Review

KILL BILL VOLUME ONE review

Published at: Sept. 26, 2003, 6:02 p.m. CST

Black & White Close-Up of Uma’s bloody agonized and beaten face… She’s had the snot beaten out of her, she’s scared… scared in that way only a victim about to be murdered is. We hear the voice of David Carradine’s Bill consoling her, his hand with a handkerchief cleaning some of the snot and blood off her face. He’s coming to the end of his consolation, we hear an off camera cocking of a gun… This whole time, we’re on Uma… Her lip trembling… Her life, it’s about to be over. She utters a last minute phrase, that I will not repeat here, and the gun is fired and an explosion of black blood splatters behind her head…

The screen goes black and then we hear Nancy Sinatra sing over the opening titles:

I was five and he was six
We rode on horses made of sticks
He wore black and I wore white
He would always win the fight

Bang bang, he shot me down
Bang bang, I hit the ground
Bang bang, that awful sound
Bang bang, my baby shot me down.

Seasons came and changed the time
When I grew up, I called him mine
He would always laugh and say
“Remember when we used to play?”

Bang bang, I shot you down
Bang bang, you hit the ground
Bang bang, that awful sound
Bang bang, I used to shoot you down.

Music played and people sang
Just for me the church bells rang.

Now he’s gone, I don’t know why
And till this day, sometimes I cry
He didn’t even say goodbye
He didn’t take the time to lie.

A great song written by Sonny Bono. The effect of this opening sequence isn’t funny, isn’t cool, isn’t a warm fuzzy feeling of your favorite teddy bear. This is the key moment of the film. What follows isn’t going to be happy gleeful fare. Oh, that’s there if you’re in an audience that sees it. This film can hit you many different ways.

On that Friday night audience, you’re likely to cheer with the film, be electrified and energized. You’ll want to run out and buy a samurai sword and take on the nearest horde of Yakuza Kato-mask wearing sons of badasses and cleave them down the middle, at the ankle and leave them spurting.

HOWEVER…

On that Monday morning matinee, in an empty theater in January when you go to see this film on a fifth viewing by yourself, because someone canceled an appointment, or you had time to kill and you wanted to get “that KILL BILL vibe” going… you’re likely to find a wholly different film. That opening scene holds true throughout this film by yourself. This isn’t a happy movie of ass-kicking. It can be, but if you are alone, and I was sitting entirely by myself this morning -- sure there were about 40 some odd people behind me watching this film… a mixture of clappings, excitements and laughs permeated the room… but I was in my own world. There were moments where I clapped out of pure exhilaration, but in all… and in the end as I walked out that theater, I wasn’t talkative, I was contemplative. Why? Because I saw two fists of hurt on screen. The House of Blue Leaves sequence hit me entirely different than what I was expecting.

You see… When I read that first draft of KILL BILL, the same one that’s been online and available for download for going on a year now, I thought it was fantastic. Finally here was a film that was going to be a gigantic big ol fuck it all, let’s have fun and celebrate everything there is to love about the movies. It read like a roaring rampage of revenge… hell that was even a line of dialogue in the script… and even on one of the two trailers on the Soundtrack for KILL BILL, but ya know what? You know that opening Monologue… the one that I quoted on this site two days after September 11th in 2001? That ain’t in this movie, at least not in this volume, and I can’t imagine it is in the second, but then I didn’t imagine this film, Tarantino did. Anyway, when I read that draft, I had told Quentin that what I loved about the script was that here was a screenplay that felt like there were real characters trapped in the confines of the exploitation genre, forced to carry out the lives they’ve been written, but hating every moment.

When I heard the film was cut in two, I was terrified that the emotional counterbalance had been neutered and that this film was going to feel like a frog in a blender… puree ya know?

When I was on set, I felt that Uma, Sonny Chiba, David Carradine, Kenji Ohba and Julie Dreyfus were all texturing what they were doing with a layer of humanity that was… alarming. But still that was pieces, moments… I really hadn’t a clue how it would come together.

The way it cuts together, the way the music makes it flow… the way this thing breathes and walks and dances on that screen. This isn’t a duck press of Grindhouse filmmaking, that might have been the goal that Quentin was shooting for, but what got up on screen… the results of that “duck press” is something the likes of which we’ve never seen on screen before.

I know the films Quentin pulls inspiration from. I live and breath cult cinema. The money I’ve spent on my DVD and 16mm collection is truly absurd by anyone’s definition… except maybe Quentin’s. I am buying film constantly, watching it incessantly, thinking about it subconsciously – the way you breathe or pump blood to your limbs, that’s how I think about film. And I love it like that. It’s that precious to me. And thinking about KILL BILL after seeing it, I can honestly say that without a doubt there isn’t a moment I felt I’d seen before.

Here’s the thing.

The whistle tune that Darryl Hannah is sashaying to is Bernard Herrmann’s TWISTED NERVE theme… or was. Now, Quentin owns it. I intellectually know where it is from, and kudos to me, give me the Pink Elephant with the purple polka dots, but that theme now belongs to a one eyed blonde bitch in a hospital. And yeah, I know that she’s from both SWITCHBLADE SISTERS and THEY CALL HER ONE EYE. Once again, goody for me, big whup. That look is now owned by Darryl Hannah and this film. It isn’t that it erases those prior films… it simply surpasses all that it borrows from.

Why? How?

In the exact same way that RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK took the costume for Indiana Jones and the opening sequence from the character of Harry Steele and the film SECRET OF THE INCAS, along with dozens of moments and stunts from serials and b-westerns. Or how STAR WARS double-fistingly grabbed inspiration from Kurosawa, Joseph Campbell… oh and then all those damn Buster Crabbe serials. In the exact same way that the Wachowski’s looted Manga and Anime and Asian film to conjure up the MATRIX…

EXCEPT - and this is where Quentin grabs the triple crown of Cinematic Evolution from Spielberg, Lucas and the Wachowski’s… KILL BILL isn’t just exploitation film inspired… this is CINEMA, the whole… Everything from everywhere. The soundtrack, which is just a smidgen of the actual soundtrack, you’ll want Volume 2 of the Volume 1 soundtrack excruciatingly bad after you see this film…. That soundtrack representing the U.S., Europe, Latin America and Asia… that’s the flavor of the inspiration here. But here’s the thing…

Quentin completely gets what film is with this film. Every problem, every microbe of an issue that I’ve had with everything from MATRIX RELOADED to ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO to hell… the entire exploitation genre of Martial Arts films and Revenge flicks… Quentin gets right.

It’s something that I saw in SYMPATHY FOR MR VENGENCE that I had never really truly seen in a Western film of revenge… the sadness of revenge, the tragic nature of retribution. Now, this film doesn’t wallow in that, it doesn’t baste itself in seriousness, but it’s there. You can see it in Lucy’s apology, Uma’s sit in the snow, Vivica’s kitchen stare. There’s a very real sense of pain and regret in the actions of these people.

AT THE SAME TIME…

One of my top two favorite films of all time is Errol Flynn’s THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD, one of the things I just absolutely love with every fiber of my being is the glee, the joy, the sheer celebration of being able to physically be able to do the things that Flynn does in that film. It’s what I love about Gene Kelly or Fred Astaire… or Charles Chaplin or Jackie Chan at their best… it’s that sheer kinetic full body expression of DOING. Doing what they love, loving what they are doing. You know they know they are the fucking man. Ya know? That at that moment, when that camera was rolling, they knew… I’m the coolest person on the planet doing the coolest thing on the planet at this moment, and one day… everyone is going to know it. You can see that on Bruce Lee in every fight he ever fought on screen.

Uma has that here. Now you may think, well, she doesn’t really know how to sword fight… here’s a secret, neither did Errol Flynn. In fact, in that classic swordfight between Basil Rathbone and Errol Flynn… Rathbone would have skewered Flynn’s bloated liver the second that battle became real, but… FLYNN WAS THE MAN.

UMA IS THE MAN in this film. Sure, as Michael Parks puts it, Uma, “is a tall drink of cocksucker,” but nevertheless… SHE IS THE MAN! She owns every moment of this film she’s in that Sonny Chiba is not also in. Cuz, just for the record, Sonny Chiba is not just THE MAN, but THE MOLD from which they should all be cast.

KILL BILL VOLUME 1 is at it’s purest essence a complete celebration of all things I love most about film. It creates a universe that could only exist on film. It has the soundtrack you wish life pulsed to. It has characters you wish you could become. And breaks each and every rule 3 times in their most sensitive places.

OK… now that I got the basics out of the way, let’s talk about KILL BILL.

First off, Quentin dosed the MPAA. They had acid in their coffee the day they gave this film an R-rating, and god bless Lysergic Acid for giving them the vision to let this film grace American screens. Full, insane arterial sprays, bodies cut in two, mouth wounds, eye removal… and more and more and more. Of course they saw it with each other, and I’m sure they began to laugh, instead of seeing it alone each and realizing… JESUS… THE CARNAGE! But bless them all. The MPAA did the right thing and this film is going to stun you.

Hell, the Anime sequence alone would normally get a NC-17 I believe, but somehow… Somehow it got through, and it will knock the air out of you. What young O-Ren goes through… what she witnesses… How that got onto an American Movie screen, God bless the fates.

About the Anime sequence by Production IG, WOW. WOW. For Anime lovers, this sequence will be legend, as frankly it is one of the most affecting, haunting and tragic little origin stories I’ve ever seen. It also, stylistically makes sense to be Anime, simply because it isn’t events she witness, but rather… a story that the Bride tells us. As such, instead of it feeling like an odd choice or something that didn’t belong… it just rules. The sketchy nature of the animation, but then the way the blood sprays in Anime form is just beautiful. Technically the way blood happens in this film isn’t so much blood as some crazed crimson cinematic calligraphy upon that silver screen.

The fights… How are they?

Ok, first off, you are not prepared for how FAST these fights are.

FOR EXAMPLE… Vernita Green vs The Bride.

In the trailer, you can see how hard they are swinging the knives at one another, but the trailer has just a snippet… The second the Bride’s “I’m Going To Skull Fuck You” theme dies and she goes Kill Crazy… you see two people trying to KILL each other. This isn’t nice, this hurts. Hurts because they’re seemingly knocking the crap out of each other. The knife fight in full motion hurts, not in some “Girly” fight way, but in a trained edged weapon fight manner and with no intention of giving quarter. If you saw William Friedkin’s THE HUNTED – it’s that type of speed. Also, the sound design and sound effects creation for this film are just superb throughout. Every miss you hear as well as see, and the sounds, sound sharp and deadly.

This is never harder than in the Bride vs GoGo Yubari.

WOW! Just WOW! First off, Chiaki Kuriyama plays it to perfection. The part of the killer Japanese School Girl will forever be hers. The fight between her and Uma is legend. It hurts and is absolutely brutal. Watch Uma’s body fold around that ball when it impacts on her. You could almost see every last breath run screaming from her mouth. When she’s being strangled… DEAR GOD! The film wasn’t playing nice at all. At all. Sure the Ball & Chain was a helluvalot more than that. It’s was some fantastic hybrid of the classic Ball & Chain along with the MACE and the Flying Guillotine. I’ve never seen a battle quite like this one. I’m betting, neither have you. Again, the sounds are amazing, the impact sounds are crushing.

Bride vs The Crazy 88s and Johnny Mo.

On the trailer for THE LIGHTNING SWORDS OF DEATH – there was a narrator quote that went something like, “Then they threw an army at him, and he threw it back… a piece at a time.” Yeah. Mhm. EXACTLY! That’s exactly what happens here. I know you think you know what you’re going to see, because you’ve seen maybe 20 seconds out of the trailers… which have had all the blood covered up digitally, so it could be presentable for “All Audiences,” but I can tell you… YOU. Yes, YOU. Until you see this sequence, you don’t know why Quentin Tarantino is a goddamn master.

You watch CROUCHING TIGER HIDDEN DRAGON or MATRIX RELOADED or EQUILIBRIUM or BLADE or BLADE 2 or any of those TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES movies… and you get a pretty solid definition of what a Samurai Sword does. It knocks you out, unless you are fighting the ultimate bad guy, then it actually develops “edge” properties, which might be showcased for a single effect.

Remember why Light Sabers were cool? Remember when OB1 did that bar-room swish swish, then bloody arm on floor? Well, that’s a beginning.

Hattori Hanzo steel is the sword equivalent to a wallet that says Bad Mutherfucker. I can’t really explain it, you’ll just have to see the chapter entitled THE MAN FROM OKINAWA, and when you do… you may get it, no… really, you should get it. I’ve got a feeling that this section, the scenes with Uma, Sonny and Kenji Ohba will end up being their favorite scenes of the film. Though the purpose of this whole sequence is to define Uma’s sword. Finally we have a film that really lets go with the concept that Samurai Swords are not blunt instruments. And I like that. I like that plenty.

Like the heydays of Ogami Itto, when fighting an army, it is impressionistic and highlighted by the arterial sprays of the victims of his wrath. The HOUSE OF BLUE LEAVES mass battle is so long, that it takes on a couple of forms stylistically. Rather than remaining in a single palate, we watch Robert Richardson take over and create something beautiful. From the visual look of the battles of Chang Cheh to the stark black & white of the earlier Samurai films of folks like Kihachi Okamoto and Akira Kurosawa to the impressionistic stage like renderings we’ve seen from folks like Miike and Ryuhei Kitamura. All culminating in the Bride vs. O-Ren Ishii in the snow.

What sets this film miles apart from all that has come before is not just Robert Richardson’s stunning cinematography. Nor is it due to Tarantino and Yuen Woo-Ping’s choreography. Not just KNB’s exquisite destruction of many human forms. Nor is it just the dialogue and delivery by great actors. No. It’s the music. The music is the pulse of these scenes and watching samurai destruction to everything from Spaghetti Western score pieces to Latin – beats to well… the music for this film kills. It is vibrant and pulsing. It is the beat the editing follows, the emotion to the scenes, the fabric that is drenched red.

Now will everyone love this movie?

At my screening today, which was a press screening, there were about 45 people in attendance. The first 6 out the door apparently left immediately upon seeing the “Written & Directed By Quentin Tarantino” credit… thus they missed seeing a very significant epilogue, probably wouldn’t matter… I found out those 6 people HATED the film. The remaining 39 stayed till the film ran out and the lights came up and apparently, to the one, they LOVED it. I was the last one out, and as a matter of record, the first in.

What can I say to explain those 6 people? I don’t know. I haven’t talked to them. I’ve got a negative review that just came in while I was composing mine, and for the life of me, I haven’t a clue what he’s talking about.

I know that no film is loved by everyone. Some critics hated THE WILD BUNCH, STAR WARS, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, RAGING BULL, TAXI DRIVER, THE EXORCIST, JAWS and other classic films. Even more critics hated ROLLING THUNDER, the Martial Arts films, Spaghetti Westerns, Samurai films and Grindhouse Gore. I have no way to explain those critics, who are in what I can only imagine, are in a walking coma, unable to partake in the sensation of greatness inherent to both types of movies. I simply mourn them. Personally, I feel KILL BILL can be mentioned in both lists… It is drenched in the drippings from Grindhouse film squeezed out of that Duck Press of Quentin’s brain, but this film is that Grade A Steak, that was just marinated in that saucy goodness. It is a classic.

Do not leave till you see the epilogue, if you have to use the restroom. I’m serious, this isn’t just some “trailer” this is a SIGNIFICANT part of the film, that changes everything.

Readers Talkback

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  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:15 p.m. CST

    The True definition of KICK ASS

    by Pedadolfo

    Man oh man, i'm so dying to see this ass-kicking fullbody-cuttin head-decaptating movie that i'm about to loose it! And to make things worst, i'm from Brazil and the Sons and Daughters of Bitch from the destribution are making a late late premiere here, JANUARY!!! Almost when the Vol. 2 is premiering on US!! Damn...

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Mantenna is FIRST!

    by Mantenna

    nuff said!

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:17 p.m. CST

    another good use of BANG-BANG...

    by no-no

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Shite, Mantenna was not first, but...

    by Mantenna

    Mantenna has seen Bill Kill too and thinks it stinks, cause David 'Anti-Asswhupper' Carradine just could not convince Mantenna. Beatty would have been so much better!

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:20 p.m. CST

    another good use of BANG-BANG...

    by no-no

    ... in Francois Ozon short: "a summer dress". The whole short is based on that song (sang in french by Sheila). A sweet movie about two friends who become boyfriends.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:28 p.m. CST

    It's Nice to Know

    by Jervis Tetch

    That a mere two years and two weeks after 3,000 Americans were savagely and brutally murdered in NYC and Washington DC, America is back in love with full-tilt gore at the movies. Two women fight to the death with blades in front of one's 4-year old daughter. That's entertainment! Hey, I loved "The Wild Bunch," but it does seem like reality has caught up to fantasy rather nicely in the past few years. I'm not saying this movie shouldn't be made, or seen, but it sure does seem like QT's timing is way off this time. The world changed since 2001, Quentin. I think we're all about to find out how much. Or am I wrong? P.S. You should have heard the neat "swish" and "splat" sounds those bodies made high-diving off the Twin Towers. And you should have SEEN the arterial spray! Grooovy!

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Gosh, Harry - We'd Never Know You Were Actually On-Set While Thi

    by hipcheck13

    ...maybe that's why you're so pissed at "The Matrix?" Seriously, although there's some aspects to this site I love, Harry's opinion can certainly be bought - and this movie is no exception. Harry's so interested in being "a real player" that he's lost all interest in becoming neutral and even-handed ("Godzilla" and "Armageddon" being two blatent examples). Harry, if you consider yourself a reviewer, you should try to be more neutral about these pictures rather than buddy-buddying up with all the filmmakers while they're making the thing. "Cabin Fever" was awful but YOU lauded it as the second coming of horror - why? Seems like you and Eli are chums, right? You've been praising "Kill Bill" since - well, since you took the trip to QT's set last year? C'mon. I'm waiting for you to review McWeenie's "Universal Soldier 8" (or whatever it is) so you can call it "the best of the worst!" or something. Your love of film is obvious and your knowledge considerable, but it's hard to take your reviews seriously when you're cozying up to the filmmakers every chance you get.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:40 p.m. CST

    But Jervis, violence IS the answer.

    by FluffyUnbound

    The cool thing about QT is that he knows this. Think I'm wrong? Tough. There is a reason the heart cries out for revenge. There is a reason we want Bill to get Killed. We're hardwired for it. We should have shot the whole Afghanistan event on 35mm and called it Kill Osama. He got away, but that's not the point. Aristotle was close, but did not quite get the cigar. We love gore not because of the catharsis of fear and pity. We love gore because the lizard brain left over in us doesn't really get a fair shake any more, and wants to be entertained once in a while. OK, we could dance around and fire AK-47's into the air when our enemies suffer, but that just wouldn't be our style. We like to laugh until we lose some spittle while we watch Uma gut some bitch with a sword. Her quest is our quest. We are the children of the world, and we want peace.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Silent Devils: Violence Equals Peace

    by sexyfanboy

    First time poster, long time fan. Violence is the answer, although it can be a hard one to stomach. Just like in Silent Devils: Violence Equals Peace Kill Bill will likely reveal this truth.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:49 p.m. CST

    violence is the answer?

    by no-no

    to what question? Go see Dogville, Lars von Trier's movie is all about revenge beeing the answer that puts human kind in eternal shit.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:49 p.m. CST

    is this surprising??

    by ZO

    no one saw this review coming

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:52 p.m. CST

    please let Harry's review be correct

    by eraser_x

    I hope a movie of the quality Harry describes really exists! Please don't this review end up causing another Blade II/Armageddon (sp?) disappointment. It would be so cool if Kill Bill is really that good.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Christ, Jarvis Tetch

    by RawShark

    Yes, September the eleventh was the worst Terrorist attack in history but that's ALL it was. Nothing so special about people killing people that's worth stopping violent films, genius.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:54 p.m. CST

    "This movie will re-define cinema and become the most talked abo

    by Doom II

    More biased reviews. I am looking forward to this film even though Dimension Films didn't fly me out to China (Harry) and give me back rubs and blowjobs on set. I doubt it will live up to this kind of hype. I will never forget Harry's review of Blade 2. He compared it to a warm vagina and gushed on and on about how perfect it was. I enjoyed it, but still found Blade 1 better. Hell, I liked Underworld better than Blade 2. Sometimes I think a film is best reviewed a few days after seeing it. It allows the reviewer to think about it for a while and gather his thoughts. These "Best movie ever made!" comments get old fast.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:55 p.m. CST

    by Tress

    I saw

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Jervis...

    by Lobanhaki

    People quote the violence breeds violence line often, without considering that it can work both ways. That is, that a society like ours, attacked, exposed to violence and unrest, and watching as the horror and the spectacle of war are unleashed, might not become more violent, or at least desire meatier, less sanitary violence than what was previously permitted. What 9/11 put an end to was movies like TRUE LIES and DIE HARD, movies in which terrorists provided cannon fodder for action extravaganzas. Action was steered towards fantasy, towards martial arts, superheroes, and other kinds of heightened or alternate reality. Kill Bill, with it's exploitation, world-of-its-own martial arts revenge sensibilities falls well within those bounds. I don't think that the average person would accept the argument that such violence denigrates the 9/11 tragedy. Rather, I think in most of their minds, they want to be the superpowerful, supercapable, mythic heroes that show up in these kinds of movies. They want to be the person who can defend civilization, who can defeat a cadre of assassins, and who can manifest the kind of superhuman powers we wished we had on that tragic day. Where once we desired these things out of fear, now we do so out of grief for that one powerless moment. Of course, these kinds of impulses can have their negative consequences, but I don't think you're going to get anywhere telling people that these impulses don't have a legitimate motivation.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Some thoughts...

    by Darth Thoth

    I don't know what to think. I definitely think this movie will be great. And the review was definitely well written. Good work Harry. Yet, I agree a lot with what hipcheck13 mentioned. The review did sound a little contrived. It sounded like a review I would write about a movie my best friend made. Meaning the film could suck but I would praise it like it was the greatest film ever. Bottom line is that this IS Harry's site and he can do what HE wants. Yet more so than just being a platform from which Harry can preach from, I've always looked at AICN as a forum where ideas about film were shared by everyone on relative equal par and each movie was analyzed without preference to the filmmaker. Maybe I'm just off. I don't doubt for one minute this movie will rock. And I trust Harry and his opinions. The review was great. It just sounded a little contrived, that's all. It could just be me jealous that I've yet to see Kill Bill myself. I don't know. We'll see. Keep up the good work Harry and thanks for the site. Peace.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 7:17 p.m. CST

    After experiencing this majestic review, I am now convinced that

    by Uncle Sam

    I mean, seriously, Quentin Tarantino should have directed the big-screen rendition of the Illiad. Achilles is my all-time favorite character, historical, mythological or otherwise, he absolutely personnified vengeance, blood lust, passion, love, hate, perfection, virility, EVERYTHING fundamentally primitive, barbaric and undeniably HUMAN. He feasted upon the hearts of his fallen enemies, he found joy only upon the battlefield of the bronze age, he was virtually invulnerable, the blades and arrows of entire armies shattered upon his immaculate skin, he hunted with the wolves, he loved the most beautiful women to have ever graced the Earth, he FOREVER CHANGED THE WORLD, and all of this before age 25, when he actually MADE THE CHOICE to "leave while he was on top" and allow for Thanatos' scythe to part his soul from his body when he decided that his time had come. I love that man, even though he's probably fictional, and I think that he deserved much better than some lame-ass Warner Bros flick diected by Wolfgang "I haven't done anything worthwhile in an eternity" Peterson. Tarantino would have done Achilles honor without a shadow of a doubt.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 7:17 p.m. CST

    After experiencing this majestic review, I am now convinced that

    by Uncle Sam

    I mean, seriously, Quentin Tarantino should have directed the big-screen rendition of the Illiad. Achilles is my all-time favorite character, historical, mythological or otherwise, he absolutely personnified vengeance, blood lust, passion, love, hate, perfection, virility, EVERYTHING fundamentally primitive, barbaric and undeniably HUMAN. He feasted upon the hearts of his fallen enemies, he found joy only upon the battlefield of the bronze age, he was virtually invulnerable, the blades and arrows of entire armies shattered upon his immaculate skin, he hunted with the wolves, he loved the most beautiful women to have ever graced the Earth, he FOREVER CHANGED THE WORLD, and all of this before age 25, when he actually MADE THE CHOICE to "leave while he was on top" and allow for Thanatos' scythe to part his soul from his body when he decided that his time had come. I love that man, even though he's probably fictional, and I think that he deserved much better than some lame-ass Warner Bros flick diected by Wolfgang "I haven't done anything worthwhile in an eternity" Peterson. Tarantino would have done Achilles honor without a shadow of a doubt.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 7:28 p.m. CST

    I Know A Plant When I See One!

    by pencil-man

    Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit. I don't believe a word Harvy says, I'll just have To Watch It My Self !!!

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 7:32 p.m. CST

    jervis talking crap

    by ali-farhan

    you're talking about how QT shouldn't have made kill bill so soon after 9/11. then why did the US invade and kill in Iraq so soon after 9/11. why have there been so many war films being made in hollywood after the US decided to drop atomic bombs on defenceless cities in Japan - why did Pearl Habour get made - why don't Hollywood make a film about Hiroshima???? you talk about how the world has changed after 9/11 - in what way has the world changed? the world should've change after the first atomic bomb was dropped???

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill

    by astralan

    Nancy Senatra Singing a Sonny And Cher song?????????? That is going to be one of the biggest hangups for me to see this flick now!!!!

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Hey guys!

    by Savage Jimmy

    Why the fuck are you guys arguing about 9-11? I honestly, truly don't see how Kill Bill has the slightest thing to do with that. I'm going to watch Kill Bill and if I don't fully enjoy it because I'm too busy thinking about 9-11, I'm really going to be pissed.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 7:45 p.m. CST

    DONKNOTTS...

    by raw_bean

    You tit.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 8:04 p.m. CST

    The truth is, most of the mainstream will think this is a Charli

    by Terry_1978

    From the trailers alone, quite a few of the kiddies will be dying to check this out...I'm just waiting for some shocked parents to drag their brats out once the limbs begin to fly.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 8:05 p.m. CST

    This movie would be better if...

    by BuLLeT_TiMe

    ...Jack Wilson from "Shane" was put in place of Bill. He wouldn't even need a sword. He'd beat up Uma with a phone book and win. Then he'd step on some puppies and fuck Uma's dead grandmother......... Wilson could stand there drinking a tin cup of water, flash her an evil grin and Uma would have an anyurism and she'd shit herself...and piss herself.................................................................................................Oh and DONKNOTTS. You rule. Too bad that point has been brought up so much it's a cliche. Sure, it's true as true can be. But why bother? It's like screaming "GRAVITY MAKES THINGS FALL!!!" Keep the faith, man.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Was It Something I Said?

    by Jervis Tetch

    Before the shit comes down on me any harder, I better define my terms. (1) I LOVE violent movies. My favorites include The Wild Bunch, The Godfather, Dirty Harry, Pulp Fiction, Psycho, Scarface. Nothing's more fun than a good action scene, the more blood the better. I'll be first in line to see "Kill Bill," day one. (2) Violence-wise, American movies are P-whipped nowadays, compared to the hard-R 70's. Try 71-72 some time: Clockwork Orange, Straw Dogs, Dirty Harry, French Connection, Deliverance ("Squeal like a piggy"), Frenzy (Hitchcock does a rape-strangling that makes "Psycho" look tame),and all the Blaxploitation cock-off-chopping and Kung Fu heart-out-of-chest-ripping you can take. Those were the days, and they're gone. BUT what I'm saying is: "Kill Bill" sounds like its the first mainstream film since 9/11 to really try to return to that kind of hard-core gore (if stylized), and I''m just saying that the conventional wisdom, after 9/11, that audiences would have no stomach for such horrific violence in movies ever again is about to be tested. I'm figuring QT knows this; he made "Kill Bill" cheap and will re-coup on a two-part admissions policy. But I also figure that, indeed, the memory of 9/11 will now overshadow ANY attempt by Hollywood to make the violent flicks of yesteryear. And now, if you will excuse me, I've got to go get my rocks off watching my favorite scene: Bill Holden and Ernie Borgnine going down in the most exciting bath-o-blood ever filmed, the climax of "The Wild Bunch," by Sam ("if I were alive, I'd call Tarantino a pansy and drink him under the table") Peckinpah.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 8:49 p.m. CST

    perhaps, Jervis, but....

    by XTheCrovvX

    ....America sure as hell flocked to see Jason and Freddy slice the everloving shit out of each other....the same way we also flocked to see Will Smith and Martin Lawrence get barraged by corpses for 20 minutes and laugh about it....not that I'm using that as a gauge for the assorted mayhem Quentin's got in store for us....but believe me, in terms of violence, I think we're beyond ready to indulge our inner lizards again.....now, MY big gauge of whether we're over 9-11 yet or not will be when a director finally gathers grapefruits big enough to film another movie in which New York, or important parts of New York, get annihilated beyond belief. THAT, I still havent seen. Hell, I've heard hardened film fanatics still say they get minor chills watching the big destruction sequence in Independence Day after 9-11. Then, and only then will we see just how level we are with what happened. Revolution(s) is my name....

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 9:05 p.m. CST

    "real characters trapped in the ... the exploitation genre"

    by blondeman

    "Anyway, when I read that draft, I had told Quentin that what I loved about the script was that here was a screenplay that felt like there were real characters trapped in the confines of the exploitation genre, forced to carry out the lives they

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 9:13 p.m. CST

    HOLY SHITT !!!!! I DONT THINK I'M GONNA MAKE ITTT!!!!!!!

    by braine

    KILL BILL THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS RETURN OF THE KING

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Once again, Harry posits himself as being somehow more enlighten

    by Mosquito March

    Fuck that, Harold. Some of the stuff you like is just bad, and says more about your level of taste than those around you.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 9:40 p.m. CST

    TELL ME!

    by Akira4EVER

    Which movies did Tarantino rip off for KILL BILL? I heard FLYING GUILOTINE was one of them! I know he ripped off RESERVOIR DOGS from CITY ON FIRE. You got to love HARRY'S FLUFF REVIEWS for his friends! QUENTIN throws some scraps and he bites! I LOVED his FLUFF for CABIN FEVER which SUCKKKED !@!@!@!

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 9:42 p.m. CST

    THE SCRIPT!@!

    by Akira4EVER

    HARRY THOUGHT THE SCRIPT ROCKED!! IT WAS HORRIBLE IT SUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Yes Harry, but did your nephew like it?

    by Kanyn22

    I'll wait for his reaction. If he starts sleeping under Kill Bill sheets I'm in!

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Hey, DONKNOTTS-

    by Stan the Bat

    -your post made me laugh so hard I cried. Oh, and as far as today's Bonus Question- 'Have the tragic events of 9-11 molded a New, Thoughtful American who would prefer to see a dramatization of the life of Albert Schweitzer on PBS, rather than watching America's Funniest Home Flaming Decapitations every night on Fox?' -the answer is 'No'.

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 10:17 p.m. CST

    DONKNOTTS go back to Mayberry!!!!

    by Orange Brat

    Ain't Bee is a-lookin' for her crack pipe!!!

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Did anyone else picture Harry doing a gay little clap and saying

    by SexyBeast

    When he was talking about clapping with exhiliration?

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 11:43 p.m. CST

    "Hattori Hanzo steel is the sword equivalent to a wallet that sa

    by Sgt. Black

    Gotta love that. Seriously... no fan is ever gonna be "unbiased".

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Narcissistic Personality Disorder

    by Junior Frenger

    A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following: 1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) 2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love 3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) 4. Requires excessive admiration 5. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations 6. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends 7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others 8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her 9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes ...does this sound like anyone we know?

  • Sept. 26, 2003, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Hope that your right Harry

    by AlwaysThere

    Because it doesnt look the commercials and trailer havent been rocking my boat.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 12:07 a.m. CST

    WOW! A gushing review of Tarantino's "greatness" on AICN? Unhe

    by MyNameDoesn'tFit

    It might be an okay movie, Harry (though from what I've seen, I'm duly unimpressed), but at the end you make it sound like it's one of the best movies of all time and that's stupid. Take out every other point about it, and you still end up with the fact that no movie starring Rucy Roo (or Old Lazy Eye) will ever be one of the best of all time.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Whats w/ this site and Kill Bill

    by Bong

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 12:35 a.m. CST

    That was fucking awesome.

    by Archduke_Chocula

    I was clicking on aicn seeing if I was unbanned from the chat room (wasn't, nuts i'm bored :( ) and I see this, sweet fucking christ, it's been all kill-bill today, that and the Revolutions trailer, but no I listened to some new tracks from KB on the official site and read this, holy shit, great review, and the movie should be fucking awesome. Oh yeah and i'm still waiting for "Neil Cumpstons mad mofo movie guide" to be made.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 2:04 a.m. CST

    pretty cool

    by ethan vestby

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Chisuga rules all!!

    by Cash Bailey

    I'd watch this move just to watch her swing that fucking spiked ball.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 2:16 a.m. CST

    alliteration

    by Anomaly

    "crazed crimson calligraphy" that is quite a solid description there Harry. Kill Bill - 10/10/03, Matrix Revolutions - 11/05/03, Return of the King - 12/17/03.........just try not to die before the end of the year!

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 2:52 a.m. CST

    I don't need a gushing review from Harry to salivate over this f

    by jules windex

    I'm sure it's gonna kill every other film out there, at least until ROTK.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 2:56 a.m. CST

    holy hell, I just read Harry's Blade 2 review.....

    by magyarman

    I can't believe that he honestly wrote that. I am in shock. I definitely can't question Harry's love of movies, or his extensive knowledge of movies, but I'm starting to wonder about his effectiveness as a movie critic. I mean, I saw Blade 2 and it was entertaining, but this "eating out a pussy" analogy? Are you fucking kidding me???

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Cinema

    by django_1

    FluffyUnbound, I want to have sex with you! Very intelligent reasoning of the full brained human. Love your poetry. Intelligence is sexy :-) DONKNOTTS, you are trolling the bottom for ideas. Junior Frenger, you get a A for "Freudian/Jung Psychobabble For Dummies'" Now, "go home to your mother!" As for "Kill Bill," I am hyped, I am amped, and Harry's review is just the cherry on top! The absolute first movie I saw on the big screen was "Django"; I was 7 yrs old. I love CINEMA! Quentin Tarantino gives good cinema. Oh, and "Citizen Kane" is my No.1 film of all times :-)

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Bootleg trailers

    by Mumbleboy

    I just found a working link for the bootleg trailers. They are on Movebox.com. What a great year for a geek like us(?), 2 matrix films, final lord of the rings, kill bill, school of rock. I have no complaints about the quality of movies, either. Even the bombs had some positives... even the Hulk had some huge battles. Too many talkbackers seem to never be happy. I am just so happy that I get action films like these rather than Commando, or Rambo 2, or Time cop. And finally, CG did NOT ruin the movies. It did change the movies though. We can so easily trasfer from live action to CG to animation, and it's all done to best tell the story. KB may have very few CG shots, but M:Revo's CG shots are massive and could not have been done any other way. I love that these newer film makers have these tools at their disposal. Great year indeed.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Exquisite destruction of many human forms?

    by Redbox

    I love QT because he never uses violence as Drama, sure he uses apprehension as drama, but not the actual act. It is portrayed as cold and anti-climatic. I would love to love this film, but I'm not hearing about words, only violence- what Tarantino does best is create conversations between characters. Ears cut off in Reservoir Dogs, guns going off in back seats in Pulp Fiction and Deniro capp'n Fonda in Jackie Brown. All memorable, all brutal, all amazing and all off screen. He could take an old Kojak episode and make it gut wrenching and real, just by taking out justification and heroic rationalization. He allows the victims to plead and grovel, to hold close to life and then lose it. He reverses the trends of decades of commercialized violence by making life a worthwhile commodity, then he spends it. He effects us because his violence is unexpected and unrepentant. I will sit thru gore if it is Art, but if Harry can only talk about the gore and the "Exquisite destruction of many human forms", then maybe some of us are so in love with seeing people destroyed that we should be sent to replenish our armed forces and let some of those tired soldiers come home. Everywhere I look right now people are trying to equate Horror films to great intellectual art. Or war films are touted as being extremely realistic and "just like it was!" I understand quests for reality in story telling, but I don't need to see a hundred body fragments flying at me. I think we have all seen more than our share of this shit. I'm sick of gore. If you've every really been in a real fight, fought with the possibility that the other person might kill you, you either learn to compartmentalize that part of yourself that is ready with nothing to lose, or you become sociopathic and end up dead or in prison. I don't need to be tapped into primal fear and I don't enjoy being whipped up into a bloodlust. Still I may hate Jason movies, but I loved, "Silence of the Lambs", "The Seven Beauties", "The Wild Bunch", Bruce Lee, "True Romance", and all three of QT's earlier films. I was so happy that "Jackie Brown" was subtle and Robert Forester is the Man. QT did't try to out Pulp, Pulp Fiction. I'm terribly afraid that "Jackie Brown"'s lack of success has sent him in the other direction. I miss Hunny Bunny and tense conversations in the threat of violence. Cheers!

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Uma

    by Miworld777

    In the clips I have seen, does Uma look stiff. Not like a fighter. Why not have someone who can fight and act. But I will watch the film I know I will always see stiff Uma. Shame he couldn't have tried someone new.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Stick it to Mirimax

    by captaininsano

    Go see this movie, but if you are at a multiplex, purchase a ticket for another movie instead, then slip into the Kill Bill theatre. Mirimax must learn they cannot screw the public splitting 1 regular movie into 2 just as a cash grab.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Bought the Soundtrack...

    by LANDO

    ... and that alone has me dying to see this. Battle Without Honor or Humanity is an incredible instrumental!

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Chiaki Kuriyama

    by WizardX

    I thought she looked familiar in the trailer, so I looked her up. (thanks to Harry for her name) She was Chigusa on Battle Royale - that is the scary psycho black widow girl. ... You KNOW it's not coincidence.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Chigusa wasn't the black widow girl.

    by Black Caeser

    She was the ball stabbing girl who's last words before dying were "You look really cool." MITSKO was the evil crazy black widow girl who slashes the one girl's throat with a cycle. Does anybody know what Mitsko's real name is?

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 11:25 a.m. CST

    after three piddling films, Tarantino will unveil his magnum opu

    by Fuck You Moses

    I was bored to tears with Tarantino's first three films, dealing with such shallow themes as corruption and redemption, hope and betrayal. It's refreshing to see that "QT" has matured enough as a filmmaker to base "Kill Bill" on truly universal foundations that will render it a timeless classic: killing people, revenge, and looking cool.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill is no Wild Bunch, Raiders, etc.

    by ewem

    THE WILD BUNCH, STAR WARS, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, RAGING BULL, TAXI DRIVER, THE EXORCIST, JAWS C'mon Harry...All Tarantino does is make A grade smut films. His films aren't classics like what you named here. Get real. Then we have people try to champion smut as art. That's all he is, a smut film producer.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 11:54 a.m. CST

    WIN THE SOUNDTRACK!!!

    by TarantinoWebsite

    you can win the soundtrack in the Kill Bill Volume 1 Soundtrack sweepstakes at www.tarantino.info

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Blade II...

    by Darth Thoth

    R-O-C-K-E-D! Sure, it wasn't the greatest film ever but it wasn't supposed to be. It was an excellent film, made to be cool and please fandom. And it succeeded on all levels. It was one big adrenaline rush rollercoaster ride. Period. All so-called geeks should be appreciative of a movie like Blade II and thank del Toro, Snipes, Goyer, and company.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Uma ain't got booty no mo'

    by Trik

    Uma's butt is looking kinda saggy. In the scene where shes fighting the black chick and they both stop fighting and hide the knives behind their backs when the kid gets home. Those were 2 sorry sorry looking butts. Looked like a couple half filled jiggly sagging water balloons I guess everyone get old =\

  • Fingers crossed

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 2:30 p.m. CST

    No love for the haters

    by Mechakong

    Why do some of you even come to this site? Sure bash on Harry all you want for taking the invitation to the set. Seethe in your smug jealousy all you want, as if any one of you wouldn't go so fast it would leave a sonic boom like the Flash about to stomp a mudhole in Mirror Master. I come to this site beacuse I really love movies, it's my job and my passion, and I also come here for the hilariously trite nihlism. I had zero expectations going into The Rundown, and well surprise surprise, it turned out to be pretty entertaining. Good for me, I didn't have suffer like I did through Bad Boys, or be completly deflated like I was after seeing LXG, which I had misplaced a tremendous amount of hope in. Why bother even leaving the basement if you already know everything about a movie from the trailer? In the case of Kill Bill you don't know shit, and those of you who really love the movies, who live and bleed cinema of every type and size, are going to be blown out of the multiplex. I've never met QT, I have no personal interest in his sucess, I have no agenda to push. This is a great flick, and it's everything I love movies for.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Geez, thankfully Harry isn't prone to hyperbole

    by Tall_Boy

    oh, wait, yes he is.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Walter Hill

    by dr. robert

    It's a real shame someone like Walter Hill didn't receive this level of oral gratification when he was at his peak. Does Q.T even acknowledge the influence of Hill in his work?

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Who cares about the film? Kill your friends!

    by Jog Lola Jog

    http://www.deadlyviperdispatch.com Best online movie tie-in EVER.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 4:09 p.m. CST

    People are obviously being hoodwinked by the trailer.

    by PumpyMcAss

    By making it look like Charlie's Angels they are hopefully getting a much wider audience. But they are also alienating people who expect something more hardcore from QT by making the film not look so . . . hardcore. Like some of my buddies thought it looked too cute-sy to be worth their time but I'm referring them to this review to be sure. Hopefully the strategy will pay off.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 4:14 p.m. CST

    god forbid

    by thepetemeister

    How come nobody jumped down Harry's throat the way they jumped down mine for comparing KB to Star Wars? Is it so unthinkable that it might still be possible for a movie to generate this much enthusiasm? Or have all of you people just resigned yourselves to thinking that no more great, "classic" films (as Harry put it) are ever going to be made? - pete "alvy singer" kavadlo

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 4:21 p.m. CST

    It seems like a "cool" thing to do to talk bad about a film that

    by Alcamaeon

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 4:43 p.m. CST

    in regards to Walter Hill

    by W Burk

    Dr. Robert, the answer to your question is yes. In an interview somewhere (it might have been in one of the Projections books edited by John Boorman) Quentin talked about Walter Hill and said that they were both very similar except - if I remember correctly - that Hill was serious about male machismo while Quentin used it for humor. So, yeah. He's acknowledged it.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Harry Does Tarantino volume 1000

    by super Cucaracha

    Pretty much everyday Harry writes an article about Kill Bill. It would NOT surprise me that we'll get another one tomorrow. I know that this is his site and can do what the hell he wants, but this is ridiculous. Kill Bill is being hyped too much and we will expect the best shit ever. I just hope we don't get dissapointed after all that hype... just like Reloaded.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Harry Does Tarantino volume 1001

    by super Cucaracha

    Imagine the number of times that Harry will write about volume 2.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 5:45 p.m. CST

    3 SIMPLE RULES

    by ZuZuPetals

    *A person reads a short, quick, summed up review with a simple grade (like the ones in EW that have 8 or 9 people expressing their reviews with a simple grade) then that person wants to know whether or not to waste time with the movie...*A person reads a full blown, no-holds-barred, spoiler-filled, review AFTER seeing the movie then they want to know what others thought of it... *But a person reads a full blown, spoiler filled, no-holds-barred review BEFORE seeing the movie then they want to know what they should be thinking because they can't think for themselves.... As for reviewers who don't give a quick summary or a rating system and force you to dig through their full blown, no-holds-barred review... they have an agenda and a case of the "Look at me" syndrome and should be disregarded.

  • Sept. 27, 2003, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Geez Harry, I could hardly read the article with all your jizz o

    by Rolling_Stone

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 12:13 a.m. CST

    I JUST SAW BUBBA HO-TEP!!!

    by Rcamacho2278

    So kill bill is everything that harry likes about movies...He saw everything done right in kill bill that was done wrong in other movies. He saw in kill bill what he loves about movies. buncha horse shit if you ask me. btw I saw bubba ho-tep, that was a nice little movie.

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 12:43 a.m. CST

    How long is Volume I?

    by Archduke_Chocula

    90 min or 2 hours? I hear contradictory reports.....

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Monotone

    by mrpeebles

    Is nice the movie! KIll Bill is being the movie we are to seeing. I am liking the Harry Knowles, but I am not the confused about the man who is the one who is the fat who is the dead who is the blood who is the key.

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Here I sit...

    by MPJedi2

    And again I contemplate why studios and producers will always look to sites like this as indicators of where and how they can make money. Not, mind you, where quality is touted. Look at this review! Violence! Blood! What swords really do to the human body! Plot? Character? Emotion? Only in the service of _greater carnage!_ Where is the probing dialogue and characterization that made QT a star? Lost in a quagmire of refrences to other movies and hollow spectacle. And Harry sits on his throne, pitching for his buddies. Here's a good rule of thumb, if Harry A)considers the filmmakes "friends" or B)he got to visit the set, immediately strike 50% from what you read in the review. BLADE II was passable, SPY KIDS was basically lame, ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO fun, but muddled. And KILL BILL? I'm betting not as big an abortion as MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, but we'll all be sitting there on opening night thinking, "That's it?" Meanwhile, Harry will get the first box of KILL BILL action figures from QT for propping up the opening weekend. Just wait until next Spring, when _every other story_ will be about that bomb-in-the-offing HELLBOY. Didn't we learn anything from THE ROCKETEER and THE PHANTOM?

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 2:03 a.m. CST

    All of you Kill Bill haters depress me

    by Blacklist

    I really can't begin to understand you people. I've been having a blast digging up any and every movie Quentin mentions in discussions about Kill Bill. I've just finished with 5 Fingers of Death and Street Fighter and have just checked out Death Rides a Horse with the almighty Lee Van Cleef. I've practically worn out my copy of Master of the Flying Guillotine. I'm anticipating Kill Bill more than I have any other movie probably since Episode 1 and I have complete faith that Tarantino will deliver. The early reviews seem to all reflect a sort of orgasmic geek joy, which certainly can't be a bad thing. You people insisting it's 'just a chop-socky flick' what's with you? You think QT, first and foremost a writer, will put the script on the backburner? Check out Pulp Fiction again if you need reassurance. Or better yet, read the freaking script online. I'm guessing most of you are just bottled up high school post-CGI nerds. Nerds with nothing better to do than trash the great movies of old while whining about the lack of coverage for Once Upon a Time in Mexico or Underworld. And Harry, please disignate a talkback for the Kill Bill fans to discuss freely, away from the overwhelming bitching and moaning of said heretics. Maybe deceptively call the thread: Restored Magnificent Ambersons Print!! Double feat. college tour w/Lady From Shanghai!!!

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Walter Hill makes actually solid films with speed, power and con

    by watashiwadare

    --what the world of 30 year old juveniles don't want, a career track record of pics that examine and explicate and interrogate racial schisms in America. Clearly uncool./and hell no i'm not interested in the latest pop craze kill bill. but as long as the hype entertains me...even arnold doesn't have this much worship and adulation.

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 3:10 a.m. CST

    review

    by Anomaly

    What sets this particular Knowles review apart from other "questionable" reviews he has done is that many other reviewers are saying the same things. Kill Bill will indeed kick ass and take names. And I suggest if you can find it to watch one or both of the bootleg trailers for this movie because they are way better than the "for the masses" wide release trailers.

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 3:42 a.m. CST

    there's something bothering me about all those violated japanese

    by watashiwadare

    yeah the electoral vote wins out in the end. support your reviewers.

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Worst......Review........Ever..........

    by DRRIPPED!

    This has got to be Harry's most pretentious, most over emotional review he's ever written. I always thought Harry was really very smart, namechecking a whole bunch of japanese film makers the likes of which japanese film critics have probably never heard of before. BUT..... cast your mind back to the pirates of the carribean review, and talked of jonny depp's performance, saying it was a cross of other pirates and.....KEITH RICHARD (SIC). he spelled it this way at least four times, so, if he beleives that this is what the rolling stones rocker is called, then he probably doesnt know who the fuck he is, or seen him act in person. hes just ripping shit off from other sources because they said the same thing (at least they spelled it right though). therefore, most of those anonymous, WHO THE FUCK ARE THEY? HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THEM? japanese film makers he quoted was probably after he read an encyclopedia of who's who in classic, very old and obscure japanese martial arts movies, and harry hasn't probably even seen their damn films! he's just trying to sound clever. It also pissed me off that he dissed my baby of the year, Once Upon a Time in Mexico (my kinda film) withought even bothering to review it. he also talked of martial arts in a pretty negative way with his matrix reloaded review, oh its QT, its now cool all of a sudden.... KEITH RICHARD! fucking dimwit....

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 10:15 a.m. CST

    I'm afraid Harry Knowles will end up murdering Quentin Tarantino

    by Connie_Dandridge

    just like Selena was murdered by her #1 fan

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 10:22 a.m. CST

    DDRIPPED, An OT defence of Harry....

    by King Rhythm

    IIRC, Harry's dad, Father Geek, is an old rock dude who did the lights for shows back in the 60s. So no doubt, Harry has been brought up with a big love for the classic 60s/70s Stones, no? More or less right up to 1978 [i.e. when they went shit] Keith was known as Keith RICHARD, and put the 's' on after his court appearance in Toronto. Having no fucking interest in them after '78, I also refer to Keith as RICHARD, and I would imagine many old school Stones fans do. That's what he was called when they were making good records. He's got it off his dad. Betcha.

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Harry had to see it before reviewing it?

    by raoulkduke

    Why? He already knew what he was going to say.

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Does it really say

    by Calmacil

    "Revenge is a dish best served cold" - Old Klingon Proverb - like in the script? cuz i

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Connie_Dandridge eagerly joins Ashcroft's list

    by django_1

    Connie_Dandridge that was simply not nice, not nice atall.

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Harry doesn't know squat...

    by ACanOfTab

    He doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. All his film info comes from him doing net searches and a few rows of movies next to his computer.

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Harry reviewed Bubba Hotep back in 2002

    by mansala

    You people are too pessimistic about human nature.

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 8:49 p.m. CST

    So, do you suppose Kill Bill might be a good 'date movie'?

    by Neon_Noodle

    At the very least, it sounds like a good way to dig into the psyche of your date... and if she likes it, there's more where that came from in part two!

  • Sept. 28, 2003, 9:46 p.m. CST

    QT & Miramax

    by ChicagoRonin

    Just wondering, with all of QT's supposed passion and love of Asian action cinema, don't you think he could use his influence and convince Harvey Weinstein to give "HERO" and "Shaolin Soccer" a proper release? I mean, I'll admit the films aren't for everybody, but I think there's a reasonably good sized audience for Miramax to make a buck (In some ways, I don't care, I've seen the films and own the Chinese release DVDs). I mean, after talking endlessly about how much Kurosawa influenced the "Star Wars" films, even George Lucas (who I think is now a glorified hack) returned the favor and helped fund Kurosawa's "Kagemusha" and ILM contributed SFX to "Dreams".

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Um, Kazan is dead

    by Berserker666

    Harry how about dropping the donuts for once and report on a real fucking movie story

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Walter Hill WTF ????

    by Mechakong

    I really don't get the deification of Hill. Have you seen Another 48 hrs latley? Need I remind you that steaming pile of monkey shit called Supernova? And we ready to fall on our knee and prostrate ourselves to the genius who made Tresspass and the mid afternoon Comedy central staple Brewster's Millions for Fuck's sake?!! The guys period of "influence" was about three pictures long, and sure I liked the Warriors and Southern Comfort, but come now. It seems that every few months some dork on this site has to pull Walter Hill out of his back pocket like some misunderstood celluloid second coming,instead of the semi hack journeyman he is. Now Hal Ashby that's another story, where are his fans? And the Hill that QT takes the most from is JACK Hill.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 2:49 a.m. CST

    RE Kill Bill answers

    by Mechakong

    In response to a couple of questions above: It's closer to two hours than nintey minutes and yes the "old Kilingon" proverb is used as a title card at the start.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Yawwwwwwn

    by Buck_Turgidson

    You ever notice how Harry's reviews get longer the more he tries to sell you on a bill of goods? My rule of thumb--the more he tries to argue on the behalf of a film, rather than let it speak for itself, the less you should listen. Methinks in the case of Kill Bill, Volume 1, the Rotund One doth protest too much.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Harry, have you ever considered...

    by thedefenestrator

    that Quentin Tarantino wouldn't give you the time of day if you didn't own and operate an extremely popular movie website? The benefits are obvious: have dinner with some fatass and let him on the set and you get all kinds of free promotions. You've been mopping cum off of your computer screen for well over a year now, so it looks like QT has succeeded. Or maybe he loves you for your winning personality. I know I would love to be best buddies with someone who rubs his large movie collection and acquaintances with directors in the faces of everyone who goes to his website. Why do I bother restating the obvious like this? I think it's safe to say Harry's opinion became universally ignored when he wrote a page and a half explaining why Blade 2 is like having your pussy eaten.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Not a fan of Q.T.

    by RingLord

    Rag on me all you want. I have seen all of Q.T. movies, usually out of curiosity, after hearing all these rave reviews lording Q.T. as some sort of film GOD. Each time I see one of his films, I think, OK it wasn't bad, but it wasn't that good either. For me each film, has absolutely no replay value, and each film summs to be just slightly worse than the previous. I feel Q.T. is still living off of the hype that followed Pulp Fiction. Here again, Harry makes Q.T. to be the "Film God" all over again. I'm not buying it, its a damn martial arts movie, that's all, not the culmination of all that is FILM. Q.T. is just a director, doing things that many others have done before him, with just a hell of a lot more fake blood spraying around. I'll wait until it comes out on cable.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 11:41 a.m. CST

    The most unreadable review I've ever read

    by MrBabbage

    So it's good, yes?

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Quentin is not God

    by django_1

    Right, Right, Right RingLord. Quentin Tarantino is NOT GOD. He is GOD-FUCKING-ZILLA!!! He'll eat you cableTV to shreds also. ;-)

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 12:36 p.m. CST

    QT=Godzilla

    by RingLord

    OK, I got it now, he's a guy in rubber suit with bad breath. Thanks for setting the record straight django1.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Rock n Roll

    by django_1

    RingLord, man you sure do try to take the FUN out of cinema. Godzilla is REAL. I don't know how you could think otherwise. Rock n Roll cinema is B-ACK!!! "Kill Bill: Volume 1" Oct, 10th...Get some!!!

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Good Grief, Harry! You outdid yourself with this review.

    by WarDog

    And you're making me feel funny reading it. This was about a fourth as good as seeing the actual movie, I think. I know I'm gonna want to see it again and again and again, and then buy the DVD as soon as its out. Thanks a huge bunch for letting us know how well it met your expectations.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Revenge is a dish best served cold

    by GeneralTso

    Ancient Sicilian proverb, look it up trekheads.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I'm thin and you

    by jammasterj

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 3:50 p.m. CST

    So I take it there's no CGI in this movie?

    by minderbinder

    Funny, I'm getting a little more interested in this, but still not enough to pay to see it instead of just downloading...

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 4:08 p.m. CST

    django1

    by RingLord

    I'm going on a rant. I just hate it when a movie gets so over-hyped, and over-juiced just because of who happens to star in it, or directed it. Too many times I have seen films by great directors with great actors that, well, just plain suck. Pulp Fiction was great film, because it was so different from anything else that had been out there before. But after reading Harry's 2,000+ word regurge of all the same nonsense laid out for every other movie QT directed since, well it pisses me off. He's raised the bar for this film, and this director far too high, by comparing to past classics and claiming that it successfully combines the best aspects of all of these classics in one movie. In other words he's branded this a classic before its earned it in the eyes of the public. Now, if I believed Harry's review, my expectations of this thing would be way too high, laying the groundwork for one hell of a let down. However, given Harry's latest habit of praising absolute shit movies lately, I'm inclined to believe that this is just a so-so movie that Harry feels he has to praise beacuse he's backed himself into a corner hyping this movie for so long. After reading some of this talk-backs more non-biased reviews I really am hoping that movie does "kick-ass". It would be nice to see something original after a summer of over-blown, massive budget, sequels. But Harry's review has that "over blown" feeling, I do think the Fat Man does praise too much.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 4:14 p.m. CST

    for the love of film, people

    by mansala

    This site is not about movie news. It is about the celebration of movies, with an emphasis on certain genres. Harry, you need to write more reviews like your Big Lebowski review; i.e. tell more stories. I miss those.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Come on Harry

    by Ethan_hunt

    For one who loves movies so much Harry, I would think you'd at least understand that not everyone digs all the same movies you do. Let's not forget, you didn't like the Matrix Reloaded because it didn't have vampires or warewolves in it. Some people just don't like that much gore. I love QT's films and this one probably will be pretty good. But hailing it as the second coming of Christ, then bashing other critics because you don't understand why they don't like the same films you do, is pretty immature. Maybe those 6 people that walked out just didn't like the movie. I know you just couldn't possibly concieve why someone wouldn't love and worship and want to skull fuck the same movie you do, but it is possible that some people just don't like violence. This is a grindhouse gore movie and those do not appeal to everyone. Not even close. So don't slam the large population that wishes not to see people's body parts sliced off and mothers slaughtered in front of their daughters. I thought you would be honest and open-minded when you reviewed this film, reviewing it for what it is, but I guess I thought wrong.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Harry may be biased

    by mansala

    but when he says "I have no way to explain those critics, who are in what I can only imagine, are in a walking coma, unable to partake in the sensation of greatness inherent to both types of movies. I simply mourn them," he is trying to illustrate the extent of his passion for the movies. If a person takes personal offense to a comment like that, then that person needs to get some self confidence. Anyway, what I like about Harry is that it seems to him that movies represent ways of thinking. "Martial Arts films, Spaghetti Westerns, Samurai films and Grindhouse Gore" are entryways to certain attitudes/paradigms that are little-advertised (except at a few joints like this site). When a person "gets" a movie, s/he has discovered an attitude which allows her/him to enjoy the film. Incidentally, this is a reason for Harry to start writing about his mindset before his actual review, as he used to.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Objectivity

    by buzzkill43212

    I would like to believe this review, but over the months, I have seen so much that suggests strong and friendly connections between Harry Knowles and Quentin Tarentino that I just frankly cannot accept this review--which does not even explicitly discuss these connections. To me, this review is useless. I have no idea whether it is accurate or not.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 7:37 p.m. CST

    How many gratuitous, loving closeups of Uma and Lucy's feet will

    by Charles Grady

    Many, I hope. Tarantino makes Gore Verbinski, Adrian Lyne, Bernardo Bertolucci, Renny Harlin, Robert Rodriguez, John Stockwell, and Boaz Yakin's penchant for ogling foot shots seem positively subtle, so I hope he doesn't disappoint this time.

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 7:43 p.m. CST

    If you all think Harry played nice to Tarantino and shot a load

    by Commando Cody

    Talk about a sprayfest. We all may have to break out umbrellas or rain ponchos before daring to open up the link to THAT review...

  • Sept. 29, 2003, 8:45 p.m. CST

    So was Harry going to review Once Upon A Time In Mexico?

    by Tracheotomy Man

    That comes out soon, right?

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Drunken Tarantino on Leno Monday

    by MST3KPIMP

    Did anybody see catch this trainwreck? QT sounded like Harvey Firestein. Surely this can only be an omen for Kill Bill.

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 1:24 a.m. CST

    It's funny u say that about QT - The Drunken Master

    by stlfilmwire

    Before the interview while Kevin Bacon was being interviewed, my friend came into the room and asked why I was watching Leno. He knows a I prefer Letterman. Well, I told him I heard QT was gonna be on and I wanted to see if he'd calmed down at all. I am a big fan of his movies but I was always concerned about the way others perceive him... I dunno why. At any rate, it's a shame he couldn't carry a conversation. Heck, we couldn't even understand him most of the time. It really would have been a good opportunity for him to explain to the general public how the movie is divided into two parts. Oh well. That's QT for ya. I never met the guy... so maybe I am not familiar with how he normally acts.

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Harry's KBill Review

    by orion2001

    Harry, I just wanna know one thing -- did you like the damn thing or not!?! Really, if the movie is anything like your rambling, pointless review, then sign me up for a late screening of GIGLI instead. As a longtime fan, I gotta say... you're blowin' it dude.

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 1:39 a.m. CST

    QT on LENO...What a damn, damn shame.

    by thursdaythe12th

    I haven't seen such an embarrassing moment that bad since David Guest and Liza Minelli appeared...anywhere. The cane, the tooth necklace, the drunkenness (or was it something else?) I A M S P E E C H L E S S . Well, maybe I'm not. I am guessing this was all planned to get press. I am guessing that he wasn't really drunk at all, but pretending (badly). Did you notice how his accent changed, and his pitch? The worst moment ever in cinema was when QT attempted to act in Pulp Fiction (alright, Sofia Coppola in Godfather III was the ALL-TIME worst performance ever - ruined the entire film) This man couldn't act his way through a menu at a restaurant, so I am guessing this was all an "act." No more discussion needed. I hope he ruins any chance his film might have. What a total loser (ok writer, though.)

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Let's not be too hard on the guy.

    by El Che

    He was probably just nervous and drank too much to calm his nerves. QT is a bit of a recluse and likely dreaded the promotion train he's on. Who can blame him for having a few pops before the show?

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 2:27 a.m. CST

    QUENTIN ON JAY LENO

    by Fernwick_

    what the fuck is up with Quentin being fucked out of mind high on Jay Leno? He reminds me of when Farrah was fucked up on Letterman I think? Anyone else notice?

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Okay, so I've noticed that QT and Hitchcock are foot fetishists

    by PumpyMcAss

    but I certainly didn't notice the trend in the works of the other directors you mentioned. Looks like you like feet just a little bit, buddy.

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 2:51 a.m. CST

    The KILL BILL talk show curse

    by wadew

    Daryl Hannah also looked cracked out on Jimmy Kimmel's show tonight. I missed Tarantino on Leno. I but i think it probably went something like: "Ok, Jay? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK?OK? OK?OK? OK?OK? OK?OK? OK?OK? OK? OK?OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK?OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK?OK? OK? OK? OK?OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK?OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK? OK?OK? OK? OK? OK?OK? "

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Bloody Yanks, bring it on!!

    by survive

    I hate reading this in Australia becuase I'm always the last to know whats going down. Anyway i wanted to offend all of you twats about the ramplings of 9/11. Listen people. Why do you guys feel we should be so sensitive just because they blew up some shit in New York. Fuck you all for your arrogance. Death is Death and I get angry and upset if 1 yank is killed in the same way I get upset and angry if a person in the middle east is killed. What make you so special to generate this debate after 9/11 when America has been killing and raping the world for years and no one bats a eyelid!!

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 4:51 a.m. CST

    I dont get why Tarantino is talking SHIT about CGI

    by Rcamacho2278

    CGI for movies like matrix reloaded, The hulk, and Lord of the rings bring more artistic value to a film than his pulp fiction ever will. tarantino relies more on chopsocky events in the film to make you remember it. Gay ass raping scenes? Heroin drug overdose with uma getting a needle in her? pure shock value, nothing about story telling. he talked out of his ass, and just sounds like a bitter man the way spike lee sounded when he tried to bitch about the whole hollywood race thing.

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 11:02 a.m. CST

    2 things...

    by gamyharns

    1.Kill Bill will probably fun(and cool)to watch.Worthy of getting on my knees and worshipping? No way. 2. 15 minutes of being around Quentin Tarintino would probably make me want to stab myself repeatedly with a butterknife.

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Personally...

    by Halloween68

    I'm looking forward to this film. I'll reserve my opinion of it until I actually see it. It's only Quentin's 4th film. I've yet to bow down to the guy like everybody else seems to want to do. To this day, I still say that Pulp Fiction is one of the most overrated films in the history of cinema. I've never gotten what all the hubbub's about. Now don't get me wrong... I think it's a good film. I actually own a copy on DVD. The 2 disc set. (One of the better DVD releases to date...I'll give you that.) I love the music. The music is a big part of the movie. It does a good job of driving the sequences. The dialogue is snappy. Very clever. And there are some really funny moments throughout. But as far as the movie itself... I've seen a lot better. I understand that some people will make the argument that the film is groundbreaking because of it's style and approach to cinema. Okay. Maybe. But as for a film just on its own. Like I said, I've seen a lot better. I think Jackie Brown is QT's best made film to date. I think Reservoir Dogs is his best written film to date. What I really appreciate about Quentin is his love for film. I really dig that, and that's what keeps rivetted to what projects he's involved with next. Kill Bill looks fun. I expect it will be because QT's enthusiasm for the subject matter is often times contagious. Oh, and Harry, I love the animation. I actually have a really great sketch of that scene. Good stuff.

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 4:39 p.m. CST

    It's amazing that Harry was able to type out this review...

    by raisedeyebrow

    ... -- and I use the term "review" extremely loosely -- considering that both of his hands must have been busy cupping Tarantino's balls.

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 5:15 p.m. CST

    tarantino

    by Anomaly

    Was Quentin's behaviour on Leno last night really that surprising? It's pretty much fact that all geniuses are totally fucked in the head.

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Someone put his Leno appearance Online

    by wadew

    i missed the tomfoolery

  • Sept. 30, 2003, 6:25 p.m. CST

    QUENTIN TARANTINO FILM FESTIVAL ON TRIO (Sunday 10/5-Monday 10/1

    by Declan_Swartz

    The first week of Kimmel was bearable because everyone was drunk, but Disney/ABC got rid of that element quick.

  • Oct. 1, 2003, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Any good foot fetishism scenes in "Kill Bill"?

    by Shanghai Nicky

    Do we see Uma getting a foot massage? Lucy getting her toes sucked? Close ups of babes' bare feet? I wanna know! Don't be letting us down now, Quent!

  • Oct. 1, 2003, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Michael Mardsen (?)

    by jvrsn2

    So does he like try to be Mr.Blonde in every Tarantino movie. Because that's what he looks like in the preview. Not that Mr.Blonde didn't rule ass.

  • Oct. 1, 2003, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Drunks, Feet, and My Mini Review of Kill Bill vol 1

    by stlfilmwire

    Do we get to see Uma feet? Maybe. My thoughts: The craziest of the QT flicks. It's so gory that he even has to switch to black and white at times...(probably to please the MPAA)... pretty nuts. There's even a scene where you swear QT was channeling the scriptwriting of Roger Avary. Hehe. At any rate... it's good fun. And the more doesn't leave you completely hanging... it has it's own way of wrapping up... yet keeping you hungry for vol 2.

  • i saw tarantino at the alamo drafthouse. actually i sat right behind harry while harry ate 10 of everything on the menu and tarantino drank like 30 beers during "billy jack" and some hong kong kung fu thing. this was september 2001. he was drunk drunk. and i think its possible that this could hurt his movie. how, we'll never know cuz it'll succeed by some standards.

  • 1) Lawrence of Arabia 2) 2001: A Space Odyssey 3) Raging Bull 4) Dr. Strangelove 5) Jaws 6) Schindler's List 7) One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest 8) Midnight Cowboy 9) The Graduate 10) Annie Hall - Those are the top 10 I find to be the best movies artistically. They're not even my top ten favorites. Only about 6 of them are in my top 10 most enjoyable movies... I don't know why, I just feel like I really figure it out for myself and I wanted to share it with some others.

  • Oct. 2, 2003, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Happy feet

    by Mechakong

    You toe perverts get long loving shots of Uma's feet, as she tries to wiggle her big toe after she wakes up from her coma. And as lovely as the rest of the package, those are some nasty ass dogs. Damn.

  • Oct. 2, 2003, 12:55 a.m. CST

    KILL! KILL! PUSSYCAT!

    by chien_sale

    I want Tarantino to remake this with Gena Girshon, Eva Mendez and Angelina Jolie...and Hulk Hogan.

  • Oct. 2, 2003, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Harry.... Can you please write a good review for once?

    by Mr. Profit

    I don't care about Set Visits. I don't want to hear so much praise for a director because you are cool with him. I don't want to hear about Audience reaction, because if that is the case X2 sucked because the theatre I was in was packed and quiet. I don't want to hear about nothing else but the movie itself. Just talk about the movie. No long winded backstory's about your childhood and how you blah blah blah. Just review the film. It's that simple. And enough with the Reloaded stuff. Admit it, you did not like the film because once SEX was incorporated into the story you couldn't relate anymore. And X2 by the way was weak. Erase Hugh Jackman from the equation and you got a mess. And the special effects were straight out of Xena: Warrior Princess. How they spent 135 Million is beyond me. The TCM remake looks like they spent more money on it than they did on X2. I went off on a tangent, but that was no different than Harry's unfocused reviews which do nothing now that slob the knobs of the directors that are his buddies.

  • Oct. 2, 2003, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Correction: I went off on a tangent, but that was no different t

    by Mr. Profit

    And I am also scared for his ROTK review. Watch that shit be 5 pages long.

  • Oct. 2, 2003, 1:03 p.m. CST

    You just dropped more names than a cropduster full of phone book

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    Which of the 15 films you talked about was being reviewed here?

  • Oct. 2, 2003, 3:53 p.m. CST

    yes

    by AlgertMopper

    but did the movie cause you to jizz on your face --coudn't finish the review--

  • Oct. 2, 2003, 9:42 p.m. CST

    I have seen movie, wish to comment...

    by dr rufus

    I just got back from the UK premiere, still a little drunk from the free champagne, still feeling buoyant after hearing Quentin's introductory speech, still a little crazy after watching Uma sashay down the yellow carpet. First off I loved the film, no spoilers here, but its a pure and simple samurai sword movie. Very similar in many ways to Shogun Assasin. Lots of fights, lots of severed limbs and spurting blood, not a whole lot of back story, not a bucket load of characterisation. 100% not a chick flick. Now Harry may have gone a little crazy over this film. It is way frickin cool, very richly filmic, very knowing, tons of little references to the Tarantino oeuvre, uncountable references to other movies. However I have a few little criticisms: 1. Uma doesn't totally rule in the fight scenes. Often the editing seems to protect her from our critical gaze. She looks physically weak, and fails to convince in many moments. 2. The wirework is often intrusive 3. The RZA soundtrack is loud and insanely inappropriate, tense lulls in battles still have blaring blaxploitation dance tracks. 4. The english dialogue lives up to past tarantino greatness, but, and its a big but, half the movie is in subtitled japanese. The subtitled dialogue is dull, and virtually humourless. 5. The final fight is anti-climactic, maybe we have to wait for the DVD that pairs up vol 1 and 2. 6. The anime sequence sucks, hmm maybe my articulacy is fading.... Having laid into the movie a little I want to reiterate that I thoroughly enjoyed it, but at the end of the day, for all its postmodern hustle, its just a fancy expensive kung fu flick.

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 4:05 a.m. CST

    I to have seen the movie

    by crush181

    And Its quite possible to most kick ass movie I've seen in years. It was awsome from start to finish. The anime sequence was awsome nothing about this movie sucked in my opinion. Tarantinos best work by far.

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 8:16 a.m. CST

    QT on SCI-FI

    by chanjumar

    This is from Sci-fi wire this morning thought someone would be interested: Director Quentin Tarantino, whose latest film is the action-thriller Kill Bill: Volume One, told the Zap2It.com Web site that he avoids comic book adaptations because of the genre's traditionally zealous fans. "The reason I'll never do a comic book movie with, like, The Flash or something like that is f*ck those comic book geeks, man." Tarantino told the site. "You can't please them. I might do a comic book movie, but I'd come up with my own characters where I'm God and I'm the expert and not you guys." The outspoken Pulp Fiction director was also quoted as saying, "The thing is, film geeks can be your best friend, but man, they can be your worst enemy." Kill Bill: Volume One opens in theaters Oct. 10.

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Allow me to retort

    by django_1

    The real question "Dick Hertz" (certainly not mine; I have a clean bill of health ;-) ) is do you LOVE "Godzilla"? If you do then bully for you; if you don't then no one can explain CINEMA to you. Chill out on the racist undertones there b-oy. Cookies and Milk?

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 11:32 a.m. CST

    You are behind the curve, Dick Hertz.

    by FluffyUnbound

    It is precisely the fact that QT has no right to appropriate the racial and cultural tropes that he does that makes him so cool. Get with the program.

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Hardcore!!

    by George Newman

    Ya know what else is hardcore? www.rockithardcore.com come here for awesome movie, music, and tv news and reviews. With many forums for discussion going on daily, rockithardcore is the coolest place to go when you've had your daily fill of Harry. Check it out!!

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 2:30 p.m. CST

    This review makes absolutely no sense

    by mortsleam

    Seriously, someone had to say it.

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill, Cabin Fever

    by ethandt

    Wow, what a review Harry....I soooooooo want to belive that Kill Bill will be as good as your review claims but damn, how in the hell am I supposed to take your review to heart knowing that you gave Cabin Fever a great review as well. Gee, the director is one of your friends, well that explains it. Cabin Fever was so bad it's a joke. I sincerely thought that the movie itself was a joke made by a clever mastermind who obviously slipped the studio execs drugs in order to get that piece of shit on the big screen. But you say Kill Bill is a masterpiece, I can only hope that when reviewing Kill Bill you were off whatever drugs you were on when you saw, and reviewed Cabin fever.

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill, Cabin Fever

    by ethandt

    Wow, what a review Harry....I soooooooo want to belive that Kill Bill will be as good as your review claims but damn, how in the hell am I supposed to take your review to heart knowing that you gave Cabin Fever a great review as well. Gee, the director is one of your friends, well that explains it. Cabin Fever was so bad it's a joke. I sincerely thought that the movie itself was a joke made by a clever mastermind who obviously slipped the studio execs drugs in order to get that piece of shit on the big screen. But you say Kill Bill is a masterpiece, I can only hope that when reviewing Kill Bill you were off whatever drugs you were on when you saw, and reviewed Cabin fever.

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill clip

    by Anomaly

    Did anyone see the clip they played on Leno last night? Lucy Liu was Jay's guest and they played this awesome clip of her talking some shit after doing something violent...won't spoil it for you. Anyway, the more I see from this film the more excited I am to see it. Oh, and Dick Hertz, I think it takes a lot more skill to master a samurai sword than to master pulling a fucking trigger.

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 6:35 p.m. CST

    But is it as homo-erotic and misogynistic as the preponderance o

    by Diskatopia

    Betting it is.

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Long String

    by Nonononstop

    I've started reading this post string from the beginning, and then about 30 minutes later, my eyes grew tired of reading everything being referenced from revenge flicks to obscure art house films and then 9/11 was slipped in there for a bit. ??? I scrolled down to the end to see what the last guy had said. He talked about Lucy Lu being on Leno and the clip she "brought" with her excited him enough to check out the film. I think that's good enough for anyone. As someone mentioned earlier, as you can see from the trailer, the fighting sequences don't look THAT great, but good enough from non-martial artists. Generally, Keanu and Fishburn was good enough for us in the Matrix, so why not Uma and the rest? Why not? The plot? Well, let's see if it's all as Harry says it is. Until it comes out, stop being so angry with Harry. You have your own opinion and he has his. He saw it, you didn't. So wait. Watch it when it comes out, then post your own review.

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Two words....

    by 60091

    .....I'm there!

  • Oct. 3, 2003, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Call me crazy, but there are some shots in the ads that look REA

    by minderbinder

    QT wouldn't go and use CGI after all his little pansy whining, would he?

  • Oct. 4, 2003, 12:14 a.m. CST

    7 more days...

    by RedSharkX

    And counting.

  • Oct. 4, 2003, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Tarantino is screwing his fans, Peter Jackson-style.

    by Mosquito March

    There's an article on ComingSoon.net where Tarantino dishes on his KILL BILL DVD plans. He says he'll release both movies separately with a bunch of special features, and then put out a combined version of the film with features completely different from the individual releases. Add that to fucking his fans by splitting the movie in two, and you get one huge money-grubbing prick.

  • Oct. 4, 2003, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Dude, that's not screwing the fans...the smart thing is to just

    by minderbinder

    (and that's assuming you like the movie after you watch the VCD) If I buy ONE copy of a movie I like, how exactly am I getting "screwed"? Do you complain to Burger King that since they offer a whopper with and without cheese, you're "forced to buy both"?

  • Oct. 4, 2003, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Hertz...

    by JiggamanSpence

    Machine guns and big jugs? You should go see Bad Boys 2.

  • Oct. 4, 2003, 2:04 p.m. CST

    The world smallest violin.

    by django_1

    Give it up Dick Hertz. Listening to the world smallest violin, between my thumb and forefinger, playing for you, breaks my heart.

  • Oct. 4, 2003, 5:47 p.m. CST

    George Newman...eat a dick up until you hick up

    by super Cucaracha

    twice motherfucker!

  • Oct. 4, 2003, 11:23 p.m. CST

    minderbinder: What a retarded analogy.

    by Mosquito March

    Hamburgers? Even a knuckelhead like you knows that the Cult of Tarantino will buy all the shit Tarantino puts out, in its many versions, especially if there's exclusive material involved. And, Tarantino is cashing in by exploiting that fact. It's the same with the LOTR films and their followers. Jackson puts his theatrical versions of the movies out on DVD first because the movies are out of the theaters and he knows the fans can't wait several months for his Super-Duper Special Edition Director's Cut Extravaganza (which also ends up negating the theatrical and primary DVD releases in a narrative sense). He knows the fans' weakness for his work and is cashing in on it. Tarantino's actually worse. He figured out they could double-charge the fans who've been eagerly awaiting KILL BILL for six years by splitting a single movie in two, even though movies two-to-three hours long are released pretty frequently in whole (including Tarantino's last two films). That's the first pelvic thrust at the fans. The second thrust is releasing the movies individually on DVD, each disc loaded with special features, and then releasing a combined version, loaded with features totally different from the previous versions. Yeah, the fans don't have to spend that money. But, do you think they won't? Personally, I think Tarantino is hugely overrated. I think he's a hack. I'll see KILL BILL, but I won't be spending a dime on it, in any incarnation. But, if you've been around AICN long, then you know damn well there are a lot of people around here who can't help themselves when it comes to this kind of shit. Look at the way Harry's freaking out about it, man! It's like drugs, or religion. And, the very people Tarantino's moves are geared for are the ones who will definitely pay for all versions of the film(s). The thing that I find most insidious about the whole enterprize is that Mr. Indie God was apparently plotting the Big Screw from the get-go. It's not that he needs a few years to compile the goodies on these DVDs, or that it's being updated from a dead format, like the INDIANA JONES films. He already knows that his cult will buy up all the shit he puts out there, and he's exploiting it. On one hand, it's a brilliant move. On the other hand, he's a greedy, opportunistic prick who will probably re-release PULP FICTION and RESERVOIR DOGS in even-more-special editions WITH commentary tracks before long. The guy's learned to play the Hollywood game a little too well for somebody who's lauded for being Hollywood's antithesis. Don't try to defend him by comparing the price of the obsessive love of this guy's work to deciding between hamburgers at a fast food joint. It ain't the same thing, and you know it. Unless you obsess over burgers.

  • Oct. 4, 2003, 11:53 p.m. CST

    mansala

    by Mosquito March

    You can keep trying to justify Harry's attitude, if you like, but he's still just an elitist.

  • Oct. 5, 2003, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Harry IS an elitist

    by Manos

    Nobody will read this, I'm sure, since its posted so late, but the fact is, Harry IS a snob. His Kill Bill review proves it. Anyone who does not like the genres that he likes is in a 'walking coma'. Typical liberal crap. Its the old 'you have the right to your opinion, but if it doesn't line up with mine, you're an idiot' line. BTW, I saw 'Quinten' on Leno. He IS an idiot. Leno got fed up with him and went to the film clip. I find it interesting that such Hollywood 'anti-heroes' are really just drunken, self centered jerks.

  • Oct. 5, 2003, 11:21 a.m. CST

    theres no doubt harry gives FUCKED UP BIASED reviews. just look

    by Rcamacho2278

    you can dislike aspects of a film, but to go so far off the review and into your own world and twisted imagination makes you an ass of a reviewer. You cannot tell me you LOVED parts of Matrix reloaded yet in your review it was nothing but Negative. Fuck that shit...

  • Oct. 5, 2003, 11:34 a.m. CST

    HARRY?

    by defino

    DOESN'T ANYONE UPDATE THIS SITE ANYMORE?! seems like months since this site's had any "cool news." is harry too busy with his cameo appearances? pass the site along to another caretaker. you got famous for running the site harry, not for trying to be one of hollywood's bitches, you know?

  • Oct. 5, 2003, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Anyone whose opinion is different from mine IS an idiot.

    by FluffyUnbound

    I guess that makes me an elitist. Frankly, if you don't think your opinions are right, why do you have them? And if you think they are right, what does that say about the people who don't share them? It says that they are idiots - THAT'S what it says. Spare me the "well, there are matters for which there are no 'right' opinions" crap as well. Why would any of those subjects be worthy of notice? Sorry. Either agree with me, or accept the fact that I will find you to be a despicable moron. As will anyone with any self-respect. Fuck all of you "tolerance" worms. Wriggle in the mud with that crap. And by the way, no matter HOW MANY TIMES you Matrix: Reloaded fuckers show up and whine, your pet movie will never be any good. It sucked. Accept it. And you aren't accomplishing anything by jumping on the movies that Harry likes as some sort of pathetic "payback" or "revenge". It might have a chance of working, if you could discipline yourselves to NOT MENTION THE MATRIX while you are doing it. But you're too stupid to even do that. You can't stop yourselves. And anyone who objects to the fact that Kill Bill was split into two because they don't want to pay for two movies should get a better job or shut up like the broke serf they are. If you don't have the money to spend, if it's a big deal to you, nobody wants to hear what you have to say. About anything. Go dumpster dive behind the Waldenbooks for old romance novels or Star Trek paperbacks and leave the adults and the actual citizens here alone.

  • Oct. 5, 2003, 5:15 p.m. CST

    you hate this, hate that

    by mansala

    Why don't you talk about something which inspired you? There should be balance in criticism, if you want to be constructive. By the way, I am sick of movies being viewed as if they were merely plays. There's more to them than the performances. Most of the beauty I see on film is visual, or the interplay between the visual and the aural.

  • Oct. 5, 2003, 5:40 p.m. CST

    hmmm

    by mansala

    When harry began his website, people trusted him because they thought his enthusiam for movies was genuine. He knew a lot about movies, and often he would mention titles which he thought were great but were little-known to the public. I don't think his attitude changed much since then, except for a decrease in personal anecdotes, which distinguished his reviews from other reviews. It is strange that the writing style which put this site on the map in the first place is now seen as amateurish and incompetence.

  • Oct. 5, 2003, 8:55 p.m. CST

    See Above

    by Manos

    This coming from someone living in the land down under. Yeah, I can take that seriously.

  • Oct. 5, 2003, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Manos

    by Mosquito March

    I appreciate your post about Harry's rampant elitism, but where the hell did the "typical liberal crap" comment come from?

  • Oct. 5, 2003, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Fluffy

    by Mosquito March

    You are the biggest asshole in the world. If that's what you're shooting for, good job. PS - How do you know there are romance novels in the dumpster behind Walden Books?

  • Oct. 5, 2003, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Blow me, Mosquito Dick.

    by FluffyUnbound

    The modern tendency to shrug one's shoulders and say, "Hey, everyone is entitled to an opinion" is a sign of the degeneracy of the species. Maybe it's a desperate attempt to deal with overcrowding; maybe it's a philosophical failure; maybe it's due to a general loss of authenticity; maybe the culture is decadent. It doesn't really matter how the problem is identified. The solution should be obvious. But, since in addition to being contemptible, you're also moronic, you just can't see it. Or maybe you just don't care, because you are comfortable with a world that has moved beyond judgment. Either way, you're nothing but cattle, now - or perhaps an insect on a dung-pile. Luxuriate in it, because this is your time. Who knows how long it will last?

  • Oct. 5, 2003, 10:19 p.m. CST

    You are all assholes.

    by DanTheDamnMan

    "Hey Harry! Kill Bill is gonna suck! It probably won't even be that good! And I bet... I bet you're fat too!" Just shut the fuck up. You assholes haven't even seen the movie. So what if Harry loved it? Are you the fucking Grinch or some shit? Harry can say whatever the fuck he wants about this movie because it is his site. If you want to write negative reviews for movies you haven't seen yet because Harry saw it and said it was good, then make your own site. Nobody cares about your PMS.

  • Oct. 5, 2003, 11:42 p.m. CST

    I love how someone managed to state that

    by PumpyMcAss

    they aren't going to see Kill Bill Vol 1 within the talkback for School of Rock. Seriously, go see the film before you smash it. You can say that something doesn't look interesting to you, but you can't say that the movie sucks before you see it. Besides, if you truly love films, you will at least give a QT movie a chance. I mean, he is arguably the most influential filmmaker of our time. Even if you don't LIKE his films, you can at least be familiar with his work to be a functioning conversationalist on pop culture.

  • Oct. 5, 2003, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Whoa shit!

    by PumpyMcAss

    Totally thought I was on the School of Rock TB. I feel like such a douche. But my point still applies.

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 1:11 a.m. CST

    A Good Idea

    by Jervis Tetch

    ...from somebody at another site: Since QT and Miramax cut "Kill Bill" in two for "artistic intregity purposes," how about giving every patron who sees "Kill Bill Volume 1" a FREE coupon to see "Kill Bill Volume 2" in February. After all, they don't care about the money, right? P.S. One problem with "Kill Bill" MAY be putting so much weight on Uma to carry this movie. In "Pulp Fiction," she had Samuel L. and Willis and Travolta along for the ride. All of them big stars, one time or another. "Jackie Brown" at least had Robert De Niro (overexposed nowadays, but a star nonetheless) and Michael Keaton (Batman not so long ago at the time.) "Kill Bill" is a little light on starpower. Still, I want to see it, and will.

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 8:19 a.m. CST

    "the Cult of Tarantino will buy all the shit Tarantino puts out"

    by minderbinder

    Yep. So just don't be a member of the Cult of Tarantino. If people really want to buy two versions of a movie, isn't that THEIR perogative? Why is it such a horrible thing that both are available? I love how you paint them as addicts who can't help themselves, so the fact that they blow money isn't their fault, it's someone else's. And how would you propose releasing the LotR movies in a "fair" way? You do realize that if you put both versions in the same set that it would probably be at least $40 (which people would bitch about) and would be released months later (which people would also bitch about). I do agree that the KB fiasco looks like a money grab in many ways, but it's stupid to try and include PJ/LotR, completely different situation.

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Curious review, dude

    by Hud

    I wanna see this, but, Harry, your review makes the film sound like the movie geek equi valent of stolen panties. Just a jumbled drawer of idiosyncratic obsessions. From your descriptions, it sounds like there isn't one moment in the film when you're not aware you're looking a hundred other movies neatly parsed and stitched together with dollar bills.

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 3:38 p.m. CST

    shut up!

    by Zach

    alright all, there's a simple way to settle this --- everybody who's already decided KILL BILL is gonna kick ass, get on one side, and everybody who's already decided it's gonna suck, get on the other, and everybody grab a samurai sword, and kick the shit out of each other!! meanwhile the people that aren't going to like it can yell "FAGS!" and the people who are going to like it can yell "ASSHOLES!" until everyone's dead!

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Don't be jealous of Tarantino

    by Nader!!

    Most of the people in here who have a negative attitude of this film are just jealous of Quentin. Even if half of you made a film, you wish you could have enough credit to do what you wanted, not what a studio head wants. He made the film for himself, not for us. If we enjoy it, more money for Miramax! Yay! If we don't, no one gives a shit! Oh no! All this comes down to is how much of their paychecks you want to pay for. Before I go, none of you should even be allowed to have hateful comment towards the film. Not only have you not seen the film but most of you don't know enough about film to have an educated response to it. It's like asking a typical actor to review a piece of art. It doesn't work. By the way...KILL BILL in FOUR days! Whoooooo!!!!

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 3:57 p.m. CST

    HARRY

    by Zach

    by the way! everyone's always giving harry shit because he puts some history behind his reviews. i think that's a lot more honest than a review that says either loosely "this sucks" or "this rocks" under a false air of objectivity. movies are art, and very open to different opinions, which is while you're still going to find fuckers who loved UNDERWORLD and fuckers who hated PULP FICTION! by putting some background into his reviews harry is just honestly explaining where he's coming from before he delivers his opinion. alright, he does it in a kind of "I AM THE JESUS OF FILM" kind of way, but what the fuck, who cares! FLUFFY - you remind of this kid that went to my high school, dan turner. he was always convinced that he was right, and he would never shut up about his damn opinion, which to you seems great and all, but he also never got any ass. and he was short. DICK HERTZ - you remind me of another kid from my high school, dan procacci. whenever anyone talked about karate or swords in movies, he had the standard response, "YEAH, WELL GIVE ME A GUN AND WE'LL SEE WHO WINS!!" and you know what? he was right!! BUT IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE!!! AND SWORD FIGHTS ARE JUST FUCKING COOL!!!!!!!!!!! he got ass, but only from really fat slutty girls. i'm excited as hell about kill bill, but everyone hold off your god damn opinions until you've seen it, that includes tarantino fans strung out on coke! p.s. everyone who isn't going to like this movie, get drunk and see it anyway! then at least you'll enjoy yourself!! and by the way druken samurai sword fights are the perfect end to any evening!!!

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 4:06 p.m. CST

    9-11...Kill Bill...

    by Nader!!

    Good job. I'm glad this movie is finally coming out. 9-11 was a terrible day but it doesn't mean we don't want ENTERTAINMENT. Blood, gore, more please! The thing is, your just trying to be patriotic because you have to. You never gave a shit before 9-11 and now you do. Only because everyone else is giving shit. Wow, that's some nice manipulation. Truth is, most people don't even know half the things that go on around the world everyday and that's okay. But stop trying to push it. You didn't even have a "side" until after 9-11. Good job kids. I hope Quentin comes to everyones house who hated the film and pulls out a samurai sword to cut them up! Wizard!

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 4:12 p.m. CST

    BUT...

    by Zach

    BUT i still don't like harry because he's fat. he weighs too much... we should kill him. kill him for being fat!! woohoooo!!!!!

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 4:36 p.m. CST

    DRUKEN SAMURAI FIGHTING!!!!!!!

    by Zach

    woohooo!

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 4:40 p.m. CST

    This ZACH!! character

    by Nader!!

    You need to stop making this messageboard look bad! We're not all children here! Take back your harsh statements and never step into these shadows...again!!! By the way...UMA THURMAN will KILL BILL (almost) in FOUR DAYS!!!

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 5:03 p.m. CST

    NADER!!

    by Zach

    Post away, but remember: you're our guest, you're using OUR bandwidth for free, so please don't be a bastard. Blatant abuse, personal attacks, OFF-TOPIC BS, cross-posting, blatant advertising, and hate speech are all fodder for deletion. In other words, being a jerkwad loser will get you banned. Another thing that'll get you banned is complaining about being deleted. hehehhehe! BY THE WAY - my password is: "tfqkgpzu"

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles is not responding to my calls

    by Zach

    Harry and I dated for a while. i don't know why but he stopped calling. I thought he was into the whole gay thing. Oh well. Kill Bill! I love terrorists too! Go Taliban! Oh yeah, the color pink is hot this winter. is that off-topic enough? Teehee, oh me!

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Woohoo!

    by Zach

    I need to see man on man action here! What a faux pas this place is. Oh well!

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 6:53 p.m. CST

    dorky white guy

    by churiso

    QT's overuse of the N****** word is sick and annoying. Especially when he has to say it over and over and over. Like he is secretly ejaculating in his pants. I bet it brings him great joy to use that word. Because normally he can't, it is taboo (unless you live in the south and wear a white hood for family picnics). And all the fanboys, love hearing it too, subsequently using it the moment they leave the theatre, thinking they are vindicated because it was in a movie.

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 7:24 p.m. CST

    FluffyUnbound: Yet again with the homosexual overtures! So predi

    by Mosquito March

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Mosquito, my request that you blow me carries no homosexual cont

    by FluffyUnbound

    It's about humiliation, not sex. I want you to abase yourself by fellating me. The sexual aspect of the event would be secondary. So please, blow me, twice.

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Fluffy: I love how you rationalize your predilections. You sound

    by Mosquito March

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Do I rationalize my predilections the way you rationalize your p

    by FluffyUnbound

    Let's say everything you have said about Peter Jackson and Quentin Tarantino's schemes to extract additional money from their fans is true. How much money are we talking about here? One movie ticket plus three DVD's - what is that, 60 to 70 dollars, depending on how long you hold out before buying each DVD? If you just turn ONE MORE TRICK a night, in a month or so you can save up $60 easy. Oh wait, I forgot about your pimp's cut. Maybe it will take you two months. Here's a tip: people who bitch and whine about the expense of things in public expose themselves as losers. Shut up. You'll be doing yourself a favor. Otherwise I will be forced to conclude you're just human trash, below even contempt. Doff your hat, avert your eyes, mumble respectfully, and maybe someone will throw a penny or two your way and you can buy yourself an invitation to a pity party. Poor Mosquito, with all the DVD's out there tantalizing him, while he collects cans.

  • Oct. 6, 2003, 11:06 p.m. CST

    READ THIS

    by ReDWasK

    85.4 percent of you people are retarded.

  • Oct. 7, 2003, 2:16 a.m. CST

    I saw it tonight

    by PKB

    I saw an advanced screening of KILL BILL tonight, and I enjoyed it. I think Harry's review makes perfect sense coming from someone who loved the movie. How can any of you have such strong opinions about it without having seen it yet? If you have already decided you won't like it, why are you even wasting time in this talkback? I think most people who walk into the theater with an open mind will enjoy this movie. Stop reading and talking about it. Go see it. Decide if you liked it after the credits roll.

  • Oct. 7, 2003, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Harry, where's your messiah nowwwwwwwwwww?

    by DawnOfTheDead

    Tarantino Blasts Comic Fans Director Quentin Tarantino, whose latest film is the action-thriller Kill Bill: Volume One, told the Zap2It.com Web site that he avoids comic-book adaptations because of the genre's traditionally zealous fans. "The reason I'll never do a comic-book movie with, like, The Flash or something like that is f--- those comic-book geeks, man." Tarantino told the site. "You can't please them. I might do a comic-book movie, but I'd come up with my own characters where I'm God and I'm the expert and not you guys." The outspoken Pulp Fiction director was also quoted as saying, "The thing is, film geeks can be your best friend, but man, they can be your worst enemy." Kill Bill: Volume One opens in theaters Oct. 10._________________ www.AngelBabyEscorts.com

  • Oct. 7, 2003, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Quentin is a...

    by DawnOfTheDead

    little full of himself. But right about comic movie nerds.______________________ www.TheBestWebStore.com

  • Oct. 7, 2003, 8:40 a.m. CST

    TH: Harry doesn't review ANY of Rodriguez's films...did you see

    by minderbinder

    Be careful jumping to those conclusions...

  • Oct. 7, 2003, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Change!!!

    by Zach

    Yeah...i meant to say "What a faux pas! This place has become a conglomerate (??) of freaks and geeks!" I need a man to stick it to me...

  • Oct. 7, 2003, 1:50 p.m. CST

    This movie's an embarassment to anyone with a three-digit IQ.

    by empyreal0

    Pedantic doesn't even begin to describe this horseshit. I'll go over what was good first to get that out of the way because it should be quick. 1) I paid nothing to see it. 2) It was preceded by the trailers for Matrix Revolutions and Return of the King, both of which are looking fantastic. 3) Some of the music was enjoyable, especially the little tune we heard in the teaser some time back. 4) Some of the set design was fantastic. 5) ONE moment was genuinely funny - involving some cute editing after a long tangent. Other than that, this movie was flat, unfunny, soulless, brutally misogynist, and completely, utterly pointless. It had all the emotional depth of a trip to the shitter and was a hell of a lot less enjoyable. Most videogames these days have more plot, better pacing, and more interesting characters. Let me sumarize the story for those who haven't seen it yet. ===== Uma moves to set piece A, tries viciously to murder someone. Brief interlude. Lengthy flashbacks concerning WHY she wants revenge - a single event that could have been reduced to five minutes of screen time. Uma moves to set piece B, gets sword. Lots of gay posturing set to music. Uma moves to set piece C, murders several people. Soap opera plot "twist". The end. ===== That's it. No witty banter (unless you consider "silly rabbit, tricks are for kids" to be witty), no clever twists, no enjoyable characters, just lots of fake blood, bad editing, and PISS poor writing with a 70's kitch vibe. It's a childish temper tantrum levelled at everyone the director ever was teased by when he lived with his mommy and worked at blockbuster. If this is what makes great cinema in Harry's book, then fuck him. This movie's an insult.

  • Oct. 7, 2003, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Ethandt

    by Halloween68

    You have to go into Cabin Fever with a sense of humor. If you don't, you won't like it. Hense, the comparisons in all the reviews to early Raimi and Jackson films. The whole thing is tongue and cheek. Didn't you notice all the tangents and abstract stereotypes? What I have trouble understanding is how people go into this thinking it's going to be a serious horror movie when you hear the synopsis of the thing, and then when they leave the film, they miss it entirely and think it was supposed to be a serious movie. I don't think I saw one frame of film in that whole movie that was meant to be taken entirely on the up and up. The only person I know who was totally creeped out about the thing as a straight up horror film was my girlfriend who studies deadly diseases for a living. She totally dug that aspect of it...saying for hours afterward: "It could happen". I don't know about that. I was too busy laughing my ass off to even think about the possibilities of the situation.

  • Oct. 7, 2003, 2:37 p.m. CST

    So what you are saying is

    by django_1

    empyreal0, I think what you are trying to say is you didn't like "Kill Bill Volume 1," and you would much prefer "Matrix: Revolution," and "LOTR: Return of the King." I am going to see all three, so I am with you on 2/3. I am sorry you had such a bad experience with "Kill Bill." Cookies and Milk?

  • Oct. 7, 2003, 4:04 p.m. CST

    No Epilogue in Portland, OR...

    by bunsonh

    I saw Kill Bill last night in Portland, OR and they didn't show the epilogue. About 100 of the 350 people there for the screening stayed to see the epilogue after the credits and were quite disappointed when it wasn't shown. I guess I now have a great reason to see it on Friday...

  • Oct. 7, 2003, 5:20 p.m. CST

    I saw Kill Bill a week ago at London Premiere

    by djciro

    and this film is fucking wickid. Anyone who says otherwise is a stupid twat. They know jack shit. And people who say this film isn't funny doesn't have a sense of humour or doesn't know what comedy is! The vibe from the crowd at the premiere was awsome!!! They loved it...and keep in mind that most of the ppl at this premiere were rich fucks and celebrities who were there to be seen rather then to see the film! The film is great and I definetely advise ppl to go and see it! You defintely won't want you

  • Oct. 8, 2003, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Dissident Reviews that Risked Execution by the Tarantino Nation

    by watashiwadare

    David Denby in Newyorker/http://newyorker.com/critics/cinema/?031013crci_cinema...quote: "In Quentin Tarantino

  • Oct. 8, 2003, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Collision Course Weekend

    by Jervis Tetch

    Kill Bill vs. Coen's Intolerable Cruelty vs. Clint's (masterpiece, they say)Mystic River. Different strokes for different folks, but who set this match-up?

  • Oct. 8, 2003, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Jay Leno Drunk Show Not being repeated

    by MST3KPIMP

    I was waiting this week to see the 2am repeat of last weeks drunken QT appearance but they seem to have convienatly avoided running it. It would seem someone spoke to someone.

  • Oct. 8, 2003, 3:19 p.m. CST

    On the rightness of opinions

    by mansala

    We agree that each of our opinions were formed on the basis of our experiences. For example, a cinematographer will look at a movie with a different set of criteria on which to judge it than that of a fan of the movie's genre. If one person says the movie sucks, and the other person says it rocks, does it make sense to assume that one and only one of them is correct? I think not.

  • Oct. 8, 2003, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Denby just remembers what it's like to have human thought proces

    by watashiwadare

    Weren't all these talkback guys outraged a few weeks ago over what they alleged reifenstahl to have perpetrated, pushing images without acknowledging their consequences? Does that criticism not apply when its their own favorite icon doing just that? Images and sensation without reference to anything at all. Fascinating sociological study.

  • Oct. 8, 2003, 7:27 p.m. CST

    film criticism

    by mansala

    By becoming informed a person can increase her chances of finding an original interpretation of a movie. Two are watching a movie, a cinematographer and a casual viewer. Without her specialized knowledge, without being so informed, the movie would not have inspired cinematographer to think of a new technique in cinematography. But being informed is not necessary; a person can be inspired through other means. The casual viewer is arrested by some of the movie's images due to their symbolic meaning. If both people wrote what the movie did for them, then I would say both opinions are valid. The sole purpose of art is to arrest and inspire the viewer's mind. To bring this about there is no right nor wrong way.

  • Oct. 8, 2003, 9:48 p.m. CST

    RE: rottentomatoes rating for KILL BILL

    by ChunkySoup

    KILL BILL is at 74%, with only 5 negative reviews. Most of them either weren't big Tarantino fans or are just complaining about the movie being split in half. I'm confident the percentage will go up as more reviews come in. Cannibal Nun shut the hell up.

  • Oct. 8, 2003, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill is at 74% fresh, but Reloaded was 73% fresh!

    by Silver Shamrock

    I think with Reloaded, few reviewers were honest enuff to call it crap. They all wanted to seem hip and with it. And of course QT is as "cool" as it gets culturally, right? It's not like he's an overexposed spaz or something..

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Well said, watashiwadare. Ganbate.

    by empyreal0

    Tarantino's ham-fisted, megalomaniacal ineptitude as a filmmaker, (or perhaps it's just apathy, whichever), is an insult to everyone's intelligence. Had anyone actually not considered the fact that film is an illusion? He's abandoned all sense of storytelling for mindless spectacle; in the place of plot, characterization, and theme, he's put blood spatters, flying limbs, rape, and the ubiquitous slow-motion walk put to music. And honestly, it's mind-numbingly boring. QT seems to have missed the boat because he never lets us get close enough his characters to give a shit about them. If someone did or didn't die in this movie, it didn't matter. Someone gets hacked up and chewed to pieces? QT's attitude that pervades the film: "Who gives a shit?" What is even more apalling, however, is the willingness of so many people to claim the emperor has any clothes. I am baffled to see terms like "visionary" thrown around as if we hadn't seen this sort of juvenile bloodbath done before. Frankly, we've seen it done better. Evil Dead II comes to mind. Even if it WAS new, how does it amount to any sort of advancement? Maybe I don't get it, but hey - I'm willing to listen. Can anyone tell me what the hell is so brilliant? Is it simply the fact that he's "daring" enough to show such "shocking" imagery? If that's all it is, I'm not impressed.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 3:24 a.m. CST

    A lot more fun when it was Mony Python and the Holy Grail

    by watashiwadare

    that made me laugh

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 3:26 a.m. CST

    MonTy Python

    by watashiwadare

    I could go watch that Friday. Holy Grail--There's a 5 star movie.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill just not very good, more like Kill Swill

    by johnquay

    I saw it last night at a free advance screening here in Philadelphia. Gentlemen and ladies (there are some ladies here, yes?), this movie is a big step BACKWARD for Tarantino, after it looked like he was growing up with Jackie Brown. Instead of the real characters and touching adult romance of his last movie, this is a retreat to totally meaningless spectacle THAT ISN'T EVEN THAT SPECTACULAR. The story doesn't have the primal strength of classic Leone, it's just simplistic: woman gets destroyed to within inch of her life, revives and comes back to kick bigtime ass. That's it. In fact, by the time I realized that Tarantino was telling the "story" out of sequence (yes, the Bride actually goes to Japan *before* she goes to Vivica Fox's house), I couldn't have cared less, because there's practically no story anyway. There was no mystery for me to the Bride's back story, or that of any of her targets, because Tarantino hasn't written anything to make a thinking audience care what they've been up to. (Okay, they killed people, now it's their turn to die...wow.) And I have very bad news for those of you anticipating as-yet-undreamed-of acts of violence...there ain't any. Is there any point any more, in the year 2003 to over the top violence? We went over the top years and years ago, didn't we, in Evil Dead 2 and Brain Dead and Reanimator? I didn't feel anything but boredom after the sixth decapitation and the 19th spurting aorta here...so I am truly sad to say that the House of Blue Leaves sequence isn't a showstopper...it's a show-killer...the goddam thing goes on so long that Tarantino is forced to switch styles, from color to black and white, then to an idiotic sillhouette sequence that looks one of those dance segments on Oscar night (yeah, you heard me), just to keep you from drifting off. And here's the worst thing, that really proves Tarantino is no artist: whenever this movie DOES get close to relating to the real world, whenever the violence does threaten to remind you of the genuine awfulness and lingering trauma of experiencing sudden death, Kill Bill puts its tail between its legs and runs. I'm especially talking about the handling of the child in the first major scene (UH, POSSIBLE SPOILERS HERE), after Vivica Fox's daughter witnesses the mother's death. Just watch how Tarantino wimps out of any real emotional connection to this child. Disgusting!! Or are we supposed to assume that the little girl will grow up to to become another vengeful supercool killer like O-Ren Ishi, and, you know, ain't it cool? Because who wants to think about what it would be REALLY LIKE for an ACTUAL child in our world to witness such a horrible event? Oh, and Harry, no matter what you say, QT just plain steals, once again, from his favorite flicks, and I'm just not impressed. The long digression from "Wiggle your big toe" to O-Ren's story then back (actually, one of the more effective things in the damn movie) is from Lionel Stander's "story interruptus" gag in Once Upon a Time in the West. And "I'm Buck and I like to fuck" is from the opening of (the underappreciated) Eaten Alive. Yeah, I like cult films too, Harry...and I think Kill Bill is rancid and panic-stricken. Only glad I saw it for free. My two yen.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 10:06 a.m. CST

    PS...........

    by johnquay

    http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0074455/quotes

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 10:11 a.m. CST

    The VCD is out! http://www.vcdquality.com/image.php?id=20388

    by minderbinder

    Sorry Quentin...maybe I'll pay for the next one...

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 4:12 p.m. CST

    spot blown

    by smutpeddlar

    people who know, know.

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 8:42 p.m. CST

    I saw Kill Bill Last night at an Advanced Screening

    by Tarantinofan

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 8:45 p.m. CST

    I saw Kill Bill Last night at an advanced Screening

    by Tarantinofan

    Ok, that movie was fucking amazing. The song in the intro of the movie is fucking unbelievable and it fits the beginning perfectly. I was amazed by the violence. I encourage everyone to go see this movie, whether you are a tarantino fan or not. This movie kicks so much fucking ass. I am going to see it again like 5 times this weekend. Later, Kevin

  • Oct. 9, 2003, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Austin premiere report w/ Gordon Liu

    by MonkeyKungFu

    I posted my Kill Bill partial experience here including Gordon's Q&A (w/ a pic of me and Gordon Liu) at Austin Regional Premiere and somehow ended up sitting next to one of the 3rd unit directors for the movie Texas Dave (which I guess Harry also knows): http://www.mhvf.net/forum/asian/posts/108223108245334.html During the violent parts of the movie people were openly GASPING w/ cries of "OHHHH MYYYYY" - while at the same time others were laughing out loud hysterically (Close to tears)... and yet other people all around were openly dancing in their movie chairs to the music... all of this colliding at the same moment provided an interesting movie going experience. Also loved the Red Apple cameo. When I cut class to see Pulp Fiction opening day years ago I swore an oath to see everything *movie* QT and Avary ever touched. The only negative for Kill Bill for me was during the House of Blue Leaves scene there appeared what I guess was a digital stamp - 5 red dots imposed suddenly for 1 1/2 seconds on pure white screen centered (someone afterwards told me that studios now put on film prints of movies to track them from bootlegging digital stamps)... and this stamp was so obvious and out of place it took me out of the movie for a bit. I hope in the future that studios (if this is the case) will put this digital stamp in a much less obvious fashion. I don't want anything taking me out of a movie.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 3:39 a.m. CST

    just saw the movie....

    by antmanx68

    it was alright, it had moments of coolness, but overall it wasnt all that interesting to me. Even though you see all this terrible shit happenning to the bride, this movie never can muster up enough punch to have it be called a revenge film. Its not as smart or beautifully random as pulp fiction and the action is ALL over the top and corny (which i know was intended at times) but Uma looks like shit half the time with a sword and the wirework blew....... See it once, then maybe one time when it comes on DVD, but dont let this site fool you, its not beautiful cinema and its will not "let you know how people must have felt watching the original star wars trilogy". Oh and by the way, i dont give a fuck why QT made this movie, i dont care if he thought it all up cuz he wanted to or wether studio execs had a hand in it, it doesnt fucking matter, if you make a movie and put it in theaters be prepared to have people bash it. "Tarintino didnt make this movie for us, he made it for himself." well, he can keep it, its mediocre.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:48 a.m. CST

    How is Peter Jackson screwing his fans?

    by Conan_the_Humble

    By advertising MONTHS in advance that he would be releasing 2 versions of his films on DVD? The only ones who "screw" their fans are Production companies who release DVD's and then release a "Special" edition months later WITHOUT telling anybody of their plans. PJ gives YOU choice, that is important and definitely refreshing. Besides no-one forces anyone to buy both DVD's if you want to wait for the SE, at least you know exactly when it's coming. Cheers.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:57 a.m. CST

    4 stars from Ebert

    by Blacklist

    Very nice, but what the heck was up with his snide little popshot at Limbaugh on ESPN? Are we reviewing Kill Bill or Rush Limbaugh here? I suppose if someone writes in to tell him he's misguided in reviewing other things than movies, he'll respond by saying 'Do not try to silence me!' He does this all the time, like with his review of Gods and Generals.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 12:50 p.m. CST

    What is this epilouge Harry speaks of? (Spoiler)

    by brassmonkey48

    I saw a screening of Kill Bill at the theatre I work at...Harry's review led me to believe that there was an epilouge after the credits, but there was nothing...was it just the end of the movie when SPOILER SPOILER Bill mentions that Uma's child is still alive?

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 12:56 p.m. CST

    The cut I saw had the "epilogue" after only a couple credits, so

    by minderbinder

    So yes, you did see it.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 3:37 p.m. CST

    You're a douchebag

    by Mieskie

    Splitting a film in two is excremental. I wouldn't pay 12 cents to see this pic even if it were the greatest piece of cinema going. Know why? Because you aren't getting to see the flick. You are only getting half, you dickweed. This isn't LOTR. Hell, it ain't even Rush Hour 1 & 2, which were lousy but were at least two different films. No, this is one film split in two for no reason having to do with money. This is disgusting, and anyone who pays to see this film will only encouraging that rotten, stinking douchebag named Harvey to do it again. Fuck Quentin. He's a great filmmaker, but going along with this shit makes him also a sellout asswipe. And fuck Harry, too, for buying into this horseshit and not railing against it. You must have six pounds of Quentin's shit on the end of your nose, Harry. I wouldn't pay to see another film of his even if Uma was going to come down off the screen and blow me. Well, maybe if she blew me. But that's it.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 3:58 p.m. CST

    The Bride Wore Black

    by Hal2814

    Since everything under the sun seems to filter through the pop culture sponge that is Taratino's brain and end up in his movies, I just wanted to point out that the late, Great CORNELL WOOLRICH wrote a white-hot little gem of a novel in 1940 entitled THE BRIDE WORE BLACK, about a woman who is widowed on her wedding day and subsequently tracks down and kills the five people she holds responsible. Woolrich was a master of suspense (from who Hitchcock created REAR WINDOW) who belongs firmly in the company of Raymond Chandler, James M. Cain and Jim Thompson but who seems sadly forgotten by today's audiences. Knowing his obsession for t.v. and film, I doubt that Tarantino ever read a paragraph by Woolrich but he probably saw Francois' Truffut's 1967 film version of BRIDE (which, unfortunately, lacked the sucker-punch of the novel's twist ending) and years later, KILL BILL was born. With all the hub-bub over Tarantino's latest opus, I just wanted to give a shout-out to a great, gritty writer who, (in the words of Ray Bradbury himself)"deserves to be rediscovered by each generation". If "Kill Bill" can turn just a few people onto the rain-washed noir streets of Cornell Woolrich's prose, I'd be a happy camper. CORNELL WOOLRICH, 1903-1968, R.I.P.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 4:15 p.m. CST

    GRREAT!!

    by django_1

    Allow me to retort. Self-indulgent: Not in the least. Violent: Clearly not real (not like the impact of the Normandy beach carnage in "Saving Private Ryan",) Not repulsive atall. I am taking my 11yr old niece and 9yr old nephew to see it (The only line I would like to cover their ears would be "I am Buck and I am here to .... ") Thin plot line: Waddaya expect, it is a straight up revenge (not testosterone, but estrogen.) No empathy for the bride: We are not supposed to (the only thing we understand is her partners in crime messed her up real bad, but they have some kind of 'criminal code' (maybe for example, once you are in the gang you CAN'T leave. She is out to get them back, or die trying. She has nothing to lose, her baby is dead; but she ain

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Disappointing

    by Rupee88

    Just saw Kill Bill...it's better than most Hollywood produced bullshit, but it is hit and miss for the most part....some cool scenes, but just not compelling overall. Tarantino shot his wad with Pulp Fiction and has little left to offer at this point. The movie just seemed too forced and too calculated and seemed more like a parody than an original work. But again, better than most Hollywood films.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill Is Style Over Content

    by genrefanboy

    Saw it a few hours ago. Cinema was packed in fact they even have sold out signs for the rest of today's performances so I should imagine it will have a huge opening gross. Unfortunately the movie is all style and no content. Dialogue (what little there is of it) is unmemorable. approx 50% is in subtitles (unless you speak japanese). The biggest problem I had was that I just felt uninvolved in the whole thing. It started off well but after about 20 mins I was waiting for it to go to the next level and it never ever did. The much hyped gore was a let down (as was the music). WTF why on earth was the gore in B&W. It was no worse than Evil Dead2 or Starship Troopers. The House Of Blue Leaves was also a major letdown, is that IT was what I felt when it was all over. If you have seen the 2 trailers for KB then that is ALL the best bits I'm afraid. A major disappointment unless Vol2 is a work of pulp fiction like genius.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 4:59 p.m. CST

    NO FUCKING EPILOGUE IN HOLLY-FUCKING-WOOD

    by dillPickle

    what gives? i saw the first showing. maybe the projectionist forgot?

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 5:15 p.m. CST

    As has been already said, the epilogue is there, they just moved

    by minderbinder

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 5:21 p.m. CST

    DONKNOTTS, go back to Mayberry!!!!

    by Orange Brat

    Ain't Bee wants her crack pipe back and is a-lookin' for ya!!!!

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 5:34 p.m. CST

    OK, those who've seen the flick...just so I'm clear on this...

    by XTheCrovvX

    For the record, liked the film, liked it a lot...however, because I was so determined to walk into this flick unbiased, I had no idea from anybody online that there was stuff (or supposed to be, anyway) after the credits....I walked out when the "Written By Quentin Tarantino" credit came up....so about this epilogue....in non-spoiler terms....are we talking about the "Does she know" snippet of dialogue, or is there something else that I missed and will now have to plop down another 9 bucks to see? (Not that I'd mind :-) ).

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Yep, the "does she know" part IS the epilogue.

    by minderbinder

    You didn't miss it. Sleep easy.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Fluffer: You're grasping at penises, here.

    by Mosquito March

    I mean, straws. Where, in my posts, did I say I *couldn't* afford to see/buy movies that are released in multiple formats? I said I *wouldn't* pay to see them because what the perpetrators are trying to pull. (This renders redundant your automated response of "don't buy them", leaving it simply an exercise in being a prick.) In your overly-obnoxious rush to be "right" about everything, Fluffy, I've noticed you like to put words or situations in peoples' mouths. That's bad policy for the winning of arguments. Doubly so, if you intend to be psychotically ramming your apparently average-or-larger-than-average-sized penis into another male's word-filled mouth.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 6:01 p.m. CST

    tarantino stole the c/u on uma's eyes

    by trkane

    in the house of blue leaves scene straight from zoolander! give in to the power of the tea!

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 6:07 p.m. CST

    django: the plot of the second movie...

    by empyreal0

    Uma continues slaughtering almost incessantly until she finally meets up with Bill, and probably gets killed at the end. And like before, it will take an hour and a half, and 50,000 gallons of fake blood to tell this tale. I guarantee there will no surprises, no witty dialogue, no purpose, no meaning, just brainless spectacle. Don't waste your money. Now I'll bet you're thinking I was offended by the violence, which I wasn't. I've made my own such mindless spectacles back in my youth with a stop-motion camera and lots of modelling clay (a good deal of it red). The thing is, I've moved on, grown up, and prefer movies that were crafted with care and intelligence. Fake-looking bloody spectacle hasn't been amusing since I was 12. What offends me, or perhaps simply saddens me, is the tendancy of the general population to debase themselves by stooping to lick the boots of a pretentious, egomaniacal hack like QT. Am I jealous? Certainly not. I would despise being glorified for something in which I have an absolute vacuum of talent, and thus, I have no envy for his position. I am just sad to see continued evidence that ours is not a meritocratic world.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Epilogue

    by Kegboy

    Okay, sorry, but anyone who didn't see "Does she know..." coming a mile away is a fucking retard. I never read the script, didn't know much of anything about the film, and I still saw it coming about 15 seconds in.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 7:24 p.m. CST

    "The New Yorker" reviews Kill Bill

    by greatczersghost

    ""Kill Bill" is what's formally known as decadence and commonly known as crap. It will doubtless cause enormous excitement among the kind of pop archivists for whom the merest reference to a Run Run Shaw kung-fu picture from 1977 is delcisiously naughty---a frisson de scholck that, for them, replaces any other vital response to a movie." This movie looks like Tarantino's self-congratulatory narcissism has reached a brand new level. I'll laugh if it bombs and be completely unsurprised if it is hugely popular. Either way, I'll be skipping it.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:50 p.m. CST

    missing scenes?!

    by sweetestbaboon

    Hey kids- I seemed to have missed two senes in the flick (just saw it- loved it, by the way!)- The first, I think, was a problem with the theatrre in which I saw it. Something seemed to missing (or mebbe not...) In the "House of Blue Leaves", I saw Uma standing at the bar in her motorcycle gear, & then quick cut to the young Japanese assassin girl (y'know, the mace wielder) running out of the room & Uma's now clinging to the ceiling & there's some sort of dart in the door. Did not see how dart got there, what prompted girl to run out to check & how Uma ended up in the rafters... Did I miss a scene?! Or just bad editing? Help! If I did miss something, can someone please describe it? Gracias! Secondly, there's a quick clip in the trailer of Uma fightin' an old guy who jumps up & balances on her sword.. Where was that?! Help again! Thanks, all you freaks & geeks- yer info. is mucho appreciated- sweetestbaboon

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:53 p.m. CST

    i liked it.

    by breadthief

    this movie was so much fun, i loved it. its definately not pulp fiction, but it rocked my socks off. i had so much fun watching this, and the music was great. everyone here is listing the same reasons for why it's bad. and by no means are you asked to watch it. if you go into a movie with an expectation that it will be bad, then you will spend the entire movie finding what you hate. if you go into it not knowing what to expect, it really does make your heart beat faster and make you want to yell with joy! to everyone who hated it, too bad, go watch under the tuscan sun. for those of you who loved it, woo hoo, woo hoo hoo.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Missing scenes

    by BillEmic

    Someone will probably get to this before me - but - it sounds like your theatre's print jumped at least a few seconds because they do show Lucy Lui "sense/hear" Uma's presence, she throws a dart at her, it rips through the hall, and she tells GoGo to check it out. However, we do not see Uma climb up into the rafters, she is just there. By the way, this movie friggin rocks and why anyone continues to slam on it or tear it apart relentlessly is just...beyond me. This is a raw, brutal, and inspiring piece of film that bucks nearly every current movie trend and stands on its own as one of the best films in the last several years. Forget Revolutions - it's KB Volume II that is the most awaited.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Sweetestbaboon

    by Anomaly

    Spoilers..........Uma walks up and is standing outside of the sliding doors when they cut to Lucy as she senses something/someone and pulls out a dart and throws it through the doors. Then Go-Go is sent out to see who is there and the camera pans up to see Uma on the ceiling but we don't see her climb up there or anything. Secondly that old man jumping on her sword is from Volume 2 and likely takes place in the one month that it took Hanzo to make Uma's sword - her training. Oh and Kill Bill rocked. Amazing opening had my heart racing, anime sequence was incredible, music was so damn good and the house of blue leaves fight owned especially the part with the blue lighting.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Unashamed Joy.

    by django_1

    emptyrealo, kegboy, greatczersghost, the debate is O V E R. The movie is out and you folks are still trying to bash it. Read this CLEARLY. IT IS JUST A MOVIE: A KICKASS ACTION MOVIE, Done spectacularly, and MASTERFULLY. Can't you folks just live with that. This is a FUN movie. A wide cross section of America and the worldwide audiences WILL LOVE IT. Quentin Tarantino has given us a cinematic joy, no matter how many critics say it is 'empty.' He certainly CANNOT and SHOULD NOT please everyone. The voices in filmmaking are broad and wide; he is just only ONE of them. Enjoy the movies YOU like. I happen to really like "Kill Bill: Vol 1" and it has now replaced "Finding Nemo" as my #1 film for 2003. Oh, I have seen "Lost in Translation" and loved that too. See ya, at the movies. ;-)

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:08 p.m. CST

    WARNING: POTENTIAL VOLUME 2 SPOILER

    by breadthief

    well, about halfway through the movie, when the bride just got sonny chiba's sad story about how swords kill blah blah. i was wondering, who was the groom? well. being a curious ninny that i am, i stumbled upon this picture looking for volume 2 details. ni never read the script, i think thats lame it ruins a story, so maybe this is already a well known fact. but http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~hzwicker/Prelude.jpg got me wondering (copy and paste if you need to) hmm. maybe thats why the cops never mentioned the groom getting murdered, unless they did and i missed that detail. but it seems like a very serene picture, she seems enamored by him, not angry or scared. plus, why would bill keep his little epilogue secret at the end if this wasn't the case. this kindof makes me mad he split the movie. bah. lame. another gripe is the old chinese/japanese guy in the trailer standing on her sword. that wasnt in volume 1...they shouldnt have advertised it.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 10:19 p.m. CST

    As good as Reload....and I'm Serious!!!!

    by iamarayya

    Its was good but the quick editing hinted that the stars were not as good as real martial artist in movies. Crouching Tiger had better Sword Fighting, Wo Pings best work. He did do a gooooooooooooooooood job in this movie and not recycleing any of his privious choreography on camera.

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill

    by Groovyboy!

    Good movie. Good fucking movie. I'm completely nuts and I feel like I've been sexually abused. This is the new addition on the favorite top five lists of a lot of people. Beautiful scenery, music, cinematography, editing, and stunt work. The acting was decent... I hope this gets fucking noticed. Good fucking movie. Virtually yours, Ash Blaze

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 11:42 p.m. CST

    BREADTHIEF on your SPOILER

    by 81666

    that's towards the end of the movie, before she does some kung-fu bullshit and hits him in a soft spot and kills him ala the bad guy in kiss of the dragon. she gets her daughter and heads for the hills. THE END. btw: SPOILER ABOVE

  • Oct. 10, 2003, 11:59 p.m. CST

    epilogue

    by Superturd

    I stayed until after the credits because of what you said. I made all of my friends grudgingly stay. Low and behold, A MIRAMAX FILM plants at the center of the screen. Cut to black, lights come up. My friends were at my throat. First I figured it was a bad tip, and they re-edited it into earlier in the movie. But then i attributed it to the theatre's incompetence. If someone could tell me what happens, that would be cool. BTW, movie+review kick ass.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Just got back from Kill Bill, my first impressions

    by Joey Russo

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 12:29 a.m. CST

    topic above

    by Joey Russo

    Just got back from the movie, and once again I was very impressed by QT's dialouge. The fight scenes were incredible. I was a little underwhelmed by the dialouge, which was no Pulp Fiction, but oh hell this film was about action and gore. I loved the way it was put together, the style is awesome, I just wished that it wasn't split in half.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:13 a.m. CST

    What a sh__bird!

    by dirkpitt1972

    Has Harry ever met a movie he didn't fall in love with? This is sad.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Far Overhyped

    by Sro100

    Left me quite empty.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Anyone else notice the RED DOTS?

    by UncleScrewtape

    ...those REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING RED DOTS THAT POPPED UP? i think there are some sort of new pirating prevention or something. but these red dots came up like 88 or 9 times, i shit you not (when Uma was in the bathroom, during her end fight scene it came up like 3 times). it was so annoying. it also came up during intolerable crulety. although in that movie they werent small dots, they huge and took up the whole screen. i'm not making this up what gives?!?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:32 a.m. CST

    my 2 cents

    by UncleScrewtape

    this movie kicked my nuts into my throat. i dont see how anyone could have left the theater feeling "empty" (what movie did you see?) I havent seen blood flow like that since Jacksons "dead alive", it literally rained blood for fucks sake. the crimson flowed like fake studio rain. as far a part one of a 2 part movie this was so far beyond Reloaded. this was, so far, the best movie released all year. Thank you QT.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:36 a.m. CST

    RE: the red dots

    by v1cious

    it's the MPAA's new method for tracking pirated movies

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill

    by Darth Thoth

    WOW! What a great freakin' film! I can't wait to see it again.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 2:04 a.m. CST

    In my theater their was two load beeps just Vivica daughter came

    by iamarayya

    Anyone else notice them cause I saw the red dots too

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Stayed till after the credits

    by SLEAZY DINOSAUR

    And nothing happened except for the lights coming on, so what was it that I missed?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:20 a.m. CST

    why Harry why?

    by sneakstyle2000

    I loved Kill Bill and truth be told I like Harry. But is there anyway he can write a review that dosn't make me want to hate the movie.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:26 a.m. CST

    by Starbuck1975

    I cannot agree with Harry on his review that this movie is the end all be all of geek film. I think a great disservice was done in cutting the film into two parts, as the flow of Kill Bill Volume 1 suffers from the same problems with Once Upon A Time in Mexico. A film with lots of pretty set pieces and interesting sequences, but as a whole just is not as good as the sum of its parts. I loved Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction...not because I recognized them as genius of geekdom, but simply because they were fresh and original. Tarantino definitely has a passion for film, and I respect his artistic endeavors at a time when studios are cookie cutting sequels and films by some money making formula...yet even Tarantino is suffering from some creative ingenuity in this film. Harry makes mention of the many influences Tarantino emulates in this film, and I cant help but feel that he took all the cool bits of different films he admires, put them in a blender and out came Kill Bill. The funny thing is that each chapter of the film in and of itself is quite good...but the flow between chapters is terrible. The only common thread is Uma Thurman's quest for revenge, yet we have no idea who she is, why her former partners killed her, etc. etc. The initial hospital sequence and suburban home knife fight between Black Mamba and Copperhead had the same feel as Pulp Fiction...the dialog, off tempo humor and uber cool feel...with the soundtrack again serving as a perfect backdrop for the action. Yet at the same time totally outlandish...Uma Thurman is in a coma for four years, and in a matter of hours regains all her strength and martial arts skills...please spare me!!! Then comes the Lucy Lui anime back story...really cool and certainly interesting, but totally out of place in the film...I guess because EVERYONE loves anime, they just had to throw it in as the lead in to the Japan sequence. I have an idea...lets stereotype Japanese people as bumbling idiots...Uma Thurman goes and visits Yoda, I mean a ninja master sword maker who initially comes across as a goofy buffoon (again shades of Yoda), and gets training and a lightsaber, I mean katana, to exact her revenge. Then the movie becomes a Kung Fu ninja something or other with over the top violence, and Uma Thurman fighting off more Crazy 88 footsoldiers then is humanly possible...the blood fountain effect was funny once or twice, but they went wayyyyyy over the top with decapitated heads, limbs and other body parts. I wasnt sure whether this was supposed to be serious or a joke. Then comes Uma Thurman against like 100 bad guys...we already saw this sequence once in Matrix Reloaded...our hero fighting off dozens of villains...even the anime sequence reaks of the Matrix anime collection. And the fight scene between Uma Thurman and Lucy Lui...picturesque, but totally lacking in any intensity...Lucy Lui is supposed to be this badass warrior, but it might as well have been Charlie's Angels Three...Ninja Bugaloo. The only part of the Japan sequence that was fun is the badass school girl with the ball and chain, who obviously possesses way more martial arts skill then Uma Thurman, and can totally kick her ass in real life. Then comes the cliffhanger ending...Uma Thurman's baby is still alive??? And when did the Insane Viper Assasin Ninja whatever the hell they were called have time to deliver the baby...was it after they shot her...please!!! This movie is a compilation of things we have already seen before...hero betrayed and nearly killed but thought dead, only to exact revenge on those responsible...already saw it in a little Mel Gibson flick called "Payback"...kung fu ninja katana fights...infinitely better in "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon"...femme fatales fighting in skimpy outfits..."Charlie's Angels"...over the top kung fu fighting with actors who obviously possess no martial arts talent..."Matrix" Sorry Harry, but it seems you absolutely gush over any film where the director gives you unlimited access to the set...faults you found in Matrix Reloaded and Once Upon A Time In Mexico are just as present in Kill Bill, yet you overlook them because Tarantino is your "buddy." Sigh.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:46 a.m. CST

    I loved it.

    by Psyclops

    It was wild and it was hardcore. The film isn't completely without heart but it's intention isn't really to make you sympathize with The Bride. This is cold, hard vengeance, simple as that. I think it works perfectly and is obviously a love letter to all of Quentin's favorite genres. Bring on Volume II.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:48 a.m. CST

    iamarayya

    by Psyclops

    Those 'beeps' were put in there on purpose so that we couldn't hear Uma Thurman's name in the movie. She's just known as The Bride.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Quentin is soooo over-rated

    by superdavit

    What is it with people sucking up to Quintin like he's some sort of movie-making God? I don't get it. On a side note, I hate that this film is being dubbed as "QT 4th film". BIG F'ing DEAL! So what. Have we all be secretely waiting patiently for this? Why? Because Pulp Fiction was really cool and the other two movies were eh, forgettable. He got lucky and he's been riding that success ever since and for some reason, all these wannabe filmmakers embrace him for it. I've never seen a "Spielberg's 17th movie" or anyone else for that matter, because they don't strive for that sort of desperate attention. I just got back from watching Kill Bill Vol. 1, and I don't ever remember coming out of the theater from such a hyped-up movie and being soooo let down and angry. I mean seriously angry AND bored. What a lack-luster story. Girl gets shot and goes on to seek revenge that supposedly builds up for 1 1/2 hours for a finale fight scene that I've seen before, and it was called Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Except they decided to toss in spuring blood. I didn't even like CTHD that much but I've never seen such a blatant rip off before in my life. And for all those people who ripped on the Matrix: Reloaded and don't have the nerve to say anything bad about a "Quintin film", shame on you. What a piece of disappointing crap. At least the Matrix 2 tried to push filmmaking in a new direction, as opposed to simply copying another film a few months prior. Quintin, I hope your supposed reign is over and honestly, I'm speechless at Harry's review of this movie. I cannot find the words to describe how wrong he is. I know this is his site and opinion, but what the hell! If anyone can give me ONE, ONE original, inspired idea in this movie, please step forward and make your point. Otherwise let Vol. 2 go straight to video for God's sake. I'm superdavit, and I'm out.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Quentin is soooo over-rated

    by superdavit

    What is it with people sucking up to Quintin like he's some sort of movie-making God? I don't get it. On a side note, I hate that this film is being dubbed as "QT 4th film". BIG F'ing DEAL! So what. Have we all be secretely waiting patiently for this? Why? Because Pulp Fiction was really cool and the other two movies were eh, forgettable. He got lucky and he's been riding that success ever since and for some reason, all these wannabe filmmakers embrace him for it. I've never seen a "Spielberg's 17th movie" or anyone else for that matter, because they don't strive for that sort of desperate attention. I just got back from watching Kill Bill Vol. 1, and I don't ever remember coming out of the theater from such a hyped-up movie and being soooo let down and angry. I mean seriously angry AND bored. What a lack-luster story. Girl gets shot and goes on to seek revenge that supposedly builds up for 1 1/2 hours for a finale fight scene that I've seen before, and it was called Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Except they decided to toss in spuring blood. I didn't even like CTHD that much but I've never seen such a blatant rip off before in my life. And for all those people who ripped on the Matrix: Reloaded and don't have the nerve to say anything bad about a "Quintin film", shame on you. What a piece of disappointing crap. At least the Matrix 2 tried to push filmmaking in a new direction, as opposed to simply copying another film a few months prior. Quintin, I hope your supposed reign is over and honestly, I'm speechless at Harry's review of this movie. I cannot find the words to describe how wrong he is. I know this is his site and opinion, but what the hell! If anyone can give me ONE, ONE original, inspired idea in this movie, please step forward and make your point. Otherwise let Vol. 2 go straight to video for God's sake. I'm superdavit, and I'm out.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill, a releif that its wonderful

    by monorail77

    I went in thinking, "its either going to be something I've never seen before and knock my socks off, just like Pulp Fiction did" or "its going to be the worst case of head-up-his-own-ass, navel-gazing, self-indulgent hype-tripe that QT has ever been involved in." I'm happy and releived to report that my socks have been thoroughly blown off. I'm not a b-move/fung-fu film/ anime (etc etc) geek like Harry and others here. I don't know what QT is referencing or paying homage to or whatever. And I don't care. This film is great to me, because its unlike anything I've seen. I suspect its unlike anything any of the movie buffs have seen too. Its new, its fresh, its very skilled, and I loved it. I was dismayed going in about the reports of too much blood and gore (not that this type of thing offends me) but the spurting blood reminded me strongly of Python's "Holy Grail" Highly stylized, and just right. The anime sequence was stunning and just perfectly placed in the story. My only complaint about the filkm is that some moments linger too long. Three places jump out 1. when Uma cries over her lost baby 2. when Uma lingers over the displayed katana blades 3. the giant sized pause during the Uma vs Lucy Liu fight. In each of thse places, QT WAS being self indulgent and too in love with his own "moment". He didn't earn any of the lingering in those scenes and each could have benefitted from at least 5 to 10 seconds of trimming (which is actually a lot of screen time). But that complaint is minor compared to the virtuosity of the rest of the film. Kudos QT!! About splitting the film into 2 parts - just right!! Clearly this was done for artistic reasons. How could you argue otherwise? The film is the right length, even a little long in places. If QT was to cram the whole story into one sitting, we would hate this movie. It would just be too much. As it is, the pace is great, and our anticipation is built for the next installment which, if QT continues to be the gifted filmmaker he has shown himself to be thus far, will be not merely a repeat of the first film, but will be new and fresh and groundbreaking all over again. Can't wait!!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Perfect. Absolute.

    by shogunpoker

    Movies don't get any better then this! After sitting through TRASH like Underworld, along comes a movie that seems to have been made specifically for me. It boggles my mind when people trash QT films. I liked a lot of the summer action flicks, Reloaded, Bad Boys 2, T4, but they were easily forgotten. Harry's review is right on. The time and care that went into each sequence is obvious. Even if you hate his films, it's undeniable that he loves cinema. He has crafted a beautiful work of art that lingers in your mind long after you've left the theatre.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 5:56 a.m. CST

    What a bunch of jaded-ass shit.

    by goatron1

    Yeah, I was a little underwhelmed after seeing the trailers and whatnot. But after ACTUALLY SEEING this flick tonight I take it all back. Kill Bill is one of the most gleefully crafted films I have ever been witness to. Does QT beg, borrow and steal in the movie? Hell yes! This movie could only have been made now, if only to show the weakness of all the other lame-ass A-list upscale borrowings that regularly pollute the theaters these days. Oh yeah, someone said something along the lines of QT throwing a buch of A-list actors into a B movie and that we all immediatly hail him a genuis? Someone call David Carradine's agent quick!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Oh My Goodness!

    by Richie_Gecko

    Well...I finally got to see Kill Bill tonight...and...I have a question for you guys. Why do you think this film is getting such mixed reviews? Some reviewers are giving it 4 stars and calling it a masterpiece, while others are giving it 0 or 1 and calling it "trash". Personlly, I think this film is awesome, and proves yet again the versatility of Quentin's film-making abilities. Hell...it may be the best film to hit theatres in years.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 6:05 a.m. CST

    superdavit...

    by Richie_Gecko

    You think Reservoir Dogs and Jackie Brown are forgettable? What planet are you on? Ask people what their favorite QT movie is (pre Kill Bill) and I guarantee you plenty of people will name Reservoir Dogs. As for Jackie Brown, it may not have been as widely accepted as Miramax would have liked...but it was not forgettable to those of us who enjoy and appreciate well-made films.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Re: Stayed till after the credits

    by TheManInBlack

    Yeah! WTF? They show us the cliffhanger line Bill utters right before the credits roll and then I had to sit there and find out nothing more than who the friggin' caterer was while squirming in my seat from the large coke I drank 90 minutes ago! My bladder hates you Harry! Worst. Tip. Off. Ever!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Awesome movie

    by JiggamanSpence

    Harry has not just been jerking tarantino off like i thought he was...the flick really is that good. Go see it, then go see it again. Pump some money into this bitch so we get more movies like it.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Red dots and beeps

    by antmanx68

    Yep i saw the red dots too, several times in the film there was an arrangement of 4 dots that were in a diamond shape that looked like little burn marks on the film, and they were very hard to notice for some people. Also i think the beeps were them bleeping out the bride's actual name, as a cool way of saying "she's just...... the bride" I'd perfer that the characters had cooler names like in pulp fiction. Jewls, Vincent Vega, Tony Rockyhorror, the gimp......... green mountain cottonmouth mambo snake and all that shit just came out as so corny and not creative, if I was writing this script when i was 5 years old thats what i would have named these gals. And i dont care what style of vintage cinema he is alluding to, the names sucked as did a lot of this movie......... just be original! like you were in Pulp Fiction.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Wow, What a waste of 10 bucks..PLAIN AND SIMPLE

    by Rcamacho2278

    Theres a few things I wanna say. First to those comparing the fight scenes to Matrix Reloaded. Yeah you have to give credit to uma thurman for her fight scenes but the main diffrence with matrix reloaded and any other damn film is that Neo, Morpheus, Trinity all had to do long extended fight scenes and it was ALL them. Uma thurman did those moves but they were cut from scene to scene so don't even try comparing. The fights with weapons was way better choreagraphed than her fighting a buncha guys with swords.In FACT that scene was better done in crouching tiger hidden dragon, but in order to make it more exciting they add decapitations and gore. So all you reviewers sound like little kids who just played grand theft auto 3 for the first time while us adults moved on from the silly gore and actually want real story. Tarantino opened up his big mouth about matrix and how its ruining the art, how jealous is that. Yeah his film pays hommage to old shaw brother type films, but he forgot one stinkin thing, Those old tales had deep stories. The matrix had an original concept with real style. You gonna see people in orange jump suits? nope, but you WILL still see people with sunglasses and trenchcoats. The movie was seriously NOTHING like what harry gushed about. The artistic value? WHERE??? Crouching tiger hidden dragon was way more beautiful, and the fight scene against oren ishi was like 2 kids banging toy swords at each other. WAY overrated,

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:21 a.m. CST

    How many times do people have to ask the same fucking question??

    by minderbinder

    It happens pretty often, it's not that big a deal.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill is f* Fantastic

    by Calimex

    Beleive it or not I am a 46 yr. old hispanic female who absolutly loves martial art movies. I have for years watched the old and new with and with subtitles. This was absoultutly the best. I loved the opening nod to the Shaw brothers and all the old films in the opening sceens. I totally agree it was a perfect marriage of the music score and action the color the tone, feeling was so vivid. Everytime I was enjoying a scene I could recall where it might have come from, but like Harry says...this film stands on it's own. I was somewhat disappointed in the Matric and Once Upon a Time from Mexico but not this film. Even though it cut off for the sequel I like how it was done. Gotta go see it again!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Excellent movie!

    by morGoth

    Great to see pure entertainment for a change without some psycho-babble pseudo-philisophy B.S. to snooze through. I LOVE UMA THURMAN! Man, that scene where she woke out of the coma was just a simply amazing performance. It was painful she was so believable. I love how Quentin stretched it out so that you WOULD feel her pain and squirn in your Dum-dum encrusted seat. Awesome...check it out folks!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Do you think Roger Ebert gets this type of hate mail when he put

    by R0BTRAIN

    I mean seriously guys. I went in and saw Kill Bill and really enjoyed it. The film's gotten good reviews from Ebert, Rolling Stone and a shitload of other critcs. The film pays alot of homages to alot of shit all at once. I means for guys that like films like Shogun Assassin, Five Deadly Venoms, Versus, Zatoichi Movies , story of Ricky and the Street Fighter this movie is fuckin awesome. Quentin does for Sonny Chiba in this movie what he did for John Travolta and Robert Forrestor earlier. And as far as ripping off the Matrix Reloaded and Crouching Tiger, the one on forty fight scene is a standard martial arts scene, from Lone Wolf and Cub films to Fist of Legend. Not including this scene would probably be a disservice to the type of film QT was trying to make. You know what great about Kill Bill and films like the one's mentioned, when the combatants are doing Martial Arts, IT FUCKING LOOKS LIKE IT HURTS! That's what drives me nuts about the Matrix. The kung fu scenes look more like ballet then actually watching 2 people try to hurt each other. The Matrix films got the same R-rating Kill Bill did. Even in Fist of Legend when Jet Li goes through the Akutagawa clan's school that shit looks like it hurts! Neo looks like he's tangoing with Agent Smith, not trying to hurt him. Seeing Uma go all Ricky-oh on those yakuza was fucking awesome. And where were you "violence in movies suck, I want more dialogue" assholes when Taratino made Jackie Brown? The Guy is just making homages to the films he liked when he was a kid. Reservoir Dogs (Hong Kong shoot'emups) Jackie Brown (blaxpoitation) and Kill Bill (Martial Arts) show just how much this guy loves cinema. And not just your Casablanca/Citizen Kane love of cinema. The guy loves shit no one else bothered to see. Switchblade Sisters and Mighty Peking man aren't high art, but god they are alot of fun, and Taratino shows what you can do with those same elements and a lot more exposure.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Martial Arts That Looks Like It Hurts???

    by Starbuck1975

    Please, the fight scenes in Kill Bill had about as much realism as a WWF wrestling match...characters enduring inhuman amounts of pain only to get up and vanquish their foe...when Lucy Lui slices Uma's back wide open...not only would the blood loss have put her on her ass permanently, but she probably would have had her muscles torn to the point where she could do little more then raise her arms around chest high...if you are shooting for realism then go for total realism, not WWF realism...The Matrix fighting is like a ballet because it has more of an artsy feel to the fights...there is absolutely no realism to the Matrix, more of a comic book feel, and thats why it works better.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 2:16 p.m. CST

    I'm with starbuck, the fights in KB look like they hurt about as

    by minderbinder

    Come on, the squirting blood is overdone to the point of being comical. And I don't see how anyone could even compare this to the Matrix. These fight scenes aren't better than most of the recent blockbusters, they're just notable for being bloodier.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 2:57 p.m. CST

    First of All...

    by R0BTRAIN

    Have you guys seen Fist of Legend? or Drunken Master 2 or Duel to the Death. Those Films have crazy-ass fight scenes where the fight scenes have consequences. Its not just some sequences where you see a bunch of cartoons and fake Neos going at it ten minutes. And what do they do when there's a cgi Neo on Screen? They fucking make the movie go in slow motion so you can tell its not him! Kill Bill at least has actors and stunt men doing the dirty work old school. Yeah the blood is overdone and comical but its supposed to be. You think QT would have gotten away with realisitc violence for 2 hours. The blood sprays and beheading are taken right out of Shogun Assassin and The Streetfighter films. The Matrix fight scenes look routine after a while. Guys dancing around with cgi agents that just keep getting up, rendering the previous ten minutes of fight scene pointless. Where is the drama in that?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:30 p.m. CST

    KILL BILL VOL1...WOW

    by Evilash61

    I jus got home after seeing KILL BILL VOL1 and i have to say what a great film. it is the only tarantino film i've sen at the cinema and the only one i like being a fan of japanese cinema and all. it's got lots o blood, lot's o limps, anime, kurosawa style black and white sword fights, that bird from battle royale in a school uniform and did i say lots o blood what more do you want? its great fun go see it NOW

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Wow Robtrain, you're STILL using that weak "CGI" whining?

    by minderbinder

    When I was referring to the Matrix, I was talking about the first one, which kicks the shit out of KB and has zero CGI fighting. But even Reloaded has very little, other than a small part of a couple scenes, it IS all real people doing real stunts. And even the CGI scenes were created by using motion capture on stuntmen, so that was done by real people as well. I guess either the CGI must be pretty fucking amazing (since you obviously have no clue when you're looking at CGI and when you're looking at the real actors doing stunts) or you're pretty dumb. And if CGI is so bad, why did QT use some in Kill Bill? Well?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4 p.m. CST

    Well allow me to retort

    by R0BTRAIN

    Reloaded has very little CGI? did you see the same movie I did? Cause unless they cloned Hugo Weaving to where there's 50 of them or there's alot of fucking cgi in the scene. And by the way in the actual filming of the scene there's only about 12 stunt guys and the rest are CGI. And what about Keanu, did they teach him how to fly? I can see how this could be a very useful skill in his film career? And i'm not saying all cgi is bad, all I'm saying is that its refreshing to see stuntmen and actors doing a sequence that really gets your blood pumping not just watching a computer do all the work. The worst example I've seen is probably Bullet-proof Monk. I really love Chow yun fat and his acting scenes are really quite good in the fim, but the action in the film is really poorly done. Anytime it looks like he's flying it looks ETREMELY fake. And while I don't Reloaded looks quite that bad, there are some glaring sequences where instead of speeding things off the screen to where they look a little better, They slow things down, absolutlely retarded!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Killer Diller

    by twitaman

    Saw "Kill Bill" last night. I really liked it. It was stylish, with very little nuance to the story but in the hands of Tarantino, he pulled it off with great results. I can see how it's probably not for everyone (it is an

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4:41 p.m. CST

    My only complaint against those who praise this movie

    by I_AM_SPARTACUS

    If you think this movie is the greatest you've seen, fine. Happy for you. But don't think those who thought it an overrated, juvenile, boring, weak story are people who "just don't get it". Look, horacio, we GET it. Fact is, we GOT a long time ago, and now we got OVER it. Back in Jr High I might have giggled at the p*ussy wagon, or thought squirting gysers of blood was cool. I won't deny the fight scenes were masterful, but pushing the gore level for it's own sake does not a masterpeice make. Hopefully one day you guys will GET it too, and get past it. Good luck on that.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 4:50 p.m. CST

    kill bill

    by blakgumz

    for those upset about "who the bride is"...backstory, etc...and those who think she's just wearing "bruce lee's game of death suit"...(which is clearly an homage, but has a double meaning) just hang in there...all will be explained, even her name bleeping, in february.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Carrying The Sword On The Plane

    by genrefanboy

    Did anyone else notice that the bride had the sword with her on the plane and then when she was walking through the airport was still carrying it. Was this a dumb joke about how easy it is to still carry weapons on planes? Anyone?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 5:26 p.m. CST

    R0BTRAIN

    by minderbinder

    I never said Reloaded doesn't have much CGI, I just said it doesn't have that much in the fight scenes. First off, the whole burly brawl wasn't CGI, much of it was stuntmen with face replacement and some was probably even composited takes of Weaving. And even you admit that they had TWELVE stuntmen doing these scenes. When you have twelve guys beating the shit out of each other, does it really matter if the guys in the distance (who aren't even doing any fighting) are CGI or just extras who don't even have fighting skills? And that's just one small part of the movie, you think the chateau scene was all CGI? Sure, the fighting in KB doesn't use computer FX (supposedly) but who cares. The fighting just isn't that great, it's just quantity (of bodies, limbs and blood) without much show of skill. And some of the absolute WORST wire work I've seen in years. Hell, Pirates was a better action movie.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 5:31 p.m. CST

    WOOHOO - just saw it and loved it!

    by Russman

    I dug it and a can't wait to see the next one. I think the critics who said it felt shallow were just looking for something to say bad about it. This is great entertainment and a hell of a lot of fun.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Give Me a Fuckin Break

    by R0BTRAIN

    First things first, there is no way Pirates of the Carribean (while being a very fun film that I dug the hell out of) is better than Kill Bill. While it is a fun excursion, Pirates runs about 20 minutes too long and some the swashbuckling isn't exactly Errol Flynn quality. Especially the fight with Depp and Bloom in the Blacksmith shop the camera work is a bit to closeup to really tell what going on. To compare the film to an asskicking fest like Kill Bill is just ludicrous. Secondly you need to stop sucking on that matrix boner you've had in your mouth for last few years. I find the movies entertaining, but good god. Get your ass out of that computer chair and rent some of the shit the Matrix "borrowed from". Have you seen Hard-Boiled? Or read Frank Miller's Hard Boiled for that matter? Or seen Ghost in the Shell? Ever read Harlan Ellison, Minderbinder? After you've seen the blood bath in the Killer or watched Ogami Itto kick some ass its harder to believe Keanue doing all this shit. And really Once you've seen films like Once Upon a Time in China and Five Deadly Venoms the Neo Agent Smith dukeoff in the Train station wasn't nearly as impressvie. Reeves is servicable, and has better acting chops on occasion, but he really doesn't have the grace of a Jet Li or Michelle Yeoh. And Li's acting in "Hero" is on par with probably anything Reeves has ever done, except for maybe his work in the Gift. I mean you want to see sword skill, check out Zatoichi's Revenge. Just Shintaro Katsu and a bunch of yakuza getting their asses kicked. No CGI Zatoichi twirling in the air. And yeah there were like 12 stuntmen in that scene, but did you notice who was curiously absent in much of that fight scene? Keanue FUCKING Reeves! Go watch that seen again. Its a cartoon beating the shit out of 12 real stuntmen and 35 guys that aren't really there! And that ballroom scene fucking SUCKS! It's got no drama at all. Is there any point in that fight where Neo does anything really spectacular. If there wasn't for the Morpehous/Trinity/Albino Stuff, I would have been totally bored to death. At least when Morpheous fights an agent you're not totally sure he's going to make it. Seriously all QT did was string along enough stuff to make a kickass martial arts film that didn't require blowing up half a (CGI) city to make it exciting. Also Kill Bill doesn't really have all that much crazy wire work in it that I could see. The scene where she jumps on the sword to get to the second level looked like an homage to "Duel to the Death" where the heroes do alot of "sword Steps" to get where their going. It's not like KB went all "crouching tiger" or anything. Matrix Reloaded doesn't have an ounce of the intensity generated by Kill Bill.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Red Dots

    by azscott

    On at least 5 or 6 times during today's showing of Kill Bill, I also saw the pattern of (I thought) 4 red dots in a diamond pattern. I thought "what the hell was that?". I figured it was some sort of semi-subliminal thing inserted on purpose, maybe to be seen later on DVD. Or some symbol that would become significant later. Now that I know it's just some lame anti-piracy thing, I'm PISSED! It totally took me out of the movie each time, and now I'm going to be looking for them everywhere! This has really gone too far. If you want to put some kind of digital watermark onto a picture, so that you can tell which theater it was taped from, make it something truly invisible to the casual viewer, or at least put it ner the edge of frame - not IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FRICKIN' PICTURE!! AAAgh! This is going to drive me batty. Where can we call/email/write to complain about this? This is the most disrespectful thing ever done to audience members in the history of motion pictures.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Red Dots, cont.

    by azscott

    Or, as Harry might say: "I feel gang-raped. I feel that my sensibilities were offended more than when I walked out of Jaws 3-D!!!". I just read my post above and realized I was ranting a bit. But seriously - we have to stop this crap.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Spare Us RoboGeek

    by Starbuck1975

    Isn't one of the many points of the Matrix, is that being the "One" makes Keanu Reeves nearly invinsible...if you recall in The Matrix, he fights with the same desperation that you speak of with Morpheus...remember the end sequence, were no matter how hard he fights, agents continue to spawn around him until finally he fulfills the prophecy and taps into his powers. In the second film we have a comic book hero, a good guy with powers to control the world around him, yet he has no idea what to do with those powers...Imagining wandering a world where you could beat anyone's ass, yet there was no point to it...I interpreted his boredom with the fighting as almost a cocky mentality of knowing he is going to win the fight, but someone who is weary of fighting it with no end in sight. As for the lack of CG work in Kill Bill, perhaps he should have used some to establish at least some sense of Uma Thurman having any grace, style or talent with a katana...in this film you have her waving it around blindly, followed by Monty Python flesh wound shots...Pirates is a very good reference, because Depp and Bloom at least fight like they know what they are doing...I find it ironic that Harry chose to mention Adventures of Robin Hood or Erol Flynn, because I definitely got that vibe from Pirates...with Uma, I got more of a Star Wars kid vibe.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Again Give me a fucking break

    by R0BTRAIN

    Sir Biatch knows what date it is. Isn't that nice! Well if you believe your own bullshit then I really feel sorry for you. Seriously do you really even know the difference between homage and ripoff. I mean you have to know what he's going for here. Sonny Chiba and Gordon Liu are in the fucking movie for christ's sake. The crazy 88 are wearing Kato Masks. Uma's wearing a game of Death outfit. That's how do you homage. You don't take a bunch of great ideas and claim its all your own! Sonny Chiba would kick Keanue's ass. Unless Keanue turned intangible when he's in his cartoon form. And i don't think Uma was trying to give off a Errol Flynn Vibe. You don't fucking do any swashbuckling with a samurai sword. That would be fucking retarded like Sir Biatch. Grace isn't always required with a katana. A katana is a Brutal instrument. Seriously check out Yojimbo or The Babycart in Peril series. Those films have a hero of intensity and brutality, not always the most graceful. And are you guys really serious, Thurman's work in this is definitely on par with Reeve's stuntwork in the first film. And she's a much better actress. QT isn't making a pretentous SCI-FI wonder here. He's said from the beginning this is just a grindhouse film. Have you guys seen one of those or is the only martial arts films you guys have ever seen have the word Matrix in the title? And "if the Matrix really did rip off movies like Kill Bill is doing, we would have seen it earlier" what the fuck does that mean? They would have ripped off John Woo and Mamoru Oshii earlier if it had been a rip-off? That doesn't even make sense

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:02 p.m. CST

    sir biatch, Matrix is practically a remake of Alex Proyas's Dar

    by shogunpoker

    Humans living in a world that is not what it seems. A lone "Chosen" man receives a phone call telling him to get out, they're coming for him. Three men dressed in black pursue him. He learns that this world is simply an illusion to keep the humans from knowing they are really not free. He fights back against the oppressors so that he can set people free. This could describe both movies.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:04 p.m. CST

    You got it Shogun

    by R0BTRAIN

    Amen to that Brother

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Bitch, you're not gonna get me to bash the Matrix

    by shogunpoker

    Matrix was a good movie. I liked Dark City a lot. Matrix took the entire concept of Dark City and added kung fu and machine guns. Oh, and I forgot about the pretentious psychobabble about God.(The part i did'nt like about the Matrix) All moviemakers are influenced by other movies, who gives a FUCK?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Seriuosly There is something wrong with you

    by R0BTRAIN

    The Matrix is better hands down?! What the fuck is worng with you? Now put your Neo and Trinity dolls down quit acting out "The Oracle told me I'd fall in Love WIth The Savior" seen over and over get a fucking life dude. There is a wealth of film knowledge out there that you're totally disregarding. I know you think you look cool in your sunglasses and your trenchcoat saying "I know kungfu" to everyone that comes up to you, but that you don't realize the Wachowski's really just hacks who rip off John Woo and other better scifi like Blade Runner and Dark City. Never Mind that niether of those films have depth that isn't hidden behind carchases and bad kungfu. And nevermind that Kill Bill Rocks the Fucking house and you're a fucking Moron.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:36 p.m. CST

    yes

    by R0BTRAIN

    I have read your posts and they really haven't added anything except that you're a fucking retard who doesn't know a good movie from his ass or a hole in the ground.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:40 p.m. CST

    and really

    by R0BTRAIN

    What argument are you trying to make except that the " Matrix is Better Hands Down?" You think the Wachowski's are the first to make their own universe. Fuck the creators of Thundercats made their own universe and i don't see you wacking off to Liono. All the arguments you've made about the Matrix being totally original have been refuted and you just keep coming back with you guys are retarded statements like you're in 6th grade or something. Are you in 6th grade? if so I apologize!

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:42 p.m. CST

    bitch, what arguments? You claim Alex Proyas could not even gras

    by shogunpoker

    WB has created a universe? Guess what bitch, they've created a franchise. They don't give a fuck about art or religion or whatever else you think the Matrix is.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Seriously

    by R0BTRAIN

    Are you serious in that you don't understand that it could be possible that the Wachowski's could be ripping off other movies. Seriously? It's quite clear the Matrix just a hodgepodge of other ideas and movies that they've "made possible in there own universe". Shogunpoker has been quite clear how the Matrix has ripped off Dark City. And then there's the Terminator films and other animes. It's easy to write off opposing arguments as psychobabble when you really don't know what you're talking about.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Reloaded was creative and advanced the genre because: LOOK! A SH

    by shogunpoker

    "we've all seen long ago", some people have not. I bet very few people who saw KB even know who Sonny Chiba is. All most people know of kung fu movies are from the Matrix, Jackie chan and jet li. KB does'nt look like any of those.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Sir Biatch, if you hate the west so much, please join another cu

    by FluffyUnbound

    The blood-lust-as-humor aspects of QT's work are an example of one of the only things that give me hope for western culture's future. When you bitch about that, you are tampering with the forces of NATURE, Mr. Biatch. And by the way, anyone who actually READS Ciordan, Lyotard, Baudrillard, and the rest of the continental pinheads whose nonsense is wedged into different corners of M:R knows better than to consider the presence of their shopworn non-ideas evidence of intellectual depth or sophistication. There's nothing worse than a bunch of weak-ass world-weary frogs. Fuck France, fuck the death of the metanarratives, and fuck the Matrix, fuck it right in its stupid ass. At least there is palpable joy in QT's eclecticism. The postmodernism strewn across M:R smells of decay in comparison.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8 p.m. CST

    That's all it takes to raise the bar? CGI, kung fu, guns, and ne

    by shogunpoker

    Since KB is so unoriginal, tell me bitch, what movie would you compare it to? You're very longwinded in explaining why Matrix is the second the coming, despite the similarities to Dark City, so tell me why KB is such trash? Bitch.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Anyway if I could tiptoe through Biatch's bullshit

    by R0BTRAIN

    Listen if the Matrix were even half as creative as Tarantino's works like Pulp Fiction and now Kill Bill it would be worth arguing, but its not. I love how the Wachowski's have MOVED FORWARD by ripping off more creative people. It sure is great to Move Forward to by creating action sequences that don't even require you're star to be on screen. Why don't we stop looking to the past and to find our inspirations. Sorry Spielberg and Lucas you're homages aren't MOVING FORWARD enough. Seriously have you seen Raiders of the Lost Ark. Not alot of new ideas in there, but it sure is a great fucking movie. Raiders is totally old school. Spielberg took a concept (serials) and turned it into a great movie. QT has done this same thing with Kill Bill. He's taking a concept (martial arts films) and made it his own. The movie is totally an excercise in old school moviemaking. That's why its so fucking cool. There's no pretentious nonsense or convolution, there's just plain asskicking. That's what I went in there to see, That's what I got.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:07 p.m. CST

    boy that really hurts

    by R0BTRAIN

    Buttpoker and Robogeek that hurts man, really. sob

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:08 p.m. CST

    You keep talkin like a bitch, I'll have to slap you like a bitch

    by shogunpoker

    QT has essentially made a Revenge movie. I know he liked Tony Scott's Revenge and it reminded me a lot of it. He then added the kung fu/samurai aspect. (Just like the Matrix did) In a revenge movie, the hero has to get back at someone for something. The opening scene to this movie sets it up perfectly. The rest of the movie is her getting her revenge. Should he have made a revenge movie with kung fu and kitana blades without gore? You little bitch.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:10 p.m. CST

    What?

    by R0BTRAIN

    Biatch the Matrix is the worst example of Western Culture. They took a bunch of great ideas from brilliant asian film makers and said it was there own. Its nearly plagirism! You do know what that means right?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Quote from Sir Biatch:

    by FluffyUnbound

    "...when we can sit and watch a BLOODFEST and find it stylish, funny or cool. What is the point of saying that we are 'civilized'? NOBODY in the 'uncivilized' villages of Africa, South America, Asia would find this barbaric piece of shit movie appealing. Because to us, blood is sacred. When we see someone dismembered, we feel their pain because we know how painful the process must have been. Here in the Western world, you all munch harder on your popcorn and laugh in the theater. Gore in movies has NEVER been necessary and the existence of it in movies shows a sad fact of our Western barbaric nature. Have fun watching 'art' ladies and gentleman. We have reduced ourselves to that state." This post of yours is what made my argument against you relevant. I chose to focus on this, instead of taking the short cut of pointing out that your defense of the Matrix - a film which has nothing, nothing at all, to offer if you remove the violence - would seem absurd in the face of your Tipper-Gore-like squealing about KB's violence. It's strange that your sensibilities were ruffled by KB, but somehow you managed to not get upset by the violence in either Matrix film. Maybe the crappy direction of M:R made the violence so unreal that it didn't affect you. Or maybe you only recently turned into a little girl. Tell me truthfully, do you sit down to pee?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:14 p.m. CST

    the lobby shootout is classic?

    by shogunpoker

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:15 p.m. CST

    No more classic then any scene in Hard Boiled

    by shogunpoker

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Ignoring the past?

    by R0BTRAIN

    How can you totally forget the past? That's a fucking terrible notion. But again you're missing the point. The Wachowski's (I know you keep calling them the WB brothers, but I don't think there's a B in Wachowski's, maybe this is too much for a 6th grader)didn't move forward, they stole from the past. Is your whole MOVING FORWARD argument that the Matrix is a SCI FI movie? Were the Wachowski's moving forward when they made ASSASSINS or when they were ripping off Frank Miller's Sin City in Bound? And by the way the Matrix is unreal but the violence in Kill Bill is SO realistic. I know on cops people always explode like popcans when they get hit.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Washed em in your mother's cooch

    by shogunpoker

    So which move did KB rip off? Bitch.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:24 p.m. CST

    If old school is ignorant, why are the Wachowski's throwing in K

    by R0BTRAIN

    so are you telling me you don't like Raiders? Is your mom helping you with this?

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:24 p.m. CST

    I apologize for my infantile remark. It was in response to anoth

    by shogunpoker

    which movie did KB rip off? bitch.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Does your mom only let you go out to see movies that have Matrix

    by R0BTRAIN

    Or did you get to see Assassins too? Where the wachowski's created their own universe where they thought Stallone was a good actor

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 8:36 p.m. CST

    guess you don't know what movie KB ripped off.

    by shogunpoker

    The loser is the guy who retreats. You lose bitch.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 10:11 p.m. CST

    kill THIS!

    by hank quinlan

    This movie is spectacular. People who don't like Kill Bill are like people who say they don't masterbate. I say, "okay...but you are missing out." Tarantino is just in love with movies. And that joy comes through in a way most films that are done by big directors who look at the whole thing as a job never do. Tarantino's image is now a cliche and a dulled facet of pop culture after 10 years. But now, for about 100 minutes, you remember, oh yeah...the guy makes movies like THIS. Sorry everybody hates it. It's not for everyone. But like I said...you're missing out.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 10:21 p.m. CST

    What is so good about this movie? I found it average at best.

    by SexyBeast

    I was bored during it for starters. Lot of people around me were laughing at some of the hacked off limbs, but I didn't think they were funny. I was bored. This movie must appeal to 15 year olds and people who think they are 15 year olds.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Had 24 hours to reflect on KB, it's the best film I've seen this

    by shogunpoker

    I love that they made this into two movies. I don't know the exact running time, but would you have wanted another two hours? It sets up the story perfectly, and is essentially about taking revenge on Lucy Liu.(Who kicked ass! think about the last time she played an assassin, Ecks vs. Sever, ugh)This movie stands up on it's own, but I can't wait to see vol 2. Who was the bride's groom? What's Darryl Hannah's story? Michael Madsen's story? Bill's story? The Bride's child? QT's movies kick ass because they unfold slowly. It allows the audience to let thier imaginations try and fill in the blanks. Think about his other films. What happened to Mr.Pink? How did Mr.Blue die? How did Mr.Blonde capture a damn cop?! What was in the suitcase? Some of the fun of QT movies is that we never know! We get to talk about what we think happened on movie geek forums like this. Standard revenge flick would have tried to explain everything in the first forty minutes and then spend the last forty minutes letting the hero take revenge.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 10:41 p.m. CST

    the bitch is back. so did you go through your movie library and

    by shogunpoker

    the bitch was watching a bullet time sequence with his mouth open. Wipe the drool. bitch.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 10:42 p.m. CST

    sympathy for the devil

    by Mr Brownstone

    If that scene where The Bride wakes up to realize she has been brutally betrayed and that the baby she lovingly nurtured in her womb has been replaced with an empty gaping void is not enough to induce just a little sympathy in you for her then...

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Anybody notice the Reservoir Dogs soundtrack in KB

    by shogunpoker

    When they first show the bride, shot up and left for dead, theres Spanish music, the exact Spanish music that first comes on the radio when Mr.Blonde is looking for KBILLY durring the torture scene.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Oh shit, I just noticed that. KBILLY.

    by shogunpoker

    K. Bill

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:17 p.m. CST

    FIGHT SCENES WERE LAME! Go see ONG BAK!

    by Black Caeser

    Uma Thurman is a great actor but a fighter she ain't. If you ever get a chance to see ONG BAK check out Phanom Yeeram. Now that's a mother fuckin fighter.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:25 p.m. CST

    I'm waiting for you to enlighten me. Which film did KB rip off?

    by shogunpoker

    bitch.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Woo-hooo

    by boneheaddd

    You know, I saw Vol. I about 24 hours ago, and it has been with me all day. It was a sad, vicious, hilariousy goofy, vulgar, chilling and altogether revelatory experince for me. The downside was that there was a group of crack-head looking folks in the first row that brought their kids to see the flick. By kids, I mean 6 or 7 years old. I kept feeling a slight stab of anger towards them during alot of the scenes (the beginning, O-Ren's origin, GoGo's encounter with the buck-toothed guy at the bar to name a few). I plan on seeing it again on Monday during a matinee since crack people only come out at night.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:32 p.m. CST

    When bitch eats his Kaboom cereal in the morning, he says to his

    by shogunpoker

    His mom responds, "Bitch, what the hell are you talking about. Matrix is just a movie.". Bitch scowls, "It's a creative masterpiece! It's a whole universe! It's what I want to base my life on!". Mom looks at him with disgust, "You're a dumb little bitch, I shoulda fucked a REAL MAN like shogunpoker."

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:38 p.m. CST

    you are such a fuckin idiot, bitch

    by shogunpoker

    you say they ripped off the Shaw bros, yet neither you or I have seen the shaw bros movies, so how would we know? Dark city is a recent movie that everyone knows and the similarities are very clear. You are MY bitch.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:49 p.m. CST

    I've seen a lot of kung fu movies as well. Did your "friend" thi

    by shogunpoker

    Bitch, please donm't try to talk tough now that you are unable to think up anymore "Wash your hands" comebacks. Shut your mouth bitch, and I will stop slapping you around. It's funny when internet gangstas threaten to kick my ass.

  • Oct. 11, 2003, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Samurai sword a perfect weapon.

    by d5

    Someone here said Samurai swords were useless and pointless weapons against guns. Not when you run out of bullets... The Samurai sword is a incredible weapon....and if the Japanese Americans of the great 442, who fought the evil Nazis of Germany had these swords as well as guns.....there would probably be more dead Nazis.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, midnight CST

    Have'nt seen Pulp Fiction, and the Matrix is one of the best ori

    by shogunpoker

    Watch one of the greatest films ever made first(It's on the AFI's top 100) then talk to me. bitch.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 12:10 a.m. CST

    what's a GOOD movie?

    by shogunpoker

    A CGI Keanu Reeve's action movie? If Matrix starred Bruce Campbell and Charles Dutton and had less expensive CGI, people would laugh at all that oracle bullshit.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 12:12 a.m. CST

    "Ironside" Music

    by Jervis Tetch

    Loved that music (when the Bride first sees Verita at her house, and then later O-Ren) from the old Raymond Burr-cop-in-wheelchair show "Ironside" from the 60's ("Beeeeem...beeeeem..beeeem...beeeem") Also the use of Bernard Herrmann's "Twisted Nerve" music to do a DePalma-split-screen "Dressed to Kill" homage (complete with nurse shoes.) It's no "Pulp Fiction," but it is genuine QT, with gruesome comic style to burn. BUT it didn't need to be split in half. "Pulp Fiction" was a very long movie, but that didn't stop it from being easy to watch. We shouldn't have to wait four months for the Bride to finish the job.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Round 2, winner!

    by shogunpoker

    It's cool bitch. If I had no arguments I would'nt want to debate me either.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 12:16 a.m. CST

    An utter disappointment.

    by dr. robert

    In a way I'm happy Harvey chopped it up into two films. I honestly couldn't sit through a minute more of that bloated mess. Yes, there were a few witty moments here and there but in comparison to the occasional brilliance of QT's earlier work, Kill Bill is as long winded as it is wildly superficial. There's absolutely no reason why a story so simple need be so darn drawn out. And there was I thinking it were Reloaded that was badly in need of tighter editing.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 12:41 a.m. CST

    would someone please

    by UncleScrewtape

    remove the fuckheads from the talk back.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 1 a.m. CST

    Of course the Matrix pulls from other movies

    by Starbuck1975

    There is no doubt that the Wachowski's pulled heavily from anime and other influences...hell when I saw the Matrix the first time, I immediately thought of dark city...but why did the Matrix receive such acclaim where Dark City remains largely unrecognized...I think both films are genius, but the limitation of Dark City is that is largely a very depressing and slow moving film...the Matrix was infused with a certain energy that transcended the special effects, and for many, the world of the Matrix was something fresh, unique and enjoyable...even if it did pull heavily from many other references. Similarly with Kill Bill, you have Tarantino pulling from many cult references. The thing about a cult film is that filmmakers do not set out to make a film cult from the get go...some movies just appeal to a certain audience, and gain a following and devotion that sometimes just does not seem logical...hell look at Army of Darkness...a totally outlandish and bizarre film...yet people love Bruce Campbell...hell I love Bruce Campbell...can't explain why except his acting style is a lot of fun as are his films...with Kill Bill you have Tarantino trying perhaps too hard to create a cult film, but with all the trimmings and excess of a bloated Hollywood ego...I have never seen the films he is supposedly inspired by, but then again I have always found martial arts kung fu movies a bit ridiculous. The only ones I can really tolerate are Bruce Lee films, because he just had such a screen presence that the films were largely about watching him do amazing things...Uma Thurman is much better at smoking cigarettes and doing the shuffle with John Travolta then she is a kung fu master...the reputable martial artists/actors in Kill Bill could of course kick Keanu's ass...he is no martial artist...neither is Hugo Weaving...similarly, Ray Park could kick all of their collective asses as well...it is a matter of making these actors convincing as martial artists...I am sorry but Lucy Lui and Uma Thurman come across about as intimidating and badass as the Spice Girls.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 1:17 a.m. CST

    sirbiatch, shogunpoker........

    by Bourne GreyElf

    .......SHUT THE FUCK UP! Your both fucking faggots. anyhow...RETURN OF THE KING IS GONNA FUCKING OWN YOUR PUNK FAGGOT ASSES.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill reaction

    by mansala

    Live action anime. Girl power. The sound and images own. I am pumped. Going to see it again.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Random Thoughts

    by dr. robert

    Nice to see the return of Jackie Brown's Michael Bowen. The knife fight with Vivica was great but the stuff with her kid was way too drawn out (and not as funny as QT must have originally thought it was). Uma's toes are real fucked up lookin'. Was I the only one who thought the "cool" music cues QT cut and paste from all those Cult films and TV shows were pretty pointless? The "origin of Cotton Mouth" animated sequence was great. Fortysomething Daryl Hannah looks real hard-faced and scary-sorta like Mary Woronov in Eating Raoul. The excessive use of title cards ("4 weeks later" "4 years later" "4 years earlier") is a pretty clear indication of how creatively bankrupt the post-Jackie Brown QT obviously is. That big fight sequence went to shit the moment the film (wimped out and) switched to black and white (almost as anti climactic as the opening street fight in Gangs Of New York). That Japanese teenage girl clad in school uniform with the strange nose, was way cool. My audience was mighty confused whenever The Bride's real name was bleeped outta the audio. How much Coke was QT snorting when he thought the world would care about a 220 minute martial arts revenge film?

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Yes!

    by mrc77

    This movie was great. I saw it at Austin's Tinseltown South today. They had the sound really loud so that was good. I never understand why the dialogue scenes can't be as loud as the action scenes, though. There is a scene where a sheriff in El Paso is talking, I think, and I can barely make out some of the things he says. The Austin Chronicle said that the epilogue would be after the credits, but the epilogue is before the credits. I think some of the copies sent to the press had the epilogue after the credits, but I am not sure about this one. I am glad a cool movie like this one is out right now! It gives me hope. Ha! Later, Mark

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Why are they even COMPARING it to MATRIX??? I DON'T FUCKEN GET I

    by Rcamacho2278

    MAtrix is a sci-fi movie, If people wanna compare kill bill to something why don't you monkeys compare it to Crouching tiger hidden dragon! Didn't THAT movie have a fight scene with a buncha guys with swords in a wooden eatery? so what the FUCK are you monkeys bitching about the matrix fOR? The fact that your comparing it to the matrix is a testament to the MAtrix's GREATness. bottom line, Kill bill is a grand theft auto movie. Take away the gore and what do you have? A shallow enviroment to remember..Cmon honestly people, those praising the kill bill movie, if you took gore away what would you remember about the movie? Witty dialogue? WHERE?? Funny twisted situations? WHERE??!?! deep story? WHERE?!?!? your all acting like a buncha little kids who like seeing naughty things on tv just cuz its naughty. The movie was not visually stunning like crouching tiger was. Like I Said before Oren and BLEEP where fighting like 2 kids banging plastic swords at each other. And for gimps that wanna compare, "oh wait for volume 2, THEN you'll find out why they bleeped her name and this and that" you gotta be fucken kidding me. Big fucken whoop they bleep the name. Thats not story. thats fucken BULLshit. harry's review was like his matrix review, a piece of biased shit. You can like the movie, but you gush over it the way he did just made me fucken sick to my stomach , that tarantino cock sucker can try to get on tarantinos good side ALL he wants, just don't wonder why people call you a fucken sell out.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Here's my brief review at Yahoo! Movies on Kill Bill Vol. 1...

    by FD Resurrected

    "Having attended the 10:10 pm showing of KILL BILL Volume 1 Saturday night some young adult patrons' expectation was of disappointment that the film moves at a snail pace. What did you expect from Q? It's not for attention span deficit idiots who should see The House of the Dead instead. Kill Bill Vol. 1 rocks as a fun and sleazy grindhouse art picture, although House of Blue Leaves sequence leaves a lot to be desired because it's in B&W to avoid a NC-17 rating. The MPAA blows! I'm eagerly anticipating Volume 2 to see The Bride KILL BILL!" I gave KILL BILL Volume 1 a B - this from a Tarantino fan since 1995 who owns Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown laserdiscs (the last two in DTS). Kill Bill Volume 2 will kick ass real hard, but I'm afraid Kill Bill Volume 2 might suffer less box office return as with The Matrix Revolutions after the hype simmers down...

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 7:35 a.m. CST

    The mark of a great film is a great opening scene

    by shogunpoker

    The opening scene to this movie was SO FUCKING COOL! (Spoilers) Listening to the Uma breathing, she was scared shitless. It played very real and very scary. We know she's gonna get fucked up. Then theres the pop, it fires you right into the movie. Opening song by Nancy sinatra was perfect. Next scene has Uma showing up at Vivica's house. A kick ass girlfight ensues. Even though most people knew the daughter was gonna show up from the tv commercials it still got a big laugh. Here's a part where Tarantino "stole" from, another movie. The two assassins hide thier weapons from the little girl and stop fighting for the moment. It reminded me of the scene in the Killer where the cop and the hitman have been holding guns on each other and then the blind girl shows up and they hide thier guns to protect the girl. When Vivica fires that at shot at Uma through the cereal box it caught me off guard. Then when Uma kills her ass with the knife, I'm thinking wait, the little girl is probable ten feet away! It was a very powerful scene. This movie KICKED FUCKIN ASS!I don't understand people who say this movie is nothing without the gore, they've seen at all before, he stickin it in my face callin me a mutherfucker and blah blah blah blah! The way QT crafted this is the shit! Think about the snow sequence at the end, the anime, the japanese school girl. Just imagine, theres another one in February!

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 8:38 a.m. CST

    r0btrain, "strung stuff together" is a good description of Kill

    by minderbinder

    When did I ever say the Matrix (or reloaded for that matter) was the height of action movies? I've only been talking about it because yahoos like you keep bringing it up. Reloaded is definitely a notch below stuff like Hard Boiled (yes I've seen the movies on your list, KB isn't even in the same universe), but the action is still better than Kill Bill (which isn't saying much). Matrix movie is a classic, one of the best action movies of recent years (funny that the movies you mention are all older ones). Years later, the Matrix is still remembered and watched. (it's not like it's something only liked by fanboys) And it was probably the most influential film since Pulp Fiction. Kill Bill will likely make a big splash with geeks who are titillated, but I doubt anyone will care a year from now.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 8:44 a.m. CST

    and r0btrain, why ARE you going on and on about the Matrix on a

    by minderbinder

    Or maybe I'm having trouble understanding you with Quentin's boner in your mouth. (oh, such a funny, clever line)

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 9:27 a.m. CST

    The only reason the Matrix came up is because of that fellator S

    by FluffyUnbound

    He's the one pounding it out here because he's offended that KB is violent - unlike the Matrix, which according to him contains no violence. He's also angry because, although he hasn't seen KB or any of the movies he claims it rips off - which he can't name - he still claims that KB is derivative. Unlike the Matrix, which is not derivative at all as far as he is concerned, despite the fact that the Wachowskis themselves admit that they came up with the idea for the movie essentially by throwing a bunch of their favorite things into a Kitchen Aid, and despite the fact that other people here have given SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of ways in which the Matrix movies are in fact eerily similar to other films. This should not be a surprise, since its fundamental conceit is one of science fiction's standard tropes AND one of philosophy's most common thought experiments. The Matrix is still GOOD, at least on the strength of the first film, even if the second one was disappointing and kind of a mess. But Sir Biatch is calling the wrath of his fellow talkbackers down by claiming that KB is bad because it is violent and genre-referential, and then by denying that his favorite little film does the same things. When pressed on these issues he hides behind the contentless assertion that the Matrix has serious ideas to convey, while KB does not - although like just about every Matrix freak out there he does not even attempt to convey what those ideas might be. I talked more about the ideas behind the Matrix in my quest to mock, poison and destroy Sir Biatch's weak argument. But I guess I should have expected no better from that bloody snatch.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 11:05 a.m. CST

    What the fuck is up with all the 911 refrences?

    by Govenor_CONAN

    it's fucking two years old. its just a chop-suey movie and a good one SONY CHIBA rules!! while he will never be a toshiro mifune i was exicited to see golgo 13 back in action i mean damn the original street fighter. how come no net-nerd has made any comparisons to sony chiba's come back to the silver screen with that of travolta's return in pulp fiction? oh and back off topic this last sept 11 i could not figure out why there were so many news piece on on the tradgedy of yesteryear untill i realised what day it was. Seriously in the relm of world politics the us has killed more ppl then 4,000 since two years ago. BOT The whole review that was given made me seriously wanna smack him. it is a fucking martial arts flick what with all this personal feelings of loneliness? next time bring a friend and you might not do so much self-loathing in a movie theater.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Note to Hollywood: Never do this again.

    by Jack Burton

    It rocked. It was a hell of a lot of fun. It was funny, and QT proved he is one hell of a great action director. He does some Scorsese/Welles camera moves that are incredibly well done. The acting is awesome, the cinematography, colors, dialogue, the anime, all nearly perfect. But...it's incomplete. There are no answers. No reasons. Unlike the Matrix movies or LOTR, this movie doesn't feel like a whole. It has no cliffhanger and it doesn't end, it stops. The House of Blue Leaves is the last, and really only set piece. Yeah, it's incredible but the flick is a little light. You are drawn in and caring but then it ends. Boom! And THERE IS NO EPILOGUE! I waited thru the end of the credits and there is nothing. Or did you mean what Bill says to Sonja? Please explain somebody. I can't wait to see Volume 2, but it should have been one movie. This was about the momentum and obsession of revenge. This may be THE greatest action movie, but who knows. It exists in limbo until we can see the finished product. Make no mistake, it is a must see. But I wish there had been more to see. By the way, you really need to be a fan of gore. I was astounded by how much was onscreen. I was laughing during some of the more outlandish bits but the woman next to me was cringing and saying things like "Don't show it." when the camera was panning up to Gogo's head. This is a already a cult classic. Don't expect a big box office on it. QT made a film he would want to see and, bless Miramax, they stayed out of his way.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Did anyone notice (spoiler)

    by The Tao of Joe

    That Oren Ishi-i's parents were murdered by Bill? Bill was the killer with the sword. The character who killed her parents had the same rings on his fingers, the same color in his hair, and the same sword (notice the dots on the handle). Perhaps this could explain why the bride was sad before she offed Oren's scalp near the movie's climax. Oren and the Bride have both lost everything to Bill. This could explain why Hanzo was sad about Bill when he wrote his name on the window (Hanzo trained Bill, Bill was in Japan, so he could have easily killed Oren's parents a while ago). The path to vengence is indeed a forest, one in which we could get lost in.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 1:29 p.m. CST

    The DVD

    by dr. robert

    As much as I disliked the film as a whole, I really dug the many different TV spots. I hope they all (and the different theatrical trailers) make it onto the DVD. Although the movie did $22 million this weekend I have a feeling the poor word of mouth from mainstream audiences will kill it. Cutting it in two was, financially, a really smart idea. For all my bitching and moaning I'll be back in February to see how it all turns out.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 2:51 p.m. CST

    re: Tao of Joe and Sir Biatch.

    by Jack Burton

    No, I didn't catch that. I'll look for it next time. But did the Bride know that or was it the audience that was supposed to make the connection? Nice to see someone can have a comment about the movie without shredding it. By the way "Sir Biatch" you're the reason this site is going to the toliet. You and your fan boy ravings belong at a Matrix convention. Why you and your ilk need to attack everyone that fails to agree with you is beyond me, but why don't you take your self absorbed head out of your ass and get a life. Matrix, LOTR, Spiderman, SW, ST, KB, Freddy Vs. Jason, whatever, are all fine, entertaining movies. Some are better then others but who the fuck are you to slag on other's opinions you flame trolling asshole? BTW, this isn't a trolling post. You're a dick. Case closed.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 3:30 p.m. CST

    SIR BIATCH

    by Bourne GreyElf

    Sir Biatch, I'm dissapointed. You took one of my " RETURN OF THE KING IS GONNA OWN YOUR ASS!" flames seriously? I've been doing that for months, and NO ONE save you or Neo Samurai have gotten angry. I thought you were a better man, I even gave you a suggestion on how to flame someone once, if they ever slammed on The Matrix. oh well. By the way, Kill Bill is strictly OK, nothing more, and is certainly NOT better than the Matrix, whoever says so (harry), is a fucking idiot. Also, harry made a coment on how other movies with swords only knock them out...wtf! In croutching tiger, Li mue bai didn't cut people in half on purpose, hes a fucking good guy. and zang zi yi's character sliced michelle yo across the arm. Both blade and blade 2, blades sword disintagrates people, and cuts them in half. and ninja turtles is pg you fucking retard. i never seen equilibruim, so I can't comment. and why oh why harry must you always shit on matrix when you review a movie now? ALSO, once upon a time in mexico is WAY better than kill bill, so don't even go there. just wait till....11/05....12/17....

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 3:35 p.m. CST

    kill bill

    by fokke

    I think it sucks that a great movie like Kill Bill is cut in two. There is no excuse for it. It was like a big juicy steak. But instead of letting me eat it whole, I have to come back later for the second part. Star wars, indiana jones, these are movies that are made as a sequel. Kill Bill isn't. I would stongely recommend people who haven't seen vol.1 to wait a couple until for special viewings. So you can enjoy the entire steak.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 3:47 p.m. CST

    people suck

    by trafficguy2000

    you all suck. every last one of you. this movie was great and all you people can do is fucking bitch and whine. good god, get some perspective people. it is possible to like more than just one movie. "Matrix rules, StarWars rules your movie sucks!" god you are a sad sack of fat flesh. you fucking retarded monkey fuckers. people are actually arguing over the profits of this movie. you aint gettin any of is so why does it matter? freaks

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 3:53 p.m. CST

    by the way...

    by Bourne GreyElf

    Kill Bill is also ripping of the orignal " THE CROW " comic book. I am not a comic book fan, BUT, the crow graphic novel is a story of revenge that moves me much much more than its movie incarnation, and Kill Bill. I suggest EVERYONE go out and buy this graphic novel it is awesome. by the way, in the graphic novel of the crow, he comes back for revenge because 5 people murdered him, and he walks around hacking people with a katana....sound familiar yet?

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 4:01 p.m. CST

    another by the way

    by Bourne GreyElf

    I one saw an anime where a SCHOOLGIRL weiled a YO-YO weapon that could produce blades on the sides, and she would spin and slice and bounce this yo yo weapon off walls and people alike, and it was of course attached to a string. That sound familiar too? the anime is called sukeban deka, and is something else kill bill ripped off. ahhhh.....

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Black & White

    by Veraxus

    The black & white sequences were actually SUPPOSED to be that way. Quentin was trying (very successfully) to emulate the old B&W samuri films of yesteryear. It had nothing to do with the MPAA wanting it filtered down. Quentin is already on the record as commenting that he wouldn't bend over those bastards. Even the early leaked script called for the 'color pop[ing] out of the film' at that point. The only real differences between the early script and the final product were: 1) In the script, everything the Bride touched with her sword sprays blood everywhere. In the film, there is significantly less spraying of blood (Such as when she chops those three guys in one swing at beginning of the House of Blue Leaves fight). 2) Significantly less music. The script called for a heavy metal-type soundtrack to play during the fight sequences. It also called for The Bride's vengeance theme to be a heavy bass-type track. For the film, Quentin opted for long awekward silences and 70's style action music in place of heavy metal. Ie - he went for the artistic instead of the intense.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 4:33 p.m. CST

    animated clip and rip-offs

    by Anomaly

    Okay, that animated clip with Knowles playing Mr. Blonde is the best thing I have ever seen on this site. Secondly, both Kill Bill and the Matrix Series kick ass. Thirdly, fuck anyone who is continually bringing up how 'insert movie here' is ripping off 'insert movie here'. After 100 years of cinema there is honestly not alot of fucking original material left for filmmakers if any. It's just like the music industry, anytime a new band comes out they are always being compared to a band that came before them because there is only so much you can do with a guitar or keyboards or whatever. I think were finally arriving at the time when there are no original ideas left. So the only thing a director or musician can do is to take/borrow from other sources of inspiration and attempt to add their own flavour to the mix. Tarantino and the Wachowski's have done this and it is why their films stand out among all the other garbage.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 4:53 p.m. CST

    SIR BIATCH, I get you, You get me, Why can't the rest of them ge

    by Rcamacho2278

    Harry ranted off about how kill bill was this great amazing movie, read his review, then his review of matrix reloaded and I think you'll find why he's such a hipocritical biased movie reviewer. Sure kill bill was a fun movie, but so was Matrix reloaded, yet harry bashed the hell outta reloaded for its so many flaws. Kill bill is so severely flawed, that all that gushing over the movie only tells me that hes another tarantino cock sucker PLANT. But since so many fanboys out there wanna compare kill bill to a movie thats totally diffrent, Kill bill did NOT need to be split in 2. They made it seem like it was this action intense fight scene after fight scene and it WASN'T. it was this movie that trudged along. By the way lemme tell you something, Telling a story in diffrent parts like pulp fiction is NOT great film directing and great storytelling, Its a cheap gimmick. It's old. It's been done in Pulp fiction, Jackie Brown, and now kill bill. Gimme a break already, tell a straight story, but since the story is thin, it relies on this cheap gimmick to keep it interesting. Im not getting into what movie rips off others, cuz honestly thats a stupid argument. I mean if the people are comparing it to the matrix why arent they comparing kill bill's last sword fight scene to crouchin tigers sword fight scene where she took on just about the same amount of guys, the only diffrence here is the cheap gimmick off cutting limbs off. I know tarantino used the wire work in a way to make fun of other movies, so Im not gonna comment on the wire work. I got the sound effect that went along with uma thurman flipping backwards was in a way making fun of matrix wire work but you know what, Uma thurmans action moves were NOT impressive. I love uma don't get me wrong but Tarantino just cannot go on and on in every talk show dissing other talents when meanwhile his movie is nothing spectacular ! You cannot give me shit about Keannu or cary ann moss not working hard to look like they know how to kick ass in the fight scenes. Umas fight scenes where short and quickly cut, whereas in the matrix if you look at the extras in the dvd you will see that the fight scenes were extended so you can actually see the fighting talent and the hard work of months in training. Tarantino has become the micheal moore of movie making, talking out of his ass almost 90 percent of the time. kill bill..fun movie. Matrix reloaded. Fun movie. can you compare the 2? No. is harry a biased tarantino cock sucker? yes.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Since when are the credits not part of the movie?!

    by sweetestbaboon

    I'm really confused: A bunch of you supposed fans of film are pissed because Harry told u to stay til the end of the credits to see a supposed epilogue that actually was re-edited into the film, before said credits. And u blame him fer wastin' yer time... The question I have is thus: Since when are the credits not part of the movie?! If you truly enjoy cinema, how can u not at least stay to watch the names of the filmmakers who worked on the film? Don't they deserve at the least that much respect?! I wish every movie had a "Ferris Bueller" moment at the end. That way, those of us who wait the three minutes to go to the bathroom & give props to everyone who toiled over the celluloid are given a lil' somethin'-somethin' that is just fer us while the rest of u so-called movie fans are out in the parking lot.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 5:23 p.m. CST

    This isn't really a movie about Girl Power

    by SexyBeast

    I've seen some people talking about this, but all the women are commanded by a man, Bill. Bride is raped while in a coma. If this was a movie about girl power, the girls Vernita and O-Ren would gang up on Bill. Instead they just try to kill each other all over Bill.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Perfect Movie...

    by Surf Ninja

    Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, and now, Kill Bill. The fourth movie by Quentin Tarantino. I know it is best to go into a movie expecting the worst. As hard as I tried, I could not sway my hype for this movie. But when you expect so much from something, you have the world to lose... I saw Kill Bill the first time on Saturday. I wanted everything to be perfect. I ate my nachos before the movie started so I wouldn't be distracted by my own crunching. I ordered a medium coke so I knew that I was not going to be thirsty half way through. My brother and my dad picked their seats. They were a little too close for me, so I sat a little further back and dead in the center. Not much later, the theater became crowded. People started sitting behind me, in the next row to the left and the right, but no one sat right in front of me. I thought I had picked out the perfect seat. I had a nice view of the screen. Even if I wanted to move, I couldn't without giving up a center seat. The perfect seat. I was content. The movie started. "Revenge is a dish best served cold."- An old Klingon proverb I was hyped to the brim of hype. I wanted this movie to deliver on every which way imaginable. The beginning promised just that. "Bill... It's your bab...*POW*" Shocking, Bloody, Incredible. Possibly one of the best moments of the movie... slightly ruined by two middle aged black women sitting in the row behind me. Right after the head shot, they screamed "OOH!" It fazed me slightly, but I was determined not to let it bother me. As much as I tried to forget about it, I kept thinking that every time I see that moment from the movie in the future, I will remember the first time I saw it and how it was thrown to shit by these women. The song that played set the tone for the rest of the movie. I slowly started to get my mind back into things. Soon after, the viewers met up at the Bells' home. This is where Black Mamba and Mrs. Bell started beating the shit out of each other. The bride's hatred was represented in the alarm that went off in the score. Brilliant move by Tarantino. You can feel every hit, every jump, every knife swipe... but those two middle aged black ladies sitting in the row behind me were too busy rooting for Vivica and shouting "OOH!", "Lord!", and snapping their fingers that they completely ruined the scene for me. I didn't want to let it bother me, but it did. I looked for open seats, but I figured it would not matter. They were too loud for me to move anywhere else. This was my seat. My perfect seat. My perfect movie COMPLETELY RUINED BY TWO MIDDLE AGED BLACK WOMEN WHO COULDN'T SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF! I tried to pay attention to the movie. I tried to block the ladies out of my own little world. They just would not stop. In my mind, as much as I tried to stop, I kept imagining shooting them with a shotgun, snapping their necks and killing them with my bare hands so I could enjoy my movie. My movie. My PERFECT movie. One of a few reasons why I live just FUCKING RUINDED BY THESE WOMEN! I swear to you, if I had a gun on me and I knew that they wouldn't stop the movie for using it, I would have killed those women then and there. The move just kept on progressing, and every single glorious moment that came and went WAS JUST FUCKING RUINED BY THOSE WOMEN AND THEIR SHOUTS! I wanted to leave in the worst way, but I did not. I did not want to let them win. I did not want to miss my movie when it was right in front of me. My perfect movie. My perfect seat. But yet, I said nothing. I was on the brink of yelling my lungs out, but I was determined not to let them get the best of me, even though they were trampling on my mind the whole time. As the movie ended, I didn't have an opinion on the movie. I pretended I didn't see it. Those women ate at my brain and pissed on my life. I wanted to kill. When I got into the car, I yelled at the top of my lungs. I swear I have never been a racist, but an animalistic RAGE came over me. I screamed every racial slur there was followed by threats of murder with tears in my eyes. I wanted to kill those women. My brother and father told me to calm down because it was just a movie. They didn't and still do not understand. Movies are my life. If you fuck around with them, I will fucking kill you. I was so unimaginably angry on the ride home I only told them not to discuss the movie. For the rest of the ride I tried to forget about it. Forget about the women. Forget about everything I saw on the screen. I wanted to press the reset button. I wanted to see it for the first time again. I knew it was no use, but I kept telling myself it was possible. My dad told me we could see it again the next day. Before we went home, we had to say happy birthday to my grandfather. I smiled a fake smile and gave out fake emotions. I did not want anyone to know what happened to me. I wanted what happened to disappear. I didn't want it to exist. No matter how much I persisted, it was underlying in my mind. It was still there. I tried to forget about it as the night went on. The more I tried to forget it, the more it implanted itself in my mind. I saw the movie again today as planned. I recreated everything that occurred the day before. I ate my nachos early, I ordered the medium coke, and I sat dead center in the perfect row to watch the perfect movie again for the first time. I wanted it to be everything it was yesterday without the disruptions, but for some reason, I felt little to no emotion. The anger towards the women went away but the memory of what they did to me never went away. As every glorious moment came by, I tried to hype myself as I was yesterday, but for some reason, the emotion was gone. I could not feel for anything. No matter how perfect my seat was, no matter how perfect the movie was, everything just turned to shit. The memory of those two women came across as every great scene came by on screen. It should have been one of the greatest moments of my life. I should have been king of the mountain, high above all others. Everything was perfect...

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 5:43 p.m. CST

    no full dvd release?

    by v1cious

    taken from cnn.com "Kill Bill," whose two parts cost a total of $65 million to make, also will be released to home video and pay television in two installments, giving Miramax a double revenue stream in those markets, Sands said." DAMN IT! you suck harvey

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Thrill Kill Bill

    by monkeynaut

    Okay, just for the record. I wanted to love Kill Bill. WANTED TO LOVE IT. I wanted to love it like I wanted to tell you what Like a Virgin was about. Like I wanted to go medieval on your a$$. I wanted to love it so people who think they love it wouldn

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 6:29 p.m. CST

    rcamacho

    by Bourne GreyElf

    hey , I get you too. All I'm sayin is, if 11/05 doesn't cause the apocolypse, than 12/17 certainly will.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 7:35 p.m. CST

    does anyone know that song that played when Uma Thurman was in t

    by Steal_Dragon

    BTW, that movie was beyond cool.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Arrant Fanboy Bullshit

    by LewisWetzel

    There, I said it. I never imagined a long, gory swordfight could be so damned tedious. I just got back from watching it an hour ago and already the thing's fading from my memory.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Surf Ninja's post wins "AICN Arsehole Of The Year Award"

    by dr. robert

    Would you have been less upset if the two ladies were Caucasian? In future please keep that sort of rubbish to yourself.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Lucy and Uma's battle...

    by d5

    [quote]The Tao of Joe Subject: Did anyone notice (spoiler) Comment: That Oren Ishi-i's parents were murdered by Bill? Bill was the killer with the sword. The character who killed her parents had the same rings on his fingers, the same color in his hair, and the same sword (notice the dots on the handle). Perhaps this could explain why the bride was sad before she offed Oren's scalp near the movie's climax. Oren and the Bride have both lost everything to Bill. This could explain why Hanzo was sad about Bill when he wrote his name on the window (Hanzo trained Bill, Bill was in Japan, so he could have easily killed Oren's parents a while ago). The path to vengence is indeed a forest, one in which we could get lost in. [/quote] I think you make a good point TJ, these two where comrades in arms...though killing machines. The real villian is Bill...everyone else are pawns... Love Lucy Liu. She is just gorgeous. And Chiaki Kuriyama's haunting beauty is just stunning. Loved all the other babes...also.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Feel for you SurfNinja

    by Messyjoe

    I wasn't going to add anything this far down, because who the fuck reads stuff this late? However SurfNinja's lament (just above 2-3 entries), about a potentially perfect experience ruined by outside forces, touched by heart. His reaction would have been mine also. Hey guy just go again and try to forget what happened! Oh yeah, the film. Just one thing that Tarantino got wrong. You 'never' put away a katana in its scabbard without wiping the blade, preferably with silk, but the victim's clothes will do as well. Enjoy.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 9:41 p.m. CST

    It wasn't a racial thing...

    by Surf Ninja

    Truth is, it didn't matter if they were black or white. I would have wanted to kill them the same. It just seemed easier at the time to yell it. It was raw human emotion. I didn't even think about it, guys. I just shouted it. You can't possibly have any feeling when something you live for is pissed on. You want the person to feel your pain in the worst possible way. I'm not a racist. I shouted some things that I regretted, but at least I was honest about it, which is more than what 99% of you could say. I could have easily hidden that part from everyone, but I wanted to keep it real. You just don't think about the consequences when you're that angry.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Surf Ninja

    by Anomaly

    Yep. The theatre experience is a double edged sword. On the one hand you have the big screen and the big sound, yet on the other hand you have the occasional annoying sons of bitches. What can ya do?

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 9:54 p.m. CST

    by salparadise

    Her name is Beatrix

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Not for nothing, I TOTALLY AGREE with SURF NINJA

    by Rcamacho2278

    I have felt what he feels. The world is full of assholes, complete fucken assholes that don't know how to act, And just don't fucken get why we see movies. We see movies to get away from THESE ASSHOLES for 120 minutes. Now Im sorry but Im half black and Half Latino and I can straight up say its the fucken Truth that the majority of the time these fucken minorities don't know how to fucken Act. I remember when I Went to see 28 days later and I went to some theatre here in queens filled with minority teens. I could NOT enjoy the movie cuz when it was quiet you had some stupid ass trying to be a fucken joker. My girlfriend held my arm because if you shout them out all of a sudden its disrespect and they wanna fight. How fucken stupid can you be you just disrespected me by talking. But you can't really blame them, a lot of it is blamed on the parents for raising such asshole children. thats why instead of going to amc in times square for opening day I go to kips bay or 14th street to see my movie. around a buncha peaceful white people who are hardcore movie fans who just know how to fucken act. Its not always minorities, we know this, but it happens ENOUGH for it to be a stereotype. I went to see school of rock the other day and these fucken little white kids had their laser pointer. I jumped up and threatened them. I actually threatened them. I didn't care, I said I will fuck you up, I swear to god, I will. they stopped. I am betting, that one day, we will see in the news that someone got shot for disrupting a movie, and you know what, I won't feel sorry for the person who got shot. I WON't. IT NEEDS to happen so they learn, DONT FUCK WITH THE MOVIE

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Surf Ninja -- do you live in Tucson?

    by Mr Brownstone

    because, dude, those must have been the two same ladies who sat infront of me during Poetic Justice. Luckily I didn't give a rats ass about that movie and their *constant* comments about Janet Jackson's appearance were the most entertaining thing about that shitty movie. Did I mention the theatre was completely EMPTY except for me and them, and yet they chose to sit DIRECTLY in front of me anyway. Weirdos. ; /

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Sir Biyatch, with all due respect...

    by Surf Ninja

    I am not a racist. It was just an easy low blow, and like I said, I was raging angry. When you're that angry, you do not think at all. I was just being honest when I wrote about it. I'm not trying to cut the black people down. I love black people. My grandfather's brother is black. I have cousins that are black. A couple of my best friends are black. It was just an easy punch, and when you're that desperate to make them feel as angry as you, you'd do anything and say anything. and no I probably wouldn't have killed them. I'm an implosive kind of guy, and I did imagine killing them. But thinking about it/ saying it are different things than actually doing it. I should have told them to shut the fuck up, but I really didn't want to start any problems. They seemed like nice enough ladies, but I didn't know how they'd take it. I'm a pussy.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Feeling let down, but not as angry as Fuckknuckles

    by vikingkitty

    I was so excited about this movie. I arrived early so I could get a prime seat, dragging along an obviously reluctant date (who was under the impression we were going to see Mystic River; I had to burst her bubble when we arrived at the theater by informing her that movie isn't released until Wednesday). I am not pleased with the outcome. Oddly enough, my date seemed to enjoy it more than I did, so I guess there was a silver lining around the cloud of shit that was Kill Bill.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Biatch is an idiot

    by BarryEgan

    You sir, are a pretentious twat. I have never seen a talkbacker so completely oblivious to films that doesn't start with "M" and ends with "atrix". According to you, Pulp Fiction is a film you have just seen. Do you live in a fucking cave? Granted, Pulp is at the bottom of Tarantino films but to have just recently viewed it is mind boggling. I picture you still living in your mom's house waiting to jizz all over The Matrix Reloaded DVD come Tuesday.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Listen up

    by Darth Thoth

    I love movies because they allow me to escape. I love AICN because it allows me to discuss movies with other movie lovers. BUT I HATE IT WHEN I'M SLAPPED IN THE FACE BY RACIST COMMENTS POSTED ON THIS BOARD. Damn, it's 2003. People need to move on and get past their ignorance! The crap hurts! Blanket statements hurt. Y'all need to cut that crap out and examine yourself and what type of person you are- one who's about love and humanity or one who's ignorant and filled with prejudice. Hey, we all have prejudice. But the only way to defeat it is to examine yourself and look to change. It hurts when I see people on this board make racists comments and crap. Move on! Hey,I too hate it when people talk in movies but that's just ignorant people. I've seen people of all races do it. Grow up and get past those racists stereotypes. Damn. It feels like every other week people like me and Sir Biatch are calling people out on this nonsense. Just stop and let's talk about movies! Damn. It's all love. Why bring in hate and misunderstanding with blanket statements?!

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 11:39 p.m. CST

    the movie

    by Darth Thoth

    Kill Bill rocked by the way. And I too had loud people in my theater (which pissed me off) so I can empathize.

  • Oct. 12, 2003, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Surf Ninja, I know how you feel...

    by FD Resurrected

    One thing I didn't mention in my brief opinion of KILL BILL Volume 1 posted on this board is the college-age guy sitting behind me kicked the back of my seat twice, when I slightly reclined as I adjust my seat to be more comfy while the movie plays. This motherfucker and his date came about 10 minutes late into the show and sat behind me on the far left side. I didn't say anything, just a bit annoyed. If he had kicked the seat for a third time I would have exploded. Does he think I should kiss his fuckin' shoes? I didn't recline too far enough to provoke him, besides it's a fucking stadium seat that the movie theater chain promotes as comfortable reclining seat. The theater chain advertisers ought to take seatkicking assholes into consideration. Does anybody know how to take care of seatkicking assholes and babblemouth idiots when you're trying to enjoy a good movie? I don't want to get arrested and jailed for assault. Or letting them win when I give up and walk out with or without a refund after a complaint to the management. Going to the manager might solve the problem, but can the fucking manager be trusted to have the guts to go up to the assholes and tell them to shut up or get the fuck out?

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 12:03 a.m. CST

    I dont know if i was the only one

    by pogo on my own

    But this was the most disapointing movie going experince of my entire life. The movie was slow, I couldnt have given a shit about Uma's Character. The beeping over her name was ridiculas (just reshoot the scene or something). I think the only person more impressed with QT than most film ctitics is QT himself.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Awesome movie

    by George Newman

    Kill Bill was very very great. It was intense. So much so, that i am glad that it was split into 2 parts. I don't know if i could have handled anymore. It was a very full story, and not some shallow slice of the whole that i had thought it would be. The anime sequence was just a little longer than i would have liked but despite that, the movie was outstanding. Can't wait for Volume 2.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 12:55 a.m. CST

    FrankBlackRules

    by Darth Thoth

    It's all good my friend. I wish you the best in life. I have no chip on my shoulder. I was raised better than that. I'm just trying to do my part to make the world a better place and promote understanding and community awareness. That's all. Good night.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Sir Biatch

    by Darth Thoth

    What'sup my friend? Yeah, I agree with you 100%. Life is too short to waste it messing around with ignorant fools. You and I are like AICN's MLK and Nelson Mandela. lol. Well have a good night my friend. Peace and God bless!

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Epilogue?? (spoiler)

    by Sock_monkey

    (major spoiler below) Did the rest of you see an epilogue? I saw the film in Austin and the last scene (before the credits) had Bill mentioning that the Bride's daughter was alive.. then credits.. then nothing!!.. according to Harry's review there was supposed to be some sort of Epilogue. I was wondering if the end had been reedited so that - what was the epilogue (the daughter bit) - was now part of the film. Or did the chumps running the theater leave something off?

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 1:11 a.m. CST

    oops nevermind

    by Sock_monkey

    I didnt understand the order of the talkbacks and didnt see that my ?? had already been addressed BY THE WAY, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO FIND OUT HOW IMPOSSIBLE IT IS TO GET INTO BNAT5??

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 1:22 a.m. CST

    only made 22 Million for its first weekend, ...Ha Ha Ha...thats

    by iamarayya

    Oh well...Geeks like it and it makes 22 million but if geeks hate it it would make 90 million

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Tarantino--not a film god. Not an abject bungler either.

    by Selv

    Watched Underworld as well as Kill Bill vol 1. Underworld underwhelmed me, but Kill Bill did make my night at the movies a bit tolerable. Is it as great as some would like to think? No. The animation bit was lame and most of the soundtrack was as well. I didn't see anything revolutionary, wasn't expecting it either. But enough of the movie rose above camp and homage-to-some-bygone-movie-era to make it enjoyable. Who didn't root for Uma's character when she slammed the door repeatedly against the head of 'Buck'? Who didn't laugh a little when she and gave a wannabe Yakuza a spanking with the blunt of her katana? I give the movie 3 1/2 stars, maybe 4 if it got better the second time around.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 3:03 a.m. CST

    22 million is good

    by d5

    Both films total cost plus advertising is around 55 million....half of the budget is now paid for. In 3 weeks the movie will be making real profits....and the 2nd part is due in Feb! 22 million is more than was expected for this rated R movie...

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Splitting the movie

    by BigBadBalls

    I saw Kill Bill today, and whether or not they split it for financial reasons or artistic ones, it was the correct decision. It was the right length for the intense amount of violence that it included. If it had been 3 hours long, I would have been far too numbed by the end and the impact of the finale would have been diluted. Now, I can't wait for the second movie to come out.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Another Blaring Plot Hole

    by Starbuck1975

    One thing that really annoyed me in the film was when Daryll Hanna is standing over the Bride's bed, and Bill tells her not to murder her in her sleep because it would lower their standards as honorable ninja assassin whatever the hell they were...so how is shooting her in the head with a gun an honorable thing to do...given Bill's apparent martial arts background, wouldnt he simply just behead her with a friggin katana...I know why, because the plot is so friggin thin that such details were seemingly ignored in favor of lots of blood fountains Also if the Bride is such a kickass warrior, how was she not able to dispatch the five who tried to kill her at her wedding...she dispatches about 100 of the Crazy 88 clowns, but at her wedding, she gets the crap beat out of her by only five people.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Hey I agree with Surf Ninja: SASSY Black Women love to talk duri

    by MentallyMariah

    Hey, It's not about being racist but I do study people's reactions at movie theatres, thats MY JOB! Fun Job but can get very annoying...I went to see JEEPERS CREEPERS 2 on Sept 11, the theatre was pretty much empty...I opted to sit closer to the front while everyone was in the back...I SWEAR the whole time, This rather large black lady and her friend who was sitting two rows away from her were YELLING, I mean YELLLING at each other saying stuff like "CHANTELLE, THAT MOTHA FUCKER IS GONNA GET HIS ASS WHOOPED, SHIT...@!!!!" and stuff like that, typical, sassy black women banter...I don't feel that it's being RACIST in any way to mention the DEMOGRAPHIC and RACE of the people that are being RUDE..Okay so Surf Ninja got really pissed off, I know buddy, I feel yer pain when someone RUINS a MOVIE EXPERIECE for you that you had such high hopes for, but hey when you have to fill out those damn test survery results, There is a section where you have to check out your race...ASIAN, LATINO, BLACK etc...and from my experience, LATINOS and BLACKS LOVE TO BANTER during movies like they OWN THE G-DAMN PLACE..There have been a few WHITE TRASH Bee-yotchs who go to the movies once every three years and try to annoy the hell out of the normal average citizen...Face it, BLACK WHITE, LATINO, WHITE TRASH, GAY, BITCHY QUEENS, we all have experienced the IGNORANT FUCKHEAD who talks and during movies... And really there is no Resolution except for maybe not going on OPENING NIGHT or GOING TO A THEATRE In WhiteBred Surburbia where people sit STONE FACED to every movie, any movie any time, like the audience I saw Kill Bill with, total White Middle Class citizens who did not laugh, Hoot or holler during the film, It was kinda distubring...and of course there is always wait for the DVD and throw a wicked movie party, but what FILM GEEK WOULD just wait for the DVD? Basically theres nothing you can do except maybe complain but thats just adding fuel to the fire..I do think Theatre Managers should really devise a plan to correct this problem like SHOOTING PEOPLE WITH DARTS FILLED WITH ANIMAL TRANQUILEZER~!

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Disrupters of my movie experience

    by vikingkitty

    The packed theater in which I viewed this travesty of a movie was filled with a variety of people. There was a leather clad motorcycle gang, several technophiles playing with their pagers and cell phones before the movie, couples, and groups of geeks. The guy sitting behind me to my right wouldn't shut the fuck up, making inane comments all throughout the movie, presumably to the girl sitting next to him. It sounded like typical geek talk, so imagine my surprise when the lights came on and I turned to find a huge black guy that looked like he just walked off the offensive line somewhere. I think it provides a lesson in brotherhood and unity, but I'm not sure how.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 6:27 a.m. CST

    sir biatch, at last you have posted something that has some meri

    by shogunpoker

    So we're talkin movie watching etiquette? I think everyone who's seen more then five movies in thier life has had to deal with rude people who feel like they are the only ones in the theatre. It's most distracting when the theatre is maybe a quarter full and everyone is reasonably quiet. However when I saw KB, it was a full theatre near UCLA something like 1500 seats. When I saw a kick ass movie and the audience is into it, there is nothing better. I don't know who was making the most noise, everyone was collectively cheering and laughing making the film experience that much better. I don't think surf ninja is a bad person, even if you've never uttered a racial slur in your life (Very unlikely) you've probably at least let one ignorant racist thought pop into your head at some point. Even though sir biatch does'nt know jack shit when it comes to movies, he's right about posting that shit on these talkbacks. Most people know where surf ninja is coming from and realize that he is probably not skinhead, just a regular guy who let his emotions get the better of him. But when you post that shit, there will be some people who will say, "yeah, that's how black people are! I'm not alone in my beliefs, black people are the rudest people ever". When we think racist ignorant thoughts we should be embarrassed and ashamed. We should keep these thoughts to ourselves because we know they are wrong. We should not let them out into the world to perpetuate more ignorant thought.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 6:42 a.m. CST

    that said, I'm going to see KB again tomorrow!

    by shogunpoker

    For all those people who don't like the gore, why go see a QT movie about swordfighting? Would it sill have been a good movie without the gore? Yes, I still would have loved it, just not as much. Humans like gore and violence. Maybe it satisfies some animal instinct in us. The house of blue leaves was the most gory sequence in the movie and it was black and white half the time. Theres nothing wrong with enjoying a little of the old ultra-violence (As long as it's not real). Would any of you want to watch a watered down edited for television version of: Scarface, Robocop, the Wild Bunch, Reservoir Dogs? Of course not, cause like it or not, the gore is part of what makes them such classic films.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 8:49 a.m. CST

    re:bladerunnerunit (Spoilers: Discussion on ending of film)

    by shogunpoker

    I like the ending to KB. Sorta like Empire Strikes Back. First off the ending to the Lucy Liu fight was beautiful! Come on, when is the last time we've seen a good scalping? This movie was really about Lucy Liu (we learn very little about the bride, bill, or any of the other assassins) and her demise was very stirring. Again, I like that they cut this into two films and the very final scene sets up the next one nicely.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Did anyone else get upset

    by sualum

    or confused when you stayed through the end of the credits, because Harry said there was an important epilogue... AND THERE WASN'T!!?? I made other friends stay with me, and they all gave me the "look." Other than that, the movie kicked serious ass!

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 10:05 a.m. CST

    BREAKING NEWS: QT not doing Bond

    by Cerebud

    Loved Kill Bill. Don't believe the haters. From "The Scoop" on MSNBC.com: "Don

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 10:40 a.m. CST

    a mistake in the film:

    by trkane

    when o-ren slices uma's back, uma falls into the snow with her back to the ground. when she slowly rises, there is no blood in the snow. after a whole movie of excessive fake blood, do you think they ran out of the stuff right then? hmmm...

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 10:59 a.m. CST

    HARRY. PLEASE. TAKE A WRITING COURSE.

    by Wile_E_Peyote

    Jesus, get some order to your sprawling rambling reviews. I get bored half way through them. ENOUGH NAME DROPPING. We get it. You know people. Blah, blah, blah... By the by, Errol Flynn was excellent with a sword (trained with some of the best). Rathbone was better, but that doesn't diminish Errol's abilities. Oh, before I forget. WTF is with this posting system? THis is one of the worst I have ever seen. With the add revenue and your book, you think you could hire a web designer or something to fix this P.O.S..

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Starbuck...

    by The Tao of Joe

    I am afraid that after reading your last comment on Plot holes, you sir, do not know a plot hole from your asshole. So let your good old uncle Joe give you the run down. Ok. Here is an example of an actual plot hole: In the movie "Troll 2," we have a group of family and friends who are all attacked by evil goblins. The friends are all staying in a camper by the road, and there are 4, one of which is Elliot, the homoerotic boyfriend of the daughter in the family. One of elliots friends gets chainsawed into a green milkshake by the troll queen. He is dead. The other one just kind of sees that he is about to eat a milk shake, and we never see him again. The third non elliot friend gets seduced by the troll queen who suggestively covers him with popcorn in what was the strangest pg-13 sex scene ever filmed. This guy is covered in popcorn, but he is quite alive. Ok. The family goes home, but we have no clue what happened with the friend who was going to be drinking a green goop version of his friend, nor do we know what happened to the kid who was covered in pop corn. Could they have become the mayors of the goblin city after the family destroyed them? We don't know, because in the plot, we have these things called holes. PLOT holes. As for why Bill shot her instead of killer her with a Kitana? Maybe its a statement as to why she didn't die. He probably shot her because he wanted to mess up her face instead of removing her whole head. Thats hubris good buddy, but then again maybe I am looking too deep into it. For whatever reason he wanted to, Bill shot her. Your qualm is really invalid. I mean it would be like if there was a movie with a character who was insanely in love with chocolate, and then for breakfast, he eats Fruit Loops. Why didn't he eat coco puffs? Who knows. Its a moot point. Onto the 88's. The bride dispached the 88's because with the exception of Gordon Liu (who she has to try and kill twice), they were all teenagers, and the only two people in the movie who gave the bride a challenge physically was Oren Ishi-i, and Vernita Greene. Oren almost killed her, their prowesses were almost matched. You take 5 people of Oren and Vernita's power, and have them beat the fuck out of The Bride, there is not going to be a whole lot she can do to them alone. This is why she is attacking them one at a time, instead of waiting for a Viper assasination squad reunion party. Yeah it would be cool and poetic to kill them all at once, but the bride knows it is impossible I am sure.

  • This movie owned me. I sat there taking in all the coolness with a big stupid grin on my face not unlike a giddy schoolgirl with a new bonnet. I LOVED THIS FILM.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 12:11 p.m. CST

    oops

    by sualum

    Like sockmonkey, I didn't realize the talkback went in reverse order... I pretty much figured the "Does she know" was the epliogue, but for everyone's sanity, puh-lease update your review, then.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 12:15 p.m. CST

    How to deal with jerks in movie theaters.

    by FrankCobretti

    Step 1: "Excuse me, please keep it down." Step 2: "Sshh!" Step 3: Get the manager. This simple three-step process is much more effective than just sitting there getting pissed off.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Most annoying persons in your local theatre

    by Terry_1978

    1) The guy that thinks he's Servo of MST3K and finds it neccessary to make wise cracks throughout the film...dude, you are not funny!!!! 2) People with babies or young children...if you can't afford babysitters, then you can't partake in cinema, end of story 3)People with cell phones...especially the ones with the 3 minute long rings that let them ring just for fuck's sake so they can show everyone else they have a new ring tone. 4) The talkers.....yes, I am black, and my neighborhood theatre is full of this type, so much so that I sometimes have to go the quote unquote "good" theatre in the suburb area...though sometimes it gets outta control in those theatres as well. Sat by a bunch of abercrombie and fitch wearing white guys that would not shut the fuck up for some inane reason.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Uma's Feet

    by BigBadBalls

    Uma is one incredibly hot piece of tenderloin. But man, does she have ugly feet. She owned this movie, by the way.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 2:20 p.m. CST

    QT and James Bond

    by Jervis Tetch

    I believe that the James Bond makers don't want QT to make a Bond movie. It's on record in a few articles that the Bond movies are a family franchsie (the Broccoli family), that they're very jealous of outsiders, and that they simply don't want anybody who is "too hot or special" (Spielberg, Tarantino) taking over the family business,even for one film. This is also why some very big stars have been turned down to play Bond villains. Meanwhile, a lot of "Kill Bill" IS QT's version of a Bond movie, IMHO, especially when GoGo is coming at the Bride with that killer mace-and-chain. That's a babe-licious Bond v. Oddjob, to me.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 2:41 p.m. CST

    The red dots...

    by empyreal0

    ...were the most entertaining part of this movie, hands down. My god, I feel like I'm in an art gallery staring at a painting made with shit, surrounded by dozens of pathetic little sycophants in black turtlenecks talking about the brilliance of his method and disregard for the status quo. If bashing a movie like this for its complete lack of intellect makes me elitst, then so be it. I have no interest in hopping on the bandwagon; there's a difference between an open mind and an empty one.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 2:52 p.m. CST

    OK, KB Is A Movie In The QT Universe, Like The Vega Boys Would G

    by Buzz Maverik

    So is that Mrs. Mia Wallace playing The Bride? It's drivin' me maaad, it's maaakin' me craaazy!

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill and The Matrix

    by SLEAZY DINOSAUR

    I would say that I liked Kill Bill better, but I liked The Matrix as well. Both movies borrow pretty liberally from other sources, but I think they both mean it as an homage and the creators of both filter it through their own lenses. I've never liked those Hong Kong flicks that Tarantino is paying homage to, but I like his unique version of them. I also didn't care for Dark City or anime that much, but I liked the Wachowski brothers take on them. I don't think there is anything really deep going on in The Matrix, it has some pop psychology, and some basic philosphy grafted onto the story, but it's nothing that your average adult can't grasp, but I will say that biaytch has a point, you don't find many summer action flicks with even a little philosophy sprinkled in, so people that haven't been exposed to it might actually think a little walking out of the megaplex. Of course, I doubt very many people would be plunking their money down to watch these sunglasses wearing hipsters discuss the meaning of life if their wasn't kung-fu, guns, and hot models in tight clothes. It's also true that, while there is a lot of violence in The Matrix, it's not bloody or gory, but some might say that's worse, since it makes it seem like there's no consequences to the violence. In Kill Bill, when you see the club filled with killed and maimed guards, you know they won't be getting back up to keep fighting, the violence has consequences. But I'm not going to claim there's some deep meaning to Kill Bill, it's just a cool action movie, nothing more, nothing less. I once had a friend that loved watching Xena Warrior Princess, he would always claim that there was some deep philisophical meaning to the show, he couldn't just admit that he liked watching Lucy Lawless's boobies bounce.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Stop it with 9-11

    by Malan

    I've had enough of americans saying the world has changed since 9-11. The world has NOT changed. Thousands upon thousands of people die violent deaths every year sometimes in war, sometimes not. It's not because innocent people have, for the first time in the United States, been murdered by people from a foreign country that the world is going to change. And it's going to happen again if the government doesn't change its ways. By the way, there's no link between violence in movies and violence in real life. So don't be offended or anything, by violent movies unless the movie actually makes fun of 9-11. Does Kill Bill do that? No! Kill Bill is simply an amazing movie that should be watched as a movie. Now quit whinning about violence (fake violence) in movies and demand that your government stop acting and reacting so violently (real violence).

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 5:19 p.m. CST

    The Part where Uma falls to the hospital floor, Legs not working

    by MentallyMariah

    Notice she falls splat to the floor, kinda like when Jamie Lee Curtis falls out of the car outside the hospital in Halloween 2m Then in Kill Bill, this halloweenish music kicks in and she is crawling in the room, I dunno got a Halloween 2 vibe from the whole thing...also Did she wash her face by throwing a BEDPAN FULL OF URINE ONTO HER FACE?? if so eeeeewww and yeah she's got some ugly ass feet and the RED DOTS were so distracting!!! I felt like I was having a acid flashback!

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Quentin Taratino explained....

    by empyreal0

    After a long lunch hour, it finally dawned on me. I've finally figured it out, and yes, you can all rest easy. You see, I failed to realize something about QT before, but now that I know this one thing, everything makes sense. Quentin is mildly autistic; he suffers from Asperger Syndrome. Stay with me here, this is good. Apart from the obvious symptoms, ie, his Rainman-like knowledge of movies and trivia, QT demonstrates several other key characteristics. One such characteristic is his tendancy toward objectification. His characters demonstrate a severe lack of internal, emotional complexity, operating under certain basic rules; betraying his own inability to comprehend the emotive responses of others. Studies show that children or adults who demonstrate "a lack of empathy or social or emotional reciprocity, echoing lines from videos or books" may be mildly autistic. All this time, I thought people had been referring to Tarantino as an "artist", but now everything seems cleared up. I hope this helps explain things to a few of you as well.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Starbuck watch the movie with your brains.

    by Malan

    As someone else said, who knows why Bill shot her instead of slicing her. Maybe he vowed to never use a sword against his own assassins or something. Who knows why people do what people do. As for the bride being able to fight off hundreds of people at once in the house of blue leaves but getting beaten by five at her wedding. 1, they were probably more deadly, but more importantly 2, she was pregnant!!!

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Where was the freakin epilogue?????

    by route66kix

    Okay, I saw this at Barton Creek (dat's in Austin to the uninitiated) on Saturday. I had heard that there was a kick ass epilogue after the credits. No prob, I always watch the credits anyway. After the credits, all we got was the lights up, and the annoying coke n popcorn slide and latest JLo song. WTF??????? Were we ripped off, or what?

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Oops...

    by route66kix

    Okay, let's beat my ass - I didn't read all of the replies. Looks like I wasn't alone. It also sounds like there was something extra for the press folks, as AICN isn't the only place I read about the "epilogue". DAMMIT!!

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 6:19 p.m. CST

    epilogue

    by ReDWasK

    must be the daughter still alive bit, i too felt like an idiot after telling my friend there was something after the credits, i really thought it was gonna be The Bride finishing what she was saying before Bill shot her, i think the kid is his too...? :P

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Aw for fuck's sake....

    by route66kix

    I promise I will never post unless I read all previous posts... I promise I will never post unless I read all previous posts... I promise I will never post unless I read all previous posts... Am I forgiven?

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Holy S***

    by Libra_dream422

    Oh my goodness, this movie was great. I have just been dying to get this out since I saw it last night. Wish I could personally sent Quentin and the lovely Uma an e-mail to tell them just how much this film blew me away, but alas, I don't know them. Wow. I think I must've said that 3-letter word about 50 times last night. This movie kept me smiling from ear to ear. Thank you, thank you Quentin, for making a film that's actually worth watching. I myself am so damn picky about movies, I haven't been to the theatre since The Two Towers. It feels so good to spend 8 buckaroos and actually feel like you ripped off the theatre. Pure enjoyment. Oh wow, I guess I'm going off on a tangent here but woowee (is that a word? ) Well, hell if I know but that's all I've been thinking since I saw it. Volume 2 couldn't get here soon enough. Nice. Ok. I'm done now. Erica, upstate N.Y.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Script Error - # of dead bodies?

    by Space Vacuum

    When the 2 Texas police/sherrif guys walk in and the younger one is explaining the carnage to the older one, he says nine people are dead. Later in the film, The Bride tells O-Ren she made a mistake ... she killed nine but "should have killed ten" implying that The Bride was #10. So the police guy should have thought there were ten dead, not nine, since The Bride was thought to be dead at that point in the film. yes? no? www.dildont.com

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 8:25 p.m. CST

    To Libra_dream422

    by django_1

    Cool response to the movie, Erica. ;-)

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 8:45 p.m. CST

    this movie is not that great

    by c-lo

    the reason we all like tarantino is cuz he was supposed to be the next great filmmaker. but since he's not, i see no reason to keep finding greatness in what he does. put your hope in somebody who isnt washed up. if he makes the best movie ever - YOU'LL KNOW IT. and killbil isnt it. he'll have to direct other peoples scripts or at least shoot adaptations again, cuz he cant write a scene that doesnt seem like it all came from his mouth. ie: didnt every character in kilbil seem like it was HIM speeking? only not as drunk.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 9:21 p.m. CST

    empyreO, interesting point

    by Jervis Tetch

    If QT's got Asperger's Syndrome, he's in good company. A recent publication says that Stanley Kubrick and Alfred Hitchcock may have had it,too. If it's for real..P.S. $22 million got QT the #1 slot, but unless it holds up week to week, now we know why Miramax split this mother in half. Part one's looking to top out around $60 mil. Not enuf. (But these are great cult film numbers. Which is what "Kill Bill" really is.)

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Asperger syndrome Re: empyreO, interesting point

    by FD Resurrected

    Steven Spielberg had it too. I was supposedly diagnosed with Asperger syndrome but a recent visit to a shrink last year doesn't believe that in a report despite my mother's belief. More info explaining Asperger syndrome can be found at http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.html Anyhow, let's keep Kill Bill on-topic...

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 9:49 p.m. CST

    movie talkers

    by hank quinlan

    I just wanted to say something about movie talkers (if that discussion is still going on). I'll avoid the whole race issue by just saying people all over are assholes. For example, thing is worse then an old white couple in their 60's. They can be downright loud and annoying (and mean. when I was waiter you couldnt believe someones grandparents treated people like that). But listen up kids. I have studied the talker. They are my enemy. Here is a field guide. First they will arrive at the end of the previews/beginning of the movie. They try to grab the best seats available especially in the coveted center spot. Also, they have plenty of candy and popcorn in tow. And if you are really unlucky they brought the kids. They have zero respect for personal space so they will sit right near you if they like those seats. My date and I sat in an empty theatre until the talkers arrived ten minutes in and sat DIRCTLY BEHIND US and talked the whole time. Talkers believe they are they only ones in theatre and that it is their living room essentially. They comment on the film because they cannot fathom things that dont relate to them so they make the film relate to them. This is how I avoid them. Always sit in the back to the side especially if they have rows that divide the main section of the seats from the side ones. DO NOT go for the center seats. This is where talkers are. Go to matinees especially on weekdays. Avoid opening weekends if you can. If you go on a Sat. night opening weekend to a highly anticipted film DO NOT expect an optimal viewing experience. If someone is talking, I too would like to tell the people off but then you will just get in a big fight. Forget it. That wrecks the movie. Just move away. Sit behind them. Sound carries forward. People are awful and have no manners. It's just how they are. My dad is talker. When we go to the movies I make him sit far from anyone I am so embarressed. I had ex who want to discuss the goddamned movie DURING the movie. This was a lily white sorority type girl (an underrated but very dangerous talker species). Bad manners and narcissim cross all lines. Dont look for the skin. Look for the behavior. Avoid at all costs. It may mean waiting a week. Or seeing a movie before work but it's worth it. Remember when they had ushers to shush people. Me neither but it would ROCK. Sometimes its great when you have a rowdy crowd like Weird Wed. midnite screenings at the Drafthouse but thats WHY you go. I'm sorry people's experience gets ruined but you cant change morons. Just try to avoid them. Happy moviegoing. Kill Bill rules!

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 10:02 p.m. CST

    to space vacuum

    by ReDWasK

    i think the police left out The Bride's child, that's the most likely scenario ;)

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 10:51 p.m. CST

    "KILL LOUD BLACK WOMEN" VOl. 1

    by truthseekr1488

    (Dir: SurfNinja, 2003). After a long-awaited movie experience is irreperably ruined by a pair of obnoxiously inconsiderate "sistas" (played with hilarious abandon by Whoopi Goldberg and Martin Lawrence, the latter in high drag-queen mode) the mysterious film-geek known only as "SurfNinja" vows to exact bloody vengence. Limbs and heads fly and blood gushes like geysers as SurfNinja engages on his one-ninja vigilante crusade to rid the city of obnoxious moviegoers. With a soundtrack ranging far and wide across the pop music spectrum, "KLBW:1" has its moments, but ultimately only lifelong movie buffs familiar with the many "homages" hidden in the film (including anime, schlock horror like "Friday the 13th," disaster epics and women-in-prison flicks) will fully appreciate "KLBW:1"'s rich texture. SurfNinja promises a real ending to the cliffhanger-like conclusion of Vol.1 (in which he leaves a theater screaming...and did he really kill the shadowy "Biatch" or was it an illusion?) and lots of super-sized SFX for Volume 2, including, as a press release describes it, "An epic battle between the heroic SurfNinja and an army of over 100 computer-generated Loud Black Women, this time with specially-enhancing hollering abilities."

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:12 p.m. CST

    No, I will NOT change my viewing habits because of ASSHOLES

    by Rcamacho2278

    Like I Said, a few people need to be shot in the theatres for them to shut the fuck up.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Whoa, now ...

    by HallowedBThyName

    People saying this flick has great fight scenes, is a classic, etc. what drugs are you on?*****Film has lots of "cheat" cuts, decent choreography but really ...*****Harrys set reports were about the most entertaining thing posted on Internet -- ever -- but film is not in same league.*****Still pretty entertaining, 6 out of 10, thankfully not as violent as advertised. Split into 2 parts a good idea, you need a bathroom break.*****Heroes of this film are cinematographer, set designer, because its great looking film -- and marketing people.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 11:53 p.m. CST

    lame, i left after 1 hour

    by hunglikeme

    Complete waste of time. He made too perfect an homage to the old crapfests. Lame dialogue, dull action, bad acting. If this bomb had had QT dialogue, it might have worked for me. I saw it saturday, and the theater chickie told me that by the time i left (the fourth showing-2 fri, 2 sat) they had already given refunds to thirty-odd people. The attendance also dropped by about 35% between friday and saturday. The theater i was in was 1/3rd empty-on the second night! I guess QT really is a one-trick pony like i always thought. You know they don't have much faith in a movie when they have to sell it on QT's cult following. I talked to a bunch of regular people (not film geeks) and none of them liked it. They didn't hate it, they just got squat out of it.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:07 a.m. CST

    KB - meh... i said meh.

    by jinchoung

    the opening had me. it was no holds barred and just went for the gusto. if the entire movie did that, i would have loved it. but believe it or not, it felt like it was pulling its punches too much. wedding party should have been bigger. more of it should have played out ON SCREEN. pulling punches. vivica fox v. uma... ok cool, so you have a situation where no matter what viv says, uma's out for blood. no reasoning. no forgiveness. you took from me my life and child, do you think flaunting yours at me will inspire mercy? uma is gonna murder viv... in cold blood if need be. that's cool. don't see that much in an american movie protag. but then it resolves that episode not with the cold blooded murder of a perhaps changed woman. instead, we get an ULTRA-HACKNEYED 'bad guy gives the good guy an excuse to kill the bad guy' routine that seemed trite in lethal weapon 1. --------------------------------- sword forger intro - what they were saying might be considered sparkling tarantinoesque dialogue in some language other than english. but in english, it felt long, dull and pointless. if you've ever known anyone in ESL and had more than a minute of conversation with such a person, the first five minutes would have just bored you with the tedium of it. --------------------------------- a lot of the movie seemed to be missing a beat: slow mo parade of the yakuza into the restaurant. starts out cool. but then it ends with them GOING IN AND STARTING DINNER?! eeeuuuuuaaauuuugh. what the hell kinda payoff is that? you want that slow mo shot before the someone ends up in the back seat of a sedan bleeding his guts out or just before they go to fuck up a ninja gang or something. not before they order chicken yakisoba! uma hanging above gogo on the ceiling.... ok but what's the payoff? nothing!!! it's a showy kinda bit of action with absolutely no point to it! and we saw it in spiderman very recently and even there, the bit of action had a closing beat with the blood drop. harry makes a good point about the anime segment... how the form ties into function with a good justification for a stylistic shift. but not all the movie was that tight. --------------------------------- also, having bill call back daryl hannah just made the entire sequence of her entry essentially pointless. sure it gives us some backstory and sets up certain characterizations but it's a boring waste of time. also, it's not good that a protagonist 'gets a break'.... especially so early in the film. sure sure it characterizes just the exact variety of psychopath bill is but it defuses the tension way too much. would have been stronger if her entire escape was done under the threat of secret murder in the night. --------------------------------- uma's rape should have been portrayed during film time. it would have solidified audience sympathy and identification for her character and made the horror of it all real. somehow, the narration of it just rang very hollow to the point where i was thinking - 'ok, she was raped while unconscious, got it....' also, the whole slaughter of her would be rapist... not vicious enough. you're uma. you can kill a man by lookin' at him, this guy was gonna rape you while you were in a coma, you're not gonna do some heinous onscreen thing to his genitals? no? no? --------------------------------- it felt hollow. the rage just didn't register. movie wasn't very structurall tight... felt like lots of flab. hope the punisher movie is more moving than this. jin

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Speaking of great sword scenes...

    by truthseekr1488

    I know people have been dumping on 'Underworld' but there's a great scene near the end where Kate Beckinsale is fighting the nasty Elder Vampire with this terrific medieval sword...she flies past his head and lands on her feet about ten yards away from him...you don't think anything has happened and are waiting for the fight to continue, when...she slowly holds the sword up and a big dribble of blood runs down it and you realize she connected with it -- but how? We cut to the Elder Vampire who's looking a bit perplexed until the top half of his head s-l-o-w-l-y slides off the bottom half and we realize that she managed to neatly slice his head in half during her lightning-quick flash past him. .....It looks like something that could've been borrowed from an anime film, that level of coolness. .... BTW, since I'm off-topic on 'Underworld' I might as well mention it was a fun film. Kate Beckinsale underplays her role very nicely, and the Elder Vampire -- played by a British actor who's name I can't recall -- is superb. The only guy who stinks up the whole film is the 'actor' who plays Craven. Some of his facial expressions were so overacted that it drew laughs from the audience where I saw the film. This guy really should not be acting, or the director should not have let him get away with such scenery-chewing b.s. End Rant. ... We now return you to the KILL BILL talkback already in progress...

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Logic problems and the true talkers during movies

    by HardcoreRocker

    1. How in the name of sweet Jesus can Uma Thurman be in the truck of a hospital worker she just murdered and left the body in the room for 13 hours without anyone giving a shit? 2. You're telling me that whatever-her-name-was Fatale, after losing an arm, doesn't run the fuck away during that fight? Yeah RIGHT. That having been said I loved the movie. And white teenagers are just as bad as black people about talking in movies, I've yelled at WAY more white teenagers than black people in movies. www.rockithardcore.com

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 4:08 a.m. CST

    I HOPE YOU READ THIS HARRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by RUBBERSOUL12

    BLESS THEM ALL. The MPAA gives this an R but gives anything with a cock or too much blood or to much of the wrong humor (southpark uncut; countless others) a threat of a NC17. Come on man be consistent. The only reason Quentin got his way was because of the money this film was going to make, and all you do is glaze over it and take your fix from what they let you have. Be a man dude, if you truly love film address this issue, make it heard. No one including me gives a shit about what I say, right!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 4:19 a.m. CST

    re:jinchoungMuch respect for detaling why you don't like KB inst

    by shogunpoker

    The movie was not about the wedding, would you have wanted more of the robbery in reservoir dogs? The vivica fight was awesome! I also hate the bad guy gives the good guy a reason routine, but it was perfect in this film. Once the little girl came in, I thought okay, this is like the Killer. They're honorable warriors and won't kill each other in front of a child. I thought it was a setup for a new fight sequence in the park. You can't have the protagonist kill a mother in front of her child! Love the little talk uma gives the daughter. Very raw emotional scene that is unheard of in any american film i've seen. The yakuza slo mo parade was vintage QT. Sure, he coulda done what you wanted and gone the joel silver/jerry bruckheimer route. Introduce the gang of baddies doing some awful act to establish them as the villians. QT was crafting a sequence. This movie was really about Lucy Liu (You're right, we learn little or nothing of the wedding, the bride, her groom, bill, or any of the other assassins.) and when she enters the house of blue leaves with her gang, it is the begining of her showdown with the protagonist. Having bill call darryll hannah was not pointless, you stated the point, it was to show what kind of man bill was. Having her escape under threat of murder would mean that she would've had to come out of her coma very quickly. Part of the drama was the fact that she was in a coma for so long and loses her baby which we now know to be alive. I also disagree that her rape should have been shown on screen so that we could solidify our sympathy for her. The way her rapes were revealed was darkly funny and heartbreaking. If it sounds like im on qts jock, it's cause I am. His movies kick ass! Don't get me wrong, I'm not some pretentious asshole who hates all big budget studio action films. I like Matrix, xmen, LOTR, bad boys. Those movies are fun, but watching a quentin tarantino movie is a true, "Moviegoing experience". They're why I go to movies. I'm pumped like hell for volume 2, and I've got a HARD ON over what I'm hearing about his next film, "inglorious bastards". Word is he wants Adam sandler and michael madsen for his WW2 "men on a mission" flick.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 8:49 a.m. CST

    jinchoun, good post.

    by minderbinder

    Some excellent points there, although I don't agree with all of them (showing the rape). Pacing is definitely an issue, every time the momentum gets going, he throws in a mundane scene.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 9:32 a.m. CST

    my aicn brothers and sisters, you disappoint me!

    by Hud

    all this heated opinion and not one word about being spanked by Uma using the flat of her sword? And you call yourselves perverts!

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:07 p.m. CST

    On showing rape in KB Vol 1

    by django_1

    You sick FUCKS!!! Thankful Master Filmmaker Auteur, Quentin Tarantino is above your WICKED LIVES. Sometimes, NOT showing something is more impactful and appropriate. Showing that shit would DEFINITELY be gratuitous in KB. In movies, like the "The Accused," and "Boys Don't Cry" staging the brutality of such an act is appropriate and serves the dramatic purpose of those movies, NOT to allow some SICK fanboys to GET OFF on it. YOU SICK FUCKS!!!!

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Jarmusch

    by quixorocker

    I haven't been around for a lot of this discussion about Tarantino but what constantly seems left out of any discussion about him is Jim Jarmusch whose film Ghost Dog was a much more interesting exploration of anachronistic samurai code witha soundtrack by the RZA than Kill Bill was in a lot of ways or his movie Mystery Train which is nonlinear overlapping storytelling with the ghost of Elvis and strange rock nd roll pop-culture fixations featuring Joe Strummer and Screamin Jay Hawkins from like the eighties. What about DEad MAn I'm not so much saying Tarantino is biting him too but that he was making the same sort of Homage's much earlier in the same sort of context but he hardly gets a mention.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:25 p.m. CST

    epilogue

    by squeak

    alright. i admit it. the super-combo offer got the better of me and i ran out to piss right after the movie. someone save me the 10 bucks and fill me in on the epilogue that "changes everything." of course i skipped reading harry's review until i had seen the thing.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Vol2 spoilers and script

    by notime4lvdrjones

    http://www.bol.ucla.edu/%7ealexward/script.htm

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Wannabe critics

    by Malan

    Jinchoung, and every one else in the world was was ever tempted to make the same kinds of comments about movies that are (with some degree of objectivity of course) good. First. Shut up with the pacing. Think about it; since when do movies have to be perfectly paced to be good (I'm not talking about cheap let's-do-it-the-way-everybody-does-it-and-try-to-please-everyone bluckbuster movies). Second. Why the hell would you say the introduction to the sword maker dialogue was not interesting. Oh, I get it; because YOU didn't like it. You sound like you want all the dialogue in the movie to be plot driven or have some jokes in it or something. Third. Stop looking for so called pay offs at the end of every scene. Guess what. It's a movie, not an amalgam of sketches. Looks to me like you've been bread on too much hollywood blockbusters and now not only expect, but want your movies to be generic. Forth. Show the rape! It could only have cheapened the movie because it did not belong in it. And now we can imagine things being done to her that are much worse than what could have been shown on screen. It's a lot more effective that way as far as making us feel for the character. If you want to see gratuitous sex, go watch some porn. End. Ok, I probably forgot a few points but, I'll leave it at that. Oh, one last thing. Stop acting like a critic. Opinions are opinions, not facts.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 5:03 p.m. CST

    yep, still meh

    by jinchoung

    hey guys, of course it's just my opinion. but it's not strong writing to preface and prologue everything with IMO or IMHO.... disagree as much as ya like. no skin off my nose and you're probably more right than me anyway. actually, i thought the vivica v. uma fight was the best fight of the movie. everything did seem very fast and very brutal. me likee. it's the resolution of the scene that i had a problem with. (i never read the script so this isn't a spoiler - just musing - but wouldn't it be nifty if vivica's daughter was actually uma's. so when she grows up and still feels 'raw' about it, she comes after mommy. of course, then uma or bill would have to be part black... KB3?) as for payoffs and such - they're not just hollywood drivel. sure, there can be a slavish devotion to structural things to the point where movies are nothing but formulas with the variables swapped out but the essence is mere common sense. why have payoffs? it's the point. you don't say things to hear your own voice. you don't tell a joke without a punchline. you don't for the most part do something without any kind of rationale whatsoever (unless you're going for somekind of neorealist kinda aesthetic which kb certainly is not). another good example of this that i neglected to mention was the final fight in the restaurant where uma takes on boss masked guy. they end up fighting on the railing for absolutely no reason other than to show that they can do it! there was no tactical advantage of moving there and no reason whatsover to stay there. but they did... for some strange reason. arbitrariness doesn't make for good drama imo (there, happy? :)). same thing with shots of a car being flanked by motorcycles and such... it's all visually cool but to no end. it may play well at the beginning of a movie or to introduce a character for the first time but then just do it once! you have the car intro. you have the anime intro. you have the slow mo intro.... jhc, we got it... she's introduced! and the motorcycle shots in japan are an homage to akira or something... ok but a visual riff should have a payoff in the context of this current movie. alas, there are no motorcycle action scenes or anything. another drama 'principle' goes something like, 'if there's a shotgun hanging over the fireplace when the curtain goes up, it better get used somehow before the curtain goes down'. you don't waste a beat to set something up and not pay it off. again, these principles are not things alien to qt. most of his movies are shining examples of such things being done well. hell, sometimes he warps time to make a future event a setup for a payoff that occurs in the past! but kb just wasn't 'tight'. jin

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 5:36 p.m. CST

    This journalist gets Tarantino's "influences" for "Kill Bill" ou

    by Declan_Swartz

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Pay offs

    by Malan

    Well, you just prooved to me that you are too hung up on your 'pay offs' with your little drama principle : 'if there's a shotgun hanging over the fireplace when the curtain goes up, it better get used somehow before the curtain goes down' (By the way that's not a drama principle as it has nothing to do with drama). According to you just because people are featured riding motorcycles there has to be something like a motorcycle fight later in the movie. I agree that there should be some sort of pay off in most movies, but not for every single thing or in every single scene. It's entertaining if it's there, but it's not needed. If you need it, then stick by the movies that have enough pay offs for you in every scene, but don't bash the rest. It's funny that in such an extravagant movie, you complained about one of the few things that make it a bit more life like. I'll answer a question for you. Why did Uma hide on the ceiing and then nothing ensued? She new she was about to be discovered, looked around and saw there was no where else to hid. By the way pay off isn't a very specific term. In this case if you ask me the pay off to her presence being suspected is the moment when you don't know whether she'll be discovered or not and the pay off to that is the relief that she did not get busted. I guess you expected a fight, tough luck, you had to wait what 2 minutes maybe. Or perhaps you expected a drop of blood to drop to the floor (which by the way I personally don't concider a pay off to anything). Are payoffs needed for dramatic purposes? Yes! Are they needed for every single thing featured more or less prominantly in the movie or needed in every scene. No! If you answered yes, then in my book you are not open minded at all and have a poor sense of what drama is. Drama can be a lot closer to the basics of real life than hollywood lets people know. Personally I'm sick of movies where they have a scene about say... an object of some sort and the scene is nice in itself, but then later on in the movie you realize that that scene was there for no other purpose but to have a bigger pay off later on. It's not that it's bad to do this, only that it's done too often and can be done more subtely. Now, I know this last thing doesn't proove my point at all, but I just had to say it.

  • Oct. 14, 2003, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Just a thought

    by sashal

    "The highest as the lowest form of criticism is a mode of autobiography." . . . "It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Diversity of opinion about a work of art shows that the work is new, complex, and vital. When critics disagree the artist is in accord with himself." - Oscar Wilde (from the Preface to "The Picture of Dorian Gray")

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 12:36 a.m. CST

    inglorious bastards info

    by shogunpoker

    http://www.neoflux.com/celeblogs/tarantino/inglorious_bastards/

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 1:50 a.m. CST

    by jinchoung

    i agree that i'm using the term 'payoff' rather broadly. i'm actually using it to mean quite a broad array of things. i was speaking in generalities but if ya want to pick it apart, let's. (i actually think that we may be closer in opinion than it seems... perhaps it's just a matter of semantics and emphasis - either in fact or just in the way we're expressing ourselves here.) be that as it may- the verisimilitude argument never worked for me. because it happens in life is absolutely no reason for it to happen in fiction. fiction probably has very little to do with actual real life. very few dramatic characters ever take a dump on screen. very few ever have to take a piss break. DRAMATIC ART IS THE DISTILLATION OF THE ESSENCE of life - or at least someone's interpretation of it. as such, it is expression and carries the burdens of expression. in that case, the BEST EXPRESSION is that which conveys its 'message' (using term broadly) as deliberately and economically as possible. all mediums have forms that dictate the economy. in film, you only have 90 min, there's precious little time to dilly dally with incidental and unimportant details. so yah, that it happens in real life means little to me if it doesn't help the expression. (to take it even further - all films today are in color. but how many films actually make the color mean something? i take it even to the point that nothing - not even COLORS should merely be incidental. if it's there, it should pull its weight and contribute. heck, it doesn't even have to be subtle - blue/green in matrix is a good example of makin' it count) in terms of the ceiling hang thing, you're right, pay-off is the wrong term. in spider-man, the blood drip isn't really a payoff either... it's just an extra beat that amped the point. but the difference between the two sequences is that in spider-man, there was something AT STAKE! i assumed uma walked into the restaurant to confront orenn (actually, i KNEW this from the pr campaign... these things can really get in the way! worst offense is T2 - if not for the fact that everyone KNEW arnold was a good guy this time around, the first half hour would have been really suspenseful, trying to figure out who was doing what why)... not to covertly find out what she ordered. so what was the point in hiding first?! in spider-man, peter parker absolutely didn't want to announce to family and friends that he is the villified spider-man. and non-diagetically, the audience is even MORE tense because we know that dafoe is green goblin. --------------------------------- simply, my point is that there's gotta be a point. if there's not, ya gotta kill your babies. kung fu on a banister? well make sure you don't have a perfectly good floor. i guess you can have a motorcycle without it leading to a chase but wouldn't it be better to just show her at the location? cut out the walk into supermarket, just show here there. and again, quentin's normally a master at this. my gripe with kb is that it's not as tight as i expect from qt. not as tight. not as raw. not as vicious. not a total waste by any means. great beginning, strong end. still looking forward to kb part 2. well, we've digressed quite abit into general theory... but it's been fun. jin

  • Oct. 15, 2003, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Bashing movies

    by Malan

    I see now what the point of your comparison with spiderman was. I think the reason she did not reveal herself is that she found herself to be not quite ready (same reason she took a hostage [at first]). There are three ways to watch and read fiction. 1. As a story boiled down to the essential and arranged for dramatic prusposes ('stylized' if you like). 2.As something filmed or written to be more realistic (I mean the way things happen...not what happens). 3. Something in between. None of these ways are actually bad. It's just a matter of what you like and don't like. It's also good to remember that art is never perfect (which in a way, according to me, makes it closer to perfection). And I don't concider Kill Bill to be a masterpiece in any way, but I thoroughly enjoyed it and can't wait for v2. Do we look for the same thing in a movie you and I? There are probably similarities and differences in what we look for, but lets leave it at that. The only reason I replied to your post in the first place is because I hate when people bash a movie just because it did not offer what they were looking for. We all look for different things. I should probably mention that I'm the farthest thing from perfection and do sometimes bash movies on things that can be concidered matters of taste too. But in general, I try not to. I'm curious though, if you didn't like the movie so much, why do you post so often in this Kill Bill talk back?

  • Oct. 16, 2003, 2:58 p.m. CST

    dang, site is slooooooow....

    by jinchoung

    howdy again, first time i've been able to check this thread again in a while... must be a popular site :) anyhoo, sometimes, the best movies to talk about are the flawed ones! and i am a tarantino fan and it's interesting to hash out my opinion against a seeming deluge of positive opinion. (i'm getting used to it though, i also feel that the LOTR movies are highly overrated. arguably the best sword and sorcery committed to film but that's really not saying much. yes, i am a fan of the books. no, i'm not being ultra-geek harsh on the films. i also recognize how difficult it was to get them made and what an ordeal PJ must have powered through to get them made... but that itself does not make them good movies) also, i actually try not to judge a movie based on personal opinion - that is, I DON'T LIKE IT, is different from saying I THINK THE MOVIE IS FLAWED. a movie can be great but just not be my cup of tea. that is not a flaw in the movie. but a movie has to live up to what IT INTENDS TO BE. i guess the sticking point is the 'realism' that you speak of. tarantino has a way of incorporating the mundane into genre conventions. that's really cool - however, when it's done well, they are not incidental and qt does it to intentionally play up that dichotomy motif he has going. BUT, such 'realism' still exists within the context of a pure fiction film. that is - tarantino is NOT going for neo-realism or psuedo documentary. when done well in his films, every instance of mundane reality is highly contrived and is a component of the expression. it is not incidental. so the vivica fox school mom thing works to complicate the revenge plot as well as contribute to tarantino's fetish of comparing real life to genre. when travolta takes dumps in pulp fiction (twice... the man is regular), it is seemingly merely a tip of the hat to ol' reality but also ends up being major plot points. those are excellently done bits of realism. but if travolta took a dump twice in the movie and there was nothing more to it than the fact that his bowels were empty in the fictional world, that would be poorly done. and i would say kill bill featured a lot of such poorly done bits that could have and should have been skipped. you don't film the whole distance of a mom's walk from her car into the supermarket unless there's a point. if there's no point, she parks the car - cut - she's in the supermarket. jin

  • Oct. 16, 2003, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Opinions opinions opinions

    by Malan

    Jin, you forget one thing the flaws you mention are only flaws from a certain point of view. Therefore, what you say is an opinion. It seems to me that you want your movies to be perfect circles or fit into a tight little sphere or something like this (which is fine by me, I don't question your tastes). Sending someone to the crapper for no other purpose than sending him to the crapper is not a flaw. Of course, personally I wouldn't focus on it because it would only be scathological. My point is in my mind a movie is not flawed simply because the details don't all have something to do with some larger eventlater on. Stories go the way they go if you want to hammer yours in perfect circles fine, it might even be good if it's done well. Heck, it might even be good because of it. But it is not NEEDED for it to be good. It's been fun arguing with you.

  • Oct. 16, 2003, 9:05 p.m. CST

    gg

    by jinchoung

    yah, it's been a fun discussion! jin

  • Oct. 17, 2003, 4:19 p.m. CST

    for Maher, since Mori's review is off the front page: "New Repub

    by minderbinder

    "Following protests by the Anti-Defamation League and other groups, a senior editor of New Republic magazine has apologized for remarks he made in a column about the Miramax movie Kill Bill in which he said that it was made by "Jewish executives" who "worship money above all else." His comments apparently referred to Disney Chairman Michael Eisner and Miramax Co-chairman Harvey Weinstein, who are both Jewish. The remarks were even condemned by L.A. Weekly columnist Nikki Finke, who is suing Disney and remains one of Eisner's chief critics. "I'm ashamed for the New Republic," she told today's (Friday) New York Daily News.In a statement posted on the New Republic's website Thursday night, writer Gregg Easterbrook acknowledged that his remarks may have invoked "a thousand years of stereotypes." He concluded: "What I wrote here was simply wrong, and for being wrong, I apologize." ***And Bill Maher, as for your "he's Jewish, you numbnuts" comment: "Every reporter who has called me today has asked me my faith. Since I say this is relevant for others, it's relevant for me. I'm a Christian." So Bill, may I call you numbnuts?

  • Oct. 18, 2003, 12:12 a.m. CST

    little differences

    by bbachofner

    anyone catch the Fox Force Five to Deadly Viper Squad references? I'd be curious to know what other little "hints" he threw in there

  • Oct. 18, 2003, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill kicks...righteous....booTAY.

    by truthseekr1488

    Just saw it for the 2nd time tonight (1st viewing was Tues.) and while I still don't think it's a masterpiece, I do believe this flick kicks ass and takes names from the first shot to the closing credits. I've always been more of a Lynch fan than a Tarantino fan but even so this film was at least as much fun the 2nd time as the first. KB isn't one of those films that you spend a lot of time contemplating after leaving the theater (as a typcial Lynch film like 'Mulholland Drive,' let's say) nor does Tarantino's clever banter approach to the intricate, baroque dialogue of a Mamet con-game flick. After the first viewing I couldn't decide if KB was a work of genius or a cheezy-ass pastiche that insulted the audience (talk about mixed feelings!), but after the 2nd viewing I feel that KB is just wild rollercoaster fun ... and shouldn't be taken all too seriously. Like Natural Born Killers, it's a guilty-pleasure splatterfest best enjoyed after drinking a few Red Bull speed-sodas to amp up the old neurons. On 2nd viewing found myself drawn to the more subtle moments (yes, there are a few): the hilarious Sushi Bar scene between Hanzo and his lazy assistant was truly welcome comic relief after the intensity of the earlier part of the film ("I'm not bald, I shaved my head!") -- the only really relaxing scene in the film and also the cleverest. The long House of Blue Leaves splatterfest turned me off the first time and didn't get any better the second time around: I think Go-Go dies way to early (and easily), while the endless chopping of limbs and heads just devolves into ridiculousness and tedium. I find the intricately staged choreography of the fight to be brilliant, along with the accompanying soundtrack cues -- but the amputations and blood geysers distracted from that elegance and took me out of the film as I found myself wondering how long a person can stay conscious after losing a limb and how much muscle strength it takes to hack off so many of them. I would have preferred to just be able to enjoy the dance-like movement of the fight itself. I'm avidly looking forward to Vol. 2 and am a bit peeved that the film had to be split as it was.

  • Oct. 18, 2003, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Other observations on 2nd viewing (spoilers)

    by truthseekr1488

    The fun thing about 2nd viewings is knowing the overall structure of the movie and seeing how the little parts fit together, how you feel changes in emotional tone and subtext. E.g., knowing that the comical Sushi Master and his "oaflike" assistant are actually a master swordsmith and a really-not-so-oaflike assistant (so it was all an act, hmmm?) or watching the slo-mo approach of Ishii, Go-Go and Sofie as they walk to their private dining chamber and realizing that this is going to be their final meal -- a sort of demonic "Last Supper" if you will. The strangely compelling "Charlie's Angels from Hell" vibe of the whole Bill-Divas relationship. The symmetry of the very first and very last shots in the movie: Both shots

  • Oct. 18, 2003, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Observations on 2nd Viewing (con't) (spoiler)

    by truthseekr1488

    [oops, hit the post key too quick] .... Anyone else appreciate the symmetry between the first and final shots of the movie? -- Both shots consist of a close-up of a wounded woman's face, caressed by Bill's 'loving' hands, with a voiceover by Bill, and in each case a tantalizing reference is made regarding the Baby?

  • Oct. 18, 2003, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Fuckers

    by pstiddy42

    Comparing the Matrix to Kill BIll is like comparing Kill Bill to the fucking Ninja turtles movies. The matrix movies arent even in the same realm as Kill Bill.

  • Oct. 18, 2003, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Kewl interview with QT! Possible KB franchise?!

    by HanFiredFirst

    Somebody posted the link already -- www.japattack.com -- but if u haven't checked it out do so...there's some cool stuff in there (warning: KB2 spoilers there).........here's something QT said that caught my eye: "I can tell you the whole story of how Hattori Hanzo ended up in Okinawa and why he didn't make a sword for 30 years, and who the bald guy is. I can tell you that. I don't have to tell you this during the watching of the movie, but you need to know how large this world is. .... You can make up your own things. I know what's going to happen with Nikki (Vivica A. Fox's daughter). She will grow up and she will seek her revenge. I could go backwards. Once we get all done with this, we're talking about the concept of doing a couple of prequels with maybe Production IG just doing full-on animation. You know, the origin of Bill for instance. But I could do it with any of the characters. As far as actually continuing the story

  • Oct. 18, 2003, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Good, but to mention it in the same breath as Star Wars, Raiders

    by DavidCamp

    Its a very good movie, but nothing more. To call it a classic is a laughably OTT reaction from a man who didnt even get thanked by Tarantino on the credits. I saw he thanked Rodriguez though ;)

  • Oct. 18, 2003, 5:36 p.m. CST

    hey

    by timmer33

    hey

  • Oct. 19, 2003, 2:56 a.m. CST

    In the year 2000 Bj

    by youridol

    David Carradine meet David Morse. Seriously though, Selma in Dancer in the Dark is a much more sympathic Bill-killer than the Bride. The Bride was a criminal trying to go straight and her fellow criminals didn't let her go peacefully. Selma sacrificed everything for her child only to have Bill rob it all. Hmmm...

  • Oct. 19, 2003, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I shot a three pointer in her ass

    by thebigdog

    Dont forget that I fucked all your stupid bithces moms kobe style....I shot a three pointer in her ass

  • Oct. 19, 2003, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Tut Tut Tut Harry- Eyes bigger than your brain!

    by sibode

    I have literally just come back from the cinema having, for the first time, checked out this website and having read big Harry's tantalising review. Let me first get a few things straight, this is a good film and i shall be adding it to my DVD collection. I think Tarantino has balls and does what he likes, how he likes it. HOWEVER, as he himself admits he wants to make his own kung-foo/samuri masterpeice and that is what has led me to write this, as both he and Harry seem to have missed the point. Tarantino has concentrated so much on making this a visual audio, stylistic sense battering, kick-ass movie that he has FORGOTTEN TO CONCENTRATE ON A DECENT FIGHTSCENE IN WHICH YOU CAN FEAL and see EVERY BLOW. Now before you say it, i am not an idiot, i do know what he was trying to achieve, and i did enjoy the fight with all those kato type blokes who had too many spicy wontons. However when the bride finally got to fight ho chi whatsherface tHE FIGHT SCENE WAS LACKLUSTURE (Amercan translation = it sucked). Bear with be i will tell you what i mean, when those two birds fought in the DOjo at the end of crouching tiger, you saw (and heard) every blow, every wince, whatsmoe you saw it with fluidity and constant motion. TARANTINO USES THE OLDEST TRICK in the book and breaks up the fighting after about every 3 blows because he seems to have failed to take the time to train Uma and co poperly in the same vain as the actors in films such as the Matrix and in particular crouching tiger. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE ONE OF THE BEST SAMURI/KUNGFOO/REVENGE SLAUGHTERFESTetc MOVIE OF ALL TIME, THEN QUENTINE YOU HAVE TO MAKE SOME OF THE BEST FIGHTING SCEANS OF ALL TIME, and quite frankly Mr Tarantino i've seen a better fight scene in The Mummy two, between Weise and idliketohumpotept. I CANT BELIVE BIG HARRY FAILED TO SPOT THIS POINT!! TUT TUT HARRY, TUT TUT

  • Oct. 19, 2003, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Sibode

    by Malan

    I am tired of people speaking like they are authorities on the subject they discuss. News flash : You are not an authority on what makes a fight scene good or bad. You didn't like the fight scenes in Kill Bill, fine you did not LIKE them. That doesn't mean they are bad it just means they did not unravel the way you wanted them to. It's an opinion/matter of taste. Don't try to educate people about what to do or not do when it's all based on your opinions/tastes.

  • Oct. 19, 2003, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Vile

    by reelgriff

    Vile, reprehensible pornography, kids. Well done, but still porn. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. A waste of film, time, Karo Syrup and red dye #3.

  • Oct. 20, 2003, 5:42 a.m. CST

    MALAN

    by sibode

    Malan, i wasnt trying to educate people i was expressing my opinion as you so ardently advocate, if i was trying to educate you i'd say something like what's the square root of 12,367. Now, if someone reads what i say and they see it as me educating them then they are probably a bit stupid (i.e. you) and are educated by anything, anyone says. Furthermore, by using your own logic on only using this space to express opinions on films and not to 'educate people', are you in fact not trying to educate people on the value of not educating people?

  • Oct. 20, 2003, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Sibode

    by Malan

    Haha, you make me laugh. What you say is enough to make me laugh, but on top of that you reverted to insulting me. Do you know how not insulting it is to be insulted by someone who doesn't know you at all? What you said in your earlier post ARE opinions, but you do not voice them as such. Read your post again you say: this makes good fight scenes, this makes bad fight scenes etc... By the way when I said 'educate' I meant about movies (what makes good scenes and what makes bad scenes etc...), not math or anything else. Do I feel educated by what you said? Hell no or I would not have responded to it the way I did. I will not go into my motivations for even bothering to reply to such posts as it would take a humongus post. Am I trying to educate people and therefore going against my own logic that dictates to me that talk backs exist only to voice opinions? Here's a glimpse into what how I think : I don't care if the subject moves away from the movie or anything, but do not come here and bash the movie on grounds that are not objective. And since moviemaking is an art you'll have a hard time finding any. If you did not like the movie, by all means say it and give your reasons. But don't make those pass for anything but opinions unless they are truly objective reasons.

  • Oct. 20, 2003, 5:27 p.m. CST

    It wasn't that great.

    by lostNseenile

    It was a good film. It was a solid film. It was evidently good enough for a certian red-haired uber-fat fanboy to spray jizz all over the damn theater. But for me, it wasn't the greatest film ever. I liked Four Rooms better. Opinions are like assholes, we all got one and it stinks. sorta liek this movie.....

  • Oct. 20, 2003, 6 p.m. CST

    I saw it-What a let-down...

    by Cabron

    I really expected more.

  • Oct. 21, 2003, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Drops 44% 2nd week to 12 million...jhahahah

    by Bong

    Damn remember all that hype behind this movie. Bye tarantino

  • Oct. 21, 2003, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Well-Crafted, Big-Budget FanFilm

    by McPole

    I consider myself a casual fan of cult culture. I mean I saw the Offspring in their "no-ticket needed, just a flyer and 5 bucks days", and have a black-and-white covered demo tape to show for it; signed Naked Raygun t-shirts and the like, but I am also a huge fan of Terrentino films. I had no idea, however, the influential scope Kill Bill. This one kicks so much ass that it's ass gets kicked by itself ad infinitum. I was never a hardcore cult film fan...until I read the several reviews (read: time magazine anytime in the last few weeks), and reviews of interviews, and critiques of the reviews and so forth. Oh yeah, this masterpiece is the big-time cult classic that it touts itself to be and more. If for no other reason than to provide curators of cult, if not fools to film, a portal to cinema as it should be: pure and unadulterated, with a slice of lime. I am now a fledgling researcher in the school of classic film.

  • Oct. 21, 2003, 2:52 p.m. CST

    And now that Easterbrook guy got himself fired over his KB revie

    by minderbinder

    Sheesh, what was he thinking??

  • Oct. 22, 2003, 3 a.m. CST

    Cop out for a fight scene

    by dynamichair

    I saw Kill Bill lastnight, I thought it was great and the only thing I didnt like was that big fight scene at the end! I think Sibode is 100% right. Now, I am a martial artist and a martial arts movie, from Bruce Lee to the Matrix. But I agree that the camera doesnt stay on the action long enough to appriciate the choreography! There is not enough impact, in the matrix and Bruce Lee movies, the camera stays on the action so you can really see what is happening. It is not the case here, it really isnt a showcase of great martial arts. I do think the music drives it nicely and is entertaining, okay. BUT it really does not come close to the matrix or crouching tiget hidden dragon, which both had the same choreographer as Kill Bill!! So the techniques and ideas were there but I dont think their essence were captured in that particular moment. And to be honnest, it takes alot more skill to capture that moment rather than cutting it to pieces.

  • Oct. 22, 2003, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Subsequent tea and crumpet mean absolutely squat

    by McPole

    You forgot the cardinal rule of the free press: british opinions are nill and love. Just ask anyone who lives in Hong Kong.

  • Oct. 22, 2003, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Well said dynamichair, are you listening Malan?

    by sibode

    Thankyou for your support dynamichair, i think you have basically summed up what i was trying to say. The film was good, and i liked the stylisation of Tarantino but all it was lacking was as you say, a focus more on the choreography of the fight scenes. I do appriciate the point that the first fight scene with the black chick, was meant to be fast and ferocious, and i thought it worked, but you can't tell me that it worked for the final fight scene which built you up to a climax and then didnt deliver. p.s. May i just point out, BEFORE MALAN GETS HIS KNICKERS IN A TWIST!, this is just an opinion and i am not trying to educate people.

  • Oct. 22, 2003, 12:47 p.m. CST

    The so called cop out ending fight...hmmm...

    by ANGELS-EGG

    So the fight was dissapointing for some of you...well thats fine. However I found the fight at the blue leaves to be pretty damn accurate in recreating the style of old school samurai/kung-fu flicks of yesteryear. Watch 'enter the dragon'...Or Zatoichi or Lone wolf & cub you would understand....or would you consider these films to have lesser a fight than the holy matrix movies? the scene is supposed to be fast & messy. The whole style of shots used in the matrix movies looks staged and too clean for my liking and as a result was emotionless. To say that your a martial artist does not make you a master film maker. The blue leaves scene is recreating the style of japanese action cinema NOT fancy flowing HK cinema...theres a difference in the style of film. In japanese action cinema the camera & editing depicts the speed of the action...its experimental filmmaking. You should understand theres more to a fight scene than just punching each other...QT delivered something in the fights that so few recent efforts (including HK& JP) have failed to bring.....Pain & emotion. To say you were dissapointed by the action in KB is your opinion...but at least understand that Kill Bill covers many genres of cinema (italian,japanese,american b-movie etc) not just HK cinema ethics. This is why the action is shot that way. Im actually surprised one of you havent mentioned how 'fake' the plane & the city of japan look (a nod to godzilla movies) because many of you have missed the core theme of Kill Bill.

  • Oct. 22, 2003, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Angels- Egg

    by sibode

    I understand that Tarantino was trying to instill pain and emotion, but i really dont think he achived that to any significant degree as i fealt he so easily could have. You can't really claim that he was trying to make the final fight scene more realistic either (Uma had her back slit open, but managed to grit her teeth). There is a film called Rob Roy which is pretty average but there is an amazing fight scene at the end between Tim Roth and Liam Niesen in which you really got the sense of pain and emotion (if anyone has seen it they will know what i mean) yet there was no matrix trickery or Crouching Tiger wire work. My point is that im not saying Tarantino could or should have made the fight scenes more Matrixesque, just that the way some of the scenes where shot could have been done more simpler, with old fashion coreography, and to much greater effect. Angels made the point that Tarantino was trying to hark back to the old films mentioning some Bruce Lee films, but i think this is where the films biggest let down lies.

  • Oct. 22, 2003, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Oh no! My knickers got twisted again!...or did they really?

    by Malan

    I was going to write a larger post, but Angels-Egg pointed out most of what I was going to. Let me point this out before I go on : I like long takes in well coreographed fights too, I love them. But it's not the only way I like my fights. Obviously not everyone's going to like any fights to the same degree. Kill Bill's fights were more than good enough if you ask me. Could they have been better? Sure, there's always place for improvement. But, in this I side with Angels-Eggs. Not because I'm against you Sibode, maybe some day we'll agree on something and defend it together, who knows. I know this is off subject, but did anyone else think slomotion (and before I get killed for not calling it bullet time I'll add that I'm mostly talking about when the camera doesn't move) was used way too often for no purpose than 'coolness' in Reloaded?

  • Oct. 23, 2003, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Loved It! Count the wilhelms. . .

    by superdavid

    I LOVED this movie!!! Im not a big fan of gore and blood but this movie has so much more that I can deal with it. Saw it today for the 3rd time and STILL loved it! Its jawdropping! I could watch it all day long! As for the Wilhelm scream sound effects, I counted 2, maybe 3 in the house of blue leaves fight scene. If you dont know what a Wilhelm is, google it!

  • Oct. 23, 2003, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Slowing down the action in your mind grasshopper!

    by superdavid

    People are saying they think the camera didnt linger long enough on some of the action sequences, they think it went by too fast. I found that on 2nd and 3rd viewing, since I had seen it already, my mind knew where to focus and was able to get much more out of each sequence, as if I was watching it in slow motion. The 88 fight scene was the climax, the final fight between O-ren and Uma was not. It was and it was not. Why show more of the same of what just went past? Most real knife or sword fights from what Ive been told dont last that long, not more than a few slashes cause theyre not choreographed, its real. And thats what I got out of the final fight in the snow. And it was good.

  • Oct. 23, 2003, 4:48 a.m. CST

    "I expected more" -- what? exploding buildings? a digitized car

    by truthseekr1488

  • Oct. 23, 2003, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Fuck-Your-Best-Holiday-Great-Importance

    by McPole

    Archaic references notwitstanding, and all bullshit aside, this movie is torah-like on it's relevancy (read: pi), one (that's fancy for you) can't really decipher whether it's the greatest film [script] you have read or not...;nevermind the jackasses that dismissed this one to some obsurity that it neither deserves, nor respects (read: thesauraus). However, in all baseness and social congruency, this raindrop tries to be a surprise to all who recognize the poseur that it wishes to be. And fails.

  • Oct. 23, 2003, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Sibode ^^

    by ANGELS-EGG

    Quote:-Angels made the point that Tarantino was trying to hark back to the old films mentioning some Bruce Lee films, but i think this is where the films biggest let down lies. Uh A let down for you sure... however & I have no problem with that(I love all styles in action movies)....so your basically saying you dont like bruce lee films (or at least the choreography)? Well its pretty clear its one of the themes of that sequence in KB...I ts a nod to those films.QT considers them cool (It is really a film he made for himself & anyone else who digs the movies he does) So granted you dont like it but to pronounce its crap to the matrixs fights is perhaps a little narrow minded? Theres nothing wrong with the sequence in KB for me....I saw what tarantino was doing.

  • Oct. 25, 2003, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Thats funny...

    by Shaolin_Samurai

    I'm surprised Kill Bill has done so well at the Box Office. I thought Americans hated having to read subtitles. I'm Asian and know a little bit of Japanese, and was pleasantly suprised to see that much of the dialogue in this movie was in Japanese. I was wondering what the rest of you think about the Japanese dialogue. And btw, Lucy Liu's Japanese pronunciation IS HORRIBLE. She's still hot though.

  • Oct. 25, 2003, 4:40 a.m. CST

    shelob!!! that's the name!!!

    by jinchoung

    thanks, i totally forgot what the spider's name was and i refused to look it up for some reason... shelob! that's it! jin

  • Oct. 25, 2003, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Enjoyed Kill Bill Part 1

    by Martin1000

    In the UK, where I live, there's a BBC radio channel called "Radio Five Live". It has a mentally energetic film critic called Mark Kermode (spelling?). His favourite film is The Exorcist (which he mentions whenever he is on air). He likes horror films, and was very impressed by the first two Lord of the Rings films. When the subject of Kill Bill came up recently, Mark Kermode (spelling?) said vehemently, "It's not very good." The main presenter started to mumble something, at which Mark Kermode (spelling?) immediately interrupted and said again, vehemently, "It's not very good." This surprised me a little, as I'd seen Kill Bill a few days previously and had thought it was very good, although when I asked myself why, I couldn't quite explain. Well, there are some obvious good points about Kill Bill. I've seen the other main Quentin Tarantino films (Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown), and I've always thought Tarantino is a master of the visual look of a film. When you watch one of his films, it feels as though every frame has been composed by a master photographer. Tarantino is excellent at lighting his images, and he's good at colours as well. Kill Bill continues this tradition - it looks brilliant; for much of the film the cinematography is well up at genius level, with brief descents to merely excellent level. For example, the yellow motorbike suit of the main character (who's a woman) looks excellent. Not sure why, it just does. Another example: the detectives who investigate the murders in the church, when they're filmed outside, look excellent, and they're not really doing anything. But they're in a Quentin Tarantino scene, so they look excellent. Not sure why (but the older detective is clearly played by a good actor who seems to have interacted well with Tarantino and has got up to genius level). There were two moments in Kill Bill when I really felt impressed, so these are two other obvious reasons for Kill Bill being good. The first moment was the scene where the main character meets a middle-aged swordmaker. He has not made a sword for a long time, because he now disapproves of weaponry. However, he has kept some of his old swords for aesthetic reasons. When he learns that the main character is going to "Kill Bill", he decides to abandon pacifism and arm her with a new sword which he declares he will spend a month making. The best part of this scene is the point where the swordmaker asks the identity of the main character's target; he can't bring himself to say "Bill", so he just writes "Bill" with his finger on some steamy glass. One attraction of this scene is that the swordmaker is a good person, a rare commodity in the world of "Kill Bill", which is mainly about murderers of various degrees of evil (the main character being one of them - although we don't really find out exactly where she is on the scale of evil, because we don't know what she was like before she obtained reasons to revenge herself on Bill and his colleagues.) The other scene that immediately impressed me was the point when the Japanese criminal gang are arriving at a deluxe restaurant/bar. An excellent piece of music starts to play as the gang stride along, looking smilingly proud and evil, with the camera showing us each of their faces in turn. The music seems to say: a monumental fight is going to start soon, although these people don't know it yet. I was talking about Kill Bill, and I remember saying, "Maybe it's a bit empty; it's only about violence". But I don't really agree with this - take away all the violence, all the fighting, and there's still something left, something of value. I think the main theme of Kill Bill Part One, and the main thing that makes it satisfying, is the destruction of the Japanese gang in the restaurant/bar. The members of the gang have become immensely proud, depraved people, frightening even to the restaurant owner who kowtows to them, whom they mock and joke about killing. They have become very confident about their ability to survive. They think they can enjoy themselves being as evil as they like, and no one can touch them because of their technical ability at fighting. When the main character arrives at the restaurant, however, she proceeds to slaughter the gang one by one, using her new sword with immense skill. The gang members try to use their own weapons on the main character, but they are outfought. About a hundred reinforcements are called in, raising the morale of the surviving members of the gang considerably, but the main character slaughters all of these as well, except the last one, a trembling boy whom she has mercy on and sends away, after she has methodically chopped his sword into fragments, leaving him with the handle but no blade. The main character then kills the most senior member of the gang, but allows one junior gang member to survive, albeit minus an arm, so she can go and tell Bill what has happened. The gang have been blasted off the face of the earth by a woman with almost supernatural swordfighting ability. Their pride and criminal careers have ended in a scene of utter devastation, a large area of floor covered in their blood, the moans of the wounded and dying filling the air, the restaurant owner's wife confused and distraught, hardly able to comprehend what has happened, walking among the corpses with her hands to her mouth, uttering little squawks of dismay. Although the main character is no angel herself, she has benefited the people of Tokyo (I think it's Tokyo) greatly by annihalating a vicious band of murderous criminals. So that's maybe the main reason why Kill Bill Part One is a good and satisfying film, but again I'm not sure. The question "Why is Kill Bill good?" is a difficult one to answer fully. All Quentin Tarantino films have disturbing moments. One such moment is at the start of Kill Bill, where the main character (a young woman) is shown with her face badly beaten, having a conversation with Bill. Her face still looks quite attractive, even though it's dirty, bruised, cut and bleeding. You get a nasty sense of how Bill (or his colleagues, or both) enjoyed beating her. You also get a nasty sense of the main character being a bit masochistic, of a part of her having slightly enjoyed the beating, even though her main emotion is fear. It's a nasty Quentin Tarantino moment. I think the title "Kill Bill" is brilliant, one of the best ever film titles. It immediately forces you to imagine a film very similar to the film Tarantino actually made. It immediately makes you ask "Who's Bill?" and "Why should Bill be killed?", and, more subtly, "Why "Bill" - why not Bill's surname? Why not "Kill Smith" for example?" The title "Kill Bill" implies a film that cannot possibly be boring, which is certainly true of what Tarantino has made. Kill Bill is also a satisfyingly stupid piece of rhyming poetry. The opening credits are good, and funny, because, for some reason, numbers are written in front of the names of some of the characters. I have never seen this before, and it made me laugh. I had the sense that Tarantino had seen a similar thing in some stupid Hong Kong fighting video, and had decided to put it into his own (comparatively very important) film. The fact that Tarantino was altering something that all other western directors would not even imagine altering, was funny.

  • Oct. 26, 2003, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Putting it into words when there are not many

    by superdavid

    Martin1000, interesting about the radio show but maybe the reviewer is a sod?! Yea how do you put into words what is so visually stunning?! The thing about the jumpsuit is not just the color and yes the funny absurdity of it, but its also the contrast of that, creating a modern samurai warrior in Uma who fights against Samurais in suits, and finally against one in a traditional kimono and hair put up with chopsticks. Not that samurais all used to fight in Kimonos but you get the idea. (Though if Uma were wearing black in those scenes it would be harder to see her during the action.) But when you have a movie thats thin on intellect and thick on visuals and action, then its all in the crafting of that which makes it great. One thing is that QT builds tension in the revenge scenes. For example Uma does not immediately attack Lucy and her goons right off. No, she watches and waits and prepares. And in the bathroom she sees an opening and you hear that crazy Ironsides music and she looks pissed as hell and then there's the scream. The angry high pitched call out to Oren in Japanese, we have unfinished business. I love that. There is the scene in the hospital where she wakes up and after biting the lip off the guy and the other one is coming back, the sequence builds and builds and so does the hypnotic music. Then the camera slowly pans down and then does some crazy hypnotic jump cutting stuff that makes you think youre stoned if youre not already AND THEN she slashes him! Its all in that. And so much more! You can also see how QT mixes sequences of calm with those of action, call it pacing, and its spot on, the right mix of each. And the calm parts are not just filler. The whole thing with Sonny, the reverence for the swords as art, and spiritual overtones of his work and the lighting of Sonny so its as if he is a holy master. All of that is just so goddamned COOL!!!

  • Oct. 26, 2003, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Y-y-you, you r-r-rule so m-much

    by McPole

    I-i thought no-b-body wood fi-g-igure it out. L-like an i-i-ronic pat-patrioni-izing puh-piece of puh-para-duh-dy.

  • Oct. 26, 2003, 10:29 a.m. CST

    I know nobody is reading anymore but I gotta say this...

    by buckna

    My name is Buck and I am from Huntsville, TX! Now anyone who has seen the movie knows what I'm talking about when I say that was the most bizzarre cinematic experience I've ever had! DiD I happen to meet Tarantino at some point and he didn't like me and I didn't realize it? What a wierd fucking coincidence! (Although the 'I'm Buck and I came here to fuck' line is lifted from another movie.) I wne to see this with about 9 friends and everyone of them turned to look at me during this scene... Oh well, guess I'll go buy a truck and paint Pussy Wagon on the tailgate.

  • Oct. 26, 2003, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Martin-1000....

    by ANGELS-EGG

    Kemode is a twat....Ive met the guy & I can clearly say hes the most norrow minded critic Ive encountered (& I have met a few) Hes based his whole career over the exorcist. N'uff said. Any kemode reviews I ignore. I aint got time for that gobshite.

  • Oct. 27, 2003, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Saw KB again at Mann Chinese in Hollywood and guess who was five

    by shogunpoker

    I was sitting near the back to the left if you're facing the screen. The pre show bullshit was playing, and they left the theatre lights on. I see a hot blonde a few rows down to my right. Then I see her date, and he's got a HUGE fuckin chin, and then a split second later I'm like, OH FUCK! IT's QT! I did'nt bother telling the girl i was with, since she'd never even seen Pulp Fiction or Jackie Brown, and has no clue who QT is. When the movie started, I was a little distracted, and found myself looking over at him to see his reactions. After about ten minutes, I was able to get back into the movie since he was not doing much of anything. No loud laughing or strange concession consumption. I did notice him leave when Sonny Chiba was showing Uma Thurman the swords for the first time. He tripped slightly on the aisle getting out. I thought about going out and asking for an autograph but I remember him saying once that to him a movie theatre is like his church, and not to bother him in his church, plus I did'nt have a pen. Anyways, the movie was still KICK ASS and I still can't believe I saw it in the same fuckin theatre as QT! This was one of the smaller theatres and it's been out for two weeks already. The audience was not whoopin and hollerin like they did the opening weekend I saw it. I guess since he spent all that time making the film he only has a certain number of shows he can watch with an audience. He walked out right before the Final Lucy Liu swordfight.

  • Oct. 28, 2003, 5:22 a.m. CST

    about the title: KILL BILL (KBILLY)

    by shogunpoker

    I posted it already but that post about the title made me want to bring it up again. When they first show the bride spanish music from ReservoirDogs comes on. It's the scene when Mr.Blonde is searching for KBILLY's super sounds of the seventies. I love how QT has fashioned a Tarantino universe where all of his films are connected with little quirky shit like that. Love the Red Apple Ciggarettes, and Kauhuna burgers.

  • Oct. 29, 2003, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Epilogue?

    by PDA

    I don't remember an epilogue. The last thing I remember is Bill, in the hospital, asking Sophie a very pertinent question (if the bride was aware of something) That did change the whole movie and it sets up Volume II perfectly. But I do not remember it coming after the credits, And I stayed until the lights came up and they started to pick up the popcorn boxes. How could I have missed it?

  • Oct. 30, 2003, 9:51 a.m. CST

    KB reminds me of...

    by EDV

    Francis Ford Coppola's "One From the Heart". both are directorial masterpieces that left me feeling "wow" and "ehhh" at the same time. both feature very strong female leads and great supporting casts. both feature great & beautful cinematography. Both are clearly works of great love by their makers. BUT... Both are so internally self referential that they feel sealed off from the viewer.

  • Oct. 31, 2003, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Kill Bill Japan

    by farrens

    Went to see Kill Bill opening night in Japan, not really knowing what the movie was about and was first bummed that I only could get part of the Japanese dialogue. But after going to www.killbill.jp and typing "japan" on the flash page, and watching opening remarks from Quintin Taratino (in English) is when I realized that what I saw was something really special. QT wanted to make an Asian flavored movie, in dedication to the late Kinji Fukasaku (director of Battle Royale, the first Japanese movie to received an R-15 rating due to the violence) that was a reflection of all the great revenge movies that Fukasaku-san would have been proud of. I think KF would have approved of Kill Bill, a reflection of many of the Japanese samurai movies where the spraying blood, clean cut decapitations and Speed Racer type dialogs also take place. I was able to get a copy of the Showdown at the House of Blue Leaves portion of the film and was shocked on how they made it BW for the US audience. The Japanese version was color throughout the whole battle and had more scenes (light example is the kid she spanked and sent to momma had his mask taken away from him earlier in the battle by the Bride, and with a look of compassion for the lad's youth, let him go). If you can believe, and I'm sure you do, the Japanese has even more urbane gore scenes that were cut for the US to keep it under NC-17. Despite the editing, I hope to see more of the US version so I can make a better comparison. The Japanese website have some very nice wallpapers if you would like to go. Click on the blood spot for a drop down menu, if you can't remember to type in the key words.

  • Oct. 31, 2003, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Why is everyone so on Quentins dick???

    by DustyBooze

    The movie sucked! Why? Because it was fucking boring. Can't believe everyone fucking freaks out over this pile of crap. The dialogue sucked, the fights were so bad I couldnt believe it! The film felt plastic and empty. This movie is like that annoying kid at school that tries to be sooo try hard fucking cool... and gets his butt kicked!!!!

  • Nov. 3, 2003, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Bill & o-ren ishii

    by ginx

    during the anime introduction to o-ren you see three men sistimatically butcher her parents. During this scene you see one of the asailents through o-ren's eyes, the one with the long hair who end up starting the fire that burns down the apartment. The camera fixates on the henchmens emblem on his sword and the rings on his fingers. Is it just me or is that the same emblem you see on Bill's sword and aren't those the rings on his fingers, these are also the only parts of Bill you see when he talks to old one eye. Anyone else notice this or just me. Did Bill help kill o-ren's parents?

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 12:08 a.m. CST

    great!

    by Danger Mouse

    I realy enjoyed this film. It made me feel like a teenager again (Yes I was martial arts mad!) sneaking in to my local cinima underage to see kung fu films...then we would go down the beach and kick the living shit out of each other! AH, those were the days.

  • Nov. 6, 2003, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Shaw Brothers "One Arm Swordsman"Redux

    by Yohjimbo

    Dear Harry I am a 41 year old Chinese guy living in Singapore and I went to watch the movie with my wife. She hated it and I loved it!!!! The reason was that I have been watching Shaw Brothers movies since I was a kid. My parents would bring me along to the most bloody gory SB movies since I was 5 years old. There weren't any ratings back then. When the SB trailer came on screen I felt this strange wave of deja vu come over me. Flashes of my first SB films came back to me including the most memorable scenes from "One Arm Swordsman" starring Wang Yu. To be honest I have never seen Sonny chiba films because we had the real McCoy: watching Shaw Brothers movies in a Shaw Brothers Cinema!!!!!! Coming back to Kill Bill......Quentin is one of us cos he sat there and watch every Goddamn SB film ever made!!!! This movie is all about giving back in a grandest tribute every thing that he got from those SB films. I see in every scene an oblique reference to the Shaw Brothers. From the spraying arterial blood to the master accepting Uma as his disciple (if you give her a sword she is your disciple, right? cos she gonna kill everyone with your sword, one with your name on it!) to the unspeakable things that have been done to yourself and family that will trigger the yearning for REVENGE. There is the honour code that all live and die by... no killing the mother in front of her child and if you do so , prepare for revenge when she grows up!!!! (see the above part about revenge in capital letters!)The link between two deadly enemies fighting to the death that is so serious and strangely meaningful that you CANNOT insult it with ridicule. All this and more in the movie that tarantino made!!!! Bruce Lee films were made later and therefore the pecking order shows. Bruce films are a modern interpretation of the SB swordsman genre. The same themes echo and Bruce brought this genre to the western World. Therefore Tarantino must also pay homage to his films. That yellow tracksuit was the rage in Singapore in the 70s and was made by a Japanese company called Yonex( they make the best badminton rackets in the world). I first saw Fist of Fury in a literally zinc roofed rural cinema in Sinagpore in the 70s. His flying triple kick is indelibly stamped on my mind!!!! Because of his triple kick in midair, we all had a nickname in Mandarin for Bruce...."Lee triple kick" literal translation. So to all you folks out there ....this is a great movie if you understand the origins of the whole genre. If you dont, like my wife(she never grew up with these films) you will hate the mindless violence and think that your husband is sick for loving the movie and you will NOT accompany him for Kill Bill Volume 2!!!! Yours humbly Yohjimbo

  • Nov. 8, 2003, 4:25 a.m. CST

    sucks if you understand Japanese

    by toransu30

    I wish I could have enjoyed Kill Bill but It was killed by all the Japanese spoken in it. It might seem cool if you don't understand a word of it, but if you do, you understand that the characters accents are not only bad, its close to jibberish and when they can be understood the dialog is horriable. Here in Japan, people were laughing in the theater, not because the movie was funny, but because it was so bad. The girl who played the high school body guard mentioned on TV here that she was worried because she was never really giving direction. NO SHIT, why should hollywood care about directing when they have hot chicks in leather with swords. Why cant people in Hollywood hire japanese to play japanese parts and spanish to play spanish parts.

  • Nov. 9, 2003, 12:20 p.m. CST

    snake choice

    by melia

    Darryl Hannah's character is the only member of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad who is named for a HARMLESS snake. Did QT just mix up California King Snakes with Coral Snakes, or is something else going on?

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Re: Epilogue?

    by Bazza

    I saw the film on the day it came out in London and the piece of information that was revealed, was done so after a bit of the credits. However, when I went to see it again two weeks later, the bit of information was now told before any of the credits had started to roll ??????

  • Nov. 11, 2003, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Ignore that post

    by Bazza

    I didn't realise you guys had been talking about that epilogue thingy for all this time.

  • Nov. 15, 2003, 6:06 p.m. CST

    more like Dusk Till Dawn

    by tav

    tsss, no masterpiece here. damn that movie sucked. I saw it opening weekend and refrained from slamming it, but fame has definitely made QT lose his touch. Although I am all in favor of the blossoming romance between Q & U. Oh, but she seriously sucked as a lead ass-kicker. Those fights were so fake-- any one of those fighters could have kicked her bony ass from here to Hawaii. She's no Ripley.

  • Nov. 25, 2003, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Uma

    by evesorange

    "Wiggle Your Big Toe"

  • Dec. 6, 2003, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Stop the WTC B.S.! Back to the SUBJECT.

    by xplororor

    The WTC bruhaha is ANOTHER SUBJECT! Does it, should it matter to movies? Movies are surreal. They are MORE INFLUENCED by real life. Back to the SUBJECT of this thread! 1. There was NO EPILOGUE at the end of Kill Bill. Likely the reviewer got mixed up. No biggie. (Unless he's talking about Bill's last conversation at the end. But that's not an Epilogue.) 2. Did I personally like this movie? YES. If I had a kid younger than 12 would I allow them to see it? NO! (That's right, they'd have to "sneak" to see it. They would end up seeing it, but by them having to "sneak" there would be an overlying feeling about why their parent did not/would not want them to see it.) 3. By the way, If I had a kid 14 or older, and they really wanted to see it, I'd go see it with them. Then afterwards MAKE DAMN SURE TO DISCUSS the movie with them. Ask them what they liked, disliked, why. Then ask them to ask me any questions they have. 4. The Anime sceen IS unique, unusual, and adds to the movie. All anime fans, art fans, comic fans, artists, art students, should re-watch it and learn from it. IMHO the most unique thing is how Q.T. got away with using Anime as part of a "realistic" movie. 5. OVERALL this is a NICE movie. It met my definition of a NICE movie: Was it worth the $$$ I paid for the ticket? Was it worth my spending 2hrs of my short life to see it? Kill Bill is worth seeing. It does have cheese in it (the retarded line by Uma "Ya.. Know.. For a second.. blah blah". "Pretty white caucasion girl wants to play with oriental culture and swords" Lucy says. She later appologizes to Uma. Actually - Lucy was 100% right. But that's a whole different subject and topic. This movie has more non-cheese than cheese. And the non-cheese MAKES up for the cheese. If you enjoy being entertained, if you enjoy movies, if you have a mature mind, then you must see this movie.

  • Dec. 8, 2003, 5:47 p.m. CST

    THE FINAL WORD

    by JimboLo

    SHIT!

  • Dec. 9, 2003, 6:31 a.m. CST

    FINAL FINAL WORD

    by shogunpoker

    This movie is the best I've seen all year.

  • Dec. 16, 2003, 9:47 p.m. CST

    KILL BILL, you suck fella

    by resite

    thats it. the fights are just a copy of everything i have seen. even uma thurman (i love her) is too big to play such a fighter role. she moves like that esqueletic character (jack if i am right) character in Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas. the music sometimes is pure discoordination. the fights are too long, how can Uma Thurman walk after beeing in coma without previous rehab? C'mon! And where is the history? Then, you smart boys, complain about Matrix Reloaded, but its just the same: POOR ACTION FILM WITHOUT HISTORY NEITHER CONCEPT BEHIND. JUST AN ESTHETIC JERK OFF.

  • Dec. 17, 2003, 2:57 a.m. CST

    The final, FINAL word. . .

    by Sith Lord Sauron

    . . .this film was a gift from God Himself. I have never seen a better movie ever in my life, no not Citizen Kane, not Empire Strikes Back, not even Gone With The Wind or The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. This film. . .has raised my standards on what a movie should be. From now on, I renounce grade-Z crap and will only seek out excellence in cinema. No more Star Trek/Wars; brainless explosionfests or tepid "romantic comedies" for me. Quentin Tarantino, you have opened my eyes.

  • Sept. 23, 2006, 3:21 a.m. CST

    stfu

    by aestheticity

    lol, cockmongler, this film was shit