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MATRIX REVOLUTIONS trailer hits!
Hey folks, Harry here... I guess one of the most annoying things about some TalkBackers is their inability to understand that because one finds a fault with something, it doesn't mean that person doesn't like it. Sure I had many issues with MATRIX RELOADED, but I did see it 3 times in theaters. I do like it and will own it on DVD. There are even moments I love, and when I see a trailer like the one below for MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, I hope that the film will knock me for a ride in which my toes won't touch the ground for the roughly two plus hours that it'll be playing. I'm not reading the spoilers for the third one, because I don't want to know. I want to love it, badly, because I didn't love the second one the way I loved the first. Too high of expectations? Probably. The massive science fiction scale of some of the images in this one really have me dying to see it. Those enormous machines... what are they? I don't want to know, till I see the film, but I love them already! I wonder what Keanu thought of KILL BILL VOL 1... he's seen it, I wonder if he thinks Uma can kick his ass? Hmmmm... We'll probably never know. Check out the trailer... looks pretty badass, even if it looks like there won't be any vampires or werewolves...
Click here to catch MATRIX REVOLUTIONS
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okay.
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How can someone who could care less about matrix be first?
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and che.
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...it's been the best film this summer. I can't work out where a big Smith-Neo face off fits in to my predictions for the plot in Revolutions (despite looking COOL), which hopefully means the Wachowskis have pulled a great big switch on us. Maybe.
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I want to see him dead at the end of that movie.............
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RELOADED was boring bucket of watery ass.
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I'm at work and my crappy computer doesn't have quicktime. I mean is this the stone age or something? Saying that, I really should be working rather than surfing the net. I'll bet this is proper bo though. Sigh...
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Aug 21, 2003 7:21:30 AM CDT
If the spoilers are correct, this film will be the greatest thir
by silver_joo
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Aug 21, 2003 7:48:35 AM CDT
Building Bridges To A Better, Mosquito-Free World, One Rodeo At
by ed mcbain
The feckin' thing isn't downloading. The connection keeps reseting.
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Here's the Wachowski's very own ROTJ. It'll be one three way battle. Trinity and Morpheus and the Seraph taking on the Merovingian and Persephone, the Zionites taking on the machines in the real world and Neo and Agent Smith in a one on one fight to the death. Here's hoping there's no Ewoks. Anyway the trailer looks great, the music kicks ass and I for one, snarky comments aside, can't wait to see this.
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Can't watch it ("the data that plugin requested did not download succesfully"), can't download it to my harddrive ("the connection the the server was reset"). Just me?
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Same error messages. What do you expect from a movie about machines ruling the world and rogue programs running around causing problems?
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I just said it wasn't working for me. Jeesh. Anyway I'm getting it from Kazaa, it's up there already.
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This'll be the greatest movie ever, Reloaded is the best movie I've seen this year along with Pirates Of The Caribbean, prepare to drool Harry!!
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...but I still think that Reloaded was the biggest dissapointment of the year. After the stupendous joy I felt at the end of the original Matrix (although I had this vision of James Cameron and William Gibson going to see the film together, and after Morpheus's exposition about what the Matrix is, both of them standing up and shouting 'you bastards!') I had that Episode 1 kind of feeling after coming out of the cinema. I even went to see it a couple of extra times to make sure it wasn't as dull as I thought it was. Ah, well, eh? However, I do know how the trilogy ends - Tron appears and kicks the shit out of Neo with a glowing frisbee. You heard it here first, folks.
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Aug 21, 2003 8:21:10 AM CDT
Harry, you wouldn't get so much crap over Reloaded if you didn't
by minderbinder
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Server's being swamped. Give it a few days and try again.
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This is not a new trailer. This is the UK trailer that was shown in front of T3. Thanks, I just downloaded 32mb for nothing. And what the fuck are the Wachowski's at with S&M in THE MATRIX. They were great family films up till now.
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Comingsoon.net got this a week ago.
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...my boys are ending this thing with a bang. I heard there is a 17 minute finale on the post-nuclear earth with Noe surronding by old decaying churches. Even you Matrix haters can't tell me that trailer didn't kick ass.
I think people who shitted on Reloaded forgot that it was one half of a long movie. Revolutions is the climax and I will be climaxing on Nov. 5th.
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Aug 21, 2003 9:07:18 AM CDT
Hey Bladerunnerunit, Bad Boys 2 is not that bad. It's a fun act
by smoothbrother
Honest, c'mon dog, have I ever been wrong...this week?
November 5th is too far away.
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'I think people who shitted on Reloaded forgot that it was one half of a long movie' --- Yeah, the shit half.
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Aug 21, 2003 9:23:55 AM CDT
Shut the fuck up about kill bill for once you stupid fat ginger
by deadzone
see subject line
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reloaded was ok...
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Deadzone- Is that in reference to that space between your ears?
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Aug 21, 2003 9:46:19 AM CDT
I guess one of the most annoying things about some fat disgustin
by ftf5
is their delusions of grandeur and their desire to piss on the people who made them what little they are. Fuck you Harry. Mr Intellectual. You pissed on part 2. Who are you to piss on us for calling you on it? You hate guys like PTA and you hated the Matrix 2 but you line up to talk about this AD NAUSEUM. Shut the fuck up already. I mean, shit, how bad were movies like ATOC and Godzilla but you hyped them anyway. You are just a little movie hyping bitch with NO integrity. Stop being pissed that WE KNOW IT NOW.
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Aug 21, 2003 9:46:32 AM CDT
The best part was when the thing came up and said the plugin wou
by rev_skarekroe
I hope the rest of the flick is that good! sk
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Actually Cameron was sued and lost over Terminator because he admitted to swiping someone elses work. And while Gibson had the uncanny ability to predict the tech that would be the net the humans trapped in an illusion thing is as old as greek myths.
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I have been coming here for years but never post. WTF is wrong with some of the people here? Aside from the low IQs and the bad grammar? It seems that no matter what Harry posts about some people will fire up their keyboards just to attack whatever he is saying. Like yesterday, Harry wrote about how awful Masked & Anonymous was. He really trashed the film. Obviously he thought it was so bad it wasn't worth analyzing. I can certainly understand that. He said the script was awful and so was the acting. But immediately people start screaming: "Harry WTF is wrong with you!!! Why don't you write a review! Why didn't you like it, exactly?"
What idiots. What, you HAVE to come to AICN for a review of a film? You don't know anywhere else to find a review? What is it with you people? The people who compalin about Harry and his writing style and his reviews are just losers who have nothing better to do because their own lives are so empty. You're probably jealous of Harry's success. Yes, he is successful by the way. How many of you would like to get to go to film shoots as often as he does. Like New Zealand for PJ's LotR.
Anyway, just had to get that off my chest. I know there are probably a few here who agree with me. As for the rest of you who will attack whatI am saying, have a nice day, chill. Do something productive with your lives. -
Aug 21, 2003 9:51:36 AM CDT
'I think people who shitted on Reloaded forgot that it was one h
by beastie bat
Fucking hilarious.
I don't know about everyone here but every film i've seen this year has left me feeling hallow. X2 was good but left me empty, T3 was great but again it seemed needless, Reloaded blew me away and sucked dick hard, Bruce Almighty was a piece of shit and i can't be bothered to watch Hulk coz even if my mates and my Brother say it's great i am not wasting 2 hours 45 mins or whatever of my life. I'll be seeing Pirates though coz Depp is King.... -
Harry basically calls us all annoying, you go on to point out all of his shortcomings (a critic who takes bribes like a crackhead and then attempts to take the moral highground with the bullshit pretense of "fair reviews") and then you wonder why we bash him???? He can't write, he's amatuerish, he has no ethics, and he pisses on his fanbase. Is that reason enough to hate him??????? Wait until he and Mori start chiding you for downloading movies. Its wrong. Not wrong like sneaking on a set but REALLY wrong because Harry doesn't benefit anf that is the definition of wrong.
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Why aren't the Wachowskis doing SUPERMAN? Or Takashi Miike, for that matter?
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Not only that but he called CHARLIE'S ANGELS 2 a masterpiece and McG a great director.
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Good job playing it off with a chuckle about there not being any vampires or werewolves. LOL. You were genuinely annoyed with, no I take that back, you were downright pissed at Reloaded. And now you say that there were parts that you love? Where was that in your review? I read nothing in that review about loving any particular scene. All that was written was disgust. Pathetic. I'm not a Matrix fanboy by the way, there were parts of the CGI I thought looked terrible! But it was a cool film and I thought the way they handled the vampires and werewolves was very cool (it would have been stupid any other way). Cool film. Bad review. Just admit you were wrong.
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So much for the warner bros. server... try this URL instead:
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/m/matrix3.php
SFROMG
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Harry, Your review for matrix reloaded was too harsh. It didnt deserve that kinda review, compared to the really bad movies that came out this year. I feel this was due to peoples OWN expectations of the movie in their imagination instead of accepting it for the movie it was.
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The Keymaker? I just kept thinking of Ricky M. Flick could have used him. And couldn't Keanu have gotten in at least one comedy kick to the balls somewhere along the line? Ample opportunity, sorely missed. I left the theatre a broken man. And now I hear the red locust harvest season was slow this year, too? Just my luck.
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So why do you come here then,huh? If you hate Harry so much why come here? You're pathetic. Harry never said he was a " critic." Just because you have a web site and write reviews does not mean you are a "critic." Ebert is a critic. Pauline Kael was a critic. Anthony Lane is a critic. Harry is a fanboy geek with a Web site, don't you get it?
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Aug 21, 2003 10:24:50 AM CDT
Get a download manager that has the capability to "resume".
by eraser_x
I used the software "Getright", and it downloaded the *.mov file for me. The connection to the server was broken and resumed well over 20 times. I read the URL for the *.mov file (to tell Getright) from the bottom status bar of my browser when I first tried and failed to view the trailer in the browser.
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Yes, I know about the law suit, it was Harlan Ellison, and the end result had the words 'acknowledgment to the works of Harlan Ellison' added to the end credits. And Gibson's work might be derivative of these dream thingies, but the overall concept was totally new. So, what we're saying now is that the Wachowski's work is the umpteenth rip-off of an original idea - Jesus, that's even worse!
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Per request, I went back and read the Reloaded review again. Technically yes, Harry did in fact say that he enjoyed the film. 99% of the review seems to rip the film to shreds though. Nonetheless, I admit I was wrong. He did say that he enjoyed it. Whoops.
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A solution, the next article Harry writes that contains the words KILL BILL in sequence, NO ONE respond to it in Talkback. Do we give a rat's ass what the fuck Reeves thought of KILL BILL? No. No we fucking don't. What's more. Keanu would kick the shit out of Uma before she could grab her sword. Keanu trained for 15 months and did all his fucking stunts. Uma "trained" for how long? Her "moves" don't look impressive and I'm going to guess about 50% of it was a stuntperson. I for one believe Sliver when he says Keanu can take Jet Li. Yes, Keanu could whop his ass as well. Keanu is the man. No more fucking KILL BILL shit in MATRIX or any other kung-fu related films, because KILL BILL is a kung-fu WANNABE.
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All I know is, there's a bunch of people who come to these talkbacks and flame Harry, no matter what the fuckin' guy says. For one, I'm willing to bet the dick that I have in your mother's mouth that all of you faggots who come here talking shit check the site daily to see what's going on in the movie biz. Secondly, if you don't like the site or the people that run it, move on to the next one or start your own! Lastly, I think a bunch of you hormonally challenged pussies are just jealous of the fact that Harry has actually become successful with a simple idea of a site. People are here dissing him, saying he's not a critic while the guy has appeared on "At the Movies" with Roger Ebert, reviewing movies. And as for Matrix Reloaded, I may not have disliked it as much as he did but I see his point as to it not living up to the insanely high bar that the first one set. Harry has his opinions and God knows that I disagree with a lot of them but you know what? That's life. Y'all need to realize that dissing Harry while you're visiting the site on a regular basis makes you not only an ingrate but a wet rag pussy ass bitch. Stop hating!
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First- I ain't defending the Wachowskis. It was a rip off but Gibson and Cameron borrowed from others as well. As long as its done with style and the previous influence is taken in a fresh direction I'm ok with it. I think Matrix 1 was a case of that where as 2 was a case of these guys just ripping anything they could. And Adorn you cockmonster. I used to hit this site 100 times a day now I come once a week if that. SO fuck off with the don't like it don't come. If you don't like America leave it shit. Whats the point of freedom then dickwad! Its also funny how you get all offended over Harrys fat ass and immediatly resort to name calling. Its like you take it personal or some shit. Maybe you should worry about your OWN life a little more. And Harry does consider himself a critic who looks at movies in a way we couldn't understand...through gravy caked eyes. So go fuck yourself douchbag.
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Thats not someones mothers ass that's Moris pussy you have your dick in, you vulgar little twat. You loser slaves can't even defend him without resorting to name calling. What a sad buncgh of fucking robots you all are. And numerous people have started sites to rip down AICN. And if I want to know about holyowood I'd read Variety and DH asspirate. Now go back to sucking adorns ballsack.
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Run for the hills. The offensive black on white typed words on the above posts will suck your brains out! Jesus, it's true what they say about the internet - you can be an asshole in total anonymity. I don't come here to read Harry's reviews, I come here to see if there's any scoops or rumours, and to read what other talkbackers think or know or are interested in. And if the above is the level of service then I shall take my business elsewhere, young sir, to another talkack where I can comfortably talk about something important. Like the tits on that bird from 24. Good day to you, sir! (PS Reloaded sucks willies! *hee hee*)
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THE MATRIX RELOADED was two and a half hours of my life I'll never get back. A vapid waste of time. You want to know why? Because the makers did exactly what I expected them to do, then pissed on nearly everything they did in the first film for the sake of trying to make a "bigger" version of the same thing all over again. At the end of THE MATRIX, Neo was a _god._ He could pull apart programs, agents, and the physical reality at will. If he can do that, why in the Hell would he engage in Kung-Fu? Why would 100, or even 1,000 Agent Smiths be an obstacle? "Upgrades?" Please. It's a lazy screenwriter's _weak_ attempt at a way out. Why is Morpheus suddenly able to stand against an "upgraded" agent on top of that truck, when the first film told us _over and over again_ that no human except Neo could stand against an agent? We even _saw_ Morpheus get beat down like a dog! So what we get is the cinema version of falling back to punt. Why did they do it? Because it was _too hard_ to come up with something new, to really push the boundaries. Add to that the fact that the action sequences were just plain _dull._ The "burly brawl" was just an unending mess! I'm not even talking about the effects, which I will _always_ forgive if the story is compelling. That fight went on, and on, and _never_ gave us anything new or fun to look at, just guys in dark suits getting thrown around. Plus, the stupid things that happened just so they could put in another fight, why would Neo have to fight the Oracle's guardian? The film _tells_ us they knew he was comming! This franchise has left it's inspiration behind, and become a soulless series of kung-fu fights. Don't even get me started on the Architect, becuase while there _may_ have been interesting things going on there, the _horrid_ Star Trek-level technobabble, and the uninspired, uncinematic way it was shot made it damn near unwatchable. Will I see REVOLUTIONS? Yes. Once. I do want to see how it ends, and I'd like to think they can bring it back, but nothing in either this trailer or at the end of RELOADED gave me much hope.
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First off, I think our main problem was with the unfair review harry gave to matrix revolutions. His review showed a personal disappointment to what he felt he should have seen in Reloaded instead of reviewing it for the movie it was. IF we heard Ebert n Roper Cry that there were no Werewolves and Vampires in the movie , what would we all think? Harry was too critical to one of the good movies this summer.
Then theres people who can say things like "thats 2 1/2 hours I will never get back in my life" I think people who say that have lost sight as to why we watch movies in the first place. A movie takes us away from the fucked up world we live in and gives us time to get away, to focus our attention on something else, yet there are a few out there who just seem to never be satisfied with any movie out there.The same people posting about matrix have posted their disgust with films like The Hulk, BAd boys 2, Pirates of the carribean, and just seem to never be happy and able to discern whats really a BAD movie and whats a good missing just missing enough to make it great.
have you guys seen Dumb n Dumberer this year? now THATS a BAD movie.
As for Neos powers and why he just didnt use his godlike powers to destroy everything, reloaded explained how his powers were actually part of the program given to him to be the one, he was being used by the machines. He still didnt know what he had to do, and upgrades is totally reasonable if you had seen the animatrix to understand how the machines work.
From harrys review you could almost expect everyone having superman powers, doing as they will. you guys gotta realize matrix isnt about all that. Its a movie with a deep story, something that most hollywood blockbusters are missing,
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Matrix Reloaded...a reminder. Let's hope things are better...Overall Mark for Matrix Reloaded i'd say 6.5/10============================================== Firstly I'd give the W Brothers kudos for trying to make something with a more substantial story than the first film, of course in this they alienate the pop corn crowd, but they get my vote=========================================Secondly i'd say that by the end of the film I'm hooked and I really want to see how this all ends, which you can't say about some ongoing stories out there, meesa thinks.======================================== Thirdly there were some great technical fight scenes in the film. The one with the multitudinous agent Smiths (ooops I've caught Architect speech) and the one with the french programmes agents. I didn't spot any distracting CGI in these bits which were evident in say filsm like Blade 2.=============================================== Problems, Problems , Problems. Well firstly there is an air of pomposity from a number of characters that really bugs me. Chief amongs these being Neo and Morpheus. I mean how could you seriously follow these two pompous bastards anywhere. Theres a huge sense of relief when pople lik Hugo Weaving or Anthony Zerba (?) are on screen because these seem like real people..and Smiths a computr programm ==================================Pretentious twaddle. Well MTV's skit of the Architect was so spot on that there is nothing to add her. What a ridiculous load of old crap he did spout.=================================================Fight scenes. I've mentioned the technical greatness of some of these but did they have any of the emotional ooomph of Neo's fight with Smith n the first film..I think not. And the freeway chase was particularly disappointing from an emotional point of view. It veered strongly to boredom by the end.===========================================SPOILER===I'll end on a positive note by saying that the idea that maybe they are not in the real world at any time (yet!) really gives the story somewhere to go that could be hugely satisfying. (Though it did strike me that this particular idea has been used very strongly before in the "Squid of Despair episode of Red Dwarf.) Overall I think the film makers were ambitious in what thy chose to do but the execution was somewhat lacking..I still have high hopes for the Matrix Revolutions if they can invest in some emotion for the film. Good effort, coul do better.
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Ok, his powers are part of the program...Why could he use them in the first film? Why are they _suddenly,_ and without real explanation, _gone?_ Why can he still fly? Answer: Lazy screenwriters. It was too hard to think up something new, and yet that flying bit looks _so cool_ on screen...And you're telling me I have to go _buy_ ANAMATRIX to understand RELOADED? Boy, and people bitch about Lucas...As for movies being an escape from reality, true enough, but when I lay down my hard-earned cash, I want a _good_ escape from reality. I want one that plays by the rules that had already been established, rather than throwing them away so that we can have "MORE KUNG FU!!!"...Also, don't lump me into a convienient pile for you. I _loved_ HULK and PIRATES, and thought BAD BOYS was contemptable. The death tolls for any form of art is when people start accepting any piece of crap beacuse it's there. There is good, and there is bad. As for DUMB & DUMBERER, it probably was a worse film, but nobody who made it was trumpeting themselves as people who would "change movies forever." (That's right, I'm looking at _you,_ Gaeda.) This is all, of course, my opinion, you're entitled to your own.
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Aug 21, 2003 2:15:27 PM CDT
Good to see I'm not the only one who doesn't give a shit about t
by cabron
The second one sucked.
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I have seen Harry refer to himself as a critic many times on this site. I have also seen him say that he is not. Those who criticize Harry about acting accordingly because he is a critic do have a valid point. "Fans" don't go to press screenings. You can give Harry a lot of crap about various things (and quite honestly he deserves much of it), but you can't take away what he's done. He was in the right place at the right time, and he parlayed it into a job that many would kill for even though he has no "formal qualifications." I think there is a lot of jealousy out there, 'cause who wouldn't want a job that requires no work that most people wouldn't do for free. Kudos to Harry for what he's accomplished, even if I don't agree with him, or think what he does is right. He's achieved a moderate level of fame (if you ask 100 random people if they've ever heard of him I would guess that four or five would have), but is by no means famous. And he's done all this by writing about what he loves, movies. The point is this site has both Harry haters and sycophants who defend him, and I would guess that he wants both here, because a hit is a hit. And a hit is money.
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... Along with Open Range. While Pirates, Nemo and X2 were very solid movies, there really is no depth. Glad to see the Bros did something right and didn't fall into the vapid junk that every other movie this summer has fell into. I had my doubts going into Reloaded, but now I have no worries for Revolutions.
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Why doesn't neo just blow things up, why does he use kung fu? This for some strange reason seems to be the
predominant hurdle in most folks minds. Well, remembering the lessons from the first film "There is no spoon" being one of them I put it out of my head that what I'm seeing inside the matrix is "real". There is no hand, there is no leg, there is no kung fu, there is only billions of bits of information. I assume we are being shown Martial arts simply because the directors and a lot of folks feel that that is the pinnacle of "physical" combat. Guns and Knives are extensions of ourselves, and relative wise are only "extensions" of the programs as well, kind of like the plug-ins for Photoshop, Maya and 3d studio max are extensions of those programs. From this I deduced that that is probably the reason why the characters(programs) ultimately chose to grapple (interface) with one another. Now information gathered from reloaded plainly explained a very key bit of information. That information is simple this; this WHOLE SCENARIO HAS OCCURRED SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE. This is something the machines EXPECT to happen, NEED, to happen to maintain the cycle they have set in motion. THAT IN FACT THIS IS BUSINESS AS USUAL.
Neo has "Godlike" powers because they gave him these abilities. Lets hear that again THEY GAVE HIM HIS ABILITIES. I'm not going to go into how many OTHER things they could ALLOW to happen to facilitate this cycle because the list could be endless. You see that's what we writers like to call a literary loophole, you see any discrepancies that occur (and I'm not saying there are any) can easily be attributed to the machines goal of maintaining the cycle, you may not like it, but you can't defeat it either. NEXT, upgrades..I was not so quick to assume what exactly upgrades meant or entailed. I had factored that mabye it had to do with their "FIGHTING" ability but upon further exploration I noticed that did not necessarily have to be the case. My suspiscions were confirmed after combining what the Oracles protector said;(to truly know is to fight business) which basically means to directly interface with another program is how you truly know the program. When Agent Smith Interfaced with Neo and then tried to assimilate him, I realized that the "UPGRADES" given to the agents was probably so that NEO could not do to them what he did to Agent Smith. Some of you may cry " Well how come Agent Smith can do it to them?" The same reason Agent Smith is alive, he's a wild card, an unforseen anomaly, or an anomaly thats gone way out of control. I and many of my associates thought the Burly Brawl was poetry in motion, I can understand why some thought the battle with the Merovingians men was less than inspiring, all though this was the first battle with badguys other than the agents who could manipulate the matrix, ie defy grafity.. everyone was probably expecting
a little more flash, perhaps laser wire or a heat blast or something. My FAVORITE part was the part with the architect which may or may not give you an idea as to why I watch the movies. Oh, last but not least, I've heard complaints about some of scenes looking fake, I find this amusing, you do realize that this is a "VIRTUAL WORLD" you know, not REAL to begin with. Yeah it's hard to tell as long as everything is running in basic mode, but when people start moving at superhuman speeds and commanding "objects" do to things "real" objects can't do, how real does one expect it or them to look. In situations such as that, or any situation for that matter, what is real? -
ok gaeda shoulda never said that, his ego blew up as soon as he won that award, but don't you feel that the action scenes presented things that were never before seen in a movie before? I feel they did raise the bar with the action although at sometimes I felt there was too much "bullet time "effects during the freeway chase.
as for his powers, I don't understand what your really saying about his powers and lazy screenwriters, the matrix was originally written as a trilogy, the first movie had neo coming to terms that he is the one and finding out his power which he doesnt fully understand. Reloaded continues to explain this, it follows it. I get the feeling that people expected neo to be like a god and just dominate the fight scenes by just destroying code all over the place, if that would've happened I bet you would have complained about how lame THOSE fight scenes were. HEll that would'nt even BE a fight scene.
Truth is Neo was now fighting changes in the system and programs that had survived the system, he was beginning to learn that there was more to the matrix than what he thought and yet he still had no idea what he had to do.
To me thats not lazy screenwritting, thats just a story following up on the first matrix. Don't matter you dont have to love the matrix, but to say it was one of the worst films of the year, thats just ignorant. -
Aug 21, 2003 3:25:39 PM CDT
(if you ask 100 random people if they've ever heard of him I wou
by rasok19
I come here all the time, and aside from knowing someone named Harry runs this site, I have no idea who he is. Would I know him from a pic? Nope. Would I know him if I heard his last name (which I don't think I've ever heard)? Nope. I think 4 out of 5 random people probably wouldn't have a clue who he is, not the other way around.
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Aug 21, 2003 3:26:34 PM CDT
(if you ask 100 random people if they've ever heard of him I wou
by rasok19
I come here all the time, and aside from knowing someone named Harry runs this site, I have no idea who he is. Would I know him from a pic? Nope. Would I know him if I heard his last name (which I don't think I've ever heard)? Nope. I think 4 out of 5 random people probably wouldn't have a clue who he is, not the other way around.
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In order, for the cycle to be completed the illusion of a messianic figure needs to be established. The supposed destruction of one of the feared "Agents" is just what the doctor ordered.
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First of all, I _never_ said it was one of the worst films of the year. Did I _hate_ it? Yes. Are there worse films? Yes...As to the action scenes being groundbreaking, let's take the "burly brawl." I've seen films from the 70's that involved one man against many that were more concise, better choreographed, and more thrilling. Let's just take BILLY JACK for one. The "Burly Brawl?" Just plain Dull. The car chase? Well, I've seen fights on top of a semi before too. The freeway car chase in LEATHAL WEAPON 4 was actually more thrilling with similar materials...Yes, _now_ it's a trilogy. The W Bros might even have seen it that way in concept, but it suffers from the "unknown quantity" syndrome. When they made THE MATRIX, no one knew it's be a hit. They let Neo go much further in his development than if they had _known_ there would be a sequel. In that (preferable) situation, I'd lay dollars to doughnuts Neo wouldn't have been "The One" until the middle of the second film. So, instead of sitting down and burning some midnight oil to figure out a way to use this to further the story and move it to another level, they take the easy out, and basically _ignore_ everything but the flying. They keep that because it's visually striking. There's ways to still challenge Neo, even with his powers, but you have decide that the story is more important than Kung Fu antics. Think outside the box, as it were. That's what the whole thing's supposed to be about, right?
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Aug 21, 2003 3:56:11 PM CDT
Nothing about a movie matters to me except one thing: Am I enter
by magyarman
.....and I was not entertained by Matrix Reloaded. I was looking at my watch for almost the whole movie, although I will say that towards the very end I started to perk up a little. "Well, then you just aren't as intellectual as us fanboys who LOVED Reloaded, so THERE! You just didn't 'get' it! You're just a little kid with no attention span!" Actually, I have absolutely loved movies with far less action in them than Reloaded. And come to think of it I have loved movies with far more action in them than Reloaded. I'm really not biased against movies like this, I mean I thoroughly enjoyed the first one. I mean, I'm not trying to imply that simply because I wasn't entertained by this movie, it's a bad movie, but it seems like there are a lot of people like me out there. As far as I'm concerned, Reloaded didn't deliver the goods.
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...not a rip against the Revolutions trailer, but just trailers in general. It seems the current theory is, if you add opera music to a trailer it automatically makes the movie cool.
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I have to comment on this quote...>>Truth is Neo was now fighting changes in the system and programs that had survived the system, he was beginning to learn that there was more to the matrix than what he thought and yet he still had no idea what he had to do. To me thats not lazy screenwritting, thats just a story following up on the first matrix.<<...See, what I call that is layering on a bunch of stuff that _seems_ to point to deeper meaning to cover up the fact that all you have in your cinematic bag of tricks is CGI-enhanced chop-socky.
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Aug 21, 2003 4:15:25 PM CDT
Rasok, I think the first post is saying that 4 or 5 out of 100 p
by fluffyunbound
And that is probably true, what with Horatio Sanz playing him on Saturday Night Live and all. Oh, and by the way, Reloaded sucked. Sorry.
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Aug 21, 2003 4:21:41 PM CDT
MAtrix is dead...looks like the same pile of crap as the 2nd one
by bong
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so much for "This generations Star Wars".....hahahaha
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YOUR HYPOCRITES!!!! ALL OF YEAH!!!! (From Groundhog Day)
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just as Reloaded was doomed from the get go. there is no way to meet or surpass the expectaions. It didnt help that Joel Silver was on TV or in print hyping the movie to a point where our collective expectations were so far out there it would be impossible to reach. If Reloaded was a dissapointment its his fault. He said things like " the bar has been risen so high there is no bar" and by declaring 2003 "the year of the Matrix" (thats a bold statement) you've gone too far. you didnt see Bruckheimer, Mostow or Lassestter saying anything like that. nor did you see them flaunt the effects. Reloaded had a built in audience he didnt have to hype it up as much as he did.
And to make matters worse the movie didnt deliver. Even if you take away the hype, its not a good film (though it has a few good moments).
i only have to use 3 things from the movie to make my point. The opening dream sequence (you cant begin a movie with a dream sequence, unless its a freddy flick), the resurection of Trininty and the silly "To Be Continued" what is this a TV movie? TBC is for Star Trek and X-Files. Not a major film like this. I could on and on. (OK heres one more if you need it. that Morpheus speech to Zion? What was that? it was painful to listen to and more painful to watch.)
I got dupped by the first trailers for Reloaded. They were just awesome.
But the final product didnt deliver.
while this new trailer was good but i'm not getting my hopes up. they fooled me once already.
oh and if anyone tries to defend Reloaded by saying its only 1/2 of the film. you're full of it. that argument has no merit at all.
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Aug 21, 2003 4:54:50 PM CDT
"I've seen films from the 70's that involved one man against man
by minderbinder
One guy fought 100 of the same guy? Don't think so. Although there were a handful of CGI shots I could pick out, I loved the burly brawl, it did something I've never seen on film before.
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so what would have made better sense for you in the movie? I mean I honestly can't see where else the sequels could have taken this story to please everyone. Neo still was able to manipulate the matrix, he was still able to see and alter code, he was still able to do everything he figured out in the end of the first film. I think peoples imaginations went wild to what he should have done with his powers.
In harrys Review he mentioned he pictured Werewolves and vampires in the movie, fight scenes that would boggle the mind, Monsters and normal people using superhero powers and WOW it was to be the greatest spectacle ever! if that was your expectation then you have nobody to blame but yourself. The movie was fine for what it was and after seeing it a few times, the conversations were not dull , it mimics the same way the conversations were in the first matrix. So how could you not like reloaded's dialogue yet continue to praise the first matrix? -
First off, hold back on the flames, I "liked" Reloaded despite its weaknesses (and yes, if you can't admit to its flaws you probably don't WANT to admit to its flaws, which is a little creepy). I'm sure I'll be getting the DVD, too. So chill. Criticism isn't "bashing" and "hating." Now then, what I want to know is: Why was The Matrix: Reloaded rated "R"? All I can come up with is the Nipple Rave and the accompanying, and completely unconvincing, Neo/Trinity love scene. In other words, the two most dispensible scenes in the movie. The hand-to-hand action was all bloodless and seemingly painless. The playground brawl was like watching action figures being mashed together by 8-year-olds for all the bodily harm wrought. A thousand blows landed and not even a bloody nose. When the medieval weapons came off the walls in the mansion, I thought, Oh Christ, this is going to get bloody. Again, nothing. Neat visuals, lotta action, no harm done on screen. I'm not looking for a splatterfest, or pools of gore. I only want at a minimum the sense of violence and danger there was in the first movie. You gasped when Morpheus broke the toilet with his face, took a bullet in the ankle, when Trinity point-blanked the Agent with a "Dodge this." Blood sprayed, bones broke. ...Okay, I'll answer my own query. According to the MPAA, it's rated R for "sci-fi violence and some sexuality." I'm sorry, but take out Zionian Bandstand and Neo's bare ass--neither of which would be missed, and is all the MPAA cared about I'm sure--and the "sci-fi violence" of Reloaded is PG-13. And that's MY biggest disappointment. Not looking for a "hard" R, just a solid action R like the first one. Going by this trailer, looks like Revolutions is going to be more action-figure mashing. I'll be there first week, but I don't expect much tension in the experience. Far less "Oh, shit!" than "Huh, cool."
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Aug 21, 2003 5:10:10 PM CDT
" In harrys Review he mentioned he pictured Werewolves and vampi
by minderbinder
Harry was just disappointed that they were introduced and then ignored.
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Well, I remember reading an interview with Silver (who wanted the flick to be PG-13) who was bitching that one of the scenes in question was in the mansion where all those henchmen were firing automatic weapons at Neo. Silver explained that the bullets didn't kill anyone (or even zing past anyone, for that matter). The MPAA replied that it didn't matter, because the guns were being fired.
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Aug 21, 2003 5:24:07 PM CDT
The question "why doesn't Neo just blow things up, why does he u
by eraser_x
could also be asked about the Star Wars stories, including Empire Strikes back. It seems ridiculous to invade using slow-assed walkers and small-arms fire. It's as if armies in the Star Wars universe have only the Death Star and small arms fire, and no big guns in between for attacking land-based targets. Even in Iraq, we used big-assed bombs to destroy the enemy before we mopped up using actual troops and small-arms.
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Aug 21, 2003 5:27:05 PM CDT
For those who enjoy repeatedly saying "werewolves and vampires"
by trav mcgee
Harry's point, and I'll even go along with it, was that the Wachowskis (and I'll even use one of their favorite metaphors from the first one) kept opening doors that they didn't go through. The Wachowski's--the Oracle, that is--brought up the precious werewolves and vampires FIRST. The Brothers opened that door. THEY implied that these things exist all over the Matrix, that every single paranormal anomaly and folk tale and Weekly World News alien story is true. That these are all just rogue programs, and how the Matrix assimilated them. Did I not understand her correctly? Correct me, please. Which I thought--still think--is a HELL of a cool concept. What did the W's do with this amazing brainstorm? One thug who supposedly needs to be killed with a silver bullet, and is killed by one right before we're told that's what it took to kill him. Maybe another one of those guys, but maybe not, seeing as how that one gets kung-fued by Neo later, not shot by a silver bullet (were the medieval weapons silver?). And then the Twins. Ghosts, basically. All we got were ghosts. The Wachowski's set up a fantastic premise, and then cop out to a pair of ghosts with straight razors. Let's face it, in the hierarchy of cool and frightening paranormal baddies, ghosts are pretty far down the totem pole. I came to figure it that they thought of the ghost twins first--neat visual, and yep I appreciate the interesting action set-ups their "powers" allowed for, and enjoyed watching their whole sequence--and THEN came up with the ghosts' explanation. "How can we justify these new guys, and what they can do?" An explanation whose further possibilities turned out to be far more interesting than those ghosts. The Wachowskis would have been better served had they justified the albino twins' powers in any other way than "there really are such things as ghosts and UFOs and vampires and werewolves." So let go of the catchphrase, unless you intended to aim at the Wachowskis, because that's where the shot's landing. The Wachowskis keep opening all these doors, and so far haven't gone through them. And to repeat, though I was disappointed in a lot of Reloaded, I still "liked" it. Everything has to be love it or hate i around here. Which, again, is a little creepy.
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Minderbinder: The amount of people involved was not the point. It's that BILLY JACK, where the title character several men at once, crafted the scenes in such a way that I cared about the outcome. MATRIX RELOADED did not, in fact, I'd have to say the filmmakers didn't even care, because there is no resolution. Neo flys off, the Smiths leave. Did _anything_ get resolved? Did the plot move forward? Not one iota...
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I can see the MPAA not liking guns being fired, even if they're as dangerous as the A-Team. They're messed up, no doubt. Still, it was as dangerous as an episode of The A-Team. ...OrionsAngel, I'm not sure exactly where you're going, or if you saw my point. The thing is, in several ways is DIDN'T feel like the same characters we were following from the first one. And the love scene was just poorly done, that's what I mean by unconvincing. Zero passion, zero chemistry, just some skin. Both actors look completely uninvolved. Is it me or did Trinity pretty much fake it? She looked kind of peeved when Neo just went "Uh" and rolled off her. "That's okay, honey, it happens to all the Ones..." ...All right, I 'm starting to sound like I despised it, so in the interest of equal time, I will say that The Katana Vs. The SUV was worth the ticket price alone, and the motorcycle work was worth the popcorn.
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Hey, I'm not saying they should've done what "I wanted." I'm saying they should honor what they've showed us. If Neo can dive into an agent and "fracture" their code, or whatever he did to Smith, at the end of THE MATRIX, then that ability either ought to be present in the sequel, or it's absence ought to be explained adequately... I'm reacting to what they've shown us, in both films, and I have a critical reaction, an opinion. It's not about what I want to see, because I _want_ to see the Brothers W's story, but I want them to play fair...See, Harry had a point about the Werewolves and Vampires. That's a kick-butt concept as it's described _in the film._ Yet is it exploited? Heck no, it floats off into the ether. Maybe they will exploit it in REVOLUTIONS, but so far their track record indicates they're gonna just forget it ever happened and give us another round of Agent Smith and Neo slamming into each other...Please understand, if I wasn't interested in what the Brothers were going to do, I wouldn't even be planning to see the 3rd film. It _was_ close, but I always want to give people a chance. Still, opening in the same season as RotK is a _massive_ mistake, as REVOLUTIONS can only look worse with competition of that quality and drawing power.
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In regards to the Walker sequence in EMPIRE, well they pretty clearly state that the rebels have a shield protecting the base "capable of deflecting any bombardment."
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ok I get what your saying, but it seems like something small to pick on.When the oracle mentioned werewolves and vampires it was only to explain like in the animatrix that those were programs doing what their not supposed to, kinda like the merovingian and persephone.
im just saying that the matrix bashers really shouldn't be bashing this movie the way they are. it really isn't a bad movie.not a GREAT movie but surely not a bad movie! -
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So...he kinda likes Reloaded now? The movie had its moments..but really was a dissapointment for me too.
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RELOADED & REVOLUTIONS is one big movie. we all know that. but yet, people can't seem to wrap the concept around their heads. we know that it's not like, nor was ever crafted to be like, EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, yet we are inundated with comparisons and complaints that it "didn't live up." well, say what you want, we're all pretty much anonymous anyway, but those "haters" of RELOADED just don't get it and will answered and challenged and rewarded and relieved - not to mention blown out the back of the theatre - when REVOLUTIONS delivers. I won't get into the "message" of RELOADED or what all of The Matrix movies are all about - I'll just say think in terms of patterns. think of the first Matrix, and think of what you would say, and how many would have felt, if the first Matrix movie ended with a "to be continued" when Morpheus was captured, Cypher revealed, and Neo not believing he's the one. some would say, "yeah but the movie is pretty good." and others would say, "man, this sucked. he wasn't even the one! none of the questions are answered, blah blah blah." think about it talkbackers. now think about how we felt watching Neo REALIZE he's the One. watching them storm the building rescuing Morpheus. "he's starting to believe." Neo vs. Smith. "my God, he's the One." and Neo destroying Smith and bending reality around him... all of that was awesome. and THAT'S what we're in for with REVOLUTIONS. and anyone (Harry included) who didn't have the foresight to keep their negative comments to themselves ATLEAST until they'd seen the entire movie is going to feel... like a bit of an ass. I think Harry will back pedal out of it just fine. he's been trying to smooth things over ever since (maybe he started to get it after that second or third time and wish he hadn't posted that lame review). but he's entitled to be wrong. I just want to hear him admit it. he's done as much and he hasn't even seen the movie yet. maybe when he does, he'll come here, and quietly type, "well, now I get RELOADED. both movies make one PERFECT film..." and all the rest. I myself, have many theories and predictions. I have plenty of faith in the Wachowski Brothers, and am very pleased that they made a mature, thoughtful, fun and exciting Modern Science Fiction classic. I can't wait.
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You're right. I had forgotten about the shield! :-)
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Aug 21, 2003 6:22:01 PM CDT
Damn with a trailer like that how can I not have high expectatio
by jon e cin
The movie looks sweet as fuck.
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Yes, the werewolves and vampires _is_ a small thing, but the sudden depowering of Neo is not. The storytelling problem is the same in both issues, it like we're watching a first draft. The Brothers left in all their dead end concepts they never figured out how to exploit. Sloppy...Now as for saying that it's unfair to just review RELOADED, Bullshit. This is part of a trilogy, yes, but each part should, and must stand on their own. If they're released independantly, they will be evaluated that way. If Silver and the Brothers felt otherwise, they should've made one film.
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Do you think those guys are walking on the ceiling in the trailer for Revolutions for nothing?
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the good kind. But then again, so did the reloaded trailer....we'll see...we'll see...
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Damned return key!
It pisses me off when someones complains why Neo did this and not that and then says the W Bros were just plain lazy in writing their script. First of all there's nothing wrong with the script. If only you had half a brain and not retarded then maybe you would have understood. Or maybe you were too lazy to think.
Ok why Neo didnt just destroy Smith like the first time? Haven't it occurred to you that he felt something different this time - he felt this odd connection with him? It's also pretty obvious that destroying Smith in the first movie didnt work -he came back- so do you think Neo will approach it the same way? Neo is also starting to discover new things in the matrix which is why he was puzzled by the golden code of Seraph and some things he couldnt decipher like the encrypted code at the merovingians building. It leads us to conclude that although he is almost like a god in the matrix he still has a lot to learn and discover.With the burly brawl I could sense that Neo wanted to test his powers against Smith seeing how he survived the first time,Smith might have something new to offer but ultimately we find out that now they're evenly matched which is why Neo couldnt defeat the hundred Smiths and vice versa. As with the other fights I think Neo was only playing with his opponents. He treats it like a videogame like Tekken or any fighting game where when you master the game, it doesnt mean you stop playing it. He can still show off his skills if he wants to or not. -
Excuses from supporters of this tripe: (1) It's only half a movie, you haven't seen the whole movie! (2) There were people cheering in the theater, it must be good! (3) Don't you see, the Wachowskis are so smart, working in so many ideas and plotlines? (4) You gotta see the "Flight of the Osiris" piece on "The Animatrix" to completely understand what's happening in the second movie. ----------------------- My replies: (1) That's just bad editing, plain and simple. If they coulda trimmed it all down to one film we wouldn't have been forced to deal with the crap they shoved into this thing. An "Architecht?" Trinity *dies* and then is brought back to life? Suddenly, Morpheus can fight an agent, when in the original no one *but* Neo could fight the agents? (2) There are also people that cheer the wrestling activities of The Rock, Hulk Hogan, and more. I am not one of them. Some people are easily entertained. (3) The Wachowskis are lazy editors who think every piece of dialogue they put into their movies is relevant to 100% of their plots. They are not consistent. (4) If a "chapter" (even a sub-chapter) is missing from film sequence, you cannot expect normal folks to "seek out" this information. Figure out how to describe it to the people in the audience who haven't watched every stinkin' piece of offshoot-footage or don't use it at all. Do you think that, should there be another three "Star Wars" movies, that we will all be *REQUIRED* to play the "Jedi Knight" videogames so we understand what's happening in the movies? ......... END OF LINE.
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The ability for human beings to interpret data consciously is rather limited. out of about Eleven million bits of sensory data flowing in, a handful of bits constitute our ability to consciously percieve and decide. Fact is, when confronted by anything of great complexity we experience most things subconsciously, by feel. By emotion. Emotion allows us to access large slices of our mind rather quickly, and in fact forms the underlying foundation of our reasoning abilities. Consequently, views on film diverge widely, and other people's views on films often FEEL wrong. of course, there are certain elements to a film that tend to produce common reactions in an audience, because we share some of our experience, and most of the basic mechanisms for percieving the world. Because of that, there's often a consistency in what people tend to believe about a film, at least to a certain extent. Which side wins? Our differences or our commonality? Who knows?
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I have been fighting Matrix bashers for months and I'm tired. I will just say this. Most talkbackers know that I have been the most adament, and I admit the most obnoxious Matrix defender. The first time I saw Reloaded, with my girl, I didn't know what to think of it. I "liked" it but I was tempered (not disappointed but tempered). I saw it the second time and came out the theater thinking it was one of the greatest stories ever put on film. The concepts that this film explores is not only groundbreaking but complex. I'm not going to explain every scene that the bashers seem to have problems with- others can do it better and others have done it better in this very talkback. But every scene, every word has a point. I disagree about "lazy writers." The W brothers have a story to tell and so far they are telling it exactly the way they want to with little or no plot holes. For example, my girlfriend, along with many Matrix bashers, always points to why Neo doesn't just fly away from 100 Smiths or why can't he just destroy code...the reason is twofold...First, if you are the ONE BADASS who can destroy code and you see a rough Agent, whom you have already defeated ready to challenge you...you fight him because you are the one. The problem is that Neo's powers are not unexpected, he was given those powers by the Matrix because all of this has happened before. Neo is supposed to be a way for the machines to give those humans who can not buy the fake world of the Matrix somewhere to go so the Matrix can exterminate them (destroy Zion) and start a new. Hence the title of the film...Matrix:Reloaded. Neo discovers after his conversation with the Archtect that he is not some self aware God...he was planned for. He is there to Reload the Matrix. Neo's "choice" is different from the other ONEs. He chooses love with the hope that he can save Trinity and Zion at the same time (one of the tenets of the Christian faith that is all over the place- Morpheus's faith; Trinity's love and Neo's hope). Oh well I just think that Revolutions will be great. I will not fight it anymore. If I am the only one in the movie on Nov. 5th, I will be alright because I am thankful that we have filmakers like the 'W brothers", we have Mr. Lucas, we have Peter Jackson; we have Stephen Speilberg and other filmakers who tell great stories and reward us with thier vison.
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Many people are complaining about excessive CG these days. me, I'm not worried. You see, we are in the early years of what will be a transforming revolution in effects. Even now, the power of computer graphics to build immense canvases for filmmakers is nothing short of astonishing. Watch Children of Dune, or Episode 2, or the LOTR films. look at what the Matrix films currently in release have done, and what the next one is set to do. The rendering and the movement of CG elements will only get better. But now, what we have is scale and complexity to these effects that should be nothing short of astonishing. But, some people want say, what about humanity? Well, I'd like to think that filmmakers will begin to balance things out, as they seek to take the inspiring work that came before and retool it for those kinds of approaches. I do not think that by criticizing the more action and epic-oriented use of theses effects that it will do anything to effect the creation of more intimate movies.
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Don't even stress it. I look at it this way, In the Animatrix ep; "World Record" they said that some people are naturally attune to the matrix, can sense it, others cannot. I say count yourself among us few who can, in a way, that's cooler tha n the movie itself. At any rate, I no longer think this is something that can be taught or shown, so I'm through trying. But you wont be the only one there on the 5th, Meleractors gonna join ya.
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You can make all the excuses you want about Neo's powers; until it says it in the movie it's still an unresolved issue. It's funny how you all have different theories on it that you accept as fact. You would think that the fact that your theories are so different would tip you off tot he fact that they are just that....theories. And the next guy who attempts to defend the laughably bad rave scene is hexed.
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Jedi how can you say there was no resolution in the burly brawl? It showed that neo had a problem with smith, that he couldn't explain what smith had become. The resolution was that he could'nt beat smith AGAIN !
Just because neo did something you all loved in the first film does'nt mean it needs to be in the second.Did they have to show him downloading more fighting techniques?
And for the guy who said that in the first film Zion was a place that could'nt be found and that everyone knew who morpheus was. Reloaded doesnt take place RIGHT after the first film. soooo. ummm. you get it??
and reloaded was a good film on it's own merits, it presented a good story, it furthered the development of the characters, made them more real, you actual care for them and their struggle, And left a cliffhanger the way Empire strikes back did.
What else do you want?
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Aug 21, 2003 9:35:19 PM CDT
Knock you off your toes ? i though your a fat perment fixture on
by deadzone
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Agent Smith takes over a drag queen, and then realizes something about himself. When he confronts Neo, he tells him "Mr. Anderson, I have come to a realization that I have been to paradise, but I have not yet been to me." Then he, Neo and Andy Wachowski get a bus and travel across Australia.
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Matrix Rev trailer has no sound dagnabit,that big glowing steroidal sentinel thingy could be making farty noises for all i know
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Aug 21, 2003 10:02:21 PM CDT
Ok Meleractor I just have to give you a hard time about this:
by fluffyunbound
"Don't even stress it. I look at it this way, In the Animatrix ep; "World Record" they said that some people are naturally attune to the matrix, can sense it, others cannot. I say count yourself among us few who can, in a way, that's cooler tha n the movie itself." News flash: THE MATRIX IS NOT REAL. IT IS A MOVIE. You are not "attuned" to anything. You are not a member of some "elite few". You are a dork with a shocking lack of self-awareness.
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Aug 21, 2003 10:31:00 PM CDT
HARRY"S MATRIX BACKTRACK!! P.S. WE FIND YOU ANNOYING TOO HARRY!!
by darth phallus
Especially when you shit on a great movie. MATRIX RELOADED is one of the top five movies this summer easilly and will endure for the ages. REVOLUTIONS WILL KILL YOU HARRY AND BILL TOO!
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my statement stands.
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I like you guys who bitch Harry out anonymously..I mean, you don't get the chance to say what you want in real life do you? I used to do that shit myself when I was younger, then I realised the ultimate pussiness and futility of it all. Bye
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The one that Monica Belluci killed with a SILVER bullet, remember?
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I can barely type I am so disgusted with you people. This movie is by far one of the best I have EVER seen. It is also the best of the "summer blockbusters" (whatever), ofcourse what did we have to choose from... I am also a big fan of the first one too. The thing is, suspension of disbelief, ok? This is not the real world so it's not going to be like the real world. Also, Kung Fu is an integral part of the trilogy, IDIOTS. Neo is the bomb. That's all.
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Aug 22, 2003 12:48:45 AM CDT
Matrix haters: Semi-retarded louts, and various other erudite ge
by devil'sown
I've been listening to your tripe for a while now. Originally, I was going to say, hey, I understand being upset if you felt there were missed opportunities, etc. But, nah, I'm gonna go with my original gut instinct. First of all, why do you diss Harry? Here's a guy who loves movies so much, he made a site where we can all catch the latest buzz and discuss our views in the talkback. He doesn't have to do that. Some of you have the gall to come here and call the man names and insult his person. I'd LOVE to see what some of you winners look like. Harry is just a person like you and I with high expections, and he doesn't always handle it well when they're found wanting. Harry is da man, he's the fucking Godfather. That shit ain't cool, man. As for the topic at hand, The Matrix will always be one of the most groundbreaking films of all time. Know it, love it, fear it. Sure, Reloaded wasn't a "perfect" film, but I enjoyed it anyway- I love these characters and themes because their engrossing. The thing is, I knew going in that it is, after all, just a movie- scifi summer action entertainment, not the answer to the secret of life. Not your cup of tea? Fine. You have every right to say so. But when you clog the the Talkback with your idiotic shittalking, we have an issue, drool-monkeys. I realize nasty posters are a neccessary evil. They let the lunatics rave at the asylum. Like a fart, it's just foul air that has to come out. Where the hell else are you weenies gonna expend your impotent rage? But saying this movie sucks and anyone who may like it is a stupid homo? Pa-the-tic. Did you like it when the playground bully said that to you while he was beating the snot out of you all those years ago (or was it yesterday)? The movie, in fact, didn't suck. The Wachowski Bros. have a plan, they're just not letting you in on it yet. Oh, the movie didn't do well at the box office? Well, excuse me. What the fuck are you? A studio exec? Man, shut the fuck up! What DO you like?! Some fucked up shit no one's ever heard of, or cares about? By the way, heehee, Revolutions comes out in a few months. I humbly suggest you go see it (in a theater, jackass), if not alone, at least with someone who's not a member of your lameass cult from Moronland, and come back here, but bring some fresh material, you vagina- bloodfarts!!!
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Aug 22, 2003 2:00:40 AM CDT
It's clear from some of this tb that no matter what the WACK-ows
by jules windex
Reloaded was shockingly thin of story. It was MAYBE 40 minutes worth of story padded to 2 hours through pompous, over-written dialogue that repeated every point numerous times, and by action scenes that had NOTHING to do with the story(unlike the original in which each action bit had a real purpose). I doubt this trilogy can be rescued at the last hour.
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calm the fuck down
that one little shit-faced cunt who followed Neo around was almost as bad as Jar-Jar. The Wachowskis are actually changing Revolutions and are gonna make the kid into a representative of Naboo, thus decreasing his role in the movie, how exciting! -
Reloaded didnt rule all because it was half a movie
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So first off i want to say that im not so good at english....
now that i have had that out of the way i get to the point...
Im one of thoose punk ass people who download movies from Odc DC++ so and so on.....
but in a way its kind of banned around here....
to bad :-(
Becuase i see the movies at the cinema and i buy the DVD...
So the movie industry doesent loose money on me because i have downloaded Reloaded on a DVD screener...
Some of you dont understand the movie....like the "Agent Smith thing"....HES NOT THE ONE who is upgraded its the Agents, Neo Wrote some of his code over to Smith so he became like a "free agent"
with high powers...
Neo say it himself....when hes fighting Smith it feels like dying...
So i can understand the anticipation this flick had...
It wasent as good as the first !
but then again this fucker is smart !
Zion destroyed 5 times before..( This time ??? )
6 different "Neo's"
All a matter of control by the machines !
I truly wasent expecting a turn like that !
The rabbit hole is alot deeper than that ....
maybe its like the year 3450...
or 6666...
The meeting with the architect was one of the greatest moments i have had watching movies !
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It seems like most people have accepted at this point that Reloaded sucked. And considering, Revolution is the 2nd half, it has to suck too and clearly will. There are people who loved the crappy Godzilla remake, so there is no accounting for taste, but the Wachowskis screwed up the sequels, big time. I think they had the best intentions, but they just weren't up to the task.
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Both are great films in my opinion. And I am glad they both made a shit load of money, because they did. And I and probably most everyone else, am not surprised that Nemo made more money. It's rated 'G'! You can get the whole family to go! And go they do! Over and over and over again! The fact that Reloaded bowed out at 275 million (or whatever the figure was)is incredible considering it's an R-rated film. Now, most of the people here may hate it, but damn, a lot of people (of the icky, unclean not-geek variety) seemed to adore it enough.
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I got a preview copy of the matrix reloaded dvd yesterday....Ive discovered something new that bothers me..the whole highway chase sequence & heres why. 1:-The cars seem to only be driving about 20 mph.WTF?!!! There is no illusion of speed they seem to just plod along...
2:-How come the over passes are conveniently so high that fatty morpheus & the agent can stand up right...It looks really friggin odd!!! Fatty morpheus leaping looks REALLY stupid!
3:-The whole driving against the traffic bit is just ruined by the wachowskis obsession with 'cool'...I'll explain....Trinity rides in the opposite direction of oncoming traffic...Looks great & aincredible stunt BUT WAIT!! SUDDENLY THE CAMERA PASSES THROUGH THE TRUCK!! So I guess all the cars are cgi...Way to give the game away! Stupid bastards....
4:-Dont even get me started on the 'rescue' by Neo it looks terrible!!!
One thing in the film thats really well made is the Burley brawl...The timing is amazing when you see it at home you notice these little things like where 1 smith flies up and lands in the correct place among the meyhem...I think they spent a lot of time on it...the stonger cgi moments in this sequence (when neo grabs the pole) is weak though...But its the only part of the film I watch now....the rest of the is just dire! (And I like slow moving films with a plot) especially the Cum cake sequence & trinity ressurection!!
But all these things are no less different that the Matrix which had some truly bad moments (Bhudda boy 'be the spoon' nonsense...Uh they cold of used a oriental kid at least!!!). -
What's the music they are playing in the trailer? I can guess the end was composed by Don Davis since it sounds like the rest of the Revolutions Score. But the part with the large choir. Anybody know that one?
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what a total pile of steaming sh*te some of you talk on here. Reloaded cr*p?! Did you not see it in an Imax cinema?! And if you didn't - it doesn't matter - IT WAS THE NUTS OF A FILM! Revolutions trailer looks quality and I for one can't wait. The rest of you doubters get back to your arty-farty movies - I'll stick to kick-ass action! Fools.
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Reloaded was pretty bad. Very lazy storytelling which completely ignored the finale of the original. Just more silly wire fu. Not to mention the premise of the entire story, is imbecilic. Humans Scorched the sky to stop the solar powered machines? Huh? This is a technologically advanced humanity that did this? Astronomers 100's of years ago could tell you what would happen if you block out all solar radiation (everything dies). The humans are kept alive as batteries? huh? obviously these machines dont know anything about basic conservation of energy, human biology, or physics 101. This is just stupid writing. I dont care how intricate a pile of crap you build on this premise, its still silly and lazy.
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The concept that humans could be used AT ALL as a SOURCE of energy, is totally devoid of an understanding of the most basic physics. Even if the machines were to burn the humans as a source of energy once they grew to a certain age, they would be unable to recoup 1/100000th of the energy expended in:
1) building the massive infrastructure necessary to hold the humans
2) the energy, materials, and resources needed to 'run' the matrix and keep the humans happy inside it
3) the energy and resources necessary to feed, heat, and protect the humans in their little cocoons.
Why Humans? Why not squirrels or slugs?
.... really.
Why a system where humans can spontaneously die at any moment? This is INCREDIBLY inefficient if you are depending upon their continued survival. Why educate them in this system?
Why connect them to one another?
Why supply them with senses?
Theres simply no point to it, but other than a cheap plot device to get our protagonists into the proper tron-esque milieu necessary for kung fu bullet time porn.
The funny thing about it, is I can think of numerous ways to get the characters in the same predicament
that would not fall open to such obvious inconsistencies. its just shoddy writing.
I think you need to *think* a little about it. really. Its just stupid. The reasons given in the films dont add up, and for a story which tries so HARD and just screams out how INTELLECTUAL it is, one must wonder what standards are used? Deep? yes maybe for a 7 year old who is weened on pokemon or teletubbies. -
....its a SCIENCE FICTION FILM you fool! If you're gonna pick at these films why not have a go at them all: why not talk about aliens with acid for blood, or machines coming from the future to kill people; how about a big green monster running around? Or maybe you want to slate the first Matrix?! They are MOVIES ie THEY ARE NOT REAL you dummy. They are made for entertainment purposes - just cause they don't follow the law of physics and maths to the letter doesn't mean you can't enjoy them. Stop being such a picky knob. If humans scorching the sky is the best you can up with as a flaw for Reloaded then it must have been a cracking movie!
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He used to post in here with what were supposedly "intelligent" rants using proper grammer but I Assure you he was no architect. Everything that you just said about the matrix not being realistic, well damn boy, either you need an enema for being so anal or you need to stick to documentaries.
Again I will say, Harry felt it was annoying we kept praising and still felt the burn over that horrendous review of matrix reloaded but at the time he didn't praise the movie, he was unforgiving in his review, he nitpicked on every little instance as his dream movie was unrealized. NOW he changes his tone and WE are the one's who are annoying?
how can you say Down with Love was a better movie than matrix reloaded? have you guys seen down with love? where in the end she explains the whole plot in one long take?
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"Think dammit think!" You mean the same technologically advanced society who continues to this very day to destroy the biosphere they are ultimately linked to? Yeah, they would NEVER do anything to jeapardize the species. Hey, somebody get me another bucket of DDT! "Think Dammit Think!"
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'if you can do a better movie, come on, i
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If you don't like it, don't watch it. And why attack a movie for its plot devices...go write your own movie, that's what it sounds like your trying to do anyway. Now, I was a big fan of the first film, but felt that "Reloaded" had a lot of problems...but even so, I'm still looking forward to "Revolutions." I just hope it goes a long way in restoring this movie franchise to classic status, and dodges the whole "hit" and "miss" pattern its employed so far. Out.
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Integra, if your so brilliant, where's anything you've written? Actually, I could give less than a damn what people like you think. You're overanalyzing a fairy tale. Hey, far be it for little old me to begrudge someone their basic, human right to bitch and whine like a ritalin- deprived 8-year-old. I just wish you could get your money back and, I dunno, kiss a speeding semi. Dead horse? Beating it? This kind of griping is at it's worst when they start moaning about Neo. Like the man or not, facts is facts, he's been in some good films, and is a true professional. Maybe your hard-on for him is that he looks like Keanu Reeves and you... well, an Orc wouldn't throw you some ass. But know this, Spanky: MATRIX REVOLUTIONS is going to rule like Harry rules your mom's ass!! Word.
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Aug 22, 2003 7:51:44 AM CDT
If anyone knows anything about science, they know that scientifi
by meleractor
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Power from blood could lead to 'human batteries'
August 4, 2003
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A device that produces electricity from blood could be used to turn people into "human batteries".
Researchers in Japan are developing a method of drawing power from blood glucose, mimicking the way the body generates energy from food.
Theoretically, it could allow a person to pump out 100 watts - enough to illuminate a light bulb.
But that would entail converting all the food eaten by the individual into electricity. In practice, less power would be generated since food is needed by the body.
However the scientists say the "bio-nano" generator could be used to run devices embedded in the body, or sugar-fed robots.
The team at electronics giant Panasonic's Nanotechnology Research Laboratory near Kyoto has so far only managed to produce very low power levels.
But the scientists ultimately expect to gain much greater performance from the device.
The battery is based on an enzyme capable of stripping glucose of its electrons, The Engineer magazine reported.
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Dr Kazuo Eda, heading the research, said: "It is like the metabolism of food. Human bodies can process glucose and obtain energy. When glucose is oxidised, electrons can be obtained."
He believed bio-nano fuel cells were the next step for researchers after generators powered by hydrogen, natural gas and methanol now being developed for the car and energy industries.
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Didn't they power an entire town with pig shit in Mad Max 3? Now, I know they're not using human shit as fuel, but the battery idea is looking a whole lot better about now...isn't it? Out.
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Honestly, did not one of you stay until after the Reloaded credits to see this trailer? I got all excited when I saw the headline on the main page yesterday, but it's nothing we haven't had the opportunity to see before. I had already seen this trailer three times in the theaters (even once in IMAX).
As for the question of why Neo loses his powers - he didn't. Not one. In The Matrix he could see code, stop bullets, move superhumanly fast, fly, and tear agents apart. In Reloaded, he sees encrypted code, stops more bullets at once, and flies faster than Link and Morpheus have ever seen (and therefore faster than he ever has before). Does he tear any agents apart? No. Possibly because in the first five minutes of the movie he is given a gift from Smith (who he tore apart) who is now gloating about being "free." So Neo knows that the agent he destroyed is somehow still alive, and the earpiece tells him that Smith is no longer an agent and now has his own agenda. I would think that would make Neo think twice about tearing the first three agents apart. He figured he should play it safe since he's strong enough to just "kill" them the old fashioned way anyway. And then, after fighting 100 Smiths I'm sure he definitely would not want to tear any more agents apart and possibly give all of them all of these abilities as well. Instead of 100 Smiths, 100 Smiths + 100 Browns + 100 Joneses all with their own unpredictable missions.
As for the upgrade line, maybe this means Neo hasn't torn an agent apart since Smith. Clearly Neo was expecting to punch the agent once and have him just die, because the agent blocks one or two punches and Neo says "Upgrades." So if he's used to just killing them off with minimal effort, why would he bother to tear them apart? The programmers of the Matrix can just make more agents anyway. -
So, if Neo could beat up a couple of upgraded Agents in a minute or so, why does it take him ages to beat the crap out of the Merovingian (sp?) guards in that room with the staircases? I don't remember anyone saying they were special. Anyway, I saw a Matrix Revolutions trailer when I finished the Enter the Matrix game. I can't download the link on this page, so can anyone tell me if it's the same trailer?
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Aug 22, 2003 8:48:46 AM CDT
"that one little shit-faced cunt who followed Neo around was alm
by minderbinder
But other than that...exactly the same. And Merovingian's henchmen ARE special, they are vampires/werewolves/ghosts, remember?
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Aug 22, 2003 8:51:02 AM CDT
And the camera doesn't go through a truck, it goes under a truck
by minderbinder
Which might be real camera work, I know they had a little camera rolling around on a remote controlled car. Personally, I'm more excited about the DVD extras than about seeing the movie again, I'm dying to know which shots were real and which were CGI...I bet most people guessed wrong in many cases.
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The Merovingian's guards were more powerful than agents. Agents are much stronger than humans, because that's their job - to combat and control humans. And they're so much faster than humans that they don't need to be invincible. Practically nobody can even touch them. As a matter of fact, they are probably designed to be easily killable by The One, since his ability to do so would set him apart from the other humans - it would prove to the other humans that he was truly The One, which is all a part of the greater system of control the machines have. The Merovingian guards are almost like earlier versions of agents in the Matrix. Persephone says they were designed for the same reason as agents, but they caused more problems than they fixed which is why they were discontinued. Also, she says they are notoriously hard to kill. I interpret these things to mean that they are stronger than typical agents, but they have specific weaknesses, like built in kill-switches in case they go bad and need to be terminated. So when Neo fights them, they are unkillable until he uses the right weapons, which over time he finds and uses. And since everything at the Merovingian's is encrypted, Neo may not have been able to tear them apart even if he wanted to.
And no, I don't think this is the same trailer you saw at the end of the game, although it may be. The two are slightly different but around the same length. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this was the regular theatrical trailer we all got a chance to see three months ago (if that's the case, I don't know why this is news). -
Not sure about the gurads thing -they weren't really addressed as special in the film, i just thought they were a bunch of guys, and I can't help but think the fight was stretched because they *could* put a fight in there. Yeah, I've seen a couple of trailers, the game one and the one at the end of the theatrical release, so I'm a bit confused myself my AIC are advertising the fact that the trailer has 'hit'. I figured it had already hit and slid to a halt by now. Like that plane in Die Hard 2, but without McClaine bitching about it.
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One of the "small" things that led me to believe the guards were not "ordinary" was when they LEAPED (more like levitated) like overgrown jackrabbits from the floor to the stairwell after neo.
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But Agents do that, as well, even when they weren't upgraded in the first movie. It's a shame that the Wachowski's don't have an e-mail we can contact so we can send messages like: 'sorry, run by that me again...'
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What the fuck am I typing? I must going be nuts.
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Aug 22, 2003 9:28:22 AM CDT
I believe theres an FAQ site out there that's supposed to be pre
by meleractor
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I swear to God, the next po-faced motherfucker who tells me that I didn't like Matrix Reloaded because I 'didn't get it' I'm going to fuck their goldfish. It's a fucking lame line for lame fuckwits who think that expressing a high-concept intellect is enough to wear down those of us who just weren't that impressed with it. We. Did. Not. Like. It. It's not the end of the world, so fucking get over yourselves. I will say that that the trailer to Matrix Revolutions looks good, and I hope it is good, but a trailer is designed to make a film look good so don't piss yourselvs just yet.
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Snow Falling On Cedars, by James Newton Howard
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OK, this is how is breaks down, Reloaded wasnt shite! it was great, it fulfilled our desire for more of the matrix and for that we must all be grateful, if it hadnt been made you would all be moaning about why havent they made another, when will they make another, etc etc etc. You are all whining fags. And most of it was ripped off from W.Gibson anyway which you would know if any of you could read more than a page of text a week. And while we are on the subject of rip offs the 2 greatest sci-fi series of the last 20 years IE-Terminator and Matrix are ripped off from low budget shite English TV, Terminator is a total skank from Dr Who-Day of the Daleks {made for tuppence ha'penney, a pair of flares and a marathon bar in the 1970's} and no one who has seen Reloaded can tell me that Revolutions isnt going to read like the Red Dwarf-Despair Squid episode with an extra
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Yes, the music on the trailer is very good. I liked the music on the original movie's trailer, too. I was asking questions about the Neo fight with the Merovingian (sp?) guards in that room with the staircases earlier, but I do remember that the music was really good during the fight. Was that a hyped version of 'Clubbed to Death' because it was mint. Like a wafer thin breath mint, but without the need to scrape it off the roof of your mouth and induce vomiting after having one.
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Aug 22, 2003 11:08:52 AM CDT
Agent Smith is the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet
by lookcloser07
He is so hot.
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Aug 22, 2003 11:14:45 AM CDT
Its good to read some fucking Matrix fans out there, but...
by lost skeleton
...where the fuck have you guys been? :-) Hahahahahaha.
This has been one of the best talkbacks in a while. Kudos to all the "fans" and "haters." Good posts. Oh, and where is Atticus Finch? -
neo have new duds on? neato
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has already seen that trailer way before now...I saw it three days after I bought the game...i thought it was going to be entirely new...disappointing.....i tried for three hours over my works t1 connection to see something i have seen a thousand times already....still rocks though :-)
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I can't belive that this incomprehensible, cobbled-together, interminably incoherent pile of crap can still commands the loyalty of intelligent people. And more than loyalty, devotion. It's worse than the original DUNE, for chrissakes, turgid, elephantine, humourless, confused and self-important. Oh, and the world's sliding inexorably towards it's greatest crisis while the fansboys scratch their underused balls in front of the video screens. Sad sacks, go and play Everquest or whatever you guys do.
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...Sorry m8 it dont go under the truck it goes through the bumber & the wheels dissapear .
So sorry to brake the illusion for you but its soo obviously mostly cgi when you watch it on DVD. You even get a distant shot of the cars lamely avoiding trinity from the top of the truck...which dont match with all the rest (ie:- its the real bit).
If they say it IS all real then they're talking bullshit period.
It does start off as a real stunt but once against the traffic (I mean the madder moments) the cars that skid out of trinitys way are cgi models....I aint got a problem with cgi in general BUT I think it broke the illusion by passing through the truck & thats my problem with the scene.....I like my stunts real. -
...granted, your asses are still sore from our kicking them 200 plus years ago, but quit that whiny "you steal EVERYTHING from us, mean Yankees!" bullshit crawling from your scumtoothed wordhole, OK? If you could see past that potato-sized nose of yours you'd realize that you limeys'd be flying the swastica over Big Ben if it wasn't for us - hell, maybe you and the French could've had "Hitler for a day!" contests or something. We steal from you? Fuck, if it wasn't for American rock and roll you'd still be listening to skiffle, you prick.
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I suppose his flying at speeds capable of dragging 15 cars behind him and warping buildings means he lost some juice.
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...but I have ZERO patience for whiny foreigners blaming the ills of the world on the U.S. (all of this coming from a liberal!).
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Well, we'll see when it comes out on DVD. Considering how much people disagree on what's CGI, I'd hardly call it "obvious". Like I said before, I'm dying to see the making of stuff to see what's real. Does nobody remember when the first matrix came out and people thought the fighting was all faked with FX?
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The reason Reloaded wasn't great was because everything dragged on too long and there was nothing interesting about it. The fight scenes went on past the point of too long. It got extremely boring. I saw the movie 3 times trying to like it, and I struggled to stay awake each time. Out of the three times I saw it, there was applause in 1 of the showings. The rest people didn't say anything until the end when all I could hear were complaints. Its not about unreasonable expectations, its about being entertained. A lot of people weren't entertained by this movie, just bored to tears.
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To not having a political thread through this talkback! And I'm still not entirely sure why it's here, last time I checked, people were complaining about the Matrix. Ahh, well, with that said, I'm going to go and try and change the world, instead of just bitching about how bad the situation is.
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And yes the Matrix Reloaded is deep but is still entertaining. The thing that's so good about it is that it forces you to use your brain once in awhile and I think that's great that you dont have to be spoonfed all the time. See it what most matrix bashers dont realize is that Reloaded tells us that it is all about control and manipulation. This means that humans being used as batteries might not be really truth. The matrix already existed 5 times before. Morpheus was just part of the manipulation process and was being fed a bunch of bullshit information inorder for him to find the One and most of the people who got Reloaded all know the One's only purpose is to reboot the Matrix to allow itself to survive. Even the 2nd renaissance might not be the whole truth and just revisionist history concocted by the machines after all machines do run in Zion. It seems that it is fairly one sided and it is biased on the machines side. Finally, the Matrix real purpose could be using our collective minds as a big supercomputer in order to keep humans in control. For what purpose? Maybe for payback for all the terrible things humans have done to the machines or maybe the machines are doing the humans a favor. I know this is all speculative but a movie that can cause debate is a gift.
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I have a really cool idea on November 5 and I hope it happens on my home town. How bout if the movie theaters have this crazy promotion where on release day instead of showing revolutions first, they'll show the original matrix, then reloaded then finally revolutions. That would be bad ***. They could start at 6 pm and with 20 mins intermission bet. movies so you take a piss if you have to or get more food/popcorn.
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I sure as hell didn't "avoid any issue" - if you read what I was responding to you'd see it had nothing to do with "the world's political climate." Don't try and pull me into some goddamn political debate on this board; no one wants to read it, and quite frankly I could give a flying fuck what your political disposition is - I was responding to an email titled "You Yankee Cocksuckers" which continues on about the U.S. alledgedly ripping off Britain's movie/art ideas in a way that certainly wasn't promoting thoughtful debate - or did you miss that part? You and LawrenceHugnut can argue the merits of the U.S. foreign policy 'till both of you have euro-gasms for all I care, but don't try this bullshit with me. I'm liberal, true, but that doesn't mean I suffer idiots like you gladly.
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Aug 22, 2003 5:10:03 PM CDT
Hippy chick 14 or whatever your name is and your plans for world
by batchers
Hippychick14 spouts out a load of crap and then calls himself a liberal, you are british descended you dick, your best part anyway, you owe everything to us and the poor indians that you so gladly commmited genocide on to rob the land of the free and the brave off, you are isolating yourself from the rest of the civillised world at the moment with your joke of what passes for foreign policy and justice, john walker lindh recieved somewhat different treatment at the hands of american justice than others doing exactly the same as he was, but then again I suppose you think that cause they are foreign and dont like "diet" coke with a 99.9% fat-content burger that they somehow dont deserve the same rights.
But my original point still stands, most modern iconic series are robbed from some other idea, usually from blighty side I might add, {star wars accepted exception} and btw liberal aint even in your backyard mate!!! For the worlds sake please dont let the Repulicans either win or buy the next election.
I also completely agree with the guy who said that if you really hated reloaded you would be slagging other movies instead of this great one which you were just to plain dull to understand, ITS HALF A MOVIE YOU LAMEBRAINS!!!!!!
For godsake the 1st half of the Dearhunter was like a visual lobotamy, i thought that fuckin wedding scene would never end, would the Dearhunter have been such a hit if you had to wait 3 months between the wedding scence and the russian roulette scene, I think not somehow. -
Aug 22, 2003 5:14:49 PM CDT
Terminator got a lot of its ideas from Dr Who day of the Daleks,
by batchers
and a small piece of opinionated jingoism to wind up you "LIBERALS" out there, hehe
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My comment about America, England/France and WWII and the world at large were as close to a "political discussion" as reciting the Big Mac theme song is an in-depth discussion on the history of restauratuers and culinary expertise. Do you see the generalities, or do I have to draw you a pretty picture with crayons? Seriously, if you've got such a hard-on for your anti-American angst, find a nice redneck and debate it it with him, OK? Better yet, start with batchers - maybe the two of you can give each other simultaneous reach-arounds while griping about America. Oh, and batchers? First thing I'd do if I was still operating under a monarchy is to pull my head out and realize where the wealth of my country actually lies. When the queen stands, do the starving and destitute get a chance to look at the gold and precious stones stuck to her ass? Hey, here's an idea - fix your own fucking problems, then bitch about everyone else. Oh - and I am liberal, been voting age since 1980 and have never once voted for a Republican - yet you bitch and moan about our President while your Prime Minister swallows his cock every morning. Who's worse? The president or the guy sucking his dick? Finally, you may find this hard to believe - being you're so completely full of shit and all - but not every American descended from you buck-toothed droolers. I'd explain "melting pot" to you, but you'd get mixed-up thinking it was some hip London punk band or something and accuse me of ripping it off from England.
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After taking the time to read one bitch after another about reloaded, it is odvious to me that some poeple just like to complain. Plain and simple, you give them steak and they want lobster, you give them that, then they what steak and lobster! I'm so sick of people who probably have no hope of every doing anything as ambitious as making a movie, hell even a home video saying crap like reloaded lovers need to be killed because they like it! Now thats an ASSHOLE! Fine you don't like the movie but nobody comes down to the 7-11 and tells you you suck at your job(or do they?)Frickin lighten up! Half the reason people are tired of the effects in the movie is because of all the biters that stole every bullettime scene they could over the last 4 years! If anybody has the right to use the tech created first in matrix it rhe people WHO MADE IT! Don't be mad at them, be mad at frickin candy companies and car makers and animations houses that basically steal exact scenes and say hey everyone look what we can do! I personally dug the movie alot, not as much as the first but alot and am looking forward to the final chapter. As far as you spuds with nothing good to say about anything. Just go back to your bitchin and let those with the balls to try and sometime not quite reach the mark do what they do. We know what your capable of...nothin!
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Aug 22, 2003 7:14:06 PM CDT
Totally satisfied with reeling in the Gudgeon-like hippychick14
by batchers
I will now go back back to alternately playing counter strike and watching the revolutions trailer with baited breath for the rest of the night.
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I'll probably watch Revolutions even though I was dissapointed with Reloaded just to find out how it ends. The CGI Kung fu is annoying already, lets have guns with less bullet time and fucking blood beeeatches!
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Revolutions - Probably better than Reloaded, because the trilogy will actually end. All the cynics will get their wish and someone will die, and all the die-hards will get the end to the story. SFX junkies will have more CGI to gawk at. Personally, I'll enjoy it, but whether I love it or not remains to be seen. I love Matrix. I did not love Reloaded, because it seemed slapdash. "Let's rewrite things a bit, go back on some established material, add more kung-fu, less guns, and some painful pointless stuff." Zion speech + rave. French guy with the cake. Neo somehow not being able to get through a door before it closes (yet he can fly). Burly brawl. Silly stuff like that.
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Aug 22, 2003 7:43:43 PM CDT
Keanu is not a fanboy so he probably doesnt worry about other ch
by jon e cin
FANBOY!
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FOTR at 3 pm (extended) TTT at 7 pm (extended) then ROTK at 11 pm (which PJ said will be over the 3 hour barrier anyway)which will carry into the Dec 17 premiere all over the US, check it out at theonering.net this is AMAZING news and every middle-earth fan's nirvana
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Aug 22, 2003 8:37:19 PM CDT
Pissing Yourself While Playing Counter-Strike - What a Rockin' F
by hipcheck13
Dick.
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Wow. Good stuff, especially from Black Lighsaber, steve 1138, and hipcheck 13. You guys are awesome. You actually made sense, made points, and, most importantly, made me smile. You handled the pompous teabags, and the haughty pseudo-intellectuals who wished they were teabags admirably. Harry, I've been looking forward to this topic for a week, but now that everybody's ass-raped each other (twice!), I do believe we need some more hot news.
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In other words, it wasn't profound, but wanted to be thought of as profound and went through the motions [badly] of appearing to be profound. This is why both films inspire ongoing animus. Every time one of you acolytes slimes his way up here and talks about how proud you are of the fact that you "get it" [Christ, there is even one troglodyte who thinks it's because his empathic endowment leaves him more in tune with MR's fine resonances than mere mortals], it reminds those of us who didn't buy into the posing exactly how annoying we found the whole pretense. MR dweebs think they have special insight and AI dweebs think they have sweet and tender emotional sensitivity. Watching you preen all over the place in response to what boils down to quite pedestrian nonsense makes the rest of us want to give you a smack.
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I didn't mean to start a flame war, I just thought the LOTR marathon was an amazing idea and there isn't a LOTR talkback to duscuss it in, no need to bring down LOTR cuz others bring down the Matrix. I thought Matrix Reloaded was amazing, and I admit i only saw it twice and still dont know what the hell the architect was talking about (some help here) but bashing Helm's Deep doesn't make any sense, the buildup to the battle and the delivery lets every1 know that this is an important fight to win, and though the odds are incredible against man's success, they are going to keep fighting anyway, until they are defeated, like what was said in the LOTR dvd a huge theme is "hope without guarantees" and the Helm's Deep battle displays this perfectly, Matrix is good, so is LOTR, I dunno why you had to go on ur lil rave like you did, but different stroke for different folk, man u matrix fanatics are the most defensive insecure people on the PLANET!
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Uuummm, I wouldn't say LOTR is overrated, but what away to make a point. Personally, it's my favorite franchise. Towers and Reloaded are just two different animals. And I am SO glad someone can actually give valid reasons why they like or dislike something. It's a nice change of pace. And Fluffy, nifty theory, and perhaps it applies to some folks, but I stand by the fact that yopu just gotta tell yourself it's an action film that just happens to deal with some out-there themes. I don't know if it's really so much a case of "getting" it ( that really didn't bother me), as it is people giving biased testimonies, and misinterpreting what was actually on the screen. Look people, it's not as if the movie fucking misrepresented itself!! And you can bet your ass there is a precedent for that in Hollywood, when they advertise two hour yawnfests as suspenseful thrillers, and depressing tragedies as uplifting dramas.
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...Goodnight, Ladies and Gentlemen.
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Well, I saw this trailer after the movie. I was shocked. No one stayed. My bro and I were the only ones in the theatre by the time it came on. I always stay til the end of the credits anyway. I liked the guy who said he was sick of people saying he didnt like the Matrix because he didnt "get it". Thats always a bad argument. He is right. Some people just plain didnt like it. I am not one of them. I was never a big fan of the first one. But I LOVED this one. I honestly am confused what people wanted or expected. I don't know what else the Wachoskis could have done. There were flaws and some lulls. But overall I was blown away. More creativity in any ten minutes then almost any other movie all summer. But like I said in another talk back, I really have no idea what people want from movies anyway. If I hear great dialouge and see some good sequences and some thought I dont feel like my time is wasted. Maybe 15 times a year lightening strikes and I see a great movie. This year its not even double digits. But Reloaded is at the top. I cant wait for Revolutions. A bright spot in what looks like a dismal boring fall lineup
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I finally see Open Range and the news items on this film have all disappeared off the front page, so I'm going to post my thoughts in the GEEKIEST OF ALL ROOMS. If you're not a teenager with ADD, go see this film - it's the best film of the year by far, nudging out Bend It Like Beckham easily. The subtleties of this movie are breathtaking, with Kevin Costner allowing Robert Duvall to take the best lines of the film. This picture is an exercise in amazing filmmaking - without an overload of dialogue. Don't miss this gem while it's in theaters. I didn't even want to see it - my girlfriend drug me to it. After seeing all the negativity about the film here on AICN, I was going to skip it - don't make that mistake people!
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Please, when the architect says that the one here because he is the remainder of an unbalanced equation, someone tell me what that means, i know what remainder and unbalanced equation is, but how does that explain the one's existence at all? Btw, animatrix rocks hard, the revolution parts 1 and 2 explain SOO much, a rental is definately recommended, at least to pass the time til tuesday when TTT comes out!!!!
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Aug 23, 2003 3:49:33 AM CDT
Can we stop calling each other idiots for liking or not liking R
by industrykiller
I could see how people would either love this film or hate it, but no one is expressly right or wrong. There are good arguments on both sides. The movie is not the most intelligent philosophical film of our tiem nor is it a piece of crap. It falls somewhere in the middle. I am on the disappointed side of things only because I was epecting more. I'm sorry if that angers you but I thought what I got out of the first film and hearing the hype of what the Wachowskis had in mind for this one was reason enough to demand damn close to perfection. Maybe Joel "There is no bar" Silver should have kept his mouth shut. I like many other am perplexed by Neos lack of his powers from the end of the first film. I also felt the dialogue was far too pushy "Morpheus's cheesy Zion speech" and too much of the action was groundless (the twins who were hyped to the gills just seemed to be there with no ryhme or reason). Also much of the CG (yes on the burly brawl) was not nearlya s seamless as we would have been led to believe. I know you can make a crazy hand to hand combat sequence with cg, but it takes skill and determination to amke one without. I don't think they would have had to make Neo CG for one second of that fight if they had put the effort into it. It was poor easy to spot CG on top of it. Gollum has to be CG considering he doesn't even resemble a human so that's not an argument. With that said there was stuff I enjoyed immensely about Reloaded like the well written and genuinely surprising Architect scene. The one thing I do believe is unarguably poor is the rave sequence. In fact that entire Zion scene is dull, poorly directed, poorly written, and does nothing to advance the story.
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You guys should really mello out,your gonna pop some vessles or somethin. Trailor looks NICE, looks like alot of action in this one. What's up with the guys in leather? They got superpowers or what? I don't know what the fuss is all about you either dig the movies or not, I read some of the talkbacks but not all ( that's too much damn readin) and some of arguing over the borin stuff. My buds have some wacked out stuff they debate about like one guy says that the whole movie is about how someone finds his way back to god, you know, he says that like trinity (holy trinity) represents you know God, jesus and the holy casper and such, and how the red pill symbolizes the blood of christ. My other friends are like it's the total opposite like the Wachowskies are saying that religion is only being used to control people and it's like symbolism for what's going on in the real world. I don't know about that, I believe in God but I'm not super religious either, their probably both wrong but it's been a long time since I've heard cool debates like this.
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Aug 23, 2003 7:15:00 AM CDT
I'd have to say that so far, Open Range is actually one of the b
by almost sexy
One of the best western genre movies I've ever seen in fact. Although it's really unfair to compare it to Unforgiven. They'll probably never make a western like that again. Not my favorite movie of the year, but probably in the top ten after American Splendor, Infernal Affairs, The Good Thief, 28 Days Later, and Bubba Ho-tep. Most people who are bashing it, I suspect, haven't seen it and are doing so out of the compulsory (and understandable) Costner-gag-reflex. If nothing else see it for Robert Duvall and some of the most gorgeous cinematography I've witnessed all year. Gorgeous looking film.
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Think about it, every movie that comes out, hardly anybody likes it!!! talkbacks are full of negative views of woulda and shoulda's . It's sad that these same people call themselves movie buffs.
"it's just not what I expected"
That's the main problem, theres no problem with the film, it's that the film didn't and couldn't reach impossible expectations from spoiled movie goers. That is why harrys review of matrix reloaded was the worst review ive ever read from any critic. Worse than JAmie bernard from the Daily News in New york. It was full of fluff and complete negativity for no good reason. HArry had built up in his imagination what should have been in reloaded. taking things out of context in one or two sentences and expecting to see them on screen, since when does a movie have to do that??? since when does a movie simply because they mentioned the possibility of a monster or an action HAVE to take that action or SHOW the monster?? werewolves and vampires was the biggest complaint and has lasted this long in the talkback only because it was the worst thing he could have said in that review. That the movie didn't present the very thing it introduced was enough for him to be hate the movie even more.
but now he doens't hate the movie. now there are parts that he loves??? Wait a minute look back at that review, You didn't like the movie at ALL.
MAtrix reloaded is still a big issue in these talkbacks because people simply don't know how to seperate a bad movie with a good movie. -
Orion's Angel, thank you for the Ewok.
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I'll use one of those junkmail monthly coupons on it. Sorry denialists, it smells like the new Star Wars movies- radioactive baby doo-doo!...shiny, swank, and smooth infant manure albeit.
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Aug 23, 2003 3:19:34 PM CDT
Matrix 2 committed the worst possible crime a sequel can commit.
by jefferylebowski
Matrix 2 basically asks us to believe that none of the events in the original matter much to the course of the overall story. Watching the original just isn't half as much fun if you consider where the story is heading.
FUCK MATRIX RELOADED.
I hated CHARLIE'S ANGELS 2, I hated BAD BOYS 2, and I hated DUMB AND DUMBERER, but MATRIX RELOADED was the only sequel I saw all year that decreased my appreciation for the original. -
Aug 23, 2003 4:37:51 PM CDT
Hey anyone who liked the movie has gotta check this site out!
by anlashok
http://webpages.charter.net/btakle/matrix_reloaded.html
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Seemingly everyone LOVES the LOTR movies and the first Matrix movie. Yet, there is great division on Reloaded. The big hangup seems to be that New Line admitted before you bothered to go see Fellowship that there was going to be 2 more movies and that you should expect that there is no real end for the story or the characters. But, The Matrix had a sense of completion at the end allowing us to accept it for what it was. Reloaded of course had no ending and left you feeling "different" than you did after The Matrix. That is one of the main problems that pushes people to over analyze Reloaded and search for what caused them to have a "different" feeling. Yes the told us that Revolutions was coming before we went to see Reloaded, but it had been almost 3 years and 300 rip-offs of the Matrix movie style since we had that "feeling". LOTR is not being imitated in every aspect of movies and TV because it isn't original. It is an outstanding retelling of a bestelling book, that was ripped off many times over twenty years ago when it was an original idea.
Reloaded can't seem new or special when every possible direction they could have gone from Matrix has been tried over the last three years and has been called a "Matrix Ripoff". I guess the botom line is that no matter how we look at it, the only way Reloaded or Revolutions would have been "the Best Ever" is if the Matrix would have failed at the Box Office and its ideas put aside as idiotic or pathetic. -
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Aug 23, 2003 7:48:48 PM CDT
Is it my imagination, or does Joel Silver seem to attach himself
by salem hanna
Just a thought. Oh, and I don't mind sticking my neck out and saying I enjoyed Reloaded more than the first. Though admittedly, I had far higher standards for movies 4 years ago than I do now; these days, I just go in hoping for a generally good time and not expecting an instant classic. Monica Belluci...what a beauty...
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Even if I don't completely agree. Your right about Reloaded feeling "different". It absolutely did. But I don't subscribe to the fact that it couldn't live up to expectations. I think we need to hold a higher standard and saying that it simply isn't possible to live up to the expectations is letting it off the hook too easily. There are very real flaws with Reloaded. Not just nitpicks. The rave secene is simply bad filmmaking. The whole affair is just silly. There is an argument that it's relevant because it serves the purpose of being some sort of religious event in Zion. You know what I don't care if it was, it doesn't make the scene any less ridiculous, dull, and out of place. I think that the rave scene did more damage than just serve as a bad sequence in the film. I think it jarred people that the Wachowskis would be irresponsible enough to put something so terrible in their film when they seemed like such flawless visionaries beforehand. Also every time Neo become CG it took me out of the film completely. He just didn't look anything near natural. Gollum doesn't even resemble a real human therefore they had no choice but to make him CG. Also Andy Serkis's performance was so flawless that it overshadowed any obvious animation there was. Making Neo CG in the burly brawl is lazy filmmaking. Would Jackie Chan be the kung fu film icon that he is today if every time something difficult came along they just put in a CG stand in? Of course not. I don't think there was anything in there that would have been impossible to do with the real Keanu Reeves instead of making him CG. One thing that I don't see alot of people talk about is how yawn inducing the actual cliffhanger was. That was the least compelling substory in the entire film and they chose to end it with that. Not to mention how predictable it was. So what if the guy has Agent Smiths brain? He is still a normal human with all the limitations humanity entails. He is no more menacing than Cypher was in the first film. In fact I would say he is less menacing since Cypher was a very fleshed out character and the concept of Smith's mind being downloaded into a normal guy is so silly and formulaic that it's almost laugh inducing. The pacing in this film is also very much off compared to that in the first film. I can't think of one sequence of the first Matrix I would fast forward through whereas I know I could never sit through the first 40 minutes of Reloaded over and over again. Also unless Revolutions explains why Neo doesn't use the powers he had at the end of the first film (which it very well may) I will always consider it a huge storytelling flaw. You can try to guess why he doesn't but until the Wachowskis come out and say it you will always be guessing. Also the fights in Reloaded felt purposeless. That one guy saying you have to fight someone to truly know them? If that's not an excuse to throw in a fight sequence I don't know what is. Neo staying behind to fight those guys in the palace in a loooooong drawn out and typical fight sequence? An excuse to end the highway fight with a bang (it just felt formulaic). Oh well, heres to hoping that Revolutions eases some of our complaints.
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Aug 23, 2003 9:32:03 PM CDT
Salem Hanna, that's one of the wisest things I've read at this s
by devil'sown
In fact, I seem to remember a time when people went to movies just went to the movies generally expecting a good time. Or maybe I dreamed it. IK, I agree, and will confess as much that maybe the film didn't take it to the next logical level as much as I thought it would... But that damn Zion rave didn't bother me that much! Sure, it was kinda silly, but it was also a change of pace at least, a break from the omnipresent feeling of impending doom that's inherent in these films. Hell, if ya wanna be nice about it, it showed that these people have other facets to their lives besides being embattled refugees. You make many good points, so I won't regurgitate everything you just said. But I stick by my guns, and say that Reloaded was good, trippy entertainment, and I would rather watch it than any other brainless action wannabe-blockbuster, as I think most fans would agree. The Devil's in the details. Maybe they'll nail the next one, and it'll be more to our liking. Mr. and Mrs. Joe Cinema (y'know, they who have the bucks?), will just hate it.
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I didn't ahte this movie, honestly I really didn't. There is a good chance that it could redeem itself in a big way with Revolution, that trailer was pretty fuckin' lip smacking. I also don't think people who loved Reloaded are idots, in fact it's downright easy to see whatt here is to love. What I really was trying to point out it why I was disappointed. I don't like being disappointed, I really don't. In fact I was so upset about it at the time that when I called my then girlfriend after seeing it I was in an obviously bad mood (hmm wonder why we aren't still together :P) The hype was too loud. I still don't think it was impossible to live up to but it certainly had a task ahead of it. Guys like Joel Silver really need to let the audience decide and shut the fuck up.
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Hey, Reloaded's not gonna break in to Top 10 anytime soon, but it had it's moments. Don't get me started about disappointment. My girlfriend waas really looking forward to LXG, so I am very familiar with that beast! I know where the expectaions come from. The analogy that may best work is mixed drinks. The original Matrix was a potent, knock-you-on-your-ass tumbler full 'o comic book action, hyper-philosophy, and good old fashioned mythic resonance. So yeah, Reloaded did hold much promise. This time, though, the drink was a little less well mixed, didn't have that perfect balance... But it still had you wanting more, and left you with a hell of a buzz. For my two cents, the running time could've been reduced by excluding all those goddamn speeches (save that shit for deleted scenes on the DVD, Larry and Andy!), especially that "free will" twaddle by the French cat. Morpheus he ain't. And speakin' o' the Uber-Pimp, when ya need a low, threatening baritone, Fishburne's the man, but when addressing the Zion crowd? They shoulda used someone like Samuel L. Jackson. Bottom line, it's sprawling , pretentious, messy, and confusing- but, damn! It was still impressive.
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Man, you people all complain too much. First, I have hard enough about how "bad" the Matrix Reloaded was. I mean, maybe you all forgot, but the Matrix trilogy was originally one story, but it was split into three. Whatever the Matrix Reloaded was gonna be was what we saw. In other words, it was preplanned. Second, everyones expectations were too high. By todays standards, the Wichowskys did a great job. The movie was entertaining at the least, and while I did have my problems with the film, such as the blatant philosophy, I could still enjoy the technical aspect of the film.Yes, the action was satisfying. As satisfying as the first film. Besides, complain all you people want, you saw the film, everyone saw the film, and you're all going to see Revolutions, so complaints are useless, unless of course you aren't going to see Revolutions. On the other subject, I am quite excited about Kill Bill. First of all, Quentin Tarantino. That alone means this film needs viewing. Second, I have a good feeling this is Quentins tribute to the classic Kung-fu. Quentin loves them, and thats what this film is all about. Besides, wait till the film comes out. Meanwhile, I think the two things: Kung-fu and Tarantino are a big draw. Okay, so everyone keep an open mind towards both films. And for heavens sake: NO MORE EXPECTATIONS. Those will be the downfall of good films.
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However, I don't think you will hear any Factual arguements, because they do not have any.
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Aug 24, 2003 7:33:39 AM CDT
A new member offering, perhaps, a little insight...or maybe not
by ocanbob79
I've just finished reading the bulk of the posts about Reloaded. All I can say is, goddamn, some people are getting way too heated over this movie. The very fact that so many people are debating this topic so furiously, proves that the Matrix is a very far reaching franchise whether you love it or hate it. This fact is as true as the fact that these movies have a far more universal central message than some may realize. This message has nothing to do with Christ or the dangers of technology; at least not in a direct sense.
The very idea trying to be conveyed presents itself within the first 20 minutes of the Matrix (the first). Neo goes to his book shelf and pulls out a book acting as a front for a bunch of hacker programs. Before opening the book, Neo stares at the cover briefly. The name of the book is Simulacra and Simulation, by Jean Baudrillard. Admittedly, this is a fleeting moment that goes often unnoticed and did so for myself as well for a while.
Out of sheer curiosity I decided to find out more about this book. As it turns out, Baudrillard is a philosopher. This book's central point should sound vaguely familiar. Baudrillard opines that we as a collective society are constantly bombarded with ideas from the government, the media, advertising, religion, etc. This bombardment, in turn, forces us into an imagined reality. The idea is that all of these great giants (i.e. government, etc.) keep the masses in an apathetic malaise. This apathy being so thick takes away individuality. Instead, the projection each person has of himself/herself is nothing more than a composite of who these forces tell us we are. You are this type of person for dressing as you do or having the political views that you do. Essentially, we are all pigeon-holed by our role in society.
After the book lays this groundwork the true point comes across. Baudrillard goes on to say that these classifications are the wool being pulled over one's eyes. Your role in the great machine does not make you who you are as an individual. No matter where one is assigned in society (i.e. rich, poor, middle class) that person needs to realize that everything else is bullshit. The importance of uniqueness, of individuality and not losing sight of it no matter how down trodden the system has one feeling, are key. These are the main points of this book and, in turn, this is the message of the Matrix story. The matrix can't tell a person who he or she is. Just as the confines of society can't tell each one of us who we are.
Allbeit, this trilogy is presenting this message through one of the mediums it is knocking. Still, how better to reach an audience victimized by this very thing. Once I realized that this, our world, is the matrix, it helped put the story into perspective for me. The rest is all ornate shininess and I liked that too. Still, it is wholly irrelevant to a universal message that should appeal to everyone. So, tear me apart I'm waiting for it, unless you've lost interest in the post before reaching here; in which case, oh well.
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Awesome OConbob79! This is what the matrix is all about, all of these things combined. I came to similar conclusions albeit from a different road (mainly through the works of Daniel Quinn) I haven't yet read the book you mentioned but I'll get right on it. The message in the film is strikingly more relevant to our situation than most people imagine. But I think what is most fascinating about the film is how many vastly different interpretations people receive from the film depending upon their backgrounds. The religious and the not so religious are able to grab details to support what they believe the movie is about. And the information is their to support most of them. I've read essays from some very intelligent people who strongly believed it was a religious and spiritual message and essays who focused on the pitfalls of technology, and of course not to mention the obvious and banal question of "what is real." To create a piece of art that parties of such vast distinction cling onto and call their own is a feat that can not be ignored. Of course it leads to the final and perhaps least important question. Where do the Wachowski Brothers stand? What camp do they reside? And does it really matter? This is my last post on this TB it's at it's end, but it gives one hope that there's cats out there who can see the forest through the trees, -Meleractor out
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I don't think it matters where the W Bros. come down on the overall meaning. The story is an affirmation of the unique quality of human imagination. The story is meant to be uplifting in whatever form that trait manifests itself. I'll entertain any theory, since the scope is so large. Neo does possess messianic qualities, I'll agree to that. This shows through mainly because Neo is the quintissential hero, an amalgamation of all the greatest traits of humans and even some that transcend them. Still, Baudrillard, I highly reccomend taking a look. If you want an idea of how much this book influenced the movie then there is no better example than this: In the book Baudrillard speaks of the point of true realization; when one comes to accept that the composite of who society tells the person he or she is, is false. He characterizes this realization by referring to it as a metaphorical place; a place he refers to as "the desert of the real". Thanks for the feedback.
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whew, and i thought i had to come in and blah-blah-blah in defense of reloaded, but anyway, thanx for the book drop, i'm going to check out simulcra and simulation, as for me i enjoyed the movie AS WELL (yes as well as) animatrix (must see viewing to understand the world of the matrix and it's origins further) and enter the matrix, the w-bros. i think intended the story to encompass over different mediums AND it does it well and it all ties it together
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It has nothing to do with precocious lore, or nitpicking logistics. All that to me is far to so much nerd drivel.(but hey, where are we posting really?)
1.Pacing-The rhythm and placement between the first and second are completely different. Pacing is the most underrated quality in films. For me it makes or breaks the experience for me.-I take gameplay and control over graphics each and every time I buy my games.
2.Music-I am a complete music snob(worked 3 1/2 yrs. at San Diego area/Seattle area Tower in the mid 90's as an ad artist and electronic music buyer-I have been going to sound system parties dancing with a crew since '92)so I appreciated Jason Bentley's direction w/the music. Now I do not know whether Jason Bentley(a well known radio personality and underground DJ in the 90's LA's exploding underground party scene...fuck I hate the word RAVE) was still selecting and advising for the film's music, but it was a complete flashback in how Blade 2 bit it for me. Snipes knew his music and advised for the 1st film and there I was in the theater watching Re-Loaded, listening to the same poorly produced crud techno-trance-breaks-isht I suffered through in Blade 2. The "burly brawl" music was laughable(as was majority of the music) and I did crack up out loud at the sheer cheap sound of its score.
3.Choreography- Man, it is the same w/the music. I am not some johnny come lately, I am old school kung-fu/ dropping acid at the HK festivals in the early 90's type fanatic(theres nothing like dosing to "East is Red" and "Bride with White Hair"). I love Ping and have seen a majority of his work. I feel w/the creative magnaforce invested in the Matrix Machine, and w/the help of Woo, they were capable of creating a whole new level of fighting, like Harry expected the Monster Squad, I expected something more than slow motion string acrobatics and standard HK fare choreography-something more dynamic and break through, akin to comparing tapdancing to high level competitive breaking and up rocking.
4.Dialogue-I do not quite understand how more of you aren't aware of the sheer black and white difference in quality of dialogue. Matrix 1 was sparse and never confounding, conversation was aquatically subtle and profound like five word statements made by far gone philsophers. Characters said all they needed, nothing more. Matrix 2-Oh man... where to begin- bastardized symbolic drivel(MEROGOVINGIAN), egoistic huffing(SMITH), masturbatorial techno babbling(the ARCHITECT), bloated speeches(MORPHEUS), sputtering soap theatrics in its quiet "character developments"(NEO/LAME DOZER REPLACEMENT/WIFE/TRINITY/ZION'S MAYOR etc. etc. YAWN.
5. Philosophy/Mythology/Symbolism-I have read the mythology and the conspiracy theory lore on which ALL of these characters names are based-Merogovingian/Persephone/Morpheous
Read about the Holographic Universe, Seth Speaks(must read),the bhuddist/hindu philosophy on a circular existence/ christian bleached banter on resurrection... it is all becoming just regurgitated obscure reference. When you mix all the paints in a pallette, you don't get some unseen color, just puke fetid brown or a crud black. I'm not going to go in to the CGI, I believe that is a matter of taste and perception-leave it.
-I do not expect all of the Matricians to understand or remotely feel my point of view, but I had to state my personal reasons to dislike this franchise. I do not believe enjoying or pooing on a movie has to do strictly with lore or facts- to me it can be purely sentiment and emotional rhythm. All the factual/mythical ass kissing possible in a new Star Wars film will never appease an old Star Wars fan or bring me back to that deflowered franchise, nor will compounding F/X, techno jargon, the finest in leather fashions, STAR power, obscure philo/anthro/symbo/mytho terms and facets will convince me to find genuine pleasure within a film. I adore the first Matrix, period. I enjoy fine vegetarian Thai food over the BK squirts.
If I am guilty of over expectation, so be it. I would rather suffer eternal for quality, than settle for momentary giggles in mediocrity-Peace! -
matrix reloaded was a good, popcorn, summer movie and that's not a bad thing, but when you're talking about the sequel to somethin as cool and ground-breaking as the first maitrx, that's just not good enugh. Reloaded's fault wasn't that there were no vampires (i dont think they fit in that wordl), it was that they dind't improve anything from the first matrix, they stuck to their old formula and the result was a movie that wasn't as good as they promised us, the story, the characters everything was the same and there was no improvment or change, even the fights and the efects seemed similar to any other movie i saw last year So the was that Reloaded lacked the creativity and balls that Matrix had. That's just my opinion anywawy.
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Aug 24, 2003 11:16:13 PM CDT
Looks kick ass...I'll be there again first day, loving it.
by commando cody
This whole "let's bag on MATRIX RELOADED" crap has gotten tired fast. For the most part, I agree with the gauntlet that Orion's Angel threw down by noting that (for the most part) those who are shitting all over the film are those who seem to hate the idea that a sequel SHOULD push the concepts introduced in a first film farther, if not alter them altogether. Or maybe you guys are just becoming cynical old fucks who now get off on bagging on movies just for the fun of it. In short, officially the kid in some of you has died. Well, to each his own. You didn't like RELOADED? Fine...save your money (you'll be glad you did) and don't show up for REVOLUTIONS to ruin it for those of us who ARE looking forward to it. If RELOADED was such a huge disappointment to you, exercise your "theater voting rights" and just go check something else out. Meanwhile, I'll be there opening day again for this because so far the Matrix movies are 2-0 in giving me a great night out where I simply had a good time, and where I cowed through my large popcorn by the end of the first reel...
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Aug 24, 2003 11:20:03 PM CDT
PS: to ObscureReference -- Michael Moore, Sarandon, et all and y
by commando cody
"They all deserve apologies now." What a bunch of bullshit. Do you pay much rent for the dream world you live in or can anyone afford to move there? Michael Moore is a sack of shit who is so bloated we should've just dropped HIM on Iraq. His worthless crap piece of ass would've created a crater bigger than any cluster bomb, that's for sure...
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Spoiled fanboys! Thats all I have to say. You rot away on this site with daily film spoilers and Joel Silvers hype to only then be disapointed after seeing it and waste kilobytes of my bandwidth whining about it?!?! Just like SW Episode 1 you put all your pathetic lives on hold so you can put all your expectations, daily motivations, and small shreds of hope into one 2 hr film truely shows how trite you are. No wonder you hated those films afterwards and then continued to further waste my bandwidth of reading with blown out of porportion lies and tripe like "I fell asleep...", "the cgi", "kept checking my watch", etc. It's obvious, this film struck a chord. So much in my life have I seen something so different approach me as uninteresting at first only to realize later on the more I thought about it... it made sense and was better. A couple years fromnow this film will be "brilliant" to all those that are bashing it. God forbid in a couple years when possibly another Matrix series rumors around you'll be grabbin your wet hypocrite pussies in anticipation saying how can the previous brilliant films be topped. Just enjoy things for what they are. Everyone on this site including it's webmasters are guilty of hype and giving into spoilers. "Spoiler free for Ep 3"!! So much for that... Were all spoiled brats. =)
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Matrix : Reloaded wasn't very good because you touch yourselves at night.
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Think of the Matrix movies in terms of what music prevails in the background. The first movie was a delicious mix of techno and orchestral pieces, giving us cool shit mixed with beautiful images. Reloaded was primarily techno, wasn't it. So here we're given a movie that is mostly comprised of "Cool shit" though the philisophical themes were still present. Revolutions, as far as I can tell from the trailer, seems to be more orchestral, giving us an idea of the beauty that was so well hidden in the first Matrix. I think this movie is going to focus on evoking emotions that Reloaded never even prodded at.
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