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Tom DeSanto gets to yapping about more than meets the eye... aka TRANSFORMERS!

Hey folks, Harry here with some quotes from an interview that Tom DeSanto did for DREAMWATCH magazine (Pick It Up Now), and the man is a yapping about TRANSFORMERS which he's helping to adapt as Producer (alongside Don Murphy) into a badass Autobot / Decepticon film. In the piece he talks about going for that 1980's film homage feel... I believe the images he's thinking of are things like the look on Elliot's face as they take-off on the bicycles... or the look on Christian Bale's face as the Cadillacs of the Sky tip their wings in EMPIRE OF THE SUN... These were not "annoying kids," but young people... Kids that were profoundly affected by what they were witnessing and through filmic empathy were passing on the awe of those moments to us out in the audience... involving us through them. I'm VERY confident that Tom DeSanto will be blowing our minds with TRANSFORMERS... Here ya go...

Hey Harry,

Just picked up the new issue of Dreamwatch which has an interview with Tom DeSanto talking about his plans for Transformers and claiming he's going to do for it what he did for X-Men.

Among other stuff he says?

"There's no better mythology to bring to the big screen than Transformers. Transformers has got great characters and created an iconic world, and the mythology still resonates with people 20 years after it was launched. Even though they're robots the characters have a lot of personality and a lot of heart and people still care about them. That's a great thing."

"The plan with the movie is that it will combine live action with CGI. I think it's going to be something the audience has never seen before. In all the years of movie-making, I don't think the image of a truck transforming into a 20-foot tall robot has ever been captured on screen. I also want to make a film that's a homage to 1980s movies and gets back to the sense of wonder that Hollywood has lost over the years. It will have those Spielberg-ian moments where you have the push-in on the wide-eyed kid and you feel like you're 10 years old even if you're 35. That's the energy I want to go for."

"Just like with X-Men I want to get to the core of what makes Transformers great. We're going to get back to the heart of what Transformers is and distill that into a movie."

DeSanto says that the film will be based on Generation One and set on Earth and that he's been rewatching all the cartoons and reading all the comics.

Going by his contribution to X-Men I reckon that DeSanto could be the guy to pull this off as he really seems to understand that cartoon and comic fans want films that are faithful to their source. Still, the talk of making it very 1980s is a bit worrying - I just hope there's NOT an annoying cute kid getting in the way of some hardcore metal-mashing action.

Optimum Grime

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  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:16 a.m. CST

    transforming.....

    by bedhead

    into the first post. fuckface!

  • That made me laugh. I want to enjoy this for auld lang syne, but it does sound awfully silly.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:17 a.m. CST

    at the core of what makes it great

    by bedhead

    "Just like with X-Men I want to get to the core of what makes Transformers great. We're going to get back to the heart of what Transformers is and distill that into a movie." What made it great, was the fact that it was a cartoon. dick.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:19 a.m. CST

    YOU GOT THE TOUCH!

    by kingGirlfriend

    You got the POWWWWWERRRR! Yeah!!

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Next stop:Jayce & The Wheeled Warriors

    by Silvio Dante

    I shudder to speculate which "artist" will interperate the theme song for the nu century.

  • "My power is your doom, brother."

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:28 a.m. CST

    As cynical as some of you may appear, you know you want that whi

    by Terry_1978

    You can't lie, if you saw a tractor trailer transform seamlessly into a robot purely capable of independent thought and leadership, you'd fall smack dab on your booty. True enough it has been a long time coming, and the mere sight of seeing Optimus Prime and Megatron realized is enough to warrant this thing a sure fire hit for most people. As far as the character design, there is NO way they can mess it up...they don't need to be updated for today's culture or anything as they have always been ahead of their time. Just maintain most of the original voice actors for the Cybertronians, and get some semi-popular B movie actors to play the humans caught in the midst of their war.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:28 a.m. CST

    I'm telling you, they're gonna get David Schwimmer to be the voi

    by Andy Travis

    And Nathan Lane as Bumblebee. Lemme go grab some spare bullets...

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Transform into...

    by HumanDog

    Capt. Dale, only on www.human-dog.com

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:31 a.m. CST

    WHEN ALL HELL'S BREAKIN' LOOSE

    by Squashua

    YOU'LL BE RIGHT AT THE EYE OF THE STORM! YOU GOT THE TOUCH! Greatest song Dirk Diggler ever sang. :) As a TF fan, I could NOT stop laughing when I saw Boogie Nights.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Ooooooooooooooooooooo

    by nervous twitch

    I said," What do we get for $10? ", and she said "Everything you want.". And i said," everything? " and she said, " everything!". That was a pretty good day.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:38 a.m. CST

    If Frank Welker isn't cast it will be a CRIME.

    by Horseflesh

    I mean come on, he's Frank Fucking Welker, his voice carried most of the old show. Recognize.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Stephen Hawking as Soundwave!

    by Hobbitastic

    Please oh please oh please!

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Let me be the first to say, "The CGI in this thing SUCKS!"

    by K0NY

    "When the handgun transforms into a 20ft robot, it looks totally fake! Then, the boombox spits out tapes that turn into life sized panthers and condors. How the hell does THAT happen? Oh, and could someone explain to me how a full sized VW beetle can transoform into a humanoid robot that's the size of a regular person?? Where does all the extra metal go? Why weren't Peter Jackson's FX team consulted on these CGI shots?" --COME ON, YOU KNOW THESE BOARDS ARE GOING TO BE FULL OF CRAP LIKE THAT EVEN BEFORE THE FILM COMES OUT!

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Megatron is a fag

    by John_Milner

    I hope this movie kicks much ass! Bout time they brought the Transformers to the big screen again. My only hope is that the Autobots aren't lamers and that Prime kicks the shit out of the gay ass Megatron, Ohhhh he transforms into a gun, pick his stupid ass up in gun form and throw him off a fucking cliff. Him and Starscream were gay robot donut punchers and used to throw axle grease at eachother then wrestle and make robot love. And if you aren't a child of the 80's, but instead a product of the Fast and the Furious rice rocket era, then fuck off and go put another spoiler on your 4 cylinder civic cause the BOTS ARE GONNA STEP ON YOUR ASS!!! Prime for Prez'.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 10:24 a.m. CST

    I bought a Starscream re-release figure last weekend.

    by rev_skarekroe

    It's more than meets the eye. Say, isn't Don Murphy that guy who used to post here until he realized what an incredible asshole he sounded like and had Harry delete all his posts? sk

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Toyfare Magazine Article

    by TheJake

    A nearly identical article was published in Toyfare Magazine a month or so ago.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Transformers a mythology?

    by alabamaboy

    Come in--it was a children's cartoon show. I loved Transformers, but let's get real. We arent talking about Zeus and Apollo. It was an extended commercial designed to sell toys. And its unlikely they will use the original voice cast(though they should). They will want to ensure the vast majority of people who never heard of Frank Welker or Peter Cullen or Greg Berger will be interested in it--so they will get people like Heath Ledger, Tommy Lee Jones, Moby etc.

  • No they didn't! There absolutely has not been a cartoon before or since that had characters with less personality and heart. And I am including Biker Mice From Mars, starring Ian "90210 Steve" Ziering. Starscream had a cool voice though, I'll give 'em that...

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Man, one night several years ago, a buddy and I double-teamed th

    by smoothbrother

    ...we got to do a wobblely H and everything. Man, those George Mason girls are great. Reading about the bots who are more than meets to eye triggered that very endearing memory. Man, great times! I can just remember...Autobots...let's roll out! And thus, I'm waiting for this! Smooth...out!

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I hear ya, Smooth Brother...

    by Pleb

    ...a daytime sci-fi cartoon for kids, and gangbangs with jailbait - one just cannot separate the two.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 11:45 a.m. CST

    oh great... just what the world needs

    by metaluna

    Oh good. Just what we need. ANOTHER fucking lame franchise/excuse to sell merchandise to a new generation of kids. It'll be as good as X men? Oh really, that good huh? I am impressed. X men was okay, x men 2 was a bore

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Will this mark the return of Murf?

    by earthworm_

    Defender of lame sci-fi to the great unwashed. Anyway Rev, is that true about him getting his posts deleted? Pretty funny if it is.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Wasn't this Cgi Transformers stuff already....

    by JUSTICE41

    ....Done in the stupid Power Rangers movie? I seem to remember the Silvery Robot Scorpion mnster being all CGI. Nostalgia is going to ruin even more studios.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Remeber when Godzilla was coming out?

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    And all the trailers made it look ungodly cool, and we all waited with bated breath to see what modern movie technology could do with the nearly limitless appeal of seeing cities smashed to pieces by mutated lizards? Yeah, think of that. The only genius in these productions is how they can manage to get kids to buy not just one lunchbox - but all five in the limited edition movei series of lunchboxes. I mean, kids only can use one lunchbox, right? RIGHT? Do kids even use lunchboxes anymore? That's the big problem with war - the people that should be killed, never seem to be near the line of fire.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 12:25 p.m. CST

    I hope it's as violent as the original movie

    by magic_ninja

    Nothing beats seeing your favorite Autobots viciously slaughtered in the first ten minutes of the movie.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 1:45 p.m. CST

    This movie could be great and a potential franchise

    by Hopewell

    This movie will probably have a similar theme as Xmen. We'll have sentient robots who are hated and feared by mankind trying to make a new home on Earth while protecting it from the Decepticons who only want to rob the planet of its natural resources. That about sums up the story. What will make it great is if the movie explores what is life and whether these robots have souls and can be considered "living". This is where the mythology comes in and for the Transformers that centers around the matrix. If this is addressed in the movie, it will be more than giant robots breaking things. It will explore the same themes that A.I. did. For this to happen there will have to be human characters (probably Spike and Sparkplug) who differ on whether they think these Transformers are "living" and some event that displays the robots "humanity" like an autobot sacrificing itself for some humans or Sparkplug having to repair an autobot who's dying. (which he did for Prime in the first episode of the cartoon right?) So if there's a deeper theme to explore along with some genuine character scenes with the robots (Prime's love for freedom, Jazz's love for earth culture etc) then this movie could be something great. I would also like to seem them adapt the animated "Transformers the movie" into a possible second or third live action film. That'd be awesome considering I'm a huge Hot Rod fan.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Next toy-based movie.

    by mtoast

    Facing the certain apocalypse of his planet, a scientist (who -- like all his brethren -- has springs for legs) places his infant son in a cube-shaped spacecraft and rockets him into space. Years later, the tiny box lands in a Texas cornfield (yes, I know Texas cornfields are uncommon!) and is discovered by loving elderly couple. (Yes, I know that loving Texans are uncommon.) They raise the lad as their own -- DESPITE the fact that he can never sever the connection to the life support system in his "box." As a teen, he feels isolation and must weather the taunts from his unaccepting peers. "Hey Boxy!" "Hey Spring-thing, why don't you go pull your handle?" "Go to the dance with you? But you're a box-bottomed freak! And, also, I'm not gay!" But when trouble rears its malformed head, he springs into action -- Just as soon as he finds someone to turn his crank for him. He is BoxxJakk! And when the weasel goes POP, Evil goes flop! (sorry, it was a long weekend)

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Remember when Godzilla was coming out?

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    And all the trailers made it look ungodly cool, and we all waited with bated breath to see what modern movie technology could do with the nearly limitless appeal of seeing cities smashed to pieces by mutated lizards? Yeah, think of that. The only genius in these productions is how they can manage to get kids to buy not just one lunchbox - but all five in the limited edition movie series of lunchboxes. I mean, kids only can use one lunchbox, right? RIGHT? Do kids even use lunchboxes anymore? That's the big problem with war - the people that should be killed, never seem to be near the line of fire.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 3:22 p.m. CST

    RETURNER

    by Harry Weinstein

    This live-action Japanese film featured a jumbo jet that transformed. Good stuff. A live action Transformers film could be worthwhile, if done correctly. God, it couldn't be any worse than the ROBOTS IN DISGUISE series was. That's just not even possible.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Must use Peter Cullen!

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    There is no other. I will not accept it.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 4:20 p.m. CST

    can't look any worse than "beast machines"

    by oat soda

    A rat with motorcycle legs. honestly.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 4:20 p.m. CST

    I don't know why this is bugging me . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . but what the hell did you call those stupid glowing cubes that the TFs needed for power/energy/what not? And why would TFs of all subjects lead to talk of sex with kids & kids getting killed? Weird man.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Still no coverage of John Woo and Tsui Hark both looking into ma

    by Declan_Swartz

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Nice Marmot

    by magic_ninja

    They were called Energon Cubes.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Nice Marmot:It was called Energon

    by Antiriad

    So long as they get Peter Cullen and Frank Welker all will be well! Involving Shockwave, the Space Bridge and Cybertron would be best saved for the second movie. The Unicron story would make a great third film to end a potential trilogy methinks.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 5:20 p.m. CST

    GAY

    by Shug Avery

    "It will have those Spielberg-ian moments where you have the push-in on the wide-eyed kid and you feel like you're 10 years old even if you're 35." Sounds like it's being produced by Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Oh golly gee.

    by radio1_mike

    I got both sides of the of pendulum on this thing. At first I was thinking could be good be bad. Now I just think it just be bad (i.e. tepid) or screaming-pluck-out your eyebrows bad. I think if they make it CGI, they go the Pixar-way, make it a cartoon-but all CGI, but keep it faithful to Gen One. How are they gonna do the transforming cities??

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 6:57 p.m. CST

    HUGE budget, big flop

    by biglawdog1

    Anybody else thinks this sounds like a terrible idea ?? The budget on something like this would be absurd. And am I the only one that thought the entire transformers concept was simply a marketing gimmick to sell more toys ? The cartoon was pretty cheesy, even when I was a kid and the Transformers are not exactly spoken about in hushed reverent tones like long running and well remembered comic book series. I firmly believe the wide appeal of the X-men was that that it spanned several generations of fans - the Transformers *may* be fondly remembered by children of the 80's and thats about it. Future generations got "Transformers Armada" which I caught on CN and was apalled by how bad the show was. In short, big and potentially very costly mistake.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:02 p.m. CST

    I'm surprised

    by corvette63

    by the lack of enthusiasm...Man when did we get so cynical...anyway I think it could be done well if it carries the spirit of the first movie and a few of the better eps from the second series. Come on the Dinobots will kick ass!

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:13 p.m. CST

    ??????????????????

    by sabian12345

    Transformers has always been a property that can work even as a live action movie. If done right. I would only pray that the movie gods above have this guy thats doing it play close attention to the marvel properties and current Tranformer comics minus armada and all the other crap! Next i would say a very important thing would be voices. I"d say stick to original cartoon voices from the 80's. Reason being people and fans grew up with these characters. For example :Live action scooby doo. What would scooby sound like with a diferent voice or bugs bunny. It cheats the fans. I could go on and on. Armada and all other transformer properties have failed because the formula just kept on changing. There was never anything wrong with the original 80s cartoon. It just got messed up like everything else that gets somebody that doesnt really care about the history of the characters being bestowed upon them.Not to mention they think there audience is stupid and keep on screwing with things. I really think this movie can kick ass but I cant imagine anyone else saying roll out but the original voice character of optimus prime. On the human side spike and spark plug. A whole lot of story between these two characters and there metalical visitors. Lot of history and damn good stories to build on just as long as they dont screw it up. So far so good from what i hear but then again anybody can make a movie but making one tha kicks ass! Well Peter Jackson and Bryan singer are about the only ones out there that I've seen with any real balls!

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Is it just me...

    by El_Barstardo

    Or are all of these transformer bashers the same people who wet themselves over a bat-man or superman movie. This could be cool, this could be shit, but really the concept is no more 'odd' or 'stupid' then X-men, hellboy or any other comic book property. So stop being such comic book elitist assholes. And when the hell are we getting a LOTR style Masters of the Universe film?

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Opt Grime refering to X-Men I as a "good" movie. Opt Grime refe

    by Real Jack Burton

    You listen here on a dark and stormy night.......It turns my stomach. It makes my skin crawl, and I'm not talking about a movie. What I'm talking about is when someone refers to X-Men I as a "good" movie like in this article. That movie SUCKED. Sucked like Spawn! Sucked like those Superman movies! It should be movie geek law that the film (term loosely used) X-Men I be used only as to how absoloutley crappy a movie can be. That movie needed a viagra, bovine dosage! The 2nd is much better but still only a base hit at best. Wanna see some Super Hero sized smack down try, The Thing (Carpenter), The Matrix, LOTR, LXGMN, T3, it's a short list. Where are my people? This is the Real Jack Burton here.

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Oh ye of little faith!!!

    by Stusu

    How many people here actually read the Dreamwave Productions comic book? I'm talking the Generation 1 comic, not Armada. Pretty bitchin' work if you ask me. Does it slightly reinvent the mythos of the transformers? Yes, but hell, it does a good job of it. Rather than reinventing the Energon Cube, Ironhide is still a roughneck, take no crap soldier, Megatron is still evil incarnate, as Starscream is backstabbing coward incarnate, and Devastator is still as rageful as ever. While they don't acknowledge Hot Rod as having become Rodimus Prime, his character is still the hot tempered cavalier that he was in the original series, as Kup is still the somewhat krochety veteran with too many stories for his own good, the character's are still who they were. It's just that what happens to them has changed. If you take this ideal, that the characters are who they are, and put them in a somewhat familiar/somewhat different situation, you'll have a movie that'll do just fine. If you want to give creedence to a transformer having a 'spark', go for it. If you want to keep them more robot than that, as they were in the original comics, go for it. Either will work well if the writers stick to their guns and not waffle from spark'd to sparkless. As for the quality of the CG, did anyone else here see the transforming 2k VW Bug that was up on TheMichaelSmith.com ? This was maybe 3 or 4 guys working together, taking a CGI VW bug and making it transform against a live background! Aside from the fact that it had Jazz's head and the VW's were Cliffjumper and Bumblebee, I find few flaws in its quality. Is it LOTR quality perfect? Hell no. But is it pretty damn good for a small group of people who just happened to want to do something? Hell yeah! Too bad he's not working on the movie...

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 10:55 p.m. CST

    "That'd be awesome considering I'm a huge Hot Rod fan."

    by BuggerOff

    WTF?

  • Sept. 3, 2003, 1:28 a.m. CST

    needs to be low budget

    by Ikaruga

    the transforming VW Beetle CGI video was indeed amazing when i saw it about a couple years ago, and my first thoughts were: need full length live-action movie with that. Lo and behold, here it comes! I think for this movie to be a success, it needs to be pretty low-budget. Nothing above 50-60 million, that's for sure. There's no friggin way this idea is going to sell well for the mass market. Spider-man, X-men, and Blade (that's Marvel too, ain't it?) all do well because they're extremely human. X-men 2 did way better than X-men 1 because it lost all the goofy mutants (Toad, Sabertooth) and just boosted the human factor even more. So what you're left with is a movie about tolerating mutants despite their being freaks, meanwhile you only agree with them because they're not TOO freakish. Kinda like Star Trek's tolerance for diversity bit, while constantly showing "evil looking aliens" as... well..... EVIL. Ahem, back to the topic. Transformers is about big friggin robots who talk. The standard issue car chase scene could be really cool, as TF can introduce an interesting angle to that. And don't forget the Aerialbots and the Decepticon Jets. More fun action fodder here. But still, they're ROBOTS who talk!! The studio needs to take this movie seriously, and aim it at an adult crowd, but entirely expect it to only succeed with the young. Just like the original animated film, it was full of standard issue Marvel witty dialogue that you'd usually see in an adult movie, but kids still loved it, and loved the fact that it didn't talk down to them. Considering Finding Nemo's success, and the huge success of Marvel films with kids of all ages, pulling in huge sums of money is still quite possible with just the youth crowd...

  • Sept. 3, 2003, 3:19 a.m. CST

    A scene I've always envisioned...

    by Dlhstar

    Two Decepticons land in rush hour traffic trying to spot the Autobots. Suddenly Decepticon #1 says, "LOOK THERE!!!"-pointing at a school bus and blowing the hell out of it. Decepticon #2 says, "Which Autobot turns into a bus?" Decepticon #1 says, "None that I know of. I've just been wanting to blow up a bus..."

  • Sept. 3, 2003, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Exactly. A ROBOTECH movie would be WAY better.

    by observer(jb)

    Good point. Transformers might be good for the kids or for nostalgia, but I've been wanting to see a live-action ROBOTECH movie for years. And not a movie based on the original series. What happened out in space after the 1st war would make great material. I'd like to see a series of ROBOTECH movies based on the 5 THE SENTINELS novels and the final THE END OF THE CIRCLE novel. If they could stay true to the novels, this would be an epic saga like never before seen on the big screen.

  • Sept. 3, 2003, 1:32 p.m. CST

    1 wouldn't be enough.

    by observer(jb)

    Of course, one Robotech movie wouldn't be nearly enough to tell the story. It would have to be a franchise. I agree that Macross was the best of the 3 chapters, but I'm not talking about a Macross movie. That story's been told already. I'm talking about the new material which occured after the 1st Robotech war (Macross) when Rick Hunter & the R.E.F went out into space to find the homeworld of the Robotech Masters. This was Robotech: The Sentinels and was a series of 5 novels as well as a comic book. It ended with Hunter and the rest ending up lost in space while trying to get back to Earth. The final novel in the saga was THE END OF THE CIRCLE and dealt with the efforts to rescue them. The original series was good, but it's amazing to see how far they took the story. You're right. It would definitely take a huge budget to make this work. It might be possible.

  • Sept. 3, 2003, 3:59 p.m. CST

    leave ROBOTS IN DISGUISE alone

    by slkboxrman

    there was an earlier post about that this new movie cant be half as bad as RID...for one thing RID was by far the best transformers series since generation 1. dont even try to say armada is better. armada is ultimate crap, i cant believe they took RID off the air to put that on. the animation sucks and the human characters lame...pokemon lame. and whats up with the mini cons ? the whole plot stinks...and really unicron is dead, he should have been left dead. and if the new optimus prime is supposed to make my heartstrings pull with memories of gen 1, well its not. hopefully this live action movie will breath new life into a franchise that needs something to keep people watching. when they took RID off the air i stopped watching...cant wait for the movie

  • Sept. 3, 2003, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Transformers

    by TechnoMage30

    I am excited that DeSanto has chosen to go back to the first generation of Transformers for his live-action adaptation of the characters. I have been a total fan ever since I first watched the Autobots crash land on Earth as a kid. Why, yes I still have the toys, why do you ask? I find the concept of a live-action Transformers movie intriguing. My biggest fear is that the CGI used to capture the Transformer characters will look hokey or cheesy. That would be really sad, because DeSanto's work on X-men showed his skill at adapting a comic book story and characters to the big screen. And if Transformers is as good as X-Men, then it's gonna be a helluva ride. TechnoMage

  • Sept. 4, 2003, 12:40 a.m. CST

    M.A.S.K.

    by Buddy Christ

    -nt-

  • Sept. 4, 2003, 8:40 a.m. CST

    JACK BURTOn

    by Larry Jay

    Is wrong. X marks the spot. Deal with it ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!

  • Sept. 4, 2003, 8:43 a.m. CST

    By the way

    by Larry Jay

    How DARE you insult the first 2 Superman movies? And while we're wishing here I wish for a decent GUYVER-Bio Booster Armor flick. (Although Guyver 2-Dark Hero Starring X-Men scribe David Hayter wasn't bad for a "B" movie") ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!

  • Sept. 4, 2003, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Doom sayers, fools and idiots

    by granny

    Two thing: Firstly, you don't need to swear every other word to get a point across Secondly, would it be so hard to give the live action Transformers film the benefit of the doubt at least until they start making it proper? I mean I doubt they've even cast the bloody thing yet and most of you are saying how crap it's going to be. That, people, is sad. It may be rubbish, or it may be one of the best films ever made. But I, for one, will wait until they have made the film before I decide whether or not it is good. Only a pathetic fool with nothing else to do with their so-called lives would do otherwise.

  • Sept. 5, 2003, 1:07 a.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by lickme

    You can all LICK ME cause TRANSFORMERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TRANSFORMERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TRANSFORMERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TRANSFORMERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TRANSFORMERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TRANSFORMERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TRANSFORMERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • painted the appropriate colors of course...

  • Sept. 5, 2003, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Thats Mr. LickMe!

    by lickme

  • Sept. 5, 2003, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Dude, slkboxrman, what are you ON??

    by Stusu

    How could you think that RID was better than Beast Wars? NOTE: I'm not including Beast Machines in this, that's a cybertronian of a different spark. I've seen episodes of alot of the different Transformers incarnations, and I've come to the realization that only Gen1 and Beast Wars are worth it. All the other ones, unless I'm mistaken with regards to Armada, are of Japanese origin and don't do Transformers justice. I thought that perhaps Headmasters would continue the Gen1 storyline, but instead it takes it back a few steps and reintroduces the Headmasters, reinvents some of the characters (Billie instead of Blaster, what the crap?), uses TERRIBLE voice replacements for characters that can't be screwed up like Grimlock (how you ignore Grimlock's speech impediment, me stusu not know.) Masterforce was even worse, because it focused on kids that kinda became transformers by being their headmasters and others that became Powermasters, including the idea that Optimus Prime was somehow born as a human (And who would name their kid Optimus, other than the USArmy dude in Ohio that changed his name to Op) and I'm not even going to get into whatever that last series was supposed to be... RID followed a similar but somewhat original evil formula: Slight mixing and matching of good and bad guys with Autobots, Deceptacons, and Predacons, add in the annoying human kid and the idea that kids can control the most powerful of all transformers, mix names with different vehicles, throw in repainted/renamed bots galore (Skybyte was actually a maximal from Beast Wars that never made it on the show), and then put in combiners galore (Remember when Devastator was special because he was the ONLY combiner?). Armada does similar with the 3 kids that seem oh-so-important to the Autobot cause. Please, Sparkplug and Spike were pretty important to the Gen1 autobots, but the show focused much more on transformers themselves. Beast Wars worked because it dipped hints and eventually dove into the whole mythos of Gen1, like what happened while the Autobots and Deceptacons were in stasis lock. Granted, it took a little license with introducing the idea of a spark, but that made the Transformers more alive, that they were finite beings that could die (as they did in the movie... poor Ironhide!) Beast Machines was halfway decent only because of Fox. Fox limited what they could do and helped hurry the show along. They could have easily done another season of Beast Wars and then gone into Beast Machines with a better basis, and actually use GUNS (unlike Fox would let on air).

  • Sept. 9, 2003, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Macross Live Action

    by Radd

    There already has been a Macross movie, it was called 'Do You Remember Love?' and it's not only the best thing to come out of Macross (Yes, better than Macross Plus), but one of the best animated films to come out of Japan. A Robotech:Macross Saga film is right out since the current legal battle is showing more and more that Harmony Gold only ever had the rights to the original SDF Macross tv series and no rights to any of the derivatives, and no rights to make any derivatives based on Macross. Here's a post I made in another forum about why I think live action versions of cartoons/comics/etcetera just don't work: "There's a reason why live action versions of CG or drawn characters just doesn't work. Most people realize that there is a reason, but never touch on what exactly it is. Think about your favourite anime. What makes this anime what it is for you? Is it the story? If it is the story, what about the story? Most anime, even fairly realistic anime, have a lot of concepts that just cannot be pulled off in live action, no matter the amount of CG you put into it. How about the characters? Their personalities, their style of dress, their speech patterns even. Lots of this would be lost should the role be handed over to an actor. Copied to an extent, but much filled in with the actor's own personality. How about the art itself? The details? The style? The quirks that make up the artist's overall work? None of this can be brought into live action at all. This is all completely lost in the translation to live action. Everything from the clothes the characters wear, the exaggerated expressions they make, those awesome moves you so adore, the particular shading or colouring style, the way the characters interact with their environments, everything right down to the most basic 'feel' given off by the artwork. Lost. Part of the reason dubbed anime almost always fails, the voices. You get accustomed to them. They grow on you. The Japanese still value voice acting as an art form, and they cultivate that. The actors know how to put feeling and nuance into their voices in a way that even most live action actors can't do when trying to fill an animated role. Sure, whatever actors fill the live action counterparts of these roles will bring their own quirks and subtleties to the table (and their own voices, of course), but it's not the same person, it's not the same actor, it's not the same characters. End of story. Sure, some live action movies and tv series succeed, but often for different reasons than their drawn counterparts. Live action movies of old comic books, or old cartoons, they'll often find new audiences that welcome them with open arms...but at the same time they often irritate those who loved the originals, because of inconsistances, or what they might see as outright blasphemy against the original work. Take the movie Hulk's origin as compared to the original. A completely different message is sent to the viewer. How about the 'Sandman' movie in the works, that Sandman creator Neil Gaiman doesn't even want his name attached to because it so deviates from the themes and stories he gave us? This brings me to another point. Live action and animation and even comic books, none of these are any more of an art form than the others when taken as a medium, but in the case of a live action version of an anime, or a comic, money is often the sole motivating factor. As such, it's true that most 'live action versions' of anime and comics we hold dear are quite truthfully less 'art' and more 'commercial'. Changes will be made that a comittee of men in suits that were never fans of the anime they have been entrusted to turn into a summer blockbuster. Changes they feel appeal to certain demographics. Changes they feel can be taken advantage of for merchandising purposes. All of these reasons taken together should paint a fairly accurate picture of why most 'live action versions' fail in the eyes of the fans, and often the public in general." On the point of live action movies being "more commercion", I figure I should clarify. Of course the original animated shows or comic books are out there to make money. The artists behind them need to eat, and the distributers marketing them want to fill their pockets as well. What I'm specifically talking about is the idea that most live action versions of an animated show that was already popular at some point are made solely to cash in on the popularity of what they're based on. The very same can be said for cartoons based on a movie property, so it works both ways. The same could be said for movies based on books (ah-la the craptastic Starship Troopers movie), or books based on movies (the ever-popular 'novelizations'). Back on the topic of a Transformers live action movie, it could work a lot easier than a Macross live action movie. The major characters are all robots, so they'd be done in CG. You could, possibly, get all of the original voice actors to reprise their roles (those that are still alive, that is). CG Transformers are nothing new, I imagine this movie would mainly be a CG movie, but with compositing done instead of rendered backgrounds. Transformers has always been a 30 minute toy commercial anyways, with lots of story and continuity flaws even within the original cartoon, so as long as the creators behind this movie don't screw up anything major (like turning Bumblebee into one of those new VW Bugs or turning Starscream into a sports car and Megatron into a Pez dispenser or something) it shouldn't tick off a lot of the original fans. I'd be interested to see where this is going, especially with some of the comments made from DeSanto.

  • Sept. 25, 2003, 7:22 p.m. CST

    The New film may look like this....

    by [OAP] Jester

    http://home.comcast.net/~themichaelsmith/VWHiRes.mpg Right click & save as!

  • Nov. 23, 2003, 2:38 p.m. CST

    this is what i want

    by ( . ) ( . ) tits

    what i always wanted to see was an autobot walks up to a decepticon and says io you wanka im gona kick your arse then kill you when i kill you your gonna stay dead this time bitch

  • Jan. 9, 2004, 9:48 p.m. CST

    G1 with Orignal Cast where possible PLEASE!!!!!

    by katryn

    Please if anyone to do with this is reading these board use Peter Cullen and any of the other surviving voice cast members for the characters. We don't need a love story, it doesn't have to be deep or even pretend deep - just watch the originals - get the vibe and base it on them :) P.S - Please can WETA do the effects and not ILM or the like?