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Father Geek has a talk with BATMAN: DEAD END Director Sandy Collora...

Published at: July 23, 2003, 3:40 p.m. CST

Father Geek here I had the chance to talk a bit with the Director of BATMAN: DEAD END, Sandy Collora, on the phone and on the record the other day. I had to keep it short because my typing skills aren't the best... Oh, by the way the wonderful Joker of this film was played by Andrew Koenig. He played Boner on Growing Pains and is Walter 'Chekhov' Koenig's son.

Now on to Sandy Collora and my questions...

Father Geek: There¹s been a lot of talk about the presence Of the ALIEN and the PREDATOR in this film, and Hardcore Batman purists are saying it kind of ruins the film for them. What your opinion...

A: Yeah, I¹ve seen some of the talkbacks and so forth, I can understand that point. However, I made this film as a showcase or calling card for my filmmaking abilities. I¹m a big fan of the Batman/ Predator books, as well as the Batman/Aliens titles, which for some reason, certain fans are writing off, choosing not to recognize the history between these characters. What I can say honestly is this, The crowd at the Comic Con, in BOTH showings of the film, went completely NUTS when the creatures showed up, and there was nothing but positive response. At the masquerade, people were literally standing on their chairs, cheering when the Alien rises behind Batman. That being said, I can respect people¹s opinions on the crossover, when you make a film, or do anything creative for that matter which is put in the public eye intentionally or unintentionally, you have to take the negative feedback as well as the good, and be able to handle all of it with grace and humility.

Father Geek: Your approach to the Batman costume is getting huge response as well. Industry people like Alex Ross and Kevin Smith are calling it the best Batman ever put on film...

A: Well, I don¹t know if it¹s the best, and frankly, I doesn¹t really matter. It¹s the best Batman I could do at this time in the evolution of my creative development. It¹s not better or worse than any Batman that¹s been done thus far, it¹s just different, that¹s all. My take on the Dark Knight.

Father Geek: Do you think this can be classified as a ³fan film²...

A: Absolutely, I¹m a fan, and I made a film. The fact that I¹m an artist and director working in the industry, or that I shot it on 35mm and not a camcorder, should have no bearing on the classification of this film. There are no prerequisites for making a fan film You don¹t have to be a certain age, a certain race, color, or creed. Go make films and express yourselves. Have fun, learn, grow, and be creative. That¹s what I did.

Father Geek: Have you heard anything from DC or Warners...

A: Having some history with DC, I was approached at the Con by several people who work there in a creative capacity who shall remain nameless, that told me it was absolutely amazing, and the best thing to ever happen to Batman. Alex Ross has said publicly it was the best representation of Batman on film, and even plugged the film at his big Panel at the Con. He¹s their biggest, most popular artistS I think that says somethingS Something, unfortunately DC will most likely ignore. The legal department, I¹m sure will be sending me something soon though, asking to cease and desist. Cease and desist WHAT I don¹t know, I¹m not selling the film, or even showing it for that matter. If people want to see it, it¹s all over the net and I have nothing to do with that. I can¹t help the fact that everyone on the planet wants to see itS We live in a world of technical superiority, if something exists, and people want it, they¹ll get it, especially if it¹s media related. The bottom line is I¹ve seen fan films that were FAR more degrading and disrespectful to Trade Marked or proprietary characters, and nothing is done about thatS Look at Lucasfilm, they¹ve embraced the whole fan film thing, and have fun with it. Maybe other companies should follow their example.

Father Geek: I've got alot of E-mails wanting to know what the film cost and how long did it take for you to shoot it...

A: The budget was a little over 30 thousand dollars, and the film was shot in 4 days by cinematographer Vince Toto. We had a very small lighting package, minimal equipment, and a very small crew. Quite frankly, all these reports you got about ³A huge crew² were falseS Yeah, there were a ton of people there, but 75% of them were lookielus, trying to take pictures and see what was going on. Our security guard, none other than lovely, uber-producer Daren Hicks herself, kept them all at bay, while Simon (uber-producer #2) kept it raining all night, and gave new meaning to the word hustle. It was a very hard shoot, but the dedication and commitment of everyone involved made it very special. I couldn¹t be more proud of my cast and crew.

Father Geek: The film is also being hailed by many as the best Batman film ever made. Annnnnnd some of the fans are saying that the film itself doesn¹t live up to the hype. What's your position on this...

A: To be blatantly honest, I don¹t think any film can live up to THAT MUCH hype. People were clamoring so much to see this film, and they had heard so many great things about it, reading about it here, and everywhere else, the sheer amount of press and attention that this film has been getting is truly unfathomable, and quite unexpected.

I think the fact that most people are seeing it on a little computer screen and not projected, might have something to do with it. Seeing it in a theatre with a big crowd kind of gets you more into the film. Or maybe people were expecting it to be longer, who knows. On a genre picture like this, especially a Batman thing, you¹ll always have the naysayers and people who will nitpick it to deathS Hell, I saw Tarantino this weekend at the Con, and he said he¹d never make a film based on a known comic book character because there¹s no way to ever please the fanbase. It¹s true, but it reminds me of an interview I once saw with the great Bill Cosby, who when asked what the key to success in Hollywood was, replied: ² I don¹t know, but the key to failure is trying to please everybodyS² I¹m proud of the film, but I¹m over it, it¹s time to move on to the next project, which will hopefully have a real budget, a longer shooting schedule, and more than 4 lightsS

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  • July 23, 2003, 3:45 p.m. CST

    "The best Batman I could do at this time in the evolution of my

    by FrankCobretti

    What a ponce.

  • July 23, 2003, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Fair enough.

    by rev_skarekroe

    But what if he'd put that $30,000 toward something ORIGINAL to showcase his talents? sk

  • July 23, 2003, 4:02 p.m. CST

    BONER!

    by The Data

    he chose his future before his future chose him,... remember?

  • July 23, 2003, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Poo

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Fine, fine, best you could do, etc etc. I take that only because he knows that he doesn't deserve all this hype. I'm disturbed people are calling it the best costume ever, I only thought the Cowl and cape were worth anything. I mean, I guess the simplicity of it is charming in a "Year 1" sort of thing (Bruce Wayne just starting out, etc etc). And best film ever? That's complete balderdash. Is it a great concept? Sure. Definately not better than Burton's (ESPECIALLY not better than Nicholson), and definately not better than the Animated Series stuff.

  • July 23, 2003, 4:12 p.m. CST

    CANNOT WAIT to see this thing!

    by Bregalad_

    Where can I find it.... C'mon kids.... Who's got it on Kazaa?

  • July 23, 2003, 4:13 p.m. CST

    You freakin costume people....

    by Boris the Blade

    I really don't get it. First you get the leathered-up nipple Batman costume and you balk at that, then you get this realistic version, and you piss all over this one too. F it all, Tarantino's right.

  • July 23, 2003, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Nicholson's Joker

    by Nitecrawler

    Sorry to say, kids, but Jack's Joker was pretty poor. Old, tubby, not very menacing. Eh. Jack's great, and I love his work, and he has perfected a certain brand of Crazy

  • July 23, 2003, 4:27 p.m. CST

    the cape !its all about the cape!

    by rollin2001uk

    at the beginning when the cape spread out on the floor and he rises and it obviously follows suit is excellent.rock on!

  • July 23, 2003, 4:27 p.m. CST

    I was negative at first but I'm not gonna bash the guy

    by IndustryKiller

    I'm not a big fan of the film but I digress. I suppose with a tight ass budget like that he did the best he could and God knows he probably has alot more potential than alot of the directors working today (McG I'm looking at you). Hell maybe he'll even turn out to be a directorial genius that we will all bow to one day and I hope he gets a chance to shine. What I will criticize though is his choice to add the Aliens and Predator. Whether fanboys like it or not I think it robs the film of credibility and makes it cheesy. With the time and money spent adding those characters I bet he could have made a much better BATMAN story instead. Also if you make a sequel get someone else to play Batman. Oh well to each his own.

  • July 23, 2003, 4:29 p.m. CST

    I thought it was terrific

    by Mark

    Bravo, Sandy. I saw your film and was very impressed. Don't let the children get you down.

  • July 23, 2003, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Call me... we'll do lunch

    by TheJake

    I think the director accomplished exactly what they set out to do... to make an audio/video business card. I thought the combo of Batman, Aliens and Predators was a little weird but it was done well. I say bravo to the cast and crew. I'm anxious to see what they come up with next.

  • July 23, 2003, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Fun, but not the BEST BATMAN EVER FILMED.

    by Sci_Fi_Wasabe

    This was pretty cool and taken in the context of a $30,000 audition tape, pretty spectacular. It wasn't the second coming and it wasn't the coolest thing I've ever seen, but I definitely had a smile on my face while watching it. After that much bank, I hope the guy gets some success from it. The best Batman ever filmed hasn't been filmed yet (excluding the Dini/Timm animated stuff). I loved the two Burton films, but they weren't the definitive Batman either. Same for the 40's serials, 60's camp, Schumacher's "Gay Ice-capades" era, the Onstar commercials, Birds of Prey,etc, etc. I don't think you can ever really film Batman like in the comics because it'll look silly. The suit from Dead End, looked just like Alex Ross' images, but didn't look right. For any future movies, they'll probably go in a Spider-Man direction with silk-screened definition on spandex (smart move). But I'm not going to bitch too much about 8 minutes of neat images. The guy has some balls spend that kind of money (surely not all his own) to get noticed. Tax write off maybe???

  • July 23, 2003, 4:34 p.m. CST

    The costume SUCKS!!!

    by Dart Voldemort

    Sorry folks, but the costume in BATMAN: DEAD END sucks big time! I mean, there weren't even nipples on the shirt!

  • July 23, 2003, 4:35 p.m. CST

    The Alien costume is taken from a fucking Cosplay con

    by Anowan

    Thirty thousand Dollars ????????? Batman always has and always will look lame on screen.

  • July 23, 2003, 4:35 p.m. CST

    go to www.theforce.net people and see it in quicktime.its excell

    by rollin2001uk

    well done i thought burtons was done well, but give this man the directors chair and a fucking killer budget and we got an excellent batman filmPS.no alien or predator next time though cheers.

  • July 23, 2003, 4:38 p.m. CST

    you can download the movie here.. arnt i nice!

    by chunkus

    but be warned.... the predator and alien bit spoil it in my opinion, they just wernt needed.. good batman though!! cheers, Chunk from the UK!! http://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/batman_deadend/

  • July 23, 2003, 4:43 p.m. CST

    sober second thought

    by mtoast

    Like a lot of people, I was psyched to see the film, liked the beginning, LOVED the action in the alley, ADORED the cape shot, and then rolled my eyes when the Alien showed up. BUT overall, I think Mr. Collora deserves more respect and credit than he's been getting in the TBs. I'm guilty of it too. But I've come to understand that he didn't make this for ME or YOU. He made it to showcase his skills. A large part of his skills are in creature-building, so there are creatures. Yes, he could have used, say, Killer Croc and remained truer to the "pure" Batman mythos. But what Hollywood suit would have recognized Killer Croc? Eight fanboys would have been delighted, but it wouldn't have been Sandy's best career move. He made it for his own reasons. We just happened to get to see it. So stop the bashing. I have.

  • July 23, 2003, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Sorry to be the guy, but: Who fucking cares?

    by WeedyMcSmokey

  • July 23, 2003, 4:55 p.m. CST

    The best thing is that

    by SquashoTheClown

  • July 23, 2003, 4:56 p.m. CST

    The best thing is that the Joker is "Boner"

    by SquashoTheClown

    (Damn forms messed me up) Yep, Growing Pains own "Boner" plays the Joker. Gotta love IMDB.

  • July 23, 2003, 4:59 p.m. CST

    The best thing is that....

    by SquashoTheClown

    I don't read the other talkbacks. I guess the boner thing was talked to death. Oh well.

  • July 23, 2003, 5:09 p.m. CST

    What's this about "Boner" from Growing Pains being the Joker?

    by TheAFLACDuck

    if you guys are referring to "Andrew Koenig" (Son of Chekov himself, Walter Koenig) who played "Richard 'Boner' Stabone" - there's NOTHING at IMDB about him being The Joker in that Batman movie. Why don'tcha read the credits in the actual movie ... it's right there in Black & White who played the Joker - check it out.

  • July 23, 2003, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I mean really -

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    we need to start recognizing when fandom turns to total obsession. It's a short. Great. I like shorts - but just becuase it features Batman means that it gets gushed over? Ah. Fine, whatever - I just never got the comic book obession thing, I guess. I have to admit, some of it is inspired and artistic - but most of it is patently absurd.

  • July 23, 2003, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Uh...this thing was a joke, right?

    by MyNameDoesn'tFit

    Aliens and Predators?! WTF?! Best Batman ever, Harry? You have to be kidding me. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BATMAN! Nice direction, but the story/script is the most ludicrous thing I've ever seen. I couldn't believe my eyes. What was the point of even having it involve Batman? Why not just have some space marine walking down an alley? Sorry, but give us a break--unbelievable.

  • July 23, 2003, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Oh, fine let's just make a crossover with Superman and Allie McB

    by pencil-man

    Oh, OK. Now that every good idea has been exhausted, let's just crossover everything, and kill everyone like Kingdom Come then. What a lame idea to "showcase" your directing talents by grandstanding with a lame ass crossover anyway. i know movies are fake, but where's the artistic integrity? Just make Batman Batman, not some goofball who'd get eaten in a second by the Alien. You retards.

  • July 23, 2003, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Stupider than Face-Off

    by pencil-man

    This could've been the best Pepsi commercial ever. Nuff' said.

  • July 23, 2003, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Predator 3 - Batman vs. Predator

    by pencil-man

    If the President can justify murdering someone's children without a trial, then why not this? The "fans" who "loved" this fan film prove they merely liked the franchise characters, not filmmaking.

  • July 23, 2003, 5:38 p.m. CST

    "Fanboys wet dream"so Fucking what!.

    by Dr

    Why the fuck and who the fuck in their right mind would not want to see Batman fighting a Predator and an alien.You dicks who are slagging this off saying its a fanboys dream are missing the point.Thats exactly what it is, and he has done a sterling job.And yes it IS the best batman film to grace our screens.Now he can go and make a decent Daredevil film.

  • July 23, 2003, 5:39 p.m. CST

    About "Batman: Dead End"...

    by mbaker

    I could tell that the makers of this film were fans of the animated series. Right down to the preformances. Kevin Conroy, and Mark Hamil would be proud. Despide the Ailen, and Predator fights, this was some damn good stuff. It was way better than all four movies combined. Seriously.

  • July 23, 2003, 5:44 p.m. CST

    pretty cool fan flick....

    by BRTick

    cost waaaay more then I would've thought however...

  • July 23, 2003, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Corolla owes me money...

    by King Rhythm

    ...for those crappy DC Direct Green Arrow and Speedy figures he sculpted. Jesus, I've not seen the Batfilm, but I hope he's a better director than a sculptor.;) Unless he was told to do 'em like that, which fucking sucks.

  • ...you guys fucking suck. This guy is obviously an artist trying to create. Give him a bit of god damn credit. Worhal made a career from painting soup cans. You dicks would probably bitch about him not creating his own original soup to make pictures of. Don't you clowns have some organic web shooters or CGI effects to complain about? Seriously someone gave you a short film with cool action and atmosphere and is asking for absolutely nothing it return. You don't have to pay for it or anything. So what's with all the fucking crying?

  • July 23, 2003, 6:10 p.m. CST

    What A Surprise

    by GeekMaster

    Geeks Bitch "Nobody Can Do Batman" -- Somebody Does Batman Cool -- Geeks Bitch "Hey, Who Does That Guy Who Did Batman Think He Is?!" Dana is reminded again why Geeks are such fucking losers.

  • July 23, 2003, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Personally I liked it.

    by Sod Off Baldric

    I thought it was cool, and I dug the Aliens/Predator stuff, but I loved the Batman/Predator and Batman/Aliens comics, so I'm kind of biased. The costume was fine, especially in the shot where the cape is spread out on the ground. This is the closest thing to a live action adaption of the Batman vs. Predator/Aliens comics that we're likely to ever get, so I for one ain't complaining. Good one, Mr. Collora, and I hope to see more from you in the future.

  • July 23, 2003, 6:31 p.m. CST

    The Bat costume rocks & the Joker is STRAIGHT outta the Killing

    by Johnny FilmMaker

    this WAS the best representation of Batman thus far.... i didnt think i would like the fabric costume at first but the more i looked at it the more i friggin love it!!! I can only hope the next actual studio Batflick will pick up on this darker batman and use it!! I really hope the studios will l\start listening to the fans!! And is it just me, or do most talkbackers just seem to basicaly exsist to try and say everything sucks.....everything must suck to you when you sit in your basement and have never seen a naked girl outside of a computer screen. Take care!

  • July 23, 2003, 6:34 p.m. CST

    noyyyyyce.

    by bc1970

    Loved it. Loved it. Loved the look. Loved the sounds. Loved it.

  • July 23, 2003, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Aliens and Predators kind of ruin the experience

    by Human Tornado

    Killer Kroc, on the other hand, would have been sweet. And what about those nipples in the batsuit? Dialogue was crap, but photography and characterization were note-perfect. I

  • July 23, 2003, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Funny thing...

    by AFKnightus

    People are reaming the filmmaker of this on his inability to create original works, and no one calls them "idiots", or "assholes" (UNLIKE, I may say, the kid remake of Raiders of the Lost Ark). True, Collora could have written and directed his own work (in fact he has, a short called Archangel); but would it have recieved such a conflagration of attention? Absolutely not. He's a smart guy, almost everyone who matters will know his name now, whether his work is based on an original story or not.

  • July 23, 2003, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Apparently Predators and Aliens have appeared in the comic itsel

    by FluffyUnbound

    I had never known that, but apparently it's true. That would seem to indicate that criticizing the film for their inclusion [saying it's "stupid" or "not really Batman"] just means you haven't kept up to date on the character. It's like if I, who stopped reading Spiderman about fifteen years ago, saw a short with that 'Venom' character in it and started bitching that it was stupid because the costume was the wrong color.

  • July 23, 2003, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Superman & Batman casting...READ!

    by stlfilmwire

    Jim Caviezel would be the perfect Superman. Here's a photo of Jim from this year at Indy. This pic gives a hint of his ability to be the awkward Clark Kent, yet the chiseled features of that dude from Krypton. Jim is 6ft 2... which is exactly BATMAN's height... but give him an inch and he'd be Superman's height. Yes, the man from Krypton is 6 ft 3. Here's the pic: http://www.angelfire.com/celeb2/j_caviezel_2/photos-indy/images/IMG_8073.jpg

  • July 23, 2003, 7:01 p.m. CST

    yeah...

    by milesmonroe

    i thought it was poorly written and acted, but definitely well shot. certainly not the best batman ever filmed, but better than schumacher's, certainly. and an eight minute short being superior to a multi million dollar full length feature, is quite an achievement, i think. so good on you, boss. i didn't thing the alien/predator thing was nessecary... but i got it. my brother and i were totally into those books. dark horse, weren't they??

  • July 23, 2003, 7:11 p.m. CST

    This was cool for one reason...

    by UberSpectre

    I saw Dead end befroe reading any talk backs and why I liked it is because I laughed so hard... The cape thing was kool but once the alien came I started laughing, also Joker looked like he was on speed and that made me laugh too... I enjoyed myself watching it I don't think its as cool as the first Batman movie with Jack as Joker... The director is probably a cool guy so I think everyone should lay off... But the people saying he is brilliant should stay silent because I mean, give me a lot of money and I'll give you guys a Batman film... He won't only fight Aliens and Predator but Vampires and the Terminator too!!!

  • July 23, 2003, 7:34 p.m. CST

    what this Sandy person got right ...

    by caipirina

    still not sure if it a he or she ... anyways .. this person had the right idea at the right time, when everyone was yearning for some new batman, and he/she also got the marketing strategy right .. which is very important ... i bet now many crossover fan films will follow .. like let's say a superman/catwoman porn .. or Terminator vs. Nutty Professor ... point is that Sandy did it first (successfully) ... i bet there have been thinsg like that before .. but the fact that I have not heard about it means, it was not promoted in the right ways .. and hey, what is up with putting up picture links of sorry ass dudes who wanna be supes ??? I could only watch the first 4 minutes of the flick .. but i liked the quality of it ... i sure liked that Joker ... though that scene of his eye just before he is ripped up was a bit much .. The scene of bats getting up and the cape 'retracts' looks great .. but fake after the 3rd viewing ... I can imagine to see that on big screen .. but heck no will I buy a 2 DVD set ... why is it a 2 DVD set ? cause it is burnt at home on 4.7 GB disks ?? :)

  • July 23, 2003, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Whiny Bitches

    by luckylindy

    Look you f'n batman purists, this guy didn't do this thing to entertain you or satisfy your need to see a good batman film, he did it cuz he wanted to do it. Christ, you people keep whining about it, well then, YOU do something instead of sitting there bitching about a it. If you think you can pull it off better, well then i would love to see it. Until then, SHUT THE F*CK UP! Geez, you people annoy me.

  • July 23, 2003, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Why is there any hype for this?!!!

    by Gary Yogurt

    Especially from people who've seen it? This is stupid. This is retarded Aliens/Predator/Batman fan fiction from a AOL homepage with bad links and an annoying looped MIDI. You can't add "fancy" lighting and expect something. Man, what a letdown.

  • July 23, 2003, 7:46 p.m. CST

    A thank you to Sandy Collora

    by shadoman

    Thank you for producing a short film that has got the geeks/freeks/nerds/fanboys/fangirls/fans/moviegoers/comicfreaks/whiners/whingers/kids/dads/moms/punks/wankers all making an almighty noise. Thank you for being a fan and going out and making a film about the characters you love. Thank you for showing the couch potatoes and armchair critics that it can be done and you don't need a million or two. Just the cojones. Thank you for injecting the much needed adrenalin into not 1, not 2 but 3 franchises. I do believe that after this frenzy has cooled, suits will take their seats to 'fast track' (is that the correct industry term??)the stalled scripts based on these characters. Thank you for consigning Schumachers 'bastard' creation to the dustbin. Thank you for your vision and thank you for making this 'fanboy' remember a childhood dream and actually realise that it can be a reality (the 'English' John Constantine movie,coming up!!). All I've got to contend with are the half dozen socially inept, self-abusing Troglodytes who inhabit these Talkback sessions both day and night. Thank you

  • July 23, 2003, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Dead End

    by Dark Knight Lite

    You can nitpick this short all you want, but the fact of the matter is that nothing at Comic Con this year generated the buzz that "Dead End" did. Batman has a four-color history with Aliens and Predator, and I think using them is just as valid as any other nemisis he's battled in his 64 year history. There must be suspension of belief to buy into "realistic" depictions of superheroes onscreen. If you cannot accept the conventions of the genre, you really will never embrace this type of entertainment. As far as the costumes go, this was true to the characters' illustrated roots, and a laudible effort. The critics have to realize the subjectivity of this debate, and the fact that there is no overriding "correct" answer.Laugh all you want, but this gentelman made a film that has everyone talking. Perhaps that's why some of you insist on tearing it down....

  • July 23, 2003, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Sandy if you're reading these......

    by MonroeArt

    some of us get it. not all of us are 14 year olds who rant right out of the gate. someone said you'd made a $30,000 business card. i couldn't agree more. i KNOW why you added the alien and the preds. i can understand why some people think it was just a commercial gimmick. however, it wasn't lost on me that it presented an opportunity to highlight various angles/special effects. it allowed the sculptors to show what they are capable of...same with the lighting crew....etc...etc... all in all it was very cool. i for one would've thought it'd cost more than $30,000. bear in mind fanboys who read this that it costs money to have something like this storyboarded and it costs money to rent the various rigs. it costs money to get permits to film on locations....those are just a few of the legion of permutations that will attack the wallet of those bankrolling this. hopefully this will get those involved some work. i'd fork over some of my consumer dollars to see Sandy tackle batman(you listening WB?). Sandy, praise from alex ross is a big compliment. he's a bigger purist than any of these fanboys who think tim burton's or *cringe* schumacher's batman was cool. maybe this will be the catalyst for the alien vs predator movie. i for one like the batman costume Sandy went with. that's just how this 28 year old sees batman,the same way alex ross saw him,stripped of all the unnessasary crap like robin or the batmobile. ross's batman-war on crime nailed bats. (gotta give credit to dini as well). sadly,WB will probably continue it's legacy of batman stupidity by hiring someone like ashton kutcher or some other "hot" property person to tackle a movie they see only as a film to put them on the cinematic map. i suggest WB go with an unknown actor. no one knew who the hell christopher reeve was before superman. and guess what? there will never ever be a better superman. george clooney could've been good had he had a good script and a director who wasn't looking for man meat. (i draw comics professionally and have heard from DC comics powers that be that val kilmer didn't make another batfilm because schumacher was hitting on him)... starting to digress all over the place here. anyways-good job to all involved with batman dead end. i wish them the best in all they do. i'm sure we'll be seeing more of them in the days to come.

  • July 23, 2003, 8:08 p.m. CST

    WB: HIRE THIS MAN NOW, DAMN YOU!

    by KCMOSHer

    Finally saw this last night. Holy shit on a stick, that was fucking SWEET. Okay, yeah, do I wish it would have been something besides Batman Vs. Aliens Vs. Predator? Sure. The first 30 seconds or so when it was just Bats and the Joker...that's enough for me. You could stop it right there and fuck, I am -sold-. He got the feel and the mood perfect, the casting was right, it was finally the real Batman, not the rubber-suited Hollywood bitch we've been forced to watch. If Warner Bros has a SINGLE braincell amongst the whole God-forsaken company, they'll bring this guy on and set him up with a Frank Miller or someone of equal Batman caliber and give them tons of money and free reign.

  • July 23, 2003, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Man o man

    by Rubio

    What really gets me about this is the holier-than-everyone reaction from the

  • Excellent spot job to the talkbacker who spotted the true identity of the Joker in the last article. Still trying to find this movie, damn it's limited availability.

  • July 23, 2003, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Let me clarify my position(for my own satisfaction)

    by 007-11

    In my opinion, "Mask of the Phantasm" is the best Batman film. This film featured the best LOOKING live-action Batman COSTUME.

  • July 23, 2003, 8:29 p.m. CST

    i'm hosting it on Kazaa now. 8:27pm east coast usa time!

    by MonroeArt

    get it now if you can dunno how long i'll be online.

  • July 23, 2003, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Dead End is killer!

    by Yuppyslayer

    I know a lot of people say "ooh, the aliens and predator bits spoil the film", but they're what make the film great. Please dont say I'm the only person who enjoyed the comic books and therefore the only person who could like them appearing on film. What would have been better? Batman vs Superman? C'mon admit it, Dead End kicked your asses, the only crap thing is that its only 6 minutes. BTW, recently on UK teletext, James Cameron said that he had been contemplating making another Alien movie similar to Aliens, but wouldn't do it if an Aliens vs Predator movie ever got made. I hoping he doesn't see Dead End

  • July 23, 2003, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Lets not get too enthusiastic

    by scythe1138

    The short film had its moments, but I hardly think its worthy of the praise its received by fanboys so far. The short was totally devoid of plot and the little acting that it had failed to astonish. Calling this the best Batman film ever put to celluloid is ridiculous. Were Lucas to put out a short consisting of the duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin, would that be called the best Star Wars ever? Any idiot can toss in a bunch of kick-ass characters have them fight and receive the adoration of fanboys. Maybe I'll make a short consisting of a 6 minute fight between Boba Fett and Wolverine and become God of Fanboys.

  • July 23, 2003, 8:51 p.m. CST

    IN YOUR FACE, BASHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by zillabeast

    Hahahahaha he just pretty much told all your ungrateful sons of bitches who didnt like this movie to suck his dick!!!!! Props to you Mr. Collora!!! I just hope you get a $150 million dollar budget for the next time you do Batman vs. Predator!!

  • July 23, 2003, 8:58 p.m. CST

    whats with all the anger?

    by godaikin

    I can't believe the rage and negativity some people have towards this film. I'm not a fan of mixing genres but I thought it was well done. Ripping on the guy for not using original material is a ridiculous complaint. Obviously his chances of exposure with a known character are exponentially greater than with an original creation, and that was the goal. What have any of you naysayers ever done that even comes close?

  • July 23, 2003, 9 p.m. CST

    Finally saw the movie

    by 007-11

    First off, I retract any statements about not liking the Joker's look. It looks great in motion. The actors voice threw me though. I wasn't expecting Mark Hamill's to somehow magically come through, but I have to say Jack Nicholson did a much better laugh. Secondly, some of the shots were spectacular, great tone. Overall i'd say this was very well done. I don't hate the prescence of aliens and predators, but i'd rather have had more focus on Batman.

  • July 23, 2003, 9:05 p.m. CST

    01010101010101, shut the hell up

    by 007-11

    Someone might actually take that seriously.

  • July 23, 2003, 9:07 p.m. CST

    01010101010101 the Binary Bastard!

    by TheAFLACDuck

    Yeah,yeah,yeah ... no need to get mouthy now. I didn't re-check the actor who played The Joker in the credits until after I sent the message ... and yeah, it is indeed "Boner" from Growing Pains. Go Figure! So people were using IMDB to confirm his name and who he was not to confirm "Batman: Dead End" was under his listing somehow - my bad. But "I'm" the dumbfuck when you posted this bullshit story about Harry being arrested for indecent exposure? Hello, Kettle! You're Black! AFLAC!!!

  • July 23, 2003, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Very cool

    by allykatD

    I liked it. Nice and dark, and I think that Clark guy playing Batman should play the character in the movie. And Joker was fabulous, much better than Jack Nicolson. I just wished there was more of the Joker and more byplay with Batman. Funny that the people poo-pooing it probably have no idea what it's like to get something like this together. It's easy to sit back and criticize, it's hard to get your ass in gear and do something.

  • July 23, 2003, 9:29 p.m. CST

    that was friggin sweet, watch it at theforce.net, oh and DC and

    by juxtapoze

  • July 23, 2003, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Easy to criticize from your living room

    by MICKFINN

    It becomes harder each day to be a member of the fanboy nation. Guy creates a demo reel to sell himself, decides to do something to have a little fun in the process... and all you can do is piss and moan. I just saw this yesterday and I was blown away. Batman and The Joker looked like they stepped right out of an Alex Ross painting. The fight with the Predator was really well-done, and Collora got something out of Batman that NONE of the films did... intensity. With every threat he faces in this thing, he just seems to be saying " alright, your turn." The spit-takes were also a nice little touch - this Batman is built for busting heads. Tell you what, Negativity Brigade, the minute anyone of you fat-ass armchair critics get up off your La-Z-Boy recliners and actually do something that has this much passion, ingenuity and fun, feel free to be as cynical as you like. Until then , shut yer pieholes. Used to be this kind of stuff was fun, and you Comic Book Guy clones are sucking it dry. Only "ponces" i see on this website are the ones iwth nothing but bile on the brain.

  • July 23, 2003, 9:48 p.m. CST

    MyNameDoesn'tFit jackass...

    by Orange Brat

    Batman has a history with both Aliens and Predators, so stick your ignorance influenced opinion in your pinhead. If you had bothered to read the damn interview you would have not have made a stupid comment like that.

  • July 23, 2003, 10 p.m. CST

    BIG predator fan here

    by Grifth

    ok first off lets get some points cleared this movie is for free so if some of you have some negative opinions towards the movie please tell it in a civilized and good taste post dont go. haaaa what a piece of shit movie thats just bashing and quite frankly is just plain sad i mean the man made a movie that all of you so called comic fans should apreciate but nooo u want to see a realistic batman i mean comon ppl its a comic caracter, a man that runs around dressed up as a bat ...not a thing that u see that often in real life ,yes i did find the custome cool, very simple but yet had its good points and bad (one migth be the cowl as the comic version is atached to the cape)but what got me really was the alien and predator im very BIG predator fan and the chance to see him again so well portaitred was just awsome i mean to all those batman purists it must'n been bad to see such caracters mixed but i really liked it, i mean comon whats the chance u will see these guys again in a movie beating the crap out of each other NEVER! so in final yes u can bash it all u want if it will make u feel better or try and see it for what it is a movie made for COMIC FANS

  • July 23, 2003, 10:08 p.m. CST

    It was ok....not great.

    by 60091

    I admire the attempt, but when the Alien and the Predators showed up I was groaning. It didn't work for me. I would have prefered to have the Riddler, Penguin or even Catwoman make an appearance. The still teaser pictures worked better in creating the Batman-esque atmosphere, then the short did. I'll watch it again a few more times, and see if my mind has changed after I typed this.

  • July 23, 2003, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Good film BUT

    by jeffmgd

    Good film but i don't know about the predator & aliens. It didn't "do it" as much as the joker did. The joker & batman were really cool! But the BEST batman fan film is BATMAN VS. FAKE BATMAN! http://jeffbonomo.tripod.com/batman.rm http://jeffbonomo.tripod.com/stugotzfilms.htm www.jeffbonomo.com

  • July 23, 2003, 10:40 p.m. CST

    At least THIS Batman didn't spend the whole film RUNNING AWAY li

    by Snookeroo

    What is it with Burton and black rubber, anyways? And I thought the casting was dead-on. At least THIS producer wouldn't cast Ashton DUDE WHERE'S MY FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE Kutcher as SuperMAN and Drew FRIGGIN' BARRYMORE as Lois Lane!!! By the way, Jon Peters leaves little croutons in public urinals and comes back later to gather them for a light snack. You know it's true.

  • July 23, 2003, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Loved it loved it loved IT!!

    by Caligari

    Terrific, absolutely terrific, bravo to everyone involved. It definately is the best live action Batman movie/short ever.

  • July 23, 2003, 10:57 p.m. CST

    ...you still wind up with zero.

    by sonofbarbarella

    So, the whole crowd at Comic Con went completely nuts when the creatures showed up, huh? Well, simple arithmetic tells us that no matter how many zeros you add together you still wind up with zero. Or, as I like to say, a roomful of dumbasses do not add up to a genius. That being said, it does look damn cool, though. Maybe Collora could direct the next movie if he could find someone to write it.

  • July 23, 2003, 11 p.m. CST

    Pathetic

    by grimoire7

    THIS WAS FOR FUN PEOPLE! And it rocked. Very few of you have any idea what your talking about. Hell, we weren't even supposed to see it. It's a RESUME tape. Kudos to Colloras. Kudos to whoever leaked it. Kudos for a well made film that has a sense of humor AND a great amount of talent and soul. I'm a fanboy and you nay-sayer fanboyhave got to get a grip. IT WAS FOR FUN!

  • July 23, 2003, 11:21 p.m. CST

    CONGRATULATIONS SANDY CORROLA!!!

    by Spark

    I'm getting tired of reading these stupid talk backs bashing this "promo" movie. You guys!! Instead of sitting in front of your computers JERKING OFF! Why don't YOU try to do a "good" promo movie with a limited budget? Most of these comments are ridiculous. Corrola did an AWESOME promo piece and he acomplished what he planned to...GET NOTICED! So you guys please stop this crazyness and just enjoy the ride. CONGRATULATIONS SANDY CORROLA!!!

  • July 23, 2003, 11:50 p.m. CST

    by Led Gopher

  • July 23, 2003, 11:51 p.m. CST

    My 2 cents

    by Orange Bat

    Look, people, if he decided to put this out there and let everyone and their grandmother see it, then it is open for discussion, positive or negative. I thought it was okay. I've never been a big fan of putting comics on the big screen because the films will never do justice to the long traditions in the stories. This film is okay. There is NO story, even though there is plenty of time for a short one. Many studios looking for directors are looking for story tellers, so I think this is not a good show of filmmaking ability. Now, f/x and style had a lot, so kudos on that. One other thing: I think what makes a fan film cool is when it IS made with a video camera and a $52.46 budget. Hence, the coolness of the "Raiders" fan film. I LOVE to see what people make with nothing but a love of material. Oh, I also think the filmmaker of "Dead End" should lay off the interviews. I think he came out as a bit cocky in this one, hence some of the bad feedback here.

  • July 23, 2003, 11:52 p.m. CST

    But when/where can the rest of us see it?

    by Led Gopher

    I am not going to be at the San Diego Comic Con, so I won't be able to see the film there. I don't even know when the convention is. So when/where/how can I see this damn movie? Someone post something when the answers are available.

  • July 23, 2003, 11:57 p.m. CST

    just watched via Kazaa

    by Rupee88

    Don't believe the hype on this. It is nothing that great. But judge for yourself....it is all over Kaaza.

  • July 24, 2003, midnight CST

    Somebody's walking around with $29,000 in their pocket!

    by Darth Siskel III

    The movie is cool, but $30,000 and 4 days??? I didn't see any eliaborate stunts, and the whole thing takes place in one spot!

  • July 24, 2003, 12:03 a.m. CST

    And another thing

    by Orange Bat

    Please stop defending this movie like someone trampled your religious beliefs. Most of the talkbacks I've read are positive. Only a few negative, and, really, only about 5 were serious. What is annoying is every post saying something like, "I'm so SICK of fanboys..." or "Anybody who didn't like this should suck...". Dudes, if you come to this site, you are a fanboy. This is a fanboy and geek site. If you visit here regularly, you FIT this description. Be proud of your heritage.

  • July 24, 2003, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Spitting Batman = Aces in my book

    by Merkin Muffley

    That was my favorite part. It made the Bat-man seem more like a street brawler. good work, filmmaker guy. Looks like you had fun.

  • July 24, 2003, 12:15 a.m. CST

    The OTHER Comic Con fan-based Bat-flick

    by wolverine18

    Check out the trailer for "The Death of Batman" at www.christopherstapleton.net. Click the "Latest News" link.

  • July 24, 2003, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Batman/Alien/Predator Books

    by negamit

    In case you are interested: BvA: http://www.darkhorse.com/products/pg_profile/sku_47279/sec_search/index.html BvA2: http://www.dccomics.com/comics/dc_display.html?cm_dc_itemCode=bmaliens2&month=August BvP: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1563890925/ref=ase_rambles/002-2361106-1893653?v=glance&s=books BvP2: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1563892219/ref=ase_rambles/002-2361106-1893653?v=glance&s=books

  • July 24, 2003, 12:21 a.m. CST

    What was the budget on this?

    by Jon E Cin

    A few mill?

  • July 24, 2003, 12:21 a.m. CST

    It Is A Start

    by filmguy55

    To what who knows. This short film was no student film. This was well thought out and professional. Everyone is judging this film so negatively. Someone had the balls to try to revive the Batman francise, and we are pissing all over it. This film is creative, and bold. He took a chance,tried to be inventive and creative. I really appreciate this film. Batman is on the right track. Love the costume, the camerawork, the mood of the rain in the alley. The Joker trying to convince Batman they are alike. This film is to try to make Hollywood to wake up. Is it to make a Batman film or to prove to Hollywood a Aliens VS. Predator is possible. I feel the Aliens VS. Predator can be made without alot of dialogue in the hands of a young inventive director who takes chances, I think we found him. Just try to look at this film and find the positives.

  • July 24, 2003, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Batman/Alien/Pred Book (redux)

    by negamit

    Ack! Didn't realize it would show like that. I guess I will try some html. <br><br>BvA: http://www.darkhorse.com/products/pg_profile/sku_47279/sec_search/index.html <br><br>BvA2: http://www.dccomics.com/comics/dc_display.html?cm_dc_itemCode=bmaliens2&month=August <br><br>BvP: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1563890925/ref=ase_rambles/002-2361106-1893653?v=glance&s=books <br><br>BvP2: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1563892219/ref=ase_rambles/002-2361106-1893653?v=glance&s=books

  • July 24, 2003, 12:23 a.m. CST

    darn

    by negamit

    oh well, screw it. being a first time poster, i can hardly believe these forums are as popular as they are with such a terrible comment system. wow.

  • July 24, 2003, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Seriously who cares???

    by UberSpectre

    Ok the short was kool... Not great not bad it was fun to watch.... Everyone stop having heart attacks about this because I am sure no one will remember this 8 minute movie 2 days from now when were all talking about Jolie's beautiful self in Tomb Raider 2... Also I want another one of these 8 min movies where Batman fights Freddy and Micheal and Jason in a battle royal

  • July 24, 2003, 12:33 a.m. CST

    that was totally fucking gay

    by Toe Jam

    sorry, but that was a really lame fan film. did anyone else notice how the predator "vision" looked nothing like that used in the actual movies? the suit was pretty weak too. and the guy playing the joker was laughably bad. if this is going to be used as an industry "business card," i wouldn't hope for much. did people actually cheer for this at the comic con?

  • July 24, 2003, 12:46 a.m. CST

    story/dialogue

    by Rupee88

    I agree that maybe you didn't have time for an elaborate story, but the acting and dialogue were just weak and unimaginative. The Joker just gave the "party line" about how Batman created him. I guess maybe this would be an intriguing concept to someone who has never seen Batman, but to the rest of the world, it is boring. It's been done a thousand times before. The visuals were pretty decent, but Aliens/Predator being in there seemed a bit corny. Batman has always been one of my least favorite characters though, so take that into account. He's always been a big pussy for not killing the Joker, so the Joker can get out and kill another few hundred innocent people. You indirectly killed them, Batman you sick fuck.

  • July 24, 2003, 12:47 a.m. CST

    30,000 is a LOT of freakin money to spend,

    by Rcamacho2278

    I can think of a few things to spend 30,000 on,

  • July 24, 2003, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Jesus fucking Christ... PERIODS ARE NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH "S"e

    by rogerconnery

  • July 24, 2003, 1:28 a.m. CST

    This proves just how hard up comic fans are for any Batfilm that

    by Moriarity Report

    The Schumacher movies were epic works of art, and these guys borrow some costumes and do a generic version of Bats and everyone creams themselves. Sorry, it takes more than this to impress me. Any of us could have done this film if we had the money. Yes, I agree they should do the "dark" version of Batman with a Joker that actually looks like the Joker, but this isn't so amazing. First off, they didn't even get Batman right! The only things that were revolutionary about Burton's BATMAN was seeing Gotham City realized on film for the first time, and the black Robocop Bats costume. Don't you guys remember or are you too young? We had suffered through years of dorky spandex costumes with Bats and Supes and here was something totally new and insired that really worked on film! The spandex can only work on an actor who is just in great, great shape or it doesn't look right. When I saw this, I thought of Miller's Dark Knight with the older, hefty Batman. Maybe that's what it's supposed to be, I don'tknow. *Some* changes are always going to be needed when bringing comic characters to film, especially with the older characters. It's a nice fan film, it's nice to know someone realizes that they need a back to basics aproach. But there is no "vision" here that justifys people complimenting this the way they are.

  • July 24, 2003, 2:02 a.m. CST

    From the Stunt Coordinator

    by Stuntpuppet

    Hey folks, my name is Scott and I was the Stunt Coordinator on

  • July 24, 2003, 2:11 a.m. CST

    DOWNLOAD IT HERE

    by Guy Incognito2

    http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/m/jmm546/batman_deadend_fanfilm.mov

  • July 24, 2003, 2:14 a.m. CST

    NERRRRRDS!!!

    by The Turd Burgler

    Wheeee! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH <br> Ah, you fangeeks and movienerds make me laugh with all your bitching and, uh oh. Here I go again! <br> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA... <br> oops. I wet 'em. <br> The Turd Burgler

  • July 24, 2003, 2:17 a.m. CST

    I thought it was OK

    by Unnatural

    Let's review. 1. it's free. 2. no nipples. 3. looks kinda cool. 4. it's free. 5. it is something live action batman related, which is more than I can say for WB. 6. No Dawson Creek flunky playing Batman 7. It's free. 8. Independent filmmaker dude just trying to make his mark. Meanwhile the usual suspects in this talkback make theirs. 9. No fake looking CGI ala Spider-Man and The Hulk 10. It's free.

  • July 24, 2003, 2:59 a.m. CST

    THAT was AWSOME!!!!

    by antonphd

    The batman of my childhood daydreams!! The looks, the moves, the knee punches!!! The "alright, fine, there are more of you, well fuck you let's get to it" attitude!! This is why I have to say that this is the best batman I have ever seen! And it just made me want to watch another batman movie, something that I thought I would never feel again after falling asleep during Batman and Robin in the theater years ago. THINK ABOUT THIS... Can you imagine Batman in Predator 2 trying to figure out what is killing all of the people, actually detecting something for once, AND in a DARK setting!!! Maybe you didn't think that Predator 2 was that smart, but, it's a start at imagining how cool it would be to get Batman and a serious foe, one both smart and physically challenging! Wow, I have to THANK GOD that someone made this movie, even if it IS only 8 minutes long. It inspires me. If they can make something just 'cause they would love to see it made, then so can I.

  • July 24, 2003, 3 a.m. CST

    Saw it. Wasn't impressed.

    by Cash Bailey

    I don't know... there's just something fundamentally sad about fan fiction or fan films. I got into trouble on the RAIDERS remake TB for voicing this opinion, but I kind of resent people like Mr Collora (SP?) who blow many thousands of dollars on an opportunity to express your own creativity and originality. Also, I thought the film just wasn't that good. The only thing that distinguished it from any student fan film was the production value of shooting on 35mm. Apart from that the direction wasn't distinctive or eye-catching at all. The score sucked as well.

  • July 24, 2003, 3:18 a.m. CST

    This is a total cop-out wussy thing to say, but...

    by Ted_Naifeh

    I agree with everybody. Yes, the dialog and scenerio were ludicous. Yes, the costume, at least without cape and cowl, looked like pajamas. The cowl was a bit oversized, and rubbery looking in the back. The lighting was crap. it wasn't even really a story. I think every complaint I read about this film is justified. However... This was still EASILY the coolest looking Batman committed to live-action film. They managed to do what Hollywood hasn't done since Chris Reeve. They put a man in a simple leotard and got a totally convincing superhero. The fight scene was HOT! Compared to the lackluster hand-to-hand fights in the rubber-bat movies, it just kicked seven kinds of ass. Color me impressed. The spitting? So Sexy! Oh,and the red-armored Predator at the end? Sexy sexy sexy. All that being said, this wasn't a movie. I wasn't meant to be. It was a showcase, and a fine one. it would have been nice to see a real script, but that's not what this film was for. It did what is was supposed to do, it conveyed how much better Batman can be without all the overcompensation of gaudy and grotesque special effects, overdone, ugly costumes that look like a goth Gumby, and scrawny stand-up comedians that have no business playing a part meant for a real man. Anyway, sorry for not really saying anything anyone else hasn't said. Just wanted to give my two cents' worth. I'll try to have more meaningful input next time.

  • July 24, 2003, 3:40 a.m. CST

    I was really into it for the first couple of minutes

    by St.Buggering

    But yes, the Aliens and Predator stuff completely took me out of the film. At that moment, it became one big geeky in-joke that just kept going and going. I thought that it was supposed to be funny at first, but it became clear that we were expected to take it seriously, and it lost me at that point. It's a shame, too, because the opening stuff really is pretty stunning. The shot of him rising up off the pavement as his cloak pulls in is excellent. I just know there'll be a geek campaign to get this made into a feature. Sigh.

  • July 24, 2003, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Fan Films

    by DarthSiskel

    This is probably the best fanfilm since Troops. I am curious where the $30k went. Maybe Father Geek can do a follow up interview and ask some more in depth questions.

  • July 24, 2003, 4:02 a.m. CST

    It's on theForce.net!!

    by gingy

    http://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/batman_deadend/

  • Give me a break. This is the great Batman reincarnation??? If the Hollywood lame brains actually worked hard at finding people w/ talent (like they use to) maybe we could better movies now-a-days!!

  • July 24, 2003, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Thank you Sandy!

    by enigmainyourhead

    Just another big thanks for making something kickass cool, and giving us Batman the way he should be.

  • July 24, 2003, 5 a.m. CST

    It's only entertainment

    by Kingofthemoles

    Just watched the Batman: Dead End 8 minute movie. What can I say? I like it! It just shows what you can do with a rather small budget. Take note Joel Unfortunately I'd read the about twist before I'd seen it, not that it made a difference. To show my age, (and the fact that I'm English) THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. The joker as he is supposed to be, all thin and totally mad, Batman more of a silent predator. (pun intended) As for the cape spread around him on the floor before he stands up, straight from Batman Red Rain. As for the 'surprise', Far too many people have been taking themselves far too seriously. Personally I think Superman should have turned up at the very end as well by landing next to Batman just before it faded to black. What a kick start to all the franchises that would be. I know, I know, I'm a 30+ year old fan boy but I don't care. In the end it's only entertainment.

  • July 24, 2003, 6:18 a.m. CST

    For something that devotes a quarter of the running time to the

    by jackmcgee2003

    ... I find it pretty disgusting that none of the original creators or composers receive any sort of acknowledgement. If the "evil corporations" (DC/Warner, Fox) get a mention, why not the likes of Bob Kane, the Thomas brothers, Elliot Goldenthal, Alan Silvestri etc? In particular, I wonder what HR Giger and Stan Winston would make of the "Creatures designed and created by Sandy Collora Studios" credit? As for the film itself, I'd have been far more impressed if they'd attempted widely known/recognized icons such as Superman or Wonder Woman rather than Batman - after 4 films in the last 15 years, we're all familiar with how the latter translates to live-action, but given the (arguably) dated or hard-to-translate-from-comics costumes of other characters, anyone who could prove that they could pull them off would surely have a killer "business card"? (Especially given that Superman and Wonder Woman are projects that studios are currently trying to put together, but which are mired deep in development hell.)

  • July 24, 2003, 7:49 a.m. CST

    For all the whiny naysayers...

    by Otter

    ...The Comic Con went crazy for it. Alex Ross loved it, as well as Kevin Smith. You think the Batman movies had a great Batsuit? Sure, if Michael Keaton was *supposed* to be wearing a neck brace in that costume, and had to turn his whole body around like a mannequin to look at someone. Or maybe you liked the Batnipples, which while never used, were actually removable pheremone gas bombs to attract Joel Schumaker? Give up your whines, you unhappy children. Be happy that someone else than a corporation intent on selling you boy-toys and Happy Meals is trying to do justice to the Batman legacy.

  • July 24, 2003, 8:18 a.m. CST

    MAN!!!!! I whisn this was a long feature film...

    by Dead Megatron

    Here's my 2 cents: This WAS the best Batman ever portrait on fiml. He's got the attitude. He's got the dirty street-fighting skills. He's got the cape, which is PERFECT! The JOker is also awesome. Even better than Jack Nicholson's. Too bad h doesn't get to do more on the film, like, let's say, use his laughing gas os somethin'. Both of the characters seem almost painfully human and realistic. Kudoz to the actors and the director. Even the Aliens were amazing. Much, much better than thonse in Alien:Ressurrection. A true match to Ridley's original movie. And the Predator. Well they are neither better nor worse than the movie's, but they play their part flawlessly. All in all, I give this a A+, no doubt. Too bad i cant see it in the big screen

  • July 24, 2003, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Hhhhhhhmmmmmm........

    by DirkD13"

    Far better than Shumacher, and I would pay good money to see Batman kick some Predator ass. Unfortunately though, I'm not either going to get a boner from this or lose any sleep. Oh the blissful life of non-obsession. Hope all you naysayers get many frown lines from this, as I couldn't give a fuck whether it was made or not. Peace.

  • July 24, 2003, 8:28 a.m. CST

    by taffy

    I think some of you guys need to close your iBooks and go get some sun-light.

  • July 24, 2003, 8:37 a.m. CST

    You motherfuckers complaining about everything need to shut the

    by Blue_In_The_Face

    You pencil neck bastards need to stop whining about this fanfilm. You motherfuckers are the reason why the Batman franchise was ruined to start with! Yes! You! You keep complaining about this and that... Fuck you! I am so sick and tired of comic book freak perfectionist picking apart some of the best work done with Batman! Oh, and those of you motherfuckers that quote other people when trying to make a rebuttal need to stop that! You whinny bitches sound like seventh grade schoolgirls who have gotten their period for the first time!

  • July 24, 2003, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Hey look, a fat Batman's fighting in underroos.

    by wookieepotpie

    Still it's better than Birds of Prey.

  • July 24, 2003, 9:05 a.m. CST

    best batman on fim !!! Thank you

    by paulyd30

    Best Batman on film period !!! I have been a Big Fan of Batman for over 30 years and this is Totally Awesome !! True to the comics like christopher reeves in Superman and Arnold in Connan.(let the lamentation of the woman begin!!) who needs rubber suits when you can get real men to play the Characters not wimpy comedians !! the coustume was increadible!! I would have loved to seen the directors vision of Superman at the end. Thank you !!!

  • July 24, 2003, 9:06 a.m. CST

    IT WAS GREAT!!!!!!

    by the G-man

    For what it was, a demo to show how this guy could handle the stunts, costumes and special effects in a Batman film, it was awesome. If nothing else, this guy should be immediately hired as the designer for the next Bat film, if not director.

  • July 24, 2003, 7:31 p.m. CST

    bring me the head of ashton kutcher

    by hanktallica

    let's all stop bickering for one moment and reflect on the fact that every major bozo in hollywood is going all goo-eyed for ashton kutcher. he is currently being offered every role from the man of steel to...BATMAN!!!! now, with that said, go back to your kazaa, or whatever other server we have all managed to download Dead End from, and imagine that jack ass as the dark knight..."you just got punked joker!!!" Joker: "dammit Kelso, you created me!" p.s. haha, his name is BONER.

  • July 24, 2003, 8:29 p.m. CST

    It Has Its Moments

    by OrionAgentPozo

    Very cool achievement, especially after reading info (here, over on SHH) about the shoot. Not how I (or you) would've done it, but then I wouldn't have done LoTR the way Jackson did it either [wink!]. At least someone made the attempt, it's a toe in the door and who knows where this could lead as far as getting the studios off their complacent a**holes and out on a ledge...

  • July 24, 2003, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Nice job, guys

    by FrankCobretti

    I finally got a chance to see the picture, and I'd like to extend a hearty "good job" to all those involved.

  • July 24, 2003, 10:15 p.m. CST

    "batman: dead end" A filmmaker's critique

    by larazarules

    First: the 30K is absolutely false, unless somebody fooled you guys into overspending about 20K dollars. Yes, most people don't know how expensive filmmaking is, but a 35mm rig for 4 days and a high shooting ratio cannot justify a 30K budget. Whatever. It actually works against you to say it was that much, since it means that your production management was not as tight as it should/could be. But never mind that, let's go directly to the film itself. The first shot, with Batman pulling down his suit, should have been trimmed so that he does not look like he was waiting for the camera to roll and the director to say action to start pulling it down. Simply trim a few frames to make it look like you caught him in the middle of the action. I know you probably cannot do this, because then most people would not catch the patch he has on his ribs. Do you have any other takes? Can you slow this take with Twixtor? The shot where he turns around with his cape is almost at the same angle and the same focal length as the previous shot. A new angle would have been better. Great idea to use stock footage of the building, but the art design should have included its look, as it makes Batman seem to be in a totally different building (especially with the nice gargoyle). If it was not your intent to make people think Batamn is actually in that building (is it supossed to be the building with the radio station broadcasting the Joker's escape?), then you should have used a different stock footage shot, a wider shot of the city in egenral, not a shot focusing on a single building. The Batman logo in the background looks to fake, even at this low resolution. A few fake wisps of clouds could have been added to a black background to make the logo less sharp and geometric (it looks like it ia being projected on somehting flat, not on clouds), or simply add it CG in post (you are shooting against a black background, not very difficult to composite it). The first shot of the Joker running into the alley is very generic, especially since you do have the shot of his feet running past the mouse. That shot should have been the first shot of the joker, not the wide shot of him running in. It is a bad presentation of the character especially given the nice montage used to introduce the Batman character. That shot belongs in a student film (the composition, not anything else). If we had seen only his feet first, you would have increased your audience's hunger to see him closer later on. The wide shot ruins that suspense. When Batman lands on the rain soaked alley, great use of the adjustable shutter to capture the motion of the droplets he displaced. Very well executed. The shot of Batman getting up as his cape retracts is way too long. It is a very nice shot, but you needed to trim a couple of seconds to just before he gets up. I know you probably love this shot, vut that does nto mean you have to squeeze every last nanosecond out of it. It slows the pace down. After Batman's close up of his squinting eyes, you cut back to that same shot of him walking away after the "getting up" shot. That was not necessary. You could cut straight into the level shot of him walking through the steam. Goign back to that previous shot does follow continuity but seems too repeptitive. When we cut to the first c.u. of the Joker, you cut back to him getting smacked. However, you need to trim a few frames of the following shot so that the audience will not notice the lack of visual continuity between the c.u. and the wide shot. Cutting to the wider shot just as the Joker's face is getting smacked would solve this problem (incidentally, the lack of visual continuity exists in the previous cut as well, but only when you cut back to the wider shot from the c.u. it is really apparent). In the two shot of Batman and the Joker, (when Batman says "...you made your choice a long time ago..") you have way too much headroom. I realize you want to keep the cowl's ears in the shot, but are sacrificing the rest of the shot to do that. Instead, you should have shot it low angle, to keep both the ears of the cowl and normal headroom. Or simply shoot it with normal headroom. We know the ears are there (you can always reposition this shot in post. I am sure you know how). The extreme c.u. of the Joker's eyes and Batman's reverse: I would have used the same focal length, but not with them talking straight to the camera. E.c.u.s of side shots would have worked better, or at least have one of the characters looking at the camera and not the other. Who's side do you want the audience to be on? If we have the straight on shot of the Joker and a side shot of Batman, then you are aligning the audience with Bat, and viceversa. Having them both as straight on, you are nulifying their impact. Nice use of the variable shutter angle to capture the motion of the rain droplets in the medium shot of the Alien on top of Batman, but too bad the continuity person or somebody else didn't remind you to turn the water on again during the close ups. There is a break of continuity there (where did the 30K go? not on the water bill, it seems). From there on every wide shot seems to have the water on and every clos eup has it off...wtf? Right after Batman gets up, and before he throws his baterang, you should have added a sound effect of the Predator also aiming his laser at him, and possibly added a the laser targeting on Batman's cowl (as if he was the next target). This would increase the tension (why is Batman attacking the Predator? he just saved his ass?). It would also explain why the Predator seesm to be just waiting there while Batman reaches into his belt for the baterang. The first shot of the Predator's pov could be improved as it differs a bit too much from the actual film. Had this been a mediocre film, this would not matter, but since you spent 30K (allegedly) this should be a very cheap thing to do. I am assuming you do not have an actual print of this anyway, so why not make this change? The second shot of the Predator's pov is simply wrong. Do you mean to tell me that in all the preproduction and the storyboarding that was done (you do mention money was spent on storyboarding) nobody caught on that the shots from the Predator's pov should be shot FROM HIS POV? It looks like you forgot to shot actual shots that were suposed to be from the Predator's perspective, and simply used a special fx (DFT thermal?) to "dress" some actual shots from the movie as if they belonged to the Predator. It looks like an afterthought. When Batman is seen from the Predator's pov, he should be looking straight into the camera and nowhere else. (actually you do have only one shot that is correct: the one where Batamn comes toward the Predator with the pipe. The rest of them are wrong) The shot of the Predator looking at his wrist right before he extends his wrist blades should have been shot to actually include the blade attachment. It looks like he is looking at his bicep! The shot of Batman right after he opens the second blade, where he seesm to pose for a few seconds to resemble the countless drawings from the comic books, is waaaaay to long. It suffers from the same syndrome as the "getting up from the ground as the cape retracts" shot. Yes, it looks cool, but it stays there for waaay too long. As far as story and concept, most people here have already voice opinions that I support, so no need to repeat them. Besides these "details" your short is a competent one, well shot and executed. Now write something original and shoot it.

  • July 24, 2003, 11:20 p.m. CST

    All critcism aside, at least it's something

    by Baggs McJungle

    Whether you loved it or hated it, at least we've got something Batman on film to get excited about. The studio execs, the bean counters, the various directors and actors have fucked the fans for years now, with rumours of this or that Bat-film, yet nothing has materialized. I say to this director - NICE FUCKING WORK!!! - at least you had the balls to put your ideas on film. By the way..I think the inclusion of the alien and predator was way cool!

  • July 25, 2003, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Well there is one thing done right..

    by Captain Comicz

    At least Batman

  • July 25, 2003, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Meleractor has a request....

    by Meleractor

    Well, before this admirable "for the love of the characters" euphoria wears off, could someone please do a film short/demo reel with the "REAL" WOLVERINE (yeah, I said it)slicing and dicing a bunch of "the hand" ninjas. Blood everywhere, with my (5 foot 3 inch, stockybuilt, hairy assed, rough mugged canucklehead) doing what he does best, wearing the classic brown and tan, you fucking guessed it, "pajamas." That's what I want, make it happen or send me the money and I'll do it my damn self. Oh, and a very refreshing demo reel Sandy, It's rough, but fuck it, it has what hollywood can't seem to buy, heart.

  • July 25, 2003, 7:01 a.m. CST

    PERFECTIONIST FUCKERS!!!

    by antonphd

    No one can perfect everything that they work on. Have you ever heard that an artist is never finished with their work?!! Never completely satisfied, unless they are just so tired of working on something that they are satisfied with forgetting about it! You only live once. Geez!! Do you know how much you can accomplish in life if you seriously aim for perfection? Hardly anything! I mean, aim high, but perfectionism is really for the ignorant and unaccomplished. No one in history who is known for their inovation was a perfectionist. They all created just a shitload of stuff and are known for some of the stuff that turned out to be of mass importance or appeal. Jeez!! You cannot be perfect at art anyway. It is impossible. Art is subjective and perfection is supposedly objective, based on a standard. What you think is perfect now, should not be perfect tommorow or you haven't grown. Think about it.

  • July 25, 2003, 7:01 a.m. CST

    PERFECTIONIST FUCKERS!!!

    by antonphd

    No one can perfect everything that they work on. Have you ever heard that an artist is never finished with their work?!! Never completely satisfied, unless they are just so tired of working on something that they are satisfied with forgetting about it! You only live once. Geez!! Do you know how much you can accomplish in life if you seriously aim for perfection? Hardly anything! I mean, aim high, but perfectionism is really for the ignorant and unaccomplished. No one in history who is known for their inovation was a perfectionist. They all created just a shitload of stuff and are known for some of the stuff that turned out to be of mass importance or appeal. Jeez!! You cannot be perfect at art anyway. It is impossible. Art is subjective and perfection is supposedly objective, based on a standard. What you think is perfect now, should not be perfect tommorow or you haven't grown. Think about it.

  • July 25, 2003, 7:02 a.m. CST

    PERFECTIONIST FUCKERS!!!

    by antonphd

    No one can perfect everything that they work on. Have you ever heard that an artist is never finished with their work?!! Never completely satisfied, unless they are just so tired of working on something that they are satisfied with forgetting about it! You only live once. Geez!! Do you know how much you can accomplish in life if you seriously aim for perfection? Hardly anything! I mean, aim high, but perfectionism is really for the ignorant and unaccomplished. No one in history who is known for their inovation was a perfectionist. They all created just a shitload of stuff and are known for some of the stuff that turned out to be of mass importance or appeal. Jeez!! You cannot be perfect at art anyway. It is impossible. Art is subjective and perfection is supposedly objective, based on a standard. What you think is perfect now, should not be perfect tommorow or you haven't grown. Think about it.

  • July 25, 2003, 7:04 a.m. CST

    PERFECTIONIST FUCKERS!!!

    by antonphd

    No one can perfect everything that they work on. Have you ever heard that an artist is never finished with their work?!! Never completely satisfied, unless they are just so tired of working on something that they are satisfied with forgetting about it! You only live once. Geez!! Do you know how much you can accomplish in life if you seriously aim for perfection? Hardly anything! I mean, aim high, but perfectionism is really for the ignorant and unaccomplished. No one in history who is known for their inovation was a perfectionist. They all created just a shitload of stuff and are known for some of the stuff that turned out to be of mass importance or appeal. Jeez!! You cannot be perfect at art anyway. It is impossible. Art is subjective and perfection is supposedly objective, based on a standard. What you think is perfect now, should not be perfect tommorow or you haven't grown. Think about it.

  • July 25, 2003, 8:36 a.m. CST

    A not unreasonable suggestion

    by TheWoodMan

    No long-winded diatribe here; I made my points re: Krappy Korporate Krossovers in the other TalkBack. I just wanted to suggest that, before anyone gets too excited about "Batman vs. Predators vs. Aliens: Merchandising Landslide", maybe they should try producing a good Batman movie first. Just one. Then we can all get on that slippery slope towards "Batman vs. Ewoks: The Fur Flies".

  • July 25, 2003, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Interesting comments larazarules....

    by Boris the Blade

    Good critical comments. Only if you didn't sound so arrogant while making those comments. Now the question is, do you follow your own advice..I agree that Sandy probably fell in love with too many of the shots. I actually don't think 30K is that much for this film, given all the costume design required, length, film stock, fx, and of course craft services. But what the hell do I know, I'm a former talking head.

  • July 25, 2003, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Funny - I LOVED the lighting!

    by Movietool

    Go figure. When I first saw this I thought that the best thing about it was the photography. All of those deep sharp shadows over the faces of the characters was really nice! I hope Hellboy looks that good - it's practically right out of a Mignola panel.

  • July 25, 2003, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Why get angry about it?

    by Hyde01

    People have spent more time screaming and insulting each other over this tiny little piece of a movie than it took these cats to make it. I thought it was pretty good, for what it was. I hope Sandy gets some work and improves and blah blah blah. NOW, shot for shot, here's how I would've done it-

  • July 25, 2003, 4:28 p.m. CST

    LAME

    by the Spyman

    Personally, this film was futile. Why waste MY time encouraging me to check this crap out. I can only see the $30k going into the Cotumes and Monsters.... everything else looks like cheap cra It was pointless, I could care less about anything...and the ending was lack lustered. Predator swinging... whoop dee doo. Aliens creeping ... whoop dee doo If this guy is looking to direct action-less documentaries for the blind or mentally challenged, he may have a future. Keyword MAY. No knocking the crew, the crew did a great job. That's where the monies obviously went. I shake my head at this... So What if Batman is in a fabric outfit.... so what if he looked cool... Take photos and show your daddy. The Acting was HORRID, The Action... Must have been lost in the creature Suits. Yay the Predator can Jump! Who Cares... And Mr Pompous Director, He couldn't Direct traffic on a one way street, but he could tell you he could! Piss Off Batman : Dead End Dead End refers to his career.

  • July 25, 2003, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Oh my Jesus Christ

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    I'm seriously disgusted that people don't get their mind off the fact that just because it's Batman/Aliens/Predator cross-over that it has shit dialogue. Sure it looked good, but it was written so poorly that I almost wanted to cry out in angony (like I literally did during Josie and the Pussycats). Obviously since I'm writting this really late I doubt many people will read it so I'll probably never get people to stop and look at it as an giant business card rather than a legitimate movie.

  • July 25, 2003, 8:36 p.m. CST

    larazarules

    by backspace

    larazarules - if you wouldn't mind please post a link to something you have done, i would really enjoy seeing it. it would seem that your knowledge is limited when it comes to the costs involved in making a film. the creatures made for this piece are going to cost over $10,000.00 just for the materials alone, no labor. film stock will cost $5-6000.00 easily unless you chance using shotends which might not be any good. a third of the budget is gone and you still haven't rented lights, cameras, grip package, generator, gotten a caterer, location permits, built a set rented a nearby building for a place to setup and have the cast and crew assemble and work out of. that is unless everything is based out of trucks which winds up being more expensive... and many more costs than can be listed here. your criticism of the rain shows that you don't realize that there IS rain falling in every scene, if there is no position for a light (A WALL IN THE WAY FOR INSTANCE) behind the rain directly in front of the camera you won't see the rain, rain is a prism. you can't light rain from the front or sides and see it. when they are up against a wall there is nowhere for the light source, therefore you don't see the falling rain very well. if you look carefully you can see it hitting the actors and the surrounding sets and ground. there is rain in every scene. some of your criticisms are reasonably good but some just seem like you are stretching just to criticize. the batsignel IS a cgi effect. you are really reaching when complaining about the predator vision shots being a few feet off center but i saw that too. in the context of this piece it didn't bother me. as i understand it this was never supposed to be seen by the general public.

  • July 25, 2003, 9:21 p.m. CST

    larazarules

    by backspace

    sorry - shortends not shotends

  • July 25, 2003, 9:39 p.m. CST

    ouch!

    by larazarules

    "larazarules - if you wouldn't mind please post a link to something you have done, i would really enjoy seeing it. " Actually, I do have a couple of films on cable right now. But hey, maybe I really don't know what I'm talking about, in that case, why bother quoting my critique? "it would seem that your knowledge is limited when it comes to the costs involved in making a film. the creatures made for this piece are going to cost over $10,000.00 just for the materials alone, no labor." If you determined that the best way to make the film was to build the predators and the aliens from scratch, then you are the one who does not know the first thing about managing a production. As some people have already pointed out, there are many fans who have bought and made their own Predators and Alien suits. The suits in this film look no better than the fan made suits (especially the Alien one), so having them done from scracth was a mistake. " film stock will cost $5-6000.00 easily unless you chance using shotends which might not be any good. a third of the budget is gone and you still haven't rented lights, cameras, grip package, generator, gotten a caterer, location permits, built a set rented a nearby building for a place to setup and have the cast and crew assemble and work out of. that is unless everything is based out of trucks which winds up being more expensive... and many more costs than can be listed here." Sorry, but 5,000 dollars worth of film stock for an 8 minute film is yet another example of very poor preproduction. Just what the hell do you think a shooting ratio should be? If it was more than 5:1 then what you are really saying is that there was no rehearsals, and that the actors were messing up every shot at least 5 times in a row. Even if you were shooting at a 10:1 ratio, that does not amount to 5-6K worth of film stock, frined. If they needed more film stock than that for an 8 minute film, they should fire their production manager and their dp immediately, and they do not know what the f*** they are doing. And it's not short ends, but recans, and no, nobody who knows anything about film would buy that stock. "your criticism of the rain shows that you don't realize that there IS rain falling in every scene, if there is no position for a light (A WALL IN THE WAY FOR INSTANCE) behind the rain directly in front of the camera you won't see the rain, rain is a prism. you can't light rain from the front or sides and see it. when they are up against a wall there is nowhere for the light source, therefore you don't see the falling rain very well. if you look carefully you can see it hitting the actors and the surrounding sets and ground. there is rain in every scene." Sorry, but what difference does it make that there WAS rain in every shot if it wasn't lit so that it could be seen? If you can't see it, it is NOT there. Perhaps you should include a title while they are fighting to remind the audience that the rain is there even if they can't see it? You do claim that money was spent on set construction...then that would be the perfect opportunity for a wild wall. Incidentally, the shots that have no apparent rain are medium close ups, so your argument that a wall was there is invalid, you could have always rigged a smaller light at the right angle just to make the rain register. One cannot see the wall that you claim prevents them from positioning a light in the shot, so what's the argument here? "some of your criticisms are reasonably good but some just seem like you are stretching just to criticize. the batsignel IS a cgi effect." All the more reason to make it more believable. It really looks like it was painted on black velvet, iow, flat. "you are really reaching when complaining about the predator vision shots being a few feet off center but i saw that too. in the context of this piece it didn't bother me. as i understand it this was never supposed to be seen by the general public." It may not bother you, so I am really happy for you. However, those shots are wrong, period. They immediately took me out of the narrative precisely because they were composed incorrectly. Besides, my main point was that having "spent" 30K it was very dumb not too have framed those shots correctly, since many other aspects of the production seem so well planned and executed. I stand by what I said, People in the industry know how much it costs to make a film by the rules, and they also know how much it costs to make one independently. If this guy wanted to show off how well he manages a production (otherwise why announce how much was spent and how long it took?), saying it costs 30K to make an 8 minute film with no special effects (besides the sparklers off the Predator's shoulder) is not the way to do it. He should have said he made it for 10K in 2 days. Hope this calms you down...yeah right! Anyway, sorry to make you so angry. Make another one and I will help you out if you want, perhaps even give you a few pointers on managing a production and keeping your shooting ratio below 5:1? ;)

  • July 25, 2003, 10:28 p.m. CST

    larazarules

    by backspace

    what's frined, am i missing something?

  • July 26, 2003, 12:35 a.m. CST

    MAKING OF FEATURETTE & Full Screen Version!!

    by Hellboy_88

    www.theforce.net have the Making of Featurette of Batman: Dead End as well as the full screen version online!!!

  • July 26, 2003, 2:47 a.m. CST

    critiquing the fans .. not the flick..

    by JasonDkEldar

    it's a flick, and the incendiary reaction-baiting comments made by the little fellas on summer vaation from remedial Emglish classes at the local PS123 need to get over themselves. Cleverness and cunning do not equal taste nor intelligence. The pics look great, and I could not watch the whole flick due to bandwidth probs with my server, which is suffering from the Memphis Windstorm still. 35 mm color flmstock is expensive as hell to purchase, shoot, and postproduce, so the fake filmmaker's insistence on his knowledge, gleaned mostly from director's commentaries and the few scanaround DVD multi-angle scene shots seem to only make his argument weaker. The Poor and the Hungry, a local film running about 80 minutes was financed with 30,000 dollars of credit cards, but had to be shot on black and white and depended largely on film students developing the master print in their spare time for class projects. The actors and crew worked for free and later money considerations, and it still took months to shoot due to the need to stretch out the production over days off and time free at locations. A final point for those of you who lost interest when Bats fought the Alien and Predator characters?? Read your comics, study the characters you claim to love and then realize there was comic life before Spawn and Cable. Miller and Moore saved DC. Claremont, McFarlane and others saved Marvel. They did it for the experience and for the love of the characters--NOT to make another foil covered investment for some worse-than-fanboy mercenary Magic The Gathering schmoe. Fanboys and geeks, the enemies are out there, and they are no longer the frat boys, ballers, and student government popular kids. They are the pseudo-fans--the guys who spent their time playing whatever their friends said was cool. Trouble is they now think themselves better than those hapless friends, who now reside in the local bar. So thinking themselves intelligent and discerning, they come into a scene and not enjoying it for itself, seek to peck their way in to some order that simply does not exist. Think of all the fools trolling here to get you to come to their sites. Think of all the people who post here trashing the contributing wrtiers and most often moreso the subjects of their writing. Calling verbal defecation honest debate is as genuine as "Authentic faux diamonelles." They don't like what they trash ever, at all, nor do they like movies that don't feature Smokey OR the Bandit or the latest retarded retreaded action "star". They want every movie that doesn't have a misguided liberal whining about his life or lack thereof to be as moronic and simple in its content as every thing else they can lump into something to blast away at. At least with movies about bullshit, their bullshit will please the target audience, and they know that people who like stupid films won;t be reading their reviews, comments, or opinions. So when something comes along that speaks of fun, or is referenced to smething outside their own interests or abilities to cope with understanding, they descend to dredging their reference material for suitable invective to dissect up and spew back out as their own thought and debating points. This, like the Indy remake, are made for people who enjoy the genre to appreciate, while showing the dedication and development of the persons behind the film. If it is rough, perhaps the career is developing still. If it is boring and confused, like most film school fare and class content, then the filmmaker-to-be is past hope, with ambitions only to be enjoyed in review classes.

  • July 26, 2003, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Batman: Dead End - PERFECTION!

    by TexBatFan

    I've been a Batfan since I could remember....that's at least 25 years now. I recently saw Dead End and absolutely loved it. Thanks for FINALLY putting something together that does the Dark Knight justice. I wish WB could learn from it. If they choose to use someone like Kelso to play Batman for the sake of grabbing a wider audience, they will be doing the character a TERRIBLE injustice. I honestly believe that's why we'll never see a really good Batman or Superman film for that matter. Thanks again for the great short. I'm speechless about it.

  • July 26, 2003, 1:14 p.m. CST

    larazarules

    by backspace

    as i understand it the wall of the aluminum foundery would have been way too expensive to move so the rain could be seen by lighting it properly.

  • July 26, 2003, 2:51 p.m. CST

    LOL, KINO

    by larazarules

    So you DO AGREE that you can't see that rain either, eh? Thanks for accepting that fact after all. BTW, what is "foundery"? Let's see...let me count the ways that shot could have been done right: It could have been blocked properly, so that it could be lit properly, They could have cheated, if you don't know what that means look it up in a film dictionary, They could have simply rigged a smaller light, since I have already twice pointed out, the shot does NOT SHOW A WALL; it is a medium close up. I wonder: what is it that makes you so angry? did you work in this production? do you feel you failed them in some capacity? were you the person in charge of continuity or mechanical special effects? don't feel so bad, just do better next time. Talk to you soon! LOL

  • July 26, 2003, 7:20 p.m. CST

    larazarules

    by backspace

    why won't you post a link to your cable access show?

  • July 26, 2003, 7:25 p.m. CST

    larazarules

    by backspace

    oh, ok. you win, you know everything, i give up.

  • July 27, 2003, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Mediocre: no more, no less

    by THEWANKER

    "Best representation." Quit buzzing those words. There was nothing spectacular at all about the short. Batman's line delivery was weak. The grey parts of the costume were too bright, looked like PJ's. The action was cut and dry. Wasn't bad, wasn't great. Woop dee doo. Proyas could do Batman better than what's his name.

  • July 27, 2003, 5:47 a.m. CST

    goota respect larazarules for not pimping a site like the ill-fa

    by JasonDkEldar

    BTW, thanks for confirming your filmschool background. I am sure your work in craft services in the future will be quite rewarding, perhaps even leading to a career as foley artist??

  • July 27, 2003, 5:48 p.m. CST

    batman dead end

    by backspace

    batman deadend is still one of the few short films to have stimulated such controversy and worldwide attention. whether you like it or not really doesn't matter, it has not only put the filmmakers in everyones reach, it has given all filmmakers - no matter what background or budget the realization that you CAN make a difference on a major scale.

  • July 27, 2003, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith's Opinion...

    by HarmoniumSaver

    does not impress me anymore. I remember him saying Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back was going to be the ultimate View Askew film. and it just plain sucked. Sometimes comic fans overlook the lameness on film and rather look at the idea of the characters in comparison to the comic. Smith's a comic book geek. That is all I have to say.

  • July 27, 2003, 9:52 p.m. CST

    And somehow your opinion is more creatively apt to producing goo

    by A 30+ User

    so you have some great idea to translate comics to film? or are you just good at siting on perverbial tacos and crapping out your mouth? kevin smith is one of the few directors out there that get it right with comedic wit thru writing and acting and directing, if he wants to do Jay And Silent Bob until he's 65 like Jerry Lewis, than thats fantastic, and its much more funny ever lasting, than sh*t like legally blonder 4 or my american loose cherry pie ever will be. i wish there were a crib to place all of the 'i fogot what comedies are all about' 5 dollar commericial matinee monkees in, the world would be more enjoyable on the outside lol

  • July 28, 2003, 2:37 a.m. CST

    batty

    by backspace

    regardless of your opinion of batman dead end, it has put it's film makers in front of a worldwide audience, and has given hope to all struggling film makers that such obstacles can be overcome.

  • July 28, 2003, 2:42 a.m. CST

    larazarules

    by backspace

    oops, sorry, just realized i should have written foundry not foundery - no wonder you were so confused. that must have been the 'e' that went missing last week.

  • July 28, 2003, 4 a.m. CST

    Holy BatCrap

    by the Spyman

    Why would ANYONE argue FOR this piece of Guano??? This $30K waste of Time equates out to be some sort of Idiot Fan, I do mean Idiot, dream. It is a load of porceline gravel in QuickTime. The lighting is bad, the acting is horrid, the "writing" is unbearable, the overall vision is retarded, the direction is near a Middle School Stage Production Level. I've seen better production value and acting on the Classic, Good Times. Why was BATMAN even IN this POS? It viewed more like a fat basement nerd's wet dream. When I read the talknack here and see you morons outwardly praise this crap it only makes me fear for our future. The Director is growing Creatively??? Is that another word for OLD and Failing? I hope we see more of his work on some Fatneck's Website someday... and nothing more... ATTENTION PRODUCERS We hate this film, do not consider this fathead for more than a fall guy who can stiff the crew and collect accolades. I despised it. Go To Hell!

  • July 29, 2003, 2:11 a.m. CST

    wow, spy someone has issues - and they have nothing to do with t

    by backspace

    wow, spy someone has issues - and they have nothing to do with this film....

  • July 30, 2003, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Hey, give the man a break!

    by fgonzalez

    I think Sandy did an outstanding job with the movie. To think how much was spent to make the Hulk and it fell off the top ten quickly before it could break even with the budget. Look at T3, it's a good movie but again, it costed 200 million and it's slowed down so fast. This is another one that may fall off before breaking even. Thats not a good way to make a profit. Even the movie itself didn't have the James Cameron feel to it. I understand I can't compare those movies with Sandy's Batman:Dead End because this wasn't released as a major motion picture and he did it without making a profit, but it says alot about his passion to make a movie. If he can make a very good impression with 30 thousand. What would he do with 100 mil, or 200 mil. I bet he can do a much better job than todays directors going crazy with crazy budjets and not being able to turn it into profit. So if Batman:Dead End was his "Business Card", then damn, I would like to see him with full reigns on the Batman Franchise or another popular Marvel property. Way to go Sandy!

  • Aug. 1, 2003, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Best Translation of Batman

    by madoo14

    We all realize that the storyline, acting, and creatures were sub par at best. But what else do you expect from an independent production like this. The point is that with the resources available they have done an amazing job of putting Batman on the screen. This is pure eye candy for me, I don't expect an oscar performance from these actors, and neither should you. Joel Schumacher (sp?) got millions of dollars and spit out that piece of crap Batman & Robin. This movie had a fraction of the budget and still managed to entertain me more with the opening sequence alone. I recommend that everyone even remotely interested in Batman read "Batman: the Ultimate Guide to the Dark Knight" by Scott Beatty, its like a Batman movie blueprint that gives a realistic breakdown of everything Batman with detailed drawings and descriptions of equipment, locations, and characters. People who appreciate Batman the most see him as the ultimate detective, fighter, acrobat, and master of stealth he is. Unfortunately until Dead End no movie was able to come close to capturing these elements of the Batman storyline. I hope Chris Nolan sees this and makes the costume in his movie even better (I agree that fabric is not the best route, but it is definitely ahead of rubber). Hopefully he will pull away from the previous movies in the franchise and put something together that is closer to Dead End. Nothing would make my day more than to see a major Hollywood Batman movie where he can actually do things like crouch in shadows and turn his head without the rest of his body.

  • Aug. 28, 2003, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Original ideas...

    by Coley

    For you whining dumasses who said Sandy Collora never had an original idea, try checking out his web site. Oh yeah, Clark Bartram IS Batman.

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