Ain't It Cool News (www.aintitcool.com)
Coaxial

So - Lucas may be releasing the Special Editions on DVD - but will they be the ones you know' Don't bet on it.

Hey folks, Harry here... well... we kinda all knew something like this was coming... didn't we? Ok, here's the thing we begin to hear rumors that as part of the promotion for the "final" STAR WARS film, Lucasfilm may be releasing DVDs of the Original Trilogy Special Editions. Ok, so the big question is... what is he releasing? Will Lucasfilm release the Special Editions we saw? We know he won't release the original series as originally released in theaters, cuz he's sworn never to do so. Sigh... However, we have long heard rumors that he was shooting new material for the Original Trilogy Special Editions, and the question I'm wondering is this. Right before Lucasfilm publicly announced the Special Editions of the Original Trilogy, he issued the THX - Digital Quality Remastered Original Trilogy on Video and Laserdisc. But basically, that was to clear out the cellar so to speak, as he knew full well what he was up to. He was going to do the Special Editions, thus breathing full life into his empire. Upon issuing the Special Editions on Home Video and Laserdisc, he then began work on the Prequels... BUT - even with DVD enthusiasts screaming bloody murder for the DVDs he held off... Well, until time to promote Episode 3. BUT - will these DVDs hold this NEW IMPROVED HYPERKINETIC ORIGINAL TRILOGY that is described below? Or, is that set for a theatrical release AFTER Episode 3 is released, where he then releases the SuperStupendous Edition in theaters... holding it from DVD (if that's even the format then) then begins tinkering on the Prequels... so that 12 years from now, as he finally announces his intent to do the FINAL TRILOGY... hehehe... See... there's nothing so patheticly wonderfully stupid as a diehard Star Wars Conspiracy Lover... Take all of this with a grain of salt until it comes true...

Tarkin has been raised from the dead, and he's pissed off.

No doubt by now you've seen the great work of our sculpting and make-up guys:

CLICK HERE for THEFORCE.NET story

Well, now seems about as good a time as any to let you know about the coolness in store for the next release of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope. See the pictures of young Tarkin? That's why I love my job, latex beats the pants off CGI EVERY time. Biased professional jealousy? Maybe so, but I have to hand it to ILM for their current work on Hope.

One of the digital guys was showing off some stuff on his laptop at Fox last week and it was a really surreal experience because it was the fight between Vader and Alec Guinness but it was all new stuff, very similar to the fights in the new shows, all hyper and well choreographed. Think Yoda was pretty fly for an old Jedi? Wait til you see Guinness. I like to think we could achieve the same effect with an appliance mask but the second set was a set of close ups on digital Alec's face. It was amazing. He said it was some stuff Lucas was looking over for the re-re-release of Star Wars. After these current ones are finished. He also said that the Han meets Jabba scene had been totally redone and looked a lot better, which is cool, but the puppet in Jedi still looks awsome to my eyes.

I have to say I still prefer the Original films I saw in theatres as a kid to the enhanced versions but if the rest of the CGI is as good as this stuff I saw then I'll be pretty happy with it.

I heard that the trilogy might be released next year on the little plastic drink coasters we all love so much so we may get to see the completed scenes sooner than I was told. I hope so.

Call me "The guy who asked Tarkin if he wanted to evacuate"

Readers Talkback
comments powered by Disqus
    + Expand All
  • Sept. 19, 2003, 11:45 a.m. CST

    first

    by JediOliver

    I'm first!!!

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Han Solo.

    by The-Warrior

    I hate you George Lucas, you crazy money-grubbing lunatic bastard. HAN SOLO SHOT FUCKING FIRST. See you in Hell.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 11:47 a.m. CST

    I will become more powerful than you can imagine!

    by Wesley Snipes

    Cuz everyone needs more Yoda martial arts posing.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Apparently, Lucas will never stop

    by vikingkitty

    This digitally enhanced nightmare won't end until Lucas finds a way to alter every single frame of the original trilogy in some way.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Who knew?

    by NakedYossarian

    I remember when the THX-remastered tapes were released and the TV ads kept saying, "your last chance to own the original trilogy." I thought, "Bullshit, I'm sure they'll bring it out every few years like Disney." But now I'm glad I bought the tapes - it's worth hooking up the old VCR every once in a while to watch puppets, matte paintings and old-man swordfights.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 11:58 a.m. CST

    evil evil evil little man

    by DOGSOUP

    I always have this image of Lucas swinging from the ceiling flinging shit at his lackeys along with the orders to ruin everything he's ever done.Oh well I have the OT in it's original form and that crazy motherfucker isn't going to come to my house and pry it out of my hands.Everything else Star Wars can burn in hell.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Fleecing u suckers dry !!

    by BankyEdwards2309

    Yes you, you sad 'comic book guy' from the Simpsons clones. So, Lucas is thinking of re-re-re-releasing Star Wars: A New Clone war when the empire strikes the jedi.. or whatever it's called. Everytime this man 're-makes' and tinkers about with the 'original' format of one of these 'classic' movies.Surely the term 'classic' can no longer be associated with this films as they are shown cos ,like a classic car,If you suddenly do it up 'Fast and the Furious' style, surely all its' class and panache that attracted you to this movie will all be lost. Plus, the main factor is,everytime a new version is squeezed out on whatever format, You burger munching lard arses have to then waddle down to the local store and buy it in the countless formats it will come in (or order it online with your podgy fingers hehehe) (DVD Special edition,4 disc box set with free stormtrooper cut out mask,Laser disc with pop up skywalker or even Philips 2000 video cartridge or whatever)..so come on u geeks and smell the basement damp around you..the man is making fools of you and taking u for every penny your moms allowenece allows you.Wake up!! Right ..Now where's my LOTR 15-disc with it's inflatable weta statue of Liv Tyler gone too? hmmm

  • Lucas will never be done tinkering with "his Masterpiece." He won't be satisfied until he's completely digitized every frame of the OT to add all the layered busy confusning effects he wants. Why doesn't he just remake the OT as computer animated movies, a la Final Fantasy? That way he can leave us our version and play with himself off in a corner of some dingy low-lit warehouse in an unused section of the Ranch.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 12:03 p.m. CST

    They should release this like the E.T. DVD.

    by Psyclops

    Give us the option of watching both the original cut and the special editions.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Sigh

    by the G-man

    So, the bottom line is that the movie I loved as a kid is going to keep getting, in essence, remade until it's not the same fucking movie...and unless I want to watch my old VHS tape until it breaks I'm NEVER going to see that movie again. **** The more I think about it, the more wrong this is. This is as if the original was destroyed, the way that so many great films of the 1930s or before, back when no one knew the value of preserving films. However its even worse because THE CREATOR, not time, not chemistry, is destroying one of the most beloved movies of all time. **** Lucas can prattle about creators' rights all he wants. I know its his right. But that doesn't make what he's doing correct either.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Will Lucas please digitally change all that snappy dialouge from

    by Big Bad Clone

    Yes, George squeeze all the fucking life out these gems. Please excuse me now as I edit my video of my son's first birthday. I want change the color of his cake and add some digital taun tauns in the background.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 12:24 p.m. CST

    thank you, George

    by ATARI

    Thank you George for making me grow up. Back in 1997 when I saw the special editions, it dawned on me that these are *just movies*. And that was what I was basing my life on? How pathetic. Well, I sold off most of my Star Wars junk, moved out of parent's house, met a wonderful woman, fell in love (what a concept), got married, had a kid, and just built a 3000 sq.ft. home. So, thank you, George, for helping me grow up. I now no longer care what you do with your pet, and I will always have the originals on LD and fond memories of childhood.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Why Don't We Ask The Same From the Tolkein Family?

    by brakula

    Why hasn't anybody mentioned that J.$.$. Tolkein and his son went back and re-edited The Hobbit and certain sections of the LOTR trilogy? We deserve the original versions of these classic novels, not some wild revisitation. Their revisions ruined the spirit of the original text, just as Lucas has ruined the original movies. Right?

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Speechless

    by lazlow3

    lucas is so pre-occupied with with whether or not he could, he never stopped to think that he should. and he shouldnt, we all agree to that, but nothing will stop him. but who actually owns these movies? is it him just because he created them? or do we, the public own them? i say we own own them, like a (pardon the expression) piece of art that belongs to the world. i think once an artist is done with their work the work is done. they did the best with what they had and now it is time to move on to something else. when do we get to see the special edition of Howard? imagine how much greater that movie could be if they enhanced stuff in it.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 12:32 p.m. CST

    GL has lost it

    by Talktalktalk

    It's been creeping up on me too, like the rest of you, that Lucas has lost it and is just fleecing us because he can. He's got a huge chunk of my childhood in his (greedy) pocket and can pull the strings whenever he feels like it. Time to cut those strings so he can't wind me up anymore. Such a shame - there could have been six great movies not three (plus the 'Special' Editions)

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 12:36 p.m. CST

    After the prequels.

    by riskebiz

    Not only should "The Clone Wars" animated shorts be made into a full blown animated series ... Lucas should allow some of the Timothy Zahn novels to be filmed by the likes of Ridley Scott, Speilberg and anyone else who expressed great interest in filming within the Star Wars universe. I personally would love to see the adventures of an elder Luke Skywalker. They'll never get Harrison Ford, but they can just adapt the novels that don't include Han Solo.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 12:36 p.m. CST

    omg Lucas, leave your films the @#$% alone!!!!!

    by magyarman

    For the love of God, stop tinkering with your old movies!! Can you even imagine if other directors were doing this with their "classics"??? I HATE the Special Editions. I hate hate hate hate hate them. STOP ADDING STUFF TO YOUR OLD MOVIES AND JUST MAKE NEW MOVIES LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE!!!!!

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Never, never, never!!!

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Coming from an actual character from the movie, I just have to say that I will probably never buy the DVDs of the original trilogy if they're only released as the special editions. Seriously, the only good shot of the entire trilogy is of the X-wings getting ready to attack the Death Star at the end, when they all open up their wings. Seriously, that's the only cool updated shot. Everything else is not that great. Gredo shoots first, the Han and Jabba scene, the the dance number at Jabba's palace in Jedi (uuugh!!!), the party scenes on all the different planets, etc. I bought the original trilogy on Widescreen VHS last year and I think that will be the closest that I'll ever be able to get to a widescreen version of the OT. That's a shame. Because I'd gladly pay $60+ for a bare bones version of the OT on DVD in anamorphic widescreen. Lucas, you don't know what you're doing. Later.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Sounds like fanboy bullshit to me........

    by Denryanj

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Sounds like fanboy bullshit to me

    by Denryanj

    "One of the digital guys was showing off his stuff on his laptop at Fox..." Really? Were Gabriel Byrne and Christopher Walken there too?

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 1 p.m. CST

    Shit

    by The Thinker

    Lucas is the most obsessive-compulsive filmmaker in the history of Hollywood.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 1:08 p.m. CST

    brakula...

    by ErrantTwin

    Could you please clarify your statement? I agree with your assertion that Lucas' constant tinkering is degrading his films, but I don't understand your comparison to Tolkien's novels. What revisions did Tolkien and his son (I assume you mean Christopher) make that "ruined the spirit of the original text," as you put it? If you could elaborate on that, or point me in the direction of an article that would explain your point, I'd greatly appreciate it...

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 1:20 p.m. CST

    George Lucas is the U2 of the film industry.

    by Mosquito March

    U2 have been doing the same thing on their "Best Of..." albums - tinkering with classic songs that don't need it, ultimately removing what precisely was unique about the original material so that it all sounds like homogenized New U2, and creating an added selling point for fans who already own all the songs. U2 don't even trust their judgement on new songs, and end up remaking half their singles just after the albums have been released - the changes usually for the worst. George Lucas and U2 are either OCD freaks with too much time and money on their hands, or they're just insanely greedy.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 1:22 p.m. CST

    I have the THX OT on LD, so Lucas can go FH.

    by Spike Fett

    nyah.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Hmm

    by Darth Melkor

    I really want to see these updated version, but I also demand the originals too.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 1:38 p.m. CST

    There IS a place for the new versions...

    by Sherlock_Holmes_

    But there must ALWAYS be a place for the original ones, too. Lucas can tinker and play all he wants, and I'll be interested to see what the results look like, but I still want the originals available. I guess I'm glad I have the last two widescreen VHS releases of the OT.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 1:42 p.m. CST

    i think...

    by TenDeuChen

    I think lucas should be allowed to do whatever he wants, as long as he makes the originals available, because the originals were a landmark in cinema history and should be preserved for all to see.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Han shot first, dammit!

    by SpyGuy

    Until Lucas wakes the hell up and releases the original trilogy in a DVD format that gives us the option to watch the original theatrical release (which STILL EXISTS) or the Uber-Edition, I say that we stick to bootleg DVDs you can find at every comics or sci-fi convention. SOUTH PARK astutely observed that George Lucas and Stephen Spielberg need to have their films taken away from them. FREE THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY!

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Lucas is a hack.

    by boohallsmalls

    the man got lucky once. the only good film he ever wrote or directed was A New Hope. He didn't direct empire or jedi and only did story for them. He can't write dialogue, he can't direct actors, he has a terrible eye for casting, and he thinks effects are the most important thing in making a good movie. he should just give up, retire and apologize to the film going community for everything he has directed and written post 1977.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 1:58 p.m. CST

    They are HIS films, not yours

    by DinoZoot

    I am sick and tired of listening to people drone on and on about how Lucus is ruining the original series. They are HIS movies and he can do with them what he wants. If you dont like it, dont watch. I own the original series on VHS (THX version) and can pop it in my vcr (or record it to dvd) anytime I want. The original series will always be available in some form so shut the fuck up already. If he wants to re-shoot stuff to make it match his original intent, more power to him. No one is forcing you to buy the supercalifragilisticexpialidocious edition on DVD if you feel your childhood experience will be somehow violated by watching a sped up duel between Obi and Darth. Obviously the man has some sort of perfectionist obsession and will never stop tinkering with the thing so buy em all if you are a junkie, or buy 1 version and live with it, but please stop your bitching already.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 2:03 p.m. CST

    I'm speechless...

    by BigPoppi

    George Lucas went from being the young up and coming film maker with something to prove to the establishment and now he is the establishment trying to squeeze a few more bucks out of the moviegoing public. He has sold his soul to the almighty dollar and no longer does the original franchise of Star Wars films deserve to be called "classics". Weep for the past for it is lost.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 2:04 p.m. CST

    If you're going to do some editing

    by Larry Jay

    Redo the Phantom Menace, digitally editing out JAKE LLOYD and insert a young Hailey Joel Osmet. Once you've re-written the crappy kid dialog splice it in and EP-I will be watchable. I swear the only way I can watch the damn movie is with remote in hand just so I can fast forward past that poor kids lousy performance. Mannakin Skywalker indeed. Casting is about more than just finding a cute kid face. ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 2:07 p.m. CST

    PLUS

    by Larry Jay

    I still have my original edition ep4 through EP6 on VHS. So NAH-Nah!! ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Now that I think about it

    by Larry Jay

    I think I'll burn my Original Series from VHS to DVD and sell them on the black market. From the sound of this talkback, I'll make MILLIONS. HA-HA-HA!!! All GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Clearin' throat...

    by Movie freak

    Okay, it's obvious this guy is gonna release edition after edition after edition until everything that once was Star Wars is down the drain and fans all over the world are sobbing in their basements with not even their mother's cookies givin' them a smile. I don't have the same infatuation many have with Star Wars because I never saw the originals in theatres (I wasn't born you idiots!) but I guess what I have with Lord Of The Rings now evokes that 'feeling'. Anyway, sure... Lucas can fuck up his movies all he wants but if he wants to make some real dough he should release the originals on DVD and see how all the geeks (and I would too) go out to buy these instead of his new versions. Lucas, if you or one of your Ranch associates reads this, better release the Originals real fast, or there's gonna be hell to pay you bearded fuckin' moneymaking, megolamaniac piece of degenerating shit. You didn't fuck up the Indys on DVD, you can do it for Star Wars too!

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Why don't you pay $200 to see a bootleg vhs to confirm it??

    by Liquid_Daze

    I'd like to see the list of people that have EVER been FORCED to buy a ticket to a "Star Wars" film, or purchase a vhs collection, or a dvd. HARRY & EVERYONE ELSE quit complaining about George Lucas not releasing the version of the film YOU want to see. YOU had no involvement in the creation of the film, so you have no say in the matter. Plus, the film was financed before you ever bought a ticket (or lunch pail, or action figure). How many filmmakers go into debt when directing their first feature, and they're only able to get 2/3 or 3/4 of it in the can? What if one of these ppl actually became succesful later on? What if they decided, "Hey, I really love that first picture I tried to do. I wanna go back to it." They get some of the same cast, they re-shoot, maybe re-cut it w/ an Avid instead of an old flatbed. Maybe they even add some digital effects. And they release it. The audience would not get "the original" cut of the film, but they would get the filmmakers' "final cut." You paid money to see the originals (much like Harry and hotel room adventure) and watched the originals. AICN, Lucasfilm, George Lucas and many other places inform you as to what kind of product you are (potentially) paying for. What do you have to complain about? ON TOPIC: Could it be that the report I saw scrolling across MTV a few years ago is true? Natalie Portman shot footage to be inserted into ROTJ? It had been denied by Rick McCalum. Is Lucasfilm lying or was AICN complete full of shit on that one?? I don't know at this point. If they are retouching everything, how 'bout re-doing the Rancor pit? (Luke fighting) Nothing inspires a Dennis Miller-Coffe & Cocaine-Rant more that a SW TalkBalk.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Lucas may be on to something here!

    by ar42

    Up until now, film studios haven't realized the true potential of their films. A great film gets released, 20 years down the line a "director's cut" hits theaters, and that's pretty much it. But wait! What about Disney and their ever-changing Fantasia bit? Why can't Hollywood do the same thing with EVERY movie? Opening next week -- Jaws 2003 with a new fight between digital Roy Schneider and the shark, choreographed by The Matrix's Woo Ping! Coming next summer -- Casablanca 2004, with Nazis digitally erased and replaced with black and white terrorists! Fans will debate the merits of Star Wars 2015 where Jabba has been replaced by a more politically correct "skinny" alien and Star Wars 2023 in which the Force has been changed to the mystical Kabbalah! (And don't even MENTION Star Wars 2010 where the short-lived ultraviolence movement led to that scene where Han shoots first and Greedo explodes in a shower of acid gore!) Films will cease to become glimpses into a bygone era and will instead become meaningless pastiches from various decades, another thread in the acid-washed tapestry of pop culture! Remember folks, you heard it here first!

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 3:17 p.m. CST

    I don't care what anyone says, I'll buy it.

    by Deeznuts97

    I'll admit that I have my missgivings towards the multiple editions and the addition of more footage, but to tell you the truth it's my guilty pleasure. If the flanneled one decides to add some more stuff, I'll dig it either way because it's more Star Wars for the viewing.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 3:21 p.m. CST

    I HATE LUCAS

    by CONNOR MCMANUS

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 3:22 p.m. CST

    I HATE LUCAS

    by CONNOR MCMANUS

    George Lucas is just going to keep destroying the OT until they become some fucked up ass backwards bastardization of there former selves.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Oh, for crying out loud.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Go order some bootleg DVDs of the original trilogy taken from laserdisc (they shouldn't be to hard to find) and shut up. I don't like the Special Editions much either, but at least I've stopped bitching about it. BTW, the original text of "The Hobbit" is available in "The Annotated Hobbit," so it hasn't really gone anywhere either. sk

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Here's a theory on why he started doing this...

    by tpat

    ...and why little demonic faces and 'spider-walk' were added to The Exorcist. It's to make it a 'new' work. Thus these films, released prior to 1978, gain the extended copyright protection given to films released after 1978. Thus the original film arguably does not fall into the public domain for a much longer time. And you'll never see a really first rate Criterion work-up of it. Weird thing is that it's more of a concern for those who'd be collecting royalties long after his death, but I guess he has to provide for his kin _somehow_. The kids've gotta eat, you know, and if he's gotta rape his lifework in order to ensure it, then so be it. tpat.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 3:31 p.m. CST

    HAHAHAH my laserdiscs will live forever!

    by SG7

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 3:33 p.m. CST

    All Glory To The Hypno-Toad!

    by Spaceman Spliff

    Hey, HT, we should pool our resources and try to edit our own version of Episode 1: I've been thinking for about four years now that Ozment was born to play Anakin. Ahh, what could have been, right? "If you're looking for the spoon, it's in the foot-powder."

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Got to admit....

    by SoupDragon

    a better fight scene between Vader and Obi Wan in ANH would at least add some consistency. And that Jabba/Han bit could use plenty of improvement. Restore the Greedo/Han shootout to the original and I might just give it a rental.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Tinkertinkertinkertinker

    by Christopher3

    Tinkertinkertinkertinker... As for the copyright theory, that doesn't fly. CR protection lasts for the life of the author plus 70 years, which means that the clock starts ticking for *all* versions of "Star Wars" at the same time; ie. when Lucas croaks.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Just buy the bootleg DVDs

    by ScreamingPenis

    Some of the bootleg DVDs that are being peddled on some of the well-known auction sites are not that bad. And it's another dollar that is not going to GL.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 4:30 p.m. CST

    The People

    by Catbarf the 5th

    Lucas created Star Wars, owns all the legal rights to it, and he's inarguably free to make as many alternate versions of the SW films as he likes. That said, I find GL's all-out "the original movies never happened" attitude very troubling. What about cultural ownership? I don

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Bring on the changes

    by Highlighter

    The only truism in Star Wars is that asshole fans will never be satisfied. If Lucas had never changed a frame, there would still be people bitchin' about box mattes, bad animation and puppets in the age of CGI. I remember back in the early 90's fans hoping - PRAYING - that Lucas would go back and "fix" things to their satisfaction. THAT is the problem: everyone has a different opinion of what it will take to satisfy them. For some purists, Lucas must NEVER touch a frame. For others, every dodgy shot and continuity error must be erased. While I certainly support the idea of the original versions being released as a part of the same DVD set -- if nothing else as a tribute to the original technicians and actors to created them and won awards for their work -- but if not, then Lucas should do whatever he can to make all six film fit together as well as possible. If that means juicing the Ben/Vader fight, then so be it. I was actually hoping he would do this. It will work better in terms of the overall saga when seen as a whole. Oh, and all you "Lucas is a revisionist hack" assholes out there, Lucas didn't start this special edition stuff. Spielberg did the Close Encounters special edition in 1980. He altered E.T. for the video release in 1988. Ridley Scott changed Blade Runner in 1992. He's now cut Alien so that the pacing will be better tolerated by younger audiences (I'm not fucking kidding!). Directors have been tweaking sound mixes and recutting scenes for decades. This is not a new phenomenon. Fuck, the "great" Peter Jackson fuckin' releases TWO different versions of the same two LOTR films within 6 months of each other and you sandwich artists have the nerve to call Lucas a money grubbing bastard?! Did Jackson release the two versions on the same day? No. Why? Because he wanted you hypocritical bastards to shell out $40 instead of $15. And you did! Then, as you were wiping his man juice off your chins, you were shouting, "Now cum in my ass, P.J.!" Buncha Dicks.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 4:33 p.m. CST

    What about the culture at large? It also "owns" Star Wars!!!

    by Catbarf the 5th

    Lucas created Star Wars, owns all the legal rights to it, and he's inarguably free to make as many alternate versions of the SW films as he likes. That said, I find GL's all-out "the original movies never happened" attitude very troubling. What about cultural ownership? I don

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 4:37 p.m. CST

    I know why George Lucas is doing this...

    by The Tao of Joe

    Its simple folks. The original version of the original star wars trilogy proves that, get this, George Lucas was actually a very good film maker at one point in his life, and also that, get this, you didn't need computer animation, colossal light saber duels, or anything else to tell a good story. He has accumulated all of these vices throughout the years, and his craft has turned into something bland and rather TV like. He wants us to forget so we will stop complaining about the crap he puts out today. Don't you guys see that? He doesn't want to be reminded that he was good so that he doesn't feel so guilty over how bad he has turned out.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Begorrah!

    by Miracleman

    That's... that's all I have to say about this. The hubris of the Flannelled One continues to astonish me.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 4:54 p.m. CST

    But....but....but.......Moriarty mentioned this yesterday.

    by RobinP

    Pure coincidence - as I sit here, I just got through watching the original re-mastered pre-SE VHS of "Empirs" and sat there the whole while wistfully dreaming of a pre 2005 dvd release...

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 4:57 p.m. CST

    That sounds incredibly stupid

    by Dragonfire

    I must be one of the few people in the world who thought the Yoda-Dooku duel from ep II looked ridiculous. It was like a pin ball game. The idea of Alec Guiness's Obiwan doing somersaults in ANH hurts. Clearly George Lucas's plan is to butcher the original trilogy beyond recognition so that eventually it will be as if it never existed, and all that will be left will be the super duper ultra special edition versions, and then people in the future won't be able to see how crappy the prequels are because they won't be able to measure them up against the OT. No doubt the duel in ESB will probably be made more flashy as well, at the expense of the dark, dramatic tension that made ESB as brilliant as it was.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Greedo didn't shoot first..........

    by Blok Narpin

    If Lucas would change it so Han shot first again, and change Empire so that it's Iam McDermond playing the emperor (or at the very least re-dub it with Iam McDermond's VOICE!!) I would be happy. I prefer the special editions, witht he exception of Greedo shooting first. That was inane. Also, WHY would he not re-do that scene with the Emperor in Empire?? That CLEARLY was not the same man we saw in Jedi, or in the new trilogy.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Frankenstein abortion

    by looklost

    Lucas, you bone hacking cum burping bitch!!! You have turned something I love into a Frankenstein abortion. Leave it be, work on writing the last 3, then DIE so someone with some directing talent can take over.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Sounds cool as hell!!!

    by TheJon

    Most of the changes made for the Special Editions are cool! I HATE Greedo shooting first and I can't stand the wrong actor still playing the Emperor as a hologram in Empire Strikes Back. ...looks/sounds really shitty. Especially now if you were to watch 1, 2, 3, 4 and then you get to 5 and go "whoa, is that supposed to be the Emperor? Why does he look totally different?", then you get to 6 and go "ummmm... now he's the same actor again, what happened?" ...and one last thing I wish they'd fix: the stop motion AT ATs! Yuck! There's nothing more foul than stop motion! Ugh. Anyway... I absolutely welcome all the updates and enhancements to the original trilogy! Bring 'em on!

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 5:36 p.m. CST

    think catbarf hit nail on head

    by Dragonfire

    Refusing to ever release the OT on DVD feels a bit like Lucas is trying to spite us. Why would Lucas of all people refuse to do something that could only make him more money? He milks his star wars franchise in as many ways as he can except the one way that would provide him with the most profit and would actually please his fans. Just looking at it that way pisses me off. Sure, obviously all our complaining is getting to him and now he's making a statement by not releasing the OT on DVD, basically: "These are my movies, I'll do whatever I want with them, so fuck off". It's a shame, and seems harsh on his part to get pissed off at his own fans because they liked his creation the way it was. If he'd only release the OT on DVD then he could tinker with his movies as much as he wants and we wouldn't have to give a shit because we'd have them the way they should be.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Why are all Lucas updates about Star Wars? he's made other movie

    by SexyBeast

    Howard the Duck on DVD?

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 6:29 p.m. CST

    George Lucas is a sad disappointment...

    by HavokJD

    I don't want to get into the never-ending cycle of arguments that go on here. I just want to profess my profound sadness that something that was once a huge part of my life has been, in essence, destroyed. I will never be able to watch the original series again (possibly, this might be extremely literal) without thinking about the utter defilement that has occurred to it since its release and the actions of its creator. It's not so much the changes, etc that are disheartening. It is George Lucas himself. It is because of George Lucas that I will never enjoy his films the same way again. George Lucas....you truly are a disappointment.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 6:38 p.m. CST

    The fact that those theforce.net pics are still up makes me high

    by Andy Travis

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 6:51 p.m. CST

    You know, it might not be so bad....

    by DouglasAH

    If he just put in a CGI Jabba that doesn't look like shit, and gave us a Wampa that doesn't look like a guy in a Wampa suit, then the first two films would be okay. There's no saving Jedi with that horrible 'musical number,' though. Just isolate that whole scene as a chapter, so we can blow right past it.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Geeks were meant to suffer...

    by JAGUART

    It's their lot in life.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 7:53 p.m. CST

    smooth move george

    by atomheartbrother

    i don't care what any of you haters say, it's a good move and i salute you george wherever you are. tightning up a larger audience on the classic star wars trilogy with a big dvd release before ep 3 just might make more fans and joe public alike reconsider the first two prequels (namely, is there more there than meets the eye?). not only is it clever marketing, but as a fan whose taken the wider view in my assesment of eps 1 and 2 (which means i like them a lot) i gotta respect george's shot at some star wars critical schadenfreude.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Star Wars on LD

    by Ktak

    If anyone's considering buying a laserdisc player to watch your Star Wars original trilogy LDs, you'd better do it pretty soon. Pioneer, the last remaining manufacturer of laserdisc players, ceased production of all LD players last year. You can still find some backstock LD/DVD combo players, but once they're gone that's it. When DVDs first came out in 1997. I bought a top of the line LD-S9 from Japan which is built like a tank and should last for quite a while. The picture on the THX certified LDs (original and special edition) are obviously not as good as a DVD would be, but it is still light years ahead of VHS and holds up well even when projected on 100-inch screen.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 10:45 p.m. CST

    I love how people get angry at Lucas for changing HIS films

    by Ribbons

    Don't give me any of that "it belongs to the public" bullshit. What it looks like belongs to him more than it belongs to you, and you can pile fan upon fan upon fan in an attempt to stir up an avalanche, but it won't make these films any less his. I am a little weary of the conspiracies, second guesses, and overall contempt he seems to have for his fans, and I also think he should at least release the OT alongside the newer ones, but I don't pretend to think it's my place to determine whether or not he's wrong for not doing so.

  • Sept. 19, 2003, 11:54 p.m. CST

    I 've got a "Special Edition" of my own! I don't need a DVD rel

    by Toby Wan

    Because I've already got em! I bought a "Special Edition" of my own. Some asian genius burned the the LD to DVD and made some excellent menus. It is honestly the best presentation of the HOLY TRILOGY that I have EVER SEEN. EVER. SO lick Chewie's hairy sack, GL.

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 12:45 a.m. CST

    In this version the word "Wookie" has been changed to "Folicall

    by Tall_Boy

    And I dig some of the stuff in the SE's (Cloud City looks awesome, the Death Star battle sings better, I like the expanded celebration scene in ROTJ) but there's some weak stuff in there too (Greedo, Luke's digital ESB scream and the new dance # in ROTJ). Sigh. All this changing is making my head spin. Release both. I'd be interesting to see how it went from 1 place to another.

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Lightsabers will now be replaced by walkie talkies

    by jules windex

    The SE is fine. Just take that atrocious musical number outta ROTJ and they'd be perfect.

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 3 a.m. CST

    I think we are we beyond all this

    by Taxjockey

    No Lucas has done all of this crap before. The only way he is going to generate any hype for DVDs at this point is if someone "accidentally" slips in a gay porn Easter egg so the set has to be recall after three days. Then they can make up some lame reason why they can't re-release that version of the film in a clean edition. Then a million or so copies can mysteriously "escape" destruction. Lucas can sell these under some bad porn style eBay name like Anna Kim Pie Walker. He and Spielberg can use the proceeds to secretly publish a couple of Left-Wing scandal rags in a futile attempt to re-establish balance in American politics. This is the way to go.

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Its Funny

    by ktownman

    Most of the people have the Ego the size of the planet "Basketball" before Darth Nader blew it up in that Epic Hardware Wars: The Special Edition. Im as pissed as anybody that only the special edition might see DVD but its not really our choice and or do we really have a say in the process. I think special editions are cool in a way other then Night Of The Living Dead 30th Anniversary that one still makes me feel weird. I like the Jabba scene and I hate the greddo scene but above all else these are Lucasfilm's characters. Being a 27 year old man sure the original trilogy has a special spot in my heart and I knew right off the prequels would not meet that expectation because I am no longer that 5 year old boy watching Star Wars. Episode 1 was crap other then a few lines of dialogue and Darth Maul but I liked AOTC. The talkbackers are mostly all men and I relate to you guys and i know what being a fan of Star Wars or LOTR or whatever is like but step outside you BS im right and this is how the movie should be made attitude. We are just grains of sand on a beach that doesnt really care. Enjoy the movies and if they dont reach our expectation it doesnt really matter to the filmakers and its damn right pitiful to call Lucas names because he has already invented a fictional universe that has given us so much in terms of books and movies and video games. So grow up fanboys your not the center of the universe.

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Rest assured....

    by TheBuffalo

    ... that the OT will be released on DVD. I don't believe for one second that the original material doesn't exist anymore - they needed something to work with while adding the new effects, right? No doubt they'll do the 'Alien Quadrilogy trick' somewhere in the future. In the meantime, new bootleg DVD's of the OT have recently become available with lip-synch problems solved, so I'm not worried.

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Star wars Galaxies for PC is the biggest piece of shit game...!!

    by Rcamacho2278

    DOn't buy this SHIT game, buy Knights of the old republic for xbox instead. Star wars galaxies is taking the name of star wars and shoving it down a fan boys throat, and the fan boy loves it cuz hes a fan boy till he realizes it sucks..

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 6 a.m. CST

    think about it part 1

    by feverishkin

    think about it....if lucas is indeed some money hungry fiend...would'nt it create tremendous buzz to OT fans if he told them he was never gonna release them....then he releases them?

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 6:02 a.m. CST

    think about it..episode 2

    by feverishkin

    why is lucas the only director tinkering with a sci fi film from the 70's?

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 6:05 a.m. CST

    think about it...ep.3

    by feverishkin

    why is'nt he tinkering with the indiana jones movies? maybe because steven said "no"? (although i wonder how much sucking he had to do to change the name of the first one)

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 6:10 a.m. CST

    think about it..ep.4(oh wait is the 4th one the 1st one, or how

    by feverishkin

    does lucas think that future generations will forget about STAR WARS? you know like our generation forgot about "ben hur" or "casablanca"...my daughter has been watching OT since she was 4...and she does a mean DARTH VADER.

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Fucking SHUT UP and get lives, you loser. Fixing the films make

    by Commando Cody

    I'm not going to take the side that the films belong to Lucas vs. they belong to "the world" and thus should never be touch -- first off, that's utter bullshit. The movies are private property belonging to Lucas and Fox. To those who say Lucas is ruining your memories of childhood CLEARLY you had a misspent childhood that is lacking in things to look back on. For fuck's sake IT'S ONLY A MOVIE. Next, I agree with people like OrionsAngel and others here he accurately note that in comparison the prequels the original trilogy (I mean THE original versions) JUST LOOK BAD. For God's sake, there are matte lines abounding, you can see how some models were held up, some of the stop motion of the Taun Tauns or AT ATs is actually stiff and clunky and yes -- the fight in NEW HOPE, compared to the hyperkinetic fights of Episodes 1, 2 and surely 3 (where the stunt coordinator has stated the Obi Wan vs. Anakin fight is going to be the coolest, longest and most fast paced fight of them all) COULD do with a sprucing up. For crying out loud, there are TONS of things that could still be "tweaked" in the final 3 films given the technology available today. And Lucas has only made TWO versions, you fucks! The ORIGINAL versions and then the SPECIAL EDITIONS. 2!!! It's just that they've been available in about every format there is so it seems like more. So 2 versions is bad? How is that any different then Jackson and LOTR? Someone below said it best -- Lucas takes a few years apart to "upgrade" effects and all, yet Jackson puts out alternate versions 6 months apart and as the poster noted you suck his cock and then bend over and say "Now shoot it up my ass TOO, please, P.J." And another thing, remember that the changes he makes will be seen by a NEW GENERATION of fans. THESE will be the editions they grow up on. Right, like a kid born today is going to care about the version from 30 years ago, especially if it's NOT even available. No, the version that kid WILL grow up on and be inspired by will be the new versions, all fixed up and ready to go. So you know what? Fuck you all -- Everyone around here loves to pile on STAR WARS as if that's the fun trend to do, but the truth is the Star Wars films STILL kick ass and are STILL amazingly vibrant and alive and fun. More so than pretty much anything out there. I for one think Lucas is dead-on right for fixing the last 3 films. And for the record, he HAS been saying all along to you brain dead and deaf fucks that he'd release them on DVD in order so that one by one he could tweak away. Yet somehow the news that the last 3 will get some final tweaks has you all in an uproar. Damn. You know that bit I said earlier about you not having full childhoods and enough to look back on to occupy your time properly? Guess what...all your whining about how Lucas is raping your childhoods or coming here to whine how STAR WARS is "diminished" in your mind only shows that you STILL have fucking too much time on your hands as ADULTS too!

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Star Wars, Blade Runner, ET, Touch of Evil

    by VibroCount

    Filmmakers get to remake their films. Sometimes the films get a little better; often they get a lot worse. I like the cutting on the theatrical version of Blade Runner better'n any of the remakes. I have no preference on ET (but I really like that I can choose either from the DVD set). I have the theatrical release of Touch of Evil on VHS, but only the recent non-Welles remake is available on DVD. So I keep both. I hope Lucas will eventually release the original versions of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back & The Return of the Jedi on DVD. He has always shown a willingness to issue another package every year, year after year. If he doesn't, then someone will after he's dead, just like they did with Touch of Evil. I think the changes made on the original three Stars Wars film distracted from the storytelling, adding spectaclular (in the spectacle sense) details which pulled your eyes from the main focus of those shots. But I also like to compare what the film's creator started with to where he thinks it ought to be today. I hope that eventually they give us that opportunity on DVD. And no, I don't like to get bootleg anything. I prefer to compensate the creators for their work.

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 11:12 a.m. CST

    There is a difference

    by Taxjockey

    In the case of 'Blade Runner', and a bunch of other films like 'The Abyss' we had a situation where the director did not have final-cut, and was later able to go back and restore the original "vision." In the case of 'Touch of Evil' someone made an honest effort to restore the film to the director's vision. With 'E.T.' and 'Star Wars' there is a certain amount of intellctual dishonesty involved. Changes have been made to these films in part because of some bull-shit political correctness, and we have the director saying claiming that they are smarter now. But you know what, these film weren't made some old guy, they were made basically by kids, and that has a lot to do with their power and charm.

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Catbarf

    by DocPazuzu

    Well put, indeed. "Guerilla public service." I like that.

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Who cares? Let him stuff his precious dvds up his fat arse.

    by Paddy_McGinty

    Useless, money-grubbing has-been. Needs another solid gold house does he?

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 1:44 p.m. CST

    "Sacralige?!" BULLSHIT! I can't wait for the new versions!!

    by Noriko Takaya

    As many others have already pointed out, the old movies were great but GODDAMN they need tweaking! The lightsaber fight between Vader and Obi-wan in A New Hope? Jesus, it looks like two old men going at it with canes! After Yoda's superball-on-speed throwdown with Dooku in AOTC there's no way people today are gonna accept that shit. Tweak away to your heart's content, George! And give Phantom Menace the once over while you're at it; we'll all feel better afterwards. Toppu o Nerae!

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Guess what? You're a tool box, Noriko Takaya

    by Tony Mike Hall

    OWK and Darth look like a couple of geezers? Thank you dipshit - that was the ever-lovin' point. Kenobi was old and ready go - Lucas has always said that we would see better saber fighting in the prequels, when the it was the Jedis heyday. So pipe down and don't post again until I give you permission.

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Tony Mike, Don't make me come over there and bitch-slap you into

    by Noriko Takaya

    Just because *you* happen to like the decrepit old played-out versions of Star Wars doesn't mean we all do. Did you not read Commando Cody's post above? I've disagreed with him in the past but on this issue he is 100% right. Now go clean up your room, the adults are talking. Toppu o Nerae!

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Hey All you Gay Ass Fanboys

    by KennyB

    They are HIS films if you don't want 'em don't buy them--but we all know you are worthless and weak and will buy them anyway!

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Noriko Takaya - kuso shite shine

    by Tony Mike Hall

    That's right, bitch. I own you. Now let me drive a fucking stake through all the revisionist arguments. If Lucas wants to revise the original trilogy a thousand times, fine with me. I'm not arguing he shouldn't, fuckwad. But he should also release the OT as ORIGINALLY PRODUCED - if not to please his fans then to at least preserve history. We should all be able to access the originals on a format like DVD. Now fuck off before I call your mother and tell her you're surfing the net on her AOL account again. KUSO KURAI!

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Tony Mike Hall you are asshole supreme.

    by Sith Lord Sauron

    Get this through your fat fucking head, cuntmaggot--THESE ARE LUCAS' FILMS. NOT YOURS. IF HE WANTS TO REVISE THEM AND THEN BURN THE NEGATIVES OF THE ORIGIONAL TRILOGY AND NEVER EVER EVER LET YOU SEE THEM AGAIN IT IS HIS RIGHT. And frankly judging by your rotten behavior I hope he DOES. You, me and everyone else on this board have only two things to say about it--JACK and SHIT, and Jack just left town. So KISS MY ASS LOUD MOUTH SHITSTAIN WHO CAN ONLY TALK SMACK BEHIND A KEYBOARD. Noriko and Cody are RIGHT and YOU are WRONG. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT LUCAS IS DOING THEN PISS OFF.

  • Sept. 20, 2003, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Oh, dear god.

    by Noriko Takaya

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA! You must be, what, 13 years old, Hall? 14? Daaaam, how embarassing, I've been arguing with a child. Or a 'tard. Either way that's enough. Peace and I'm out. Toppu o Nerae!

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Sore Asshole

    by Itchy

    Amazing. I just did a search on the talkback thread, and as of the time of my writing, Lucase had only been accused of raping something or another twice. You people must be getting soft. My $.02 ? I hope he does release them ASAP ... I'm sick of having to rewind the damn tapes every day after my 3 year old finished watching his "Star Wars Trilogy Movie". Say what you want about Lucas, but kids love the films ... so maybe he's right. Me ? A few more scenes with Natalie Portman's nips poking through her shirt and I'll declare the man on par with Marty Scorcese.

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Sith Lord Sauron......

    by one9deuce

    George Lucas has the money to "revise" the Star Wars Trilogy because of the filmgoing public. WE paid for his freedom to do as he pleases, therefore he does owe us the OT as originally shown. If he had been independently wealthy prior to 1977 and made the OT to watch for free, then obviously we wouldn't have any say. But that isn't the situation.

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 3:52 a.m. CST

    George Lucas has outlived his usefulness

    by Durendal

    Lucas doesn't give a crap about what the fans think. He's an egotistical jerk who seems to be trying his darndest to destroy his own achievements. The prequels have suckes so far, and there's really no way to make the originals better. Don't mess with perfection, you moron. Lucas needs to die in a car wreck so we don't have to put up with this crap anymore. I'm just glad I have the original trilogy on Laserdisc, which is probably the best quality version of the original trilogy you're ever going to find. Fuck Lucas.

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 6:06 a.m. CST

    I hate what he's doing, but I'll still buy it, as will most big

    by GimliMcGimpy

    Maybe once he dies and his kids want more money, they'll release the OT... in the mean time, someday there will be those illegal DVDs of the real OT for sale overseas with 5.1 widescreen made from that very final laserdisc release, and once I see one of those bastards for a reasonable price, I'll likely snatch it up as well. Not like Lucas is trying to make money off that version anymore anyway. If only I hadn't been but a child and had known the magic of Widescreen and laser products when that final release came out. *sigh* And if only Disney's release patterns hadn't lulled me into a sense of "Oh yeah, they say it's the last time you can own it, but they'll have it for sale again in another 5 years" when they said it was going to be the last time ever you could own it. A million "what ifs" and still a childhood friend is gone and left no forwarding address...

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Duhh

    by contra32

    he will finally release(if he is still alive) the Original 3 after hes has made everyone to think and to give in and to buy his new crap it is a marketing plow (like NEW coke) he stands to make so much more money yhat way lol he may be a jerk, but he is smarter than most tycoons

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 11:14 a.m. CST

    I deeply apologize Sith Lord Sauron...

    by Tony Mike Hall

    ...for absolutely nothing. We are ALL hiding behind keyboards, asscork, and who asked you to pipe up anyway? When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you. As for Lucas, you telling me I'm "wrong" is meaningless. For the last time, I understand Lucas can do whatever he wants with his movies - everyone is aware of this. This is not the point of the discussion. Many of his fans, as you can plainly see, would like to see the OT released on DVD as originally produced. If Lucas gave half a shit about all the people who have spent their money to make him rich, who love his properties perhaps even more than he does, he might want to listen up. I KNOW HE DOESN'T HAVE TO - I'M NOT ARGUING HE HAS TO. (Note the use of all caps to drive this point through your thick-skulled head.) In fact, I don't know why he wouldn't want to release the OT in its pure form - he'll only stand to make more money. He can sell us the OT, the OT special edition, and the OT super special edition that Harry is talking about, we'll buy them all like suckers, and he'll make another mint. Sounds like a plan. Now, does this all make sense to you? Did I use enough small words? See, "right" or "wrong" don't figure into it, my young padawan. Now go clean up your legos before Daddy comes home and beats you again.

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Excellent comeback, Noriko...

    by Tony Mike Hall

    Well done. I'm hoping I can one day grow up to be as smart as you. You and your toddler friend Sauron arguing Lucas can do whatever he wants is simply brilliant. Thanks again for stating the obvious to everyone on this board.

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 11:55 a.m. CST

    SW special editions...

    by boba_rob

    I liked the attack on the death star in new hope, the new cloud city updates and the new sarlaac. Hated Greedo, Jabba, Lukes scream was lame and the musical number in Jedi. How lame. Please Please Please release untouched versions of the OT!

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 12:48 p.m. CST

    These are NOT George Lucas' films, they are OUR films! He may ha

    by Uncle Sam

    Movies belong to the fans who pay to see them. Without us, there would never have been ESB, ROTJ, TPM, AOTC or any other Lucasfilm/Star Wars related projects! Fucker! You owe us big time! If we say we want the original, NON-modified, NON-lame versions on DVD, you better give them to us on a silver fucking platter!

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 12:48 p.m. CST

    These are NOT George Lucas' films, they are OUR films! He may ha

    by Uncle Sam

    Movies belong to the fans who pay to see them. Without us, there would never have been ESB, ROTJ, TPM, AOTC or any other Lucasfilm/Star Wars related projects! Fucker! You owe us big time! If we say we want the original, NON-modified, NON-lame versions on DVD, you better give them to us on a silver fucking platter!

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Sauron, cody and Noriko

    by Dragonfire

    I don't like what GL is doing, and I'll say whatever the hell I like about it, because in case you hadn't noticed, that's what these talkbacks are for. So it's no use spraying that "they're George Lucas's movies so he can do what he wants" BULLSHIT at us everytime, and telling us to "Piss off" if we don't like what GL is doing, because this talkback is about what George Lucas is doing and if you don't like us talking about it then WTF are you doing in these forums in the first place? I guess you all just popped along to tell us that what we're doing is pointless and we should all find something more useful to do, well you appear to be under the false impression that what you say means SHIT to us. Star wars may be just a movie, but movies, like a lot of other things in this world, mean a lot to people, and it takes a few minutes of my time to post on this forum so it's not like taking the time to say my piece about this means my whole life revolves around this forum. The fact is that, yes, they may be George Lucas's movies but we, the fans, made his movies what they are and therefore the least he could do before he goes and edits them beyond recognition is to release the OT on DVD, knowing that the bulk of the generations that made SW what it is in the first place would want that. Is that so much to ask, especially considering it would only make him MORE money? And for the last time, what peter Jackson is doing with his DVD's is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from what GL is doing. He's reinserting originally deleted footage into the movies, and he warned us beforehand that there was going to be two different versions. What's more, PJ improved his movies by doing so, whereas GL, as shown with the special editions, did not. The special edition LOTR dvd's are gifts to the fans, as it was the fans who requested that deleted footage be reinserted. George Lucas on the other hand, knows that most of his fans prefer the OT to the special editions, so what does he do? He decides to not release the OT on Dvd and instead edit the movies even more (according to rumour). It's There that the difference between George Lucas's attitude towards his fans and that of people like PJ is emphasized. It's true that GL reduced Jar Jar's screentime in Ep II and put Boba Fett in because he thought that would be popular with the fans, so I guess it's wrong to say that he's COMPLETELY indifferent to what the fans want, but ffs, I don't want to watch ROTJ on DVD and have to endure that "Jedi rocks" scene again. All he really had to do for the special editions was update the effects a bit and that would have been fine. He didn't have to insert his fever dreams into the movies.

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Don't Buy The Shite Special Editions!

    by Megaladon

    Don't buy these terrible special editions! George is all about the money. If sales tank, he will have to release the originals untouched. And don't get me started on Episode I and II - they're beyond repair.

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 3:44 p.m. CST

    What about the AFI?

    by Wungolioth

    What if we were all to email the American Film Institute to put the pressure on George Lucas, to make absolutely sure that the original untouched trilogy is preserved? It seems to me this is the sort of thing they do.

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Sue him

    by voodoo_joe

    We should file a lawsuit against Lucas for pain and anguish. I'd settle for the original trilogy on DVD.

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 5:56 p.m. CST

    we'll see-- well, some of us, anyway..

    by Hypestyle

    i don't own ANY of the editions of any of the films.. vhs, laserdisc, dvd, etc.. So, I'm waiting to see what happens.. In any case, the "originals" still exist out there, especially in vhs form, so fans of the originals should not fret.. why trip? It's "only" movies..

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 6:42 p.m. CST

    EAT MY SHIT, HALL. And you too, Fagonfire. I'll "pipe up" when I

    by Sith Lord Sauron

    The boath of you are probably a couple of basement-dwelling, zit-ridden, overweight chronically-masturbating LOSERS of the sort who give fandom a bad name. Why don't you go play with your Star wars action figures and leave us the hell alone? Or better yet, GROW THE FUCK UP. And I'll say it once again since it pisses you off so much: Lucas doesn't owe you JACK. In fact I hope he NEVER releases the origional versions and digitally inserts Jar-Jar, Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera into every other scene! They can even put some tunes on the soundtrack; it'll be sure to bring in younger viewers. Oh and nice droble-post, Uncle Sam--what are you, on meth? JEEZUS, what's with this place?? GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY TALKBACK, FAGS. BIG WILLIE SAURON IS HERE TO PLAY!!

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 7:32 p.m. CST

    complaining is funny!

    by Smeg For Brains

    I don't like BLAH! He shouldn't BLAH! You guys are BLAH! Man it's all so funny. It's all going to happen so what the hell are you guys thinking you are ever gong to do about it? Lucas has already shown that he is going to do whatever he wants with the movies, and that is that. What is the point of pissing and moaning about it. Either buy the shit or don't. Who cares what you think about it?

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Pictures removed at request of Lucasfilm. 12:30 EDT

    by KryptonsLastSon

    Fucking cowards... nuff said.

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Wrong, Dragonfire - 1

    by Commando Cody

    You said "And for the last time, what peter Jackson is doing with his DVD's is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from what GL is doing. He's reinserting originally deleted footage into the movies, and he warned us beforehand that there was going to be two different versions." So exactly HOW is that different than Lucasfilm and Rick McCullum formally stating to the fans (which they have repeatedly): "We are going to release the movies on DVD, but only in order and specifically so George can tweak and fix a few final things -- such as reinserting deleted footage and updating the effects -- to ensure that all 6 final DVDs will represent his true vision of what he always intended the 6 part saga to be." Seems to me if your argument in defense of Jackson is simply that he told you in advance there would be 2 differing versions out there, Lucasfulm long ago alerted you to the same news. So you should have no gripe.

  • Sept. 21, 2003, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Wrong, Dragonfire - 2

    by Commando Cody

    You also said: "What's more, PJ improved his movies by doing so, whereas GL, as shown with the special editions, did not." Well, first off, that's merely an OPINION -- namely yours. You are far from the final word on this. Personally, I'll argue with you till the bitter end that the special editions are VAST improvements over the original theatrical releases. And so will plenty of others out here. Secondly, you said "The special edition LOTR dvd's are gifts to the fans, as it was the fans who requested that deleted footage be reinserted." Yeaaaaahhh...and your point is??? Just how is that any different then those of us who asked Lucas to do the same? Namely to put as much shot footage BACK into the movies as he could that existed? I, for one, LOVED the newer version of New Hope. I loved seeing the lost footage of Luke and Biggs talking in the hangar or Han and Jabba initially bargaining. And if Lucas goes back and fixes New Hope more, I just hope he reinserts the OTHER missing Biggs scene that takes place earlier in the film, where Biggs first tells Luke he's leaving Tatooine - which is what essentially DOES set up the emotional thrust of the famous Luke looks at the setting suns scene and he feels like he's never going anywhere. So again, to say Jackson is giving fans a "gift" by adding in footage they were demanding to see and Lucas isn't giving the same "gift" to die-hard Star Wars fans just shows your bias toward Jackson and LOTR and is utterly ludicrous.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 12:06 a.m. CST

    shut the fuck up.

    by johnnynova

    You heard me. Now shut the fuck up you cock-smoking nerds. GL can do what the fuck he wants. None of you tools can accept the fact that you don't possess a 1/16th of his gnius. So fuck off. Bring on the Ultra-Editions, George. Fuck the fanboy baggage handlers.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 4:45 a.m. CST

    The only way people will see the unaltered edition of the OT is

    by spike fan

    If the new edition does not sell well. Its like the TPM (Shit movie that it is) Lucas said he was not going to relesse it on DVD until the the Prequels were done but cause TPM video sales were so poor low and behold the DVD. Same goes for the OT.Fan boys just simply need to realise that the only thing Lucas takes seriously is how much money he takes out of your wallets and into his. So stop the cash flow Lucas will soon relesse the REAL. OT to get it going again.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Harrison Ford is the only one with more than half a brain

    by sofalord

    At least he jumped ship and went on to HAVE a career in films. Even Alec Guinness would have rather died than been in the prequels.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Could v should

    by rizla

    I personally loved those vaseline stains under Luke's landspeeder. Every time I see that scene it reminds why I loved SW. It was a low-tech future made real. Stuff didn't work! In practically every film the Millenium Falcon either breaks down or is under repair. The Empire relies on trash compactors, not hi-tech disintegrating rays to get rid of its garbage. Droids get sold for scrap. Cool! The idea of an all-sparkly-shiny ANH is just wrong. GL didn't even direct the other two movies, why the fuck should he even touch them? Imagine if the producers of other movies started making these sorts of decisions? Tey are public domain. Leave them the fuck alone, George. Take your fingers out your ears and stop making that 'na na I can't hear you' noise. You know we hate this shit. Star Wars was the first film my dad ever took me to see. The landspeeder had a fucking vaseline stain on it then. The new version doesn't have it, neither does it bring back those memories. You sick fuck

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 10:28 a.m. CST

    GL only proves he is a terrible director

    by hfhdufopsafnp

    Its all so simple. A REAL artist, learns from mistakes and tries to better himself. GL has tried for many years to improve upon his first public triumph. So far his best is Howard the Duck ;) He now realizes that he HAS NO SKILL AS A DIRECTOR/STORYTELLER. He cannot do anything right. So as a last pathetic attempt of artistic endevours he is meddling with his own work from 30 years ago. Any moron can redo what has already been done. Any idiot can go back on something so old and find minor errors. It's easy. Its all he has left, the sad fool. With every Uber edition he only sinks lower. Proving he has NO ABILITY to make a NEW good movie. Unfortunatly for us, we once idolized an arrogant f*&k who won't come to terms with his own shortcomings.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Nobody will read this so it doesn't really matter....

    by Jaka

    ...but I think you guys have answered the question as to why George hasn't (or "won't") put out the original versions of the OT - because that's all we would buy and then we (most of us) would have no further interest in buying his crap ass SE. This way - he can put out as many SE as he wants and THEN release the originals as a way to fund eps 7-9......yeah, right.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Lucas just wants his creations to all fit together and be the be

    by HansDelbruck

    I remember George saying he wanted to wait until all the episodes had been made and release one big final edition on DVD. What a great idea. You know that even though the basic story has been mapped out for years, some details that arise in the prequels may not jive 100% with the originals so some tinkering with the OT would not only be OK but probably necessary (Dropping Ian McDiarmid into ESB as the Emperor, maybe an all made-up Hayden under the helmet at the end of ROTJ,etc...). But everybody bitched that they didn't want to wait! So, now we have E1 and E2 DVD's that everyone bought and now we're hearing about E4-6 coming soon to DVD (and I doubt those are FINAL since E3 won't have been seen yet). So when the big 'Final Editon' comes out in a few years (the original plan remember) you'll all bitch that you have to buy everything again because Lucas is cash hungry hack. Not to mention that when you all cry loud and long enough he'll put the Original Trilogy (not SE) out which will either be a separate set to buy or add greatly to the price of one HUGE set - you'll complain that he's just doing it for the money - WHEN HE NEVER WANTED TO RELEASE THEM! I for one am really goddamn tired of everyone completely villifying George Lucas for CREATING something that so many people love so much. As far as updating the OT with new effects, lets not forget that we're talking about a story that has been created over nearly thirty years so huge differences in FX technology would be a huge distraction, which is even more relevant in this case because the center and ending sections of the story were filmed FIRST. I think it would be ridiculous to watch E1 thru E3 and then see the ugly blur beneath Luke's landspeeder, the outlines around the TIE Fighters or the completely shitty looking Rancor fight in ROTJ (I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing that whole scene re-done). And some of the re-working is just cool - the Falcon taking off from Mos Eisley in the ANH:SE is one my favorite visuals in the whole saga so far. So I say let the man do what he wants. I'm NOT convinced that I'm being manipulated by a money grubbing miser. As far as I'm concerned I'm being ENTERTAINED by a man who had an amazing vision and who, THROUGH UNBELIEVABLE PRESSURE, is staying true to that vision as much as he possibly can. And I THANK HIM FOR IT. - Peace you ungrateful pricks (just kidding)

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 11:22 a.m. CST

    By "fly" d'you mean spry?

    by Drath

    Cause he was definately spry for a 900-year old midget. Not that flying wasn't involved too. Okay, I thought I heard that Lucas had been talked OUT of doing this with the Vader/Ben fight in the original first film. To be totally honest, I don't care what he adds, JUST RELEASE THE ORIGINAL THEATRICAL VERSION TOO!!!!! I hate revisionism. I don't mind going back and giving the original movie more impressive FX, even though they aren't any more perfect that the original FX were, or even trying to incorporate lots of judo flips and gratuitous fighting just to make the whole series more consistant(instead of, ya know, making the NEW films more like the old ones with strong characters instead of being a whore to the CGI/wire-fu loving times), but I do mind trying to erase the memory of the original movie by not releasing it. I HATE that the original Bladerunner isn't available anymore. If nothing else, it was a textbook example of how not to do a voice over. But some fans actually liked it too (my dad for one). Why should they be denied that version? It's not up to the filmmaker to decide what remains available AFTER he's released his movie. No. It's not. As South Park rightly pointed out, it stops being the filmmaker's movie when the public pays to see it. Star Wars is MY movie, George, not yours, I paid for it, I want it back, and you don't have the right to take it away like this.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Compared to the prequels, the lightsaber duel in A NEW HOPE suck

    by StoneMonkey

    the lightsaber scenes during that duel were still crappy in the Special Edition re-release. Hopefully they will add the extra training scene on Dagobah with Luke and Yoda and the "bar cutting" scene as well as adding back in these choice scenes: the part when Luke trys to jump out of the Rancor Pit and gets his fingers smashed by Jabba's cronies, The Wampa attack/ambush on Hoth, the dead tauntaun scene inside the Rebel Hoth base, the "other" Biggs scene in ANH as well as the scenes with Deak, Windy, Camie and Fixer, Luke's viewing of the space battle above and the treadwell robot breaking down, a re-done Rancor monster using CGI, and one final scene a Mos Eisley Cantina redux(yet again with better aliens and not that stupid 'Greedo shoots first scene'). I'm sure many of you will concur.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Dammit Lucas!

    by Kid Z

    STOP effin' up your only works of genious, the original trilogy (Okay, the original versions of Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back, anyway... Return of the Jedi being a taste of the true horror to come 16 years later). Blast it , boy, didn't getting your head melted off by those South Park boys teach ya nuttin?!!?

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Ya know though...

    by Kid Z

    ... I really can't blame ol' jowly George Lucas. Sure he's a lame sell-out hack, but all this tinkering and re-re-re-re-releasing and multiple versions of everything is just a symptom of the rot infesting all science fiction. Let's face it folks, as a genre, it's dying an slow, agonizing death... killed by an ever-diminishing, overly-obsessive fanbase and by greedheads like Lucas and Berman and the corporate slimeballs in the publishing and film industries churning out endless variations of the same old, boring repititious crap. It's the same mindset that killed comics in the 90s, only now, it's happening to the entire spectrum of genre entertainment. I mean, how friggin' many more sequals of "Dune" do we need now that Frank Herbert's been dead for 10 years? How many more friggin' episodes of Enterprise need to be aired before the whole series collapses into a singularity of suckage? Even the "rebels" of the Cyberpunk 80s are getting old and senile. Can anyone tell me just what the holy freakin' hell "Pattern Recognition" was supposed to be about, anyway? It's over folks, it's all done. Stick a fork in it!

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Oh you mean the British word for sh*t!

    by Kid Z

    ... For a minute there, I thought you wrote "Shi'ite Editions", which brought about a horrifying mental image of ol' Saggy Jowls wanting to suck up even more money by reediting the trilogy to cash in on the fundamentalist Muslim market. Whew!

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 1:14 p.m. CST

    I hope you're info is accurate Donnie Darko

    by The Gipper

    If the changes that Donnie listed are really being made for the DVD release of Ep. IV, I wouldn't really have a problem with that. Especially with them restoring the scene of Han shooting Greedo in place of the redux scene with Greedo shooting first and missing from 3 feet away. I wonder if they'll insert Stacy as "Pink Five" in the Death Star attack scene from the Star Wars fanfilm.........

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 3:09 p.m. CST

    crybabies

    by DarthMr.Rogers

    Lucas has every right to make those movies what HE wants them to be. I think the non-special edition should be available on DVD, if only for historical reference, comparison... but really, I'm sick of all you crybabies talking about how Lucas is somehow evil for tinkering with his own movies, just 'cause you grew up on them. He owes you nothing. He's bridging the technological gap between two trilogies of CHILDREN'S movies, and that's only wrong because you somehow perceive these movies as being a part of YOU and your CHILDHOOD. They're not "public" property. And furthermore, they're just movies. Get over it. If you're such an expert, why don't YOU go out and make a space opera movie better than Lucas, instead of sitting around writing endless temper tantrums about movies you claim to hate... but go see on opening day anyway. Or, as Shatner once said, GET A LIFE.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Just wait twenty years

    by Movietool

    By that time Desktop computing will be powerful enough that a group of fans will be able to produce a fully computer-animated version of the movies. The realism will likely be almost indistinguishable from live-action. And since they'll probably be fans of the ORIGINAL, they'll make it true to Star Wars' spirit and make sure Han shoots first, etc. PLUS, they'll be able to RE-Make episodes 1-3, taking out Jar-Jar and Midichlorines, etc. Someone WILL do this and give us the versions that many of us wanted. Mark my words.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 4:47 p.m. CST

    My head hurts

    by God Of Forkery

    These aren't even going to be the same movies once No-Neck George finally decides he's satisfied. It's a ridiculous show of ego, and completely disrespectful to the fans who have made him the demi-god he is now. Never forget that, Mr. Lucas . . .we loved your movies then, so you could endlessly fuck with them and alienate us now.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Donnie Darko's OT changes...

    by HansDelbruck

    I think the changes he mentioned, if they are real, sound great. They all make perfect sense and, I think, will enhance the total experience. In fact I have to say they sound kind of exciting. I understand folks wanting the OT (nonSE) for old times sake, I wouldn't mind having them either, but I'm really excited to see the whole 6 film saga all tied together the way George wants them to be.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Donnie Darko...

    by Spike Fett

    You had me until those RotJ changes. "It is finished?" No way would Lucas use such an obvious Christ reference. Padme's spirit standing by Anakin's? She wasn't a Jedi = not possible. I believed you for a minute but now believe only that you are full of shit. Noogins.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Hey Waddya Know

    by JessicaDwyer

    A WORKING link. Take that Lucasfilm!!! http://www.grilled-sarlacc.com/ep3/c/tarkin/Tarkin_spy.jpg The sad thing is...this might make sense about this being for additional scenes for a redo of a New Hope. Because he's WAY TOO FRIGGIN OLD to be a young Tarkin. Oh god...please..be respectful of the dead.. That's the only thing making me believe this could be true. The only cool thing that could come out of this is somehow getting Tarkin and Dooku together in a scene and Tarkin starts running after him with a stake. I'd pay money for that.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Begun this DVD war has.

    by Devil'sOwn

    Wow. No subject polarizes fans and provokes response as much as Star Wars. I love these movies, to me they are pretty much what Lucas intended them to be: Good old-fashioned entertainment. Not just some cult-obsession relished by a select demographic of geeks. And while I certainly don't believe they should be a way of life, they are arguably a part of our culture. Don't like Star Wars? That's okay. Some folks don't like Kiss, or mature label comic books. Doesn't make 'em bad people. Like Star Wars? Then what's the big deal? I daresay even if you were some kind of child prodigy, savant, genius, film student, you ninnies fuckin' don't have the right to talk shit about any creative decision this man makes. Seriously, criticize, voice your opinion all you want, a lot of good men fought and died so you idiots could spew your crap. But you really need to think hard about all the pissing and moaning you do. Damn, most of this is before the fact!! "Oh, I just read a rumor Lucas is going to release the 'OT' on DVD with only the special edition footage, an' he may add some new stuff! Omigod!! That sick, evil, greedy, piece of shit MONSTER." Lord save us from socially-addled Star Wars fanatics. I don't care. When this comes out, people, the people who matter, will buy it. Meanwhile, you "martyrs" will continue come here and swear you will never purchase this item and continue to bitch about how one director has ruined your, hehheh, lives.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 7:53 p.m. CST

    One trick cash pony

    by daglesj

    Anyone thought that Lucas is really only a one trick pony and all he really has is the SW franchise? He is not exactly the greatest director (he got lucky with SW Part3)and therefore has nothing else available to really promote Lucasfilms other than regurgitating what he has already. ILM costs a lot to run I bet and a Special edition of Howard the Duck isnt going to do the trick. So what do you do? Simple, re-hash the SW franchise cos it will make money either way. Besides the films are after all just big moving toy catalogues.

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Always room for improvement

    by Darth_Revan

    I am sick of the debate over OT vs. Special Editions. There is always room for improvement and anything he wants to do to his films is his business. We are all just along for the ride. Revan

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 8:01 p.m. CST

    This is a good thing. We'll always have the Original Trilogy (mi

    by Ted Striker

    You have to admit -- when you watch the old trilogy, the ships are sooo slow. Speed them up! Make them more exciting to watch. Improve the saber battles, but leave in the excellent banter (which is what's missing from the prequels). Believe you me, these are going to be neat to see, and will pay off more handsomely than you know, and much more so than the prequels....

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Star Wars "purists"...

    by Devil'sOwn

    Sorry about the rant earlier. It's no excuse, but shit! Some of these skeeters really test your sanity, y'know?!

  • Sept. 22, 2003, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Your powers are weak....

    by NJM

    Okay, if Lucas were to put more punch, more speed, and more prequel-like style into the Kenobi/Vader duel, Vader's statement of "Your powers are weak old man". Just wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. That's a very important line because Kenobi has not practiced his Jedi ways in twenty years. Kenobi even says, "I was once a Jedi, same as your father". Kenobi admits that he is no longer worthy of being referred to as a Jedi because his powers ARE weak. He stills has bonds to the Force, and can still pull out the old Jedi parlor tricks (i.e. mind trick), but a true Jedi Knight, he's not. So, Vader stating that Kenobi's powers are weak definitely confirms quite a lot, but if Kenobi is twirling, spinning, and jumping with the swift ease, then it will be a contradictory plothole. -NJM

  • Sept. 23, 2003, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Cody, you don't see the difference between PJ and Lucas?

    by minderbinder

    Isn't it obvious? PJ releases BOTH versions of the movie, so "purists" can buy the theatrical cut if they think it is better. Lucas only releases the "new Coke" version, if you liked the originals, you're hosed. Any questions?

  • Sept. 23, 2003, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Call the Lawyers

    by SeverusD

    Lucas can turn the stormtroopers into Teletubbies for all I care, just so long as the Original Trilogy come out on DVD. As he's clearly phenomenally insane, we may need to take LucasFilm to court. Georgeseems to think he can steal our heritage and replace it with his post-senility pale shadows, but surely some clever attorney will be able to force the fucker to give us the real Star Wars films back. If not, the US may need to elect a President with the guts to take on the Skywalker ranch....

  • Sept. 24, 2003, 1:01 p.m. CST

    (sigh)

    by mwhelan67

    If Lucas wants to release (or is that unleash) his "perfect vision" of the Star Wars films, so be it, but he should at least do a double disc with the originals and the "enhanced" versions. David Lynch said it best, "Sometimes you have to stop painting and walk away from the canvas"