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A Trinity of Ejaculatory MATRIX REVOLUTIONS reviews! 'It's A Sci-fi Lover's Wet Dream!'
Hey folks, Harry here with the first two MATRIX REVOLUTIONS film reviews... This time, unfortunately... that JohnnyComeLately NEAL CUMPSTON, just couldn't get it together this time. But never fear... we have two that did crack the MATRIX and got out with their opinions. Don't worry, they don't spoil it for us, and they're both very very positive... so put on your happy face and countdown these last few moments till you're either shaking your head in aggravation or trembling with elation. Here's Ack...
Harry
Just got back from a screening in New York City of Matrix Revolutions.
Don't want to give away anything...... but-
First off I loved the first and was disappointed by the second. I found Reloaded confusing and boring. The big chase scene at the end was good, but it looked like computer animation. I didn't like how at the end of the first one Neo had the ability to stop bullets and fight in slow motion.... so what do the baddies do in the second one..... they shoot at him and try to beat him with kung fu.
This one starts off exactly where the second ends. It lags for the first fifteen minutes or so. It is a continuation of the second- a lot of boring talk about confusing plot points. Then it goes crazy right until the end. All of the characters are great. The plot great. Effects are stunning. There is a big fight in the middle that, in my opinion is the best ever seen on screen.
They should have taken Reloaded, cut it down to twenty minutes and just added this to the beginning of this film.
See this movie- It's f-ing great!
ACKOk, and now we have this...
Harry--
Thanks to a friend within the large corporate behemoth known as TimeWarner, I was able to a screening of “Matrix Revolutions” last night in New York City.
So that you know where I stand in terms of my opinions on the first two films in the trilogy, let me say that I really liked the original film which seemed fresh and original when it first arrived on the scene. “Matrix Reloaded,” while entertaining, seemed bloated and over-hyped and left me feeling sort of blasé about sitting through a third chapter.
If “The Matrix” was the brain of the series and “Matrix Reloaded” the fat that should have (in hindsight) been trimmed from the trilogy, then “Matrix Revolutions” is pure lean and mean muscle that serves up an astounding finale. It’s a sci-fi lover’s wet dream.
This movie delivers on the promise of the original film in a way “Matrix Reloaded” didn’t. The Wachowskis have thrown everything they have at the screen and, wouldn’t you know, it works. The film has enormous action sequences chock-full of “Holy Shit!” moments that make the freeway chase in the second film seem tiny and insignificant in comparison, yet even with these bigger set pieces the movie manages (rather surprisingly) to elevate the human drama in a way most FX-driven movies seem unable to do.
There’s a real sense that something important is at stake here and the battle between good and evil/man and machine reaches an epic scale that other genre filmmakers will be hard-pressed to top – some of the imagery the artists involved have conjured up is truly astounding. But it’s not just about state-of-the-art effects. Characters are forever changed. Lives are lost, including that of a major player. Humanity is on the verge of extinction. The film wears its bloody heart on its sleeve, making this the most human “Matrix” of them all.
The film jumps right into its story without a recap of the previous chapter. We’re right where we were when we left off at the end of “Reloaded” and the Wachowski brothers assume you’re up to speed on the story details. Right away things are noticeably better than “Reloaded.” The pacing is better than in the last film. The performances are less stiff than before and the story more engaging. The transition to a new actress in the role of the Oracle is seamless and she’s terrific. Jada Pinkett Smith gets a chance to shine with a bigger, more important role than last time. The music roars in easily the best score of the three films. The battle in Zion is incredible and complex and full of human struggle. An epic fight in the skies during the finale plays like the ultimate “Superman” movie, backed by full orchestra and choir.
Is it big? Is it over-the-top? Fuck, yeah! What else do you expect? It earns its place among other visionary sci-fi films of recent decades and you can expect big boxoffice and huge DVD sales to follow.
Yeah, some of the dialogue is grandiose and borderline cheesy. But the pretentious atmosphere that nearly sunk “Reloaded” for me is gone and the tone is more in sync with that of the original.
A side note: film snobs will predictably turn up their noses and complain that they haven’t been served a plate of delicate character moments we all enjoy in other smaller, character-driven films (I say this knowing a few in attendance felt the action overwhelmed the characters). I would disagree and also say they’re missing the point. This is a postmodern take on the classic struggle between good and evil told with kick-ass comic book artistry and a style uniquely its own. It exists in and of itself and, if you accept the rules and conventions the filmmakers have laid out within the universe they’ve created, you will be rewarded. It doesn’t hurt if you go into it expecting to see a big-budget commercial action film.
How does it end? Obviously I won’t tell, except to say that it’s satisfying, not entirely as expected, and a few cynics in the crowd might find reason to smirk. But overall this is a far better film than the chapter that preceded it and it delivers a rousing finale to a pretty amazing trilogy. Can't wait to see it again.
Thanks,
CarpalTunnelDudeOk, so... are these 'agents' of the Matrix infecting our Zion free world with their rhetoric about the coolest and the best... or is MATRIX REVOLUTIONS really an asskicking monstrosity of cosmic levels? Well, personally... I'm hoping it is an asskicking monstrosity of cosmic levels. I'd really get a kick out that. BTW - is this year, the year of Blind Heroes? DAREDEVIL, ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO and MATRIX REVOLUTIONS... and of course with what Peter did... RETURN OF THE KING.... I've said too much. Anyway, that's all for now...
But Wait... There's More.... Beware... this time there are spoilers... lots of them...
It has been determined that the following review is complete and total BULLSHIT!
Howdy Harry and company, I managed to squeeze into a
sneak peek of The Matrix Revolutions here in Chicago.
We weren't told going in what the movie was, only that
it was a studio film for release before the years end.
I loved the Matrix and hated Reloaded. I figured that
since Reloaded and Revolutions were shot together the
final chapter would be more like its brother than its
father. The Watchowski's have knocked one out of the
park, and not even Reloaded sitting in the stands
knocking the ball away can keep this trilogy from
being remembered as the masterpiece Revolutions has
insured it will be.
A quick synopsis to get the ball rolling:
Agent Smith is steadily spreading through the Matrix,
absorbing humans and ruining the machine's power
supply in the process. Neo is making back door deals
with the machines, while Trinity and Morpheus are
contacting the Oracle, and the rest of Zion is
preparing for the inevitable onslaught of sentinels
only 12 hours away. Before Neo faces Smith he has to
find his way through the buffer world, where the code
is translated and controlled into the Matrix, which
only one man has access to: The Keymaker. The Keymaker
of course bit it in Reloaded so the Oracle sends
Trinity, Seraph, and Morpheus to crash the
Merovingian's party where they intend to use
Persephone to persuade the Merovingian to set Neo
free. Recall the kiss Neo gave Persephone in Reloaded,
it comes into play here.
All of the above is setup within the first 20 minutes
of the movie, what happens in each instance and what
results I will not ruin here. All I feel the need to
say regarding plot is that what you thought you knew
about the matrix, even given what the Architect and
Oracle revealed: its wrong. Simply, totally, wrong,
and you'll be smiling every time the brothers
Wachowski pull open another curtain. The answer to
"What is the Matrix?" is finally revealed here. A
Matrix inside of a Matrix? Luckily for us the
Wachowski's are better than that.
I found it interesting that the action was hyped so
much for Reloaded, but little was revealed or
publicized about Revolutions' sequences. Revolutions
is the movie Reloaded should have been. The passion is
back, the intensity of the action sequences, even
exceeds the first Matrix. The Burly Brawl is useless
compared to the final Neo vs Smith fight. They fight
on the ground, in the trenches, in the skies, I can
still feel the impacts: little impresses me in movies
these days, expect this sequence to be ripped off and
cannibalized for the next decade.
I was looking forward to the destruction of Zion,
those raving Zionites had it coming and I was rooting
for those slippery Sentinels going in. That changed
fairly quickly, I felt for Zion, they actually feel
like real people this time around (especially ironic
given what is revealed 3/4ths the way through) and my
heart was racing as the sentinels ripped Zion apart
bit by bit. Incredible sequence (intercut through most
of the last half) that builds and builds, completely
relentless.
The movie doesn't give you a chance to breath, I
couldn't be happier that the Wachowski's brought this
train back online, they couldn't have ended this
trilogy any better. After Reloaded I figured the
Matrix would live on, while the trilogy would be
forgotten, Revolutions secured this trilogy's place in
film history.That's it for now...
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And if these are genuine, then roll on Nov 5th.
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Yep, it's a Matrix post all right.
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Hope the action sequences outdo the ones in Equilibrium. I had to watch Equilibrium again after seeing Reloaded because the action sequences in Reloaded were expected and unimpressive.
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and going spoiler-free for the third one as of this moment on.
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Yeah, I gotta stop posting in a semi-awake state.
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hmmmmm...
de ja vu?
heard shit like this before with reloaded. everyone getting excited and jumping around thinking "wow what amazing effects" and "wow can't wait to see the freeway chase" and what happened,, people thought it was shit.. and now here we are again.. well im not getting that excited again... yes I'll watch it but we all know we're gonna be disapointed. No matter what anybody writes on the site.. -
Oct 21, 2003 4:09:53 AM CDT
I bet you guys are the same people who absolutely loved that Kun
by aceattorney
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Oct 21, 2003 4:10:49 AM CDT
Who bets that this movie will end without answering all the ques
by aceattorney
And who bets the W. Bros copped out with this movie?
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is this soley for the plot, or did the original actress kick half way through filming or something?
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Oct 21, 2003 4:31:40 AM CDT
I know someone vaguely close to the production and they said...
by cash bailey
They said that the guys who have seen it say it's a quantum leap of an improvement from RELOADED. They also said that the code name for the film is 'THE LAST BOY SCOUT 2'. That makes me smile.
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Freddy vs Jason vs Ash vs Helen Keller! You know it makes sense! More sense than that frickin' architect's speech, anyhoo...
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well excuse us for having an opinion?
if we think reloaded is shit then we do and thats thats.. some guy telling us off because he likes it certainly isnt gonna change my opinion....
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well excuse us for having an opinion?
if we think reloaded is shit then we do and thats thats.. some guy telling us off because he likes it certainly isnt gonna change my opinion....
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I'm encouraged that both reviewers were a little disappointed with Reloaded and loved Revolutions. I enjoyed Reloaded, thought it was a bit bloated in parts but seriously enjoyed the freeway chase, if the action in Rev is way better than that i'll be falling out of my seat. So much cool stuff out this year, how's a geek sposed to save for a holiday? I've gotten about 100 movies on dvd this year and seen about 70 movies in the cinema, and we've still got the T2T extended ed, X2, POTCarib and the Alien Quad on dvd plus RotK, Matrix Rev, Last Samurai and Cold Mountain in the the cinema, jesus! Hey at least i'm happy -- and pennyless -- but damn doesn't Indy look good on dvd, like they were filmed yesterday... RANT ENDS.
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Gloria Foster, the original Oracle, died before filming was complete. So that's why there's a new one. Sucks...
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the new oracle isn't new to people who played "Enter the Matrix"
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I thought it was good not great, but good. I can admit that with the overload of other talentless phucks using matrix inspired themems in so many films that it didi lessen the impact for me, but I thought it was good. Their were a few points that left it from being a great movie, butwhy go into them. Realoaded did what it was suopposed to do, and I the flying looked great.
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TheEnigma, it's fanboys like you that make me sick. If your idea is reading a sentence you don't like and then start yappin' like a child, that's sad. I for one will admit that Reloaded had better special effects (hands down of course, since they spent way too much money on Reloaded). And not once did I mention Equilibrium's special effects. I said the ACTION SEQUENCES in Equilibrium were better than Reloaded. It's a matter of preference in this case that has no clear cut answer, but Reloaded's action sequences were expected and bloated. Neo was playing God mode throughout the movie and the action sequences were just wires and CGI, so the action was pretty much silly. At least in Equilibrium, the action sequences were unexpected and truly fun to watch (not bad for having a MUCH lower budget, being shot just once, and not using wires). Is it that time of month for you, TheEnigma?
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Plants. There's no details in those reviews, (beyond "A major player dies!" - where have I heard that before?) which is fine as I know WB is getting hot and heavy against anyone leaking details of the recent screenings, but they only shore up against the "perceived" flaws in Reloaded in order to calm naysayers. It's just a litany of "Ooh, it will be different this time, it will be much more spangly and humanly engaging and more action and more everything..." as opposed to a discussion of what Revolutions is actually *like*. You don't have to apologize to me, guys - I loved "Reloaded". I mean, I'd be happy to be wrong and that these reviews are real, but still. Hmm. I'm not convinced. Sorry.
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i loved Reloaded
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Did Reloaded just lack any real fun factor? If you put say the 100 Agent Smiths sequence vs. the 100 Lucy Lu underlings sequence in Kill Bill you'll see what I mean. Kill Bill's sequence may not have had the CG wizardry behind it, but there was a lot more fun stuff going on than "Neo hits Agent Smith with a bat REALLY far". And the fight actually has some sort of ending rather than Neo just running away like a pussy (who theoretically should be able to just delete all the Agent Smiths with his powers from the first film).
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Someone's already mentioned Attack of the Clones. All we need is a brave soul to throw Lord of the Rings into the fray. Nothing to keep the week interesting like a TB devoted to the puerile flame wars of the Great Axis of Geeks (GAG). Come on, don't let us down!
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I hope to God it is better than Reloaded which was boring and made no sense. Who was that French guy? Fans of the film say those who didn't like it are too dumb to understand it. Well, I went to Oxford University which puts me in the top 2% intellectually on this planet, and after repeated viewings I still don't understand what the architect was on about.
Not that the first one made much sense either. Human beings as the best method of power generation? I doubt it. And why spend all that effort keeping them entertained by the Matrix when you could just leave them in a coma? And if humans fight the machines by dialling into the Matrix, why do they have to travel around in ships? Why not just stay in Zion and hack in from there?
The Matrix was entertaining enough to make you forget these yawning plot holes while you watched it. Let's hope the last film is too. These reviews leave me slightly reassured. -
Oct 21, 2003 5:29:49 AM CDT
plants for sure - matrix always been watered down sci-fi
by failed musician
i'm sure revolutions will be better than reloaded, yet, nothing can keep this entire series from being the watered down sci-fi comercial bombast BS it is. those reviews are almost surely plants, whatever.
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Im actually looking forward to this. I love the persuit of the 'Superpowered' aspect... and it can't be any worse then Reloaded :)
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You should have gone to a proper university then, like Cambridge.
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Oct 21, 2003 5:46:55 AM CDT
There's a new Oracle? Why? Didn't they make both these films at
by theginger twit
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Shit, that's more important than fucking Neo Anderson. Third "Matrix" rules hard, you'll see. But ROTK is even cooler. You guys read about the strong flute parts in the third score? Shore goes the "Willow" way - good call. But which character goes blind? Frodo after the sting, Aragorn after watching into the palantir, Gandalf after exhausting himself against the Nazgul or (Spoiler ahead) Grond trolls?
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To finish off all this yappin about how much Reloaded was good and how much it sucked, I would like to spoil it for everyone. Remember when Neo stops the Sentinals in the so-called real world(another matrix). Yeah, you guys all know where I'm getting at. figure it out form there shmucks, it happens weather you like it or not.
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Nothing 'snobby' about it... the last two films were shit.
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Films are getting technically better and better, right? So you'd think that directors would keep using all this new stuff to great effect? But it doesn't happen. It's NEVER happened. I thought "Kill Bill" was great but with one qualification - that the final fight scenes went on WAY too long and were played out to some really awful music. This spoilt it a bit, but not much. But "The Matrix Reloaded"? You get a LO-O-O-O-ONG pointless car chase, a LO-O-O-O-ONGER pointless fight, both of them looking like computer games and neither adding an iota of sense to plot or characters. And take "Bad Boys 2" - the worst film I've had to sit through in at least three years - it's just one HUGE car chase consisting of three shots repeated over and over again: Somebody's constipated face, followed by a wide shot of cars careering around corners (it's impossible to tell whose cars, and I couldn't have cared less anyway), followed by somebody shooting a gun at somebody else (again, both are unrecognisable). WHO GIVES A SH-T? Both of these films were noisy, overlong and pointless. Although I will give Reloaded extra kudos for not having its "characters" invade Cuba at the end. "Kill Bill" was great because it WASN'T high-tech, or at least didn't look it. Sure, there was smooth wire-work, but at no time did I think to myself: "This is blatant CGI". Also it made its characters seem human in the way that "Enter the Dragon" did (Hon combined monkish dignity with just the right suggestion of depravity and corruption, Lee was purity personified, Jim Kelly had a touch of arrogant flair that worked brilliantly, and John Saxon did a superb portrayal of pretended indifference covering a very real core of integrity). For me "Kill Bill" managed the same thing here, and Uma was superb. I only hope that "Revolutions" can pick up from the damp squib that "Reloaded" was.
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Outrageous! If that turns out to be a spoiler I will not be impressed. If we wanted spoilers I am sure we would ask for them, and ask them to be signposted so we could avoid them at will. Anyway, I kinda liked Reloaded but didn't love it, and I still haven't got my head around it, but Revolutions sounds like a whole other thing. Looking forward to this one.
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every fight in reloaded DID have a point. To show off more glamorous (and as shown in The Matrix, utterly pointless) Wire-Fu. Neo no longer needed to fight. Having him engaged in more kung fu fights was a backward step in my view. The ONLY interesting plot point in my view in reloaded was Neo using his powers "outside" the matrix and then falling into a coma, the rest was simply filler. Cheers. And Enigma, get as angry as you like, you're not going to change my (and apparently an awful lot of others) opinion's. Cheers.
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Reloaded was sci-fi pseudo-philosophical masturbation. Too much "talking heads". Hope that Revolutions kicks ass.
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You couldn't have had Revolutions without Reloaded. People say it's boring but I find the dialogues fascinating. Maybe you didn't want to use your brains? Maybe it's not a movie for people with very short attention spans.
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I have read the LotR books and I must say I don't remember anyone going blind. Is this one of those annoying incidences of filmmakers changing the story for the big screen? Man this sucks! One of the best things about Fellowship was that, other than cutting out parts, Peter Jackson didn't atleast change much in the parts that were there. TTT did change some things, and consequently in my opinion wasn't quite as good as the first one, but I really really hope RotK is good...here's a poll.. considering that Two Towers made about $918 million (almost $70m more than Fellowship), what are the chances that RotK will cross the billion dollar mark?
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The Mouth of Sauron is to be completely blind. Jackson has taken the name literally and has Sauron speaking through this character (thus Mouth of Sauron). He will be wearing a helmet from the nose up, with only his rotting mouth visible. This is not speculation, but fact.
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Frodo says in one scene in the book that the Ring has become all he can see, not only in his dreams, but even when he is awake. In the context of the book's dialogue this is not meant to be taken literally; it's more of an "all I can think about is dinner" statement [naturally you are thinking about other things than dinner, like walking and talking]. Jackson may have decided that he could not visually depict how difficult it is for Frodo to get across Mordor without taking the license of making Frodo's statement literally true. Frodo will walk through Mordor perceptually blind, seeing only the Ring and the lidless Eye. It seems unnecessary to me, but I doubt Harry would be dropping a spoiler like that for the Mouth of Sauron, who is not a major character and isn't a "hero" in any event.
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Oct 21, 2003 8:29:46 AM CDT
ENIGMA , no sleeping together because the ship is a miltary vess
by windowlicker74
if we dont like craploaded, we say so. i m so sorry.... and by the way kill bill is the one film that doesnt use wire-fu. you live on mars?
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Oct 21, 2003 8:43:01 AM CDT
20 yrs from the Wachowskis will go back and rape your childhood
by pevenscrwn
i can see it now. technology improves leaps and bounds and the W brothers do a Lucas and put all these Matrix-ites into therapy. talk about delusions upon delusions. someone who thinks Reloaded was cerebral calling OTHERS geeks?? rich stuff. the Wachowskis have created their own breed of hyperfanatics, and i guess that in itself is an achievment in cinema. personally, i think their work pre-Matrix was better, when story and character outranked special effects and gimmicks on their priority list, but that is just my own personal taste. i am obviously in the minority, at least according to the box office.
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All these movies suck- no, I meant they rock-no, I meant it depends on who directed them-ack, crap, no I meant that it depends on what other films they rip off- oopsie daisy, that should have come out who does wire-fu better-darn it, keep messing it up- the best movies are based on books- no you bastard, the best books are based on screenplays- and Neo's wet dreams- naw naw naw, if they don't have a Balrog and a 3-headed dog in it, it's shite- no, they don't sleep with each other because the Nebuchanezar is based on an old Klingon story-oops, what I meant was WHO CARES...
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What he outlined sounds like a cool and appropriate idea. Peter Jackson's alterations of the characters thus far (Aragorn turned into a pussy who fears his destiny, Faramir turned into a dopey, thuggish daddy's-boy) have gone over like a fart in church... striking a major character blind would likely get him lynched. Interesting that the Paul Atreides-style "protagonist goes blind" motif is big this year in spite of the weakness of the Sci-Fi Channel's half-assed attempts at the "Dune" books. Oh, and by the way, SimonP, you might want to ease up on the boasting. Attending Oxford doesn't put you in the top 2% of anything; it just means you went to Oxford. I live in the Boston area, and trust me... Harvard University is basically a diploma mill for rich kids, a party school for well-connected morons. I suspect the same is true for most, if not all, high-profile "educational" institutions (the upper class isn't exactly renowned for its intellect; they're just trained to "fake it" better than the commoners). And to keep this post on-topic... "The Matrix Revolutions" looks cool. I'll go to see it.
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SimonP wrote: Human beings as the best method of power generation? I doubt it. And why spend all that effort keeping them entertained by the Matrix when you could just leave them in a coma? ------ Bingo. That's part of what I suspect that the "What we all thought we knew about the Matrix will turn out to be wrong" to be. With all the talk of the symbiotic relationship of machine and man, and how one serves the other, I suspect that we'll discover that we're not their power, we're their CPU - the human minds form a giant parallel processor. The "use humans for power" is total BS from a theromdynamic standpoint. ------ Nonetheless, I feel compelled to defend Reloaded. It was anything but fat, IMO it will turn out to be an essential core of the trilogy, its basic philosophical grounding. Too many Sci-Fi fans read little other than Sci-Fi, and I suspect that's why so few "got" Reloaded. If more of you folks would delve into the world myth and literature the authors of Sci-Fi books and movies are so intimately familiar with, you'd see the rather close parallels between this series and some of the more obscure Buddhist doctrines. But that would be too "boring", I suppose.
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Isn't it silly that when Netscape remembers your logon here, it remembers the subject line too? Strange...
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Ie, more brain dead commercial crap appealing to the those of small frontal lobes.
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... since both were filmed pretty much as one. What, they put all the crap in Reloaded and kept everything great for Revolutions? Bullsh*t. I think this is the PR machine doing its thing. Matrix within the Matrix indeed...
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I just read those three so-called reviews. There isn't a bit of information that some one could not have known by doing some good research on the net. Please lets get one good spoiler-riffic review which actually explores the problems with Reloaded and the way Revolutions can be saved. Who cares about the actions if the films are as meaningless as Reloaded? Get to point and publish a good review. Not Joel Silver's assistants musings.
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Every damn time I see some say something like "I couldn't breath", I want to scream. It sounds so stupid!
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Oct 21, 2003 9:18:35 AM CDT
I can't believe anyone still cares about this series after the h
by atticus finch
I mean, does anyone really expect this one not to suck just as bad? They were filmed at the same time! How could the acting have gotten so much better? Please.
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So there's something to do with BLIND PEOPLE in ROTK, huh Harry? Real subtle. PLEASE, try to give some warning next time?
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Oct 21, 2003 9:22:36 AM CDT
Everyone fuckingstop arguing "what!" cool blind dude in Lord of
by braine
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There was a couple of blindings in the books, if I recall - Sam blinds Shelob, and Frodo goes temporarily blind after falling off a cliff on to a ledge in the Emyn Muil (though the whole incident hardly warrants describing a major character as going blind). Hmm. Something to ponder. Anyway, yeah, on-topic, can't wait for Revolutions.
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Oct 21, 2003 9:26:56 AM CDT
I'm not a fan of the Matrix, so it doesn't matter to me...
by darth sarcasm
...but these are clearly plants. Basically any message that talks about how great a movie is without actually telling much about the movie is a plant. Add in the "it's so much better than Reloaded" stuff, and it's an absolute lock.
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I fell asleep 3 times trying to watch The Matrix. If this is what some of you tools think is perfect sci-fi you can have it. I just hope that for all you fan boys who have based your existence on these films that this one delivers.
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Sorry, the story seems to only be on msn.co.uk.
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Windowlicker74 said: and by the way kill bill is the one film that doesnt use wire-fu... ok then, how the fuck else do you explain uma on the stairs. and uma climbing up the wall. AND uma fighting on the stairwell banister. Yuen Wo-ping, recognize him(?), did the fight work for both kill bill and the matrix. there was indeed wire work in the bill, just not as much as in the matrix...
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the original actress died of an illness during filming. they brought in another and explain it as the Merovingian hacks her code to change her appearance so that no one trusts her.
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Oct 21, 2003 9:40:52 AM CDT
Trying not to read spoiler review but it is sooo hard...
by lost skeleton
It is almost here...
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Oct 21, 2003 9:43:43 AM CDT
Fortunately, no one can be told how good/bad the Matrix Trilogy
by zer0cool2k2
...You have to experience it for yourself. About six months before the original Matrix was released, I did one of those poll things online where they show you a few trailers for upcoming movies and you give them your opinion. None of the trailers I watched had titles, and the only one i could remember was this one with a guy in a trenchcoat jumping from building to building, a girl slamming into the side of a glass building, and a guy in black bending over backwards to avoid getting shot. Anyway, a few months later, I recognized The Matrix as the trailer I remembered, so I went to see it. At the time, I thought it was pretty good. After several repeated DVD viewings, it became one of my favorite films of all time. My best friend said it was the greatest movie ever, my wife hated it, and I enjoyed watching it on DVD with him much more than seeing it in the theater with her (well, I enjoyed the movie more that is, I still enjoyed her more than him). Point being, although I was influenced by both their reactions, I ultimately formed my own opinion on the film. ........ Now, we move forward to just before Reloaded is released. Spoilers abound, advertising is rampant, and the stars on on every magazine cover possible. Where the first film kind of snuck up on me, there is no way to avoid the Reloaded onslaught. This time, I go see the film alone, at a 10:00 pm showing the tuesday before the official release. The theater is packed, and a fight even breaks out over seats. I sit in a darkened auditorium full of strangers who cheer at every action sequence, yet I somehow don't share their enthusiasm. When the film is over, most simply get up and quietly leave. About a third of us stick around through the endless credits to catch the Revolutions teaser. While I can't say I disliked Reloaded, I can't seem to shake my slight disappointment. It just seemed to lack the humanity of the first movie. Scenes like in Neo's apartment, or at his job, where he just can't make himself walk out on that ledge. Or the great helicopter rescue sequence. All these take place in my world (the Matrix according to the film). And the film's real world, it's a desolate dirty place full of human suffering. A place that makes you want to fight to regain what you've lost. In Reloaded, I never got the feeling I was in my world. The Matrix seemed like some fantastical alternate universe I wasn't quite familiar with. And Zion, while not ideal, didn't seem so bad. Those people weren't exactly leaving Neo baskets of protien slop as gifts. I also have a problem with all the recent batch of movies that are created to be franchises. None of them seem to have a resolution. A film should tell a complete story. Setup, conflict, resolution. Make good single films, and people will beg for sequels. The prequel trilogy, Kill Bill, and to a lesser degree, the LOTR trilogy all suffer from this. Not to mention that you can never please everyone with a sequel. Everyone loved the fight sequences in The Matrix, so do you abandon them for Reloaded, given Neo's new abilities? Who do you please, the action freaks or the scifi geeks? ... All that being said, the Reloaded DVD hasn't been out of the player since the release date, and watching it now, without all the hype and ridiculous expectations, I really enjoy it. I've accepted it's (perceived by me) flaws, and learned to revel in it's triumphs. It still makes me long to pop the original in and watch it, but it also makes me look forward to Revolutions. (and isn't that kind of what it's supposed to do?). ... Now, all of you feel free to call me an idiot
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Jeez, those first two reviews read exactly the way a studio executive would want them to with all the canned fanboy buzz words and comparisons to the first two (I can just hear them thinking "yeah, bash the last one, no would suspect the studio would do THAT, hahahaha!"). Granted, some people DO sound and write like that. I read a review of Reloaded in Entertainment Weekly that was a collage of every criticism voiced throughout the summer with no effort to say anything new. Sometimes people just phone in these reactions. Frankly, I think Reloaded is easier to enjoy now than it was before. For one thing, I enjoyed the freeway chase more. I still think we needed a primary agent villain with more presence than Agent Johnson. A female agent would have been nice, or maybe on of those weird Animatrix versions with the funny collars. Without Smith among them, the regular Agents just don't cut it. Also the rave/orgy still went on a tad too long, and I still didn't much like the Morpheus/Niobe/Lock triangle as it was played. It felt like a Junior High kid's take on romance to me, and neither of the new characters had a presence to stand next to Morpheus. Even with another movie coming, those problems shouldn't have been there. But that said, the more sophisticated/pretentious elements at the beginning about beliefs and control were easier to assimilate knowing where the movie was leading. And apart from the costumes, I still like the Aliens-esque technology of Zion. CGI may be overused these days, but I liked it. Oooookay, enough praise for a movie that, no matter how you cut it, disappointed many who wanted to love it (and rewarded many who wanted to hate it). One thing I've learned over the past several years is that it is much harder being a fan of something ongoing than of something that is over and done with. People have expectations, and let's face it, not all of them will be met.
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Just for the record, Oxford is not just for the upper class - that's reactionary hype. Currently students there pay the same as any other university in the UK, in contrast to the Ivy League, and the amounts involved are miniscule in comparison to US universities. Admissions do depend on academic merit, and there was very nearly a student mutiny when it was suggested that Prince William might get in without the grades.
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Oct 21, 2003 10:03:31 AM CDT
"The big chase scene at the end was good, but it looked like com
by minderbinder
Same with the burly brawl, people assume it's all CGI but it's mostly real except for the obvious "bullet time" and a couple other gimmick shots. Yep, on the DVD they show the footage of the cars flipping over and Keanu duking it out with a dozen stuntmen. It totally looks like the brothers made the middle movie mostly eye candy and a couple plot hints and saved the real story for the third movie. I was worried a bit after seeing Reloaded, but the third one looks pretty damn promising. (oh, and Kill Bill was fun but nothing special - it's a joke to even compare it to either of the Matrix movies)
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allright, they DID use wires in kill bill, but only in a couple of scenes. Overall, QT shot this flick seventies-style. And by the way, Yuen Wo-ping has been in this business for over 20 years, so wire-fu is not his only trademark.
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http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.11/matrix.html?pg=1&topic=&topic_set=
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Oct 21, 2003 10:24:42 AM CDT
I was wondering if someone was going to take this guy to task fo
by yossarian
Top 2% my ass. The woodman got it right. You may have the top 2% of wealthiest parents, but that's about it. Attending Oxford doesn't automatically make you the illuminati, bub. Take your high-minded aspirations, your delusions of grandeur and shovel them elsewhere, we're full up here. Attending college does not bestow intelligence; I know far too many idiots with degrees and far too many brilliant people with high school diplomas or less. What rubbish, you sop!
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Okay, Attack of the Clones was a masterpiece on a design level, soem of the action was pretty good (mainly that chase through the city near the beginning) and the love story was fucking tosh. Could have been okay (Natalie Portman IS the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet) but wasn't. Equilibrium was always gonna be in the shadow of the Matrix, the previews showed that. And it was basically someone had read 1984, seen the Matrix and got $30 million (?) to knock a cheapo out. It wasn't great, but damn if it wasn't at least fun. That dog stuff was quite funny, and a couple of the fight scenes at least made you (or me, anyway) go, "Oooh, that was quite nasty...". Now,
Reloaded.
The first half an hour was utter wank. Zion sucked. The people in Zion sucked. The Rave sucked. The idea of Zion having a brigg? I know that its like, "Man is destined to repeat his mistakes", but the concept of having military ranks and military punishments for free minds was horrible. If i had to choose between that free world, and the Matrix, I choose the Matrix. Okay. That's that. They killed Mouse in the first film. good. Great. He was an annoying actor in an annoying part. (He dies in Thin Red Line tooo!) So why the fuck did they introduce another annoying actor in another annoying part in the form of the Kid? I know he was in the Animatrix, but shit, i dont care! Most of the audience hadn't seen the animatrix, and maybe never will, and you should not have to see one to enjoy the other. Pointless and annoying. Neo and Trinity. I love the fact that they were all over each other - it was kinda real and human. But i would have boinked the brains out of her as superNeo in the Matrix. But, fair enough, that's cyber-sex, this is the real thing. Not a very good shag though...
OKay. The "philosophy". This was just plain lazy. The actors speaking it looked bored, the audience looked bored, it seemed to serve the purpose of a) prolonging a sequel which didn't have enough material and b) showing how incredibly smart and learned the Wachowski's are. Didn't like it. I didn't hate it, but i didn't like it either. The Oracle I actually really enjoyed, the Burly Brawl was impressive and exciting, but like all the fights in the film, seemed kinda pointless. The fight with the "upgrades" was acceptable, get the film going, y'know. Without it, the first half would have been painfully dull. The fight with the Seraph was good, but horribly segued into the film. That dialogue when he says "But first i must apologise" and then when its done, "Stop!", was pre-university scriptwriting. Again, lazy. Smith I loved. He was there to geek out to, loving every line. That "Me, me, me... Me too!" was fun. Now, the Merovingian and Persephone. Merovingian was a Bond villain, and a pretty poor one at that. His delivery ranged from enjoyable ("It's like wiping your arse with silk") to just pantomime ("You sink you do, but you do not!"). Persphone, well, no doubting she is a fuck bunny... Even after seeing her get reamed the fuck out of in Irreversible, i wanted to jump her bones... but is it just me or did Bellucci look quite old in the closeups? Still, she made Trinity look like a hag. The problem i have, is that that whole section just didn't work. I mean, maybe those guys that she shoots are explanations for "werewolves" and there are "vampires" in Merovingian and Persephone, in reference to what the Oracle said, as well as those Ghost boys - I'll get to them, dont worry - hence the silver bullets and the "they're notoriously hard to kill" line. But it belonged in a shorter story, not this one. The Keymaker. Cute guy, bit forgettable. The Ghosty Twins. Blah. Could have been so cool, was just silly. The transparecy effects were quite well employed, but didn't have the wow factor. They weren't scary, if they were meant to be, they weren't particularly impressive. They bordered on being laughable for me. And then, whoosh, they're gone. Neat explosion, but what was the point. Just a distraction from the main story and someone else to factor into the chase to stop it getting boring. Will they be back in Revs? Dont bet on it. you never know, i suppose. Okay, the chase. Some wonderful shots. The camera going under the trucks was just sublimely cool, loved it, and it wasn't in your face. It was the kind of thing you could have not noticed, but when you did, you thought (or, I thought - sorry) Hmmm, nice. As the chase built, it was quite exciting, but already i knew i would come out of the film disappointed. What had come was just not up to scratch. And then, just when it was looking lovely, the trucks are colliding, there's some nice slomo going on, loving it loving it - cut: Link:- "YES!!". uhhh, scuse me, i was watching that! There's this neato explosion, absolute carnage, Neo saves the day, everything's sweet, and then they dont show me the REAL money shot - the result. Remember the lobby in the first one? Probably one of the key action scenes in terms of coolness. It ends beautifully. You've got all this shooting and debris and then, WHOOSH, Neo kicks that guy in the head, lands as if nothing happened, him and Trin leave, and we get that wide of the fucking mess they've made. Crack, a part of a pillar falls down. Cue giggle. Result: closure. Next Scene. Text book editing. But they blew it with the freeway. They cut to a fairly badly drawn comedy sidekick who has like one good line in the film, and now he's going "YESS!". Sorry, that left a sour taste... disappointed. I wanted my money shot, and they gave me some of it, but not that release, where you look back and go "Holy Fuck", turn to your mate and say "Nice". From there on, it just got worse. The pacing fell apart - you have to play the Enter the Matrix game to really get your head round that power station explosion, cos they dont give you enough time here. The chase with Trinity in the building was okay, but we knew what was coming. Then Neo fists her after she's dead(!), mirroring part one, and then the end. That terrible, terrible end, where everyone looks around going "What happened with the architect? Huh? And who was that upside down guy on the table?". Now, I'm writing this at the risk of being ridiculed, i know. But i love films. I watch a helluva lot of them. From b-movies to historical russian art films, i dig film. But me and my friends all looked at each other and just said "Please let that be the end!". If that final chun-chun-chun hadn't been the end, god knows what i would've thought. And all i knew about who was on that stretcher with Neo was, he was the only survivor from that ship that got blown up and that this was a bad thing... because the chun-chun-chun told me so.
But i still kinda liked a lot of it. The burly brawl and the oracle and the design and Smith were enough to make me say "Yeah, okay, not as good as the first one - the bar DOES still exist - but i'll see Revolutiuons and see where they're going with this". And i'll say this for it - it has a very definite cinematic experience atmosphere to it. What i mean by that is, whether out of disappointment or just confusion or because they did do something different, it has a very specific, unique feeling attached to it when i think about first seeing it. And i think Revolutions will be much better. In fact, Revolutions looks like the bollox (that's a good thing). If nothing else, there's gonna be some kind of resolution to the tale, the experience will be complete. There will be awesome eye-candy from what i've seen. And it might make Reloaded seem a bit better. I kind of like the idea that Reloaded may end up being the bastard child of a classic sci-fi duet of movies (the first and last films). It will be the one that underdogs always defend, like the people who think Jedi is the best Star Wars from the original trilogy, or Two Towers is better than Fellowship (had to get those references in there to stir it up a bit). I mean, looking at current releases, I love Raiders of the Lost Ark. It IS perfection in entertainment. But i also love Temple of Doom, because it is at least an interesting way to follow a classic film. (Crusade isn't so hot, but that tank chase is classic action editing) I've got high hopes for revolutions, and i want to believe these reviewers. I'll be there.
Of course, these are just my opinions. I dont want to convert anyone or berate their opinions. A couple of people i know absolutely love Reloaded, and we enjoy arguing the pros and cons back and forth. But we'll never convert each toher. It's just a case of seeing the film through someone else's eyes. For me, its fundamental problem is Joel Silver. He wanted to make a SHITLOAD of cash off these films, and didn't say no enough times. He gave the Bros their trainset, and they played with it. I feel, they could have been one film rather than two, but there is something about having a trilogy, isn't there... While the first one, while far from being subtle, was intelligent and integrated its philosophy and action into its story, this one gets intellectual and breaks the three up - some philosophy, some story, some action and repeat ad nauseum. Lets hope they redeem it with the finale. I suspect they will.
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In the final scene where Uma is on the plane. You can see the wire holding the plane up :) Jesus people, Reloaded was a good action movie. Kill Bill was good too. Stop complaining before Hollywood never makes big movies again. Just crap ones like XXX and 007.
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The first Matrix was the best action movie I have ever seen in my life. It was the perfect bit of mythology that I just ate up.
Reloaded, obviously, is the set up. Reloaded is the movie that really gets you into the mythology of the Matrix universe. Reloaded is there to put you in a new direction. To give you another rabbit hole so to speak.
Revolutions sounds like the payoff. It seems that the W brothers are really going to end this thing with a climatic bang- while giving you some cool twist along the way.
I can't wait. Come on...Ain't it Cool!
Revolutions...giving everyone a reason to love sci-fi on November 5th!
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The fact that I enjoyed BOTH the first and second installments makes me one of the rarest FREAKS in the universe it seems. The third looks to be a mixture of the two, amped up beyond description.
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ZATOICHI!!!!! That being said, say what you will about the actual dramatic content of Reloaded - messy Zion scenes, the cold and labored plot, the general lack of warmth for all the players - but what can definately not be denied by even the most hateful critics of that film is that it is God-damned *ambitious*. The sheer scope of the action sequences is fantastic. The fight between Neo and the Smith clones was a wash-out, but the climax on the staircase followed by the highway chase was probably the best sustained series of action beats ever produced on the screen. Deny it at your own peril. It may have been less than perfect, like Two Towers, but I'm still awaiting both finales to these series with baited breath. Why any other genre fan wouldn't be escapes me.
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Ponderous and wooden when serious, cheesy and distracting when emotional. That rave scene pulled me right out of the movie and I really hope Morpheus fucking dies. Can't stand that sonofabitch. My biggest problem is that there is nothing about Neo, character-wise, that would lead one to believe that he is special or messianic in any way. While this can be exlained within the context of the story (he is simply a system-created anomoly - random, but predictable) it still strikes me as a poor choice - Neo has none of the classic hero characteristics and I think it weakens the emotional value of the story. Besides - the humans are so machine like - while the machines - Merovingian, Persephone, Smith have all the personality. That this is obviously by design I suppose saves it somewhat. The other thing that troubles me a little is that Reloaded started to stray widely from what I thought was attractive about the first movie - that if there was a Matrix, then the 'war' that we see would take place in the shadows - with the majority of people completely oblivious to it, only hearing snippits of unexplainable phnomena. The ideas of feeling alienated, without purpose and meaning were relatable. But by Reloaded you've got a guy flying so fast he's literally killing everything (and everyone) in his wake - broad daylight kung fu battles between 400 clones and Jesus Christ - and guys in suits using cars as mini-tramps in the middle of the Freeway. Not exactly keeping a low-profile - which seemed so important before. How has the Matrix not dissolved into complete chaos? How is the rest of humanity still accepting the program? I think people would be noticing these things within the Matrix and there would be some repercussions. But I still like the story and the films look amazing - not to be discredited as having no value. Despite my criticisms I genuinely like these movies and am looking forward to the third. Also the Animatrix stuff was quite good.
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Sure, going to college doesn't bestow intelligence but for most people it demonstrates either natural intelligence or application or both. Widen the mind bub. Of course there are smart uneducated people, and people who have done well academically who are not that bright outside of that context. HOWEVER, as a person from a normal background without wealth who went to Oxford I REALLY resent it when people assume that only the thick wealthy go there. That is an ancient stereotype and does more harm than good by putting normal people off applying. Get the damn chip off your shoulder - trashing Oxbridge and the Ivy league is even less an indication of smarts than going there. The 2% figure, if accurate at all, presumably refers to exam results not IQ much less intelligence. But for the record, I have never been anywhere where background mattered less and intelligence mattered more than Oxford.
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Obviously.
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So suck my creamsicle til you get to the white creamy center butt fucks!!
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You've hit on it exactly ! That shadow-war comment is exactly what seperated the two films for me. Where the Hell were all the average Joes in Reloaded? I felt much more connected to the first film. There was always that tiny "what if I'M in the matrix" floating around your head after the first one. Now, the Matrix seems about as far away as Tatooine.
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Despite the fact that you went to the Other Place, and are therefore obviously evil, it gets my goat too when these places are dismissed as homes for rich slackers. I am certainly not upper or even middle class and I had to work like a fucker to get into university, and support myself whilst I was there too. That said, I *did* understand the Architect's speech in Reloaded, which is more than SimonP managed, and through analysing this data I can thus conclusively prove that Cambridge rocks and Oxford sucks, and given time and a large enough research grant I could further prove that everyone at Oxford is engaged in active devil-worship, child sacrifice, and cruelty to small animals.
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This talk back is cracking me up so hard. Man, seriously, I'm all out of breathe.
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Every techno-classic hybrid score that rocked each fight scene so hard in the first film, was almost utterly lacking in the second one. There was nothing to help jump the pace from 'drama' to 'action' within seconds. Instead of getting psyched with 'Neo vs. multi-Smith', you get distracted studying the choreography for lack of any subconscious rhythm supporting the action. Yeah, it sounds stupid-goofy to claim the 'music' was the poorest element, because as we all know the soundtrack is the least of the film components. Right? Hah, I say. I say that's what defined some of the great matches in Matrix 1. If you watch Reloaded a second time, it's a little more forgiveable. The quality of the story, characters, and peril was good enough for "edge of the seat". But they needed FAR more bass and tricks to pump up the fight scenes, because that's what grabbed many viewers in the first film.
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I thought Reloaded and Revolutions were supposed to be considered 2 parts of a single, long film--yet why is everyone judging Reloaded as a standalone movie with its own singular storyline?
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Please don't compare Reloaded and Back to the Future II. BTTF II was a lot more innovative and original.
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Not sure how this TB morphed into a defense of Oxford, but as an American at Oxford I can concur that wealth hardly matters and intelligence is of paramount importance. I was a bit hesitant in coming to Oxford because of those stereotypes, especially as a middle class American from a state university. But those old stereotypes are simply not the case, at least in recent years. There are a few bastions of wealth and "old boy" snobbery in places like Christ Church, but they are the exception rather than the rule. By contrast, I've met more self important assholes who didn't know much about anything coming out of American Ivies than out of Oxbridge.
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Because I paid my $8.00 for a ticket to see Reloaded. Then I spent my $15.00 for the Reloaded DVD. I won't get in to see Revolutions or get a free Revolutions DVD based on the fact that I've already paid for the story. And, I can't just hit play and finish the story yet. Not to mention the Matrix Trilogy won't be considered for Academy awards as one film. Look at the first Star Wars. It set up the story, put our heroes in the direst of circumstances, and ended in triumph for the good guys. Sure, it left you daydreaming about the further adventures of Luke, Leia and Han, but it had a beginning, a middle, and an end. Sure, Empire didn't wrap up quite as nicely, with Han in jeopardy, but it still finished it's story. The Matrix worked the same way as Star Wars. It resolved the story, but let your imagination run with it. Reloaded just slams on the brakes. Now, I'm a little more forgiving with the LOTR films, since it's such a well known story, and you have to end each film somewhere. Still, Jackson tried to make the cuts less jarring as possible. I know the first film was all just setup for the superhero tale the Wachowski's wanted to tell, but if they have the right to split up their story how they see fit, then I've bought the right to critique how they do it. Spiderman wrapped up it's story in a single film, but people are still anticipating the sequel. ............ Now, when I get home today. I'm gonna rewatch Reloaded with some thumping tunes on the stereo during the fight scenes. Any suggestions?
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http://www.geocities.com/the_matrix_explained/index.html
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As a sequel it begs comparison to the first in all elements, and I feel that all the important elements were equitable to the first, save one. The soundtrack was too much thematic 'ballet' action and not enough 'death-bass' for the hardcore combat. I'm not a supporter of having gratuitious techno-flack spewed indifferently across any face-off, just to appeal to gen-'whatever' interests. In most films, it's an obvious 'instant-gratification' face-plant that goes belly-up after the first viewing. Everyone else is chewing up the story and actors, of which I had no real issues with. However, the fact remains that the music that juiced up the original Matrix was its own loud personality, yet in Reloaded it served as a supporting castmember. The artists and conductor were the same for both, I believe, so likely it was a different approach. But the chase scene was one of the biggest center-pieces for Reloaded, and as a result many of the other fight scenes demanded more pulse than melodrama, to alternate the tempo of the film. The strings and winds effectively built up tension each time, sure, but something quick and bossy would've helped punch a new asshole out of each fist-fight.
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I do NOT like Matrix, Sam I Am.
It belongs in the crapper, it should stay in the can.
It's just bad Kung Fu...that no human could do. And REALLY bad science all sprinkled with goo.
Seriously, my 19 y/o son shoved the DVD in my face last night, so I watched Reloaded for the very first time last night. (After the 1st film, there's no way I would spend MY money on trivial crap like this) Now, I have an excellent home theatre system, so I certainly was impressed with some of the technical aspects of the film. But the MINDLESS story and acting just made me gag. Personally, I would be embarrassed to admit I had anything to do with making, marketing, or simply paying money to see ANY of the Matrix films. And no, the 3rd film won't rescue the series for me no matter what they do...the whole premise is so STUPID, I can't see sitting through more of it. -
First of all to the elitist who claimed to be of the top 2% intellectually and didn't understand the Architect's speech I offer a nice little pat on the head and a cookie. Maybe you're smart, maybe you're not, frankly who cares? The point is, like a good number of the people who disliked Reloaded, you don't understand philosophy because you're not intimately familiar with it like the Wachowski's. Those who disliked the movie seem to harp on a few key problems, such as the overextended "orgy dance" at the beginning, the overused bullet-time transitions, the fight atop the truck on the freeway looking stagey, etc. I'll be the first to admit these distracted from the movie. Maybe this ruined the movie for you. In my case, they didn't hurt my movegoing experience enough to kill the movie because Reloaded offered a heaping helping of deep philosophical twists, such as the dilemma between predestination and free will, offering ample evidence that Neo is every bit as much a "program" as the machines, and then giving him a choice at the end which STILL may or may not have been a free choice. The architect served to give us a cosmology - this is a repeating universe, and "The One" (like a solitary representation of a Kuhnian revolution) serves the function to bring back order to the system when the previous system begins to fail. Personally, I agree with Robo that maybe Reloaded just flew over too many people's heads, not because it's only for the top 2%, but because it references some pretty obscure concepts. Glad to see at least one other person here who "got it". I'm looking forward to the last. It's looking epic and enjoyable, and Reloaded has given me confidence that they'll know how to deal with all the philosophical quandries.
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We know that we're in hell if the the "bros." mess up the final sequel. Reloaded was one of the worst films this year. Revolutions needs to be drastically better.
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Oct 21, 2003 1:38:38 PM CDT
zero, as an old fart, try Sonic Mayhem or Juno Reactor
by the killer-goat
especially the faster tracks. The Quake 2 and 3 loop samples they did years ago are surprisingly still fun as hell.
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I meant to imply *my* recommendation as as old fart, not that you were one. heh.
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It read like a press release: "The Wachowskis have thrown everything they have at the screen and, wouldn
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"The Keymaker. The Keymaker of course bit it in Reloaded so the Oracle sends Trinity, Seraph, and Morpheus to crash the Merovingian's party where they intend to use Persephone to persuade the Merovingian to set Neo free. All of the above is setup within the first 20 minutes of the movie,"..........this is the shit that i hated in the second movie...it doesn't make any fucking sense!!!!!!!!!
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"The Keymaker. The Keymaker of course bit it in Reloaded so the Oracle sends Trinity, Seraph, and Morpheus to crash the Merovingian's party where they intend to use Persephone to persuade the Merovingian to set Neo free. All of the above is setup within the first 20 minutes of the movie,"..........this is the shit that i hated in the second movie...it doesn't make any fucking sense!!!!!!!!!
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That cut in the highway chase scene where we see Link raise his hands and shout "yes!" is the single most irritating shot in the entire movie. Reading your post just reminded me of how badly edited that movie really is.
And the second most irritating shot is when Neo catches Trinity right before she hits the pavement, and the movie cuts to Link shouting "he caught her!"
Maybe it's just me, but when I watch a movie I don't need a narrator telling me what I just saw ("he caught her!" or better yet, why not "Neo stopped that bullet!" and "Neo walked into the room!"). I also don't need a character giving cues to the audience on what reaction to have. The movie should generate these feelings in the audience (or fail to do so, like in "Reloaded") on its own without the heavy-handed cues pounding into my head "you will feel this emotional even if we have to force it on to you."
It's funny how these little things can make an otherwise expensive-looking movie seem cheap and amaturish. I'm done ranting now.
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Oct 21, 2003 3:33:42 PM CDT
If the machines had used plants instead of humans in their power
by fluffyunbound
Plantie plant plant. Why not just grab four guys from crazed Matrix fan sites, let them see the movie and let them give the predictable great reviews, but HONEST predictable great reviews. Why give the assignment to some marketing hack? It just makes you look desperate. Let me guess: with the proper direction and training, Keanu could win Best Actor. Sheesh. Planting reviews is so stupid. Give Harry a set visit if you are so determined to get good AICN reviews.
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as the greatest sci-fi trilogy and just plain greatest trilogy in cinema history. The Matrix ruled, Reloaded was even better and is so far the film of the year and Revolutions is going to be fucking off the chart. Seriously anyone who has doubts about this film needs to take a look at the footage shown on that Australian tv. show Today Tonight showing part of the superbrawl between Smith and Neo. This scene is so fucking epic and brilliantly choreographed and includes some of the craziest visuals you will ever see...believe it! And drop the fucking recycled Reloaded criticisms, they were shot down months ago. And Orions Angel you are so fucking right about the music in Reloaded and that scene during the Chateau fight. I am ready for the Revolution(s). 11/05/03.
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I enjoyed Reloaded the first time I saw it, but it's one of those movies that gets crappier and crappier with each viewing. However, I think it's nessecary for the trilogy to work.
Every trilogy has a weak chapter- Back to the Future III, Return of the Jedi, Mallrats, Baron Munchausen, ect. (Ok, the Indiana Jones trilogy is the one exception, and for the sake of argument, I'm gonna consider the entire Lord of the Rings one long movie.) Each of those movies is enjoyable on its own right, but pales in comparison to the rest of the series. We should at least be thankful we got the shitty part out of the way (with Reloaded), and won't end it all on a sour note.
Hopefully, the Wachowskis got the "Lucas bug" out of their system with this one. They did the whole insane marketing thing with the product placement, the anime, and (might i add POS) video game, as well as the "wouldn't it be cool if..." scenes. (Let's face it- the "Burly Brawl" was not only gratuitious and too long, but it made the confrontation in the hallway- a much cooler and more important scene- seem redundant)
Now that they've made their money and had their fun, hopefully they've been able to make a movie that'll simply kick ass and make the Matrix trilogy something great.
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First off, I think there was just about one half worth of movie material in Reloaded. I really liked what I thought what relevant. But there were scenes mostly found in the first half of the movie that I think were inserted just to fill up space. I am speaking now of the notorious dance scene which, even if you find meaning in it, it was still annoying and really just retarded. And then the whole scene with Link and his girl. I really don
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Are they in it or not? If any of the guys who posted these reviews could say, that'd be supersweet.
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Oct 21, 2003 5:24:43 PM CDT
FIRSTLY, it is obvious that the first two reviews are "PLANTS"
by splung
.....some kind of cop-out where everything turns out to be a videogame a-la eXistenZ. The third review tends to lean towards such a conclusion being that he reveals that he felt sorry for the people in Zion untill "the final 3/4th" of the movie. Could be a videogame or it could turn out to be a riff on a Phillip K. Dick short story, who's name I can't remember at this particular moment, where humanity has been living underground, since a nuclear war, for decades and are starting to become curious about the surface but are disswaded(is that spelled right?) by the computers and machines, that run everything, who tell the humans that the enviroment is too dangerous. In the end a number of humans make it to the surface and find that the machine's have been cleaning up the planet after the nuclear war and have been keeping the humans underground untill such a time that they have evolved to the point to where they no longer wish to destroy each other. If that is the case in Revolutions then I could live with that!!!
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than the film version. the dvd looked 110% better in terms of fx, but the story sucked big time. The trailer for revolutions seems to look a little better, but these reviews may be plants.
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it is funny how people who loved reloaded always try to say that those who didn't like it just didn't get it and then they go and try to explain it to people. I'll tell you why i didn't like reloaded. Because it was a load of shit.
boring, repetitive shit...that fucking rave scene was ten times worse than anything in either of the star wars prequals.....having said all that, i'll be there opening day hahaha -
. . . cause "Reloaded" really didn't do it for me. Personally, when it comes to hard-core onscreen fighting, QT's "Kill Bill" is going to be tough to beat ("Reloaded"'s fights seem antiseptic and dry by comparison, both literally and figuratively). If I want my action mixed with philosophical musings, I'll re-watch my Chinese copy of "Hero" (The best film of 2002 that most of America was denied watching). And if I want intriguing sci-fi playing on notions of reality and humanity, I'll re-watch "Dark City".
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Arm-Chair Movie Critics.Means Nothing.
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Oct 21, 2003 6:00:48 PM CDT
Does anyone actually get hurt, or at least look like they're get
by 007-11
That's why the action scenes sucked in Reloaded and ruled in the first one and Kill Bill. In Reloaded it was like everyone was made of rubber and were just bouncing around having a good old time. No danger, no consequences, means you end up bored as hell watching these action scenes. Also, CGI characters should be used only when necessary. That agent jumping on the car, Neo flying through the hall, maybe if you'd stop slowing every damn thing down it wouldn't be as noticeable. Hopefully this one will make up for it.
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Oct 21, 2003 6:08:27 PM CDT
OK so I wasn't the only one who noticed that music from Matrix w
by russman
(whew) I thought I was going nuts for a bit. Everyone thought that song when Neo meets the woman in the red dress was really cool, yet no one ever mentioned that it was from a video game. I know, pat myself on the back, but I just found it weird that I never heard the game and the composer of the source music never got any credit. Maybe they did and I just didn't hear it but I just found it interesting.
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For a movie that made 300+ million dollars no one seems to like it. If I remember correctly it had a 30% drop off the second weekend still making 60+ million dollars. thats more money than most movies make in their whole run...anyway. I just rented Reloaded on DVD and of the opinion that If Reloaded was the first movie to come out that all the haters would love it. Compare it to The Hulk or Daredevil, it was the superiour movie. As far as acting goes, I could have swore the same stiff delivery was used. Neo looks at Morpheus jump the building..."Whoh"... Neo get the new martial arts program..."I know Kung-Fu"... Stiff acting is apart of the Matrix like Startrek. The fights made sense. And was nessesary. If they had less fights than the orginal you guys would be pissed as well. There are plenty of people out there who love it the movie does not need you to like it...I will see and so will millions of others just like they saw Reloaded
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I agree it is obvious. If you can't see it, you ain't too bright.
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Dug both movies, but I have always been bugged by Morpheus' rescue of Neo from the Matrix. In the Animatrix and Reloaded we see the "Surface" as a place where the humans never go and is always patrolled by thoudands of Sentinels.
So, how the hell did the Nebuchadnezzer go above ground, fly to the "power cell containers" and pick up Neo after he was "disconnected" without even the slightest difficulty?
At a minimum wouldnt the Matrix have knows or been altered something like that was happening?
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Dug both movies, but I have always been bugged by Morpheus' rescue of Neo from the Matrix. In the Animatrix and Reloaded we see the "Surface" as a place where the humans never go and is always patrolled by thoudands of Sentinels.
So, how the hell did the Nebuchadnezzer go above ground, fly to the "power cell containers" and pick up Neo after he was "disconnected" without even the slightest difficulty?
At a minimum wouldnt the Matrix have knows or been altered something like that was happening?
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Will end with Neo waking up in bed. Hung over from a night of drugs and booze. AKA Alice in Wonderland. Ever notice the similarities "Follow the white Rabbit"
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I just don'tunderstand what fans want. We get X2 which, in my mind, is the greatest traditional superhero movie EVER, and fans complain. We get Reloaded, which, I'll be honest with you I adored considering how much I thought the first one was overrated. I mean, if you take the concept of Dark City and the action of Blade - both overlooked pictures that were released just before the original Matrix, it was kind of hard to get excited about this white boy kicking ass with kung-fu. I *LOVED* the philosophical aspects of the movie though, so when Reloaded played on a lot of the mythologies and philosophies of the first movie, I was floored. Yet, fanboys found away to piss on it, bitching about the fights or the dialogue or whatever the fuck. I'm not going to sit here and engage in a losing battle about how the movie is criminally maligned, but it's sad to me that when we 'geeks'get exactly what we want, slaved over and beloved by geek-creators, we STILL bitch.
KILL BILL.
I've seen the flick twice, and as soon as I get back from Brazil, I'm going right back to my favorite theater in Cali and seeing the bloody thing again. As a fan of just about every damn movie Quentin is paying homage to, it's not that the movie is original or innovative. It puts the best aspects of every period kung-fu/samurai/and Western into one grand labor of love. I can't stop playing the soundtrack in my car, and the bootleg trailer is absolutely unbelieveable.
My question to any of you is why should any filmmaker try to make a movie for the fans...ever? Quentin putis his heart and soul into this movie, and it's truly unbelieveable pop madness. Pricks like David Ansen in Newsweek tell badger him about why it wasn't this way or that instead of letting the love come out on film as it did. Jackie Brown is my absolute FAVORITE Tarantino flick, but who gives a fuck? If Tarantino made Kill bill like Jackie Brown, it would be ridiculous! Yet, this is apparentely what idiots want.
I used to be a professional movie critic but stopped. It's ridiculous. These artists are putting their blood, sweat, and tears into making movies that most of us only dreamed of. What do we fucking idiot geeks do? Assualt them. M. Night, P.T. Anderson, Tarantino, all of the geek directors: Ignore the fanboys. Continue making what you love to make. This shit that fanboys do on this site turns my fucking stomach. Lets all give some more money to George Lucas -who's ACTIVELY and AWARELY pimping the hell out of us. Lets go support more slop like Episode 3! YES!!!! -
And before you attack me about the typographical errors, punctuation, miskeys, and my being an ex-critic; I'm in Rio de Janiero on a shit keyboard in an Internet cafe charging by the minute. Find something else to pick on. Peace.
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Humans as the machine's CPU, rather than their power source: that is indeed a great possibility. And plausible; this was also the case in Dan Simons' SF novel series "Hyperion".
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MATRIX AND ANY OTHER MOVIE WILL NEVER BEAT GYMKATA!!!!!
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BAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
The "real world" in the Matrix isn't that.....It's another form of controlling the humans within the Matrix. In reloaded the architect says the problem with humans in the Matrix is choice...so......the "real zion world" is the computers attempt at offering choice...the matrix world is nice & fluffy (heaven) the "zion real world" is nasty & spikey (hell). It's so simple it hurts & BTW the whole neo/smith thing is 2 computer operating systems fighting for control of the matrix.....you'll see i'm right in Nov!!! -
Oct 21, 2003 8:16:46 PM CDT
Out of Curiousity, is that shot in the trailer of the hulking co
by el duderino
Either or, not a bad effect persay, even if the seams show a little bit. And I'm hopeful that Revolutions proves me wrong... unlike most everyone else I'm really reluctant about how the film will turn out based on the final trailer. It didn't do a whole lot for me, honestly. The shot of all the mech-warriors cheering and raising their arms up after the "we'll give them hell" speech... this is extremely nit-picky, okay, I understand; it didn't feel genuine but instead just by-the-numbers. I can't explain it, more than that, but I didn't get a sense of any real emotion involved in that shot. Fuck it though, I'm still seeing this movie opening day regardless (hopefully at 9 AM), and seeing as my expectations are already low, I should enjoy it.
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How can anyone defend Matrix Reloaded? Especially that first hour, what the hell is up with Zion? With all the club beats and grinding it looks like a frat bar on a Friday night. The people of Zion look great and healthy not like they are trying to keep the human race alive fighting a losing war with machines. Ethos is right, watch the first Terminator, Kyle Reese and the other people of that future look defeated (although, I'm sure they would feel better if they also had an underground dance club). I'm not even going to start on what a joke the Link character is.
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Why do people keep referring to the wachowski brothers? Didn't one of them complete his sex change operation yet?
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Remember this :
The intial pitch for Warner Bros about Matrix was "a sci-fi epic set inside a computer".
As long as you remember the key words "set inside a computer" you'll be able to work out what the matrix is.
And ask yourself, who is the virus?
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Hey fuckstick, attending oxford doesn't mean your the top 2% intellectually, it just means you got good grades and mommy and daddy earn in the top 2% economically. Your pretentious blimey twat.
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To those who say, why couldn't Neo fuck Agent Smith up like he did last time, understand the following: Whatever was done to him in the last movie did not put him down for good. If it apparently has failed to work this time, why is it going to work now? He recognizes that since his last attempt to kill him didn't work, he knew he'd have to fight it out. But he didn't anticipate the numbers of Smith clones, so at some point, he realizes that sticking around will not be good for his health, which he does have as he is human. He can be killed and the question of coming back to life once more is no certainty. That's why he has to use weapons in the Merovingian's palace. ----------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- ------------------ On to other things. What is Neo, as of Reloaded? He is the ultimate Operating System Patch, and you know what? He has completely malfunctioned. The Matrix as constructed by the Architect as either the sum of humanity's most perfect thoughts and feelings, or as the sum of humanities most ugly impulses both failed. The problem, as he says, is choice. It is the Chaotic error that the machines are incapable of resolving in humanity. The architect could neither deliever everybody to heaven, nor commit them to hell, because some people, and eventually all people would eventually reject the program. But choice is not entirely random, so the machines could predict where the choices would be, and nudge people along in the desired direction. But they could not fully remove those who would resist that nudge and reject the program. It was the Oracle, the intuitive program that made an occupation of studying human behavior, that hit upon the present form of the Matrix. Let those that wanted to leave, leave. Keep the system stable by allowing the rebels, the anti-authoritarians to leave and take out their fellow free-thinkers. then stick them in Zion, which is essentially a holding tank for them. Then, every once and a while, as too many minds find their way free to keep the system stable, and the numbers in Zion approach threatening levels, the Machines would wipe out the people in Zion, and send "The One" back to the source, to untangle all the inconsistencies in the system as only a human mind could. Then, he would choose the first people to be freed, and when he had freed them, they would continue on with the idea that this Zion was the last human city, and that the machines had only just conquered humanity, when in fact, the process had cycled through six times before Neo came along. Matrix 6.0, if you will. ------------------------
-------------------- -------------------------------- I guess The deal with the One is that every person in the Matrix is essentially loaded up with software at birth, if not beforehand . The interface software would act as an API, the way DirectX would, putting a layer between the user and the machine. Of course, unexpected results occur with software. Bugs. And hacks too. and if anybody has access to the system, and knowledge of the code, you can do two things. 1)Free people's minds, and let them hack themselves into near Godlike beings, inserting programs into their minds, and 2) Drop whatever objects you want to into the system, which the system can't distinguish from the "real" thing, things they can't hack out of the code without going through a great deal of trouble. The Matrix is a server that can never be shut off for repairs or reformatting. Now, the machines, being the logical, formal creatures that they tend to be, could not reprogram a human centered program like The Matrix so that choice would not destabilize everything. So what do they do? Give the entire API to one guy, give him the power to work this fantastically complex system, and then arrange things so that he enters into the system and gets to work fixing all the accumulated inconsistencies and bugs. Of course, that means creating a nearly God-like being for the time he is a man within the Matrix. A person who knows the API, is someone who can change whatever they want. It's like knowing the Quake 3 engine, and being in a game based on it, but also being able to program on the fly. You'd be able to hack your way to invulnerability, improve your attacks to the most devastating degree. So why all the martial arts? Because martial arts are rooted in working with the environment and the people around you by feel. With a system so insanely complex, you'd have to interact by feel, because the sheer volume of information would swamp your mind. ------------------------------ --------------------------------------- ------------------------- It should be noted that Neo did not perform as he was supposed to. This makes the next movie supremely interesting, because instead of following the inevitable chain of events that was suppose to occur, Neo and the rest are having to make their own destinies instead. The playing field has been drastically reshaped, and I admire the Wachowskis for being able to manage that. -
i totally dug the matrix reloaded. it was a fun summer movie w/ good action. but this movie had some major flaws in terms of narrative and continuity w/ the previous film. First off the whole movie felt like parts were cut out (and they were put into the animatrix and the videogame which sucks btw and refuse to spend $50 on even if it will help the story along).
it just didnt feel very cohesive. Then there is never a real sense of urgency. the human race is about to die w/in the next few hours...so that makes them feel the need to party. i guess one could argue that they're celebrating their humanity and freedom one last time b4 they bite the big one. but whatever. it felt unnecessary. the burly brawl, altho probably the best cgi fight ever conjured, felt totally inconsequential. the fight neo had w/ agent smith (one-on-one) toward the end of the first movie felt more important. this one felt like they were showin off their new special effects. he coulda flew away any time, he coulda used his code-destroyer move he used at the end of the first movie. why did he stay?? was he that cocky? then there's the fact that in that whole fight there is not one drop of blood even tho neo takes like a million hits to the face and is tossed around like a little b**ch. in the whole movie he only bleeds when a GIANT FUCKING BROADSWORD scrapes the side of his palm. that thing shoulda lopped off his fuckin fingers. and if the agents in these movies were in fact upgraded how the hell did morpheus not get pummeled to a bloody pulp by agent johnson when in the first movie agent smith (an earlier model) had his way w/ him and he couldnt even get one decent hit in. no, in his fight on top of the big rig he more than held his own. trinity's fight at the end seemed more sensible. then one got the sense that the wachowskis really went out of their way to use big words. i'm not a really wordy person and it took me a while to totally get what the hell the architect said. and then there's morepheus's manner of speaking...very wordy too. i mean this guy was just some hacker in his previous life wasn't he?? then agent smith's role in these last 2 movies is not best explained here. In Reloaded he's just around gettin in people's way. you dont get the sense that he's a major problem/threat that u do from the revolutions trailer. this movie had no real central villain. no one major personification of evil that we can all root for the good guy to beat. i loved this movie, but under scruitiny one can see the flaws. i was not disappointed w/ it at all. i expected a happy popcorn movie and nothing more, and thats what i got. and i'm totally looking forward to revolutions. -
I can bet that The Matrix was meant to be just one movie because the whole shit in Reloaded just didn't seem right. The movie had no soul just like Keanu's acting abilities. I liked the first one a lot and the second one was NOT necessary. Revolutions better be good...and what's with Morpheus acting like Moses and Neo like a Jesus based character?
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I'll throw my two cents in on this manner and since I'm a little out of time today, a little coment on T4 and the Rock will be thrown in the mix to keep things tight.
It's really funny how a 281 million dollar movie is now hated by everyone. Sure it wasn't as good as the first one, but then again, there's no way in hell or Earth to keep anything as fresh as the first one. That one was a knock out, we didn't even see it coming. Reloaded had all the expectations to leave upm to. We wanted the bam wham surprise. But guess what the Universe, the rules, the conflict had been stablished in the first one, so no surprises. The thing is, it looks like everyone, over 25 million ticket buyers went to watch a movie so they could discharge their dump on to it. Realoaded wasn't the best or even all that it was hyped to be. Would you say you were happier with let's say "Attack of the Clones"? "Hulk"? "Daredevil" anyone? Even T3... I think the thing with the Matrix is, these two installments are supposed to be viwed just like Kill Bill, a two parter. This is a sequel of the original cut in half and served in increments. And all we've seen so far is the first half. Personally I think it was an extremely satisfying meal. I came back for a repeat, and yet another one. The third shall blow everyone away, I had no doubt about that even as I was coming out of the theatre, holding a little grugde against the Wachowski Brothers. What I would like to see is all of you sorry ass haters come back after watching Revolutions and redeeming yourself for all the pile of shit you threw at it before you had seen a single frame of it (trailers don't count- and the trailer kicks ass yet you have no faith). Of course that won't happen 'cuz your obtuse mind and your nitpicking will have you taking yet another swing... to keep it up, you know. You guys can't get enough. Star wars was 20 plus years ago, and Georgie is making sure to bury the whole Mythology by bringing his pre-quels to life. L.O.T.R. is a novel adaptation, The Terminator ran out of gas on the second one. Aliens? Just because they have created the best super-hero sci-fi comic book adaptation ( that isn't even out of comic book) is no reason for you all to be enraged. I'm sure you could come up with something... original that is... there are plenty of ideas left...it is possible... put you punie little minds to work.
Now getting "The Rock" to substitute Arnie on the Terminator Recall, now that's a pile of garbage... We need a fourth Terminator like we needed the third one. T3 wasn't damn awful but it was no T2... I mean you take away James Cameron, and Linda Hamilton/Sarah Connor and you have already walked away from the legend. Now you take Arnie, what's left? Juliet playing a rebel and a wrestler running after her? Do you think they will give his Terminator some rapid moves, soem grappling and throwing and smashing of heads? Why not call it a different movie altogether. "The Runddown of The Scorpion Exterminator" or something... Oh, I forgot, you got ride on a name brand, suqueeze all the last dollars out of it, 'til you're left with an empty pool of empty untasisfied costumers.
I give some props to Dwayne, he ain't no Arnie, he ain't got his chops down as an actor yet, but he sure can runndown all Vin Diesels and Ice Cubes in the world solely on his charisma. But another Terminator is a bad move not only for the franchise but also to His Rockness... quit scrapping Schwartz's bow and go get your own. Enough with pointless sequels that nobody's asking for. Bring me Revolutions, let's wipe that sarcastic smile out of the Ewoks and Trekkies on this Earth. I took the red pill, so I'm in for the long ride.
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HEH HEH just kidding
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Noone has answered my question yet, please help. MY QUESTION has to do with the scene when Agent Smith cloned himself into Bane (I guess that
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So, how can Morpheus reach his sword if he had to stand on it first? It doesn't show him replacing it higher, he just jumps up onto the trailer top. Discuss.
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Unless you are going to demand that every loose end in what you KNEW would not be the last movie be tied up, I would not call "Reloaded" confusing.
The only confusion I can see is not being sure whether the Oracle is supposed to represent Sophia.
There's a difference between confusion and leaving something open for speculation.
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"The character that was with him had an envelope from the Oracle. A few scenes later, he gives Neo a key or something that the Oracle had given him. What the hell am I missing guys? How the hell can you be given something in the Matrix and carry it back through the phone line. Because in reality you are just sitting in chair. What happens? An envelope suddenly appears in your hand."
Matrix is like a big program, that envelope was just code. In ETM they show how it's possible to go from the Matrix straight to the construct and back again, they can easily take that envelope to the construct, and transfer it onto a disk, it's just code, information, just like transferring stuff onto a floppy disk. -
Oct 21, 2003 11:23:38 PM CDT
Remember the first few reloaded reviews were very positive
by jon e cin
and we all know how dissapointing it actually was...so be skeptical..
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I was watching the whole REVOLUTIONS trailer and was wondering: What happened to this franchise? Or can one good movie even be called a franchise, other than what this really is: overblown, overhyped, overbaked piece of sci-fi masturbation from two overrated "wunderkinds" who think they're ideas are so important that they can't afford to do interviews (except unless it's in some cross dressing magazine). REVOLUTIONS sounds like more crap that we got in RELOADED: more Zion booty shaking; more actors enunciating rather than acting; more Agent Smith, who is the very definition of more is less; and more fx that was revolutionary in 1999 but these movies took so damn long to make that the rest of the world ran ahead of it. I can't imagine anyone getting excited over this, except for that small mass who insist on living in denial that RELOADED was anything else but Hollywood crap--targeted at the geek/cyberpunk demo, but crap nonetheless.
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I've spoiled it! There, now no one needs to see this movie!
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If Cypher enters the Matrix unbeknownst to the rest of the crew in order to meet with the agents and discuss giving up his crew members...who served as Cypher's "operator"? They show everybody having to enter and exit the Matrix elaborately though telephone lines set up by operators, and they show somebody at the controls in the ship making sure they get in and get out of the Matrix safely. If you're lying in a chair plugged into the computer, you're not going to be able to unplug yourself, because "you" are in the Matrix. And, even if you *could* do it all yourself, how could you be certain that you wouldn't be caught by your other crew members? What is the likelyhood of complete solitude on a "hovercraft", and right in the middle the main control center?
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This has been a long discussion so I cant even remember specifically who I'm responding to. I do remember someone saying Neo pussied out and flew off but that was way up there. The fights follow a logical order. Neo doesnt have to fight, he can kick all ass. Since he can kick all ass, though, why wouldnt he fight? This is obvious in the first fight with agents. He says, "Upgrades." then goes about whooping ass. He didnt really need to take the time to battle them but he can without any chance of losing, so why not? He's stroking his own ego. The next fight is with The Oracle's protector. As Seraph says afterwards, the only way to know someone is to fight them. Neo proved he was who he is both by his skill and his ego. He was surprised by Seraph's attack but then fought him with a confidence no one else would have had. This was to appear the most choreographed fight in the movie because Seraph was testing Neo's ego. Anyone but Neo would have responded to Seraphs moves in a different manner, as if it was their life on the line, not a dance. Neo dances with him, because he's had many fights, and he doesnt see anyone as a match for him. That's how Seraph knows he is who he is. Another program pretending to be Neo could have fought as well, maybe, but not with his mixture of surprise and arrogance. That leads into the third fight, the big brawl, or burley brawl or whatever. Now I know someone said Neo takes off like a pussy. Ive also heard people complain he didnt fly off soon enough because it was obvious he couldnt win. I didnt much care for the whole fight myself but it does fit. He fights because he cant be beaten. 10, 20, 30 opponents and he still goes on. And they go on. More and more. Finally he overcomes his ego and realizes as much as he battles, the enemy will just keep on growing. He cannot win and cannot lose. He doesnt 'pussy out' but finally grasps that he's not a god. He stayed longer than he should have because of his ego. He left when he did not because he's a pussy but because his ego was finally overcome.
Now we're on to fighting the Merovingians men. He blocks a broadsword with his hand and bleeds. The M says, "See, he's only human," but without the doubt cast by his previous battles would Neo have thought himself just human? He blocked a sword with his hand. Unless he thought himself impervious he'd never have reacted that way. But he did, and we see a small drop of blood, as the Merovingian did. Merovingian is telling us what is obvious, Neo can lose because he thinks he can lose, he's only human.
Neo overcomes that to win. The Merovingian lets him know he has survived his predecessors, indicating there's something different about this Neo. What is the difference, though? How did all of Neo's reactions to these battles lead him to react differently with the Architect? What's next? Maybe if I were in the top 2% of intellects I'd know. -
The war against the machines did happen. Only, the human beings won the war, not the machines. The Matrix is a POW camp for the artificial intelligence that lost the war.
Which would explain why the third reviewer said the following: "...I felt for Zion, they actually feel like real people this time around (especially ironic given what is revealed 3/4ths the way through)..."
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I'm not one of those people who think that everyone who didn't understand Reloaded is an idiot, I just think that everyone who didn't like it was looking for an entirely different movie than what The Matrix has set out to be. The Matrix isn't just some kind of popcorn action flick that is intended to only show off CG and action. It has one of the most in depth scripts and philisophical meanings in a movie possibly since Dead Man (with Johnny Depp, I highly recommend by the way). Reloaded was the mumbojumbo film in the trilogy, if you know what I'm saying. This is what has tied the first and final films together and I think the only mistake they possibly could have made was overloading it too much for fans not looking for the spiritual intentions of the film. This is what happens when you decide to do a last minute trilogy. If they would have written the first Matrix planning on making two more then there would have been one of those lengthy monologues in the first and moved another to the last. I think that if you have more of an open mind towards the film and look at it as a film and a great piece of wrtitting you will seee that there is a lot more to this movie than what is on the surface, which you already know it just wasn't what you were wanting or looking for. If anyone is interested in the philosophy behind The Matrix (which has many ties to Eastern Religions, primarily Buddhism) I highly I think you should pick up "The Matrix and Philosophy by William Irwin. It's very interesting and, well, it
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I finally got to see the 'RE-IMAGINE-D' version of "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre", and I have to say my experience was less than stellar, yet entertaining. Right now in American cinema, there seems to be a lot of crap unworthy of of making it to your local googleplex let alone shown on my butt with a 'GAF VIEWMASTER'. . So, I am compelled to state the fact the the 2003 remake of "The Texas Chain Saw Massacre" is a satisfying movie for the current breed of horror films. Let me add, it is not a great movie. It is one of an upcoming many in a trend of many of the recently Hollywood slang-o-istic labeling of old classics into crappily 'RE-IMAGINE-D' films. Well, this trend makes me nauseous and gives me projectile vomit inducing dehydrating diarrhea . The "Chainsaw" dillio is less of a V8-commercial-like-forehead-slapping 'RE-IMAGINE-D' movie than the upcoming John "love me for all past goodness, ignore my recent crappy body of work" Carpenter's soon-to-be-abomination, the 'RE-IMAGINE-D' film "Halloween". While watching 'Chainsaw' today, it made me realize that there are some benefits to reimagination if it's done properly. The original 'Chainsaw' is a classic for many reasons. It is also a great film for many reasons. The original was extremely subtle in its storytelling and had a way of getting hard-core ideas across while implying the actual base jumping. The original was scarier tenfold because it had the greatest special effects department ever in the history of film past, present, and future, the individual filmgoers imagination. The special effects in the current version of "Chainsaw" were tremendous and at no time did I feel that they were senseless, they were necessary for plot development as well in this building the infamous ' creep factor'. I believe that Bruckheimer and Bay changed the story so much that, they were only utilizing the title of the original to be able to sell this movie because of its cultural recognizability. It's things like this that whittle away at any existing shreds of originality left in the Hollywood. The new "Chainsaw" could have subtracted the lead character, 'Leatherface', and turned him into any other violent spree killer, got rid of the chainsaw, and called it, "The Beverly Kill-billies". A film like this would have stood up on its own merit. I truly believe that it could have been filed away in a great Americans film library as a great American horror film. What happens here though is that because of the greed of Hollywood and its widely accepted lack of originality, it goes down as an honorable mention on cables future-spewed network channel "MTM" or it will be otherwise known by its full name, "Movies That Missed it by that much" 25 years from now in a special called, "Remember the Remakes-2003 EDITION". So it seems that conviction of the craft of filmmaking and commitment to seeking kinetic thought provocation with celluloid and sound is no longer inspired passion for those who have the power to make a difference, and Internet messaging toads like us, will always be the ones who could make a difference but won't. Remember this, " for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". It is in this phrase where I find solace and faith that the "ACTION" of Conveyor Belting Rehashed ( I mean 'RE-IMAGINE-D' ) Decent Standalone Classics" will be volleyed with the well deserved "RE-ACTION of a slow, and painful filibuster-like retelling by "F-Troops"-Mr. Larry Storch to each and every Hollyweird 'SUIT' of how Lee Majors was shafted out of the "Primo" 'Nancy' role on 'Eight Is Enough' because of his mid-seventies 'TOOTSKIE' back-monkey and the undeniable evidence that Lee was not 17 years old nor was Lee a female.. Or, maybe these current ' Wunderkind ' will have to enjoy a Slovenly meal of some down home Karma making it's rounds through all of the all-knowing Illuminati choking on its own brilliance. Let us make new movies that are good and keep the existing 'CLASSIC' films in a hermetically sealed jar on 'FUNK AND WAGNALLS' porch. Encourage, not regulate, film makers into leaving classic films as they are seek other challenges. These films are our history and we should not try to improve those things which should remain in our minds the way in which they were initially created.
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Oct 22, 2003 2:10:22 AM CDT
I love it when anybody who didn't like a film just didn't "get"
by st.buggering
As if there was anything not to "get" in Matrix Reloaded. We're hardly talking about a pinnacle of philosophical rumination. It was a moron ride pumped up with a sex rave for the Pepsi generation. Didn't get it? Please. I got more than enough, thank you. I'm sincerely hoping that Revolutions returns to form, as I'd hate to have to come away from the whole trilogy with a bad taste in my mouth.
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why not just pull the plug? why bother going through all this drama? Reminds of the robot on fire in the Simpsons shouting
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I do see that the oracle is different in Reloaded, but on imdb.com they say that it is Gloria in both. Probably a mistake. People who liked Kill Bill aren't all over QT's nuts. Kill Bill was an awesome movie. Don't hate because QT hoped on the wagon of people making series films, it's a simple marketing plan. Remember it's all about the money. Kill Bill was obviously an homage to spaghetti westerns and classic Kung-Fu flicks. It's supposed to be cheasy, funny, have over the top vilence (anyone story The story of Riki) and use film tricks (ie, wire fighting, fast motion, etc.) Kill Bill used wire fighting but only in little parts and they weren't that obvious except when the bald guy follows Uma up the banister (he jumps from the floor all the way up). It was a good movie and I just want to leave it at that. Usually people love QT's movies or hate them.Plus there isn't much sexier than two hot chicks kicking the shit out of eachother. And I hate people hiding behind a degree. The smartest people are those who know they know nothing and are ready to admit that they have alot to learn, and I don't give a shit if you went to Oxford. Reloaded was a mistake of making a last minute trilogy and neading to fill in story on a deep movie. Kill Bill is an homage to everything a film junkie loves. And yeah I'll be back later.
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Read "The Tao of Pooh", "The Perrenial Philosphy" by Aldous Huxley, "As a Man Thinketh", "The Kyballion" and "The Divine Comedy" and try to say that The Matrix isn't all that deep. Don't hate something about the film that takes more than just watching the movie to fully appreciate. I understand being less than impressed with some of the CG during the "Burly Brawl". And I didn't read these books because of The Matrix. "You can't hate something you don't respect" Danny Balint, "The Believer" (Good movie)
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to whoever said it, this is exactly like attack of the clones. "is it better than phantom menace?" "oh yeah, by a loooong shot". is it still terrible? yes. reloaded wasn't good at all. neo was basically invincible. the fight with all the agent smiths was just silly. he kicked ass, then when shit started getting heavy, he flew away. that's it. why didn't he just fly away in the first place? fuck this noise.
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Honestly, is there a single person in this website who still knows how cool it is to go to the movies? To feel the wonder of escape into another world full of action, horror, romance, and drama? To know that this is one of the best forms of storytelling ever created? Let me just say:I loved Reloaded, I loved Matrix, I LOVE THE WHOLE STAR WARS SERIES, and I love LOTR. Right now I'm marking the days till Revolutions, ROTK, and Episode 3. When I go to the movies, I have only one expectation, to be entertained. I don't care about the hype or anything else except, is it a movie I want to see? A movie has to screw up pretty bad to disappoint me. The one's that have I never watch again. Still nothing has diminished the joy I feel everytime I got to the theater, sit down with my popcorn, and wait for the lights to go down. Let me asks this question again: Is there a single, simple, movie fan among you? Or are you all just a bunch of idiots with too much time on your hands and a compulsive need to complain?
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Oct 22, 2003 4:09:38 AM CDT
Moriarty gave a link to Matrix 3 spoilers some time ago--legit?
by dr. omega
This page seems to cover spoilers for the entire film. It is from this Star Wars article on AICN:
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=15860
It is the "absolutely true" link toward the bottom:
http://www.xzaust.com/index.php?page=matrix
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I can't wait for this! Hopefully, this will put the series back on track...
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Press Lenox and St.Buggering got it pretty much right. I love how the fact that I wasn't entertained by Reloaded must be because I didn't get all the "deep" philosophy. Well actually, when I saw it in the theater the only part that I liked was the architect conversation at the end. But I felt it was too little too late, and it wasn't enough to make the movie as a whole an enjoyable experience for me.
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Well said... indeed this site is getting more & more negativity...
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Oct 22, 2003 6:30:12 AM CDT
I "got" reloaded ,it may be interesting but its a deeply flawed
by soma imp
Before any more rabid Matrix fans like TheEnigma insult my intelligence, I've seen the Matrix Reloaded about 5 times, and yes I got it.
The prophecy is just another degree of control, give a monkey a brain and he'll think he's the centre of the universe, etc, etc, etc.
I've read my Baudrillard, obviously the Wachowski's have too. Unfortunately they took some interesting ideas and obscured them with pointless computer gimmickry. Don't try and pretend that the Matrix is a valuable philosophical document because it isn't. It is glossy hollywood entertainment first and foremost. Themes covered in the Matrix are explored to much greater depth in Kant or Baudrillard's own works, not to mention many other philosphers who dealt with these concepts a long time ago.
So it is a film with some interesting elements, which is why I went back to see it repeatedly. It is also over-directed, chock full of wince-worthy, portentious dialogue and unnecessarily protracted action.
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If Neo returning to the source is so important for the survival of the Matrix in Reloaded then why are the agents trying so hard to stop the keymaker and why is the Merovingian trying to stop Neo if he'll die anyway if the Matrix is shut down
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Oct 22, 2003 6:50:12 AM CDT
DAWN OF THE DEAD TEASER ON APPLE.COM!!!!!!!!!!!! Sarah Polley r
by dirtydingusmcgee
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The biggest problem with Reloaded is they broke the Cardinal rule of visual media: Show not Tell. They spent way too much time telling us plot points and not enough time showing them instead. It sounds like they got that worked out for the third one.
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Mad magazine wrote that matrix:reloaded was a 2 1/2 sequel that was nothing but one big bolated trailer for matrix:revolutions. Well maybe that's trut after all.
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Dunno if ya seen these... but damn do they have some damn convincing speculations here...
Dun say ya not warned...
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Do'oh!
Meant to say...
Thanks, empyreal0, for the backup. Anyone claiming these stories are mindless is at best semi-literate. The history of literature is 5500 years old, and myth isn't told in the same way as the novel. Simplistic storylines cloak complex archetypes. If sci-fi fan boys could be bothered to read literature older than, say, Heinlein, they might realize this. ----------- It is fair to complain that Reloaded was not "connected" to regular joes, like the first film was. But it wasn't supposed to be. This is a post-modern myth, and in the myth-cycle, while the first part of the cycle takes place on the earthly plane, the second takes place among malevolent spirits: asuras, or Rakshasas, or the like. Reloaded isn't supposed to be taking place among mortals, it's place is to explore the world of demigods and divinities, whether cruel or benevolent. The cycle will surely end with these worlds being brought together in collision. --------- -
"Reloaded" just broke my heart so badly, I was depressed for days. Not going thru that again. I think I'll go see "The Station Agent" or "Lost in Translation" Nov. 5 instead, and throw my money at a film that could use the help. I'll catch "Revolutions" on HBO when all the overwrought hype has died down.
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Did I read that just right? Reloaded "broke" your heart? HOLY CRAP. I knew expectations were going to run too high for many, but... HOLY CRAP. Reloaded is easily the most critized movie since 1999, and unlike The Phantom Menace, where even the most basic of movie watchers could point out how things could have been changed, this time very few people are doing the same now. It is 100% damned if you, damned if you don't. The Architect was either the best point, or the most confusing and boring point. The CG animation was either groundbreaking or terrible. The whole of Zion was essential or worthless. The opinions on this movie are so varied. And almost scary. I highly enjoyed Reloaded, think it is the best offering of the year so far, and Revolutions already has my money. It's just right up my alley. Still, I think the recent quote Keanu made has become true. "What you get out of the Matrix depends on how much energy you put into it.", and the above comments are so insane that it is clear that people have put a HELL of a lot of energy into a single movie. Wow.
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Hear hear. I love all of em. But talkbacking seems to have a culture of negativity, which comes from the basic insecurity of the talkbackers I guess. Or their utterly unrealistic expectations and minds warped by years of gaming. I am, natch, the exception which proves the rule.
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All u matrix haters are full of shit. The ONLY bad thing about Reloaded was that weak ASS rave. Period. Anything else you fags are just nitpickin about. Prepare to be blown away 11/05
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There are theories out there that say that the end will reveal that no one involved is human at all, and that the Matrix is secretly a program to house the AI's after they LOST the war for world domination. This is potentially one satisfying end to the story as a whole. I would accept that a lot more than I would accept "a matrix within a matrix" which would make me throw shit at the screen, if the payoff turns out to be that weak. One OTHER way the Wachowskis could have gone that would have been even more in keeping with their postmodern continental philosophy bent would be to reveal that the Matrix has been voluntary all along. HUMANS built the Matrix because HUMANS had made the world uninhabitable and the machines run the Matrix as a prison because HUMANS told them to. If the world can no longer support human life on the agriculture/urban centre model, but can only support it if we plug ourselves into pods and get fed chemicals and breathe recycled air, what do you do? You either sit in the pods thinking, and go insane, or you retreat into virtual reality. And you close the door behind yourselves, too, because if you don't erase the knowledge that you are living in a construct, you have all sorts of problems. People would reject the program, people would go insane, people would demand alterations to the program to suit their personal tastes, and - most prominently - people would despair because "nothing would mean anything because nothing is real". The machines are guards, but they are the guards we chose. And the secret has to be kept even from those few people who fall out of the program and hide in Zion. It is possible that in this scenario the Architect is also outside the program, as one of a handful of people who live in the "desert" volutarily in order to be a human backup to the machine protocols running the system. // One critical point to remember is that we are dealing with post-Nietzschean philosophy here. Nietzsche believed that it was possible for "truth" to not be a value - or, more properly, he thought it possible for there to be human values more important than truth. Critical reason, by undermining value systems that people had accepted without thinking, had "killed God" and deposited man into an empty and cold landscape. Truth, or the critical quest for truth, had freed us, but had not improved our condition - it had instead made us petty, pragmatic, and ignoble. This state of being was something that had to be "overcome", essentially by making the decision to forget the truths revealed by critical reason in order to voluntarily resume living within a narrow horizon of new values. Neither Nietzsche nor his successors Heidegger and Sartre were particularly effective at describing exactly how this could be done, not doing much more than talking about "Will" and "Commitment" and a lot of other things that sound good but don't really work when you try them, because at least part of the mind is always conscious of the fact that one is trying to trick oneself. The post moderns like Baudrillard or Ciordan tend to take the despair a step further, accepting the notion that the situation cannot be "overcome" and preaching either passive acceptance and/or suicide, or in the case of Baudrillard half-heartedly suggesting attempting to sew enough pieces of the old "metanarratives" together in a collage so that maybe we can tide ourselves over until someone really creative comes along. // If the Wachowskis were REALLY trying a philosophical mindfuck, having the Matrix be a neccessary lie that maintains humanity's existence - and therefore represent the "good" side, if we measure good in human terms - and having Zion be a disruptive force that threatens, periodically, to destroy mankind by disrupting the illusions which make life possible and tolerable - and therefore be the "bad" side - would be a great way to do it. The avant-garde, in destroying idols to make way for "the truth", flatters itself that it is serving right by doing so. What if it isn't? Moses may be superior to Voltaire, in human terms, despite the fact that Moses did not serve the truth. The greatest mindfuck of all would be for Neo to free EVERYONE from the Matrix and for him to be hated for it - and for the real hero to be the one who figures out how to turn the machines back on again.
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These long ass posts are giving me such a headache!! Can't you keep it down to a paragraph or two, all you egotistical verbose bastards...
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Oct 22, 2003 10:47:57 AM CDT
I can't believe I've just wasted 2 hours of my life reading all
by dirkd13"
Now I love movies in general, even unmitigated disaters have a certain artistry about them, and I live a quasi-lonely existence in that I cannot find anybody in my town (the English equivalent of hicksville Texas) with even remotely the same passion for movies as me. Yet since becoming a regular visitor to this site I have to say that I'm glad. You guys all suck.
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OUCH!!
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...it seems that the rest of the world is really embracing The Matrix triology more so than Americans. Reloaded is the highest grossing International release this year and a lot of my British and Japanesse friends really love the film. I have come to the conclusion, considering that my President is a stupid Texan frat-boy, that most Americans are stupid and lash out and trash things they do not understand. Just a thought.
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Where can I find complete spoilers or script for Revolutions? I want to be spoiled rotten!!
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...the rest of the world will bend over for any American Sci-fi. What's their alternative? Godzilla and Dr. Who?
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Oct 22, 2003 12:59:18 PM CDT
NEO DIES, THE KID HE SAVED IN ANIMATRIX BECOMES THE NEW ARCHITEC
by larazarules
and that's the ending of REVOLUTIONS...wait! is this considered a spoiler?
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Is if we get more scenes of Link getting bitched out by his old lady.
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http://www.xzaust.com/index.php?page=matrix
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Great stuff. Your suggested ending would certainly be a lot better than the simplistic "Matrix within a Matrix" everyone's afraid of (which the reviewers say we're safe from. Hope that's true). And frankly, even "matrix within a matrix within yet another matrix" ain't much better.
Having said that, I think the Wachowskis have planted too many hints that there is some kind of real conflict here between man and machine ("Oracle saying the only way to reach the future is together"). In fact, any ending that negates the conflict we've been told exists would be less than satisfying: conflict is the basis of drama, so to say there really wasn't any conflict to begin with, or that the real conflict ended long ago, would be almost as unsatisfying as some "it was all a dream" cop-out. But Revolutions needs a good reversal, and it has to be less predictable than the "matrix within a matrix" idea. Haven't seen Revolutions so this is technically not a SPOILER, but if this turns out to be right, you might not want to read further ..........................................................................if you're still reading, I think at least one of the reversals is this: the intuitive program that "stumbled" upon the formula for making people accept the program is not the Oracle, not Persephone, but Trinity. And the word "stumbled" means she might not have done it on purpose, might not even realize she's a program. It would make perfect sense, and symbolize the union of man and machine that Reloaded touched on. And the real reason for the existence of the Matrix is probably just so the Machines can learn from their creators something not in their nature: free will, or choice. The very thing Neo guesses is the problem with the Matrix is the thing the Machines don't truly understand, as evidenced by Smith's talk with Neo about how he'd changed, just before the Burly Brawl: "I knew what I was supposed to do, but I didn't." In other words, before Neo had imprinted on Smith, it never occurred to him to do anything other than what his program dictated. I could definitely be wrong about this -- Persephone seems a more obvious choice, possibly asking Neo for that kiss to fulfill her primary function of studying love -- but if it were Persephone, why make such a big fucking mystery about it? Why not have the Architect just say, "Nope, it's not the Oracle, it's that slut Persephone. Yeah, the one that tongued you at the restaurant." The Architect confirmed in Reloaded that Neo is human: not a normal human (his "consciousness altered by the process", but definitely human. Nobody's said the same about Trinity. And looking back at the first film, Neo wasn't the One until Trinity decided he was. And exactly what the fuck does her name mean, anyway? Three levels of Matrix in which she exists? Or maybe some melding of beings (her, Neo, and something/someone else, maybe even Smith)? -
Oct 22, 2003 1:40:54 PM CDT
DMented - uhh just go see what happens at spoiler link below (an
by flipster
http://www.xzaust.com/index.php?page=matrix
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Matrix - bah. Jack Elam's dead. The world's a sadder, less-talented place.
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For crying out loud.. That scriptment xzaust.com (aka the Dolan script) is completely fake. It was discredited almost the instant it came out and the person behind it came out and admitted he pulled it out of his ass based on playing the Enter the Matrix game. (which as material not available any where else) He might have a few points correct based on a guess that anyone could make watching the trailer but thats it. Back in September Dark Horizones posted on the 12 "An elaborate (and likely a hoax) complete major spoiler breakdown of the film is up at Xzaust." to be followed up the next day "Those dubious scriptments are fake - the guy who penned them has fessed" So lets have this die.
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Oct 22, 2003 3:15:49 PM CDT
C'mon my fellow Americans...secretly in your hearts you know tha
by lost skeleton
...most of our countrymen are as dumb as bricks.
How do you explain W?
How do you explain Britney Spears?
How do you explain Fear Factor?
And thus...I'm hoping my $300 checks from W will help more of my friends get jobs.
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The people who would be writting novels up there with Hemmingway, Vonnegut and Steinbeck aren't writting books, their writting movie scripts. Film has become the medium where everyone gets there cultural fixation and we have to start looking and analyzing films like we would look and analyze a book.
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That just goes to show what's on his mind...
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isn't it amusing how one little movie can get people into such a shit-fit? i mean for fucks sake you guys its a movie! also, isn't it amusing how you never see the wachowski bros in any of the dvd extras on reloaded. come to think of it i've never seen either of them on any interviews, ever. i guess they don't want all you assholes who get all huffy about their movies to hunt them down and kill them when they KILL NEO and TRICK YOU ALL. from what i've seen no one is pointing out that REVOULTIONS are what a circle does, not what a group of angry people with guns do. HAHAHA!!! NOW YOU SEE THAT EVIL WILL ALWAYS TRIUMPH BECAUSE GOOD IS DUMB!!
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it's accurately reported in the xzaust article. fyi
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Oct 22, 2003 3:48:03 PM CDT
IM NOT READING NO REVIEWS, NO OPINIONS, NOTHING, I got my 11 tic
by rcamacho2278
FUCK reviews, FUCK spoilers, Fuck people that see the movie and wanna sound cool so they reveal little snippets about the movie, FUCK people who still wanna compare the matrix to shit like KILL BILL .
I got my 11 tickets to see the 10:30 show at union square 14th Nov 5th.
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We have been fooled into believe that what filmmakers are supposed to do is give us what we really want, what we have shone that we want. This idea of things is perpetuated by an industry that conscious or subconsciously wants everybody to believe it can give everybody who matters what they really want by following a set of rules and guidelines. ------------------------- Movies have to be made a certain way to appeal to people, right? I don't think so. Look at the movies that have succeeded over the past year, and you will find a profile of films that do not necessarily have much to do with each other. From Finding Nemo to Kill Bill, from The Matrix Reloaded to Once Upon A Time In Mexico, the styles, genres and visuals of the films that succeed this year, and many other years are simply manifold. We aren't a simple people, and no matter what kind of hype you pour on, there is no nailing Americans down into one kind of movie, of any brow level whatsoever. --------------------- -------------------------------- But we have been taught to think that way. We've been taught to think that audiences are stupid. Or that there's no room for lowbrow stuff if we want to save the culture. We've been taught to think of the audience as one. But at the same time, we talk about them in terms of demographics. The reason you get talkbacks like this is that many people buy into what is essentially a schizophrenic, not to mention erroneous view of the American audience. Truth is, the audience is less rigid than it seems, less coherent. It encompasses a variety of people at different intelligence levels, and with different degrees of participation in the marketplace. The brow level might be important to some, either high or low, but for the most part, people generally care for being entertained before they care how refined or unrefined the movie is. They will not automatically pick a lowbrow movie over a highbrow one. As a matter of fact, to paraphrase one matrix character, there is no Brow! films don't have to fall neatly into those categories. No categories you slap on audiences or movies necessarily apply. They are approximations of real tendencies, but not the elementatry rules of the game that must be followed to make a successful film. ---------------------------- --------------------------------- In the end, we should try and ease up about our movies. They aren't that bad. Sometimes they are that good of course, but that's not our real problem. Our real problem is how uptight we are about any deviation from the norms of ready-made genres we are. We don't give ourselves enough room to explore the possibilities. I think film would be much better in America if we were willing to relax and just tell people a good story, and do whatever it takes to make that happen. We have to take the Red pill, ladies and gentle men and see how far the possibilities go.
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Even Peter Brady knows that.
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Either she the one or I'm caught in "The Matrix"
But fukkit, let the +Fish-burne+
Red or green pill, you live and you learn, c'mon!
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"I went to Oxford, so I'm in the top 2% of the world intellectually." I know this post was a while ago, but if this guy was serious, then dear God!
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I loved both films but one thing that has always bothered me is this:
In both films, but mostly the second, the "surface" and right under it are filled with Sentinels and machines. Basically, it is way too dangerous to go to the surface, and even to a "broadcast depth" under the surface.
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Any of you techno dipshits that say "those who didn't like Rebloated don't understand philosophy" should take your head, and your useless degree in philosophy, have them examined for empty content. Rebloated was no where near as clever as you are giving it credit for. It was simply longer bullet time fights stitched together with mindless blather disguised as "philosophy". Get a clue you half-chads, they took the simple and dressed it up so you would buy into the whole bullshit package and think you were in some sort of club for intellectuals. But they really hooked a live one with you "2%" didn't they? It's a Taco Bell cup movie for the coffee house crowd. Did I like it? Yeah, but I take it for what it is and nothing more.
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I don't understand people who say "I didn't liked Reloaded", "Episode II sucks" and shit like that. Reloaded i'ts just a movie. I liked, i had fun watching it. It was entertaining. You people want perfection? Make your own danm movie! Or maybe try to get a girlfriend, it helps with frustation problems. I'm The Geek, bring me comic book movies, science fiction, horror, comedy... I'll love them all.
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"The Matrix" is (still) one of my favorite (if not the top favorite) movies of all time. I tried to watch Reloaded on DVD last night. It just seemed to drag on forever. The f.cking Burly Brawl goes on f.cking forever. I finally ended up watching the thing of fast-forward -- "slow" fast-forward, where the sound is still on, so that the dialog was choppy and unintelligble. It was much more fun that way. I have low expectations for Revolutions.
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And as a first-time poster I have to say objectively and honestly that it was the worst film I saw all year. I'm sorry, it fails on every single level. I knew that the acting and the plot would be poor but I didn't expect the music, costumes, set design and (!?!)special effects to be horrible. Cynical, uncreative, poorly made. And I kinda liked the first one.
I can tell this is a sensitive subject here and I'm sure to be accused of being a fat out of work 30 year old who has never had sex, so believe what you will. But man, that movie shit the bed. I won't even be renting Revelations. -
Oct 22, 2003 5:25:25 PM CDT
Any talkbacker knows not to disappoint a first time poster so Cr
by lost skeleton
...you ARE a fat bloated virgin.
Revolutions...happily flaming a flaming idiot on November 5th!
Oh, keep on fighting back Sir Biatch!
Anybody who has read a book knows that "The Matrix" triology is not "made up" philosphy but very real subjects explored in a very fun universe!
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WATERWORLD WAS A KICK ASS MOVIE. ANY MOVIE THAT SHOWS PEOPLE DRINKING THEIR OWN PEE IS A MASTERPIECE.
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You all loved matrix and loved reloaded, or else you still wouldnt be talking about it right now
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Ok anyone who shits on a masterpiece like KILL BILL
Volume 1 in a Matrix talk back is one retarded jackass. And stop pissing on reloaded if it is someone elses sunshine bitches.
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first of all, there is no matrix within a matrix, the wachowski`s are too smart for that
secondly the xhaust site is a fake and its been proven fake time and time again
3rd, Reloaded is not the movie you were waiting for, you were waiting for matrix 2, divided into matrix reloaded and matrix revolutions, just think of it has matrix 1`s story with and matrix revolutions with matrix 1`s story and explanaition,
4th, if this was filmed same time it doesnt mean its like Lord of the Rings, LOTR books since it was written had 3 sections to it, Matrix 2(reloaded/revolutions) had 1 section to it. a trilogy, so you have to view the confusing points in reloaded as a point which is explained in revolutions.
5th, The zion tribal dance, although crappy for some people was made by the wachowski`s showing thier own vision of tribal security/insecurity of zion, they dont care if you like it or not, they care you understand it, thats why they never do interviews, because they dont need to justify themselves, they need you to use ur fcking mind.
6th, Although the fighting in the burly brawl looked fake, but there have been no movies before which showed realistic fighting between CGI bodies against each other with a real world background. CGI looks fake, no one denies it, not even the producers but making it look as real as possible was a feat, you can see they got close when neo hits the first smith with the pole he smirks as if the real keanu is smiling, thats classic CGI rendering.
7th, Golum looked more real than neo? Golum is a creature, I can say the sentinels look more real than Golum
8th, Pacing was critisized, Zion had to be explained by the brothers while matrix was already explained in a way to us in matrix 1, thus the pacing , you have to accept it, or else we could have just had the zion fight burly brawl, superbrawl in a 3 hour movie and that would suck because alot of the brothers vision of what matrix really is and how machines can survive with humans could not be explained in such a short movie
9th, philosophy, even though more confusing and wilder than the original matrix was there because it upheld what we knew from matrix 1, when we were confused what is the matrix, you have to accept you were more confused, matrix was explained, why is this coming back again in weirder ways? because it wasnt explained until revolutions.
10th and final point, many were dissapointed because they thought matrix reloaded would be the second coming of christ, well it is, in a movie format, many people overlook the fact that reloaded cannot be judged as a movie if you dont view revolutions, its just like saying, Tell a student what is algebra, then you give him a question which requires a formula, a student cannot do the question because he is confused, then the professor gives him he formula and explains it to him, all the brothers are doing is playing with our minds, they made us mad, what the hell is going on, but the answer will come, with a bang on November 5th -
I am going with like 20 friends, its a special night, but I told them.. ANY ONE OF YOU..BRING UP KILL BILL..AND COMPARE IT TO THE MATRIX AS A NEGATIVE, I COLLECT YOUR FUCKEN TICKET! thats the price you pay
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The third film in this fantastic feuilleton will be certainly the better one. I think this will be the first film of all time and surpasses easily Titanic. Some people over there did not like out the second film, Refilled. I think that these people were only too stupid to understand the film. THEY did not RECEIVE IT ONLY!
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Its being called: "The Matrix Trilogy". Spend some time with your families. Enjoy the movie. No matter what none of you will like the ending. Its all about Dreaming. You'll see.
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Where have all these theories come from? Did you see Empire Strikes Back? Why did Vadar not let Boba fett shoot at Chewbacca.
It was just written that way. But i've read the theories. You learn in Episode One that Anakin created C3-PO. Who was on Chewbaccas back. Back to the Matrix. Its not difficult. Neo dies. First 5 "ones" are Smith, Brown, Jones, and the Twins. All these Revelations back to the Bible, Plato, and other works are ridiculous. That would make the brothers unoriginal and rip-off artists. Pirates!!!!! fuck you!!!! -
There are no humans....
Agent Smith was too "the one"...
The candy is the secret......
Agents are failed ones....
Zion and 01 are the same.....
Neo was knocked out by his own EMP wave......
There is no beginning...
There is no end.
You all think too deep.
There is no matrix whithin matrix.
You will see, like i did....
You don't trust me ?
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Neo wakes up to find that Trinity has a penis and has been slipping him XTC and ass-fucking him, through three films. Morpheus has been digitaly filming this and uploading on Kazaa. Wow!!! The twins Double penetrate Niobi until she asimilates. Holy Shit!!!
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Oct 22, 2003 8:47:33 PM CDT
I can't take it anymore Us fat and lonely virgins should UNITE
by cranialleak
hello?...anyone?......
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The Matrix as a system humans voluntarily took on ourselves... voluntary mental slavery to the very beings we created as a means for survival in a world we've fucked too greatly for the both of us... sounds eerily parallel to the world we live in. Frankly, if the movie doesn't end that way, I'll probably like your ending better. Great little dissertation on post-Neitzchean philosophy by the way. --- To the talkbackers who have slanders us fans of the Matrix trilogy as being pretentious pseudo-intellectual yuppies, go find something better to do with your time. To those who "got it" but still don't like Reloaded, congratulations, you're of the smaller (and more intelligent) percentage who didn't like it. Taste, after all, does factor into everything (eg, the varying degree of repulsion one might have felt from the extended orgy dance and other problems with the movie). I'm just happy that there is a movie out there that gets people talking Hegel, Kant, Plato, and more. I'm happy we have ANY philosophy at all in our movies because it's typically a purely visceral medium. Maybe the philosophy isn't, ultimately, all that deep. My gut feeling here is that it beats the living crap out of most entertainment we get for trying. So hey, to-MAY-to, to-MAH-to, let's just fucking drop it. ;)
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Actually the plot is simple. The machines are creating a new master race. Thats why most Operators are black males, and you see so few white males. The white women are enslaved sex toys for the black males. Thier just pumping trinity full of cum.
Neo must die he will have no place Being the "Token White guy"
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i think alot of ppl might see things differently . This movie is all fan hype no studio in ur face the fans have hyped this. personally i think the second was good and was needed, its the middle point the second act...the story if you will with everything except the rave scene i thought it was a worthy successor...a lil bloated as some say but then when you see revolutions it may totaly chage the way in which you view reloaded. I think they knew what they were doing and saved the best for last
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I don;t like the fact they used the same music from the teaser repeatedly troughout this trailer. Wow so he can cut the clip to music with obvious key markers. i.e, (drum beat). There is no build up, The only part I liked is the beginning with Tom Cruise laughing in that guys face.
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Honestly, if you hate Matrix, move on to another movie. Talk about a movie you liked. Don't torture yourself. Talk how somebody else work is bad will not make a better person, it only make you look like no life loser. Just say "I didn't like. Not my tipe of film." and go on with you life.
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Sorry about the bad english on the last post. Here in Brazil we speak Portuguese and i wrote without reviewing...
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Oct 22, 2003 11:15:37 PM CDT
OK - looks like someone really saw it and tells the truth
by decypher_44
http://forums.matrixfans.net/showthread.php?s=c97e77166a25af2f4e2a657e786b1a8b&threadid=17068
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it's hard to know who to trust anymore... and one thing's for sure, the W brothers have really created something great. Whether you enjoy the movies or not, you have to admit that they have created something akin to Star Wars. There are now, and for a long time will be, legoins of fans who will follow this story.
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I think this will make up for the last one. Please...please...bring us back to the beauty of Matrix...
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I presume that Anthony Zerbe's speech about how the humans can't live without the machines, and the machines can't live without the humans, is supposed to prepare us for a compromise solution, instead of the destruction of the Matrix by Neo. Maybe people will only plug into the Matrix on odd-numbered days.
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During the conversation with the Architect Neo brings up thae fact that the machines need humans, so why would they destroy the race and the architect says they are willing to use other forms of energy. Humans were just the most abundant form but not the only.
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I was pondering something the other day and this is what I think is going to happen based on what i've seen so I don't know if i'm spoiling i might be i might not be so i apologize if i do if i don't good than i'm wrong. According to the review we're to feel for humanity in zion til the end when something happens, if this is true than it can only mean one thing and that is the matrix is a matrix inside a matrix. this would make sense you see since humanity has no world to go back to if you free everyone from the matrix where would they live? not on the surface since you know it's been fucking destroyed and certainly not in zion. Secondly where in the hell did humanity get all this technology for the real world to make zion and if it was such a threat why didn't the machines notice earlier. I fully believe that Neo is not the ultimate savior based on the architect's speech but needless to say it may just be another system of control who knows. As far as i'm concerned if the matrix inside the matrix idea is true than god will revolutions suck according to everyone here. let's face it people like happy endings. and if it aint happy it aint going to do well in box offices and i may be wrong but if i am i'm sorry once again. but there really seems no reason to free humanity from the matrix and besides didn't neo in the first one ensure humanities safety anyway while flying around in the matrix and said this is your world now. doesn't that seem to mean that he stopped the machines from controlling the matrix but inherently realized that there is no hope for humanity on the surface or in the "real" world since it sucks ass. I don't know. either way i'll see revolutions and oh yeah reloaded so much better than the first. just wanted to add some controversy anyway I hope you all have wonderful days and hopefully enjoy revolutions for the sake of the matrix brothers since i don't know how to spell there stupid last name nor do i care really who made the movie since the first one wasn't supposed to make all that much money anyway which is why a trilogy was not planned until after the fact. just some food for thought but they may be why so many thought revolutions was bad. and for those who complain about fx get real fx arent anything to complain about i could care less if it looks obvious just as long as it conveys what's going on. besides not many people care about the fx in king kong or godzilla and they're considered greats of course they also old but who cares fx do not ruin movie enjoyment if they do for you throw out every movie made before cg. and as for wire fu or whatever i like it it makes things more real while obviously not being real.
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Oct 23, 2003 3:46:40 AM CDT
I guess nobody cares how Cypher got in and out of the Matrix wit
by mosquito march
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Oct 23, 2003 4:16:57 AM CDT
Geez....all it's missing is freakin' Bruce Campbell. Seriously t
by truthseekr1488
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Oct 23, 2003 5:31:32 AM CDT
GHOST DOG: Way of the Samurai. That film got it right, it leaves
by silver_joo
Bring on the Revolutions.
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...first off, let me just say this is the largest discussion on a movie review I have ever seen. I mean GOD MAN!.. it just doesn't end. Back on subject... has anyone checked out the various
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I think we are to assume the Tank died as a result of his injuries in the first film (Links girlfriend was his sister and mentions losing bith brothers to the ship or something), the apparent reason for this was that the actor wanted a crap load of cash to be in the sequals and the Wachowskis/Silver told him to f*ck off and replaced him.
Regarding Cypher as he was in no danger I guess he found a way of picking an exit and setting a timer or something and was lucky enough not to get caught, who knows, its not that important is it?
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Apparently there was a big argument between the Operator and the films producers. I think he's the son of Tommy Chong, but I can't remember his name. I remember reading about it awhile back. Surely it was over money, but I don't remember the specifics. Link didn't totally annoy me, but I do mess the Neb's old crew. Also, someone posted earlier about Link's wife being kind of a useless character. Back when the part was recast, I remember reading something about the character having a major role in thr third film. Don't know if that still holds true though.
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...and she was to have played a big part in the film. Link's wife (Zee) is now played by Marvin Gaye's daughter, Norma Gaye. I do not know if her role was toned down- I hope not.
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I think it's important. Either the Wachoskis crafted an inconsistency in the seemingly urgent steps necessary to get in and out of the Matrix, or, somebody else on the Nebachudnezzar is a rat. Either way, it remains unexplained how that could have happened.
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i found little details like Agent Smith being ahead of Neo at every turn interesting, kinda like predicting his future or knowing his future (remember Neo asks him how Smith knew he would be there and Smith responds something like "finally, you are using your head"). i am guessing when they merged in the first movie, they absorbed each other's living code. and neo's code was that of the One, and his path was written by the Oracle/Architect. And so Smith tapped into the info and knows Neo's future (at least uptil the point that he chose the other door to save Trinity). after that i think Smith, Neo, Architect have no clue what will happen - a free for all (whereas teh second movie was about the role of prophecy). i am also guessing that Smith is also the One, because they share the code for it.
and i thought it was cool that Neo is the only human who can control machines, while Smith is the only machine that can control humans (like Bane in Zion).
and the new movie looks great, in one of the commercials i saw a supersonic collision between Neo and Smith.
and if you look at Reloaded, most of fight scenes within the Matrix look like CGI (ironic ain't it, we are complaining about how people within a "computer world" should look, and we are displeased that it looks computer generated). and the scenes outside the Matrix, look very real from Zion to the Machines burrowing and attacking.
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Now that everybody has thrown in their whole wallets on what they think the movie is about, how about going the extra mile and describe how this relates to OUR reality. What choices do WE have? Is causality (like time and freedom) a human perception, and thus ultimately an illusion? And what is Bush doing up in the screens of the Architects room? After all, THAT is what the WB's are trying to get us to think about. Many of you people watch way too many movies, distracting you and impeding you from extrapolating the ideas that were influenced by our day-to-day interactions and history of ideas up to now (philosophy, religion, racism, hieararchical systems of control... etc.).
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Oct 23, 2003 7:44:51 PM CDT
Someone give me a machete so I can cut through all these PLANTS!
by mister pink
They all use the exact same formula. "I loved the first one and hated the second one...blah, blah, blah..." The second one is the most transparent. "A sci-fi lover's wet dream..." Who the fuck says "sci-fi" any more? That sounds like it came right of the back of the fucking DVD box. I call bullshit on all of these "reviews" but that second one is outright insulting. We're not fucking stupid Mr. Studio Shill (or is it Miss?) We can tell a fucking pimp when we see one.
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Oct 23, 2003 7:52:20 PM CDT
IN THE END, NEO WILL WAKE UP FROM A COMMA AND THE NURSE NEXT TO
by super cucaracha
and the dumb motherfucker takes both of them and falls back to sleep and sees Agent Smith and Morpheus fucking the shit out of Trinity. When they finally cum, you can see the cum shots with bullet time splashing on Trinity's face and tits giving her a CGI pearl necklace and Neo will say: WHOA! she is THE ONE...........The End
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I am hearing a lot of spoilers in this thread I wish I had never heard, especially if any turn out to be legit. I swear to God (not that anyone would care, but that is fine) that this is my last visit here to AICN if the asshole quotient has reached such a critical mass and a thread like this can't be moderated better/idiots banned quicker against this kind of conduct. I SWEAR I have had enough if I have inadvertently read the ending to the movie on this thread. Supposedly we come here to rationally discuss movies, not to be pricks. I guess I was wrong about that.... especially with all the spiteful crap that has increased exponentially in these threads in recent months.
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Oct 23, 2003 9:14:44 PM CDT
This is going to be one of the greatest "I knew it"'s of all tim
by michel delving
There is so much in the Matrix Reloaded that we didn't all see, we're going to be kicking our selves and having so much fun figuring out all the clues for years. I see it. I hope you'll believe me. The makers of this movie are beyond genious when it comes to clues. And they know that and it hurts to know that they know that considering how hard we trashed the 2nd movie, but it was all there for the knowing. To them I tip my hat. So much there. So much to interpret. THAT'S WHAT MAKES A GREAT MOVIE. (think Blade Runner) - no lie.
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Think computers. 1 Mainframe controling everything (it has all the data) - the source. Below that are what? What's on your computer? An Operating System, under which all your software lives. Anything that exists under the mainframe must ultimately be controled by the mainframe. Who lives under the mainframe? the matrix and zion.
I didn't pick this up myself. http://shatta.5u.com/reloaded_explained.htm All credit to the URL before me. -
a clue... but just a clue.
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Reeves did give $30 mil to the below the line crew, but it was a signing bonus. His paycheck for the actual two films was upwards to $40. At least, that's the story I heard. I don't think Reeves is rich enough to give an entire hefty payday away, esp. since both movies would basically take him off the market for a year.
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whoever saw the movie already give us a rundown of what goes down in the movie. I want to be spoiled rotten. No more BS fanboy sciptments and hallucanations,just the white meat baby.
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... can you hear me now? Good. Predictable and lame jokes aside, why on earth would you or anybody want to know every little detail about a film before you even see it? I think this is the main reason why alot of people were disappointed with Reloaded (i.e. all the trailers, all the new story leaks, and all the hype that ruined the movie experience). Remember the first time you saw the scene in Reloaded where the agent jumps on the carhood (Superbowl '03)? Or how bout the first time you saw 100 Smiths explode from a dogpile in glorious bullet-time (final trailer)? Now think back to May 15 while you were sitting in the theater next to your huge breasted date that gave me the blue balls that night... what I'm trying to say is, when the movie finally came out, there weren't that many surprises. The "wow" factor was gone and you saw those scenes coming. The only thing I didn't expect was the truck collision... but even that was ruined in a way; thanks Link (YEEEESSS!!! "gay audience laughs"). All and all, Reloaded was a good movie.. I just wish I hadn't of spoiled it for myself due to SPOILERS. Don't get me wrong, some spoilers are okay and downright satisfying.. just not the really major ones. Boy this movie can't come soon enough. PS - Thanks to the people that cleared up my mystery about the first operator. I really liked that guy. Now.. can someone tell me what's up with Hulk Hogan and this site? "It ends tonight, brother!" LMAO! What the... ?
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Whatever happened to the good old days where action movies were actually ACTION movies? Back in the old days (which some may refer to as "The '80s") we had real stars with real talent. None of this fake, computer generated-for-the-sake-of-computer generation garbage. We had Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, and Yuen Biao combining pure physical ability with inspired, innovative choreography to make amazing action sequences. We had dedicated stuntmen putting their lives on the line in incredible stunts. All you young whippersnappers can have your 20 minute long freeway chase scenes. While there have been incredible technological advancements, today's American action films have actually degenerated into mindless drivel like Reloaded. For shame.
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