But thanks for the insight.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 9:46 p.m. CST

    JEFF OBERSTE!!!!

    by THXER

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Thank you Dolmes, I'm sure you made an excellent point

    by DarthHomercles

    Too bad no one will read it since YOU STRETCHED THE FUCKING TALK BACK!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Just one thing...

    by Moviegeek78

    I loved this movie except for one certain scene that is so bad it's laughable. I'm not gonna say which one it is, but you who have seen this movie know damn well and those of you who are about to well you'll find out.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 10:35 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed it.

    by Psyclops

    I truly believe that this should have stayed as just one movie, that Neo's journey should have come to an end when he took flight at the end of the first picture. The last two installments are very good films but they both feel like they could have used a bit more time to develop a satisfying resolution. Still, I enjoyed both Reloaded and Revolutions regardless of their flaws and am content with what the Wachowski's have accomplished with this series. It isn't perfect but it's a bold step in the right direction.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Answers Please

    by Huh?

    Was everything we just saw in the Matrix? What I mean is this: At the end of the second movie, the Arc tells Neo that he is the 6th version of himself and that Zion had been destroyed 5 previous times. If that is the case, Zion and Neo must only exist inside the Matrix. At the end of the 3rd movie, when the Matrix re-set, did Zion re-set as well and set the stage for a 7th Neo? If Zion was real, how did the previous versions of Neo go un-noticed by Morf, Trin, etc? They are real, so they would see the versions playing out like a video game. Help!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Where's the credit for Jack Kirby?

    by Evil_Twin

    Neo being connected to "The Source". Smith being an agent of "anti-life". Superman references. I'm o.k. with Revolutions, but it sure looks like there was a lot of cribbing from New Gods.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:14 p.m. CST

    How Neo Defeats Smith

    by Sidzed2

    *SPOILERS* I think the way he defeats Smith is altogether more simple. I simply think that when Neo becomes Smith, he somehow instinctively draws on the power of the Machine leader to destroy his body with charges of raw power. Since he is destroyed in the real world, he is destroyed in the Matrix; and given that all of the Smiths are one gigantic entity, the utter annihilation of one Smith means the whole structure of Smiths die. I am probably wrong, but thats how i read it. Damn great movie though! That's what i wanted from Reloaded!

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:19 p.m. CST

    I thought this flick was great

    by digdig

    And if you can't at least be entertained by it ( some of the dialogue was atrocious) just stop watching action/sci fi movies.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:25 p.m. CST

    BNAT 5

    by johne5

    We're gonna see who makes it very soon!!! MUAHAHAHAHA! Oh yeah whoever stretched the talkback, you're a fucktard. Otherwise, I don't know what to think of Revolutions I keep finding myself trying to force myself to like it.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:30 p.m. CST

    What a surprise...

    by Soma Imp

    A decent first movie followed by two messy, overindulgent, somewhat interesting but mostly laboured films. Harry slobbers all over both of them. Big surprise there. Brazil still stands as one of the best sci-fi films of all time, and none of the matrix films even come close.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Darth Thoth... is that Sindarin?

    by Maestro_Sartori

    Regardless, you're quite welcome. I would gladly add more, but some adolescent pimple decided the best way to channel his impotence was to make reading this site as unpleasant as possible for others. So I'll save it for the next time we meet, whenever that may be (if you're still interested at that point). Cheers.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:34 p.m. CST

    43 million the 1st night ya fools

    by iamarayya

    Deserves it, the fight for Zion was the best part of all 3 matrix's

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Gawd, I winced at every line of dialogue...I went to see RETURNE

    by truthseekr1488

    Revolutions was so ponderous it gave me a headache. I don't think anyone cracks a joke in the whole picture. The cardboard cutout supporting cast didn't help much nor did the quasi-Galactica council and the interminable Battledroids shoot-em-up. A few of the shorts in the Animatrix were way better than this, and I suspect the upcoming graphic novel will have more creativity too.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:38 p.m. CST

    What if all the humans want to be freed, and the machines have n

    by DufusyteII

    Will the machines allow their battery source(s) to run away happily out of their pods while all Machine City goes dark and the spikehead shuts down for lack of power? [plot hole]

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 12:03 a.m. CST

    DELETE DOLMES' POST re: the matrix IS about terrorism/violence!!

    by DarthHomercles

    It's stretching the fucking talkback!!! And get some new code installed so this doesn't happen again!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Rcamacho...

    by Obi-Drufff

    Rcamacha, I just want to say that I feel EXACTLY like you do. It often seems to me these days that people simply don't want to like anything. They get more enjoyment out of bitching about it and claiming that it failed to live up to their high standards and tastes. They just sound like assholes to me, though.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Sati/Trinity/Persephone are the same character

    by The DoublePoster

    Having heard a lot of misinterpretations and misunderstandings about the movie, I thought I'd share some of my insights... First, why Trinity is a program. When she died in the second movie, she came back to life (similar to how Neo and Smith both die in the first movie but come back) because her purpose was not yet completed (her purpose being to bring the figuratively/literally blind Neo to the machine city). This is why she tells Neo he cannot save her this time, she has finally completed her purpose as all programs have to. Kindof like the Keymaker, who dies as soon as he completes his purpose. To me, Trinity was created to have the One fall in love with her (as the Oracle tells her in the first movie) in order for Neo to go through that left door in Reloaded. Now, Persephone is the first version of Trinity from the first version of the matrix. In Greek mythology, she was the daughter of Zeus (the architect) and Demeter (Oracle), the mother of the earth's seasons. When Persephone is dragged down to the netherworld (the Matrix) by Hades (Merovingian) her mother causes a dead winter on the earth's surface until she is returned to her. [Slight digression: Why does the Merovingian control the train system? This represents the river Styx, the Greek's portal between the Earth surface and the underworld of heaven and hell, which is controlled by Hades. The dirty bum that conducts the trains is akin to Charon, the boatman of Styx, who ferries souls across the river. Note that "Mobil" Ave. (the sign in the train station) is an anagram for Limbo, which is why Neo cannot escape no matter where he runs.] ***This is what happens at the end of the movie*** Sati, the newest version of Trinity, goes back to her mother and Day 1 waits to begin again (which is why there is the creation of light at the end of the movie) when the peace between man and machines ends. "Sati" is the ancient Hindu ritual that a wife performs after her husband dies. Before British rule of India, it was commonplace that a woman would voluntarily burn herself alive if her husband died. So Sati, like Trinity, is meant to die with her future husband (the next One). I suppose the W bros thought of the name because the last reported case of an actual "Sati" performed in the last 20 years occurred 2 years ago. Also, watch Revolutions again and you'll see Sati's mother is the Architect and her Indian father is the Oracle (who feels the same warmth towards Neo). These 3 movies are the best thing ever put on film.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Sati/Trinity/Persephone are the same character

    by The DoublePoster

    Having heard a lot of misinterpretations and misunderstandings about the movie, I thought I'd share some of my insights... First, why Trinity is a program. When she died in the second movie, she came back to life (similar to how Neo and Smith both die in the first movie but come back) because her purpose was not yet completed (her purpose being to bring the figuratively/literally blind Neo to the machine city). This is why she tells Neo he cannot save her this time, she has finally completed her purpose as all programs have to. Kindof like the Keymaker, who dies as soon as he completes his purpose. To me, Trinity was created to have the One fall in love with her (as the Oracle tells her in the first movie) in order for Neo to go through that left door in Reloaded. Now, Persephone is the first version of Trinity from the first version of the matrix. In Greek mythology, she was the daughter of Zeus (the architect) and Demeter (Oracle), the mother of the earth's seasons. When Persephone is dragged down to the netherworld (the Matrix) by Hades (Merovingian) her mother causes a dead winter on the earth's surface until she is returned to her. [Slight digression: Why does the Merovingian control the train system? This represents the river Styx, the Greek's portal between the Earth surface and the underworld of heaven and hell, which is controlled by Hades. The dirty bum that conducts the trains is akin to Charon, the boatman of Styx, who ferries souls across the river. Note that "Mobil" Ave. (the sign in the train station) is an anagram for Limbo, which is why Neo cannot escape no matter where he runs.] ***This is what happens at the end of the movie*** Sati, the newest version of Trinity, goes back to her mother and Day 1 waits to begin again (which is why there is the creation of light at the end of the movie) when the peace between man and machines ends. "Sati" is the ancient Hindu ritual that a wife performs after her husband dies. Before British rule of India, it was commonplace that a woman would voluntarily burn herself alive if her husband died. So Sati, like Trinity, is meant to die with her future husband (the next One). I suppose the W bros thought of the name because the last reported case of an actual "Sati" performed in the last 20 years occurred 2 years ago. Also, watch Revolutions again and you'll see Sati's mother is the Architect and her Indian father is the Oracle (who feels the same warmth towards Neo). These 3 movies are the best thing ever put on film.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Loved Matrix. Hated Reloaded. Mostly liked Revolutions. Slowbro

    by jules windex

    Same time being filmed meant a very high likelihood of the same problems afflicting both films. It ain't that hard to figure out. There was no break for the Wachowskis to come up with different ways of doing things. Example: Lucas does AOTC 3 years after TPM and you can tell he fixed a lot of the things most people didn't like in the first film. If both had been done at the same time, Jar Jar would've been everywhere. But, putting SW aside, I enjoyed Revolutions for the most part. The Zion battle, for its sheer scope, may be one of the great battle sequences I'll ever see, and it mattered. Nothing in Reloaded mattered much. The Bros. shortened the dialogue scenes this time, so we didn't have to hear Merovingian or the oracle blather endlessly and repeat themselves over and over so they could pad the film to 2 hours. Revolutions is a little short of ideas, as its largely just a straightforward action flick, so it can't match Matrix 1 for the balance of interesting ideas and cool action. The Neo-Smith fight though was an embarassingly cheesy display. Are they doing a ballet in mid-air? That was terrible, and quite the anti-climax as well. The ending itself was far too upbeat to fit in with the trilogy, and frankly I didn't buy it that the machines would call off the dogs like that. But on the plus side, Neo was a little more compelling here, since he wasn't mister invincible, Jada was quite excellent(worst actress ever? uh, ever heard of Gwyneth Paltrow?), Monica's cleavage was outstanding, and as I said, the Zion battle was as good as they come. What a year for great action sequences!

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 1:05 a.m. CST

    I LOVE Harry's reviews!

    by Reedster9898

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 1:16 a.m. CST

    But I tink it's a scary trend that Americans are starting to dei

    by Reedster9898

    Bin Laden isn't putting himself in harm's way for his cause. He's sending his brainless, religious wackos to kill innocent civilians while he hides in a cave.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Haven't seen these theories yet...

    by Stargeek

    ** Spoilers ** -Neo is a program that can inhabit the real world just like the Smith program can. Smith even makes reference when he's fighting with Neo aboard the ship in the real world saying something along the lines as "don't you get it, we're just rotting flesh" or something like that. I can't quite remember the exact quote. -Because Neo is a program in the real world, his "powers" (like being able to knock out sentinals) are from his program talking with the main computer and the desired result is then carried out. -To destroy Smith, he realizes they're both the same kind of program, and as Neo's powers increased so did Smith's and the only way to destroy Smith was to let himself be destroyed. With no Neo, Smith is then reset to nothing. Dunno, just stuff to think about. I felt the movie should have been a little more obvious about whatever was going on as it's a bit rediculous that almost the entire audience has no idea what's going on.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Wow, James Lileks ripped Harry a new one..

    by Meurs1215

    http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/03/1103/110703.html OWNED

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 2:59 a.m. CST

    This movie has no redeeming value. SAVE YOUR MONEY!

    by Reedman

    November 7, 2003 Movie Go'ers and Matrix (original) fans, So last night I got my tickets for Matrix III "Revolutions", right? It turns out that it packed three of the theatres holding the movie and we couldn't find seats together, my fiance and I. But, as excited and hopeful as we were we decided to see it the following night. We decided to get refunded and come back the following night (tonight) and see what we had missed. Turns out we didn't miss anything...at all. In fact, I feel like I pissed my money away and wasted my time. The best word I can think of that concerns the Matrix series is CHEATED! Let me say that the first Matrix had started out so strong and had such a great running theme. Things that were theoretical/philosophical were really cool ideas and something that were reasonably new in the movie world. The whole idea of deja-vu, pre-destined future, being controlled by some higher source, being a part of something we can't see... Such a strong movie theme and idea would surely be followed by something equal if not stronger, right? Wrong. The second Matrix delt with those issues from the first movie lightly, but the theories were not really answered. They were left open ended and for the viewer to figure out - a very weak idea when going into such detail in the first movie. It seemed they started losing the interesting dialogue and went for more computer generated scenes that were just carbon copies of the first that just didn't stack up the same way. The thing that really was stupid is that Kung Fu didn't really matter since Neo could now fly! Taking on legions of people at once, who I might add did not fly, and he can't seem to beat them but fights them anyway...a little stupid, wouldn't you think? Why not just fly away from them? How could he possibly hope to overcome hundreds? What does he do after a pointless 10 minutes fight scene? He flies away. That sure put a good topper on that one. Reloaded - I think what they meant was Repeated? The second one was just taking what was in the first and blowing it WAY out of proportion then leaving us to ponder what they meant. To say the least I was let down with the second but still had hope for what was coming. Little did I know the "big let down" was coming. The third one, Revolutions...well, I had very high hopes for this one since the name of it is Revolutions. I thought this would bring the whole thing together by taking the good and bad and making something great. Instead what does it do - it takes symbolism and tries to incorporate Jesus and other religious ideas into something that should have NOTHING to do with religion. If you see this movie you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Fighting in this movie is invalid since kung fu does nothing to stop an army or an equally matched opponent. It was cool in the first movie, died in the second, and just dug a deeper hole in the third. Death scenes stretch way too long and are drag out huge dialogue that doubles their time that they would have died normally. The whole idea of love is shitty since these writers obviously never left home and are very much, in my opinion, nerds who think they know what love is without every experiencing any of it, save maybe their right hands and imagination. They try to make us feel like we should be sad and yet when you watch this movie and see what was supposed to be serious was actually quite pathetic and humorous. The characters have no development, the plot is lost, the entire building block (i.e 1 and 2) were blown out the door, and everything is pretty much out of context concerning the first two except for snipits here and there. What a waste of time and money to say the least. I feel depressed for putting so much into the first Matrix because now it's totally lame knowing what followed it. These brother flopped on something that had greatness written all over it. In case you haven't seen it...save your money! Do not go to this while it's in the theatre. You'll feel like you're sitting there too long just waiting for this hellish thing to end. I had to vent and knowing how much I liked the first one, I thought others might share my sentiment. Anyway, this is also a way for me to make sure they don't make another dollar on this movie. It was horrible and I refuse to see anything else by these jackasses. Sourfully, Reed

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 4:07 a.m. CST

    matrix revolutions

    by llephen

    rules.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Anybody who hates this movie doesn't understand it

    by wimplo

    Serioushya, everybody who complains states in their talkback "for some reason". Admit it, you didn't get it. Unlike tolkien who doesn't want you to read anything into his books, the wachowskis want you to walk away with your own interpretation. But you have to know whats going on. The one returned to the source, thats why agents smith blew up. It was the only way the machines could defeat smith. But the oracle gave neo a sort of bargaining chip when she allowed herself to be defeated by smith. I don't agree with everything harry said except for the fact that this movie will kick your ass. If you understand it.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Plato amico, magna amica veritas

    by mayaV

    In different words: I love Matrix. But both Reloaded and Revolutions are NOT worth to be called Matrix. Revolution's a well made movie, quite entertaining and also worth the time and money I spent. But despite this: it's a designed-for-getting-much-more-money franchise wihtout soul.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Questions

    by Mosquito March

    First, if the source of the Matrix is in Machine City, why did Neo and Trinity need to fly a real ship, in the real world, through thousands of deadly sentinels to get there? Why didn't he just go find the Architect inside the Matrix, like he did in the last movie, and say, "Hey, if you cut us a break, I'll help you get Smith"? And, what was up with that one sentinel magically passing through his body when they smashed into it? The sentinel is a solid object, and obviously couldn't physically pass through Neo's body. So, what gives?

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Miracleman and the Matrix

    by Rupee88

    There is a scene in Revolutions that reminded me of an image from the comic book Miracleman by Alan Moore. It is the scene of Agent Smith hovering the air with the lightning behind him. There is a scene in Miracleman #1 by Alan Moore where the evil "Kid Miracleman", dressed in a black suit, hovers off this balcony with this big storm behind him. This is one of the most widely acclaimed comic book series out there, so it is likely that the Wachowskis read it, considering they are such big comic fans. I was reading some of the early issues and some of the ways they conditioned Miracleman when he was being developed sound a lot like the themes in the Matrix. Check out these quotes: "The sequence in question describes the Para-Reality programming process....In order to fully control the thought processes and motivations of these potentially catastrophic creatures, an entirely artificial reality set is contstructed.... The reality set is then fed directly into their unconscious minds while they lay under the effects of powerful sedatives.... The dream world which we have constructed is one in which a pseudo-rational explanation exists for these human beings.... ...And the creatures have lain dreaming for the last eight years, their entire existence a computer designed fantasy." Very interesting, huh?

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Matrix Revolutions, Condensed *SPOILERS*

    by Dude Abides

    Neo: Hi little Girl. Little Girl: Hi Neo. I can't act for shit, but I'm still better than you. Neo: Dude, like, totally. What am I here for? Little Girl: You're stuck in limbo, between the Matrix and the real world. We'll do some more obvious religious imagery later on. Right now, I'm gonna R-U-N-N-O-F-T with the mad pilot dude from Mad Max. * little Girl escapes on train * Trinity: Hi Oracle. You look different than before. Oracle: Yes, the original actress who played me died due to the shame of the boring last movie. I'll now repeat some nonsensical plot device which supposedly 'explains' why I look different. God, the Wachowski's suck. Trinity: We need to find Neo. Oracle: Well, you could just wake him up, but why not go to a bad S&M club and stare at Monica Bellucci's tits? Int: Bad S&M Club. Trinity, Fat Morpheus and Chinese dude like TOTALLY flip out on some badasses. They also enter an elevator and press the button for 'HELL' in yet more transparent religious imagery. Trinity: Give us Neo. Meringue French Dude: No. Give me the Oracle's eyes. Trinity: ? Monica Belluci: Aren't my tits ACE? Trinity: I'm gonna kill ALL you bitches. Trinity flips out and karate kicks EVERYONE, then points a gun at the French dude. Despite not having even primed the gun, none of French dudes bodyguards shoot her. Trinity: Give me Neo. French Dude: OK then. Audience: Jebus. That wasn't so hard. What was the point of the French dude? French Dude: To speak cod philosophy in a mad French accent, brainses. Monica Belluci: *wobbles breasts* Int: A train station. Neo and Trinity KISS. They then go back to the REAL WORLD. Neo: I must go to the machine city. ALONE. I need a ship to take. Trinity: I'm coming with you. Neo: Oh, OK then. They leave, in their own ship. Big Fat Morpheus and Mrs Will Smith take another ship. Back in Zion, there are lots of stock shots of mewling babies and crying wimmin. Some big walker things walk around, shooting guns from their fricking arms. Angry Black Dude: You're all supposed to hate me because I don't believe Neo is the new Jebus, so I'll shout and yell a lot. We have TWO hours to save humanity. Some machines get into Zion. The walker dudes shoot them. This goes on for several hours. Eventually a bald-headed Vasquez clone, also from Aliens, rescues the day with a home made bazooka. The audience is unimpressed. Mrs Will Smith does mad flying skillz, and nuclear bombs Zion, but this only kills the machines. Everyone cheers. Meanwhile.... Neo: I can see everything, as I'm the new Jebus, but I can't see that Agent Smith is on the ship and about to give me a mad melty face. Agent Smith: MWA HA HA HA HA *sticks mad melty electricty in Neo's face, burns his eyes out* Neo: Bummer. Trinity rescues him. They fly their ship into space. Trinity sees the sun and sky for the first time, like EVER. Trinity: Oh shit, I've seen something really beautiful. That must mean I'm going to die now. Trinity dies. Neo: Don't die Trinity. Trinity: I have to. Neo: Don't die Trinity. Trinity: I have to. N.B. This continues for several hours. Trinity dies. At last. Audience whoops and hollers. Neo walks around the machine city. Big mad machine could kill him, but doesn't. Neo: Hi Big Mad Machine. Agent Smith is totally flipping out. If I don't kill him, he'll kill us all. Despite the fact you control the Matrix, the people, everything, you can't control one stupid programme and need my help. Machine: OK dude, you go kill him. Neo: Fine, I shall kill Agent Smith in an SFX orgy of destruction which still looks like it took place in a disused set of Se7en. Neo is reborn in a flash of light. The light comes out of his heart in the shape of a crucifix. Just in case you didn't, like, totally get that he *is* Jebus. Neo kills Smith. Neo: OK Machine dude, I killed Smith. Now, what say you stop the other machines killing Zion, and we go get a beer and live happily ever after? Machine Dude: Sure, Neo. It goes against everything from the other 2 movies, where you've fought against the machines, but obviously the Wachowski brothers only wrote one film originally and have no idea how to end this one, so lets do that. Int: Zion, Morpheus and a mad killing robot machine do a high five, everyone cheers and yells. Dumb Kid: YEAH!! Neo like totally SAVED US!!! I told you he would. Audience: But the machines still rule things, you dumb bitch, nothing has changed. Morpheus: Verily, Neo is reborn. He is the new Neville Chamberlain. I told all you bitches. Oracle: And if you think that isn't lame enough, now's where I come back and set the scene for more sequels. Audience: BOOOOOO, leaves.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Read this and prepare to giggle

    by Hellboy

    http://www.lileks.com/bleats/index.html This guy's got Harry's number. And that number is "zero". :)

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Strectching the talkback

    by Dolmes

    LMFAO!!! i didn't know I could do that.The power is overwhelmin. How did it happen? It's the matrix you know. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 9:05 a.m. CST

    paulaloksy or werewolf or whatever your name is

    by godmustbecrazy

    before answering back to comments...please read what people say

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Hahahaha, Sucked In Bad ;)

    by Sidzed2

    To all of you who didn't like Revolutions, or thought it really sucked, well, that's your opinion, and you're allowed to have it. I thought it was a pretty f*cking awesome MOVIE (remember those? movies? Those things you watched for enjoyment, instead of rabbling about as if they were the most important thing ever and need to be ripped apart). Ergo, i feel sorry for you that you didn't see a great action sci-fi flick! Concordantly, i hope you see a movie you like AT ALL someday ;)

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 10:27 a.m. CST

    PUT DOWN YOUR BONG HARRY

    by Jeditemple

    It's obvious that you were high when you wrote your review. To compare this movie to modern day politics and to compare terrorists with Neo and the gang is not cool. Why don't you go hang out with your Liberal, fat-a$$ friends like Michael Moore and rewrite history like we know you want to, you facist pig.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Lileks

    by Phimseto

    That article is hysterical. Thanks for the link. In case the rest of you missed it: http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/03/1103/110703.html

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Saw this film last night

    by DennistheMenace

    I dont get it? The first film asked "what is the matrix?" We are told it is all about control. Neo is released, finds he is the one and the film ends. Jump to the second film. I dont think I am the only one who thought it had cool fight scenes, fit birds (Monica) and overlong dialogue, particularly with the architect. The second film introduced new characters, developed Smith and left a lot of unanswered questions. We discover Smith has travelled to real world and poses a danger to everyone. Not a bad cliff hanger. Final film. Neo negotiates peace with the machines. He agrees to help get rid of Smith, in exchange Zion will be saved. Oh and the humans will now be able to chose whether to live in the matrix or live in Zion. Big choice, live underground in the shit like a worm or get fed and watered but live in the matrix. For me the first film asked a question the second and third film could not answer. It questioned existence as we know it. The hype has suggested the Wachowski bros had a trilogy planned. I think that is crap and they had no idea where to take the story. Hence a disjointed second film and a third good but slightly disappointing film. Still it was still better than SW 1 and 2 which were shite!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 10:56 a.m. CST

    that brings up an important point...

    by Yossarian

    The whole trilogy would be hypocritical if after all the blather about control and free-will and choice, the cave-ravers forced all the Cyphers of the Matrix to come to their "Brave New World".

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 11:33 a.m. CST

    My Matrix Revolutions Review (With Spoilers!)

    by Chivito

    Hi Everyone! I am from Melbourne, Australia. I saw Matrix Revolutions yesterday. I found this movie was enjoyable, but I'm not gonna claim it was outright spectacular (like the original Matrix). One thing I want to say is that I found that the various trailers that were on the net before the movie probably spoiled my experience. I mean I think some of the fight/action sequences didn't come out as amazing cause I thought 'hey this is the cool shot from trailer x'. I think this is partly why I liked the movie but didn't find it spectacular. For example in the trailers you see there is a battle in the S&M club,there is a battle in Zion, and Neo fights with Smith. This is nothing spoiler (unless you live under a rock and don't have access to internet or cable tv). I found that the movie didn't reveal anything NEW or AMAZING about these scenes, they just showed how these scenes end. Fortunately these complete sequences are still enjoyable to watch, but don't expect to see something that will make you say 'wow' or 'sh*t' like the first Matrix. OK now I'm gonna get critical for real. (Warning spoilers ahead!) I think for a trilogy this movie ends way too mysteriously. I think anyone who watches this movie carefully will probably afterwards find that there are still unanswered questions and even worse new questions with this movie. One question I got is with such a lack of defences how did Zion manage to stand for so long?? All Zion seems to have is those APU's and foot soldiers! I mean if it's been going on for 100 years don't you think they would have developed more and varied weapons by this time? If the Zionites could have built such an impressive city how come they don't have more impressive weapons technology? (Or were they busy having orgies in the temple?) For example you could have permanent gun turrets, tanks, even giant electric cannons. Or at least why not fully armored APU's where the operator is completely protected? And why didn't they have an EMP weapon within Zion? Hey here's an idea Wackoskis, why didn't you come up with a super EMP as a last resort weapon? (Actually there wasn't even a last resort weapon, the humans were just standing around waiting to get killed!) Here's another thing that is silly, if Neo can feel Sentinels why couldn't he feel that something was wrong with Bane? Cause think about it, after Reloaded he is able to feel and see things, but not the Smith controlled Bane? I think the final Neo vs. Smith battle isn't spectacular though it could have been. Why are they just doing the same wire fu from the last 2 movies? Why didn't either one try something different to take out the other? (Anyone seen that crazy gun fu fight at the end of Equilibrum? I swear why didn't do they some sh*t like that here??) I mean maybe we could have seen Neo and Smith trying to use every weapon imaginable on each other!! (Imagine Neo with a samurai sword against Smith with a chainsaw! Then when that fails Neo gets a piledriver while Smith gets a flamethrower!Well imagine all the cool weapon faceoffs we could have had!) Anyway my point is that this last battle is nothing revolutionary, just the same reloaded battle from the first but with a flying mod attached!! I think that the final scene between Neo and Smith is a bit lame! (Here's how it could have ended which would have looked cool: after Neo is covered by that silver stuff when it disappears instead of getting a Smith clone you see Neo still there. Smith is surprised and shocked, while Neo sticks his hand into his chest. Smith finds himself getting taken over, and turned into a Neo clone. Then the original Neo sticks his hand into the clone, and turns him back into the Oracle. Then Neo jumps out of the crater and into the crowd of Smiths. He sticks his hands into the chests of all the Smiths in his way and they get turned back into the people they were. Each Smith stands petrified knowing that the time is up. Then they could have ended the movie with the Oracle finally telling Neo the truth about everything!! *lol* Anyway back to the review!) Like I said before this movie doesn't answer questions I think most people would want answered like the following. How does a program like the Oracle see the future if she's just a program? How come Neo has powers in the so called real world, as well as in the Matrix? If the so called real world is really the real physical world then is Neo some kind of program/human hybrid? And if the real world is just another matrix what does that mean for the programs and machines, are they really humans trapped in the bigger matrix too? Another bothering thing about this movie is the way it closes up. Despite the human machine war over there is something wierd about the Architect's and Oracle's meeting. The way this meeting comes off it seems more like a meeting of rivals, perhaps even enemies. You got to wonder if there'll be another story in this. You got to wonder if the Architect will really stick to his word. Another thing to wonder is that is there gonna be a possible conflict between the machines? From what I see in the last 2 movies is that there are programs that want to have feelings and have some kind of life, while there are other programs who want to be purely mechanical. Are we gonna see a followup movie or trilogy where these programs battle each other? What about the machine world, what is happening there that programs have to exile themselves to the Matrix? And finally what is the true fate of Neo? I think the Wackoski's make this too ambigious for what's supposed to be the end.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 11:36 a.m. CST

    actual dialogue from Revolutions

    by readyoufool

    Agent Smith: "Why do you continue to fight?" Neo: "Because I choose to." AS: "Yeah, but, why?" Neo: "Dude, because that's what I want to do." AS: "Yeah, but, you could be, like, playing video games or something. I mean, you got that sweet ass v.r. program on your ship over there. What are you doing? It's retarded, you understand me? I mean, i'm a computer! And i'd rather be playing Mario Kart 2 right now, not piddling aroung with you in the street. Come ON." Neo: "There can be only one" AS: "No no no. That's a different movie you twit. That's highlander, dumbass." Neo: "So...wait, i'm a highlander? Whoa. Bogus." AS: *sighs and holds head in hand* "no no NO! Alrightalrightalright...just fuggedit. Just come over here and kick the crap out of me in a totally meaningless fight because you know i'll just come back in larger and larger numbers, so whatever. Just stop trying to think and come over here and..." Neo: *interrupting*"THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!" AS: *under his breath* "Yeah, ... braincell apparently." *out loud* "Sure sure. And who's the one? WHo's the cute little one? Gootchy gootchy goo? Who's number one?" *tickles Neo* Neo: "Hee hee hee, stop. Stop, hee hee, seriously."

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 11:40 a.m. CST

    faulty political analogy.....

    by atticus_joad

    Well, I have to say, that while I agree with your overall reaction from the movie, especially the part that there are no solid answers, the political analogy was fraught with ill-conceived conlusions. On the first, and most basic sublevel, who could compare those fighting for the safety of Zion with people who terrorize and kill people based on pro-Zionistic beliefs? Tell me where you could draw a line of comparison between a person who revels in the death of innocents with someone who gives of their own life to save life? Would the war end if Bin Laden came forward and asked it to? No. Logically, Agent Smith would moreso symbolize bin Laden, than would Neo, but I believe that this movie delves much deeper to ask more universal questions, than simple political agendas. For aren't politcal agendas the product of deeper truths of humanity? As the postmodern lavishness of the Merovingian controlled the Train-operater filtered Media, not wanting to allow the truth (contained in Neo) into the mainstream of the Matrix (which I do agree is the man-made construct of greed/lust dominated society, where the machines dictate every move of our life); so also does that which can free us become suppressed behind the evil of humanity (agent Smith). we are slaves, to a system which we have created, but bin Laden is not the savior of world peace. I find it interesting that you use terms relegated to Chrisianity to make your point, yet at the same time rail against it as instrument of assimilation as Agent Smith is. I almost down-right take offense against it. But what else could I expect, some people are not willing to be unplugged from the Matrix and some cannot handle the truth of what it is. You see Agent smith is Evil, the Evil incarnate that has existed since the dawn of time. Evil, itself, is not an entity, but an absence of Good, just as dark does not exist, but is the absence of light. Neo's death cancelled evil out. Matter meets anti-matter. But it was the giving of his life, not the taking, that caused this. Had good simply abolished evil, there would be an imbalance. One cannot exist without the other. As we saw in the Animatrix, simple belief was enough to free one from the Matrix, and in this simple belief was the salvation of the Human race. Whether or not the brothers intended to make a pro-Christ picture is irrelevant, the truth came through, inevitably. When Neo first visisted the Oracle, he walked through a room of "potentials." In our history, there have been multitudes of potentials, but only who "by dying, defeated death." No other belief system is meant to be as antagonistically subversive as a devout belief in Christ as Messiah. Most others assert a theocracy or abstinence from soceity. Christ asserts one must be a vessel of change in society. I wholeheartedly disagree with legislating morality and belief. Commander Locke is a perfect example of the ridiculousness of attempting to enforce beliefs and behavior on others through government. Morpheus' irrational belief in a Messiah and the choices he makes due to it, are the instigating factors that set in motion the salvation of zion, and as others follow his beliefs, so does the movement succeed. It truly was the belief in The One that saved these people, as much as it was The One's belief in Himself. But he did not believe he was The One, he merely became who he was born to be (to steal a perfect Tolkien-esque line). Salvation lies in the death of one man, who gives his life in battling the most assiduous representation of evil, an entity that roams about like a roaring line, seeking whom he will devoour. One could not be aware of the implications that the final battle had as an analogy to a final war between Good and Evil. The machines were not evil, they simply were seeking to exist without losing all their batteries. Who could fault them, but as the Truth coninued to unplug people from being preservers of a system meant o keep people as slaves, they had to attack. Basically, the way the world is will never change, in fact it may only get more self-serving and evil. But there is a group of people, who are seeking to disseminate the truth and unplug people from this system, and introduce them to real freedom. free will to love one's fellow man, and exist in harmony, as it always was meant to be. it took the death of The One to preserve this system of freedom. And as the movie clearly stated, the freedom of choice is the most sacred of freedoms and must be preserved. That said, I leave you to your beliefs, for my beliefs do not require you to believe what I do, and for that, I am glad.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 12:33 p.m. CST

    "BATMAN AND ROBIN" WAS BETTER

    by 007-11

    I saw this thing last night, I can't believe how crappy this was. The Wachowskis somehow managed to stumble into a good idea and then managed not to screw it up with the first movie. The luck ran out during the second, and now all we have is what I saw last night. I feel violated on all fronts. If the machines and humans had started shaking hands at the end it would have been better than this. DO NOT GO SEE THIS MOVIE. It is BORING, REDUNDANT, and worst of all STUPID. After seeing this George Lucas can do no wrong. Bring on Episode 3, Jar-Jar and all.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Read what James Lileks says about Harry's Matrix review:

    by God Shamgodd

    "Alas, he cannot write. He is a horrid stylist; he writes like someone mashing the keyboard with bratwursts; his politics have the sophistication of a preschool crayon drawing, and his self-confidence in his insights is matched only by his inability to see how fatuous his work often sounds. Mr. Knowles is often held up as an example of New Media, one of those outsiders who

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Alex Proyas should sue

    by TheDrunkenJedi

    Revolutions compounded my thoughts that the Watchowskis have been ripping off Alex Proyas' Dark City religiously. Anyone who has seen them both will be well aware of the similarities but what really takes the biscuit is **SPOILERS** they both climax with a duel between 'the one' and the representation of all that is wrong and constricting, in the air above a rain-soaked city. after which 'the one' makes reality the world that was lost and frees the souls previously trapped. Alex Proyas didn't need three movies to say the same thing, although Revolutions was by no means a bad film, its just it threw away its chances of true greatness with some REALLY cheesy moments and a opening third that needn't have been there. (OOHH!! They're jumpstarting a hovercraft - erm..great!!)

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Huh?

    by One-Man-Jihad

    Are you sure Alex Ross didn't send you a big ass crack rock? It was more of the same to me. Caring about the characters? Your right, that general guy strapped into to poor mans Battletech was very important....what was his name again? Likewise the "Rudy" type character that finally makes the play to open the door, didnt see that coming...If only he could have played by Jake Loyd. Down with the Oracle. PS: Capitalism is never a bad thing.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Thank God for Lileks

    by Spoons

    See, I read that drivel that Harry posted and was just left with my jaw dropped and my head in my hands at the idiotic pretension. Not Lileks. He actually waded through all that cr*p and mocked the life out of it. I don't envy Lileks for having to read this drek as closely as he obviously did. Read Lileks: http://www.lileks.com/bleats/index.html

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Matrix sequels=good; Harry's reviews=ridiculous

    by 'ole philosopher

    I have no idea what Harry's talking about...Neo as Bin Laden? What??? Does he really believe that shit? Anyway, enough about that. I saw the movie last night, and actually really liked it. It felt like just the right amount of philosophy and action, though the battle for Zion may have gone on a bit long, and Keanu still can

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 3:25 p.m. CST

    not going to believe..??

    by dengreg31

    umm..Harry loved a hollywood mainstream scifi/fantasy flick? Why on earth wouldn't I believe that?

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 3:34 p.m. CST

    WOW

    by SAVOIR_faire

    Some of you cats REALLY, REALLY need some fresh air. It's a movie. (Like another poster said...Remember, MOVIES? As in fun, make-believe? As in Ghost in the Shell, Akira?) It's also someone ELSE's story - NOT YOURS. Leave it alone, if you didn't enjoy it. Those of us who DID understand exactly what the Brothers W. intended, and we give them credit. DO UNTO OTHERS, man. You'll come to a point one day when you want others to respect something you've put time, energy, blood, sweat and tears into...You will want the respect that you're currently denying this story...

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 3:52 p.m. CST

    bin laden!!

    by fridgebuzz

    dude che guevarra fighting against castro would have been a waaaay better example to use...eff bin laden and the rest of his gay crew!!

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Fate vs. Choice!!!

    by 'ole philosopher

    A few more thoughts: It's interesting that Morpheus spends these movies as such a strong believer in fate, and believes Neo to be the ultimate representation of it. And yet at the end, Neo is victorious because he understands that his power lies not in fate or destiny, but CHOICE. That is what separates him from all the other "Ones" that have come before him. He uniquely understands the power of choice, and the problem it poses for Smith, The Architect and The Matrix in general. Interesting bit of irony, that. Meanwhile, Smith, the bad guy, is more obsessed with fate than Morpheus. He is driven by purpose, by the destiny he perceives for himself as Neo's destruction. The fact that there are so many of him, and the fact that he replicates like a virus (an interesting turnaround for him after his "the human race is a virus, and we are the cure" speech in the original movie), brings up interesting issues of identity, and how the existence of fate makes individual identity essentially impossible.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 4:05 p.m. CST

    matrix revolutions Bin Laden?

    by evilded

    Ok, I am not one to complain about other peoples views and opinions because we live in a society where anything goes and for the most I wouldnt have it any other way. So I am not going to complain. Instead I am going to give my view on Harry's Osama/Revolutions analogy. I am a huge fan of Harry and this site and will continue to be. Its the first site I check when I get on and the last before I log off. I find more times than not that I am much like harry and the crew regaurding fanboy stuff. It seems though that harry has made an analogy about a little movie called Matrix Revolutions that is well lets just say offensive and assanine. In the review he compares the machines to America and Neo to Osama Bin Laden. What the fuck is that. First off, The machines do want structure like america does but the big difference you failled to see is that America gives you the right to choose whether or not you will follow that structure. Unlike the machines matrix, Your mind is free to make choices of religion and love, you can come and go as you wish and even leave all together. With the notion of Neo being Osama and the rebels fighting the machine world, come on harry what are ya thinking? The machines are seeking out Neo and all humans for one purpose. To make them part of the matrix or dead. Tell me harry, what does that really sound like? Osama wants everything to be as his religion commands. And he believes... "do it or die", so much so that he killed over 3000 men women and children to get that message accross. Sounds more like the thousands of sentinals coming to rip you limb to limb to me.

  • Great review of Harry's review: http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/03/1103/110703.html

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Can you answer these questions???

    by 'ole philosopher

    The biggest problem for the series lies in the narrative's lack of interest in all the people still enslaved by The Matrix. They are kept alive in a dreamstate, solely existing to supply the fuel of the machines: <i>human babies</i>. At the trilogy's end, the freed humans of Zion and the machines of the surface world are no longer at war. But 99.9% of the human population remains in their horrible situation, right? How could they not account for this--or even make mention of it--anywhere in the story's conclusion? Does the new peace take this into account somehow? Will the people of Zion no longer try to free the minds of the enslaved, allowing them to go on producing human chattle for the machines? Is that really a satisfactory result of the war? Perhaps there is some kind of bargain struck, whereby some percentage of humans are left behind to power the machines, and the rest are given over to Zion? Or perhaps the machines find a different fuel source, and all humanity is now free to live underground in Zion...or by CHOICE, return to the Matrix? And lastly, what were all those folks living in The Matrix supposed to make of the world created by Agent Smith? Did The Architect wave some magic wand to make them all forget the very strange things that happened to their reality, that omnipresent guy in the Blues Brothers suit, the flying people and all the rest? Did they not notice?

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 8:40 p.m. CST

    As long as you have no expectations and don't think about it too

    by HardcoreRocker

    ...it's really not terrible. Think of it as The Core, but with a bigger budget and higher quality. And Hugo Weaving = God. Review at www.rockithardcore.com.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 8:45 p.m. CST

    there is no mother f#*@&ing spoon

    by Harrierthanthee

    There are very few things in any genre that are badass. This, along with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, is badass. And for those of you who have played the videogame, the Trainman was cool wasn't he.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 9:04 p.m. CST

    MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

    by tango fett

    Agent Smith says that. And that's what I said to all my friends who haven't seen this movie yet. Was it better than the first two? Yup. Is it the best movie EVER?! I'll leave that to you, but's it's certainly the best to me. It's indescribably good. So you Matrix bashers. This movie kicks so much testicle that it dosen't hurt(?)! I'll stop there. Cheers. P.S. I think I spelled indescribably wrong.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 9:12 p.m. CST

    I'll endorse the review of harry's review

    by devil0509

    That was a damned funny job of picking apart Harry's intellectual dwarfism.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Talkback fucked up beyond all recognition

    by Dolmes

    I'm really proud of myself, this is one of the funniest thing I've ever seen and it was my fault! It really is funny, sorry, but it's ridiculous the things that float your funny bone.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Better than part 2

    by Subversive01057

    But that's not saying much. What they should have done is clip out all of the dialogue and add a psychedelic rock soundtrack.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the negative reviews!

    by Roger49er

    I just want to thank the braindead fodder for their negative reviews of Revolutions. Because of you I went to the theater with low expectations and as the movie unfolded I saw you all for the shortsighted immature WWF fans you must be. You really expected the "perfect ending"? All the loose threads to neatly tied...the T's crossed and the I's dotted????? What a bunch of shortsighted losers! Revolutions was another GREAT story. There are any number of tracks that could have been taken but they had to settle on ONE. The ending that was finally done was VERY acceptable and enjoyable! And there is one V-E-R-Y OBVIOUS fact that screamed at me as I left the theater......the door was left open for another sequal!!!!!!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Matrix: Ripoff

    by yojimbo415

    I liked the Matrix sequels, so I'm not just jumping on the negative review band wagon. My complaint is this - the story(Reloaded and Revolution) didn't really warrant two movies six months apart. It really feels like Hollywood just wanted to double dip with the Matrix sequels. Back to the Future II and III, which were also shot back to back and released six months apart, had two distinct stories as well as common plot lines. But "Revolutions" consisted of only three basic scenes streched out over two hours - the rescue of Neo, the battle to save Zion and the showdown with Agent Smith. While it resolved most of the plot lines of "Reloaded", that is all it did. No new plot elements or even a significant twist. It was essentially just the third act of "Reloaded" and didn't really need a whole separate movie. It was just an opportunity for Hollywood to make more money on both the theatrical release and the inevitable deluxe DVD box set. I hope this will be the end, rather than a begining, of a trend for Hollywood sequels.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Why Zion is not real...

    by The DoublePoster

    About Neo's blindness... In the first movie he can see while in the Matrix, but when he leaves the Matrix into Zion, his eyes won't open initially because they hurt. Morpheus says, "because you've never used them." Morpheus suggests that while in the Matrix, Neo has been blind. Later, in Revolutions, he is blinded in the world of Zion, but can still see in the Matrix. This juxtaposition with the first movie suggests that perhaps Zion is the constructed world, or that both worlds are not real. I know that the movie leaves more obvious clues (which I believe is purposeful misdirection) suggesting the reality of Zion, but you have to work through the subtleties. Allow me to continue. First the color scheme of the movie. As we all know, blue represents fake while red is real (this is borrowed by the W bros from Alice in Wonderland). In the first movie, they don't even use these colors (except for the pills) because the audience is not meant to know what is or is not real. As we see the next 2 movies, more is understood. Neo wears blue while in Zion, as does Trinity and Bane, whereas Morpheus wears red. This is not because Morpheus is the captain because other captains wear blue and other non-captains wear red. When he makes the big cave speech in Reloaded, he is in bright red while the elder councilman who introduces him is in blue. This same councilman speaks to Neo when neither of them can sleep (note that this is right after Morpheus says "Goodnight Zion", and that Neo is never really sleeping in any of the movies) and leads him to the basement where there are only machines and they feel more comfortable. In Revolutions, the color logic continues, look for it. When Trinity breaks through the literal/figurative clouds of her world, she sees the bright BLUE sky above her. Right after this symbolic recognition of the limits of her world, she dies and knows that Neo cannot bring her back this time, because she no longer has a purpose. Zion not being real can account for the fact that Trinity and Neo are programs, that they die once they've served their purpose, that Neo retains his powers in Zion, that Zion could have been rebuilt 5 times already at the center of the Earth, that Smith can port over as Bane, that the train system can shuttle between worlds, etc etc. Also, note that Morpheus's last line is "Is this real?". Significant... That Zion is not real doesn't necessarily mean there is a world higher than it. This explains the phrase "perception defines reality". Both of the worlds are constructs, created by the perceptions of its members. When one doesn't accept the world they are in, they shuttle back to the other (ie. Cypher back to the Matrix, Morpheus to Zion). At the end, though, Morpheus doesn't accept Zion either, so where this goes is left to the audience. The W bros have made the movie with an ending meant to fool some into thinking a certain way (that Zion is real, or that the movie is Christian rather than a Christian in Buddhist's clothing), but they allow for reflection of it that will take many viewings. Tell me if I should stop these rants people, but I have more.

  • Nov. 7, 2003, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Re: Can you answer these questions???

    by Roger49er

    I think you missed part of the conversation between the Oracle and the Architect. She asked hime "What about the ones who want out?"...and the Architect replied "They will be freed." > The biggest problem for the > series lies in the narrative's > lack of interest in all the > people still enslaved by The > Matrix. They are kept alive in > a dreamstate, solely existing > to supply the fuel of the > machines: <i>human babies</i>. > At the trilogy's end, the freed > humans of Zion and the machines > of the surface world are no > longer at war. But 99.9% of the > human population remains in > their horrible situation, > right? How could they not > account for this--or even make > mention of it--anywhere in the > story's conclusion? Does the > new peace take this into > account somehow? Will the > people of Zion no longer try to > free the minds of the enslaved, > allowing them to go on > producing human chattle for the > machines? Is that really a > satisfactory result of the war? > Perhaps there is some kind of > bargain struck, whereby some > percentage of humans are left > behind to power the machines, > and the rest are given over to > Zion? Or perhaps the machines > find a different fuel source, > and all humanity is now free to > live underground in Zion...or > by CHOICE, return to the > Matrix? And lastly, what were > all those folks living in The > Matrix supposed to make of the > world created by Agent Smith? > Did The Architect wave some > magic wand to make them all > forget the very strange things > that happened to their reality, > that omnipresent guy in the > Blues Brothers suit, the flying > people and all the rest? Did > they not notice?

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Know your audience

    by showmethemoney

    The problem with this movie is simple. Know your audience. That

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 3:05 a.m. CST

    George Lucas, The Wachowskis, and Paul Anderson; three peas in a

    by salienttexture

    Whatever happened to a good movie? I mean... the Matrix Revolutions? Episode 2? Everybody gets excited when a director'e vision makes it to the screen untouched, but... come on... The Matrix was a small, intimate movie which gracefully gleaned the best that anime had to offer. Reloaded was the bloated carcass of a beached whale, having choked to death upon bale after bale of tightly-bound c-notes: sure it's big, makes a splash now and then, but for the most part, it just sits there... and rots. And Revolutions? Imagine the most boring person you know; hopped up on amphetamines, wearing an armani suit, his arm around a supermodel... yeah, he looks good, but within a couple of minutes you are reminded that he's just Chad, that asshole who got sick off of Sangria and puked in that bucket of fried chicken you were saving in the fridge for the big game tomorrow... and his girlfriend? A pretentious bitch who uses big words to sound smart, but whose intellectual trump card in a philosophical conversation consists of nothing more than a blank stare, a roll of the eyes, and a boob flash. At least with Anderson, when -in a half-drunken stupor- you stumble across one of his flicks late at night on HBO, you watch and know its a complete and utter piece of fetid shit. Reloaded and Revolutions are dedicated to convincing you that they are serving up the finest duck pate alongside a glass of pristine bubbly when in reality both were milked from the dark and distasteful orifices of some unknown animal. Sadly, the idea and the execution are two very different things. Wachowskis? Fetch Anderson his coffee; two sugars, no cream. And Lucas? It's the Golf TDI in the back. Here's the keys. Good lord, I need a drink... time for some Jameson...

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 3:10 a.m. CST

    So What About The Ending?

    by Frylock

    Okay first let me just say that i love these films...the first one was a great film in its presentation of a startling idea....RELOADED was a great thinking film....and i did like REVOLUTIONS a lot....i get all the bullshit you could probably get including all the religious/political subtext...my ONLY QUESTION is: what about the ending? it seems to me a very neutral ending.....so do the machines resort to a human-less power source? the kind of existence the architect says they could accept in RELOADED if NEO walks through the door to save TRINITY and thus kill the human race (or so the architect claimed in that film).....i mean in the end of Revolutions the architect says he'll let go all that want to let go out of the matrix....so does that mean all of humanity or only some>? the machines could obviously destroy Zion at any time if they so choose...why would the machines release all humans when they still hold the power in their hands? this is a point i feel should have been more clear...i mean isn't that what NEO & co. have been fighting for all this time? the total freedom of all humanity>? since this question is not totally clear, let us assume that machines will continue being fueled by humans...if the beginnings of peace are where we are left at in the end, well that doesn't make sense...because peace never lasts....as long as there are humans in captivity to be fuel for machines there will be a group of humans fighting for their freedom....right? so in a big sense...doesn't the end of the saga take us right back to where we started out at the beginning in 1999? please explain this to me you wonderful movie nerds...

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 3:52 a.m. CST

    RE: SUPERMAN V WILL BE AWESOME!!!...

    by ronnyron2000

    Thanx Harry, we'll have 2 agree 2 disagree on the merits of REVOLUTIONS (good, but not great in my humble opinion), but damn man! U made me believe a man can fly, and will fly again real soon. Imagine if they had had today's SPFX back in SUPERMAN II with SUPES V ZOD... DROOL... "I have no concern about SUPERMAN topping that. Simply because, SUPERMAN has and always shall be cooler than NEO." AMEN 2 THAT BROTHER, AMEN 2 THAT. Ronny, GOLD COAST, AUSTRALIA.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 3:54 a.m. CST

    On the ending...

    by The DoublePoster

    The end of the movie combines Christianity and Buddhism. Neo, the sixth version on the "sixth day" of the Matrix dies and peace between the machines and humans exists on the "seventh day." This is the Day of Rest. On this day, Sati presides in the reborn Matrix. Her father in the movie is credited as "Rama Kandra", who is in Buddhism regarded as the seventh avatar of the god Vishnu, which drives home the point. But this day of rest is not final. Unlike a direct parable to Christianity, this 7-day week is always in a cycle of its own. The architect asks the Oracle how long is it [the peace] going to last. Eventually, the peace will be broken again, and the cycle will start from Day 1. This is why the movie ends with the sunrise (daylight being god's creation on Day 1). As for any people left in the Matrix, they are apparently free to leave now according to the architect.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 5:16 a.m. CST

    one and done

    by PKB

    I understand why so many of you are ranting about this movie. I was also let down by it. The W bros. simply took the story in the wrong direction. Tthey should have spent more time on the plot. The first movie is one of my all time favorites. The sequels dissapoint me for this reason: They did not even come close to what I imagined would happen after Neo took off flying at the end of The Matrix. The second film should have been about Neo & co. doing crazy shit inside the matrix, causing more and more people to wake up and join the human resistance. The third film should have been the ultimate battle between man and machine on 2 fronts, both inside and outside of the matrix. Instead we got a nonsensical wild goose chase with some cool moments and a few things to ponder, but for the most part 2 totally unfulfilling sequels.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 7:44 a.m. CST

    flying fight

    by sickboy_ukuk

    if it ever gets off the ground thay shoud use the same sfx team for a dragonball movie the flying fight just blew me away and all i could think about was goku and vageta going at it.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Oh, yeah!

    by Paul2

    I completely agree with Harry. Revolutions was AMAZING and BRILLIANT. All that matters to me is that I thought it was absolutely astounding and I'm glad that some people agree with me. Finacial success is, obviously, guaranteed but that's totally irrevelant anyway becasue it's the final instalment and, let's face it, that's it. They ain't makin' no more. I liked the biblical and other religous, historical, mythical etc. referenes. OK, SPOILERS AFTER THIS POINT. When Neo has sacrificed his life to save humanity, which represents Jesus Chrsit sacrificing his life on the crucifix to save humanity. The machines say: 'It is finished.' Which is also, according to some of the gospels, what Jesus said just before he died. Of course, neither Neo or Jesus were supposed to have died totally and will return. Afterall, the system is still running and thus the anomaly will reappear.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 9:51 a.m. CST

    "Revolutions" is more awful than anyone should be able to bear

    by ZakChase

    "The Matrix Revolutions" was unbelievably awful, and anyone who says otherwise has no concept of what constitutes a good movie. To sum it: "Revolutions" makes "The Phantom Menace" look like "The Empire Strikes Back." I kid not. For the record, I loved "The Matrix" and I thought "Reloaded," while not spectacular, had some good things going for it. "Revolutions" however is one big steamin' pile. Can anyone tell me why the Wachowski brothers thought it would be a good idea to put Neo in only half the movie? And then when he IS in it, he's a giant pussy!! Remember how charged you got at the end of "The Matrix" when Neo realizes that he's the one and proceeds to kick Agent Smith's ass? No such feelings here. Not even close. In fact, after you see the movie, ask yourself: What makes Neo the one? Why is he so special? After all, couldn't ANYONE with a Matrix jack in their neck and a little bit of guts have done what Neo did to defeat Agent Smith and save Zion? I was also one of the people who liked all of that mumbo jumbo from the Architect at the end of "Reloaded." Too bad it's promptly ignored in "Revolutions." Just a disgustingly awful movie. So much so ... that I needed to do this rant just to get it out of my system. Oh well. "Return of the King" will be out in a month, and all will be right with the world.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 10:25 a.m. CST

    ZakCheese ,it is YOU that does not know what constitutes a good

    by Rcamacho2278

    Fuck off asshole, your gonna be anal about a 10 dollar experience? then find another fucken hobby, cuz even the most diehard matrix basher has to admit that the movie has many good parts if you really LIKE film. if not, then go get an enema and stop being so fucken uptight.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 12:15 p.m. CST

    About the ending

    by Mr sonneti

    There was someone a couple of posts up talking about the ending asking what it means, as I understand it the humans in the matrix will be given a straight choice between the real world and the matrix, as opposed to the subconscious choice they had in the previous version (see the architect at the end of reloaded). The moral being, if u take the approach Harry did that the machines are the capitalists and the humans terrorist that there will never be a total victory the best either side can hope for is peace, tolerance and a right to choose how to live. The ending also asks us is being in the matrix so bad? and the answer must be that it depends on who you are, some people (like cypher) are happy to be lied to and live in comfort others like morpheus could not. In fact by seeking to destroy the matrix altogether the resistance were just as opposed to human freedom of choice as the machines (if u assume that given an honest choice 50% of people would rather live in the matrix than the real world, i suspect it might be more than this) One problem I have with this is that although the host bodies would certainly survive when smith took them over, surely they would have been killed afterwards when all the smiths died causing a loss of the entire "crop" but nevermind. As for the question of seraph I would guess he is a previous ONE (whose physical body has long since died and he is simply the remainder of his code after it returned to the source once he picked the wrong door) because of the folllowing points 1) when neo first sees him he looks weird not like another person or a program. 2)he can keep up with neo in a fight, admittedly smith can do this but only because he has part of neo's code imprinted on him. On the other hand he may not be because he is referred to as the prodigal son by the merivingian, implying he is an errant program but I think he is a previous one. I understand the people who were disappointed with the movie, i was initially but you can't criticise a film just because its not what you expected it to be. If you open your mind to it however it is a very smart film.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Revolutions

    by R0BTRAIN

    Revolutions is an interesting film to me. It made me want to like it at many points in the film. Upon the initial disappointment of 66% of the main characters dying, and my favorite character in the series reduced to a co-pilot, it still held alot of enjoyment for me. While watching the Zion battle I realized that I was entertained, but not nearly as emotionally involved as I should be. What's onscreen is amazing during the Zion battle (the swarm was very impressive), but structurally I thought it lacked the emotional weight it would have had if it had a main character there during the battle. The Wachowski Brothers want you to feel something there simply because it is Zion, but a major portion of the film relies on characters that I don't believe have had enough screen time during the triology to really care about them. Captain Mifune dying was bad, but I felt alot of compassion for him, simply because I thought it was cool he had Toshiro Mifune's last name. I kept thinking though, " Where the hell is Trinity and Neo?" And trinity is grossly underused in this film. She has all that passion at the beginning of the film to where she would die for Neo and when she does I had a hard time caring. I really wish they had given her something more. Also what the hell was up with the Merovingian and Persephone getting five minutes on screen? Monica Bellucci gets one line in the film? Why are these two even in the film? I really thought maybe they'd have some major scene or something but no. They have nothing more than a segway. Having Bellucci in this film and not using her more is criminal. On a purely base level you have one of the most beautiful women in the world and you delegate her to simply sit there while this Bond villian wannabe rants and raves. And the fight in the night club, while starting off cool (Seraph's reveal is a really cool shot), kinda gets goofy with those guys on the cieling. Trinity and the gang have fought agents, and those creepy twins, after that these guys who can stand on the ceiling are not very menacing. Also while I like the guy who plays Seraph, I keep thinking how kickass it would have been to have Jet Li in this role as it was originally supposed to be. On the other hand I do think the film has major merits. I think this film is vastly superior to Reloaded in so many ways. Reloaded is kinda fun the first time you watch it, but repeat viewings reveal that the film is all style and no substance. Special effect have run amok in the Reloaded universe. As soon as Neo grabs the pole in the "Burly Brawl" he's not even there any more. He's a cartoon. It totally takes me out of the film. And the rest of the action scene just seem like excercise instead of having real consequences. Revolutions is devoid of that. The action scenes bring real immediacy because you don't know whether characters will die or not. The Smith scenes I thought were fantastic. Hugo Weaving is such a great villain in this series. The scene where he's talking to Seraph and the little girl is so fucking menacing. The Smith/Neo also, while I do think we have to wait too long to actuall get to it, is awesome. Probably the best choreography in the whole series is used in this scene and the lightning scene with Smith in the air is just great. Its just too bad. The problems i had with Reloaded really seemed resolved in this film, but at the same time there are some major structual problems. You can see that the Wachowskis wanted to elevate the Matrix triology to the level of other great sci-fi/fantasy adventure series. i just don't think they really have a hold of the ideas they have. Spectacle-wise it may almost equal that Star Wars/ Lord of the Rings/ Indy level, but I just don't think it holds up. Its ends up closer to Mad Max/Terminator/ Aliens territory. And those are all films that I love, but not the films that have made a real impact in my life.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Very cool movie

    by Caerdwyn

    Not that anyone is going to read this, but... I liked Revolutions. I also enjoyed Reloaded, but purely for its special effects and the car chase. The rest of that movie just didn't grab me. But Revolutions... that's a horse of a different color. I cared about the characters more, I cringed and winced and even cheered a bit, as did the small audience around me - something that did not happen in Reloaded (and the theatre there was PACKED). There's still some silliness going around, but overall the performances are better and everything draws you in nicely. Go see it. If you're still wary, go catch a matinee (if they're cheaper in your parts). It won't be a waste of the discount price, I promise.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 1:15 p.m. CST

    I understand everything except one thing...

    by HardcoreRocker

    I understand the religious and mythological references (although Jesus's last words were not "It is finished," as somebody tried to say up there), but Harry's thing about capitalism and terrorism is totally beyond me. It seems like Harry was writing a decent review and then let Radio finish writing it for him. Shit, I wrote a review without including any of these deep parallels that some of you saw. ESPECIALLY I didn't include the capitalism/ communism thing. The stupidity of that didn't strike me until just now. www.rockithardcore.com

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 1:19 p.m. CST

    DBZ

    by shinta

    First the MOVIE ROCKED. I agree with the previous user Dragon ball z with the Smith NEO fight look would be TOTALY AWSOME.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Bin Laden Comparisons

    by Mr sonneti

    You People going spazz over the comparison between Neo and Bin Laden make me laugh you've completely missed the point. How many innocent people do the resistance kill in the three films? All those security guards, all those policeman killed in a war they couldn't possibly understand for just doin their jobs. Consider this, what do you think happened when neo and trin set off that bomb in the government building? A lot of people in a normal day at work killed happily working away,sound familiar? or when the helicopter hits the other building? or during the freeway chase how many cars crashed? the resistance thought this was fair because they were blindly trying to reach an ideal which not everybody wanted, not everyone was like them. By contrast the machines only killed people who were posing a threat to the stability of their way of life. Secondly what good does neo do in the first two films? all that death and destruction all those powers, what does it do? Fuck all he gets no further a) to defeating the machines b) to freeing his people.All he gains is knowledge and that knowledge says by the end of reloaded"this ain't working" When does he make a difference? When he gives up and asks for peace he realises that (as harry said) only the terrorists can end the war, thats real heroism. Everything else neo does is a waste of time, just making himself big as the merovingian says "using all the muscles except the one that matters" But hey you're all gonna ignore me but at least I tried.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Neo-Jesus

    by Mr sonneti

    Also as for the jesus comaprisons if you are familiar with the bible (14 years of religious education, im catholic) you will find that jesus' people expected him to be a military leader and use the powers he had to perform miracles to destroy the roman armies. Judas iscariot comes from the word iscari which means dagger man he was definitely involved in some sort of military resistance against the Romans. Again I think how this relates 2 the matrix shud b obvious every1 thought Neo would clap his hands and kill all of the machines but that was not his purpose and the oracle (like the prophets in the bible) was badly misinterpreted .So maybe bin laden is not a direct comparison for neo but certainly some sort of terrorist.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 1:51 p.m. CST

    of course Neo is Christ

    by SAVOIR_faire

    ...And if you'e going to pick a 'Saviour-type' you can't go wrong with the Son of God metaphor....It makes it clear why the Architect had to try to trick him in Reloaded....The Arch was playing the 'Satan in the wilderness' role...trying to discourage the Savior from carrying out his mission. - Basically, I think the trilogy works well, because it IS the New Testament retold...and it's a proven template...The voice in the wilderness predicts the arrival of the one, (John the Baptist/Morpheus)...The one is reluctant, but then embraces his destiny...etc etc...Those who are soooooo thoroughly disappointed with Matrix obviously wanted it to be Alien or Independence Day. Sorry folks, this trilogy was for people who understand metaphor...and for people who understand suspension of disbelief....and for non-hypocrites.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 2:42 p.m. CST

    indeed jackasswhoisaw

    by 81666

    so, kill bill is just one movie too. and this makes any difference....??

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 2:45 p.m. CST

    I hope Harry wasn't serious. Revolutions made baby Jesus Cry.

    by Devolution

    The Matrix: Retarded Lemme get this straight

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 3:59 p.m. CST

    My thoughts on Matrix: Revolutions, Part 2

    by Uncle Sam

    Just saw it for the second time. Definitively not a masterpiece, but still a pretty damn good movie. The end was a little too sugary, simplistic and abrupt for my taste, but then again, all that has a beginning must have an end. An epilogue would've been nice, though. Will it become an addition to my all-time favorite movies list? Sure, but at the last position. Best. CGI. Ever. Seriously, some of those visual effects were so beautiful that I almost cried. Agent Smith is now officially the greatest film villain in the history of cinema. And Neo was actually worth a shit this time. That ultimate sacrifice at the end made perfect sense. The people of Zion should build a fuckin' monument in his honor, I mean, Jesus, the guy actually convinced the "Wizard of Oz" and all of his Sentinels to adopt a "live and let live" philosophy towards the human resistance! Anyway, I personally give Revolutions 4.5 stars, and I hope that they make a Matrix PREQUEL eventually. Uncle Sam out.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 3:59 p.m. CST

    My thoughts on Matrix: Revolutions, Part 2

    by Uncle Sam

    Just saw it for the second time. Definitively not a masterpiece, but still a pretty damn good movie. The end was a little too sugary, simplistic and abrupt for my taste, but then again, all that has a beginning must have an end. An epilogue would've been nice, though. Will it become an addition to my all-time favorite movies list? Sure, but at the last position. Best. CGI. Ever. Seriously, some of those visual effects were so beautiful that I almost cried. Agent Smith is now officially the greatest film villain in the history of cinema. And Neo was actually worth a shit this time. That ultimate sacrifice at the end made perfect sense. The people of Zion should build a fuckin' monument in his honor, I mean, Jesus, the guy actually convinced the "Wizard of Oz" and all of his Sentinels to adopt a "live and let live" philosophy towards the human resistance! Anyway, I personally give Revolutions 4.5 stars, and I hope that they make a Matrix PREQUEL eventually. Uncle Sam out.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 4:10 p.m. CST

    This Talkback is fucking ruined

    by BuggerOff

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Harry sop talking about the shitty movies your gonna make

    by bronson81

    Harry you are retarted. Did you even see the fuckin movie over your huge gut. The climactic fight was anything but climactic. The zion battle was terrible with every soldier doing there best rambo grunt impression. And it takes trintity twenty minutes to die when she has fuckin poles stickin out of her body please. P.S. Harry we know that your a stupid ass and your so proud that your goona make your asspile of amovie but dont talk about them during your reviews no one cares just give us the fuckin review and shut the fuck up you readhead chode wrangler! Im out

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Matrix - 2 hours of my life that I'll never get back

    by choad96

    This movie was almost unspeakably bad. Thank God for the very cool special effects, because every time any character opened their mouth and spouted out the inane, cheesy drek that posed as dialogue, I felt like walking out. You know its not a good movie when a main character dies and your theatre is laughing hysterically at how bad the scene is. (My thoughts were more along the lines of DIE ALREADY AND SHUT UP!!!) My date pronounced it the worst movie she had ever seen in a movie theatre. I'm alot more sympathetic to the Matrix story, but I walked out of the film angry at how bad it was. Even with Phantom Menace, it took a day or two for it to sink in before I realized how bad it was. This was godawful immediately.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 5:35 p.m. CST

    The Matrix: Convolutions

    by Raines247

    After seeing the Matrix Revolutions last night, and thinking over and over about it, I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that it is by far the biggest failure in franchise cinematic history. If this film were not part of a series, not inundated with special effects, and seen for its content alone it would not only be dismissed as a bad piece of cinema, it would not have been made period. What has happened to Larry and Andy? Some of the best films have come from first time writer/directors. Granted Larry and Andy had Bound under their belt before the first Matrix, but they had little clout in hollywood. Back to my point about first time writer/directors, those films (ie Matrix 1, Sixth Sense) are excellent because they have to be. If they were not the studios would not buy the screenplay let alone give the reigns to relatively unexpierenced directors. Larry and Andy had to make The Matrix more than just eye candy to sell it, and they did. They worked hard on building the characters, the story, the themes, and most importantly they made it coherent. With Reloaded and Revolutions they didn't have to sell the screenplay, they didnt have to get entire approval, they were left to their own devices. They decided to make 2 movies instead of continuing the story. Anyone who believes that they had this story in their heads all along is delusional. The Matrix was it, Reloaded and Revolutions were cash cows. This has brought me to the conclusion that either Larry and Andy decided not to give a shit about story and put as many cool things in the movie that they could, or The Matrix was a fluke in their creative minds and they just got lucky. Either way I can not see their careers take off from here. Revolutions was filled with the most pointless and irrelevent scenes/events that I have ever seen. Everything in s movie is supposed to contribute to the STORY not the PLOT. But all we get is a mindless plot. Lets start and the begining. When we left in Reloaded Neo he was in a coma. We find he is in the Train Station a place between the matrix and the real world (without being jacked in) where programs marked for deletion are smuggled in and out of the Matrix. So why is Neo there? How did he get there? Did some one put him there? Did he put himself there? We don't and never know. He meets a little Indian girl program whose parents are smuggling her in. Neo learns that programs can "love" too. Well la-de-frickin-da. I guess this is an attempt to show that machines and humans are kind of the same! But excuse me why do we give a shit if programs can love. Humans are NOT the one's enslaving machines at this point, so why should we care if they have feelings too? The Train Man comes to pick up the little girl, and doesn't allow Neo to ride the train. He beats the crap out of Neo saying "I built this place I make the rules here" and Neo relents. What the heck? Neo is the "one". He can hack the Matrix created by the Arcitect but he can't hack a second rate environment created by a program called the Train Man? Whatever. So basically Neo is sits on his ass and waits. Mewhile back in the real world -dadadadaaadadadadaaa- Trin, Morph and the gang figure out Neo is still in the Matrix sans the plug. They go to see the oriacle in her new "shell". I know the actress died and I heard there is an explaination in the video game, but fuck, not everyone is gonna play the game. A game is supposed to supliment a movie, not give vital information that leave the movie otherwise stupid. She tells them where Neo is and that the Train Man works for the French man (screw spelling his name). So Morph Trin and the Taiwanese program go to Frenchie's S and M club. Which is basically a revisitation of the Zion party scene except this time there is leather, techno and nipple pinching. Larry and Andy must have been whacking to the dailies. After some cool guns scenes and gun play Morph and Trin and Serif speak with Frenchie. They try to bargan for Neo. Frenchie wants the eyes of the Oriacle, which "can only be given" Wow that sounded important, like it would matter later "only be given". BUT IT IS MEANINGLESS. Instead Trin kicks the guy holding a gun on her so slow that the guy could have put 4 bullets in her and one in Morph, gains control of the situation and hold Frenchie at gun point. So Frenchie obviouly gives up, because the next scene is a reuniting of Trin and Neo in the train station. Then magically Neo is UNPLUGGED back into the real world. He wasn't even plugged in in the first place!!!!! Goddamnit remain consistant! Christ I could go scene for scene with the shit, but I guess I will point out the low lights. Ok agent Smith possessing the guy in the real world... Why? Anyone? What is the purpose? He's just trying to kill Neo, thats it it adds nothing. It was like Andy said to Larry, "Hey then Smith could come into the real world!" then Larry was like " Cool!" and that was it. The human Smith does burn out Neo's eyes, but for the love of god why!!!! But don't worry even though Neo should be blind in the real world he can still see! In orangey fire. BUT FOR CHRISTS SAKE WHY? That just negates the point of making somone blind in a story! He is in the real world why does he have these seeing powers? We dont know and it is not explained. And another thing. In Reloaded Neo did that electro shock thingie to about 3 sentinels and went comatose. In Revolutions he blows up thousands upon thousands of those bombs until "there are too many" for him to handle. Whatever. So they go skyward because those bombs cant be fired up, and see the sun. Wow the real sun... notice the sarcasm. I forgot to mention the time between Neo losing his eyes and his journey to the machine city is at least a HALF HOUR of screentime without him in Zion. The Zion battle while looking great is so dumb I wanted to cry. First off I love how Links wife can traverse the heighth and width of the Dock in less than a minute to be in the right place at the right time. The Battle Machines that everyone says is like the loader in Aliens is not... its fucking Exo-Squad. Like five minutes into the battle someone asks Lock how many Machines they have left and he says 13. They started with hundreds! And yet these final 13 last twenty minutes longers with mounting numbers of squiddies penetrating the Dock. We see beautiful shots of the Squiddies floating and circling in unison, instead of taking out the fucking humans in 2 seconds like tey could have. And yes the green kid becomes a hero in the most stereotypical display I have ever seen. I didnt need to see this movie because I knew everything that was going to happen before it did. The Smith and Neo showdown was once again awesome looking, but laughable. Its another typical Matrix meaningless fight. Like the burly brawl, like Neo v. Serif. The fighting leads to nothing. It left me with no emotional reation. Never did I feel Neo or Smith were in any danger. There is no climax, no defeat. Neo allows himself to be copied into a Smith, then the Machine in the real world zaps and kills him. So I guess whichever Smith is most powerful controls the fate of the rest so all the other Smiths blow up. Yay... This movie was so Anti-Climatic it made me sick. The final scene, not only of the movie but of the trilogy. What could it be? A triumphant return of the Hero's body to Zion where he is mourned and revered for bringing peace to the world?. NOPE, its the new shell oriacle, Taiwaneseee, and the purposeless Indian girl in a park. The Architect walks up and gives his blah blah, humans will be freed and gives quite possibly the worst line of the decade "I'm not human" when asked if he will keep his word... sheesh my coke went flying. Who do we blame? I blame Lord Joel Silver who should have had the sense to stop this train wreck and switch the motherfucking track. But they were all blinded buy the sucess of the first and a delerium that prevented anyone from saying... maybe this sucks. I believe Larry and Andy's career is over as directors. If they ever try to continue the Matrix, someone should put a price on their head.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 5:59 p.m. CST

    whatever you do, make sure you don't

    by Silver Shamrock

    think of the Rasin Bran box when you see the sun at the end. The Wack Brothers gave you Two Scoops of Bullshit!

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 7:12 p.m. CST

    raines247 is right

    by showmethemoney

    About 90% of your critique is right on. And even the 10% that there were explanations for (Neo can kill more "Squiddies" now because the Oracle says he "wasn't ready" before) were extremely lame. This mainly comes down to sloppy screenwriting. This is the most important point you make: "those films (ie Matrix 1, Sixth Sense) are excellent because they have to be. If they were not the studios would not buy the screenplay let alone give the reigns to relatively unexpierenced directors. Larry and Andy had to make The Matrix more than just eye candy to sell it, and they did. They worked hard on building the characters, the story, the themes, and most importantly they made it coherent. With Reloaded and Revolutions they didn't have to sell the screenplay, they didnt have to get entire approval, they were left to their own devices." Good screenwriting takes lots of time and lots of second-guessing. The W Brothers didn't have time and since they were hailed as God by every person who's ever seen a movie there probably wasn't a lot of second-guessing. I heard that the first Matrix screenplay was honed over eight years. When I heard they'd only have a year or two to write two more movies I knew they were in trouble. By far one of the most blatant screenplay miscues is the Train Man kicking Neo's ass. I don't fucking care if the guy "built this place." Here was a screenwriting decision where it was like "okay, we need a way to get this family onto this train while keeping Neo off." 'Uh... well... he built this place... uh... he's God here!' 'Sounds good to me. Put it in.' 'Already did'.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Matrix contusions

    by forevertj

    This is the worst ending to any movie trilogy of all time. every character you want to die lives every one you want to live ,dies. Agent smith is human and program, not pissible. They could have simply stated at the begining of the film the oracle is being played by a different person BECAUSE the orignal person died. there was no "smooth transition" as some lunatics have said. there is nothing smooth about saying "duh you have changed duh". It is absurd. No one lauged as some idiot implied when trinity died because it was portayed badly or whatever the hell the moron said. NO ONE laughed in the packed theater I was in. around 200 people, not a single laugh. It was not funny to see a character you could love, die. Nor was it funny to see Neo's eyes gouged out, nor was it funny to see absolutely nothing resolved. No one won the war, the machines simply withdrew I guess out of gratitude to Neo for taking care of smith. The architect is shown talking to the oracle in a park he says something along the lines of "what do you think I am, human?" if he is not human then he is a program. if he is a program he could not have created machinery and the matrix itself it takes a human to physically build something from nothing sure a robot can make things in manufactuerer line, but he implied he created it from scratch and this was the 6th version of the matrix, if that was true he'd have to be centuries old. This movie was full holes and even more full of shit, it sucked. You can make all kinds of pretty special effects, but that doesn't turn a pile of shit into gold. Matrix 3 SUCKS. period. The ending made no sense whatsoever, Trinity dying SUCKED, the wacocksvy brothers suck and I hope they are standing in line at a soup kitchen soon. If you like garbage , by all means go see this movie. If you don't like throwing your money down a rathole, stay away. Go watch reruns on cable, this movie is pure horseshit. Harry is fat dumb beffudled fool, and the glittering jewel of colossal ignorance. Of course he was paid off to write a positive review, not even that fat retard could be that stupid. Right?

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Don't we care that 99% of humanity is still enslaved?

    by Rex Racer

    Remember that? The machines are dependent on human bioenergy to function. That was one of the things I loved most about the first Matrix: it didn't matter who started the war. The humans wanted their freedom, and the machines couldn't afford to let them be free. Revolutions didn't even bother to mention this conundrum, let alone address it, which is why it sucked.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Lets call it what it is...

    by Frylock

    Okay...again i gotta say i loved the visuals of the trilogy and what it did/attempted to do....i can accept that the middle of the saga (RELOADED and most of REVOLUTIONS) is a mind-fuck when it comes to specifics and can be interpreted in nearly countless ways....i dig that a lot in fact....but to have the saga end on such an equally cryptic note is just lazy/sloppy filmmaking as far as i can tell.....especially for the folks that want to understand but can't due to the fact that they just haven't studied Eastern Religion, etc. I still say that the last scene between the Oracle and the Architect should have been a bit more telling on the idea whether the machines would continue using humans as fuel or whether they would restort to another power source in this new time of "peace" because as long as humans are in the matrix there will be factions of humans in the real world fighting for their freedom which would render any "peace" mute and would, in that case, render the entire MATRIX storyline pointless...wouldn't it???

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Hindu father in Train Station in 2nd Movie

    by cynicalman

    I just watched Reloaded this evening after seeing Revolutions this afternoon and noticed that it appears the Hindu father in the train station is in Reloaded. After Neo and the gang enter the club proper the camera zooms in on Neo looking to our right. Then the camera cuts to Neos' perspective and you see a man being led away to the left. It appears to be the Hindu father. It may not be significant but it is interesting nontheless. Sorry if this was posted already. Too many to wade through. By the way I though Revolutions was an ok popcorn movie. The CGI was not as bad as in Reloaded but the fight with Smith at the end sucked big time. The train station scenes and the attack on Zion were worth the 6 bucks.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Does it surprise anyone that Harry thinks Bin Laden is a hero?

    by SexyBeast

    Hero is so far left, even Roger Moore is scared. Seriously how on earth do you get that Bin Laden is Neo? Just for the record, Bin Laden is a conservative. Harry should hate him just because of that, thats not even taking into account all the murderous and psychopathic inclinations.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 9:21 p.m. CST

    That Christ Analogy

    by George Newman

    It worked for the first movie but it was thrown out the window with the last two. Jesus would not have made peace with the machines. He would have converted the robots one by one. Then those robots that were acceptiong of the message would go to heaven. If you want to see this dream become a reality (for those that haven't got it yet) watch the ANIMATRIX.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Just saw Matrix 3; it isn't THAT bad. Not all that great, eithe

    by JohnnyTremaine

    All in all REVOLUTIONS was only a mildly entertaining popcorn flick with some fantastic CGI effects and great visuals. It kind of reminded of INDEPENDENCE DAY---good goofy entertainment without a brain in its pretty head, and instantly forgettable upon exiting the theater. The TROY and DAY AFTER TOMORROW previews were fantastic.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 10:34 p.m. CST

    this movie suckd so bad

    by lourdon

    Horrible acting, slow and monotonous fights, the worse lines and cliches ever, stupid religious connections. You can't even relate to the characters from the horrible acting and cheesy lines, i didn't even care when they died. Hell they could've all blown up and i'd been happy if it made the movie end faster.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Well well well

    by publicusrex

    So it ends. The story of a rather Daoist film that is (mis?)interperated as something else. And what a way to go out? I haven't seen this cool a finale since Army of Darkness. I think that subliminally "Revolutions" is meant to be AoDish, and it certainly did make me laugh, a lot. But, it is ok for film I was expecting to suck. The one thing that would have moved this film from ok to really good would be if Neo grabbed Agent Smith and drove his hand into his (Neo's) chest. Oh and if they rolled for initiative and fought in true D&D fashion. Sweet or what? Publicus, Rex

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 11:03 p.m. CST

    People who enjoyed this have no taste...

    by Mattress Man

    I saw a statistic about the ratings of this film. Most 19-25 year olds gave it a 6.9/10. More than I would give it (3.5/10). And all kids from 1-12 gave it a 10/10. If you loved this film. You're about as mature as a twelve year old, because twelve year olds are extremely attracted to stupid fight scenes and meaningless cinema, rather than a good, well-written story. Harry says he'll roll his eyes if he reads 'Aliens' again, but the basic design of that machine is extremely similar to the Power Loader. The fight between Neo and Smith reminded me of a typical Dragon Ball Z fight. This movie churned my stomach with its cheesy, cliche dialog and meaningless scene after meaningless scene. I don't feel empathy for these characters at all. Why? Because they, too, are meaningless, and substanceless. Most of Rainer's comments made a lot of sense, go read it.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Just saw Revolutions and it's weak, weak, WEAK!

    by davesharp

    Like I said: weak, weak, WEAK! It looks like the Brothers Wachowski indeed filmed Reloaded and Revolutions back to back and put all the cool shit in Reloaded. And damn, wasn't the main title of this trilogy THE MATRIX? Where the F*** was the matrix in Revolutions? Neo and Co. were in there like twice. OK, I admit it, I'm an "in the matrix" fan, not an "outside the matrix" fan. In Reloaded, the Zion sequences went a little long for me, but I saw the need for balance. But you have to admit, everything "fresh" about the trilogy happens "in the matix." That's always been the appeal to these films. "Outside the matrix" we're in any old sci-fi movie we've all seen a thousand times. Pick a title, any title. Not to be a purist geek, though I guess that's why we're all here, but the final chapter has a few holes. One screaming for ridicule: Seems like the EMP technology could have been put to better use, like as a defensive perimeter around the city?!? Stupid mole people! Hopefully, after Warner Bros. has raped us of enough money in DVD sales, the Wachowskis will release a "Whoa!" edition that comes with all three movies and a blank DVD-RW so we can edit our own version. Finally, what was that ending about? Might the franchise continue? Joel Silver says "No," but it looks like the studio might have other plans.

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 11:26 p.m. CST

    this nerd cult scares me

    by EternalComicNerd

    MATRIX REVOLUTIONS WAS A DAMN GOOD MOVIE! if youd get your head out of you 'im too cool for every movie ever made' ASS and get a life, youd see revolutions was a pretty damn creative flick.. cudos to harry for being brave enough to say it

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 11:30 p.m. CST

    EXO

    by BillEmic

    Not to sound like *too* much of a loser but I'm rather excited that someone else correlated the Zion mech-suits to Exo Squad instead of Aliens, because that's *exactly* what I've been thinking ever since I saw them. And I completely agree with this film borrowing far too liberally from Dark City...the climax of Neo versus Smith plays out like a lifted mixture of the endings of Dark City and The Avenging Fist (a Hong Kong flick from Andrew Lau of Storm Riders fame).

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Hey MATRIXphiles! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    by :-o

    Ahhh...tee hee. Just another movie after all. You thought you had a decade (the 90s) and a movement (cyberpunk) to call your own. The bubble burst. In the wreckage we see the Wackowski fever dream for what it was: sugar, sugar, more sugar. Soul-patched arrogance. You thought you had the new futurism--in the end it was just more postmodern pop rocks. GET A VOICE YOU PATHETIC DOT COM RELICS! Whatever happened to that sock puppet anyway?

  • The aerial fight scenes were straight out of 'Journey To The West'(Xi You Ji) and it's badly animated and comic clone DragonBall. The Wachowski's should give props to these influences just as they did the 'Ghost in the Shell' stuff. Hell, the fight scene with the metal pole in the second film was total Monkey King styled action, with the Agent Smith's as a horde of demons attacking the hapless-yet-unbeatable super simian in the form of Neo.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 1:12 a.m. CST

    You can't call it all crap

    by George Newman

    How can you deny the awesome and hilarious mental showdown between Smith and the oracle? Why did the Oracle bake the cookies if she knew that Smith would throw them against the wall? It drives Smith insane and I loved that. "Cookies are made to be loved."

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 1:30 a.m. CST

    $#@#! widescreen

    by razor

    Dolmes, you ass.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 1:31 a.m. CST

    FOR ONCE, HARRY IS RIGHT!

    by microwavable?

    well, sorta. not a sci-fi classic (yet), but very cool. there WERE about 2 or 3 lines of dialogue that made me cringe HARD. the first was when The Kid gets the dock door open and says, "I BELIEVE in you, Neo!" or something. the second when Trinity is dying and she kind of repeats herself 3 or 4 times, "I had to say . . . I lived just to say . . . I'm glad I finally got to say . . . did I mention I get to say . . . I love you." and the big cringer for me was that damn indian girl - by far the worst child actor of the year to date. she just set the "innocence" dial up too high. and the ending with the sunset and the girl felt a bit hokey. kind of a copout. oh well, next trilogy please.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Harry = COOL

    by skaterdude

    Hey, I THOUGHT I would just CAP random WORDS like THIS like Harry DID. Isn't THIS so COOL?

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 2:31 a.m. CST

    The prophecy spoke of one who would...FIX the freaking Talkback

    by truthseekr1488

    In the meantime, we'll cut and paste the talkbacks into our Wordpad. It's all about choices, isn't it? The choices we make. Like wiping your ass with silk. MISter Anderson. Now get me my long black raincoat.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 3:21 a.m. CST

    SPOILER: FINAL SHOTS

    by 81666

    when neo is laying n his back in his christ like pose, after he has "passed on", the machines have dragged him to the open area, then it shows the same area but lit with the same bright light the way blind neo sees the machine. is this neo looking towards the sky, or is this us the viewer seeing that sequence but as light?? the movie is playing at my job, so i am just trying to figure that small part out. with it's flaws, i still think it was a great ending for the series, because it went the different route. - 81666

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Miscellaneous Ejaculations

    by truthseekr1488

    1. To those who say stuff like, "Stop taking it so SERIOUSLY, it's a sci-fi movie not a philosophy treatise, can't you guys ENJOY movies anymore?" -- Umm, unfortunately the overall suckiness of said movie tends to detract from the enjoyability factor. ......... 2. Anyone interested in great treatments of alternate reality in s/f framework MUST read the works of Philip K. Dick, the true master of this sort of theme who could take the W bros to school if he were still alive. Read "Ubik" for instance, about an aerosol spray that alters reality and a group of protagonists in suspended animation who experience weird stuff before they realize where their bodies are. Also read "The Unteleported Man" about a hallucinogenic drug that gives those who take it the same identical "reality," while those who don't take the drug each experience different realities (yeah, like anti-LSD). .... 3. I STILL think that Zion is just part of the Matrix, or should be. The way the flick should've worked out is, Neo discovers this secret at the end, but chooses not to share it with his comrades in Zion lest they lose heart, as he realizes that their belief in Zion and freedom is all they have to keep them going. .... 4. Smith should've thrown mind-games at Neo instead of kung-fu punches -- i.e. should've messed around with his "reality" like those big-brained aliens from the original Star Trek pilot, "The Cage" did to Capt. Pike ..... 5. Neo having superpowers "in real life" makes NO sense unless Zion is also part of the Matrix ..... 6. Keanu/Neo looked bored and more clueless than usual in Revolutions, more like the old Bill & Ted days -- I guess I was expecting a Maud'dib (God Emperor of Dune) / Jerry Cornelius (Eternal Champion) sort of character which Mr Anderson most certainly was not ...... 7. My candidate for worst line in the movie: Monica Belluci in the S&M club, referring to Trinity -- "She's in LOVE! She'll do ANYTHING!" Brings laffs every time. ..... 8. I'll watch The Animatrix again to remind me of the potential that the concept still has, and look forward to the graphic novel anthology.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Only The Human Mind Could Conceive Of Something As Insipid As Th

    by Psycho-Man

    I urge Harry and anyone who likes this film to read this review: http://slate.msn.com/id/2090943/. It is the best critique I have seen yet and it sums up this whole debacle quite nicely. Seriously, check it out. It's a lot like taking the red pill. Oh, and Superman would kick Neo's ass from this world to that. Easily.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 3:54 a.m. CST

    TRON

    by BraveSirRobin

    Everyone seems to be forgetting the fact that the Matrix is obviously just a remake of TRON anyway.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Miscellaneous Ejaculations: The Sequel (Neo's Excellent Adventur

    by truthseekr1488

    1. I thought the Indian guy with his wife and daughter in the Mobil Ave. train station had the most potential in the film, but I don't think it was fully exploited. Another tantalizing tidbit left by the wayside (though I liked when the little girl returned at the end and the Oracle complimented her on making a very pretty sunset!) ... 2. Something about that subway platform scene is reminding me of "Jacob's Ladder," a much more disturbing and better-executed alternate-reality flick ...... 3. As for humanity being freed from the machine capsules, obviously that wouldn't be feasible in a post-apocalyptic landscape where there's no way they could survive nor could Zion's few thousand residents help them -- and also, the machine really does have a right to exist; after all, humanity created it, gave it intelligence, why shouldn't it survive too? You can't just pull the plug. As we remember from the steak-eating scene in the original Matrix, most of humanity would probably _prefer_ virtual steak to "real" slop. Just like people prefer to live on the Net rather than have real relationships today. ..... 4. What is Reality? Ah, that question again! Obviously, it's whatever works and is self-consistent within its own framework. Is it all just matrices-within-matrices? Probably. But as in the case of the Fight for Zion, you gotta have something to believe in, even if it is virtual reality; and please don't tell anyone the real facts. A phony fight (like a phony steak) is better than despair or oblivion. I get the feeling Morpheus suspects the truth, and his "Prophet" persona is a desperate ruse to avoid having to face it. (Ever had one of those complicated dreams where you're trying to solve some puzzle or problem that seems really important, then you wake up and for a few minutes afterward you're STILL trying to solve it, even though you realize it was just a dream and isn't worth thinking about?)

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 5:42 a.m. CST

    So the fat fuck with big tits hates America now, huh?

    by fryfryfryfryfry

    You couldn't be the fat fucking piece of sloth shit you are if it weren't for America. You carry around your huge man tits from theatre to theatre and trash the country that makes it possible for you. You're fucking amazing. And please sweet God try to get through one review in your life without alluding to sex, masturbation, or you crying. We'd all cry if we were you, we'd all (have no choice but to) masturbate if we were you, and we're all equally fucking disgusted by the idea of you and the word 'sex' together.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 9:07 a.m. CST

    revolutions was great...when it wasn't spoiled by someone TRYING

    by billyhitchcock

    come on people. it was laughable. i've never heard an audience laugh AT a film before The Matrix Convolutions.

  • First, many of critics and talkbackers on the internet seem to have understood that Neo lost or was beaten by the bad guy, and more importantly that the rebels have lost their fight,considering the Matrix is still there at the end of the movie. So I guess you, FUCKTARDS, were one of those The thing about the One is not that the One is somekind of all-powerful god that can reshape the Matrix and free millions of slaves at will. NEO IS THE ONE BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE TO FULLFILL THE PROPHECY, and he does at the end. Neo being beaten/destoyed by Smith? Duh! Don't know where you saw that, or on what drugs you were when seeing the movie, but Neo just slams Smith the whole way trough hell. It's just that considering Smith has copied the Oracle's code, it makes him able to control the Matrix in some ways, but on the other hand, Neo is able to hack the Matrix's code,making him always more powerful, so it turns out both of those guys are invinsible and none is more powerful than the other. So in that case, what's the only way to destroy an invinsile program that's just as powerful as you are? You become him and you wait for the goddam Source to dismantle you (or to dismantle the Smith code that is in you). Get it? So just as it is said by the hindu guy at the beginning of the movie, agents have to face deletion by the Source when they are freed, for they represent a menace for the integrity of the Matrix. But some people or agents can escape from the Source, and they become freaks, powerful freaks, and that's exactly what happened to Smith. So the only way Smith (and his copies) could be dismantled is to bring him straight to the Source, in the real world! And what happened to Neo after that? Well it's not that obvious that he's dead. Probably he's just fallen unconscious just as he did at the end of Reloaded, and so the "Chevy Van" robot just brought him up back to Zion (a courtesy of the Source!). But even if he's dead, then he just died as a winner... sacrifying his life for a greater good. ------ So then how could the rebels have won and the prophecy been fulfilled if the Matrix and the machines are still there? Because the rebel's victory is about saving Zion definitely and (less importantly) freeing the all the slaves (or some of them) from the Matrix. So that's just the way things happen at the end: the robots are in peace with humans, they will no longer try to destroy Zion; and the Source (just as it is confirmed by the Architect) will let people be freed from the Matrix (and I guess they'll still be given the choice between the red pill and the blue pill). Is there an insurance that the Source will hold its promise? Do machines makes promises? NO! THE SOURCE WILL DO IT CAUSE IT'S A FREAKIN MACHINE THAT OBEYS ONLY TO LOGIC! Promises are for humans. That's the whole point of that last pleasant line from the Architect, the "what do you think I am, human?" thing. Only humans are able to dishonor an engagement, because they are not entirely rational, at times they follow their greed, so that's why they do promises. When a machine takes an engagement (read "command"), it will follow it with no questions. The only reason why the machines were on a war to extinct mankind is because mankind was cancer for them, while being their power sources. But Neo has shown the Source that a peaceful symbiosis between Man and Machine was possible, so the Source bought the whole thing, at the condition of eradicating that annoying virus called "Smith". End of the line. --------- I know, of course, the Matrix Revolutions is not the second coming of Jesus H. Christ. It would have been a masterpiece if it were'nt for the incredibly dull dialogue scenes (that "Thank you... thank you." line Neo says after Niobe tells that she believes in him was so ridiculous that everyone in the theater laughed out loud! I mean, what was THAT??? I want that crap removed on the DVD!!! And please shorten that awful Neo/Trinity dialogue when Trinity dies!), the way Neo is stupidly injured at the eyes (wich serve only the purpose of giving Neo this whole "sonar vision" thing, wich was irrelevant itself, after all), and for Reloaded, which looks like a totally useless movie now. At the end of the line it's a great sci-fi flick that saves the trilogy from sinking, while it's not really a trilogy, and the Wachowsky bros could have found classier ways to save it. *****This post was a courtesy of Robofag, the queer among robots.*****

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 2:18 p.m. CST

    My 2 word (SpinalTap) review of Revolutions: Shit Sandwich.

    by Ted Striker

    I loved the first, and even the second had great fight scenes with philosophical babble to chew on, but the last one was a long boring fight scene with characters I don't care about... where's the cool Matrix fighting? And why isn't everybody freed at the end? Stupid choices by the directors. Awful movie... in Simpsons babblespeak: Worst Episode Ever!

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 3:38 p.m. CST

    PHANTOM EDIT GUY!

    by showmethemoney

    Where is the Phantom Editor to save us??? Edit both of these movies into a single watchable movie. Please!

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I'll answer

    by SAVOIR_faire

    There HAVE been programs that have showed some semblance of emotion. THE ORACLE has been acting out of compassion the whole time! And once again, see the ANimatrix:Second Renaissance for even more examples of AI-emotion. Also, what's with the need to convince everyone that a movie is 'BAD' or 'IT BLEW' or any other adolescent bullshit like that, when 'I didn't enjoy it' would suffice. This is subjective stuff, kiddies. There's no right or wrong in film. There's only like or dislike. Opinions are, of course, like assholes...everyone having his own, and some being better maintained than others...Let it go, haters...and get out and make something of your creative spirit, instead of trashing the work of others...I'm sure Phillip K. Dick would be encouraging the Brothers, not ranting like some pimply-faced Iowa teenager...

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 4:55 p.m. CST

    matrix bites the biscuit

    by movie terriost

    please some one awnser me ive waited 5 years for the matrix reloaded and revlutions and when they finelly appeared there a complete pile of shit i cant beleave warner brothers let them make them!! why taint the first movie by making them the first matrix changed lives and perceptions about how movies are made and watched then the make and release the last two and they compleatly kill it these films could have become the holy trilogy dare i say it better then the starwars trilogy but now it stands for a joke a poor excuse for what could/should have been so great. like please tell me how can agent smith turn neo in to an agent when he tryed it before neo fucked him off and this time he let him do it why?? also what was that ending all about firstly the machines plug neo back in to the matrix but you saw dozer take out neos plugs in the first film so all of a sudden hes got them again that aint right!! then when neo "dies" you see the machines carry him off but hes still glowing so were are they taking him since hes there main threat to survival and how comes the machines accepted his offer of peace but rejected and kill 5 other "ones" and wiped out 5 other zions before so why grant him peace? maybe im thick but its just so fucking dumb the way this film finishs any way if any one has anything to say about my thoughts please e mail me at ben@bulbrook.fsbusiness.co.uk thanx!!

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Didn't like Matrix Reloaded

    by U1

    And here's why. If I want to listen to philosophical treaties I can go to a temple: christian, muslim, hindu, etc. It won't cost me $7. Wasn't the whole point to win? If you have a leaky fawcet do you duct tape it OR FIX IT. Put it to rest. SPOILERS. EMP devices only in ships? WHY not the access tubes? An EMP device in 'Machine World' would have done the trick, don't you think? Slow. This is what I thought of the 'battlebots'. Do you reaaalllly expect me to believe those things have a chance against those flying machines? Infantry. Good lord, they're joking, right? I'll hand mix some powder for the 'bazookas'. Last but not least. HUMAN BATTERIES. Aren't we egotistic!

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 5:53 p.m. CST

    the end (spoilers)

    by Tir Na Nog

    I just want to work this out for myself....All of the humans in the Matrix who were possessed by Agent Smith died when Smith died. That's what happens to coppertops inhabited by Agents when the Agent is exorcised (killed). Remember the corpse of the blue-eyed helicopter pilot in the first film. So after a worldwide slaughter that was necessary to purge Smith, the Matrix has restarted itself at the end of the film. In the last scene, we see only Programs inhabiting the Matrix. The machines will now have to wait for the next crop of humans to mature to infancy. Then, for a time, the Matrix will be inhabited solely by newborn babies. Meanwhile, "the others" Zion, will be allowed the freedom to exist. But what will happen to the members of that new crop of humans is unclear. That's too bad. I really wanted the series to be about freeing the coppertops, but it turns out it was only about ensuring the existence of Zion. If the end was meant to show some hope for coppertops, I think that should have been a little clearer.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Explanation of the Matrix

    by The DoublePoster

    Read this site I put up as an explanation to what happened and tell me what you think: http://skyline_10.tripod.com/index.html The basic conclusions are: The end of the movie is tragic not happy, Neo and Trinity are programs, everyone in the Matrix dies at the end, Neo is not the traditional Jesus (his predecessors are), Merovingian is the first One and Persephone is the first Trinity, the cycle of matrices is over, Zion is NOT REAL.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Explanation of the Matrix

    by The DoublePoster

    Read this site I put up as an explanation to what happened and tell me what you think: http://skyline_10.tripod.com/index.html The basic conclusions are: The end of the movie is tragic not happy, Neo and Trinity are programs, everyone in the Matrix dies at the end, Neo is not the traditional Jesus (his predecessors are), Merovingian is the first One and Persephone is the first Trinity, the cycle of matrices is over, Zion is NOT REAL.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 9:04 p.m. CST

    LIFE-CHANGING MOVIE

    by SAVOIR_faire

    If you expect any flick to change your life...I think that's rock-solid evidence that you need to get out and find a life. Meet a girl. Travel. Learn a language. Oh, and it wasn't about freeing the coppertops, it was about stopping a civil war that was not only destroying the life on both sides, but the planet itself. Think, people. The sun is blocked. The earth's core is being burrowed. The Earth wouldn't be able to take much more war before it became uninhabitable. What's so bad about a solution that advocates peace? Just like the hawks in D.C. - conclusion just HAS to be with the 'evildoers' killed, right? What if the evildoers are the human race?

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Bad Writing 101

    by reelgriff

    I think William Goldman called it either magical or comic book writing. Questions of how both Smith and Neo's consciousness were freed from their "body" were raised...but never answered. So many "twists" were introduced but not explained. It was just so much easier to throw in some imagery that would lick the likes of Harry's special spot than be bothered with coherence. I personally am going to pretend the second two movies never existed, and enjoy the Matrix as a stand-alone gem.

  • Graduate from high school before you start complaining, ha ha ha! I win you lose!

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Seriously, though....

    by E.C.

    Even for those haters that think they did "get it", there was absolutely no way this movie was going to be enjoyable to them. You had the bar set waaayyy too high, and no matter what, the way the trilogy was set up EVEN BACK TO THE FIRST MATRIX, there was no way all of humanity could be saved, all the machines destroyed, all the questions answered, all "logic" (as you all deem it) applied correctly in two more thoroughly enjoyable movies. No way in hell. You set YOURSELVES up to be disappointed. That is, if you even "got" the movies at all.

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 10:52 a.m. CST

    the matrix is more about relationships then politics

    by rcdad

    Harry, my first comments on your site has to do with your political interpretation of the Matrix (which I consider the perfect analogy for personal awareness). This is about the individual vs the masses. Personal awareness, personal choice, personal responsibility even in the face of growing cultural conformity. When it comes to the master of our own fate, we are all "the one" but we are also limited by the systems around us.

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 12:28 p.m. CST

    the matrix delvolutions...

    by nevada

    anyone seen the 1999 korean actioner called, "nowhere to hide"? look out the climatic fight in the rain - oh, how those wachowski brothers pay so-called homage...

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 12:29 p.m. CST

    EC -

    by SAVOIR_faire

    Right on, man. The bar people set is unattainable! And especially since none of the haters are capable of writing a screenplay...and if anyone thinks they are, please prove me wrong by getting your script sold. And have Harry post it here.

  • Rebels in OT Star Wars? Ooo, great argument. Comparing a huge, galatic rebel army already established and armed with thousands of ships and ready to make a strike against a visibly tyrannic Empire, to the enslavement of humanity where maybe 1% knows that reality is a sham, and that same 1% are fighting BILLIONS of killer robots with crappy ass ships whose only real effective weapons are EMPs. But ya know, maybe you're right. Maybe at the end of the first Matrix after a single ship is damn near destroyed by a handful of sentinels and it's implied that humanity is at a pretty sizeable disadvantage against the very well established infrastucture and numbers that the machines, maybe, just maybe they could have resolved everything in 2 additional movies. Both set dozens of years apart timeline-wise. Or maybe some deus ex machina super-EMP would do it, eh? Like I said, either you didn't get it or you set YOURSELF up to be disappointed.

  • If there's a group that's over-emotional, it's the haters who wanted this to be Star Wars set in a computer world that recaptured their youth, and had their dreams dashed 'cuz it didn't do exactly what they wanted. Boo fucking hoo. "Boundless imagination. Anything is possible. The Pen blah blah" Yeah, sure. It's called Deus Ex Machina, and it's the cause of lots of cheap, dumbass resolutions. Seems like you wouldn't have minded something as dumb as a super-EMP or Neo suddenly becoming completely omniscient. The scope of the whole thing was Man vs Machine, but the trilogy centered around Neo, Morpheus, Trinity, and the current state of Zion. The resolution is such that that FOCUS has been resolved, but the story is still going AND CAN STILL BE CONTINUED (since you're not bright to see that). And it's damned sad and ironic that your argument is basically that you shouldn't have to be smart to understand a movie. 'Cuz that's exactly what you said in the second post. As I said, you didn't get it or you just set yourself up to be disappointed.

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Rip-Offs

    by BillEmic

    I've never seen "Nowhere to Hide" but I've definitely heard of it...which leads me to believe that the Wachowski brothers have been coping more than many of us may have expected. It's already been recognized that the Zion Mech suits borrow liberally from both the Exo Squad cartoon series and James Cameron's Aliens...and the ending fight sequence of Neo versus Smith seems to be a mixture of the climaxes of "Nowehre to Hide" and the Hong Kong special effects actioner "The Avenging Fist" (directed by Andrew Lau of Infernal Affairs fame). I'd like to hear from anyone else who has seen the later flick as I feel the ending is uncanny in its similarities to the Neo/Smith battle. ///// I think we can all agree that very little in movies is original anymore, especially when there's an entire catalogue of innovative Asian films out there for American film makers to steal from and repackage from the masses. However, it's all about delivering tired and true elements in new ways so that they seem fresh or exciting again. But simply transporting a scene from a movie into another movie and replacing them with American actors, while not admitting that you're paying homage at all...the Wachowskis have commited a fatal error. And unfortunately there's going to be a million idiots running around thinking that The Matrix series is the most original and genre-breaking movie out there, while the more knowledgeable will be saying, "What about the works of Tsui Hark, Andrew Lau, and others that the Wachowskis pilfered from?" //// That's just my view of it, though.

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 5:05 p.m. CST

    all of you are just a couple of shitheads

    by Gotta Eat Mancats

    Look, why can't you accept the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I loved Revolutions, I think it saved the trilogy from the dissappointment that Reloaded was. You matrix bashers, stop bashing matrix fans for loving the trilogy, they're a bunch of great films (yes, even relaoded was pretty good.) You matrix fanboys, stop bashing matrix bashers for not loving the matrix because they didn't understand it or didn't watch it. They maybe did both of those things, they maybe thought the matrix films are not their thing. One more thing, Harry's review might not be the most logical or down to earth, but hell, it's his own fucking opinion. Isn't this what America is all about, freedom, and now especially on the internet, we could freely express our feelings on message boards. Stop starting shit with people just because they want to express their thoughts. The Wachowskis did that by creating the matrix, and you all diss them for realizing their dream into a bonafide kick ass flick'. God, I just want to bitch-slap all of you right now!!!

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 5:20 p.m. CST

    yes, but...

    by nevada

    ...what exactly did they create? nothing much new if you are aware of their influences - & they're not even using those sources as inspiration, but are ripping off other more original filmmakers wholesale...shameful!

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Your analogies

    by arct

    Harry, I don't know where you are getting off with Neo representing Osama and the machines representing america... the machines enslave the humans for one purpose, to make them produce power for them, to make them unaware of their real use. How can you say that only the US does this... oh yes, only in the US, people work the dreaded hours of 9 to 5, whereas kids in malaysia workin 9 to 9 for diddly squat are repressed, underpaid, and overworked. "Neo is for his people

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 5:43 p.m. CST

    I liked both Matrix and Elf, but...

    by HardcoreRocker

    Pay for Elf and then sneak into The Matrix. Or just see Elf. It's a fucking riot! www.rockithardcore.com

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 5:56 p.m. CST

    I know

    by Gotta Eat Mancats

    I know that the Wachowskis STOLE a lot from anime, religous themes, and hong kong action films, but the story itself and the characters are the Wachowskis' creation, and you have to give them some credit for that. If it weren't for the matrix, then most of us would still be hooked on Pokemon type of shit, instead of anime classics like Evangelion or Princess Mononoke. What I'm trying to say that the matrix probably introduced most of us to anime, asian film, and stuff like that. I wasn't introduced to them by the matrix, but I'm just saying that it did introduce it to most people.

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 5:57 p.m. CST

    they're only movies...

    by nevada

    ...& not very good ones at that. why is everyone taking it all so seriously, do you honestly believe the two geeks who made them have the intellectual depth to infuse these comic book movies with any REAL meaning? I think the script for the second film clearly put paid to that notion. & as for analogies - well, mr. knowles is clearly spending too much time immersed in his own universe. I must admit, I've not seen "revolutions", but having paid for & suffered through "reloaded", I think I can be forgiven. I don't believe for a minute that the wachowskis ever had a trilogy planned all along (anymore than lucas had a series of nine - no wait a minute, actually six episodes of star wars originally in mind). I think they started with a very long script, & ripped-off set pieces, that either didn't fit or were too expensive at the time to execute. once the first one took off of course, they willingly found a studio to indulge them. it would make sense if we could blame warner bros., responsible for destroying their own superman & batman franchises, for ruining what might have been a promosing run of films; but since those boy-wonders were pretty much left to their own devices, well...

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 6:09 p.m. CST

    well...

    by nevada

    ...I have no problems with audiences who like the matrix films (well, up to a point - see last posting!), but I think these cases of cinematic theft has nothing to do with introducing western audiences to their asian sources, do they? I mean, for a start, they're hardly admitting from where they stole, so how is john (or jane) doe going to be "introduced" to the original? no wonder the wachowskis don't like to do publicity for their films...

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Hey Mexi -

    by SAVOIR_faire

    The 'blame' for any movies that got produced in the 90's is nobody's here.....Actually, I take that back. The blame is YOURS. Because I haven't seen a single screenplay credit with your name on it...(DO correct me if I'm mistaken, and you have been writing...) How much energy does it take to spew about the power of the f*^&%ing pen, when you sit at home doing absolutely nothing to add to the marketplace of ideas? I mean, really now.

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Matrix Revolutions

    by The Goatboy

    I enjoyed 'Revolutions' and agree with what HK said about the film. So squish!

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Oh Yeah It's On like neck bone

    by Mr.Sleep

    Revolutions owned everything. SPOILER but everyone has probably seen it by now. First and for most for anyone who doesn't understand the last two matrix movies let's make this a quick explanation. First the architect is satan he is tempting Jesus in the wilderness. Also his speech comes from Aquinas and gives proof that God exists. That ends that right there. the meroviginian, he provides several things to the movie first he places neo at the train station. the reason neo can do what he does in the real world is as they said in the first he is in touch with the matrix and as such he's in touch with the machines. neo is neither human nor machine he is both. the meroviginian also gives us the ideals of casuality. That is every action has a reaction. This is important. if neo had tried to destroy the machine world or destroy the matrix than everyone he had loved or befriended would have died. everything he had done and learned would have been for nothing. cause and effect. instead realizing after questioning with the oracle, or you could just say God neo finds out that what he needs to know. he learns that in order for the the war to end humans and machines must reach peace. if not the war will end but only the machines would win, this is basically saying that the Romans would win. Here's where harry is wrong the machines aren't the united states they are the romans or the jews in the bible. Morpheus and those who believe in neo you could say would be is apostles, while bane would be the judas. Now for the blind neo thing why was it relevant hello it's said right there Agent Smith/Bane said it for you Blind Messiah. Argh everyone is so brain dead. Why the ending works so well...First and foremost Neo realizes that smith has grown out of control he also realizes that Smith can not see past the choices he can not understand ie. why neo wouldn't give up or why neo would give depends on how you saw it i saw it as why neo just gives up. therefore when smith says i'll be the one who kills you he is right he's also right when he'd said he'd end the war however he couldn't see past neo's choice and therefore died. As for what happened to him. It's apperent isn't it once the machines new smith's programming code they erased it from the matrix since he had copied and changed it so much they needed the final copy which is what they got and that's when they could erase him from the matrix. The oracle is returned as well as seraph and the little girl because they are still needed in the matrix as programs. The architect at the end is basically satan coming forward and telling God that yes i'll give up the ones that want to be freed and states rather harshly that he will keep his word because machines don't lie and humans do. The architect is incapable of lieing as are the machines because they are built on programs and equations. The matrix is not a lie the matrix is control the machines knew that humans would die if they left them to there whim therefore they podded them and jacked them into the matrix. I claimed that neo wasn't the one in an earlier post and that was wrong he is the other ones failed to do what they had been prophesized to do they were essentially prophets such as Moses etc. I could go on about Limbo and Mobil Ave train station and the train man. He's god in his area. he created it specifically so no one could get out of there if they were not supposed to be. He leads the programs to the machine city-heavan for programs or the matrix-hell Trinity had to die. Neo had to sacrifice everything including himself to save humanity and he did just that. Everyone who hated this movie because they thought that they left too much out obviously didn't understand. Bane/Agent Smith in the real world is Sin, sin is everywhere sin is corruption and sin spreads to even the most pure that is why neo was able to resist it in reloaded because Jesus could resist sin. However sin is also what brings on death to this world therefore neo is giving in to sin and death to save the world. it's so apperent it's right there and you all missed it. Zion was perfectly done I actually felt that they were in danger and why were the squiddies just swooping around when they could have killed everyone in a matter of moments. first of all they only focused on the one battle suit which also became the last battle suit secondly the machines did in fact wipe out that many suit relatively quickly since it only took them about 10 minutes to clear out over a hundred suits that's not bad given the fire that the suits were laying out. on the wife thing she was only attacking one of those drill things at a time going around in a circle after it she wasn't all over the dock. this movie is perfect everything plays out exactly as it should have. it even made me kind of like the first one. something that really wasn't all that probable. what makes me hate the first though is all the fan boys out there bitching and moaning about the second and third ones and all the arguments sound the same the acting was bad, the plot was unoriginal, too philosophical, the action seemed unneeded, or they didn't understand. so let me get this straight the first one with 4th grade religion philosophies in it and the stupid lobby scene not to mention the helicopter not to mention the I know kung-fu or the woah or the whole thing in the apartment or smith and neo in the subway or there is no spoon or dodge this or anything like that. none of that made you upset but the architect and the freeway chase from reloaded made you upset. you are all so god damn stupid it's ridiculous the first matrix made me wonder if the film was real not once did i ponder how real anything was or anything like that i didn't care the first one was an action movie it had nothing that resembled substance in it no twists since it was apparent that neo was the one, no great memorable lines other than smith telling morpheus that humans are a virus. nothing nothing nothing the lobby scene was cool but stupid the helicopter scene made no sense woah and i know kung-fu are the worst lines ever. everything was set-up in those movies so that it was all clearly explained what the theme was. reloaded and revolutions made you think and that's what i'm glad for and no there will be no fourth one simply because it ended neo stopped the war it leaves you to wonder what will happen next. noone was upset when the empire fell and that left the rebels with control of the galaxy, who's to say that they didn't go ahead and start another empire since lucas has already said that none of the books are canon you can't claim that the books do. noone cared about what would happen to indian jones or ET or anything like that most movies end open ended to keep the audiences wondering what will happen next for themselves this has a clear ending the war is over. it's now up to the humans to decide i wrote a lot but hey i don't care i was tired of seeing the sequels be bashed since they were above all the hater's level of understanding.

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 8:54 p.m. CST

    This just in. Pixar to do cg for Matrix 4: "Finding Neo"

    by clintskywood

    Word has it that Persephone would like to meet Ellen much as she met Niobe in "Enter the Matrix"

  • Nov. 10, 2003, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Was this the movie they intended to make? Questions...

    by SkankMeister

    I read in Entertainment magazine before the release of Reloaded that Persophone was supposed to have a greater role in BOTH sequals and supposed to be a dangerous nemesis of NEO. This is stated in interviews with Warchawski? brothers and several of the actors. Neo was also supposed to use melee weapons in both movies. Even with some exciting scenes, the editing and flow in Revolutions felt ponderous and bloated. As stated by others here and elsewhere questions were raised in Reloaded but not addressed in Revolutions. Lazy script writing rears it's ugly head in the form of supposedly portentious philosphical conversations that inanely chase their own tales. I know it's easy to be cynical about how we like closure in America but I've seen well written abstract endings that leave us thinking instead of safe and satisfied and Revolutions was not an example. The movie just feels like a quick and dirty hack job. Even the choreography in the fight scenes are weak. Is this really the movie they intended to make?

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 1:52 a.m. CST

    disappointed

    by NormanOsborne

    Now I wish they had just left the first film alone.

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 2:18 a.m. CST

    I didn't like Gigili...I guess I didn't "understand" it.

    by Rupee88

    You guys are so smart to understand the Matrix...I wish I was as smart as you, so I could like it too.

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Good Deaths and Bad deaths > SPOILERS

    by SkankMeister

    To be honest, I was concerned about Persephone being a major player when emotionally weighty dialogue has always been a weak point for Matrix. (Eg. Any and every romance IN the Matrix Trilogy.) I was just wondering if her characters rollback in the sequel was an indicator over how much crappy script hacking was going on. Japanese animation always rules over American animation for me because I can't respect stories with characters that never have to suffer for what they believe in. I guess the real moral is that life and material security are preferable to death if you want to stand up for what you believe in. Unfortunately, the deaths of Neo and Trinity in Revolutions are pure garbage. I kept wanting to scream at Trinity, "hurry up and DIE already!". Wallace's death in Braveheart was a good death dramatically because it was written well. The Matrix went downhill as soon as it started trying to add "emotional weight" to the storyline. It should have stayed cerebral and kinetic, which is what it excelled at. After Trinity died I kept expecting Neo to shout, "I'm SINGLE again, bAbYYY!", ala Austin Powers.

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 7:13 a.m. CST

    The Matrix Unloaded

    by Vynson

    THE MATRIX was about Neo and Morpheus and Trinity. RELOADED and REVOLUTIONS were about the Wachowskis and their SPFX teams.

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 11:18 a.m. CST

    I think...

    by tango fett

    That Harry is in Al-Qaeda. What's with the Neo is Bin Laden thing? Anyway, The only complaints I had on the movie WERE... That Neo and Trin died. I knew it was coming and it still pissed me off. This goes to show that I actually cared for the characters, which is a change from Reloaded. The other thing was the ending. "Oh, lets show the sun rising over the city for what feels like 2 minutes." It wasen't even good cinematography compared to everything else. Other than these 2 small complaints, I thought the movie was awesome. The Super Burly Brawl(Burly Brawl? That was probably Larry Wachowskis idea. Perv.)owns anything else in the previous movies, and the music was cool. I also missed a Rage Against the Machine song for the credits. Oh well, Matrix Online is coming out next year.

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Total Shit

    by FranklinCobb

    Thanks for all the unanswered questions and for NOT following up on anything you laid out in part 2. Chows, you guys truly suck. Anyone who likes this movie obviously has too much invested in WANTING to like it. I loved Reloaded (well, not so much now since most of it has been rendered moot) but Revolutions is CRAP. Yeah, I get the symbolism. Sure, I see the religious parallels. Doesn't change the fact the movie is poorly written, inconsistent crap. More disappointing than ANY Star Wars prequel could hope to be.

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 4:43 p.m. CST

    A failure of less than epic proportions

    by Stirling Mel

    Just got back from seeing it... You remember seeing the SW trilogy for the first time...remember how, after Empire Strikes Back, there was such hope for the final episode? And, setting a precedent for final eps, Revenge/Return of the Jedi absolutely delivered on some things, but not enough...and Empire, the middle film, is remembered as the cornerstone of the franchise... After seeing the final installment of the Matrix trilogy, I sort of feel the same way. The story was the most poorly constructed of the three; it almost seemed like, in both RELOADED and REVOLUTIONS, script-wise, they actually had a movie and a third... They seemed to stretch that third into a full film, and the ommissions are - relatively speaking - fairly glaring. After all that effort to free the humans from the Matrix, we don't get that payoff (except for the Architect telling the Oracle he will free those who want to be freed)? I get the philosophical spin by the Bros. there, but I was looking forward to how the masses of humans, severed from their bonds, would react to freedom...it would have even been interesting to actually SEE those who couldn't handle freedom physically DIVE back into their pods...what sybolism that would have made, IMHO... In addition, I can't shake the feeling, with this installment more than the others, that this trilogy reduced down to nothing more than "White man Saves the Day, Part 427." The inclusion of so many more "persons of color" (how is that accurate anyway? As if those we label "white" are in fact colorless...sigh) in the films makes that fact all the more, well, galling. That, at the end, the empowered "persons of color" all sat in the Temple waiting (praying?) for the white Christ-figure (Neo) and his white Muse/Mary Magdalene (Trinity) to save them was, to put it mildly, rather disappointing, not because it was...how do I put this...not because it was necessarily unfair in any way, but rather because it was...typical. That is, I submit "White man Saves the Day, Part 427" because this is the context, the lens, through which, it seems, almost all film content manifests itself. Its almost like someone at the studio says, "Now, at the end of the day, we need white folks making the biggest sacrifices, white folks making the key decisions, and white folks exemplifying the ultimate Hero/Heroine. The others can tag along, but they cannot be ultimately decisive." I struggle with that analysis, because, to me, it smacks of a bit of racism on my part. I must cede (the appearance of) that. But it is so overwhelmingly my film-watching experience that I can say nothing else; anything else would be a lie. That's why REVOLUTIONS is doubly disappointing to me. I was hoping for a layered sense of "Revolution," starting with turning that white guy/white hat motif on its ear, in the final analysis. Sadly, in the final analysis, a third of a film, stretched into a full-length feature, recycled old plot models...I felt like Neo in front of the Architect, the plans within plans laid bare at last... I was, after what to that point had been, IMHO, the best film cycle of all time, looking for so much more...REVOLUTIONS really falls flat. Maybe I'll feel differently after more viewings, and if so I'll say so...but that's not too likely. Sad. The effects were nice, though. Man; after this falling on it face, and my wholesale abandonment of Jackson's Fantasy Debacle, my holiday season will be spent seeking out little gems, I guess...the big fish have let me down big time.

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 5:29 p.m. CST

    People still don't "get" this movie

    by The DoublePoster

    It pains me that people still don't get this movie or what happens at the end. The white guy does not save the day, everyone in the Matrix world dies. And Zion is not real. Read on peeps: http://skyline_10.tripod.com/

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 5:29 p.m. CST

    People still don't "get" this movie

    by The DoublePoster

    It pains me that people still don't get this movie or what happens at the end. The white guy does not save the day, everyone in the Matrix world dies. And Zion is not real. Read on peeps: http://skyline_10.tripod.com/

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 5:33 p.m. CST

    I think you are right...

    by Yossarian

    Being PC is the key to making a good movie. The CRUCIAL mistake in the matrix was a failure to be more PC. FROM HERE ON OUT...NO CRACKERS IN MOVIES. I'm sick of the white man stealing everybodies thunda'!

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Harry lost his mind?!

    by jnessi

    Hi, I maybe late, but I

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Kind of off topic, but I have a movie question and where better

    by JohnnyTremaine

    I rented the THE HULK last night (jeez and I thought MATRIX REVOLUTIONS was bad); can ANYBODY explain that ending to me? Nick Nolte bites the power line, becomes an energy creature, and here I'm thinking 'great here comes the good stuff--a great big throwdown between monsters'---and then we get a perplexing series of images where I don't know WHAT the hell's going on. Somehow the Hulk and Absorbing Man find themselves in the desert duking it out for all of 30 seconds, there's a giant bubble over a lake, which may or may not contain the hero (?), and is finally blown up by a fighter jet. As if that's not bad enough, we get a 5 minute denoument, which was an even bigger head scratcher: How did Hulk survive? And why does Bruce wind up in the rain forest? Man, HOW COULD YOU MESS UP A MOVIE ABOUT THE HULK?! Inconceivable.

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Back on topic, here's an interesting review of REVOLUTIONS that

    by JohnnyTremaine

    Haunted Hollywood Matrix Revolutions. By Thomas Hibbs Walker Percy was fond of describing the south as Christ forgetting and Christ haunted. The much-anticipated final entry in the Matrix trilogy, Matrix Revolutions, a disappointing film roundly and justifiably lambasted by critics, provides evidence that the story of Christ continues to haunt the most unlikely of communities

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Matrix bummer

    by Varese70

    I was in AZ visiting my Mom when the 3rd Matrix opened. I loved the first, Really dug the second and was Jacked up for the third. I usually go with a couple of dudes. It's our Midnight Movie Club. Bring on the geeks. This has been the best Sci-Fi year yet. But I couldn't make it so they saw Matrix 3 without me. I got a call from both with their initial reactions. Both liked it but there was something not excited in their voices. So I saw it Monday afternoon. I have to take my wife to see it so that will be two for me. I gotta tell ya.....Eh. That's my professional review. Eh. It just sort of petered out for me at the end. My heart was gonna burst at the Zion battle. Holy crap was that kick ass. But the amount of cheese in the dialogue was testing my limits, ie: Some things change. omg, how many times did I have to listen to that saying between the last two movies. God, stop it. I'm glad I saw the Animatrix with the story about the kid who freed himself because that's the only time I didn't find him annoying on a Jar-Jar level. Question...shitty dialogue, or bad actor? Either way, I was glad to be done with him. Also, a hot two min. of the Frenchman and Ms. super hot Brotherhood of the Wolves? That's it? Oh man did the air fly out of the tires on that one. I think the eyes of the oracle dilema would have been much more facinating to have to deal with. But nope, gun to the head, deals off. Moving on. Kinda lame. Or perhaps I just love her costume. Oh the Trinity Neo final scene...good drag it out Lord...oh man, bummer but, christ on a bicycle this ain't the theater sweetie pie...tell him you love him and run to the light. Machine city...kick ass...final fight with Smith, kick ass...Question. If the Smith that was the Oracle exploded, why was the oracle left intact? Didn't the other movies show that if the body inhabited by the agents was killed, then the original person died too? Did I miss something? Anyway, I've seen worse Trilogies or will finish one next year when the new Star Wars comes out. Oh Timothy Zahn, why couldn't George have hired you to write.....All in all...not bad...nothing resolved...I'll buy the DVD. Kind of lame but kind of not. I feel nothing. Can't recommend or not recommend. Now I have to understand that.

  • Nov. 12, 2003, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Finally got around to seeing this one and now it's official:

    by PumpyMcAss

    Kill Bill Vol. 1 owned this movie big time. The Matrix series simply got worse with each film. Back when the first one came out I had high hopes that the Matrix trilogy would be our generation's Star Wars trilogy. Now it is clear that while I was amused by the last two Matrix films, they were very much lacking. Obviously, the present Star Wars trilogy is in a lot worse shape than these movies, though. Now it appears that Lord of the Rings is our Star Wars and I can definitely deal with that because those are wonderful films. But I'd take Kill Bill Vol. 1 over any of the films previously mentioned. Here's hoping Vol. 2 is even crazier!

  • Nov. 12, 2003, 9:08 a.m. CST

    matrix spoilage and hey harry!

    by enohpisit

    just seen MR at the IMAX. after all that bad reviews (i never read any but heard of some) i was pretty surprised. positively ! of course the zion battle was amasing on that imax screen. i especially liked that substory with that gorgeous battle-lesbian. i think the bad ending for one of the mayor-players was important to show the cruelty of ANY war ANYWHERE and led ONE to the only solution. the neo-smith fight was also amazing..like jesus playing chess with the devil. also (a bit too long but)important the indian fellow and his daughter. they were programs and neo liked them...another reason for his decision at the end. i still dont get the merovingian and monica bellucis role was "like not there". (please dont argue about the sm-club..IT IS THE FRIGGIN MATRIX and MERO designs it his style.)i also liked harrys political interpretation to the thing. well guys i see it like spielberg once said it. "if the people go out of the theatre and just think: where the heck are my car-keys? something went wrong." but the matrix series started so many interesting discussions. of course thats also a problem for the Wachi-Bros, couse it raised the expectations up to mars for its end. i wasnt disappointed. all the cast was great. CGI amazing esp. the hyrominus bosch-like deus ex machina. WOW. GO AND SEE. greetings from ole yurop and sorry for the bad english.

  • Nov. 13, 2003, 2:20 a.m. CST

    The bigger they are, the harder they fall !!

    by KING ZAID

    I loved the original Matrix. It was my favorite movie of all time. In my opinion, the Wachowski's should have stopped while they were ahead. That movie had great writing, action and effects. The ending made it clear that the machines had met their match and the rest was left to our imaginations, and not in the sloppy way Reloaded and Revolutions did. What is left to the imagination in those films seems the result of poor writing and poor judgement. The first movie appears to have been made with pride. However, the second and third appear to be the result of greed. They don't appear as thought out. Instead, they appear to be the best product their dead lines would allow. Now, I hear the deadline is on again. Rumor has it that since Revolutions is not meeting the box office expectations its makers expected, that it may be released on DVD much sooner than expected so that they can still cash in on this dud.

  • Nov. 13, 2003, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Revolutions on video soon?

    by KING ZAID

    The Matrix Revolutions (DVD): "Reloaded" came to disc relatively fast - around five months after its theatrical. Could its follow-up be out in less than half the time? IGN Filmforce heard a rumour that's so juicy I'll let it speak for itself: "Worried that the time to make money from the franchise may be running out faster than expected, representatives for Warner Home Video contacted some of the major video retailers and rental outlets on Monday to let them know that Revolutions may be coming home a lot sooner than expected. Early January was mentioned but if the box office continues to drop at its current pace, Matrix Revolutions could hit DVD before Christmas". There's also talk of packaging the film in a three-movie boxed set. WHV reps neither confirmed or denied the report, although a meeting did take place on the day in question about it. If it is happening, expect an official announcement in coming weeks. Thanks to 'JHBlade'.

  • Nov. 13, 2003, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Matrix breaks a record? *link*

    by E.C.

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/13/film.boxoffice.reut/index.html May not be heading to video THAT soon.

  • Nov. 13, 2003, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Matrix: A marvel of imagination & technical skill.

    by Holland

    I would like to see anyone attempt to do a better job at squaring then cubing a film as fantastic as the Matrix. I have been blown away by both of the sequels, and after re-watching the first Matrix, I hate to burst your bubble, but the story *does* make very cool sense. I love it! The FX are astounding. Just ASTOUNDING and you know it. Never before has an action / adventure / fantasy story been put to screen with such mastery. It is a marvel of imagination & technical skill. Holland

  • Nov. 13, 2003, 10:52 p.m. CST

    E.C. maybe you should read what you quote more carefully

    by KING ZAID

    "Revolutions" earned a relatively disappointing $83.8 million in its first five days of release in North America, compared with about $102 million for "Two Towers." This quote is from the very article you used to support your argument. Re-read your source material and you will discover that Revolutions opened worldwide on the same day as its North American release. This is not common for most films. International releases usually come a short time after a film's domestic release. This accounts for Revolutions' large box office figure but also gives the impression that the studio knew it had a bomb on its hands and wanted to cash in before the bad word of mouth got out. This may support the possibility that the studio may want to push up the release date for the DVD. Of course this is only speculation. I don't know how common it is for people to own DVD players in third world countries (the majority of the planet)but my guess is that it is not as common as it is in the U.S. That would explain why the studio would benefit from releasing the DVD early. Its product did not do well in its largest market.

  • Nov. 14, 2003, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Matrix character

    by spuckle

    Was the pilot Link in the first film named after the muppet Link Hogthrob from Pigs in Space?

  • Nov. 14, 2003, 1:58 p.m. CST

    The Matrix Revolutions: A Comprehensive Review/Analysis

    by CedricMGrant

    The Matrix Revolutions (**** out of ****) By: Cedric M. Grant I am so disappointed. Not in the Wachowski Bros.

  • Nov. 14, 2003, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Thank goodness for downloads

    by matrix_sux

    Screw filesharing. Usenet rules. Is it me or did this movies take this pseudo relious psycho babble to heart just to attone for producing all the Columbine wannabees from the first movie? The ONLY kudo I would give this crapfest was the fall of Zion scenes. Those sentinals reminded me of that scene in creepshow where all those roaches boiled out of the drain pipe. The final showdown between Neo and Smith was pointless because it was basically immovable object verses irrisistable force. The only way to win was to have the oracle cheat on Neo's behalf. Save your money, download it.

  • Nov. 15, 2003, 12:53 a.m. CST

    The Shit-Rix Retard-Delutions

    by 900LBGorilla

    Holy Crap, I just saw the movie, and did that suck ass or what? Cedrik- sorry, but I couln't read your entire rambling post, but DAMN dude...you made me shit myself with laughter, the beauty of your post is the fact that you assume that the(apparently massive majority)of us who think this film blew...don't understand it...we UNDERSTAND it just fine...and I hate to break your bubble, but if you found the movie "deep", you need to take philosophy 101...you'd really shit yourself then...cause nothing in Retard-lutionss was any deeper than you would learn there...and the Zion battle (which was cool) was FAR from perfect...I found myself wondering the entire fucking tiem why the dumb ass sentinals kept flying in a large stream straight into the guns of the battle-bots...that was fucking dumb...I mean they outnumbered the bot dudes like a thousand to one...especxially late in the battle...if the sentinals had the programming complexity of your average 1st person shooter game, they'd attack fro multiple angles and end the whole thing in like a new york minute. Also found myself wondering twhy the hell Zion had no EMP's...what the hell kind of defence is that? (other than a dumb one).

  • Nov. 15, 2003, 1:21 a.m. CST

    But the problem REALLY WAS

    by 900LBGorilla

    That the 1st Matrix was focused on Neo/Trinity/Morpheous and freeing humans from the Matrix (with some neat Christian symbolism, simple but fun philosophy, and interesting sci- fi concepts about perception)...The 2 Crap-Tacular follow-ups dropped the ball by focusing on computer programs in the Matrix...computer programs who get married, cheat on each other, can see the future (yes fortune telling and ESP in a program is stupid), get jealous about husband programs who are getting blow jobs in bathrooms from other programs, so betray said husband programs...who don't kill the traitorous bitch programs because that program has great program tits, fall in love with human languages, have little cute children programs...who they love lots and lots, and also find ways to come out of the hard drive for all the computer programs and into the brain of some guy in the real world...WHAT THE FUCK DUDE? Did the Wack-owski's do too much coke between the original and the sequels? apparently so...talk about changing the fucking subject and moving from interesting to absurd...(then adding insult to injury by completely blowing the payoff)........I mean shit the only reason I would ever feel the compunction to watch Re-tard-lutions again is because Monica Belluci's tits looked really...REALLY good in that dress... What a fucking waste of potential...whoever said Lucas can now be consoled as he is no longer the only idiot in movie history to completely cluster-fuck a nearly autmatic grand slam was right on...

  • Nov. 15, 2003, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Cedric, get a life!

    by KING ZAID

    How old are you? Step away from the keyboard and join the rest of us in the real world. THE MATRIX HAS YOU !!!

  • Nov. 16, 2003, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Pretty Good

    by Ribbons

    It wasn't as good as I'd hoped it would be, but it was better than I thought it would be. I still contend that 'The Matrix' is the best of the series, but the latter two were more ambitious so, gotta give them props for that.

  • Nov. 16, 2003, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Biggest Problem?

    by Ribbons

    The dialogue. The Wachowskis do not know how to write alpha male swagger.

  • Nov. 16, 2003, 6:24 p.m. CST

    The Matrix Reloaded: Recut

    by kiko_magna

    There's an alternative version of Matrix2 floating around called "The Matrix Reloaded: Recut". If you can find it, watch it. It's very good.

  • Nov. 16, 2003, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Martix2 recut

    by matrix_sux

    Ah, the Phantom Editor strikes back. What's the diff in this version?

  • Nov. 16, 2003, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Ethos is a fanboy

    by hipsterism

    Ethos-You're right! Holy crap using your logic now I have found holes in all most every movie I seen. A 25 foot shark give me a break...some dude in a fedora going after little bits of junk..some white guy winning the heavy weight title. In fact, all the star wars movies..the dude kissed his sister for god's sake

  • Nov. 16, 2003, 10:54 p.m. CST

    I liked it

    by SirDataEntry

    Finally got around to seeing it. For the record, I thought M1 rocked (as in all-time fave), and M2 sucked. I thought M3 would suck, too, but I resigned myself to see it. I liked it. That's not the same as saying it was good -- just that I liked it. Another data point.

  • Nov. 17, 2003, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Matrix2 reedited

    by kiko_magna

    Well, I haven't seen The Phantom Edit, because I hate Star Wars. You could say I'm more of a Trekkie. But I have read about it and it's probably a bit different from this. Let me just say that the editing is very creative in (I'll call it) MX2RE, and it's done the way a studio might do it, not the way a fan would do it. Very precise and meticulous. Some scenes were completely reedited, my jaw dropped to the floor during the love scene (notice the word "love" instead of "fuck", you'll see why :). The dialogues are also heavily reedited, but the funny thing is, you won't even notice it, unless you know the original by heart. But the best thing about it that it contains extra scenes that I didn't see in the original movie. I love the way they were woven into the story, replacing some of the dry and direct statements like "She used to be with Morpheus, now she's with Lock" with actual events that hint at those facts. Here, you actually begin to care about some characters. All in all, the pacing is a lot better and the movie is far more coherent and understandable. It's very well done and the picture quality is excellent. I'm really glad I saw it before Revolutions. I probably enjoyed MX3 a helluva lot more than I would have, had I not seen this cut. Oh, and you need some newer codecs to watch it, otherwise you might get weird playback. You can find them here: XviD (video codec): http://www.roeder.goe.net/cgi-bin/fetch?file=XviD-24062003-1.exe FFDshow (DS filter for video): http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ffdshow/ffdshow-20030523.exe?download OggDS (DS filter for Ogg audio): http://nic.dnsalias.com/OggDS0996_inst.zip kiko

  • Nov. 17, 2003, 4:54 a.m. CST

    I loved it...

    by pax256

    Took 3 viewings to really take it in. First viewing I found it to be almost unbearably sad. 2nd I took in other characters a bit more and was more attentive to detail... 3rd really drove home that the series was really neo's tale and not the matrix's. effects hold strong all the time. And some very good acting all around. No real holes in the script. Any unanswered q's? yea sure but nothing important to the story. In fact I had more answers from animatrix than any of the movies. And I had more q's after matrix 1 than matrix 2 or 3. With the help of animatrix and the comics and m2 & 3 I have enough answers to satisy me and in the process Ive really come to fall in love with the universe here. This is a rare thing as Ive only seen SW and ST to gain my attention this deeply. And really the matrix has really grabbed my attention more than the other 2 who are now starting to wane... I needed this new universe that hopefully will get more treatments in various media in the future.

  • Nov. 17, 2003, 6:52 a.m. CST

    "The year of the Matrix!"-Time, actually it's ROTK

    by krylite

    To britbuffguy and all you matrix defenders, you're setting yourself up to be pleasantly(or not) suprised by ROTK. Course I want to "preserve" my "precious" LOTR trilogy, it got cheated twice at the Oscars already by crappy movies. Matrix I was the answer to Phantom Menace, but as a whole trilogy it can't stand up to PJ's LOTR. Why can't PJ be assailed? cuz he's the biggest director in movie business right now. I kid you not, he's in hotter demand than Spielberg and Ramalayan. That's why he can do what he wants to do next i.e. KKong. Anyways, ROTK is going to knock your socks off. Why? because ROTK is the BEST part in the LOTR books. Anyone would know that who's read it. Even folks who read the books(originally it was one novel, that's why the story continues well; think Moby Dick or War and Peace divided into three published books) since it came out in 1953 know that Fellowship and TTT are only the setup. Tolkien spent a lifetime developing the background world of LOTR(1920's to his death in 1972; read the "Silmarillion", it's got a thousand times more info about the nature of Middle-Earth than the spouting-off of the Architect which amounted to red herrings in MRev.) while the WBs composed the Matrix world of ripped-off stuff from other movies. In fact, LOTR deals with the question of death far better than Matrix ever will. And yes, characters will die in ROTK, there are real themes and not just good defeats evil. Take Aragorn and Arwen. The dude is a mortal. Arwen can live forever. How is this resolved in ROTK? You're gonna see that in ROTK(heh, even without vampires and Buffy). You're gonna see a lot of great stuff. You all will see the greatness of Tolkien's vision come to life in ROTK as PJ is a master at bringing the themes out visually, while Matrix Reloaded/Rev just said here's CGI candy for your $$$!. Trick or treat! Matrix=Trick, LOTR,ROTK=the best treat of our new millenium.

  • Nov. 17, 2003, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Rcamacho2278@aol.com says you Matrix fans are a bunch of pussies

    by snatchmaster

    That addy once again is Rcamacho2278@aol.com. Tell this dipshit to come out and play with the big boys

  • Nov. 17, 2003, 4:29 p.m. CST

    The movie was decent untill the end

    by archon

    I feel the movie had one of the hollywood cop-out endings. It was basically a compromise between the happy go lucky "we kill the robots" and the other predictable ending of the matrix gets reset and all the humans in zion die. I really thought they where going for a real sci-fi ending and it was going to be a mind blower but it wasnt. As for the technology issue. Im sure if I was in command of a resistance with big walkers. I would of go all the people who where raised in the matrix and found a way to interface them with walkers. why not thats what they did when they entered zion anyway. If we really want to get down to it though the whole situation would of never happen. If we dropped nukes on their only city the EMP from a nuclear bomb would of kill all or most of them. Thats been the problem with making a emp. they only way to make a really big one as of right now is to detonate a nuclear bomb. Its just a movie anyway though. The ending would of been ok if they ended it at the part where you see neos body being carried away. The last 5 mins where just TOO cheasy.

  • Nov. 17, 2003, 8 p.m. CST

    Harry knows movies..you idiots don't...Revolutions Rocks!

    by freestylin

    Sometimes I read this site and I'm amazed at all the zit-faced teenagers or socially retarded middle-aged men who use this board to air their adolescent drivel--GET LAID, ALREADY. How could you possibly think Revolutions sucked? Get off the anti-establishment band wagon. Yeah, Yeah, I know the first film was soo great. It FELT like an indie art house flick that had this quiet buzz and you discovered it. Sorry kids, these days good independent films are bought by studios and yeah, they make franchises out of them. The first film was a simple foundation of a very complex idea. But it had nowhere to go but FAR OUT. And the first film had the demonstrative comic book element that these films are being criticized for(i.e., Neo flying at the end; Trinity bringing Neo back with a kiss; Neo will save Morpheus because he "believes" he can; etc.-- there are more. watch it again) Neo is a superhero, always was. The characters are archetypal, (this is not Terms of Endearment. Go cry somewhere else.)--just like they were in the first film. Reloaded and especially REVOLUTIONS are exactly what they should be--unpredictable. What film have you seen in the last five years --not counting the other two- that is as imaginative? Not since Blade Runner has there been a film of this size that has been such a visual work of art and simultaneously intriguing on a visceral action level. The Gun check-tight action scene; the Indian guy-beautiful subtlety; the machine world--are you f**kin' kidding me--stunning. The Western motif of the Neo v. Smith ending--classic--clever. The bad-ass female warriors--did you see Niobe piloting that ship? Did you see Charra and Niobe? Not to mention Trinity. I have never seen so many kick-ass women in one film even counting the chick flicks. I won't even go into the Zion battle with the sentinels--the visual effects are unsurpassed. were you people sleeping through this flick or what? The story itself, the anomaly, the false profit--suppose messiahs don't REALLY exist--suppose they're a natural occurence but a form of control, something to believe in and keep you subdued --who has the courage to suggest that? The resolution to the war of attrition between the humans and the machines being a will to survive--this is some good sh*t. Pertinent. Don't get stuck on the first film. These films while different are amazing in their own right. And as far as all the cynicism over the philosophical aspect of the films--big whoop, they try to enlighten or educate or at the very least provoke some thought. There are worse things a filmmaker can do. I will own all three when they come out and I will treasure them like my Kubrick collection. And by the way, little known fact, both 2001 and Blade Runner were scoffed at by critics when they were released. Yet both go down in cinema history as groundbreaking films. Makes you wonder.

  • Nov. 17, 2003, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Dude, I'm Freestylin'

    by 900LBGorilla

    Sometimes I read this site and I'm amazed at all the zit-faced teenagers or socially retarded middle-aged men who use this board to air their adolescent drivel--GET LAID, ALREADY. How could you possibly think Revolutions IS MORE THAN A PILE OF WORM RIDDEN SHIT?????(Wow that argument works just as good the other way...in other words you are an idiot for assuming someone that did not like a movie is any more of a zit faced loser than someone who did...take a penny and go buy your self a fucking clue "dude". =================================Yeah, Yeah, I know the first film was soo great. It FELT like an indie art house flick that had this quiet buzz and you discovered it. --Ih no,. it was just a good film...a film who's premise had nothing to do with computer programs hanging in lounges with other computer programs...getting married to other programs, getting blow jobs from non-spousal programs...thereby cuasing jealousy and betrayal from the cheated on program...who gives up information that could end her program world for a program Kiss....I could go on, but won't the 1st film was rock solid based on an interesting foundation of scinence in the science fiction...the follow ups were just tripe that could have been written by my little sister...the action scene was even weakly contrived...go read my prior post for a simple bacshing of this tactically moronic battle...# 2 and #3 all all CG, no meat...anytime they venture into philospohy now, it comes off like its written by a 6 year old...the sequels were about 1 thing $$$, and it showed...the reason the movies sucked it just obvious...the brothers Wack lied when they said they invisioned this as a trilogy, they couldn't even come up with enough to keep the story on track...we dont even DEAL WITH HUMANS in the matrix in 2 and 3...now its about PROGRAMS who have "feelings"...sorry, but all they had to tell was told in the original...the follow ups were pasted together to have an excuse for a movie. And Smiths end battle/commentary was pa-freaking-thetic...I was actually laughing it was so lame...these films don't make you think, they make you LAUGH...in all the wrong places... Sorry kids, these

  • Nov. 17, 2003, 9:06 p.m. CST

    AWESOME END ALL BE ALL REIVIEW

    by 900LBGorilla

    For anyone whowants to see the ONLY review that shoudl EVER have been written on Matrix 3- fgo here, its AWESOME!================================ http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=matrix3

  • Nov. 17, 2003, 9:10 p.m. CST

    End ALL Be all review for the 2nd film

    by 900LBGorilla

    (Just for good measure) http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=matrix2

  • Nov. 18, 2003, 8:45 p.m. CST

    900lbgorilla...w/ squirrel monkey's brain

    by freestylin

    First off, would it kill you to use the spell check? And it doesn't work the other way 'cause I'm a chick. 1. "a film that had nothing to do with computer programs" News flash freshman The Matrix IS a computer program. I guess you loved the first one so much you didn't even bother to understand it. 2. "Rock solid science in science fiction"? You're misguided. The Matrix is neo-realism (i.e., Orwell; Phillip K. Dick; Aldous Huxley) not science fiction. There is no scientific discovery or development that propels the plot. It's more like: "The world has changed. The world isn't what you think." It's philosophy. It's existentialism. It's nihilism. (If you have never heard these words it's probably because they are usually found in BOOKS). And so, on the contrary the sequels do continue on the path of questioning our perceptions of reality. That these rogue programs who were created to make the Matrix more palatable to humans have in essence become human is "ROCK SOLID, MAN. ROCK ON. WOO-HOO." -in short, consistent, on the money. 3. Your six year old sister could write The Matrix. Really? Then maybe you should put her online. It would be nice to have an INTELLIGENT debate. (6 yr old, huh? so what? are you like 16? If so, it's nothing personal. Just a debate. In life you'll learn, you win some and you lose some) 4. We don't even deal with humans? That's just absurd. In the end of Reloaded, Neo defies his path for love. One of the two EMOTIONS that throughout mankind's history and folklore has lead him to defiance-even of God. (the other being power). Then in the beginning of Revolutions they pick this idea up with the Indian program talking about how he LOVES his family and they spend a moment questioning the perception of love and karma being solely human aspects. And there are like so many speeches and ideas put forth about humanity--courage; will; choice; control. I won't deny they are not presented in the conventional drama--the intimacies of a relationship- as one might expect. They are broad strokes. But these are not conventional films. Nor was the first film. Remember Trinity with Neo when he's dying in the first film--"Neo, I love you. I have from the first moment..." or something to that effect. There were no picnics in the park for Neo and Trinity. No real intimate moments--unless you count slaughtering people togther. It's just not that kind of film. And in my feeling, it would suck if it tried to be. I mean, they're on a ship flying through sewer mains because the world has ended. These films are not sagas. They're about testing and questioning the bounds of reality. Perhaps you were too busy being wowed by the VFX (bullet-time) that you weren't able to see that the first time around. Which helps me understand why the sequels are so incredibly disappointing to you. 5. Pa-freaking-thetic...I was actually laughing. Well, I can't really debate that. But it's good to laugh. It's also good to THINK.

  • Nov. 19, 2003, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Freestylin dudette-a chick THAT explains it!

    by 900LBGorilla

    A) Yes using spell cehkc WOULD kill me...it hurts to even consider it. B) Leave it to a woman to misquote a guy when his quote is RIGHT in front of her! Hear what you wanna hear...lalala...go read it again...this time slowly enough for the male side of your brain to understand logic....[computer programs that...(I am not even going to waste my time re-typing it)]. C) I have undoubtedly read more books than you....yes including the required philoposhy 101 classes in which you find those "big words"...oooh I'm so impressed...really (wink wink)(really I'm just trying to get into your pants I am not impressed in case you missed that)... D) Wait a minute did you just say "There is no scientific discovery or development that propels the plot" AWESOME! To use you rown sentence (only this time CORRECTLY) - "I guess you the (films) so much you didn't even bother to understand (them)"... Silly little girl (A large monkey effectionately and sympathetically pats a small freestylin' girl on the head) the scientific discovery / development IS THE SUBJECT AND LOCATION OF THE WHOLE FUCKING TRILOGY! HOW the hell did you miss that? The matrix, a computer program that can plug directly into the sensory faculties of human hosts, (which was invented by AI, in order to power large self sufficient robots in a robot city with a huge a futuristic power plant,and are fought against by humans in hover craft ships and battle-bots)...yeah No science here....move along...move along...The Matrix was one of the MOST true films to the Science fiction genre since 2001 (which was also has AI as the primary science BTW). E) The philosophy in these movies....ain't that complicated...if you think it is...I'm sorry...really...it was pretty basic stuff....if only Pavlov were refernced (woah to the poor dog man...always left out!) F) "Programs "becoming human" is just stupid...especially when they are reduceed to getting blowjobs that cause thier wife programs to get jealous...thats more than reaching...it's so pathetic that it's HILARIOUS! G) I am not 16 (and my sister is actually not 6...I said that for effect only)...and yes I KNOW that if I put her online that WOULD MAKE this an intelligent debate...because she could argue your points MUCH more effectively than you have... H) And by now you realize that I do know that in life (and in silly lil' ol' debates) that you win some and lose some...and if you paid attention to the above, you also know by now that your pants are around your ankles at this point (nice bush though honey...glad you shaved for me...I love the arrow look)(come to think of it I recant the 1st part of the statement I'm pretty much undefeated, so although I understand the concept of losing, I have yet to experience it). I) Again showing your estrogen roots, you do not even read a sentence before replying: what I said was: not deal WITH HUMANS in the matrix (in the 2nd/3rd films)...ie. people who are still hooked up...the guys/gals that Neo was supposed to be about to save at the end of episode 1...like 1/2 of the ENTIRE GOAL according to episode 1: to free the people trapped and end the war...not play with programs who hang in clubs all the time and get blow jobs (The ONLY good thing about these stupid programs who apparently serve no purpose other than to look cool, hang out, and talk endlessly about "causality" was the fact that Monica Belluci's tits looked GREAT in Revolutions...actually that was the only good part of the movie). --------- J) I'm glad you found the speeches about humanity--courage; will; choice; control to be thought provoking...unfortunatley they weren't that much deeper than than the SFX (well maybe to my little sister they would be deep)...and were based on silly concepts (that I already have been though above) ...the "causality" speech was in fact the only one that had enough meat on it to avoid sounding like a 12 year old try to come off like Plato. K) Yeah the film is about "testing and questioning the bounds of reality" unfortunatley they already took us there in the original...and their attempt to do it again...was weak...hence the laughter...unfortunatly there was more "stink" than "think" in 2 and 3 (shit other than the architect, 2 didn't have a freaking point).

  • Nov. 19, 2003, 8:26 a.m. CST

    a film

    by megtdog

    I'd agree with the girl who's entry i've just read but i fear her head may be a little to far up her own backside to hear properly. (Why do people feel they need to give a resume to propose an opinion?) I loved the first film but felt dissappointed with the second and third although i did find them both good fun. Is that ok,Or did I not get it? p.s . Girl above. May i suggest you re-read your response before posting.

  • Nov. 19, 2003, 10:13 a.m. CST

    kiko_magna

    by matrix_sux

    Thanks for the info. Now all I have to do is track it down

  • Nov. 22, 2003, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Matrix Recut

    by kiko_magna

    It's fairly easy to track it down. You can find a discussion thread about it at the Sharereactor forums, for example. There's also info where to find the latest codecs for it.

  • Nov. 22, 2003, 2:49 p.m. CST

    matrix revolutions

    by jammybabe

    ok so matrix revolutions doesn't have the answers it leaves you to make your mind up, theirs a religion subtext etc. But what annoys me is the cast and crew have being hyping it up to 'answer all our questions' and 'the conclusion to the story'. Why. They lied. This film feels like Joel silver directed it (that would explain a lot). The waschowskis should get off their asses and record a dvd commentary or do an interview or something so we can find out what the hell it was all about. OR Joel silver should just come out and say that warner bros have begun production on 'the matrix 4:the answers...no really' dissapointed matrix fan.

  • Nov. 22, 2003, 10:16 p.m. CST

    matrix revolutions

    by ftjm

    i was disappointed with this flick honestly it was not a bangup job like RELOADED....hell even the original doesnt come close.... neo dies like a goddamn pansy..wtf.he loses his sight and gets permission to plug into the matrix again? and then you have that stupid machine giving him fatherly advice.....kill agent smith or else....bahahaha what a grand screw up!!! fuck the bin laden comparison of neo that is utter fuckin bullshit neo is a hero of the rebel alliance and not some jerkwad halfass arab-kissin' sand-dune- humping camel jockey!!! and wtf is up with morpheus? why isn't he dead? oh no dont tell me he survives for matrix 4 and then the lil chum who played THE KID in m1 to m3 is gonna take over !!!!!nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! and even that oracle....doesnt look or sound convincing enough...gloria foster who played oracle in m1 & m2, was the real deal.she had that foxy gleam in her eye while chattin to neo a crap ending to a great franchise..... just like terminator 3, revoultions goes to the depths of hell......

  • Nov. 23, 2003, 6:43 p.m. CST

    900LBGorilla

    by Anomaly

    Real classy post dude, way to represent the male population...FUCKHEAD.

  • Nov. 23, 2003, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Anomoly

    by 900LBGorilla

    Uh, Excuse me Anamoly...(maybe Anomly refers the likelihood of you knowing what the fuck you are talking about)? - Why don't you get off your mental ass and go back and read the evolution of the debate between the "lady" and I before you shoot your mouth off...which started with her calling everyone who disagrees with her cracked theories "zit-faced teenagers or socially retarded middle-aged men who use this board to air their adolescent drivel--(who need to) GET LAID, ALREADY" ================================ - I called her on her bullshit, and was responded to with a post titled ": 900lbgorilla...w/ squirrel monkey's brain", and further condescending commentary along the lines of "so what? are you like 16? If so, it's nothing personal. Just a debate. In life you'll learn, you win some and you lose some)" followed by numerous (attempted) points in which she mis-freaking quotes some of my SIMPLE sentences completely (in the midst of getting all lofty and acting like she's the only one to take Psych 101). ================================= Now given that this is the factual chain of events, and I did not start the smear campaign...just ENDED it (and with some sweeet and spicy humor playing the effective male foil to her female/prejudiced position that the rest of us sheep are "zit faced adolescent males who need to get laid" position and rather humorously off the "pants saying", I might add). My response to your drivel is 2-fold: 1) I DO NOT represent the male population...never said I did...I don't get paid for that honor (although if you guys want to start paying me, I may consider becoming your representative) ...what I DO represent is someone who will call a loudmouth on thier BULLSHIT and give them a verbal ass kicking when they beg for it as much as "Freestylin" has ...REGARDLESS of their sex ...I am an equal opportunity ass-kicker. 2) Fuck you, if you are too pussy-whipped to call a woman on her bullshit just because of her sex, then I suggest you get the hell off the internet and do what your girlfriend tells you...go cuddle or take out the freaking trash or do something useful...you wuss.

  • Nov. 23, 2003, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Last post

    by 900LBGorilla

    Should have read philosophy 101...whoop dee do...

  • Nov. 23, 2003, 11:32 p.m. CST

    you can feel free to call someone on their bullshit...

    by Anomaly

    i just think that in this case you went a little far. I did read the buildup to the argument and I know that she said all that crap about being zit-faced and needing to be laid and maybe I just dismissed that as being something that is said by quite a lot of talkbackers. Attack her with your wit, you don't have to resort to offensive comments. Whatever, I just saw your post and it struck a nerve so I immediately posted something and I apologize for calling you a fuckhead. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to take out the trash and go cuddle with my girlfriend.

  • Nov. 24, 2003, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Anomaly

    by 900LBGorilla

    LOL- Well put, I salute you. I did go farther than I normally would have...even though I made that post did the vein of playing the parody she had pigeon holed people with my opinion into (to the hilt apparently). What made me go to that level (other than the fact that I knew the potty mouthed jest of playing said parody would also

  • Nov. 24, 2003, 2:21 p.m. CST

    The smoke from the wreckage of the Matrix franchise.

    by krylite

    From the recent Newsweek articles on ROTK:<spoiler warning> "Judging from a recent NEWSWEEK screening in New Zealand,

  • Nov. 25, 2003, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Matrix Revolutions is to Matrix as Jaws 3-D was to Jaws

    by zildjean

    Reloaded was a bloated, empty gasbag of special effects, but I was willing to give the Bros. W. a chance to redeem themselves with the third outing. It blows. Usually, it takes Dino DeLaurentis to make a sequel this pitiful. The only thing missing was a cute robot sidekick.

  • Nov. 25, 2003, 3:12 p.m. CST

    In three words: 'Flawed but thrilling'

    by Aston Lad

    OK, so Revolutions was never going to win any Oscars for non-technical achievements...but its still a damn exciting film in parts. The scenes where the inhabitants of Zion are fighting off tens of thousands of sentinels was terrifying...can you imagine how scared you'd be, if it was you facing off against a mechanical army that outnumbered you so much, had no fear of death, and kept coming at you faster than you could shoot it down? Intense, spectacular stuff...and Don Davis music is great. It really added atmosphere in the build-up to the big fight in the rain, which admittedly would have been better if it didn't repeat itself quite so much, but was still awesome in most parts. I liked the guy who played Seraph, loved the shootout he, Morpheus and Trinity got involved in just before they entered Club Hell. Flaws? It's got more corny lines and scenes than either of the first two, including a few bits that reminded me of ID4, plus I'm not entirely convinced by the pacing. But plotwise I'm happy with the ending, I don't think it left too much open or unanswered (despite what others say) and overall I had a very good time. It's not better or worse than the first two...just different.

  • Nov. 25, 2003, 11:03 p.m. CST

    My last word on this movie

    by hipsterism

    As far as the story...I felt that it was pretty straight forward. I loved Reloaded and Revolution. Perhaps the only thing I would have changed was the titles. The second should have been called Revolutions and the third Reloaded. The Architect stated how the story would turn out. It wasn

  • Nov. 26, 2003, 5:11 a.m. CST

    MATRIX REVOLUTIONS review

    by turkish_187

    Fair ciomment in your review, and justification also. But i got the feeling that by the end of it the Wachowskis really didnt know what to do with it. They had lost their way by Reloaded. But by revolutions they were just plain stumbling blindly like neo in the dark. This had the potential to be perhaps one of the greatest trilogies of all time, not any more. Perhaps Mr Wachowski's encounters with dominatrixes has clouded his judgement and as a result has produced a cobbled together mess of non-coherence. As for greatest trilogies, step forward Peter JAckson, come 18th december that status will be well secured!

  • Nov. 29, 2003, 1 a.m. CST

    I loved this movie too!!!

    by Deviant Anomaly

    This is my first time posting to Talkback and I have to say, Harry you rock. Let the naysayers be damned! My inner geek loved Revolutions as well! The emotional depth of these beloved characters, the nice blending of special effects into the human element stories and the overall message were revelations after my disappointment in Master and Commander. This is an intelligent film that does not pander to its audience and like life offers no simple answers. A fitting finale to a satisfying trilogy.

  • Nov. 29, 2003, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Misinterpreted symbolism

    by silentdrowning

    Hmmmm, Interesting take on the subtext interpretation Harry. WHAT IF, what if now, the machines actually represent the collective of social pragmatists like yourself; those who see a single unifying truth (religious worldview) as impossible and the only thing that justifies human existence is to feed the utilitarian purposes of society. What if US world dominating capitalism (no im not actually a rightwinger) is actually represented by Neo. What if Ayn Rand was right and Huxley (good soma reference by someone) was close. What J.C. is actually represent by Smith and twists the humanism of the freed 'Zionites' to good and Smith is evil? (This of course barring the obvious Christ references by Neo trought the series, particularly in the end of Revoluciones. That has a cool zing to it, the latin flair of Matrix: Revoluciones. Free will is funny thing when you realize that you can choose, with it, something that is a lie or a deceit.

  • Nov. 30, 2003, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Yes, it was good

    by afa

    I disagree with all the people claiming that Revolutions sucks. I admit Reloaded was disappointing, but Revolutions made up for it. It was a pretty darn good movie, perhaps not as exhilirating as the first one, but thats expected. Matrix was new, with groundbreaking special effects and cinematography, which has since then been copied by many movies and so isn't new anymore. But Revolutions came pretty close (for me) in terms of making me feel like I felt after the first movie. The only major complaint I have, is that they left too many loose ends. Harry claims its because of the mystery aspect and stuff, but I can't help but feel its a copout, and they left it that way because they didn't KNOW the answers themselves. Somethings I didn't ger: the machines stopped the war, but are they going to release the humans? Its kinda counterproductive if the humans are still pods isn't it? And are they gonna keep Neo? And what was the whole deal with Smith taking over Oracle, then Neo, then dying, and the Oracle lying in his place???

  • Nov. 30, 2003, 5:53 p.m. CST

    If I had to guess...

    by Fasu

    ...I'd say this script was a program from the machine world. After all, programs only do what they are designed to do, and the events in this movie don't seem to obey any reason, doing only what the writers require. Neo has superspeed in the first Matrix when fighting, but doesn't in the sequels. Why not? Because the script requires he doesn't. He can manipulate "objects" in the Matrix (pulling weapons towards him in mansion fight) but can't use "the force" to keep the door open when the Twin is closing it on him. Why not? Because the script requires he can't. He can fly at superspeed, but can't fly through this same door when it's closing. Why not? The script requires the not be able to. Zion keeps only the most ineffective weapons as their last line of defense while sending out all their EMPS. Who cares if they fire an EMP and it fries their DVD players and microwaves. Why don't the do this? Because the script requires they don't. Oh, the list goes on and on...

  • Dec. 6, 2003, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Fasu

    by 900LBGorilla

    Exactly...good points... and further telling evidence that the Bothers Wack really DIDN'T have anything left to say after M-1 (Well other than we would like more money please)... "Planned as a trilogy" my ass.

  • Dec. 24, 2003, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Your review is well written but ultimately empty

    by Hellstorm

    Empty Empty Lets all pull lint out of our navels and study it. I'm late to reply on the movie, but I've seen it twice, The second because somoe of my loser-ish friends believe in the mumbo jumbo you wrote - Yeah yeah yeah: symbolism symbolism: climb into your navel and cogitate innovate ressusitate and regurgitate - I outgrew that "reality is your subjective view of the world" crap a long time ago - you should too. The movie sucked - You cannot exist in harmony with this machine - you are either the battery or a free entity - The first movie was great with the premise on ending that the Matrix had been dealt a serious blow and humanity would soon be in for the fight of it's life to reclaim the planet The the second movie, not as innovative but with much more 'action' seemed to be setting us up for a "final battle" to decide how we are to live The this piece of refuse comes out and we find ourselves back in the old navel again. No thanks NOT buying the DVD NOT seeing it again Alien Resurrection, T2, T3, ANYTHING would and was easier to swallow and enjoy than this thing Can we review stuff like this on the Shirly McClaine site please ? thanks for listening - Occasionaly someone here writes a mean review but we gotta curb this fuzzy navel shit.

  • Dec. 25, 2003, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Revolutions is better than ROTK.

    by TheSumOfGod

    The Matrix trilogy is better than the LOTR trilogy.

  • Jan. 7, 2004, 7:54 a.m. CST

    allegory

    by kiko_magna

    Hellstorm: so you think that the only way to be is to "kill or be killed"? I think that is the exact problem of the western ideology. Let's all be democratic as long as you talk like us, buy from us, think like us and pray like us. Why don't you try and apply the movie to the US vs. Middle-East conflict and already the movie makes a pretty damn good point. The role of The Animatrix, specifically The Second Renaissance, was to show the other side of the coin. It was the people who opressed machines first... Also, in the first movie, the rebels that everybody identifies with and understands, are actually called terrorists by Agent Smith. I think the whole trilogy is very important but it's messages have not yet been widely accepted. After all, we are all potential agents in the system, etc.

  • Jan. 31, 2004, 12:40 a.m. CST

    sperm

    by kermitdafraugue

    This movie reminded me of one thing...sperm. And it just kept coming/cumming? I mean seriously, those little machines just flew around defing gravity, and the giant one was like the egg that the little machines/sperm were trying to pentrate. Over all the movie sucked ass. The only decent part was the Agent Smith/Neo fight, but I could have downloaded that off the internet for free and kept my seven bucks.

  • This is clearly not the steaming pile of shit that the tomato meter makes this out to be.

  • it is often (one) with christianity in the real world. It is likely that the rebel alliance and the machines were created in mind without subtext related to the real world.

  • Feb. 27, 2004, 4:55 a.m. CST

    meh!

    by bonesMD

    say what you will about the third. but i like the first one alot thought the second one was good but apperently the third one barely even envolves the actually matrix where shit bends incorecctly and everybody like to walk slow and stop moving at all if the want. so it's definatly a renter

  • March 6, 2004, 9:39 p.m. CST

    LAST!!!

    by 900LBGorilla

  • April 3, 2004, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Maybe Not

    by Doobiedoo

    Took me a while to like this movie, finally seeing it at home on DVD with a glass of wine I have learned to love it.

  • April 4, 2004, 10:49 p.m. CST

    4.4.04 Two days before Revolutions DVD release...

    by Darth Sticky

    Hi gang, I'm sitting here watching Matrix Reloaded on dvd. Revolutions has been out and gone from theaters for a while now. LOTR won its Oscars and I just saw Ladykillers and Hellboy over the past couple days. I don't feel complete yet. I have not seen Revolutions yet. I considered myself a huge Matrix fan, but friends' utter disappointment with the movie discouraged me from seeing it. I missed it in budget cinemas and I'm chomping at the bit to finally see Revolutions. In two days I shall. Like Harry said, I'll be sitting in my living room chanting "please be cool"...however, those of you who have seen it already already know. So don't tell me. Oh...and the first person who reads this post will get a free movie poster if you e-mail climptone@hotmail.com and write RE: REVOLUTIONS in the subject, and then write your address in the body copy, I'll send you a double sided movie poster, but what movie, you'll have to see later (you'll just have to be surprised)... and what the hell...its free...

  • April 6, 2004, 10:47 p.m. CST

    The day of the Revolutions dvd release...

    by Darth Sticky

    Just saw Revolutions for the first time. I guess since I went into it with such low expectations I was okay with it. It wasn't everything I thought it was supposed to be, but it was okay. I figured since Smith had to die, of course Neo had to die...otherwise there'd be no balance. Too bad there was barely any of Persephone...she has nice booblees. Anyhoo...its all done...everyone's dead or not being attacked by machines...I'm guessing Silver is gonna milk some more blood outta this stone...i'm guessing we'll see more sequels/prequels/parallel stories...great...who cares anymore.

  • May 20, 2004, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Computer Games

    by mccabe

    This film sucks the spunk out of old mens cocks at a dirty railway station in the East End of London. It then coughs up some of the aformentioned jism and expels it onto the platform - only for an old lady to slip on it and hit her wrinkled right tit on the side of a young mans luggage. The young man curses her, she swears back - and they being a long embrace which leads to a rape. If the Krapowski brothers want to make computer games - then the Polock bastards should learn how to program. If they want to make films they should learn how to live. This is a lot worse than GTA Vice City.

  • May 20, 2004, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Cant resist.

    by logansden

    decided a while back that i wasn't going to voice an opinion on the Matrix or its sequels. but after reading the above i've got to vent. It was shit alright. All you little fan boys that thought it was great just admit you were cheated by a once decent franchise. (gotta admit the first one will stand the test of time. Except for 2 crappy effects shots and some seriously bad continuity its flawless) So stop bitchin' admit you got stiffed and stop trying to polish this turd. You want further proof? watch Assasins. Oh surprise surprise another wachowski piece of shit. Joe pantoliano, well done for asking for a pay increase. your greediness saved you from a fate worse than "THE ARCHITECT" (by the way the handler was really cool)you want to see a decent matrix sequel? watch the MTV rip off with Justin timberlake and Seann william scott (its on the region 2 disk) its not as funny but it makes more sense and you clearly hear teen pin up Timberlake say "SHIT" (GASP the humanity, he's a teen idol)

  • May 20, 2004, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Cant resist.

    by logansden

    decided a while back that i wasn't going to voice an opinion on the Matrix or its sequels. but after reading the above i've got to vent. It was shit alright. All you little fan boys that thought it was great just admit you were cheated by a once decent franchise. (gotta admit the first one will stand the test of time. Except for 2 crappy effects shots and some seriously bad continuity its flawless) So stop bitchin' admit you got stiffed and stop trying to polish this turd. You want further proof? watch Assasins. Oh surprise surprise another wachowski piece of shit. Joe pantoliano, well done for asking for a pay increase. your greediness saved you from a fate worse than "THE ARCHITECT" (by the way the handler was really cool)you want to see a decent matrix sequel? watch the MTV rip off with Justin timberlake and Seann william scott (its on the region 2 disk) its not as funny but it makes more sense and you clearly hear teen pin up Timberlake say "SHIT" (GASP the humanity, he's a teen idol)

  • Nov. 8, 2005, 1:29 a.m. CST

    funny

    by jrbarker

  • March 17, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Wake up.

    by thebearovingian

    thebearovingian has you.

  • April 29, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    If a TBer writes a post in a dead TB, does it ever get read?

    by thebearovingian

    Yes, if the original poster can actually remember or find where he/she/it posted two months ago and is a big enough loser to go back and read his/her/its own comment. That said, thebearovingian made me laugh.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:12 a.m. CST

    threbearovingian

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    &thinsp;&thinsp;&thinsp;<br>YES!

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Funny post bear...

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    &thinsp;&thinsp;&thinsp;<br><br>Cool name btw...

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 3:16 a.m. CST

    One more

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    &thinsp;&thinsp;&thinsp;<br><br>&bull; Was curious...