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AICN Downunder: Kapow; ROTK; TheItalianJob; Cypher; Rage in Placid Lake; AmericanPie2; Newsfront; and a Gigli warning.

Published at:  Aug 23, 2003 1:14:49 PM CDT

Father Geek here, still haven't managed to delete ALL that bothersome WORM Spam from my PC (its enough to make me want to convert to a MAC, but then the mailed spam buried Harry's brand new state-of-the-art Mac as well) that built up during the long hectic work-week, buuuuuuut I did find Latauro's regular report hiding down among all the bogus mails from hundreds of familar addresses whose more modern, and infected (nobody bothers writing worms & viruses for my antique) PCs just kept pumping out the pain-in-the-arse missives.

Speaking of pain-in-the-ass stuffings, check out Gigli's vile underhanded tactic
to fill its empty theater seats further down in this week's Downunder Report...

Now here's Latauro from somewhere in the outback...

I trust everyone. It’s the devil inside the person I don’t trust.

AICN-DOWNUNDER

Having a bunch of really good films come out at once would be brilliant if I wasn’t working 30 hours a day, nine days per week (and, strangely, one week out of the year... go figure). Nevertheless, I managed to see a bunch, and you’ll find them reviewed down the bottom, alongside that exclusive script review I promised you last week.

Enjoy!


NEWS

* Okay, someone was asking me about this the other day, and my response was, “Nah, they wouldn’t be cool enough to do that.” ‘They’ referred to New Line, the studio who allowed Wingnut to make LORD OF THE RINGS and just made FREDDY VS JASON. That’s who I accused of not being cool enough. Stupid me. New Line will be releasing the Extended Editions of FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING and THE TWO TOWERS on December 5th and 12th, respectively. *Then* (get this) have both Extended Editions play back-to-back, to be immediately followed by the first screening of THE RETURN OF THE KING. Please, oh please, make this an international thing. So far, these plans have been made for the US, but the moment they announce similar plans on our corner of the globe, we’ll let you know.

Spoiler in next Paragraph...............................

* Speaking of which, AICN-D’s top spy Johnny Bartlett has spoiler-ish news of ROTK. The Oliphaunts (which we caught an uber-cool glimpse of in TTT) are going to “give the AT-AT walkers in EMPIRE STRIKES BACK a run for their money during the battle of Pelleanor Fields”. Expect to see an action sequence involving Legolas scaling one to go medieval on some orcish arse.

* If you go from very very hot weather straight into very very cold weather, the shock could be quite damaging. Forgive me, then, for going from LOTR news straight into GIGLI news. AICN-D reader Kevin has let us know that with all the negative press surrounding GIGLI, the Australian title may soon be changed (again) to TOUGH LOVE. A cunning ploy, as I’m sure most punters would never make the connection what with J-Lo and B-Aff in it... heheh... oops, forgot about JERSEY GIRL! Sorry, Kev!

* Australian Radha Mitchell (PHONE BOOTH) has replaced Winona Ryder in Woody Allen’s Untitled Next Film. She’ll appear alongside Robert Downey Jnr and Chloe Sevigny.

* Have to mention this, ’cos I have literally been waiting my whole life for this to happen. The ABC, from mid-September, will be repeating “Doctor Who”... in its entirety! Prepare for a nation-wide geekgasm to rock the tectonic plates and destroy the world unless Hilary Swank and Delroy Lindo can go to the middle of the Earth and kick-start the thing that does the whatever with the... okay, I never saw the film. But the Doc’s back!


AWARDS AND FESTIVALS

AUSTRALIAN WRITERS GUILD AWARDS

The 36th Annual AWGIE Awards were held in Sydney on August 16. Scribe Tony McNamara had a good night, walking away with the 2003 Gold AWGIE and the Feature Film (Adaptation) award for THE RAGE IN PLACID LAKE (which one the audience award for Best Film at MIFF).

TORONTO INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL

Aus film DANNY DECKCHAIR, featuring Rhys Ifans and Miranda Otto, will play as the closing night film for this year’s TIFF on September 13.

18th CINEMATEQUE AWARD

On November 14, Our Nic (Nicole Kidman, foreign heathens) will receive this award at the Beverly Hilton in LA. The award follows her win at the Oscars this year, and is presented in recognition of her successes in both independent films and the mainstream.

PHILLIP NOYCE HONOURED

Twenty-five years after making a splash in the US, Aussie director Phillip Noyce was honoured at Hollywood Boulevard’s Egyptian Theatre to a packed audience. Noyce’s first film to be shown in the US, NEWSFRONT, was screened. (For Mr Beaks’ review of this classic, hit on This Archived Bit)


BOX OFFICE

All the new foreign imports filled up the top six spots, with local films TAKE AWAY (7), THE NIGHT WE CALLED IT A DAY (9) and BAD EGGS (10) holding on. DANNY DECKCHAIR has failed to make a splash, but the big questions were over THE NIGHT WE CALLED IT A DAY. Adapted from a true story about Frank Sinatra’s visit to Australia, many were baffled when it failed to make an impact on ticket buyers (especially given the cast, including Dennis Hopper, Melanie Griffiths, Portia de Rossi, Rose Byrne, Joel Edgerton). I personally felt the trailers had no real aim. What was the audience they were going for? Who did they want to see this film? They spread too thin and got no one’s interest.

Nevertheless, here are the top five...

  • 1. AMERICAN PIE: THE WEDDING
  • 2. DOWN WITH LOVE
  • 3. TEARS OF THE SUN
  • 4. TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES
  • 5. THE ITALIAN JOB



RELEASED THIS WEEK

Joaquin’s film rises from the ashes, Marky Mark decides to give remakes a try, whilst punters finally get the long-awaited pairing of Bernadette Peters, Rory Culkin and Diana Douglas.

Annnnd Here They Be...
  • BUFFALO SOLDIERS
  • THE ITALIAN JOB
  • IT RUNS IN THE FAMILY



REVIEWS

AMERICAN PIE: THE WEDDING

Somewhere, there’s someone who likes the STAR WARS prequels better than the Original Trilogy. Somewhere, there’s someone who thinks STAR TREK: NEMESIS has believable character motivation, that BATMAN AND ROBIN was a much needed boost of neon and fluorescence to the Dark Knight films, that Gary Coleman would have made a better Mike Brady. And if you’re wondering who the guy was who preferred AMERICAN PIE 2 to the original, it was me.

Possible reasons (aside from the usual glue-sniffing): I reluctantly watched AMERICAN PIE on video, whereas I saw a preview of the sequel in a packed house of guffawing audience members. That sort of thing has an effect on you.

The first twenty minutes of WEDDING were fairly predictable and dull. Jason Biggs, Alyson Hannigan and Eugene Levy were all good, but there was something lacking. Even Levy’s opening sequence tag quote seemed a little lame and forced. Then there was the obvious lack of the other cast members. In identifying the most popular elements of the previous films (Biggs, Levy and Seann William Scott), the decision was clearly made to ditch the cast members who might jack up the price unnecessarily (Chris Klein, Natasha Lyonne, Tara Reid, Mena Suvari). I felt it, and I didn’t think I would. What everyone seemed to have forgotten was that the PIE films were always an ensemble. Sure, the promotions featured the Pie Fucker above all else, but it was always about a bunch of guys and their girls.

Klein’s absence stood out more than anyone’s. No mention was made of his disappearance; almost as if he’d never been there at all. But perhaps it was a good thing he wasn’t there. Thomas Ian Nicholas’s treatment made it seem as if he was only there to fill out the faces on the poster. Zero character development, very few lines. There were times where he was inserted into scenes at random, just to make full use of his contract. Random moments that added nothing to his character or the film.

And that brings us to Stifler. Sure, he’s popular. Sure, he’s funny. But for the most part, Scott seemed to be playing him as a bad caricature. And an inaccurate one at that. Ultimately, it’s Scott’s performance that really reflects the film: brilliantly funny in parts, unbelievably lame in others.

That said, it would be criminal of me not to mention the comic gold in this film: Stifler and Finch’s competition; the gay Belvedere character; Fred Willard; a wonderful character moment between Eugene Levy and Alyson Hannigan.

The film wasn’t awful by any means, but I was unable to get past the idea that with a few minor changes it could have been much, much better.

CYPHER

Ah, the director of CUBE. There’s nothing like a film that you and your friends feel like you’ve discovered on your own. That nobody else knows about. That was a few years ago, and it soon became clear that everyone knew about CUBE. Which was fine by us. By that time, we were the only people in the world who knew of Steven Soderbergh.

Knowing nothing about CYPHER was a real bonus, and I’m glad I went in with a blank slate. For though the twists and turns are, for the most part, been-there done-that, it’s the character moments throughout that actually improve the story. Holes or irrelevancies in the plot made perfect and wonderfully-satisfying sense by the film’s conclusion.

The direction is superb, as is the editing and cinematography. Lucy Liu, as well, plays her role to a tee.

The film feels like Christopher Nolan doing an action remake of THE SPANISH PRISONER. The comparison is helped by Jeremy Northam’s spot-on Cambell Scott impersonation. It’s only hours since I’ve seen it, and the themes and subtexts are yet to sink in, but I can already tell it’s a film that will reveal itself over repeat viewings.

THE ITALIAN JOB

I was so prepared to hate this film. You should have seen me standing in line for the ticket. Time was a big factor in what we were going to see, and the only film playing at the right time was this one. So I stood there, frowning up at the screen that told me about DOWN WITH LOVE and NARC playing at inappropriate times. DOWN WITH LOVE was the one I’d been planning to see, all week in fact, so watching Marky Mark rape another classic was not something I was overly keen on doing.

And, for the first act, my expectations fuelled my opinions. Bad writing, mediocre acting, a ridiculous number of cliches... Up until the first big surprise, I was really disliking this film. But then it picked up. The plot went in unexpected directions. The cliches became (slightly) less frequent. I started to enjoy it.

The big surprise for me was the acting. Wahlberg and Seth Green were the ones having the most fun, and ended up being the most watchable. Wahlberg, clearly glad he was able to do a heist film after dropping out of OCEAN’S 11 to do PLANET OF THE GODAMN FUCKING APES, is lapping up every minute of it. His screen presence isn’t so much there, y’know, at all, but he’s having fun, and that comes through. Green, who will never live down playing the character of Oz to absolute perfection on “Buffy”, delights in taking a character with a really lame and already-dated motivation (he came up with Napster... everybody laugh on the count of three), and making him laugh-out-loud hilarious, not to mention likeable.

But the one that shocked me the most was Ed Norton. I’m of the belief that Norton is the finest actor working... at least, I was of that belief a few years ago. His dislike of this film and his desire not to be in it is well publicised, and his sleep-walking phone-in of the role was just awful to watch. Didn’t want to be in the film, so he put in a lazy, unmotivated performance. It’s one of the most unprofessional things I’ve ever witnessed, and for it to come from my favourite actor was heartbreaking.

With the heist film slipping, in recent times, to stereotype and cliche, THE ITALIAN JOB surprised me by surprising me. The big heist that was planned just doesn’t happen, and every twist and turn (though not gut-wrenchingly shocking) was relatively unexpected, and consistently entertaining.

I went in with the lowest expectations, so there’s a good chance you may enjoy it regardless of your pre-conceived notions. And I swear the next film I see at the cinema will be DOWN WITH LOVE.

PS: Have to mention the trailer for INTOLERABLE CRUELTY. Cannot wait. I have a theory that the Coens realised, around the time of MILLER’S CROSSING, how ungodly talented they were, and have been trying to debunk themselves ever since. A film about a pregnant cop who says ‘yah’ a lot? A slacker main character who does nothing to advance the plot expect try to get a rug replaced? Three unbelievably ridiculous characters escaping from a chain gang in a loose adaptation of The Odyssey? All turned out brilliant. Out of frustration, they’ve turned to Nora Ephron territory. Looks like they’ve struck out again. If the trailer is anything to go by, this is going to be one of the greatest rom-coms of all time. Sorry, boys. Better luck next time.


SCRIPT REVIEW

KAPOW!



THE BULK

I transform into a raging, muscular giant. As strong as all the other members of the co-operative combined. I am... wrath and fury personified. An unstoppable Monster from the darkest depths of the human ID.

INTERVIEWER (O.S.)

And this happens when you... get angry or...?

THE BULK

Oh no, no. No, when I eat dairy.

BRIDE OF THE BULK

And wheat.


Imagine Christopher Guest making MYSTERY MEN in Australia. That’s about as close as I can come to describing the script for KAPOW! (written by Hugh Fleming, from a story by Hugh Fleming and Pete! Ford) using the standard yardstick of, y’know, other people’s films.

Daniel Svetanovski is the leader of the North Carlton Justice Co-Operative, a group of Melbourne-based superheroes who are living under the shadow of their New York counterparts, the Justice Corp. While the Justice Corp have advertising and marketing deals and film roles, the Justice Co-Op have a hard time making rent. When a villain known as Deathmasque comes to Australia, the Justice Co-Op finally have a chance to prove their worth and stop the menace...

Okay, I’ve never been one for plot descriptions, so the above sentences don’t really do justice to what is a very funny script. At first I believed it was going to be smirkworthy, but it was only a few pages in before I was laughing out loud. The Bulk is an obvious riff on the Hulk, a meek man who transforms into a large orange monster whenever he’s fed the wrong food. The white-clad flying female superhero has perhaps the best name of the group – The White Swallow. It’s characters like these that populate the script; so-called meta-humans who have the most mind-blowing abilities, yet find themselves looked down upon by society.

It’s interesting to read a script for a mockumentary, especially as it’s the spontaneity that will give this film its edge. The only niggling problem I had with A MIGHTY WIND is that characters would walk through a door and there’d be a camera there waiting. I didn’t mention it in the review because there are degrees of realism, and Guest chose that one. And that’s fine. But there’s a very apt understanding of the art of the doco in the KAPOW! screenplay. There’s always a reason for the camera to be where it is, and even the director is acknowledged as a presence.

It’s also interesting to see how revelatory plot twists are handled, because there are a number of unexpected turns in the script. I should also point out that this is not MYSTERY MEN II or THE SPECIALS TAKE MELBOURNE. The superhero spoof is something we’ll be seeing a lot of in the coming years (SCARY MOVIE 4 is taking this tack), and that’s inevitable what with Marvel’s current monopoly on the money printing license. So why is this one worth the time? If they manage to do justice to the screenplay, then we’ll have an Australian genre film that won’t alienate international audiences, told using a rare but apt storytelling technique. (There’s also a laugh-out-loud cameo in here that, if they can get the person in question, will justify the price of admission for every fanboy.)

The script has recently been picked up by a US backer, and the production should begin in Melbourne later this year. Fingers crossed that this script gets the treatment it deserves, because despite having a name like ‘KAPOW!’, it’s damn worth it.


NEXT WEEK

- Clint Gotwood and Meryl Strip to star in THE BRITCHES OF MADISON COUNTY

- Woody the Playboy and Bizz Light-leer sign on for SEX TOY STORY

- Madonna to appear in new video clip


Peace out,

Latauro

downunder@aintitcoolmail.com




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  • Aug 23, 2003 1:24:49 PM CDT

    First?

    by darth thoth

    What's really good!

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  • Aug 23, 2003 1:33:01 PM CDT

    What do I do?

    by darth thoth

    I am ecstatic about the day long Lord of the Rings marathon taking place on December 16 in theaters. My only problem is that I'm starting law school and I know I'm going to have a final exam that day as well as the next. What do I do? A day long Rings marathon is undoubtedly a geek's dream come true/ once in a lifetime thing? I can't miss it. But what do I do? Man! I'm vexed. Oh well. Sometimes life sucks! I wish you all happiness on that soon to be glorious day. Just know that I'll be with you in spirit, as I cry, sitting in the exam room, taking my test. lol

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  • Aug 23, 2003 1:55:49 PM CDT

    About damn time

    by superjew

    they update the site. You don't get days off!!!

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  • Aug 23, 2003 2:15:25 PM CDT

    Wait!

    by superjew

    Didn't he say there was gonna be some exclusive script review? Whatever. How stupid do studios think Aussies are? Changing the name of Gili and thinking they won't notice they are still watching crap? Adjusting the name of American Wedding to American Pie: The Wedding? Give them a little credit. Studio Executive: Australian for douche-bag.

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  • Aug 23, 2003 2:21:31 PM CDT

    Cypher

    by lujho

    I second Lat's reccommendation of Cypher. It's really good, but you should try to go in knowing nothing. It looks lovely, and with a budget of 9 million dollars it looks like it cost a lot more than that.

    LH

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  • Aug 23, 2003 3:03:10 PM CDT

    Harry can get a new Mac....

    by squishy

    ...but he cannot update this site beyond HTML 1.0......hmmmm.....prioritize man, this place needs a makeover.

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  • Aug 23, 2003 5:18:53 PM CDT

    you fukin bastards!

    by cockknocker

    er, everything sux jooo bum diggers. Anyway, Cypher sounds cool.

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  • Aug 23, 2003 11:54:05 PM CDT

    cameo in KAPOW!

    by reignman79

    I bet it's Hugh Jackman who they've got in mind. He might go for it, if it's him.

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  • Aug 24, 2003 12:09:40 AM CDT

    This story won't last long,

    by conan_the_humble

    It's actually got some ROTK "spoilers". Cheers.

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  • Aug 24, 2003 2:35:36 AM CDT

    Re: Movie

    by jaguart

    Thank You!.pif

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  • Aug 24, 2003 3:00:56 AM CDT

    hang on L!

    by speed

    basically you've said that you could predict the twisty turny CYPHER/ COMPANY MAN but not the CRAPtalian job. it's a joke, isn't it? the I.J. was not only a remake but derivative as shit. movies need a slight sense of plausibility to hold the viewers attention. F Gary Gray turns what could have been exciting into a tensionless mundane flick of lame crooks doing crooked things. and charlize theron (i only saw it last week but can't quite remember if it was her or not) looking stunning and posing as a cable repair technician??? haha! there's only one italian job i'm interested in and that one stars monica belluci. AND you want to know why nobody is seeing THE NIGHT WE CALLED IT A DAY...melanie griffiths for one and the absolute problem im sure most people have with looking at dennis hopper, listening to dennis hopper, but trying to imagine Frank Sinatra. no make up, no trying to hide it. It's bloody dennis hopper! start spreading the weed more like it.

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  • Aug 24, 2003 3:13:46 AM CDT

    Legolas Scales An Oliphaunt!

    by senshine

    Wow, that ought to be amazing. Another leggy moment....

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  • Aug 24, 2003 4:34:42 AM CDT

    My goodness.... I absolutely totally 100% agree with everything

    by theginger twit

  • Aug 24, 2003 6:34:18 AM CDT

    This place looks familiar...

    by latauro

    Hi all... Haven't been in talkback because... well, it's a long story (all I'll say is the Knowles basement, a pair of pliers, and an audio recording of Harry's Blade II review... all I'm saying). What I forgot to mention in the Italian Job review is that any film in which Marky Mark is better than Ed Norton is surely a sign of the Apocalypse... so stock up on canned goods, buy a shotgun, and get in that bomb shelter you've been hankering to use. Post haste!

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  • Aug 24, 2003 7:02:12 AM CDT

    FUCK STAR TREK

    by jimmyrabbit

    It had to be said....

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  • Aug 24, 2003 12:35:25 PM CDT

    Legolas mounts an Oliphant ...

    by godoffireinhell

    Wow, will they get away with this in a PG-13 film??? Even if it's an elf and an oliphant, it's still bestiality!!!

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  • Aug 24, 2003 12:36:52 PM CDT

    Legolas has an Oliphant and cheats on his pointy ears!

    by godoffireinhell

    A sight for sore eyes!

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  • Aug 24, 2003 12:40:43 PM CDT

    I think the sequel should be called SON OF KAPOW! with Hulk Hoga

    by godoffireinhell

    KAPOW! this, brother!

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  • Aug 24, 2003 4:11:45 PM CDT

    Ack! I missed the spoiler!

    by morgoth

    Cool! Even if it might be bestiality, I think Legolas is the man, oops, Elf to do it! Though I do think he'll be finding Southrons atop that mumak instead of orcs. But then, that's just the Tolkien Geek speaking. Waves to Conan from the back of the room...

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  • Aug 24, 2003 9:43:36 PM CDT

    Hello MorGy,

    by conan_the_humble

    I've got to break out of these bitter snide remarks I find myself making towards Harry et al lately. Anyhoo I'm gonna hang out in the poster TB. Cheers.

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  • Aug 25, 2003 9:38:08 PM CDT

    Yo ShepW

    by elanor

    You remind me of a certain Bakshi animation: fair intentions
    but crappy delivery.

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  • Aug 27, 2003 5:43:36 AM CDT

    Latuaro

    by moll1992

    Good update. I enjoyed reading it. But one question, was it really necessary for you to return to the Talkback to just make a cheap shot attack against Mark Wahlberg?!! IMO it was uncalled for.

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  • Aug 27, 2003 7:27:58 AM CDT

    It's Wednesday! (one of three)

    by miami mofo

    Sixteen weeks (efe) until LotR:RotK!!!!!!!!!

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  • Feb 24, 2004 1:27:23 PM CST

    Hose Test

    by pontsing barset

    ABRAMUTHEREFFINCADABRA!

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  • Feb 24, 2004 2:45:14 PM CST

    Last! Wait, wrong TB...

    by mortsleam

    Way to gather the flock, Moaters. And good job on that Elf Eye spotting of the similarities between Frodo, Gollum and Isildur. I was half-expecting Sam to mirror Elrond's words as well. "Cast it into the fire, Mr. Frodo! Destroy it!" *** Yes, it's true, ROTK is not up for a SINGLE GOLDEN TUSK this year. Why? I have my reasons. You'll see. Heh-heh-heh

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  • Feb 24, 2004 3:04:11 PM CST

    Thanks for the move and the mail, Moaters and Rune

    by sabster

    Just curious, but now that there

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  • Feb 24, 2004 3:31:27 PM CST

    Good, good, they've started to arrive!

    by skyway moaters

    Now nobody blow our cover! If we alert the rest of the TEers do it by e-mail, NOT on the last TB right?

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  • Feb 24, 2004 4:38:54 PM CST

    I think I forwarded it to everyone.

    by runelord

  • Feb 24, 2004 4:40:36 PM CST

    Whoops!

    by runelord

    Wrong TB.

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  • Feb 24, 2004 5:09:26 PM CST

    Thank y

    by wynn

    You make me laugh, Yorkshirebuck. Meet me by the sunset.

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  • Feb 24, 2004 6:08:49 PM CST

    Grand!

    by yorkshirebuck

    Aye lass, meet yer I will! ---- There's nowt as makes the sun shine brighter quite like the appreciation of lovely lass. :^)

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  • Feb 24, 2004 7:10:48 PM CST

    Yorkshirebuck you daft bugger!

    by raw_bean

    Hosed! Look, I know what it's like to be an infatuated Yorkshireman, but you could have been more careful, you silly tit! I don't know, perhaps you need to remember a Yorkshireman's code, you kow, "'Ear all see all but say nowt..."?

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  • Feb 24, 2004 7:13:55 PM CST

    That's 'kNow', of course.

    by raw_bean

    If anyone mentions SCOW I'll boxkick their arse! From now on, I correct only my *own* spelling! (Until CA, when I have the power to correct anyone's posts as I see fit, bwahahahahahahah!) :^)

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  • Feb 24, 2004 7:23:36 PM CST

    Aye, "Eat all, sup all, pay nowt. 'Ear all, see all but say nowt

    by yorkshirebuck

    So Ah'll say this fer mi'sen: "Shut up raw_bean, y'great numptey!". You know as well as I that it were nowt to do wi'me, but that stupid bugger who got hi'self banned after messin' oop the TB thingy on that there 'King Kong' page. This whole new-fangled 'Internet' thingie may be a mite overwhelming fer a down-to-earth Tyke like me, but Ah'm still as sharp a Tyke as ever lived in the Three Ridings, so watch yer mouth!

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  • Feb 24, 2004 7:28:11 PM CST

    Anyways, if yer don't mind Ah've a lady to entertain,

    by yorkshirebuck

    so kindly slink off back down't'oil you crept aht'er!

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  • Feb 24, 2004 7:59:40 PM CST

    Wow, this IS an old one!

    by djinnj

    And I thought the one I found was old! Hi all, just ducking in to say 'lo, as I've got a presentation due tomorrow and a paper Friday!

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  • Feb 24, 2004 9:17:44 PM CST

    Hi guys just got the email

    by conan_the_humble

    I know I haven't been popping in much lately, I've been a bit busy. I'll try and add my thoughts to a few more things as we go. Cheers.

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  • Feb 24, 2004 10:24:55 PM CST

    And I hosed it...

    by conan_the_humble

    What a way to make an entrance. Sigh... Cheers.

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  • Feb 24, 2004 10:39:17 PM CST

    Ered Luin

    by tv's frank

    Thank you again, Runelord, for directing me to the new page. Did something happen with Orson or something? I always visit this site at night, after everyone has already been banned.

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  • Feb 24, 2004 11:55:34 PM CST

    hello hello I've got one fishie. I'd like another you know

    by elanor

    I have no idea what movie that's from but Ralph Richardson says it. Or something like it. Nor do I know why I just typed it.***
    But hello all. Thanks for the assist, Moaters. What the hell happened and what did Orson have to do with it? mort, were you saying that Thomas Edison or Grimloch (or the same entity) is
    "dot Elanor the tb stretcher-outer"? I did see that person's odd post before it disappeared in which he/she claimed to be me and yet spoke of me in the third person and yet was clearly not me or even talking about me.
    Does it mean anything good when you have posted long enough to have your handle hijacked? How weird!***Yes! We must revive the Elanor categories and get a vote together.***Good call, Moaters on the Frodo/Isildur face. I have meant to bring it up a million times. But I did not notice the Smeagol/Gollum one. I just popped in T2T last night and noticed a similarity in Gandalf hanging on in Moria before he falls/lets go. Who is staring at him in horror? Frodo. Could Frodo be thinking of Gandalf's sacrifice while he's holding on at the cracks of doom?
    Ooooo! I got chills.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 12:07:33 AM CST

    Well, hello!

    by daughter of time

    Alice asked me where everyone is, so she may show up. What a lovely, short TB - and hosed already! Since I've been out of the loop, what are the Elanors?

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  • Feb 25, 2004 5:17:34 AM CST

    A break from the eternal torment that is chemistry

    by natmeyen

    Djinnj!!! The scarf is great! I

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  • After a five week interlude since my last viewing, last night I attended viewing number seven so I have FINALLY reached Dwarf-lord status just mere days before we sweep the Oscars and the demolition of my old bathrooms actually begins. Happy to report that was an excellent print with superb sound. ***DoT: the Elanor's(tm) are our equivelent of the Oscar's, where awards will be given out for the more important aspects of the movie that Uncle Oscar neglects (but shouldn't). Examples are fave swoon scene, fave swoop scene, etc. ***I was without DSL yesterday. Did Orson, in one of his nefarious disguises, make an appearence at the old TB, and is this why we moved so steathily? [Thanks for the heads-up, Moaters.] I had deja-vu when I typed in numero 15902, and I see that indeed, I've been here before - back when the Weekly Wednesday Countdown (can I get unemployment insurance since I'm out of that particular job?) hit sixteen weeks (efe). Meanwhile, I see that our tusked friend has been posting over at King Kong, so I think I'll mosey on over there to check things out.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 8:24:22 AM CST

    A Funny Thing Happened To Me On The Way To This TB...

    by aliceinwonderlnd

    So *there* you all are!

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  • Feb 25, 2004 9:19:40 AM CST

    Wow, I've not seen so many Tailenders in one place for ages!

    by raw_bean

    Hello all (especially Pip, who seems to be picking up a bit of a Yorkshire accent!). To explain the hiding on this TB, when .Elanor, or Tailender..., or whoever Orson's come up with now attacked the King Kong page yesterday, he tried to pass himself off as one of us, piss everybody off and stretch the Talkback out of all useable proportions, then tell everone else where we were (16997) in the hope that people would come and flame us. Pathetic, really, and wholly unsuccesful, if you check back at 16997. Anyway, since there's so many of us here, I'd like you all to email me (my raw_bean username email is fine) any suggestions/comments/requests/ideas you have for ClubAngband.com(or .co.uk :), and I promise to look through them all and make a start this weekend. :)

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  • Feb 25, 2004 10:45:58 AM CST

    Thanks for the explanation, beanie.

    by miami mofo

    I can just picture Orson sitting in his basement, clicking the 'More On This Topic' button, and searching all the old reports to find the active talkback. Oh yeah, I think we should have a Gollum's column at the new locale (of course you'll have to get Andy Serkis to write it, but I'm sure he'll be most happy to oblige). ***borg, if memory serves, at the old tb you predicted eight Oscars (out of eleven noms) for LotR:RotK. Could you be more specific as to which categories you think will win.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 10:50:37 AM CST

    Hizzoly Fizzuck! Is that Alice?

    by mortsleam

    Where you been, girl? Here's a short re-cap of what you've missed out on: A handful of new Tailenders appeared, including at least a few multiple-personalities, who have apparently hooked up. Awww, isn't it cute when products of schizophrenic reality breaks find each other? Much love was given to ROTK despite its flaws, causing *someone* to fly into a violent rage and impersonate elanor in a futile attempt at bad-mouthing us. My reference to Thomas Edison and Mr Grimloch was merely pointing out that Orson was starting to use the same patented troll phraseology as those two shortly before his bizarre public flameout. It's fairly obvious that he's "The Tailender," and only mere paranoid speculation that he's also Edison/Grimloch (and perhaps Brian Posehn, the big bald dopey guy from Mr. Show and Just Shoot Me.) Also, I was excoriated for improper use of the word "bizznitch." (A quick word of explanation: I'm only swearing in Snoop Dogg pimp-ese from now on. Read it aloud in your best Flanders impression. It's a hi-diddley-muthafizzley-hoot.) Uhm...I guess this wasn't a short re-cap after all. Dum-diddley-dizzamnit.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 10:57:15 AM CST

    The "More on this Topic" button...

    by skyway moaters

    ... ain't going to do him any good if he clicks from the Gollum contest TB, and he may be too daft to figure out how the archives are parsed. I'll never tell...

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  • Feb 25, 2004 11:03:18 AM CST

    "Pallando, Pallando, wherefore art thou Pallando?"

    by pallando blue

    [waves] Heah Ah is! *** The preceding bit stolen from a 50-year-old Andy Griffith stand-up comedy album, the portion of which parodying Shakespeare-by-way-of-hayseed. Thank you. [ducks flying beer bottle] Thank you very, very much. *** For what it's worth, when I (among a thousand others, I'm sure) shot off an e-mail yesterday to the AICN Powers about the Posin' Hoser stretching TBs again, I threw in an apology for the bastard. Not that I, or any of us, should feel responsible for the strange little cretin, but that for whatever reason this dick wants to fuck with us, he's fucking with the whole site to do it. And THAT's the thing that pisses me off. What a little bitch! [Elaine's, Sabster's, and Runelord's hands drop from their mugs to their hilts and pistol grips. Elaine: "...Pardon me?" Walrus, on the floor, speaking through a swollen, battered, bleeding face: "Run, you fool! Just RUN!"] *** ALICE! Great jumpin fishstix! Now ain't you a sight for tired eyes. And everyone else is here! Am I really the last..? I'm gonna have to MAKE some time to get back here again this week! [blasted "work"! have they NO sense of priority?!?]

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  • Specifically, Howard Shore is looking to release an eight- or nine-disc set of ALL the music from the movies! Also, that Sean Astin is asking for fan support in an attempt to get the directing gig for the Fantastic Four movie. Here's my take on that: "Sean Astin has to prove himself capable of directing a full length movie before anyone hands him the FF. I think it would be a great idea to have him direct...The Hobbit. Under the supervision of Peter Jackson and with the resources of WETA. He could also follow Jackson's Hitchcock homage and insert himself in as Hamfast "Gaffer" Gamgee. It's territory he knows well and a crew he's worked with before. Hell, he even directed Andrew Lesnie in The Long and the Short of It. He has just the right...let's say "lighter" touch for what's essentially a children's story than PJ's penchant for heavy-handed spectacle and it's almost a can't miss surefire hit. That would give him the credibility necessary to then tackle a larger project. But hell, if Marvel can give Green Hornet to a master of point-and-shoot static two-shots like Kevin Smith, they can probably risk Sean Astin. At least The Long and the Short of It had some interesting camera moves."

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  • Feb 25, 2004 11:23:39 AM CST

    Good observation R_B...

    by pontsing barset

    Let's see; roll call: elanor, conan, R_B, cutest, Alice!, Pallando, Sabster, djinnj, Rune, Natmeyen, De Mofo, Mort, and Wynn(?) is it? Yet to check in: morG, JD, Ingold WB, Vanyar, Elaine, and ...? Shards? What ever happened to: Morpheus? Greenleaf?, Elwe Singollo? Chief Celt? Goodgulf?, Creamy Goodness? Mirror White? Lost they are precioussss. Assshes and dusssst...

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  • Feb 25, 2004 11:29:13 AM CST

    Yay!

    by aliceinwonderlnd

    Sorry, I missed a ton of posts today due to the Great Hosedness. Clearly I've been missing weeks of troll-flavoured fun. Glad to hear everyone was pleased with ROTK (as was I, except for the GLARING EXCEPTION, which we don't talk about in polite company since I start to spit and dribble). Most Swoonsome Moment, huh? I'd have to think about that. Oh, and you all have my great love and stuff for the cards and prezzies I got over Xmas but was too busy and ultimately lame to respond graciously to. In particular "The Choices of Master Samwise" rocked, as did morGy's aggressively individualistic card - nice to see that print press up and running beyond the Door of Night, and countering the lies of the filthy Tarks and their filthy Tark movies...

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  • Feb 25, 2004 12:04:56 PM CST

    Real quick, my suggested Elanors(tm) categories

    by pallando blue

    Now, these awards, I believe, cover all 3 movies, so it is very possible for a nominee to compete against oneself, and naturally to be nominated in multiple categories. *** Best Swoon Inducing Moment, Male * Best Swoon Inducing Moment, Female * Best Supporting Swoon Inducing Moment, Male * Best Supporting Swoon Inducing Moment, Female * Best Orc * Best Supporting Orc * Best Audience Gasp * Best Audience Laugh * Best Swoop (!!) * Best Use Of Tolkien Dialogue, Hero * Best Use Of Tolkien Dialogue, Villain * Best Original Dialogue, Hero * Best Original Dialogue, Villain * ...Let's get good 'n racist, shall we? ;) THE BIG ONES: Best Human * Best Elf * Best Dwarf (the only Elanor that's a total lock) * and finally (the HOTLY contested) Best Hobbit

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  • Feb 25, 2004 12:18:45 PM CST

    Nominations

    by aliceinwonderlnd

    Best Hobbit is Frodo. And I'll have an enormous fight with anyone that says different, in a steel cage and armed only with a knife. As for Male Swoonery over all three movies, I'm at a loss. What a choice! As best Elf goes, I nominate Galadriel. She's the most Elven, if you see what I mean, Mr. Frodo. The rest I shall ponder in a weighty way, occasionally resting my chin on my hand and going "hmm..."

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  • Feb 25, 2004 12:27:36 PM CST

    I feel more like Yoyo Mofo

    by miami mofo

    The posting order goes up. The posting order goes down. For our next trick we'll do the 'Walk the dog/'Round the world/Rock the baby combo. ***mort: So how much money do you think we'll have to spend to keep up with everyone else? May 25th (LotR:RotK-TE DVD day) is EXACTLY three months away and the EE is six months after that [and three and six make NINE!!!!!!!!! :~)]. Plus it seems that there'll be an additional DVD collection w/ a fourth disc (so I'm assuming the collection is all theatricals), and now this Howard Shore collection. Plus, we hope, the Mithril Collection of the Extended Editions. Kaching!

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  • Feb 25, 2004 12:38:04 PM CST

    You're most welcome, Alice

    by miami mofo

    Glad you liked the mathom [still waiting on your choice, bean (and borg)]. Speaking of mathoms, Harry wrote an incredible Thank-you to us a couple of tb's ago regarding his book. I know you'll cringe when you hear this, but Pallando, who was the last tailender to have the book and the one who mailed it to Harry, attached a collection of the best Tailender Limericks. So now you're forever linked with that. [The plaintiff wail of a woman gnawing off her own feet now heard clear across the Atlantic.]

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  • Feb 25, 2004 12:41:41 PM CST

    Another Elanor(tm) category:

    by miami mofo

    Best scene with Billy and Katie Jackson.

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  • Best Swoon Inducing Moment, Male: Aragorn throwing open the doors to Edoras. Despite my secure grasp on heterosexuality, that scene almost makes me wanna go watch Queer Eye. * Best Swoon Inducing Moment, Female: The look on Eowyn

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  • Feb 25, 2004 1:01:28 PM CST

    Harry thanked us?

    by aliceinwonderlnd

    My God, he noticed we were alive. Where is this post? I'm glad he got the book in the end. It was going around forever. I'm glad we're in his good graces though, as I believe the last time we colonized a Downunder TB a few of us got 86ed. But not me. Because I'm great.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 1:24:36 PM CST

    That "other" awards show

    by pallando blue

    Real quick-like, here's an interesting breakdown of the Academy voters, in nice neat USA Today eye-friendly graphic representation form (oh yeah, and an article on Best Adapted Screenplay's there too): http://www.oscarwatch.com/Ed_Sez/edsez.html ...Veeelllly intellestink... *** Alice, Harry's Howdy was on elanor's Lincoln Center report, TB 16752

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  • Feb 25, 2004 2:09:11 PM CST

    Miami

    by mortsleam

    I don't care, I'm buyin' 'em all! I've severely cut down on my drinking and I hardly ever smoke crack anymore, I gotta spend my money on something.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 2:09:42 PM CST

    DoT too!

    by runelord

    DoT's here too, Pontsing. Hi DoT, the writing been going well for you? Best of luck on that.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 2:57:59 PM CST

    Miami again

    by mortsleam

    Best Billy & Katie Jackson scene is without a doubt "Storytime With Bilbo Baggins." Is it me, or did they age noticeably between Bilbo's Party and Faramir's Farewell? Is it just the makeup/costumes/emotional weight of the scenes, or were they filmed at the beginning and end of principle photography, respectively? This is why I need the day-by-day chronicle in the super-delux Platinum SEE collection. But, as pops used to say: "You walrus want what you can't have." Truer words were never spoken.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 3:09:51 PM CST

    Snif

    by morgoth

    Well, everybody

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  • Feb 25, 2004 3:40:00 PM CST

    YAY! morGoth's here! YAY!

    by mortsleam

    Now we can get the party started! (Walrus jumps up and moves his flippers around in a pathetic attempt at the Cabbage Patch) How's that?

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  • Feb 25, 2004 3:43:08 PM CST

    Whoops! wrong TB!

    by orson

    Dang! Was trying to post elsewhere! Don't mind me - just keep doing what you're doing. Hopefully more people will turn up.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 4:00:34 PM CST

    The gang's all here.

    by runelord

    It'll be just like old times.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 4:09:03 PM CST

    Fucking wanker.

    by skyway moaters

    Ok the gloves are off motherfucker. You are not going to win this, mostly because you're not nearly as clever as you think you are. Of course no one can prove anything about any one... so fucking what? Do your worst, we'll see who's still standing.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 4:22:20 PM CST

    Well, I'm off then...

    by mortsleam

    Unless you can all think of something else to do, I'll bid you a fond farewell. It's been a lot of fun discussing these movies and everything related and not-so-related and blatantly un-related to them, and believe me I'll truly treasure whatever memories haven't been tainted over this whole thing, but I'm afraid I just can't continue under these circumstances. I'm sorry, but just looking at that name literally sickens me now. So I'm gone. See you on the main page. But do me a favor, everyone: don't respond to it. Just ignore it. Don't give it any power and don't for a second think that it's anything more than a desperate, patently transparent, sad plea for attention. There is the only one direct response that should be made, and I will make it: You win, you've broken at least one of your percieved enemies and destroyed our little circle. I hope you're happy, you pretentious, petulant, psychotic, trolling bitch. And this time I am most definitely using the term in the manner it is supposed to be used, and the meaning it represents.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 4:33:51 PM CST

    Aw mort, ye big flippered palooka!

    by morgoth

    Say, what's with the vitriol all of a sudden? What's up and otherwise mellyn?

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  • Feb 25, 2004 4:36:45 PM CST

    Aw knock it off Mortey...

    by pontsing barset

    Don't let the dimwitted bastard get you down! What's the worst that can happen? Just a couple of posts ago you were all "BRING IT!" Well to that I hold. Fuck him and the skunk that smells like him! *** Iwll stan my groun!

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  • Feb 25, 2004 5:10:05 PM CST

    What a shame, y

    by wynn

    That carefree, kindhearted, wise, fatherly figure what gently scolded our PJ follies on TBs past feels we ain

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  • Feb 25, 2004 5:12:42 PM CST

    Ok, I'm going to ask you straight up:

    by pontsing barset

    Was that you with all that TB stretching nonsense and the Tailender and variations on "elanor" user IDs Orson? Whose ear on Harry's Web staff do you, or don't you have? Trying to tell us something? Worn out our welcome have we? Speak up man! Let's make a clean breach of this increasingly tiresome situation. What say you?!

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  • Feb 25, 2004 6:32:22 PM CST

    The Elanors (and a few extras)

    by daughter of time

    Working backward, of COURSE the Best Hobbit is Frodo. Gandalf said so!!!! Best Dwarf: Gimli. Best Elf: Galadriel in FOTR (both uber-soft lighting and Deep Voice are a little much in ROTK). Best Human: Boromir. Because he IS the most human. Best Original Tolkien Dialogue, Hero AND Villain: the coney scene. Best Tolkien Hero Dialogue (transplanted): Gandalf and Frodo in Moria. Best Original Dialogue (mixed with Tolkien): Frodo and Gandalf at Bag End, as Frodo first tries to give the Ring back to Gandalf, and then accepts the burden. Best Audience Gasp: First arrow going into Boromir. Best Audience Cheer (a new category?): Aragorn swopping off Lurtz

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  • I can't feel anything but faint amusement at the unbelievable scale of his hypocricy. However, since he's upsetting people I know and love, ---- Orson, fella, I'm sorry if I ever offended you in any way. Please, just enjoy the LOTR movies as a teenager, and leave us to imagine depths and subtleties to the films that you don't think are there. There's no need for this kind of behaviour. Do realise, you are actually upsetting people. Not me, I couldn't give a toss, in fact you've provided me a fair few chuckles, but please, just give it up. There's enjoying feeling like a teenager and then there's just downright childish and silly behaviour. There *is* still good in you, I can feel it. Let go of your hate! :^)

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  • Feb 25, 2004 7:16:21 PM CST

    Wyyn love, I couldn't give a toss about that there Orson.

    by yorkshirebuck

    The daft sod can go bugger 'imself wiv a cricket bat fer all Ah care, Ah've much more important things ter worry abaht, like 'ow to impress a proper lady like thi'sen when Ah'm nowt bur'en uncultured Northener.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 7:21:40 PM CST

    Bloody 'ell! I spelled yer name wrong!

    by yorkshirebuck

    Just goes to show what a stupid bugger Ah am, and how yer much too good fer me.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 7:32:20 PM CST

    Orson, won

    by runelord

  • Feb 25, 2004 8:09:38 PM CST

    Alice, re Harry's Thank You

    by miami mofo

    Just to expand Pallando's answer, yes, it is at elanor's Lincoln Center report, posted under subject: "Greetings & Salutations you Tailenders You! Yes, I got your gift." Time stamp: 2004-1-14 04:58:01 (approx 1/4 down the page).

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  • Feb 25, 2004 9:25:40 PM CST

    Interesting Nat,

    by conan_the_humble

    I share pretty much the same point of view. Whilst I love the movie, the story doesn't quite enthrall me to the same degree as "the book" (I only own a massive hardcover single edition of LOTR, not the 3 books). I also think that they short-changed Frodo a bit with things like him not rejecting the Nazgul at the Ford of Bruinen (Go back to mordor and never trouble me again, but Frodo had not the power of Bombadil etc)... Otherwise I'm very happy with the movies, and look forward the ROTK:EE where we will get a bit more of the "trimmings" of Middle Earth. Cheers.

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  • Feb 25, 2004 11:27:16 PM CST

    he must have died while carving it

    by tv's frank

    This is quite strange. That person whose name I won't say for fear of upsetting people seemed like a fairly reasonable type to me, if a bit stubborn. But if it is true that he who must not be named is the one responsible for all this nonsense, then that is truly psychotic. And there must be something strange going on, because I don't think it is possible to accidentally post on the "wrong TB" and also apologize for doing so at the same time. He would have had to have posted a post meant for another page, then posted a second post to apologize for the first one. Not to mention that he would have had to actively seek out this particular TB from last year. Just thinking out loud.

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  • Feb 26, 2004 5:13:31 AM CST

    Oops. Obviously I meant 'hypocriSy', yesterday.

    by raw_bean

  • Feb 26, 2004 6:55:59 AM CST

    Thinking...

    by aliceinwonderlnd

    Had a think about Swoon Categories, and I think female swoon will probably go to Arwen in mourning. That was a beautiful image. Supporting swoon (human) may go to Faramir and Boromir greeting each other after the battle of Osgiliath (wall to wall beefcake! Yay!), though Eomer also has strong claims in that category, as has been observed. The rest I shall consider to ponder, whilst watching the films a lot in the interests of research.

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  • Hmm, so we're not quite safe here after all, are we? Oh, well. At least nearly everyone's here. Good to have you back, Alice! **** So the voting for the Elanors has really begun, has it? Good. Good. So far, I second many of Mort's choices and a few of Daughter of Time's, but I'll do some extensive DVD-watching before I share my final choices with you. In the meantime, here's a SUGGESTION: how about limiting ourselves to voting in just a few categories (let's say, three) a week? That way, votes remain easily countable (unless Miami comes up with an original, Floridean way to rig the vote :-)), we get some fierce and focused discussion going (rather than everybody just compiling endless, confusing lists), and best of all, we get to stretch the voting process until the EE comes out and we can start all over again. What say you, my friends? What say you? **** ALICE: prepare for battle, oh sharp-witted and sharp-knifed one. I hardly dare speak the words amongst so many Frodo swooners, and I admit they feel like treachery of the worst, death-justifying kind, but I nominate the utterly delightful Pippin for best Hobbit. And I warn you, I throw a mean knife. :-) **** SABSTER: "T

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  • Feb 26, 2004 11:46:07 AM CST

    Elaine, you took the words

    by sabster

    right out of my mouth, you thief, you filthy little... oops, sorry about that. Anyway, yes, it

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  • Feb 26, 2004 12:01:31 PM CST

    For alla youse Language Freaks

    by pallando blue

    I humbly suggest you hie thee hence to your nearest library, public or university, and grab a copy of tomorrow's issue of the journal Science *cough*plug*cough*. :) The Feb. 27th is a special issue on Language, the origins, history, and future of. You multi-linguists and amateur philologists just might find it interesting (if occasionally gruesomely technical). Just a tip fom one in the know... ;) *** Okay, prepare for a wee little bit of swearing. A quick rant must be vented, then speaking of it n'more. Ahem. Fuck this self-absorbed obsessive creep and fuck fucking hiding from him. Fuck "secret e-mails" to ditch him, though I appreciate the intention. Fuck turning this little thing we've maintained for going on 5 years now into a closed, secret society. Despite what that fucking small-minded twerp thinks we do NOT want this to become some elitist (yeah, I said it!) wary-of-others clique situation, or exclusive from people with differing opinions. We need to keep things INclusive, or what's the fucking point? Why are we here? The idea of it sounds really fucking dull. Eventually, like all the other shitheads with nothing to contribute this shithead will get bored and bugger off, too. But no fucking hiding from the fucker, I don't care HOW fucking nutty or obtrusive or site-destructive he is. He's just one asshole, whereas in the past year, by either wandering in accidentally or emerging from lurker state we've gotten great good eggs like raw-bean, cutest-o-b, Elaine, Sabster, Wynn, TV's Frank (perhaps my favorite handle), christ I'm probably forgetting someone else who's recent. Runelord used to be a lurker, and she's recently roped in her sis. JD lurked once upon a time, and who knows who else was lurking just last week. I want people to FIND this ongoing conversation and JOIN it. Hell, I don't even care if Orson wants to rejoin the conversation, as long as his every post doesn't become All About Orson again (which, really, is what *I* got fucking sick of--you ARE self-absorbed, O, and quite a bit of a bore in that way. When no one agrees with you or wants to talk about what YOU want to talk about, you get petulant, and, apparently, childishly vindictive). There's no membership requirement, no Minimum Tolkien Test, no franchism. No fucking secret society, no fucking In Crowd, no fucking deadline to enter. Posting on front page TBs where the Tail-end is hanging out now, so what? The only thing, the ONLY thing this TB-stretching child has done to piss me off is fucking with the whole site, with the stretching, banning and hosing, to fuck with us. (close your ears, ladies: Hey kid, THAT is what makes you a FUCKING PUSSY. Leave strangers out of it, you little bitch, bring your issues here or take em home with you.) Well FUCK HIM. I am NOT going to fucking SKULK because of one kid's bizarre grudge. I LIKE seeing new folx coming out of the woodwork. You gotta take the trolls with the gems, tho--can't have it both ways. So, what I'm getting at is, I'm outta here til post-Oscar (can't be helped, roadin' it) but come Monday I suggest we get back into the old pattern. I'd much rather we slide over to the King Kong/Howard Shore news on the front page at that time. ...Not the Oscar TB, that's just gonna be a cesspool. ;) See y'all Monday! And GO LOTR:ROTK at the Oscars! I wanna tie Ben-Hur! Let's get that SWEEP! *** Oop, one last Elanors(tm) suggestion? I say we shouldn't exclude the ROTK SEV from the matter. Who knows what competition might arise from a whole 'nother 55 minutes? So, how about setting a date for the Official Elanor Awards(tm) Ceremony--December 20th. FOTR opened the 17th, T2T on the 18th, ROTK on the 19th, so yet again a year and a day later--The Elanors(tm). As for a volunteer to tabulate the nominees and then the votes, I hereby UN-nominate Miami Mofo. The whole Florida thng. ;^D

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  • Feb 26, 2004 1:03:02 PM CST

    Light of truth shines through Cape Twirler's post and smacks con

    by skyway moaters

    Well-said Pallando. Let the chips fall where they may. My attempts at "protecting" our little enclave did little more than further the aims of the 'Tailender Terrorist'. All I've succeeded in doing is isolating us; fostering precisely the 'clubby' atmosphere The Blue Astari disparages, and that we've managed to avoid thus far. Forgive me I was misguided in my perceived loyalties. *** Let us take back the front page I say! Heed not to the hostiles - nor heed any Orsonilizations. Play by the rules and we have nothing to fear. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? HELL no. And it ain

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  • Feb 26, 2004 1:15:11 PM CST

    Alternate yodel for "Smeagol's Lament"...

    by skyway moaters

    ... *Shiyayiyayiyararar Bawawawawagaggins*

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  • Feb 26, 2004 1:33:05 PM CST

    Jeez, Pallando...

    by aliceinwonderlnd

    You're swoonworthy when you're mad... ;) Oh, and hello peeps! Yeah, I remember Elaine, and you, Sabster. "I can remember the Shire..."

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  • Feb 26, 2004 1:41:55 PM CST

    I agree with the Blue Wiz

    by morgoth

    I really don

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  • Feb 26, 2004 1:50:32 PM CST

    Hear, hear Pallando!

    by raw_bean

    I'm with you on all points. In fact, I make bid now to host the official December 20th 2004 Elanors ceremony on ClubAngband.com! What say you, peeps? :^)

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  • Feb 26, 2004 1:51:17 PM CST

    Damnit, 'make MY bid'

    by raw_bean

  • Feb 26, 2004 2:32:44 PM CST

    What??? I'm out of another job???

    by miami mofo

    Frist, no more Weekly Wednesday Countdowns and now NO MORE VOTE COUNTING? Oh the pain, the pain. Anyway, I'm with ya P.B. I never liked this backtracing business - time moves forward not back, so I'll shout down those trolls till I'm blue in the face! Or, better yet, I'll just let you do the shouting, cause blue IS your color. Now regarding that 'rag' of a publication you work for, waddya mean go out and buy a copy? Can't you just steal one for me and mail it? ***And now it's time to take the Sooty one's advise and actually post over at King Kong instead of just lurking.

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  • Feb 26, 2004 4:23:19 PM CST

    "Good natured whimsy and honest discussion"?

    by pontsing barset

    Hoo laws, that's a gut buster for sure. Har har har. You are delusional my dear troll...

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  • Feb 26, 2004 5:06:48 PM CST

    Welly well well Elanor3

    by morgoth

  • Feb 26, 2004 6:30:21 PM CST

    You

    by runelord

    A fine gentile Tyke, and mind the company

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  • Feb 26, 2004 7:04:36 PM CST

    Hahahahahahaha!

    by raw_bean

    "good-natured whimsy and honest disussion", heehee. Like the time you accused some of us of attacking your right to free speech because we disagreed with you and asked you to clarify your opinion? I don't know, Orson, I wish you could hear how funny you sound from my perspective. However, that's all the attention I'm giving you today, wouldn't want to spoil you. *chuckles - 'good natured whimsy', hehe* :)

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  • Feb 26, 2004 7:08:43 PM CST

    What the bloody 'ell's goin' on 'ere?

    by yorkshirebuck

    Bugger me if it don't seem to be me Wynn speaking ahta the lips er that Rune lass! Wynn love? Is that you? Have ye died in a tragic mishap, an' possesed this 'ere Runelord to impart yer final message o'love to me 'fore ye go to yer rest? Tell me true lass, what's goin' on? :(

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  • Feb 26, 2004 7:27:25 PM CST

    Pallando, don't listen to Runelord!!

    by morgoth

    Rail on my brother! Let NOONE deny you your speech! And brother mortsleam, if you do leave us, then I will have no choice but to start calling you Flipper again! ** Hello to everyone else and especially to any lurkers who might be out there, frightened to death at the drama on display here. Give a hoot and speak up. Talk about The Return of the King or whatever you want to...even the good-natured whimsy of Hobbits.

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  • Feb 26, 2004 7:55:08 PM CST

    THAT was really weird.

    by runelord

    Here I am just sitting at my computer when suddenly there's some wacky deja vu going on. The next thing I know I

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  • Feb 26, 2004 11:33:39 PM CST

    so

    by djinnj

    what's with all the drama? I thought everyone just wanted to move to a shorter tb 'cause the other one was too long to read easily what w/all the recent hosing. ---- Just got the rest of my LotR coin collection. Too too lovely. ---- I keep trying to rembember something I wanted to mention about the film, and I keep forgetting before I get around to posting. Must be senility.... One thing I recall from the book is how we leave Frodo's POV and shift to Sam's towards the end, but that's neither here nor there.... ---- Nat! glad you liked it! I must do that color combo again, nice contrast.... ---- If this is terse and disjointed, it's 'cause I'm supposed to be working on a paper right now. ---- Miami, get bigger shelves. ---- Everyone ready for Sunday?

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  • Feb 27, 2004 12:43:32 AM CST

    Well I've said it before but it still works,

    by conan_the_humble

    Elanor3, you're a stoopid head. Cheers.

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  • Feb 27, 2004 1:59:05 AM CST

    Bravo Pallando!

    by elanor

    And bravo Moaters for your noble
    efforts, too. I know your motives were pure but I do agree even more with Pallando. We are strong enough to stand the light of day and the slings and arrows of trolls. Forth Tailenderlings! To the Kong tb!

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  • Feb 27, 2004 8:47:16 AM CST

    Surely we're not hosed again?

    by elaine

    My other posts all seem to be going to the end of their respective talkbacks (hi there, Mort, Rune and Bean!), so there's no reason why two hosed posts in the past twelve hours should mean this Tailend is hosed, too. Seriously, guys, keep posting. Your posts will be found. **** New Elanor category (for whenever we get round to voting): most sensational combination of sound and vision. You all know my nomination for that one, but I have to say, the Great Hall of Moria makes a very good runner-up. Any other takers?

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  • Feb 27, 2004 8:48:53 AM CST

    Ah. Seems we ARE hosed.

    by elaine

    Very strange. But as I said, keep posting. New posts WILL be found.

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  • Feb 27, 2004 9:53:40 AM CST

    Crimminy Pallando!

    by pontsing barset

    I bleave youre rite but I wer only fynding a playce to hang until the inev table Oscar TB (win or lose(knock on wood)) It were Moaters what got wyndit up about that Elanor2 barset and pickt the tyme to moovit. Moaters sayit he seent the lyte. Wel wewl see... That's my tel keap you wel...

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  • Feb 27, 2004 10:36:49 AM CST

    I'm not here, this isn't happening

    by mortsleam

    That's what happens with them disembodied 100 year old antebellum spirits, Rune. Look the other way and they take control of your peron and make you do the strangest things. But I'm not here, so pretend this never happened. "That there, that's not me/I go where I please/I walk through walls/I float down the Liffey/I

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  • Feb 27, 2004 1:49:43 PM CST

    hoping and wishing

    by the swede

    Well, that

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  • Feb 27, 2004 2:51:39 PM CST

    Now don

    by wynn

  • Feb 27, 2004 3:19:38 PM CST

    Erp, he's at it again on the front page...

    by pontsing barset

    ... you'd think he'd get bored or something. Same tired old nonsense...

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  • Feb 27, 2004 4:27:46 PM CST

    Whassa tailender?

    by iamjacksuserid

    Is it people who have conversations at the tailend of talkbacks, hence thy title? kthxbye

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  • Feb 27, 2004 5:23:26 PM CST

    A lurker no more.....

    by manaqua

    I too was wondering what a 'tailender' is. And is it safe to assume 'hosed' means some knob has stretched the talkback like the one that directed me here? Strange goings on. cheers. M

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  • Feb 27, 2004 8:13:49 PM CST

    Hi there, guys-who-are-wondering-what-a-Tailender-is.

    by raw_bean

    IAmJack'sUserID, love the handle, btw. :^) ----- A Tailender is a Lord of the Rings fan, who hangs around chatting on the 'tailend' of any LOTR Talkback long after most people have moved on to pastures new. We're kind of an informal club or social group, with only a love of LOTR in common, for the most part. We also had the incredible gall to disagree with a guy calling himself Orson, who now makes it his mission to fuck up the latest AICN articles and try and piss us off, all because we didn't agree with him when he said the LOTR films had as much depth and subtlety as Pearl Harbour or Armageddon. In his rather pathetic mission to 'bring us down', Orson has posed as one of us and tried to anger people into visiting whichever Talkback we're currently posting on, and flaming us. You two represent so far his biggest sucess, but as you've been friendly and polite I don't think he's doing too well.....

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  • Feb 28, 2004 12:50:25 AM CST

    Hi Manaqua.

    by runelord

    A hosed TB is one where the new posts appear mixed into old posts, like this wonderful TB we

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  • Feb 28, 2004 3:33:18 AM CST

    anyone up for a road trip to Pittsburgh in July?

    by djinnj

    Hmmmmmm? A certain concert with a certain composer/conductor with a certain Symphony in 6 movements? 7/31-32....

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  • Feb 28, 2004 3:34:42 AM CST

    Botheration!

    by djinnj

    this hosing is really starting to get my ungulate. So, where will THIS on go?

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  • Feb 28, 2004 1:54:35 PM CST

    Unhosed?

    by elaine

    As if I haven't got anything better to do on a Saturday night than to check whether a talkback functions normally. Tsh.

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  • Feb 28, 2004 1:56:18 PM CST

    Yep, we're unhosed!

    by elaine

    Looks like my unorthodox way of spending a dull Saturday night wasn't entirely useless, after all.

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  • Feb 28, 2004 2:13:00 PM CST

    And if I may make a suggestion...

    by elaine

    I think we SHOULD start voting for the Elanors, just a few categories every week, just to make sure we have something to talk about until the EE is released. If the added scenes on the EE come with voteworthy moments (say, white-shirted-Faramir moments, or testosterone-laden Eomer scenes) we can always recast our votes later. For let's face it, we haven't got much else to talk about at the moment, have we? Other than our friend Orson, that is...

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  • Feb 28, 2004 5:45:35 PM CST

    Lost & confused hobbitess found wandering near Tuckborough!

    by pippin's diamond

    Hullo, y'all! Well, I'm lost... Sorry I couldn't return, but college caught up with me again... *sigh* I've been lurking ever since but it's kinda hard to find you sometimes. Anyway, a big hullo to everybody! I was wondering about ClubAngband.com... (Dot Com?? Huh?), so I emailed raw bean about it. Well, what's new? What are the Elanor awards (did I get that right?) and how can I cast my vote? Nam

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  • Feb 28, 2004 6:10:32 PM CST

    Welcome back, Pip's Diamond!

    by elaine

    You wanted to know about the Elanors? Well, a while ago we decided to award our own "Lord of the Rings" Oscars, to be called the Elanors, after the delightful person (not to be confused with the veeeeeery annoying impostor who has hijacked her name) who came up with the idea. At some point we will be casting votes for Best Hobbit, Best Elf, Best Orc, Best Human, Best Swoon (Male and Female), Best Swoop, Best Original Tolkien Line, Best Transplanted Tolkien Line, Best Absolutely-Not-In-The-Book Line, Best Line in Elvish, Most Beautiful Smile, Greatest Swordfight, Best Action Scene, Most Poignant Moment, Greatest Nod to Geeks and a heap of other things. The problem is, we don't know when to start voting. Some people think we should wait until after the "Return of the King" EE has been released; others (mainly myself, it seems!) think we should start now, and start all over again should the "Return of the King" EE feature scenes that might radically alter the outcome of the voting. What do you think? :-)

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  • Feb 29, 2004 2:51:21 PM CST

    This

    by skyway moaters

    .. [They] are STILL at it on the front page. Who gets pissed off enough to spend this much time fucking up something as trivial as a movie message board? This cat's looking pretty freaky from where I'm sitting just now...

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  • Feb 29, 2004 5:11:37 PM CST

    how to disappear completely

    by tv's frank

    I would vote to do the awards now and then a revised awards in december. Because, why not? Actually my reason is that I like to wait until christmas to get the extended edition. Otherwise, what else is there to look forward to? But that is my own problem.

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  • Feb 29, 2004 10:56:46 PM CST

    FOTR Oscar record broken!

    by elanor

    Well, if they win nothing else tonight, at least ROTK has won more Oscars than Fellowship and that is a marvellous thing! I am so nervous I could scream. I decided the only thing to do is get drunk so we have opened a bottle of champagne that I got more than a year ago for Christmas. It tastes great and we will either drown our sorrows or open another one! Go ROTK!

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  • Mar 01, 2004 4:49:27 AM CST

    Just my luck...

    by elaine

    I decide NOT to stay up for the Oscars for once, and what happens? "The Return of the Kings" wins every category in which it was nominated. Bloody hell. By which I mean, whoa. Utterly fantastic. **** The BBC just showed some live footage from the Vanity Fair party, where a decidedly drunk Ian McKellen explained why it was so good for "The Return of the King" to have won so many Oscars. He couldn't stand still; he was hopping around like mad, gesticulating wildly and looking just ever so slightly out of it. As the BBC presenter said afterwards, it was good to see McKellen "enjoying himself". **** Did anyone (Bean? Alice?) catch the "Ian-McKellen-does-the-BBC" night a week and half ago? It was kind of spooky, really. First he was on "Have I Got News for You" on BBC2; then, just minutes afterwards, he appeared on Parkinson on BBC1, where he announced he found heterosexuals "absolutely fascinating" to the delight of his host, his fellow guests and the entire audience. As short as it was, it was a very entertaining talkshow appearance. **** Anyway, now that the Oscars are done with, I think we should move on to the Elanor ceremony, which we know will be a "Lord of the Rings" clean sweep, too. Natch.

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  • Mar 01, 2004 6:09:57 AM CST

    "It's a clean sweep!!!!!!!!!"

    by miami mofo

    Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined that. Congratulations Peter, Fran, Philippa, Barrie, the cast, the crew, the entire population of New Zealand (especially you BG), and last but not least, the third Orc from the left, whomever you may be.

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  • Mar 02, 2004 7:56:39 PM CST

    Hey folks, let's gather here...

    by morgoth

    ...at #17084. T70 sent me and I don't care about the stalker.

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  • Mar 04, 2004 5:54:02 AM CST

    Well, er, LAST, I suppose

    by elaine

  • Mar 04, 2004 10:14:44 AM CST

    You sure Elaine?

    by mortsleam

    "L" ta tha "A-S-T."

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  • Mar 04, 2004 12:59:36 PM CST

    Quite sure, Mort

    by elaine

  • Jun 13, 2006 4:35:29 PM CDT

    Last

    by mortsleam

    I thought about leaving this one unmolested, for purely sentimental reasons, then I thought, "Fuck it." My word that was strange business up there. Hard to believe I once took it all so seriously. And that anybody could have wasted even more time on this place than I have.

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