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A writer is brought aboard to pen the FOUNDATION films for Fox!!!

Hey folks, Harry here with truly monumental geek news... The beginning of the process for THE FOUNDATION films... these could be brilliant... I'm so scared of this project though. Jeff Vintar's I, ROBOT has me scared to death, and just hoping that Proyas can find the film and make something brilliant happen. I, ROBOT was never an easy project to adapt, but it is child's play next to this series, which is one of the holy grails of serious science fiction! Here's the news...

Twentieth Century Fox has just hired a writer to script two movies at the same time, ala "Lord of the Rings," these being the scripts to FOUNDATION and SECOND FOUNDATION.  They tell the story of Hari Seldon and his science of psycho-history, which predicts the next thousand years of the human race.  The future is put in jeopardy by the appearance of the Mule, a mutant who takes over the galaxy, and who can't have been part of Seldon's Plan.  Fox obviously sees this as a sci-fi Lord of the Rings.  The writer is Jeff Vintar, who penned next summer's Will Smith starrer "I, ROBOT" based on his original screenplay "Hardwired," with characters and concepts from Asimov, a sort of "early days at U.S. Robotics" prequel that Alex Proyas [DARK CITY] is directing. 

The plan for the FOUNDATION movies is for a very faithful adaptation of the sci-fi classic, turning the trilogy of loosely-connected stories into at least two films.  The director is Shekhar Kapur [BANDIT QUEEN, ELIZABETH], and the producer is Vince Gerardis [the upcoming FORGE OF GOD from Warner Bros.].  Vintar will begin work on the scripts when he completes his adaptation of the Vertigo comic book Y:  THE LAST MAN for New Line Cinema, which David S. Goyer [BLADE] is producing....  

  You heard it first from....  

...THE CRIMSON BRAIN.

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  • Oct. 9, 2003, 5:50 a.m. CST

    How the HELL are they going to adapt this?

    by HappiWerld111

    Book one covers four generations in 200 pages, and book two features an entire story that is never referred to again. The story doesn't start to form anything like a plot until the middle of "Foundation and Empire," with the appearance of the Mule, who I have to admit would be a fantastic character to see on screen.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 6:14 a.m. CST

    What about a new trilogy?

    by docemonos

    I hope this could be the LOTR of Sci-Fi, I really hope so. Anyway, I

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 6:28 a.m. CST

    By Trantor!

    by NERD FIGHT

    I love Foundation but it aint no Sci fi Lord of the Rings. It's an exploration of a fascinating concept - scientifically predicting mass human behaviour...I think it would be too cerebral to be as popular as the no-doubt huge budget would require, and I wouldn't really want to see a dumbed down version of the story either. Adrien Brody as the Mule.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 6:48 a.m. CST

    it's about time

    by joeypogi

    it's about time Hollywood decided to make this movie. thanks to CGI, no movie is impossible. But I do hope they run out of books soon so they can start making originals again.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 7:10 a.m. CST

    It

    by halconmilenario

    I

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 7:51 a.m. CST

    At least it isn't another friggin remake ...

    by godoffireinhell

    We should be grateful for that! I'm not sure they can successfully adapt those books but I have to say I am very pleased that many Hollywood studios are now developing epic sci-fi/fantasy films, all of that thanks to Peter Jackson and his LOTR-box-office-gold. Now fasttrack those ELRIC OF MELNIBONE films, Paramount!

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 7:58 a.m. CST

    I'm surprisingly hopeful

    by CellarDoor

    and will remain so. Don't expect this to be a faithful adaption however as, with LOTR, that's impossible. A refined script based on the concepts rather than all the details could work. At worst this will be aimed at an adult audience. I wish I could say the same for I, robot. The more I hear about that 'adaption' the more I think its a deliberate satire on the way a licence is handled in Hollywood.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 8:03 a.m. CST

    writer?

    by ChickenGeorgeVII

    FOX is bringing in a writer? Have they lost their minds???? FOX DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' WRITERS!!!! THEY NEED MARKETING REPORTS!!! THEY NEED TOY FRANCHISING!!! THEY NEED TO BUY UP A BILLION CUPS AT TACO BELL!!! THEY NEED TO SPLIT INTO AS MANY 77 MINUTE INSTALLMENTS AS THEY CAN!!! THEY NEED A NEW BOX SET FOR EVERY INSTALLMENT ON DVD!!! THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOUNG MEN AGED 12-24 THINK OF THE FEMALE LEAD AND WHICH ONE OF THE FEMALE SUPPORTING CHARACTERS NEEDS MORE SCREEN TIME! FOX NEEDS TO BE BLOWIN' SHIT UP! AND SHOW LOTS AND LOTS OF BREAST!!! BOOMS AND BOOBS!!!! BOOBS AND BOOMS!!!! FOX NEEDS TO SATURATE MTV, ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT, AND THE SIMPSONS WITH TIE-INS!!!! THEY NEED TO SET UP THE SPECIAL EPISODE OF THE ORLANDO JONES SHOW FEATURING THE ENTIRE CAST!!! FOX NEED MY MONEY...NOT MY HEART!!!!!...jesus, rupert, you getting soft....And thus, I have spoken! - - - George, The 7th Chickeb!!!!

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 8:12 a.m. CST

    yep...i did it

    by ChickenGeorgeVII

    It's official....I misspelled my own name.....I am now too shitfaced to post.....And thus, is 6am too early for drinking cognac with a straw? - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Battlefield Earth II!

    by afraidoffans

    Seriously, this could be even worse than BE...I mean to make it viable to the Hollywood Execs, they would have to insert loads of action scenes that are not in the book, change the characters, introduce a love interest, some cute cuddly aliens and robots that would make great merchandise toys and a sub-plot involving a big conspiracy about something that is never really explained. Pretty standard stuff really.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 8:46 a.m. CST

    No! Please! Leave it be!

    by Auroch

    There is no way that the Foundation trilogy can be properly brought to film. The stories have almost no action at all, and very little comedy. I'd much rather they let it be rather than desecrate his greatest work of science triumphing over chaos

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Here's hoping

    by Miami Mofo

    that they'll be able to make something good of this, but I fear that Asimov might not translate well onto the big screen. I've always loved The Foundation series, just like I loved the story 'Nightfall,' and what an awful movie that turned out to be. Also, what about Foundation and Empire? I suppose that elements of the original Foundation trilogy will be pared down to make two movies rather than three. Adrien Brody as The Mule is an inspired choice.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Can't avoid dumbing this down

    by Nevermore

    The Foundation trilogy, at its core, is about human behavior. It'd be impossible to make this movie a faithful adaptaion with mass market appeal. Why? Well, it's simple. First, let me preface this by stating that it's been about 10 years since the last time I read these books, so if my recollection is a little hazy (or off-base), it's unintentional. Anyway, the first challenge to the Foundation is defeated through the implied threat of force that the people of Terminus can't back up. Then they hold their rivals at bay through the non-violent use of a religious cult that preaches about the Galactic Spirit (and since all of the priests were trainined on Terminus, they won't allow an attack on the planet). Then the Foundation wins a war due, essentially, to the results of an economic embargo. Sure, it makes for thought-provoking reading, but where's the action that'll bring teenage boys (the core of your target audience) back for multiple viewings? It isn't until the second book that there develops something akin to the stories found in most sci-fi fare -- a war that the Foundation actually has to fight (against the remnants of the Empire). Of course, they win that through political means just when their doom seems assured. Only then do we get to the Mule. To make the Mule's threat monumental, the earlier threats need to be shown so that the prophetic attributes of psychohistory can be revealed -- and the results of a mutant more fully appreciated for the monkey in the wrench that he is. Sadly, the first movie would be beyong dull for most folks... unless the production team decides to throw in some action that didn't exist in the books.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Forge of God?

    by c4andmore

    Would that be the novel by Greg Bear? Earth has been destroyed and a starship of humans has been sent to find and destroy the homeworld of the aliens that did it. Plus they team up with a race of intelligent eels who only can think when they swarm and become sentient. Good tale of revenge.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Only TWO films???

    by WarDog

    Well, maybe they can split Foundation and Empire in half. That actually might help the adaptation process. The section dealing with the Mule and his conflict and attempt to subvert the Foundation were the best part of the trilogy, so I'm glad they're keeping him. 'Twould by sacrilegious if they didn't. And they're going to need to keep the Mule's secret very well, so it isn't blown for the audience ahead of time. ******* I'm also kind of worried about whoever is adapting them, if he chooses to do it faithfully or puts more action-oriented plot threads into the screenplay. Asimov is terribly talky. His characters tend to discuss the situation endlessly as opposed to TAKING ACTION to solve the problems. Guess I'm just gonna have to reread the books, since it's been 30 years ago when I first read the trilogy.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Shekhar Kapur

    by farung_jeff

    there's nothing on imdb about Shekhar Kapur directing this movie

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Nothing good will come of this. Fox is cheap,...

    by Russman

    stingy, and short sighted that they will undercut this thing at every turn of the way. They don't have the vision nor the balls to properly translate this. They think they can do a LOTR kind of epic, but they will fail. Even if this writer puts his heart into it, the suits WILL fuck it up. This is simply the result of a bunch of suits sitting around trying to find someway to tap into and pick the pockets of the millions of people who have read this seires of books opposed to the labor of love and respect that is clearly the case with the makers of LOTR. I bet you that Foundation will have a couple of bullet-time sequences too.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Hugo Weaving as Hari Seldon.

    by Fred

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Nothing says "excitement" like highly complicated and advanced m

    by rev_skarekroe

    sk

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 10:27 a.m. CST

    The only way to do this right: start with the MULE

    by zinc_chameleon

    And work backwards and forwards. Or do the first movie from the perspective of the cute little (underage!--hey, maybe Rachel Evans Wood) beach bunny who teams up with Preem Palver. Her character is one of the best Asimov ever wrote. Asimov didn't like action; he openly opposed the "Rocket-Man" stuff in the 40's and 50's. Instead he used the offstage approach favour by his main guy, Shakespeare.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 11:50 a.m. CST

    bad idea

    by Rupee88

    If they make these films, they will have little in common with the books. The books are more about ideas, than action and the public hates cerebral sci-fi. Look at the failures of Solaris and Final Fantasy for proof of that. The general public just likes action sci-fi and that's all they will pay to see.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 11:51 a.m. CST

    As much as I hate the guy, Clay Aiken as the Mule. He looks the

    by Amadeus Zero

    n/t

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Yes!

    by UES

    Oh thank God, finally a cure for my chronic insomnia.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Keep LUCAS far far away from this project...

    by ScreamingPenis

    This truly is going to take some real vision to do right.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 12:21 p.m. CST

    ok then....

    by The joker's kid

    This could go eighterway. If they do this film just right, it could be one the greatest films of all time and do good as Lord of the rings. or it could being lame and forgotten

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 12:32 p.m. CST

    if only kubrick were still alive

    by ScreamingPenis

    exactly. this needs to look more like 2001 and less like Starship Troopers.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Reads like a press release...

    by SPY-der

    Interesting. This thing doesn't read like it's from a fan in the Industry who happened to find this out; it reads like someone's agent pumped out a press release. In all fairness, if "I, Robot" sucks it won't be entirely Vintar's fault. He wasn't the only person working on it; there were other writers brought in at various points in development, which happens all the time. I think Vintar will end up sharing credit with Akiva Goldsman. I haven't read "Foundation" yet, but let's give these guys a chance. I'm sure there's a movie in there somewhere. At least they're doing 2 movies; I'm sure at one point they were only talking about doing one. -- SPYder, out.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Marylin Manson as the Mule, Morgan Freeman as Hari Seldon

    by Mister Pink

    There is no chance that this will ever resemble the novels. The studio execs are going toi want a Star Wars style franchise with action heros and merchandise. There are really no continuous characters in the novels except for Seldon (who exists mostly as a hologram) and the Mule. Another point that no one has mentioned yet is that there are virtually no female characters in the novels. I will guarantee right now that the studio will insist on concocting a primary female character and that furthermore they will insist on shoehornijng some bullshit fucking romance into the script. Something like Foundation would probably work better as a TV series in which the individual stories can be broken up into episodes and we can get a better sense of history passing and the Seldon apperances could have more dramatic resonance. I don't know how they will straemline the story for the movie but you can bet that the studio will be focusing on spaceship battles and wooden heros while completely gutting the tory of any of its intellectual ruminations or insights.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Ringworld

    by Geordie

    Now there's a SF novel that could make a great film, I'm suprised no one's doing it yet. Can't see the Foundation series making good cinema, not unless they change it so much only the name is left. Kubrick could do it, can't think of anyone else who could.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Whoa Whoa.. Forge of God???

    by Lolthien

    Is that based on the Sci Fi book of the same name?? If so where's the info on this???

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I'd love to see it...

    by DocPazuzu

    ....but I think the only way to pull it off would be a Sci-Fi miniseries a la Frank Herbert's Dune. Larry Niven's books are very much hard SF, and immeasurably more cinematic. Ringworld would be a good choice, as would Footfall (imagine a BELIEVABLE ID4), A Mote in God's Eye and Legacy of Heorot (a Terran colony battling a ferocious alien beast that makes the Predator look like Elmer Fudd).

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Another one I'd like to see...

    by DocPazuzu

    ... is a series of films dealing with Poul Anderson's Dominic Flandry -- master diplomat and agent of the Terran Empire, constantly trying to stave off the encroaching and inevitable decline of Terra's power and influence against new and more politically ambitious Galactic adversaries.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Damn, I'm on a roll now.

    by DocPazuzu

    How about Harry Harrison? Don't tell me you don't think the Stainless Steel Rat is ripe for cinema? Or how about his Eden Trilogy -- a world in which the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs never struck, leaving an alternate present day where intelligent, bipedal dinosaurs rule the Earth with advanced genetic technology and humans are primitive, scattered and fighting for their lives?

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 3:17 p.m. CST

    I, Robot then Foundation?

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Let's not count Bicenntenial Man as movie "canon" just because it was more of a crappy love story than an Asimov film, Three Laws aside. Why would they make I, Robot and then jump all the way to the Foundation? If they want an EPIC they should continue from I, Robot right on through the Robot Novels and show the robots involvement with the creation of both the Empire and the Foundation. If any changes could be made, I'd say a few scenes with Daneel thrown into the Empire movies and Foundation movies would be appropriate for continuity's sake.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Let Cameron do it!

    by superdave

    Let Jim Cameron do this!!!

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 4:54 p.m. CST

    I've never heard of these books, are they any good?

    by Fizzy Cherry

    And what's the plot? Just a quick synopsis will do.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 5:02 p.m. CST

    I can only hope

    by Freezypop

    I first read the Foundation series a couple years ago and i have to say they are probably my favorite pieces of scifi writing. I hope that what they are making can do the books justice. i for one can't wait.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 5:20 p.m. CST

    So much sci-fi is based on this series.....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    So much of modern sci-fi is based on these books, Robot-Empire-Foundation, that to not do them justice would break my heart. Brent Spiner and Lance Henrickson both played Asimovian type robots, although Data certainly exceeded the 3 Laws eventually. Coruscant and the Empire are certainly Trantor and the Galactic Empire. So much of sci-fi has borrowed things liberally from Asimov that it would be nice if the original source material was presented as is.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 5:21 p.m. CST

    You're right, CoB

    by Geordie

    AND it'll be a two-headed ostrich with the voice of the sexiest woman alive - what's not to like :) If they can get the FX's right and convey the sheer scale of the Ringworld, it'll be a repeat veiwing film that'll make a mint. Other SF books that could make a movie: Greg Bear's Eon and Blood Music (imagine Blood Music directed by Cronenberg); Simak's Destiny Doll and Time is the Simplest Thing; Philip Jose Farmer's Riverworld and World of Tiers books; the list goes on. I'd also like to see a good film of King's Running Man, without Arnie (or the Californicator, as he is known over here).

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Synopsis for Foundation

    by ScreamingPenis

    synopsis from http://www.missouri.edu/~cjwd32/books/foundation.html The basic premise, set out in the prologue and the first episode is one of a collapsing Galactic Empire, whose corruption and stagnation over the last few centuries is soon to bring to ruin an empire which reigned for over 13,000 years. There is a special group of mathematicians/psychologists who have created a field known as psychohistory by which they can predict the actions of a large community of people induced by varied social, political, and economic factors. Using this science, the greatest psychohistorian, Hari Seldon, predicts the fall of the Empire and a period of 30,000 years of barbarism to follow before the next Imperium rises. He obtains the unknowing assistance of the Empire in setting to action his 'Plan', which will allow a new Empire to rise in a mere 1,000 years. Thus, a community of people in Seldon's employ move to distant planet Terminus to establish the First Foundation. Seldon also promises a Second Foundation "at the other end of the Galaxy...let's say at Star's End." In order for Seldon's Plan to succeed, a strict course must be followed along the psychohistorical future of the people of Terminus. In each of the four stories to follow, the population faces a critical point in that Plan, known as a Seldon Crisis. The political climate on Terminus, it's relations with neighbor Kingdoms strong in military might and recently broken free of the still collapsing Galactic Empire, and the powers of adventurous Traders and Merchant Princes all play a factor in the intriguing world Asimov creates. The style of the novel is very enjoyable. Each episode sets up a sort of 'problem' over which the reader ponders. Most of each episode is taken with dialogue, arguments between the major players in the upcoming Crisis. And in the end, an incredibly perceptive (and often devious) man always manages to see the solution, take control despite apparently insurmountable odds, and put his name down in history. You'll find yourself puzzling over the problem at hand and pulling for the main character to escape his predicament and come out farther ahead than he started. This style of writing is relatively unique in science fiction and doesn't let the reader even _think_ of setting down the book until the current episode is finished.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Forge of God is the first book, c4andmore

    by ZombieChrist

    Anvil of the Stars is the one you describe. In Forge of God Earth goes ka-blooey. In Anvil of Stars the humans go out in the Ship of the Law and an alien-run solar system goes ka-blooey. Anvil is the far superior book. One of my all-time faves. I just friggin' love it. www.zombiechrist.com

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 5:47 p.m. CST

    And that's just the first book!

    by Miami Mofo

    The second book, 'Foundation and Empire' is divided into two parts -- part one deals with The Foundation two hundred years after it's founding. It has become the most powerful force in the galaxy, except for the remnants of the old Empire which still controls the center and most populous portion of the galaxy, which The Foundation must eventually fight in it's biggest crisis. The second part deals with The Mule, a mutant who "upsets" Seldon's plan and his battles with The Foundation. The third book, 'Second Foundation' is also divided into two parts, the first of which is The Mule's search for The Second Foundation, and the second part, which deals with The Foundation's search for The Second Foundation. 'Foundation' was published in 1951, 'Foundation and Empire' in 1952 and 'Second Foundation' in 1953.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Geordie...

    by Shaner Jedi

    ....the simple reason Ringworld has yet to be made boils down to one thing: Cost. Tippett tried to do it but the studio balked at the budget numbers. And that was with Tippett doing it in-house through his effects studio.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Other Sci Fi in development

    by vorpalbuni

    Fox is doing STAINLESS STEEL RAT, adding to their Sci Fi stable including FOUNDATION and I ROBOT. Warner Bros is doing FORGE OF GOD, and the sequel, God-willing. TALISMAN getting close to being made, at Dreamworks I think.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Fizzy Cherry .... check out the 3 books, they're really good.

    by Russman

    You'll see where Lucas got some of his ideas from - The planet Trantor is the capital planet for the galactic empire - the entire planet is a giant city just like another planet we all know called Corrasant(sp). The thing is that when you read it, you must not let the jumps in time throw you off. When I was a kid that initially turned me off, but later on when I picked it up again it I dug it. It's a good read I think you'll like them.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 6:01 p.m. CST

    NOO

    by oasis1485

    There is no way they could do this series justice. LOTR was possible because it was essentially just a linear story with different viewpoints (and flashbacks). If they do the Foundation movies they'd have to say "______ Years Later" every ten minutes! It is simply impossible to have such a grand, epic story with soo many essential characters squeezed into movies.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Hairy uuuhhhh....

    by Shaner Jedi

    Nutsack?! Ahemmm....okay, great idea about Fox develpong the Robot Daneel stories first to set up the Foundation stories to follow. Great idea. Fox apparently wants another tentpole franchise after Star Wars goes bye-bye.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Aronofsky?

    by Kevin Bosch

    Is this the same thing Darren Aronofsky was working on until Brad Pitt dropped out?

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Oh wait....

    by Kevin Bosch

    That was the Fountain.. and this is the Foundation! I'm so stupid...

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Vintar / I, ROBOT

    by Doc_McCoy

    Harry, you should be aware that you can't hold Vintar responsible if you don't like the way I ROBOT turns out. His script was the kind of thing sci-fi geeks would have gotten excited about. After various draft, Will Smith came aboard and they hired Hilary Seitz to do a draft that made the story a lot more commercial and mainstream and less edgy. Finally they brought in rewrite king Akiva Goldsman to tailor it exactly to Will Smith: a bland blockbuster full of unnecessary one-liners. The only thing that can save this project is if Proyas directs the shit out of it. Anyway, I'm excited to see what Vintar can do with the FOUNDATION series, and Kapur is a great choice for director.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 8 p.m. CST

    I dont think there is enough violence for this to be a hollywood

    by cornstalkwalker

    this better be good cause the books are great.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Thanks Zombiechrist

    by c4andmore

    You are correct sir, I think they could safely skip Forge and just go right into Anvil though. Forge was kind of slow for me.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Foundation on shaky ground

    by kolwalski

    if the power miesters aren't savvy enough to use Harlan Ellison's legendary script for I, Robot , what hope is there for Foundation surviving the grist mill of morons running the show? I weep for our loss.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Foundation on shaky ground

    by kolwalski

    if the power miesters aren't savvy enough to use Harlan Ellison's legendary script for I, Robot , what hope is there for Foundation surviving the grist mill of morons running the show? I weep for our loss.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Psychohistory and Chaos Theory

    by zinc_chameleon

    One problem with the storyline will be bringing the math up to date. 1940's gas statistics were the source of the original psychohistory; that was before Lorenz discovered strange attractors, and everything else fractal and chaotic came along. They'll have to fudge the science to make it current. But! Arkady Darrell(Rachel Evans Wood), Preem Palver (who would be Vince Taylor Pruitt--fat but very smart--)and the Mule are still some of the best characters in sci-fi. Tell it from the point of view of the characters, and worry less about perfect timelines. That's my 25 cents worth. Wait! Maybe Harry could get a bit part as a psychohistorian?

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Film Stephen R. Donaldson's Gap Series!

    by Malik23

    If Hollywood really wants to make an epic s.f. movie franchise with some balls, do Donaldson's Gap series! It's got sex, murder, rape, space fights, aliens, conspiracies, political intrigue, kick-ass characters, kick-ass dialogue, tragedy, suspense, and truly epic stakes! Adapt this series, Hollywood. You will make a fortune! I'd pay just to see Angus turned into a cyborg and set loose upon the galaxy! Not only is this the most "visual" series of novel's I've ever read (with well-crafted scenes and characters), but it is also very intelligent. However, its intelligence is buried in a story with balls, so that your typical movie-goer won't be bored.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 12:01 a.m. CST

    But Asimov is cool, too.

    by Malik23

    I'm excited as hell about Foundation, too. I just remember the nightmare that was the Nightfall movie. However, I'm hopeful about this project. Adrian Brody . . . that was truly an inspired casting suggestion. This series does have enough excitement in it for a movie--it's just that the excitement lies in the problem-solving, puzzle aspect of it. This is perhaps the most exciting way to do an intellectual concept: turn it into a puzzle that people will try to figure out. Better yet: a puzzle with life or death stakes, with civilization itself in the balance. Solaris was boring because though it was intellectual, there was very little at stake and not a very intriguing problem to solve. Sure, it was interesting from a character/psychological standpoint, but that was all it offered. Matrix (which I love, I'm not bashing it) is at times too "philosophical" to be exciting, leaving the action to carry the movie. But Asimov's IDEAS are in themselves exciting and innovative enough to carry the movie so that lots of action won't be needed. And there is more than one "reveal," so that the whole project doesn't boil down to one big surprise, but rather a series of ever-increasing surprises and payoffs. Foundation can work. You don't have to change much of it. The time jumps will actually be more palatable in a movie because they'll move faster, getting to the really good stuff sooner. There are so many fascinating ideas contained within this series, it will have something for everyone.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 12:39 a.m. CST

    I want to fuck Jessica Biel in the ass so bad

    by super Cucaracha

    ooooooops, wrong talk back...and thus, George the 7th Chicken is one cool mofo!!!

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Make Niven Flix!!!

    by Wrecks

    I really do not even see the point in attempting to make films out of the foundation series. These read like theory and history...not very cinematic. On the other hand, Larry Niven has written and colaborated on several books that would translate amazingly to film: The Integral Trees and The Smoke Ring, The Legacy of Herot and Beowulf's Children, The Ringworld series... These are packed with cinematic action, horror, drama, suspense and humor... God I would fuckin' love to see a fully realized CG Grendel overheating with rage, or the vast expanse of the smoke ring filled with miles long trees and massive spherical lakes in full 70mm bliss....

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 1:43 a.m. CST

    by estwald

    I love the Foundation trilogy - have for over 10 years. And nothing would be cooler than seeing the trilogy get the full LOTR treatment. But let's be realistic, these will be difficult books to adapt to film. People have already pointed out some of the major hurdles: 1) every 50 pages the story jumps ahead a generation and we have to meet an entirely new cast of characters. 2) There isn't a single female character in the trilogy until over half way through. 3) The third book is called "Second Foundation". Let's see the suits at fox respect our intelligence enough to keep the title. But more generally, the studio is going to want action. Lots of big sci fi action. Stuff getting blowd up good. And taking an action movie approach to this story will kill it. Foundation is all about the futility of violence. It's about reasonable people triumphing over violent people. Over and over again, Foundation presents these warmongering antagonists who threaten to conquer the Foundation. And again and again the predictions of Hari Seldon kick in, some political or religious or economic force intervenes and the threat of war goes away. Some reviewer of the trilogy once pointed out that although Foundation does contain action and war, it's always offstage. It's never shown. The story is about dialogue and conversation. You could perform Foundation as a play on a stage. All I'm saying is, it's a minefield. With care and LOTR style love this could be a great movie trilogy. It also could be absolutely terrible. It could suck like nothing has sucked before. Harry, if you can get an early read on the script and it's garbage, could you blow the whistle like you did on Superman?

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 3:14 a.m. CST

    It bothers me.....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    ...too that they're skipping over the Hari Seldon prequel books which are a perfect bridge to the chronologically past books. Plus those books are full of action, adventure, romance, and a lot of other crap that a typical Hollywood film "needs" to have. Also, by skipping the Robot novels we miss out on the Elijah Baley murder mysteries which I would think would be perfect fair for film.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 3:48 a.m. CST

    more on THE FORGE OF GOD movie

    by human2

    http://www.gregbear.com/A55885/Bear.nsf/Pages/300071 .. From greg bear himself.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 6:26 a.m. CST

    The real news here is....

    by SoulOnIce

    that Y The Last Man is being made into a movie. Do yourself a foavour geeks and pick up the first 2 trades of this incredible series. I guarantee shock and awe.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Whatever happened to Childhood's End?

    by Wild At Heart

    That was being tossed around as an upcoming production. So what's the deal? Actually, I read the book only recently and was quite moved by it, particularly as I was imagining it working cinematically. Could be beautiful, if wrenchingly sad.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:45 a.m. CST

    I agree with Ball Toucher

    by Miami Mofo

    Actually, there are two additional Foundation books, 'Foundation's Edge' published in 1982 and 'Foundation and Earth' published in 1986. I've only read these two newer books once each -- when they were first released. They were somewhat of a disappointment when compared to the earlier works. In fact, I don't remember what happens in 'Foundation's Edge' at all. Anyone else remember? Maybe I'll give it a quick skim.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Childhood's End would work wonderfully on screen...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...but I hated the book intensely. Don't get me wrong -- it's an amazing book, but it gave me such a feeling of sadness and despair that I ended up hating it. I've read plenty of heart-wrenching books that I've loved, but something about Clarke's story disturbs me deeply. I can appreciate its merits -- a tremendous story and very well-written, so I'm completely aware that my aversion to it is purely personal. The truly odd thing about the book is that it seems to mostly provoke one of two reactions in people. The first one is the one I just described. The second response is the exact opposite -- a feeling of hope. Not too many books can cover that spectrum.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Foundation: Earth and Edge

    by Malik23

    I believe Foundation's Edge was a "prequel" that dealt with young Hari Seldon's adventures on Trantor. He was being chased from sector to sector, encountering many different cultures along the way, which provided the experiences and evidence he'd later need to form into the theory of psychohistory. But that could have been another book ... it's been over a decade since I've read these. Foundation and Earth was actually a very interesting debate between collectivism and individualism (while taking us on an archeological/astrological planet hunt!). I thought he handled both sides of the argument very well, giving the strong points of each view. This was not the book that linked robots to foundation. Robots were linked in vitue of the fact that Foundation arose from the same Empire which the robots had manipulated over the millennia. Has any one read Forward the Foundation? It was the last Foundation book ever written by Asimov, and one of his last books period. It ends with an image of Hari Seldon surveying his Plan by way of the holographic projection of the pure mathematical formula. Hari died looking at the future, at his own creation, at his own glimpse of the future. I like to think of this as an image of Asimov himself, and that he must have passed his last years looking over his vast creation, his own vast collection of predictive fiction that he knew would in part come true. The book is worth the read just for that.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Asimov's vast project

    by Malik23

    [Correction: I was thinking of Prelude to Foundation in my last post . . . I have no idea what Foundation's Edge is about.] Contrary to some of you here, I quite enjoy the fact that Asimov linked up over a dozen of his novels into one coherent view of the next 30,000 years! It doesn't really seem intentiona;, but rather organic and subconscious. There is an inevitability about it, as if he were mapping out different parts of one large vision at different points in his life. There's the robot stage, the Empire stage, and then the Foundation stage. I highly recommend reading them all straight through some time (around 16 books). Another good read is YOURS, IASAAC ASIMOV, a collection of some of his letters. In it you will get detailed personal accounts of his writing process. The man was truly a writing machine. He wrote virtually every day of his life for 10 hours straight at 90 words a minute with hardly no revisions! That's how you write over 500 books. His nonfiction is wonderful too. In case you can't tell, I a big fan.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 11:35 a.m. CST

    I'm so glad

    by Nareed

    I'm so glad the Good Doctor dind't live to see the raping and pillaging of his life's work.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Childhood's End

    by Mad_Radhu

    I also want to see Childhood's End as a movie. It actually works to the movie's favor that the opening scenes have been used as inspiration for V and ID4. This way, the audience comes in with certain expectations, only to have the rug pulled out from them. The biggest problem I see is getting the folks who make the trailers to not spoil the Overlords big reveal a third of the way through. The uninitiated must remain as unspoiled as possible for the maximum effect. Another book I'd love to see made into a movie is "The Stars My Destination." That one would be a lot of fun if you could find just the right actor to pull off Gully Foyle.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Foundation's Edge

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Edge follows the exploits of a Terminus/Foundation senator who goes searching for the supposedely extinct 2nd Foundation thought to have been destroyed in Second Foundation. The search also becomes a search for Earth and eventually they find a planet full of Mule-like beings who all are part of a world consciousness called Gaia. The 2nd Foundation iss ue gets solved and then in Foundation and Earth they go searching for Earth in earnest and travel to many of the planets featured in earlier books before finding Earth and a very old R. Daneel Olivaw still alive and living in the moon.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Edge and Earth were where Asimov pretty much destroyed everythin

    by HappiWerld111

    SPOILERS: In the end, the robots win. That's the final, rather disturbing coda to his story. In Foundation's Edge, he comes across a world called Gaia that has telepathically formed itself into a single vast organism; every individual person is linked in a collective mind with the mountains and the sea and the animals. The lead character is then forced to choose between three competing visions for the future: The Seldon Plan, a neo-Imperium similar to the last one, created by conquest, or Galaxia, a greater version of Gaia where every human is linked to every star and every bit of cosmic dust. He chooses Galaxia. In "Earth," we learn that the whole Gaia project was actually engineered by the ancient Robots from the Robot novels, who saw it as the safest and most secure environment for humans to exist. No conflict, no challenge, and ultimately, no evolution. Asimov left humanity on course for creating this monster, and seemed to think it was a good thing.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Galaxia vs. ???

    by Malik23

    So what would you choose? The Seldon Plan? A new Empire? As a Libertarian, I resist any form of POLITICAL collectivism. I'm extremely individualistic. However, Gaia is something different than a politically imposed collectivism in which a select few control the whole (which is really just individualism for a few, with slavery for the rest). Ideally, collectivism would be the best way for organisms to coexist. It is like the endpoint of biological evolution, in which all life becomes symbiotic and Darwinian competition ends. Some people have argued that Earth is already such an entity, and our attempts to resist this empirical fact results in the destruction of the environment, terrorism, war, depletion of resources, wiping out species, etc. It's an interesting idea. There's more than a grain of truth in it, because we ARE all interdependent upon one another, biologically, economically, socially, and politically. Collectivism is only tyrannical when it is imperfect--i.e. when it is controlled by a select few who abuse their power at the cost of the whole. But a TRUE organic/spiritual collectively conscious society would be Utopia, would it not? Granted, this might not be attainable, but then again, it might be exactly where our biological and social evolution is taking us. Just look at how our society is becoming global. How our consciousness is becoming linked up in this Web. How our economy is increasingly global. One might argue we are on our way.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Sure, they're great books...

    by Moonwatcher

    but will they be good cinema (or whatever the tv equivalent is)? It's been a long time since I read the original trilogy, but I don't remember very much in the way of action, so it's going to take a sure and confident hand to keep the audience's attention on this one. Asimov once admitted that, since his stories were more cerebral in nature, his villains usually weren't the equivalent of the Die Hard/Lethal Weapon variety, or even Saruman. Great stories? Without a doubt. Great watching? Maybe, if the audience will be patient. Oh, and by the way - GO CUBS!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:19 a.m. CST

    studios pay it safe

    by Messyjoe

    I think that Foundation was good sf but would not make for 'popular' movies. But studios are conditioned to pick projects based on books by "NAMES". Meanning authors with status. There are a number of very good sf books already mentioned in this feedback which are by less well known (to the general public and studios) authors, which would make much better movies. But most you'll never see. But Clarke, Bradbury, Asimov, etc. will get made, whether they should be or not. I'll put in my vote, as I have done before, for Alfred Bester's 'Tiger, Tiger' (or aka The Demolished Man.) And how about the Lensmen series?

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Foundation: Great Novels, Unlikely As Movies

    by Barron34

    Asimov wrote some great novels there, but the Foundation books are very much novels, and very much NOT films. The books are far too abstract for successful adaptation to film. The Foundation books are far from action-oriented, and would look much more like a Science-Fiction art house film like 2001 rather than a Star Wars-like film, which is obviously what the studio is after. Someone at Fox should have read the books (or at least got coverage on them) before they bought them. Foundation is hardly likely to become the next Star Wars or Lord of the Rings.

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Oh my sweet Lord!

    by film_editor17

    We've been waiting for this for a long, long time... Cate Blanchette as Bayta! Crispin Glover as the Mule! Ian McKellen as Seldon! Perfect! Perfect! Woah... stop twitching...