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Moriarty Reviews KILL BILL!!

Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

No clever headline. And hopefully, very little hyperbole or excessive digression. I don’t actually have a lot to say about KILL BILL VOLUME I. I think it’s a pretty amazing piece of pop art, I think it’s sleek and sexy as shit, and I think Quentin really threw down the gauntlet to other action directors in the same way the Wachowskis did in ’99. He just whipped his dick out and dared every other action director working to step up and compare. It’s an arrogant movie, a swaggering movie, a love letter from Quentin Tarantino to Quentin Tarantino. It’s a personal laundry list of film fetishes, scribbled onto the back of a napkin and rubbed in our faces. It should be horrible, a train wreck, a testament to the dangers of excess. And, despite that, it works. There is a sort of inevitable cool that sets in early and permeates every bit of this film. Did I dig the living shit out of KILL BILL? Yep. Every minute of it. Is it an easy film to like, a film that will play for anybody? Nope. And that’s exactly the way I like it.

Here’s what I don’t want to do as I talk about my reaction to the film. I don’t want to list the “references” that Quentin has made to try and make myself look clever, or to prove I read the press notes. If you pick up on references to other movies as you watch the film, and you know where he got this or that or some piece of music or a camera move or whatever, that’s one level of enjoyment. But that’s not the only way the film can be enjoyed, and I think you sell it short when you just list things off. The point isn’t that he borrows or even steals outright. He’s stated this as a philosophical cornerstone of his work before, happily copping to the fact that he lifts from everything. The point is the way he stirs it all together and slaps it up on the screen. Quentin is a mad alchemist, the film equivalent of a music producer building insanely catchy dance tracks out of samples from old songs. Quentin just wants to prove he can get you to shake your ass. If anything’s changed about him over the years, it’s the level of control he has over the technical craft of filmmaking, and he proves himself here to be one of the most muscular visual stylists working.

If you want to criticize this film as being wafer thin, you wouldn’t be wrong. If you want to read it as a cartoon about larger than life comic book characters killing each other in outlandish ways, that’s perfectly valid. You can’t paint in broader strokes than Quentin uses. “The Bride.” “Bill.” Archetypical names. They’re arresting and memorable because they’re so incredibly bland. These are the two central figures in this epic landscape, and everyone else revolves around them. Keeping Bill’s face off-screen for this entire film is an unexpected bonus for Tarantino. If it was one movie, the reveal would have to be handled differently. Now, he’s made us desperate to see David Carradine make his entrance.

I literally can’t believe I just typed that sentence, either. “He’s made us desperate to see David Carradine.” When I first heard that Warren Beatty was bailing out of the film and Carradine was stepping in, I wasn’t just surprised... I was incensed. I hated the news. I thought he’d just hamstrung his own movie. I freely admit it now... I’m not going to pretend I was always on-board. I am now, though. I think Carradine’s presence is perfect, and it reminds me of the way Peter Fonda started suddenly doing really strong work again.

All the casting so far is right on the money. Uma is... well, she’s Uma. There’s no one else like her. My first impression of her was on the JOHNNY BE GOOD poster, where she was giving Anthony Michael Hall this look of awed affection, and thanks to the way they printed her and the way her cut-out was sized against his cut-out, she looked like a giant balloon-headed version of Munch’s THE SCREAM. I was sixteen. Forgive my superficial reaction to feeling she was “fugly.” I wrote her off. I changed my mind after DANGEROUS LIASONS and THE ADVENTURES OF BARON MUNCHAUSEN. She was not only wicked hot in both films, she also proved to have a real presence. There was something odd and fascinating about her. She gave decent performances in a few films, but it was PULP FICTION that finally seemed to figure her out, show her off completely. She seemed poised for stardom after that, but the roles and the films... they just weren’t there. She just didn’t go anywhere. And she started a family, and her priorities seemed to shift, and that’s cool... she sounds like she was happy... but she just wasn’t really on the radar anymore...

Sounds a lot like I’m describing Travolta’s career circa ’94, actually. Quentin’s like that. Carradine and Uma both in this film, as well as Sonny Chiba, Gordon Liu, and Daryl Hannah. All of them are strong screen presences who rarely get a chance to shine, and they’re all given plenty of opportunity here. I think people misunderstand the really smart thing that he does as a writer, his generosity. He tries to create memorable, defining moments for these people, quickly etched impressions that give them room to shine, and when the actors rise to the challenge, the results can absolutely transform an actor for us. By giving everybody such wonderful material to play, he makes his own job easier. He just has to get in there and shoot it. These actors are like hungry people suddenly given food. They seem invested, heart and soul. That’s why the cartoon surface is just one way to watch the film. If you really look into the eyes of The Bride, or Hattori Hanzo, or Vernita Green, or O-Ren Ishii, you see something deeper, something real. This is a cartoon the way THE GOOD, THE BAD, & THE UGLY was a cartoon... myth written in big splashes of color and character and violence and simple motivations with complicated outcomes.

I like the chronology of the film. I think it’s earned in the film’s final moment, when Hattori Hanzo warns, “Revenge is never a straight line. It is a forest. And you can get lost in it.” The Bride seems to have become unstuck in time, and like Terrance Stamp in THE LIMEY, she is meditating on what she has done, what she has become, and where she may be going. This whole first film is a set-up, a precursor to the big show. The last line of this movie is such a brutal, grim suckerpunch that I was shocked he went for it. That’s a cliffhanger. That’s a line to send you reeling out into the lobby, already hungry for the rest of the story. When he shatters the conventional chronology of his films, he does so for effect, not just because it’s “cool.” PULP FICTION, if told in order, would have a totally different impact on the viewer. As it is, the last time we see Vincent Vega and Jules, they’re walking out of that diner, each of them having just faced an epiphany, their lives changed by the events that have just transpired. Watch it told in chronological order and the end is John Travolta gunned down in a bathroom. Not really the same sort of emotional high point. The end of this film is probably the best ping-ponging through past and present I’ve seen since the love scene from OUT OF SIGHT.

Is the film violent? Is it, in fact, “the most violent American film ever made,” as the VILLAGE VOICE put it? Well, no. Not really. I mean, yeah, there are limbs that fly and heads that come off and there’s one move that just floors me (“that WAS a Hattori Hanzo blade”), but it’s certainly not the most violent film I’ve ever seen. It’s a joy for a fan of make-up effects or swordplay. I think it makes the best use of swords in battle since John Milius’s CONAN THE BARBARIAN. I found the battles exhilarating. There is some truly ugly violence in the film as well, which is as it should be. When Uma gets shot in the head at the opening of the film, it’s a graphic splash, but that’s not what makes it hurt. It’s the way she suffers leading up to that splash. It’s what she says just before the trigger is pulled. It counts. Quentin makes it count. And so people react, and they recoil, and they refuse to be disturbed by it. The way I see it, if you’re going to make a revenge movie, then there better be something that is sufficiently horrible to make me understand just why this lead character is driven to such lengths. ROBOCOP did that beautifully. Murphy’s “death” was so incredibly horrible, so sad and awful and lonely and painful that it justified anything he did when he finally caught up to Clarence Boddicker or Emil or any of the others. Here, the Bride’s fury is a righteous fury. They took her life. They took her child from her womb and killed it. The moment when she wakes up and realizes her belly is empty, flat again, and her child is long gone... Uma’s great. Broke my heart. I was willing to forgive her anything she did to these motherfuckers after that. She earns it. Quentin earns it. And so the violence is not gratuitous... it is dance, it is music... it is pure artistic expression. It is expression of emotion, and it is what we wait for. The movie builds from crescendo to crescendo, and it manages to make each new sequence immediately involving. These are classic moments, classic showdowns, classic encounters. Hattori Hanzo’s introduction in Okinawa is surprising because of the sheer warmth that Sonny Chiba projects. I didn’t know he had that side as an actor. I can’t think of another example of him onscreen that comes across so approachable, so charming. Again, Tarantino seems to have reached inside an actor and found something forgotten or unexploited and tossed it up onscreen, and it makes the first viewing of the film a discovery, or even a series of discoveries. I may have a whole different reaction the second time. In fact, I can count on it.

I loved the sequence by Production I.G., and their work here makes me positively rabid to see their new GHOST IN THE SHELL sequel and the recent TV series version as well. I thought The House Of Blue Leaves was incredible, and if I was a little frustrated by the black-and-white version of the fight, I can imagine how it’ll play even better when I get the eventual and inevitable look at the Japanese version of the film that Tarantino has talked about. For now, it’s a minor stylistic choice I disagree with, something I can get past without any hesitation. The energy to the scene is just so persuasive, so non-stop and dangerous. The conclusion to the sequence between Uma and Lucy is striking, beautiful and theatrical and somehow balances a totally artificial look with a very immediate emotional edge.

Julie Dreyfus is a very cool find for Tarantino. I’m unfamiliar with her, but she’s excellent as Sophie Fatale. Go-Go Yubari is not an actress. She’s just Go-Go Yubari. She is like Darth Maul, a villain so well realized on a visual level that an entire imagined subtext seems to erupt, full-blown, around them as you watch, no matter how little actual backstory is explained. When someone is trying to create something iconic, it frequently fails. A manufactured cult film rarely connects because the very nature of cult fans depends on them finding something that’s been misunderstood or overlooked, something they can embrace as their own. My co-writer turned to me as we walked out after the film and said, “That felt like an entire QT Fest or Butt-Numb-A-Thon all jammed into two hours. I’m exhausted.” And he’s right. That’s a great description. It’s like, there’s this cult film that you’ve been reading about for years, one of those things that played in New York in the mid-‘70s and then vanished, something that Danny Peary mentioned in CULT MOVIES 3, and there’s this one print that someone uncovered, and it’s playing at midnight at the Nuart, and you’re not even sure what version it is because there are four or five different cuts, and the one from Europe is TOTALLY fucking crazy, but whatever cut it is, who knows if this is going to screen again, and you and your friends go in a big group and get drunk and it’s one of those perfect movie nights, and the movie... it’s everything you’ve heard all those years, and it’s cooler than you imagined, and holy shit, isn’t that the dude from that one film?!

KILL BILL is like something uncovered, something found, and it works beautifully, both as a film by itself and as a tease for the next movie. It would have been great if both volumes had been in theaters at the same time. I’d go see Volume II sometimes, Volume I sometimes, and I’d organize buddies who felt up to both of them, back to back. This is going to be great on DVD, when you can take it apart, chapter by chapter, and really play with the films. The reason I love this movie the most is because it feels so generous. I won’t lie... I’ve been lucky enough to visit Quentin’s actual home movie theater. One time. And I don’t have any illusions about why it happened. I got invited along as Harry’s ride. We ended up watching a bunch of films. CAT O’NINE TAILS by Dario Argento. JADE CLAW, this insane martial arts film that I haven’t been able to find again. MR. SCARFACE, an Italian crime film with Jack Palance that was wild. And all of them were better than I expected, and Quentin was so proud of being able to screen the prints, and it was just a great evening about movies... generous. It feels like with KILL BILL, Quentin’s finally gotten back to the business of filmmaking, and he’s realized that what he wants to do more than anything is infect us all with that same crazed delirious love of movies that he has. If Volume II is anywhere near as good as Volume I, then he will have succeeded more than even he could have hoped.

And even though I haven’t seen INTOLERABLE CRUELTY or SCHOOL OF ROCK or even (don’t kill me) AMERICAN SPLENDOR yet, I’m going back to KILL BILL on Wednesday night. My dad’s in town, and I want to take him. He’s the one who introduced me to Leone and Carradine and kung-fu movies over the years, the one who loved those things to begin with, and I want to see if Quentin’s crazy cocktail makes him as movie drunk as it made me. Isn’t that the best recommendation you can give a movie? Dragging someone else back to see it again? If so, this one gets my highest rating.

"Moriarty" out.

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  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:35 p.m. CST

    the best QT film...ever?!

    by gravy_suckin_pig

    quite possibly the finest work yet.can't wait for volume 2.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:41 p.m. CST

    KILL BILL kicked my ass!!!

    by DarthHomercles

    Tarantino's most enjoyable outing since PULP FICTION. I hope he keeps making geek movies for years to come. Can't wait until February!

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Some odd choices, but Mor got it right.

    by AlarmAlarm


  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:47 p.m. CST

    did I miss something?

    by superzario

    In the Trailer for the movie Uma fights that old guy and he jumps on her sword, Then they show a black guy swing a sword in an alley. Neither was in the movie I saw. Did I miss something or did the trailer show stuff thats not in Volume 1?

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill Easily the best Movie I've seen this year

    by Krigan

    QT has made four films all of such hi quality that I have trouble picking a favorite. Of course i will have to wait till Feb to truly grade this one but the first half sure did its part.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:48 p.m. CST

    The word is "archetypal", not "archetypical".

    by qualopec

    Look it up.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:51 p.m. CST

    OK, lists both words, but "archetypal" is cooler.

    by qualopec

    So there.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Moriarty and Kill Bill Trailer

    by BarryEgan

    Once again, Moriarty proves why he is the best writer on this site and doesn't jizz all over his computer screen like Harry does when reviewing Tarantino and Peter Jackson films. And also, whoever the genius was that noticed that Pai Mei and Jai White weren't in Volume 1 is very observant. Your ability to observe that is truly spectacular. This is almost as if a AICN talkbacker exclaimed dismay because The Bride doesn't actually Kill Bill!! Wait a second, the film is named Kill Bill and she fails to do so. Think about what you are typing, if a scene doesn't appear in Volume One it will logically be included on the DVD and/or Volume 2. Can I call you Mr. Dumass?

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Plup is a better film...

    by VoteRoslin08

    "Pulp" is a better film, but "Kill Bill" is REALLY REALLY entertaining!

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:57 p.m. CST


    by Mostholy

    I shouldn't even bother posting in this talkback, I guess, but I found KB to be a considerable disappointment. Did people out there really think the action sequences were good? (And I don't trust Harry or Moriarty...they drank the Kool Aid the minute they realized QT was a kindred spirit.) Why so many quick edits? Fountains of bloods do not a good battle make. I already posted my full review elsewhere( but, still, I'm surprised to see so many people getting behind this...I thought it felt like Episode 1 - QT needs someone around him to keep his shiz in line, I'd say.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Right on! He really did kick the shit out of other directors...

    by Jon E Cin

    This movie was a slick motherfucker.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Monstrous disappointment

    by Marcello Rubini

    Kill Bill is a bad movie. There's no way around it. It has no heart. It has no spirit. It has nothing but bland cardboard cutouts spouting microwaved dialouge. Thurman was terrible in it, as was nearly the entire cast, aside from Sonny Chiba. When you get right down to it, Kill Bill isn't art: it's science. This film is one gigantic Frankenstein's monster, cobbled together out of samurai adventures, revenge thrillers and dusty Westerns. It's a cult-movie-in-a-can. Hey, insane Japanese schoolgirl with a mace, crude sex jokes, samurai sword fights, anime, one-eyed assassins AND David Carradine? It's *gotta* be the ultimate film geek experience, right? Wrong. It's completely plastic. Anybody who truly enjoyed this will get the same thrill out of any of the other lifeless action movies being released these days. This was supposed to have fantastic, violent action? It was cut so horribly all of the cool gore gags were marred to hell. The House of Blue Leaves battle was an embarassment to anyone who's seen the Lone Wolf & Cub series or the zillions of great Hong Kong wuxia movies that do this sort of thing so perfectly. The anime sequence was good, and so was the music. Otherwise, this was an obnoxious and cloying artificial creature. It's not like this can't be done. Truffaut payed homage to his favorite movies in Shoot the Piano Player and Soft Skin. Those films were fantastic. What's the difference with Kill Bill? Tarantino has either lost any artistic vision he once had, or he's been replaced with a drone from the same company churning out the '03 Lucas model.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:26 a.m. CST

    In the credits...

    by caminotemplar

    It was a pretty good tag line for the pr, but putting "The fourth film by Quentin Tarentino" in the opening credits was a bit much. It seemed like masturbating to me.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:26 a.m. CST

    This movie sucked hairy assholes.

    by Durendal

    I saw this movie and knew I had to write a trademark review. No, I'm not the Filthy Critic, but I have been inspired by him. I do not use any of his sayings or similies; this is all my own material. I really thought I would enjoy this movie, but I was sorely disappointed. Tarantino has let his ego get the better of him, and it really shows in his latest and far from greatest movie, Kill Bill. When the credits come up, a line reads

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:31 a.m. CST

    all I gotta say is BLAHHHHH

    by Rcamacho2278

    IT's funny how both Harry and Moriety gave matrix reloaded such horrible reviews, and they both GUSH the same way over the lackluster tarantino movie. They were quick to point out the flaws in the matrix, and how the fight scenes were boring and unoriginal , and well, let the hipocrisy be shown. Kill bill has one of the best sword fighting scenes? Does this guy even watch movies? uma did fine in the fight scenes but the majority of the fight scenes were cut quickly, and the choreography was nothing big. I mean didnt we see the SAME thing in crouching tiger hidden dragon minus the heads getting chopped? Like I Said before Kill bill is like Grand theft auto. Take away the gore, and what do you have? a movie that nobody would give 2 shits about. It just pisses me off how much tarantino cock sucking these "movie reviewers" are doing after all the SHIT hes talked.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:37 a.m. CST

    It's a dumb, overpraised vanity piece, and so many shrill identi

    by watashiwadare

    My appreciation of Miike, Fukasaku, Kiyoshi Kurosawa, Kaneko, Tsui Hark, and a ton of other directors who come up with their own ideas doesn't make me a square dweeb who can't handle the genius of the cheese god tarantino. actually it just confirms that when the feverish hype machine takes over as fully as it just did, the perspective of an outsider is more valuable than just being one of the angry hordes, blind leading the blind into tarantino's grocery list of cheese.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:37 a.m. CST

    No, You Know What's REALLY Funny?

    by drew mcweeny

    It's when people decide they're going to attack my opinion without even knowing what that opinion is. I didn't give RELOADED a "horrible review," Mr. Conspiracy Freak. In fact, check out this link: and tell me what's so overwhelmingly negative about that review. Tell me how it's all a big plot to pull down the MATRIX somehow. Try to convince people that I'm biased based on that largely positive review. Go ahead. I'm fascinated.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:40 a.m. CST

    you're right, you aren't the filthy critic

    by ReDWasK

    great, you're fantastic, here's a fuckin cookie i love the review though, that is, Moriarty's. The first post said is best, Moriarty does write the best here at aintitcool, but i just wanted to comment on the black and white sequence. I thought it worked, it worked so much that we got a break from the red spray of blood, and maybe it was done like that as a tribute or nod to another film, or more likely films, but for me it was perfect. I don't think i would have wanted to see one of o-rhen's hencemen sliced down into two in glorious technicolor, the black and white just worked. The owner of the store turning the lights off, allowing for a gorgeous silohuette battle, just works in that it was gorgeous as well. I think that fact is Tarentino gets away with this, where as no other director could. No one else has the balls to do this shit. And for that, Tarentino owns the theatres, at least for the next couple of months.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1 a.m. CST

    The more I think about it...

    by RenegadeBushido

    the more I like Kill Bill. When I walked out of it a few days ago I couldn't get over the black and white that ambushed the audience halfway through the fight. Between then and now I also realized that this only half of a movie. Would you feel the same way about Pulp Fiction if you only saw the first half? I wouldn't after missing both the cleanup scenes with Harvey Kietel and the diner scene. So why are people hating the first half of Kill Bill? When was the first half of a movie ever better than the second part? Okay, Jeepers Creepers is one but the only one I can think of right now. In the second half we have the revelations, the drama, and the more climactic battles. Before this turns into another "why there was black and white" talk back room could any one tell me why they took the entire chapter "Yuki's Revenge" from the damn movie (or so I've heard). From what I read and what interpretted that chapter had THREE referrences to Battle Royale. Perhaps that was too much of a stretch, since in volume one many of the things Yuki did in the script were done by Go Go instead, making the twin sisters into one character. And now, my final feeling about Kill Bill, it's a bittersweet thing for me. Although it draws more attention to violent Asian movies, it draws more attention to violent Asian movies. I just want for once to belong to an underground niche that stays an underground niche. I used to like Pokemon when it was just the gameboy game and the fledgling show none but a few believed in, before all the damn seven year olds took it. I used to like Counter-Strike before all the campers took it (I remember when the Siege map had a car!). And now I and many others who like Asian movies in our own underground have to watch as all the damn, idea dry, money grubbing producers and writers take after Mr. Tarantino's passion for these movies and shell out greed driven (instead of labor of love driven), Americanized Battle Royales, Auditions, and Versus' TO THE X-TREME!!! Now that just sucks.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Julie Dreyfuss Looks Like Monica Belluci

    by Jervis Tetch

    ...which is a very good thing.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Moriarty's Review

    by Fernwick_

    I was wondering the same thing Mori probably was. I remember thinking Mori's review of Reloaded was the only thought out insightfull review I had read. So maybe Harry's seems biased but I cant say the same for Mori. The problem with Harry's Matrix Review is you could tell it was coming weeks before it was written. It seemed he had a built up irritation for the film at least thats how I took his " prereview writings". But I agree that KB was all that I expected it to be, and I left DYING to see David Carradine. And who the hell thought that would happen?

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:19 a.m. CST

    my two cents

    by Renata

    I went to see MYSTIC RIVER but it was sold out at the Grove all Sunday, so I (admittedly, reluctantly) caught KILL BILL. It was a movie I could've waited to see, though I had planned to. Was it great? No. Was it fun? Yeah. Was it trashy? Yeah. Did it mean to be? Of course. It's trashy and fun in a way few movies usually are: that is, proudly. Most (like MATRIX RELOADED) are trash but give you lacaquer themselves in thudding profundity as to be laughable. KILL BILL can laugh at itself. What are the amazing things? The music, for one, is astounding. The movie is technically very good. What's not so good? The dialogue felt more arch than usual, and had a blandness I didn't associate with Tarantino. There was also surprising little of it. And the one moment when there was, between The Bride and the Sword Master, went nowhere. Much has already been writen about the action. I have to admit, I didn't find the scenes themselves overly impressive. Maybe after so much Westernization of the same martial arts choreographer in everything from CROUCHING TIGER to DAREDEVIL, i just felt like I had seen a lot of it before. What I did find extraordinary was the build up to the action scenes, in particular the one in the HOuse of Blue Leaves. Just amazing suspense and energy. However, with the sequence with the 88 assassins being so prolonged and extravagant, it made the final showdown with Lucy Liu somewhat anticlimactic. Overall, I had a good time. Occasionally, a great time. But it wasn't a great movie. It doesn't redefine anything. It reinforces a director's fetishistic love of a genre in a way not seen since Tim Burton's MARS ATTACKS. That's either a good thing or bad thing, depending on which side of the aisle you sit on, I guess.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:24 a.m. CST

    I'm not seein' this until the next part shows - getting sick o d

    by flipster

    straight the fuck up. Enough. Show a four hour film or get off the pot, cuz my dollars are not going to part 1/part 2 films. Fuck! Enough already! Burn Hollywood Burn

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:36 a.m. CST


    by Integra

    Sorry I didnt think this was such a great film. The story is very cliche, and I really didnt care at all for any of the characters, which are two aspects that Crouching Tiger did very well. Additionally, the editing of the actions scenes was all quick flashy edits, I felt like I was watching a Michael Bay kung fu film. Whatever happened to long master shots where you let the stunts play out forthemselves, instead of relying on the editing? For his professed love of film, maybe Tarantino should watch Kurosawa's Ran again to see how impressive action is done well. No attatchment to the characters or good kinetics to the choreography, save your money and wait for it on cable.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Oh shit, RCAMacho!

    by HardcoreRocker

    Moriarty fucked you up on that one. That having been said, I saw it. I acknowledged what I liked and what I was disappointed with in my review. But overall I still liked it. And the difference between this vanity work and Reloaded is that it's just a better movie. The vanity doesn't get as much in the way as it did in Reloaded. Both were enjoyable on some levels, but Kill Bill was never boring, which is more than I can say for Reloaded.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:39 a.m. CST


    by Liquid_Daze

    So it comes down to this... Every regular "reviewer" for Ain't It Cool gets their own Kill Bill section. I liked the movie, a lot. Quentin Tarantino never breaks the first rule, his films are never boring (at least to me). But wouldn't it make sense to combine all the site reviews for this flick -ala League Of Assholes- into one section? It just smacks of, "Yeah I know there's already a couple of reviews up, positive ones at that, but I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN DYING TO TO KNOW WHAT I THINK. Your ten dollars shant wander lest ye knoweth how my jizz flows forth for this film." Nobody loves Tarantino's films more than Tarantino --> as it should be.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:47 a.m. CST

    ...Quentin really threw down the gauntlet to other action direct

    by AlwaysThere


  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Pulp Fiction, in order...

    by The Guy Who Nods

    Actually, if Pulp were in order, the last scene would be Ving Rhames taking a shot in the ass. I believe the film, in chronological order, would be as follows: 1. Capt. Coons 2.Jungle Boogie 3. shoot out over the briefcase 4. Marvin's brains blown out. 5. Jimmie's house, w/ The Wolf 6. Butch Vincent and Jules at Marsellus's club 7. Jules and Vincent in the diner spliced w/ Pumpkin and Honey Bunny 8. Lance's house 9. picking up Mia 10. Jack Rabbit Slim's 11. The over dose 11. Butch escaping in the taxi 12. Butch in motel room w/ Fabienne 13. Butch gets the watch and kills Vincent 14. Hits Marsellus Wallace 15. The pawn shop rape 16. Rides off with Fabienne on motorcycle THE END. Sorry, just thinking out loud, so to speak.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill Vol. 1

    by Neos_Sou

    Ya damn skippy Mo'. i absolutely loved Kill Bill and vol. 2 can't be too far off. It was a great thing to see QT back and back with something like Kill Bill. The movie worked...i loved was classic Tarantino...

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:33 a.m. CST

    soundtrack question?

    by thevision

    KILL BILL was over the top and I loved it! Best scene was Lucy Liu dispatching yakuza leader after he made racist "chinese jap-american" comment- Lucy rocks! Anyway, the stare-down scene between Uma and Lucy in the snow-WAS THE 70'S SOUNDING TRACK IN THE BACKGROUND ORIGINAL FOR THE MOVIE OR DID IT COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE- I LOVED IT! Does anybody know?

  • Or is that too busy?

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Sir Biatch, I was with you...

    by HardcoreRocker

    ...until the weird Michael Jackson post. As a man who thinks his shit was some of the best EVER, and he is one of the best dancers EVER, you have to admit he's totally fallin off. Invincible sucked SOOOOO badly that it made me cry. Seriously. And even if he's not a child molester, he's still fucking weird and has kids around him constantly. And the baby thing? And the towels over babies' heads? And his bankruptcy? And everything else about him? Dude, the man is fucked up. He's beyond being a brother. He's just "Michael, that fucked-up guy who used to make great music, but now is teaming up with Irv Gotti and R. Kelly for a new album." Ugh.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:56 a.m. CST

    some talkbackers....

    by Key Chung

    ... surprise me. so much so that it makes me re-evaluate who i think goes onto this site..... This movie was great. everything worked. the stark opening, the story, the acting, the comedy, the anime, the sword acquisition scene, all the the fight scenes (holy cow did that work.) i'm a little surprised that people are comparing house of blue leaves to cthd, because the latter was not a samurai picture. kb, at that moment was. and i especially liked the last fight between uma and lucy. it was so japanese. still one moment and all slashing metal the next. after all the carnage of the previous fight, you need something quiet and personal to end the movie. and the anime was great. in that brief chapter, you saw qt totally get anime's unique qualities. he didn't just do it for no reason. its almost as if kb is a reaction to the matrix. some might say influenced by the matrix, but i don't think you can make a case for saying it was ripping it off. hardly any cgi in the movie. like the last cu of lucy could have easily been done with cgi, and would have looked more realistic, but he chose to use make-up only. i must say that this is the best action movie to come out in a looong while. i understand that certain people don't like it, but fer me, it was qt making a movie for the diehard action film fan. after making more accessible (and some might argue, artistically credible) films, he goes and makes a hardcore action film. in fact, if it had not been as good as it was, i would have been a lot more pissed off that they split it into 2. as it stands, I can deal with it and eagerly await vol 2, but in theory, I don't like it.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Great review Mori!

    by Daryl van Horn

    I thought I would enjoy Kill Bill on a visceral level. I thought I would enjoy a few cool QT moments. (The man can make a simple shot of a guy walking down the street look cool so I figured there would be some cool moments) My wife didn't even really want to see it (but she wuvs me haha) and.......well little did we both know. We both left that theater completely awed. This was superb. Almost every single shot had that 'cool', was beautiful and well thought out. The switching from harsh dramatic moments to cheezy fun, the sheer respectful beauty of the quieter moments, the use of music that is so diverse barely a song or sound connected with the others....the action sequences......all of it worked together. (Especially the music. Dear god does this man now what to pick, where to use it and when to go for silence!!)It all worked brilliantly. Which technically shouldn't be the effect of all that, but he MADE it work. Been a while since my wife and I left the theater how we SHOULD: in awe! I had not expected it but this movie blew me away. I cannot wait for the second part. Tarantino is a master storyteller even when there is hardly any story!

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Wanted to hate it, but I loved it!

    by Silver Shamrock

    Best movie I've seen all year. To analyze it any further is to weaken the raw power of the images and sounds I experienced.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 4:34 a.m. CST

    What ever happened to Harry's proposal?

    by ELGordo

    About not reviewing big budget studio films because of the screener debacle?

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 4:50 a.m. CST


    by Mad Skills

    That is exactly the feeling I had after seeing it, I have to see this again, this time with a different group. And it's only increased the second time. I don't think this is another Raiders or anything, but it's one of the most stylistically exhilarating films I've seen in a long time. You may have seen a lot of the material before, but when you see it all together with that Tarantino spin, it feels new, and it makes it fun. It also makes me want to go out and see more grindhouse movies & westerns. I compare it a lot to Moulin Rouge. You've heard all the songs before, but that doens't stop you from getting into the movie and humming along. And somehow, with that Luhrman twist, it feels entirely new. Taht movie also makes you wnat to go out and see more musicals, the same way Kill Bill makes you wnat to see more action films. GJ QT, can't wait for Vol. II so I can get that feeling all over again.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill Gave Me a Seizure

    by Mars1

    Yup, the house of Blue Leaves B&W fight sequence gave me a full blown seizure (rare event for me at the movies-thank goodness)If you're a woman and you've got to come to in a hospital after a movie, this is the one-(<G>)I did manage to refrain from slamming the orderly's head in a door, but I was tempted... Other than getting popcorn goop from the cinema floor in my hair, I had a great time. Those scenes was just a little too fast paced and jerky for my wiring. I'm hoping this does not happen to a lot of "normal" people, as non geeks tend to get hysterical about such minor film viewing inconveniences as occipital lobe epilepsy...

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Q: How does The Bride ambush Vernita Green???

    by jackson healy

    I mean, if I knew The Bride had a hard on for MY ass, I'd've been packing an M-5 automatic and wearing kevlar body armor. And I sure as hell wouldn't have my daughter ride the bus home unescorted, in fact, I'd've shipped little Nikki to grandma's, and I wouldn't be having friends like Sarah dropping by. But that could just be me.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 6:50 a.m. CST


    by Henry's Cat

    Thank you Moriarty for inventing this word.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 6:58 a.m. CST

    man that "new rule" shit...

    by CuervoJones


  • Oct. 14, 2003, 7:39 a.m. CST


    by TheGinger Twit

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 7:49 a.m. CST

    iTyler Durden bitchin' about spoilers...

    by Bad Guy

    You want a "spoiler warning"?? On the home page, right above the title, "Moriarty reviews Kill Bill", it says, "SPOILER!" You must've missed it, huh? Great movie, BTW! I was anticipating this movie the way that some of you are anticipating the next LOTR, and I was not disappointed. Bring on Vol. 2!!

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 8:01 a.m. CST

    This movie will suck on DVD, unless...

    by superzario

    I just have to say, Kill Bill is the reason I love movies! It was a larger than life movie experience that worked on every level. Every sceen looked like it was made to be seen on the big screen, and anything less then 30' will just suck the life out of it. That said I will buy it on DVD. This movie will be the reason I buy a Piano Avanti projector. (Before anyone decides to be an assclown I know most movie sceens are ment to be seen on a big screen, jerky)

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Did anyone else think......?

    by MJAYACE

    That after Uma chopped Lucy's secretary's arm off she would have been dead in like three seconds. She must have a heart the size of a bowling ball to pump that fast. I know, I know it was supposed to be corny and surreal but I couldn't help thinking that as I watched. The reviews kind of built my expectations up too much, but overall I rank it below Pulp Fiction, about even w/ Resevoir Dogs and above Jackie Brown. Out here.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Trivia Question

    by Buck_Turgidson

    If Pulp Fiction played chronologically, what would the last words of the movie be? Discuss.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 9:20 a.m. CST

    So WILL the color be restored for the DVD?

    by Drath

    I assume like others that it was to please those bitches at the MPAA, but I really didn't like that fight being in B&W and I should think he can change it back for the DVD. Right?!

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 9:32 a.m. CST


    by raw_bean

    "Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead."

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Trivia Question

    by Van Damned

    "Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead" Anyone want to baby-sit, sos I can go see this film already, before Volume 2 comes out fer chrissakes? To be honest, I'll probably catch a matinee of this, as it feels like a matine movie. As did most of the 70s exploitation films. Fun but not a 'night out on the town' kind of film. Not that I don't enjoy matinees...

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 9:52 a.m. CST

    The end of Pulp Fiction wouldn't be John Travolta dead, it would

    by bobleeswagger

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Thoughts of Bill

    by Larry Jay

    About /4 of the way through the movie, somewhere around the anime sequence of the origin of O-Rin, the thought intruded in my mind. The thought was MASTERPIECE. Without a doubt this is Tarantino's best work yet. A glorious mismash of everything that makes a movie great. Pure alchemy. I was awestruck. Still am. Can't wait for the weekend so I can dose myself again. ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 9:59 a.m. CST


    by johnquay

    Shooting a pregnant woman in the head while she lies helpless on the floor is okay, but finishing off the job while she

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 10:02 a.m. CST


    by johnquay

    I should have typed: "Bite a man

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 10:08 a.m. CST


    by zer0cool2k2

    I'm glad I don't feel the need to post my own reviews of everything and prove how smart I am. That way I can just go in and enjoy a film whether it's art or not. Haven't got to Kill Bill yet, but I think I'll dig it just as moriarty does. Sure, Reloaded disappointed me a little, but that was only because I was blown away by the first Matrix (Ok geekboys, that's your cue to tell me how unoriginal and cheesy The Matrix was). I still enjoyed Reloaded though, and will be buying it today. So far, both LOTR movies have been enjoyable, but haven't hit me like the Original Trilogy did. And being hot doesn't always mean having a swimsuit model body, and a cover girl face. Uma just emits hotness, and has an interesting look. The same can be said for Lucy, they just have something about them. And anyone who wants to drag Columbine into a talkback about Freakin' movies, well you're just too big an asshole for me to respect your opinion. .......... And if you're all such film experts, how come you don't know that the black & white sequence was indeed to get an R rating from the MPAA? And the Japanese version is to have this scene in color.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill was great

    by 007-11

    I'm still debating whether or not it was cool. This is one of those movies that can be perceived in so many different ways that it's hard to really define it. There certainly are a lot of cool moments. The only movie I can kind of compare this to, and this is really abstract, is Moulin Rouge. Mainly for the shifting emotions on screen, one moment it's fun and light, next it's sad and heavy. This film is really brutal in almost every way, not so much in violence, but in the portrayal of things. I wonder if the anime sequence was made completely out of want or necessity. I think we can all agree that if that scene had been live action this would have gotten an automatic NC-17. But since it was animated they could get away with it, like how King of the Hill, Simpsons, and Family Guy are able to get away with a lot. If a live action Homer strangled a live action Bart people would be up in arms. That aside, everyone in this movie is great, especially Uma. If Ethan Hawke did cheat on her then he officially takes the title of "dumb bastard of the universe" from Chris Judd. I hope this makes a lot of money, but I also hope Hollywood doesn't take it's action cues from it. It just wouldn't work out. This film passed the one test I had for it, it was better than Matrix Reloaded.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 10:19 a.m. CST


    by Glass

    You're funny, you gave me a good're a moron, but you're funny, and that's why I like you. The things you mentioned are in fact points, but I think in the end you are missing the point entirely. Do you really think QT doesn't plot and plan every single inch of text and subtext until he is completely satisfied? He knows what he's doing, buddy. Now it's up to you to figure it out. Leave the details to the master, sit your ass on the chair, and watch one of the best films in the history of American cinema.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Cutting a movie in half

    by superzario

    I'm suprised so many people are against this. Back when the first Harry Potter came out and they said over an hour of footage was cut so the movie would not be too long, I thought it would be a great idea to split it in half. Think of all the great books that get butchered because you can't turn 1,500 written pages into a two hour movie. Knowing this movie was to be cut in two I had no problem with it. I thought it played out great. I was concerned it would have a blah ending that just cut off, like LOTR FOTR. The ending had a nice punch that left me waiting for more. When this comes out on DVD I want it presented as two movies, Vol 1 and Vol 2. I said presented I still would like to only pay 19.99 one time for it, but I'll pay twice if I have to. I don't think it needs to be edited together.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Has anyone ever heard the phrase...

    by boohallsmalls

    in my opinion? i swear the amount of blanket statements from talkbackers, especially negative ones (on any movie) is ridiculous. as if you are the end all and be all of movie taste and knowledge. In your opinion the movie sucked. stop thinking that some how you are an authority and relaize you are speaking for yourself and from your own personal tastes. As i see it (just another way to say in my opinion) the majority of the people ive talked to who didn't like Kill Bill, were only disappointed by their own expectations. you read every freaking article and the script and come up with your own little movie in your head and when the director does something different you piss your panties. It happened with reloaded, it happens with every sequal or comic book film or film based on prior material and now its happening with kill bill. seriously folks get over yourselves. if you didn't like the movie, fine, but shut the fuck up about it, don't see it again. but don't take it so personally, or get so damn pissed about it. there is no reason to be incendiary towards any of the people who made or liked this or any movie. seriously. just pathetic.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Well Done, Moriarty

    by esbanks303

    Why is it that nearly everyone on this site (ESPECIALLY HARRY) must compare watching a movie to having sex and/or masturbating? Is it because these people never actually HAVE sex and spend their ENTIRE LIVES masturbating? I guess that must be it...Anyway, Moriarty, another FINE review of a fine film. Sometimes I think you're the only one on this entire website who doesn't sound like a drooling 15 year old boy watching his first porno when you review movies.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Show Uma posing with sword. Cut to distant shot of shorter/stoc

    by timmer33

    Ridiculous casting.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Devil Cat, you're RIGHT ON about AICN

    by ZuZuPetals

    This site started with a couple of losers being the first to dig up cool news on behind the scenes stuff and movies. I liked it. But after they realized they could spout off their opinion and people would listen it became the "LOOK AT ME" site with Moriarty and Harry heading up one of the biggest examples of hipocracy in history. As for the "LOOK AT ME" syndrome, notice how even with the smallest, one-liner, movie news posted to the site Harry feels the need to put his super-winded, bloated opinion in GIANT BLUE TEXT IN FRONT of the postees humble info so you almost HAVE to read Harry first. Go to CHUD folks. Same news, same speed or better, and you don't HAVE to put up with anyone using their "Movie News" site as a personal space to get attention... and THAT"S THE BOTTOM LINE!**********************************oh, i liked Kill Bill too.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Devil Cat, you're RIGHT ON about AICN

    by ZuZuPetals

    This site started with a couple of losers being the first to dig up cool news on behind the scenes stuff and movies. I liked it. But after they realized they could spout off their opinion and people would listen it became the "LOOK AT ME" site with Moriarty and Harry heading up one of the biggest examples of hipocracy in history. As for the "LOOK AT ME" syndrome, notice how even with the smallest, one-liner, movie news posted to the site Harry feels the need to put his super-winded, bloated opinion in GIANT BLUE TEXT IN FRONT of the postees humble info so you almost HAVE to read Harry first. Go to CHUD folks. Same news, same speed or better, and you don't HAVE to put up with anyone using their "Movie News" site as a personal space to get attention... and THAT"S THE BOTTOM LINE!**********************************oh, i liked Kill Bill too.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Paying twice to see one movie ...

    by Fizzgig99

    This is my first talk back, but I felt complelled to voice my frustration with Kill Bill being split. I simply cannot believe how few people care that Miramax took one 3-hour movie and chopped it in half so they could make twice as much money (not to mention releasing it as two DVDs). I refuse to pay $18-$20 to see a movie, and many of my freinds feel the same way. We are DYING to see Kill Bill. We spent much of our weekend debating whether or not to see it. But in the end, I will not encourage studios to charge double and triple admission to movies that could easily be shown as one long movie (meaning 2 1/2 to 3 hours or so - NOT a 9 hour LOTR). Why not start chopping all highly-anticipated long movies into three or four parts? If you're really a fan of LOTR, you won't mind paying $9 to see each hour of Return of the King. Kill Bill Volumes 1 and 2 are only the beginning ...

  • Seriously, when I saw that screen with the "psychedelic" moving circles of colored light saying "OUR FEATURE PRESENTATION" and heard that funky music I found myself grinning from ear to ear. I recognized it as what I'd seen dozens of times in drive-in theaters way back then. It set the tone for Kill Bill, Vol. 1 just that easily, and I knew I was going to love it. Set the Way-Back Machine, Sherman, we're going for a Trip to the 1970s! Only, QT goes one better with this grindhouse epic, and I do mean EPIC. In spite of some devices I didn't understand and didn't think worked, like the black & white segment of the fight (which I still got used to pretty quickly) and the anime backstory to O-ren Ishii, which I thought looked crude in its style of drawing (but that's just my personal anime preference.) This is also like some violent Japanese manga brought to the screen, just as The Fifth Element was like a Heavy Metal story brought to the screen. You have to take it as that or you just won't enjoy it, period. IF you don't like that kind of storytelling, DON'T GO SEE IT.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I left Kill Bill wondering why I didn't like it.

    by Movietool

    I love old kung-fu movies. I love QT movies. I love sword fights and anime and streaming fountains of blood, but I didn't like Kill Bill. I think I finally figured it out -- I went to go see a great kung-fu revenge movie, and I left feeling like I had just spent two hours watching Quentin trying to convince me that I was watching a great kung-fu revenge movie.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Is It Just Me Or...

    by MyWord

    do the writers at AICN write really long reviews with too much emotional input and comparisons and very little about say the movies production values, acting, direction, special effects. Cut it a lil' shorter fellas. I get a felling most of you don't even do various drafts of your reviews before you post them. Think from the audiences point of view, do they really need to know all this?

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Bitching Bitches

    by dwam0

    Johnquay saw that the Emperor Had No Clothes. That's cool. You had to suspend belief to the cartoon level for this film. Don't think to hard about the holes//// I think the music was put together by RZA, at least that's what the credits said///The song for the snow fight at the end was, I think, the beginning of the disco version of "Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood,'' ( I'm just a boy who's intentions are good, oh lord, please don't let me be misunderstood)///The first fight scene caught the audience off guard at my screening, amazingly fast and brutal. The fight at the House of Blue Leaves left some people bored. I know that the length of the fight, the sloppy wire work was an homage but it seemed out of place with the great Go-Go fight and the tight wire work/// I'm glad that the role of Sophie was expanded (we were all laughing out loud when she rolled down the hill to the hospital)// I'm still sad that Go-Go's sister won't get her revenge ( why was it taken out if the film is in two parts?)/// I wanted to see more Sonny Chiba. He was really giving off that Toshiro Mifune vibe. The comedy between him and Gordon Liu (?) was so lively that all that came after it kind of fell flat, but what can you do?///I loved the animation for O-Ren story, the story was good and it set her up as a formidable enemy. The fact that she figured out to have her Crazy 88s wear the Bride down before she fought her was a great set up for the Bride to get beat. HOWEVER, what we needed was some reason why or how the Bride found it in herself to get back up and take on O-Ren in the snow. /// This film, which is only half a movie, does rank below all that has come before it. Only because it is so paper thin. Because of the kind of movie it is, it can't measure up to the depth that came before it. It's a fun movie - no more, no less.//// ON A DIFFERENT NOTE - Where the hell is "Hero???" "Infernal Affairs?" " Battle Royale," I want to see these on the big screen.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:05 p.m. CST


    by Darth Phallus

    For real...

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:14 p.m. CST

    fizgig, just see it during the day!

    by Silver Shamrock

    I only had to pay 4.75 cuz it was daytime price. No real skin off my nose.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:21 p.m. CST

    What I thought about Kill BIll

    by Halloween68

    I liked it. 'Found it very entertaining. However, the martial arts, kung fu enthusiast in me couldn't help but cringe every time I saw Uma Thurman and Lucy Liu (Vivica Fox actually wasn't bad) in a fight scene. And it looked like Uma had the stunt double used from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. When you couldn't see her face, she was huge and rippingly muscular. Okay, I'm nitpicking, but I wonder if I'm the only one who continues to wonder why Hollywood puts people who haven't a clue about martial arts in martial arts roles. While everything had a cool look to it, and it was shot very well (don't get me wrong either, the choreography was brilliant), Uma especially looked very awkward and uncoordinated whenever she had to swing a punch or swing a sword. Again, I enjoyed the film very much. I especially enjoyed the style and throwback look of the whole film. The scenes with Sonny Chiba were awesome. I appreciated all the Shaws Bros. stuff too. I suppose Uma's lack of physical prowess could be intended, especially since David Caradine is the main villain. But still, I found it distracting. Take that as you may. It's still a very entertaining film. My last comments aside, the fight scene with Go Go was "WOW". Chiaki was righteous.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Johnquay, Well Said

    by Rebeck

    You're absolutely right, but obviously logic of any kind means nothing to these people who have decided that Tarantino is a genius no matter what he does. They start with the genius premise and just work backwards. Why did he do that? Well, he must know what he's doing - he's a certified genius, so whatever he does... I have never seen such slavish and disproportionate fanaticism over one mildly talented but emotionally stunted director. QT is just a Michael Bay that's never gotten laid.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:33 p.m. CST

    It's not "entropy," it's "atrophy"!

    by HardcoreRocker

    I was explaining to a friend who didn't understand why she couldn't move that her legs had atrophied. Then, Uma says, "As I lay in the back of Buck's pickup truck, trying to will my limbs out of entropy..."...say what?!!? Good call on that one, Johnquay, I noticed that too.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:38 p.m. CST

    to all those who didn't like Kill Bill...

    by boohallsmalls

    thats your perogative. but i think you are wasting your time, you are fighting the wrong fight. nit picking at Kill Bill to prove how much you "know" about movies isn't going to help anyone. neither is berating the AICN team because the sight has changed since you first started reading it. Kill Bill, whether you liked it or not, is better than 90% of the drivel that infests our movie screens these days. As self proclaimed film lovers, don't you think you should be using your powers of analysis for purposes other than railing against those who have hurt your fan boy feelings? Why put down QT, or the Wachowskis or hell even Lucas for that matter, when films like Crossroads and From Justin to Kelly are being made. At least QT and Lucas try to put out a product that has some meaning, they have a dream, a passion for what they do, they are not just looking for the quick buck. so whatever feelings you have about their films (me? I loved Kill Bill, hated both star wars prequels) their are offenders far worse than either of those or many other filmmakers could even hope to be. Their is a studio system designed to keep intellegent film down, because they think most people are dumb and wont but tickets to intellegent films. and they may be right, but why dumb them down, when we can try and raise them up. I challenge every negative speaking person here to get off their couch and focus that anger at the people who really deserve it, people who continually make absolute garbage, atrocities of the art of filmmaking just becasue they can paid for it. i thought you people were supposed to be film lovers. leave the films alone and go after the movies instead.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:47 p.m. CST


    by Renata

    any truth they want Tarantino to pony up and pay for all the overages incurred on Vol. 2?

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by hattori_hanzo

    the definition of entropy, from states that: Entropy 1.A measure of the disorder or randomness in a closed system. 2.The tendency for all matter and energy in the universe to evolve toward a state of inert uniformity. 3.Inevitable and steady deterioration of a system or society. i believe number 3 was the definition being referred to in the movie.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Tarantino et al

    by mansala

    We should encourage filmmakers who are ambitious and who take risks in their films. When a filmmaker takes a risk, i.e. tries deliberately to be different, this person deserves our respect because we ought to encourage creativity. Some people complain that Tarantino is an egotistical maniac and shows off too much in Kill Bill. But at least he has the balls to capture his intuition of what many people have not seen in film and is ambitious as hell. Most people around me have little idea of what it takes to be yourself.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Talkbackers, please help!

    by Hud

    I am starting a band called Uma's Feet. Does anybody have any songs I can borrow?

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by johnquay

    The definition of "atrophy," from is as follows: atrophy noun 1: a decrease in size of an organ caused by disease or disuse [syn: wasting, wasting away] 2: any weakening or degeneration (especially through lack of use) [syn: withering] verb : undergo atrophy; "Muscles that are not used will atrophy".. I believe this is the word that Tarantino *thought* he was using.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:46 p.m. CST

    about paying twice for one movie

    by ReDWasK

    for starters, not only do i not mind paying twice, that is, one for each volume, but i'll pay more than that, for I'll see it again tonite. And isn't Matrix 2 and 3 supposidely one big movie? I am well aware that it was meant to be, but the Wachowskis too don't have a complete movie with reloaded. also, i like pie.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill let me down

    by Luca Turilli

    Come on guys, how can you say that this was really that good? I'm not going to player hate and act like it didnt have cool parts, but as a whole, it was a pretty lame action flick. One of the other aspects about the movie that I didnt like was how the movie had really scaring, disturbing violence at the beginning, then it got to the fun cartoony fighting. The very opening scene was so scary and realistic that I had to "go the bathroom" I know I'm a pussy, but I was really expecting a fun and gory Shaw Bros. romp like Return of The Venoms or Golden Arm with Riki-Oh effects. And on another note: The fights were weak! I figured QT (being a fan of the old-schoolers) would have shot the fights with long takes... Oh well.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:07 p.m. CST

    I liked it

    by Drath

    Well I did! Big whoop, right? It was no religious experience, but I find that it never works to expect that sort of thing so I don't anymore. I think my favorite part of the movie, the part that was most dead on what I wanted to see and what I keep thinking about afterwards, was the short exchange at the end where O-Ren apologized. Not for killing the Bride, her child, and the wedding party, oh no. Just for berating her as an opponent. And the Bride accepted. Don't know why that felt so right. Maybe because that's the least O-Ren could do? Maybe because that was one of the few moments where two people in the movie actually talked to each other and were understood. It got me. Yes, the flick was a total fantasy, it is a shameless popcorn thrill ride. But unlike a Michael Bay movie, it also connected with me. That was appreciated. *********** Totally forgot about that entropy part. I was scratching my head as well. But now I think QT might have been aware that atrophy was the right word. I mean given the definition of "entropy," it *could* be a play on words. Then again, maybe QT goofed. Anyway, here's the on-line definition of entropy so you can decide for yourselves:

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:14 p.m. CST


    by Malan

    Luca, I think the problem is that you went in expecting more of a hollywood blockbuster action movie than Kill Bill was ever meant to be.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:14 p.m. CST

    "I don

    by Sheamus

    Yeah, sure. ZZZZZzzzzzz.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by Durendal

    I swear, Tarantino could film himself taking a steamy shit and people would shoot their wads over it because it's TARANTINO!!! Try going into the theater with an objective mindset. I thought I would be seeing a movie with an okay storyline and some cool action and gore. I was disappointed on both fronts. Tarantino was probably too busy fucking groupies over the past six years to come up with anything, so he rammed his finger down his throat and barfed up Kill Bill for a really quick movie.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Harry can say what he likes about Reloaded, he obviously did not

    by Silver_Joo

    I was annoyed that he could criticise a point in the movie which he had not seen. Also, the moaning about Tarantino using black and white - I can understand that seeming pretentious and out of synch. Yet Harry liked thta, yet could not understand why Reloaded has different lighting to the first Matrix - perhaps it has to do with its philosophical underpinnings, Neo's new found awareness, and the fact that he does not see life and human figures in shadow anymore? If we can allow Bill to run away with pretentious moments, why should Reloaded be blasted? 5/11/03!

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:51 p.m. CST


    by Malan

    Johnquay. I could reply to all your points, but for the sake of time, I'll select two. The it's ok to shoot a pregnant woman in the head while she's helpless on the floor point: Saying it is not ok (By Bill's standard) to kill the bride at that moment is like saying it is not ok by his standard to actually finish off an assassination. Granted, the fact that she was pregnant makes the whole thing only a step above assassination while in coma. But samurai attacked their ennemies in the night, only they'd wake them up to give them time to reach for a weapon which is only a step above killing them in their sleep as they are completely unprepared and confused. Hospital stuff point: One word night watch so the bodies might not have been discovered until the morning watch and if she managed to hid them maybe even latter (especially since people would at first think he left). And it is highly possible that no one even knows which car is his. It's an underground basement after all and the man was probably not part of the staff for long. I don't think he could have gotten away with what he does for too long. And who the hell said the guy she bit on the lip died of blood loss? The poker face point: Not every one reacts like characters in hollywood movies do when a loved one dies (That is to say immediately burst into tears or any other immediate reaction). Sometimes it is so abrupt that what happened only realy hits the person hours or days later. And other times the flood of emotions is so great and confusing that they just don't know how to react. Hence, her face is not a poker face (meaning that emotion are hidden on purpose). Her face is the face of a child who had not expected to lose her mother that day. Hollywood movies just tend to make people react in generic ways because that's what people expect.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Technically "entropy" is appropriate

    by 007-11

    I was thrown to, but I checked and one of the definitions shown was "Inevitable and steady deterioration of a system or society.". So technically it is right. I wish he had just used "atrophy", but whatever. It's not that big of a deal.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:17 p.m. CST


    by Glass

    Thank you for the clarity. I agree with everything you said. I don't even bother to respond to the complaints about the kid seeing her mother die, b/c they are absolutely ridiculous. Another point you fail to make regarding it is that the kid was probably scared shitless and didn't want to make the mean lady mad. There are so many reactions to trauma - pinning them all on one emotion is absurd. Also, the bleeding from the lip thing: that is the only point I completely agree with JohnQuay about. Why leave that guy's death to our imagination? But who cares? The movie rocks.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:26 p.m. CST

    why its ok to kill a pregnant woman but not one in a coma.

    by boohallsmalls

    just a thought, even by an assasin's fucked up view on the value of life, its a respect thing. a woman awake, pregnant or not, has the chance to defend herself. a woman in a coma does not. its one of the many issues of respect and honor prevelant in many martial arts flicks and in Kill Bill. BTW the Tobe Hooper Texas Chainsaw Massacre SE DVD has the crappiest packaging ever.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:42 p.m. CST

    "watch one of the best films in the history of American cinema"

    by minderbinder

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill movie reference list (please contribute)

    by jmachinder

    Some people love it, some people don

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:54 p.m. CST

    A couple questions

    by minderbinder

    Anyone else think that the Crazy 88 came off as hopelessly inept? Most of them only get in a swing or two before getting stabbed, they're like stormtroopers with swords. Why didn't the Bride bring a gun with, just in case she ran into an enemy she couldn't take out with a sword (would have been handy for Gogo)? And I don't see why the chronology helped things any, especially switching the first and second revenge kills. Wouldn't it have made MUCH more sense for her to go after the housewife within driving distance BEFORE the head of the Japanese mafia? Seriously, you can barely walk, why would you choose to take on someone with a huge gang backing her up before taking on an individual? (and considering what happened with the crazy 88, shouldn't copperhead have been much easier?) It does look like QT screwed up on the "entropy" thing, unless he wanted to make the Bride look stupid (which I doubt, since she speaks fluent japanese). If her legs are too weak to walk, how do her arms manage to stay strong enough to pull herself up? And one thing I'm surprised nobody has 'bout those cool long tracking shots, particularly the ones that pass by the band, showing them in sync with the soundtrack. I was more impressed by that than by the fighting.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill volume 1 was one of the best fucking films I have seen

    by Lost Skeleton

    Another QT classic and if anyone ever brings up said topic again...I'll take thier fucking head! Revolutions...also taking heads on November 5th!

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 4:13 p.m. CST

    QT has balls

    by Karl_Hungus

    We need more filmakers like QT. Love or hate KILL BILL you can't deny Tarantino makes movies he'd want to see. I'm so sick of safe, market researched-to-hell, demographic specific, two hour commercials. And to everyone who pisses and moans about having to pay twice, just wait and see it at a half price matinee or Tueday night. I'm only going to pay $4.25 (Canadian) to see it tonight.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 4:20 p.m. CST


    by Renata

    i think the inference is that she had to go to Japan first because Lucy Liu's character was the only who was out in plain sight. The idea is that she found Viveca Fox through the French lawyer. But it ruins the suspense. You know she's going to live.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 4:23 p.m. CST


    by Malan

    Minderbinder. Entropy /atrophie thing was explained in the talk balk. As far as her uper body working while her legs don't, I think it's because of the way she woke up. She woke up with a shock and I think that's what stimulated the muscles (the muscles she used). As for why she chose Lucy Liu's character as her first target didn't she say something about that in the beginning (My memory's kind of dim on that...I should watch the movie again). I would also like to note that we have no indication how much time passes between events. Most people seem to think that just because it's not written 'A year later' at the bottom of the screen the events happen the following day. So she could have spent month re-working her muscles before going off to fight the japanese. Oh, I think I just got why she wanted to kill Lucy Liu first. She probably wanted to do something like scare the shit out of all the other ones (Bill included of course) by proving there was no stopping her. It also allowed for the message to be delivered to Bill in person by the girl who's arm got cut off. I think the anime sequence should have been playd later though as there was no way she could know Lucy Liu had become the boss of the japanese mafia.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 4:34 p.m. CST


    by i want go go

    I definately want to penetrate Go Go

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Hey Jmachinder, don't forget to note that how O-Ren kills the tw

    by Lost Skeleton

    in the amime sequence is from Miller's Crossing. when she shots the bodyguards in the knees so they fall and then she taps them both in the head for good measure. That is right out of Miller's Crossing! (one of my favorite Coen brothers movies)

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 4:52 p.m. CST

    To be, or not to be...

    by kobain

    I can't remember the last time I had such a hard time trying to decide if I liked this film or not. I wanted to love this film... I wanted to be thrilled... I wanted to leave the theater dancing as if I were wearing steel cables. And yet, it didn't happen. I left the theater in the middle road between bored, confused, amused, thrilled and angered. I saw this movie with someone who just doesn't get cinema. someone who thinks it's not cinema, nor entertaining, if it's not a story set somewhere in space with lots of spaceships flying around, shooting laser-shots. This damn person spent the whole movie with a big ass drawn in his face, and complaining about how boring this all was. And yet... a few days later... I can't stop thinking about this movie. About some pieces of dialog; about how incredible and lively ALL of the characters are. They breath life, they perspire rich backstories, they spit evil. Also, I can't stop thinking how forced and stoned some dialogs sounded. ("Even, Steven"). I still can't decide if I love or hate this film. There one thing for sure... you CANNOT be in the middle...You will never think this is an o.k. film, you will never think this is a not-so-good film. Either you will LOVE this film with passion, or you will HATE this film with passion. Do I think this is his QT's finnest job? well, no. At least not until I see Vol. 2 I don't. Do I think this film is more daring, ballsy and honest than 99% of the films premiered in the last couple of years? ABSOLUTELY. After all this ramblings, I still can't make up my mind. I still don't know if I love this film, or I hate this film. But one thing is for sure.. I'll be among the first in line to Vol. 2. and Kill Bill will go into my memory as the film I love to hate, or the film I hate to love.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 5 p.m. CST

    What were the red dots that kept showing up?

    by JBurton

    If you watch closely during the House of Blue Leaves chapter, a series of red dots keep appearing on Uma when she enters the bathroom and while she fights. Anyone know what they are or what they mean?

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 5:04 p.m. CST


    by Rcamacho2278

    I re-read your matrix reloaded review and I apologize for accusing you of being biased. I seem to have confused your review with someone else's and unfairly accused you. Your review or reloaded was an excellent one thus your review of kill bill is not hipocritical. I apologize again

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 5:32 p.m. CST

    I love how Harry bashes Reloaded. Then, a week later, he goes b

    by timmer33

    Why is that Harry? Did you finally "get it?" Or did the studio pressure you to remove your posts? You are the farthest thing from an objective critic I've ever seen. Your "reviews" are completely biased and depend on how much the studio can give you in terms of perks, advance previews and access to junkets.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 5:35 p.m. CST

    This journalist gets Tarantino's "influences" for "Kill Bill" ou

    by Declan_Swartz

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 5:48 p.m. CST

    For once, the hype was right

    by koomoReborn

    Once again, QT moves the ball forward. That said, I agree with almost all the criticism levelled here and elsewhere (although I greatly enjoyed the Chiba bit). Parts needed a bit of nip and tuck, but to no great degree. Some scenes (namely, the hospital) didn't do anything for me (although, looking back, the only disappointing segments would have barely been noticable in most movies...think of a roller-coaster ride that no matter how well it's designed must have it's straight and slow segments). The music that has irritated the hell out of me for so long from the trailers is perfectly placed in the movie and works. (~90% of the music used is brilliant.) The dialogue was lame for the most part but really didn't matter, and the cringe-inducing lines from the trailers (Silly rabbit, etc) make sense only if you see the movie. By the time Lu and Uma face-off, we expect spectacular dialogue. Instead we get crap, because QT is saying that no one could write anything for that moment that wouldn't be a letdown. There were several QT trademark intentional mistakes (naming a character to Lu's left as being to her right, the carry-on sword airline policy, the additional sword in the seat across the isle, the ability for some characters to live absent gallons of blood while some are felled losing a spoonful, etc etc) The much-discussed violence and blood wasn't anything at all if you've ever seen a Lone Wolf film. The B&W segments, especially at the beginning, were quite beautiful. The blood and gore shown initially in the church seemed as if the movie would be ultra-realistic in its treatment, but quickly treats it in a cartoonish way thereafter. If I had a 13-year old daughter I'd take her to see it. I'd take a 13-year old son to see it all day. It's really difficult to describe why this movie is the first I've seen in a theater this year that I haven't regretted spending money on. Maybe Harvey was right (although I was the only one in the show early this Wed afternoon). I'm sure I'll be paying to see Vol 2. (I can imagine a full-feature anime continuing with Oshi's story, if only 75% of the quality of that segment, would be the ultimate guilty pleasure. And does anyone think the young, white-suited assasin was a young Bill?) For reference (bringing up a few movies that have been used for comparison), I saw Crouching Dragon twice and liked it even less the second time (too pretentious), and I couldn't sit through all of The Big Brawl from a friend's bootleg Matrix:Reloaded disc (too boring). I thought Jackie Brown was extremely weak (even accounting for the fact that Elmore Leonard is/was one of my favorite pulp writers, whose work sadly went downhill and became trite as soon as he achieved recognition). By the end of the anime segment I knew I'd have to own the DVD. When I do, I won't place it by my crime films, noir, Tarantinos, or Enter The Dragon. It'll be placed between Ninja Scroll and Dawn of the Dead. Kill Bill, for all it's chop-socky references, is nothing more than live action Ninja Scroll. Which means it's a narrowly focused pleasure. Like punk rock or porn. Thanks, QT, for making me feel 13 again. Let's do it again in February.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 5:52 p.m. CST

    bill will make a KILLING at the OSCARS!

    by drudgejr

    G G G

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Movietool is right

    by Duodenum

    "I left Kill Bill wondering why I didn't like it. Comment: I love old kung-fu movies. I love QT movies. I love sword fights and anime and streaming fountains of blood, but I didn't like Kill Bill. I think I finally figured it out -- I went to go see a great kung-fu revenge movie, and I left feeling like I had just spent two hours watching Quentin trying to convince me that I was watching a great kung-fu revenge movie." agreed. i always have trouble bleating when i'm supposed to, and many of the "cool" moments in KB just felt awkward. i really wanted to love this film, and i am a bit of a QT slut, but i left the theatre feeling disgruntled.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 5:56 p.m. CST

    A very entertaining movie.

    by morGoth

    Good on ya Tarantino...another classic and will surpass 'Pulp Fiction' I do believe. Normally I don't give two rat farts about kung-fu chop-chop movies but this was extremely entertaining. OK, I'll admit to having a BIG crush on Uma and Lucy Liu but I still thought it was a great movie. Who knew Quentin was capable of such beauty? The final fight between <BLEEP> and LL was like a Japaneese lanscape...eerily beautiful. In fact, the whole movie had a wonderfull stylistic sense about it that's rare these days. Cool! Can't wait for Vol.2. Oh, excellent write-up Moriarity...always a pleasure to read your work.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 5:59 p.m. CST

    clarification re: decision not to kill The Bride in her sleep

    by Duodenum

    Bill isn't contradicting himself when he decides not to kill The Comatose Bride. he may have shot a pregnant, injured woman, but that was then. he now recognizes that something greater is at work, as she has survived immense suffering. he believes in fate, and wants to see WHY The Bride has endured for so long. so she is allowed to awaken and continue her journey. all very oldschool kung-fu logic.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 6:07 p.m. CST

    re: anime killer

    by Duodenum

    i think it has to be Bill, and i'm left wondering why so many people disagree? if you look at his face, it looks like Carradine to me. plus the rings, the badass skills, the hair, etc..

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Please motherfuckers!!!

    by super Cucaracha

    can you give the people who haven't seen the movie a SPOILER WARNING?!...sheez!

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 6:17 p.m. CST

    You want a real review of this movie? THIS review nails it perf

    by empyreal0

    Before my diatribe here is considered just the ranting of a rabid tarantino-hater, let me clear something up. I'm not. I do happen to think, however, that his primary gift is in writing, which is why Kill Bill fails miserably in my book. Kill Bill is absolutely devoid of the almost lyrical banter that made Pulp Fiction any good at all. I'm horrified sometimes by the willingness of some people to continue to worship Tarantino as if the emperor had any clothes at all anymore. Kill Bill is sloppy, ugly, and trite. I understand QT's got a fetish for telling a story out of order, but it doesn't work here. Not only is his arrangement haphazard, but if properly arranged chronologically, it would make no sense. The absurd length of time Uma spends trying to will her joints to move (already noted by some) is a prime example. Tarantino was once quoted as saying, "Storytelling has become a lost art. There is no storytelling, there's just situations. Very rarely are you told a story." What is ultimately ironic about that statement is that by cutting and rearranging his already paper-thin plot as to have no meaningful structure, no thematic implications, no depth of character, QT himself has fallen victim to the very sin he condemns. He doesn't tell us a story, he gives us a audio-visual punch to the stomach.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 6:23 p.m. CST

    studio plant!!!!!

    by magyarman


  • Oct. 14, 2003, 6:54 p.m. CST

    it doesn't make sense

    by Renata

    yeah, if you look at it chornologically and objectively, not much of the story makes sense. The whole "toe wiggling" thing takes 13 hours. But she's hiding in the car of the guy she just whacked and left in the hospital. What? No one's gonna check his car for 13 hours? !Q. T.'s a victim of his own celebrity. He's believing anything he does is instantly good, without regard to logic.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 7:55 p.m. CST

    I know my opinion doesn't carry as much weight...

    by acebandage

    ...because I'm not a slobbering Tarantino sycophant, but I do like Resevoir Dogs...does that count? I didn't like Kill Bill. The blood effects were too Monty Python. The black and white sequence was confusing. A lot of it was boring. All in all it was the biggest, most over-hyped Emperor's new clothes I have ever seen. Watching it I got the feeling that no one had the balls to tell Tarantino that not EVERYTHING he writes is a gem. He easily could have trimmed down some of his "brilliance" and made this one "good" movie. In short, it was Tarantino's "cinemasterbation" that really turned me off. I have to say I LOVED the fight with Go-Go Yubari. She was like a classic Bond henchman. Pure unadulterated fun. Then it was back to the tedium of Tarantino stroking himself.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 8:13 p.m. CST

    good review

    by Archduke_Chocula

    QT's movies ARE like music sampling. I loved K-B and my 9 year old bro loved K-B and I'd see it in theatres, i'd be seeing it right now if it wern't for that dumb bitch who asked for I.D.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 8:31 p.m. CST

    so how the hell do I get a hold of Twisted Nerve?

    by Silver Shamrock

    doesn't sound like a title they carry at blockbuster. What are some good shaw bros movies that are easy to find?

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 8:52 p.m. CST

    "I don


    this is why i like Mori's reviews better than harry's. I like some of Harry's reviews but usually it seems that all he wants to do is showing us how much he knows about movies and makes us go "he's sooo cool". His reviews are basically "i went to see this movie and it remind me of this 1958 movie that nobody saw but from now on you'll think is cool because i say so blah, blah blah...

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Dislike this movie all you want, but it can never possibly be "t

    by FluffyUnbound

    That title will forever belong to AI, without serious competition. AI is the Dimaggio hitting streak of emperor's new clothes.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Johnquay teaches QT a thing or two; I can't wait for JQ's movie.

    by django_1

    Johnquay, she ripped his throat out tiger claw style (not shown- a concession to the MPAA - too realistic.) Also, here is the deal: a warrior wills her legs from entropy, but a geriatric fart doesn't have the will to move his limbs from atrophy. In this context, entropy happens when no will is applied therefore an inevitable deterioration. As far as the bride is concerned, her legs never atrophied because she didn't cause her legs to waste away by lack of use. Fucking Bill and the Deadly Vipers Assassination Squad cause that shit. Willing her legs from ENTROPY signals her DETERMINATION of revenge. It is a purposeful and precise stylistic choice, and QT wins. Can you dig it?

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 11 p.m. CST


    by Krigan

    She went to Japan first because O-Ren was the only one that would be easy to find and O-Ren could lead her to the rest. QT did not bang you over the head with it but the point was made in the film.

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 12:23 a.m. CST


    by Rcamacho2278

    Im sure the end of the movie when everyone is dead, years later vivica fox's daughter will get her OWN revenge, thus proving revenge never gets you shit. blahhhhhhhhh

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 12:47 a.m. CST

    My simple opinion

    by Valkor

    I have, and always will, beleive that actions speak louder then words. I beleive a good expression makes up for hours of uselss dialogue, and that showing pain is much more effective then saying it. I also beleive that if a movie does even ONE thing really, really, well, it deserves applause, because it knew what it was doing, and did it. This is why I hated the second Matrix Movie. It had a bunch of boring plot twists, the good brothers tried to show off their intelligence a bit wee too much, and it tried to be artistic (I say tried, because it really wasn't.) The fight scenes were okay, but frankly, repetitive and boring. Oooh, a few punches here, a bent pipe, and a crap load of CG. I didn't like that that, though I did love the first movie because it was just awesomeness incarnate with a somewhat good back story, which the second movie rips apart and shits out. (I don't like having a sequel make everything in the first movie seem trivial...) However, then there is Kill Bill. Instead of trying to explain everything to the viewer, forcing things down his throat, Kill Bill showed everythign that would normally be said. Was The Bride incredibly depressed by having her baby lost? Is she justified in her revenge? The shot of her crying does that much better then her saying it, which I liked. Does The Bride introduce herself to Copperhead before giving her a good punch? Fuck no, and that is what I like, it seems more realistic than the characters explainign every little detail. They fight, and they fight damn well. No stupid CG, no stupid little edits to make it seem less brutal than what it is, two hardened mothers fighting for what they beleive is right, and ripping the living shit out of each other in the process. The hate and the passion are in the fights, in every blow and every parry, there is that inner flame of hatred. That is mroe than I can say for, once again, the Matrix: Reloaded (and it is hypcorcitial for fanboys of the Matrix to call us QT fan boys idiots) didn't have that emotion, it was bland, it was repetitive. I won't go over the metaphorical meaning of a two woman to act so ferraly in a kitchen and household enviornment. Then there are the parts that slow down. The presentation of the Katana, the cofee house, etc. Now, some may feel these drag on, I felt I liked the comedy here and I liked that QT put in atleast a few cultural elements, and let us never forget that almsot all good fight flicks have to have parts where the character develops in between fights. Now, we get to the crazy 88's, quite possible the FUNNIEST fight scene you will ever say, not to mention the one with the most style. Though every 88 is dressed the same, in my mind, they felt more like individuals she killed one by one. Now, the blood bytself is not what makes this scene great, it is the choreography. Like I said previously, it feels more real, more emotional, etc. There is the constant rush as more and mroe enemies are hurled at her, yet she just continues to fight through the horde, her Katan swinging and the blood dripping. When the retro music started, I almost fell out of my chair laughing in happiness at how cool this movie is, it is just the incarnate of what a cool movie should be (And what the original Matrix was...) Now, back to the point of doing a few things REALLY well. 1. This movie did choreography REALLY well, enough to justify quite a few movies. 2. The acting was above average. The characters showed their emotinos with their face, not their tongue, you can see the regret and hatred. What dialoge is needed when you can tell by looking at her? 3. The Music. Oh my fucking god, the music is awesome. It adds a whole new depth to the film by itself. (Kill Bill the musical? Workeable!) 4. General style. This movie had it to spare. When any flick has this much style, I could care les s about content. My modest review of why Kill Bill is so mother fucking awesome, and at the same time why the second Matrix movie dissapointed me so (WHY DID THEY HAVE TO PRETEND TO BE SMART???)

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 1:09 a.m. CST


    by HardcoreRocker

    Thank you for clarifying that comatose people do not in fact have a lack of use during their coma, thereby assuring us that she couldn't have atrophied. Of course her legs would've gotten several uses during her coma. Comatose jogging, comatose racquetball, comatose treadmill...she's done it all baby! Atrophy is the right word, entropy is a fuck up.

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 2:19 a.m. CST


    by Renata


  • Oct. 15, 2003, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Newest Commandments: Thou Shalt NOT...

    by JasonDkEldar

    1) pretend to be a washed up or bad comedian to get your point attention. 2) blog and ham it up for for your pathetic site whilst making arsemeat of your self in forum. 3) pretend to know ANYTHING about plot points, dissecting off-camera actions, and missing big cameos, such as the Bride's wWould-Be John being the Cross-eyed footballer from "The Waterboy". Pay attention if you want to be a detail Nazi. Sheesh.

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 3:10 a.m. CST


    by atrocity

    Uma has to go to Japan first because she needs her instrument of death! After that it seems logical to go after O-Ren Ishii before returning to the States. The creation of the perfect sword and the reason for its creation mark the beginning of The Bride's rampant revenge, sorta like an opening ceremony. The chronology was masterfully played, culminating with the monster showdown with O-Ren and her crew. Also, the Copperhead vs The Bride made a fantastic opening sequence. Placing it at the end of the film would have definitely deflated the film's dynamics.

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Hardrocker trying to argue what?

    by django_1

    You still lose. Entropy is the right word. Atrophy is fuck up.

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Tarantino Vs. The Wachowski Bros.

    by johnnyhotboy

    I'm not sure how entirely comparable their films are, being that the Bros. W. wrote a spectacular script with the first Matrix (and an even better one with "Bound"), but kinda tanked it with the second installment. Then again, there was that whole mess called Jackie Brown what I consider a monumental misstep for Tarantino. If you've ever just read the script, it's awfully bad and boring. It was one of those things you just had to see on film (which did not help that much), whereas the script for Pulp, for instance, is fun just to read without seeing the film. At any rate, I feel guilty comparing Quentin Tarantino to the Wachowski Bros. because he is simply more talented than they are in creating characters that you feel an immediate affinity and sense of attachment to. You feel The Bride's pain, you grimace just as she does, and you feel that agony as she tries to wiggle that damn toe (I swear she has the most fuckin' ugly feet I have ever seen in my life!) Characters are what QT is all about! The Bros. W. create badass characters, but they're more like superheroes. You don't feel what they do and you cannot empathize with them at all. They're simply eye candy with minimal, if any development. When Neo and Trinity kiss, I just don't feel their passion translates. It's just a movie kiss. When the Bride is hacking off limbs, leaving crimson geysers spraying, you can feel yourself jettisoned into the euphoric frenzy she must be wallowing in as she weilds her vengeance upon them. However, while I do not argue that Tarantino is the better overall talent in terms of the way he orchestrates his films and crafts his characters, he doesn't have shit on the Bros. W. for shooting action. They are simply more ambitious with their action scenes. Granted, the story they are telling is a much more elaborate one that what QT's is, but come on! Tarantino is not at all the king of action! Aside from the black and white (which was weak) and the psychedelic blue background, he did not do anything spectacularly innovative (if anything at all). He went out and got Yuen Wo Ping, did quite a bit of unecessary wire work, but, mainly, he did not do anything that will take the action genre to the next level. That is exactly what the Bros. W. did with the first Matrix and, despite popular opinion, kept doing with the second. I was not overjoyed with the story of Reloaded, but that huge 30-minute action sequence that begins with the fight in the mansion and ends with Neo grabbing Morpheus and the Keymaker out of mid-air over the exploding big rigs?! Get the fuck out of here! That was awe-inspring. Nothing from an action stand-point was awe-inspiring in Kill Bill. The overall film was, no doubt, but I was just a tad disappointed that rather than trying to reinvent the genre as the Bros. did four years ago, QT seemed more resigned to do the Charlie's Angels, Jet Li, and a slew of other shitty movies-thing and go with a formula that works, but doesn't transcend what we are constantly already seeing. I look forward to Vol. 2, where hopefully we will see some innovation and freshness from Tarantino and maybe then we can legitimately talk about taking the crown from the Bros. W. But with TMatRev coming out, next month, KBV2 may have its work cut out for it. Tarantino is the man for overall great filmmaking, but the action genre is owned and patented by the Wachowskis.

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 4:45 a.m. CST

    One more thing, Johnquay>>>SPOILERS

    by joee60

    Uma Thurman's voice-over narration, while sitting in the 'Pussy Wagon' takes place long after she kills off Lucy Lui; In the present, she is saying to herself: "move big toe." In the voice over, which, in the least, takes place after taking out CopperHead, Uma begins, (paraprashing)'as I lay in the back of that wagon, trying to move my big toe, I remembered the cunts and the pricks who did this to me.' The situation is NOT one in which Uma wakes up after a four year coma and knows everything about Lucy Liu. Uma is narrating from a time long after she has already recovered, tracked down Lucy Liu, killed her, and then tracked down V.Fox and killed her, and so on.

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Henry's Cat: Moriarty did not invent the word "fugly".

    by Mosquito March

    I first heard "fugly" over ten years ago, when I was in high school. Do yourself a favor and develop a worldview that doesn't include AICN as a main source of influence.

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill Revelation

    by RedSharkX

    For about a year now I've been devoted to following the making of the movie Kill Bill as well as reading just about every article written and picture posted. When the film came out on the 10th I saw it a soon as I could. After I left the theater I bought a cappuccino, smoked a cigarette or two, and reflected on what I had just observed. I'll admit that I was disappointed. I asked myself whether all my time and numerous postponements of the movie and several of the script changes had deflated my love for what was at one moment an epic script? This troubled me so. I knew deep down in my heart that this could not be the film I had once projected to be the best of the year. Being a person who is willing to give certain movies a second chance if they deserve them I decided to see the film again. Viewing the film a second time I was more aware of what I was to expect and less ignorant to the films changes. It was about half way through the film that I began to swell an immense grin on my face. This was not the film that I had envisioned in my head but one that was better. I understood now that it was euphoric elation that I felt. A joy that that can only be brought upon by the feeling of that of being in love with another person or the love of realizing ones contentment in life. Sure this was a high grade movie of 70

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Re: CHRONOLOGY EXPLANATION (spoilers) - yeah, but (MORE SPOILER

    by jackson healy

    I mean, if I were Copper Head, I'd've sent Nikki to grandma's, dressed in the latest Versace kevlar and hooked up with an M-5 automatic. Instead, Vernita's playing Mrs. Mom and expecting the house keeper, Sarah, whom she thinks has arrived early, only to be confronted by The Bride -- WHO BILL SHOULD HAVE WARNED HER WAS AFTER HER BACKSTABBING, CEREAL BOX-RIPPING ASS!! I mean, he warned Budd and Elle, didn't he? Why not Vernita as well? I say it's a chronology glitch, and I'm surprised more of you fanboys who pride yourselves on knowing the minutia of a film havent' caught this one.

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 6:02 a.m. CST

    to johnnyhotboy: Don't you mean "The Wachowski Siblings?"

    by jackson healy

    Technically, they're not really brothers anymore, are they?

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 7:24 a.m. CST


    by joee60

    It's tough talking about chronology when we only have half the movie, but Vernita Green was warned about the Bride's wrath. She tells her in the kitchen, 'That's being more rational than Bill led me to believe you were capable of.' to which Uma replied, 'It's mercy, compassion,and forgivesness I lack, etc ...' At some point, Bill warned Vernita, but she was obviously settled in her new life four years later, and underestimated her foe. (she did have a loaded gun hidden in a box of cereal.)

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 8:54 a.m. CST

    nothing new

    by Blood T Cat

    I was bored. It was pretentious and plodding. I thought I would really like it, but it was underwhelming.

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 10:04 a.m. CST

    That easterbrook guy is fucking creepy.

    by minderbinder

    Trying to make a connection between "evil" movies and studio heads being Jewish? I'll pass on the bigoted asshole, thanks.

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 11:32 a.m. CST

    word to RedSharkX

    by Hud

    Great point about wild B movies that made more daring mainstream product possible. But at least three of the directors you named -- Godard, Wells, and Kubrick -- all made B movies at some point and made them well. There may even be more gusto in their B stuff than in their prestige pictures. I don't think Godard has ever stopped making B pictures, in fact. God bless him for it!

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 5:51 p.m. CST

    re: Johnnyhotboy, on the differences between the bros W and tara

    by empyreal0

    I'm not sure I'd say that Tarantino's characters are ones to empathize with, especially in Kill Bill. He never lets you get close enough to them, and frankly, you'd be a fool to get to know anyone in QT's universe because very likely they will be brutally murdered before you really have a chance to know them. You are ALMOST dead-on right about the Matrix characters - they are cardboard icons. They're more or less the image and not the substance of "superheroes" (which is why I think Keanu's casting is ironically perfect). HOWEVER, I believe it works perfectly in the context of the Matrix movies because the story is not about the characters themselves, but rather the metaphysics of the world that they inhabit. The major difference I think, however, is high-brow versus low-brow sources they borrow from. What 70's camp and gritty kung-fu pulp is to Tarantino, philosophy and religious mythology is to the Wachowskis. Both sides reference their source material with equal zeal, and probably each just as much subtlety. On the surface, both probably appear to the layman to be rather simplistic action set pieces. I happen to appreciate The Matrix better because of I share with its creators an interest and background in philosophy, and because I don't think The Matrix's CG was used to cover for an otherwise uninvolving movie as was Kill Bill's gratuity. But hey - that's just MY humble opinion.

  • Oct. 16, 2003, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Atrophy & Entropy

    by Wooksie

    I recently wrote a story called Atrophy and Entropy... you guys are freaking me out.

  • Oct. 16, 2003, 6:03 a.m. CST

    It doesn't happen often, but when I walked out of the Empire Lei

    by The Equalizer

  • Oct. 16, 2003, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Saw it last night, going back tonight!

    by Flexfill

    I was fully expecting not to like this movie... instead I got mind-fucked, in a good way. I've never seen a kung-fu movie all the way through in my life. I don't care. All I know is that "Kill Bill" is damn good. Just for the record, I liked the black and white portion of the Crazy 88 fight with Black Mamba. I think it should stay black and white.

  • Oct. 16, 2003, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Black and white

    by Malan

    I liked the black and white part of the crazy 88 sequence too. By the way I'm pretty sure it was a stylistic choice, not an MPAA thing (or perhaps it's both). Most of the movie is a two back to old kong fu movies and japanese/chinese culture. Notice how the part of the fight with the blue back ground is an homage to chinese shadow theatre (or whatever it's called in english). He just didn't want to do the whole movie in black and white or in silhouettes.

  • Oct. 16, 2003, 6:53 p.m. CST


    by Malan

    Jumping back and forth in time is not tired. It's just not a novelty anymore. But it doesn't have to be. Linear story telling is done way more often and isn't necessarily better. So why is that not tired according to you? Because it's the NORMAL way to do it? So according to you everything has to be either the way everybody else does it or a way that has never been done before with no inbetween? You know what's great with Quentin Tarantino? It's that he makes the movies he wants to see. Not the movies he thinks YOU will want to see. I can guess what you're going to say next 'but I pay to see his movies so he should make sure I like them'. Hell no! He should never change his creative choices to satisfy his audience as not everyone can be satisfied. Sure, you're pissed that you payed to see a movie you did not like, but don't say it's BAD, just because you didn't like it. Anyways...oh and you say the animation sequence doesn't have any point being animated! How about the fact that it shows emotions in away not possible with live action? How about the fact that most of the movie is a homage to japanese culture?

  • Oct. 16, 2003, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Kill = Average

    by RawheadRex

    I just saw it last night and was totally unimpressed:( Compared to Jackie Brown or Pulp Fiction it seemed really slapped together. The fight scenes were gory but completely average and failed to stand out. Can anyone point out a single memorable scene? Or some smartly written dialog? I'm sorry but "Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids" is just lame. Jackie Brown, Resevoir Dogs, and Pulp Fiction had great dialog exchanges and cool memorable moments. Kill Bill #1 had none of that. I'll still check out part 2 in the hope it all comes together, but I don't have much hope for part 2:(

  • Oct. 16, 2003, 7:40 p.m. CST

    kill bill swings...


    ...a satisfying religious experience from pope tarantino. man, it felt like christmas in the theatre this aft. we've got a new tarantino flick in the theatres! that alone is reason to rejoice. the sequence where oren ishii and her entourage prowl the streets of tokyo and then arrive at the house of blue leaves with 'battle without honor or humanity' pounding on the soundtrack was pure cinematic sex, like having your cock stroked by the worlds most gorgeous supermodel and all you're thinking is, "make it last, make it last." and the titty twister this club ain't. the titty twister this club ain't. if his other movies were about the dialogue then kill bill is all about the visual kaleidescope. when the bride is presented the sword built by hattori hanzo it felt as though my eyeballs might get slashed just looking at its glistening steel. blood and sex. kill bill has the movieplex raining a bloody downpour. tarantino is the movie equivalent of the worlds greatest cover band: not only does he play the classics (drive-in classics as it were) but he plays them even better than the original composers. maybe if we're lucky mirimax will release kill bill vol.1 and vol.2 as one continuous glorious epic. kill bill swings, baby...

  • Oct. 16, 2003, 7:52 p.m. CST

    "A manufactured cult film never works..."

    by Ribbons

    So that explains all this praise for 'Bubba Ho-Tep,' right?

  • Oct. 16, 2003, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Find the Wilhelms

    by superdavid

    Did anyone notice any Wilhelms? I here and now challenge all talkbackers to note the Wilhems in all movies reviewed here!!! I heard two. Both were in the 88 fight scene. Specifically when Uma runs up the stairs, turnflips around and slashes the guy coming up. He falls and emits a wilhelm scream. For those that dont know, the Wilhelm is a scream sound effect created in the early 1950's and is still tucked away in a lot of films in the last 30 years and its kind of an inside joke now. I heard one in the Two Towers during the climactic battle scene when a baddie gets thrown off the wall or something. Once youve heard it your ear is more attuned to hear it when you watch a movie. The two I heard in KB were the "classic" scream.

  • Oct. 17, 2003, 1:06 a.m. CST

    I had joy, I had fun, I had seasons in the sun

    by SamFuller'sGhost

    Fun fun fun, suspension of belief without asking too much (you listening Michael Bay?). As for the violence, yadda yadda yadda, I'll take it over any crapfest chickflick with a Julia Robberts clone.

  • Oct. 17, 2003, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Seriously loved this movie!

    by PumpyMcAss

    I FINALLY saw it two hours ago and I am still fucking BUZZED! Just craziness in terms of on-screen action and visual storytelling in general. I was completely expecting to be let down because of how hyped this movie was, BUT THE HYPE DIDN'T KILL MY EXPERIENCE AT ALL!!! QT is a madman who knows how to beat the living shit out of his audience. Thank God he gave us a four month break because I need it to recover. I took a date to it (wrong move, decidedly) but I think she kind of got off on how hard I was getting off on this movie. Though now she knows my true geeky colors so I may be screwed, sex-wise...

  • Oct. 17, 2003, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Well, he's still fucking creepy.

    by minderbinder

    I'll agree that there isn't much to KB besides the violence (although that's the whole POINT), but that's about it.

  • Oct. 17, 2003, 11:18 a.m. CST

    "Kill Bill: Volume 1" is one of the ten greatest films ever made

    by Uncle Sam

    That's all I have to say.

  • Oct. 17, 2003, 4:21 p.m. CST


    by Starbuck1975

    "If you want to criticize this film as being wafer thin, you wouldn

  • Oct. 18, 2003, 2:24 a.m. CST

    objective standards

    by mansala

    Putting a fixed set of standards on which art is critiqued is like putting yourself in a tunnel: you can see only in one direction. Art is meant to arrest and defy expectations. Kill Bill did that for me. The general plot was shallow, yes. The action was unrealistic, yes. The dialogue was threadbare, yes. But there was something else about the movie, something I cannot place my finger on yet, which gave me a feeling of exhilaration. Apart from Kill Bill, I want to say that when an influential artwork arrives, its "greatness" will not be easily described, since it contains something hitherto unseen and unheard. This is why erecting fixed standards is dangerous. When you watch a movie, don't go in with a checklist. Just go in with your heart.

  • Oct. 19, 2003, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Right on mansala

    by Malan

    I could not agree more with mansala he or she put a finger exactly at the right place. I would only like to ad this in regards to what fuckknuckle said. Most of your standards for objectively judging a movie aren't even objectively good as standards. I agree with you to a certain extent. Kill Bill was weak on some of these points. But as mansala said, there is something beyond these points. Starbuck, although I haven't read the other reviews you are talking about I would like to point out that something being bad in one movie doesn't mean that element cannot be good in another movie. Exemple: I despise exagerated amounts of blood shooting out of wounds in most movies, but in this one it did not bother me. It's all about the way it's handled.

  • Oct. 20, 2003, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Having just seen the film (and loved it!), could I just ask...

    by raw_bean

    Can anyone identify for me the sound effect that occurs each time The Bride sees a member of the Deadly Viper Assasination Squad and has a flah back to them kicking her arse at her wedding? It focuses in on her eyes and there's this shrill, synthesised siren-like noise that I recognise from somewhere but can't quite put my finger on.