Review by Alexandra DuPont
"Harrison Ford ... created [in Indiana Jones] a memorable American film character on a sort of Bogart level, something that really found its way into the cultural fabric."
— Composer John Williams, putting it rather nicely
during his liner-notes interview for the Raiders
of the Lost Ark soundtrack CD
THE INDIANA JONES DVD FAQ
This DVD set will be on the street Tuesday, Oct. 21. Some opening disclaimers and warnings:
1. Yr. hmbl. reviewer refuses herein to refer to any Lucasfilm production by its "revised" title. Yes, I understand that Raiders of the Lost Ark was re-titled to keep all the Indiana Jones films next to each other on the video shelf. Nevertheless — at no point in the following review will you see the titles Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones and the Palace that Leads to the Temple of Doom or Indiana Jones and His Dad and the Last Crusade. (For that matter, any future reviews written by this author will not use such revised Lucasfilm titles as Luke Skywalker and the Return of the Jedi, A Man Called THX-1138, Tucker: The Man and His Dream about a Car, or Howard: The Duck that Talks.)
2. The author will attempt herein to mount a spirited defense of Temple of Doom. Feel free to gloss over.
3. Skip way, way down this review if all you want to read about are the DVD extras, or lack thereof. (The author totally dishes on all the cool stuff they left out.)
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So how the hell do you approach writing about a movie series like this?Usually with some sort of anecdote about how special the film is to you personally, or how it's entered the cultural fabric, or some other piece of puffed-up boilerplate. I will share this one anecdote:
A couple of years ago, a movie theatre near the DVD Journal offices was closing, and the usher and managers there got to pick one movie to screen for the theater's final weekend of business. They chose Raiders of the Lost Ark. And I have to say — despite the ravages of time that made the print look like a black-and-white traffic-safety film; despite the movie's many imitators, who've accelerated the original formula so much that Raiders seems almost leisurely paced today; and despite knowing every single line, shot, and action sequence backwards and forwards — the audience gobbled the flick up. Armrests were gripped. Still.
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That's nice. Tell me about the DVD set, slattern!
Well, there's good news and not-so-good news on that front. The good news — and it's really, really good news — is that these movies look and sound incredible, and this from someone who usually doesn't even care all that much about restorations or "flutter" or "artifacting" or any of that tech-wank stuff. The sound's been remixed in Dolby 5.1, the picture's been meticulously restored and brightened. Only a jackass would complain — even though the groovy new mix actually makes the opening scenes of Raiders sound a little different than they used to, and the scenes in Marion's bar don't have that reddish-orange glowing warmth you remember them having on VHS. But still.
As for the bad news: Even though there's a whole fourth disc devoted to extras, a lot of movie geeks are going to have a serious beef with the lack of definitive supplements — commentary tracks, deleted scenes, storyboards, abandoned concepts, juicy set lore, stuff like that. I get into some of the stuff I missed below. Feel free to pile on. Oh and the fuzzy animated menus try to evoke Drew Struzan's Indiana Jones poster art; instead, they induce glaucoma.
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Dear God, assuage my fears — they didn't do any "Special Edition" work on these classics, did they?
Um, actually, yes they did. You remember how there was a reflection of a snake in the safety Plexiglas in Raiders of the Lost Ark — you know, during the Well of Souls sequence? Yeah. After scrutinizing that scene on DVD, I'm 99-percent sure they digitally erased that. The outraged should hang onto their laserdiscs. I think everything else is unmolested — including the horrible blue-screen work on Last Crusade that makes the biplane/zeppelin sequence look like something out of a Disney Sunday Movie.
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So let's read some boilerplate praise of Raiders, shall we?
Sure. Raiders of the Lost Ark is so ingrained in the cultural fabric by now that there's really nothing to write about it that hasn't been said a million times before, by people with far larger salaries and/or vocabularies than mine. Yes, the movie was the second half of a one-two punch that turned Hollywood movies into subtext-light thrill rides. (Does I even need to write that the first punch was Star Wars?) Yes, George Lucas dreamed up the ultimate adventure hero — a two-fisted archaeologist who hunts for supernatural artifacts. Yes, Mssrs. Spielberg and Lucas crafted a perfect collection of set pieces, with nary an editing or camera-placement misstep. Yes, the music is note-perfect and sticks pleasantly in one's mental craw. (That said, if I have to hear Williams' Indiana Jones theme on an endless DVD-menu loop one more time, I swear to God I'm going to adopt a child, name it "Raiders March DuPont," and beat it with a stick.) And yes, the Lucas/Kaufman/Kasdan story — an adventure movie that's all good parts — is so obviously correct that it seems as if Our Lord had already written it and they simply dug it up, dusted it off and started filming.
I'd argue that Raiders cemented the blockbuster obsession that Star Wars kicked off — and it cemented that obsession for the whole family, because you didn't run the risk of being labeled a sci-fi geek if you thought Indiana Jones was cool. Good Lord — it's a formula so compelling that teenagers have even spent years of their lives re-creating it shot for shot .
Also, unlike many of the fantasy/action blockbusters before and since, this series is driven by a single, well-sketched character: It's Harrison Ford's hot blood that gives Raiders its heartbeat. Few actors have ever interlocked with a part more solidly that Ford did with Indiana Jones. (In the two decades and change since Raiders was released, I can only think of a few actors who've taken the reins of their genre roles with as much assurance: maybe C. Reeve as Superman, R. Crowe as Maximus, V. Mortensen as Aragorn, H. Jackman as Wolverine and, well, Harrison Ford as Han Solo. It's a wee little fantasy pinnacle.) Ford's larger-than-life mannerisms — the pointing Finger of Doom, the Smirk, the Look of Horror — were perfect for a guy walking around in a fedora, carrying a whip and punching Nazis. No actor has ever taken an onscreen beating better, and no one's ever shifted as effortlessly between tweediness and scruffiness.
It was Ford, I'd argue, who kept us coming back for two flawed sequels (though I have a perverse soft spot for Temple of Doom; more on that in a sec) — sequels marred by both an increasing silliness and soggy heroines who never matched the chemistry created by Karen Allen as Marion Ravenwood. When sexy, scrappy Marion punches Indy in that Nepalese bar, you can practically see flint sparks coming off his chin.
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Dear God: You really are going to mount a quixotic defense of Temple of Doom, aren't you?
I'm afraid so. Most people hate it. I sort of love it. In fact, if I feel like spinning an Indy movie in the background in the years to come, I can pretty much guarantee that it will be the last 40 minutes of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.
Mind you, I'll be the first to admit that Temple of Doom has deeply embedded problems, and that there are popular reasons for disliking it — even hating it. The dialogue is ham-fisted. (I invariably cringe during the "What are you — a lion tamer?"/"I'm allowing you to tag along" exchange. "A lion." "Allowing." A homophone! I get it!) It's surprisingly brutal in the middle. In women's-lib terms, Kate Capshaw's scream-queen Willie Scott is such a step backward from Marion Ravenwood that I'm mildly surprised NOW didn't picket the screenings. (The future Mrs. Spielberg, God bless her, got handed a terribly written role — Willie's the shrieking Jar-Jar of the Indiana Jones series.) And let's not even get into the film's retro-colonialist overtones (which I find sort of perversely funny, but still). And the film is so different from its predecessor — confined largely to one locale, not as sophisticated or quest-driven, and very nearly Satanic in its depictions of evil — that it really couldn't help but let viewers down. And the bad blood persists to this day: Several people who knew I had this DVD box a week early made a point of expressing their jealousy — but also invariably went out of their way to slam "the second one."
Still, despite all that, I managed to find not one but two DVDJ staffers who absolutely adore Temple of Doom — and we gave the platter a spin, in the dark, on a flat-screen HDTV with six-channel sound. And we three geeks arrived at the following list of reasons to love the flick:
- That unimpeachably awesome opening fight over the diamond and antidote, which contains tributes to classic musicals and Hitchcock and just absolutely rocks the house;
- Ke Huy Kwan as Short Round, who — despite being handed cute-kid dialogue that includes the lines "Hold onto your potatoes!" and "You call him Doctah Jones, DOLL!" — is quite possibly the most likeable and least obtrusive child sidekick in movie history. Check out the wonderful, genuinely warm give-and-take between Kwan and Ford as they play poker or exchange hats;
- That "Nice try, Lao Che!" visual gag;
- Harrison Ford's terrific performance — arguably his best as Jones. I love how Indy stars out as a total greedy asshole, with strong shades of Bogart in Treasure of Sierra Madre, and how there's a distinct character arc as he evolves into a Pied-Piper/holy avenger;
- The movie's look — again, the best in the series — with its striking wide-angle close ups of Indy's face and strong use of reds and shadows. Temple of Doom is a manual on how to use color in film, no joke. (As one DVDJ staffer [who, BTW, owns the original July 1984 issue of American Cinematographer devoted to Temple of Doom] put it, "This movie contains Spielberg's busiest frames, and it's all beautiful. It's a pornography of cinematography");
- John Williams' score, which is among his very best — expanding richly on the original and adding wonderful themes for Short Round and the slave children;
- Vampire bats! Severed thumbs!
- The matte paintings of Pankot Palace, which are among the best matte paintings ever;
- The sexy, playful, totally '80s, beautifully edited cat-and-mouse sequence where way-horny Indy and Willie are trying to out-wait each other, only to have the flirtation interrupted by a Thuggee assassin. (How can you not love the way that thug steps out of that wall mural?);
- The super-icky, super-taut bug-tunnel and death-trap set piece, which is a perfect transition between the palace and the Temple of Doom and which very nearly kicks the ass of the Well of Souls sequence (it certainly makes your skin crawl more) and features that great closing gag where Indy grabs his hat as the door's closing;
- The way the movie shifts so abruptly into scenes of human sacrifice and child cruelty. I'm sorry, I just love what a cinema bomb Spielberg and Lucas drop here: Yes, the horror's laid on a bit thick, but come on — how totally cathartic are those last 40 minutes as a result, when Indy snaps out of the Black Sleep of Kali and dishes out the hurt to faceless Thuggee goons?
- That little 1940s tip of the hat Indy gives to that cobra statue as he's stealing the stones — a perfect Bogart moment;
- Amrish Puri as Mola Ram — by far the scariest and most depraved villain in the series. He's mindlessly scary like Orcs are scary, you know? As one fellow staffer put it, he looks like what Abe Vigoda would look like if he were a sadistic Indian child molester;
- The way Indiana Jones doesn't just look drugged when he's in the Black Sleep of Kali, but instead looks like he's really into all the sadism and blood, like he's actually tapped into some dark part of his personality that was there all along;
- And, best of all, the movie's final 40 minutes, which are inventive and cathartic and full of righteous fury and pain and thrilling action — it's Lucas and Spielberg working out all their action-geek demons without apology, and God bless 'em for it. I mean, has any movie ever piled one action sequence on top of the next so successfully? That voodoo conveyor-belt fight followed by the mine-car chase followed by the water tunnel followed by the dual-swordsman tango followed by the rope-bridge blowout? With all kinds of semi-perverse shots like the one where both Indy and Short Round are beating the crap out of age-appropriate foes?
Really. The movie's aged well. Better than you might think. Give it a second chance. It's total geek crack.
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Uh-huh. And now I suppose you're going to say the third film "sucks," right?
Now, now. I wouldn't dare to blanket-slag Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade; in fact, I actually softened on it quite a bit after I turned 30, which I'm sure should disturb me but doesn't.
Certainly, there's some wonderful chemistry between Ford and Sean Connery, who plays dotty, arrogant Dr. Jones paterfamilias (a casting coup, that). And River Phoenix does an uncanny and quite funny Harrison Ford impression, glaring and smirking as young Indiana Jones (who, apparently, acquired his whip, hat, fear of snakes and chin scar in a single afternoon in 1912). And kudos to the late Jeffrey Boam (who is, BTW, not complimented once in the supplemental materials) for writing some lively, character-driven, funny dialogue; it comes as a relief after the spoken-word atrocities wrought by Katz and Huyck. And that largely improvised action sequence with the WWI tank? Delicious. (Well, mostly delicious; see below.)
But, all that said: Despite its clearly being Spielberg's favorite and most personal film in the series — unresolved Daddy issues and all — Last Crusade commits two filmic sins I won't readily forgive:
- It resorts to mockery. It's one thing when a sequel tweaks its characters a little — but Last Crusade revels in making fools of its protagonists, to the degree that it takes me out of the movie and undermines any sense of danger the film may hold. While I generally enjoy the Oedipal dynamic between Papa and Junior Jones, there's just one too many moments for my taste where Henry makes Indiana look like a total jackass. And don't even get me started about what they did to Marcus Brody: In Raiders, Brody is an obvious mentor to Indy and no minor badass himself; as he says, he's only five years too old to have undertaken the quest for the Ark himself. But in Last Crusade, Brody's a doddering buffoon, a drunk with Alzheimer's, a man who gets lost in his own museum. Watch how his comedy "bits" with Sean Connery almost derail any tension to be had in the desert battle with the tank. It's almost unforgivable. And Sallah, so resourceful and charming and filled with music in the first film, is kind of a doofus here, stealing camels for his relatives and otherwise serving as wacky-Arab comic relief.
- The movie contains very few actual thrills. In Raiders, Indiana Jones took on sadists, Nazis and a fierce competitor (not to mention a pissed-off ex-girlfriend). In Temple of Doom, he fell into a subterranean hell and took on the very minions of Kali. In Last Crusade, he takes on a bumbling group of idiots — and, as a result, very little of the film's action leads me to believe that Indiana Jones is in any real danger. Seriously. Who are our bad guys here? Guys in fezzes? A Nazi commander out of a Mel Brooks movie? And, dear Lord, I very nearly forget that Julian Glover is even in the damned thing, and he plays the bad guy who gets the supernatural-disintegration treatment! And Glover was my old flame's acting teacher! Am I really supposed to consider this British-channeling-American slice of Wonder Bread a threat? Get back in your AT-AT, General Veers!
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Whatever. So how about those extras?
As you've no doubt heard by now, there's a fourth disc devoted exclusively to "bonus material." (This disc is, in fact, packaged so it almost looks like there's a fourth film titled Indiana Jones and the Bonus Material, complete with new Drew Struzan cover art; the mind thrills at the notion of a sequel in which Dr. Jones grades extra-credit papers.) Anyway, while this isn't a Star Wars-DVD-caliber collection of extras or anything, it's an extremely slick, fat-free disc.
That said, I AM going to complain, however briefly, about what's not on Disc Four. For one thing, there aren't any deleted scenes (which are referenced in the documentary; you even see footage of them being shot). And there's no promotional-materials gallery. I normally wouldn't give two poops about a poster gallery, BTW, but Struzan's Indiana Jones poster art is some of the best ever created. Where's the love?
And, worst of all, nobody dishes on some of the juiciest lore of the production, which I'll get to in a minute.
But anyway. The centerpiece of Disc Four is "Indiana Jones: Making the Trilogy," a 2:06:58 behind-the-scenes documentary written, directed and produced by Spielberg DVD staple Laurent Bouzereau. Now, if you're like me, the notion of spending 2:06:58 watching any recent Spielberg behind-the-scenes doc with the credit "written, directed and produced by Laurent Bouzereau" is enough to send you nodding straight into Morpheus' bosom. Mind you, Bouzereau has done estimable work in years past — his Hitchcock docs and, for God's sake, his amazing two-hour laserdisc Jaws documentary that never made it to DVD — and yes, I admire his light, invisible touch, and yes, he exhaustively compiled the Star Wars Annotated Screenplays, a great read. But frankly I find the guy's most recent, safely reverential, talking-head-driven supplemental material about as exciting as an NPR broadcast — these days, he makes DVD extras that are good for you. (And BTW: What exactly does Bouzereau "write" in these docs, anyway? The dialogue for whatever's living in Lucas' throat pouch?)
On reflection, I'd wager Spielberg's to blame for the watering-down of recent Bouzereau docs. And all that said, I'm happy to report that "Making the Trilogy" is actually pretty thorough, despite some glaring deletions that I'll get into below. Spielberg and Lucas speak pretty frankly, thanks to two decades of distance from the material, and Bouzereau skillfully weaves his trademark talking-head interviews with some very human, occasionally goofy behind-the-scenes footage shot during production in the 1980s. I remember seeing some of the Raiders behind-the-scenes footage turn up on TV way back when, as part of a special that climaxed with the song "Memories, Friends and 8x10s." The fact that most of that old footage appears here softens the blow that not one of those ancient TV docs appears on the disc.
"Making the Trilogy" is divided into distinct chapters dealing with Raiders (50:49), Temple of Doom (41:07), and Last Crusade (35:02). Each chapter moves deliberately through its respective film — pretty much scene-by-scene and character-by-character — mixing recently-shot video recollections with 1980s behind-the-scenes footage (not to mention talking-head interviews with the very dead River Phoenix and Denholm Elliott, which is sort of poignant). The whole thing is really granular — picking apart details to the degree that we actually hear Lawrence Kasdan talking for what feels like a minute about how he named Marion Ravenwood after his wife and a street by his house. (Loved ones watching these docs with me actually found this stuff unbelievably tedious and fell asleep, BTW.) Selected highlights:
- Repeated behind-the-scenes moments of Spielberg, Ford and, to a lesser degree, Lucas acting like complete dorks as they clown around behind the scenes — pouring water on each other, giving direction to animals and hats for "laughs," and otherwise making lame jokes. One is struck, on this doc more than any other I've seen, by the fact that great entertainment is often produced by geeks and the crew members who laugh at their jokes;
- Shots of Harrison Ford stapling his hat to his head;
- The revelation that Danny DeVito very nearly played Sallah;
- The weird thrill of seeing Ke Huy Kwan, who played Short Round, all grown up — and looking facially almost exactly the same but speaking flawless California English;
- The perverse thrill of watching Spielberg, in a prom-night tux, doing some charmingly awkward on-set flirting with future wife Kate Capshaw;
- Shots of an absolutely fantastic concept painting of Indiana Jones, gritting a cigarette in his teeth, looking like he just stumbled out of one of those 1950s men's-adventure magazines;
- The unusual candor of Spielberg and Lucas (and even Capshaw and behind-the-scenes personnel) as they riff on the various problems they have with Temple of Doom, which apparently they openly dismiss as the redheaded stepchild of the series. That said, I grew annoyed with Spielberg's tendency to tease and blame George Lucas for stuff;
- Screen-test footage of Tom Selleck and Tim Matheson (!) in gray fedoras trying out for the role of Indiana Jones, and Sean Young (!) trying out for Marion;
- And, finally, marveling at how surprisingly well-preserved Alfred Molina and the Indy leading ladies are today, and how Mr. Ford is so reticent on-camera these days as to seem slightly senile or medicated, which I must admit worries me ever so slightly about the planned Indy 4, tentatively slated for release in 2005.
Sadly, more than a few geeky things I was hoping to learn more about were simply not discussed. At all. There's no talk about the abandoned sword fight in the marketplace (not even storyboards, which BTW would have been a wonderful extra). We don't learn about a fairly notorious abandoned scene where Indiana Jones was hanging onto the U-Boat periscope, explaining how he made it to the island without drowning. We don't hear an anecdote about the fly crawling into Paul Freeman's mouth. There's nary a peep about the legendary behind-the-scenes tomfoolery where Barbra Streisand walked on the set of Temple of Doom in a dominatrix outfit and started whipping Harrison Ford while he was chained to a rock . (Actually, maybe that's an Easter egg I haven't discovered yet.) Nobody mentions that the full-scale U-boat replica — which Spielberg borrowed from the Das Boot production — sank shortly after the Raiders crew returned it. And there's nothing about a tantalizing bit of Raiders storyboard art (you'll find it in the Raiders soundtrack CD liner notes) that revealed there was originally this goofy Nazi character with a machine gun for an arm (see inset). And dear Lord — in this DVD set's own press notes, they admit that there's a much longer cut out there of the ending sequence where they open the Ark of the Covenant!
Also, some of best behind-the-scenes footage I remember from my youth is nowhere to be seen, either — I'm thinking specifically of this fantastic bit where Spielberg (a known yeller on his sets) gets visibly pissed and exasperated when a truck crash on the Raiders set isn't spectacular enough, to the degree that a fellow crew member has to calm him down. I'm sorry, but all these oversights keep the extras from feeling definitive for me. Maybe the eventual box set they release with the fourth Indy film will address all this. Somehow I doubt it.
Moving along, we find four featurettes — all of them constructed, like the documentary, as a dance of talking-head/archival footage:
- "The Stunts of Indiana Jones" (10:56) is exciting for all the usual reasons — and I found out that a single stuntman named Pat Roach basically played three different enormous guys Indy fights in the first two films.
- "The Sound of Indiana Jones" (13:20) is yet another hagiography of "the father of Skywalker Sound," innovative sound-design genius Ben Burtt. If 13 minutes of talk about how to create snake, boulder, mine car, rat, whip, gun and punching sounds is your cup of tea, do I have a documentary for you. (Fun fact: The sound of the Ark lid being lifted was made using a toilet tank.)
- "The Music of Indiana Jones" (12:23) gives some much-deserved "props" to composer John Williams and his extraordinary Indy score (which, I must complain, has yet to be comprehensively released in a CD box; I mean, Temple of Doom is one of JW's very best scores ever, and maybe 35 minutes of it are on CD — as a Japanese import). Williams makes a great point about what a labor-intensive and deliberate process it is to come up with a simple and effective melody — and his explication of how he changes musical styles to accompany different adventure-movie tropes is pretty cool if you're a total soundtrack geek. Also, Williams is the only person to actually discuss the possibility of Indy 4 on the whole DVD set, if I'm not mistaken.
- "The Light and Magic of Indiana Jones" (12:20) talks (too briefly, I'm guessing, for many geeks) about the F/X on all three films. There are original animatics for the Ark-opening sequence; details about the landmark mine-car chase, perhaps the all-time greatest use of miniatures in an action scene; and a distinct lack of apology about the fakey blue-screen work that plagues Last Crusade.
After that, there are trailers for all three films that serve mostly to show how far the craft of trailer-making has come in the past two decades, plus a DVD-ROM Web link to "an exclusive Indiana Jones DVD website," which I'm sure is lovely for people who don't write their reviews on iBooks.
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- Anamorphic widescreen
- Four-disc set
- Dolby Digital 5.1 (English) Dolby 2.0 Surround (French, Spanish)
- English, French, and Spanish subtitles
- Feature-length documentary: "Indiana Jones: Making the Trilogy"
- Featurette: "The Stunts of Indiana Jones"
- Featurette: "The Sound of Indiana Jones"
- Featurette: "The Music of Indiana Jones"
- Featurette: "The Light and Magic of Indiana Jones"
- Theatrical trailers
- Exclusive DVD-ROM Web link
- Four keep-cases in paperboard slipcase
Oct. 20, 2003, 12:24 a.m. CST
Oct. 20, 2003, 12:32 a.m. CST
by Led Gopher
Oct. 20, 2003, 12:38 a.m. CST
I'm still buying it!!!
Oct. 20, 2003, 12:44 a.m. CST
by Cash Bailey
But I heard that very quickly after Spielberg pulled the video from the shelves and cut that scene out. I've certainly not seen it since on any video or TV broadcasts. Any word on whether it's back in? I remember it being the most horrifying thing I'd ever seen when I was a lad.
Oct. 20, 2003, 12:51 a.m. CST
but RAIDERS is the best, and also the best film of the past 25 years.
Oct. 20, 2003, 12:53 a.m. CST
The extras could easily have fit on the other three discs, but this way Raiders fans have to get the box to get the extras. (Yes, I'm whining, but it just irks me to see single disc movies like Minority Report, AI, The Others, Unbreakable, Men In Black, etc., spread over multiple discs just to make them SEEM more special--and to charge more.)
Oct. 20, 2003, 1:07 a.m. CST
Growing up, we all always called it "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark." Having Indy as part of the title makes the all the films come across what they are: A nostalgic nod to the old Hollywood serials. Like you're there not to watch the film about the Raiders of the Lost Ark, but because you're there to watch your favorite hero of the screen (Indy) in another exciting adventure. Of course, I might just be the world's biggest idiot. IF this is the case, then given what IMDB says about Star Wars, ("The episode number and subtitle "A New Hope" did not originally appear in the film's opening crawl.") then we should be equally disgusted with that additional bit of titular revisionism onto Star Wars. And where is the disgust about the cinematic skateboarding classic, "Gleaming the Cube" being renamed several times? :)
Oct. 20, 2003, 1:08 a.m. CST
by Indiana Clones
Anyone who doesn't love Temple Of Doom has a tiny dick.
Oct. 20, 2003, 1:11 a.m. CST
For those who don't know, Best Buy is including a 5th bonus disc in the set with rarely seen footage and exclusive scenes featuring the cast and crew. What bonus footage? Running time? I don't know. I just saw their ad in the weekend paper.
Oct. 20, 2003, 1:14 a.m. CST
by The Ghost of Scrappy Doo
Buy your Raiders box sets at Best Buy. Saw it in the Sunday Best Buy circular and there was a note about it on thedigitalbits.com. Not sure exactly what is on the fifth disk, kind of like the extra disk they package with their exclusive Star Trek box sets, I guess. And for what it's worth, I still refer to these movies as Raiders and not Indy. It should have been "Raiders of the Temple of Doom" and "Raiders of the Holy Grail." Smash out.
Oct. 20, 2003, 1:16 a.m. CST
by Han Ol' Buddy
I hope that they included some of the advertising/commercials they played w/ the product tie-ins. I really want to see the Pepsi commercials featuring the Knight from the round table saying "You have chosen. . . wisely" to the guy who chose the Pepsi. And, I'm kidding.
Oct. 20, 2003, 1:32 a.m. CST
And in the section for Book Covers, he did some excellent work for the Indy novels. Also for the Infernal Machine video game. Aw, just check it all out, his stuff's great..
Oct. 20, 2003, 1:46 a.m. CST
by Andy Travis
Yeah, it makes the movie LOTS worse, doesn't it? If Lucas and Spielberg knew what a phenomena Raiders would have been you can bet YOUR ASS there would be an "Indiana Jones and" attached to that very first print that rolled out. It's a freakin' pulp serial (well, more like a bunch of 'em rolled together into a feature-length, kick-ass movie). Get over it. It has THE GREATEST MONKEY DEATH SCENE EVER. I wish that was on a sticker attached to the DVD...
Oct. 20, 2003, 1:49 a.m. CST
by Andy Travis
From what I've heard the 5th disc has a short 1981 featurette on Raiders. Not much running time...but for free, not bad.
Oct. 20, 2003, 2:40 a.m. CST
by Lazarus Long
So Raiders is still amazing, Temple of Doom not as bad as we all supposedly remember, and Last Crusade undefensibly problematic. And the extras disc is weak. So why four stars, DuPont? Let's just admit it: The Indiana Jones trilogy is the most OVERRATED series of films, ever. At least Back to the Future has an ongoing storyline to keep you involved. At least Alien has a different tone and style for each film (even the abysmal Resurrection). Hell, Superman II is better than the last two Indy films combined; does Superman III really drag the whole series down more than the Indy sequels? What's sad is that Spielberg directed all three, and while ADP does point out some of Temple of Doom's high points, Last Crusade makes Return of the Jedi look like The Empire Strikes Back. While neither Indy sequel is as bad as Spielberg's Jurassic sequel The Lost World (probably the most lifeless film I've ever seen by a major director), I don't see how either could be considered great. Even on a Five Star scale, I'm not so sure this is a must-buy. If Godfather III prevented me from buying that collection on DVD (one day they'll come out separately, right?), I can hold out for the solo purchase of Raiders, and maybe Temple of Doom. Until then, The Two Towers Extended Edition should keep me busy.
Oct. 20, 2003, 3:28 a.m. CST
by Hung-Wei Lo
Who was the moron that decided to advertise this feature? Does it add an extra dollar to the overall package? Also, why would I ask Alexandra to "assuage my fears"? Like I would ever say that! What the fuck does "fear" mean, anyway?
Oct. 20, 2003, 4:14 a.m. CST
i heard its only ten minutes
Oct. 20, 2003, 4:14 a.m. CST
I think my dad wants to disown me for liking Temple of Doom more than Last Crusade. I just never liked all the elephantine buffoonery in Crusade; it kills the tension. Making Temple of Doom took balls. And I have to say that I really don't give a crap about the title. Getting worked up about what's on the top of the poster is more than a little odd. If it's the same movie, they can call it "The Ewok Adventure" for all I care. As long as a nazi's face melts at the end, I'm good.
Oct. 20, 2003, 4:15 a.m. CST
Ms. DuPont -- flawless as always. And thanks for giving Temple of Doom the kudos it so richly deserves. Although not my favorite of the bunch, it certainly doesn't warrant the cruel lashings it's received over the years. "Skinnier than Kate Beckinsale"? I'm hoping that was in jest. If not -- feel free to eat a few more sandwiches. Oh and by the way, please tell me you're single, mm'kay?
Oct. 20, 2003, 4:42 a.m. CST
by Brody Armstrong
"bad dats" FUCK YEAH, SALLAH, YOU FUCK FAT FUCK! I WANT TO RAPE YOU IN THE ASS!
Oct. 20, 2003, 4:44 a.m. CST
by Brody Armstrong
coming soon to a theater near you
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:05 a.m. CST
The title of a movie is part of a movie. You shouldn't need to have this explained to you. If some wiseass bought the rights to "Casablanca" and changed the name of the movie to "Play It Again, Sam" it would cheapen the entire presentation even if they didn't alter a single frame. The movies are called "Star Wars" and "Raiders of the Lost Ark"... only a DOUCHEBAG would call them "Episode IV: A New Hope" and "Indiana Jones and the Blah Blah Blah". Stan and Kyle were right... Lucas and Spielberg need to have these movies taken from them. We put National Monuments and Historic Sites under protection for just this reason... so that dim-witted property owners and architects can't go back and make arbitrary changes for the sake of their egos or wallets. Maybe it's time to begin protecting Cultural Artifacts from their senile creators in the same manner.
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:06 a.m. CST
I used to really be bothered by his inexplicable character change in Crusade, but there IS a reason. Brody gets hammered on the noggin' heartily in the Library scene by the Brothers of the Cruciform Sword. I think that knock to the head made him retarded.
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:08 a.m. CST
Well, first off, no, Madam Dupont, you're not alone in your love of Temple of Doom....to tell the truth, THAT's the Indy film I grew up with, and while I respect Raiders as a film more as I grow older, chances are, I'll still end up watching Temple of Doom more. The tension is thicker, the action rules, they don't sugarcoat the face of evil, and whether Lucas/Spielberg disown it or not, this movie is still one of the ballsiest films in their repertoires....but speaking of which...CashBailey--since I've been watching the same VHS copy of Temple of Doom since the early 90s (and it's STILL in good shape, surprisingly...), I can tell you that my version still has heart-pulling....but I wasn't aware Spielberg pulled the scene out of any of the other releases aside from the edited-for-TV version....can somebody chime in if they have an edited copy? All I know is that I'll be super-pissed if I found out it's cut from the DVD....and for the record, maybe I was a strong kid, but the heart-pulling didn't bother me as a kid...not even the part afterward with the heart bursting into flames after the guy gets dropped into the pit......what DID, and still does, creep the shit out of me are the bugs. Especially the giant ones in the hole with the release lever that Willie has to reach into....just plain disturbs me to no end....Anyways...missing extras or not, I'm just not strong enough to hold out another two years for a new Indy boxset....Revolution(s) is my name...
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:10 a.m. CST
Since they went to all the trouble of restoring the footage and for the DVD, why didn't they take out that damn reflection with some CGI editing! You know what I'm talking about
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:18 a.m. CST
Actually, they did remove it for the DVD.
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:48 a.m. CST
man, i definately saw the heart pulling at least once, and always thought i didn't see it again cos tv cut it. i hope it's on the DVD cos that would rock. and i not only prefer TOD over LC, it's my favourite ALL TOGETHER. short round RULES.
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:55 a.m. CST
Raiders was best Crusader was second Doom was complete and utter kiddified monkey shit... nuff said
Oct. 20, 2003, 10:05 a.m. CST
Oct. 20, 2003, 10:42 a.m. CST
I can certainly see how, in 1984, it must have just stunned and horrified audiences. Not just with the imagry, but the incredible intensity of it. Back then, you didn't make movies where the second half of the film was non-stop action right up to the closing credits. And if you consider, the last scene that's even something LIKE a breather is when Starved Exposition Boy in the cage tells Indy about the Black Blood. From the point Indy drinks the blood, there's just no letup until the movie ends. And that was WAY too much for some people - but it plays fine today.
Oct. 20, 2003, 11:33 a.m. CST
by Silver Shamrock
but the Lucas "throat pouch" quip justifies her existence.
Oct. 20, 2003, 11:38 a.m. CST
by Osmosis Jones
The former has hearts being torn from the chests of still-living victims, and the latter has Tom Cruise chasing his own eyeballs down a slanted corridor. Nothing else Spielberg has ever done has matched the sheer I-can't-believe-what-I-am-seeing ballsiness of these two films. Raiders is still the best Indy film overall (Willie, while hot, *does* grate a little), but Temple is much better than the overly benign Last Crusade (again, very entertaining movie, but borders on slapstick comedy at times. Naturally, it's my mom's favorite of the three...). Still, I love all three films flaws and all, and will be at Best Buy as soon as it opens to get a widescreen copy (watch out for the pan & scam version at all costs). "Asps, very dangerous. YOU go first!"
Oct. 20, 2003, 11:41 a.m. CST
And during the evenings for the next couple of days, I will forego family life,I will watch every last thing that is to be watched on the disks. (Stupid "having to work during the day" life)
Oct. 20, 2003, 11:45 a.m. CST
by Silver Shamrock
The extended dance sequence was a hint that everything has gone to shit. It's way too schticky, they always take the short trip to the easy laugh. Hey look, Indy's groping a statue! and Kate Capshaw IS the fuck of the Century!
Oct. 20, 2003, 11:55 a.m. CST
Anybody who can't get into the scene with chilled monkeybrains and eyeball soup shouldn't even be here. Pauline Kael loved Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Spielberg didn't need to apologize for it. That movie had real balls. It's one of the few real dark movies he's done. Nobody seems to get that it's Indiana Jones making the hero's journey into Hell. It's Hell wrapped up in Hindu religion but it's Hell nonetheless.
Oct. 20, 2003, 12:14 p.m. CST
Alexandra, your writing is so great it's like being French-kissed unexpectedly by a good-lookin dame in fishnets. You take my breath away. Never, ever stop contributing to this site!!!!
Oct. 20, 2003, 12:28 p.m. CST
It's not different _in the movie_ people!! It's a marketing thing! So that the layman renter (y'know, people who complain about widescreen.) can find them. Because they were always asking me why RAIDERS wasn't in "I" with the other two. The film has never been, and is not now, re-titled! The title screen still says RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. God! People IT'S THE NAME ON THE BOX!!! Which also happened to coincide with the "complete adventures" rerelease, tying them all (films & the YIJ series) together with similar titles and chapter numbers. Of course, those YIJ episodes are "ruined" now too, I guess, as they were re-titled to YOUNG INDIANA JONES AND THE MYSTERY OF THE BLUES, etc.
Oct. 20, 2003, 12:36 p.m. CST
by Bad Guy
If you actually read Miss Dupont's review she tells you that the snake reflection "has" been edited out. Quityerbitchin'! Just messin' with you, man. ;-) Honestly, I am so jazzed about finally having this set on DVD that it doesn't even matter that much that the "made for TV" docs that they aired for these movies aren't included on the bonus disc. The films are anamorphic and they're in 5.1. Other than DTS, there's not much else you could want. Oh, and I'm also in the TOD fan camp. Other than the mostly annoying Willie Scott character, (Great bod, though!) the movie is really good. The opening in the nightclub, the escape from the plane in a raft (!), the banter between Indy & Short Round, the "exotic foods" dinner scene, and pretty much everything after they enter the bug infested tunnel. This movie is dark, evil, sometimes disgusting and more of an adult adventure movie than most of the crap that gets released nowadays. "And" it was one of the causes of the PG-13 rating. Is that so wrong?
Oct. 20, 2003, 2:06 p.m. CST
by Aston Lad
Whenever people slag this film off (which, for my money, is a damn fine adventure movie), they always use the same insult: "It's rascist in its depictions of non-white characters, just look at how there are no white villains in the whole film." Maybe I'm alone here, but I gotta admit, I have NEVER met an Indian or Oriental person who told me they were offended by that film. And its almost 20 years old now, which is a long time to pass without having heard such comments with my own ears in my own conversations (by which I mean not by political correctness campaigners on TV chat shows). I've always said that the best in this series are the first 2, they just have a certain flair to their action sequences that made every boy want to be that hero, living his adventures. Last Crusade is fine, but tries too hard to be a Raiders clone. Overall, this is still one fantastic trilogy. I'm still hoping the 4th doesn't ruin everything.
Oct. 20, 2003, 3:40 p.m. CST
Funny, most people I know just complain that Capshaw is a whiny annoying cunt. (PS, thanks for the info on the title, I don't care what they do on the box as long as they don't change what's onscreen)
Oct. 20, 2003, 4:14 p.m. CST
Why must we be FORCED to buy a box set when we only like one film? I hate TOD and Crusade is not that great. Oh well, guess I'll just borrow it from my friend and make a copy of Raiders on DVD. F**K Paramount Pictures. I haven't forgotten about the Godfather scam either!!! ----- END OF LINE
Oct. 20, 2003, 4:21 p.m. CST
when he started mentioning the title thing at the start, why, becuase it just makes him sounmd like a film snob, or an ass, either way they are the same
Oct. 20, 2003, 5:01 p.m. CST
I've had this box set since saturday on R2. I almost didn't buy it because i heard TOD would be cut. http://www.dvdreview.co.uk/news/story.shtml?news.REF=924 but the DVD i've got has the hart beating in hand scene where it burns at the end of the scene and the other scenes that were ment to be cut as far as i know. the film is rated PG as well as if it had been cut. hense i am confused. I'm surprised the film came out on R2 before R1 as well. well not long to wait for you lot anyway.
Oct. 20, 2003, 5:02 p.m. CST
Man, can't some of you people _ever_ be happy? Great transfers, great sound, a whole disc of feature that make that MATRIX RELOADED disc look idiotic. What you we hear? "Why do we have to buy them all?" Well, maybe because 99.999% of people who want this want all three films! "There's no commentary!" Well, boy! When _has_ Speilberg done a commentary? He's pretty clear that he wants the films to speak for themselves. I think they do.
Oct. 20, 2003, 5:30 p.m. CST
Oct. 20, 2003, 5:47 p.m. CST
Its called choice, something Paramount hates to give us. Fox did it right with the Alien set, box set or singles. Did you buy the Superman box set? Thought not. Paramount likes to fuck people out of their money. They are one of the worst companies when it comes to DVD. I also doubt that EVERYONE wants the trilogy, not seeing much love for the other two films here. I don't want the extras; I just want a widescreen version of "Raiders of the Lost Ark". Is that too much to ask for? Paramount can kiss my ass. I choose NOT to buy this release. --- END OF LINE
Oct. 20, 2003, 5:50 p.m. CST
According to http://www.dvdcompare.org.uk/, the British R2 version of TOD is the censored one. If memory serves correctly, that's over a minute of cuts including the actual removal of the heart and the guy in the cage being incinerated. If you really want an R2 version, any of the other ones available in the EU are uncut. The BBFC is even worse than the MPAA. Sorry, man.
Oct. 20, 2003, 5:54 p.m. CST
The title "Indiana Jones & The Raiders of the Lost Ark" does NOT appear. It's just "Raiders of the Lost Ark" - as it always has been, as it always should be. The name change appears only on the packaging. The cobra reflection HAS indeed disappeared. However - the fly that wanders into Belloq's mouth at the bazooka stand off is still there. The movie we all know and love has not, repeat NOT been recut, added to, enchanced, amended, spindled, folded, mutilated or damaged in any way. What you get is a pristine print of the original. Overall, the film has never looked or sounded better. This is the first widescreen edition of Raiders I've ever owned. The UK VHS releases have always been fullscreen pan & scan. This alone makes it a worthwhile purchase.
Oct. 20, 2003, 5:55 p.m. CST
Did Superman 3 & 4 bring down the series as a whole? Yes. Did their wretchedness stop me from buying them? No. Any self-proclaimed movie buff who only buys the "good" movies in a series of films needs to hand in their geek card immediately.
Oct. 20, 2003, 5:59 p.m. CST
It aired on public television some 20 odd years ago, and my dad had just spent a fortune on one of those original top loader vcr dinosaurs. Anyway, I taped the whole thing and have kept it safe for years. It actually has footage of the sword fight, not as it is in the film, but with the swordsman smashing his blade into a vendors cart and Indy barely jumping out of the way. Also, Indy uses his whip to defend himself during the attack. There's a lot of stuff with stuntman Terry Leonard, who did almost all of Ford's double work, including the truck drag. And yes, the song "Family, friends and 8x10's" ends the documentary, with Ford claiming it was "the hardest job I ever done." I also taped "The Making of the Empire Strikes Back" off the same PBS station around the same time. It's amazing. They are safe and sound in the archive.
Oct. 20, 2003, 6:04 p.m. CST
by Caped Revenger2
Raiders is my favorite movie of all time. But think about it: Can you name another movie where the hero has less impact on the eventual outcome of the story? He goes to all that trouble, going to Nepal, nearly getting Marion killed, chases through Cairo, gets his hands on the Ark even. But in the end, the Nazis get it, and they get their comeuppance - ON THEIR OWN. Indy ends the film tied to a post, and all he can do is tell Marion not to look. If Indy would have just stayed home, the Nazis would have just found the Ark quicker (with the full headpiece to the Staff of Ra) but they still would have taken it to that island, and still would have had their faces melted. The Ark could take care of itself. It didn't need Indy.
Oct. 20, 2003, 6:10 p.m. CST
Oct. 20, 2003, 6:13 p.m. CST
(Stupid overanxious trigger finger - sorry about that) Anyhow, like I said somewhere along the thread I just got through watching the Raiders disc - and......damn......you're totally right. The more I think about it, the more I realise that Indy himself is pretty redundant in the film just like you said. That's pretty fucking amazing ! My hat's off to you.
Oct. 20, 2003, 6:19 p.m. CST
1) TheWoodMan and minderbinder wrote insightful and funny commentary in this talkback forum. If you missed it, go back and read it. 2) Temple of Doom sucks. Always has, always will. And this is from a guy who was so excited about it coming out as an early teenager that he held a Raiders party and got his parents to book a special showing of ToD for about 100 of his friends and assorted hangers-on. 3) DuPont was dead on accurate about Last Crusade. From the first time I saw it, the thing that bothered me most was their treatment of Brody. They turned a serious actor who helped set the mood of Raiders into comic relief that wasn't even needed. 4) I swear that when I saw Raiders for the first time -- opening day, Erie, Pennsylvania --there was an extended scene in the Peruvian temple at the beginning of the film. He and Satipo (not, of course, "Sapito" -- as Ford refers to him after he's dead) move through the temple more slowly, and Satipo almost falls through the layer of cobwebs covering the pit; Indy grabs him by his belt. Has anyone else seen that variation ... or even heard of it. I was only 10, so it's possible I don't remember it correctly. 5) When they cleaned up the mistakes, did they eliminate the shadow of the bouncing block when Indy and Marion escape the Well of Souls? 6) On the name front ... it does matter. Changing the names alters the cultural context.
Oct. 20, 2003, 6:43 p.m. CST
Good points. However, Indy did do one important thing -- even if it is off-camera. After the face-meltings, divine electrocutions and bursting heads, he made sure that the ark ended up in U.S. hands. Sure, its final destination was an anonymous warehouse, but at least Hitler didn't get it. Come to think of it -- if Hitler DID get it, the ark would have wiped out whoever opened it in Berlin. In other words -- never mind...
Oct. 20, 2003, 6:44 p.m. CST
Read my post again. The news may have said that the UK would be getting a cut version. The proof otherwise however is in my dvd player. This is probably a mistake and they accidentely put it out uncut. but i sure as hell aint complaining. i just want to spread the word to other UK residents that the first batch of the trilogy contains TOD uncut.
Oct. 20, 2003, 6:52 p.m. CST
If that's the case then I'm happy for you. Nobody should have to watch cut films.
Oct. 20, 2003, 6:56 p.m. CST
I recall that I researched that matter years ago .. and all websites coming up are going back to that blurb on IMDB ... on other message boards I heard that this story is BS ... shouldn;t there be any pictures out? Some better sources than the IMDB? anyone ???
Oct. 20, 2003, 6:58 p.m. CST
"We can now confirm that Temple on UK DVD will be the same censored version that was released in UK cinemas and on UK home video." .... "The upshot is that 66 seconds will remain cut from Temple when it
Oct. 20, 2003, 7:02 p.m. CST
i guess i was confusing in my first post. those cuts do make a lot of difference to the film. you can see the supernatural power the bad guys can excert far more clearly. making it more understandable that indy can come under thier control.
Oct. 20, 2003, 7:32 p.m. CST
Actually fact fans, Pat Roach appears in all three Indy flicks, not just the first two, and as a total of four characters. He's pretty well known on this side of the pond, appearing quite a bit on British telly as well as a fair stack of Hollywood's output. A heavy who can act!
Oct. 20, 2003, 7:34 p.m. CST
by Genghis Khan
Although it may seem that the Caped Revenger is correct, he fails to acknowledge that without Indy in the first place, the Ark may have never been discovered in the first place. Remember, Indy needed to get the medallion from Marion first in order to locate the Ark. He was, of course, followed by the Nazis who obviously needed it as well. Now, one could argue that they could've have found Marion by the themselves, but the movie suggests that they did not even know that she had it in the first place since they had to follow Indy to Nepal. So, without Indy deciding to undertake the mission in the first place, the Nazis probably would've been digging until the end of the war.
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:05 p.m. CST
Yep.It sure did.
Oct. 20, 2003, 8:40 p.m. CST
...because all these complaining idiots are gonna buy the box set anyway. trust me.
Oct. 20, 2003, 9:42 p.m. CST
All kick ass, but Crusade is the best. "No ticket". . .classic
Oct. 20, 2003, 9:48 p.m. CST
And that's Pat Roach in NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN beating the stuffing out of Sir Sean in the gym.
Oct. 20, 2003, 9:58 p.m. CST
IS GARBAGE. Kate Capshaw never stops screaming, any sense of danger or mystery is thrown away every two minutes when a stupid joke is tossed in and frankly the basic plot just sucks. I used to think it was good until I recently revisited it(after not seeing for like 10 years) and I now realize it totally sucks. The other two are brilliant and anyone trying to make an argument for temple of doom being better than either of these is just wrong. Yeah for the most part opinions on movies are sujective but in this case it is fact that Temple of Doom is a terrible film.
Oct. 20, 2003, 10:23 p.m. CST
Plain and Simple..
Oct. 20, 2003, 10:26 p.m. CST
What's interesting to note is the "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" effect. ToD will always be a favorite for me for two reasons. A) agressive tone change from the first film and B) agressive plotting change from the first film. See, that's what I like to see in a franchise...new ideas. Everybody _says_ that, but when it comes down to it, they really just want the same damn film over and over again. Of course, then people bitch about the lack of new ideas. God, _every other damn franchise_ inspires chants of "Darker! DARKER!!" from the assembled fanboys. This one gets down-and-dirty dark and everybody bitches. I disliked the turn to comedy in Crusade, as that film owes more to a Bob Hope/Bing Crosby "Road" picture than any adventure film. Yet, I embrace the series because it always evolved.
Oct. 20, 2003, 10:33 p.m. CST
Y'know someday you're all going to open up you DVD case that idicates "Chapter 24 of the Complete Adventures of Indiana Jones" with "Indiana Jones" branded across the front, matching the packaging of the entire series. Yet still featuring the title "RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK." You're gonna pop in that DVD, and see "RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK" on the screen. At that moment, you're all gonna realize what knobs you sound like right now. THE TITLE IS NOT CHANGED!!! THE TITLE _ON THE FILM,_ IMMORTALIZED IN CELLULOID, IS THE SAME AS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN. Grow up!
Oct. 20, 2003, 11:24 p.m. CST
Well ONE problem anyway... TOD is set to occur BEFORE Raiders of the Lost Ark, and in Raider's, Indy has a line he states to Marcus as he is packing his suitcase before he sets off in search of the ark which goes something like, "Oh, you know I never believed in any of that superstitious mumbo-jumbo". AFTER all that happened in TOD and he doesn't believe in "superstitious mumbo-jumbo"? - NO WAY. Nothing but poor continuity, TOD lovers.
Oct. 20, 2003, 11:32 p.m. CST
I thought that "Last Crusade" was a weak, slow, awkward, boring shadow of it's successors, but now because of your brilliant argument about "wrong and right", I know know that...YOU'RE AN IDIOT AND AN ASSHOLE. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Ahh, other people's opinions - they just will not behave and do what you want them to, right?
Oct. 21, 2003, 12:25 a.m. CST
by yeah i'm a jerk!
i hated that kid more than i did willie scott. in fact i hate him more than jar jar binks. i hate almost as much a i do wesley crusher, and neelix. what a lame ass useless character. that movie almost killed the indiana jones trilogy for me. honestly, raiders is one of the greatest films ever, but temple of doom is crap! last crusade is a moderate improvement, but it was a little too jokey for me. still it had a nazi sympathizer get his head shrivled, so it has some redeeming qualities.
Oct. 21, 2003, 12:37 a.m. CST
Take it easy. In the last half of my post I was being an asshole and as I was typing it I knew someone would take offence to those comments, I just wanted to display my hatred for Temple of Doom and went a little too far. But can't you agree that there are just some films that universally suck? Don't tell me there hasn't been a film that has come up on these boards that you have absolutely detested and you just wondered what the people that were defending it were talking about. A certain level of criticism has to be established on these boards otherwise it is just a battle of opinions with one guy/gal saying one movie sucked and the other guy/gal saying it rocked and then some other guy/gal chimes in that it's only a matter of opinion. Well for me there are just some movies that can't be defended.
Oct. 21, 2003, 12:49 a.m. CST
the game for PC kicked ass, it could work
Oct. 21, 2003, 2:14 a.m. CST
Seriously, though! Talk about detailed and informative and well-written. Um, <gulp!> are you single Ms. Dupont? <englaven!>
Oct. 21, 2003, 7:58 a.m. CST
...anyone who says different doesn't understand the Trilogy.
Oct. 21, 2003, 9:43 a.m. CST
Can I have some of what you're smoking? Please?
Oct. 21, 2003, 11:18 a.m. CST
by Han Ol' Buddy
So, did they cut out the part when Mola Rom takes out the guy's heart and it's flaming or not? Tell me! Tell me now!!!!
Oct. 21, 2003, 7:49 p.m. CST
Yes, "The Two Towers". I will never, in all my days, understand what it is about that film that causes everyone here to fall down in prostrate worship. The simple act of turning Gimli into Jar-Jar was enough to turn me off. And just to make sure I piss off everyone, yes, "Temple of Doom" is a better movie than "The Two Towers". Go ahead and egg my house, zealots.
Oct. 21, 2003, 10:57 p.m. CST
by Osmosis Jones
He's listed as a "Matte Supervisor", or something. Watched all three films and the extras today, and the set is excellent. Yeah, I wanted deleted scenes as much as anyone else, but it's a minor irritant. Great picture, great sound, great movies. Oh, and I was let down that the "Wilhelm" scream isn't mentioned anywhere during the sound design featurette, despite appearing six times during the trilogy (three times in TOD alone!).
Oct. 21, 2003, 10:59 p.m. CST
Temple of Doom is much better than people give it credit for.
Oct. 21, 2003, 11:55 p.m. CST
by Darth Thoth
... and I'm going crazy with joy. Finally after years of waiting it's mine!
Oct. 22, 2003, 1:31 a.m. CST
by Commando Cody
Can't even imagine Tim Matheson in the part, but I got the set today and I'm dying to get home and see the Tom Selleck test footage since I've always been a fan of his. As everyone should know by now, Selleck WAS Lucas' and Spielberg's FIRST choice for the role and actually HAD it, but then he lost out because the executive A-holes at CBS -- who had already passed on the original MAGNUM PI pilot and WEREN'T even going to air it because they thought it would bomb -- suddenly decided "Hey, if guys like Lucas and Spielberg see something in this guy, maybe we should at least air this once and see how it does." And, of course, it was an immediate hit pushing the show into production immediately and costing Selleck Indy. For fun, if you catch it in reruns, there's a great last season episode of Magnum PI called "Raiders of the Lost Art" where the whole episode is Selleck running around in fedora and leather jacket, essentially one big tribute (as best as TV costs could allow) to RAIDERS and a sort of whistful "what might have been." Personally, I love Harrison Ford in the role...but, man, all things being equal, in his prime back then I would've loved to see Selleck do it, too. I think he would've equally rocked.
Oct. 22, 2003, 1:39 a.m. CST
by Commando Cody
Okay, seeing the audition footage for Selleck will be cool...but thank you Paramount for leaving OUT the Barbra Streisand done up in leather and dominatrix gear clip. And I say that as someone who thinks ALL movies are improved by women dressed in tight leather outfits! But seeing Bawawawa that way? Thanks for leaving that off the extras. Though it does make one wonder if that's what hubby James is getting at home. Maybe the fact that she was willing to stroll onto a set in a get-up like that in front of so many people might explain some of her die-hard, ravenous political stances, too...
Oct. 22, 2003, 9:25 a.m. CST
I'm sorry, I have to point this out..._Technically_ Bawawawa is Barbara _Walters._ Strisand is, I believe, just Babs.
Oct. 22, 2003, 12:21 p.m. CST
by Spike Fett
And this would have been Babs circa 1984. Not as good as Babs circa 1969, but certainly do-able, unlike Babs post-PRINCE OF TIDES. I would pay a large amount of cash to see this sequence.
Oct. 22, 2003, 1:07 p.m. CST
by General Idea
Is that correct? And shame on me for not watching them enough lately to know the answer...
Oct. 22, 2003, 9:46 p.m. CST
I have several friends who were surprised by that little revelation when I casually mentioned Temple of Doom as a prequel. It only comes up in the "time and place" titles in the opening of both films. Temple's says "Shanghai 1935", while Raiders' says "South America, 1939". Plus, Indy starts the film as a selfish bastard who cares only about "fortune and glory", which he clearly isn't in Raiders. Just one of the things I like about Temple.
Oct. 24, 2003, 7:26 p.m. CST
Alexandra, I vividly remember seeing Raiders of the Lost Ark when I was a kid during it's original screening, and I always recall seeing a scene after the U-boat starts to dive (assuming it only dives to periscope depth) of harrison ford holding onto (or maybe whipping the ol' faithful)the periscope and being dragged along by it. People I talk to today when I recall that scene all think I'm nuts, but I now feel a little vindicated that other people have seen it also. I'm pretty sure that after the general release they would have cut it since it is a little unbelievable, even for indiana jones. It's a pity they didn't make any reference to it in the dvd. Cheers, Eudo
Oct. 25, 2003, 5:12 p.m. CST
I never realized how greedy Indy was in the first one until I watched ToD again last night...and it seems that his experiences there really set up his morality in the later movies. However, in Crusade, you see him as a kid saying that the Cross of Coronado belongs in a museum...very interesting, I think.
Oct. 25, 2003, 6:39 p.m. CST
The omission of the TOD teaser is unforgivable. It is not only a sweet teaser, but they have every other teaser and trailer for the trilogy. WTF?!
Feb. 14, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST
Hey Flexfill, you mentioned "the Making of The Empire Strikes Back in your thread". Is this the regular SPFX doco or the rarer one directed by Michel Parbot? Please contact me, email my user name at gmail. Thanks, JD