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Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

This is exactly the reason to go to Comic-Con. I’m really, really sorry I missed this footage, but thank God we had Quint on the scene, eh?

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here from Comic-Con... I just ran out of the tail-end of the VAN HELSING panel to get this out to you guys. Today at Sony's panel Avi Arad and Laura Zisken appeared and told the disappointed Comic-Con crowd that Sam Raimi is stuck in bed on doctor's orders with a fever of over 100 degrees... To make up for it they brought along a finished scene from Spider-Man 2 and this huge banner, giving us our first look at Alfred Molina as Dr. Otto Octavius...

Ain't it beautiful? Avi then introduced the 2 minute scene from Spider-Man 2... Good God... the way I felt last year when Bryan Singer showed that X2 clip, that giddy excitement, that great feeling of knowing that the next film is going to blow away the first... I got that here. The footage they showed was of a group of doctors going over Dr. Octavius' "accident", looking at computer readings showing the tentacles have been fused with the spine... The decision is made to cut off the tentacles, then figure out how to save his spine.

Doc Ock is laid out, face down, on a table, his eyes covered in white gauze. His 4 tentacles are wrapped in white sheets and hanging by ties to the ceiling around the room... Think the Alien Queen from ALIENS. There's tension as the main surgeon takes a buzz saw and turns it on. One of the tentacles twitches. The surgeon stops the saw, looks at the tentacle... nothing. He turns it back on again and gets very close to the metal skin of the first tentacle. BAM! The tentacles break free and beat the holy hell out of all the doctors and nurses.

This scene is classic Raimi... Following flying tentacles through the air, quick zooms into the open, screaming mouths of the nurses... The whole time Molina is laying on the surgical table completely motionless. One of the doctors gets trapped by a tentacle... looks around and sees a little sterile-silver chainsaw on the table next to him... tries to inch towards it. Then it cuts to Tentacle-cam. All 4 of the tentacles have the ability to take video it seems... it actually looked really sweet.

The tentacle thwarts the doctor's attempt to grab the chainsaw... cut away to many doctors and nurses getting smacked in the chest, face, legs by the other tentacles... the chainsaw doctor gets knocked down... all of a sudden the sound of a chainsaw roars to life and you see a gloved hand hold it high in the air triumphantly only to get totaled by the tentacle.

Everyone is down... Molina begins to wake up. He raises his head and a tentacle gently takes off the surgical gauze blindfold for him. This move was incredible. It was either some of the best CG I've ever seen or it was animatronic. If it was animatronic work, then count me doubly impressed. It was smooth and casual as if it really was just another hand at Doc Ock's disposal.

Doc Ock apparently isn't too happy with the situation. He gets up on his knees and in a wide shot we see him lamenting the situation, crying out "No!" as his tentacles flail and flex.

Fucking super-badass. The footage ended, and Molina himself was brought on as a surprise guest along with movie effects legend John Dykstra. Check 'em out!

Enjoy the above stuff. I got lots more of today's movie panels to report on, but I'll get to that later tonight. 'Til then, this is Quint bidding you all a fond farewell and adieu.


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  • July 20, 2003, 2:16 a.m. CST


    by aceattorney

    Bring on Spidey2.

  • July 20, 2003, 2:17 a.m. CST


    by ProfessorChaos

    That looks hella cool. I know it's just a banner, but still.

  • July 20, 2003, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Why do I do this to myself?

    by DapperH

    God... I hate myself sometimes for coming to the site... it builds anticipation (or should that be: an-ti-ci-........pation!) that I know won't be satisfied until next year! Anyway... the poster was nice... but I would rather have the two minutes of footage! :-) -Dap

  • July 20, 2003, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Bad Ass man

    by isxia

  • July 20, 2003, 2:21 a.m. CST

    webs on webs

    by Secret Pants

    Damn that looks intriguing.... A. Afred Molina will be tons better than Sam Neil. B. There had better be sweet lighting effects from the tentacles C. I need to go buy my ticket for TRANSFORMERS LIVE ACTION MOVIE D. Spidey 2 better be a whole lot more interesting than tobey's interview in Details...

  • July 20, 2003, 2:22 a.m. CST

    The banner looked cool, and the scene sounds good, but

    by Ryo

    I think the arm was animatronic (not that I was there) because Spidey movies and good CGI don't mix. And where's the ROTK reports Quint? Or was that Chris Lee one the only thing we're gonna get? And how come there's no report on the ROTK footage shown at ComiCon?

  • July 20, 2003, 2:22 a.m. CST

    holy crap

    by johne5

    I am speechless, Doc Ock looks so fucking bad ass.

  • July 20, 2003, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Wow. That does sound super-badass.

    by T-MACK 1.01

    I really like that Doc Ock poster and I'm loving how the tentacles look. WHen I see those banners flying high in the theatre lobby, well I'll be hooked (no pun intended) til next summer.

  • July 20, 2003, 2:25 a.m. CST

    anyone else think the black trenchcoat is a bad idea?

    by Blacklist

    Maybe I'm just really tired of black trenchcoats everywhere. It just isn't how I envisioned Doc Ock.

  • July 20, 2003, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Sounds fucking amazing

    by Archduke_Chocula

    I can't wait till next year when Doc Ock mecha-bitch slaps Shrek all the way to the bottom of the box office chart

  • July 20, 2003, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Looks OK...

    by Sherlock_Holmes_

    But what's with the trenchcoat?

  • July 20, 2003, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Sweet, Raimi's going back to his roots!

    by RenegadeBushido

    First there was the "eye cam" from Evil Dead 2 then the "arrow cam" from Army of Darkness, now there is the "tentacle cam"? Cool. I heard from either Cinescape or a writer for this site that Raimi is planning to use live action tentacles as much as possible, which I think is an excellent move. Great scoop, great pics (for what they show), and great prospects for the Spiderman franchise in the future.

  • July 20, 2003, 2:51 a.m. CST

    black trenchcoat

    by KONG33

    I too feel it's a dull character design, being he's a scientist he could have worn something unique or appropriate. The poster's awfully dark for 'Spider-Man'.

  • July 20, 2003, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Molina IS Doc Oc

    by HempireRecords

    Since they announced him, I can

  • July 20, 2003, 3:14 a.m. CST

    "No time to argue! you give me the webbing I throw you a tentac

    by Tall_Boy

    dammit I hope they work a line like that into the flick... just, you know, use some tallent. I mean, for fuck's sake, the main baddie was in the greatest scene in Spielberg's career and the best Indy scene of all time. ARgh! I just want to see him steal an idol or something.

  • July 20, 2003, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Wasn't there a Mignola/Hellboy panel today? Any word on that?

    by Andy Travis

    Yes, Ock looks cool. The scene sounds like classic Raimi all the way.

  • July 20, 2003, 3:31 a.m. CST

    weird... those arms remind me of the Matrix squid robots.... may

    by iamarayya

    ha ha ha...but it looks cool, hope the animate it well...

  • July 20, 2003, 3:47 a.m. CST

    That poster kicks ass!

    by Psyclops

    Alfred Molina looks like a scary motherfucker in that pic, very nice. This movie is looking great so far.

  • Time for X2 to get date raped.

  • July 20, 2003, 3:58 a.m. CST

    That looks unargueably cool, you have no right to bitch

    by IndustryKiller

    Fantastic and bad ass, just like a proper villain should be. At least he doesn't look like a Power ranger monster. Just think how laughable it would have been if they had given him the exact comic book look. In my opinion it was his retarded attire that always seemed to keep him from being a threatening villain. Fantastic Raimi, now lets see if you can keep from short changing his role in the film like you did the Green Goblin in the first picture. You have no excuse now that you don't have the origin story to tell.

  • July 20, 2003, 4:50 a.m. CST

    I yearn to see Venom on screen someday but I just don't see how

    by IndustryKiller

    It's essential that Parker has the costume early considering it's the main reason the symbiote seeked out Eddie Brock, it could feel the hatred for Peter Parker. Other than that I don't even care that they get rid of the Secret Wars intro for the suit as long as they don't make the symbiote a "lab experiment gone wrong". Thats getting a bit too cliche.

  • July 20, 2003, 5:29 a.m. CST


    by CuervoJones


  • July 20, 2003, 5:54 a.m. CST

    I've been waiting for these pics ALL WEEK !!!

    by RobinP

    Ever since the announcement on Coming Attractions. Raimi does it again. There's no way that anybody walking the face of this planet who's even vaguely aware of Spider-Man can fail to be blown away by these photos. No way. Sorry. If you look at Molina with the tentacles and you think "uncool" then you're just deluding yourself - period.

  • July 20, 2003, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Looks vicious & awesome!

    by JonQuixote

    I'm starting to soften my "Why the hell didn't they cast Stellan Skarsgaard?" stance.

  • July 20, 2003, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Two Words

    by TheSecondEvil

    HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 20, 2003, 7:13 a.m. CST

    lost the ice too

    by ChickenGeorgeVII

    This picture surprised me so much I actually dropped my drink! Now that's sayin' something!....And thus, Agh! My drink! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!

  • July 20, 2003, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Anyone else think the black trenchcoat is going to be what nerdb

    by ejcarter9

    I mean Come ON!

  • July 20, 2003, 8:29 a.m. CST

    I particularly like the mug of juice by Doc Ock's feet - that's

    by brokentusk

    Doc Ock actually looks pretty awesome I must say, mind you, they could have dressed him in an Oompa Loompa outfit and he'd still look better than The Green Goblin from the first film. The only problem I have though is the coat, it looks cool and all, but it still should be white - I know the brown-ish coat will look better on screen, but why change it?

  • July 20, 2003, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Wow, that is freaking cool!

    by Grey19

    Molina looks totally badass in that picture. I personaly quite like the black trenchcoat and that's coming from a huge fan of the comics, although I don't think he'll wear it all the time, probably just to keep the tentacles hidden. Do you think that he'll actually be refered to as Doc Ock at any point? I hope that in this one we get more of the wise cracking Spidey that I've always loved, I can understand why there wasn't a lot of that in the first one (after all his uncle had just been killed and it was kinda his fault) but by now he should be more settled into the hero role and be able to have a little fun with it. By the way is there any information on whether or not there is going to be a sequel to Daredevil or if there's gonna be X3 with Singer directing? Just wondering.

  • July 20, 2003, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Spidey 2, possible spidey 3

    by Hellsbuttmonkey

    I think Doc Ock looks awsome in those pics, dark and sinister, with some bad ass tenticles!!!! I think only Venom should be the bad guy in Spidey 3, would be too much of a screw around to fit Carnage in as well and having to explain both of them and fit them into one film. Instead of the Secret Wars story to introduce the Black Suit, why not use the story from the Animated Series, with the symbiote being trapped on an asteroid?? Personally tho, I think they will use the story from the recent Ultimate Spiderman comics and have the suit being a science experiment. I dont care how Venom turns up, JUST BRING ME VENOM!!!!!!!!

  • July 20, 2003, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Oh, I forgot - here's the link to the large "gorgeous" QuickTime

    by brokentusk

  • July 20, 2003, 9:05 a.m. CST

    it is a BROWN trenchcoat

    by pevenscrwn

    is there a group of fans more threatened by any top sci-fi/action/comic flick than Matrix fans? i keep waiting to see a post written by by one claiming that Orsen Wells stole from the Marix when he was making "Citizen Kane".

  • July 20, 2003, 9:08 a.m. CST

    That Spider-Man 2 scene may be just a little derivative, but it'

    by CoolDan989

    I'll go and see the movie just for that scene! Of course, I was going to see the movie anyway because I saw the first Spider-Man 4 times in theaters and it's the best comic book movie ever, yada yada yada...

  • July 20, 2003, 9:26 a.m. CST


    by Rcamacho2278

    seabiscut will RULE!!!

  • July 20, 2003, 9:33 a.m. CST

    BATMAN vs ALIENS vs PREDATOR feat. The Joker

    by zillabeast

    hip hip hooray!!!!!!!

  • July 20, 2003, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Do the tentacles sodomise any deer (or related fauna)?

    by DeadRapedDeer

    The Matrix Unloaded was better than this will ever be.

  • July 20, 2003, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Costumes right; but he's kinda thin

    by spider15

    Everyone knows Doc Ock is the comic books is, as Bart Simpson might say, "pretty chunkified." Still, if the heavy-ish Jack Nicholson could pull off the Joker, who of course looks anorexic in the comics, this should work too. btw: have we lost the war on the title issue? It's DEFINITELY hitting theaters next summer with "Spider-Man 2" on the marquee? Can't win 'em all, I suppose.

  • July 20, 2003, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Always Something For You To Complain About, Isn't There?

    by fantasticx disappoints me time and time again to read these talkbacks and see people react to a product that looks quite cool with nagging details like "his coat is black and not white and I like it white wwaaaaaaa". You read this site, you should have a general idea of how the business works by now...and there's no way in hell that an adaptation is going to make it through Hollywood completely faithful to it's source material. So it's a darker coat...I'm sure he's in the white coat at some point in the movie but then he realizes that he's meant to look menacing. Just deal with it.

  • July 20, 2003, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Trench Coat

    by clj124

    I have been reading Spiderman for quite some time, longer than some of the posters on this board. The trench coat is a minor adustment that has been made to the overall product. If you want to complain about changes that have been made to a character look at Electro on that new animated series. Those changes were far more than minor tweaks. The trench coat was most likely used because it could hide what ever was controling the arms better than the white lab coat. Do not forget Sam Ramni did not want to use CGI for arms. Just my opinion. Now stop complaining and go kiss a girl, or move out of your parents basement!

  • July 20, 2003, 11:54 a.m. CST

    White Coat

    by Shaw

    Don't forget if and when Doc Connor rears his ugly head he'll most likely be wearing a white lab coat. Why does it matter anyways, it looks cool, we should be happy with that.

  • July 20, 2003, 12:06 p.m. CST

    I hope it blows aways the first cause the first one was WEAK

    by Jon E Cin

  • July 20, 2003, 12:11 p.m. CST


    by shadoman

    ...WAAAHHHH!! Doc Ock's wearing a brown coat!... sob.... but, no-one will know he's a scientist!..WAAHHHH.......

  • July 20, 2003, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Meet the Press

    by Shaw

    Anyone see Meet the Press this morning? While defending U.S. foreign policy in Iraq Paul Bremmer (the U.S. Administrator there) argued that "with great power comes great resonsibility." Its about time we started taking foreign policy cues from Stan Lee.

  • July 20, 2003, 12:32 p.m. CST


    by stlfilmwire

    Peter learning his Spidey skills and becoming Spiderman was good. But it was stupid that the Green Goblin and Spidey become hero and bad guy in what seems to be the exact same week. It is also silly how Osborne takes a liking to Peter and it's extra stupid how a scientist would go over to some old lady's house to eat Thanksgiving. I hope they don't make similar mistakes... but they will. The animated spidey looked terrible. They need to make more of the fight scenes and web swinging scenes take place at night. I didn't like Daredevil, but atleast they were smart and masked the poor animation with shadows.

  • July 20, 2003, 12:50 p.m. CST


    by Goon Bighead

    Molina looks cool as hell. Period.

  • July 20, 2003, 12:52 p.m. CST

    how does doc ock get that way in the first place?

    by Toe Jam

    i've always been a fan, but not really a reader, of spider-man and i've always known of doc ock, but what is his origin story in the movie? i just don't see how the fuck someone gets mechanical tentacles fused to his or her spine. unless, of course, they go to duke university for a heart transplant.

  • July 20, 2003, 12:55 p.m. CST

    doc's real or cgi.

    by gypsyshaman

    for the record, the tentacles that are seen in the new teaser from sony are mostly the puppets made by Steve Johnson's EdgeFX, and they look damn amazing. Johnson has always done exceptional work, and his attention to detail is unparalleled. im sure some of that scene was cgi, but from my sources its a whole lotta animatronic puppets.....i heard they have like 20 puppeteers who help bring ock to life! johnson's crew and the imageworks guys have pulled off a truly amazing character...i cant wait to see more! more to come if i hear about it! comic-con was great! lates!

  • July 20, 2003, 12:56 p.m. CST

    another year, more lame comic book adaptations

    by beamish13

    am I the only one here that thought that Spidey 1 has one of the lamest endings in recent memory (along with MulholLAND Drive)? plus, the costumes sucked.

  • July 20, 2003, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Throw Me The Idol!!!

    by Shaw

    There is no time to argue senor.

  • July 20, 2003, 1:22 p.m. CST

    JESUS!!! Now THAT'S what I call "ULTIMATE" Spider-Man!

    by Uncle Sam

    Fuck that boring Brian Michael Bendis crap. Those tentacles rule like few things have ruled before! Can you even IMAGINE what Raimi will do with VENOM and CARNAGE in Spidey 3?!

  • July 20, 2003, 1:22 p.m. CST

    JESUS!!! Now THAT'S what I call "ULTIMATE" Spider-Man!

    by Uncle Sam

    Fuck that boring Brian Michael Bendis crap. Those tentacles rule like few things have ruled before! Can you even IMAGINE what Raimi will do with VENOM and CARNAGE in Spidey 3?!

  • July 20, 2003, 1:26 p.m. CST


    by 007-11

    That looks even better than I thought it would!

  • July 20, 2003, 1:33 p.m. CST

    NO 0R6AN1C TR3NCHC04TS!!!

    by darth_testine

    Pix look awesome. Molina is an incredible actor. Can't wait.

  • July 20, 2003, 1:41 p.m. CST

    White coats, brown coats - doesn't really matter, the coat isn't

    by brokentusk

    There really isn't any need to hate Doc Ock's look, it's not over the top, corny or fake-looking (like the Green Goblin costume) and he actually looks like he's really pissed off, which is always good. I don't think he looks like a cross between Neo and a Sentinel (even though the idea is hilarious if not awkward), bare in mind that even in the comic books he wears sun glasses and a coat. Granted, in the comics it was a white lab coat (if I remember correctly) and I don't know the reason why they felt they had to change the coat's colour, but that REALLY doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things - the point is: he looks cool. Plus there's the fact that I doubt this guy wears the same coat every day. How many scientists do you know who wear their white lab coats while standing on top of buildings (or wherever he is), or even in public? I'm hoping this time Raimi goes for a much darker tone than the first movie and includes Spidey's comic jibes as he's fighting the villian. White coat or no white coat - this character's design is awesome and the main thing we should be focusing on is the tentacles, which are perfect. I am now going to kiss a girl.

  • July 20, 2003, 1:43 p.m. CST

    spider-man was a staggering example of total filmmaking incompet

    by Jack D. Ripper

    but I'll be damned if this Doc Ock pic isn't the coolest fucking thing I've seen in awhile. I just may have to give Spider-Man 2 a chance. i mean LOOK AT IT IT'S FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!

  • July 20, 2003, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Reason for the trenchcoat - to hide tentacles?

    by devil goat

  • July 20, 2003, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by shadoman

    let it go, man, just let it go....... (There is no arguing with the feeble-minded, if it is not organic web-shooters its a black guy playing Wilson Fisk, or the inclusion of 'Hulk' dogs, or the same actors being used in 'El Mariachi3', or a 3hr movie being split into 2, or a candy-ass, nancy boy playing the Punisher...... OK, scratch that last one, that was fucked up! But you get my drift?)

  • July 20, 2003, 1:56 p.m. CST

    What we have here...

    by sirlaughsalot85 grown-up Harry Potter with a Matrix coat on and Sentinel-style tentacles coming out of his back. What an original concept this Doc Ock is. It would be interesting if he looked menacing but he doesn't. He's a skinny geek with four metal arms. If they wanted to go for some accuracy they could've gotten a guy with bigger build, this guy looks like he always had to give his lunch money to the bully at school.

  • July 20, 2003, 1:59 p.m. CST

    The Glasses

    by Shaw

    In the comics Doc Ock's glasses had a more square frame. What's up with this aerodynamic stylized eyewear? What a load of crap. I'm so not seeing it now.

  • July 20, 2003, 2:37 p.m. CST

    ARGH! Have to wait another YEAR! And shut up about the coat al

    by Johnny Ahab

    I'm thrilled! Can't wait! Molina is an INCREDIBLE actor, and instead of everyone bitching about the color of the coat and that the tentacles look too Matrix-y, can we thank Raimi & Laura Ziskin for picking stellar actors like Dafoe & Molina and NOT FREAKIN' MOVIE STARS for the cast?? And I'm tired of people shitting on the first movie. It's not perfect, but it did so many things well (especially in the first hour) that I'm willing to forgive it (ESPECIALLY in the wake of the big action shitfest movies of this summer). I'm very optimistic about Spidey 2, and will just try to shut all you naysayers out. My only request: MORE J.J.J.!!! J.K. Simmons is just too damn brilliant as Jameson, and I hope he figures in more this time around. And I'll say it again for the inevitable Spidey 3: BEN KINGSLEY IS THE VULTURE!!! Nuff said.

  • July 20, 2003, 2:39 p.m. CST


    by screenplaywriter

    I thought of maybe he would've had a white lab coat, but who knows maybe they'll throw it in. This looks awesome though, I thought Molina would not pull this off, but he does spectacularly. Alfred Molina IS Doc Ock. "SPIDER-MAN 2" is going to be a great movie! And the scene description sounds absolutely fantastic, better than most of these other superhero movies.

  • July 20, 2003, 2:49 p.m. CST

    You guys should buy the complete run of the Ultimate Spier-man

    by JUSTICE41

    Because that version of Doc Ock and Spiderman is what is being used for the Movies. I would say the Lizard is going to be the next villian. They aren't going to use the new villians. Only little kids know who they are, their going for the classics baby. Lizard, Doc Ock ,Vulture, Electro, Sand man, Kraven the Hunter. Just check out the Utimate Spiderman and see how close to the movies they are. Makes yu kinda wonder if the studios are in cohoots with Marvel.

  • July 20, 2003, 2:54 p.m. CST

    holy shit!! Louis Theroux is Doc Ock!!!!

    by DukeDeMondo

    Wow!!! I didn't think Louis would do anything as cool as that time he tried to be a porn star, but here he is in Spiderman 2!!!! Wow!!! And whats this i hear about Ruby Wax as Catwoman!!! Shit!!! I can't wait for this!!! Yes. he looks very, very, very cool.

  • I sat through that 'Spiderman 2' clip at Comic con yesterday, and nearly peed down my fucking leg, IT SO FUCKING KICKED ASS AND BALLS. After last summer's Spiderman, I swore I wouldn't sit through another, but fuuuuck, I'm gonna have ta see this one, damnit....

  • July 20, 2003, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Just for the record...

    by Saluki

    ... I'm in line July 2nd for this one. Sexcellent.

  • July 20, 2003, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Damn that IS Louis Theroux!

    by JacksonsBane

    So sweet talkin' Louis persuaded Sony to let him be in the poster instead of Molina. Damn that silver tongued nerd.

  • July 20, 2003, 3:38 p.m. CST

    OK, here we go...

    by Terry_1978

    Very nice job of getting the physical look of Doctor Octopus down...not a very physically fit fellow, due to his tentacles getting all the exercise as it were...I don't mind the trenchcoat right now, as they may give Doc Ock his form fitting suit orange and green suit later on in the flick, ya never know....what was his purpose for donning that outfit anyway?

  • July 20, 2003, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Spiderman 3

    by johne5

    i know that they are introducing Dr.Connors in Spiderman 2 but I think that they should have Harry Osborn discover the Spiderman suit in Peter's room just like in the comics. At that point he realizes that the "only family he has left" was the one that "murdered" his father. He then somehow finds the goblin suit and glider and becomes the next Green Goblin, setting up The second Green Goblin for Spiderman 3 !!!! Oh yeah Karl Malone does suck.

  • July 20, 2003, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Yes... it's Lou Theroux alright.

    by stlfilmwire

    Molina doesn't like still photography. He thinks it's far different than acting... so he tries to avoid it as much as possible. Can't blame the guy. I'm sure he wasn't being a Diva or anything... he's just insecure about his looks. Since Louis Theroux's profile had been often confused with Molinas, Grant Curtis went ahead and said "What the hell." On the early teaser stills, it will be Theroux... but I'm sure they'll get Molina on the final poster.

  • July 20, 2003, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Spidey 2: whats the title? spidey united? spidey returns?

    by scarletspyder

    Doc ock looks very cool..granted too much of a look a like to a squidy from matrix..but some people have a little too much imagination if they think he's the product of a neo/squidy crossbreeding product (your probably thinking about your siblings in the same way....very sick). As to the title: has there been anymore positive titles been announced. Spidey Lives, etc sucks!!! and Spidey 2 with a possible title is a bad idea (that was my only quible with x-men 2. My final word: who the hell brought up Batman movies!!!! the comparisons to the batman trilogy (yes trilogy. batman and robin should not exist. every piece of evidence of it existence should be wiped of this earth) to spidey is a terrible comparison and that person should be shot. Batman vs predator vs aliens. who came up with that idea..two of the above absolutley..people with actual decent sized brains will no which ones will actually be possible. the combination of the three maybe stretching it in the comic books, never mind the big screen. until Bruce cambell rights spideys lines in the next film (which he should as he has that kind of humor sadly needed in the first film i'm going be sceptic as to is success over the first film. my bet for spidey 3 villian: sinister 6. kill 6 birds in one movie, as a franchise past 4 movies with the same cast will be pushing fans and critics a like. to those who disagree with any of the above: bring it on Hormell Chili!!!!!!!!!

  • July 20, 2003, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Molina's hair

    by mascan

    Given Alfred Molina's penchant for wierd hair, I thought he would have taken Doc Ock's Beatle-style do from the comics. Aside from that, it looks kick-ass!

  • July 20, 2003, 4:47 p.m. CST

    I absolutely love the Doctor's look, can't wait for Spiderman 2,

    by user id indeed!

    If that trenchcoat is meant to hide his tentacles, it doesn't seem to be doing a very good job.

  • July 20, 2003, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Is it just me?

    by canewboy

    Or does that poster look like Al Pacino in scarface with some fanboy tentacles drawn in...I dunno...maybe I'm just tired...

  • July 20, 2003, 5:04 p.m. CST

    This will be better than the first

    by UberSpectre

    You can just sense it I think... This won't have all the pointless set up of Parker trying to get his mack on and etc. I did like the first one a lot its better then most movies lately and its still better then the 2 X-Men movies amd Daredevil... Doc Ock looks kick ass too... Another thing I wanted to mention was someone brought up Ben Kingsley, I think he would be great as the Vulture when the guy is old... I doubt they will ever make a movie with that character they will most likely do Venom and Carnage... I hate Daredevil for stealing the King Pin because if he were in a Spider man movie they would have given that character more screen time dammit

  • July 20, 2003, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Why They'll Never Do The Lizard

    by Stormin

    Sure, they may have Doc Connors in this movie, but that doesn't mean that the Lizard will ever be seen on film. His origin is the exact same as Green Goblin and Doc Ock, and I think Riami would only get away with repeating the scientist testing on himself and going evil origin once. So the only way we'll be seeing the Lizard in a Spidy sequel would be with an altered origin, or reviewers would howl for blood. And whoever this Karl Malone is, I'm sure he is a donkey sucker. I mean, just look at the name.

  • July 20, 2003, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Possible casting ideas for "SPIDER-MAN 3"

    by screenplaywriter

    Venom-Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, or Lou Firrigno. I mean come on he was reduced to a minor cameo with "THE HULK" I think we need to see this guy do some heavy damage. Either these two guys or Vin Diesel. Carnage-Sam Rockwell Lizard-My choices were Jeremy Irons (please don't hate me for saying that) or some skinny shrimpy guy. Ben Kingsley-Vulture nuff said. Mysterio-Not sure. The Rhino-Brock Lesnar. HobGoblin-Mark Hamill just as the voice. Electro-I dunno.

  • July 20, 2003, 5:33 p.m. CST

    And in my opinion the new "SPIDER-MAN" comic book series ruins t

    by screenplaywriter

    The Rhino-Made it a robotic suit. The Green Goblin-Designed him as like a green devil. Venom-A science experiment gone wrong. Come on people! Stay with the original material! Now, "SPIDER-MAN" the animated series on FOX that stayed true the comics and this new on MTV somewhat stays true to the comics.

  • July 20, 2003, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Doc Ock......

    by webhead66us

    This is for all of you generation x, still in diapers comic fans.........GET A LIFE !! To write in whining about Ock's trenchcoat is immature and a little pathetic. If you'd done even a little research you would know that Dr. Octopus never wore a white lab coat,....that was Dr. Conners (aka the Lizard) Ock traditionally wore a green and orange outfit. I've been a fan and collecter for over 2 decades now and personally I think Molina looks great ! The only thing I'd hope they will do is to make Ock as sinister and ruthless as he was in the comics. It pains me to see the young people of this day and age so concerned with such trivial things. How about being pissed that the Goblin looked like a power ranger reject, or that they made Kingpin a black man? Regardless of your whining, I think Spider-man 2 is gonna rock ! Doctor Octopus is by far one of Spidey's most deadliest enemies.......I'm looking forward to it. 'Nuff said !!

  • July 20, 2003, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Re: the black trenchcoat ...

    by ChaseSequence

    I don't mind it, but I'm hoping -- and kind of expecting -- that they did that partly to obscure the arms a bit ... I mean, if they're permanently attached to him (as in the comics), he MIGHT actually want to walk around in a trenchcoat to hide them. (I hope I didn't just say something stupid; I didn't read the article, because I didn't want the story to be spoiled -- I just wanted to see the Doc, and I'm happy.)

  • July 20, 2003, 5:41 p.m. CST

    bitch bitch bitch

    by milesmonroe

    the fact is, regardless of how much people complain about this or that... you're all going to be pissing on yourselves to see this movie. also, sony owns you. nerds.

  • July 20, 2003, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Kingpin was fine in "DAREDEVIL" and geeks need to quit whining a

    by screenplaywriter

    Kingpin was fine in "DAREDEVIL" the main problem was that you guys bitched about him not being white and about Mark Steve Johnson. He did the movie fine, the only problem was it was too short. If a bigger story were to develop then it would been ranked better with "BATMAN", "SPIDER-MAN", and "SUPERMAN". Doc Ock's coat is probably just something he is going to wear while walking down the street. I'm sure Raimi will give him the orange and green armored suit, if not then he'll give him the scientist lab suit. And Green Goblin did not look like a Power Rangers reject. It looked fine. It looked sinister. Sure, they could've colored coated some purple on the helmet to make it more "comic-booky" and "true" to the comics, but I think the suit was more realer. So, all you geeks quit bitching about things and enjoy the movies and the people who make them.

  • July 20, 2003, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Doc Ock doffs a leather trenchcoat and fights terrorists in a ho

    by GypsyTRobot

    Hey, Alfred Molina is almost as Doc Ockey as Elton John. Today I applaud the casting choices of the Big Casting God in the Sky.

  • July 20, 2003, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Too bad Roy Orbison is dead.....

    by FifthDream

    ...He would have made the best Doctor Octopus.....

  • July 20, 2003, 7:04 p.m. CST

    yessssssss i have been waiting a long time to see a pic of doc o

    by jon-e-blaze

  • July 20, 2003, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Good Grief

    by Ribbons

    Some people, it seems, will never allow themselves to be complacent. His look sucks because he's wearing black leather instead of a white, tatty labcoat? Yeah, because in the real world, you'd never be able to justify a guy putting on a black leather jacket. Say what you will about how the stereotypical mad scientist look speaks to you, but this look is fine. Anyone who thinks this picture foretells a bad movie is completely anal.

  • July 20, 2003, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Little, four-eyed, whiney, geeky-ass fanboys need to shut the he

    by Roach666

    Number one, you are NOT true fans, because if you were, you would completely disregard the color of Doc Ock's coat, and focus on what really matters, and that is Molina's performance, and his ability to actually come through and deliver the way all the TRUE fans know he will! Secondly, anyone who did not like Spider-Man either - A. Has no soul, B. is a complete and utter RETARD, who should be locked in a home, away from NORMAL people, or C. All of the above. Either way, you're a complete ass, and should be treated as such.

  • July 20, 2003, 8:43 p.m. CST

    As long as we're on the subject of defending movies

    by Ribbons

    Enough with the smarmy Green Goblin insults. Honestly, it's really annoying. I almost wish I could reach through the computer and bitch-slap some of you. People have to accept the fact that comic books don't have as many boundaries as movies do. Plunking a quasi-medieval monster (a la Alex Ross's interpretation) isn't as seamless as it probably appears to be in your imagination. No, it's not a perfect film, and yes, people have a right to get worked up over certain changes, but this isn't even like the Punisher's hair color. While it's in a sense more prominent than that, it's also harder to work into the movie. Really, just think about it for a second. The whole movie would have needed an overhaul, and with that you risk losing certain scenes that are more important to the story than how high the Green Goblin's costume ranks on AngryTalkbacker999's jizz-o-meter. I don't say this for the sake of being contemptible, but in defense of the people who actually did work on this project. ******* On a different note, I am kind of wondering whether or not the audience is going to get sick of lab experiments gone wrong (all of them in New York) creating an assembly line of supervillains. Green Goblin, Octavius, The Lizard, and possibly Venom (or Carnage if New Line holds out) would all most likely be test tube babies. Greek tragedy, meet frying pan.

  • July 20, 2003, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Holy monkey crap!

    by Devil'sOwn

    Doc Ock looks cool. I find it hard to fathom how miserable some people are out there that they would start fussing based soley on a preliminary image. I'm an old school comic book fan, and always labored under the assumption that people who posted here were fairly bright fans, but based on what I read here lately a lot of these folks are either chronic whiners, or just out-and-out dumbasses. Sorrow, sorrow. I won't waste time stating what some other posters have more than eloquently said. We've all had to deal with the movie-izing of our favorite characters. Imagine my distress at seeing my idol Wolverine played by some tall, pretty guy. But, dammit, they got the job done. I personally don't think anyone would want to see too literal a translation of comic to screen. That would look very... gay. Which is fine if gay is what your aiming for, but in order for these movies to be anything more than camp, cult or kitsch, dammit, you have to to be willing to go with it, trust in these well-paid, pseudo-intelligent professionals to bring this unusual imagery to the screen. More often than not, over the past few years they've been pretty good at it. I don't pretend to know how good this movie will be. It'd be one of the nicer things in life if they could produce a healthy, successful franchise, something that you could look back on in a few years and say, "Y'know, I was very entertained/moved/pleased with the Spider-Man series." It can be done. But some o' you tards gotta get used to the fact that Joe Cinema ain't gonna want to see a dumpy scientist in an olive-green jumpsuit. Redundant as it sounds, the bar has been raised by movies like The Matrix. I'm pretty damn sure there's no going back to technicolor tights.

  • July 20, 2003, 9:20 p.m. CST

    And ANOTHER thing that pisses me off. . . .

    by Roach666

    . . .all the comparisons of Doc Ock's tentacles to the Sentinel's in The Matrix, as if Sentinel's were the first and ONLY things to have mechanical, squid-like tentacles. Come on! GET OVER THE COSTUME! P.S. Everyone might have a right to bitch about subtle changes in the costume, but that doesn't relieve them from being labeled as a total jerk-off, at least not while I'm around. "I'm an asshole, and I'm proud of it." -Roach, a TRUE fan.

  • July 20, 2003, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Hellboy info...

    by vorpalbuni

    Just in case anyone else is still interested, Mike Mignola came out Saturday afternoon to the Con to discuss the HELLBOY film still in production, He didn't really have any news, as they are still in production in Prague, but he did show a five minute behind the scenes clip and it looked pretty good, if a little cheesy, He confessed it might not capture the full feeling yet, but that's only because they haven't finished production or begun post-production work yet. He is involved in every aspect, from pre-production and hopes to follow it through post. He's been working with director on this for 7 years, and seems very pleased with every aspect of the film adaptation. Other comic-con news: Dave McKean and Neil Gaiman just wrapped then production on MIRRORMASK, a really cool looking fable for the Jim Henson company in the tradition of THE DARK CRYSTAL and LABRYNTH (sp?). Spike & Mike's Sick and Twisted festival has a bunch of new cartoons, and surprisingly many of them are actually funny and cringe-worthy in a good way.

  • July 20, 2003, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Better... they're getting there

    by TheWoodMan

    Better than the Mecha Goblin from the first movie. He looked like a Micronaut... which would've been fine if they'd been doing a Micronauts movie, but they weren't. I was afraid they'd go with the green & yellow battle-armored action figure style for the Doctor, but maybe they're calming down a little bit (or maybe Steve Ditko tracked down Raimi and gave him a good bitch-slappin'). At this rate, there's hope that we'll get a nice, basic old-school Lizard in Spider-Man 3 (a seven-foot tall gecko in a lab coat and purple pants... NOT the huge, naked iguana-man seen in MTV's "Spider-Man: The Legend of Zelda"). Remember the lesson that the producers of "(The) Hulk" learned the hard way: REVISIONISM BAD, FAITHFULNESS TO SOURCE MATERIAL GOOD.

  • July 20, 2003, 10:14 p.m. CST

    what a collection of assholes!!

    by hanktallica

    IT IS A BROWN TRENCHCOAT. and that is neither interesting or important. it is a good interpretaion of the doc ock character...the best i can imagine for film, judging by these few pictures. the first film(and yes, i do mean film...)was fantastic and the new one will be wonderful. i've noticed how so many people had a problem with the green goblin costume. GET OVER IT. pay attention to the adaptation. it is a military design. would you prefer spandex which never looks good on film? think back to the batman movie of the sixties...a terrible costume when worn by an actor, yet fear inspiring in print. case in point:full adaptaion is impossible, for the simple reason that alot of times, people that have an ability to act, just do not look good or menacing in skin tight spandex. thank you.

  • July 20, 2003, 10:25 p.m. CST

    How Come There's Only 4 Arms?

    by AlphaAlfa

    4 Arms plus two of octavius's gives 6... Aren't octopi suppose to have 8 arms?

  • July 20, 2003, 10:35 p.m. CST

    HULK SMASH puny Octopus nerdboy trying to look like Neo in stupi

    by Moriarity Report

    Hopefully Raimi saw HULK, a real superhero movie, and realized that this is how he wanted to and should have done Spider-man. I won't be able to sit thru another Spider-man done as a movie of the week like the first one was. The Garbage Pail Kids movie had better direction and more interesting special effects. Not that it was bad, it was just so mediocre. HULK at least took some chances with the material, and it was really, really weird. But it really worked because the effects were great and because of the direction! It was a comic book brought to life! Exactly how I thought Raimi would film Spider-man! All those split screens and angles and weird shit coming out of nowhere. And as for the Matrix influence, that's fine, I'd much rather have them copy the Matrix's fx than use the same unimaginative stuff in SPider-One. If they were going to do a Matrix rip off though they should have made the villain Mysterio "a magical, mysteria, when ya get that feelin, better start believin!" Fans should be thankful for Mollina though just because he's nto a big star that everyone knows like Dafoe was. Dafoe gave a really good performance but people should have been really creeped out by the Goblin, but it was just Dafoe *playing* the Goblin. He's too well known. A similar thing happened with Nolte and HULK except Nolte really did a poor job and was just miscast completley.

  • July 20, 2003, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Good Report Quint & A Request

    by Old Darth

    Good stuff Quint! Really looking to seeing Doc Ock in action + Spidey moving around with full command of his abilities. BTW - throw us a bone in regards to ROTK. Give us a timetable for the remainder of your reports. How many are there going to be and how regular are they going to be? I guess you are going to drag them out till December eh.

  • July 20, 2003, 10:56 p.m. CST

    This just in...Venom Symbiote to be played by...Keanu Reeves hai

    by Moriarity Report

    The Alien Costume is something that they really shouldn't change because it really negates the whole point of Venom in the first place if they alter the origin. The costume needs to attatch itself to Peter first so it can absorb his powers, and then get pissed off when Peter ditches it. It then finds Brock and endows him with Peter's powers and bulging penis. It's a Spider-Man vs Spider-Man story. I mean, that's where these things always go anyway. Superman III was Superman vs Superman, Wolverine fought Mystique as Wolverine in the first X-Men movie, and Picard fought himself in Star Trek 10. The idea thing would be for Peter to aquire and abandon the costume in Spidey 3 and then have Venom in Spidey 4. This would echo the brilliant way they handled Zod and co. in Superman I and II. And to have Spidey fight in the black costume in 3 would be a great way to sell more Spidey action figures!! It's certainly a better idea than the costumes they did for Batman Forever and B&R for no apparent reason. They also need to do a "whodunnit" Hobgoblin story involving Harry as one of the possible suspects. That's the only way to do it. I mean, I don't know why they'd just do the Green Goblin II story instead of doing the Hobby story instead. This could be Spidey V and it could bring things full circle from the first film nicely.

  • July 20, 2003, 11:08 p.m. CST

    I think it looks unrealistic.

    by Grendel's Mom

    I haven't read all of the talkback, but I think I am the only one who thinks it looks stupid and totally unrealistic. The man must be carrying over a hundred and fifty pounds of metal from the center of his back. His center of gravity should be completely off. He could never stand up, never mind straight.

  • July 20, 2003, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Spidey doesn't need a puter glitch to kick Doc Ock's butt, but t

    by JasonDkEldar

    Alfa .. Eight limbs.. two arms, two LEGS, and four tentacles.. As for you folks calling mechanical tentacles "Sentinel-style"?? This is getting old guys .. The X-Men going black leather was so-so, but dark clothes for a villain, killing the mid-20th-Century sterotype for someone interested in science always wearing a labcoat, even on the street?? All for it .. Doesn;t matter what color it was, is, or will be, as far as the costume derivation goes, since Neo was not the first action star to don black leather trench-wear, just the first one TRL-worshipping fanboys ever were exposed to. The look was meant to signify retro-hip, as opposed to the retro-square of the puter agents, suupllanted by the puter assassins in grey trenchcoats in this flick. Sorry for you guys if the sequel to what you believe to be the only sci-fi movie ever made didn;t pan out, but with your blind support, Silver will sell you out in a couple years and make more bad product, just like Marvel was prepared to do when the tepid receptions of the original Punisher film seemed to support the geek in charge's opinion that comic fans just weren;t that important to the success of the movies based on the comics themselves. This particular form of subgenius logic leads to the possibility of Marvel really ending up only using its characters for product-tie-in marketing, as in commercials and ad copy for kids' products.(THIS WAS THE PLAN BY the MARVEL CEO, to abandon comic production in its traditional sense and depend on merchandising revenue for the characters to support the company.) DC's former Batman writers/editors alleged that people on the streets were legitimately upset that Robin was axed in the 80's, and that the buying customers meant less than the people on the streets who grew up on the pathetic show and bad comics code stories of the 60's and 70's that nearly killed DC. Sorry, but this argument about people on the street knowing more about what is better for the stories almost works based on the reactions from this board over a frigging COAT. This Shatner-diss inspiring nitpicking is what costs you whatever credibility you gain with other people on the subject of the genres we geeks claim to love best. It is not just comics, sci-fi, and fantasy fans that do this though. Try reading several issues of scholar journals featuring different researchers discussing the same event or subject. Even better read works by differing disciplines regarding particulat events or subjects. Bickering is universal, but our much-loved genres suffer because of the stigma that we pay attention to such small detail because we get so absorbed in the things we enjoy. What makes it worse are people who THINK they are geek enough to have a point and then miss the gist of reality as everyone knows it. The Matix was one movie, with many genres and oconventions combined, making it unique in the sense that it synthesized myths and ideas and modern legend to thee point that the result blended well. This is too often a one-time thing however, and those of you waiting for lightning to strike again in this first sequel should remember that for every Blair Witch, there was a Book of Shadows, for very Exorcist there was an Exorcist II:The Heretic. Real trilogies show that they are trilogies in that while each book may resolve, the books together tell a story. Perhaps there will be an edit that comes out with the Special Edition DVD of Reloaded that will be like a reboot of the story, tightening up its flow and giving people abetter sense of what they wanted to accom;lish. As for Doc Ock, don't worry about whether he will come off like Poison Ivy or Bane or Mr Freeze, but worry that he will be badly lit or shot like GG was in the first film, a cinematography and final print choice that was the best compromise considering the time-frame they worked with. I hope with the extra time available with this film that the tweas neeeded to the Spidey motions and lighting will be resolved. Sam Raimi, when not rushed and aloowed to trust his own judgments generally comes in under budget, doing amazing things with the moeny he spent. Personally I think they should go Hobgoblin with Harry Osborn, since Green Goblin's suit drew such fiery ire.

  • July 20, 2003, 11:46 p.m. CST

    The trenchcoat? What about the tentacles?

    by FifthDream

    I'm so used to seeing comic characters upholstered in leather that the trenchcoat didn't even phase me. What did bother me a bit though is the look of the tentacles. Why couldn't they just be cylindrical like in the comics? I'm surprised others haven't said anything about that. I don't mind some changes from paper to film, but unnecessary changes do annoy me. If you're creating something for film that doesn't exist in "real life", why can't it just be faithful to the comic?

  • July 20, 2003, 11:49 p.m. CST


    by gypsyshaman

  • July 20, 2003, 11:52 p.m. CST


    by gypsyshaman ahead of myself there....ummmm...realistic? we are talking about a human whose spine has been fused to a robot...we are talking about a guy who shoots webs out of his wrists and can stick to walls...we are talking about a guy who can get a great apartment in nyc on a photographers salary.....realism please...if i want realism ill go see winged migration....gimmie spidey and the ock guy.....

  • July 21, 2003, 12:01 a.m. CST

    the tentacle's shape

    by gypsyshaman

    from my sources....who i owe so much, say that they in fact DID try to do it originally as it was drawn, with the cylindrical tentical shape coming off of his sides...and they said it looked like silver dryer hose. so they decided to play with other shapes and came up with this one, kind of "pear shaped" and they made the claws much more dynamic instead of the little fingers from the comic....i understand your wanting to remain faithfull to the comics...but sometimes when you translate something literally, it isn't nearly as cool. just a thought. and as for a sense of balance and weight, c' sure they thought up some ultra lightweight metal or something for the tentacles! let your sense of realism go folks.....imagination is much more fun, as the designers of docock are trying to show us.

  • July 21, 2003, 12:04 a.m. CST

    One more thing: Organic Webbing.....

    by FifthDream

    That's one of the huge things that bugged me about the first movie: Why couldn't Spidey's webs made in web-shooters like the comic. I realized the other night that organic webbing would allow any one of these scientist super-villains to find a scrap of Petey's webbing and analyze it and (possibly) match up sone DNA.... But then again, i guess if they got a hold of Peter's DNA, they'd already be able to see the spider influence in it. ******** See what all the nitpicking has done to me?

  • July 21, 2003, 12:08 a.m. CST

    If it was real, I'd pee in my pants

    by pencil-man

    OK, my turn. All I can say is that When I looked at the Green Goblin long enough, I thought: "If I were young, I'd scare the hell from me." And those tentacles, GROOVY. -Now, about our American translation of this "literature". face it people, these are our Gods. If you knew Spidey 4 years ago, you'd know wat this is all about. "Finally!" I say, some cinema that is high energy and passionate about WHAT MAKES COOL- COOL. - And, finally; Sam Raimi: as soon as I realized his name and his movies i thought he was a good filmmaker. Hell, for a shit budget, even Darkman entertained my dad. It was WAAAY out there, but still had cool stuff- Payton Westlake getting blown through the air like a human fireball, "I'm learning to live with a lot of things.", forget that he HAS NO LIPS. Bruce Cambell as Final Shemp ties it all together for me. I GOT it. And it WAS COOL. - No Doubt S2 will be fun for me, time will tell if it is truly an American classic. Check my post on the Spider-Man review: Watch This Movie In Twenty Years.

  • July 21, 2003, 12:18 a.m. CST

    re: the tentacle's shape

    by FifthDream

    I re-read my post, and it sounds a lot like i'm complaining when i was actually just wondering out loud. But i got my answer. Thanks! **** I do realize that some things don't translate well to film, but every once in a while, as most of us do, i'm sure, i wonder what it would have been like if it WAS done the same as the comic. Honestly though, Octopus looks a lot cooler than i expected he would.

  • July 21, 2003, 12:40 a.m. CST

    by Guy Incognito2

  • July 21, 2003, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Balance & Weight (re: tentacles)

    by Guy Incognito2

    If you'll notice, in the poster, one of the tentacles is anchored to the ground supporting Doc Oc. A friend of mine is an animator on this show and says that lower two tentacles sometimes act as supports when Doc Oc is carrying heavy things. He says in some scenes, the tentacles actually do the walking and carry the brunt of the weight, otherwise his spine would snap. Sounds like Raimi has thought this problem through, guys, so stop your whining.

  • July 21, 2003, 12:55 a.m. CST


    by I Hate Movies

    My God, that man has a Hoover shop-vac growing out of his ass!

  • July 21, 2003, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Bitching about the coat

    by tbrosz

    I submit that all those complaining about the "inaccuracies" of this depiction of Dr. Octopus only be permitted to see a specially edited version containing a fat ugly guy jiggling around like warm Jello in a green and yellow spandex suit. With dryer hose tentacles, of course.

  • July 21, 2003, 1:37 a.m. CST


    by ShadowHawk2330

    this is fricken sweeeeet. i cant wait to see doc ock in action. as soon as i saw the pic i knew people were gonna complain about not wearing the white lab coat. give me a fricken break. i mean wat scientist or for that matter wat worker has his uniform on 24/7. an if u think about the scene they described dont u think cops would be lookin for a scientist with a WHITE lab coat on. i mean come on. of course he's gonna put on a dark trench coat to cover those tentacles an be all elusive. smart very smart. oh an evil too. eeeevil.

  • July 21, 2003, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Shaw, llac2, and everyone else....

    by Stilt-Man

    who is whining. You folks are going to be the coveted repeat viewers Sony adores when it comes to this movie. You are all going to see the film multiple times just to go on internet forums like this one to whine and get all nit-picky about the "flaws" you find with the film. You guys crack me will be the loudest complainers, but unlike me, who tends to only see a film once (even if I loved it), will make the bean-counters in Holywood VERY happy with your complaints about how the film sucks because they did this wrong, and this thing, and... Getting off on bitching about a film, a film that you will go out to view multiple times, makes you strange critters (most sane folks do not keep giving someone money to see something they loathe). Thanks for the chuckles. Enjoy The Week, Christopher H.

  • July 21, 2003, 2:56 a.m. CST

    im all for this being superior (in every way)

    by imageburn13

    cuz if they drop in another pop singer to do a concert that i didn't pay to see, again, i'll happily pass it off as the death of a potential franchise. god was that annoying.

  • July 21, 2003, 6:54 a.m. CST


    by Biko Salamar

    i wanna know about HP 3, Revolutions, Hellboy, Gothika...

  • July 21, 2003, 9:54 a.m. CST

    stlfilmwire's comments

    by MakeMineMarvel

    It's OK that you did not like Spider-man but your reasoning in the talkback earlier is totally whacked. Mr. Osbourne did not have Thanksgiving dinner at some old lady's house. It was at Peter and Harry's loft. It was Peter and Harry's first Thanksgiving in their own place and they both invited their only family. Seems perfectly normal to me. And Mr. Osbourne takes a liking to Peter because they are both into science while Norman's own son is not. As for Mr. Molina, I think he was a good choice and looks rather menacing in the poster.

  • Seriously. You will be totally blown away by this scene and it has everything you could possibly want. My only problem was with Molina's "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!" at the end, but everything else was pure fanboy goodness. If the rest of the movie is as good as this one scene, this could finally beat SUPERMAN as Best Comic Book Film...Ever.

  • July 21, 2003, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Don't complain just yet

    by Terry_1978

    This will most likely be a 2 hour plus flick, so a lot can happen during that time. Octavius could merely be using the black trenchcoat when he goes out incognito...he probably does wear the white lab coat whilst in his lab, and Spidey could bust in on him and they could battle it out, white coat and all. And after a few battles with the webhead, Ock may realize he needs to up his arsenal, such as with a green and orange armor suit, lest he run into him again. These are just things I would like to see happen if only for a second or two in the flick, but whose to say?

  • July 21, 2003, 10:36 a.m. CST


    by NormanOsborne

    No talk of Superman being the best comic book film ever. Superman spun the earth backwards and it turned back time. That scene alone makes it ineligible for the title of best comic movie ever.

  • July 21, 2003, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Y'know, I count myself among the "militant fanboys" & I must say

    by TheAFLACDuck

    Doc Ock is lookin' MIGHTY fine! AWESOME even, and yeah ... SCREW the assholes saying he's too "Matrix" ... He's got tentacles, He's got glasses, He's got the "larger framed" Alfred Molina bringing him to life ... he's nearly perfect! So Shaddap! You know you're going to watch it anyway!! I mean, I immediately thought the Green Goblin's costume was goofy and I LOVED the 1st Spider-Man movie (even GG) so this one's lookin' A-Ok.

  • July 21, 2003, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Go Tentacles Go!!! Reach Your Vertical Limit!!!!

    by General Idea

    That looks unbelievably badass. The coolness continues... What other actors are confirmed in Spidey 2?

  • July 21, 2003, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Doc Ock

    by DhaliClone

    Why does everyone always say "Matrix" when something looks similar? For God's sake, The Matrix didn't create slow-motion!TONS of movies used slow-motion before it! And that crappy Wing commander movie actually used that "bullet-time" effect first. The Matrix didn't invent black trenchcoats! When I was in high school, they had them! This kid always wore one!The Matrix didn't invent the idea of an all-powerful person! Superman, Spiderman, Jesus... just name a freakin' superhero, and bam, it's automatically relating to The Matrix. Don't think The Matrix revolutionized anything other than people's abilities to be so naive. Jesus, gimme a break with all this "Matrix" BS. Besides, the second one wasn't even that good.

  • July 21, 2003, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Better than Green Goblin

    by Guy Incognito2

    How the hell can you guys whine about this costume?! It's lightyears beyond the unholy horror that was the Green Goblin's suit in the first one. Has everyone forgotten how incredibly bad that was?

  • July 21, 2003, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Why does eveyone want to see the damn lizard so bad?

    by Nice Marmot

    There are so many other better villains out there. Also, I agree w/ everyone that is for the "introduce the black suit in part 3/Venom in part 4" idea. It's the only way to make it work. And I wouldn't want Carnage involved at all; too complex. Is there any word on how long Raimi will be on board? I don't want to see anyone come in and "Schumaker" everything up. Lastly, I'm sorry I can't contribute more to the embarassingly retarded trench coat debate.

  • July 21, 2003, 1:57 p.m. CST

    So, perhaps Matrix is replacing Blade Runner as the sci-fi refer

    by Trav McGee

    I can't properly express just how sick to death I've been for years upon years upon years, of every single science fiction movie that has even a handful of scenes in the rain, at night, being labeled as borrowing heavily in design from Blade Runner. Decades after Blade Runner. Sure, speaks to BR's impact that it remains a reference point (and it's one of my favorite movies of all time--sorry, "both" versions), but the sheer laziness of reviewers pointing it out anytime there's a downpour in a futuristic metropolis does a disservice to both films. Night, rain, urban, I guess that's all that's necessary to discuss to sum up a film's visuals. (Lazy bastards.) ...So, now it looks like "The Matrix" is going to be the trope trotted out daily for its "style" and "influence." Eh, whatever, not as huge a fan. But it's funny, how all one needs is a leather trenchcoat and shades to be labeled "Matrixy" these days. I wonder if that's going to annoy or inflate the Matrix junkies. All I know is, going by the M:Revolutions teaser there's a fight between Neo and Smith (1) downtown (2) at night (3) in the rain. The first Revolutions reviewer to reference Blade Runner will be getting a knock on their door soon after.

  • July 21, 2003, 2:13 p.m. CST


    by milesmonroe

    the matrix just ripped off himmler.

  • July 21, 2003, 3 p.m. CST


    by Karl Childers

    It can't get anymore perfect than that. Fuck all of the negative-posters.

  • July 21, 2003, 3:19 p.m. CST


    by juxtapoze

  • July 21, 2003, 5:01 p.m. CST


    by Canis

    1 - Doctor Octopus in the comics looked like a total twat. 2 - Alfred Molina as Doctor Octopus in the banner looked fantastic (or would you prefer a fat guy in a green leotard?) 3 - Matrix was awesome, Matrix Reloaded was shit, the 3rd film may still be very good.

  • July 21, 2003, 7:46 p.m. CST

    You cock suckers always bitchin'

    by super Cucaracha

    bitchin about the fucking trench coat. The picture looks the shit, at least it looks better than the green goblin. Live life and start jerking off to porn, not to your fucking comics...that's a start. Better yet, get laid you beeatches.

  • July 21, 2003, 9:02 p.m. CST


    by super Cucaracha

    Matrix fans bitchin' about the tentacles is freaking ridiculous. Spiderman was created before the Matrix movies...I know it is not a very good argument but c'mon. Matrix 1 was good, Matrix Shitloaded sucked...too much CGI bullshit. Off topic, Stallone would have been a better Punisher. I am out you beeatches.

  • July 21, 2003, 9:09 p.m. CST

    I'm VERY impressed with the "tentacle design" ... the realizatio

    by JDanielP

    How lucky you movie industry people can be ... to have the opportunity ... just to HAVE the freakin' OPPORTUNITY to do what you do. - - I've dreamed of making fantasy films ALL my life, ... to make those movies (that I saw) in my mind's eye, when I'd read my favorite comic books as a child. - - But ... you know what's worse than THAT slow torture? Choosing to be "realistic" when you're young, deciding to pursue a comic book career as an artist, ultimately getting turned down time and time again despite letters of encouraging words, meeting the V.President of a MAJOR comic book publisher whom likes your work but doesn't offer you a job, finally getting fed up with the industry and giving up ... and then deciding to work a dead-end job the rest of your life. - - I want to be passionate about what I do, for a living, for a change.

  • July 21, 2003, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Ebonic Plague, I'm softening my stance

    by Ribbons

    You're right, there should be a tolerance for those vocing dissent. All the same, some of you folks have to learn when to pick your battles. While it's all well and good to implore us to put ourselves in your shoes, it's also prudent that people learn to put themselves in the filmmakers' shoes. While a number of talkbackers can make more eloquent criticisms about their misgivings with Molina's appearance (i.e. noticing a trend of leather-clad miscreants, thinking the look of the tentacles are a hard sell), there are others who, at the opposite end of the spectrum from those who decide everything about it rocks, overcompensate for their anxiety by declaring that everything about it sucks (ignorance works both ways, you know). Being relentlessly bitchy is not as effective as you think it is, and in fact may cheapen any dissent that's actually been earned by larger mistakes than this. And, in closing, I know that talkbacks are the places where former rhetoric students go to die, but misconstruing Roach666's comments like that was just low, man. If you're gonna get into that kind of logic, then don't imply that Spidey 2 (*might or might not be*) short on character development right before you proclaim that a leather jacket on a poster is not indicative of a movie's quality.

  • July 22, 2003, 12:08 a.m. CST

    If You Feel Like An Enemy, Follow Me!

    by We_Are_Legion

    i was at the comic con with my fellow nerds and geeks. man doc oc looks awesome!!!to those who are complaining about the trenchcoat. do you really want to see the doc oc in green spandix? jesus, even in the comic book series grew out of that idea. did we not learn anyhting from the fantastic four movie(cheesy costumes and the thing looked like crap)! sometimes change is good(except for the first punisher movie ).

  • July 22, 2003, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Spidey 3 info

    by Ribbons

    I don't know how many people already know this, but I read in Wizard magazine--(covers face to protect himself from thrown stones)--like I was saying, I read in Wizard magazine that the actress who plays Felicia Hardy (I think) contributes to Spider-Man 3 by helping to drive someone crazy in Spider-Man 2.

  • July 22, 2003, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Spider Man 3 will show a certain anime influence when...

    by Zefram Mann

    ...a dead deer is tentacle-raped. And Doc Ock should be played by Hulk Hogan. "Whatcha gonna do, Spider Man, when the largest arms in the world run wild on you?!?!"

  • July 22, 2003, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Batman: and Pepsi dead end.

    by pencil-man

    I think I'm going insane. I can't tell if I like Doc Ock because I know he's a Spidey nemesis, or because he just looks innately cool. And about that Batman movie: What the fuck is he doing fighting Predator? Do they have ANYTHING to do with each other? NO! What I WANT to see is the S2 footage, tentacles a flailin'! That way I can tell the world if it is good or bad. If anyone smuggled a video camera into the convention, PLEASE, please, pleeeeease let us all see!

  • July 22, 2003, 7:50 a.m. CST

    the trenchcoat is quite clearly Brown not Black.

    by JollyBlondeGiant

    I love the look of Doc Ock, cant wait to see those tentacles wrapped around spidey.

  • July 22, 2003, 7:56 a.m. CST

    The hi-res poster makes great wallpaper!

    by JollyBlondeGiant

    I've had lots of co-workers asking what it was, they all think it looks really cool. Download it now!!!

  • July 22, 2003, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Looks dark green to me.

    by Vegas

    Surprised no one else thinks so. Doc Ock in a green trenchcoat. Don't see why that would piss anyone off, which is probably why those looking for a reason to bitch (when there is no reason to be had) say that it's black. Also, on Dark Horizons (I think) they confirmed that it's a green coat. As far as I'm concerned, this guy looks perfect. I wouldn't change a damn thing.

  • July 22, 2003, 10:15 a.m. CST

    More news on the tentacles here. God! its gonna be a slow 12 mon

    by JollyBlondeGiant

    Coming Attractions at Cinescape has some interesting details about Doc Ock's tentacles in Spider-Man 2. Here's a clip... Unlike the character's comic book counterpart, Doctor Octopus' tentacles each have a different function and are able to do different things. You can see a hint of this if you look very closely at the ends of each of the tentacles; the ends appear similar but have minor differences from each other. "The four claws are not identical...for very cool reasons," writes our source. And listening to what Marvel Studios' Avi Arad had to say at the SPIDER-MAN 2 panel on Saturday, they might also each have their own distinct personality! Now we're really excited to see these babies in full action against Spidey! "Each of the tentacles has the underside painted yellow like a snake belly," our source goes on to say. "The yellow is a bright 'police line' kind of yellow. It really makes the tentacles look like serious machinery." Again, if you look closely at the teaser image Sony provided us you'll be able to indeed see a yellow stripe running down one side of each tentacle.

  • July 22, 2003, 10:24 a.m. CST

    actually Vegas you might be correct.

    by JollyBlondeGiant

    The yellow hue of the pic makes it look brown, but green would be a nice nod to his original costume. Also, how cool is the idea of the tentacles having a mind of their own, sweet. I better go back to work. Smell ya later.

  • July 22, 2003, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Most of you are clueless

    by Squashomatic

    The coat is dark green. go to for the details.

  • July 22, 2003, 2:52 p.m. CST

    The coat is dark green, eh?

    by Ribbons

    Well, that renders this Matrix-fueled debate obsolete; I apologize for helping to perpetuate it.

  • July 22, 2003, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Still, wotta jackass

    by Ribbons

    Yeah, because it's soooo obviously green from the pictures pasted onto this article. I'm sorry most of us don't go to What complete and utter wastes of fucking oxygen we are. All the same, I'd rather be clueless enough as to not gauge my self-worth according to how many movie preview websites I've visited in a day than a demeaning, self-centered piece of shit like Squashomatic.

  • July 22, 2003, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Off topic, but please help!

    by Salem Hanna

    I'm desperately trying to find a song by a Texan band that came out in the UK in late summer/early autumn 1998. Can't remember the band's name or the name of the single, but the lyrics went: "They made up their mind...and they started packing...left before the sun came up that exit to eternal summer slacking...where were they going without ever knowing the way?" And the chorus went: "Anyone could see the road they were travelling was paved in's always summer they'll never get cold...they'll never get hungry, they'll never get old and grey..." Can anyone help me out with what the band/song name are? Again, sorry for being off-topic.

  • July 22, 2003, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Salem Hanna

    by Ribbons

    Sure thing. The band you're referring to goes by the name of Fastball. The CD with the song you quoted is called "All the Pain Money Can Buy," which is a decent CD if you're into alt-rock. Hope you find this information useful.

  • July 22, 2003, 5:35 p.m. CST

    To be more specific

    by Ribbons

    If you just want to download the song or buy the single or some such, the name of the song is called "The Way."

  • July 22, 2003, 9:51 p.m. CST


    by Shaw

    I wasn't whining. I think it looks great and I will certainly be seeing this more than once. Apprantly my comment that "his glasses don't look square enough like in the comic" was a form of satire too subtle for you to comprehend.

  • July 22, 2003, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Well, Raimi just confirmed the coat is a green trenchcoat not th

    by screenplaywriter

    But hopefully, just maybe we'll get to see the green + orange armored suit from the cartoon and comics, if not, eh...I'm cool with it.

  • July 23, 2003, 4:04 a.m. CST

    why so goddamn many green Spider-Man villains?

    by phasmatrope

    What do I mean, you wonder? Well let's look at the suspects. The Lizard: green. Doc Ock: green clothing. Sandman had a green shirt. Electro was yellow and... green. Mysterio was purple and, you guessed it, green. Doctor Doom was an occasional villain, and he too had the love of green. The Green Goblin (could've been any other color goblin, but noooo. Guess it was phonetically fitting). And let's not forget The Vulture and The Scorpion. I mean, have you ever seen a green vulture or scorpion? I don't fuckin' think so. So what gives? Am I the only one who's noticed this?

  • July 23, 2003, 7:26 a.m. CST

    doc ock footage!

    by zerohype

    go to there's some cool shit on doc ock, including stills of his lab breakout! its a little unclear as to what's going on, but there's definetly something going on!

  • July 23, 2003, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Where the hell is his Beatles-haircut?!?

    by Sith Witch

  • July 24, 2003, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Ok, new rule for talkbacks: read what's already been written bef

    by sambrook

    For Christ's sake, this talkback could have had the same debates in four posts! So some people think it's too close to the Matrix look? So agree with whoever said it before or say something new BUT DO NOT just post it as if you are the first person to think of it when 200 others have posted the exact same post! it's the same with all the other arguments on this board. How many fanboys complain about the lack of originality in films? Well taste your own medicine, folks. I'm all for debate, but this is just statements repeated over and over again with no reference to any other posts on the board. This may seem a big rant over something so small, but come on! It's simple stuff!

  • July 27, 2003, 12:08 a.m. CST

    All this complaining reminds me of a certain movie called....

    by catoblepas

    Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.... Is that all I need to say or ""

  • Feb. 29, 2004, 2:52 p.m. CST

    ...stop the comparisons...

    by SuicideBob666

    why do all you little fuck heads keep comparing Spider-man and The Matrix triliogy it's really fucking annoying...and be happy with the damn trench coat on Doc. Ock. As someone said before it would look stupid as hell if they gave him his comic costume. Plus I never heard anyone complain about GG's costume...

  • June 21, 2004, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Check Out These Pics of Doc Ock

    by MoreMan,%20Alfred You'll have to scroll through, but there are some really cool shots of Doc Ock.