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Scorsese & DiCaprio to tackle the sci-fi epic series HYPERION'!'!'!'

Hey folks, Harry here... if the following story is true, which I hope to God it is.... if Scorsese is looking at doing a science fiction film series, then this is a genius move on his part. The HYPERION series is as great science fiction series as there is in existence. Wonderful characters, beautiful storytelling and absolutely compelling throughout. With Coppola doing Science Fiction next - this could be something truly remarkable. WOW...










Hi Harry-

Lorrimer here. You've posted a couple of tidbits from me in the past. This one isn't a big secret or anything, but I haven't seen anything about it yet on your site.

Dan Simmon's Hyperion saga is one of the best series of science fiction novels in the last several years, if not ever. It's not really a series; it's two long stories each split into two books. Amazing characters, amazing literary references, amazing prose, and one of the most amazing far-future human civilization concepts ever. Mind-blowing stuff. I've always assumed there was no way this could be made into a movie -- the plot is broad and complex (almost to the point of incomprehensibility at times), the amount of CGI that would be necessary is staggering, and the themes are profoundly mature.

Dan Simmons spoke at the University Bookstore in Seattle a few nights ago. Among a bunch of great stuff, he told us that the screen rights for the Hyperion saga have been sold to a major studio -- and that a major star and major director are in talks for a trilogy of movies based on the Hyperion saga. He pointed out that this is the movie business and anything can happen; nothing is definite. He told us that he's not allowed to announce who it is.

But he is allowed to give hints. And he gave us a pretty solid goddamn hint.

He said the director and star did a movie together very recently. He said something about it being a movie with an extravagant budget. And then he said, and I'm attempting to quote him from memory, it was a movie "about some gangs in some city somewhere."

Is Martin Scorsese directing Leonardo DiCaprio in a fucking trilogy of movies based on the Hyperion saga?

If so, if this actually happens, it may be the first real attempt to do with the science fiction genre what Peter Jackson is trying to do with the fantasy genre with Lord of the Rings. Adapt a major genre epic, do it right, don't dumb it down, use cutting-edge technology to attempt something always considered impossible. God, I hope this is what's happening.

More info from Dan Simmons on the possible trilogy:

When the studio first bought the rights, they had a group of young, up-and-coming screenwriters do a treatment. Simmons says this treatment was overly faithful to the four books, making it far too long and unwieldy. In response, he wrote a 15-page treatment himself in which he says he "deconstructed" the novels and reconceived them in such a way to make them viable for a motion picture trilogy. Here be spoilers:

Raul Endymion and Aenea, the main characters of the second pair of books, are the main characters of the whole trilogy of movies -- their love story becomes central. The aforementioned big star wants to play Raul.

To accomplish this, Raul Endymion and Aenea are on the Shrike Pilgrimage which is the story of the first novel in the series. This is obviously a major change to the novels; it's so extreme that it would be inconceivable for anyone but the author himself to propose it. I have no idea how he's going to make this work, but I have to say I trust him. The Hyperion saga as written in the novels would not work as a movie, even as a trilogy of movies. But a trilogy which reconstructs the characters, plot points, and themes of the books in a new way could be brilliant.

He only answered a few questions (each answer ended up leading him into fascinating 15-minute digressions), but I was able to ask whether "The Priest's Tale" was still in the treatment. It has my favorite scene from the books, but it would probably be an easy cut. He smiled, and said it's in -- he said there's no way he could pass up putting the visual of the tesla trees on screen. Damn straight.

So that's what I've got. If you haven't read Hyperion and you have any taste for grownup science fiction, put it at the top of your list. Now if only they'd do this for Stephen R. Donaldson's Gap series...

Lorrimer out.

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  • Aug. 5, 2003, 5:51 a.m. CST

    FIRST!

    by MichaelJackass

    Always wanted to say that. Now I truly am a geek. Aah. Don't really give a shit about this. Sorry.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Second?! Balls.

    by MichaelJackass

    Fuck, beaten to the top spot. Fuck.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 5:53 a.m. CST

    What's next, Leo working with James Cameron again?

    by FD Resurrected

    Never mind. Scorsese should stick to classy character, gangster and period films, not science fiction. Leave sci-fi to Jim Cameron or Ridley Scott.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Great News: Now if Kurt Russell only signs on as Roland of Gilea

    by Corporateplant

    cuz you know he would work great at that. HBO 12 hour series, uh huh.

  • Well tie me to a fucking tree and call me Betty! If they pull this off...what a great set of books those are...some of my favorites. I reread the last of the books recently...Catholics in Space! Dune was essentially Islam in Space, so a book about Catholics in space will go over especially well,, especially when they are portrayed as E-vil. Holy shit! Part my hair with a fucking pork CHOP!

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Actually, Leo would NOT be a good Raul.

    by xevioso-

    But Daniel Day Lewis would be. Maybe that's what he meant. Raul is supposed to be a fairly large guy, able to take care of stuff. he's a bodyguard, essentiially. DiCaprio would not make a good Raul unless he worked out a bit. I can actually see, believe it or not, Vin Diesel as being perfect for this role.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Donaldson's Gap series

    by whatsafavre?

    Now thats a series i would pay to see on the big screen...Cast Brad Pitt as Nick , he's got crazy down pat - James Gandolfini or Tom Sizemore as Angus , Morn Hyland would be a toughie to cast though,maybe everyones favourite Ms Knightly?

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Actually Vin Diesel WOULD be a good Raul!

    by Dolemite_fan

    Hey, shut the fuck up with that shit, recommending an actor whose best role to date was playing a robot in an animated feature (which was a damn good movie btw). Jesus, just because a book describes someone as "big" doesn't mean they HAVE to be big. Thats just as bad as reading a script and saying, "wow, that action was written really well.' Go fuck off, you're not directing, so why do you care how the "action is written." Oops...got off topic. I still would like to have seen what Scorsese's CHARLIE & THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY would've looked like.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 7:12 a.m. CST

    "...gangs in a city somewhere..."

    by Magilla Gorilla

    You guys are all wrong. It's gonna star Ice Cube from Boyz N the Hood (Directed by John Singleton). Picture Ice Cube in space suit swigging down a forty. Instant blockbuster.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 7:26 a.m. CST

    mark my words...

    by Spuggy the Buggy

    ... no good shall come of this. if scorsese gets funds to do this, he'll make a masterpiece. Those execs will sure as shit fuck it up to make their investment back

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Hyperion's place in science fiction

    by zinc_chameleon

    Is kinda late in the game. It's got so many literary allusions and it's got a glacial pace. My understanding is that 'Foundation and Empire' is already under development; that would make more sense as Asimov is a household name to sci-fi and fantasy people. To tell the truth, Julian May's 'The Many-Coloured Land' would make a better film. It's already paced like one, and among the sci-fi world, is just as well known. But Dan Simmons does have clout.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 8:36 a.m. CST

    TOO FAST

    by Trevor Goodchild

    .....about some gangs in some city somwhere? Could be the re-teaming of John Singleton and Paul Walker.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 8:56 a.m. CST

    hyperion

    by exyankee

    Some of the best sci-fi I've ever read. It's a pity that most good sci-fi seems to get fucked up when it's adapted for the screen.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 9:21 a.m. CST

    While I'm neutral on the subject of Dicaprio

    by Lobanhaki

    I would sure like to see Scorsese do a sci-fi movie!

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Nothing SR Donaldson ever wrote should be put to screen-

    by xinpheld32

    unless you're interested in mass suicides across the U.S. Some of the most depressing and morose writing I've ever come across. I couldn't even finish the Gap series, though I managed all of the Covenant Chronicles, somehow. Leper Outcast Unclean, indeed.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Maybe it's not Scorsese and DiCaprio. . .

    by Heffaloo

    . . . maybe it's Stephen Dorff and Director Scott Kalvert from Deuces Wild.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Kurt Russel?

    by xinpheld32

    I always kind of pictured Bruce Campbell as Roland, but I could see it. as a side note, something I'd like to see happen int he Dark Tower series is see all of his verge-of-middle-age, strung-out anti-heroes (see Dark Tower - Eddie Dean, Tommyknockers - Jim Gardener, The Stand - Larry Underwood, etc.) all get together in a Thinny and do the Michael Moorcock Eternal Champion thing, but with more angst.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Anyone saying Scorecese can't do Sci Fi is pretty damn narrow mi

    by Nice Marmot

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Bruce Campbell as Roland?!?!?!?!

    by Randall Flagg

    Sorry, I'm usually the first to jump on the "Bruce would be great as..." bandwagon, but Roland? No fuckin way. Kurt Russell would be interesting. Hugh Jackman would be my choice once he gets a little older. And since Roland is in many ways King's Aragorn, you could go with the obvious and cast Viggo Mortensen. But Bruce... sorry, no. Back to the topic at hand... I couldn't get in to Hyperion. I met Dan Simmons once through a mutual friend and this was when the fourth book had just come out, so I thought I'd try it out. I got maybe a third of the way through the first book and put it down. I've always said I wanted to try again though, maybe this is the time.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Woohooo! My fav all time novel!

    by lazyassdestroyer

    I'm not really sure whether to jump for joy yet - I'm a little scared Scorsese could fuck these novels up. And the Consul is a far more interesting central figure than Raul

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Sod it

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    the Hyperion Canto`s may have some great ideas but as an advert for superior SF it suck`s.....do Donaldson Gap series,Otherland or the Nights Dawn Trilogy if you want great storytelling not this piece of self indulgant cack,the series just wanders off in a daze towards the end and only the themes with the AI`s was any good..

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 10:55 a.m. CST

    The Naughty Noosphere

    by malcarne

    The HyperionCantos will never be made in this kneejerk politically correct climate. The Catholic Orthodoxy reacts violently to any percieved slight or criticism. Not to mention the internecine warfare between the orthodoxy and heretical Jesuits(ala Teilhard de Chardin). It's a pity: the Cantos is the best thing to happen to space opera ever.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 10:56 a.m. CST

    what the fuck is hyperion..and who the fuck cares about it.

    by JOCKO

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Hyperion is a classic example of ...

    by timmer33

    ... a book that doesn't actually tell a story! Many loose ends are left at the conclusion. It is extremely frustrating. I can understand an author who chooses to write a series or trilogy, but each book should at least have a story structure that is somewhat stand-alone. This book is yawn-inducing and doesn't answer any questions. If the author felt it would make people want to read the next one, he was wrong. It made me throw the book down in frustration and vow never to pick up another Hyperion book again.

  • Who knows? If Simmons is doing his own reworking of the saga to work as a film adaptation, THAT in itself is extremely encouraging. Now if only those asshole suits at the studio will let it be filmed from that. I just know those confused, mundane marketing division idiots will be squawking about how this and that should be changed, tweaked or tinkered with--all because they won't a fucking clue how to pitch this to the public. But they never do anyway, which is why studios mess up so many sci-fi films. Look at whom they gave Solaris to adapt--that overrated asshole Soderbergh, who completely botched a classic because he just didn't get it. In the meantime, I'll just keep hoping they film the Ender saga by Orson Scott Card.

  • It's such a beatiful, perfect story (or series of stories) and would make an amazing movie. Then take on the rest with the deconstructed idea.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Oh my GOD, too cool!!!

    by ar42

    A Sci-fi Lord of the Rings is right, at least in terms of general placement in movie geekdom importance. Hyperion is an amazing novel, with six interconnected stories each cool and thought-provoking enough to be a whole novel in their own right. This is the kind of science fiction that so rarely makes it to the big screen. The thought of a serious director like Scorsese tackling a serious science fiction book like this is mind-blowing. Let's all hope it happens! (And for the love of God, read "Hyperion." You won't regret it.)

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Woohoo!

    by GypsyTRobot

    I read all the books and the first series is incomprehensible. The 2nd one would be too Terminator 3 to adapt although it is much easier to follow (part of the story is that there's a female super-robot trying to kill the protagonists while the Shrike protects them). But who really cares about the storyline. This will be a big expensive mess with a carnage-creating, time-travelling Shrike -- a giant, spiky robot who likes to slice-n-dice. Plus there are Catholic battleship commanders who are crushed into bloody pulp every time their ships go into hyperdrive, then painfully reconstructed by their evil AI-controlled cruciform parasites. Leave room in the FX budget for those funky time-warped buildings. Maybe they'll even show the giant tree ship getting blown up. Yeah, maximum carnage, explosions and evil Catholic/AI uberlords, should do well at the box office even if doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 11:32 a.m. CST

    why not another Dune? leo would be the perfect paul.

    by lush

    Hyperion, although great is still second rate shit in comparison. And it's too big to be done correctly.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Donaldson

    by Ben Dobyns

    The only Donaldson worth filming would be adaptations of his (brilliant) short stories or The Mirror of Her Dreams. Not only would everything else of his "cause mass suicides" (as was so eloquently stated by another talkbacker) but the MPAA would instantly censor it for all time.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 11:44 a.m. CST

    dark tower series and ender saga

    by elviskilledjfk

    Randall Flagg: I'm glad someone sees that Hugh Jackman would make a good Roland (i believe i posted this in another talkback, don't remember which one) and i agree with you that he needs to be a tad bit older before he even thought about taking it on. Viggo Mortenson would be another good choice, after seeing trailer's for Hidalgo we know he can pull off the cowboy look. WarDog-I'd love to see the Ender saga translated into film, but at this point, I can't really see them casting Ender's Game properly. I heard a few years back that Card thought Jake Lloyd would make a perfect Ender, but that's absolute bullshit. You need a kid who can act, and act eerily mature. The problem I see coming out of this (the same problem you'll notice in every Dune film-adaptation) is that they'll cast someone older to play Ender and try to get around the age issue, which is pretty central to the workings of the character in the first novel. Speaker for the Dead and the rest of the series wouldn't be nearly as difficult to cast, but who could you cast as Ender? Bean? Petra? Bonzo? Valentine? Peter? and basically every other major child character from the book? You'd need kids who could actually convincingly portray child uber-geniuses. I think the only child actor that I've seen that could do it is Dakota Fanning, and even with her, acting mature comes off as "cute" rather than serious.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Donaldson = feh

    by GypsyTRobot

    His leper hero rapes a teenage girl first chance he gets. Mirror of Her Dreams was trashy and the female protagonist sucked. Feh on Donaldson.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 12:07 p.m. CST

    The world needs to be shown the genius of Dan Simmons!!!!

    by GreatKingRat

    This is great news. I hope it

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Say it with me now, kiddies . . .

    by grunty

    NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN. Sure, studios are desperate for the next mega-trilogy, but this ain't it. Remember how they (read:"the suits") eviscerated "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" last month? If this ever makes it close to filming, expect precisely that caliber of "adaptation." NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN. NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN. NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN. But if it does, stop with the second book. The third and fourth novels (the "Endymion" ones) are sub-standard Riverworld knock-offs. We're not quite that desperate for the next big "sciffy" thing, so please spare us their live-action translation. NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 12:35 p.m. CST

    I can't think of a set of books more poorly suited to the big sc

    by TV CASUALTY

    This sounds like a mistake to me. don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the books. But this has the potential for massive Hollywood fuckupage. Yes, that is a word. These books are simply too complicated, too widespread in theme and concept. It would make a wonderful series if it could be 24 hours long, but I don't see that happening.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Hey Corporate Plant...

    by spookymulder

    Kurt Russell as Roland.... hmmm, never even considered it but I love the guy so it may be doable. A friend of mine suggested someone else as Roland who actually would be interesting. That person would be... a gritty and unshaven Rupert Everett. Laugh now but think about it for a second, it kind of works. Who would I want to see as Roland, personally? How about Daniel Day Lewis or even Jim Cavieziel?

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Donaldson's Gap Series

    by Anita Hummer

    Yes, Donaldson's Gap Series would be a great series. Gillian Anderson as Min Donner, and our man Harry as Angus and Paul Newman as the Dragon. Kick Ass!

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay and Will Smith!!! YES!

    by Josef K

    Thats who he means...Bad Boys II had a big busget and was abotu gang warfare in Miami (which is a city!) Whoohoooo! Of course I'm being sarcastic...

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Gap Casting

    by Lorrimer

    Johnny Depp or Denzel Washington as Nick Billy Bob Thornton as Angus Kevin Spacey as Milos Taverner Emma Thompson as Sorus Dave Letterman as The Bill

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 12:56 p.m. CST

    BRUCE CAMPBELL WAS IN A CAR CRASH!!!

    by Kirbymanly

    Why doesn't AICN report this?!

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Just read the back covers over at Amazon

    by Trav McGee

    Sounds intriguing. Had honestly never heard of the series before, but I've beeen out of the SF loop for years on end. But definitely sounds interesting. Whoever thinks Scorsese wouldn't be able to pull off science fiction, did you think Spielberg could pull off a Holocaust movie? Always give a great filmmaker, especially the ones with near-encyclopedic knowledge of the craft of film and the history of cinema, the benefit of the doubt. ...And I am definitely keeping my mouth shut on the SF author and series that *I* want put on the big screen. Cause if I can't do it someday, I ain't gonna have nobody else screwin em up...

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Who's to say it isn't Martin and Daniel Day Lewis?

    by 007-11

    No, that would be far too sweet.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Deuces Wild!

    by E.C.

    That's the movie, with Stephen Dorff directed by Scott Kalvert. It was about gangs in a city. Ha! All this crap about Scorsese and DiCaprio is WRONG!!!!!!!!!!1

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Amber

    by crinklestein

    When are they going to do a movie on the Amber series by Roger Zelazney?! And also, when the hell is Red Branch from Morgan Llewellyn going to be considered? These would be two kick ass movies!

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Big Screen Letdown

    by septimus_p

    I love Dan Simmon's HYPERION series. It's a cosmic, mind-blowing Canterbury Tales on Acid---and thus everything I read science-fiction for in the first place. However, I can count on one hand the number of successful big screen science-fiction films made for adults, a group which HYPERION definitely belongs in. I don't care if Marty Scorcese is behind this project, when a studio starts pouring big bucks into a science-fiction epic they start dumbing it down for acceptance by mass audiences to cover their bottom line. HYPERION is a challenging, serious work and the average kid who goes gaga over Boba Fett and the Terminator would probably scan the first chapter and say "why are there so many words? My brain hurts!" HYPERION is not for X-Box addicts who loathe the printed word. My fear is that in putting Simmons' masterwork through the hollywood blender that requires all big budget science-fiction appeal to all 13-18 year old males (with an eye toward toy & gaming tie-ins, of course) we'll end up with something onscreen that doesn't resemble the books at all. Better to see the books done as a mini-series for Showtime or HBO where expansive, multi-character stories can be told well (BAND OF BOTHERS) than tossed out into the circus maximus of the local multiplex, where mediocrity rules.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 2:27 p.m. CST

    An author butchering his own novel?

    by Thing-Fish

    Currently, I'm midway through the second book. I'm really enjoying it. But this idea sounds terrible to me. Yes, it's a great series, and yes, if someone were to manage to make it into a film series it would be fantastic; but this kind of simplifying a story sounds horrible: "Raul Endymion and Aenea are on the Shrike Pilgrimage which is the story of the first novel in the series. This is obviously a major change to the novels; it's so extreme that it would be inconceivable for anyone but the author himself to propose it". Does that mean these two characters replace ALL of the Shrike pilgrimage characters?? _______ Though it has to be said, DiCaprio would be a great choice for the John Keats character. And may I suggest Ian McNeice (Baron Harkonnen in the Dune miniseries) for Martin Silenius, the poet, if they spare that character. Maybe Geoffrey Rush for the Consul? (If they spare that character.) _________ Also, I do hope they'll come up with a better design for the Shrike than is on the covers of the books. It is not even remotely faithful to what's described in the text (e.g., "four oddly disjointed arms"). Finally, considering the amount of slicing & dicing going on in the story, this BETTER not be adapted for the kids, this better be R-rated.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 3:24 p.m. CST

    I hope this is true!

    by morGoth

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  • Aug. 5, 2003, 3:48 p.m. CST

    DaryhCrapper: "Megalopolis"

    by Trav McGee

    That's supposedly the SF on Coppola's plate. An original work. IMDB it, though, and it seems troubled. In fact, imdb still has it as slated for 2003.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Even authors can make a bad call

    by winter_mute

    I've read this series...the first book Hyperion is somewhat adaptable but not the whole series. I can see how LOTR got adapted into a great set of movies but Hyperion is too broad...too scattered. But what do I know...

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Don't assume it's Leo...

    by Avalonian42

    Based on Simmons' "hint" as reported by Lorrimer, I don't really see a reason to assume that DiCaprio is the "big star" he's talking about. Cameron Diaz and Daniel Day-Lewis were also in that movie about gangs in some city, and they also merit as pretty hefty guns. I'm holding out to hear more detail before I assume that Leo's the star behind this one... I actually think the other two (Diaz or Day-Lewis) are a bit more likely anyway.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Its definitely Dicaprio and Scorsese

    by Hey_Mikey

    I knew this sounded familiar so I googled it and found the information in an old Film Force article. This is old news, the Hollywood Reporter reported this project almost a year ago, Aug 15 2002. http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/367/367885p1.html THR also says that DiCaprio and Scorsese are also "out to studios with a feature pitch based on four science fiction books from novelist Dan Simmons: Hyperion, Fall of Hyperion, Endymion and Rise of Endymion. The project is said to have attracted bids from three competing studios but is not yet set up."

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Sorry, Lush... there'll never be a good "Dune" movie, at least n

    by TheWoodMan

    The movie rights are still locked in the clammy grip of the Undisputed All-Time King of Half-Assed Hacks, Dino "why bother making it right?" DeLaurentiis. Even if that weren't the case, it's hard to imagine anyone having the stones to do it in the current political climate... we're talking about a story where hardcore drug addiction is not only acceptable, but necessary to the society's survival. Not to mention that uncomfortable little detail about Islam/Buddhism surviving into the far future, with Christianity nowhere to be seen (tough news for American fans of the "clash of civilizations"). The so-called SciFi Channel dealt with these problems, predictably, by ignoring them.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 5:26 p.m. CST

    TheWoodMan

    by elviskilledjfk

    Christianity is present in the form of the Orange Catholic Bible, it's just incorporated Islam, Buddhism and a slew of other eastern religions/philosophies into it's framework.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 5:39 p.m. CST

    religion in SF stories ...

    by Thing-Fish

    .. is usually a cheesy combination of aspects taken from "western" and "eastern" religions. See Star Wars, Dune, the Matrix, Hyperion, etc. etc. etc.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 5:47 p.m. CST

    I haven't read these books but...

    by Cash Bailey

    ...Simmons' CARRION COMFORT is absolutely one of the best horror novels ever written. Right up there with THE STAND and I AM LEGEND

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Dark Tower: 7 Epic films from 7 different directors

    by Raulman

    And The Gunslinger should be done neo-realistically, with a lingering pace and all unknown actors. Whoever plays Roland would become the next Sly Stallone, and then you could team him up with bigger stars in The Drawing of the Three. This would approximate the disparity between The Gunslinger and the rest of the series, which King has apparently eliminated with the rewriting of The Gunslinger. I haven't read the new version yet, but the original kicks fuckin' ass, there was nothing wrong with it.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Wright's Lost Skyscraper

    by malcarne

    Typical of ignorant AICN USERS to ignore what they haven't encountered or don't understand(i.e. all the bs about Roland, Ender, Donaldson et al instead of the topic at hand---Hyperion). I encountered Simmons upon the intitial publication of Song of Kali and voraciously devoured everything post. I'm a big enuf Simons fan to have been disappointed when the Hollow Man film offered absolutly nothing from the novel. Anyway, all this is to say I read the first two Hyperion books in their large trade forms and eventually lost track of Simmons' doings only to find years later that he'd continued the Cantos. Yes, the final books are a bit too Terminator, and this is in reference to Terminator 2 not 3(the whole mutagenic metal thing not the gender). And another problem is the Uber AI motif. Now, there's SO much more going on in this saga. BUT, translation to the screen involves distillation and I'm afraid that means empty signification to a mass audience. Hollywood = no criticism of Catholiscism, no warm Keats, no humanistic FLW, no conflation of heretical Jesuit philosophy and Bhuddism Not to mention the insurmountable budget/philosophical considerations of Outsters, Shrike, reverse-aging protagonists, crucifixtion by Tesla tree, Born-again Catholic astronaut meat puppets, decent world-building Hyperion's damn awesome it's not as much a piss-take as Dune it's not swashbuckling like most space opera crap the prose holds up geez, it just won't appeal to masturbating, wannabe fanboys.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Killer news now its time for "only forward"

    by ZICK

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Could be cool but...

    by Jack Burton

    I'd rather see a faithful version of Simmons' "Song of Kali". That is a seriously messed up novel that gets in your head. Can you imagine someone like David Fincher taking that one on?

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Why...

    by Fatty McJones

    ...do they always have to make the love story central? Can't we have a movie without a friggin' love story for once?

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 7:14 p.m. CST

    this sounds like shit.

    by eau hellz gnaw

    if LOTR fans are into it, it must suck.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 7:29 p.m. CST

    fucking read this

    by kill

    are scorsese and leo gay for each other. gangs of new york wasnt great and the only part about the aviator that looks good is gwen stefani. hey martin,leo is no deniro and never will be

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 7:32 p.m. CST

    good and bad

    by sigma957

    love to see this saga get some of the deserved rexognition, but....i would hate to have it rewritten in this way....but if Dan can do it his way....and not let it get turned into some crap like Gangs (which i just saw for the first time and thought was one of the worst films i have seen in ages)...i'll spend the bucks to see it...

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Hollow Man???!!!

    by GreatKingRat

    Oh for fucking fuck's sake, Hollow Man the film had NOTHING TO DO with the Simmons novel. It was a piece of shit invisible man movie, whereas the novel is about a man with pychic abilities trying to come to grips with the loss of his soul-mate. Maybe HYPERION should be an HBO season series. It could actually be too ambitious for the screen. I will defer to Simmons though, if he thinks it could make it in the cinema. The man is fucking brilliant.

  • get a life you fucking nerds. science fiction is the worse thing to put on film or tv. science fact is more interesting.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 7:50 p.m. CST

    shouldn't it be 4 movies???

    by reignman79

    why does everything have to be a fuckin' trilogy. Also, LOTR could've been 6 two hour movies if they were released like the Matrix reloaded and revolutions would be. whoa. never mind.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 8 p.m. CST

    Hyperion dream cast

    by Ratburger

    Paul Dure: Max Von Sydow Sol Weintraub: F. Murray Abraham Kassad: Tommy Lee Jones Martin Silenus: Ben Kingsley Brawne Lamia: Michelle Rodriguez (She aint great, but who else is tough enough?) The Consul: Ian Mckellen Keats: Leanardo DiCaprio with hair dye (Can't think where else to put the little guy) Menia Gladstone: Helen Mirren And James Earl Jones would be great for the voice of Ummon, if he wasn't the voice for everything else in the universe. Sigh. Patrick Stewart maybe?

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 10:24 p.m. CST

    FOR PETE' SAKE...MAKE BEAR'S FORGE OF GOD

    by tritium

    and Anvil of Stars series. I thought I had read somewhere that Warner Bros. or some studio had obtained the rights to these novels, and are in development to be made into bid budget films. Anyone have any updates on this?

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Yeah, do Greg Bear instead

    by zinc_chameleon

    Eon is perfect for film: really interesting characters (a strong, sexy woman mathematician in the center, the chicks will dig it), a really interesting and scientifically sound cosmology, and last but not least, a plot with real motion. Especially a great segue when our hero gets rescued out of the blue.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 10:40 p.m. CST

    You guys have this all wrong!!!!

    by guerillatokyo

    It's gonna be directed by Walter Hill, and it will star Michael Beck! Jesus you poeple are dumb!

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 12:03 a.m. CST

    give it a break!

    by GrandoCarIissian

    how come every time there's talk of a new film adaptation of a book, harry claims to have read it and talks about how brilliant it is? unless harry lives in some alternate universe where days are 40 hours long and sleep is unnecessary, there's no way he could read all the books he's claimed to read, AND still see all the movies he claims to watch AND go on press junkets/movie sets/etc AND write for and run this website. and if he has read all these books, why is his writing still so fucking illiterate?

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 12:24 a.m. CST

    sounds cool. now, let's see some neal stephenson movies

    by finnegan

    snow crash is just begging to be made into a movie. it would blow stuff like "minority report" out of the water.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Here here Grando

    by El_Barstardo

    You forgot to list the fact that the guy reads every comic book printed under the sun. Plus claims to have some semblance of a social life.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Not to split hairs here

    by Ribbons

    But Peter Jackson does kind of dumb down the Lord of the Rings, considering he juggles around with the pathos of characters according to where he needs "comic relief." I still like the movies, though.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Oh Gawd...

    by ODBHB

    A smell Truffaut and Fahrenheit 451 all over this...stinky.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 1:55 a.m. CST

    I wish this guy came to my bookstore

    by Ribbons

    What the fuck? We get Jonathan Sprout.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 2:17 a.m. CST

    DICaprio to play in Aliens 5!

    by Brian_De_Man

    Thats their next movie!

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Titan, Wizard, Demon

    by turk128

    Talk about a great series, I'd love to see someone with enough balls to tackle Varley's Titan epic. Anyways, there's too many serious epics being considered, I'd rather see something more light-hearted like Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat or Bill the Galactic Hero. And SNOWCRASH needs to be made!!!!!

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 4:50 a.m. CST

    There's already a soundtrack.

    by ghostyghost

    Check out Omid's album Distant Drummer: Completely inspired by Hyperion http://www.omidpage.com/store.html

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 7:42 a.m. CST

    A little too sci-fi for the mass market

    by Lazarus Long

    does anyone really think this will get off the ground? I've had this series on my "to read" list for a while, and I'm sure it's great, but any sci-fi story where these all these alien sounding names and cheesy planet/city names...the public just ain't going to see it. Dune actually had some name recognition and still didn't do business. "Raul Endymion and Aenea are on the Shrike Pilgrimage..." That type of material is too dorky for the average person, for lack of a better term. Scorsese and DiCaprio do not have the pull to get asses in the seats. Tom Cruise would have trouble pulling it off. However, a series like Roget Zelawny's Amber (mentioned above by someone else) would be perfect because it starts in present day earth, and the characters have easy to remember, normal-sounding names (Corwin, Benedict, Julian) for the most part. Plus it's irreverent and funny as hell. The trumps and the pattern would be SFX treats previously unseen. But that probably wouldn't get made either.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 8:06 a.m. CST

    HYPERION's Challenge

    by Roboteer

    One way to discover works like HYPERION is to read books which won the Hugo or Nebula awards for SF. There's so many books and so little time, it's a good place to start and that's how I discovered it. I agree with septimus_p how challenging this series is. Don't sit down to read without a notebook and pencil to keep all the characters straight, and review between sittings. And some research may be necessary on religion and literary figures. Although the story is fascinating, it isn't so much a page turner as a masters thesis of metaphor, imagery, technology, and metaphysical existence, all of which has to be kind of absorbed on the fly. Incredible visions & premises are thrown at you from all directions w/o a lot of exposition. It takes lots of focus to take even half the density of it in. As far as making a movie.... why not start with something less challenging like GRAVITY'S RAINBOW? The final product can be only a synopsis of an outline. All the same, I'd like to see the attempt. This is an important work, if for no other reason than Simmons' uncannily prescient anticipation of the worldwide web. Is there any doubt now that eventually peoples' brains will be wired to receive wireless web directly? That was quite a stretch when written. There's similar battles to those in T2/T3, but more like T2/T3 are similar to this. The bathroom fight in T3 is just foreplay to that of the Shrike and fembot. There are echoes of MATRIX in the way human brain power is stolen as well as the TREK episode with monsters in the transporter stream. And yes, RIVERWORLD is very similar too. Not to mention flashback drugs, metaphysical planes of existence, a tree planetary system, symbiotic alien regeneration, reverse aging, immortality, and religious evolution. What did I leave out? Just about everything..... As long as we're plugging other big scale novels that might more easily make good movies, - Colin Kapp's overlooked TRANSFINITE MAN would be supereasy to adapt as part mystery/part SF, very BLADERUNNER like, with a terrific surprise non-hollywood ending. And MISSION TO THE STARS (MIXED MEN) or anything by A.E. van Vogt. The former, because it was the first novel I ever read, has a strong Heinlein-like female role, TREKish space battles, and romance for the sheilas. I can't believe how many tired sequels are being produced when so many decent prospects go unnoticed.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Overdue

    by Peter Kaas

    I just seem to have this weird feeling that the point is being missed. By a significant margin. Scorcese would the one to concentrate on in terms of this information, not DiCaprio (shurely shome mishtake?). Dan Simmonds has constructed a 2 novel, 4 book work, the like of which I thought had gone the way of Dickens, Steinbeck, or Hardy (no, not Oliver...). It almost defines late 20th century Space Opera. I'm intrigued by Simmonds own suggestion of blending the two stories together, but with a judicious ironing-out of the timeline wrinkles which such a course but require, and the close buy-in from Simmonds himself, Scorcese would be a man with a broad enough brush to paint a canvas this large. I do very much hope that the material is treated with respect, as I genuinely believe we could have a true classic in the making. Best regards to all with crossed fingers. PK Oh, and James Woods as the Consul. You know it's true.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Oh god, not more character actors in green make-up and scales!

    by Lance Rock

    F. Murray Abraham, call your agent!

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Lenny the Cap isn't a major fucking star anyplace but at the fuc

    by BannthisUcommies

    vomit........

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 2:57 p.m. CST

    CONSIDER PHLEBAS

    by badboymason

    If someones making a sci-fi epic based on a novel, why not Iain Banks best book? It has scope, gravitas, a point. And above all for the studios, action in heaploads. A starship fight between two small craft flying around inside a larger craft would be awesome, and plenty of guns, explosions, nasty aliens.... it would rock

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Lazarus: If Lord of the Rings could do it...

    by ar42

    Lazarus-- I beg to differ with your argument that people won't go see movies where people have funny sounding names. Two examples would be Star Wars (Han, Chewbacca and Obi-Wan Kenobi accompany Luke on a quest to Alderaan) and Lord of the Rings (The hobbit Frodo and the wizard Gandalf set out to Mount Doom to defeat Sauron). And 6 of the Top 14 highest grossing movies are taken up by these two franchises alone, not to mention names like the Green Goblin and Lord Voledmort which also appear in Top 14 movies. No, what draws an audience is if something looks fucking cool. And trust me, there is stuff in Hyperion that looks fucking cool: zero-G space combat, a foot chase through teleporters whipping through dozens of planets, a giant metal avatar of pain, huge trees that suck lightning from the sky, zeppelins floating over alien worlds -- all this stuff would look great on film. The Matrix (and, much longer ago, 2001: A Space Odyssey) showed that its possible to combine amazing visual imagery with thought-provoking dialogue. If anyone can do it again, its someone like Scorsese.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 6:41 p.m. CST

    james cameron

    by rasok19

    A late response to an early comment: Doesn't anyone else think James Cameron is a wanker? Forget the movies people always praise him about. Obviously, I'll never forgive him for "Titanic" (which would've been a cool 30-minute movie if they'd cut every scene with Leo except the one where he's painting hot chick nude), but "The Abyss" was about as fulfilling as a handjob from a quadriplegic. It just went on and on, one unnecessary scene after another. The dude's not a genius. He just got lucky once or twice. So did George Lucas.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 7:26 p.m. CST

    To Timmer33

    by Mafu

    I'd like to pose a question to timmer33 in relation to his/her comments regarding "Hyperion" the book: what fucking drugs are you on, buddy? I realize people have different opinions about sci-fi books, and you're entitled to yours, but your comment, "This book is yawn-inducing and doesn't answer any questions," makes me think you're either unswervingly pedantic, very young, or just dense. Give it a rest. The book is a modern classic, and it doesn't deserve your banal, I'm-smarter-than-thou rantings. Your comments lead me to think you're probably younger than age 16, which is fine, but don't pretend to know what constitutes good sci-fi writing. I hope these Hyperion movies get made.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 7:37 p.m. CST

    To Lazarus Long

    by Mafu

    Your comment: "I've had this series on my "to read" list for a while, and I'm sure it's great, but any sci-fi story where these all these alien sounding names and cheesy planet/city names...the public just ain't going to see it." If you haven't read the books, don't make a fucking dumbass comment like this. Yeah, no one would go see a movie with alien names like...oh, I don't know...Tatooine, Chewbacca, Neo, Morpheus, etc. If they make a good movie(s), people will come see them. It won't have anything to do with the names of planets or characters. Read the books before you make any more comments on this subject. Please.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 9 p.m. CST

    Why the hell...

    by allykatD

    is DiCaprio consistantly cast in leading male hero role?s The guy was great in Catch Me If You Can (he was required to look anywhere from 18 to 30ish), but in Gangs of New York he was entirely miscast. He didn't look like he could fight his way out of a wet paper sack. He looks too young and uh... well... girly! STOP CASTING DICAPRIO IN ROLES THAT REQUIRE MANLY LOOKING MEN! He's very soft and mushy looking.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 10:16 p.m. CST

    The novels wouldn't work as a film series? Hey, it didn't stop L

    by TheGinger Twit

    Those films were made with the idea to go 'by the book' ... this is not how Novels should be adapted. Novels and screenplays are two VERY different things!

  • Aug. 7, 2003, 9:44 a.m. CST

    more on Hyperion's challenge

    by Lazarus Long

    To the people above who took issue with my "funny-sounding names" remark, I wasn't trying to by a smart ass. While I haven't read Hyperion I have friends who recommended it and have read synopses. I still feel it's a bit complicated and dense for the average reader. Sure it will be dumbed down for the film, but the thing you're forgetting about Star Wars is that despite some strange names (which Lucas made sure were catchy and easy to pronounce--another difference from the Hyperion ones), at heart it's very simple hero mythology stuff. That's WHY it succeeded with such universal appeal. You could find similarities with Lord of the Rings but that's irrelevant. Those books have been famous for what, half a century? A little easier to sell, I think. Hyperion is surely an awesome story to tell, but I feel it will run into the same problems as Dune, which is quite convoluted for the average person; which is what a film endeavor this big will have to aim for.

  • Aug. 7, 2003, 5:15 p.m. CST

    IS DECRAPIO BLOWING SCORSESE?

    by chien_sale

    It made sens in the 70s because Deniro was actually a great young actor!!! But Leo is a just a fucking fad, a teen idol! What the fuck happened to Martin that he had the sell his soul like that?

  • Aug. 7, 2003, 7:30 p.m. CST

    more on Hyperion's challenge

    by kschalhoub

    Actually, I think the concept is sound. Although the books tend to be overly complicated there is a relatively simple central plot in the series. And, I would not write of Scorsese - he did make "The Last Temptation of Christ" - the most surreal yet realistic period movie I have seen.

  • Aug. 7, 2003, 9:28 p.m. CST

    "there is a relatively simple central plot in the series"

    by Lorrimer

    Care to elaborate on that, kschalhoub? Can you actually articulate the central plot in one sentence?

  • Aug. 8, 2003, 10:16 a.m. CST

    "there is a relatively simple central plot in the series"

    by kschalhoub

    Cyber evolution of viruses to create a competing intelligence to humans that is ultimately challenged by a messiah through time.

  • Aug. 8, 2003, 6 p.m. CST

    Some replies + more suggestions

    by Thing-Fish

    Some replies. Starting with a reply to those would thought that Leonardo DiCaprio would not be good for this film (these films) because he isn't "manly" enough. a. if I guessed right, he's going to play the John Keats character, a "clone" of the 19th century poet. He's not supposed to be very manly according to the story. Why are you into "manly men" anyway? ______ James Woods as the consul: great idea. F. Murray Abraham, a brilliant actor, as Sol Weintraub, equally great idea. _______ Tommy Lee Jones as Kassad, sorry to say, but that's a terrible idea. Kassad is supposed to be a Palestinian, so they shoul get an actor who looks Middle-Eastern. ________ Another idea: Brian Blessed for the Bishop of the Shrike Church.

  • Aug. 9, 2003, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Hyperion/Endymion

    by zandusku

    i have to admit my eyes watered up when i read about this the other day. this series is easily one of my favorites, if not my favorite! i can't quite picture DiCaprio as Raul, but i suppose he'll be all right. i hope they go through with this and make a movie...or two...or three. i'm not sure i like the idea of Raul Endymion and Aenea making the pilgrimage instead of Martin Silenus, Brawne Lamia, Fedmahn Kassad, etc. Endymion was the 1st book i ever read in the series, so i guess i have a special attachment to it...it's my favorite in the series. i'd like to see the journey Raul and Aenea make to Old Earth and beyond as depicted in the final 2 books. back when i first read Endymion, around 1996 or so (i was 13), i pictured Kirsten Dunst and Rob Lowe as the 2 main characters, oddly enough. obviously both are too old nowadays (well, maybe not). like i said, i just hope they go thru with this movie...and i'm glad to hear i'm not alone in regards to being a fan of this series.

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