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STAR WARS SPECIAL EDITION print has been enhanced!

Hey folks, Harry here... got this report in on the screening of STAR WARS SPECIAL EDITION that was part of that really cool festival we told you about. Well, not only did Lucasfilm not let them show the original, but technically, the print that was shown has been changed since we last saw it. The light saber thing sounds reasonable... but cg clouds in front of one of the binary sunsets... makes me nervous, I have loved that shot forever... sigh... whatever, maybe next time it screens he can put a flock of toucans flying out there.

Harry,

Today I attended that screening of Star Wars: Special Edition here in L.A. at the City of Angels Film Festival. As you mentioned on your site, this was the Special Edition print, not the original cut. Special Edition or not, it's always cool to see Star Wars on the big screen.

But there was something unusual about this screening.

This was not the Special Edition print that is on VHS. There were changes in this print - specifically, the lightsabers in the Obi/Vader duel were enhanced. This has been a nitpicky thing since the SEs were released: why didn't they fix the rotoscoping on the lightsabers? Well, in this print (which, strangely, was not a new looking print) the sabers WERE fixed. Obi-Wan's saber was brilliant blue and Vader's saber was bright red (not white) in every shot - even in the shot as the blast doors are closing. In the shot where Ben's saber is pointed at the camera (where it suddenly looks like a stick) it was correctly filled in and had a glorious blue glow. I wasn't imagining things because the guy next to me immediately whispered, "Did you see that?!"

There was one other minor change as well. In the first binary sunset shot as Luke is walking out of the homestead, the lower right sun had CG clouds passing in front of it. I came home and checked my VHS copy -- no clouds. It seems a few changes were slipped into this print since the initial release.

Perhaps this seems like minor stuff, but the lightsabers have bothered me for years. I'm happy to report they HAVE been fixed. Hopefully soon, everyone else will get a chance to see it on DVD.

If you use this, call me Darklighter.

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  • Oct. 27, 2003, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Free Hat!

    by Lance Turk

    I think GL should be forced to watch that episode of South Park before he touches another one of his old movies again.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Lucas could make Greedo shoot TWICE!

    by Dart Voldemort

    Lucas could make Greedo shoot TWICE before he is killed by Han Solo. That would be so cool!

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Those should have been the only changes made in the first place!

    by GravyAkira

    Those CG X-Wing enhancments were very nice though. But Han not shooting first?

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 3:28 a.m. CST

    John Ratzenberger shot first!

    by The Data

    lukas should add the mr potato head from toystory into empire.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 3:29 a.m. CST

    I'm fifth!

    by Rock n Roll Neil

    Robertmania, Brother1

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Just what the 'original' trilogy needs

    by Conan_the_Humble

    more tinkering. Good way to disenchant your fan base GL. Cheers.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Reasonable changes

    by Bcphil

    It's nice to see that Lucas is putting in all the reasonable things like this that makes sense. Why the clouds were necessary is beyond me. The real question is, did they fix the DeathStar clock that was always out of sync?

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 4:02 a.m. CST

    did they fix the DeathStar clock that was always out of sync?

    by The Data

    george luka$ sets all the clocks in his movies to "4:20"

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 4:17 a.m. CST

    neato

    by Darth Melkor

    Now if they can just get rid of the jerky lightsaber ingition on the Millenium Falcon.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 4:35 a.m. CST

    :(

    by Indiana Clones

    Does George Lucas even LIKE Star Wars?

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Data

    by Bcphil

    All clocks in Pulp Fiction are set at 4:20, not Star Wars.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Out of Sync clocks

    by Snake-eyes

    Yeah that always used to bug the hell out of me. I always used to afford myself a little smile that there was an 'Empire' so advanced that they created a space station the size of a moon that can literally destroy worlds yet somehow they'd forgotten to set their clocks to Greenwich Mean Time! But seriously, Lucas should have fixed that too. Glad to hear the lightsabers were 'fixed' though, that was always a let-down, especially given how they look in the new films. You see, I dont mind little changes like that, but DONT get me started on the whole 'Greedo et al debacles'!!!!!! *seethes*

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Actually, Greedo DOES shoot 3 times before he his blown away

    by Brody Armstrong

    I am not lying, i am not mistaken, and i am not joking. Its 100% truth. Check your Star Wars SE tape and go to the Greedo shooting first scene. Watch it in SLOW MO. The odd thing is is that Greedo shoots THREE times, but the first two lasers do not make a mark in the wall at all.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 4:59 a.m. CST

    He fucked with the twin sunsets shot. He has to die.

    by Cash Bailey

    And don't think for a second that Lucas won't completely erase puppet Yoda from EMPIRE and JEDI. Frank Oz's stunning work will now be credited to a bunch of pixel-pushers at ILM.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 5:36 a.m. CST

    The duel...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...was always the thing that bugged me the most about the SE. Why didn't he fix that first time around? Apart from that, leave it alone. No CGI Obi-Wan and Darth flipping in a Yoda stylee, thank you very much.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 5:56 a.m. CST

    CGI Obi Vader duel

    by Bcphil

    Actually i am quite the fan of adding some CGI shots of Obi and Vader dueling. If you think about it, after watching the PT it's a little hard to watch ANH and see Obi dueling so poorly. Adding some CGI flips and such would be a nice way to add something to the movie. I would like to see a scene where Obi does a flip towards Vader but Vader uses the force to push him back, this would directly proceed the "Your powers are weak old man.." quote.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Carrie!

    by radjac29

    Does Luke still yell "Carrie!" when he comes back from blowin up the death star?

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 6:10 a.m. CST

    re: Obi-Wan vs Darth

    by DocPazuzu

    Actually, I read a very thorough explanation somewhere (possibly Star Wars Insider) as to why that duel seems so static compared to the heyday of the Jedi. If I recall it correctly it mostly had to do with Obi-Wan being old, feeble and rusty in the ways of the Force and Vader being much less flexible due to large portions of his body being mechanical and still being wracked with horrible pain from his old injuries. I'm willing to go with that. It would also explain how Luke, an amateur Jedi at best, would be able to beat down his old man in a brutal rage rather than with skill.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 6:11 a.m. CST

    bang bang Greedo shot me down

    by CuervoJones

    broke my heart

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 6:11 a.m. CST

    I Am Sooooo Glad

    by ICMRoadkill1

    Every day that goes by in Lucas' world, I'm glad I already took my widescreen laserdiscs of the original trilogy and dumped 'em off on DVD. The way things are going, I'm fairly certain I may be the last to have them in their original form.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Are you fucking kidding me? Jesus, George Lucas is the most inse

    by CoolDan989

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Must...resist...urge...

    by chrth

    Anywho...glad they fixed the sabers, now if they'll only fix the Rancor scene in ROTJ I'll be happy...oh, and Luke never said 'Carrie', that's an urban legend. The official site has the complete story...they need to add Hulk Hogan to the scene in the Cantina "I'll fly you to Alderaan, brother!"

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 6:31 a.m. CST

    He DOESN'T say "Carrie"...

    by Masamune

    He says "Hey!". Get a fucking hearing aid.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 6:37 a.m. CST

    I saw the same screening...

    by gangstah

    and he left out a TON of stuff. First, Han Solo is now played by Edward James Olmos. Luke Skywalker is a woman (really really really hot) and she has sex with Chewbacca who is now played by Richard Hatch. The title was changed from A New Hope to A New "Retelling" of A New Hope.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 7:28 a.m. CST

    WOW, im SOOO glad they fixed that LightSaber Scene, Now I can fo

    by Rcamacho2278

    you know, we talkbackers all have shit to say about movies, but really, sometimes we are right, sometimes we are wrong, but there is nothing more pathetic then reading news on star wars. It's so sad what THAT franchise has become compared to other movies people find disappointment in, and you can't argue. the FANS keep the universe more interesting than it's very own creator has done in the past 10 years. what's even worse is lucas is going to Destroy another franchise with indiana jones 4.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 7:41 a.m. CST

    On a planet with twin suns, would there be enough moisture in th

    by Boris the Blade

    On a planet as dry as Hepburn's cooch, one that needs moisture vaporators, GL decides he needs to have clouds. Yet another briliiant move....

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 7:50 a.m. CST

    I wish people would quit picking on George

    by Bcphil

    Captain First doe snot like this constant assault on Lucas. EVERY change he has made to the Original Trilogy has been sadly needed. I can't wait for him to fix the duel between Obi and Vader in ANH and add some real Jedi moves like flips and stuff, that will own. The rancor needs to be fixed and Vader needs to disappear. I would also replace that wack ass puppet Yoda with the new CGI one from Clones, it looks a lot better. Then they could actually have Yoda doing moves during Luke's training.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Greedo

    by Grey19

    Quit whining about Greedo shooting first, in the next editions Lucas'll probably insert some shots of a CGI Greedo backflipping out of his seat, flying around the cantina six times before firing first at Han using a sniper rifle before Obi Wan morphs into Ewan McGregor and has a 12 minute long lightsabre battle with a CG Luke whilst the Ewoks and Jar Jar do some stupid song and dance number. Although personally I have no problem with the SEs, face it some of the effects needed to be fixed (the X-wings in IV, the fact you could see through the snowspeeder cockpits in V, etc) although maybe it's because I wasn't born when the films were out the first time round and as a result I don't have the big connection with the originals that some do. Also, I seem to remember a quote "Movies are never completed, they are abandoned" (or something like that) I think Lucas is just trying to get his movies as finished as he possibly can.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 7:52 a.m. CST

    by Darth Tedious

    Fair play to GL for improving the lightsabres, but if he's so concerned with improving old movies why doesn't he fuck about with Howard The Duck and The Radioland Murders? And it's probably been said before but I vote for Hulk Hogan as Vader in the new, improved Empire, "No Luke, I am your Father, Brother."

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 8:05 a.m. CST

    They should assign version numbers to these re-releases

    by ZaphodBB

    I think George Look(like an)ass should start assigning version numbers to each successive re-release of his perpetually incomplete films. You know, like software does ... a major change (like a total re-interpretational Greedo scene) would get a single dot increase (ie. Episode IV.2) and a minor change (like a stupid sunset cloud) would warrant a double dot increase (ie. Episode IV.2.7). I think that by the time ol' Georgy is ready to retire he'll have polished up his original masterpiece so much (Episode IV.426.1138.94) that original fans won't even recognize it!

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 9:23 a.m. CST

    tinkering with star wars

    by angolafashions

    I think y'all are looking at this wrong. SO Lucas is still tinkering with star wars, fixing all the faults as he sees it. Well he's releasing the DVDs after Episode III screens, which i can only imagine will be the DEFINITIVE VERSION (as far as he's concerned). My prediction is, that he will then move on to Episodes I-III and tinker them until a new broadcast format becomes available. think about it- we could see a watchable version/enhanced edition of THE PHANTOM MENACE as soon as 2007- with lazy racial stereotypes (gungans, that watto thing, (those aussie clones) enhanced into lazy racial stereotypes with re-rendered cloth dynamics, Ewen McGregor digitally enhanced so as to NOT look like he can't act against bluescreen and the whole print reenhanced on different film stock so as not to look like an oversaturated cartoony mess. There is NO way that Lucas (or anyone) thinks the Original trilogy is flawed but the 2nd trilogy is perfect... now stop yer moaning people.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Did Obi-Wan Do Any Backflips?

    by CHEWBLACCA

    That lightsaber thing has bothered me for 26 years.Now I can sleep at night.Thank you George.Now fix that cruddy Jabba.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 9:24 a.m. CST

    tinkering with star wars

    by angolafashions

    I think y'all are looking at this wrong. SO Lucas is still tinkering with star wars, fixing all the faults as he sees it. Well he's releasing the DVDs after Episode III screens, which i can only imagine will be the DEFINITIVE VERSION (as far as he's concerned). My prediction is, that he will then move on to Episodes I-III and tinker them until a new broadcast format becomes available. think about it- we could see a watchable version/enhanced edition of THE PHANTOM MENACE as soon as 2007- with lazy racial stereotypes (gungans, that watto thing, (those aussie clones) enhanced into lazy racial stereotypes with re-rendered cloth dynamics, Ewen McGregor digitally enhanced so as to NOT look like he can't act against bluescreen and the whole print reenhanced on different film stock so as not to look like an oversaturated cartoony mess. There is NO way that Lucas (or anyone) thinks the Original trilogy is flawed but the 2nd trilogy is perfect... now stop yer moaning people.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Sad these fans make me...

    by Bcphil

    I have said it again and again, but every change made was necessary and works better for the story. Greedo shooting first makes Han even more of a bad ass because he was able to collect himself and shoot back, there is nothing wrong with that shot. All the models that were replaced with CGI look a million times better. I would like to see all the movies of the OT get more CGI and updated effects as it will mesh better with the prequels. Enhancing the Obi vs. Vader duel is a good first step, adding an aged Hayden and replacing Sebastian is another very good idea that work quite well. People need to quit bitching at Lucas and realize he is making NEEDED changes that are improving the series considerably.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 11:27 a.m. CST

    I hope Lucas enhances the CG in the song and dance number that w

    by MillDaKill

    by digitaly editing it out! Good god what was he thinkging.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 11:27 a.m. CST

    The reviewer missed something

    by Lord Shatner

    In the enhanced print Grando Calrissian's Falcon has been given a wax job

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 11:31 a.m. CST

    by Cappybeara

    I wish that i had bought the OT on laserdisk. I wish that I had bought a laserdisk player for that matter, but given that I have a good VHS copy that I can hopefully burn to DVD soon, l don't mind most of the changes that were made. my problem is that if your'e going to change them, then make them look good. I don't care who shot first, it just LOOKS wrong. The same goes for the Jabba scene. I wanted that scene in the movie but it looks like crap. So bring on the definative versions after Ep3. Put Padme in Jedi, make OB1 and Darth do cartwheels, or whatever else could be added, but make sure that we get what we want as well, like the Biggs scene and the other extra stuff left on the cutting room flor from ANH.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 11:33 a.m. CST

    George can do what he wants, but...

    by Cappybeara

    I wish that i had bought the OT on laserdisk. I wish that I had bought a laserdisk player for that matter, but given that I have a good VHS copy that I can hopefully burn to DVD soon, l don't mind most of the changes that were made. my problem is that if your'e going to change them, then make them look good. I don't care who shot first, it just LOOKS wrong. The same goes for the Jabba scene. I wanted that scene in the movie but it looks like crap. So bring on the definative versions after Ep3. Put Padme in Jedi, make OB1 and Darth do cartwheels, or whatever else could be added, but make sure that we get what we want as well, like the Biggs scene and the other extra stuff left on the cutting room floor from ANH.

  • "Use the force, brother!"

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Now matter what changes are made, Episodes 4-6 still blow every

    by Atticus Finch

    Including Lord of the Rings, even though LOTR is awesome.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 1:15 p.m. CST

    clouds were always there

    by Chuck L Nuts

    I have the original laserdisc version, the clouds in front of the second sun are clearly visible.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 2:13 p.m. CST

    I raped my OWN childhood!

    by rev_skarekroe

    Little slut had it coming... sk

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 2:15 p.m. CST

    George Lucas buttraped my dead grandma

    by episode2sucked

    Someone needs to take his toys away from him and give him a timeout in the corner.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 2:24 p.m. CST

    I sent the report

    by Highlighter

    I'm the one who saw the screening and sent Harry the report. Let me clear up the sunset shot thing. In the original cut there are two shots of the sunset -- one as Luke is exiting the homestead and then his POV. In the original version, there are clouds drifting in front of the lower right sun of Luke's POV. There are NOT clouds in the shot of Luke walking out of the homestead. The change was a continuity change to make the first shot match the second. That is all. No big deal. It looked great. No need for heavy sighs and whining. Personally, I think its hysterical that Harry complained about this being an SE print, convincing some people to stay away, and it ends up being a screening of a print that no one else has seen!

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Blow other trilogies away? I don't know...

    by minderbinder

    The first two are pretty untouchable, but Jedi kinda goes down the toilet.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 3:41 p.m. CST

    George can do what he wants, but...

    by Cappybeara

    I wish that i had bought the OT on laserdisk. I wish that I had bought a laserdisk player for that matter, but given that I have a good VHS copy that I can hopefully burn to DVD soon, l don't mind most of the changes that were made. my problem is that if your'e going to change them, then make them look good. I don't care who shot first, it just LOOKS wrong. The same goes for the Jabba scene. I wanted that scene in the movie but it looks like crap. So bring on the definative versions after Ep3. Put Padme in Jedi, make OB1 and Darth do cartwheels, or whatever else could be added, but make sure that we get what we want as well, like the Biggs scene and the other extra stuff left on the cutting room floor from ANH.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 3:43 p.m. CST

    George can do what he wants, but...

    by Cappybeara

    I can hopefully burn to DVD soon, l don't mind most of the changes that were made. my problem is that if your'e going to change them, then make them look good. I don't care who shot first, it just LOOKS wrong. The same goes for the Jabba scene. I wanted that scene in the movie but it looks like crap. So bring on the definative versions after Ep3. Put Padme in Jedi, make OB1 and Darth do cartwheels, or whatever else could be added, but make sure that we get what we want as well, like the Biggs scene and the other extra stuff left on the cutting room floor from ANH.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 5:27 p.m. CST

    oh dear

    by TS Thomas

    In Special Edition 2.0 ILM have used photoshop to show that it was you who bared your anus to George Lucas first as opposed to him just raping you.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 7:07 p.m. CST

    nobody is saying that Lucas "has no right" to fuck with his movi

    by magyarman

    .....well, nobody who isn't an ass-clown. Obviously he can do whatever he wants. We're just saying that it's stupid and he is making himself look like more and more of an ass. Although I must say, fucking with the twin-sunset scene has to be a all-time low for the Jowled-One.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 7:17 p.m. CST

    George Lucas

    by ekr1701

    I am soooooo Sick of u idiot Mfers crying everytime George Lucas changes something in the Star Wars Trilogy ...... They are his FUCKING MOVIES, he can have the Millineum Falcon, go in to a Nova For all i care.... U idiots are STILL BUYING THE ACTION FIGURES < going to see the Prequels.......If u Hate him and them so much STOP SUPPORTING HIS BILLION DOLLAR Corporation... LUCASFILM, ILM. THX>>>>>>>ECT... stop acting like the nerds u are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Greedo was actually shooting at a sand fly on the wall behind Ha

    by Darth_Inedible

    Did they fix Jabba? the original Dark Forces had CG cutscenes that were more convincing than that crap.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Why not replace HAYDEN with a digitally-created younger version

    by magyarman

    I think that's definitely the better option of the two.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 7:48 p.m. CST

    And when did HULK HOGAN gain cult status here at aicn?

    by magyarman

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 7:49 p.m. CST

    one final question: Will Harry/this website ever be able to liv

    by magyarman

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Luke *did* say "Carrie!"

    by quim

    About ten years ago I saw the original trilogy on the big screen at a charity event. These were not the special editions as they were not done yet and in fact the print of A New Hope was original. I know this because it did not have C-3PO's narration when they search for the tractor beam. In this print, when Luke climbs down from his X Wing and Leia comes running, he yelled "Carrie!" It was plain as day and unmistakable and I heard it with my own ears. With all the changes that Lucas has made to the movie, is it that inconceivable that he decided early on to correct this error in the video and subsequent prints of the movie by over dubbing it with "Heyayyay" or whatever Luke now says?

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 8:11 p.m. CST

    actually...

    by ReDWasK

    not all the clocks in Pulp are set to 4:20, and the comment made about it neat the beginning was obviously a joke...

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 8:34 p.m. CST

    LASER AND BETA RULE!

    by LT Weezie

    Now I know why I smile smugly... that I have three laserdisc players (two combo-DVD/LD/CD) and all Pioneer...now I know why I put out the big bucks in 1982 for a 10 foot Kloss Novabeam and then had it totally upgraded two years ago and with a top of the line surround system...now I know why I am and always will be a Beta tape devotee(I have over 7000 Beta tapes dating from 1977--yes, original SW commercials, interviews, and even the infamous STAR WARS HOLIDAY SPECIAL..(all VHS is good for is time-shifting) it is because that entertainment is just that SOMETHING A HELL OF A LOT OF FUN TO WATCH AND EXPERIENCE AND DISCUSS....that is what SW/ST/SCI-FI/AICN is all about...I enjoy every version and the blooper spotting....and having been part of the magic and appearing in the first STAR TREK film as an Enterprise science department lieutenant and spending so much time watching the product unfold live and in person just makes it even more special...so give GL a break...Hey, SW made money for me...I bought stock in Fox after the first day it opened at $9 a share and just sold it for a tidy sum! THANX GEORGE!

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Binary Sunset...

    by Darth Thoth

    Honestly is one of the most powerful and enduring scenes of the entire saga. This man is going too far and it's getting ridiculous. The man is unchecked. All jokes aside, the next step for him really could be replacing Empire Yoda with CG Yoda. As a fan who grew up on these movies, it really does sadden me to see how much SW has fallen from grace and how hell bent Lucas seems to be in ruining the original trilogy. This crap has got to stop! Just give me my original trilogy (no s.e.) on dvd and do whatever you want with your movies!

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 9:26 p.m. CST

    I don't have any objection to Lucas making changes...

    by FrankDrebin

    ...what I object to is his making a few changes so we have to buy a new DVD, then making a few more changes so we have to buy another DVD, then adding some features so we have to buy yet another DVD, then color correcting some scenes so we have to buy still another DVD, then enhacing the effects so we have to buy one more DVD, then tweaking the sound so we have to buy still one move DVD, then adding some scenes so we have to buy still yet one more DVD, then looping new dialog so we have to buy still yet another DVD... If he had made all the changes together, I would have believed he was trying to improve the film. But this is just mercenary. He's poisoned the name STAR WARS for me.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 9:31 p.m. CST

    CHILL, HARRY

    by boneheaddd

    Really...if Lucas wants to tweak the films the way he wants, why should you care. I LOVE hearing that there are new touches added and that the lightsabers in the Death Star duel are FINALLY fixed. Two generations removed from now, the Special or Ultimate editions are the only ones anyone will know...and what's wrong with that? If you created these films and had the means to make them more the way you envisioned them, wouldn't you be compelled to complete them. Oh, but wait...you're not a director...a frustrated one, maybe. Or an impotent one. Let go of your blinding nostalgia.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 9:32 p.m. CST

    they should put the tie fighters in the trench

    by jethroc

    At the end of IV when they are flying through the trench it has always even from the first time I saw the movie bugged me that you don't see the tie fighters closing in behind Luke's ship when they do the shot's looking back at it. Is the story true I heard that the first time IV was in the theatres it didn't have the A New Hope subtitle? that they added it for the re-release a year later when the sequel was written?

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 9:40 p.m. CST

    George Loser

    by wo8j

    Geoge Lucas may be the most overated film maker in history. Star Wars is kept alive and interesting by die-hard fans, but I really don't understand why. He keeps tweaking with the movies because schmucks keep spending money to get a DVD with 2 minutes of added CGI. He's not trying to fix anything, he's trying to milk the franchise until it's completely dead. Too bad morons the world over will keep giving him money to release things like "Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace: Director's Cut: Re-issue of the Re-vamping of The Original Idea. Now Featuring 37 seconds of never before seen crappy CGI and obvious blue screen and horrible acting from promising actors who's careers we ruined by putting them in this B quality movie with a $200 million budget."

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 9:41 p.m. CST

    I WILL PAY!...

    by pax256

    50$ to the first guy who edits special edition a new hope with the OLD original gweedo scene, edit OUT the crap jabba scene and FIX the missing center beam from the firing of the death star... The rest I dont really care about... Id expect the inclusion of scenes to be from weak vhs (was there a laserdisc version of star wars?) but the rest should be from dvd and photoshop :)...

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 9:49 p.m. CST

    how about CGI ewoks

    by jethroc

    I'd like to see CGI ewoks. The midgets in suits remind me too much of those dog-like covers people put on kleenex boxes. Oh, and why not airbrush out Prowse's eyes which are visible behind the mask in some shots where he's flying the tie fighter? And fix that shot where he's waving his finger at Tarkin and stops talking but the finger keeps waggling as if he's still talking? If they put the Biggs scene in at the start of IV I will definitely have to buy it again.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 10:17 p.m. CST

    George Lucas Is A Fucking Kook

    by GasHead

    That's about all I have to say.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Call this thing Udder Wars, 'cuz lucas is milking this thing

    by DonkeyPunch

    He is going to put an extra special edition and people will flock to see better sabers and clouds. I am sick of him and am not looking forward to the next installment after repeat viewings of AOTC.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 10:25 p.m. CST

    WHEN DID HULK HOGAN GAIN CULT STATUS? Hard to say, brother

    by NotchJohnson

    <<<And when did HULK HOGAN gain cult status here at aicn?>>>> Notch here. I'll like to say that I enjoy these "HULK HOGAN BROTHER" jokes, because they seemed to precede Hulk Hogan's REAL comeback in the WWE in 2002. If you told me in mid-2001 that Hulk Hogan would be resurrected as a larger-than-life WWE champion, filling up arenas and helping rock WrestleManias, I'd have said you were nuts. But when Hogan took on Rock at Mania 18, and began a long-term comeback....INCLUDING MR. AMERICA, BROTHER!!, I marked out again. (By that term "mark out," I began to watch wrestling PRETENDING that it was real, so I'd get really into it when Hogan/Mr. America ran into the ring or so forth). Hulk Hogan is a larger than life, figure. No matter how cynical I get, no matter how much life can suck, no matter how FAKE AND FALSE wrestling is, it's still cool to watch old tapes when someone like King Kong Bundy is raising hell, and you just KNOW that when Hogan enters the ring, there's gonna be a big payback and Bundy is gonna be on the canvas at the end. Notch out. (P.S., insert Hulk Hogan into the Return of the Jedi shuttle clearance scene...."Do they have a code clearence, brother?!")

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 11:21 p.m. CST

    What GL is thinking right about now...

    by killedmymonkey

    George Lucas sits in his office, staring up at the wall. He looks up and notices the wallpaper is peeling in the corner. He eats a bowl of fritos and bean dip, calls the handyman to come fix the peeling wallpaper and then he turns to his desk. "Hmm..." he mumbles. "Today, I think I'll add some happy little clouds to the sunset scene on Tatooine," he thinks in his head, while punching up his phone to call his buddy Rob Coleman at ILM. "Hey, Rob," George says, "I want you to add some clouds to that sunset scene on Tatooine" "WHAT?" screams Rob back at George "You want to add clouds to the FUCKING SUNSET SCENE? Are you on dope, George?" "Ummm... yeah" replies George, casually. "You know, I think it'll make A New Hope more complete, you know, make it a prettier movie. Besides, I can't resist the temptation to keep fucking with what once was the most loved film franchise in history and changing everything. You know, the fanboys are gonna LOVE this shit, Rob!" Rob replies with a hesitant tone, "But George, don't you realize if you keep fucking with this film that you're going to be crucified and despised by every Star Wars fan in the world? I mean, we pushed shit far enough with the Greedo shooting first thing, but... man, fucking CLOUDS on TATOOINE?" "Listen, asswipe," George says with a threatening tone, "Who pays the bills, Coleman? Huh, who's your daddy bitch? Yeah, that's what I thought. So you shut the fuck up, Coleman and give me some goddamn clouds fucking NOW! I don't give a shit if anyone thinks I raped and pillaged their childhood and destroyed 'their' fucking film! Don't you realize I can make clouds on Tatooine and mindless fanboys caught in the past will still flock to theaters to see fucking clouds for ten bucks a head when I re-release this Star Wars New Hope Super-Uber-Fucking-Happy-Clouds Edition in 2005?" "Ummm, no George," Rob Coleman says with a cautioned tone, "Personally, I think you've gone too far this time, George." "You know, why don't you go work for Pixar, ok, Coleman?" "Fine, George, have it your way. At least Monsters, Inc. had more depth to it than Phantom Menace, you twisted fucker!" Coleman says as he stomps out ILM's doors forever. To be continued....

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 11:35 p.m. CST

    when are Coppola, Lucas, and Spielberg gonna stop mokeying aroun

    by beamish13

    Remaster the hell out of them, but NO MORE REINSERTED SCENES OR CGI BULLSHIT, please. anyway, Coppola's ONE FROM THE HEART is being rereleased this winter. See if you can catch it.

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Needed Changes

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    I won't be satisfied until Luca$ puts all the characters in tight, black leather, sunglasses, uses bullet time like Emeril uses Essence, and has plugs in the backs of their heads. "Unfortunately, noone can be told what the FORCE is. They have to see it for themselves." "Mr. Skywalker, welcome back. We've missed you." "It ends tonight." "Luke, you are the ONE." "Noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!"

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Actually, those lightsabers were the one thing I wanted to see f

    by St.Buggering

    So I can't be too hopped up about this. I couldn't understand why he changed some of the things he did, and left that awful lightsaber shot. In general, I'm a Special Edition apologist, although I agree that Greedo shooting first is a bite in the ass.

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Uhhhh....check your copies again...

    by duckie445

    I just checked my original trilogy and the special edition and BOTH versions have little wispy clouds over the bottom sun on the CLOSEUP shot of the two suns.

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 2:19 a.m. CST

    What's Up With George PukeAss?

    by RedAntBoy

    Leave these fucking films alone already!

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Oh and BTW...

    by RedAntBoy

    Yo Georgie, could you please just release the original films in DVD without any enhancements? Would that be too much to ass er ask? Most of us would pay fer the privilege.

  • Earlier...someone had commented on how silly it was to add cloud scenes to the Tatooine shot. As the talkbalker mentioned, the friggin' planet needed super sophisticated water generators to extract the pittance of water vapor out of the atmosphere. Yes, it would be highly unlikely that Tatooine, a "Desert" planet, would feature cloud formations.____________________________________________ On that note, consider how improbable the planet systems depicted within the "Star Wars" universe are. Like most badly written Science Fiction (Science Fantasy), planetary systems are depicted as completely homogenous...and pigeon-holed as either an "Ice World" (Hoth), a Desert world (Tattoine), a lush, "Northern Westcoast" environment (Endor)...or a jungle/swamp planet (Dagobah). In reality, it would be unreasonable to presume that a planetary system orbiting within it's local star's habitable zone, having a bioshpere, and having a typical rotational period...would not feature the endless diversity of localized climates and micro-climates that occur on Earth. Certainly, a complicated bioshpere, replete with oceans, deserts, mountains regions (again we must presume an active mantel with tectonic activity), tropical, sub-trobical, arctic conditions would result.____________________________________Even if this notional planet did not have the extravagence of our Earth's dynamic ecosystems, certainly the presence of a active, complex life and a robust biosphere would create rich diversity and large differences in planetary climate patterns, eco-systems, etc._____________________________ It is highly unlikely that we will come across worlds bearing complex life which would be categorized universally as a "dessert" planet, or "jungle planet", or "ice planet"._______________________________Another pet peeve of mine, from a scientific background, is the penchant for most SF films to show (almost without exception) alien life-forms which follow the strict morphology and body-plan as human life._______________ Think about it...practically every single sentient species within the Star Wars (and Star Trek) universe are for all intents and purposes, "humanoid", featuring bipedal stance with bilateral symmetry, and typically four distinct appendages (two legs, two arms). Essentially, "tetrapods", which include all vertebrates (amphibians, reptiles, dinosaurs, birds, mammals). The fact that this is a bauplan unique to Earthly higher-order vertebrates belies the fact that Nature has an infinite array of possibilities to work with.________________________ The very fact that the archetypal "UFO" alien is more or less completely humanoid should be taken by informed skeptics as reason enough to debunk their "existence". Again, of the innumerous permutations that life might take throughout the Universe, it is a practical impossibility that an intelligent life-form from another planetary system would exhibit your typical tetrapodal, mammalian, bipedal morphology. Just yet another example of the complete LACK of imagination by current purveryors of movie SF and their ilk.______________________Life, and evolution through Natural Selection is all based on contingency. As Dr. Stephen J. Gould once remarked...." wind the tape of life backward, and re-play it...it is highly doubtful that anything resembling human life would re-occur." In actuallity, Gould really meant "life as we know it". Beginning with the common ancestral cell capable of self-replication, contingent selective forces would shape an entirely different outcome, could we re-wind the clock. In all probability, life would take on forms which our limited imagination cannot even apprehend.

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Is this the same verison that supposedly has a CGI Hulk Hogan an

    by DickHead

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 2:43 a.m. CST

    star wars

    by Renata

    STAR WARS rocks and always will. They could add a CGI Pauley Shore to the cantina scene and it would simply rock. Just watched the RAIDERS DVD again and it confirmed that Lucas is a God. Any man who can get a monkey to Seig Heil is an artist.

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 2:47 a.m. CST

    SPOILER: The Legend Of Zelda soundtrack to replace John Williams

    by DickHead

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Did Lucas also replace the lightsabers with walkie-talkies?

    by jules windex

    "We have to make the alterations"

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Sweet Jesus on the cross!!

    by Demon Disco

    What the fuck is all this CG tinkering all about, man?! Doesn't anybody realize that films should be left as they were - they are a product of their time, a time-capsule if you will, a little slice of history. HISTORY people!! This fucked-up revisionist meddling is fucking around with ART. Christ, Da Vinci didn't go back and paint fucking eyebrows on The Mona Lisa!

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Astronomy in Empire

    by Loco Mendoza

    Okay, since the topic of real science has invaded this discussion, here's what's on my mind -- end of Empire, the Rebel fleet is massing for the big attack on the new Death Star. Outside the medical frigate's big window, we see a giant spiral galaxy. Very pretty. Nice last shot. But here's my problem, I assume that Star Wars takes place in one Galaxy and inter(or is it intra)-galactic flight is impossible. It's just too damn far... even at light speed. So, in essence, the Star Wars galaxy is rather close to another galaxy we never visit. Fine. But, in keeping with this last shot in Empire, that galaxy should be visible from any point in the Star Wars galaxy. Something of that size has to be visible at the nearest and farthest edges. So if you're on Tatoonie, you see it. If you're on Hoth, you see it too. It seems like this galaxy would be an incredibly influential sight for these characters... a Northern Lights of sorts. I dunno. You go to a hotel, you can get the parking lot view or the pool view. Pool view is better. In the Star Wars world, the sister galaxy view is the top of the line room.

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 3:38 a.m. CST

    re: Tritium's post

    by DocPazuzu

    While we're on the subject of real science in Star Wars, has no one else reflected on the fact that ewoks, an arboreal, mammalian species evolved in an environment bristling with sharp objects such as branches and rocks, don't even have EYELIDS? Worse than being bad science, it just makes the unblinking little fuckers even more creepy. The sarlacc gets a beak, but ILM can't get the ewoks to blink?

  • What a nut. Talk about a lot of money leading to being a VERY eccentric person. He is really on another planet at this point.

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Free Hat (encore)

    by Rupee88

    I had forgotten how great the "Free Hat" Southpark episode was, but someone mentioned it above and I rewatched it tonight. Those wacky SouthPark queens really nailed the whole issue. Southpark rules! Star Wars doesn't! (except the original film before mods).

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 5:21 a.m. CST

    "Don't you realize I can make clouds on Tatooine and mindless fa

    by Mr Brownstone

    ROFL

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 6:03 a.m. CST

    re: astronomy

    by The Killer-Goat

    And now for another topic completely unrelated to GL-bashing: I've heard about this concern as well, Mendoza. There appear to be 2 considerations to throw that speculation a-kilter. One: they could possibly be on the edge of their very own galaxy by end of film, the rebel fleet having pulled out to the only area the Empire doesn't have patrolled. There's no calander or narrator to specify how much time passed since they booked outta Cloud City. Coulda been weeks, months. Eh. Either way, would take a loooong time to get there, right? But then, Two: is there anything faster than lightspeed? Not sure, but they throw around 'hyper-space' and 'sub-light' an awful lot. Don't remember where I read this, but some discussion forum years ago in the 70's and 80's considered normal space as our everyday dimension for standard travel and limiting factor of the current max speed of light, with speculation of an underlying section of space consisting of particles that aren't 'normal'? Awful lot of "dark space" being spotted in our galaxy lately, through our observatories. So is there an underlying 'layer' of condensed space that could be tapped for travel purposes? Again... eh. Star Trek waxes prose about wormholes and such like it's the next affordable mode of travel for the future. Which, like this hyper-space theory, consists of 'bent' and 'warped' space used for 'shortcuts. Of course, there's no way Star Trek and Star Wars could be talking about 2 different interpretations of the same space travel theory, right? Gads, what blasphemy! Whatever, I'm not a science buff. The 3rd less-spoken consideration applies to the hollywood astrophysics machine, which somehow allows the fx dept to ignore the minimum size limitations for an engine and power source with sufficient strength to propel a vessel across numerous sun systems... into tiny little one-man fighters.

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 11:08 a.m. CST

    GEORGE LUCAS RULES!!!!!!!!

    by Lord_Soth

    Naysayers go die

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Donnie Darko....

    by Snake-eyes

    IF ONLY WHAT YOU JUST WROTE WAS TO BECOME A REALITY!!!! Oh and LUCAS, if youre reading this talkback....TAKE FUCKING NOTES!!! Dump those 'tinkered with' cinematic abortions and either do it properly this time or not at all!!!!

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 12:08 p.m. CST

    You Star Wars fans are wierd...

    by Lost Skeleton

    Lucas just made some improvements to the OT and you guys are still angry. Revolutiuons...not meaning to piss Star Wars fans off especially after you love the OT but just think that the pequels get worst with every viewing just like every normal person in America on November 5th!

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 1:48 p.m. CST

    ???

    by SleazyD

    You call these assholes fans? I don't understand why these "fans" can't be fucking understanding to the fact that this guy is going to change his movies. You've known that since 1997 you pricks. You whine like a bunch of old pruney bitches sitting on a porch waiting for their colesterol meds. Yeah yeah yeah, you don't like the prequel trilogy or SE... save it, and get a new one. You fucking cock sucking douche bags. Thanks

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 7 p.m. CST

    original trilogy on DVD

    by theThingFromTheS

    i have the original trilogy in special edition format on dvd from malaysia. and they are spot on. so chew on it baby.......aaaaahhhhhrrrr

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 7:08 p.m. CST

    I was there, too

    by Charlie Kane

    I was at that screening on Sunday as well. The most distressing part of it all was when some crazy nun got up out of the audience and introduced the film. who knew nuns were into "Star Wars"? had I known in advance, I would have smuggled in some rotten tomatoes. Lob a couple 'o those babies at her and let her know where the force really is. Anyway, I for one did not notice these "enhancements" to the special addition, and I've seen the original version about 100 times since 1977. My guest for the screening is one of the ILM cgi engineers who worked on the special edition. He pointed out to me that the sabre scenes with the remote trainer remain un- retouched, and i noted myself the stark white beam which contained many "breaks". it looked very primitive by today's standards. I can tell you that the print furnished was gorgeous, with a better picture and sound than I had ever seen. still annoying, though, was the badly done Jabba scene. that will NEVER look good or play well. I ddi note a change this time that I'd missed before, and I wonder if any of you have noticed it as well. It seems to me that in the infamous "greedo shoots first" sequence that an alternate take was used. Han's reading of the line "yes, I'll bet you have" had a different inflection than before. It was not the same take. I can say this with some authority, because in 1977 I smuggled an audio tape recorder into the theatre and recorded the whole film (back then, video tape was still years in the future), so I have LISTENED to the film hundreds of times. Also, Ben's take of "If the ship's as fast as he's boasting, we ought to do well" was slightly different. I f anyone has access to both the original and special editiions, I'd like an analysis of this, if you could. Thanks for rading, and I wish you could all have been there to experience the magic with us. May we all soon get another chance. Peace, Rich

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 10:30 p.m. CST

    call me a sucker

    by yourfaith

    but since we know george lucas is going back and fixing all the "mistakes" in episodes 4-6, maybe we'll get lucky and he'll cut out all the suck in ep 2.

  • I still have the CAV OT laserdiscs from the FIRST definitive edition box set. It was the reason I bought a laserdisc way back in 1994. Nearly ten years ago... wow. I remember that damn thing cost 250 bucks. It had sporadic commentary track and it came with the book George Lucas: THe Creative Impulse and some extras at the end of each movie... or was it on the last disc? Don't remember. Anyway, in edition to that I have the Special Edition laserdics. I am actually able to go to DVD from the laserdisc, make a BETTER LOOKING copy than the disc because I have a pretty damn good DVD recorder with noise reduction and signal enhancement, then go to my computer via a firewire port on my dvd recorder. This way, I can splice out the special edition scenes that I don't want such as, obviously, Greedo shoots first. Then I can put the new version from my computer back out through firewire to my DVD recorder... just a thought. *** I haven't done it, but it's a possibility at some point in the future if we wind up having third and fourth special editions. Seriously though... I wonder how many people actully own those laserdics? I also have an unopened copy of OT Star Wars on videocassette. Could they be worth money at some point?

  • Oct. 29, 2003, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Awsome!

    by MrGortner

    Spurts of CG clouds in the TATOOINE sequence, man I can't wait.

  • Oct. 29, 2003, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Amen to that

    by R0BTRAIN

    The Star Wars triology is still the best film experience of my whole life

  • Oct. 29, 2003, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Amen to that

    by R0BTRAIN

    The Star Wars triology is still the best film experience of my whole life

  • Oct. 29, 2003, 6:54 p.m. CST

    is there an echo in here

    by R0BTRAIN

  • Oct. 29, 2003, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Tinkering with the Special Editions

    by General Gordon

    Personally, I don't mind if George wants to change the special editions. They never fixed all the technical flaws in the original prints anyway. Plus, and a little ironic, the CG additions are now looking a little primitive. I say, make more changes and tie the original trilogy into the prequels better, and make the movies all match visually. I have no nostalgia for the special editions...tinker all you want, George. Now the original versions I saw in the late 70's/early 80's is a different matter. Still, if I want to see the originals, then I just have to watch my CAV laserdiscs... ...well, except the new opening crawl added to ep 4 when "Empire.." was released. Oh, and of course the audio mix which is version 4 on the laserdiscs (no 'open the blast doors' line...). I give up...

  • Oct. 30, 2003, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Lucas is insane

    by panaflex

    nt

  • Oct. 30, 2003, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Lucas is insane part II

    by panaflex

    If Lucas wouldve just brightened up some of the lights on the ships, enhanced some of the matte paintings and maybe brightened up the sabers that wouldve been great but I dont think he is capable of that kind of subtlety. Everything with Lucas has to be a revolution. There cant be just a shot out a window with the planets scenery in the background it has to have 75000 ships flying back and forth too. He is washed up. Jar Jar is a fucking joke. And his new films suck too WHOOOOOOO they saved a whopping four million shooting with digital cameras!!! What a great thing digital cinema is now for all the independents because now instead of renting film cameras they can rent 35 ft long digital cameras with 0 depth of field that rent from panavision for 2500 dollars a day just like the milleniums do. I mean gosh what a relief. Its not just the cgi either. Lucas shoots at a mind bending 36 setups a day. That is insane. You would have to accept every thing on like the first take and have a crew of around 1500 people to do a show like that. Dont even get me started in the greedo shit either. The silliest thing about that sequence now is the way Ford jerks his head to the left at around 75000 feet per second to dodge the laser bolt. I woudlnt even use the special editions for a spunk rag. The only thing he can do is release the original films and just let it go. sigh.

  • Oct. 30, 2003, 6:39 p.m. CST

    I loved the old lightsabers

    by The White Knight

    The first Star Wars movie ever made is my favorite. And one of the main reasons why is that it has that wild-west samurai epic in outer-space with bounty hunter and aliens thrown-in feel that none of the other movies quite were able to match. A few moments were just too cool. The first time you see a light-saber. Ooooo. When Obi Wan cuts down someone so fast you don't even see him draw out his weapon. And man, I LOVED how his light-saber FLICKERED. I could never get over how in none of the other movies did the light-saber FLICKER. It makes it seem more real, like something actually made from parts rather than some CGI trick. Please Lucas, leave the lightsabers FLICKERING. And man, I've wanted a white light-saber forever. Leave the colors ALONE.