T4 to star The Rock'
Hey folks, Harry here... Personally, without Linda Hamilton, Arnold or James Cameron involved... I think it's time to walk away from The Terminator series. I'm sure The Rock would do a great job, but I'd much rather see him create his own Action Icon characters, than piggyback on Arnie's leftovers. MEANWHILE, I'm quite excited about INSTANT KARMA, I read about this a long time ago when it was in development at Digital Domain, and just the idea of a bad man having to go through the reincarnation process, attempt to self-sacrifice his way up the evolutionary ladder in order to prevent something from happening... Well, it could be funny as hell. Here ya go...
Dave Meltzer in the October 20 issue of the "Wrestling Observer Newsletter" reports that there have apparently been meetings with The Rock to do Terminator 4 for a summer 2005 release. The word is that when Arnold was asked he suggested Rock.
Meltzer also reports that Rock is going to star in "Instant Karma" with Pierce Brosnan, Mira Sorvino, Gene Wilder, Burt Reynolds and Dom DeLuise. Rock will play a human who dies and is reincarnated as an animal. This is a live action animation split.
All of this might be old news since it came from a wrestling publication, but I thought I'd pass it on anyhow.
Call me Ascoyne D'Ascoyne
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Oct. 20, 2003, 12:48 a.m. CST
i hate my life
Oct. 20, 2003, 12:48 a.m. CST
by The Guy Who Nods
Sheesh, next thing you know, The Rock will be sleeping with Maria Shriver.
Oct. 20, 2003, 12:52 a.m. CST
I will never regard that shitpile T3 as part of the Terminator storyline, as far as im concerned it ended with T2. Just like the Alien storyline ended with Aliens. T3 can rot in the cinematic dungheap for all i care - one of the biggest disappointments of the year - a movie devoid of any deep coherent meaning, poorly directed action scenes, continuity errors, a bad storyline, and just plain bad directing. News of the Rock joining up just makes me laugh at how pathetic Terminator is getting. Apparently that hack Mostow wants out, and Paul W S Anderson will take over! BAHAHAHAHA!
Oct. 20, 2003, 12:56 a.m. CST
Hollywood is completely lacking in viable "Arnold-esque" action stars. Vin Diesal was dubbed the heir apparent but its pretty obvious he's not going to have the staying power. Rocky Johnson is Arnold's appointed successor so it only makes sense he's seeing alot of scripts. In fact, when questioned about returning to wrestling, the Rock has basically said he's not coming back, implying that he's looking at alot of work down the road. He's the perfect action star simply b/c he's charismatic and lucid. Unlike Arnold or Van Damm or Stallone, the dude can turn a phrase- I'm still not sure if he can actually "act" but his work in the Rundown shows alot of promise. There's a BIG niche to fill in HOllywood and the Rock is the top contender for that title. Though does anybody else think he needs to get rid of the name "the Rock" ? Its kinda ridiculous, if you ask me. Dwayne Johnson or Rock Johnson or something along those lines would work better then "The Rock" for a movie star.
Oct. 20, 2003, 1:14 a.m. CST
by Sith Lord Sauron
The Rock kicks ass, regardless of what all you playa hatas say. T3? It was no T2 but STILL GOOD, WAY fuckin' better then it had a right to be. So bring on the T4 and the robot wars!!
Oct. 20, 2003, 1:22 a.m. CST
Oct. 20, 2003, 1:22 a.m. CST
t3 was fine, not great, but entertaining. i'm not into hating everything, i'd rather enjoy myself now and then. i hope the rock makes good career choices. i eat cotton candy, wear estee lauder, and my kia sorrento is pink.
Oct. 20, 2003, 1:22 a.m. CST
Yeah this is just a bad plan. Why would Dewey want to go nibbling on Arnie's scraps anyway?! Its just not worth it anymore. As for the horrible spin-off series... Yeah, they pretty much stick the vertical slab in the ground for you. Remember Lonesome Dove? ............. Anyone?
Oct. 20, 2003, 3:20 a.m. CST
You are the most cynical fucker around. Anything without bullet time and new age psychobabble is crap to you. Other then the fucking "Hands down Greatest cinematic masterpiece ever made since the invention of film all other films bow down before it Matrix", what movies are good to you?
Oct. 20, 2003, 3:22 a.m. CST
you are all wrong! The decision has already been made, and yes The Rock had something to do with it, but not what you think! I got the ld on the dl from the am this pm: "Recent meetings between a certain Arnold S and cretain George WB have indicated that Arnold feels with all his pig-valved heart that his good buddy, party mate, and 'all round Jingah all de Vay fella' George (no H for me, thanks) W Bush. In the newly revamped and grossly overwritten screenplay the two friends will be portrayed by osama and saddam, once in Westworld crazy wannabe texan artificial intelligence tries but fails to assassinate them even though he boasts technologically advanced weapons. Meanwhile all his bullets cost Westworld quadrillions. The Bush as he has re-christened himself (he says in homage to one time acting competition and "fellow world leader' Dwayne Johnson, 'king of Wrestlemania. wait, ain't Wrestlemania where they got them vampires?') stated in a recent news conference that he plans to bring back 'compassionism' to his role of inept killing machine. He also hopes to bring back 'that kick ass score.'" da dum dum ta dum
Oct. 20, 2003, 3:37 a.m. CST
Michael Clarke Duncan...
Oct. 20, 2003, 4:04 a.m. CST
The Rock must be busy these days - I read on IMDB that he was starring with Travolta in Get Shorty 2 as a gay bodyguard. Any word on this movie? Are they using Elmore Leonard's followup book or writing a new story? Hackman, Devito, or Russo going to be in it?
Oct. 20, 2003, 4:38 a.m. CST
Those three in a movie together. Ahh, the early 80s, how I miss them...
Oct. 20, 2003, 5:05 a.m. CST
T3 was a crime against humanity.
Oct. 20, 2003, 5:17 a.m. CST
Naked Rock, yes!! I can't wait!
Oct. 20, 2003, 5:29 a.m. CST
I thought they were almost gonna do it, but they didn't: John Connor, attempting to shut down Skynet at the end of T3, instead causes Skynet to feel threatened and therefore launch the nukes that end the world. In essence, John Connor, ol J.C. himself, becomes the destructor and eventual savior of the human race! Connor: "I'm the cause of the war of the machines!" fade to black...
Oct. 20, 2003, 6:56 a.m. CST
by Shanghai Nicky
Oct. 20, 2003, 7:22 a.m. CST
"Well I'm all in, put it up on the board, Another rapper shot down from the mouth that roared 1-2-3 down for the count, The result of my lyrics, oh yes, no doubt, Cause I can can go solo, like a Sugar Ray bolo, Make the fly girls wanna have my photo Run in their room, hang it on the wall, In remembrance that I rocked them all, Suckers, ducks, ho-hum emcees, You can't rock the kid, so go cut some cheese, Take this application of rhymes like these, My rap's red hot, 110 degrees, So don't start bassin' cause I'll start placin' Bets on that you'll be disgracing You and you mind from a beatin' from my rhymes, A time, a crime that I can't find, I'll show you my gun, my Uzi weighs a ton Because I'm Public Enemy number one, You got no rap, but you want a battle, It's like havin' a boat, but you got no paddle, Cause I never pause, I say it because, I don't break in stores, but I break all laws, Written while sittin', all fittin' not bitten, Givin' me the juice that your not gettin' I'm not a law obeyer, so you can tell your mayor, I'm a non-stop, rhythm rock poetry sayer, I'm the rhyme player, the the ozone layer, A battle what? Here's a bible so start your prayer, A word to the wise is justified If they ask you what happened, just admit you lied, You just got caught a, for going out of order, And now you're servin' football teams their water, You just got dissed, all but dismissed, Sucker duck emcees, you get me pissed, It's no fun, being on the run, Cause they got me, Public Enemy number one, For all you suckers, liars, your cheap amplifiers, You crossed up wires are always starting fires, For you grown up criers, now here's a pair of pliers, Get a job like your mother, I heard she fixes old dryers, You have no desires, your father fixes tires, You try to sell ya equipment, but you get no buyers, It's you they never hire, you're never on flyers, Cause you and your crew, is only known as good triers, Known as the poetic lyrical son, I'm Public Enemy number one, brother"
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:08 a.m. CST
forget t4 man,
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:17 a.m. CST
What a crock T3 was... too much self parody... no (very little) new ground. Dorky lead actor. Basically just a hyped up remake of T2... But there was some nudity, so hundreds of millions well spent, thanks.
Oct. 20, 2003, 9:04 a.m. CST
by Boba Feet
Anyone who spends the time to type out a whole paragrpah of ryhme lifted from a crappy P. Diddy song should get an icepick in the ear.
Oct. 20, 2003, 9:10 a.m. CST
I read in an article in a newspaper that he may not do any of the other films he was slated to do, but he is dying to do Crusade and he said he would work his damndest to make the film sometime soon. I forget what paper it was in but that is what I heard.
Oct. 20, 2003, 9:20 a.m. CST
I guess people just wanted to like it so bad, they talked themselves into thinking it was good? Where are they now?
Oct. 20, 2003, 9:31 a.m. CST
by Shanghai Nicky
...on the fucking head. How desperately we wanted T3 to be good! Some of the positive reviews were almost pleading: "It's not nearly as bad as we feared... It's enjoyable if you're in the right frame of mind... If THE TERMINATOR was the entree and T2 the main course, T3 makes a sweet dessert." MY GODDAM GRANDMOTHER!!!! Hey, I'm as guilty as everyone else: I went to see T3 and walked out at the end trying to convince myself I'd seen a worthy sequel to Cameron's two masterpieces. The second time I saw T3 it almost made me sick. The lame running story about "Mike Cribky's basement" (like, how much do we not give a fuck?). That butt-ugly guy whose name escapes me who can't act but whom they hired to play John Connor. The stupid humour (the male strippers and Arnie putting on Elton John shades). The TOTAL lack of any suspense. The boring final demise of the Terminatrix. The total lack of any "wow" factor. Crap! Crap! Crap-ooooola!
Oct. 20, 2003, 9:35 a.m. CST
by Shanghai Nicky
I got your handle wrong. Anyhow... AND DON'T GET ME STARTED on the pisspoor rape-by-so-called-comic-relief of what could have been a decent action scene at the cemetry that was Earl Boen's appalling, unfunny, USELESS cameo!
Oct. 20, 2003, 10:10 a.m. CST
by Sith Witch
Oct. 20, 2003, 10:11 a.m. CST
by Lost Skeleton
Revolutions...the producers and creators retaining the rights so no one can ruin their franchise with shitty sequels on November 5th! (I hope)
Oct. 20, 2003, 10:18 a.m. CST
You nailed it dude. shanghi... what was worse, erasor or t3? Arny for an actor, you make a great governer... this may be the end of woes, when fiery armageddon comes down with a new anti-christ... oh woe... sackcloth and ashes... dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!!!
Oct. 20, 2003, 10:25 a.m. CST
by Shanghai Nicky
You're entitled to your opinion, but I want to read more about it. What are the reasons why T3 is the best of the bunch? I'm not out to trash your ideas, and besides, I've pretty much said my piece on T3 (well, one more jab: Arnie really did look as old as the hills). As for whether Eraser is worse than T3 or vice-versa, I'd say Eraser is better, for being a lot less pretentious than T3.
Oct. 20, 2003, 10:37 a.m. CST
and Jack left town (ok ok enough Ash lines0. Pretentious is the word. unoriginality is another, peacock feathers are more words, but I digress. T3 was a forced try-hard, I tried to like, I usually defend the money i waste on some movie tickets, but it wasnt there, it was a no show. It didnt take us to were we wanted to go. Plotholes the size of Marvins planet sized brain. nuff said... never said nuff said b4, very american thing to say and enen they dont say in much anymore. hello, my name is Dory...
Oct. 20, 2003, 11:44 a.m. CST
Tarantino even liked it. I read an interview the other day where he mentioned that he thought it was a great film...sadly, can't find it now. There are some really slick action sequences in this movie along with some intriguing plots twists. The Terminator series was never really about plot anyway, so I'm not sure that it's a relevant argument to say that T3 disrupts the storyline too much.
Oct. 20, 2003, 11:45 a.m. CST
Don't believe him. Flat out, this guy makes shit up. He is one of the reasons that the internet wrestling media is treated as more of a joke than the internet entertainment media. I repeat, Metzler makes shit up. Don't go on his word alone, he tends to make stuff up and print total innacuracies, so that he can point and say "look, i was right!" later.
Oct. 20, 2003, 12:12 p.m. CST
"Your terminated, brother!"
Oct. 20, 2003, 3:47 p.m. CST
First off, THE ROCK should start his own franchise and let T4 be the last TERMINATOR film with Nick Stahl as the star. Have unknown guys play evil Terminators but have Nick be the star since Arnie is gone. T4 should end the franchise for good. Unless Kassar & Vajna want to be HATED by fans and CAMERON himself (though he already hates their greedy liitle guts). Ok, this is what Arnie should do now that he is gone for at least 4 years. When 2006 comes, he should make a BIG comeback to films with either JAMES CAMERON or ROBERT RODRIGUEZ! Rodriguez already states that he would LOVE to direct Arnie in an action film with depth. And we all know we want to see CAMERON do another action packed extravaganza with the oak. Now that KING CONAN will go the way of Jokes-ville without Arnie, these are his best bets for a HUGE comeback. Either that or make CRUSADE!
Oct. 20, 2003, 3:53 p.m. CST
by Dark Shawl
Wasn't there a "passing of the torch" scene between Arnie and the Rock in one of the opening scenes of "The Rundown"?
Oct. 20, 2003, 3:53 p.m. CST
it nearly ruined getting fellatio for me.
Oct. 20, 2003, 4:03 p.m. CST
Yes, there were problems, but you know you're gonna watch them every time they come on TBS and HBO. LOL It's just like "Beastmaster" back in the 80's. It came on HBO all of the time. After all, that's their acronym: H - Hey B - Beastmaster's O - On
Oct. 20, 2003, 4:29 p.m. CST
this would be the perfect opportunity to make the Terminator series be no longer about a Terminator going back in time. It could be all about John leading the Revolution in the future. It would be so hardcore. No more of this back in time shit, just show the revolution going down and how they beat the machines.
Oct. 20, 2003, 5:07 p.m. CST
by Barney Gumble
T4 huh? The Rock huh? well shit...maybe armageddon really is coming...time to bolt down all your valuables folks...get your dogs and cats and kids and racoons all up inside yer trailer cus the storm's acomin'!
Oct. 20, 2003, 5:28 p.m. CST
...since it SHOULD now be set primarily in the future, the aftermath of Judgment Day and the apocalypse, as the humans begin to fight back. They could even make it a pseudo-epic and set it over the course of a few years, climaxing with the humans turning the tide, breaking into the Skynet facility and discovering the recently-used, Machine-built time-travel machine, then sending Reese or Arnold (in a cameo) back after them. But really, in almost all the post-apocalyptic scenes so far (with the exception of Reese's brief flashback in T1), the Terminators we see in battle are simply their endoskeletons, no flesh. And why should it be otherwise? The main reason the Terminators needed to look human was when they were being sent back into the past, so they'd blend in. So realistically, the Terminators in the 4th film would still be in the prototype stages, and would primarily be the metal endoskeletons (though I guess it could a nice opportunity to show some twisted CGI/makeup effects if they briefly showed the inferior T600-series with the rubber skin that Reese mentioned), and then to show a brief cameo appearance by a CGI-ed wrinkle-free Arnold (and maybe the T1000 and TX) on the Skynet assembly line when the Resistance busts in at the end. That, or maybe have a cameo of him in the end, killing John Connor as was mentioned he would do in the 3rd film. But if the producers somehow feel that they NEED to show a reprogrammed Terminator or group of Terminators working for the humans (which would be a nice opportunity to see the machines battling each other), it might be even cooler if they were in their purely robot mode. I mean christ, they're supposed to be robots, robots do not get older (and Arnold sure ain't getting any younger). Think about it, it would work. I am a fucking genius...
Oct. 20, 2003, 6:19 p.m. CST
I am so feckin sick of all you bastards that call every sequel shit and keep praising the last one. I bet u r the same assholes that panned T2 when it came out. If you were born then that is. Every new film is shit. More of what is good is always bad. Blah blah....
Oct. 20, 2003, 7:28 p.m. CST
This movie has the shades of Jaws, the Revenge and Batman and Robin all over it. The Rock has enormous potential as an action star. A movie like this would destroy his action star career.
Oct. 20, 2003, 7:32 p.m. CST
by super Cucaracha
but I agree with the person who said that he should drop his name and just have Dwayne Johnson on his movie credits. The Rundown was good so The Rock still has potential.
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:06 p.m. CST
"I'm too old for this shit, brother."
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:06 p.m. CST
Rocky VI starring Brock Lester, English Patient 2 starring Jimmy 'Superfly' Snooka, and a remake of Lassie with Hulk Hogan as Timmy or whatever the fuck the kid's name is and George 'the animal' Steele as Lassie. Special appearance by Nikolai Volkoff and the reanimated corpse of The Iron Sheik as the neighbors. Christ - please tell me this is a trick and not a treat.
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:30 p.m. CST
WTF this is pure fantasy come on does anyone (apart from The Rock's agent) really believe C2 would put a NO-ONE into a big budget sci-fi event movie. Kassar & Vajna MUST have learnt something from their loss makers like I-Spy, Judge Dredd, Showgirls, Cutthroat Island, Universal Soldier. Surely? The best news for T4 is no Arnold as that $30M salary buys a lot of Future War scenes/cool FX.
Oct. 20, 2003, 9:56 p.m. CST
by darth kubrick
This like the Jack Ryan series being handed off to a light weight like Affleck. Unfortunately dorks like Cameron sign away the rights to their creations to the producers with dollar signs in their eyes. This happened with Hannibal, too. Money changes everyrhing.
Oct. 20, 2003, 10:24 p.m. CST
And I'm all about seeing "T4." Perhaps we can have a surprise cameo by Arnie at the end as the human creator of the cyborgs?
Oct. 20, 2003, 10:44 p.m. CST
Just like Vin Diesel was in T3. Anyway, I don't think T3 was necessarily god-awful, but I certainly found it disappointing; way too many nostalgia and pop-culture jokes, ineffective villain, poor acting, lackluster cinematography, and a predictable ending are some of the flaws that make me want to forget T3. I'm a fan of Arnold, but I still think it would have been cooler to see the T-1000 model sent back to protect Connor from the TX in T3. If they must proceed with making this movie, the best course of action would be to set it during the war against the machines.
Oct. 20, 2003, 11:41 p.m. CST
by I Hate Movies
If Arnie ain't gonna be in it, don't make it. Make "Terminator: The New Batch" or something like that, have it be an animated Saturday morning series where the T-800 solves crimes with the aid of John Connor and a psychic monkey.
Oct. 20, 2003, 11:47 p.m. CST
"I'll be back! Wokka wokka wokka!" Co-starring Swedish Chef as John Connor. "Get the fuck off me, you fucking machine, bork bork bork!" www.rockithardcore.com
Oct. 20, 2003, 11:48 p.m. CST
T3 is a cool film that comes close to being more than that at times. THE BAD - seeing a Terminator flick that began with "a film by Johnathan Mostow" and not "a film by James Cameron" at the beginning was just wrong. Also, it was one of the most boring Terminator title sequence ever. White titles on black. Ick. - Too jokey. The Terminator flicks have always had a subtle element of humor to them. But, dammit, it was subtle and maybe a total of three jokes in the whole flick. T3 had a joke every five minutes and most of them fell flat. - Arnold was trying desperately to get a catchphrase in this movie. But
Oct. 20, 2003, 11:50 p.m. CST
You don't need actors for it now, after the end of T3. It should be all skullfucking EXOSKELLETONS and LIQUID METAL MEN and TX SKELETONS, and so forth. You don't need a star, this should be the hardcore sci-fi war movie. That's what T3 was leading towards. All you need is John Connor and a bunch of rebels. THAT'S IT.
Oct. 21, 2003, 12:42 a.m. CST
Gee, Phasmatrope, you should write the script for T4! You have it all planned out, doncha? And Tallboy (or dresser), you took the words right out of my mouth. I thought T3 was okay, not as good as I liked the first and second. But it was basically the "end" of the story, and I was happy with it. Saw it twice even. As for the Rock doing T4: well, if they're gonna make it, he might as well be the one to do it. But I would like to see him create his own character as well. And since Arnie did hand him the reins in the Rundown...
Oct. 21, 2003, 4:40 a.m. CST
We keep seeing brief shots of the future war. If they're going to make a T4 have it take place in the future and finish it up w/ a good ending. You dont need Arnold or the Rock
Oct. 21, 2003, 8:41 a.m. CST
How about Stephen Hawking as the terminator in T4? He could travel back in time and his wheelchair could come armed with a variety of nasty weapons. It would be great! He could use his voice synthasiser to mimic different voices and when they blow him away at the end, the wheelchair could take on a life of its own. Imagine the catchphrase "A brief history of time - you are all going to die zzzzz". I'm gonna start writing the script right now!
Oct. 21, 2003, 5:59 p.m. CST
I agree with Tall_Boy on most points. I thought it was extremely well-directed and well-editied; the truck chase scene was I think the most violent and exciting car chase scene I have ever seen in a movie. But I thought the storyline could have been slightly better. One talkbacker mentioned John Conner starting Judgment Day by trying to shut Skynet down, and Skynet trying to defend itself by starting the nuclear war. That would have been great; and it would have been in line with the other two Terminators; Skynet causing itself by sending a Terminator back, and John Connor causing himself by sending Reese back who then conceives him. I also think that "judgment day was only postponed" could have been dealt with better, as it doesn't make much sense. Perhaps part 4 could develop it further, for instance, by telling us that in the future that Reese and the other terminators came from, judgement day never happened in 1997 but later, and there was some reason why they either lied or were misfed information. _______ Anyway, to be on topic, I don't think the Rock standing in for Arnold is a good idea AT ALL. Couldn't they just get Arnold for a cameo, when killing John Connor?
Oct. 21, 2003, 8:25 p.m. CST
... then I would prefer that it take place in the future that we have been shown in the prior films. Also, you wouldn't really need Arnold or any human actor to play the terminator(s) because they can simply be the endo-skeletons before Skynet developed the 'artificial skin'. In fact, a good ending would be to have the creation of Arnold's terminator (from the original film) and show us how it was sent back. Now, if they really want to blow my mind, they can have a surprise ending where it was really the resistence (John's future self) sending back the terminator to kill himself (for having inadvertantly caused the war) and Skynet sening back Reese (a traitorous human) and the T-800s to ensure John's birth and existence. Of course, the lousy third film would make that twist impossible.
Oct. 22, 2003, 7:20 a.m. CST
About Robocop 2... it wasn't as bad as Robocop 3. So, I would say Robocop was a great movie, Robocop 2 was a good movie, and Robocop 3 sucked ass. As for T3... I liked it, it was a 'good' movie. T2 was great, as was the first Terminator. T4 will suck ass without Arnold. A new Conan would suck without Arnold. Seriously, I'm regretting any support I ever had for Arnie's governatorship...
Oct. 22, 2003, 12:53 p.m. CST
I liked that 60's Cheyenne Mountain set.
Oct. 22, 2003, 1:24 p.m. CST
by General Idea
Oct. 22, 2003, 6:35 p.m. CST
Furthermore, Lapser 4 introducing The Astound would, in my notion, be exceedingly pleasurable, given that it transpire pronounced to the ethics of quantity 3. If it come to pass during the apocryphal day of reckoning, as a confrontation motion picture, it possibly will be the superlative movie of the cycle.
Oct. 23, 2003, 6:17 a.m. CST
next up they'll have james vanderbeek ?......and steve buscemi as BADTUHMUNADUH for T5? hmmm rock's not a bad choice so long as arnie is there to blow john connor's head off in the end......gosh we'd lurve to see that MAN PERSONALLY THOSE FUKIN ELTON JOHN SHADES DIDNT cut it t3 was substandard i walked away thinking WELL FUCK ME DID I WAIT 12 YEARS FOR ARNY TO STAR IN this stupid sequel? Man I'm lucky i saw it for free and didnt pay a cent of the $427 million t3 has made...
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