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Further Evidence: How Lucas & Lucasfilm Continues To Disrespect The Original STAR WARS & The Concept Of Cinema History!

Hey folks, Harry here... Seems I'm now getting hit with tons of emails as that screening of the original print of STAR WARS... well it ain't happening any more. Apparently THE CITY OF ANGELS FILM FESTIVAL was pursuing getting the print, but were not allowed to screen it as the only print that Lucasfilm will allow to be screened is the Special Edition.

Ok, first off, I want to be real clear about this... I wasn't going to be attending the film festival, so this isn't me being bittersweet about this whole situation. You see, this was a cool thing I was just excited to let you readers in the Los Angeles area know about. You see... THE CITY OF ANGELS FILM FESTIVAL is doing a "Century of Cinema" screening series this year where they pick a film or two from each decade in the century of cinema to screen, and show it. Here's what they were going to screen:

D.W. Griffith's INTOLERANCE (1916)

Fritz Lang's METROPOLIS (1927)

Robert Flaherty's NANOOK OF THE NORTH (1927)

Driga Vertov's THE MAN WITH THE MOVIE CAMERA (1929)

Walt Disney's SNOW WHITE & THE SEVEN DWARFS (1937)

Vittorio de Sica's THE BICYCLE THIEF (1949)

Francois Truffaut's THE 400 BLOWS (1959)

D. A. Pennebaker's DON'T LOOK BACK (1966)

Mike Nichols' THE GRADUATE (1967)

George Lucas' STAR WARS (1977)

Spike Lee's DO THE RIGHT THING (1989)

Quentin Tarantino's PULP FICTION (1994)

Baz Luhrmann's MOULIN ROUGE! (2001)

To be on that list is an honor more than anything. That's 13 films that helped to define the very century of cinema itself. That's huge. To be chosen to represent a decade of film, in particular for STAR WARS to be chosen to represent the 1970's... one of the most important decades in the history of cinema... That's gigantic. It's saying that this film is more significant than ANNIE HALL which it lost that Oscar to, more significant to the history of film than any of Lucas' contemporaries. It says that it had a profound effect on world cinema. And as a HISTORY fest, showing the original 1977 film... that's the film that changed things. STAR WARS SPECIAL EDITION wasn't made in 1977, that's a 90's flick, and if they replaced PULP FICTION with STAR WARS SPECIAL EDITION and were making the statement that Lucas' special edition was indicative of a time when artists began to revisit there films for financial gain, to re-edit, re-shoot and continue to evolve their films as a sculptor would revisit an unfinished (in his mind) work. Well, that's the significance of the SPECIAL EDITION... Although, it has nothing to do with the monumental change in cinema that the original 1977 film represented.

Is Lucas so determined to bury the original work, that filmmakers, film fans and devotees of his film will not be allowed to even see the film as part of a RETROSPECT UPON THE VERY HISTORY OF CINEMA? This isn't a minor thing.

Several years ago when I was presenting my own CENTURY OF CINEMA program at the Smithsonian in 1998, I chose my own series of Short films, Trailer, Cartoons, Making ofs, News Reels, etc... One from each decade beginning in the late 1890's with El Spectro Rojo. I included the original 1977 teaser trailer for STAR WARS, the one with the heart beat soundtrack behind it all... the non-colored Light Sabers, and it was a bleached out shitty FUJI stock copy, but the Audience was jazzed to see it projected, because this was what Audiences first saw. This was the beginning of it all... That line, "A FILM LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF ITS TIME!" If we heard that about a modern film in its own trailer we'd feel it was the most egotistical display of hyperbole ever... BUT... it was true.

It is the only STAR WARS trailer to not be scored by JOHN WILLIAMS... no hint of "THE THEME" and it gets you jazzed, pumped and ready to dream about a boy, a girl and a galaxy. THIS type of event, is about HISTORY not revisionism. With the YOUNG INDIANA JONES, Lucas was always so strict to try and bring history to kids, what about preserving his own history and allowing it to be told?

Personally, I've always wanted to see that original test screening print of Star Wars that had old WW2 Dogfight footage inserted where the space ships were supposed to go. I've wanted to see... would I think like DePalma that Lucas had made a disaster, or like Spielberg that it was going to be genius? That's HISTORY! Giant HISTORY! The same way that if you go to the Prado in Madrid and you see the Hieronymus Bosch triptych of THE GARDEN OF EARTHLY DELIGHTS... not only is the final version exhibited, but the pencils/charcoal roughs and the pre-painting that he did as well as the finished one. Lucas likes to draw the parallel to being a painter, well historically... the evolution of the art is seen, studied and considered. What's he got to be insecure about... this festival is saying... STAR WARS IS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FILMS IN HISTORY!

I love Star Wars, but I'm ashamed of George Lucas, he's really quite a little man when you come right down to it.

Harry,

I'm having a hard time dealing with this email I just recieved. I really can't say anything poetic. I've been a die hard Star Wars fan my whole life. It guided my whole life as a child, into adulthood, as I now work in the VFX industry. This is it. Fuck Lucas. Is he such a selfish prick that he's going to rob memories from not only the fans, but all the skilled artists who broke new boundries in filmmaking, that he will never let the original Star Wars play? This film festival is supposed to represent films from each decade, Star Wars fitting into the 70's. Sorry, but the Special Edition is a 90's movie. With some really shitty CGI no less (Jabba anyone?). I'm through. Lucas can keep it all. He's whittled me down with his lame-ass prequels, and this just seals it. I am officially tearing up my fan club card that I got with Bantha Tracks, and having my tickets refunded. I'll stay home and watch LOTR instead.

-J.C.

Then there's nope...

This sucks, but is not surprising. The City of Angels film festival just sent out e-mails saying that although they tried in good faith to get the original version of "Star Wars", they have been told they will only be allowed to screen the Special Edition. The e-mail did not specify that this was an edict from Lucas Film, but I would assume that either that is the case, or that it is an after effect of Lucas Film pulling all the existing prints from circulation. Either way Fuck George Lucas. Fuck him right in the eye.

-nope

Then there's Erin's email which has the letter from THE CITY OF THE ANGELS FILM FESTIVAL...

Hey harry,    

I got really excited when you posted the notice about the original star wars playing on the big screen.  I bought tics right away.  But then I got this f**king email:



The City of the Angels Film Festival regrets to inform you that we will not be screening the original version of Star Wars.   

We pursued the original in good faith, but were unsuccessful. The version we are screening is Star Wars - Episode IV, A New Hope (Special Edition). We regret the original edition is not available for screening.  

If you would like your money refunded, please contact me immediately by e-mail: brehmcenter@fuller.edu

 

Cordially,  

Erin Dunkerly

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  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Second. I think.

    by LordOfTheThings

    Okay, this bites. Hard.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:14 p.m. CST

    What a waste...

    by Goonie

    Man, this sucks. I was so excited when I first heard about this screening--I emailed about 25 friends. And now this happens. "The horror...the horror..."

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:14 p.m. CST

    bullshit, george

    by keyserSOZE

    pure and simple..."south park" never got anything so right...

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:14 p.m. CST

    This is a first

    by Jack Burton

    Several years ago when I was presenting my own CENTURY OF CINEMA program at the Smithsonian in 1998..." WTF?! I'm telling you guys, Harry is Walter Mitty. He's been around and done more shit then Forrest Gump! (In his head?) Anyway, Lucas sucks and I would say that this finally puts the nail in the coffin of those rumors about the DVD's possibly having the originals. Guess those VHS box sets are gonna be pretty valuable. Time to burn them to DVD.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:14 p.m. CST

    wait...

    by Hypestyle

    on the forthcoming "special edition discs", I predict that the ORIGINAL versions of the movies will be available on th B-side or whatever.. relax.. if nothing else, you can scour ebay and half.com for the older vhs and laserdisc editions..

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:15 p.m. CST

    by the way

    by keyserSOZE

    i now refuse to believe that "american grafitti" was directed by lucas...or maybe i'm just afraid that he'll re-edit that to make john milner's car fly.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:16 p.m. CST

    This actually suprises people?

    by Marek

    Lucas cares about Technology. He does not care one bit about film or film history. He is obsessed with technology, which is why the new movies he makes suck. Seriously, fans don't care if you can make an entire CG world if the characters have no life. That plastic bag in American Beauty had more life to it than anything he has done with the prequels.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Who Cares?

    by microwavable?

    it's on TBS all the time, isn't it? we'll get the movie back someday.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Lucas is a "greedo"

    by pvecu

    Luckily, Griffith is not alive to remake "The birth of a nation" with tons of CGI extras. Anyway, as I got the original trilogy in VHS, my only concern now is how good will episode III be, and if there

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:24 p.m. CST

    You people are so ridiculous

    by chrth

    Shatner time: GET A LIFE, PEOPLE! The point of Star Wars isn't who shot first. You claim Lucas only cares about the CGI, but all you care about is a bunch of stupid lines and a dumbass bounty hunter that couldn't shoot a womp rat at 5 inches. If you were intelligent fans, you wouldn't bitch about the Ewoks or Jar Jar, you'd talk about the IMPORTANT things. You know, Lucas didn't take anything IMPORTANT out of the originals. Fuck FX. Fuck Greedo. Fuck you all.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:25 p.m. CST

    And ANOTHER thing

    by chrth

    You keep bitchin' about how Lucas keeps raping your childhood, but considering it's the only time most of y'all are ever gonna get laid, you should be thankful!

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Screw Lucas

    by Karl_Hungus

    Looks like the COC fest will have to show JAWS, TAXI DRIVER, or THE GODFATHER instead

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Just what I was going to say, Karl_Hungus

    by greatczersghost

    If Lucas, for whatever ridiculous reasons none of us can understand, can't show his original film, there's plenty of other films they can show. This may be heracy on this site, but "The Godfather" is a better film anyway.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:35 p.m. CST

    dear lucas people reading this

    by sad sad sad sad

    I think it only fitting that the generation that learned to love movies and technology with Star Wars uses that very thing to bite Lucasfilm in the ass. I am not seeing Episode Three in the theater. I and my lifelong friends, who have been seeing Star Wars together for years, will be watching the first available bootleg we can find. And once it's over, that's it. Done. We'll know the whole story you're been making up as you go along and lying about for years. We don't need the Expanded Universe and it's crap writers who are so untalented the best idea they can come up with is to kill Chewbacca. We don't need a giant improved boxed set with Vader's breathing head on the front and a chip that plays John Williams every time we take a dvd out of the box. We don't need the wires cut out of the fight scenes or the vocals changed because you suddenly decide your original vision was that James Earl Jones should have sounded more like Jerry Lewis. All we want is a chance to see the movie the way we did when we were kids. Sure, you might not like the dvd format, and I guess it is your decision to make, but for christ's sake, don't try to go back in time and change the prints already out there. We know the best parts of the series were made by someone else, you've proven that time and again. Don't ruin their work just because you can't figure out how to do it yourself. Let the medium you used to love (how's that vision working out for you, by the way? That money for Star Wars Galaxies paying for those art house films you're avoiding?) inspire the hearts of others. Because when you die, and you will, and the movie goes to your heirs, and it will, and one day down the line those heirs are out of money, and they will be, those others will be the ones bidding on the rights to remake your movie, and all you've done lately is shown them how things can be changed with no respect for the people that loved them. And I, for one, hope there will be a heaven you can look down from and see what you've brought on yourself.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Just take it out and toss in Jaws and 2001

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    If George wants us to forget the SW flicks I'm more than happy to oblige, they're forgotten.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:46 p.m. CST

    chrth - Punk Ass

    by joshua

    You work at a furniture store. You must be getting laid alot.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:46 p.m. CST

    chrth is a tool

    by Karl_Hungus

    "The point of Star Wars isn't who shot first" This is an incredibly important scene as it establishes Solo's character as selfish scoundrel who only looks out for number 1. Having him be so noble (and stupid) to fire only when fired upon ruins the dramatic punch of the climax. If he was always a valient character we would expect him to come back for Luke. When he saves Luke it's unexpected. It shows his character has grown and completes his character arc as well providing a powerful stand up and cheer moment. Lucas has lost his storytelling ability and sense of humanity. Why else do the prequels rely so heavily on CGI? Why are the performances from the human cast so wooden?

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:49 p.m. CST

    chrth, let me explain...

    by Falcon-1

    I know I don't speak for everyone here. Nor do I speak for the millions of STAR WARS fans who have no idea that AICN even exists. I speak for myself. That said, I would like to explain why it is that I am so disappointed with George Lucas for changing a film which meant a great deal to me as a youngster growing up in the middle of Iowa. I could relate to Luke Skywalker's feelings of "...Well, if there's a center to the universe, this is the point furthest from...". The film struck a cord with me. It was, one of the greatest films I had ever seen (in all my fifteen years). Now, I understand there were greater films, better actors, even better stories. But, for me, it all began with STAR WARS. Then, I got older. I began to see the world for what it was. I got out of Iowa. Lived in NY for a while. Even lived abroad for a while. But, no matteer how old I got, I could always return to STAR WARS and enjoy that slice of my childhood. During my time abroad, Lucas released his "Special Editions". I watched them. I wasn't appalled as many people said they were; but I wasn't pleased either. I couldn't believe Lucas would change key-plot points the way he did. I think the whole exchange with Greedo left Han Solo looking less dynamic. The whole idea of "he shot first" just wasn't necessary. But I digress. Now, my daughter (yes, some of us STAR WARS fans DO get laid once in a while) and I watch STAR WARS; but it's not the Special Editions that capture her imagination. It's my VHS copies of the original versions. Mr. Lucas may have thought he was doing a good thing. He may have thought it was more "lookie at what we can do now"-type thinking when he made the changes to his movies. But that wouldn't explain why he won't release the originals. Especially for honors like this one. Who know's? Maybe they don't exist anymore. I could believe that. And if that's the case, Mr. Lucas, just let me know. I'll Fed-Ex you copies of my tapes.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Replace with:

    by wash

    Corvette Summer

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Shut the fuck up harry and the rest of you moaners!

    by WhoStoleMyHead

    What the hell is the matter with you people?There are a few alterations,but 95% of the movie is still unmolested and you can only complain about a measly 3 minutes total of changes?!This is the definitive SW and once you come to grips with that,then maybe,just maybe,you'll quite dwelling on some minor fucking changes that only enhance the film and move on.God you people are sad!

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:53 p.m. CST

    dumbasses

    by chrth

    1. I work for a furniture -company-, not store. 2. I'm in IT, so I make now, at age 29, more than you'll ever make in your sad sorry life 3. I'm married 4. Han Solo doesn't need to shoot Greedo first to make his return at the Death Star a surprise. I think the Leia line to Solo is the establishing one ('If money is all you care about...' etc), not the Greedo shot. Personally, I don't give a shit what y'all think. I'm on the board on a Friday night because I'm working. Why aren't you out on a date? THOUGHT so.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:53 p.m. CST

    private collectors?

    by hank quinlan

    Why don't they do what they did when Nolan wanted the original Blade Runner and couldn't get it to screen? Get it from a private collector. Surely someone has one and would be happy to oblige. It really is super lame. I think the thing you choke on is the spirit of the edict. I'm sure there the cans are just sitting on a shelf and they won't give them up. For what? But you know what guys, it kind of reminds of when they asked Chandler about how he felt about the movies screwing up his books. He pointed to the shelf and said "There they are." The real Star Wars is in your memory anyway. No special edition will fuck that up.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Et tu George Lucas? Et tu?

    by Dr.Killkov

    This is the answer to why Lucas is saying he will NEVER release the original trilogy on DVD. Because if fans knew the original trilogy was coming out on DVD, they wouldn't buy the Special Edition that's going to come out soon. This way, he can give us no hope of an original series release, and make us buy the Special Editions. Then, when he has made all the millions he possibly can on it, he can finally release the original trilogy on DVD, and resell the same movie all over again. Smart, but you have to wake up pretty early in the morning to fool Dr. Killkov! George Lucas has turned into a hybrid of Mr. Burns and Darth Vader. He'd trade it all in tomorrow, for a little more! Peace out nya! And dont forget to buy your copy of Westside Connection's new album called Terrorist Threats this December. Straight out gangta-isms yo!

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:56 p.m. CST

    NEWSFLASH

    by Dan_Average

    Star Wars fucking SUCKS. The point here isn't that they won't be able to screen the original version but that they were fucking idiots for choosing this as "the movie that defined the seventies" in the first place. THE END

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8 p.m. CST

    Falcon-1

    by chrth

    I hear where you're going from; but think about it. If the FX aren't part of what brought you into the movie in the first place, then they shouldn't bother you now. Look, I think it's lame that it's obvious Greedo shoots first now (it's not cut-and-dry in the original)...but at the same time, it's the confrontation and the aftermath that's important, not the actual firing. We get more from Han's attitude towards Greedo, and his convo with Luke and Obi-Wan in the cantina, than whether or not he fires first. I love the movie, whatever edition it's in (but don't get me started on what a lame flick ESB is--that'll start even more anger). The important thing to me, though, is the force, and the discovery, and the journey, and all the wonder of the film. And I don't think the Special Editions lose that. BTW, I apologize for being a dick, but shit, I am working on a Friday night, so you'll have to forgive me.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Going from?

    by chrth

    I suspect I meant 'coming from'

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:01 p.m. CST

    It's Dziga Vertov! With a Z!

    by Sheeld

    Hacks.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Lucas may have something else in mind

    by emeraldluxury

    I read this notice, but as I am much more materialistic than most film fans, I couldn't help thinking that perhaps Lucas has something special in store for the original version of the Star Wars film after he has finished SW EPIII. So there may be a financial gain in keeping the film in hiding until then. Perhaps he feels that he will make more money by holding it back and then showing it later. I really don't know what Lucas is thinking...but I gotta believe that he cares as much for his original work as anything. Just an optimistic, yet materialistic statement. I hope we do see the original version again one day. Cheers to that hope.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Lucas, Berman and Hammer

    by cooper2000

    All belong in the Sci Fi hall of shame. Lucas has obviously lost it. Just look at his last two Star wars movies. They suck.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:06 p.m. CST

    And what about those other films?

    by chrth

    MOULIN ROUGE? Give me a break! I still break out into hives when I remember the 'Like a Virgin' rendition. Granted, it had its moments, but it does not deserve to be on the list with those other films. (And I think R' Dogs is better than Pulp Fiction, but I understand PF being there). And wasn't 'the Bicycle Thief' the film in The Player?

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Chrth, thanks for bringing your real world insight into this tal

    by HardcoreRocker

    I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm totally serious. I thank you for taking time out of your busy work-filled life to come and make fun of some sci-fi geeks. Seriously. I know that you probably get laid five times a day, and thank you for having the courage to come to a site and to take the new and dangerous opinion that only geeks like Star Wars and no one who's ever seen that movie ever gets laid. I don't know how you knew the name Greedo, since you're a lot cooler than Star Wars and/or any of us, but your insight is valuable and cherished. Don't listen to what these other geeks say, they're just upset because you're fucking hot models and rolling around in Lamborghinis with 24 inch rims on the side, lighting your Cuban cigars with 100 dollar bills, and they are all between the ages of 15-22 living in their mother's basement/ single dorm room, running out of Clearasil and scraping pudding from the bottom of a Snack Pack container with their fingernail. It's about time the dirty, scandalous truth was revealed. Thank you Chrth, for calling everyone out on a stereotype that they MUST fit into. I have no idea how you got to this geekfest, since you don't have an ounce of geek in your cool, chiseled, muscular body. Maybe you know some geeky computer guy who helped you in your slick powerful executive office one day, and he pointed this out to you, and you thought you'd do us the civil service of calling us geeky virgins. I can't thank you enough. God bless you, Chrth. Now go back to being really cool and fucking attractive women every night. www.rockithardcore.com

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Breakfast at Tiffany's

    by JackDonkey

    yeah that movie rules... do you she's handsomely paid

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:11 p.m. CST

    HOW IS LUCAS ROBBING YOUR MEMORIES? HOW IS LUCAS TAKING YOUR REM

    by Fatboy Roberts

    STOP THE FUCKING OVERWROUGHT HYPERBOLE, JESUS CHRIST. You act like because you can't see the original editions projected on a big screen at one show in Los Angeles, that somehow your mind will be WIPED CLEAN of all your Star Wars memories? THAT'S FUCKING STUPID. It is. It's dumb. I bet you 9/10ths of the people currently screaming "Fuck Lucas in his eye" aren't even IN Los Angeles. I bet 9/10ths of you motherfuckers OWN the original versions on VHS, Laserdisc or Bootleg DVD. WHAT IS MAKING YOU FORGET THAT STAR WARS EXISTS? How is it that there's suddenly no PERMANENT RECORD OF THESE MOVIES AVAILABLE? Oh, fuckin wait a minute. THERE IS. THERE'S MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of copies of the original versions of the Classic Trilogy sitting on shelves all over the place. How exactly is NOT going to see it at ONE show in ONE city going to be ROBBING YOU OF YOUR MEMORY? Jesus Christ, some of you people seem to have an empty hole in your lives that you fill with the acid ranting and ravings against something that in the end run DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER ONE IOTA. Fine. Wonderful. The original edition of Star Wars IS preserved. It's in the smithsonian. It's preserved on Laserdisc in millions of homes. It's preserved on bootleg DVD in just as many millions of homes. It's on VHS in god knows how many iterations in tens of hundreds of millions of homes. You think that simply because he doesn't want to screen those versions anymore that you're all going to FORGET THEY EVER EXISTED? If you honestly and truly think that, you're a goddamn moron with zero perspective. Would I like for him to make those originals available on DVD? Yes. Who wouldn't? But am I going to act as if he personally stabbed my mother in the eye with a fire-poker if they don't? NO.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Umm, they shouldn't have advertised a movie that they yet booked

    by Vonn - the Omen

    Has everyone gone mad?! What we have here are a bunch of people who were advertising a movie before they even had access to it. And now you blame George Lucas for that disappointment when it was the festival's fault for hyping something they didn't have!! What if I advertised a concert for Aerosmith in my garage and Aerosmith didn't come, is it Aerosmith's fault? Where the heck did common sense go? Good lord, I can't believe how you all are so quick to blame George for all your problems.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:15 p.m. CST

    More proof...

    by Karl_Hungus

    ...that chrth can't be taken seriously- "(but don't get me started on what a lame flick ESB is--that'll start even more anger)" That above quote and the fact that although he's 29 he brags about getting laid and making more money than people he doesn't know. (IT for a furniture company-whoa there Rockafeller-you must be some High roller) I think the truth you're some 15 year old punk havin some fun playin make believe. If not you've got about 15 years of maturity to catch up on.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but, it's HIS movie

    by boneheaddd

    Generations twice removed from ours won't have the same nostalgic feeling about the original film that our generation does, but I'll guarantee that they will still be watching the Saga. I'm sure that the George of 1977 would thank the George of the 1990's for not abandoning his original vision.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:18 p.m. CST

    I LOVE STAR WARS. I HATE STAR WARS FANS

    by Fatboy Roberts

    That's basically what it's boiled down to. Fuck Lucas. For what? For MAKING the goddamn movies? This Anti-CGI shit is trendy moviegoer elitism, straight up and down. It's fucking film-snobbery for no good fucking reason. There's GREAT SFX in those original versions, yes. But there's horribly shitty FX, too. Those don't have a "Charm" or a "Special magic" they're just bad fx. Any "Charm" or "Special Magic" you attribute to it is because you were a fucking 8 year old, ignorant to how movies are made and how high quality the craftsmanship can be. now you're a 35 year old jaded shut-in asshole who fills in the blanks in your personal life by bitching about your favorite kids movies on the internet. CGI is merely a tool, just as foam core rubber puppets were just a tool. It's how you USE the tool. Sometimes, in the SE's, the tool was used poorly. Most times it was used effectively. But whining and bitching about Puppet this and CGI garbage that is talking out of your fucking ass. If you're paying more attention to the tool being used than HOW it's being used and what it's being used for, then you're already missing the point of the tool's invention in the first place, and exposing yourself AS a tool. Quit hopping around trying to show us your movie geek stripes with all this anti-lucas anti-cgi give-me-rod-puppets-and thick-shitty-matte-lines bullshit, I'm not buying it. You can all whine about your childhood memories being robbed, but the only part of your childhood any of you venomous geeks are re-living are the bratty, spoiled and tantrum throwing times. The rest of the time you guys have completely forgotten what being a kid is like, and it shows with every shortsighted, thoughtless and mean-spirited post you puke up on these talkbacks whenver the words "STAR" and "WARS" show up in a title.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:22 p.m. CST

    holy hell, that first e-mail is the saddest thing I have ever re

    by magyarman

    Let's face it: George Lucas is senile. And I hate to say it, but Episode 2 was not a vast improvement on Episode 1, as everybody seems to think. They BOTH blow ass. I can't really blame people for getting caught up with Episode 2 after first seeing it and thinking it was good....I mean the same thing happened to me with Episode 1. For the longest time I tricked myself into thinking it was good, and I wouldn't let myself realize the truth. But I finally came to terms with it, and that made it easier for me to realize the truth about Episode 2 right after I saw it: it sucks. Hard. Yeah, yeah, I know, tons of Jedi charging with lightsabers, Yoda, blah blah blah. No. It sucks ass. This realization is painful but necessary, like having a splinter yanked out of your finger. What it comes down to is this: Like any favorite movie, I gladly look forward to watching any of the Original Trilogy SW movies....it is an enjoyable experience. But, however people try to rationalize the prequels (especially Episode 2....I think most people have given up on trying to convince anybody that Episode 1 is good), I don't EVER feel like watching them. Ever. It's a chore to watch them.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Think what you want

    by chrth

    1. I'll sleep easy tonight knowing it's the truth 2. I never put lame websites in my posts. 3. ESB is overrated. Seriously, I'm not going to debate it here, because, well, not to be disrespectful, but the blind worship of the film boggles my mind. It's like you can't criticize it without unleasing a maelstrom of fury. I mean, I enjoy the film, yeah, but only a visceral level for the most part. You know, no one ever complains about the ESB Special Edition. You know why? Because it's not just a meaningful like the original was. Peace out, the array is fixed, I got work to do. I love you all, and I mean that from the bottom of my flaming, trolling heart.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Fatboy is RIGHT

    by boneheaddd

    ...this man has no dick

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:25 p.m. CST

    I have come to a very definitive conclusion about something rega

    by Graham_Minnesota

    I am sure that this is a point that has been made before, but as a casual fan of StarWars, one of the things that I keep noticing when ever George Lucas is interviewed, and he is asked about the making of "Episode IV, A New Hope" (give me a fucking break with that title -it's simply "Star Wars"), he said that he was "limited" by the technology during the development of that film. He always then goes on to say that the "Specail Edition" StarWars movies help him "re-make" them into what he orginally invisioned. So basicailly, what he is saying, is that if he was given the resources to make the types of films that he wanted to at the time that he made the original triology (as in Episode I and II) they would be altogether different films. Altogether SHITTY films (as in EPI & II -granted Darth Maul was incredibly awesome, but look how his character was squandered.) Ironically enough, I believe that George Lucas' best film (and an incredible all around film at that) is "American Graffiti." A movie that contained absolutely no special effects.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:27 p.m. CST

    HardCoreRocker

    by 900LBGorilla

    Shit man, now that was good...well done...I'm still fucking laughing...

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:27 p.m. CST

    George Lucas Hates You.

    by CHEWBLACCA

    He hates you.He hate me.He hates us all.All of us who paid for his kids private school.Who paid for his leaps in "cinematic technology".Who bought that fucking Ranch he's so fond of banning nay-sayers from.He should go buy himself a new chin.Yeah-I fucking said it.If I thought destroying the probably thousands of dollars worth of Star Wars junk I bought over the years would hurt him,I would.I wish I had one of those Vanity X-Wing Pilot George Lucas figures,so I could stuff him up my ass and shit him out.I'm sick of his bullshit.I'm sick of his lies.I'm sick of his pay website(I will not pay).I Will not buy the Indy box set(one disc of extras-JIP!).What the fuck is wrong with him?~Oh yeah,I think I need to change my user name.It makes me feel cheap and used.Only girls that fuck me to get back at their boyfriends get to do that.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:30 p.m. CST

    One final (non-flaming) thought

    by chrth

    Why does Harry put these posts up? Seriously. I think he enjoys the furor of the talkbacks, he likes the fact that there are people who are even more hardcore than he is. I don't know if it makes him feel more normal, or what...of course, his hit count has probably dropped now that he no longer posts every EP II or III rumor that graces his emailbox, so the reason is probably closer to those lines.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Lucas won't give me a memory wipe...

    by SubliminalJones

    I remember the way Star Wars used to be. I'm sure many of you out there do as well. But when memories aren't quite enough, you can always go to ebay. I just purchased the original theatrical versions of the SW trilogy on DVD for a quite reasonable price. And while the quality is nowhere near dvd standard,(think widescreen VHS on a DVD-R) it IS a durably formatted record of what Lucas may soon try to convince us all was a big hallucination on our parts. Lucas may get numerous kicks out of his own twisted Frankensteinian machinations regarding his trilogy, adding parts here and cutting other parts off in some deranged quest to create the perfect monster. Me, I prefer Star Wars when it wasn't so complicated, and didn't need to be so perfect.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Let me play devil's advocate for you.

    by Lobanhaki

    Which cut do you think he believes is definitive? If he went through all the trouble to create the special edition, to essentially remake the movie, which cut do you think he'd allow? Everybody has their carps, their problems, and I can understand a number of them. But that said, I do not think Lucas deserves the kind of abuse he's getting. He's not sitting on his ass just spending the money he gets. He's making movies, making movie history, and pioneering real technological advances. We got to stop resenting Lucas for the fact that he's not not one of those safely dead or retired directors whose work will remain pristinely pure of whatever it was we didn't like. We gotta realize that he has a mind of his own, and not all of his ideas, his changes, or his sentiments are bad. Why don't you guys keep an open mind? Does being a fan, mean that you respect the work more, or the artist? I'd just like people, for once, to stop acting like Star Wars was THEIR creation, and not Lucas's. I mean, todays film audiences are spoiled, and they are rarely kept on their toes. Very few filmmakers are willing to take the kinds of risks with their material that Lucas does. Some of them, undoubtedly, have fallen flat, but others have succeeded brilliantly and given us the opportunity to see cool stuff we weren't anticipating.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:39 p.m. CST

    With this Talkback: STAR WARS FANS HAVE NOW AND FOREVER REPLACED

    by Fatboy Roberts

    Look at this talkback. It's true. People are threatening to burn their THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WORTH of Star Wars merchandise over Greedo Shooting First. People are saying that 3 minutes of changed footage in Star Wars have made the ENTIRE movie a huge piece of shit. People are whining and crying and threatening boycotts and petitions, claiming their own MEMORIES are being held hostage and erased as if this was a strange real-life sequel to Total Recall or something. The utter lack of perspective on display is fucking amazing and sad and laughable all at the same time. A movie that wasn't even SCHEDULED correctly is not being shown at a ONE TIME ONLY showing in a city I'm betting NONE of you knee-jerk complainers live in, and you're already burning some man in effigy, for the honor of your lost childhood memories. Yeah. That's probably the sign. Goddamn Star Wars fans love to make themselves look like total assholes in public. Star Wars fans are now the kind of geeks that even other geeks pick on. We're the neverendingly whiny, snotty, bitchy, pointy head blowing shit out of proportion prima-donna poseurs of the film geek universe, and we DESERVE to be shit on by as many geeks as possible. Look at how we act. Look at how petty and childish and pouty and retarded we are. Look at how willing to blow things ridiculously out of proportion we are. We are the lowest of the low. We are the geeks that geeks don't even like to associate with. We are Star Wars fans. We have destroyed Star Wars. Not Lucas. Us and our over-fed obsession to these frothy kids movies killed Star Wars. And look at us now. Look at this thread now. Yeah. Start shooting the spitwads. Get the toilets ready for the swirlies. Cue the wedgie squad up. Place the whirlygig beanie on our pointy fuckin heads while we push the button on our bic pen that plays the Star Wars theme, cuz we're star wars fans and we deserve every ounce of shit we get for acting like we do. God Bless the Internet.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:45 p.m. CST

    George Lucas = The Mike Tyson of Film

    by 900LBGorilla

    Think about it, when they were "in their day" both were untouchable...Now Tyson is a wahsed up fat little whore, who can sling shhit about eating peoples children better than he can actually back it up in a fight...and There's Lucas, who went from the guy who brought us Star Wars ESB (Sort of), and Jedi (Well Tyson was slipping before jail a bit too)... To the guy who can't tell the difference between good storytelling and CGI... -----------------------------------And Fatboy sorry but you...just ....don't...get...it... What MANY of us think is that the ORIGINALS are just BETTER movies...and it really pisses us off that George Luke-ASS is such a jackass that he refuses on primncipal fron releasing the BETTER movie on a decent format...VHS sucks, fades, deteriorates, and is nothing I would buy ANY film I consider great on at this stage...---------------Whay is the nojn SE better (I can hear you and your fellow "CG is god-ers" miocking the old grtaphics already)...weeeeellll...beacuase the STORY is better WITHOUT the crap added...Jabba is a COMPLETE pussy in the SE...the scene scuks so fukcing bad that it hurts the next 2 movies...Han verbally bitch slaps him here...and THIS is the guy who "Has a bounty so big on Hans head that every bounty hunter in the galaxy will be looking for him"?....THIS is the guy who HAn "fears" so much in ESB that he has to run from the rebellion to take care of his shit? THIS is the evil badass in ROTJ who would rather keep Han arounbd as lampshade than get paid just out of evil spite...NOT...Totally fucks up that part of the storyline and its consistency...Greedo shooting 1st...GAY...I won't even tell you why, becasue if I have to you need more help than I can gove you... The new dog fight...looks cool, but the old one actually flows better...and I'd at least like to have the old one around... Incidentally on the "SE graphics Rock" theory...say whatever you want but no...I mean NOOOOOOO graphic in the non SE (or Shitty-Edition as it really stands fir unbeknownst to most) is as HORRRRIBLY...Mind BOGGLINGLY as HORRENDOUS as the SE Jabba scene (from a purely graphucs standpoint) what the FUCK is up with that HORRIBLE...FAKE...cut out Jabba...it SUCKS...just like the ROTJ "new and "improved"" Dance scene...wow how cool...NOT...Luke-ASS's changes almost univerasally DETRACT from the films...which is why it suck athat all he wants to release is the shit versions...hell the only thing I think he obviouslydid improved was ESB having a bit more of the snow beast...opther than that he's become a HACK.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Fatboy, you're wrong.

    by FluffyUnbound

    There is a very perverse dynamic right now between Lucas and the core Star Wars fans. The first generation to see Star Wars loved it and embraced it. Over time, their affection for it became affection not just for the thing itself, but for their memory of it, and for its place in the fabric of their lives. And they were willing to make Lucas a billionaire, in exchange for a few hours of film and that bronzed memory of 1977. // But then the Special Editions came out. And people were excited to see them, and see what George would do. They expected to enjoy the SE of Episode IV even more than they had enjoyed the original. But they couldn't. The SE isn't that bad, although the Greedo thing is stupid and it can't be rationalized, but it's relatively minor and not anything to write home about it. It's just that you can't compete with nostalgia. People were disappointed in the SE because Star Wars, to be itself, has to be its original 1977 self. Anything else, even if intended as an improvement, does not enjoy the halo of nostalgia and will not be embraced sincerely by the OT's original audience. // But George just doesn't seem to be willing to accept this. He is ANGRY at his original fans, for preferring the memories of their youth to his new toys. It pisses him off and he is not very good at concealing it. And as a result George has openly chosen SPITE as his course of action. [Personally, I act based on spite all the time. It makes me an authority on the subject. Believe me, I recognize it in Lucas.] Any claim that Lucas has "good reasons" - other reasons - for not releasing the OT on DVD are demolished by actions like this. Nothing would be lost to Lucas if a print of the original was released to some dinky film festival. Their request was refused for a reason. The only reason that seems plausible is that Lucas is deliberately spiting people who feel that the place of the original version in history is important. He is spiting people who would want to go to the festival to see the original. He wants to piss on those peoples' preference for the original, and show them that Star Wars is HIS, and not theirs. And George has every right to do this. It's his film. But if you do things like this, you can't expect people to like it. You should expect people to think you're an asshole. You should pick your spots for exhibiting behavior like this, so that you only indulge your spiteful impulses against people who don't matter to you. George can be a bitch about this all he wants - but he should expect to hear complaints about it. If he wants the complaints to stop, he can make peace with his fan base by stopping his Orwellian campaign to stomp the original out of existence ["Oceania has always been at war with Greedo! Greedo always shot first!] and by coming to terms with the fact that Star Wars is embedded in 70's Americana now, and that he can't make it look like AOTC without sacrificing it.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:48 p.m. CST

    It's NOT the Changes...

    by CHEWBLACCA

    ...it's the GREED,POWER and CONTROL.Lucas has to control everything.That's MY point.I don't really mind the altered versions(OK-the JEDI dance number kind of pisses me off).Ah,this is all bullshit.We shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves.We know who our true enemy is.Oh,one more this...Harry Potter is better that the Prequels!Let the attacks begin:)

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Lucas is great!

    by wallytosa

    Well said Fatboy_Roberts. I couldn't agree with you more. I was a teenager when I saw the original. I remember buying the original trilogy widescreen edition on VHS when it first came out. I also remember the special editions being released not long after that. I was pissed. I had just bought the original and now these special editions were out. But I didn't want to spend the extra bucks on a movie I already had. I figured I would "have" to live with the originals. When I saw the special editions in the theater, they were great! It made a great movie, even better. So quit all your whining you assholes. I'm sure the millions of real Star Wars fans out there could give a rats ass. He's releasing a better movie. I, for one, can't wait to see the new and improved special, special edition. Get a life. It's a movie. And our beloved Lucas made them!

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Why the fuck are you still hanging around here then, chrth?

    by scythe1138

    If you're soooo much better than the rest of us, then why are you taking time out of the roller-coaster ride that is the furniture business to sit and bitch in a forum that you wouldn't have even entered if you didn't give a rats ass. Who in the fuck goes out of their way to deride Star Wars fans? "After a tough day at the office, I go to AICN to voice shrill, irrelevant insults at nerds" Get a hobby. This is a fanboy forum, bitching about movies is not only expected, its practically requisite. Yeah they annoy me sometimes too but I don't flaunt my credentials like a total dickhead. Next time say you own a furniture company, maybe someone will be impressed. Take a hike,shitbird, nobody's buying it.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Gorilla

    by Fatboy Roberts

    What is this "CGI-IS-GOD" shit you're putting in my mouth? Look, cut the straw man bullshit out, I never said it, I don't believe it, and it has almost nothing to do with the 5000 words of verbal diarrhea I just unleashed upon this talkback. And if you HONESTLY think that changing 3 minutes of Star Wars makes the movie SUCK all of a sudden, you're letting YOUR ROSE-TINTED memories of watching the movie as a kid get in the way of realizing that 97 percent of the movie is THE EXACT FUCKING SAME. You're not seeing the forest for the trees, to beat a dead horse out of a tired cliche (or something like that) All your tired multi-paragraph complaining about how the Jabba scene is unneccessary and the CGI in it is shitty? You can save it. Not only because I happen to agree in that instance, but because in the overall scheme--it's just a hiccup. It doesn't matter. It's 2 minutes of repetetive storytelling. It doesn't RUIN THE GODDAMN MOVIE. Get up and get a beer out of the fridge or something. if you're watching with yoru kid (like you should be) choose that moment to tousle his hair or something. But don't be such an obsessive asshole as to stomp your feet and demand that we all recognize that the MINUTE changes we see in the Special Editions mean the entire fabric of what makes these movies what they are has been marred and spoiled forever, because in actuality, it's just small detail work in a very large tapestry. It's something only a freakish obsessive would spend time agonizing over to the point where they threaten to burn all their shit and physically harm the person responsible FOR those "happy childhood memories" they're crying about. Although, reading these and every other talkbacks, youd' find it amazing if any of us Star Wars geeks ever had a happy moment in our lives.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:57 p.m. CST

    I Own a Volvo!

    by CHEWBLACCA

    And I've fucked...alot.Anybody impressed?I didn't think so.Now let's stick to the topic:Our love/hate of Star Wars.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Let's just boycott episode 3

    by Henry Fool

    I think it's high time Harry harked back to the days when this site had real guts and issue a beging a netwide campaign to encourage everyone to just boycott episode 3; at least until Lucas recants his inept and foolish decision, a decision that is not only comtemptuous to Star Wars fans but to cinematic history as well. At any rate, here's a saucy little story about Georgy Porgy that I got from a friend. You can decide for yourself. My friend ******** was talking to a girl at a party up here where I live, in the bay area. It seems she worked at one of those disreputable massage parlors we have up here (read hand-job houses). And guess whose one of her regular clients? None other than Mr. George Lucas. She didn't have anything too horrible to say about him but she did mention that he's very fat and has a tiny, tiny little... well, you know. I guess that's why he invented the lightsaber.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Fluffy

    by Fatboy Roberts

    "But George just doesn't seem to be willing to accept this. He is ANGRY at his original fans, for preferring the memories of their youth to his new toys. It pisses him off and he is not very good at concealing it." -- Now unless you were once Lucas's fucking WET NURSE or unless you fetch the no-chinned flanneled-one's coffee every morning, the above statement is nothing more than your PSYCHOTIC PROJECTION OF A PERSONALITY ONTO A MAN YOU'VE NEVER MET AND DON'T KNOW PERSONALLY. How am I supposed to take you seriously, man? When you come up with garbage like that? When it's so obvious you've turned this into a personal thing , with soap-opera style and panache, the kind of garbage storyline you might find at 2 in the afternoon on CBS? What reality are you clutching onto right now? You're making up whole scenarios out of your head and then running full speed with them on the internet like a cybernetic Don Quixote, tilting at the windmill that is Lucasfilm. Point blank--YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. You wanna substitute George Lucas and the Star Wars movies in for some kind of actual worthy cause deserving of your paranoid ideas, be my guest, but don't throw them at me as some kind of proof about how wrong I am, you're not even existing in the same plane of sanity I am right now.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 9:04 p.m. CST

    @scythe1138

    by chrth

    When did I say I owned a furniture business? I'm here trying to recover an instance or two after a hardware crash, and you're jumping on my ass? WHY ARE ALL YOU HATERS?!?! :(

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 9:04 p.m. CST

    How we can get the originals on DVD

    by mclove

    Once the Special Editions in whatever form appear on DVD, wouldn't it be possible for someone to do something like a more advanced version of what those movie censorship companies (CleanFlicks et al) do to get the original trilogy back? Take a special edition DVD, replace the edited and deleted bits with scanned-in footage from an original print (or even just do a new cut so it'll more closely resemble the original), and for every edited copy you sell, buy a legal copy of the special edition trilogy and burn it up or something. Heck, there are original prints floating around out there, why hasn't some enterprising fellow in Taipei with a film scanner put out an illegal DVD yet? C'mon, guys, there's a huge business opportunity here...

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Lampshade

    by Loco Mendoza

    That lampshade comment got me thinking. Okay, so Han delivers the Princess and Luke to Yavin. Mission accomplished. He loads up his ship with his new fortune (are those ammunition boxes?), Leia gives him some grief, the battle starts, and

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Wrong again, Fatboy.

    by FluffyUnbound

    I don't really have a dog in this fight. I don't own ANY - ANY - Star Wars film in any format. I downloaded AOTC, but deleted it after I watched it and didn't like it. I'm not a Star Wars geek, I'm a LOTR geek. I have simply watched the evolution of George's relationship to his fans over the last several years, and I am applying Ocham's razor to what I see. The simplest explanation of many of Lucas' actions is spite. It's that simple. I don't have to meet the man or be his analyst for three years. I never met Torquemada, either, but I understand his motivations based on the record of his actions. People try to explain his behavior based on his artistic perfectionism. I saw AOTC, and the first 40 minutes of TPM, and I simply can't take such a claim seriously. People also try to explain his behavior based on greed - that he wants to sell DVD's of the SE's. This is not a satisfactory explanation either, since if he was motivated by greed he would just release BOTH editions on DVD. Heck, he could have a special Deluxe DVD set with both editions that cost $100, and PEOPLE WOULD BUY IT, if that was the only way to get the original versions. So withholding the originals - forever - would not seem to be motivated by greed, either. The only explanation that makes sense - when considered in conjunction with his defensive declarations about how the films are for children, and that he is worried about children seeing the movies today, and not the original audience for the films - is spite. I'm sorry. Why is it so impossible for you to consider?

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Fatboy

    by 900LBGorilla

    First of all Fatboy, I did not say YOU said CGI is god...i used the plural in that sentence fro a reason...MOST SE lovers are CGI fanatics, offhand I don't recall you being one of them...but I didn't claim you were either... Secondly, I DO find the changes significant, the ENTIRE space battle is different...(and in my opinion inferior), The JAbba scene form a FILM standpoint DOES matter...as does the Han being too goody goody to shoot first...what a pussy..he should now just be a ball-less dead pirate...I mean if in Godfather Part II Michael does not have Fredo killed...that changes what 20 seconds of the film, but it would CHANGE the film VERY significantly...what if Whoever owns the rights to Godfather 2 mde 3 minutes of changes making parts like this wose, then refused to ever release the better version again...that would be stupid right? RIGHT! And THAT is Luke-ASS...Stupid...shit I don't care if he makes 10 more super-duper ultra-pooper versions of Star Wars...and I wouldn't even have a basis to bitch if it were me, my mother, and Harry pining for the Originals...as there would be no business reason to make a DVD verios of the Original....but that is NOT the case....we have an assenine egomaniac who is a shell of his former movie-making self fucking up the best Sci-Fantasy films ever released, and refusing to give a ready to buy public the better versions...ever...just because he is an A-HOLE...Sorry, maybe I'm nuts, but to me it's obvious who the whiney immature ass is here...its, and its Luke-ASS.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Loco Mendoza Has a Point.

    by CHEWBLACCA

    But I think I have a answer.He hung around to keep Luke from nailing his sister.Han wanted that sweet royal ass for himself.After That business at Jabba's,we all found out how right that pirate was.Oh yeah.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 9:19 p.m. CST

    The Originals will be releases along with new movies

    by Aetius450

    Lucas may yet change his mind on releasing the original versions, but even if he doesn't, Lucas will not live forever. Someone (probably his children) will inherit the rights to SW. Maybe they will respect his wishes for awhile, but if there is still a demand for the originals they will offer it. And eventually the copyright on SW will run out (I think). Before that happens, his heirs will no doubt make new SW movies, they'd be crazy not to. And that's good; there's no reason profit motive can't result in great movies. And if the perception of the Prequels is still so mixed (probably a certainty), then the chances are good that they will be remade. That will be a shame for the talented cast of the new ones (Christensen, Portman, McGregor, Jackson,Neeson,etc), who will be penalized in cinematic history for things beyond their control: Reading the lines Lucas wrote, under Lucas' direction.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Jabba's palace

    by Loco Mendoza

    Ah, yes, Jabba's palace -- a fortress of delights for young geek fantasies. But, in retrospect, Luke's plan for busting Han out is pretty moronic. How did he present this to the team: "Okay, R2 and C3PO, you guys go in first, and get captured. Chewy and Leia, you guys go in second. Oh, by the way, make sure to get captured too. And, sorry Leia, you might become Jabba's love slave. Chewy, there could be torture. But that's alright because I'll show up tomorrow and get captured myself. Any questions?"

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Gotta Chime in Here...

    by Grimjack99

    ...and bring the cold, harsh, voice of REASON into this, this wretched hive of scum and villainy (you know who you are). I'm on the side of about 90% of you in here. I'm pissed at Lucas for deciding to never release the movie I saw as a child on DVD. But let me 'splain. The 70's release of Star Wars was a significant, though not life-changing, moment for me. It pretty much decided what my Christmas list was going to consist of for the next five years, though. Yep, I was George's target demographic, and I exceeded his expectations. Now, it's 26 years later, and I'm one of the fortunate few who has a non-special-edition version of the film (now, if only I could find a copy that didn't have the damned "Episode IV" bullshit). I was just as torqued as any of you when I heard what Lucas is doing (you all know the tale, so why recap?). IMHO, though, it could have been a lot worse. He could have gone ahead and simply REMADE the film. Remakes are out there, people. Just think, Ashton Kutcher as Luke, Russell Crowe as Han, and Jennifer Aniston as Leia, with a CGI Chewbacca and thousands of CGI stormtroopers. It could have been a LOT worse. Now, I've signed the originaltrilogy.com petition, and if you want a decent shot at getting the original film on DVD, you may want to consider doing the same. This is the only thing that even has a remote chance of changing Lucas' mind, and that's only if the numbers on the petition can show him a definite profit in bringing out the original release. This constant harping and carping back and forth is only going to set back geek relations with the mainstream world, so just repeat to yourself; It's just a show, I should really just relax!

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Lucas is wack

    by Mafu

    F that guy. Not only has he destroyed the franchise with the two newest, weakass films, he's also trying to make people forget that his films used to be good. F Lucas and his self-absorbed, wanna-be Joseph Campbell attitude. Get a fucking clue, George. Until then, fuck you!

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Luca$ regrets making Star Wars and wants to completly destroy th

    by NFLRefugee

    Get it? I used to love the franchise. Even camped out for Phantom Menance four years ago. Four years later, I could care less if I ever see the films (original, special edition or prequel) again. I could care less if I ever see Episode 3. Hell, the only reason I saw Episode 2 in a theatre was because a Red Sox game I was going to got rained out and it happened to playing across from Fenway Park. I figured since all the bars were crowded and I was already in town I should do something. Luca$ wants to bury the franchise so he can move on to more advant garde projects. Personally, I think it would be a great idea. I would like to see Luca$ make something other than Star Wars, or Indy Jones for that matter, because I do think that there is a talented filmmaker hiding underneath all the piles of money and self-hatred.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Who really cares

    by Itchy

    I mean, really ... is it that big of a deal ? Oh wait - IT SURE AS FUCK IS. Greedo shooting first ? Lucase might as well have ass raped my wife while I watched on in horror. I wouldn't use his SE edition for a cumrag. Fuck him in his stupid ass. I'm only watching Sci-Fi which maintains its integrity - like the Star Trek franchise.

  • i know we all just sound like whiners but those of us who grew up on these movies feel betrayed. to a 9 year old, they were art, they were perfect, they were the standard to which all other films were to be held. it's just a little painful to watch then go under the knife to make them more marketable. yes they're george's movies, yes he can do what he wants to them, but i'll be damned if i won't speak out against it. the apparent greed that he displays in bleeding every cent out of franchise undermines the moral message of the movies themselves and it sucks to realize that the great and powerful oz of my childhood is just a plaid wearing little man behind a curtain.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:08 p.m. CST

    George Lucas is a fat, stupid pig.

    by Random

    Fuck you Lucas.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:09 p.m. CST

    I actually watched the SW SE once

    by Conan_the_Humble

    And heard George talking all about his alterations. In his owns words he says that movies are NEVER finished they're simply abandoned. Wee I'd wish HE'd abandon movies, then we wouldn't be forced to endure any more of his tripe. Cheers.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Oh be easy on George

    by JackieJokeman

    Fudge that. I just got the widescreen laserdisc original versions off ebay. Suck it Lucas

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:12 p.m. CST

    when those Special Editions of Episodes IV, V, and VI actually c

    by Bregalad_

    not a single one of ya'll is gonna buy them! Are you.... ARE YOU? I thought not. Don't even think about it. Vote "NO" with your cash. Yes, Uncle George actually listens to the sound of revenue streams falling off to nothing. He won't listen to your plaintive cries on this thread, but he'll for DAMN SURE listen to the sales reports that declare, "Fans don't like these Special Editions, they're not buying them...."

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Lucas is a painter, huh?

    by goatron1

    If Lucas is going to use the analogy of filmaking as painting as an excuse to endlessly tinker with Star Wars he should really consider the difference in mediums. Yes, a painter can endlessly re-work a painting...that's the nature of paint. However, once an artist has sold or exhibited their work they realise, that on some level, it no longer belongs to them. The mature painter.sculptor, ect realizes that their work is representative of the best skills and ideas they had to offer the world AT THAT POINT IN TIME! Every person involved with the creation of art occasionally looks back at their work and inwardly cringes....that's natural, however, they accept thesepersonal limitations and works harder to fully develop new,more skillful work in the future. By endlessly fucking with his original films, Lucas has revealed his own immature attitudes towards his own work. Star Wars is an important film BECAUSE it was created within the limited framework of the time.Time+Skill=Art. He should accept it as a flawed work. All great art has flaws, rather than introducing new and improved flaws into Star Wars, he should realize that these flaws are part of the whole and cannot be seperated from the film without destroying all that was originally great, revolutionary, and powerful in the original.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:39 p.m. CST

    ShadowInc is the only motherfucker here who is making any sense

    by Dan_Average

    THAT IS ALL

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Lucas is clueless He's on Pluto....

    by Red Raider

    I was pissed at Spielberg at the whole "walkie-talkie" thing, but at least he gave us both the original & special editions of E.T. on dvd. Lucas doesn't even plan to do that. Modesto punk....

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:49 p.m. CST

    SE and prequel bashing aside...

    by The Killer-Goat

    and I do agree with ebonic, and a very hearty bravo to Fluffy for an insightful pov... but the main point is that it's an historical film festival. A piece of *history*, as in, the original occurrance. I for one no longer really care if Lucas releases 3 more altered Special Editions of any of his films, it won't alter the original experience. Show me he can make something substantial aside from the original trilogy and I might shell out some cash. I also don't care to hear the fanboys giving the original film so much over-importance based on nostalgia. But no way should the administration be hedged into showing the Special Edition when the emphasis is supposed to be on films that made an impact at the time of their release. The SE may represent Lucas original vision, perhaps, but that wasn't on the screen back then. To say it's entirely *his* film pretty much omits John Dykstra's work on that original reel, too. Lucas has alot of other people to thank for getting his film off the ground in a way that 'wowed' audiences. Those clumsy (by today's standards) matte shots marked progressive efforts of vfx that gave the industry a well-needed kick in the ass. In no other event than this particular festival, could the original footage have an actual precedent, because of the historical theme. Perhaps reading further, one might theorize that Lucas may indeed be considering an original release, wanting to make some grandiose and overblown marketing blaze on his own terms, rather than allow a small tease. But his dismissal for permission, to a society of actual film aficionados of all types, not an exclusive band of SW geekers, is in bad taste.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:49 p.m. CST

    CRTH Suck it Boy!

    by Neo-Mark

    Hey CRTH, Got bad news for u Pal. YOur high-paying IT job is headed to INDIA my friend. As our a lot of my friends who are still in IT. SO enjoy those hookers while you can still afford them. And Gl can never take away sitting on top of my families Plymouth Station wagon, seeing Star Wars in 1977 at the Drive-IN. I will forgive anything GL has done if EPIII is what it should be.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Fuck George Lucas...

    by Rupee88

    ...fuck him in his stupid fucking ass. He is trying to force his SE versions down everyone's throat when many of us think they suck and the originals were better. I for one would NEVER buy a DVD of the SE. I'll just watch my copy of Star Wars on VHS.

  • I can't believe its been over 6 years since I started coming to this site, and the only time I ever did a Talkback was for Harry's review of the Southpark movie. With that out of the way, let me explain my view on this whole matter. I think I'm in a somewhat unique situation. I'm 25 years old, which means I was born in 1977, the same year Star Wars came out. I never saw it or Empire in a theater, I MIGHT have seen Jedi when I was like 6, but if I did I don't remember it. I do remember my brother renting Jedi when it came out on VHS. I just wasn't interested in it. I had my GI Joe and He-Man and I couldn't give a flip about Star Wars. Flash forward a years, sometime in the early 90's when I was a teenager, some of my friends were talking about Star Wars and I realized I had never saw the movies. Sure I'd seen bits and pieces, and I knew the major plot twists, but I had never sat down and watched the movies from beginning to end. I decide since its such a huge cultural thing, maybe I should watch it. So I rent the entire trilogy and watch it in one night and end up loving it. I become a fan basically overnight. I ask my parents for a videotape copy of the trilogy for Christmas(Full Screen). Flash to a couple of years after that, and I start using the internet at school. I realize that besides porn, I might be able to find out about Star Wars on the internet. There are of course dozens of sites around, and I find out about the Prequel trilogy finally being planned. I also hear about the new Power of the Force action figures. I start collecting them in the beginning, perhaps making up for never having any when I was a kid. One day while sitting in a computer class in early '97, I'm on some site reading about Star Wars action figures when I see a link to a site called "Ain't It Cool News". I remember some guy posting it saying "This guy is way ahead of everyone with news, he broke the story of who would be starring in the Star Wars Prequels. So I start visiting this site, back in the pre-talkback, old site design phase. In the meantime, I go to see the Special Editions a couple of times each in the theater. I even go see the Star Wars Behind the Magic thing at the Smithsonian, with the original models and costumes on display. Which brings us to 1999, and the Phantom Menace. I'm not even going to get into that, because I've rambled on way too long anyway. My point is (and damned if I didn't know I had a point). Even though I was kind of in the key market for Star Wars, I've only been a fan for about 10 years now. I realize now that I have NEVER seen the original versions of the movies in widescreen. Now I know that I could buy a widescreen VHS copy from ebay. Its just that I never buy VHS anymore, I've only bought DVD's for years now. I've even tried looking on ebay for the bootleg DVD's, but all I see are DVD's of the Special Editions. I'm not so pissed that I'll never buy a Star Wars DVD, I'm sure I'll buy the Original Trilogy Special Edition or whatever its going to be called. I can't say Lucas raped my childhood, because I didn't like Star Wars at all as a kid. I don't feel I'm owed anything. I know George Lucas can wipe his ass with original copies of the movies if he wants, because he owns it all. I just honestly don't understand how he can bury his original vision. We all know he has tons of money. He never seemed to care about releasing tons of versions on VHS. It just makes no sense how he can act like the original versions never existed. I think I have to agree with whoever it was earlier that said it was spite. What else could it be? Lucas knows pretty much any version he releases is going to sell. He's not stupid. If it was a greed thing, we would have gotten bare bones discs of the OT years ago, then a box set of the Special Editons a year later, then finally a super box set of all six movies. I wish I could ask him personally, but since I can't I'll continue to look for a good bootleg of the original movies, I'll buy the edition he puts out on DVD, and I'll still never understand how someone can either be so stupid or so spiteful.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 11:34 p.m. CST

    HardCoreRocker, you win the Trollbuster award for 2003!

    by Noriko Takaya

    Best. Smackdown. Ever. And I'm signing that petition; so should everyone else here who wants to see the OT intact! This is coming from someone who *likes* the Special Editions, mind you (though Jabba in Ep IV could use some cleaning up). http://www.originaltrilogy.com: It is your destiny. Finally, I must say: HardCoreRocker, Fatboy_Roberts, CHEWBLACCA (sir, I envy you your handle) GadZookss and even wee willie chrth have made this one of the more entertaining Talkbacks I've read in awhile. Welp--back to swallowing my boyfriend's cum! Toppu o Nerae!

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Grow up!

    by Wontar

    I will say this one time and one time only. You people who base your entire lives around a sci/fi movie more than 20 years old and then when something doesn't go right in your eyes you tear it down and call it crap. Star Wars is George Lucas's movie its his franchise and whether you like it or not he controls it until the day he passes on. Sci/fi fans have become way to cynical with all the bonbardment of sci/fi movies. I remember people claiming Episode I as the second comming and that it will be an event but then everyone who super cratiques everything against their memories say "That movie sucked" I know that no one will like everything that comes out of hollywood and even when Lucas comes out with anything regarding Star Wars. Still I put up this challenge if you can make a better movie then put up or shut up. I'm so sick of people saying these things. Thats all good bye.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Lucas doesn't care

    by Karl_Hungus

    The sad thing is he's so filthy rich he doesn't care what he does. Even if we boycott episode three Lucasfilm will still keep him filthy rich. To those who defend he's actions of the last twenty years-why would a filmaker who could get any project made be so unproductive? Why did he wait so long to make the prequels? Because he was waiting for HASBRO's toy contract to run out. The only reason he added the extra footage was to justify rereleasing the trilogy(not that he needed justification). Of course he'll release the OT after he cleans up on the OT SE. His original vision? Yeah right. Why was Jabba a fat guy in the original footage? He wasn't a stand in for post production because he was in costume. In the comic Jabba looked like a yellow camel dude. In his original treatment Obi-Wan didn't die. AND ONE MORE THING-the OT is a big deal. If you grew up in the seventies nothing came close to the magic of these movies. I have no religious denomination. The Force/Jedis/The Dark Side was the closest thing I had to a religion. The prequels are the equivalent of blasephemy to me. Oh well, here's to hoping Peter Jackson doesn't fall off his rocker and somehow tarnish his masterful trilogy 15 years down the road.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Lucas has gone to the Dark Side

    by The Game Master

    Okay, I'll make a stretch: Years ago I lost my Christian faith, but it was a long, drawn out ordeal of grasping at straws, wanting to find reasons to hold onto the belief. Well, it finally died. This latest act of Lucas killing his creation is comparable to that experience, as my childhood memories (I was born in 1974 so I grew up with Star Wars like so many others) have been tested, tried, and finally died. I have been making excuses for the prequals, defending them, defending the Special Editions, etc etc etc. But for the original print not to be seen in a historical context proves to me that Lucas has "Taken the quick and easy path" (to CGI and money), turned his movie into a bad cartoon, and finally squashed the last bit of faith out of the Force. I guess it's fitting that Episode III will end on a dark note, as Lucas himself says, for art imitates life, and visa-versa. In fact, the one thing I could never make an excuse for with the prequal trilogy is that the Force seems to be absent from it. I don't mean talking about the Force, I mean FEELING it. Well, Lucas, I'll remember Episodes IV, V and VI like Obi-Wan, saying how "They were the best star fighting movies in the galaxy, and they were a good friend, before the dark times, before the 90s".

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Mouyawn Rouge

    by 9000rpm

    Any festival that celebrates Moulin Rouge as anything other than a complete abandonment of original story doesn't deserve to be allowed to show Star Wars. Cinema of the Century? One of the worst, more likely.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Stop the Lucas bashing already!

    by BobaBrett

    While I share most of your sentiments about the special editions and the prequels, I'm gonna draw the line at attacking George Lucas. Between Star Wars and the Indiana Jones movies, the man has entertained me more than anyone else in the film industry I can think of. Star Wars also provided me with a much needed escape during a difficult time in my adolescent life. When my parents divorced, I found myself turning to booze and drugs to cope with it, but then Star Wars came along and offered me an alternative form of escapism. His wonderful galaxy, chock full of lofty ideals and virtuous heroes helped me to believe in things again - most importantly MYSELF. I was inspired beyond words. I cleaned up my act, and even began to care about, of ALL things, my schoolgrades. I began to imagine my own universe, and my own heroes, and as of this moment I am well into the second draft of a screenplay which, if it's ever put to film, I can only hope will honor Mr. Lucas. I owe him a great debt for helping to steer me down the path that I find myself on today. Thankyou, Mr. Lucas. Thankyou so much. Your ETERNAL fan, John B. Haines Englewood, Fla.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Yeah, the real tragedy is that they are showing Moulin Rouge!

    by Smeg For Brains

    What the hell! There hasn't been a better film made so far to represent the 00's?! I could name a hundred. At least they included The Graduate. That shows some sense of sanity.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:11 a.m. CST

    A couple of quick responses

    by Dan_Average

    "It brought the term 'blockbuster' to the film going lexicon." Not really, that was mostly "Jaws." "It built the bridge to tie-in movie merchandising." I'll give you this, although that's not exactly a point in its favor. "It proved that science fiction was a viable genere, and didn't have to be represented by bad B movies with cardboard sets and crappy FX." Oops, that's exactly what Star Wars is. Oh well.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:23 a.m. CST

    HEY, NIMRODS

    by Monkeybrains

    You idiots make me sick. Your not real Star Wars fans, you lame ass whining bitches who think something is owed to you. Well George Lucas owes you nothing. If he wants to redo his own movie, it

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:30 a.m. CST

    It's all about the money

    by RowanM

    George Lucas is doing the same thing that the existing Beatles are doing today. Re editing and repackaging the same stuff that made them famous in the first place. It's a joke. It's one of the biggest public scams ever. I would say that I like Star Wars. I'm not over obsessed about it or anything (unlike LOTR). I'd really like to know what George Miser Lucas is thinking. Shame on whoever made that decision.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:41 a.m. CST

    A few fun things

    by The Game Master

    Okay, I'll admit, this particular talkback is fun. First, business: Cinema largely creates the mythology of our times, movie houses are our churches by and large, and their progession is important--Lucas should allow the original print at the festival. Bottom line. About the Special Edition, well, some things were improvements (like Han turning around when he saw an army of Storm Troopers--that made sense when the original did not). However, Lucas seems to only care about what makes better special effects, not what makes a better story. He should allow the original print at the festival and attend himself (in disguise), and listen to the crowd's reactions at moments he has changed or plans to change. Now for the fun part of this post: To the noisy negatives in this forum, I live next to four military bases, and have a lot of friends there, and ALL of them are Star Wars fans. You know, the people who defend our nation and give people a right to bitch and call others geeks. And they are not just grunts--I'm talking M.I., Rangers, and even S.E.A.L. Also, your truly, a bonafide geek myself, am a nice, toned 220 pounds with only 17% body fat (had it tested earlier this week), work out five days a week, work 12 hour days, and have (count 'em) 3 male friends and over a dozen female friends, all of which are trim, in the 20s, good looking, etc, and yes they all have jobs, careers, cars, real-lives--and they don't care if I'm a Star Wars fan--they like me anyway. The point is, even geeks can have real lives. And yes, I have a girlfriend, who is quite cute. Now, back to business: My profession is art, of many kinds (sculpting, painting, writing, theater, etc). As an artist, I can safely say that I am disappointed with Lucas, from a cinematic standpoint. If you read this, Mr. Lucas, I may have lost my faith in you, and you may be "more machine now than man" or perhaps "more CGI than spirit", but you know, even Vader came back at the end. Do us all a favor: use less CGI in the post-production of Episode III, make the original versions of the trilogy available on DVD, and by all means allow the original 1977 print to be screened at the festival. For those (including Mr. Lucas) who say "Get a life, it's only a movie", well, it IS ONLY A MOVIE, so what's the harm in allowing BOTH versions to be available for those who want them?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Fuck it...

    by BuggerOff

    ...just show "Annie Hall" instead.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Who would you be without George Lucas influencing your life and

    by FD Resurrected

    Christ. George Lucas is just a human being, a FILMMAKER. Your insulting him with F-words will not give him a good impression. He MADE the films right from the first concept and it's his DECISION to make changes with his films. HIS DECISION, HIS RIGHT, HIS BABY. He doesn't give a FUCK about you fanboy idiots. If you whine so much about Lucasfilm not approving the screening of the original Star Wars film, in which the film's COPYRIGHT belongs to the one and the only George Lucas, get yourself the original, unraped Star Wars Trilogy video set or laserdisc set at thrift shop or off of eBay. Had the young man George Lucas DIED in a car accident (which he ACTUALLY came very, very close to death) there wouldn't be American Graffiti, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Willow and Industrial Light & Magic. George Lucas is a LOT more influential than you think or will ever contribute (VFX and modeling artists' contribution to the film industry because of their influence by Star Wars would be greatly appreciated). James Cameron would NOT exist as a filmmaker had the first time watching Star Wars in 1977 not have a HUGE impact on his life and he went on to make a short film with his friend William Wisher Jr who insisted Jim try screenwriting to break into a B-movie business as an upstart. Lucas DOES NOT care one teeny bit about your OPINION unless you write him a polite letter without condescending and vulgar tone and content. Star Wars is HIS BABY and he can do anything he wants with it, including burning the negative film to banish the original Star Wars into extinction. I'm willing to give George Lucas a slack because he CREATED the whole Star Wars universe and you are a viewer, a customer whose obsession overrides common sense and respect to insult George Lucas. Yes, I agree Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition is pure shit with the obvious CGI effects and revisionism thrown in but it is Lucas's SOLE decision regardless of how you think and feel. I'm more respectful to Mr. Lucas because he's a great filmmaker and a huge, powerful influence on the cutthroat Hollywood system, defying convention and naysayers to make one of the most influential and successful films in the history of cinema. Of course I think his prequel films are mediocre shit when it comes to lame dialogues and wooder-than-the-forest acting but I still have a great deal of respect for Mr. Lucas like I would for his best friend Steven Spielberg and their buddies Robert Zemeckis and James Cameron. Without further ado, quit insulting George Lucas with all the violent and disrespectful insults - you'll only make him want to hate adult Star Wars fans even more and disregard any angry swearing SW fan saying "Fuck Lucas up his ass" again and again as a loser who have a hard time getting over this disappointing news even though it's to be expected since Lucasfilm Ltd is tough on protecting copyright even if it confounds common sense. QUIT BITCHIN' AND AND GET A LIFE YOU GODDAMNED STAR WARS LAMERS

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:16 a.m. CST

    I just wanted to apologize...

    by chrth

    for being a dick to y'all earlier. Things were falling apart in the office, and I took it out this board, and that was wrong of me. I'm sorry, and I hope we can still be friends. Have a good weekend. Peace out.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:17 a.m. CST

    George Lucas

    by Sro100

    Can do what he damn-well pleases with the films he created.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Wontar

    by 900LBGorilla

    And Grow up! A) Uh Wontar...Give us a fucking break will ya? Is your theory really that sitting on your ass at a computer defending crappy movie making is somehow superior to calling said "artist" on his shit? Hate to break it too ya...it AIN'T...Let's come back to reality and call a turd a turd...you can verbally polish the turd...you can verbally wax the turd....you can even verbally reshape the turd...but in the end...a turd is a turd...(or a piece of shit if you prefer)...and sitting there saying we should all sit on our asses, lie to ourselves, and be "rosy" and cheerful about a turd being placed where something sweeter smelling once was is just assenine...Ironically your subject line is misleadig...because "grown ups" are supposed to deal in "reality"...not in sesame street where people who live in trash cans are just funny muppets....or GL's decisions on the OT are not retarded...cause they are...you need to just "Grow up" as you would put it, admit it to yourself...and move on...take the adult view...Luke-ASS is just human...and even guys you may like are really fucking assholes sometimes...hes an A-HOLE...welcome to grown up land! B) Who gives a shit if George owns the movies...your second delusional point appears to be that beacuse he "owns" the movies, he is therefore immune to criticism about what he DOES with the movies...This is the dumbest thing I have heard since...well since Greedo shooting first! I hope that you at least evenly apply your rather epilectic logic and never (EVER) criticize a film-maker for taking a movie in the wrong direction...no matter how shitty the movie is....I mean otherwise you would be a complete hypocrite...right? C) To take you final (and dumbest) point to task, I now challenge YOU to never criticize ANYONE who does a bad job, unless you know how to do their job better...I mean if a chef fucks up your gormet dinner...SHUT UP, until YOU become a gormet chef and can go back and run a kitchen at a fancy restaurant casue who the fuck are you to tell HIM he fucked up...if your accountant gives you bad advice, and you lose money....better (yup) shut the fuck up until YOU have an accounting degree and can give YOURSELF advice...by your standards...I guess you better become start learning to shut the fuck up...or you better learn how to do EVERYTHING so you are worthy of expressing your displeasure... (P.S. and "NEWSFLASH", just because someone citicizes something, doesn't mean they've "based their entire lives around it" .... in fact for a guy who apparently doesn't "base his entire life on a movie" you seem just as energized to express your view on the subject as some who disagree with you....maybe you are taking this too seriosuly....you should rethink your life...spanking over...by by)

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Thanks Gorilla and Tayaka

    by HardcoreRocker

    I seriously miss the heydays of this site, when the trolls got yelled at for their stupid point of view, and then someone defended the troll, and then a huge epic war of profanities broke out. So let chrth have his fabulous job where the money comes in on diamond platters carried by naked supermodels...nothing beats calling a guy on bullshit. And then watching his weak attempts at coming back. Sigh. www.rockithardcore.com

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:55 a.m. CST

    George Lucas here, with a message to all of you....

    by GeorgeLucas

    First of all, Star Wars is MY creation - not yours - to do with what I will, and all of you pimple-faced geeks who have nothing better to do with your wasted lives but sit here bitching about my movie better listen up, and fast... I OWN your asses! Yes, OWN! No matter how you much you complain about Star Wars, you'll all still be standing in line opening day, money in hand, ready to fork it over! Screw you! Shut-up, pop in your Phantom Menace DVD, zone out, and kiss my ass!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Bill Maher is a retard

    by 900LBGorilla

    And his "Rules" are usually as stupid as yours is. ---------------------------------- I like your verbal barf festival best of all...I am glad you can take more time and energy than like 80% of the poeple here by barfing up that small book that tells the rest of us you have a crystal ball and ESP thus allowing you to tell how much we all weigh and how few girlfreinds we have.........are you in the IT field too? How much do you weigh? Do you really have a girlfriend? Do you pay her? How ugly is he...I mean she? You see I don't have a crstal ball, so I don't know how fat, ugly, and lonely you are...but I could guess with some certaintly that you most likey are all 3 given your fixation on these subjects...I'm just not sure...so please since you know so much about us...share! (BTW if you are gay, we won't hold that against you...because there is nothing wrong with that, so be honest). ---------------------------------- Oh and by the way, the one point you had is well taken...why WOULD Luke-ASS EVER listen to all this negativism...if we don't ask politely, of COURSE he would just say "Fuck off and die" OBVIOSELY!...Damn, I mean if us stupid fans had ONLY bitched about Jar Jar in a "nice way" after TPM, Luke-ASS might have whittled the Gun Guns role down to almost nothing in Episode II! Damn US! Damn us to HELL! Oh wait, we were as rude as all hell, and jar jar had 1, 2, 3...how many seconds of screen time in AOTC?...oops forget it I was wrong, your point was shit... by by...

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:58 a.m. CST

    An open letter to Linda

    by ChickenGeorgeVII

    Dear Miss Ronstadt.....Mr. Lucas is smitten for you....has been for years....and your distaste for the Star Wars films has caused him to go into a nightmarish tizzy of re-editing constantly in order for you to enjoy the films so you will suddenly fall in love with him and live happily ever after.....The results of this sad romance is killing what an entire generation holds as a treasure......So, I ask of you, Miss Ronstadt.....TAKE GEORGIE'S DICK IN YOUR HAND....RUB IT....THEN STICK IT IN YOUR MOUTH....AND RUB IT WITH YOUR TOUNGUE....THEN GET ON TOP OF IT AND RIDE RIDE RIDE.....And then when he is spent like a five dollar bill in a strip club....tell him he will never see bush again until he reverts the films back to their former glory......And thus, I have pleaded! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 2:09 a.m. CST

    New Rules #3 and 4

    by 900LBGorilla

    Rule #3: This site needs someone intelligent and/or at least coherent to make "rules", and until the day that happens, all previous and future "rules" are the null and void ramblings of a delusional poster who is mainly good being monkey stomped by a large gorilla in front of a national audience. ---------------------------------Rule 4: Anyone named "Bill" or "Maher" is unconditionally and forever excluded from making rules as he clearly does not meet the basic criteria of rule #3. Furthermore, if there are any doubts or disputes as to the meaning and/or validity of a past, present, or future rule...see rule #3.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 2:10 a.m. CST

    I wish I could work for a furniture company

    by Elwood Blues

    Man oh man, that's the dream job for me. I'm in awe of those lucky bastards making those middle class dollars in that exciting atmosphere.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 2:11 a.m. CST

    I GUESS IT'S TOO BAD LUCAS DIDN'T MAKE KILL BILL, EVERYONE'D BE

    by watashiwadare

    No, wait lets get this straight, so there's no discussion, READ MY LIPS, there was no cinema before killswill. How many 5 star masterpiece reviews did Star Wars get anyway? Not as many as Killswill! Don't forget that or suffer the consequences of unhip.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Ranking The 'Star Wars' films

    by Krinkle

    1) The Empire Strikes Back 2) Attack Of The Clones 3) Star Wars 4) Phantom Menace 5) Return Of The Jedi Please, Mr. Lucas, forgive these fools. They know not what they do. These are your movies. I love them, most people with a sense of humor and humanity think they're just fine. All of them. The old ones with the swashbuckling, and these new ones with the ironic set-up. These 'Aint It Cool' people? Just waving their dicks in the wind. Looking forward to "Episode 3" and the conclusion of your terrific fantasy epic. I know you're making these pictures for future generations, not simply pandering to the failed generation (headed by the rather dull but enthusiastic Harry Knowles) who were originally enchanted by the films.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Anertak

    by 900LBGorilla

    Boy the "winners" are just FLYING out of the woodwork tonight...lord I love easy targets...Let me quote Anertak: ----------------------------------(Ad lib) "You fat assinine assholes suck ass, you are school boy virgins who like roleplaying games, and are also assholes and virgins...you are gay and you are faggots...harry is gay too ....fuck you all" (or something like that) ---------------Followed by------------- "before I loved the original movie, and I'm also a stable and mature enough individual to be able to see that the additions GL made to it make it better, if anything". ---------------------------------My Comment----------------------- Yes Anertak you are clearly both stable AND mature...we valueyour opinion...REALLY....now please...step AWAY from the pointy objects and go back into your soft padded room....Nice Anertek...Nice....good room...soft...nice...soothing...

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 2:30 a.m. CST

    A SANITY CHECK - PLEASE READ!!

    by MKiro

    I'm 45 years of age, and I stood in line for first night of the original Star Wars in 1977 (and the same for the subsequent 2 movies). It did have an enormous influence on me and my memories of thos movies will stay with me for the rest of my life. I have not seen the 'Special Editions', and I don't intend to purchase them when they are (finally) released on DVD. I had the originals on laserdisc and wathced them every year-or-so until I gave them away in 2000. Now, I can understand the hostility about Lucas not releasing prints of the originals for this Century Of Cinema screening, as the material isn't representative of that decade. However, I don't understand the outcry about not being able to obtain the 'original' versions on DVD. Sanity check - the original was made for theatrical release. Watching it on DVD, no matter how cool your sound system or how big your TV screen, cannot replicate that experience. You might as well watch the Special Edition, as the medium you are viewing it on is much more of a contrast (to cinema) than the actual version of the movies. You CANNOT replicate that theatrical experience on a Home Cinema system, so you 'purists' should get off your high horses and think a little more logically. As a footnote, for me Star Wars began with 'A New Hope' and ended with 'ROTJ'. The two subsequent sequels were pathetic exercises in exploitation and if not for their predecessors, would be consigned in the 'B-movie' bin at Blockbuster. Lucas had his day in the late 70's - early 80's and has demonstrated that he is not a filmmaker for the new millenium. The man is still deluded by the fact that he can tell a story and entertain millions as he did 20 years ago. Sadly, this is not a reality. Until 2 years ago the Star Wars movies were my favourite (in that genre) of all time. They have now been deposed by LOTR - a series of movies which are rich in story, character and drama and perfect for the audiences of the new millenium. Not only is the King dead... he died in the 80's. Get over it. Treasure the memories and move on.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Star Wars Fans the lowest on the food chain?

    by LewisWetzel

    Need I remind you of that remnant population of living fossils, the Logan's Run geeks? They still exist, albeit in tiny numbers, like those Frenchmen working for a restoration of the Bourbon dynasty. And whether or not Lucas has the right to change his creation is beside the point: his movie was included in this festival because it was a milestone in cinema HISTORY. That historical version - the 70's one, and not Lucas' "improvement" on it - is the only appropriate one IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS FILM FESTIVAL.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Krinkle

    by magyarman

    I liked how you compared Lucas being flamed by SW geeks to Christ being crucified. Nice touch.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Some more rules

    by Karl_Hungus

    No more losers who've seen Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back and think it's cool to hurl profanities at fanboys on the internet. No more postings that say " grow up, get a life Blah, blah, blah." While you may not share an opinion, you're doing the same fucking thing as us! So if we're losers for killing some time on this site then you are too. Anyone who personally insults strangers they've never met have serious issues to work out or come to grips with, like having a small dick, (no pun intended). And FIY, I'm 5.9", 180. Bartender/manager, artist/writer, have plenty of friends-men and women, currently single but am taking a cute girl to my friends wedding tommorrow and got laid two weeks ago (different girl). Don't believe me-I don't care.

  • Plus why oh why if only 1/10 of all the 20+ STAR WARS geeks went outside the skywalker ranch for a protest then the matter would been solved in a matter of minutes! No we are too lazy! we prefer sitting ebhind a monitor and hitting buttons on a keyboard. Well we deserve it then. WE deserve Jar Jar, we deserve Bush WE deserve fucking death! IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE ORIGINAL MASTERPIECE that came out "to our galaxy" that summer of 1977 then get your shit together and head for fucking San fRansisco and the famous hidden fortress that SKYWALKER's is... I believe there is still some good in Darth Lucas... Darth Vader saved his son, Lucas can save his own child from the hands of the Emperor... But it is irony as Lucas is both Vader and Palpatine at the same time... This is as "PSYCHO" as it gets. NOW AGAIN E-mail LUCASFILM with your complaints, mail them, call them fucking go there yourself. THATS THE ONLY WAY, the rebels way.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:45 a.m. CST

    WITH YOUR MAMA TOO FAT BOY!...

    by thx777b

    You probably thought we(or just me) were dumb enough not to know what Y TU MAMA TAMBIEN means... pft... i hate people like you!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:56 a.m. CST

    DickDonuts

    by Dan_Average

    What points? That Star Wars is overrated shit? I knew that years ago. Or are you talking about the bit where you claim Jaws wouldn't have happened without Star Wars despite being released earlier?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Can I call myself a Star Wars fan if I like Empire Strikes Back/

    by Aston Lad

    Just checking. It's funny, I normally go on about how most sequels are a waste of time, but in this case, Star Wars is actually a better movie because of what it spawned in 1980/1983.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Harry quit whining and show some balls...

    by Retrop

    Fact is, when the series comes out in the super-de-duper delux box set it will sell through the roof. The dumbasses who stood in line for months for Episode 2 even after ep one sucked stinky ass will be buying two or three copies of the sets even though they don't include the original versions. They'll also come to sites like this and bitch about it. But the fact is they'll still squeeze into their cheeto stained Star Wars undies, hug their life size Leia body pillows and sit slack jawed before the flicker of their big screen t.v popping woodies as soon as Darth Vader's asthmatic breath circulates through their sound systems. The box sets will sell like fucking crazy because you geeks are all George's bitches and he'll keep bending you over again and again and you'll beg for more. Does anyone here honestly believe Harry won't be knocking people out of the way to buy the full set even without the original version? Tell you what Harry, set up a special guestbook on this site specifically for people to sign and say they refuse to buy any box set that doesn't include the originals. Once you have a couple thousand signatures send Lucas the link. The next time you've got a mic in your face tell the world what you think of Lucas. You won't, you know why? Because you're his biggest bitch of all. Go ahead, use your "clout" to show George how many people hate what he's doing. I'll sign the fucking thing, I dare you, put your money where your mouth is.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Trollmassacre

    by mayaV

    HardcoreRocker, you definitely rock it hardcore! What a talk back!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 5:56 a.m. CST

    God's Sake

    by GSXR

    It is just a movie which has been made less so but further attempts to improve it.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:18 a.m. CST

    How many times can the pointless bitching on both sides complete

    by sackley whistle

    Whether you're one of the guys saying "you pimple faced virgin SW geeks should shut the fuck up about greedo shooting first" or one of the aggravated SW virgins screaming "fuck you pencil dick, lucas fucked my underage sister with the SE", doesn't matter. The point of this is not to get all precious about the film itself, that will just cause arguments as above which neither will ever win. The point is that someone tried to pay respect to Lucas in the most flattering way there is, the way that almost no filmmaker manages - by saying, "You single handedly brought a vision to life which not only changed lives and made a shitload of cash, but changed the way films are made, marketed, even the kinds of films that are made, forever". And he turned around and told them to fuck off. For that, he deserves to be boycotted. There are honest, decent filmmakers out there, trying to achieve something, through performance, art, beauty, not through a computer and a bluescreen. And they lose their careers, because they are not bankable. Lucas makes billions of dollars with his films, gets hundreds of fatcats even fatter and then he tells the people who actually think he did something important once to fuck themselves. He's as ill-mannered and disrespectful as a talkbacker. That festival, whose organisers are genuinely heartbroken, should just fuck him off. DONT SHOW THE SPECIAL EDITIONS!! What will that achieve? I know that you want to pay respect to Star Wars, but its not worth making a mockery of the rest of the line-up by showing something which is not of that time. The original is historic. This is a festival about historic occasions in a century of cinema. Show Jaws or Close Encounters, it would have a similar effect, CE was even released the same summer. Or i can send by VHS original over. It squeaks a bit, but its fucking pristine when you watch it (apart from being VHS - stupid videos). And please, please, please, do not pay to see Episode 3. Save up now, buy a shit-hot PC or Mac, some surround sound for it and the biggest monitor you can find. Then pay some guy to copy it (episode III), either from the print or on DV if necessary and bootleg that bitch around the world. That way, you can secretly geek out (like me) when its actually not as bad as everyone says and there's some pretty neat fx, without letting that too rich, too fat, too powerful overlord and his ranch get another fucking cent from the people he's laughing at. "I churn it out, they eat it up. No matter what they say, they've loved me like a father, and always will, even if i buttfucked santa claus in front of their kids". And we do eat it up. SAD man, you are right.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:43 a.m. CST

    FUCK LUCASFILM, FUCK THEM UP THEIR STUPID ASSES

    by billyhitchcock

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:21 a.m. CST

    chrth gives value for money!

    by scumbag

    chrth, your apology not withstanding, your CV in your "dumbasses" post is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. "I make...more than you'll ever make in your sad sorry life... I'm on the board on a Friday night because I'm working" I hope the people paying you this king's random of a salary know you're spending your working time reading and posting on a geek talkback forum. Oh, maybe you're on your break...is that the reason or the cause that "Things were falling apart in the office"? When the going gets tough, the tough get going...to the geek talkbacks. "Why aren't you out on a date?..." Duh, the best thing about the internet is that it can totally replace women ;)

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I've not read this whole thing....

    by King Rhythm

    ...can you blame me? One question: Any reason why they couldn't have shown GODFATHER or SUPERMAN?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 9:11 a.m. CST

    namedropping

    by bloodyrectum

    "Hieronymus Bosch = George Lucas". good one!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Personally I've always preferred Flash Gordon....

    by DirkD13"

    there's more humanity in Flash's codpiece than in the whole of the Star Wars universe. So there.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Here's what I think we should do.

    by boba_rob

    Everyone should avoid that showing of Star Wars, show Lucas that he cant pull shit like that. Maybe it will send a message and he'll release the OT on DVD unmolested. (Yeah right!)

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 9:46 a.m. CST

    BOYCOTT THE 70's

    by The Tao of Joe

    Thats right all you L.A. freaks. Boycott the presentation of star wars. Hold a protest outside the theater. Get an LCD projector, a copy of the final New Hope Laserdisc, and project the hell out of that baby onto a blanket covered wall. If there is bigger attendance outside or near the theater, in the cold, with a lower image quality for the original, Lucas will see, he will learn that we want our original star wars. WE WANT IT DAMN IT! Show the children, hey you can come out here, and hang out with the true old squires of the star wars galaxy, and see for yourself, HAN SHOOTS FIRST! Do it. I know I sure as hell would if I could get out to la (I live in NC). Come on all you star wars geeks. you can do this thing. After all the displays you have done in costume waiting in line for prequel tickets, this should be easy. Rock and roll. ToJ out.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 10:17 a.m. CST

    ESB overrated?

    by Dragonfire

    WTF are you talking about, man?I'm sorry, but no. ESB was in another class from the other star wars movies, mostly because George Lucas didn't direct it. It's a known fact that fans will usually not like the sequels as much as the first movie, but ESB is proof that this is because the sequels are usually not as good, not that it's just some fanboy phenomenon to not like sequels. The reason ESB is proof of that is because it was a sequel and it is considered by most to be the best star wars movie, because it was brilliant, showing that a good sequel can be made. Therefore saying we just complain about the prequels because they're not the way we remember the originals is BS, because the reason we complain about them is because they were bad movies when they could have been good movies like ESB. Amazing that even George Lucas couldn't bring himself to tarnish ESB in the special editions. Just a few improved special effects here and there was all he did, unlike ANH and ROTJ which had loads of unneccessary crap. I'm scared to think what he might do to ESB if he does make new special editions, considering how desperate he must be to ruin ESB because it makes the prequels look crap and shows what star wars can be if done by a good director. So if you say ESB is overrated, that you only enjoy it on a 'visceral level', well, frankly it's no wonder you mock people for being passionate about star wars. It's obvious you just don't see what we see, and that's the way of art. The scenes between Yoda and Luke, Han and Leia, Luke and Vader. These scenes had little or no special effects involved and they WERE the best scenes in the star wars trilogy. There's no scenes in the prequels that come close to them. ESB was the one that raised the star wars trilogy above the level of just simple entertainment. These scenes are what makes ESB what it is. This is what you call 'good filmmaking' and it's the difference between ESB and the rest. These scenes are not about special effects, they're human scenes. Star wars is 'just a movie' you all keep on saying. Well, you might as well say that about every great movie, every great story that has ever been told and remembered by humanity for all time. Why don't you go up to all the guys who make a living off studying mythology like the Odyssey and tell them "er...it's just a story".

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Face it: everything's digital now.

    by zinc_chameleon

    Glory be, you run a website. But you spend all your time moaning about an art form based on an obsolete technology. I've said it before: Lucas isn't finished. He'll be the first artist(filmmaker) to leap into the 21st century and give us full-immersion entertainment. We're just about done with 2D art; it's only a question of money as to who grabs ALL older films, converts them into reusable data objects, and allows us to BE IN the story, rather than just passively watching it. Two things I'd like to do: be riding in the land speeder when Ob-Wan puts the whammy on the Troopers; man the harpoon when Luke takes down an Imperial Walker.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Lucas should get over the fact that so many SW fans think the pr

    by Dragonfire

    We may have bitched and moaned about the prequels but that's the nature of fandom. It happens with every great franchise, in any industry. George Lucas may feel like he's being made a victim by the fans but he's just suffering from the same phenomenon anyone who creates something that becomes loved by so many would suffer from, whether it be a film director, a writer, a musician or a games developer or whatever else. It's the nature of art that people's expectations will be raised. The solution to this is to try and make good movies. George Lucas failed to do this in the view of many fans, and yes, he doesn't deserve the amount of abuse he gets. Film makers are human and make mistakes. There is no way they're going to produce brilliance everytime, and the fans should accept that. But, unfortunately, they DON'T. Just like sports fans, or fans of anything for that matter. The nature of fans is to be fickle. So it's up to George Lucas to be above this, because it's just something that his kind have to DEAL WITH. But by acting as if the originals don't exist, it seems like he's spiting us, getting back at us for all the abuse we've hurled at him. Lowering himself to our level is the only way to put it, when he could be benelovent towards his fans and release the originals, acknowledge their existence as so many of us want him to. Then we'll love him for that, and then we'll hate him again if ep3 sucks. That's the way of it. Look at Speilburg, he's gotten abuse over the bad movies he's made, but he keeps on making good movies, and he doesn't take it out on his fans. Perfect example of the way it should be handled.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 10:45 a.m. CST

    @scumbag

    by chrth

    I was waiting for a hardware replacement part to arrive, so there was nothing to do but shoot my mouth off. Fortunately, offshore jobs aren't able to open doors into server rooms for hardware replacements, so my job ain't going to India any time soon (not that it would anyway, those are mostly online tech support and developer jobs, and I don't do either--plus, I'm getting the hell out of IT as soon as I can). BTW, I want to thank the mod who put my apology at the top of the talkback.

  • It's statements like the above that keep me coming here daily. True, all too true to paraphrase Vader. I'm dead set against revisionism in film history. The f/x of Star Wars were phenomenal when seen on theater screens back in the 70s - I was there, I was a teenager then. Re-tinkering with them is just obsessive anal retentive behavior. To refuse to have that first masterpiece screened at the prestigious event like this is just arrogance taken to it's absolute nth degree. I mean...look at it this way, is the Metropolis they're showing the Georgio Moroeder version ? I doubt it. Still, I guess Georgie ain't here to make friends - he's just here to make money.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Hypocrisy afoot?

    by chrth

    How come 'Special Edition Star Wars' = BAD, while 'Director's Edition Blade Runner' = GOOD? I think that's the problem with the entire industry, people keep being inconsistent. If Harry et al., made a stand and said "Theatrical Releases Only", then Lucas could take 'em seriously. But when you praise DVD cut scenes and 'Director's Cuts', you undermine your entire anti-Sp.Ed. argument. I also wonder what the reaction would be if they hadn't made Greedo shoot first, or did a better job with the Jabba scene--would Harry have even bothered mentioning the event? I suspect that if people agreed with the changes, no one would be complaining that they're showing the Sp.Ed. instead of the original. (And before it's brought up, I know the whole 'Director releasing the film he wanted to release' argument for Director's Cuts, but doesn't it apply to Lucas as well?)

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Can't be said often enough: F U C K L U C A S

    by rizla

    After I see Episode III I want nothing more to do with that prick. I got the original trilogy on VHS and I'm gonna keep 'em on the shelf till my first son is born. My dad took me to see it when I was five, I want to do the same for my kids. Fuckin' Lucas; that's ALL I wanted. No biggie ...

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:37 a.m. CST

    A Little Positivity

    by Jedibobster

    I grew up with, as many of you did, with the Star Wars films. I loved them, still do. I'm enjoying the new films, and know kids, sensible kids, that love them too. I'm looking forward to Episode III. I know that it is impossible to agree with every single decision another human makes. I don't agree with every decision George makes, but I do know I agree with most of them. I know I like to have fun when I go to the movies, I know I don't like boxes around around TIE Fighters.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Anetrek-Coming Out of the Closet?

    by 900LBGorilla

    Anertek, I apologize for my earlier post, your intelligent and witty follow up retort has proven me wrong...you CLEARLY are both stable AND mature....Again please accept my apologies...Oh wait, I was reading someone Else's post...never mind... --------------------------------- On a side note I find your retort interesting...after getting verbally ass-raped by a 900 pound monkey, your response is to site the "hermaphrodites" and "ass magnets" that you have met on this site (congratulations!), then to sidebar into your sweet little fantasy of the large "gay-rilla" monkey that just made you his bitch "sucking corn out your shit", and becoming a "scrotum licking (yours I assume) ass master (that would be again-hope the vasaline helped your rear)" Now I feel compelled to remind you that in this relationship, based on history you are CLEARLY the bitch, so although you might like the idea of this large monkey "licking your little scotum", that is YOUR job...so bend over bitch...AGAIN...------------------------------------------Now on a side note...the fact that you are coming out of the closet does NOT bother me...and I encourage all our fellow talk backers to take your homosexuality in stride...THERE IS NOTHING WORNG WITH IT PEOPLE!!!...DO NOT hurt his feelings! ----------------------------------I am also Really REALLY glad, you were able to mention somehwere in your overflow of verbal diahreah that you "Liked the OT, the SE, Ep I AND Ep II"...thats a GREAT point and backs up your aguement very skillfully (you have obvioulsy done very well in the second grade debate club!)! It also shows that you have like Z-E-R-O ability to distinguish a shit sci-fantasy flik from a good one...and for this birth defect that you must forever endure...Meesa reeewee, reeewee, sooowweee!

  • I never saw the Blade Runner director's cut. I read that the unicorn sequence was paractically a cut & paste job with leftover footage from "Legend". Also, with the original version, I thought that Deckard's voiceover narration worked pretty well. Made it more Chandleresque if there is such a word. I hated the CE3K special edition, but will accept the collector's edition because it restored much of the cut footage (Neary's breakdown in particular). My objection to the whole "who shot first" thing is that by making it obvious that Greedo can't hit the side of a barn at point blank range takes a hell of a lot of Solo's coolness away. Okay, it always was a little murky as to what had happened, but that worked - the audience could read into the events what they wished. For me, Han Solo was ice cool, letting Greedo have his say while all the time lining up his shot under the table. That's Bond cool !! Damn shame they "clarified" it. Of course things could get worse. With the Indiana Jones box out in nine days - imagine the outrage if we found they'd revised the swordsman sequence, and HE shot first.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:43 a.m. CST

    chrth is a fucking tool. Period.

    by minderbinder

    And Fatboy, you're way off the mark. At this point, we don't even know if Lucas is done with the OT, he may make more changes that push the movies over the line where YOU are pissed about them. The fact is, he released these movies, the horse is out of the barn. Could you imagine if every movie was revisited years or later, changes made, FX added, dialogue changed? Since you're defending Lucas, I assume you're also cool with colorizing old movies since "it doesn't change the movie that much", etc etc. EVERY movie is a period piece, an artifact of the time in which it is made. There's nothing wrong with a movie looking "dated" (especially because of technology). You often make good points, but on this one you come of as an apologist.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:47 a.m. CST

    chrth

    by Dragonfire

    I think it depends on whether people like the changes or not. If Greedo didn't shoot first or any of the other irritating changes hadn't been made people would have liked the special editions. The main problem here though, for me anyway, is the fact that he won't make the originals available, not even for a screening at a film festival the very purpose of which is to honour classic films. A lot of people don't like the Blade runners directors cut, so to say the Blade runners directors cut = good isn't really accurate. Opinion's devided on that as well, but at least Ridley Scott doesn't pretend the original blade runner doesn't exist, and liking Cut scenes and special features in DVD's is different because they don't change the film itself, except with the FOTR extended edition where they're inserted into the movie, but Peter Jackson stresses the fact that he doesn't consider the Extended edition to be a 'directors cut', just a different version of the film, and that fans can choose which one they want, as oppose to Lucas's attitude which is "special editions the way it should be and screw what the fans like".

  • As I said in a further post, it's all about profit! But if Lukas is a true hearted capitalist, he will bring out the OV sooner or later. What I really hate is that stupid stereotyp about being into movies = having no sex. I'd love to spend the guy who invented this a trip to Vegas, where he can make friends with Roy's tiger.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:04 p.m. CST

    @Dragonfire

    by chrth

    Ok, I will concede your points; but I still think the fact that people don't maintain a consistent viewpoint (e.g. theatrical releases only) is what gives Lucas the ammunition to shrug off the protests and the indignation. I do believe in choice, and I do want Lucas to release both versions on DVD ... but I just don't think he'll ever take us seriously. (You know, everyone always talks about all he cares about it money...if that were true, he should release *separate* DVDs--one for the Special Edition, and one for the Original Edition, and of course, one for the future Ultimate Edition...that way people can choose the version they want, and Lucas can rake in the dough from those who buy two or all three). Oh, and yes, I am a tool; I've never said otherwise.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Bill Maher

    by RobinP

    Keep those rules coming - I'm laughin' my ass off here !

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:08 p.m. CST

    chrth- hyporacy...uh no...

    by 900LBGorilla

    You think it's Hypocracy when people say Blade runner SE is good, but Star Wars SE is not? Uh...nooooooo....I personally didn't happen to like Blade Runner SE either...but regardless, it was done better than SW SE...sooo it can be argued to good....(case in point ESB SE is not bad at all...very few changes, snow beast is improved...fine)...but to say that since one SE sucks they must all suck...is just stupid... ----------------------------------- Another (little) point you are missing is that ...Blade Runner (Original) is not being BURIED by an egocentric (what would Anertek say here....oh yeah) Ass master, who doesn't want the better version seen just cause he's a dink....point is Lucas made the films WORSE (all fantasy aside), and is now RIDDING THE WORLD (in any real format anyway) of the better originals...THAT takes an (unprecendented) Asshole to pull off...and Luke-Ass is apparently the king of the assholes...when the original blade runner is buried by its owners in favor of a crap-tacular replacementyou can come back with half a point...

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:11 p.m. CST

    And now it's time for your daily affirmation with Harry Knowles.

    by Devil'sOwn

    Daaaammn. Nothin' brings 'em outta the woodwork like a Star Wars talkback, huh? Harry should move on this whole new selling point for his site! Are you a bitter, ungainly, slobbering, blemish-riddled, no-pussy-gettin' socially-retarded serial-killer-candidate? Well, come on over to Ain'tYouCoolNews.com! Our elite crew of spastic geeks who go to pieces over the least nugget of movie info will have you feeling like smooth pimp-daddy in no time flat!! Look, SW was some guy's grounbreaking (at the time) effort to bring the world (I refuse to accept the theory that this movie was made for one specific group) an epic, old-fashioned fairy tale adventure. Nobody today can ignore the fact that the people and places from this film were recycled fantasy and comic book cliches (or "archetypes" if yer pompous). But, the fact of the matter is, Lucas had a vision and belief in his larger-than-life heroes and villains in grand tableaus that is rare nowadays. We who saw this stuff as kids were understandably forever impressed. Now... two prequels have passed, and the final one is upon us, Lucas once and for all giving us the full picture. Here on the Web though, generations of dissillusioned Cynics devote a phenomenal amount of time passionately struggling to be "cool", questioning this icon's right to make creative decisions on his original work and unleashing bombasts of critique over the prequels. And most stunning of all, these "fans" dare to presume themselves worthy enough to smooch the director's sneaker-clad feet. These oh-so cool movie lovers who have hurled out profane amounts of currency to see this man's films and purchase related products now apparently have a new cause: Proclaiming their discontent that this Hollywood king has not only, in fact, lost his lustre, but has irredeemably fallen {gasp!}. BUM-BUM-BUM!! This once shining ( to many people, at least) creative pioneer has been warped and twisted into a barely- recognizable wicked mockery of his former genial self who turned on his faithful followers and thinks he OWNS us! Has all hope gone? Open your eyes, people!! It's Star Wars. It's an event. Always was. Always will be. Nobody told you to worship Lucas. But don't condemn the man for what your delicate sensibilities deem shoddy work, either. I know it's not original, but you guys give fans a bad name. Sorry, but once you reach childhood's end, you realize: These movies only reflect the light of that 1977 galaxy far, far away. Get over it and get fucked!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:13 p.m. CST

    @900LBGorilla

    by chrth

    I've already conceded those points to Dragonfire, although he said it lot more politely. Hypocrisy was a bad choice of words; 'Inconsistency' is what I was aiming for. Again, I think that approving of even just one Special/Director's edition gives all directors/creators the tacit approval to do what they want to with their films. I don't think Lucas should bury the original either; like I said above, I would like for him to release that on DVD as well.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:20 p.m. CST

    New Rule

    by 900LBGorilla

    Bill Maher, needs to study Economics 101...so he can learn that in a (largely) free market, customers acyually DO matter...because although he and his name-sake would apparently like for us to live in commusnist China...fortunalty...we don't... ---------------------------------- I'm SURE Luke-ASS stifling Jar Jar in Episode II had EVERYTHING to do with "polite posters" on the force.net", and NOTHING to do with the mounds of criticism and plummeting toy sales (where Luke-a$$ makes most of his $...oh WAIT Bill...Luke-ASS doesn't CARE about money, he has enouhgh...he's donating everything he earns on the prequels to charity right!)....here's to Bill, I wish I could also live in an eternal fantasyland...life must be nice and simple between it's a small world and cinderella's castle!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Devil'sQwn, wanna go to Vegas?

    by mayaV

    And take chrth with you?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:27 p.m. CST

    damn, another masterpiece of talkback

    by Jack Burton

    Between this and the "Screeners" issue I'm getting more laughs out of here then The Onion and Eightball. After seeing all the vitriol about the SEs I realized that they really are not that bad for the most part. Sure the "Greedo shoots first thing" is bad, but wouldn't have a problem with that except the added effects look like total ass and I have no idea how Greedo can shoot diagonally with his gun under a table pointed. Just a bad, bad edit. Same with Jabba in the Falcon's hanger. Another bad edit with Han walking on his tail. Other then that, the enhanced explosions rock, the added X-Wing footage and the "Armada" shot approaching the Death Star are all great. The celebration sequences at the end of "Jedi" tie in nicely (although after it's all said and done not mentioning Coruscant for 3 movies, then showing the planet at the very end seems odd) the new end song is better then the muppets singing, and it generally has a bit more polish. Let's be serious, I have the Original remastered trilogy, the SE trilogy and I NEVER WATCH THEM. I'm buying Indy on DVD because my VHS copies are worn out and let's face it, Raiders is better then any SW movie, Matrix, Spiderman, and pretty much every blockbuster after 1981. Those movies are good, but Raiders is exceptional. SW could release today and unless they have a TON of interesting never before see archival stuff, deleted scenes, etc, I really don't care. --By the way Chicago, in case you haven't heard the garbage strike is over and they are supposed to be picking up today (Sat).

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Chrth

    by 900LBGorilla

    I walked away without updating my screen...saw your concession after my post...you conceded like a man...After dealing with a few of the morons agruing from your side of the isle, I got a bit overzealous on you...cheers....

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:31 p.m. CST

    @900LBGorilla redux

    by chrth

    No worries mate. I was one of those morons last night.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Lucas has always sucked

    by Fangy

    Look, star wars was not even that good a movie. The 2'nd flick sucked big time. The two prequels are vomitous. The original SW was a cultural phenomenon. It was cool. It was fun. It had no stars, but created legends. For Lucas to not share the original, if that's what he's doing, in this sort of venue is shameful. But then anyone who inflicted us with Jar Jar Binks has no shame.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:42 p.m. CST

    My personal story of the first time I saw Star Wars...flashback

    by HardcoreRocker

    The year, as we all know, was the glorious 1977, and Andy Gibb's "I Just Want To Be Your Everything" was playing on the record player my grandmother gave me before she developed cancer and was then hit by a bus filled with kids who have cancer. I had just learned that my mother was on her deathbed, my father had left us to run off with the mailman, and my brothers and sisters had developed the Bubonic Plague. I asked my mother, "Mother, how will I ever live without you?" My mother raised a hand and beckoned me to come closer. "Go to the theatre, my son. A movie, Star Wars, is coming out, and I was assistant to the assistant make-up artist that knew the guy who once prank called George Lucas. It will change the face of cinema." "Mom," I cried out, "will you come with me? I want us to witness this life-changing movie together!" "No, my son, my time draws near. I want you to go out. Live life to the fullest. See the sequels. And no matter what, never see any remade versions once they invent CGI," she whispered weakly, as the combination of pneumonia, Parkinson's, and rabies ravaged her body. "I won't, Mom. I promise," I replied, a lone tear slowly dripping down my cheek. "That's a good boy," she replied, patting her hand on top of mine several times, each pat weaker than the next, until she pat no more. And so I fulfilled my disease-ridden mother's wishes. I saw Star Wars, and it was like watching God, Jesus, Mohammed, and Moses playing poker, only with lots of spaceships and explosions. And that's my very personal story of why Star Wars changed my life, and why Lucas shouldn't ban the original copies. I hope my story was inspiring and not boring or uninteresting. www.rockithardcore.com

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Ok, that was pretty funny

    by chrth

    I'll forgive you for last night, HardcoreRocker.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:53 p.m. CST

    I have a memory of.....

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Just before the theatrical release of the Special Editions, i remember an advertising campaign for boxsets of the Original Trilogy being shown on TV and printed in magazines here in the UK. I can't quite remember the wording but the ad made a point of saying 'buy this boxset now because we'll never release the original editions ever again and this is your last chance'. I imagine a similar ad campaign ran in the US because i bought the NTSC laserdisc versions of the OT around the same time. After using this as the main selling point for that particular release i imagine Lucas will stick to his guns on this and NOT release the non-fucked up editions on DVD; regardless of how many people bitch, whine and sign those online petitions. Time to scour ebay folks!!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:55 p.m. CST

    "I think that approving of even just one Special/Director's edit

    by minderbinder

    Personally, I have no problem with directors doing multiple versions of a movie AS LONG AS THEY MAKE THE ORIGINAL VERSION AVAILABLE. If Lucas wants to do a hundred different versions, great. Go for it. I don't disagree with the idea of "these are his movies, he can do what he wants with them". BUT he has already released them, the public has seen the originals, and many copies are floating around in different formats. It's just plain stupid to try and "unrelease" the original versions, it will just piss people off and ultimately fail. Myself for example, I have high quality digital bootlegs of Star Wars and Empire - if he releases only the SE's on DVD, I'll be able to watch the originals but he won't get a penny of my money.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:59 p.m. CST

    I just remembered the slogan for that ad!!

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    It was 'ONCE IT'S GONE, IT'S GONE FOREVER'. But i forgot to mention before that while the plaid shirted one did give us all advance warning; i feel that he is a huge prick for not letting the original version be shown at a fucking movie festival honouring his vision of 1997. I could forgive george for Howard the Duck; but not this. :P

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Oh. mayaV. How you wound me.

    by Devil'sOwn

    In case you miss the point of what I was saying, if you take these movies that seriously and think Lucas owes you something, pull your head out of whatever orafice it's stuck in. This is the only place I know of where the average movie-loving shmoe can come, read all this hysteria, and feel a helluva lot better about themselves. Don't take it so damn hard. You so tired, BEE-YOTCH.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:07 p.m. CST

    lucas lost it "a long time ago..."

    by finnegan

    whatever it was that he had in the late 70s, peter jackson has today... and may he never lose it.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Special Editions, etc.

    by Wormie

    I couldn't be arsed to read all the comments, but the fact is Star Wars kicks ass in both the original and SE versions. The story and characters are the same anyway. I really want the original versions to come out on DVD, but its been known for several years that the SE is Lucas' prefered cut. I don't see anyone moaning about Ridley Scott tinkering with Alien for the imminent re-release. I watched my tape of Metropolis last week for my film studies class. It was the 1980s version with music by Freddie Mercury and co. I then watched the "horny robot Maria dance" sequence in the class with a tinkly piano soundtrack (which it would have had at the time). Frankly, I liked the 80s power-ballad accompaniment better. I guess the point is that it is possible for films to exist in different versions made in different periods and still be valid.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Eh, you're not so bad, Chrth

    by HardcoreRocker

    You apologized for being a dick, so I forgive you for acting in said dickish manner. But seriously, people's stories about the first time they saw Star Wars...give it a rest. We have to put up with enough fond nostalgia sob stories in the actual articles. www.rockithardcore.com

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Lucas Should get Howard the fucked

    by Rex Manning

    Star Wars was incomplete until the Special Edition realised George Mucous's real vision. LUCKY Howard The Duck, Willow and RadioLand Murders hit the mark first time round.

  • Look into it. For less than $100 you can own restored widescreen prints of the original versions of the trilogy, THX certified no less, and a player to watch them on. Laserdisc quality is not quite DVD level but is a huge step up from VHS. And you'll pay less for it than you would for a six-movie boxed set. If you care about owning any of the prequels you've probably bought them already, so you won't need them again. This is really the best option for fans! You can watch the version of Star Wars you love, without breaking any laws or putting any more money in Lucas's pocket to do it.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Anertek

    by 900LBGorilla

    Uh...Anetek...I have been trying to skirt the issue here...to not be too forward or blunt with you...to handle you with "kid gloves" per se as you obviously have a few "issues", and I don't want to have you sent back to the padded room...but you force me to be honest and direct...-------------------------------------listen.....carefully....the....reason....you....couldn't....understand....a ....word...I ...was...saying...is....because...you....are sloooooow....yes....that....means....you....are....stupid... (ie...lack....intelligence...or....cognative.....skills). Now please, before you reply, read and digest the above carefully. read it 5 or ten times if necessary...just make sure that you understand before you reply. Then, you can go back and read my previous post armed with the knowledge that it may take a number of readings before you "get it". Then, when you understand and have a real question, I can school you a bit more...biatch.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 2:56 p.m. CST

    let's get one thing straight about lucas

    by dmezei

    He lucked out with the collaborators on Star Wars. Not A New @#$% Hope. He totally lucked out with Dykstra, and his producer, and editor and all the incredible artists that developed the matte painting, models, motion control and on and on and fucking on. HE LUCKED OUT. He made a great movie in spite of his lame ass ideas. Star Wars was one of the GREAT COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS of all movie making time. George Lucas had about a 15% input in it, he channelled all those great ideas into a cohesive movie, and except for Indiana Jones, hasn't done DICK ALL since. I hated TESB. He's lost it. Too many hamburgers George.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Just shut up already and......

    by Shaner Jedi

    ...sign the "OT ON DVD" Petition.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:22 p.m. CST

    anirtak

    by gravy_suckin_pig

    ah ha!i figgered out yer secret-no wonder yer homophobic,mr."mature and stable."yer name is all it took,katrina backwards-admit it...yer katrina from katrina and the waves...80's band.bitter?i think so.bite me,homophobe!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Why is he so ashamed?

    by twitaman

    Why in the world does Lucas insist on banishing the original print of

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Alien

    by twitaman

    I have no problem with Ridley Scott re-releasing "Alien" because quite frankly, if you want to buy the original print of "Alien" on DVD you can! I wouldn't be surprised if he released the DVD like Spielberg did with "E.T." -- with the faithful version on one side and the "enhanced" version on the other side. Also, to those of you who say that Lucas never did anything other than "Star Wars" and "lucked out" I disagree. "American Graffiti" was one of the best films to come out of the 70s -- and in retrospect I'm starting to believe that perhaps that film was Lucas' true masterpiece. If you have not seen it, do yourself a favor and rent this one (hell buy it!) trust me, you

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:41 p.m. CST

    C'mon people, stop hating on Lucas so much

    by super Cucaracha

    Although I don't agree with what he's doing, I still admire the fact that he came up with Star Wars. The guy was a visionary at his time. It is because of his influence that we have other cool shit to watch. How many of us can actually claim to have done something like that? PLEASE guys...don't become like those Star Trek motherfuckers!!!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Darth Maul

    by super Cucaracha

    Am I the only one who thinks that Lucas should have let Darth Maul live? That character was cool as shit.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:56 p.m. CST

    re: Devil'sOwn

    by mayaV

    Since I'm a bitch who's too much into Star Wars, I do have a very good apology to appear on this forum. What's your's?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4:10 p.m. CST

    anirtak

    by gravy_suckin_pig

    you hurt me with your big words...guess i must've hit a nerve.i was havin fun too.pal,but i guess you 'yale' types really dont have a sense of humor,either.btw, i happen to enjoy all the ST movies,even if the newer ones aint up to snuff.and i dont hafta resort to name calling and use profanity to get my point across.so who's mature and stable now,hmm?oh-and for the record-you just got hosed,pal.all too easy.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4:14 p.m. CST

    anirtak

    by gravy_suckin_pig

    sorry, i meant SW.STrek movies suck eggs.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Star Wars

    by ArchangelRP

    WHy is it that everything has to be negitive about Star Wars. There are many good things about every one of the chapters. And all of you Im sure have seen all of them. Maybe Lucas is making the movie for himself, he's just sharing his vision with you. Of course your not going to like every detail, but then again, its not your movie. So you can complain about it all you want, but your all probably going to see the 3rd on anyway.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Standing in front of the Bulldozers

    by Catbarf the 5th

    To everyone who says "who cares, you've already seen this movie five thousand times"... that's not the point. These folks aren't whining about not seeing a single showing of a movie they've already seen 5000 times. Most of them probably don't live anywhere near this theater, and couldn't have gone anyway. The point is that Lucasfilm, as a matter of policy, will not allow it... not at this film festival, and apparently not ever. That is a very different source of outrage. It's not about a few minutes of changed footage, either... it's about the old footage being put to death. The total suppression of the original SW material as if it were shameful makes Lucasfilm's policies uncomfortably akin to a book-banning, with an odd twist: The torch-bearing zealot in this case happens to be the film's own author. Does the fact that the author is behind the repression make it any less unethical? I would argue not. This is not easily dismissed as a trivial complaint by whiny fans. When a few hundred enthusiasts of film history can't go see an unquestionably important movie it in its original form, in its original medium, then something is wrong. It is commonly believed by anyone who takes movies seriously (not just as entertainment, but as cultural artifacts) that films, like books, need to be preserved, and that to neglect, destroy or alter them is barbaric. (I encourage everyone to read up on the arguments made by many of Hollywood's finest protesting studio neglect of irreplaceable old film negatives, or the colorization of old movies by Ted Turner. Much of it is applicable here.) Furthermore, with all media on the verge of going digital (with even the old stuff being converted) and with most films in private hands, the attitude of Lucas toward SW has some dark implications for other movies. On the surface of it, Lucas is saying that the author of a film can revisit their work as many times as they like. OK, fine. But he is also saying, by example, that the owner of a film (not the author per se, but the owner) has no responsibility whatsoever to preserve a film in its original form, even if that film was important in its day. Technically, he's right. But this position aligns Lucas with an indifferent fatcat executive, not the 70s movie maverick he once was. Furthermore, try applying this I-can-change-anything-I-want-and-leave-no-trace-it-was-ever-different logic to other scenarios... what if racism were erased from old movies, for instance? Would such erasure of history do society any favors? Granted, SW may not be Birth of a Nation (a film more culturally sensitive to edits of omission) but I, for one, find the fact that people were totally blown away by crappy special effects in 1977 to be a valuable insight that should not be lost. Movies are documents of their time, which is a huge part of their value. No movie is ever "just a movie", especially if you wait long enough. The more dated SW gets, the MORE relevant it becomes to history, not less. I find it sad that it even needs to be argued that the accurate preservation of history is an important thing. The fact that this view is frequently at odds with private property rights and willful ignorance does not settle the argument... debates like this rage, quite rightly, wherever a bulldozer is about to destroy something valuable and irreplaceable.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 5:31 p.m. CST

    I liked Harry's analogy to "The Garden of Earthly Delights"...

    by TheWoodMan

    ...How it's displayed with the original sketches, the work-up painting and the finished masterpiece. To extend the analogy, the idiot Lucas' not-so-Special Edition would be like the masterpiece splattered with day-glo hip-hop graffiti. "But... but it's more HIP now! It's UP TO DATE!!"

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 5:48 p.m. CST

    I *like* the Special Editions..!

    by ZeroCorpse

    I like the originals, too. To me, however, the original versions remind me of how movies were so cheap in 1970's. I had an amazing experience as a kid when I sat in a theatre and watched Star Wars all those years ago, but even then I could recognize that it was done with movie tricks, special effects, and I took NONE of it as "real". Hell, as kids we used to joke about some of the stills we'd find in the storybooks of the movies that showed just how cheap some of the effects were... So in the late 90's, when the Special Editions came out, I was there, in line, with my wife, my best friend, and a host of Star Wars geeks, at the only THX theatre in my state at the time. When the new scenes appeared for the first time, the crowd CHEERED. These were NEW! They were special because they showed that George STILL cared enough about this movie he'd made 20 years earlier to fix some of the little problems. The extra stormtroopers in the Han chase scene were great! Jabba's scene being restored was a nice addition- Even if the CGI was primitive at the time, it was still better than NOT seeing that scene at all. Greedo shooting first wouldn't have bugged me if Greedo's shot hadn't veered in an odd way, but it didn't ruin the movie- It was a couple seconds! The space battles looked better and SOUNDED better. The only complaint I have about the Special Edition is the loss of Biggs' other scenes, but he really was a minor character and not much of a consideration. Yeah, I know- He's Luke's best friend, but since they cut the Toshi station scene from the original version, it's not like what was left of Biggs in the movie made much sense anyway, unless you read the book. I think Lucas is being a little stingy with the original, but I also think you guys who whine about what a tyrant he is ought to shut the hell up and THANK HIM for what he gave us, and be grateful that he cares enough to continue making these movies.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 6:13 p.m. CST

    New Rule: Anyone who posts on the same talkback more than 5 time

    by The Tao of Joe

    Maher, It is you who deserves to die for so many reasons, including the greatest crime according to Holden from "Catcher in the Rye," of being a horrendous phony. Its funny how you make fun of the geeks who go to this website and who went to see hulk when it came out, when, well, YOU go to this website, and YOU went to see Hulk when it came out. Yeah, you are nothing like those people who smell like a hobo's shoes, you are special and different. God gave you a magical purpose and reason in your life. You are here on this earth, not so you can be Bill Maher, but so you can take the special and unique task of pretending to be him on a movie website. You want to pretend you are any better than these people? You say you do more all day than stay at home. Well judging by the number of words you spilled from your fingers, and in more than 6 different occasions today, I would say you are not leaving your home too very much either. Then again, maybe you get your feeling of superiority from the fact that you dont do this at home, because you don't own a computer, and must write all of your unwanted put downs at either a cyber cafe, or at a public library. I would assume that by seeing how many times you have posted on this subject, you are not in fact the real Bill Maher, since he would have more important things to do with his hours like say, uh, put on a TV show? But ok, lets pretend that you are Bill Maher, and not some tv knock-off comedy making dork, who is so unfunny that you think you give yourself hilarity by posing as a hardmouth tv comedian (I mean seriously, there are smarter and funnier comedians, even on tv, than Bill Maher.). You are libertarian, this means you believe in capitalism. In a capitalist society, film making isn't a dictatorship, because decisions are made with dollars. The people fucking rule. When Universal realized they were not going to sell shit when they planned to put out the E.T. dvd without the original version, they changed their tune pretty quick. Seeing as how Lucas is even more driven by money, a boycott of his products, particularly the subsequent non original trilogy release on dvd, will force him to do the same. Its capitalism baby. When people go out and pay 50 or more dollars for an old school laserdisc of movies Lucas is too arrogant to release himself, he will realize, 'Ebayers are making money from a demand for a product I am not selling, wait a minute, wait a minute, I need to sell that too!' It all comes full circle. The people are in charge in a capitalist economy, they have taken Madonna off of Pepsi Comercials, and killer santas off of the big screen in the 80's. Why cant they take a computer generated jabba out of a remastered classic full of revisionist bullshit from a film maker who lost their vision and balls? I hope you brought your pencil Bill, as well as a gun. The pencil so you can take notes- you have just been schooled. The gun so you can put a hole in the back of your mouth with it- you need to kill yourself right away, you filthy hypocrite posing ass phony.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Lucas is plain cheap ...

    by gripman

    If anyone of you has ever worked for Lucasfilm, Skywalker Sound, or any of his comnpanies, you'd know what a cheap prick Lucas is. He admits to his people that he wants to make them famous, but will NOT pay them what they deserve to make. The ranch is a great place to work, day to day, but people don't live there, they work there. He is a cheap prick that only pays 'certain' people the 'rate' that they deserve, while the workhorse artists, painters, programmers don't make shit. Sounds kind of like slave labor. When the people get to good at their jobs, they get fired and forced out. Bottom line, this is about money, nothing else...nada. I'd hate to think what he would have done had he directed Indiana Jones ...

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 6:45 p.m. CST

    GET A LIFE

    by THX138

    first I would like to say that I would like to see both the originals and arcival editions on dvd.If it doesn't happen then it doesn't happen.Why is it alright for peter fucking jackson and every other god damn director in the world to add/change - create directors/extended cuts of their films,but it's a damn sin for lucas to do the same? 95% of the trilogy is still intact.He's try- ing to make them closer to his orginal vision.The last time I checked he financed and owns these movies.If you don't like them then don't watch them - they're just movies.Lucas doesn't have a gun to your head forcing you to watch them.He could make the perfect SW MOVIE and you would still be bitching about this or that.If you think he's the worst director ever then why do you watch his movies? His movies are based on visuals to tell the story - not dialogue and acting.Maybe you should be bitch- ing about every director changing their movies instead of singling out lucas and speilberg all the time.Robert Wise made visual fx changes and added scenes to ST:TMP and nobody bitched.Get a fucking life.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Damn the man, save the empire

    by MaulRat

    Fuck you George Lucas, I happen to own a genuine print of the classic my brother bought when I was 5 and by god I am going to screen it in all its glory (it cost him a bunch of old Action Comics but it was worth it), on the theatre room at my Hotel in Sydney Aust.. Fuck you, I pay the Government a heafty levy per annum to show sports events, television and movies and I think this is a good time to get my money's worth. I dont mind the special editions, they're just a watered down version of a film I loved growing up. The people have spoken.... and you are overruled. Ps. gotta love that Harry animation in the corner doing his best Vic Vega impers... not too shabby. *BAMF*

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Robert Wise

    by Johnny Smith

    Nobody bitched about Wise fixing Star Trek because he made the movie better.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Some points

    by Bad Guy

    First of all, the negative comments about movie and sci-fi fans that some of you like to make, ie: You all live in your parent's basements, you never get laid, you're overweight and covered in acne, you'd sell your sister's virginity for a large pepperoni pizza and a six pack of Vanilla Coke, etc., are cliches and people really need to get some new material. Just visiting and posting at this site makes you as much of a geek as everyone else here, but worse because you're clearly a "self-hating" geek and need to make yourself feel better by insulting others. Second of all, I guess people didn't believe it when they were rereleasing them on VHS a few years ago, and Lucasfilm announced in all those ads that this would be the last time you would be able to buy the original trilogy. They should've added, "We really mean it! You'll be sorry if you don't already have them and you don't get them this time!" Third of all, I sure am glad that I bought a laserdisc player back in '93. Why did I buy it? Because I wanted to get "The SW Trilogy: The Definitive Ed." laserdisc box set. I have that and a seperate box set with the "Special Ed." trilogy. If you really want them, both the laserdiscs and the DVD's ripped from them are available all over eBay. Both versions. Fourth, Lucas "is" a shmuck for not giving the fans what "most" of them clearly want. But I don't feel that he's greedy like some people like to claim, ie: Luca$. If he were then he would put out DVD's of the original trilogy and clean up, and then release the S.E. trilogy and clean up again, and then release "The Ultimate Definitive Super Duper Everything But The Kitchen Sink Edition", which would include all six movies, 3 hours of never before seen extras, and R2-D2 bookends, and clean up all over again. Fifth of all, people who bitch about everything Lucas does, ie: the Special Editions, the prequels, no DVD release of the O.T., really need to move on already. You say you hate Lucas, but you can't help but be drawn to everything he does. You hated the Star Wars" Special Ed., yet you gave up your money to see the "Empire Strikes Back" S.E. a couple of weeks later, and then gave up your money yet again to see the "Jedi" S.E. a couple of weeks after that. You hated "Phantom Menace", but then how many of you really stood your ground and didn't go see "Attack of the Clones"? That is of course, after weeks of making fun of it's title. Hypocrites.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Aw crap

    by Puddin' Taine

    Well it's a good thing I bought the remastered version of the ORIGINAL on VHS. Now where did I put that DVD burner...

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Fuck You

    by AlwaysThere

    The SE is perfect.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:13 p.m. CST

    how did that festering turd Moulin Rouge ...

    by Lou C.

    ... get on THAT list of films? Good Lord. Does anybody else hate that movie as much as I do? The fucking love song medley was one of the worst things to grace film in recent memory. ... anyway, lucas is a cocksucker. i've been saying it for years. how can a man with this much money continue to bend every one of his fans over and fuck them straight in the anus? oh well.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Chill!

    by Dubbley

    The thing that pisses me off about the SE is they kept the shitty pyrotechnics in the trench run. I suppose you "purists" among us would applaud that. Frankly, I think they fixed more than they fucked up in the SE (Greedo notwithstanding). I'll watch either one and not waste my life bitching about the things over which I have no control (Lucas: It's my fucking movie and I fart in your general direction). George loves the fans' wallets and little else, and I'll still help him pay his bills for a long time coming ('cos I want that General Riekkan action figure). What Lucas can't be excused for is shit like "You'll always be that little boy I met on Tatooine". Okee-day?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 9:30 p.m. CST

    rere: maya

    by Devil'sOwn

    Now your just being silly. In case you haven't deduced it, I lovelovelove Star Wars, mmmkay? And as a fan, I can even understand the disappointment in the prequels, and the disillusionment over Lucas' various decisions. I don't understand the vehement outcries like this guy raped your dog or something, but whatever. Life goes on.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 9:45 p.m. CST

    There is still some hope....

    by StarTrooper3000

    If you want to see the original, 1977 release of SW, then go to: www.originaltrilogy.com With enough support, we can see it again...

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 10:16 p.m. CST

    This is weird

    by TheJon

    After reading quite a few comments on this page it seems that many of you who are saying that there's nothing wrong with the special editions are missing the point. ...the special editions are cool! I personally can't wait for the ultimate editions!!! ...but for a film festival celebrating FILM HISTORY to be forced to play an updated version of the film, it would be like having an art show displaying a painting by Picasso and then being told at the last minute that you can't display the original painting, you're only allowed to diplay a very nice glossy photograph of it with any original flaws fixed in Photoshop. ...it's nice and shiny and corrected, but definately NOT the original.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Moulin Rouge!

    by Johnny Smith

    Replace that with Donnie Darko, Road to Perdition or Mother Night and I'll be happy.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Anertek...commentary again?

    by 900LBGorilla

    Yes Anertek it is true, I Poop fingered you...and it was easy, you sat there and ripped people up, with one of the most inane and immature psychopathic rants I have ever had the privlidge to read...THEN had the balls to indicate that you were "stable and mature" as part of your thesis...It was fucking beautiful...you stuck your foot, dick, and ass in your own mouth and I called you on it...then you went on a tirade of how gay I am, and what gay acts I could supposedly do to you, Harry ect. at which point I bitch slapped you some more...----------------------------------------- Frankly, if you said you were a Yale grad, I wouldn't half enough of a shit to challenge you on it...I don't care what acronyme you put after your name, or what your reume says...I take poeple by what they themselves SAY, and how coherently they SAY it...THAT tells me more about you than any lame-ass claim about a degree, high paying job, or how much copious amounts of pussy you might or might not get.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:12 p.m. CST

    The point is...

    by boneheaddd

    ...this is all relative to the person. I love all 5 movies and I'll love the 6th. I don't barge into my neighbor's house and force them to watch the movies and admit they like them at gunpoint. I love visiting the Star Wars universe, much like I love to visit the worlds created by directors like Gilliam, Lynch, Fincher, Tarantino, Coppola, the Wachowskis, Burton, Rodriguez, Kurosawa, Leone, Miyazaki,Oshii, Scorsese, etc. etc. etc. If you don't like the movies, don't watch them. This ain't Clockwork Orange. They aren't going to strap you to a chair and force you to watch them. As for me...I'll be at the first showing of Episode 3 in 2005 with a big 'ol shit eating grin with corn stuck between my teefs.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Anertek COnt

    by 900LBGorilla

    Disconnect- The bottom line is that I will judge you on how you argue, and your commentary is poorly worded, disjointed, and generally unintelligent...which is why it's so easy for me to T you up like fucking whiffle-ball...shit I don't care if you disagree with me or not, as long as you do it well and with half a fucking point...neither of which you have done-----------------------------------------------And the REAL BOTTOM LINE is that if you have the balls go the fuck off like you did in your 1st and second posts (basically saying everyone here who disagrees with you is a fuckwad, asshole, faggot etc.), you BETTER AT LEAST have the fucking stuff to back it up...you don't, and got butt slammed for it...Don''t blame me man....I am just the messenger of that ass kicking....you wrote the check, SOMEONE was bound to cash it...I'm just glad it could be me, cause you left an opening my little sister could have ran through...

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Oh BTW Katrina

    by 900LBGorilla

    Your 1 (on subject) point in that last post was that you are a REAL fan, (so will be happy with whatever GL releases, and others won't)...Congratulations! I'm happy for you...Basically your definition of "Real Fan" further shows a lack of cognative skills...you are basically saying you will like whatever shit is shoveled at you, as Long as it has the Name "Star Wars" and "George Lucas" attached....it takes MAD skill to be a "REAL FAN" and ditch all reason and logic and call a turd like TPM a good movie...if THATS what a "REAL FAN" is...fuck that...you can have it...I'll keep my brain in my head and call a turd a turd...I'm glad you can overcome your own intellect and join the cattle in loving whatever slop gets dropped in your face...you MUST be a Yale grad....and drive a Ferrari too!

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Show Jaws instead...

    by KryptonsLastSon

    Thats your first real summer blockbuster movie. Oh and seriously those last three just don't fit for me. Spike Lee is a whiny bitch anymore, Pulp Fiction has lost most of its appeal to me over the years, and Moulin Rouge was nothing special. I guess musicals were gone for so long that when someone did one that was good people got all worked up, but it wasn't that great.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Levels of involvement.

    by Lobanhaki

    I've never waited in one of those camp-out lines for Star Wars tickets on the first day. I don't own much in the way of collectibles. I'm a fan of the games, and of the books, and think there is some rich, dramatic material in the NJO books. I like the movies, don't necessarily love them, but I do indeed love and admire the mythos as a whole. To me, the question of CGI is simply a question the richness of the expression of what underlies the movies. The question about the bad acting and dialogue is does it get in the way? Honestly, it does sometimes. But in the end, if you're willing to cut the movies some slack, there's something more to them than their is to the average Hollywood effort. As for the OT, I'm curious about it, but not adamant. One issue that I think should be of concern to some of you is whether or not George could release a new print of Star Wars as it was. According to what I've heard, that was not entirely possible. 20th Century Fox was considerably less kind to the footage they stored than Lucas was to the movies he owned at the time. Fox owned Star Wars until Lucas made the Special editions, where Lucas traded the prequel distribution rights for the copyright on Star Wars. I know films are often portrayed as belonging to the filmmaker, but the truth is, authorship belongs to the studios for most films. Anyways, the decay of the Acetate safety film mean that the negative originals for certain scenes and shots were no longer in acceptable condition. In other words, assembling a cleaned up, quality version of the original Star Wars would become impossible. So Lucas cleaned up what he could, and because certain things worked out, he redid parts with the new technology, giving a face lift to the film he once made, while making sure the film had some kind of existence from that point forward. Once he made that commitment, I believe his mind was made up on how this movie was to be presented from that point on. It would be this version that he called his own, that he regarded as canon. Fanboys sealed that deal by criticizing him so harshly, and with so little respect for what he had to do, and what he was trying to do, that he most likely told himself that to back down in the face of that would be to cripple the independence that he spent so many years fighting for. Lucas has a kind of drive and focus that perhaps his worst enemies share. He built his company from the ground up, In Northern California rather than Hollywood. He did this because he resolved to do it, because he was intent on getting his own version of thing done his way. Do you think the kind of willpower that does these things folds to bullying, abuse, and harsh criticism, or just becomes more stubborn?

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:44 a.m. CST

    greedo shoots first

    by Chuck L Nuts

    get it right.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Just who is losing out here?

    by Weeble

    Let me get this straight. Everbody can get a copy of the Original Trilogy(for you purists), the Special Editions(for CGI lover's), the Prequels(for...well who ever went to those, I mean someone had to see them), and for you true sadists out there, there are the Fanfilms. Yes, now even you can unleash your inner George, and prove once and for all that your vision of Star Wars is the best. So whose not getting what they want out of Star Wars? This talkback reminds me of that Jim Belushi show on ABC, "According to Jim." In this one episode I saw, Jim tries to get his little boy to give up his Green Bay Packer's ball for a Chicago Bears ball, and when that doesn't happen he goes nuts at the possiblility that his only son might not grow up to like the Bears, so he spends the whole episode trying to brainwash his son to be a Bears fan. All you "Fuck George Lucas" purists out there remind me of Jim, you can't stand the fact that some people might like the other versions of Star Wars. If you like the orginal version, great. If you like the SE, wonderful. If you like the prequel's....well, to each his own I guess, and if you like making fanfilms, then you definatly need help. With the exception of a couple, those short films are fucking awful. But like the subject say's, "Just who is losing out here?" Answer: Nobody. No film studio has givin' there fans as much as Lucasfilms, I can't think of a film studio that would let you take there franchise, make it your own, and post it on the internet with out some lawsuit pending (no matter how awful it is). You purists need to relax and understand that not everybody likes what you like, the orginal's are out there, get em', and leave Lucas alone. Now, if you want hang him by his balls for "Howard the Duck", I'll be happy to supply the rope. One other thing...The next person who posts there vital statistics, and/or brags about the amount of sex they have can kiss my ass, this isn't the personal's, and nobody gives a shit. There is nothing more lame than someone coming on a geek sight, trying to prove they are not one in order to get there message across. Besides, we all know your full of shit anyway.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Whoever quoted Shatner's "Get a life!" in this thread said all t

    by Commando Cody

    Wow, some of the rants and tirades against Lucas in this talkback clearly proves that some of you are not just dweebs, but you're truly sad and pathetic and utterly insignificant dweebs! In short, to paraphrase good ol' Bill Shatner yet again, some of you SERIOUSLY need to turn off the computer, venture outside, sniff some fresh air, mingle with real people and get laid to work off your dweeb anger so you can move on in life. Really...move on. No one loves Star Wars more than me, I've been a fan geek over the franchise all my life, but even I know IT'S ONLY A FUCKING MOVIE!!!

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 3:39 a.m. CST

    I said it before, and I'll say it again..

    by Amy Chasing

    Let's be reasonable. If Lucas releases the S.E.'s, people will buy them. If he releases the Originals, people will buy them. So why not release both? Either together or separately, people will buy them. I don't care about the money he makes, but he no doubt does - and he'll make a mint releasing the Originals! It's a bad business decision not to. There are people who don't want to give Lucas "anymore of my hard-earned dollars to line his pockets with". There are people who feel directors rip them off with multiple DVD releases of their favorite films - Hey whatever turns you on! But talking from a marketing standpoint, there is a market for the Originals, so why not tap into it. Let's put it this way - is there an international petition for only the Special Editions to be released on DVD?

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Harry, think before you speak, please

    by John Williams

    Dear Harry, First of all I'm from Hungary. I'm a fucking european if you want. But that doesn't mean that I don't like cinema, or american cinema, and in this case, Star Wars less, than f.e. You. I love the o.t.!!! The whole s.w.galaxy is my life, especially John Williams's music. BUT! I respect the maker's, the creator's, the geniuses' ideas, original thoughts, and everything they've done, do, and are gonna do. Who the fuck am I, are YOu to enquestion that?! Please, think about that. Think, and you'll learn that we are the humble orientses, who are longing for, waiting for, dying for the films they, Lucas, Spielberg, and the other MOVIEMAKERS give us. And if George Lucas wants to burn the whole goddamn Star Wars series and shit on them, then he has the right to do that, and he has no obligation for us at all!! Got that? I mean it. Think Harry! He created it out of nothing, of plain air from his imagination, the mind that you and I are probably never gonna have. And that is his power over us. Over all of the orientses. He's the creator, and we are the so called consumers. Star wars is not ours. Yes, we made it a legend, but we couldn't have done it, if Lucas hadn't made it. That's a strange conection between the cinema makers, and the people. But we mustn't be demanding. We HAVE to respect their will. If George Lucas feels the original Star Wars trilogy wasn't complete and he wanted to change it, that's all right, it's his child. Thank You for reading this. I wish You the best, and keep on loving cinema! Yours sincerely: Istv

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 4:58 a.m. CST

    900LB gorilla

    by gravy_suckin_pig

    bravo,sir...bravo.my hat is off to you-seriously.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 5:05 a.m. CST

    u people love bitchin dont u

    by drspotxxx

    i'd just like to say that if any actually read what was being said here u all wouldnt need to repeat everything 150 fuckin times. everyone is entitled to ur opinion about showing the original, releasing the SE's instead of the originals, and george lucas being a cock smoker. those of u willing to ignore the fact that anything george lucas has done in the in the 90's and beyond is complete and utter filth are still gonna ignore it after reading about how a god damned movie changed one of ur lives.(still dont understand how anyone can watch Return of the Jedi SE and not vomit, but i could just be me) the point is all of u are right to a certain degree and should value each others insight instead of attacking each other like u actually have some sort of person stake in all this bullshit. ive gained insight from both sides of the arguements. just listen to what people have to say and respect where they're comin from. everyone except Krinkle. this person lacks any sembalence of common sense and dignity, pull ur head out of ur mothers ass, u speak for absolutely no one. just look as this idiot looses all his credibility instantly by starting his post with what he feels is the the end all order of the best star wars films. " 1) The Empire Strikes Back 2) Attack Of The Clones 3) Star Wars 4) Phantom Menace 5) Return Of The Jedi Please, Mr. Lucas, forgive these fools. They know not what they do. These are your movies. I love them, most people with a sense of humor and humanity think they're just fine. All of them. The old ones with the swashbuckling, and these new ones with the ironic set-up. These 'Aint It Cool' people? Just waving their dicks in the wind. Looking forward to "Episode 3" and the conclusion of your terrific fantasy epic. I know you're making these pictures for future generations, not simply pandering to the failed generation (headed by the rather dull but enthusiastic Harry Knowles) who were originally enchanted by the films. " life sucks man, turds like this get to have free speach and george lucas get to defile the coolest villian ever in not one but three movies by casting a crappy little kid and a backdoor boy wanna be herb, neither of which, might i add, with any acting skills between the two of em. lets see anybody dissagree with that

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 8:54 a.m. CST

    "Why is it alright for peter fucking jackson and every other go

    by minderbinder

    People don't fucking care if Lucas tweaks these movies endlessly. People are pissed at lucas because he DOESN'T RELEASE THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS. Period. Just release both versions and the bitching will cease, everyone's happy.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 9:42 a.m. CST

    New Rule: George Lucas has an obligation to cater to the tastes

    by The Tao of Joe

    Since George is obligated to the American dollar, and no one gave or probably will give him more of it than the two generations of fans who saw the movie before the prequels, he could very well see that he does in fact need to put the original trilogy out. Let the people decide in that matter. As for the statement that Bill "I am not really the guy on tv, I just need to pretend to be him so I will feel funny and as smart as his show's writers make me think he is" Maher made about people not noticing the Greedo shoots first fiasco, you are dead wrong. I am the most casual star wars fan (I dont own any merchandise outside of copies of the movies), and my fellow film lovers all noticed it. Harrison Ford fans who thought the scene was a badass introduction to one of the greatest actors of all time notice it. Most people who saw the original star wars more than 3 times, which is the majority of the people who have seen the original star wars, notice it.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Pity.....

    by SwitchDogShits

    I was going to drive up to L.A. for this.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Maher....can you spell "hypocrite"?

    by scumbag

    "it's more persuasive to at least be polite" Maybe you should take your own advice ;)

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Cutting the Gordian Knot.

    by DocPazuzu

    Go to this site: http://members.aol.com/heybtbm/index.html . In the bottom left hand column is info on how to obtain the unaltered OT on DVD. Bleeding money away from Lucasfilm -- which by all rights can't claim to be losing money since these versions don't officially exist -- works a lot better than a geek petition. I've found that once you own your own copies of the originals, you'll feel much better about life. Please -- go there, buy them, and then just shut the fuck up.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 1:31 p.m. CST

    concerning Devil'sOwn and Lukas

    by mayaV

    First, Devil'sOwn, I'm still tired. Second, I guess I should say sorry to you. Sorry! (I mean it) I do love Star Wars, no matter what edition it is, I watch them all. Plus Episode I&II. It's just: Lukas treats the fans unfair. He always goes on telling how he wants Star Wars to be perfect. Why doesn't he see it is perfect for so many fans? Sure, most will be as happy with uncounted new editions, some will hate him forever and others don't bother all their life. I'm looking forward to Ep.III, I will go to the theatre. And I'd love Lucas to do Ep. VII-IX. Isn't Star Wars a beautiful dream? I hate fighting about things I can't cange.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 1:46 p.m. CST

    How many times is Harry going to post the same damn thing???

    by Captain Decker

    OK, we get the point, Harry! Lucas is a money-grabbing, artistically bankrupt, fanboy-hating poo-poo head! But... (say it with me everyone) IT'S HIS FUCKING MOVIE TO DO WITH AS HE PLEASES! Just give it up, Harry. You KNOQ Lucas cares two things about your opinion: Jack and shit, and Jack just left on the last transport out of Mos Eisley. I don't think there's anyone here who LIKES those skank-ass special editions (or who doesn't cringe at the thought of a CGI Alec Guiness doing Darth Maul-like/Kill Bill shit fighting Vader), but that's the double-edged sword that is modern cinema technology. Yes, it has proven a marvellous tool for film restoration, and, in the case of filmmakers like Robert Wise, has allowed for the completion of legitimately unfinished films at a fraction of what they would have cost in the past. BUT... Lucas' butchery is the flip side. Regrettable, unattractive, annoying, to be sure. But... unavoidable. Live with it.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Harry's Rantings

    by Real Deal

    Aside from the fact that you left out Kubrick's 2001 from 1968 Star Wars was created and developed by Lucas. He can do what he damn well pleases with his creation. Good or bad get over it!

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Future editions

    by Nr 1

    CGI has improved "somewhat" since 1997. What if they made Greedo's miss, Jabba etc, look utterly believable?

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Does Lucas Completely Own Star Wars?

    by Barron34

    This is a rhetorical question. My point is, Skywalker Ranch was built by the Star Wars income. Every nail in every building on that ranch represents the hard earned money of some kid who bought a Luke Skywalker lunch pail, or the hard-earned money of that kid's parents. Either way, Lucas should show some humility and some respect for the movie's fans, not the contempt and indifference he apparently bears. Sure, Star Wars is his creation, but his empire was built, penny by penny, by those kids and fans everywhere who loved the original work and bought tickets and merchandise. Mr. Lucas needs to recognize this fact, as does anyone who makes mega-millions off of some creation. Sure, it takes brilliance to create some wonderful product, film, or piece of art that people want to see. But that is only the half of it. The other half is the support that an audience gives that work, as well as their hard-earned dollars, which funds that art and that work. So, yes, Star Wars does belong to George Lucas, but he should not discount the meaning of those kids and those fans. Barron out.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:34 p.m. CST

    come on, we'll be there the first night

    by mayaV

    Be honest, if Lukas was walking up to you with a ticket for a Ep.III preview somwhere in Iceland you'd take it. I would murder my bank account and spend all my money I had to sweat for in a stupid summer job. I wouln't care about family, friends or university and go for it. I would spend a night with Lukas to go there. OK first I'd get so drunk, I could hope not to remember it the day after, but...

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:47 p.m. CST

    And Another Thing...

    by Barron34

    I hate that I have to put the argument in such bare bones economic terms. For those kids and those fans of Star Wars, it was never about money, but just pure love of the films and the fiction. It is apparently Mr.Lucas who looks at Star Wars as a "franchise" and a business empire above other considerations, and he is certainly a skilled businessman. But, for fans, it was never really about money. It was about something they loved. I would say to Mr. Lucas: what is something that you love from your youth? Probably, for Lucas it is cars. I would then say to Mr. Lucas: how would you feel if they took the car you loved the most, say an old Mustang, and say the original designer of the Mustang says he didn't like the original design. Say he went back and "modernized" the design, and further, recalled ALL Mustangs made prior to 1980 and retrofitted them, completely changing the entire look of the original car, to "improve" it. Say it became impossible to find an old Mustang in its original condition, and only "altered" ones could be found. Wouldn't that be horrible? How would you feel if they did that to the great car of your youth? Well, that's how many fans feel about Star Wars. We don't want sacriligeous "altered" versions, we want our old Mustangs (or Millenium Falcons, as the case may be). We want the originals. This matter really is equivalent to that hypothetical. Star Wars IS as important to some people as cars (or dogs, or baseball) are to others. Please understand that and respect that. Thank you.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:51 p.m. CST

    I've just spent most of the weekend watching my new Indy DVD tri

    by togmeister

    I can confirm that the reflection from the glass partition when Indy comes face to face with that cobra is GONE. Last Crusade has a slight change too. In the scene where Donovan and the baddies are conferring with the Sultan before the big tank sequence, there's a scene where Donovan offers the Sultan a chest of treasures 'donated by some of the finest Jewish families in all of Germany'. Except that on broadcast versions and later video releases, the word 'Jewish' has been rendered inaudible. It's still inaudible on the DVD. A small point but some of you may be interested.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:59 p.m. CST

    No, Bill Maher, it would be "tw@"

    by MyNameDoesn'tFit

    Too clever for your own good?

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 3:59 p.m. CST

    JRKer

    by Barron34

    Boycott is a strong idea, and some might go to that extent, and that is their right. My own view is that I have minimal interest in spending ANY money on anything Star Wars related at all. I will probably go to see Episode Three, but will only see it once. I do not own Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones on video, and I probably never will. I never even rented them. I saw both once in the theatre, that's it. I've seen Phantom Menace again on video at a friend's house. That's it. That is a far cry from my response to the original movies. Lucas is making money on the pure momentum of the entire Star Wars phenomena. I am not really spending any money on these movies beyond the intial tickets. So, Lucas will make his cash, and that will be that, but he seems to have missed the boat on something larger and greater. I can understand that if fans are pissed that they might organize some formal boycott, and you know what? If someone does organize a well-thought out boycott or protest, I might well participate. There probably needs to be some sort of counter-balance to the (uncritical?) fans who will still dress up like Obi-Wan and wait in line. So, maybe count me in on some sort of boycott or protest, if it can be gotten going. In any case, my own personal boycott is an utter lack of enthusiasm for spending any real money on any sort of Star Wars stuff. Going to see the last movie is almost a formality at this point, the final nail, as it were. Oh, well.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Burning The Old Trilogy

    by tex792

    Is there any way to burn a videotape to a DVD disc? I have the orignial trilogy on tape but want to transfer it cause I know tapes don't last forever.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 9:41 p.m. CST

    People act as if they were born on the day DVD's came out/Star W

    by watashiwadare

    most of you should still have copies, correct? laserdiscs with uncompressed pcm audio played back in prologic II will sound better than any dolby digital version.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Gravy/Anertek

    by 900LBGorilla

    Thanks Gravy Suckin Pig...you had some good ones too... ----------------------------------Anertek: OK, new direction accepted: I don't agree that "lovers of the original" are in the minority, almost to a man, the people I know think the SE is gay...some would buy the originals, some are too casual to really care much more than to rag the new stuff....however I think we can both agree that neither of us has seen a scientific study on who is correct on that one. ...internet commentary seems to show I am correct here, but that admittedly ain't a scientific sample...and I actually do consider myself a "kid at heart" (maybe it's a black heart, but shit I never claimed to be a saint)...so I would be right back in the line I used to be- praising Lucas if he somehow stops being such an ass and releases the Original/pulls of a great Ep III....I don't think he can write or direct his way out of a paper bag at this point....but shit I would love it if he proved me wrong... ---------------------------------- I also don't find the old graphics at all bad...certainly not as distracting as the new/old FX being mixed which is donright fugly...but whatever, I actually think the old space battle also flows much better, but would not dispute that the new once is slicker with some cool shots as well...The main thing that pisses us off is that Luke-ASS is basically burying the original from any decent future format... --------------------------------- Like the old, like the new...fine...But what a dick Luke-ass is to go out of his way to ignore what certainly A LOT of fans would pay for...and this degree of movie burying has never been done (to my knowledge anyways) outside of Hearst trying to bury citizen Kane...yes that was worse, yes he didn't own the movie...but the bottom line is that we have the fucked up scenario of a director who's is trying to bury THE original version of a movie...what the hell...ya know...

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 10:53 p.m. CST

    New Rule- Bill Maher needs to go away

    by 900LBGorilla

    Uh Bill Maher, I LOVE how you POINT OUT that there is no "Gallup Pole" indicating the SE is inferior...then in the SAME FUCKING BREATH claim that the people who disliking the SE are a "Tiny but obnoxious minority"...I guess you DID see a pole, that proved YOUR numbers are correct...the "Bill wannabe Maher, his mother, and someone he shot the shit with once on the internet Poll"...but it MUST have been a poll...cause you COUDN'T ba a hypocrite who can't apply HIS OWN logic to his own arguments...right?....right? Buehler...?Buehler...?

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 11:02 p.m. CST

    And

    by 900LBGorilla

    Incedentally dude, you seriously need a new hero...I've met more intelligent sheets of plywood than the "real" Bill Maher... ...Just trying to help...

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 11:10 p.m. CST

    who gives a fuck?

    by CaptainBlackbeer

    Honestly, who cares? If Lucasfilm deciding not to let the original version play at some damned film festival that none of you would have been able to attend somehow rapes your childhood, then your childhood must have an extremely loose asshole. There are like 100 posts on this talk back filled with the same snivelling whining garbage. You fucking Star Wars nuts would not be satisfied with what George Lucas does unless Jesus Christ Himself comes out of the TV screen every time you watch the stupid movies. George Lucas DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOU THINK HARRY. Lucas probably comes onto this site occasionally, sees a talkback like this, then grins and just goes to swim in his piles of money. He is withholding the original version for a reason morons, and most likely a smart business move so he can make a shitload more money. God forbid he'd want to make money off of something HE CREATED. "Fuck Lucas, blah blah, I wish he was dead" News flash assholes, if it weren't for Lucas a) Star Wars would not fuckin exist b) this site wouldn't exist because Harry could have possibly found other things to jerk it to other than listening to people fight on online message boards. The people that say "blah I'm boycotting episode three" make me sick. You're so full of shit. If you care about the damned movies enough to post about how Star Wars somehow made you into the person you are today, then not only are you in desperate need of a new life, but there is no way you will sit on your ass watching Captain Planet reruns in your parent's basement instead of going to see the inevitable pile of steaming rhinocerous shit that will be Ep 3. If you hate Lucas so much, why don't you just fucking kill him. Maybe then someone in his company will allow the Original versions to come out on DVD. Then again, it wouldn't matter because you'd be too busy taking it up your ass from some big black guy in prison to enjoy the jizz fest that is Han shooting first. Give me a break. Man, people piss me off.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Lucas, like Michael Jackson, has no REAL friends to tell him he'

    by NicholasWolfwood

    He's like Michael Jackson where none of his friends don't tell him he's too old to have a sleepover. Too many "yes"-men in Lucas' ranch that are too afraid to leave a classic alone. Oh yeah I hear there's a lot of pigfucking in that ranch.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Umm....isn't Focus Grouping something that AICN'ers, bastions of

    by Ribbons

    So what makes this different? I agree with Harry that the 1970's version should be kept for posterity, and I also think that, yeah, it would be a nice for him to make available both versions of the Original Trilogy a la "The Kiwi Crew" (also for posterity) but if he thinks that these changes suit the film better, and you think he's wrong, guess who should have the final say? He doesn't have to listen to you any more than you have to buy it, and that's usually the way it works. You could wave your dollar over his head, but there are too many armchair DVD collectors out there who are more than willing to contribute to Lucas's already-immense fortune. That's infuriating. It's probably even frustrating, but who's to say that your dollar is worth more than there's? You? Well, there you go Lucas: RabidRecluse69 says he likes the original Original Trilogy better. He also says that his opinion should be worth a billion dollars. Get those cogs moving, fellas. When you guys happen to find yourselves on the opposite end of the rope, when people are FORCED to meet demands that the studios create after test screenings, you all shake your heads and talk about how artistic integrity is dead. Well, Lucas is exercising some of that self-expression thang right now and you guys sure ain't buyin' what he's sellin.' The only problem is, people will be buying what he's selling, and money makes the world go round. You have the right to call him a douchebag for spiting his most enthusiastic fanbase (besides for the children who are too young to taste the steel of his mandates), you could get the urge to track him down and smear poop on his windows, but you can't tell him he doesn't have the right to make the movie he wants to make. That sort of requires a group effort. All you can do is either buy what he's selling or.... you know what? You're all right. All of you. He DOES have the right to make the movie he wants to make. But he IS a douchebag. Fuck Lucas!

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 1 a.m. CST

    Influential Films

    by Ribbons

    Also, I agree with whoever said 'Jaws' should be screened, as well. I think that 'Moulin Rouge!' was added to the list because it introduced the musical to a new generation with its crazy MTV-ness, so it's kind of like the intersection of two generations and everything comes full circle and I want pie.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 2:14 a.m. CST

    900LB gorilla/anirtak

    by gravy_suckin_pig

    thank you both for such good posts.man-i almost soied myself with some of the witty banter posted.i for one wholeheartedly agree that lucas needs to release the 77 classic,the way it was shown all those years ago...i also liked some of what the new shit(SE)had to offer-the "yub yub" dance crap fom jedi made me embarassed as a youth.i have also enjoyed,to a slightly lesser degree, the newer films king george has made.i will be attending #3 at midnight, and prolly bitchin bout it the next day.good day to you all.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 2:23 a.m. CST

    the best part...IMHO...

    by gravy_suckin_pig

    about releasing the OT(SE) to disk is the ability to skip parts of the movie that may be objectionable,as in the fuckered up cantina sequence, the jabba one,the extended shitty dance number at the palace in jedi...with a push of a button...out of sight,outta mind.'all too easy'

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 3:49 a.m. CST

    thecutestofborg

    by thecolorsblend

    "Never fear! Plenty of room and welcome here in Middle Earth. Why don't you leave this inferior film behind once and for all? PJ won't tamper with his masterpiece in 20 years just to piss you off." Nah, to see Jackson's upgrades you need only wait for December of every year for that Extended Edition DVD of whichever LOTR flick just came out. He does the same thing Lucas does and you idiots gobble it up. God have mercy, LOTR just sucks.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 3:59 a.m. CST

    StarWars

    by pothers

    Very good talkback. I wonder if Lucas is regretting this now ? Regretting being so disrepectful to the people who have made him a very rich man. I'm 33. I came out of the cinema in 1977 thinking I was Luke Skywalker. Stood first in line when Empire came out and in the playground the only topic of conversation was Vader being Lukes father.. of course.. Empire isn't a Lucas film is it ? Directed by Kershner, co written by Lucas, Kasdan and Brackett. Basically, in what is considered to be the best film from the trilogy, Lucas was just a co-writer and an Exec Producer (what the f~ck do they do anyway ?, make sure everyone has a coffee ?) Went to the cinema to see Phantom Menace, didn't like Jake Lloyd. Didn't see AOTC (the film that made Harry a richman ?) until somebody lent me a bootleg and I won't be seeing episode 3 unless I can download it. Why ?, I love cinema, I think all films should be seen on the big screen - I just can't bring myself to give that man anymore of my money. Won't be buying the dvdboxset - even if it is the original versions that I fell in love with. I still see the unsold PhantomMenace merchandise, I think they must have scaled down for AOTC but it still there in the stores - mountains of plastic figures and lunchboxes that people are not interested enough to buy. As mentioned by "sad sad sad.." Lucas will die a very richman and then maybe a new breed of filmakers will revisit the sequels and prequels with a view to making good films, not just an excuse to sell toys. Whatever they turn out...it'll be better than this shit.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 4:22 a.m. CST

    His movies. His choice.

    by wampa_one

    Enough said. All of you whiney pussies who claim that because you enjoyed the movies in your youth, you have some weird sort of stake in their future, wake up. You had nothing to do with their creation, and only contributed to their success when you bought your tickets and your little plastic Ewoks. Not everyone feels the same way you do, and the only feelings that do matter are those of Fat George.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Two words...

    by rev_skarekroe

    bootleg dvds. sk

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 9:04 a.m. CST

    well

    by ATARI

    it only took three hours to read all these posts, but it was worth it

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 10:08 a.m. CST

    You're all missing the point

    by mortsleam

    The festival got it wrong. The most significant film of the 70's was the Godfather. Perhaps possibly Apocalypse Now, but it was released too late in the decade to truly qualify. The Godfather represented the triumph of the director as auteur over the last crumbling vestiges of the studio system. Star Wars was great. It was the first modern blockbuster and along with Jaws defined the summer event picture. But the Godfather deserves to be part of the "retrospect"(ive) far more than Star Wars. Sorry.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Hey - I'm no fan of pirates, but...

    by Damitol

    This all but seals the deal that Lucas will never release the "real" OT on DVD in his lifetime (Hopefully his kids will want to make some serious cash once he dies and do the right thing). As such - it's time for someone to do a really good, pro-quality rip of the laser disks and release them as Region 0 bootlegs. Normally pirates don't get a whole lot of sympathy from me, but in this case Lucas deserves it. Why does he not see the light and release a technically as perfect as possible, limited edition OT so that fans can buy it, then release the SEs in mass. Soccer Moms and history will accept the SEs as canon while the true fanboys will gladly part with a c-note to own that part of their childhood they hold so near and dear. Hell - do it as a special order only set so that George keeps 100% of the profits. But no - all that blue screen he's been working in has killed most of his brain cells and he is no longer able to think rationally. A Region 0 OT bootleg won't cost George and Co. a penny in lost sales, so let this serve as my permission to whomever has the knowledge, resources and equipment to do an OT DVD set justice to get to work. P.S. - I like Star Wars, LotR, X-Men AND the Matrix. Am I still allowed to post here?

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Embarassment

    by Palhaco

    George Lucas should not be embarassed by the effects in the 1977 original of STAR WARS. (Maybe, if he'd made it today, he could be embarassed of the effects.) If he wants to be embarassed of a film (or video, since that's what he shoots now) he can be embarassed of the two prequels he's made so far. They're hardly the worst films made in the last decade, but they are pretty weak, especially when compared to the 1977 STAR WARS, edited by his then-wife, Marcia. Are the effects "better" in the prequels? In almost every case, yes. Are the writing, acting, directing, editing, etc, better? In almost every case, no. A man made the original. A machine/franchise made the prequels. Like if Michael Eisner and McDonald's were going to make STAR WARS, these are what they would make. If STAR WARS had come out in the late 1990's, as "perfectly" in the effects area, but as soullessly in the story and acting and cinematography areas, I do not believe it would have achieved its cult status around the world.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, noon CST

    I'll say it again...

    by Spike Fett

    ...I have the THX laserdiscs of the originals. Watched them this weekend in fact. You here that Lucas? I have the THX OT on laserdisc, and I will never, NEVER buy your fucking special editions on dvd or any format. There is nothing you can do about it. I will screen my laserdiscs for my friends and there ain't shit you can do about it. Your films? Ha! They're my films now, motherfucker! But tell you what: if you really want to pull all the copies of the OT off the market, I'll sell you my laserdiscs for $1 million each. Take it or leave it, you cocksucking prick.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 2:09 p.m. CST

    chrth

    by taynt

    listen i just sorta stumbled on this. y'all are pretty obsessed and opinionated. i'm not even a fan of these movies anymore. they're kids' stuff. i saw the SW-XMAS special recently w/ a friend who got it on ebay and it was appalling. anyway i'd like to talk to this chrth character because after reading a good part of this list, and i said up front that you are all pretty opinionated and obsessed, it occured to me that you are one bizarre mother fucker. and you know how to push these people's buttons too. shit. you really got at least 2 or 3 other heads in here pissed off. so please either post some sort of manifesto here or send me a lenghty email explaining in great detail what it is you get up to and what you think and dream about. contact me at oppositeofawinner@hotmail.com. my name is preston.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 5:13 p.m. CST

    thecutestofborg and Middle Earth

    by BobBeezer

    "thecutestofborg STAR WARS FANS! Never fear! Plenty of room and welcome here in Middle Earth. Why don't you leave this inferior film behind once and for all? PJ won't tamper with his masterpiece in 20 years just to piss you off." PJ didn't make LotR, or Middle Earth, Tolkien did and PJ tampered with THE masterpeice, which pissed us off. The movies were good in there own right, but don't use that as an example. Have you even read the books? B)

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 5:17 p.m. CST

    "it's time for someone to do a really good, pro-quality rip of t

    by Dan_Average

    Yeah, they should totally get cracking on that. Oh wait, they did, back in 1999.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Bill Maher

    by BobBeezer

    A) Got a girlfriend. Get laid more times than a porno star. Have a good job. am 6'2" and 215lbs. I'm a Star Wars fan. Does anyone care? no. B) While you're right he doesn't have to listen to fan of his films, it doesn't mean they can't express their concerns and opinions. Thats the beauty of freedom. Just like you have the right to try and belittle them. C) From what I've read here, sounds like you're venting frustrations with your own sexuality and sexual inexperience. Kevin Smith said it best in JSBSB. D) Also, you're choice to sit in a film forum and berate others is both pathetic and telling of your own immaturity. E) The prequels suck, no one denies that. But if you're a Star Wars fan, then there is no crime in buying Star Wars merchandise no matter the age. If you're a Football fan, is it a crime to purchase football items of your favorite team? No? why not? it's adults getting paid to play a child's game. Next.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 6:23 p.m. CST

    I Can't Believe You Guys Are Still At It.

    by CHEWBLACCA

    This isn't even about Greedy George anymore.It's become a dick swinging contest.Who's the bigger geek? The one that can't get laid,I guess.All of you love Star Wars or you wouldn't even be reading these.It's all a matter of whether your love is blind or not.Deep,huh? I still love Star Wars(at least the concept of it)but I'm sick of Lucas.'nuff said.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Legality of SE versions

    by SevenofFine

    Okay, this is my first post so please try not to ass rape me, but listen, these films are NOT HIS!!! Sure, he directed Star Wars but what about Empire and Jedi? How can he tinker with ANOTHER DIRECTOR'S FILM? I don't think being executive producer gives him that right. If I was that tool Marquand or whatever his friggin' name is and Kershner I would take his ass to court and say "Get my name off your crappy SEs, jerky!" If he directed all of them, fine, I might give him some leeway but I think it is downright unethical to play with another director's film without their permission. The director is ultimately responsible for the final overall product,leaving them out of the new versions is a breach of that contract.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Sigh.

    by Mad Lemur

    Sorry there Georgie ol' boy, but right about now I'm thinking the STAR WARS KID would be a better choice for writing and directing the final film -- I mean hell, I'd take HIS love for the subject matter over YOUR contempt for it, any damned day....

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 8:45 p.m. CST

    We "geeks" need to stick together.

    by Devil'sOwn

    mayaV, it's okay. Sorry if I offended, and sorry I didn't respond to your post sooner. Wasn't trying to be "cool" or anything. As I said, I understand. This can be a sensitive subject for some people. When you're fond of a particular film and so many strong opinions are flying thick and fast, despite your better judgment, you can get irritated. I confess, I'm mystified by the "tinkering" and would like to see an end to it. I feel obligated to see Ep. III, to once again try and recapture that "wow" feeling, to see what the deal is. Oh ,yeah. Despite everything I've heard to the contrary, I still dream of seeing sequels.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Wow, all these people telling their stories of the first time th

    by HardcoreRocker

    --suck! No one cares, not the fellow talkbackers, Harry, or George Lucas. And I watched the Star Wars SE last night for the first time in awhile. It's just so fake! The Greedo shooting first, all characterizations aside, looks fake on the video! Clearly Han shot first. Ugh. I mean, Lucas has the right to do what he wants, since it's his brainchild, I agree. But then again, everyone has the right to act retarded. www.rockithardcore.com

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Ur all idiots

    by ((SliMey))

    Ok this may have been said before but i dont care i wanna put me point forward, im not old enuf to have seen the original when it first came out but i have watched it on a digital projector on to a wide screen may not be the best look but ohh well ive seen it, i have also seen the special edition and i liked it as well ok, but do u realise how hard it is to keep a film that is 26yrs old in good nick. The film as u know would have kept so bad that it would be a risk using it in a film festival, not all of u bitched about this being a problem but those who did i say grow sum fucking brains u wouldnt let a 26yr old film out to be put througha projector the runs a 24 frames per second and has a xennon light bulb that is running so bright that if the film sum how gets stuck in the shutter which can sum times happen because the projectionist forgets to turn the platter on or wut, it can ruin a print for good, im sorry but lucas is a champ. Y not hire the original on video and run them through a digital projector like i did if u still need to bitch about it. thats my 2 cents

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Star Wars is on life support but Lucas isn't the only one at fau

    by TheCymek

    Remember when it was cool to be a SW fan? Neither can I. there can't be a single SW debate without it turning into a massive clusterfuck! Lucas deserves some grief for turning his cash cow into a running joke but SW fans deserve as much blame for just being losers. There's maybe 10 decent people here. For the rest its time to move on if you now hate what SW has become and time for GL appologists to stop sucking so hard at his cock. If the prick would just release the original versions and let the fans choose like Peter Jackson then nobody would be having this conversation

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Really...

    by radio1_mike

    This is retarded on so many levels: 1) Lucas is the only guy who can revise, if he chooses, since he created it. Whatever our fan-boy hearts may think. 2) Lucas should leave well enough alone. It's like Spielberg with the guns for walkie talkies in ET. You can't change something in 20 years down the line that is the essence of the film because you happen to feel a political bent- one way or another. 3) All the new films have drained me. I can expect a 50/50 chance of a good film for Star Trek. But Star Wars? The guy was batting a 1000 until 1999. I remember being a teen in the 80's, when Lucas revealed he wanted 9 films total- 3 pre and 3 post to come out every 3 years. Now it has all gone down the tubes.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 8:10 a.m. CST

    You fanboys are just Lucas hypewhores.

    by Deerang

    I liked Star Wars when i first saw it. It was good fun. Thats it, it didn't change my life. It was just a fun movie for "kids". As an adult SW is still a kids movie, so PC, so blood free, no sex, no bad language , nothing that will give the little ones nightmares. A cinematic milestone ??? Plz write that quote on a dildo and shove it where the sun don't shine. Star Wars allways will be a bastardised movie with borrowed pieces of other movies. Open your fucking eyes, the only orginal thing was it is set in space, look under the skin and you have a basic war/western movie, NOTHING MORE. Lucas has manipulated most of you to beleive his mytho bullshit, and you have bought into the hype which he needs so much. You all KNEW EP1 was going to be shit, but you saw it anyway. You all KNEW the SP was a fucking stupid idea but you all flocked to the cinema. South Park got one thing wrong, it is still Lucas's movie. Like it or not he wrote the fucking movies so he has the right to do what the fuck he wants. If you don't like it then don't see the fucking movies. You all bitched about who shot first for years after the original release, Lucas sorted the problem out, so you had nothing to bitch about any more and YOU STILL ALL BITCHED !!!!! Now they won't screen the orginal version with the horrible "these fx are really old" boxes around the xwings etc. Its fucking ugly to watch the original now, it looks old. You've all seen the orginal print ten billion times, what is the big fucking deal that you can't see it again ? Heres a tip, buy your own movie house, buy an old print of SW, and show it everyday, get all the SW fanboy nerd fart fucks in there and lock the fucking doors forever so we can be free from these SW spewings.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Stop Bitchin

    by fullofstars

    I am a big fan of the original Star Wars Movies, I Hate the prequel crap, but I can honestly say I would love to see a CGI Kenobi Vader fight replace the original just to see it. I have the originals on tape and that is enough for me. Lucas can no longer tell a Linear Story, what we need to see is Quentin T re do the whole fuckin lot. Ha Ha Put that in your saber and stroke it.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Lucas should be ashamed for this petty action.

    by WarDog

    Why the HELL can't he allow both versions to co-exist? Guess I'll be hoarding my precious original versions on VHS, because they sure won't ever come out on DVD. Damn it, at least Spielberg released E.T. in both versions as a concession to fans of the original, even after he FUCKED over his own creation to make it more PC. I don't think Lucas gets it about how the fans of Star Wars feel toward the original (AND STILL THE BEST). It is what it is in the pantheon of American cinema because it was so astoundingly seminal. It almost single-handedly revived science fiction movies. Well, CE3K could have if it hadn't been so boring, and IF we hadn't had Star Wars already. Lucas might succeed in redeeming himself with Episode III, IF he can tell a good story that wraps up the first half of the saga. But I think the fans most likely to give him a break would be the kids who grew up on the first three episodes, not us loyal, older fans of yesteryear. He's disaffected and disrespected us too much of late.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 11:59 a.m. CST

    I think they WILL release the original versions on DVD

    by Drath

    Come on, you KNOW they will. Not soon, no. They gave us the THX remastered VHS and that'll have to tide us over until 2010 or something like that. First they'll have to release the ESSENTIAL DVD collection with all the prequels and final special editions (like with the kung fu add ons to the Obi Wan/Darth Vader Death Star duel) and supreme extras. After all that is out, after making us all think it's over and we'll never get to see them again, THEN they'll release the original trilogy. If not...if Lucas goes so far as to put it in his Will even that the originals never ever be shown...well, even then I think someone will piss on his grave and release them anyway. Because eventually it'll be out of Lucas's control and film historians will be crawling all over it and bootleg nuts everywhere will be peddling this puppy to the masses. Eventually. But I really think the originals will get a legitimate DVD release before it comes to that. Call me a silly optimist or worse, but I think it'll happen because Lucas is a business man and he knows he can create a demand this way.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Blah blah blah

    by wrangler

    Let's recap the above- Luca is a genius. Lucas is a greedy bastard. Many people want the OT on DVD. Many people don't care about the OT. LOTR has cooler geeks. I'll throw this in to the mix- if the OT ISN'T remade, I'll be surprised. Why? Let's talk technology. How has anyone justified the difference in technology between EP I and EP IV? We go from the Nubian fighters and cruise ships to X-Wings and blockade runners? From digital displays to analog DOS-looking readouts? I say, remake them all. Keep the EXACT SAME DIALOG, SCENES, etc. Let Spielberg direct them. Peter jackson even. Somebody else. Someone who has shown the ability to direct actors AND manage action sequences AND integrate CGI/special effects. Lucas is a master of technology, a master of story-boarding and has a great imagination in terms of mythological storytelling. The man can't direct people. case in point, when Harrison Ford was asked 20 years ago about Lucas' directing style, Ford's reply- "When he didn't like something, he would tell us to do it again but faster and with more energy". Yikes...... Just wait til he adds even more scenes to the OT to futher "enhance" the connections between the movies? Bail Organa dying in ANH? Boba Fett in ANH stalking Obi Wan for revenge? The 'droids remebering Anakin and Obi Wan? Padme references from Owen and Beru? You laugh, but it's gonna happen...... *****NOTE- I was 6 when SW came out. I own all THREE VHS editions and both of the prequels on DVD. I will be crushed if the OT isn't released on DVD. He's too full of himself and pissing on 30 years of his fans passion.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:18 p.m. CST

    It's the dark side we fear

    by mayaV

    I see what you mean, DO. Temper's rising fast with talkbackers. It seems like the dark side's trying to seduce and attac every single one of us. We must control our feelings. May the Force be with you!

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Get Real, People

    by The Mad Yank

    I've been lurking here for a couple of years now, reading various talkback comments about this and/or that. I've been an SF fan since Rocky Jones, Space Ranger. Saw all the Voyages to the Bottom, grew pointy ears with the rest of the Trekkies, ran my ASS off with Steve Austin. I cheered when SW debuted in May 77. Hell, I have a first edition of the paperback that says on the front, Soon to Be a major Mothion Picture, and doesn't list any actors. I saw SW in original release 18 times in the first 9 months of the run (and since I was working full-time, I had to pay for it - and the girl's tickets, as well!). I stood in lines for ESB and Jedi. By the time the Special Editions came out (both the Fully restored, and the Fully Upgraded versions), I was married the third time and had learned how to avoid the lines. I actually bought bootlegged SW VHS, then all 3 versions of the legal tapes. And still have all but the bootlegs. So, I think this gives me a LITTLE license to rag on those of you who delight in debate about the various versions and what His George-ness can/can't/should do with HIS PROPERTY. 'Scuse me; That's right, I said HIS PROPERTY. I don't LIKE Lucas' habit of filing off the serial numbers and changing things in his films every few years and then re-issuing them. I don't LIKE his basic (displayed) attitude of 'Hey Jack, you don't like the way I make movies? Piss off, go make your own. Oh, no funding? TS, do it like I did; con some studio into bankrolling you, then roll them.' But, have any of you looked at one possible reason WHY George is doing this? Marcia OWNS HALF of the original Trilogy! George doesn't want to pay her half of what he sells the DVDs, so he won't put the Original Editions on DVD! As part of the settlement (unless I've been misinformed, in which case I KNOW someone will scream at me here before my keyboard gets cold), Marcia Lucas, who did the major editing on SW, gets something like 45% of the gross on ANYTHING OE! Whereas, since she was GONE when the Specials came out, she gets DIDDLY. If YOU (yes, mister geek, YOU) had gone through a bitter divorce like George and Marcia did (regardless of whose fault it was), YOU would hold out anything that would improve the fortunes of your ex-spouse. And if you try to deny that, I'll call you a bare-faced LIAR any time you want to meet, face-up. As far as the rest is concerned, let's face facts; Star Wars is now and forever shall be, worlds without end, Amen, the sole intellectual property of George Lucas. It is his and his alone to delegate any disposition of that work, including exhibition, duplication, distribution, etc. It's his toy, kiddies; play with it the way he says, or go home. If it bothers you that much to see someone do what they want with their property, then go make your little movies with your little camcorder and your little Kenner toys, and try not to get sued for copyright infringement. Or better yet, go design your OWN toys and make your movies with THEM. Then sell copies of THEM, earn more money that George did, and see how YOU handle fame, fortune, and 300 million-plus weenies all trying to claim YOUR WORK as their childhood memories. Jesus Christ, you idiots; Shatner was right! 'Get a LIFE!'

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:03 p.m. CST

    hello?

    by DocPazuzu

    You know, it's mind-bogglingly easy to obtain decent bootleg DVDs of the OT. I'd wager most of you whiners already know that. If it really was just about your own personal preferences for Star Wars, you'd just get the DVDs and shut up. You people just want to bitch. Personally, I hate most of the Special Edition stuff, but I have the bootlegs so why should I care? I'm beginning to think most of you have the bootlegs too, but you just want to vent your fanboy angst. Lay off the cheetos and Mountain Dew and act like adults, why dontcha.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:20 p.m. CST

    you don't weigh in, you don't wrassle

    by jamawalk

    look kids, its his movie. he paid the cost to be the boss, so just back off and let him do whatever the fuck he wants to "ruin" it or make it better or different or whatever. its his decision to make. not yours. your decision is wether or not you will support him and his changes financially. if you want to show him you are not happy with his work then (check out this revolutionary concept) DON'T PAY TO GO SEE IT. personally i am pissed that i can't get BooBerry cereal around where i live anymore. its only in Maine and Mexico or some shit. and thats a bummer. but i'm not going to start a fucking chat room to complain. i found another kind of cereal. its called Movie Making With Integrity. And i'll eat up that shit all day, with little to no milk. So why don't you all quit your belly-aching and GET OVER IT. And if you think there's a better way to do what Lucas does, than get off your fat asses, get out of your parents basements, put down your replica lightsaber and go make your own movie. and here's a tip, skid-wads, if you want to get a meeting you better take off that smelly Babylon 5 t-shirt first. you've all been cleansed.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:45 p.m. CST

    I feel sorry for Star Wars fan...

    by Lost Skeleton

    ...the franchise is not the same as the one I loved when I was a kid. The prequels are simply awful...and that is putting it mildly. I doubt it that Peter Jackson or the W brothers would allow their original story and concepts to be stripped down to a greedy money-making scheme...it's just hard for me to respect Lucas. Revolutions...Nick from CHUD and Atticus Finch may hate it but really...can you take their opinion seriously on November 5th!

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 5:08 p.m. CST

    film history...

    by MisterGrimloch

    just like any history, is written by the victors. in this case, the victor is George Lucas, because he created something, and it was successful. now, he will do with it as he wishes, which is the exact same thing that any independent filmmaker would do, and like it or not, Lucas is the ultimate independent filmmaker. he calls ALL the shots, for better or worse, and the final cut, say so, or edit is his. as for anyone whining about the fact that the current trendy medium of home video will likely not see the versions that existed in theaters in the late 70's, early 80's, deal with it. this type of thing is not new, and it is given all this attention ONLY because the SW fanbase, just like LOTR, or any other group of no-life basement dwelling parasites "live" for the existence of these franchises, and are as foolishly wrapped up in all this bullshit to the same extent as a loud New York Yankee fan who constantly muses the assanine taunt of their World Series success. hey, i love all SW films, and at least half the LOTR films, but the fact is that neither you nor i have any say in how the creator of, in this case the SW films, sees fit to display his creation to the world. the laughable cries of foul from those who lament the absence of the original versions on dvd (including several who operate this site) are just that, laughable. solving the problem of being pissed off at Lucas for refusing to give in to fanbase pressure is, as far as i'm concerned, a brilliant move, and yeah kids, George is brilliant at making money. he's been making ALOT of it for the past 30 years, whilst the majority of people who inhabit this site have been sitting in their own shit, crying like babies that their childhood memories are being eroded. i actually prefer the original versions, warts and all (with the exception of ROTJ), but i am enjoying far more the terrified adolescent screeching that comes from all those losers who can't handle Lucas' decision like adults. no SW film could ever provide as much enjoyment to me as i get whenever i read, or hear some 30-40 year old practically break down in tears at the fact that when Lucasfilm told you all that this would be the "very last time" the originals would be offered, they meant it, and you suckers paid no attention. now, on top of ALL of that, is the fact that....ahem, OBVIOUSLY SOMEDAY LUCAS WILL RELEASE THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS, BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE HIM MORE MONEY, YOU STUPID FUCKING ASSHOLES!!!!!! STOP WHINING, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY YOU WILL GET YOUR FUCKING WAY!!!

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 7:27 p.m. CST

    It will happen

    by Aetius450

    Even if Lucas sticks to his guns, it only means the original versions will be delayed until after he dies. His heirs will determine if the demand still exists, and if it does then they will release them. They will also allow more new Star Wars movies to be made before the copyright runs out; they'd be crazy not to. My guess is that they will remake the Prequels. The worst thing about that will be that it will reflect badly on the cast of the Prequels, who should not be blamed by those who think their acting stinks. Their talent is undeniable; its up to the writer/director/producer to let it show. But I do think that Lucas has the right, legally obviously but also morally, to do what he pleases with his own property. But it sure seems like he has gone out of his way to needlessly piss alot of people off.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Right back atcha, mayaV.

    by Devil'sOwn

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Mister Grimloch..you speak the truth

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    While i find Lucas's unwillingness to show the original version of Star Wars on special occasions like this a rather loathsome act, i can't find a single reason as to why there is such an outcry for a re-release of the original versions. I find it very surprising that the vast majority of these supposedly HUGE Star Wars fans never purchased a copy of the OT in the, lets see now..., easily 14 years, that they were available on VHS; and to a lesser extent Laserdisc. How in gods name did these fanboys get by all of that time without their regular star wars fix? I'd really like to know. I don't consider myself a fanboy, i don't watch SW religiously, hate the prequels, but like anyone who appreciates movies i make sure i buy the classics. When i saw those ads that said 'once it's gone, it's gone forever' i knew i HAD to buy them. It's amazing to think that there are people on here that can go out of their way to buy a fucking star wars lunch box or some other nasty star wars merchandise/collectables, yet couldn't aquire what arguably should be the MOST IMPORTANT PART of their collection. What happened to honoring those cherished memories of 1977? :D - We all know that GL won't back down, not a chance in hell. You can cling firmly to the belief that his greed will eventually make him reconsider but let's look at it this way; He's rich enough already and after Ep 3, as shit as it will be, he'll have coined in even more money. For the peanuts he'd make from a DVD release i'm sure he'd quite happily cut his own nose off (in a proverbial manner) just to piss off all those people who love to call him a cunt for one reason or another. I know i would if i were in his shoes.

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Nostalgia

    by Robzombie450

    I was born in 1970 and was fortunate enough to grow up during that magical time. KISS was the coolest thing to come along in music, Eight tracks were still popular, the Six Million dollar Man was the coolest and milk got delivered right to your front door. I remember my Big Wheel, my first bike, my first best friend, having to wait for my friends to come home from school, kindergarten, and so much more. My mother still has pictures and movies from those days and it

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Just as predicted in Rollerball

    by Cabron

    Our records are being tampered with. The libraries are being revised.

  • Oct. 20, 2003, 7:07 p.m. CST

    ESB vs Robocop 2

    by die-jarjar-die

    Always makes me laugh when people praise ESB as being the better SW film (which obviously it is) due to Irvin Kershners awesome direction & then bitch about Robocop 2 being a piece of shit movie!!! Hello people! SAME DIRECTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps it would be better to infer that ESB is the superior SW movie due to the screenplay not being written by Lucas & that combined with Irvins stunning direction is why it is the superior film, this then gives you even more ammo to utterly piss on ESB when Lucas "fucks with ESB ultimate version" Oh, and I shall buy both the SE dvd's, the Ultimate versions (should they see the light of day) and the Classic versions when they appear in years to come just before the thrid trilogy! Bong! She's the SLUT!