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Yet another reason why Paul W.S. Anderson & ALIEN VS PREDATOR suck!
Hey folks, Harry here... As if I needed more reasons to not like Paul W. S. Anderson, this time it is an outright blasphemy. No Stan Winston on ALIEN VS PREDATOR... that's sacrilege. Not only has Fox found the most worthless talent in the world to make this film, not only have they ignored the advice of James Cameron, but now they're going ahead with this without Stan Winston. I still want this to be a good movie, would love to hear the pop of Paul W.S. Anderson pulling his head out of his ass and direct a great genre film, but I've waited too long for Mr. "Worthless Shit" to do something wonderful, only to continually have the runny remains of his "vision" slapped upon the screen in front of me to groan at. Ignoring everything that has come before... GREAT IDEA... ugh...
Hi fellow aliens lover
I read this over at superhero hype which gives me
grave concern and as far as i'm concerned the final
insult......
Stan winston said he won't be designing any creature
stuff for ALIENS VS. PREDATOR but will be working on
HELLBLAZER uh.. i mean CONSTANTINE instead. He also
said that the script was wonderful but here's the link
for all the gory details
Click Here to Weep and Get Pissed!
I guess I have to read the predictable review on your
website cos I for one won't be watching it.
If ya use this it's MoviepleXAnd this is who got the gig...
Hey Harry,
I saw the post on your site. Rumor has it ADI is doing the effects for the Aliens vs. Predator flick. They are all ex-staffers for Stan Winston so chances are, if Stan was awarded the gig, guys like these would've ended up designing and building everything anyways. This is the group of fx guys who did Alien Resurrection (ugh). Hopefully the suck that these guys generate will cancel out the suck of Paul W.S. Anderson and we will be left with a film that brings some sort of unexpected, empty happiness.
Codename Bacon
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My first first post. Sweet. Anywayz, Paul Anderson needs to be skinned alive and fed to starved pigs. Did he make a checklist of stuff that would make this movie cooler than hell and do the complete opposite? I mean Stan Winston fucking designed the Aliens in "Aliens" AND the fucking Predator!!!! Wouldn't that be a no brainer to hire him to do the creature effects? My god Hollywood's fucking stupid!!!!!!!
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I thought I was going to be first...... SHIT!!!
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Hey ! First, you've got to think that Stan Winston is pretty much expensive...Come on, it's Jurassic Park's Guy !
Ok, he create the baby, (with a good help of Steve Wang, by the way). I mean the predator one, cause, even if he work on Aliens, he didn't create the Aliens.
Why can't you just let a chance to some new guys, who promised new designs ? Afraid of the change, maybe...
The fact of Being a Superstar didn't help Rick Baker when he was fired from "Cursed" because his Werewolf sucks !
This won't change the fact that the first look to the script of the "Aliens Vs Predator" flick really sucks...
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...because they should
ask KNB or the good folks
at Amalgamated Dynamics.
They (->A.D.) did the creature
FX on the last two Alien Movies
and they did a pretty good job
too. As far as I know they also
were on the Stan Winston Team
when they did "ALIENS" back in
`85/'86. So don't worry too
much about it..
c U
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Yawn.
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I have no idea who the guy is that Harry is so sad to see not working on this, or what he does. Who cares? So long as they get someone (anyone) who can do a GOOD job, whoever that it doesn't matter to me. I just want to see it as a good movie with aliens that look and act like aliens, and predators that look and act like predators. If happy can accept some short skinny guy playing Jason instead of Kane Hodder, he should be able to overlook this.
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Before checking the link, I thought to myself, "Well, it doesn't really matter because it's not like Winston was the chief guy on ALL of the Alien movies. And then after reading it, I was reminded of just how much he contributed to not only the Alien Quadrilogy (yes, I'm dying to get my hands on that fuckin' box set) but to the Predator series! And then to think that he was dying to work on the series combo? Who's the fucknut that passed on him? The guy is still putting out damn fine work! You know what, fuck Paul Weasel Shit Anderson. And fuck Fox for making the decision to hire him as director while under the influence of moldy mushrooms. Fuckin' cocksuckin' whores! Jesus, fuck!
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Aug 06, 2003 5:12:05 PM CDT
I think the sequel should be called Aliens Vs Predators with Hul
by chaffro
"Kill me, brother. Wait, don't all rush at once..."
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i think the amount of shit being tossed at mister anderson is unfair, event horizon was cool and resident evil had, err, sweet opening music.
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I am very disappointed that Stan Winston was not asked to be part of this project. Ideally, I would have loved to see both HR Giger (creator of the original Alien design) and Mr. Winston work on this film together - especially if there is the potential for an Alien/Predator hybrid design. Sadly, Paul W.S. Anderson continues to alienate (pun definitely intended) fans of both series. Of course, there is the chance that once Mr. Anderson turns in his weak script (see Soldier and Resident Evil) to 20th Century Fox, the powers at be will see fit to yank this project away from him (like Warners wisely did to Brett Ratner).
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im sorry harry but your constant self hatred for mr. anderson is very discouraging to me. u did the same thing w/ the scooby doo movie that u do w/ paul anderson w/ the constant negativity. ok so u didnt like (ok, u hated) soldier but if i remember correctly u seemed too somewhat like event horizon which was actaully pretty good even though paramount fucked it up in post production. mortal kombat was fun. and resident evil is pretty good also and even though u seem to bash that movie u didnt even feel the need to review it (did u even see it?) so basically what im sayin is try to have some faith cause this could be a cool movie even w/out stan winston (im sure he's busy w/ other projects anyways and the guys who did alien 3 and 4 did a good job) so im looking forward to this movie and hope it kicks all kinds of ass.
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I think Anderson is pretty cool. Mortal Kombat, Event Horizon, and Resident Evil were pretty awesome movies. I mean, in a lot of parts of RE, I felt like I should have been hating it, but no, I thought the whole thing was pretty enjoyable.
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Aug 06, 2003 5:25:21 PM CDT
Wow, a director whose asshole isn't embedded with Harry's tongue
by boris the blade
Amazing...you sure you wanna do that Harry? Now that Frankenheimer's pushing up daisies, how you gonna score those Rollerball screenings?
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Anderson is a shit-sucker, I mean did you see Resident-freaking-Evil? What kind of bullshit was that? Sure Event Horizon was a DAMN GOOD film but all his other shit is exactly that, SHIT. He's gonna kill my favourite franchises more than they have already been killed (Alien Resurrection and Predator 2). Last I heard is that they got the SFX dude from a Woody Allen movie for AVP.
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Aug 06, 2003 5:29:18 PM CDT
How can someone hate Anderson while loving the garbage from Del
by vikingkitty
Anderson is a cinematic genius compared to that hack Del Toro, who's ass Harry never fails to kiss.
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Isn't this old news already? i seem to remember reading this on other sites last week. What's wrong with your site Harry? If you're gonna give us news, please make sure it's new. Ans Stan Winston was only involved with one "Alien" movie, so really, who cares? Tom Woodruff and Alec Gillis have been doing the alien FX for the past 17 years, so I think we're in safe hands there. Predator is a different story though...
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That's all i gotta say!
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Aug 06, 2003 5:37:46 PM CDT
"And on your left, you see the flaming wreckage of what could ha
by 007-11
If this movie is even decent it'll be a miracle. They must have a shoestring budget, or are really stupid.
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Aug 06, 2003 5:47:02 PM CDT
Maybe this movie will have the most awesome alien ass kicker, DA
by rcamacho2278
I dont know, you guys said T3 wasnt gonna be good without the Camron, and it was a great film.
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wouldn't it be something of a crippling disability as a director, when you virtually the same name as a more talented director? kinda like being called 'david simon fincher' or 'james bradwell cameron'. still, it'd be interesting if paul thomas anderson made 'alien v predator'. think about it: it would probably have beautiful cinematography, juliane moore, glacial character development, and - for the finale - a bunch of frogs falling from the sky because he couldn't think of a better ending.
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Aug 06, 2003 5:50:05 PM CDT
Yeah, Paul WS Anderson sucks! Did you see Magnolia, or that pie
by t-mack 1.01
All kidding aside, the fact that they're now making ANOTHER Resident Evil movie, just kicks my drift. I mean, did they learn anything after Tomb Raider 2?
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It's a shame that Stan Winston isn't involved in Aliens vs Predator, but why does Harry hate Anderson so much when he likes the offensively shit Rob Cohen and the pathetically mediocre Jonathan Mostow?
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The creatures, both the aliens AND the predators, ALREADY EXIST. Stan Winston ALREADY CREATED THEM. I'm not sure what the real issue is here. So Stan ain't working on the film. Big deal. He is not the only effects wizrd in the business. This doesn't mean the aliens and predators are gonna look weird or different all of a sudden. The creaures are all still going to look exactly like they did in the other films. And don't fool yourselves into thinking that if Winston WAS on the film it wouldn't suck like it's going to. This film will not be good because ANDERSON is doing it. THAT'S the reason to get pissed.
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Aug 06, 2003 6:12:28 PM CDT
"A whine is just anger through a smaller hole." -- Stuart Small
by blue_demon
Good Lord. Why all the drama? H.R. Giger designed the alien in the first movie and Carlo Rambaldi did the mechanics. So it's not like Stan Winston needs to be there for the creature to work. Yes, Mr. Winston is incredibly talented ( his Terminator is one of my favorite robot designs ) but other Alien movies have come around with great effects in them. Some of the crews who worked on those films broke off from Winston if I'm not mistaken. It seems to me that if you work in special effects make-up in Hollywood, you're working in a small world. Dick Smith begat Baker, Baker begat Rob Bottin, Steve Johnson etc. I think as long as they go with one of the majors, they will have some cool critters for us to look at. I think Harry just needs an excuse to complain about Anderson, and this non-issue was just what he needed to vent. I will wait until I see the effects to pass judgment. The story...well...that's something else entirely. I have not read the script and can't comment on it.
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I have just came back from T3, and while it was far from Kurosawa, I must admit i was truly shocked and very pleasently suprised. Who'd a thunk it? therefore, i will not criticise this until i see it, even though resident evil should have been amazing, and was in fact as a great vat of putrid semen. 3 was fantastic, and two action sequences (the chase at the start, and the fight in the toilets) easily, easily rank among the best in the series. Criticisng films without seeing them makes one as bad as those idiots who condemned dogma or last temptation of christ without viewing a frame. Are we to become the collective Mary Whitehouses of the net? I hope not.
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when i read comments pertaining to the idea that its too bad a "good" director like James Cameron doesn't direct.
calling Cameron a good director is similiar to referring to the Lord of the Rings films as being "good" movies. in other words, its laughable. usually, the person making such a claim is either unaware that any film occurred before the year 1990, or that directing with talent and "vision" started when Cameron himself ruined the original concept of ALIEN, by making a ridiculous buddy picture with a bunch of bonehead marines that only served to turn a great original film into a moronic franchise.
further, Anderson directed a perfectly entertaining, if none too suspenseful picture, with Resident Evil. granted, the games are ALL far MORE suspenseful, but the picture was superior to most everything else last year, especially the horrendous "The Two Towers". -
I think Aliens should fight the Punisher, they would make friends and have a tea party with Pete.
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so James Cameron ain't Eisenstein. big boring deal. usually, the person making such a claim is an embittered old hack who thinks that nobody should dare to make a sequel to an atmospheric SF horror as an action flick, and actually manage to make a better film in the process. BTW your purism would seem a lot more interesting if you hadn't blown it by praising Resident Evil and trashing TTT in the same sentence.
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"event horizon was cool"
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"T3 wasn't gonna be good without Cameron, and it was a great film."
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Resident Evil was fucking cool as hell. paul w s anderson dosent suck nearly as much as mcg that fat fuck loves so much. this sounds a hellva lot cooler than friggin kung fu soccer or whatever the hell they wanna call it. this bearded bastard has reviewed CA2:full throttle, hulk, AND hates matrix? this guy is off his rocker! just because stan friggin winston is not at the front of class making sure everyone glues the fucking masks on right, this guy goes and throws a hissy fit. gimme a break, mace out
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Resident Evil, one of the best films of the year? Better than The Two Towers? Wow, people never cease to amaze me. I'm sure you found Battlefield Earth and The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen to be cinematic masterpieces. I believe that the vast majority of people would agree that 95% of Paul WS Anderson's output has been mediocre at best(Event Horizon makes up that other 5%). Do I think Alien Vs. Predator will be horrible? No. Do I think it will be mediocre, bland, uninspired and instantly forgettable? Yes.
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"HARRY KNOWLES VS. PAUL WS ANDERSON".
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Aug 06, 2003 7:38:27 PM CDT
how can Harry despie Anderson's films and praise Robert Rodrigue
by beamish13
Spy Kids SUCKS, OK? stop kissing his ass all the time.
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Harry, In January you ran an article by Quint based on an interview with Tom Woodruff, one of the founders of ADI. Quint said: "If you're a horror geek in any sense of the term then you should be familiar with his work. TREMORS, ALIENS, MONSTER SQUAD, PUMPKINHEAD, TERMINATOR... the list goes on. Not only did he work on the effects for the above films, he IS Pumpkinhead. He was the guy in the suit."
sounds qualified to me. Hypocrites.
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And if 2003 is The Year of the Sequel, then 2004 shall be The Year of the Direct-To-Video sequel. Christ, Jumanji 2, ANaconda 2, and now Aliens vs Predator Minus Batman. Piece. Of. Shit.
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Do you folks even know what you're talking about??!!? (I see some of you do) The work of Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff at Amalgamated Dynamics is nothing to sneeze at. You don't like Anderson, fine. You don't like Alien 3 and/or 4, fine. But that has nothing to do with these guys, who do great FX work, including that of the past _3_ Aliens films!! duh. show respect!
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nice catch, man
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Aug 06, 2003 7:51:51 PM CDT
The problem with Paul Anderson's movies are the scripts, not the
by shogunpoker
Soilder was a piece of shit, but I saw it on tv the other day and visually, it looked good. So did Event Horizon, but both suffered from gimmicky, who-gives-a-flying-fuck storylines. Oh, and I thought Mortal Kombat was a good movie.
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kidding of course. this flick sounds like ONE TO MISS!
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INT. DAY
Fat man sits in front of computer.
Rummages pudgy fingers over mess on desk to find phone. Makes call.
Harry: Harry here, How about a special screen of all your movies in Austin before they come out on bootleg.
Mr. Anderson: Screw you nerd.
Harry: How about a set visit.
MR. Anderson: We don't have that
kind of catering budget.
Harry: You'll feel my wrath!
Mr. Anderson: listen idiot, I'm not a local Texas filmaker like Rodriguez, I'm not fat like Del toro or Peter Jax and I don't want you on my set.
CLICK
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First Star Wars, then the Matrix, now Aliens. Sigh. I actually liked Resident Evil and gave Anderson the benefit of the doubt. Then I heard the commentary track on the DVD last week. The guy is a complete tool. Prepare to witness one of the great toxic filled flaming train wrecks of movie making. Kill two classic franchises with one turd, sounds like a great idea to me.
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Aug 06, 2003 8:06:10 PM CDT
Hey I liked Resident Evil...but the modern day Antartica concept
by iamarayya
This is evidence that the Sci-Fi big budget movie genre is on the decine :(
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Aug 06, 2003 8:14:29 PM CDT
ADI also did the creature effects for the third ALIEN movie (the
by psyclops
The stuff they did for RESURRECTION was awful. They tweaked the design to the point where it didn't really look like the Alien from the first three anymore (the chin extended way too long and the teeth were too big so it looked goofy). The creature effects for ALIEN 3 were actually pretty good, different look from the previous movie but still a far scarier monster than what they delivered in the fourth ALIEN. Hopefully, they'll get their act together for AvP and deliver the goods (because I doubt Paul Anderson will). Like Harry, I'm hoping that this turns out to be a good movie.
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Or did someone do that joke already? (Now now, I enjoyed the "Dead End" short) Anyway, what I figure they could do is, is rework the ol' Batman Vs. Superman script: Aliens and Predators have been doing the same work--slaughtering humans--but with different ethos for years, and the tension between them has been building as their methods and motivations have become more and more estranged. When the Aliens are led to believe the Predators are responsible for the death of their Queen, it all comes to a head and an epic battle consumes Metropolis. But at the end it becomes clear that the Dark Knight has engineered the entire scenario all along, whereupon the Aliens and Predators team up and shred Batman into a thousand scraps. Cliffhanger ending to set up the sequel: Lex Luthor reveals he is also a Kryptonian, and flies off. I smell Oscar!
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Aug 06, 2003 9:00:41 PM CDT
This site called that Aliens vs Predator vs Batman (!!) fan made
by moriarity report
..yet Harry continues to rag on this before it's even made. What's the deal? You can't have father Geek calling Batman vs Predator vs Alien the greatest screen incarnation of Batman ever, and then bash this thing before you even know how it's going to turn out. I'm sure Harry has a good explaination for this discrepency because he is a righteous individual with a lot of good geek sense, so I'll wait to hear it. But yeah, I agree this is a stupid idea. Haha. I haven't even seen Alien Ressurection yet. I haven't had a reason to see it, although it looked decent; these films need to be more than "decent". People think the shit hit the fanboy with the Star Wars prequels, wait untill the public unleashes their anus muscles on this thing. They should just leave the Aliens out of it. Just do Predator vs something else, or just Predator. You don't fuck with a great franchise like the Alien trilogy and not get burnt. This could turn out to be a great, fun movie, but that won't be enough for a lot of people. This isn't Freddy vs Jason guys; the Alien films are in a whole league of their own. The exec's who thought this was a great idea aren't going to have a very ong career in Hollywood.
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Get ready then for the amazing sequel: Aliens Vs Predator Vs The Thing
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It's amazing that Stan Winston's head fits through the door these days. He's being awfully disingenuous when he says he 'created' that stuff. All you guys that are so quick to the keys go back and have a look who DESIGNED the alien queen. Cameron's a good artist, and his designs are quite specific. Stan Winston may have 'created' it (with a lot of help from a lot of talented people) in terms of literally building the character, but he didn't design it. Same goes for Terminator. Does anyone think Crash McCreery put his name on Stan's sketches? I don't think so. I would say that Gillis and Woodruff (the A.D. guys) were the Rob Bottin to Stan's Rick Baker but that'd be a bit unfair to G & W. I'm not saying Stan hasn't done great stuff, just that he's gilding the lilly here. Oh yeah. Paul Anderson can suck the sweat for punishing us with Soldier. How does he keep getting jobs when it's so damn hard to get a film off the ground?
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Aug 06, 2003 9:39:57 PM CDT
Harry, this hate on for Anderson is seriously getting fucking ol
by tall_boy
#1 you wore this shit out about 2 years ok? #2 I don't give a flying fuck what you think, I still want to see Aliens vs. Predator as much as I wanted to see if ever since I first read the comic back in the early 90s.
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Stan Wiston must be busy working on another "Alien Autopsy" panel.
Plus Alien vs Predator? Why not Peanutbutter vs Jelly? How can this rock w/o Carl "Action Jackson" Weathers and Shane "Lethal Weapon" Black, and Jesse "The Governor" Ventura? Are Aimee Mann and Jonn Brionn doin' the soundtrack? Are they ever goin to release Howard The Duck vs Chunk From The Goonies?
These questions and more can only be answered by the with TWO middle initials.
(William H. Macy) "I Love You Stan... Stan The Make-up Man... And I'll be GODDAMN GOOD TO YOU!"
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Did you bitch this hard when James Cameron refused to allow Giger to work on "Aliens", or to allow Shusett and O'Bannon in on the concept? As far as I'm concerned, Cameron screwed with the "Alien" concept as hard as anyone is ever going to. And guess what? He still made a damn good film. Clearly, slavish dedication to the original films is not necessary, and that obviously includes using the original artist. Your little one-man wars against Anderson and Freddy Prinze Jr are becoming really tiresome, especially considering your tacit support of Michael Bay. I'm sorry, but nothing Anderson has made gave off the fetid aroma of "Armageddon".
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So what if Stan ain't on the movie? His designs exist already. It was a bad move even to veer off the original predator design for Predator 2. Use Predator's design and all will be well. Same for Alien. No Giger in Aliens meant nothing re: the quality of the film. There's more than Stan out there, Harry, just as there is more than ILM. It's about time some other good design houses got a shot. 5 years almost everyone would have answered "ILM! Stan Winston Studios!" to the question "Who should design the LotR movies?" Nobody knew about the colossal potential of the burgeoning WETA studios. So, who gives a good fuck if Winston is involved in something else? HELLBLAZER is a far, far finer comic anyway and the man is better off involved in it than this turgid, cynical franchise. Cynical, by the way, as in it is there to titillate the easily titillatable nerds who shun quality and originality in favour of old stuff re-done for fans and their MONEY. Aliens vs. Predator certainly doesn't exist because great potential it has.
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At least Bay makes empty-headed movies chock full of style and adrenaline. Paul W.S. Anderson made FUCKING SOLDIER!! James Cameron, PLEASE SAVE THE ALIEN FRANCHISE FROM DOOM!
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this is the same paul thomas anderson who did doctor who? if so, GOD SPEED.
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I didn't think it was half as bad as people said, but I know it could have been a LOT better. I still don't like him doing AvP. If there's gonna kill any chance that Cameron does Alien 5, then at least get a kick ass director.
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Did Anderson run over your dog or molest youas a child Harry?
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Aug 07, 2003 2:05:26 AM CDT
Screw Anderson or anyone else, Just Hire Peter Jackson and Weta
by brian_de_man
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Aug 07, 2003 3:10:47 AM CDT
This is official: Cameron is directing a film about the love sto
by lord_soth
My entire day is ruined now!
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Jesus, what is Harry's problem?!?! As if AVP could possibly be worth seeing whoever directed it or whoever did the effects. It's not being made for any artistic reasons, dude, it's being made to squeeze the last few sheckels out of an increasingly dull movie franchise and the dumbell public who queue up to watch any old garbage.
What is with Harry's negativity to Paul Anderson? His films might suck but no more than most others being made at the moment. You know, if Harry's such a great arbiter of what is good film-making then why isn't he sat in a director's chair instead of in his bedroom in front of his PC jacking off about other people's creativity?
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Aug 07, 2003 4:51:09 AM CDT
Why are there so many heated opinions on this? Aliens vs Predato
by sea bass
What's next, Mighty Mouse vs Aquaman? Alien was a decent horror flick that Cameron turned into a mindless action movie. Predator was just a cheesy Arnold film. This thing's going to make Freddy vs Jason look like Pacino vs Deniro in 'Heat'. As for Stan Winston's involvement, the fucking things are already designed! Please tell me how you would ever have a chance of telling the difference.
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At least his films have some sort of visual style. Flicks like the Rock and Armageddon are fun movies, albeit poorly written.
But Anderson has a 100% shitastic record.
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Aug 07, 2003 6:02:12 AM CDT
It's always good to be so fucking biased and hateful when suppos
by jackburton
Just because he wouldn't let you on the set of Soldier, everything he has ever done since has automatically "sucked" and been decried by you, as if that actually meant something to anyone. This movie might suck, or it might be cool, could go either way right now, but at least I'll wait until I have something to actively judge by until I start whining like a petty little bitch about it all. And at least when I judge it, I'll be doing so based on the film itself, and it's quality or lack thereof, not because of some petty immature hatred for the guy directing it just because he wouldn't suck my cock and give me "fwee pweasants" and stuff back in the day. I don't hate the site, but this whole attitude is fucking low, rather pathetic, and ultimately the epitome of immature. You truly do give fanboys a bad name sometimes Harry.
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Hmm. Well, I liked Event Horizon, and thought Soldier and Resident Evil were okay. Granted he ain't the guy who made Magnolia or Boogie Nights, but what do we really expect. It's Aliens vs. Predator, it's not arthouse, or even Oscar fodder, so let's all just calm down. It's again: Aliens vs. Predator, as long it is better than Aliens3 or Predator2 (which I liked, who gives a f*ck?
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Paul Anderson is a great genre director and Harry doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. I am confident that he will deliver a very entertaining AvsP and since when is Stan Winston a stamp of quality? You did see Wrong turn right and all the "great" Arkoff remakes? And why does he have to design creatures that he didn't design in the first place. Stan Winston has become a franchise, a name that for some reason is suppoced to envoce the feeling of quality with us geeks. Well the crap that he has been producng lately is nothing to write home about.
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I must say that I was really hoping that Anderson would bring Winston on board for AvP, as Winston is the guy who created the Predator from scratch, after all, and was responsible for the best looking xenomorphs of the entire "Alien" movie series. Yes, even better looking than Giger's original design for the creature on Scott's 1979 picture. I loved how Winston took the essentially blank canvas that was the boringly smooth domed portion of the first alien's head and added all kinds of little graphical flourishes -- rows of rib-like ridges and sharp, mini shark-fin type edges -- to catch the (sparsely employed) lighting better and make the creatures' noggins more interesting (and intimidating) to look at. Given the fact that Alec Gillis & Tom Woodruff, Jr. apprenticed under Winston on "Aliens" and then saw his and their work on said film win an Oscar, you'd think that Gillis & Woodruff would've opted for a design approach more faithful to Winston's when they struck out on their own to do the makeup FX for "Alien 3" and "Alien Resurrection"... but, alas, they did not, inexplicably returning the look of the creature(s) to its relatively staid roots. Oh well. Water under the bridge, I suppose. However, Anderson could've corrected this retrograde slide via AvP by not allowing Gillis & Woodruff anywhere near AvP. And the fact that he has apparently not -- as well as the fact that he has decided against hiring the eminently superior Winston -- is ultimately his movie's loss.
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WHo cares? Winston has lost credibility over the years and now just takes personal credit for other people's ideas, including people outside his wonderfully staffed studio. I know. He did it to a friend of mine. Stole his character design out from under him, down to the iris, and claimed to have had the idea for 20 years. Hack.
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Surely someone out there with the know-how (i mention no names) should set up a big petition and we can all sign it, then everyday an updated version of it can be sent to Fox by as many people as possible. Perhaps someone who lives in the states and has the time and money could also print that baby out and post it to fox too. Come on! we have to fight this wrethed evil! I think we are owed a good Alien Vs Predator movie considering how long we've been made to wait. So Fox, take this piece of crap back and give us something we want!
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AWWWW, Anderson didn't let Harry come play on his set (maybe Paul feared being eviscerated like John McTiernan) Bottom line Harry...Being prejudgemental of films and filmmakers is WRONG for a person in your position. Your personal likes and dislikes should have NOTHING to do with the movies we see and are PLANNING to see. I believe you have an obligation to be OBJECTIVE and UNBIASED. (NOT like FOX NEWS where if you're not a NEO-CON you can shut the fuck up) So much nowadays is made of the INTERNET BUZZ about the movies. Sometimes I wish for the blissful days where If I wanted to find out if a movie was any good YOU HAD TO GO WATCH THE MOTHERFUCKER!!! You paid your money and took your chances. But honestly wasn't it fun?!!? I remember going to see the first ALIEN movie with my best bud. We saw a few trailers, read the ads "IN SPACE NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM" but entered the theater ENTIRELY CLUELESS. And still to this very day I can remember how that movie made my skin crawl. How I could feel my gorge rise as Veronica Cartwright was mangled by the alien on audio only Huh-UH... HUH-uH.. SNUFFLE SNUFFLE,SNUFFLE AAAAAA!!!) Ahh, the bliss of innocence. To not have the steaming turds of fan boy postulations poured into my consciousness before I even purchase my ticket. Of course, I shouldn't even bother, those among you who have anointed yourselves as the sages of cinema (FANBOI sez this movie isn't even in Pre-production but it will suck because I WILL IT TO BE SO.)
gaHH, I give the fuck up. Go ahead sit here and prognosticate and postulate. Fill your spleens with poisonous bile and vent it on the rest of us. I'll just go the movie, fork over some bucks and wait to see what happens. Sometimes I am pleasantly surprised (Road to Perdition) sometimes I am horribly disappointed (SW-EP I)
Sometimes I actually think about how I would have made it better (LXG) if I were the director.
BUT you pays your money and takes your chances. Part of the game, the FUN part
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!
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Event Horizon - entertaining. Soldier - silly fun. Resident Evil - kick ass. The guy's no James Cameron, but his movies aren't that bad. At least he doesn't fall into the fast-cutting bullshit like McG. I think the Alien franchise has been raped and ruined over the years, so why not take a risk on something like this which sounds ridiculous on paper, but might just be fun. Harry, lay off the guy.
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I agree that Harry takes the 'hatin' a little too far when it comes to Anderson, but seriously, the guy really is a hack whose film budgets and projects really should be going to someone else. There are billions of people of earth... many of whom are trying to break into the film industry as directors working on low-budget, straight to video stuff. Not to say that all of them are Spielbergs in the making, but I'm sure that MOST of them would be better-suited. Hell... most monkey's with clapper boards would be better-suited. Please stop giving this man money. And if you enjoy his movies and "don't understand what the big deal is", I'm sorry about your mental retardation.
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I mean it's not like whomever ends up building these creatures has to be a conceptual genius or anything - they just have to re-create what's been put on screen before. Hell, you could pick up any of the Dark Horse series and find plenty of good takes on the predator design alone. I'd like to see Winston on this just for consistency's sake but I hardly think his is the only studio who could pull it off.
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Aug 07, 2003 9:35:27 AM CDT
And another thing - yes, this movie is likely to suck, but I'll
by movietool
Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
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Aug 07, 2003 9:39:55 AM CDT
E.C. Re: James Cameron, PLEASE SAVE THE ALIEN FRANCHISE FROM DO
by hobbitastic
The only way to save the Alien franchise is to NOT MAKE ANOTHER ONE. I don't even think James Cameron could do it at this point. I view Resurrection the same way I do Terminator 3: an entertaining movie that is rendered pointless because the story was ended nicely before it. We have to face it. Alien is over. Please, no Alien vs. Predator, no Alien 5. No nothing. Just re-release the original, the special edition of Aliens, and Fincher's cut of 3. And leave it alone. It's for the best.
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Winston DID NOT create the aliens. He re-designed them based entirely on Giger's work. None of what you saw in Aliens originated with Winston. Giger is the GOD of bio-mech. No one was doing it before he came along. Winston benefited from being a talented artist who knew how to incorperate Giger's style into the new alien design. The Predator, however, was a great design - worthy of praise (and a nod to James Cameron, who came up with the pincher mouth idea).
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to get worked up over this? like stan winston is the only one in the world that can do it?
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Aug 07, 2003 10:16:15 AM CDT
If they cast Lillard and Prinze Jr. in this movie, do you think
by rev_skarekroe
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Aug 07, 2003 10:26:28 AM CDT
Bladerunnerunit and the rest of you fucking moaning fuck-bots: W
by silentbobafett2
Firstly if you're all such clever, "un-sad", anti-Hollywood people; WHY ON EARTH DO YOU BOTHER COMING HERE? I mean did the name Aint-It-Cool not give you a hint of a FUCKING idea that this isn't for the Anal Retentive Sight and Sound target audience! This is for people who love ALL aspects of movies. THat right we like good movies, fun movies, forgien movies, english language movies, Hollywood cheese we love the lot! THe Rock, funny I don;t ever FUCKING remeber Bay or Bruckhiemer ever releasing it asd a PRISION movie, in the sense of THIS IS PRISION LIFE. Because, er, its fantasy ACTION and the Rock is a tourist attraction taken over by SOLIDERS. I don't remeber Eastwood escaping! So if you don't like HOllywood movies, if you don;t like fan boys, if you don't like Harry then WHY THE FUCK DO YOU COME HERE? I really don't understand. I mean, maybe its a jealosy thing! Apart from the whole LARGE GINGER THING I think Harry's got it pretty cool! He runs THE BEST movie geek site on the net, THE BEST MOVIE NEWS SIGHT ANYWHERE, he has shit loads of movies and geeky stuff, he knows film makers and fellow film geeks and he travels the world to movie sets! I think that you're all just a little jealous!!!!!!!! I know I am! So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't come here if you hate this stuff and let the FANBOYS rejoice in the beauty that is movies!!!!! When you LOVE (and I mean truly love with all of your heart) the movies then, and only then, may you return......
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let's not even entertain the ludicrous proposition that they'd be squarely matched! and has anyone heard anything, finally, about the live-action Courageous Cat movie?
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Don't really think this development is going to be all that much of a factor in the quality of the film; I'd bet that most effect houses could do aliens and predators in their sleep. I certainly think that Anderson's a huuuuuuuge hack, but even so, I'm not going to automatically assume this movie is unsavable. The script and cast will truly tell the tale here. Who are the humans in this film to react to the latex and CGI?
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Aug 07, 2003 10:34:39 AM CDT
How can anyone, even PWSA, screw this thing up? It's Aliens vs
by serious black
You got two species of extraterrestrial duking it out. How is this idea any better than Godzilla vs. Mothra? Let's face it, the Alien "franchise" died in the opening credits of Alien 3 when all those awesome Cameron characters were just discarded like a bag of used condoms. Any hopes of rekindling the magic were dashed by Alien:Resurrection. With all due respect to Joss Whedon, how the hell did a cloning procedure regrow both Ripley and the alien in her belly? Complete nonsense. As for Predator, it's been so long since the first two movies, does the general public even remember them? This movie seems destined for the garbage pile no matter who directs or does its special effects.
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Aug 07, 2003 10:41:37 AM CDT
Oh yeah! Almost forgot, Harry's got him a NEW CATCH PHRASE!
by serious black
"I would love to hear the pop of [insert name here] pulling his head out of his ass and [insert action here]." Nice one, Harry. Lemme try it. Here goes. I would love to hear the pop of talkbackers pulling their heads out of their asses and realizing this movie will suck no matter what.
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I'm a big believer that, well, Michael Bay is a total hack who wantonly sacrifices any form of plot, characterization, and in intelligence in order to make bigger, louder, explosions. What impresses me about bladerunnerunit's talkback is the lesser known sequences he refers to...and he's right on the money. The fight between Benny Urquidez (probably beefed the spelling on that one) and Cusack in Grosse Point Blank was totally turbocharged. It's nice when a movie with great plot and intelligence comes along that also kicks your ass with action, but its frustrating that those are so rare, and get lost in mountains of total shit piled on the market by guys like Bay.
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Aug 07, 2003 11:01:33 AM CDT
By the way, the title alone tells you that this will suck ass
by devil0509
Anything with the word versus in the title. Right away you know a bunch of suits got together and decided to make take a big steaming pile of shit and serve it to you. Plot, characterization, intelligence were never even part of the equation. To paraphrase Doug Shaftoe, "Don't you think it would be a useful skill, that when a big steaming pile of bullshit is dropped on your head, that you are able to say, dear me this seems to be a big steaming pile of bullshit?" Next time Hollywood serves up some bullshit with (insert franchise character) vs (insert other franchise character) you all should just ignore it and let it go quietly away.
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Aug 07, 2003 12:16:08 PM CDT
The only good movie I've seen with "versus" in its title
by gere's assgerbil
Kramer vs. Kramer. Never saw The People vs Larry Flynt, but that one might be good, too.
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Aug 07, 2003 12:21:49 PM CDT
In Production: Kramer vs. Kramer vs. Godzilla vs. Hulk Hogan vs.
by jocko
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Aug 07, 2003 12:27:36 PM CDT
HARRY: Why Dont YOU get off you big fat pimply ginger ass and di
by jocko
Im so sick of ploughing through streams of blue writing just so I can get to the point of the post!...Oh and you never know..Mr anderson might make a good movie here.
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Thank you for your points. I agree wholeheartedly about crucifying a director before we've seen anything. And yes, Harry SHOULD be much more objective. There are other directors that could shit out a movie that Harry would love, so let's be fair Harry. In defence of Anderson, Event Horizon was a VERY moody/well shot film, and if he brings over his same DP, it could be just the look this new film needs.
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Aug 07, 2003 12:29:58 PM CDT
Finally, the one we've all been waiting for: "Justin vs. Kelly",
by mind explosion
yes, it's my dream project - esp. the part where she goes after him with the lawnmower
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Look at it this way: The aliens and predators have already been designed by Stan, they're a done deal. All anybody else has to do is follow his lead and they can't really screw it up. Constantine, on the other hand, is in the design phase for it's creatures, and if handled by a lesser FX man, it could really, REALLY suck (instead of just sort of sucking since Keanu Reeves is playing an American "Jon" Constantine). Stan's efforts on Constantine could drag it up from being a complete waste of time to the level of being something worth waching for the creature effects, at least. AvP doesn't need any more development, though. It's all been done previously.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Phillip K. Dick he ain't.
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The guy doesn't understand that when you make a video game into a movie you have to actually make it into a movie, as in, not make a video game into a movie trying to be a video game. As long as almost every single video game being converted into a movie is given to this guy the list of shocking video game to movie conversions will continue. Yes, there's the aliens vs predator books which are the main thing, but my guess is that Paul Anderson's basing it on the games, considering video game to movie conversions seems to be 'his thing'. There're so many games with great stories out there that could be movies. I just hope none of them fall into this guy's hands.
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Harry, why don't you tell them the real reason you hate Anderson so much?
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Harry, you make me sad.
I understand irrational and compulsive hatred of a Hollywood icon. I despise Keanu Reeves to the very core of his non-being, but even I have to admit that the Matrix films were decent despite his significant presence. The proposed AvP movie is no different than the Freddy vs. Jason movie in that it's being made for the mass of rabid fans who asked "what if" (probably after seing that alien skull on the Predator ship in P2), not as an integral part of the mythos created in the first installment of each series and then, essentially, discarded in the sequels. That's probably why Cameron wants nothing to do with it. It's not art. It won't allow him to further any story he feels the need to tell or express some conflicted anti-war-yet-pro-genocide message he forgot to include in Aliens. It's (supposedly) going to be a fun Hollywood money-maker. So why not let Anderson do it? He's more than capable of that meager task. Soldier was a bad film, granted. A waste of Kurt Russel's talent as an actor. But Event Horizon wasn't bad and Resident Evil was just a lot of video-game-turned-movie fun.
If what I'm hearing is true... that you've got some personal grudge against Anderson that's making you bash this movie before so much as a shooting script has surfaced... then you're doing all of movie fandom a giant disservice and the very purpose of this site should be suspect. I know you're not a real journalist (real journalists don't accept gifts or payola and certainly wouldn't hold a grudge because such weren't offered), but you should at least respect movies enough to let them take a few staggering steps before trying to use your, quite frankly, surprising influence to kick them to the ground.
I read your reviews/thoughts/insights even though I'm pretty sure what you'll have to say is self-centered crap. I do it because I hope, every time, that you'll surprise me with a bit of objective insight gleaned from years of professed movie-fandom. Opening ourselves up to the possibility of enlightment, even at the risk of disappointment, is how we grow and what life is really all about. Just ask Charlie Brown why he follows Lucy into that field every time to kick that football. One day, he hopes, she will have matured enough to actually let him kick it and they will both be richer for the experience shared.
Until then, I say to thee "Ughhhh!"
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Aug 07, 2003 2:47:56 PM CDT
That's okay--as soon as Anderson gives Harry a phone call, it'll
by mynamedoesn'tfit
An suddenly AvP will be the best movie of all time.
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Stan Winston would be nice. Alien Resurrection doesn't deserve and 'ugh.' With your attitude now, the film will never live up to your expectations.
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Aug 07, 2003 3:12:41 PM CDT
ATTENTION morons! Steven Wang designed the Predator! NOT Stan Fu
by klam bake
I think Winston has proved time and time again (at least to me) that just because his name is attached to a project does not garantee it will have great mechanical or make-up FX.
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And are these the same guys that did the effects for Batman: Dead End? I know they were ex Stan Winston guys. I don't have a problem with this, it's not tlike the creatures have to be designed. They just need to be put together. you don't need to pay the big bucks for that.
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I don't know why he said that. I mean, he DID physically create it, probably sculpted it, but Jim cameron designed her. We've all seen his production art and heard him say that he designed her. Just a strange choice of words I guess.
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Aug 07, 2003 4:03:08 PM CDT
Is that Cameron film about the freedivers based on those same di
by vegas
If so, that could be something quite interesting. Thematically similar to THE ABYSS, only no aliens or warheads. Just a tragic love story played below the waves. Also, BladeRunnerEunuch? This isn't a Bay talkback. You're really pathetic in your relentlessness, you know that? We get it. You don't like Bay. Still, you've yet to offer a single fucking thing to say about hating Bay that was remotely INTERESTING. You also miss the point of why he has fans. People don't see his movies for the scripts. They see his movies because he makes dumb fun movies. That's what he promises, and that's what he delivers. You don't like him? STOP SEEING HIS MOVIES. HE'S NOT MAKING THEM FOR YOU. If you see a Bay film and don't like it, really, you have no one to blame but yourself. Also, BladeRunnerEunuch? You are, as always, a fucktard.
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Army of Darkness is actually called "Bruce Campbell vs The Army of Darkness"
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Aug 07, 2003 4:17:46 PM CDT
Why don't you like this guy? You guys thought Resident Evil and
by russman
Personally I enjoyed both as fun popcorn movies. They entertaining for entertainment purposes. EH actually scared me a few times. What about this guy do people here don't like?
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Aug 07, 2003 4:32:04 PM CDT
Yo, who is the jackass who said Resident Evil was better than TT
by angry man
Whoever said that is a moron. Resident Evil sucked. I mean, if it wasn't for Fisburne and Sam Neil, Event Horizon wouldn't even have been watchable at 11:30 on a random Tuesday night while drunk (That's how I saw it!)
This WS Anderson asswipe sucks. Oh, didn't he make that God-awful Mortal Combat. This has straight-to-video all over it.
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Anderson got where he is by working his ass off. Maybe you don't like his movies, but it's unfair to say he doesn't 'deserve' the budgets he gets. They shouldn't go to someone 'more worthy'. Budgets and jobs go to the people who go out and get them. IF money only went to 'deserving' filmmakers, movies would sick the sweat off a dead donkey's balls.
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OK,sure Paul Anderson has made some pretty lame sci-fi films. Soldier is just god awful, but based on Resident Evil, I was kind of excited that he'll be doing AvP. Watch RE again, it's an incredible film pacing-wise and editing-wise, plus there are tons of Aliens homages. It's obvious this guy loves that masterpiece and respects it as one (who doesn't?). But no Stan Winston? That plain sucks as much as the last two sucked without Winston. Hell, the last one's FX were shit; it looked like a bad B movie. You don't put B movie effects into an Alien film. So I'm undecided about how AvP will turn out...so I guess I'm not sure what point I'm actually trying to make here. Just...ignore this rant.
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Damn, dude, what weed are you smoking 'cuz I want me some of that shit? Anything that can make a bowl-stainer like Resident Evil appear better than a critically acclaimed film with several Oscar nominations under its belt is some gooood shit!
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Ummm... kind'a doubt that, Angry Man. The name alone will pack the theaters with kids who recently discovered the original films on video. Not saying it will be a great film. As has been pointed out, few "vs." films are. But it WILL make money... even if they hire an epileptic monkey with the trots to direct a script co-written by Keanu Reeves and Anna Nicole Smith.
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Event Horizen and Resident Evil are fun films done fairly well for what they are. Matter of fact Event Horizen is one of my favorite Sci fi/horror films. I think this movie is going to be done well and have faith in the director. Not sure why there is so much hate here.
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Alright geeks..
While I am not a fan of Paul Anderson he had nothing to do with the choice of special fx company for this film. These decisions are made by the producers and studio execs.
Stan Winston is an arrogant ass but he was the better choice for the fx as he has the better crew at his studio. ADI is the company doing the fx and while they were getting big for awhile they are now kind of small fries and dont even carry a full crew anymore unless they have a big project.
I will also say that the budget is soooo tight they are only letting the sculptors work for one week on the new alien suit..thats something that would normall take at least a month to get right. Now this isnt really ADI's fault..its the studios.
There is an incredible amount of penny pinching going on with this film.
this isnt going to be a pleasant surprise like T#..this is gonna suck big time and it aint even Paul Andersons fault... its the studios...
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Aug 07, 2003 5:05:15 PM CDT
You may be right Death Machine, but you have to admit that once
by angry man
... the juices turned extemely sour. I mean, talk about a sequel that no one outside of the geek masses was asking for. I mean I am mildly interested because I loved the Predator movies and Alien, Aliens and Alien3 (Resurrection sucked ass) but I don't know if the buzz is reaching the masses. I predict $50 million at best. The sad part is that A v P has the potential to be a good flick but not with WS Anderson helming. I hope this is good but my expectations are real low right now.
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There`s Paul THOMAS Anderson the "auteur" of Magnolia, etc...There`s WES Anderson who does quirky comedies like "Bottle Rocket" and there was a Paul Thomas the sort of mediocre new young filmaker with a lot of enthousiasm, the sort to mesmerises studio exec. by sucking dicks like Bret Ratner, Bore Verbinsky, etc...So why "W.S."? Is he trying to say he`s as good as WES? Is it supposed to be funny? BOTTOM LINE: Jim Cameron and Ridley Scott should direct this. OR Robert Rodrigez in a shoot-em-up Desperado carnage-style!
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I've been reading these other comments here and it seems you don't like Anderson but you do like Michael Bay. I want you to sit down and watch Armageddon and Resident Evil back to back and tell me, honestly, which one's shit and which one's an actually filmmakers' movie. Know what - I bet you ask most film fans to compare the two and most of them will look at you crazy if you say that Armageddon was in any way a better film. It's story, it's characters, it's editing, it's music, all PURE SHIT! That movie is lost to the American public, no one gives a crap about it now, because what's to like about it? Hype, that's it, and that's gone. Resident Evil, now that's a fucking sci-fi movie. Anderson actually holds on shots for more than 10 frames, a welcome change from Bay. And he cares to, you know, actually frame his shots, where you can see what's going on. Armageddon is just a collection of close-ups cut together into a blurry mess. I'm all for opinions and taste, but you can't call yourself a sci-fi enthusiast and not see the style in Resident Evil and the complete lack there of in Armageddon. (Not to mention his total creative misfire on Pearl Harbor - a could-be Oscar contender premise turned into a Ben Affleck film - nuff said) Come on, Harry. These directors' works speaks for themselves, not you. I trust what's on screen only, not persona, not gossip, not who gives you gifts or not. Matter of fact, I just don't plain trust many of your opinions at all. You just happen to like some of the same films I do. Hell, I have friends who don't know shit about film and don't care to and they still have better taste than you. You can't be a film fan and not like a film because you don't like the director personally. That's the whole point of a director, you don't have to know him or her, you just watch what they've created. So if Anderson has somehow pissed you off by not giving you a scoop or not giving you gifts or some shit, as it sounds like from what people are saying, then maybe you don't deserve the power you have on this site. Hell, just because you were the first, doesn't mean you're the best. Far from it. Oh, and speaking of, why don't you organize this fucking mess of a site, after all these years. Come on now? You must have enough time and cash, if you can create lame animations every other week, you can clean up this shithole, right.
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ALIENS VS. PREDATOR VS. TERMINATOR. Bwa-ha-ah!! Ya know ya like it! No, man, most of the time, the Roman in me is content to sit back and just watch the uproar, but this is one of those topics I feel strongly about, as I'm sure a lot of you do. ALIEN and ALIENS are what many consider two of the finest films ever made. I'm extremely fond of them. Predator was a real hoot, back in the days before such things became commonplace. The sequels? Eeecch... They were damn dreary and filled with untapped potential. When I was a still but a lad I loved the Dark Horse AvP miniseries, but when I heard rumblings of there actually being a movie made, it seemed impossible for me to accept... The Xenomorph franchise was seriously wounded in the last two joints, and Predator has been gathering dust as a property for over a decade. It would seem pretty cold and daunting territory to most filmmakers. Still, there is an audience of us stubborn fanboys, who get dreamy-eyed at the mere mention of this now legendary, long-languishing project. And the producers smell money. Sure, some poor sumbitches will go see it, and the fatcats will make at least enough money to afford another trunkload of blow. But, this movie NEEDS to be great, or there's no reason to make it at all. Based only on the director's resume, I'd like to think he'd make a decent scifi/horror/action epic. Who else is gonna do it? Cameron? Right. No disrespect intended, but he's gone on to "explore other opportunities", as we like to say at work when someone quits. Genre movie buffs learn to live without him. Film at 11. Out of the new guys, only M. Night Shyamalamadingdong and Guillermo Del Toro (hellyeah!!), have really impressed me, and this seems like neither one's cup of tea. Soooo, I guess we'll see what happens; learn from this summer- Keep it (your expectations) real, and if it doesn't suck and actually gives ya some thrills, it'll be a pleasant surprise.
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First of all, I don't consider T3 on the level as Alien Res or even Alien 3. True, T2 and Aliens ended both series PERFECTLY, but the quality of the added sequels are what get to me. Res was a little too cheesy, but part of that came from restarting things from Alien 3, which was just an OBSCENELY bad way to end a trilogy, especially after the happy Aliens ending. T3 was actually an alright addition to that series, in my opinion. It fucks up the greatness of T2, but as long as the next movie turns out okay, I'm interested. Now, on to the comment: Call me hard-headed, but the Cameron rumors for Alien 5 give me hope. The rumor that he's gonna act like Alien 3 and Alien Res never took place, and the story's gonna continue where Aliens left off. If he does this and make a movie that isn't a steamy pile, I'll be the happiest person in the world. Matter of fact, while I'm at it, I think the Alien franchise really needs to get rid of Ripley. Not that the character is bad or bland or anything. It's just that Aliens gave her a family and a sense of accomplishment at the end. I think it's time to let some other hero/ine obsess over the Alien menace and let Ripley be happy. And I think a GOOD version of an Aliens DVD DEFINITELY needs to be released.
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Aug 07, 2003 7:12:49 PM CDT
ANDERSON ISNT TO BLAME..HE IS A LOSER ANYWAY YOU LOOK AT IT..BLA
by bong
Another interesting concept down the drain. This could have been an awesome flick, but w. Anderson attached forget it. Look at his films: Solider, Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil...ALL PURE GARBAGE.
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Aug 08, 2003 2:29:18 AM CDT
yes children, Resident Evil is superior to The Two Towers...
by mistergrimloch
so deal with it.
and no, i dont care how many awards TTT was nominated for, or won, or whatever.
i don't pander to the word of the masses, so how much money TTT made, or its accolades critically are totally unimportant to me. unlike many of you mutants, i am actually able to determine, FOR MYSELF, the merits of any form of entertainment. and yes, nerdlings, TTT is simple entertainment, not artistic greatness. you dogshits understand, because you are too young and stupid to have any sense of culture. now, is Resident Evil artistic greatness? obviously not. but it serves its purpose as a mildly entertaining 1 and 40 minutes, unlike the god-awful TTT, at a running time of 3 hours (gee, i can hardly wait for the extended cut, adding 43 more minutes i can puke at).
you online dickwads need to wake up to the fact that while Fellowship was an excellent movie, this LOTR trilogy simply isnt that great, and it will NEVER, i repeat NEVER attain classic motion picture status.
it simply will not occur, because after you get past the event nature of these films, there really is precious little to keep one interested.
i realize all the LOTR nerds are horrified by my tirades about how lousy TTT was (are you listenting Morgoth, you pathetic fuck?) but the fact is, it deviated horribly from the book, and sent the trilogy down the obvious path that Jackson really intended from the start, and that was to make an action oriented spectacle type film.
Resident Evil, while certainly not a film with much "horror" for an alleged horror film, did have a fast moving, and well constucted coherent storyline for its short runtime.
no, it was NOT as suspenseful as the games, but that comparison is like the argument about TTT as compared to the book.
i dont care if TTT was identical to the book, it was a poorly constructed film, with a bad script, and utterly laughable action scenes that figure noise and a shaky camera are sufficient substitutes for properly staged battle scenes.
compare the action scenes from TTT with films such as Spartacus, or even the recent T3, and it becomes obvious that Jackson is not cut out for this type of film.
FOTR worked, because it took its time to present the story, without becoming a drag. with TTT, the viewer is asleep by the time the jittery battle scenes occur. no, i'm sorry kids, but for all its faults, Resident Evil was, in fact, a better film than TTT, and i will stand by this to the end of Third Age. -
Aug 08, 2003 4:41:02 AM CDT
Bladerunnerunit. Sorry to get you so annoyed! BUt my reply:
by silentbobafett2
Its not that I want all movies to be shit ones like Bay's. But I think I would kill my self if all movies were arthouse. I've just being doing a history of cinema marathon. Started a couple of montsh ago and have gone through the silents and will go up to preset day. I'm just working my way through the genius movies that were THE SEVENTIES! OOOOH! Now these are bloody great. But I gotta tell yah I'm getting a bit depressed by it all! I'm not sure if you're aware but the Hollywood Execs were always anti the new Hollywood movement of the 70's. Some were'nt, but a lot where. They never understood why these film were a hit. Then suddenly, one day in the late seventies, the audiences turned. Great movies that once would of been a garaunteed hit were bombing! I mean these movies were class fucking pics. Why did they fail? BEcause moods had changed the audiences didn't want to be crammed with anti-establishment, depressing "real" movies. And thent he 80's came. Npow I'm a child of the 0's so maybe we could blame them., Becuase I love CRAP like Back To The Future, Goonies, Gremlins. Fun films. THings blowing up for no reason. Although one of the best movies of the 80's is Right Stuff, and Blade Runner, of course. So I guess I have some brain. I hate it when people moan that no good films get made anymore. I think right now there is a great balance. Sure shit films Like AvP by PWSA is being made but think of all the great movies being thrown at us. Horror: Cabin Fever, Donnie Darko, Ringu, Dark Water Romance: All The Real Girls,Summer, I love you OH FUCK THIS! You knwo all this. I'm boring my fucking self. What I'm trying to say is that for every moving featuring something blowing up you can see a movie where everyone dies at the end. I love both, Bay movies would NOT be in my top ten or anywhere near. BUT if I'm knackered from work, or depressed BAY is getting put on, TURNED UP LOUD and I'm re-setting that Plasma screen. Now I'm ready for some fucking great movies. An electric tram blowin gup? I thought action movies should be about pushing the boundaries on sound, visuals, editing all in the name of adrenaline. Now I maybe wrong may Turbelance is better than Bay, Maybe Soldier is, Maybe Rutger Hauer movies are, Van Damme? Well if Bay's the worst than these movies withthe FORIEGN bad guy must all be better. Oh yeah, Bad BOys, foreign bad boy. But we could link all that to Americans fear of the "outside." But thats waaaaay to intelligent and argumentative for me. Just got me 81/2 Criterion (which I recommend all get, cause the DVD is much better than the BFI release!!!) which I shall follow with ARMEGEDDON jsut because all this bay talk has got me in the mood and I know that while I'm watching it being HAPPY - you guys will not! Ha! Isn'tt that the point: Who cares if ALL YOU hate The Rock - its been made, nothing you can do about it - so how about all the MILLIONS of people who enjoy it? Why can't you let them be? Its like "OH YOU CAN'T ENJOY THAT FILM! I CAN'T SO WHY SHOULD YOU?" FUCK YOU ASSHOLE - I'm gonna watch what the fuck I want when I want whether its Charlies Angels 2, Bad Boys 2, Grosse Point Blank, Sergi, fucking, Eisentstien, French NEw Wave or mutha fucking P.O Movies of the early 20's! What the fuck does it matter? Ain't It Cool is a GEEK site, its run by a GEEK from his bedroom, 90% of the people who come here are GEEKS, most of whom live in their bedrooms. Now while I'd hate to be put with the BEDROOM crowd I have no qaums about being with the GEEK crowd cos I am aone. AND AM I JEALOUS? HELL YEAH! ike I TOLD YOU in my last post I'm jealous of Harry (Minus the fat and the gingerness!) I'm jealous of the filmmakers who have ha dbigge rhits than me, but am also annoyed by the film makers who are not geeks and don't understand the movies LIKE PWSA! I've lots of jealousy. But its doesn't spew out into my life. I just sit back and I'm thank ful for the movies. Its SHOW BUISNESS and with out the SHOW THERES NOT BUISNESS! Oh and byt he way - Bruce Willis is the best Deep Sea Driller in my Ass..........
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...and still up to your old tricks I see. Well, welcome back and Star Wars sucks old mens nut sacks.
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i am back, although i never really was gone (which immediately indicates the state of my life, but thats another story for another time).
glad to see you're still as thrilled with Star Wars as ever.
(you bastard)
however, this backlash against Anderson is, i believe, quite strange.
the problem with the argument is that the same folks who declare Anderson a hack (which, to be fair, he probably is) then proclaim Jackson or even worse, Cameron, to be visionaries.
its one thing to dislike eating dog feces. its another to shove it aside in favor of chowing down on cat feces.
personally, i prefer cat feces, but again thats for another time. -
Aug 08, 2003 9:53:19 AM CDT
Mortal Kombat / Soldier / Res Evil are shite... but Event Horizo
by aseddon130uk
Event Horizon was f*ckin excellent, his other films were shit, and looking at what he did to resident evil, this should destroy the alien franchise totally,
So, a mesage to James Cameron, Aliens NEED UR HELP! -
GRIMLOCH, I kind of agree on TTT, very disapointing, but I still think it's ten times the film any of the prequels will be. FOTR kicks serious ass. AOTC, perfectly servicable sci-fi, but with Star Wars you need more than servicable. They also stole Vader from me. I used to think he was an evil cool sith, now I know he's just a whiny spoilt brat. NO-ONE can defend "He's holding me back" BLADERUNNERUNIT Event Horizon should be good. Great cast, fantastic (and plausible) concept, cool FX, some spooky moments, but it just isn't. I still can't really figure out why either. I just reckon Cameron or Scott would've done better. Oh, and the surviveing plucky female/ethnic minority formula was patented by Alien.
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I really don't understand all this hatred directed towards this Anderson guy. He's a journeyman director. He's not a master craftsman or a great artist, but I didn't think any of his films were that bad. In fact, I didn't even know he directed Event Horizon until I read this TalkBack. I though that was a reasonably good movie, not fantatic, but quite scary, and with some servicable acting. Ditto Resident Evil. So what does that leave? Soldier, I agree, wasn't very good - nice idea but needed a little more flair in the presentation. And Mortal Kombat? I mean, come on - it was Mortal Kombat! It was based on a video game. I'm sure its target market of twelve year old boys quite enjoyed it. Lots of fighting, loud soundtrack, things blowing up. As I recall, some of the sets were quite striking, and one of the fights (the one where the white guy, I think his character was an movie star or something, fights the ninja with the yellow mask) was very well put choreographed and shot. And this movie in question here is Aliens vs Predator! We are not talking The Seventh Seal, for goodness sake. I've got a lot of respect for Harry - he runs with site, giving us interesting news on upcoming movie stuff, absolutely free, and gives us a forum for our discussions but ( you probably sensed a "but" coming there ) his hatred of this fellow does seem to be somewhat out of proportion, especially when he so vocally defends Michael Bay who, as near as I can tell, makes very similar movies to Mr Anderson, but with bigger budgets and, frequently, even worse scripts.
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Aug 09, 2003 8:35:50 PM CDT
Yes Gremlins vs Ewoks/ How bout John McClane vs. Martin Riggs/ o
by shogunpoker
How bout Men in Black vs. Ghostbusters. James Bond vs XXX. Braveheart vs. the Scorpion King. Robocop vs. Agent Smith. Rocky vs. Butch Coolidge. Come on everybody, play along!
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I can say that I to apologise. However I liked Top GUn cause all the arseholes thought they were too cool to like it. So it became a kind of "Wow whats this film that they're too cool for." Cos most of this "cool" kids were pricks. BUT I don't see films and make myself enjoy them to be different; it just happens. But I DO love the Bruckheimer formula. And The Rock (*Bays good one ; - ) ) works for me. Stupid big over the top expolosions, loud, FAST car chases. No truly awful acting. A bad guy with a conflicting personality. A barrage of contained baddies who are all psychos with VX gas at their hands! Plus no forigen baddaies iwth bad accents; all home grown. A nice change not a totally patriotc move, in fact the film is very UNpatrotic! Plus you got an OLD guy (for once) as an actio hero crossed with this young super GEEK (read: GEEK) then, for me, its got all I need to enjoy the film. A producer and director who are PUSHING THE LIMITS on ACTION movies. Wanna see a REALLY bad director and a REALLY bad action movie? Go rent a straight to video one from Blockbuster. Then you'll see Bay has TALENT. But enough, talk backs are silly cos not everyone can like the same thing and no one is goona change another dudes mind. BUt I just implore you and EVERYONE to go lightly ont he Bay bashing. It just comes across as a "I'll be cool if I bash and HATE Bay" but really it boggles my mind cos there is a lot worse directors out there; like Paul W.S Anderson!
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Answer:He's a talented director
that has respect for cinema who
writes produces films that are
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Answer:Another talented director who has respect for the horror
genre and the fans and makes and
writes movies that are good to watch. -
Stephen Norrington is quitting hollywood and this guy should be
kept in as he's the truly talented director between these
british imports.Yet WS makes five
straight flops in a row and gets to make another big budget movie
that we all we all care about.
No justice,man No fuckin, justice.
Now were never gonna see norrington's vision for SHANG CHI
THE MASTER OF KUNG FU..... -
As much as I like the Predator and Aliens, I just have to accept that, in Paul W. Anderson's hands, that this movie will more than likely suck hard.
Mortal Combat made me think that Paul Anderson could be a director to be reckoned with, with it's cool Kung-Fu action and faithfulness to the videogame.
Soldier was OK, nothing to write home about, but hardly terrible (in fact, I enjoy catching it on occasion).
Event Horizon was weakened less by it's direction than a weak story (but was helped by some great production design).
Then came Resident Evil, and there went all my hopes that Paul Anderson could be a force in Sci-Fi/Horror filmmaking. All flash, no substance and barely scary.
I will see Aliens vs. Predator for the same reason that I watch Andromeda on television (which seems to have been gutted by Kevin Sorbo), namely I like to support Sci-Fi and Horror because if we don't they (Hollywood) will not make any more.
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Both movies have had good music. But theres only one Guy that can do the job for this movie, and thats Alan Silvestri that did the score for movies like Back to the Future, Roger Rabbit, Flight of the Navigator, and the best work Ive seen him do Predator. Predator could'nt be Predator with out his theme song. AM I NOT RIGHT!??
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if this movie is pg-13, no one over that age should pay to see it
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Nov 08, 2003 2:57:21 AM CST
Resurrection was fifty times better than anything Paul "Worthles
by black monarch
Really, Alien Res had a lot of really good stuff in it. Everything looked like shit, but the story was incredibly good. However, Paul Anderson's movies have sucked more dick than the vacuum cleaner from Scary Movie. Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil, Event Horizon, all total and complete shit. The Alien movies deserve a better ending than this. The Alien movies deserve redemption at the hands of James Cameron and Joss Whedon, not descent into shittiness at the hands of the guy who made [i]Mortal fucking Kombat[/i]. The fact that I will not see this movie is about as comforting as knowing that I will not have to watch my cat as she gets ground into hamburger.
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