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SPIDER-MAN 2 Spoiler! You May Not Wish To Know This!!!
Hey folks, Harry here... seems that Curt Connors is doing more than passing a beaker in this flick... CAN NOT FRIGGIN WAIT!!! Here ya go...
Hi Harry,
first timescooper from France.
I've just read an interview of steve Johnson in the french magazine Mad movies where he discusses his work on "the league of extraordinary gentlemen".
he told the magazine taht it was the biggest film he worked on until Spider man 2 came in where his crew work on the Doc ock tentacle effects and on THE LIZARD!!
first time i hear confirmation of the presence of dr curt connors alter-ego.(the magazine says elsewhere that johnson will supervise the transformation effects on the lizard).
happy to contribute to your great site
Patrice
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Sep 07, 2003 6:33:51 AM CDT
Two villians in one movie? They must be taking the Batman Return
by rogue_leader
Pray this movie turns out better than that piece of crap did! I guess they must be saving Venom for the third Spidey movie. I wish they would get to that villian already. He was alot cooler than ANY of the other villians.
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I trust sam raimi and the incredibly talented scribe michael chabon not to disappoint with THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN. I still bet doc conners lizard transformation is just a bit of foreshadowing for the scaley green guy to take center stage in flick #3. Oh yeah, and somebody get Chabon to work on a big screen version of jack kirby's NEW GODS. he'd nail that cosmic sucka like nobody's business. Chabon is the best thing to come outta Pittsburgh since Ming-Na.
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You know with all the awesome action/adventure movies that have come out the last year or two, the first Spiderman was really just a cool story (believable) but I felt the Green Goblin character was kinda lame, especially the suit he wore. I think they could have done a better job with him.
Tobey Macguire plays a good Spiderman. He's not a weakness. I thought Flash Thompson was terrible, as was Bonesaw McGraw. Randy Savage is a geriatric old fart.
I like the look of Doc Ock, I liked how his look is more modern, not like the old green-suited and coke bottle glasses nerdy freak from the comics. Lizard... well until I see what he looks like, the jury's out. As long as he doesn't look overly CGI (some of the scenes in Hulk had this problem) he could be okay.
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how original.
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All I need from a Spidey sequel is a finale, because I want the soup to taste better this time.
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the lizard?!? waaah i'm the lizard. reptile from mortal kombat would kick his ass
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Lizard Schmizard....we need a new villian that is gonna be more fun to look at....like...NAKED WOMAN OF DEATH!!!! YEAH!!! OR "BOOBS McSAVAGE"!!!!! YEAHHHH!!! A NAKED HOT PHILLY WHO FLIES AROUND THE CITIES WITH HER MAMMOTH MAMMORIES AND SHOOTS LASERS OUT OF HER NIPPLES!!!!! AND SPIDEY TRIES EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER NOT TO SUCCUMB TO HER SEXUAL PROWESS, AND FAILS!!!! AND BOY DOES HE FAIL!!!!! "BOOBS" SUCKS HIS SILK DRY!!!!!! AND MAKES HERSELF A NICE SEE THROUGH DRESS!!!!! I'M TELLIN' YA - THIS STUFF IS GOLD! WHERE'S MY CHECK MARVEL? WHERE IS MY DAMN CHECK????....And thus, I want action figures too! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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Sep 07, 2003 7:52:47 AM CDT
Ooh, maybe Spiderman can be redeemed with this film... The Lizar
by silver_joo
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Hmmmm..I don't really like the idea of 2 villians. Batman did me in on that crap. Still..I hated how they portrayed Green Goblin in the first one.....and the action, in my opinion, was weak..so maybe with 2 villians they can at least get that part right.....I don't know. I'm not gonna hold my breath. I've been let down too much.
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this is kinda old news http://myblog.perculaclown.net/000130.html
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Sep 07, 2003 8:39:51 AM CDT
I don't think you could really class The Lizard as a villian
by dastickboy
I always got the impression he was just a wild beast on the rampage, much like the Hulk.
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Sep 07, 2003 8:45:07 AM CDT
As long as it doesn't look anything like that MEGO figure or Toy
by stonemonkey
Steve Johnson and his Edge FX, Co. have proven time and again that they are the up-n-coming bosses of makeup effects and animation. I would expect no less from a protege of the great Rick Baker.
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Perhaps he'll cross-dress and rub up Doc-Op the wrong way. Just a thought.
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Not that I'm a xenophobe or anything; but I find it hard to believe the French could scoop every other movie news outlet (internet included) for a story like this. Hell, the French don't even have the guts to protect freedom, how could they have the guts to print a story like this. But, let's think about this: some two-bit magazine that noone has ever heard of from France gets the banner story about "Spidey 2" having a second villian (yes, I know it was already reported that Dr. Curt Conners was going to appear) in the Lizard when Sony just happens to neglect that fact during it's big showcase presentation at the San Diego Comic Con (or any of the other cons since then) where the audience, already whipped into a frenzy by the film clip of Doc Ock's origin, would better appreciate it? Right. Yeah, that makes great marketing sense. There is only one way this could possibly be true and that is the whole transformation scene of Conners to the Lizard is just a preview for "Spidey 3". Perhaps Conners was a rival of Ock's and Ock injects Conners with the formula thinking it would kill him when it actually changes him after Ock leaves. If it ain't that, then this story has got to be false.
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Sounds like a dope idea but what's with superhero movies having more than one central antagonist in all their sequels? Kinda tired ain't it? I just hope they leave out the cheesy "Just your friendly neighbourhood Spiderman" out of this flick. They could do alot more with the action and sets could be made to look realistic (that whole attack with Mary Jane on the balcony in part one just looked soooooooo STUDIO!). Hope the next flick rocksssssssssssss!
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well if you've read the comics, you know that the lizard was once a doctor looking for a way to regrow his arm back. He injected himself with lizard dna because some lizards are able to reproduce limbs but it backfired, he did grow his arm back but also turned into a human lizard!! has the chance to be a very cool scene. I bet he ends up saving spidey from doc oct at the end of the movie and then disappears into the shadows.
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There is little to no doubt in my mind that Sony are saving these two villains for the third spider-man film and playing up the whole "3", for example, spider-man: 3 or some shit like that, and have the movie be three hours long. God that would suck, except the length bit, but I can see that other shit coming a mile off. Oh well, as long as the rock's not venom and vin diesel's not carnage and the story line, effects and action rocks, I'll be happy. That's not too much to ask is it? afterall, I'm the fuckwit dealing out the dough for the freakin' DVDs.
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I mean, we all know that spider-man villains aren't half as good as any batman villain, but why the f*&%&* pick the lizard, when you can get much more cooler powers like electro, juggernaut and Rhino?
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Maguire and Arad (for what it's worth) said that the script is significantly superior to that of the last film's, so the whole "twice the fun with less the mess" approach may not sting...yet. Still, Spider-Man has an impressives rogues gallery, most of them able to carry a movie on their own. Plunking two villains into the same storyline seems like a way of providing more enticing action without having to worry about that mumbo-jumbo about strong characters. Hey, perhaps they just wanted to kill two lab accidents with one stone before audiences got suspicious. Let's just hope that the third film isn't stacked with both Venom/Carnage and the Green Goblin.
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Incidentally, did anybody else here the rumors that MARVEL's 'Man-Thing' might be released straight-to-video? I hope it wasn't the underperformance of 'HULK' at the box office that informed that decision. If the movie is as good as whispers have foretold, I'd like to see it in theaters. Then again, whispers are just that. Avi, if you're reading and you wanted a response to the rumor, then you've got one: if it's truly good, it should get a wide release. Then again, the general public, who has no idea who the hell Man-Thing is, probably wouldn't warm to the idea of a cheaply-made urban legend movie. Oh, well. I have a feeling that they don't have designs on commercial success for this one, ocnsidering its ignominious start-up of production. Just finish this film and move on to 'Fin Fang Foom' already.
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Sep 07, 2003 10:31:56 AM CDT
Why would they get the guy who did the AWFUL transformation effe
by jimmy_009
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This is the guy who did those crap ass transformation effects on LXG? The Lizard is going to look like shit. Also, having two bad guys in one movie is usually a warning sign that the writing isnt that great. Usually someone who can write good can make one villian so overwhelming and likely to win, which is what works but if you put two villians in the same movie its because you cant fucking write. BUT...I loved the first spiderman and if anyone can pull this off good ol' Sam can. Also, the two villian thing in Batman Forever, while showing some borderline shitty writing was enjoyable because of the chemistry of Riddler and Twoface.
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Of course of Curt Connors is going to be there there'll be an eventual change to the Lizard somewhere along the line, even if it's right at the end to set up a third movie. It's as natural as having Harvey Dent in "Batman" but not having him be Two Face until "Batman Forever"...with a whole diffenent ethnic origin. So what exactly unhinged Harvey ? Was it the acid destroying half his face or waking up one morning no longer black (Billy Dee) but white (Tommy Lee).
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Sep 07, 2003 10:51:11 AM CDT
Dock Ock... good. Lizard... good. Both together in one movie...
by thewoodman
Apalling, unwatchable, intolerable "Batman"-style horseshit. Looks like I'll be avoiding this one like I blew off the first, with its asinine Mecha Goblin and high-tech Super Shiny Spidey Suit (you know, the one that any 16 year old kid living in Queens with his little old auntie could afford TO PUT TOGETHER IN HIS BEDROOM. Yeeesh). Maybe by Spider-Man 3 they'll get it right... but it's more likely they'll just pile on Mysterio, Rhino, the Vulture, Kraven & J. Jonah Jameson with a Spider-Slayer and work it into the storyline where Parker sprouts four extra arms. Ugh.
I've said it before and, unfortunately, I have to say it again... the "Golden Age of Comic-Book Movie Adaptations" sure didn't last long. "X3" and "Hellboy" seem to be the only things to look forward to in this genre. Once they've come and gone, it's just a tidal wave of crap that won't subside until the studios notice that such movies aren't making money anymore. When that happens, the most talented writers, directors, actors and special effects houses in the world won't be able to get a quality project green-lighted. Sad... but I guess that's life in a corporate dystopia. -
Someone actually got pissed at me for mentioning Uncle Ben died in the first one. A little like telling someone that the North wins the war during a Civil War movie, don't you think.
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I hate to burst anyone's bubble over the whole Venom theory, but as far as I know, New Line still holds onto the Venom and Carnage licenses. There was even a script written for Venom at one point, all completely sans Spidey! It was the whole lame-o "Suit from Space" storyline. New Line rejected the script because it made Venom too heroic, and not evil enough. With New Line scrambling to get the licenses to just about every character they can get their hands on, I don't see them just letting go of the Symbiotic Duo anytime soon. The only compromise I can see them making is if Raimi let them use Ash for this fanboy pipedream of Freddy vs Jason vs Ash, then they would relinquish Venom. But c'mon, what are the chances Raimi is going to give up his cash cow, let alone direct another Spidey flick after this?
So, keep your fingers crossed that we won't be seeing Rhino in the next film, and maybe we'll have James Gandolfini as Sandman.
...besides, to put Venom in the film, we would have to live through the Secret Wars fiasco all over. (although I will admit Secret Wars #8 was the first comic I ever bought..shhhh)
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Sep 07, 2003 11:14:36 AM CDT
You think two villains is bad, wait till they do the Sinister Si
by stormin
Personally, I have no beef with multiple villains in a flick as long as it is well-written. But youse guys are already forgetting that with the Lizard the flick now has at least THREE villains: Doc Ock, Lizard, and Cletus Cassidy (the serial killer who eventually becomes Carnage in the comics). However, I'm assuming that Cassidy will be the "opening action sequence" baddie so Spidy has someone to fight before Ock shows up.
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If you dislike what the "corporate dystopia" puts out, then make your own movies. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. I forgot. You probably don't have the MONEY. But god forbid that ANYONE, least of all a corporation (which isn't a person, but is run by people - strange, huh?), make money on something you dislike. Especially in a country with a free market economy. You sound like a socialist roach whose tastes can't be satisfied by anything but the most vulgar, disrespectful tripe that can be conjured up - everything the first Spiderman movie IS NOT.
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Not if you haven't read a Spiderman comic you feckless tit.
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Spiderman 2 is going to be just as bad as the first one. A CGI nightmare, a waste of space and a plain and simple shitty movie that people want to see because it's their comic book hero and they have nothing better to do than give people money to make a crappy quality movie like Spiderman was!
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Sep 07, 2003 1:41:45 PM CDT
I pray that Venom and Carnage never come to this franchise....
by supreme nothing
I don't like either one of those characters. To me they represent the beginning of the whole
"McFarlane rules / over-hyped / badly done cross-overs / flood the market with over-saturated chrome covers" sort of nonsense that made me quit reading comics.... And their stories, even if abridged will take too long to tell. Plus they'ed be all CGI with zero personaility. Those two creations were just an easy sell to 12 year-olds (and stillborn fanboys) who thought they "looked cool" -
Sep 07, 2003 1:47:53 PM CDT
Spidey villians too often were a bit second-string...
by supreme nothing
While Spiderman has a huge rouge's gallery (The Beetle, Sandman, Electro, Shocker, Hammerhead, etc....) a lot of his classic enemies are not quite up to earning a sole villian status in a movie. (I think Doc Ock was) ..........I'd enjoy a Sinister Six movie where a group of these second-stringers (all of whom, in the backstory, have been beaten by Spidey consistantly) get hired by Harry Osborn to take Spidey out. And then maybe by the fouth flick introduce The Hobgoblin.....
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What's with the Talkback order? Anyhoo, as spoilers go, this wasn't that bad. I hate it when key plotlines are given away, this is more of a pleasant surprise, so I'd like to think it's true. Doc Ock was already looking good, if they include a well-created Lizard, that'd be fan-freakin-tastic. Another moral dilemma for Spidey: One of his dearest friends, a really nice, family-guy, gets turned into the mammal-hating dark side of Dr. Curt Connors' personality. A lot more complicated than the average hero-villain dynamic. Ofcourse, right away the wiseasses crawl outta the woodwork. It's a bit of a pill to hear such negativity, I mean you know it all already, don't ya? How do you find the strength to carry on? Spider-Man has the best rogues gallery, y'heard? Only Batman comes close. I always liked 'em cuz they were so damn freaky lookin'- Venom, Lizard, Scorpion, Morbius- definately dark alley worst case scenarios. As long as they meet or exceed the standards they had for the first one, it should be outstanding. i can't believe folks are still shittin' themseves over "the multiple villain issue". Damn peoples! The Batman movies were an unfortunate casualty of tongue-in-cheek excess. X-men and X-2 had more than one villain, hell, Star Wars and the James Bond films are examples of movies that feature oodles of villains. Stop trying to sound like you're LeonardfuckingMaltin. Please.
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Last time I checked, they looked just like Phoebe Cates's. Talk about a gruesome twosome.
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Look I've got nothing against The Lizard, in fact I think the character is awesome. But this sounds like the Spidey franchise is going the same way as the Batman franchise did. Having two villains takes away the dramatic impact of each until you end up with a movie like Batman & Robin. The very least that will happen is the presence of one will overshadow the other and if anyone ends up doing the overshadowing it'll be Doc Ock.
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Sep 07, 2003 3:56:59 PM CDT
This news doesn't necessarily mean two villains for the entire m
by frankdrebin
The Liz might only appear in a pre-credit mini-adventure (like the Bond films) or in a teaser for SM3 at the end. But if there ARE two villains, does this mean that Spidey will have to save MJ six times? (He had to save her three times in SM1. Sheesh, Aunt May is more self-reliant.)
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Sep 07, 2003 4:15:09 PM CDT
Listen up, Fanboys dipshits: Stop comparing this to the Batman f
by buggery buddha
...because it's different. Here's how: The Batman franchise was run into the ground by directors who never read a comic book in their lives and who had open contempt for the characters and their audience. Raimi is not in that catagory. Plus, the Spider-Man books have a ton of second- and third-string villians which, while cool and all, couldn't possibly carry a movie by themselves. I'm thinking of the Scorpion, Shocker, Sandman, Rhino, Electro, etc. I'd love to see all those guys on the big screen at some point, and the only way that's going to happen is if they share screen time with one of the major bads. Yes, I know Akiva Goldsman hurt you. I know. He hurt me too. But Uncle Raimi is here and he'll make sure the bad man doesn't touch this franchise. I promise.
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... Batman Returns, the greatest comic book movie of all time? TWO Villains, in PERFECT Unison... Its all about the writing and atmosphere... fact it, i didn't buy the hunk of garabage that was the first Spider-Man and I doubt I'll buy Spider-Man 2: Cash Cow
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Sep 07, 2003 6:43:52 PM CDT
As far as Spiderman is concerned, I really would rather see just
by 007-11
It's just much more centered. Thanks for the spoiler warning, but i'm sure the trailer would have ruined it anyway.
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SPIDEY 2 would have to go some lengths to make up for SPIDEY 1. Doesn't matter how much money the first one made, it was only partly successful. The CGI stuff was horrible. Of course, the youthful viewer don't know any better. They have been growing up with this crap.
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Sep 07, 2003 6:50:32 PM CDT
FARK is hosting a photoshop contest - using the Doc Ock poster
by spinstopper
Over at Fark.com they've up up the Spiderman 2 Doc Ock poster - as a photoshop contest. Some pretty funny stuff.
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who rag on about how shit spider-man was and how it was a dissapointment, then claim to have not bothered to see it. Yeah right, I guess that film made all its $$$ from my grandmother seeing it 60 times. You guys are full of shit.
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Sep 07, 2003 7:04:21 PM CDT
I think they should make "Venom: The Movie" with Hulk Hogan as V
by mbaker
We are Venom, Brother!
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Sep 07, 2003 7:16:26 PM CDT
True enough, second tier Spidey villains are a dime a dozen
by terry_1978
Batman's nemeses are all top billed villians, ergo they weren't deserving of lesser screen time. I could picture Spider-Man 2 starting off with some voiceover of Spidey saying something along the lines of, "You ever have one of those days were you just knew you shoulda stayed in bed?", only more sarcastically. Then a quick cut of him getting smacked by Rhino or Electro while they go into some exposition as to why they're pissed at the wallcrawler. Some witty banter and f/x action sequences ensue, and once Parker bests these lesser foes, then we get our opening credits....
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You sir, are on crack.
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the riddler and two face were in batman FOREVER, which blows grandpa dongs. batman returns is essentially the best and only one really worth mentioning. the first batman is and probably will be better than anything in the spiderman franchise,though, unless they totally whip up a wicked Kraven storyline.
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You're thinking of Batman FOREVER fella. Batman RETURNS had Penguin and Catwoman. As for films with more than one antagonist, I thought X2 with Stryker and Magneto worked great, and as someone else pointed out, the Lizard isn't really a villain, just a dangerous and unpredictable alter ego of a good guy (a la Hulk).
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Look at the level of violence in movies like LOTR Two Towers and you see what kind of violence you can get away with in today's pg-13 movies.
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Thank you Buggery Buddha. Enough comparisons to the Batman pictures of the last century. Ya'all are just whining to hear yourselves now. I don't think there's any reason to think all creative parties involved are just going to get lax and let this franchise become a joke. If you need further evidence, please consider Raimi and Co. settled on the Goblin's look from the previous film only after they concluded a guy in a monster mask and Renaissance fair outfit on a high-tech glider apparatus would have looked a helluva lot sillier than what they ended up with. I really don't imagine they'll do any villain jams anytime soon. Actually, I really love what a few people here have proposed- Feature a major villain ( or two if the story warrants it!), and show a few of the lower tier bad guys during the course of the movie. It'll be fanboy-crack, and provide some opportunities to show off Spidey's skills and trademark sense of humor. And thanks to the toughguys who felt compelled to tell us they haven't seen Spider-Man, and won't see the sequel. There's a lot of fuckin' movies I won't be seeing in the theater, do ya wanna hear about 'em? Go waste space at another site, wankstas.
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This actually isn't a bad idea at all... much, much better than shoe-horning multiple villains into a story. Also, as other TalkBackers have pointed out, it would be a great way to give some of Spidey's (or any other character's) B-level opponents screen time they'd otherwise never get. The problem is, these movies have to be mass-marketed to the general public (trust me, the last group of people they're concerned with pleasing are the longtime fans of any property, whether it's a cheesy comic book or a classic novel). A kick-ass brawl with Rhino in the middle of downtown Manhattan... an amazing aerial battle with the Vulture all over the skyline... a wild showdown with Electro in a power plant... all of these and more would make great ten-minute openers to Spider-Man films but I doubt we'll see them. The stuffed-suit types would be too hung up on explaining origins, motivations, etc. to "middle America" (i.e., the fat housewives in shopping malls that they use for test audiences). Oh well. Maybe someday.
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Sep 07, 2003 9:36:22 PM CDT
Venom & Carnage WOULD be rated "R" --- For "Ridiculous CRAP"
by sherlock_holmes_
Venom and Carnage are the sucky remnants of Todd McFarlane's run on Spider-Man, which was the beginning of the worst time for the comic's history. McFarlane's a hack, and an opportunist. Venom is a stupid character, and carnage is just more of the same kind of stupid, taken to ridiculous levels. If I never see Venom or carnage (or Ben Reilly) again, I'll be happy. Keep Venom OUT of the movies! I'd much rather see Electro, Mysterio, The Vulture, Hydro Man, Morbius, The Scorpion, Kraven, Hobgoblin, Jack O'Lantern, Doc Ock, Green Goblin II, and the Lizard, among others. There's no place for Venom. Get rid of him!
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Sep 07, 2003 10:37:19 PM CDT
For all you clowns bitching about two villians in one movie...
by johnny ahab
Let's count how many villians were in X-MEN: let's see, Magneto, Mystique, Toad, Sabretooth. FOUR villians. Did anyone complain? Not that I recall. And in X-MEN 2 (I refuse to be a tool of the studio marketing assholes and call it X2): Stryker, Lady Deathstrike, Magneto, Mystique...and the switch of Pyro to the dark side. Four villians, technically five if you wanna split hairs. SO WHAT ARE YOU ALL BITCHING ABOUT WITH THE TWO VILLIAN THING??? I've heard ZERO complaints about too many villians in X-MEN 2. Because they were handled well. The Batman movies use of all these villians sucked because THE SCRIPTS sucked! Warners started putting the sequels together to see how many Hollywood A-listers they could cram into a film (Danny DeVito w/Michelle Pfeiffer; Jim Carrey w/Tommy Lee Jones; Ahnuld w/Uma Thurman), not by starting with a good script. Raimi is a fan; MICHAEL FREAKIN' CHABON is a screaming comics fan. I will WAIT before I pass judgment, and see what these talented gents can dish up before getting my panties in a twist. So RELAX, folks.
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I started the thread and I'll keep repeating it. For SPIDEY 3, Ben Kingsley is the Vulture!!! (If you haven't seen it yet, go rent SEXY BEAST, and see if you don't believe it.) And if they should ever make a movie with Morbius, it must be Kevin Bacon -- just picture him with his hair dyed black. But here's my request for the next Spidey films: MORE J.J.JAMESON!!! Simmons is just brilliant -- imagine him with something to do (like fund the Scorpion's birth, or the Spider-slayers), and let the guy sink his teeth into the role!
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...that the "Lizard" will be considered a main villain like Doc Ock. I can picture it being used as a setup for a 3rd. Or at worst, being a "side adventure," something else Peter has to deal with in his already over-complicated life. A Lizard/Doc Ock teamup would be pointless, and I think even the film makers are smart enough to realize it. *friendswithbenefits.com*
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there is no lizard transformation in Spidey 2, just Connors.
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Sep 08, 2003 12:31:20 AM CDT
Royal Tenenbaum: Would you please provide us with a list of othe
by buggery buddha
I understand it's quite an undertaking, but imagine how this evidence of your self-worth would impress your fellow man. By the way, I happen to notice you live in Austin. Hey, so do I. Let's get hang out sometime and not see movies together. Oh, and until we meet, please go right ahead and eat a bowl of fuck.
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He is to offbeat film-making what The Monkees were to the peace movement.
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Guyz i understand your hatred for the mcfarlane era of egocentricity ...but come on Venom was a good villan for spidey...in the begining. HE truely hated spidey. (yeah me too). imagine someone who meddled in your life or your macking game by exposing the truth..and blowing your chances at happiness or night of passion with a beautiful girl, when it wasnt really his business to interfere... Then take that anger and put it toward revenge....Revenge is the keyword... He made spideys life a living hell... as a costumed hero and a mild mannered citizen...
I say Venom would make a great character in a spidey film but , by himself....no other villans....
nothing like putting a hero through hell for revenge.....
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Sep 08, 2003 2:34:27 AM CDT
BUT what about Antonio Banderas as "Tarantula" with the oh-so-st
by darth phallus
HAHA! And why is no one mentioning SPidey's old nemesis "The Fly?" Seriously though, them Batman villains were great but they totally dropped the ball in not using The Scarecrow, one of the creepiest villains of all Gotham.
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AMS #6 is one of my favorite comics ever, but The Lizard is strictly a 60's type of character. Seeing a human type Lizard run around looks too much like the raptors in Jurassic Park. Venom is the dumbest character ever and I hope he never gets into a Spidey movie. Doc Ock will be fun....And the CGI in Spidey 1 was superb. Anyone who says it wasn't good enough will never be satisfied except in their dreams.
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Yes, this is the catch cry of all those who make CGI the boogy man of the comic book movie. Sure it hurt Star Wars but this is fucking Spider-man for God's sake! Wanna see a non-CGI Spidey filck? Go rent the farce that was the live-action Spider-man series. And as for X-men having 4 bad-guy's and working, hasn't it occured to anyone that it'd be pretty dumb seeing a team of heroes getting thier ass kicked by one villan? Keep single hero movies with ONE protagonist!!!
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I am totally down with the idea od Webhead taking on a classic villian at the beginning of the flick before the real story begins. Imagine the movie beginning with the Rhino busting straight through a city bus with Spidey swinging into frame behind him, giving chase. A tussle insues. Spidey snags the bank robbery loot back with a well placed web shot. You get to see the real level of Spider-man's strength but he would obviously beat the Rhino by outwitting him. Then let the true story begin. As for a Venom/Carnage film
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Sep 08, 2003 9:05:34 AM CDT
Great, but when will we see Spider-Man take on Shocker and Hydro
by big bad clone
Isn't that we all want to see?
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you could kind of have a tame venom...it wouldn't really be venom though...just have the beyonder giving spidey the black suit and go from there...remember how cool it was back in the late eighties when you found out that spider man was changing to a black suite? bad out!
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Why oh why does Sam Raimi refuse to use the greatest Spider-Man villain of all time??? We need Venom now!! If you were going to use Dock Ock why couldn't it have been Carolyn Trainer?? Oh, and here's a few other villains to consider. Doppleganger, Kaine, Carnage, Demogoblin, Professor Miles Warren, and thrown in some MC2 villains like Crazy 8 and Mr. Nobody!
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Secret Wars II the movie!!! Come on Avi Arad, Bill would be the perfect Beyonder for a Secret Wars II movie! Don't even worry about a Secret Wars movie, cut to the chase and bring in Bill.
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... the guys who did Mr. Hyde on the godamnawful League of Extraordinarily Bad Film Making being the same guys in charge of the Lizard. "Okay, start shaking your head real hard til we tell you to stop, then we'll add more lizard makeup, you'll shake your head & stop for even more lizard makeup a few times and when we edit it together it'll look kewl!"
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I have to disagree with the Venom haters out there - Venom/Brock was an interesting character because it hated both Peter parker AND Spider Man. And, he just happened to have all of Spidey's powers (enhanced) and more! What's not to like? You have to remember early Venom - remember that smile with his tongue lashing and his dripping fangs...he is pure, insanity, pure evil. The ultimate foil for the wall-crawler. Carnage, on the other hand, sucked. I admit, I collected "Maximum Carnage" like crazy, I even had the video game, but I'm a lot smarter now. I'm convinved that Carnage was little more than a tool to re-introduce Venom after he became trapped on an island. It was shortly after the first Carnage storyline that Venom got his first solo limited series (vs something like 6 "other" Venom-spawn). Carnage had his own "popularity" for a little while, because people thought he was the next big thing after Venom...but people were wrong. Amazing Spidey 361 was at about 70 bucks for a while, but then dropped to, oh, $5?? Carnage was a fad, and Marvel ruined Venom by making him a Punisher-style vigilante hero. Except that we already had a Punisher. Don't hate Venom - Hate 1993-4 Venom. Before that, he was a creature of hatred and revenge, with a twisted sense of morals. I have no idea what Venom and Carnage have been up to these days, but I'll bet it doesn't compare to Venom's early brilliance.
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...Spider-Man was a fun flick that you can enjoy and take the whole family to see. Kiss my ass, all you biyotes know you saw the first one. If you are going to shit on this, go talkback somewhere else.
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Carnage will never be in a Spider-Man movie. Use your heads people. Venom is definitely a possibility, but there's simply no way Carnage will make it into one. He's known even less than Venow is. Frankly, I defy anyone to present me with a scenario that would INTELLIGENTLY introduce Venom and the Alien Symbiote without mentioning the Secret Wars new costume major hitch....
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It can't be any worse than the piece of shit that was the 1st film.
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...I have no real answer. I've thought about it strictly for fun as a kind of storytelling problem-solving exercise, and have a few loose ideas. To introduce Venom, the movie universe needs to establish cosmological elements that it doesn't have - elements which had already been explored in the Marvel Comics universe well before Secret Wars 2. They'd have to establish as true that aliens and/or alternate realities exist in the movie universe. If they're gonna do it, they should establish that NOW, in Spidey 2, with some minor detail, or even a set-up for Venom in Spidey 3 (maybe JJJ's son will find and contain a strange black-jelly life form on a trip to outer space???). Then in Spidey 3 he'd find the alien early on, and it would decide to turn into a suit to augment his powers. However, it's maelvolent; it's influence is what leads him to investigate and subsequently piss off rival Eddie Brock by day, and go all vigilante ultra-violent by night. Then Eddie loses everything 1/3 of the way through, and Petey leaves the suit behind after he realizes what it's been doing to him. Brock and the suit meet, join, experience a collective losing of minds, and hilarity ensues. The other way is to have some earthbound scientist create the sentient symbiote, but that would be appallingly bad and I can't think of a way to make it not so. Frankly, I think Venom would be a great villain in a movie, but it would take a LOT of storytelling to get it right. Then again, X-Men is going to tell the Dark Phoenix story (All Signs Point to Yes), and that involves a similar establishing of cosmology not currently discussed in the movie universe. (Cosmic beings, anyone?). Make Mine Mayhem!
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I don't think the Spidey series should be allowed to present us with another freaking lab accident, never mind one that creates a symbiotic lifeform that can enhance your powers. Plus, the universe they've established probably wouldn't hold up too well if such a mysterious creature lurked in the depths of NYC OR if they introduced alien life. That might be what John Jameson is for, but I really think his story would work better if it was established in a different world.
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Venom really SHOULD have his own movie if he's gonna be in a movie at all.
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Already had Freddy take on Jason, so it ain't so farfetched. As long as Hulk decide not to bore big black spidey knock-off to death with tales of Hulk's childhood, it'll be all good in da hood...to coin a phrase.
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I'm sorry but Venom is a dreadful fucking character, almost as pointless as a dead-line character like The Lizard.
I've created the phrase dead-line character to describe lame ass comic book characters that I feel were the result of a editorial dead-line crunch.
1st Marvel writer: "Uhhh...Uhhhh...We need a guy who turns into something, like The Hulk, but like...fucking creepy like...uhh...a werewolf!
No not a werewolf!, a stork...that's it!!!, The Stork!!!, the fucking Stork!!!
2nd Marvel writer: "Dude your fucking high, lay of the Maui Wowie!". 2nd: "Check it out man, if you pull the tail off a gecko it'll grow back, lets just do a story about a unic that uses a chemical to grow a massive scaly chubby & boulders and let's call the fucker "The Lizard", dumb ass kids will eat it up!
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ok i think it a good ideah to put both bad guys in the movie as long as thay put one at the end.lets just say the guy will be playing with something highly dangeres and he starts to change. just dont have a fight start between spider-man and the lizzerd and than end it
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McFaralane only created the visual. Writer David Michelinie developed the character. Look, I'm not a Venom fan, but even I recognize what a vital character he is. Venom fills that conceptual hole in the Spider-mythos that apparently no one noticed before. Every hero who's worth a damn eventually encounters a nemesis, the embodiment of his own dark potential. Carnage, on the other hand, is a pretty pointless figure. A flashy concoction formed soley to satisfy the then-rabid audiences hungry for more and more "extreme" thrills. If they're gonna use Venom, they need to introduce Eddie Brock in this upcoming sequel. As much as I love Marvel, I loathed Secret Wars, and strongly believe the screenwriters should go with, maybe, the Ultimate version of Venom's origin. Alien symbiotes just seem too far out for the world established in the first film. And to me, it's quite compelling if we got this guy with spider powers fighting for his life against a couple of revenge-crazed antagonists. So don't dismiss the idea out of hand, if anything, it adds to the character's potency. Also, I love the idea of Bond-style opening scenes and hope this concept becomes an established reality.
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