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STAR WARS EPISODE 3 Spoiler Rumor...
SPOILER ALERT !!
Hey folks, Harry here... If you don't want to know a fairly major bit from STAR WARS EPISODE 3, then I suggest, don't read below, or especially DON'T read the talkbacks... As it'll probably be spoiled there, many times over. So here ya go....
Hi Harry,
Just a quicky for you...an animator friend at ILM tells me that in Star Wars Episode 3, he's working on a scene where C3PO donates his leg and other body parts to his maker, after Anakin has a brutal limb-busting fight with Count Dooku.
Weird to think Darth Vader has been stomping around all this time with Threepio's old leg!
Best wishes,
Philip.J.FryHarry back... This sort of puts a completely new spin on C3P0's offering of any of his parts to help R2... in a very strong way, I think it makes for something that resonates. Curious as to how Lucas handles the tone of this exchange... ya know?
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*shakes head*
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Uff Da!
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Ok, so if this is true, and taking into account that C3PO shambles about the place like Ozzy Osborne, why doesn't Vader walk with a limp?
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THAT , my friends, is the REAL question yet to be explained.
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*pfft* We know SW is going to suck just as much I & II. Silly kid gags. Over CGI'ed. Horrible lines. Bad acting. I just wants my original trilogy (untapered with) and not have anything to do with any other cash cow SW rubbish.
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Yeah, and in ANH Han Solo repairs the Millenium Falcon using one of 3PO's old ass-plates.
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Oh christ......DO WE NEED TO KNOW THAT ANAKIN IS A BONY METAL BRIT ON TOP OF BEING THE BIGGEST PUSSY IN SPACE? I remember the good old days when people actually feared Darth Vader.....NOW HE'S A FUCKING CLOWN!!!!! LET'S GIVE HIM JAR JAR'S VOICE AND CHEWBACCA'S HAIRY NUTSACK!!!! MAYBE HE HAS PADME'S LEFT FOOT? PERHAPS HE HAS DARTH MAULS FINGERNAILS!!!! OR -OOP!- JANGO FETTS GALL BLADDER!!!!.....IS YODA USING HIS THYROID???? SMACK IT ON INTO VADER!!!! HE IS A JUNKYARD FULL OF BODY PARTS!!!! THEN CAST LEE MAJORS TO PLAY HIM....(or is that Jim Carrey now...fucking depressing....)BEFORE LONG...LUKE WILL HAVE ABOUT 328 GRANDFATHERS/FATHERS AND HAVE ALL SORTS OF REASONS TO GROW UP A TROUBLED YOUTH!!!!! YEE-HAH!!!! I CAN'T WAIT FOR LUCAS TO DIGITALLY RE-INSERT JAR JAR INTO THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY!!!!!.....And thus, I have fallen over in my chair! - -- George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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Fucking Wow-ee!!! Its says it all really, long gone are the days that I actually got excited about a Star Wars "scoop". This film will be like the previous two, boring and bland. I got so excited in '97 when beardy balls said he was going to make 3 more films, who would of thought they would of ended up like this. There's no point in kidding ourselves, this film will be watchable and mildly entertaining for a couple of hours and then just forgotten about like any other bullshit summer blockbuster. -
Why? Cheers.
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Since Anakin built C-3PO, that would make him like a father. So Luke and C-3PO are brothers. Which means C-3PO, Luke, Leia and Vader are like a big family. Obi-won and Chewbacca are old friends as are Obi-won and Anakin. Jango Fett tried to kill Obi-won and Anakin, then in Empire, Vader and Boba Fett team up to capture Han. And they'd all be dead if it weren't for R2-D2. Certainly is a small universe, isn't it?
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Oct 23, 2003 4:52:48 AM CDT
This has to be the worst and most pathetic EP3 "scoop" ever post
by brody armstrong
my god
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the sound of my head falling off, what with laughing so much.
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This was already talked about over a TfN a day ago.
The dip shits over there bought it, but I didn't think you would fall for it.
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What is scarier?
The horrific lack of good Episode 3 spoilers?
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Anakin's loss of limbs in Ep 3 is courtesy of Obi-Wan. Give the man his props!
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Oct 23, 2003 5:13:09 AM CDT
Hmmmmm, more lame Star Wars developments, what a shocker, here I
by charliechaplin
(Commence rantng) Maybe if 20 years from now, today's youngsters can look back nostalgically at the Prequel Trilogy as an important part of their childhoods, then all this (first swear) bullshit will be worth it. But from where I am standing, the (second and last swear) bullshit looms vast and intimidating. (Metaphor 1)Seeing a Star Wars prequel is like going to the dentist now, you know it is going to be unpleasant but you still have to go. (Metaphor 2)Even better, it is like trying to get back together with an ex-girlfriend after a messy break up, you are willing to give things one more chance but you are really just setting things up for a worse fall. (Assorted rant including complaints, critques, comparisons and Lucas insults) Did I say that I don't like the prequels? Really, if Hollywood feels compelled to crank out remakes of Psycho and Texas Chainsaw Massacre, let's hope that after Lucas passes away somebody remakes the Star Wars prequels. On the one hand, I understand that Lucas should not be catering to the fanboys, but following his own vision. On the other hand, I wish that he knew how to direct a movie, write dialogue, work with actors to get good performances on film, edit for pacing, or any of the fundamentals of crafting a movie. In a head to head comparision of professionalism and craftsman ship the Star Wars Prequels pale in comparison to movies like Beverly Hills Cop. Has Lucas forgotten that even more that wanting to see a Star Wars movie, audiences want to see a story that is interesting and well conveyed by charismatic actors? Even Revenge of the Nerds trumps Episodes 1 and 2 in terms of likable characters and audience investment in the story. In fact (here comes a hyperbole based on a grain of truth) the Star Wars Prequels are an insult to all movies, in the way they are shodily constructed, fail to stir any emotions but anger and dissappointment in their audiences, and cash in on an established product for monetary gain. The Star Wars Prequels are no different than the Scooby Doo or Tomb Raider films, in that they are terribly written, directed and acted but they rake in money because the audience recognizes an existing product that they enjoy. Since the original trilogy, the Star Wars brand has been relentlessly marketed and these new film have the same validity of a relationship to the original films that all of those crappy video games did. But my point (still ranting) is that beyond being bad in relation to the original trilogy, the new star wars movies are just plain bad, and they would be called Waterworld and make no money, if they weren't called Star Wars and making lots of money (end rant).
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yeah yeah he's losing his humanity, and becoming more machine like with his physical appearance as well as via his no doubt shocking and evil ways! I think even this movie's target audience of ten year old will be able to figure it out a couple of seconds after it happens and think to themselves man i'm smarter than the knucklehead who wrote this!
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lame scoop, but still may make the ILM guy look bad
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Apart from the absrdity of the whole notion (still too absurd even for GL, I think), I read that Dooku is getting bumped off quite soon in the film, and Anakin's always been meant to receive his further injuries at the hands of Obi-Wan. --- Say it was true, how would they deal with Darth Vader having one leg a good 4 inches shorter than the other?
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I just reread the article, and damn me, not only does Harry seem to believe it, in the name of all that is holy he LIKES the idea! "it makes for something that resonates" HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
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Surely if this cant be true! If however it is indeed the truth then I feel complelled to shout... CONRATULATIONS LUCA$!! If I had any shred of hope left for this film its now officially left me for good! It would take literally an act of GOD to save this ailing franchise now!
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After watching Lucas utterly rape and destroy the original films. (Solo shot first!) and then Turd out 2 crap prequels. I foolishly wished and hoped that the third prequel would at least be a return to from. but alas if the C3PO limb lending is true. then that shatters another illusion. that Darth Vader is not the most evil force in the universe but a moody teenager made out of old bits of a camp robot. Whoopee! I am Rawbeard I am every where
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I am also staggered that Harry seems enthused by this complete cowpat of a 'scoop'. If, god forbid, it is genuine news, the only concern I have left now is what single act of madness is there left for Luca$ to introduce to completely fuck up these films forever? Seriously though, I wonder if there exists in his mind one single idea that is SO HEART-STOPPINGLY BAD that if it ever made it to the final film EVERY SW fan would decide enough is enough with this crap and kiss the franchise goodbye!
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Oct 23, 2003 7:00:41 AM CDT
This'll be my first and only comment on talkback. Ever.
by scotttreadwell
You know what? I've been reading talkback now since inception, and I've never bothered to comment. But really now, I'm just sitting up in the middle of the night and reading you people who don't like Star Wars ripping hell out of it for the sake of something to talk about.
Personally? I'm not going to let you know how I feel about Star Wars. I don't even care what you think about how I feel about it.
All I wanted to say is that you all, every one of you, have become vindictive bastards who do nothing but complain.
Why don't you go out and make your own damn movie instead of spending all the time you could be doing creating that whining about other people who are far more successful, far more intelligent, and far more ambitious than you are. I mean, you make me sick. Really.
Go out there and make a movie, or don't expect to be taken seriously.
Mock Jar Jar. Mock the Merovingian. Mock Scooby Doo. The man who made Scooby Doo has more money for his ambition and creation than any 100 of you talkbackers combined, even if the movie WAS crap.
Stop whining, pick up your cameras, go out there and make a movie, or say something constructive.
Like this.
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"This'll be my first and only comment on talkback. Ever." ....THANK FUCK FOR THAT!!!
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For most people this would be the last straw of absurdity that they are willing to take from Lucas. And that's saying something! This is just to far.
When I first heard this my initial reaction was to laugh, but the more I think about it perhaps it's true.
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As we all know, or assume, George Lucas is tampering with HIS films. No one else's. Maybe it because he needs to pay the bills. Or maybe he's greedy. But think about this. These films are aimed at children. There must be at least thousands of children TODAY who like these prequels and most probably, horrors of horrors, prefer these prequels to the Original Trilogy. In around twenty years time there will be a new generation of Talkbackers talking about their love of the Phantom Menace and Attack of The Clones. Berate me and the films as much as you want but trust me.
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Hey scotty boy, still awake? Why not not flick to some porn site, have a wank, and then go back to sleep. If not, shut the fuck up.....
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Crap or not crap I know that one way or the other I will still see this movie.
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Ah, the final defense of the truly desperate: "Let's see YOU do better!" No, I would never say I could make a better movie than George Lucas. It's not my field of expertise. But, ALLEGEDLY, it IS his field of expertise. And he's SUCKED at it since the early 1980s. Just cuz someone can't make a better movie/hit a ball further/govern a country/etc., doesn't me he/she isn't capable of knowledgebly criticizing others in those fields, especially if those "others" have chosen to be in the public eye. You've chosen the lamest of the lame counterpoints, debate-wise.
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Hmm you know what i think is even more annoying than everyone saying they hate this or that (which is fair enough, if they hate a movie, let 'em hate it!), what i think is more annoying is people getting up on thier high horse and telling everyone off, not just one person they dissagree with but making a generalisation that everyone has become a winger and everyone should bla bla frigity bla. You know what? Stop worrying about everyone, you cant control everyone, if it bothers you that much just dont read the talkbacks man. Sheesh.
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It may not be a great idea on GL's behalf but I reckon it's true. Why? Has anyone been wondering why 3-PO has got one silver leg in the original trilogy?
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First off everyone has heard the GL raped my childhood/showed no respect for film history thing so please let it go or find something new to complain about. Anyways, it makes sense because I always wondered why C3PO had one silver leg. He is all gold otherwise. And other rummors had him getting a gold makeover in this movie. So I was wondering about that silver leg, and now I know.
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I mean other than 'luckily' taking out the trade fed cruiser in ep1 and some fancy flying in ep2 I havent seen anakin truly kick ass in mano a mano. Id like to see him kick uber ass in ep3 from taking pistol hits and not flinching like he did in TESB to handily winning some lightsaber fights. Id leave one stunt to the emp tho as I think hes the toughest jedi of them all, tougher than anakin even I bet... Itd be cool to see the emp take the blow from a lightsaber and grab and or bend it or sink its light saber back into its handle with his bare hands... thatd be cool...
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FINALLY! I have permission so I may finally mock these. Thanks so much, Scott.
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"Itd be cool to see the emp take the blow from a lightsaber and grab and or bend it or sink its light saber back into its handle with his bare hands... thatd be cool".....no it wouldnt!
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He's just making an ass of himself. I saw "Star Wars" the way it was meant to be seen... in the summer of '77, at ten years old. My memories are secure. Do your worst, George... the history books will not be kind to you (and that's putting it mildly).
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It took 8 weeks to shoot the house of blue leaves fight in Kill Bill, I understand it took twelve weeks to shoot Epi 3. He isn't even trying to pretend to take it seriously. Thank god he didn't do these first. Cashback!
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Oct 23, 2003 8:32:19 AM CDT
the one idea that would finally make SW jump the shark...
by trinity's gusset
That's just too tempting to pass up, but give a few minutes to think. oh, and if i don't get back, its coz i got drunk. oh, and ep 3's going to end with a song and dance sequence, just like ROTJ, so that there will be 'resonances' and 'rhyming' between the trilogies. And Cewbacca will fuck yoda and make ewoks. that one was always my favourite suggestion.
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Slightly off topic, and I've never really thought about it until now, but does anyone else think the Emporer died cheaply in ROTJ? For someone as powerful as Yoda (maybe more so), dont you think he wouldve been a tad harder to kill? I mean he was literally just picked up and hurled to his doom into that chasm-like hole on the Death Star. Hmmm...hang on a minute...Boba Fett, Dath Maul, Jango Fett...oh I forgot, all the would-be-cool 'evil' characters die cheaply in Star Wars. *sighs* Also WHY did Obi-wan vanish like that when NO OTHER jedi killed thus far has done so????
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Oct 23, 2003 8:36:42 AM CDT
Qui-Gon didn't disappear because he wasn't yet ready to die and
by stonemonkey
then his age factored in and his focus dropped and he got skewered by the much younger Sith Lord. Obi-Wan, in Episode 4, was indeed prepared to die and sacrificed himself therefore becoming one with the Force(he had nothing else to live for, Luke and Han were saving Leia and he already had sabotaged the tractor beam controls, then his old apprentice shows up and wants to finish a pissing contest from 20 previous. Obi-Wan didn't lose this time either, but "disappeared into a new existence.")
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Only one rational option left, have to get R.Lee Ermey to do the voice of C3PO and have his bitch-bot R2 done by Hulk Hogan. C3PO "What is your major malfunction numbnuts." R2 "doot diddle doot doot BROTHER"
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Here's how it's all going to go down... mark my words.
1. It will be revealed that Dooku was involved in Anakin's mother's death. This will invoke Anakin's hatred.
2. Emperor says "Kill him and take his place by my side."
3. Anakin turns to the Dark Side quite early in the film.
4. Anakin is made to believe that the other Jedi fear and disrespect him... he hunts them down.
5. Kenobi tracks him down to put an end to his ways... possibly has fling with Amidala, she may also have love interest with Alderaan senator.
6. The move ends, leaving most filmgoers 9 bucks lighter, wishing the old movies could come back.
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How come no one seems concerned about Elton John's involvement (with John Williams's melody) in the Episode III soundtrack for the "big musical number" supposedly occuring just before the climactic Obi/Vader lightsaber duel? I still think Lucas's purported inclusion of a "Jedi Talent Show scene" somewhere in Episode III is a much worse idea than the Vader leg thing.
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Yeah I've heard this theory before but I have trouble buying it. Especially when Obi-wan says to Darth, "if you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!". Ok, fair enough, so what happens then? Well....he becomes in essence a 'spectre' with little to no influence in the real world other than to appear and offer some counsel to a troubled Luke. Um...is that it? WOW...truly POWERFUL!!! Oh and another thing, I stand corrected before cos I forgot that Yoda does in fact vanish as well when he dies. BUT this raises another question....when Darth died he DIDNT vanish!!! Why not??? And also, how could all three appear as these 'spectres' at the end of ROTJ????? If Vadar wasnt 'ready' to die (like Qui-Jon) then he shouldnt have passed over into 'spectre world' like the Yoda and Obi-Wan. Otherwise shouldnt we have seen Qui-Jon's 'spectre' by now or all the other Jedi that died in Clones? Hmm...am I making sense here?
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Oct 23, 2003 8:57:13 AM CDT
Is that before or after Grando Calrissian is introduced?
by buck_turgidson
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Yoda and Vader both faded away when they died.
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Oct 23, 2003 9:01:54 AM CDT
Scottytreadwell,-and the ol' lets see you do better defense of L
by rightnutofgod
Next time some surgeon fucks up in a OR, maybe he can shout at the patient-"let's see you do better, asshole!"-yeah it all makes sense now.
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These movies are just not very good. I'm not sure if Lucas has just lost any ability he head, or if he just has certain scenes he wants to see played out and since he has the franchise tag to stick on them it doesn't matter if the prequels turn out to be cohesive films. ......... However, that dentist analogy charlie makes is quite true for most of us. Bitch, moan, and worry all we want, the bottom line is we're all gonna' buy a ticket and hope for just one decent scene we can take a little redemption out of. I mean, honestly how many of you who say you refuse to give Lucas any more money are actually not going to see episode III? Now I'm not one to judge,(Hell, who am I to judge, I love a lot of B-movie schlock, but since my name's not Tarantino, that makes me stupid, not cool), you have the right to say whatever you want and spend your money however you want, but I know full well if I bitch about Lucas losing his mind, I'm not really putting my money where my mouth is, since I'll go see the movie (probably more than once), and I'll inevitably add the DVD to my collection. does that make me a hypocrit, a fanboy, or just a fool? .................... All that being said, I finally popped the "Raiders of the Lost Ark" DVD in last night. It looks and sounds freakin' incredible!
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Shamefully (I guess), I'd given up on the SW Prequels after Jar Jar Binks' first words(?) twittered out of his mouth... But this C3PO leg thing and other ruminations have me concerned for the final INDIANA JONES film. Could Lucas' apparent mind-loss ruin the final installment of THAT franchise? Will we find out that Marion was actually Indy's half sister? Or that Brody is actually a pre-historic temple priest condemned to walk the earth for eternity? Or that Sallah is, in reality, an undercover Nazi intelligence officer? Or something worse? SURE some folks like one of these films more than the others, but in the end - for me - the INDY franchise beats out Lucas' SW series (even the original series - which started the far-fetched, soap opera-esque plunge into lunacy with the i-am-your-father, she-is-your-sister storyline) hands down.
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...jeez louise, what are y'all doing for all the ulcers? I mean, you guy seem to have an endless reserve of anger about this whole thing. In the end, it's just entertainment. In the end, it's entertainment, and if you're not entertained, go elsewhere. Look, I left Episode 1 feeling fairly neutral about it. I've never had illusions about the writing or the acting in Star Wars, or George Lucas's penchant for silly humor. So maybe that's the reason I can sit back and halfway enjoy the films, because I'm not expecting a cinematic masterpiece. What I was expecting, and what sort of disappointed me the first time around was the adventurous quality of it. But that's returned with Episode II. As to the visuals and the effects, even my grandfather, who thinks the whole thing juvenile, says they're amazing and well done. And Besides, if you go to an effects film and complain about being overloaded with effects, isn't that like paying for a buffet, then complaining that you couldn't eat all that food?
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You know, his slide into irrelevence has been pretty stereotypical. Early talent blossoms into gret promise. Big bucks come in, starts getting paid way too much to do nothing. Doesn't direct a film for years, gets involved with bad projects, makes unfortunate decisions. Becomes more interested in other, more lucrative endeavors, whores out creations. Decides on comeback project, which falls flat. All that's left now is the check-in to rehab, "Behind the... Whatever" episode on "E!" and the inevitable conversion to Christianity followed by becoming involved in directing Kurt Cameron in several of those godawful (I know, bad pun) "Left Behind" movies.
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Yes everyone knows it's silver in the OT. As I am sure the ass clown who sent this into Harry knows as well.
If anyone of you dolts had been watching HyperSpace you would know that 3PO has a complete gold set of trim through all the filming we have seen.
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Last I heard, Lucus plans on making a Star Wars TV soap opera using actual soap opera cameras! Let's hope they have Ewoks!
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I already said that I forgot to mention that Yoda vanished in my last post, my point was that Vadar didnt. And, unless I am totaly wrong here, I'm sure that Luke carried his lifeless body on to the shuttle, left the Death Star and cremated him on the planet below afterwards. Thus, my question from my last post remains unanswered...
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theforce.net has been handing this site it's ass on Ep.3 spoilers
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Oct 23, 2003 9:24:07 AM CDT
Even if its not true, the fact that we think it could happen sho
by audio vandal
oh dear, what next , probably inserting lots of pointless scenes into the original trilogy ! oh shit that already happened. Ok how about changing the ending of ROTJ into a cheesy new tune with loads of stupid footage of coruscant ! oh shit that happened too. Ok, what about putting characters from the OT into the prequels for no reason but just so the stupid audience can connnect the trilogies together ( c-3po, r2d2, chewbacca ). Oh shit, lucas did that too. Ok, how about putting some thought into the prequels before they came out, constructing a story that relates to the OT with continuity and actually has well-rounded characters that stand up in their own right. Yep, thatll never happen.
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"Go out there and make a movie, or don't expect to be taken seriously". Well Scott, I suppose, then, that that means I shouldn't complain if I am sold a shoddily built house because I'm not a builder, and have never tried to build a house myself. Interesting logic. --- Also, I don't appreciate the way you generalised: "reading you people who don't like Star Wars ripping hell out of it for the sake of something to talk about....you all, every one of you, have become vindictive bastards who do nothing but complain". Well, it's precisely because I DO like Star Wars (even the inferior prequels) that I think this is the daftest idea I've ever heard. And I find it highly ironic that 'the only post you'll ever make!' was in fact, somewhat vindictive, and full of your complaints. On the actual topic of discussion, you posted just to express that you weren't going to express your opinion. If you dislike people complaining and being vindictive, you might have actually tried posting something constructive (and on-topic) yourself. --- Speaking of which, I'm still sure this is a fake. Anakin loses his limbs to lava burns after fighting Obi-wan, not having Dooku lop them off. Plus, he got an artificial arm at the end of epII without needing C3PO to donate it, and that arm is at least in proportion with his other. C3PO's leg would give him a comical lop-sided gait, being much shorter than his own. Might make Vader just a *teenyweeny* bit less imposing.
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You gotta be kidding me? Thats what we all got to look forward to in this movie? MORE and MORE it feels like lucas is just coming up with anything to appeal to fanboys. Bring in chewbacca,
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Lucas is raping this franchise. It's bad enough only 2 of the Star Wars films were good, Episode 4 and 5. But Episode 6, 1, and 2 were awful. And you guys talk about Reloaded. I'd rather watch Morpheus talk mad shit than listen to a stiff Jake Lloyd yelp an uninspired "woo-hoo" or Jar Jar say some nonsense.
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Oct 23, 2003 9:35:25 AM CDT
scotttreadwell: Yet another comment on your post, but at least
by fatpaul
POINT ONE: Of course, the idea that people who don't make movies have no right to criticize movies is just a silly concept. Does that mean that once I finish my Satanist-killing-spree movie, I'll be able to talk shit about Star Wars all I want? Too bad, I'm still working on the shot list, otherwise I could really make some good points. Personally, I don't see the connection. ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... POINT TWO: As to mainstream filmmakers being more successful, intelligent and ambitious than me (and everybody else, it seems): What? Success, sure. However, My IQ scores are relatively above average (and I would imagine a number of other people who post here test well, too), so I think that I should fall into the same general category as George Lucas. And I don't consider sequels, remakes and adaptations to be terribly ambitious. Ambition leads to heights of originality and artistic excellence, or at least an attempt at originality and artistic excellence. I can't see what ambition has to do with throwing money at an easy project. ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---... POINT 3: What the hell is a merovingian? Did I miss one of those summer blockbuster things? Is it something from Star Wars? The Matrix? I know that my attention kind of lapsed during a few of those movies, but how could I miss an entire merovingian?
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Oct 23, 2003 9:35:53 AM CDT
If these movies are aimed at children, then why do you 30 and 40
by iamlegolas
Everything charliechaplin says is right on the money. As for me, after forcing myself to see Episode 2 and being pissed off again, I don't even care about the originals anymore, much less Episode 3. The damage done ... but I do enjoy Star Wars talkbacks, they are the best ever!
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now you wonder why LOTR and Matrix fans laugh at you in the talkbacks. Stupid ass prequels, he should have left the original triology age like fine wine but now your beloved franchise has been tainted by three sory ass prequels.
Go on and enjoy...I don't even touch my prequel DVDs
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when I said "you posted just to express that you weren't going to express your opinion", was "you posted to say you had nothing to say", at least not on the topic at hand. It has to be said, your post was just as pointless and annoying as all the daft declarations of "GL raped my childhood!", and such. --- On topic, I too had always wondered at the inconsistency of Jedi deaths/appearances as 'Force ghosts' SnakeEyes. I don't thin there are any set in stone 'rules' on this one.
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Tfn is a fucking joke. They had a good run of spoilers during AoTC but now they are on the outs with the insiders and this is well known in the community.
If you want a REAL spoiler website, check out T-Bones,
http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/
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It'll all change by the time it reaches DVD...or whatever the format is by the time it ever sees home release...cuz Lucas will have completely redone the fucking thing...who cares?
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the Merovingian was the annoying, philosophising, French program in The Matrix Reloaded.
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Come on guys, have any of you read the spoilers on TFN, Episode-X, or Jedinet? There is NOWAY that 3P0 has an opportunity to "donate" his leg to Anakin. C3P0 and R2D2 are in the possesion of Bail Organa when Anakin sustains his injuries from Obiwan. Palpatine rescues Anakin and places him in the Darth Vader suit. The protagonists at that point are running for their lives and hiding. Not to mention Padme will be giving birth and you know that Lucas will want 3P0 and R2 somewhere in THAT scene for it to be even more sentimental. There is no reason to get so bent out of shape out of an OBVIOUSLY FALSE SCOOP. Use some common sense people!
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Oct 23, 2003 9:41:56 AM CDT
"theforce.net has been handing this site it's ass on Ep.3 spoile
by iamlegolas
It's because theforce.net is the only movie site on the 'net that still gives a crap. "FACT!"
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I find so very funny that talk backers can show so much intelligence when someone comments on how they complain, but when they complain they sound like silly children. Oh no did I just generalize? (Hey everyone let
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God you're as bad as MisterGrimmloch, a guy who 'hates' LOTR The 2 Towers yet plans on buying the Extended edition DVD, and already HAS the theatrical version (I think). Talk about pointless.
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Just to spoil your theory, I'm going to respond to your 'comment on how we complain' like a silly child: *clears throught* "SHUT UP YOU LOSER!!!"
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I sort of enjoyed the prequels in the movies so I purchased the DVD's. (I also purchased the DVD's for my neice who wanted to see the pequels but didn't get a chance to because her parents are cheap) So I watched them a second time and boy are they horrible. And they get worst with each viewing.
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Oct 23, 2003 10:05:18 AM CDT
Next Harry I'll be getting his SW spoilers from "Supershadow"...
by conan_the_humble
That's how fucking lame this is. I'm not terribly surprised though, Harry hasn't been releasing many "scoops" at all lately. For ANY movie, let alone SW, LOTR or the Matrix or anything. Just about anything released on this site can be found earlier at CHUD, Dark Horizons or numerous other movie sites. I wouldn't even bother coming here if it wasn't for the tb's. Oh and in another bit of SW "news" apparently the Obi-wan Vs Anakin fight is going to be the longest Jedi fight of them all and the overall movie is going to be "much much darker" than any other SW movie. What's with GL? That must be his favourite phrase this movie is going to be much darker etc... I personally think this movie is going to be 'the longest' of them all and I'm not referring to it's running time... Cheers.
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I've debated back and forth with myself whether to get the DVD's, but I get the feeling it wouldn't take too many viewings before I stopped liking the films too.
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"Dont blame LUCAS, blame yourselves!" .....so what youre saying is if am unhappy about someone doing something I consider to be wrong, rather than let my feelings be heard, I should instead shut up and blame myself on the basis that I am simply a 'whinging fucker'???? A cheque for
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Oct 23, 2003 10:32:20 AM CDT
Yay! Great news for us Watto fans hoping for one last appearance
by damitol
"Hello Watto."
"Little Ani?... ANI! Great to see you! Jeez - you look terrible..."
"It's my liver. Dooku put a light saber through it. You got anything?"
"Well... I got this radiator from an old speeder we can hammer into shape and add some hoses to..."
"Perfect. Speaking of hoses, Padme's been complaining I don't... uh - well, that my, you know, is a little on the, *small* side" "Ani... don't worry. We take a couple of feet off of this old thruster unit, round off the edges and polish it up, and you will be banging the stupid out of her 10 times a day!" "Yippee!"
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Oct 23, 2003 10:36:37 AM CDT
Oh that is rich. This sounds so spoofy it's becoming too funny
by weedymcsmokey
Talk about raping a childhood (well, if you still care that much - and I can't see how one could). Man, so how the fuck is Anakin such a damn powerful Jedi if every goddamn fight he gets into he looses a goddamn limb? What is he - the worst fighter in the history of the academy? And 3PO donates his legs? Vader walks on the legs of the clandestine gay robot? This gets better and better.
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Oct 23, 2003 10:37:00 AM CDT
Oh that is rich. This sounds so spoofy it's becoming too funny
by weedymcsmokey
Talk about raping a childhood (well, if you still care that much - and I can't see how one could). Man, so how the fuck is Anakin such a damn powerful Jedi if every goddamn fight he gets into he looses a goddamn limb? What is he - the worst fighter in the history of the academy? And 3PO donates his legs? Vader walks on the legs of the clandestine gay robot? This gets better and better.
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just because someone does not share your opnion, does not make them wrong. And whilst idiots posting nonsense like "GL raped my childhood" (which does not include guss) do indeed come across as miserable little bastards, so do idiots who post nonsense like "I saw the prequels loads of times and I still like them, anyone who doesn't agree are fucking twits, full of bullshit, biased, and miserable little bastards/bitches", or something along thosse lines.
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and you're all invited to bring your geeky fanboy asses and come live there!! You guys could have a tools GL bashing night, then there could be tools night out where all you fucking wankers go to some comic book con and line up to suck Bruce Campbell's dick!!
Seriously, some of you over-the-top film fucks need to take a step back, put down the limited edition glow in the dark light saber from 1980 and snap back into the real world!! -
You're totally right--Anankin is a big pussy. For being the chosen one etc., he loses every fight he gets into, usually at the cost of a limb or two, except for when he slaughters women and children. He blows up bad guy ships only by accident, as evinced by his every-ten-seconds utterances of 'oops' and 'whoops'. And he's a whiny bitch just like his son. Luke crashes virtually every ship/vehicle he operates (snowspeeder, xwing on Dabobah, speeder bike on Endor). It must be a bitch for Skywalkers to get liability insurance in a galaxy far far away.
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I'm 30. I grew up with the originals. Saw them on the big screen the first time. Saw them again when they were re-released. I'm no kid. And the prequels are far, far better films... from a certain point of view. I'd prefer Lucas to ditch the original films (or release them for the old fans who can't accept change) and then remake 4, 5, and 6 completely with today's technology.
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Grando crashes the Falcon but is spared serious injury due to a retrofitted airbag
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I always thought you were a cool dude (dudette?). Come on, you have to realize that TPM sucked and AOTC was merely OK. George Lucas has lost his touch. Also, I think ScottWhateverHisNameIs is actually GL's mom. Back from the grave if necessary.
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To everyone in this thread trying to tie every loose end up between the prequels and the OT, mark my words. Here is the way it will ultimately play out. Christmas 2004 (maybe 2005) will see a DVD box set release of the OT: Special Editions, just as they were released a few years ago. Episode III will come out and there will still be little inconsistancies and unanswered questions with the OT. Christmas 2005 will see the 2-disk Episode III theatrical release DVD to mirror the ones for Episodes I and II. Then - Christmas 2006 (or more likely 2007 or 2008) will bring "The Ultimate and Definitive Star Wars Collection" which will include all 6 movies modified to some degree to give them a similar "look" and to make all the pieces fit nicely together. The wizards at ILM, especially with technology advances over the next 3+ years, will be able to believably alter dialog and images and/or insert whole new scenes (with digital actors no doubt) in the OT so that Leia will mention Padme by name and Qui-Gon's ghost will appear at the end of Jedi. Who knows how many changes will be made or to what degree? Maybe Vader *will* dissaper upon death. Maybe Greedo will not only shoot first but nick Han Solo, resulting in Solo shooting back a full second later and clearly in self defense. There was a very believable story out prior to Clones about a CGI artist thrilled to be working on improving Obi-Wan's death scene in A New Hope recently. This is why Lucas has said that the OT we saw as kids no longer exists. He may still release them as a set with a "because I still want to please my core fans" spin at some point, but your kids will watch and love, and history will remember the Definitive Star Wars as the true movies. The OT from the 70s/80s (as well as the SE versions) will be looked at years from now as a curiosity - the first step of a major work in progress. And if George does go on and make the third trilogy of "sequels" after all as newly rumored, the Definitives will be the points of reference, not the movies we have seen so far. I'm not saying its what should happen or that I'm personally happy about it - I'm just saying no matter how loud you scream or gnash your teeth, the above is what *will* happen. Accept it or be miserable. Your choice.
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Oct 23, 2003 2:17:00 PM CDT
A point-counterpart to scottreadwell by someone who has tried/ i
by hardcorerocker
POINT: "You know what? I've been reading talkback now since inception, and I've never bothered to comment. But really now, I'm just sitting up in the middle of the night and reading you people who don't like Star Wars ripping hell out of it for the sake of something to talk about." COUNTERPOINT: Many people do rip Star Wars for no reason except to rip it. But many, including me, complain because these movies rape my childhood memories. It's like Looney Tunes: Back in Action or Cat in the Hat. Since I review movies, I see this movies, and they come damn near close to bringing tears to my fucking eyes. I liked the original Star Wars, the original Looney Tunes cartoons, and the Dr. Seuss book. But now, the people with the rights to make these movies that I just mentioned have looked towards making a buck based on people's knowledge of these characters, and have decided to continue with new storylines for these characters, not regarding at all the legacy these characters have left imprinted onto the youths that witnessed them. That's why there's no Dr. Strangelove 2, or Citizen Kane remake, the creators and people in charge of the rights treat that shit with RESPECT. I don't give a rat's ass if it's Lucas's vision or not, he's looking for a buck. And he'll get billions. But it's at the cost of respect for him. Oh well. POINT: "Personally? I'm not going to let you know how I feel about Star Wars. I don't even care what you think about how I feel about it." COUNTERPOINT: How can we care if you don't tell us? You clearly like it or it left a big impression on you, or you wouldn't defend it. POINT: "All I wanted to say is that you all, every one of you, have become vindictive bastards who do nothing but complain." COUNTERPOINT: I praise lots of fucking movies, ones that are good, ones that are art, ones that entertain me, ones that do not bore me and piss on my childhood memories. POINT: "Why don't you go out and make your own damn movie instead of spending all the time you could be doing creating that whining about other people who are far more successful, far more intelligent, and far more ambitious than you are." COUNTERPOINT: I'm trying to write a script, scottreadwell. And I have my camera. But truth of the matter is, I don't have the money or the connections to get my film to the point of big distribution. If you think everyone in Hollywood is vastly intelligent, then you're retarded. They do what they do well, be it hold a camera, kiss ass, or suck cock. I'm seriously not even that bitter about Hollywood, and there are EXTREMELY smart people out there (Tom Hanks, for example). I just think that a lot lack common sense. Like Lucas of late, for example. POINT: "I mean, you make me sick. Really. Go out there and make a movie, or don't expect to be taken seriously." COUNTERPOINT: Richard Roeper. Lisa Schwartzbaum. Peter Travers. A.O. Scott. Elvis Mitchell. Kenneth Turan. Wanna know what these people have in common? Their thoughts on movies are taken seriously. Wanna know what else they have in common? They don't make movies. What a terrible, stupid point of you to make. POINT: "Mock Jar Jar. Mock the Merovingian. Mock Scooby Doo. The man who made Scooby Doo has more money for his ambition and creation than any 100 of you talkbackers combined, even if the movie WAS crap." COUNTERPOINT: Scooby Doo wasn't a labor of love for these people, you dumb shit. He was after the money, not the creation. He was paid a lot of money and told "Hey, we have these demographics and this money. You have til June." You revoked the seriousness of your statement by calling the film crap. The ambitious and creative man would've made the film work. The ambitious would've gotten a good cast. The creative would've fixed the script problems. The ambitious and creative would've worked harder on getting good CGI. You realize how crappy the movie is, so how can you say the people behind it, people who have no personal attachment to the concept of this film, people who are merely filling out a contract's requirement, and call them filled with "ambition and creation"?!? And all three characters you mentioned were put on screen thanks to a little demon called Ego, so they deserve to be mocked. POINT: "Stop whining, pick up your cameras, go out there and make a movie, or say something constructive. Like this." COUNTERPOINT: What you said was the opposite of constructive. It had nothing to say about the movie, it was hypocritical, and it was lazy. You yell at us for whining by...whining? You praise directors for their ambition and creation...then call their films crap? You are the one who is the vindictive bastard. And you're a hypocrite. And if you sit up at night and read Star Wars talkbacks without responding since the inception of this site, you are also a loser. Moreso than the rest of us losers. Thank you for your first and last post. I eagerly await your defense of the film Radio. www.rockithardcore.com
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Oct 23, 2003 2:30:00 PM CDT
LAME HOW LUCAS FEELS THE NEED TO MAKE FORCED "CONNECTIONS" BETWE
by jennababe
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Nice use of Morse Code, if anything sums up the state of Star Wars that's gotta be it. Also yes, Merovingian is from Matrix Reloaded (which was pretty lame but STILL not the shitfest that every single SW movie post-Empire was). Hopefully the rumors about Revolutions being vastly better will prove true. As for Star Wars, it's well beyond hopeless now so just forget about it. Lucas just wants your money...and NO, he wouldn't be churning out these 140-minute turd logs if you all weren't willingly separating yourselves from your cash to see them.
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that was never lucas' intention.
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...go to TheForce.net or Episode-X.com, this is not a reliable spoiler and does nothing except give the prequel haters more ammunition.
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Is there anything in this prequel trilogy that isn't connected to the original characters? It can't be long before we discover Chewbacca wrote the Cantina track from a new hope, or perhaps R2 was a surrogate mother for Han Solo? A sort of crude intergalatic version of IVF. While we're at it George wouldn't it be amazing if Jar Jar bought a baby Rancor in a Tatooine market...which then ate him. (If thats used I want $3 Million)
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Just kidding. This is just my 2 cents worth.
POINT #1-The new trilogy has incredible special effects and great (for the most part) fighting choreography. However, it suffers from one thing: the performances are wooden or annoying or both. Yes, the dialogue is not as snappy as it was in the past (and keep in mind, the dialogue we remember as snappy wasn't all that great in retrospect either, "scruffy-looking nerf-herder!"), and yes sometimes it is downright cringe-inducing (although that sand and things are soft here line from Ep II cracks me up. Great unintentional comedy), but you all know that a good performance can pull off terrible writing. What really stinks here is the acting, and that, I hate to say, is Lucas's fault. Most if not all of his cast has turned in solid performances, or at least passible performances in other things. I also think part of the reason so many of us hate the prequels so badly is that we can see the enormous potential that was there, and then when we see it not live up to it's potential, well, what a pisser. The problem here is not CGI or anything else I see people ranting about. It's the acting. We fail to connect with the characters on any level, and are frequently annoyed by them to the point to wanting to harm them in some way. It's kind of cathartic to see Anankin's arm get whacked off after having to put up with his whiny "I'm a man, just nobody but me knows it yet" dialogue.
POINT #2-With point #1 firmly in mind, let me just say that I agree with whoever said that they will go see the Matrix, ROTK and EP III just expecting to be entertained. And I probably won't be disappointed. Yeah, it'll suffer from the same faults as the others, but I think many (but probably not all) of us are kidding outselves if we think we'll really never see this film.
POINT #3-"Heart-stoppingly bad idea":Having R2D2 give birth to Luke and Leia (sort of a test-tube baby thing), with Chewbacca shouting "PUSH!! PUSH!!" in wookie as a midwife? That would be indefensible by even the most insane fans.
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Luke carried what was left of Vader's mechanical body into the ship. His "spirit" had already joined the Force.
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Oct 23, 2003 4:57:35 PM CDT
But wait: if people read TalkBack who don't post to it - and if
by fluffyunbound
- that would mean that they are reading the Talkbacks for entertainment. They aren't participating, they are merely consuming. THAT MAKES THE TALKBACKS AN ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCT, albeit one where the performances are provided gratis. We are STREET ART, you BITCHES. Scott Treadwell, I submit to you that the entertainment product provided by Talkback is SUPERIOR [in general, and also - naturally enough - dollar for dollar] to the Star Wars prequels. Reading Talkback, I have laughed, I have raged, I have rooted for and against Harry and Drew and even Fett, I have given and received bitchslappings, I have considered the finer points of Keira Kneightley and the chick from "Thirteen" - Talkback has it ALL, you passive consumer of street art motherfucker! And also - NO FUCKING JAR JAR! Jar Jar does not appear in Talkback! That puts Talkback a country mile in front of the Prequels right off the bat. Admit it: the dialogue is better here, there are more interesting characters, there is more drama, there is certainly more humor than in the prequels - and the presence of you lurkers makes this an entertainment medium, and makes it a valid subject for comparison. George Lucas makes more money, but he knows he sucks, and now you do, too.
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vader gets c3po's parts and all of c3po's gay ness is absorbed into vaders body, thus making him stop loving padme, seriously why else would you stop loving her. So padme in a jealous rage takes the children and fabricates some story into how vader and his buddies are evil, slowly the fabricated lie is spread to luke and leas friends, mosly lea. That fabricated lie spawns the rebellion and the rest is history. Yes I know I'm good you don't have to tell me.
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may i interrupt you for some news concerning goonies2: richard donner visited la comicon and mentioned that he and spielberg had some cool idea for goonies2 and a great plot to come up with.(that sounds almost ironical in that TB context but that`s what he said) aaaannd donner said: We approached Warner Bros. with the idea but they turned us away, so we kinda need some more fan support to show Warner's someone wants this picture." that`s actualy what he`s supposed to have said! so if you want gooniesII. here`s the adress: Warner Bros.
4000 Warner Blvd.
Burbank, CA 91522!!!!!!!!!!
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Prequals should of been made for TV movies. The best part is the SW logo at the beginning. Talk about relations. I had mentioned on another Talkback, about:
In TESB why did Vadar stop Boba Fett from shooting Chewbacca? Simple it was written that way. Chewbacca was a popular character, it would make no sense to shoot him. But you people that try to put it all together say. Its because Vadar realized his droid was on Chewbaccas back. Those of you that arent able to follow: Watch it again. Right before Han Solo is put in the Carbonite, Chewy goes Bezerk. Bobba Fett is going to shoot him, Vadar pushes Fetts blaster down. I'm not ready to even think that GL thought of all of this in 1980. Did he ever have any thoughts that made sense for his movies. By the way you all suck. Yes i'll be downloading porn of your mothers and daughters all night. best comedy so far. -
Even in '77, GL was paying homage to Buster Crab Space Operas, that's what he was shooting for. But GL didn't have the experience to really make that kind of serial. He missed the mark and thank God he did.
GL is still set on making his space opera and he's getting better at it. Unfortunately, a 40's style Space Opera was lame and is lame. GL doesn't appreciate the sublime reality of the original Ep4. He considers it a cheat, doesn't value it, and is working very hard to destroy it.
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george lucas, if you were gonna work your chops up again, why did you have to do so with your most loved works of art? this is interesting, this here spoiler, but you know whut? ya suck. Bye.
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AICN scooped everyone, including TFN, with the General Grevious description. In fact the whole opening scene to the movie went up on AICN first, and has been confirmed slowly in the months afterward. AICN is also the only site with Revolutions reviews up. This site rocks...
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.....you are a dumbass, my friend. The whole "go out and make your own movie before you criticize somebody else's!" argument is complete and total bullshit. Only filmmakers get to critique films? Gimme a f*cking break. Do you make movies? I'm guessing you don't. Have you ever disliked a movie before? Of course you have. So you just disproved your own f*cking argument :) So what do you propose? That all of us who aren't involved in making movies MUST enjoy every movie that comes along? Sorry to belabor the point, but I think by now you can see that your position is completely undefendable. Obviously you are just a little peeved that everybody is ragging on a movie that you like. I can relate, and the only thing to do is adopt a "f*ck them, their loss" attitude about it. The thing NOT to do is to try to imply that they have no right to criticism, because that is just f*cking ridiculous.
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.....found many of the ideas & creatures from the show made it to the new movies. Some of the speeders and a couple creatures were very close in design to Episode 1 & 2 stuff. I do believe that Lucas has had a lot of this stuff in his head since Return Of The Jedi. Another interesting thing was that Ben Burtt (sound man on Star Wars) and Paul Dini (Batman Beyond)wrote most of the Droids episodes. Weird. I do not believe this "spoiler" by the way. Sounds like bullshit wrapped in a tortilla....
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that sounds awesome. i cant wait, im going to see it seven times. i bet this is even better than episode 2 (which is my favorite of the series, by the way. for my money it doesnt get much better than yoda with a lightsaber. that was sooo random). George Lucas is a diety, and although to be honest im not much of a fan of the old ones (and ive never seen empire comes back) i loved episode 1. i saw it five times and i saw episode two six times. Who does that? my friends and i are so different and cool. we really love to shatter social norms (but i digress). Everyone who reads this should see episode 3 at least 3 times. Get it 3 times, that was a clever play on words :) plus i heard chewbakca was in it, that is so random. i cant wait!!!
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Holy shit, I am so tired of this "for kids" bullshit. When did this start??? "Well, the prequels have crappy dialogue and acting, but their for kids, so it's ok". WHY THE HELL ARE THEY FOR KIDS????? The original series was not for kids (except for the Ewok parts of RotJ). Ok, sure, about a zillion teenage boys f*cking loved the original Star Wars and saw it a thousand times in the theater, but you cannot f*cking tell me that when GL was making the first Star Wars he was making it expressly for children. That is complete and utter bullshit of the worst kind. And you know what? I don't know what kids you all know, but the ones I know don't even f*cking give a shit about the prequels. Sure they "like" them, but there are a ton of other movies they like better, and you can't compare the affect of the prequels on kids nowadays to what the original trilogy did. It's a f*cking cop-out is what it is. Besides, if Pixar movies have taught us one thing it's that you can make a movie "for kids" that is still f*cking awesome and that adults will enjoy, so you can't use the "for kids" argument to defend the prequels' crappiness.
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that sounds awesome. i cant wait, im going to see it seven times. i bet this is even better than episode 2 (which is my favorite of the series, by the way. for my money it doesnt get much better than yoda with a lightsaber. that was sooo random). George Lucas is a diety, and although to be honest im not much of a fan of the old ones (and ive never seen empire comes back) i loved episode 1. i saw it five times and i saw episode two six times. Who does that? my friends and i are so different and cool. we really love to shatter social norms (but i digress). Everyone who reads this should see episode 3 at least 3 times. Get it 3 times, that was a clever play on words :) plus i heard chewbakca was in it, that is so random. i cant wait!!!
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does anyone know how any of the Ep III footage shown in that AOTC "Romance" trailer fits in with the new movie? especially that one shot of a roomful of guys in Boba Fett armor...
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Somebody posted earlier about not knowing what a Merovingian was. For the sake of edification, the Merovingian Kings were Frankish monarchs in Dark Ages Europe. They claimed their right to rule by saying that Christ had a brother and that they were descended directly from Christ's bloodline. Among other things, they claimed to have the power of miracles and set themselves up as rivals to the early Papacy. They were also well known for being brutal, debauched and petty. They were also inept, and I don't think they made it to 800. Since they're laying on the Christ Figure motif pretty heavily in the Matrix, the character of the Merovingian is someone who could be as effective as the local Christ figure, but wastes his power on cakes that give an orgasm. He's morally incapable of using his advantages. It also explains his decor of Frankish and Norman statuary. So now you know.
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Oct 23, 2003 7:21:18 PM CDT
'www.starwarz.com/tbone' is a f*ing piece of crap...frigging 'ta
by truthseekr1488
They actually managed to invent something more irritating than a pop-up...a full-screen ad you are forced to look at before proceeding to the actual site. (I've seen it before too)...bad enough, but when you CAN'T GET THROUGH the f*ing takeover ad because it keeps flashing back again and again...well, what can i say? fuck 'em.
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That was beautiful.
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RightNutOfGod explained it best i think
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Holy shit, is that not the funniest line you have ever read?! Why the f*ck did you buy them in the first place?! "Umm.....I got them for Christmas.........."
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Being the shortage of robot parts they seemingly have in the SW universe, it makes complete sense to use a donated leg - instead of say, I dunno, the brand new leg that C-3PO apparently will get to replace the leg he gives up.
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Spoiler is correct...
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Oct 23, 2003 7:57:53 PM CDT
I can't believe how you guys are whining like old people with no
by kid_protocol
I agree with the guy who said stop complaing about these movies like you have some sort of personal stake in them and go make your own. Now I'll admin that the two prequal movies sucked ass beyond all belief. But we all know George Lucas isn't a good director. As much as I and everybody in hear loved the first Star Wars movie, you have to admit that it wasn't that great. Now The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were far better. They also weren't directed by George Lucas. And this whole you are all bitching about how you view Darth Vader differently now that you heard a rumor that C3PO donates a limb or two is pissing me off. I highly doubt that Darth Vader is walking around with 3PO's limbs in the original trilogy. There is a 20 year gap. Don't you think that within those 20 years he will upgrade his body parts to something better. Bottom line: George Lucas is directing so we know that this last movie isn't going to a superior peice of film, but just like pizza even when it's not that good it's still alright. And who know's maybe well get lucky and and the three sequals to the original trilogy will be made. And from what I heard Lucas doesn't want to direct and Speilberg might direct. Now this isn't final and if it does happen won't be for a good 7-8 years. So all you people complaing about how the new trilogy sucks better get your asses to film school so that maybe you have a shot to have some input with the sequals if they are ever made.
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Oct 23, 2003 8:05:03 PM CDT
congratulations FluffyUnbound on the funniest post I have ever r
by magyarman
I am literally in pain from laughter. It is so true: talkback is some fine entertainment (better than the Prequels at least). And better writing, too.
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Oct 23, 2003 8:20:17 PM CDT
MAN-GOD Bruce Campbel (the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet
by magyarman
Sorry, I just wanted to combine the three most-spoken phrases on AICN. On topic: this spoiler is complete bullshit.
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Well that's okay by me, interesting if true. This new addition of gold legs underneath Vader's aromor gives a new spin to Hooper X's diatribe about how the white man keeps the brother man down, even in a galaxy far far away. "You got Darth Vader, the blackest brother in the galaxy, Nubian guy,"what's a nubian?", SHUT THE FUCK UP!, now Vader he's a spiritual brother, down with the force and all that good shit, then this cracker, Skywalker, get's his hands on a light saber and decides he's gonna run the fucking universe, get's a whole KLAN of whites together and they go and bust up Vader's hood, the Deathstar, now what the fuck do you call that?, "intergalactic civil war?", GENTRIFICATION!, they're gonna drive out the black element to make the galaxy, quote unquote, safe for white folks, and "Jedi" is the most insulting installment because Vader's beautiful black visage is sullied when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty old white man, they tryin' to tell us that deep inside, we all wants to be WHITE!" "well isn't that true?" (BANG!) God I love that scene
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About time people see Lucas for the hack he really is. Now for all of you twenty and thirty somethings who seem to think the original trilogy is plated in gold...wake up! It's just childhood nostalgia! I saw the original Star Wars on opening night, 1977 and I though it was shit then. George is not getting worse, you're just getting older, more mature and more discriminating.
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Oct 23, 2003 8:33:52 PM CDT
Scottreadwell... come back... come back... to Mordor we will tak
by iamlegolas
Man I'm disappointed, I came back from work and this TB just a year ago would have been 3 times the size it is now. Just more truth about how nobody cares anymore.
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Yes, it's true, these talkbacks are far more entertaining than any mere movie. I have spent countless hours reading these talkbacks over the last two years, yet have only posted around 15 times.
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Wrap your head around this one. Industrial Light and Magic (or ILM as we love to call them) is a business OWNED by George Lucas. What does ILM do? Special effects. So, the reason Lucas keeps making special effects filled movies is not to improve the story or open whole new worlds - it's to show off his compnay. Episode II was an investement reel for ILM. It was a "Hey! Look what we can do!" The reason Jar Jar Binks exists, and the reason Episode II was shot in front of a green screen, is because Lucas is pushing his company's product. This is the same thing that will happen to Indy 4. They'll pump it full of CG, not to improve the storytelling process - to show off! If movies (especially Lucas movies) stopped having tons of special effects, then ILM workers would be out of a job. If everyone decided one day "Hey! We're going to make small movies without effects," then a whole industry of people would be out of business. It's a scam, and Episodes I, II, III, Indy 4, and any further "updated" DVD's will only be commercials for a business.
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I've taken this "force" shit with a grain of salt my entire fucking life, the only secret it that Padme would have to been basically raped to be impregnated by such a whiner (or she did it just to shut him up) Now you have one last shot to explain how Luke "talks to dead people" and why Ben and Yoda disappear instead of becoming worm food like their fellow jedi's.
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I was just giving an example of what kind of cool thing the emp should have. Hes obviously the toughest 'jedi\sith' out there probably outclassing anakin as well.
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I am getting tired of all this shit being written by idiots who want to bash bash bash movies even before they are fucking made. So, you hear one piece of spoiler crap that probably is not true, and allready Ep 3 sux. well you all suck. Its ok to judge a movie after its in the theaters, but to do it before doesnt fucking make sense. You all just need to get a fucking life. Maybe if you had a significant other that wasnt your keyboard then maybe you guys wouldn't be so fucking negative.
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A salute to your undying genius. Best damn post I EVER read.
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"Derp A-Derpa Derp!" Anakin Skywalker's been a Jedi, a podracer and a snotty little brat slave, now he's...a STAPLER! Derpa-derp.
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Oct 23, 2003 9:10:58 PM CDT
Man, some of you losers SERIOUSLY need to go out and get laid.
by commando cody
You anti-Lucas, anti-Star Wars, anti-anything fun who can't accept that it's just a fucking movie SERIOUSLY need to get up from the keyboard, hit the bathroom, and take a crap to unconstipate yourselves. William Shatner called all of you lame-o-zoids right. Get a life, already. Do you even BOTHER to realize the insane geek drivel you write? The saddest part is some of you have wandered far beyond the already lame "waste of space" label and veered off to become truly PATHETIC. Oh yeah, by the way...I'll be there opening day to see Episode III just because I'll be able to say it's ONLY a fucking movie and I can enjoy it for that. And I DO want to see how Lucas wraps it all up, and I'm SURE it'll be great with some kick ass production values well worth my money...probably moreso than any other movie that summer. Plus I'll be there loving the fact that I'll be taking my young neice and nephew -- who both ADORE the prequels and can't get enough of them -- and they'll be grinning from ear to ear and having the movie time of their childhood lives, which is EXACTLY what Lucas was aiming for to begin with.
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Can anyone else please confirm this cos I dont have the tape to hand and cant remember off the the top of my head. When Vadar dies, does his body vanish, like Yoda and Obi-wan, leaving just his mechanical parts and the armour or did the whole body remain? I was sure it was the latter and pccman2 thinks its the former. I am trying to get my head around the theory of dead Jedi joining the force as those 'ghosts' we have seen in the films and how come Vadar was able to appear alongside Yoda and Obi-wan at the end of ROTJ despite his body remaining intact after he died. Whereas both Yoda's and Obi-wan's bodies vanished.
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Yawn. Don't care. Talk to the hand. Yawn. Zzzzzz......
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You're the fucking loser, Commando. Get real with the "it's ONLY a movie" shit. What do you think this site is all about? What type of people are most likely to write in on talkbacks at AICN? That's right -people who like to discuss their views of movies. If you want to sign off with the banal, copout "it's ONLY a movie" argument, then you need to write into the talkback at www.lostinadultland.com. I'm sure the people there would be far more receptive to your opinions.
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Man, I was hoping Obi got to smack-down Ani's punk-ass!
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Oct 23, 2003 11:14:59 PM CDT
Sorry, Mafu. You're wrong. Gotta go with Cody on this one..
by big dumb ape
...It IS only a movie. This isn't on the level of medical science or decision making where literally HUMAN LIVES are in the balance and at stake. It's just a movie and film ENTERTAINMENT. Sure, you're right that the people who post here are a specific group. They're movie fans and THAT'S the love they'll share and THAT'S the "art form" they'll debate over here. But Cody's basic point -- which WAS echoed by plenty of others here as well -- is that some people here have taken their belligerence towards Lucas to a truly ridiculous "foaming at the mouth" level. For evidence of this, reach for dictionary, look under "Fan geek: Lucas raped my childhood." So at that point they're not even doing what YOU are supporting. That is, they're NOT even debating the movie itself -- which mind you, ISN'T EVEN FUCKING OUT YET. Hell, it's STILL in production. So the TRUE irony here is that you're saying this should all somehow be an intellectual debate about film, yet the people who are frothing at the mouth here are doing it over a freakin' RUMOR. Which, I'm sorry, but to paraphrase you makes all of THEM the "fucking losers."
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I think the prequels get too bad a rap compared to the worst piece of Star Wars film ever released... The Star Wars Christmas Special
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is the only good film out of the bunch....all of the rest of them SUCK. And all you little Ewok peter suckers need to take a reality check.
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To say that Star Wars is just a movie is to say that it's in the same league as My Boss's Daughter or Gigli. Those are also "just movies." But Star Wars is more than that - it's an art piece that defined a generation and revolutionized sci-fi filmmaking. And it's not the specifics within the SW universe that people are becoming outraged with Lucas for, it's his molestation of the art that is (or was) Star Wars. Picasso never went back to do touch-ups on his old paintings. He just finished the damn things and let people interpret them. That's what all art is - the audience's interpretation of what the artist puts out there. And with Episode I and II, Lucas decided he was done making art. He was done doing anything that needed to be interpreted by the audience. He was ready to do whatever was necessary to make money. If it meant dumbing the movies down and making them kid-friendly, then that's what he had to do. Anyone who says Star Wars (or any movie for that matter) is merely for entertainment purposes, is most likely to understand the movie in the first place. A little concept called subtext.
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...but reading them every night since this site began? A. They haven't always been that interesting. B. Many still aren't very interesting. C. Part of the fun is to post, to take sides, to back up the guy who's right and to shoot down the motherfucker who's stupid. At least that's how it was in the good ole' days of talkbackin'. And about the whole raping-of-childhood thing...I just think classic ideas and characters are better off preserved the way they are. Why take something that could be immortal and end it on such a sour note? Just a thought. www.rockithardcore.com
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Is Anakin going to be like the knight from the holy grail?? WTF?
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K. Everyone knows that the prequels are shit, especially episode II. Obviously GL has lost his mind and has become a crack whore, but we must remember that the directors of Empire (the best of the trilogy) and Return of the Jedi (definetly second), were not directed by GL. The man pretty much has no skill, the original Star Wars was only riding on the back of Kurasowa's hidden fortress so what are we to expect. Stuff like 3P0's leg becoming vader's and all the tons of other dumb shit.
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I think I can some up my opinion of you in one short phrase, "you're a stoopid head." Cheers.
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Oct 24, 2003 1:52:06 AM CDT
Scottreadwell did have a semi-valid point: namely, for all your
by big dumb ape
I mean...really...there is something to be said for his core argument. So, gettting down and dirty about it (and thus starting an all-new thread of people bitching about something) what makes you think YOU'RE opinion is right OR should even carry any weight if you've (1) never worked in the arts (2) never fostered your own creative idea from conception to execution (3)never had to deal with pushing it through a major or small studio or (4) never had to deal with the headaches of securing full financing... and finally, last but not least, (5) actually getting off your ass to MAKE a damn movie where you have to balance your "vision" against the realities of what you can or can't shoot and are able to get in the can. Not to mention, once you do ALL of that -- and actually show it to the public to be judged -- if YOU'D possess thick enough skin when people started constantly coming up to you and saying "Dude, that shot was weak!" "Dude, that dialogue was flat!" "Dude, that SFX shot sucked!" "Dude, I just watch movies but I just KNOW I could do better than you ever could!" So for all the bagging on Scottreadweell I'm just curious how many here can actually say they've had the balls to put their money where their mouth is and actually go out and do it...or at least TRY to do it. And once you have, and if you've succeeded, if it makes you look at talkbacks like this (and the opinions expressed therein) in a different light. As in "Man, these people are right" versus "Man, these people haven't got a clue."
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Bruce Campbell should play Anikan.....cuz Hans Fagenstin SUCKS MY BALLS
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I mean, does Vader have a robotic thingie? That would explain why 3PO never had one wouldn't it? We he once a "full service" droid?
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I personally think the rumor is complete bullshit. Sure it's entertaining and comical but let's try something called reality. IT'S NOT GONNA FUCKING HAPPEN!!! If it does happen will I throw a fit and have to claim temporary insanity in court like some people would? No. I hated Jar Jar Binks but I didn't make it a life mission to keep bitching about it like lots of people.Did I think the Jar Jar character was a racial stereotype? No I didn't. I didn't have that much free time on my hand to ponder on it. The Phantom Menace was aimed at the youths of today and I can guarantee that not one kid thought of Jar Jar as a racial stereotype. What does all this have to do with the subject? People are trying to find anything and everything to bitch about because this prequel trilogy has been disappointing. I absolutely love the original trilogy. It's always been my favorite film/series all my life. That was until LOTR which is far superior than any Star Wars film in MY opinion. Will I see Episode III? I will be at the midnight showing. Why? Just like everyone else. I want to see how this trilogy ends. I did enjoy Phantom Menace as a popcorn movie. I enjoyed Attack of the Clones too. Did I love them? No I didn't but I did like them for what they were. Laugh if you want but these movies made a lot of money and it wasn't just because it was a Star Wars name. It had a lot of return business from people just like Spider-Man did. Just like the original trilogy did. Hell, just like Titanic did. It means people actually enjoyed these movies. But there are some people who actually thought Charlie's Angels was a good movie as well. Nobody's perfect.
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I WOULD LIKE TO A SEE 3PO PORN MOVIE WITH HIM AND R2 RAPING OSCAR THE GROUCHES TRASH CAN!
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It's only a leg. Relax.
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You said (quote): "We'll never hear someone argue politics unless they've run for office. We'll never hear a critique of music unless the guy's written a song." Well, the last time I checked Fox news, CNN, MSNBC or ANY of the major networks when they DO have people arguing about politics, it's NOT like they bring out a handful of average Joes (or Janes) off the street, plop them down in the studio, point a camera at them and say "Go at it, boys. America wants to hear YOU GUYS debate politics." So who DO they choose to put on MEET THE PRESS or THIS WEEK to argue politics? Either someone who actually DID hold an office or who unsuccessfully ran for one, and thus at the very leasat has actual experience IN politics so they can talk from not only an intellectual stance, but an enlightened one too having been IN that particular arena. And yes, I'd argue the best music reviews or music criticism does come from someone with an actual musical background AS WELL as a lifelong love of the field, and thus has also spent a zillion hours listening to things. Now, to me, "professional experience" doesn't totally diminish the opinion of the average Joe, but to some degree Ape's notion that people bitching about something that they have no real experience in (particularly the arts or an outright creative endeavor) and who have never even attempted to do something themselves has some shred of validity. I get the point he's making (which actually goes back to Scottreadwell's post). Ape's not ruling out anyone being able to have an opinion. In fact, he wasn't making a judgement at all...he was actually tossing out a QUESTION for people to answer. Which was essentially, for all your bitching, have YOU tried to do this yourself? Now, if you want to dodge that question so be it. If you want to take the old tact of "Well I don't know if it's art, but I know like it (or don't)" and use that as your grounds for arguing, fine, just say that. But Ape has an intriquing question which I think it would be interesting and fun for people here to answer. Who here is a bitcher versus who here is an actual DOER?
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It's only a leg, indeed. I think that sums it up. You'd think people would find something of real merit to argue over, not a stupid rumor. Particularly one that even if it's true, is hardly the end of the world. Hell, Harry's right. It does add something. It IS a good twist. Personally, I think it could be a good idea depending on "how" it's executed in the movie, at what point, and the relevence as to "why" Anakin would need a sudden "part" like that. I mean, if he's wounded early in the movie (the big action opening)...gets a robot leg...later goes Sith and fights Obi Wan...then gets damaged and Obi thinks Anakin's down for the count, but Anakin goes off and lightsabers C3PO to get some parts he needs to keep the final fight going, that in his anger he just WON'T be stopped...that could be bad ass. Again, it just depends on how it's done. And that's even IF the rumor is true, which other sites like the FORCE.NET seem to be saying from their spy networks that's it's NOT. Sheesh, this is getting ridiculous. Next these naysayers will be chomping at the bits and denouncing the flick simply because they didn't like the brand of rolls the caterer was serving on the Episode III lot.
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Big fight between Obi-wan and Anikin. Anikin has the upper hand until Obi uses the line "If you kill me now, I will only come back stronger" Anikin freezes for a second and Obi-wan uses that to lay the smack down on him.
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Finding Nemo and Shrek and other kids movies are more well written than the SW prequels? I saw AOTC last night on cable and it is just wrong. Aside from the silly dialog, they really needed to recast these actors save for Ewan. When a cg character like Yoda is turning in a more credible performance than the leads, there is something wrong.
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These STAR WARS talk backs are the best entertainment!
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Glad to see you in yet another SW TB! Your amazing brand of cinematic revisionism is one of the reasons I keep coming back. Unfortunately, I think people are so up in arms over the phony leg spoiler that they missed that truly sublime piece of troll bait you posted. Overall, this TB almost rivals the infamous "Grando" talkback in terms of laughter.
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Dude, when I read your posts I die of laughter. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.You say that Lucas has made crap, and you hate him so much, but yet who is the one watching the movies. You. I betcha you watch Ep.3, just like George wants you too. The thing is, obviously you care enough about the crap he's made to comment multiple times in this TB about some RUMOR, not even about the finished film. I betcha you own the DVD's too! Oh, btw, since you like my handle so much, I betcha you come to AICN in order to meet girls. StillDragons would definitely pull in Catherine Zeta Jones. Lets see , what else do you "think"? You probably "think" that Jenny from sexcams really wants to meet you, thats why she wrote you. Attention everyone here's Still Dragons Top 10 Best Movies of all time (in no particular order):
Crossroads, Driving Miss Daisy, Steel Magnolias, Gigli, Masters of the Universe, Time Bandits, Star Trek the Motion Picture, Harry and The Hendersons, My Big Fat Greek Wedding, and at NUMBER ONE----------> Titanic!
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Dude, when I read your posts I die of laughter. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.You say that Lucas has made crap, and you hate him so much, but yet who is the one watching the movies. You. I betcha you watch Ep.3, just like George wants you too. The thing is, obviously you care enough about the crap he's made to comment multiple times in this TB about some RUMOR, not even about the finished film. I betcha you own the DVD's too! Oh, btw, since you like my handle so much, I betcha you come to AICN in order to meet girls. StillDragons would definitely pull in Catherine Zeta Jones. Lets see , what else do you "think"? You probably "think" that Jenny from sexcams really wants to meet you, thats why she wrote you. Attention everyone here's Still Dragons Top 10 Best Movies of all time (in no particular order):
Crossroads, Driving Miss Daisy, Steel Magnolias, Gigli, Masters of the Universe, Time Bandits, Star Trek the Motion Picture, Harry and The Hendersons, My Big Fat Greek Wedding, and at NUMBER ONE----------> Titanic!
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I have a cassette tape of a presentation from the late David Mumford, who was the executive show producer on the Star Tours attraction in 1987. In the queue of the attraction, 3P0's leg is silver from the knee down. Mumford described this as fitting into Lucas' mythology as being like in the real world. For instance, you have a red car, and need to replace the right front panel, but you go to the junkyard, and all they have is the limegreen front panel. You buy that, because you can't find your red panel. We've all seen this on real cars. So, according to Mumford who was told by Lucas, the day 3PO's leg fell off, it was replaced with a silver one, rather than gold.
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I have the Art of Star Wars book from 1982 which depicts the "leg donation" scene across 4 storyboards. It was supposed to be in Jedi, though.
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Oct 24, 2003 5:31:02 PM CDT
If anyone has a problem with "Time Bandits", keep it to your fuc
by fluffyunbound
Next you'll be telling me you have a problem with "Empire of the Sun", and then I will know you are a peasant.
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if you believe this story. further, anyone who thinks that the original versions will "never" be made available on dvd, or HD-DVD when that format is prominent, is truly naive. what you assholes really want is a forum to judge the works of a billionaire from the safe and hidden confines of your parent's homes, all the while spewing what are basically "lies" with regard to being so despondent over how Lucas is handling his own creation, that the laughable claims of "i won't see this" are stated again and again.
i loved the earlier post from one of you frightened rejects that stated simply "i'm done."
yeah, ok kid. you're "done", until the SE versions come out on dvd next year, and you buy them, or when EPIII arrives in may of 2005, and you see it at least 4-5 times, making sure to see it at the midnight premiere.
these "awful prequels" don't wind up making a ton of money because "no one likes them", ok assmonkeys?
they make money because 90% of you all are very happy with them, but are afraid to dare say it, lest you be chastised in the presence of the same jocks who have ALWAYS been kicking your pathetic little asses, or even worse, GOD forbid, someone on something so important as AICN "mocks" you for liking them.
wake up fuckers. these films are popular, and almost everyone of you pretentious dickheads owns BOTH on dvd, purchased from a store. so please, lose the attitude of being "done" with a film series that you never stopped loving anyway.
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Empire of the Sun??? Next thing you will be telling us about how wonderful the English Patient was.
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Jesus,here I thought the Matrix:Reloaded ranters had a lock on hilarious opinions about a shit movie.I stand corrected.
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I'm reading everyone's outrage, and the theme is how much the prequels suck, and how great the originals were. Well I love them all, but will take the darth maul blood cloud followed by his split over the lame by comparison obi-wan vader fight any day. As well as the "too-many decapitations to count in 1 movie that got away with a pg rating deathfest" that was aotc, over ewoks with rocks or yoda lifts a spaceship. My point is the new trilogy is the better trilogy. And Lucas likes to put false rumors on the internet to piss scoopers off, so I guess if you don't like it, suck on d's.
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just wondering
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Oct 24, 2003 10:10:04 PM CDT
Commando Cody, I've disagreed with you in the past--but in this
by noriko takaya
All of the hate, cynicism and negativity you see in AICN Star Wars (and now, increasingly, Matrix) Talkbacks are why I now chose to post over at places like theforce.net or read Darkhorizons.com rather then come here. That, plus the Forums at theforce.net are *moderated* (big plus) and the html/formatting is 1,000x better then Harry's 1995-era junk. Sorry Harry, I luv ya man, but you just don't have it anymore. Clean up this mess, get a Slashdot-style moderation system going, do something about the rampant Trolling/flaming and I might come back, but until then. . .adios. Toppu o Nerae!
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People that were old enough to see and grasp Star Wars in 1977 are in denial about how silly and wooden the original films seemed to some of their older siblings and parents. And for kids born in 1977 (like myself), the *toys* were all that really mattered. Appreciation of the original trilogy as high art was a cumulative effect, and (I'm trying to be objective here) it was entirely a matter of building a cult following through ingeniously manipulative marketting.
So, when Anthony gives his left foot to Hayden, and Ewan makes a move on that hot Israeli Natalie, accusing the genius filmmaker of "raping your childhood" is really just drama-queen stuff that fails to take into account the larger socio-economic milieu. And whether the myopic and anachronistic fanboys like the story or not, the whole saga will still stand as the most elaborate stories ever produced, and they'll survive for centuries. -
cause it's done! This from one of the biggest SW fans around.
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There is a solution, STOP GOING TO SEE THE MOVIES! Listen, I hate yogurt so I don't eat it. I don't feel the need to winge on and on about how bad it tastes and the horrible aftertaste it leaves in my mouth, I JUST DON"T EAT IT! And I can't believe someone actually blamed Lucas for raping his childhood...please, we should all kick in to buy this guy a FRICKIN' LIFE! I love Star Wars and have fond memories of it from my childhood as well, but those memories are my own. I hated Greedo shooting first with a white hot passion as well as everyone else, so I don't watch that version. They are Lucas' films and he can do whatever he wants with them. I repeat, they are HIS FILMS, HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS WITH THEM! That is all I have to say about that.
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...about the desecration of the Star Wars franchise. George Lucas' universe has so much potential, it truly is a shame to see him to take a massive dump all over it. What the hell is with all of these stupid sci-fi cliches, melodramatic bs, and squeaky-clean kid-friendly sanitized crap that is episodes I and II? Episode III needs to go in the opposite direction, with a more serious, darker tone and bad-ass hardcore violent lightsaber battles, with awesome choreography and severed limbs flying everywhere.
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George is going to force some connections to the OT obviously. theforce.net has much better spoilers than this minor revelation that Harry's put on his site. Harry why don't you put a REAL spoiler about Episode 3 on here, like how Mace Windu dies or how the Jedi find out that Sidious and Palpatine are the same guy? Now those would be spoilers. Or better yet, find out for sure if Padme dies or not. I've heard both stories, so some confirmation would be nice.
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Oct 25, 2003 8:49:37 AM CDT
I think what happens is that 3PO offers his "parts", but as a sh
by red raider
Just like in Star Wars, 3PO says: "if any of mu\y circuits or gears will help, I'll glady donate them". Luke replies: "he'll be alright", as the technicians take R2 away for repair. I think in Episode 3 the scene will be similar. Medical technicians will carry Anakin away, while 3PO offers his parts willingly, in the hope that it'll make his master better. I they actually show a scene where they have to hock parts off 3PO to patch up Anakin, I will laugh out loud, beacuse that is stupid! I don't think it'll happen, and if Lucas does it the way I'm theorizing, it should make for a touching scene. *sniff-sniff*!
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The original trilogy is way better. I think it is better because there was a mystery surrounding how these characters intertwined with eachother.
With these prequels we are being shown what was once a mystery and we will know how these characters got to the point that they were in the prequels.
Its just like trying to show something in a film that the audience doesn't really need to know to be entertained.
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Man, these talkbacks are so awesome.
First, you have someone bitch about something.
Then, you have someone bitch at the bitch, telling them not to bitch.
After that, the bitch tries to validate their bitch.
Next, the bitch who bitched at the bitch, tries to negate their validation which in turn, negates their secondary bitch, thus causing a total quantum loop.
Seriously, people love to bitch. This is a place where people can get together and either electronically circle jerk each other about things they love or electronically throw them in a pile and take turns stomping on them with both feet. Sometimes it is both.
Sure, it's only a fucking movie. And this is only a fucking talkback. None of us are changing the world. We're not changing Luca$' mind. So, who cares? Whoever said this is art, was right. It's the art of making up an identity and then playing it out. It's the same as acting. It's the same as hundreds of writers and actors have done throughout history with their own "true" life stories. Who gives a fuck? Vive la masquerade, you pigs.
Anyway, I have a friend of a friend who assures me that Ani's whole turning into Vader thing will be shot as a montage of anime by production I.G. I've seen the storyboards and you pigfuckers better get a bib and a colostomy bag, because this shit will not be stopped. Check it: Ani is only faking being dark side. The thing with the sand people convinced him that douchebags in robes suck. So, in fact, realizing that Palpy is the dark lord, and also that most older men in Star wars are aging, pedophile drag queens from London, he decides to shack up with the man in black in order to ASSasinate him. Think that's hot? There's more...
It is revealed in part 3 that the universe far, far away is actually a lot closer than we think. Star wars actually takes place in a post-post apocalyptic Milky Way Galaxay which is revealed when Obi wan does a duet of Memories with an ewok in a tutu.
The climactic battle between Obi and Ani actually takes place in Hawaii. Watch for a cameo by Stitch, that adorable alien cut up. In an effort to get back to his "artictic" roots, whenever Obi wan's face is on screen in this battle, the word America will flash very quickly and when Ani is on screen, the word Iraq will flash. Suddenly, as Obi is about to strike Ani down, the movie slows down, ala matrix and you can actually see the genital bulges of Obi (significant) and Ani (diminutive) shrink into non-existence (thanks ILM) as they throw aside their lightsabers and share a man-kiss.
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They're movies. Magical when we were 5, but now that we have grown and can understand how they are made, we blame the creator for damning his universe. HIS universe. He created it, it's Lucas' to do whatever he wants with it. So you bitch about Greedo shooting first. You bitch about a shitty CG Jabba. And Jar Jar. Yet you still buy the toys, you buy the videos and bootleg DVD's, and you pay to see the movies. Why? Because it's Star Wars. No matter what. And all of you who do bitch about Lucas sucking whatever and how he's taken away your childhood, I'm sure there's a site somewhere with a fantastic "Steel Magnolia" thread.
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Dude, that was another classic post that deserves to be bronzed and put into the smithsonian as the best example of crap there is! First of all I would recommend against putting secret fantasies of yours in your intelligent posts. So, that means your so called 3rd leg (mentioned in another classic post) and donkey cock sucking references are out. So, let me get this straight, you snuck into Star Wars movies? Dude, are you like 12? You couldn't suffer the indignity of paying for a movie. And, you own the DVD because your brother left it at your house??? How hard is it to drop it off at blockbuster? We all know the reasons why you didnt turn it in, you are a thief and a fan. Once again I have to point this out. ITS A FUCKING RUMOR!!!!
There it is in big black letters. You can rant and rave about the "retardedness" in filmmaking that this is, but you don't even know if it is true or not! And for the record, I think that is stupid too. (Wow, I actually agree with you) But, I will not let rumors and second hand information prejudge a movie before I fucking see it. Thats the problem with these movie sites. People think that they have to hear good things about a movie so that they can go see it. How about we see a movie first before you rant and rave about it. Heres another thought dragons, I think you want Ep. 3 to be good. That has to be reason why you keep seeing Lucas stuff and commenting multiple times in here. It would be safe to say in the next Star Wars rumor or Jedi Council you will faithfully be there ranting and raving in the TB. You didn't like Willow, neither did I. (thats 2). YOu didn't like the first 2 SW prequels. Thats your right and opinion. But, you can't say the next one is gonna suck. I don't care if all his previous movies sucked. (Did you like Indiana Jones at all?) Taking your logic, that means that Revolutions is gonna blow just because Matrix and Reloaded suck. That doesn't make sense dude. By the same token, just because Fellowship and Two Tower rock doesn't mean that Return is gonna be the greatest! Ask all those matrix fans who were dissapointed by reloaded if they thought it was going to be great before they saw the movie. Every one of them will say just because matrix was cool reloaded was "going to be cool". But, then a magical thing happened, they saw the MOVIE in the THEATER. That would be my #1 recommendation for you to do. Talk to me after you do that. That goes for the rest o f you bashers! See you in the theater in 05, even if you have to "sneak" in StillDragons. I betcha you hoping for PG dude, just to make it easier for you. -
Loses the fight, more like... unless...
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my theory is that Jedi who have not completely given themselves over to the Darkside will become one with the Force and become "ghosts" like Obi-wan and Yoda, but I believe to do so the bodies either A) have to be incinerated on a funeral pyre B) totally obliterrated at the time of death (i.e. blown up with a planet or C) they must mentally prepare themselves for death using a Jedi mind technique that requires at least a few seconds of preparation. Yoda knew he was passing so he did it. Obi wan knew he was about to die so he stalled with the "strike me down" speech and prepared himself. Anakin/ Vader had not completely gone over to the Darkside (there was still a struggle within himself and in the end he found redemption) but he did not prepare himself, possibly because he started to be turned to the Darkside before learning that technique, consequensely he had to be burned on a funeral pyre. Qui-gon was surprised by his own death and did not have time to prepare himself and thus HE was burned on a pyre. All part of the Jedi Rites and Rituals...page 42, BWAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...ok so I was just bullshittin' ya...sounded good enough, didn't it?
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Like "breeeep! tschingieyowieee (and so on)!" I think that would be an improvement to the last two crapisodes. Let's bring in the funny robots to save Lucas' ass! And pleeeease don't make sequels to the first movies. Someone should tell Georgieboy: "Once you were a good director, but that's about 25 years ago. So please retire immediately, stop wasting that money and do something else, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!"
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At this point, the Star Wars prequels have become a morbid exercise in obsessive voyeurism to me. Some folks may not care, but I am now helpless in it's grip. I need to know. We've seen Anakin Sywalker the little kid. We've seen Anakin Skywalker the angst-ridden Jedi Padawan. We've seen Darth Vader the cosmic genocidal madman. And, inexplicably, we've seen Anakin Skywalker the genial middle-aged ghost fellow in Jedi robes. All that remains is the final pieces of this mosaic.
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There it is dude, all in one sentence. You are deluded enough to think that these movies would dare live up to the high cinema standards of ep 4 and 5. And you know what, they are the same as the movies today. Lucas didnt change the audience target he was aiming for. The problem is the audience got older and expected to be blown away like they were before. The reason why 4,5 and 6 were so good is because they were groundbreaking, no one else haddone anything like that before. Now, you want the same thing. But, that's not possible. Every year the bar gets raised higher, and theres no way the prequels could ever be received the same way as the original. But guess what? Its just a movie. That's all. And you being old means the whole sneaking in thing makes you sound more of a fucking loser then you already are. I can imagine some fat old dude with his SW shirt going to see someother movie and sneaking during the trailers. Its only 7 dollars. Yeah, it must be tough to afford that if you dont have a real job. Shit your computer must have been a handmedown or you stole that too! And bitch you leave my dad out of this. I can see you at your computer right now, drinking a beer, looking at porn and using kleenex. Go out and get some fresh air, go to the gym and stop breaking the law. Shit you probably one of those fools that downloaded 40 GB of mp3's. Oh btw, I know what happens in ROTk. Its a book, you know. I betcha didn't know that. Bitch ass!
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Get out of the house, losers.
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Sure, we are all entitled to our own opinions, but you guys are ridiculous! Every single person who posted about how stupid, how crappy and dumb EP1, EP2 and now rumors of 3PO giving Anakin bodyparts will be at in line waiting to see EP3. Bandwagoners. It really kills me how no one can be their own person. EP1 and EP2 were great films, worthy of being a part of the Star Wars story. You know what the saddest part is? A Trek freak (me) has to defend Star Wars to Star Wars fans. Hmmm, kinda fucked up... -
Uh hey, macaroni, you are trying to tell me that EP1 and EP2 stories don't make sense? I think that you're still stuck on Jar-Jar, dude. You need to get past the Jar-Jar thing and open your mind. It may be hard, but if you believe you can, you probably...well, you probably won't because your're an idiot who needs comprehension classes. Now fuck off.
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You know what, fuck it. I'm not going to waste my time arguing and/or complaining to or about someone. Fuck it, if you don't want to see it, don't go see it. If you think it's crap, don't go see it, but don't bitch about it before you see, then go see and then bitch again. Take it for what it's worth. Ah, fuck it...
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supershadow.com is the shit. He fuckin knows EVERYTHING about Star Wars. Just ask him. Cheers.
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It is far more logical to suggest that 3PO simply offers some of his parts to his maker than to actually suggest that Vader walked around on 3POs leg. The foot of that leg would never touch the ground unless the man lurched with every step! He COULDN'T use it to produce normal movement, unless of course it was lengthened. Why bother then, when they would have to replace 3POs leg as well in that case. Why not just make a new leg for Anakin to begin with?! GL may be wacko, but he's not that wacko. I don't care what any of you say.
And another thing: I don't get the whole complaint regarding the portrayal of a young Anakin. What did everyone expect? That Anakin popped out of his mother with the breathing apparatus already attached, spouting lines like "I find your lack of faith disturbing" to the people who screamed at his appearance? Of course he was a child who may have had moments of glee during which he cried out "yippee". Of course he was a moody teenager at some point (what teenagers aren't?) who fell madly in love for an object of his affection. The guy didn't start out being evil as the original trilogy pointed out on several occasions. What did you all expect out of a young Anakin then -- a Star Wars version of Damien from the Omen films?! The prequel films are about how something good turns into something evil. The Empire doesn -
Where the hell did you get that Ep1 and Ep2 don't make sense? I never said that. Go back and read again dumbass. Are we even talking to you??? Oh, I haven't forgotten about you Dragons, you will get yours too.
Ok over 30 year old dude sneaking in the movie, it still makes you a loser.
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Oct 27, 2003 9:59:50 PM CST
I THINK ITS SAFE TO SAY THIS PRE-QUEL WILL SUCK LIKE THE OTHERS.
by a 30+ user
WITH HIS POT BELLY HANGING OUT, HECK THIS SCENE COULD BE IN A CANTINA RIGHT NEXT TO RICKY MARTIN, COME ON, HOW ABOUT IT?
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i also heard that its actually jar jars tongue that anakin uses on padme
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