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Something truly outstanding! The very graphic trailer to Mel Gibson's THE PASSION!

Hey folks, Harry here... Once every now and again a really special project comes along borne out of a passion for the material. We've seen Peter Jackson's passion really come through with his LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy thus far, and well... I've got a feeling that Mel Gibson has that same sort of drive in the making of THE PASSION. While I'm not a deeply religious person, I can not help, but acknowledge the ingrained power to the story of Christ's final hours. Simply, as one film called it, it's the greatest story ever told, or at least one of them.

The story of Christ in those final hours is one of pain and torment and astonishing spirit. From the images in this trailer that was sent to me, I can't help but believe in Mel's vision for the film. Shot in the original language of the time and allegedly being shone sans subtitles, I really feel this is not only powerful filmmaking, but a bold artistic step forward for Mel. I also feel that it has the chance to really become a bit of a phenomenon in theaters that play it, and can't believe it hasn't been picked up by a studio yet. I mean, the story behind the making of this film in its original "dead" languages and the opportunity to have Mel Gibson on every talk show in the world talking about the decisions and reasons he had for making the film this way... Well, I think it has a wider audience than anyone is currently expecting. Here's the trailer that was sent to me... See what you think, though 10 to 1, it will crash my server, so be quick!

Click Here For THE PASSION!

Mirrored here thanks to Kenny! Don't kill him! - UPDATED - You guys killed Kenny's server!

TheMovieBox.Net guy (Mike) has created a low-res, but large Quicktime and mirrored this smaller file on his site at 7.1 megs... Gets pixel-y from time to time, but for you folks that have been fighting to get to it on my server... better than nothing!

We've been getting A LOT of traffic from Christian faith areas online, that have been anxious to see footage from this film. The letters I'm getting reflect a great deal of excitement in regards to the film. Also, I'd like to compliment the folks in Talkback for really doing a great job on this trailer... IF you want to know what is going on in the trailer and your Gospel knowledge is a bit lacking... all the answers are below...

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  • July 11, 2003, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Hmmm

    by ProfessorChaos

    There will be protesting old hags

  • July 11, 2003, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Reworking madness.

    by Crappy Jack

    Now, I'm not one to mock the death of Christ, but hasn't this already been done w/ "The Last Temptation..."? I mean, it's nice to see that people still remember the Bible and all, but couldn't we be putting our attentions toward things that haven't already been cinematically documented?

  • July 11, 2003, 11:28 p.m. CST

    That's like the 5th time I've been first

    by ProfessorChaos

    I'm still not sure what to make of this film yet, except it's interesting, to say the least.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:29 p.m. CST

    This actually looks friggin good....

    by Uncle_Les

    Between this and Braveheart, I'd say Mel's a pretty friggin good filmmaker (or a frightfully manipulative one, both works for me). I love the snake, the gore (good thing he didn't draw back on this), Bellucci's look and the "Italian" Latin, the coins tossed at Judas and.... fuck man, CAVIEZEL!!!!

  • July 11, 2003, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Wow...

    by LordRobinson

    This movie needs to be seen. Someone please pick this movie up.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:32 p.m. CST

    "Ichi Omo."

    by pencil-man

    What did that guy say??? The DVD will HAVE to include subtitles so we can watch it in history class. Conversely, it should also gets Closed Captioning so we can see what is said or it would be moot. ANYONE KNOW WHAT "ICHI OMO" MEANS??

  • July 11, 2003, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Nope...

    by Dru

    The damn thing won't work. However, I'd still like to go on record that I'm exciting about this movie. This is the sort of project, the sort of scale, that has been lost from cinema since... well, let's face it, since LOTR. Love it or hate it, this will be a profound piece of film. Out.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Bring on the religious debates!

    by crimsonrage

    Because we all know that the tubby guys wearing 'Dr. Who' T-shirts hold all of life's answers.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by hellpants

    I'm not quite sure what to make of this movie yet. I have a lot of confidence in gibson as a director, and I'm pretty sure he won't screw it up But good lord! the blood in that trailer is pretty disturbing. although now that i think about it that's probably the point, to graphically involve the audience in the pain and horror of what is jesus is enduring. I'm really looking forward to this one.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Well

    by Johnson McGregor

    With Braveheart under your belt, you'll always have me checking for you. I will see this. I'm not religious in any form either, but it's a story. Accurate or not (and being based on the generally accepted tale, it clearly won't be), it shouldn't matter. Mel knows how to tell a great story.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:39 p.m. CST

    music

    by Goldschlager777

    The attached soundtrack sounds VERY VERY VERY much like Peter Gabriel

  • July 11, 2003, 11:39 p.m. CST

    No, Harry, they've decided to use subtitles now

    by Stormin

    The first actual relevant piece of information I've ever brought to this site! I read this on another site (I think Comingsoon.net but I could be wrong) that they've changed their minds and are using subtitles. At one point they had too many subtitles and went back and got rid of some more-obvious ones, like Roman soldiers shouting "Stand back!" and such.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Ecce Homo

    by pdiddy

    First of all the words are: ecce homo SYLLABICATION: ec

  • July 11, 2003, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Looks great

    by Snarky

    I also hope someone picks this up, because it looks fantastic.

  • July 12, 2003, 12:05 a.m. CST

    wow

    by El Grove

    Seriously, anyone that tackles this material, who is such a commerical property, has amazing testicular fortitude---I was raised Catholic--so maybe that slights my opinion. But---WOW! I am amazed! I, for one, am wishing Mel the best in his efforts to express what he feels about this subject. Say what you want, preach what you want, believe what you feel. I don't want to suggest to anyone what I feel other than how much I am intrigued by this--but this feels like a very important event in film making.

  • July 12, 2003, 12:19 a.m. CST

    No, subtitles aren't in just yet...he just screened the film wit

    by aceattorney

    Yes, people liked the subs, but I don't think Mel is going to keep em in there.

  • July 12, 2003, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Rock on PDiddy

    by Andural

    AVE!!! I was about to post that stuff Pdiddy. Way to be a latin scholar!!! Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinus alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes!

  • July 12, 2003, 12:32 a.m. CST

    It's still up in the air

    by JohnnyBarrett

    Gibson has gone on the record, insisting that he hates "The Last Temptation of Christ." What does this mean? It probably means that this is going to be a totally unpoetic rendition of the crucifixion. Scorsese did realism + poetry but I think Gibson wants to abandon the poetry. I think this is a really bad idea but maybe he'll surprise me. I'm not sure, though, why people say they have faith in Gibson, as a director. Even if you like Braveheart (I don't), it was only his second movie.

  • July 12, 2003, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Has everybody gone insane?? Why the fuck is Mel Gibson doing a

    by Dr.Killkov

    That's what everybody is thinking right? Let's keep it real! From WHAT WOMEN WANT to THE PASSION is a pretty huge step. Fuck it all and go to Africa and film Mad Max 4 for fuck sakes. Lets stop the insanity. And if your President Bush is reading this, pull your troops from the Middle East, George Miller has work to do there, ya filthy animal! I can't wait for Mad Max 4, it'll be like, "rata-tat-tat-tat-tat!" and, "vrrroooommsh!" and "wanna get outta here? talk me!" and, "kachunk kachunk" and, "kaplow" and, bang, bang, bang!"

  • July 12, 2003, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah, HARRY-----> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SHARING THE TRAILER

    by aceattorney

    I have really been looking forward to this one...Check out IMDB for the tidbit on Satan being played by Rosalinda Celentano.

  • July 12, 2003, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Jim Caviezal!!!!!!

    by T-MACK 1.01

    Jim Caviezal has bee terrific in every role I've seen him in (High Crimes withstanding). Go and see The Count of Monte Cristo to see a glimpse of some glorious acting talent!

  • How was that. Ahh, I'm just kidding.

  • July 12, 2003, 1:33 a.m. CST

    woops! thought i was watchin the end of braveheart there for a s

    by imageburn13

    he (mr. mel) really knows how to hit all the right emotional notes, what with all the "close-to-dead guy on an alter with chick(s) walking through the crowd"...hehe j/k, i really hope this is a step in the right direction for ol' mel,

  • July 12, 2003, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Ohhhhh Wow

    by revam

    When Christ started speaking from the cross, my hair started rising!

  • July 12, 2003, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Those creepy quotations--

    by Lobanhaki

    Man, it is ironic that people in today's scatologically inclined culture should be shocked that people in the biblical times knew about blood, guts, shit, semen and all those other wonderful topics of dinnertime conversation. They were deeper in it than we were. We live our nice sanitary lives beyond rutting, crapping, pissing, jizzing farm animals, and in a world where you had a great degree of privacy from your peers. The truth is, the bible is one of the more honest works around on human nature. Despite what some people will tell you, It's not hellfire and damnation for anybody who strays an inch. The whole point of Christianity, and to an extent Judaism is that there is repentance, that there is forgiveness. You are not beyond the concern and the kindness of God. But it is not a cheap religion, where nobody can be wrong, and nobody can fall from grace. We are human, and that means we do not always know, understand or feel the things that would allow us to behave in accordance with the natural order of things, the natural law. That's what sin is: the distance that we thinking, imagining human beings can stray from the truth of things. But if we acknowledge the truth of our limitations, we can begin to work around them, instead of papering over them with the right words, the right appearances and all that other superficial crap. To paraphrase Michael Douglas in The American President, this is advanced spirituality. You got to want it bad. And if you want to do it right, you must sit down as some hothead across from you says things you're sure will land him in hell, and never lay a finger on him.

  • July 12, 2003, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Not historical ...

    by Chaka

    The trailer looks amazing, however it appears Mel is ditching historical accuracy here. 1) Jesus did not carry the whole cross, just the cross beam 2) He was nailed through his wrists, not hands (The bone structure of the hand could not support the weight of the body ... the nails would have torn through) Otherwise, this looks solid. Give the guy credit ... this is bold stuff

  • July 12, 2003, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ

    by tha_hellhound

    no message just wanted to say that

  • July 12, 2003, 2:06 a.m. CST

    James Horner is scoring this film

    by TALK DROID

    The titanic score was great, among numerous others. There just better not be a Frickin' Celine dion song in this film, Or i'll bleed more than this jesus does in this trailer.

  • July 12, 2003, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Only way Mel can compete with PJ's Rings is to make this into a

    by Moriarity Report

    And I'm serious, this is a serious post by an upset Christian. Us Christians really need to lighten up about the marketing of Jesus and the Bible. All we have is that God awful "Christian Rock" that tries to make a style of music that died out 12 years ago somehow sound hip, singing about no sex, no drugs, and rock that doesn't rock. Our God is totally not being done justice with that crap. After years of tele-films Jesus is finally making his triumphant return to the big screen and yet, no Toy Biz action figures, no fresh electronica score album with some hip hop hitmakers thrown in, no PS2 video game, no BK Kids Meal featuring a special Fish flavored shake, nothing! I mean, Clash of the Titans had a bad ass action figure line and that religion died out like, thousands of years ago! And what do we get?! But, of course, Hollywood is probably as much to blame for this as Christians themselves, I'm sure they wish to Hell Mel never made this thing. But, hey, if this thing catches on somehow, Mel can always go back and do sequels. In the first sequel, Lord of the Passion: The Two Mormons, the tale of Jesus' Native American adventure in the New World can be told, and they can have the funky Native American God who can be CG by WETA and give a haunting performance about how he doesn't want his people to get addicted to worshipping a pagan God, recounting his own battle with paganism and how he became addicted to worshipping pagaen symbols. And in the final gripping chapter, Lord of the Passion: The Return of the King, Jesus will return one final time to finally destroy all of the sinners and cast them into the fiery depths of Hell from whence they were forged by the evil Satan and his Four Horsemen; evil, black cloaked riders, who were once kings who became sinners by indulging in their hippie lifestyle. And at last, Jesus will finally claim his rightful blood legacy, as the only surviving member of the house of David, as the King of Men.

  • July 12, 2003, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Hey Harry, try out BitTorrent for bandwidth concerns...

    by Strabo

    http://www.bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/ The next big P2P network.

  • July 12, 2003, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Dude...I just hate it when a trailer spoils the ending of the mo

    by Massawyrm 1

    I mean come on...did they actually have to tell us that this jesus guy dies just to get us in the theatre. At least there isn't a Harry Potter/Lord of the Rings situation where a book exists that people can read before the movie. That would just ruin the experiance altogether.

  • July 12, 2003, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Heaven's Gate

    by septimus_p

    This has all the earmarks of being another "Heaven's Gate" or "Ishtar" only with an ugly dose of anti-semitism tossed in. If you'll excuse me, I think I'd rather watch Marty Scorcese's vastly underrated "Last Temptation of Christ" instead.

  • July 12, 2003, 3:35 a.m. CST

    But What About FURY ROAD?

    by CHEWBLACCA

    HUH?

  • July 12, 2003, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Music=from Peter Gabriel's score to Rabbit Proof Fence

    by AgentSage

    Highly recommended soundtrack, although it's less song-oriented than Gabriel's "Passion" album. I didn't have much interest in this film, besides the controversy surrounding it, until I saw this trailer. Very intriguing.

  • July 12, 2003, 3:39 a.m. CST

    WoW! Looks fabulous.

    by corkiboy

    I love it. It looks like Mel have created something impressive and powerful once again that I'm gonna love, even though I'm not exactly religious. I would rather if they don't subtitle it.

  • July 12, 2003, 4:01 a.m. CST

    WTF?!?! He dies in this???

    by caatwatch6

    ROFL Massawyrm! Yea damnit! Don't spoil the movie for us man. I mean showing the ending in the trailer...c'mon Mel! I didn't have any idea that he dies in this..woops...comes back to die again...woops...well whatever. Hail Satan - Tenacious D. Long live the motherfucking D! Please come out with another album. Muahahahahaa.

  • July 12, 2003, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Why go through all the trouble of historical accuracy...

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    ...if you're just gonna cast Jesus as a white guy anyways?

  • July 12, 2003, 4:33 a.m. CST

    mispronounced Latin!

    by Silver Shamrock

    "ecce" is supposed to be pronounced with a hard "K" sound! And yes, I took four years of Latin and yes, I am bitter about the waste of time. All fools shall be made to suffer the wraith of my knowledge of a dead language. One geek to rule them all! Res ipsa loquitor.

  • July 12, 2003, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Editing by Homer?

    by ChickenGeorgeVII

    Did Mel Gibson get Homer Simpson to edit this for him? They seemed to have a thing going before.....although an American Flag in the film would be a little too Michael Bayish....And thus, I have spoken! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!

  • July 12, 2003, 5:55 a.m. CST

    I was a huge fan of Mel Gibson...

    by METHOS

    Loved Mad Max, Lethal Weapon, Braveheart etc... But I cannot watch anything with him these days because it only reminds me about how he royally screwed Wim Wenders and Bono. Hopefully, this awful and embarrassing vanity project will finally bankrupt Icon Productions, and expose Mel's hatred of Jews and Catholics to the world. Holywood hasn't seen an ego this large self-destruct in many years. This should be entertaining. And I also agree with the great AICN poster that said: Memo to Brett Ratner...Eat a dick!

  • July 12, 2003, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Wow! It looks mighty amazing!!!

    by hawauer29a

    i can't wait to see this! Oh man, jealous freaks are gonna love this!!!

  • July 12, 2003, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Wow! It looks mighty amazing!!!

    by hawauer29a

    i can't wait to see this! Oh man, jealous freaks are gonna love this!!! I mean Jesus freaks. :)

  • July 12, 2003, 6:38 a.m. CST

    I'd still like to see Mel Gibson use the shifty eyed dog.

    by mbaker

    I find it interesting that Hollywood can make movies as violent as they want, but whenever religion is thrown into the mix, they lable it as "controversy".

  • July 12, 2003, 6:41 a.m. CST

    If you're not even using subtitles...

    by Fitzcarraldo

    then you shouldn't be using emotionally-manipulative music. The story should stand on its own merits. I can't help but think of Monty Python looking at this.

  • July 12, 2003, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Genesis 3:14,15

    by pungaboy

    "14 The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all cattle, and above all wild animals; upon your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. 15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." This is one of the first prophesies in the Bible, made way before Christ ever lived. The serpent represents Satan and the seed of woman represents Jesus. (See how it's the seed of woman and not man... foretelling the virgin birth... whether or not you believe in that...) Anyway, and so the serpent bites his heel, represent's Christ's death, and the crushing of the serpent's head represents Christ's resurrection and victory over Satan. Anyway, my point is... Mel actually has this shot in the movie! How cool is that? Talk about somebody that understands his source material! It's little stuff like this that takes a movie to an entirely different level! I can't believe that nobody has picked up this movie for distribution yet. What stupid studio exec is going to say, "no" to possible Oscar nods, just for fear of pissing half the world off? That notwithstanding, with all the praise it's getting from the religious press, it seems it's going to be marketed from one of the most influential and widely listened to establishments in world culture. Somebody needs to step up and take a risk with this picture. Mel certainly has, and I think it's looking great.

  • July 12, 2003, 7:08 a.m. CST

    You can call it "JESUS CHRIST BEYOND THUNDERDOME"

    by Black Caeser

  • July 12, 2003, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Surely the poster tagline will be...

    by Eddie the Greek

    "He'll be back!" Great trailer, interesting idea, looking forward to seeing the film but the chances of getting to see it in the cinema will probably be pretty small. I read somewhere that Mel had shown the film to a load of religious group leaders who praised it as a work of faith - so perhaps it won't be that controversial.

  • I agree with Gheorghe Zamfir. The visuals are beautiful and I can tell Mel wants to tell a "real" story. So why are they all White? I don't see one person with even a tan and they live in the fucking desert!! Man! What a sad thing it is to see such a strive for accuracy ruined by the ignorance of popular misconception. And for those who don't think this is a big deal, I heard from you all when you were blowing a gasket because the Kingpin was black. Just one Real Jesus Please!! The world needs to see the truly swarthy, bronze skinned, nappy haired, Arabic Jesus that is documented. Maybe then all good Christians will realize this isn't a "European" religion, and Jesus wasn't American. He was an Arab just like that nice hard working guy down the street you think is a terrorist! Cheers!!

  • July 12, 2003, 8:05 a.m. CST

    This really does look excellent

    by joeblowe

    Can't wait to see it, although it'll most likely be impossible to see it in theatres. Studios are afraid to pick it up because of all the rabble it'd create.

  • July 12, 2003, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Couple more thoughts

    by joeblowe

    Satan lady creeps me the fuck out, perfect casting choice. And it is kind of funny how the god ol' US of A takes everything and makes it theirs. They took Christianity and alot of them completely forget that it is a middle eastern religion, they took it and americanized it. Then they took Anime, they took Sushi, a million other things I can't think of, and americanized them all.

  • July 12, 2003, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Subtitles- Apparently it needs them

    by DannyOcean01

    I heard that not only was Gibson using subtitles but some Aramaic scholar dudes who viewed a print thought he'd used too much. Explaining away obvious details. Is that still true?

  • July 12, 2003, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Bit Torrent Link for the Trailer

    by SaturdaySaint

    http://www.bytemonsoon.com/download.php/13185/ThePassion.mov.torrent Fear my Elite torrent finding skillz

  • July 12, 2003, 9:06 a.m. CST

    METHOS

    by NFLRefugee

    Totaly respect your opinion, but that Wim Wenders/Bono film was pretty weak. What did Mel say? It was "as boring as a dog's ass"? That pretty much says it all. The Passion looks pretty amazing. Will not get good reviews, film critics tend to be left-leaning, gay, anti-Christian, intellectuals, and this won't do good box office, because the vast majority of audiences don't like good movies.

  • July 12, 2003, 9:15 a.m. CST

    This movie promises the most moving and thought-provoking death

    by disappear here

    Fuck Mel Gibson. He is a megalomaniacal homophobic religious zealot, and an all-round not-very-nice guy. I hope this bloated, self-indulgent excuse for a movie crashes and burns and leaves him in the gutter, sucking Harvey Weinstein off for cash to pay for his crack habit.

  • July 12, 2003, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Amazing, Mel!!

    by viola123

    And thank you, Harry! I have been wanting to see this trailer forever, and now here it is, and how can anyone not be moved by this? My gosh, you so do not have to be religious to get this story, and I think that was part of Mel's point, and all filmmaker's point, in making a film like this. It's the story that moves you, whether you are full of faith or not. I am going to be crying my eyes out watching this, and it really looks spectacular. A studio will definitely pick it up, and subtitles or no, Mel will find the right, the perfect, balance. I love it. Here's a film that Mel was told by almost everyone NOT to make, and he's already causing a stir, creating a vivid impression with just the trailer. I think this will have a much wider audience than some expect too, Harry. I took a course in college called "The Bible as Literature" and truly, when you read the bible just as literature, there's so much that makes you go "sh*t!" and this, the final hours of Christ's life, is definitely one of those that can be discussed, debated, argued over, and appreciated for its stunning depth and "whoa" factor!

  • July 12, 2003, 10:23 a.m. CST

    issues

    by Tesarta

    Other people have mentioned some of the problems with what we're seeing... thought I'd add 2 cents. The Latin they're speaking will probably be medieval French Catholic Latin: this would explain the pronunciation of ecce as "echeh" and the pronunciation of homo as "ohmo." ** If they're using "ecce homo" as a line of dialogue, this means that they're using the Gospel of John - and the chronology of the Gospel of John at this point is quite different from that of the other 3 gospels. (In John, Jesus dies on the Day of Preparation; in the synoptics, he dies on the Passover.) ** If they are using the Fourth Gospel it will be fairly difficult not to seem anti-Semitic (since the Fourth Gospel refers to "the Jews" as a whole, because the Gospel was in part an intra-Jewish polemical work - not anti-Semitic in its time, but easily read that way soon after). ** The use of Latin is a bit...funny. In Palestine at the time the two major languages would have been Aramaic and Greek; Latin would only have been used by the Roman officials, but never in conversation with non-Romans. If they did speak Latin to outsiders, they would have used a translator who knew both Latin and Greek. In other words, they'd need to have Greek in this movie for it to be accurate. ** As far as historical accuracy goes, it's not going to be there one way or the other. The Gospels are not history and were never meant to be history (with the possible exception of Luke) - they are Gospels. The traditions that were handed down to the Gospel authors had been transformed in the light of their resurrection faith so that the historical details (as we would understand history now) were not important. ** So I'm looking forward to this film as an attempt to render the texts, but hardly as an attempt at accuracy, no matter what languages they use.

  • July 12, 2003, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Mels faith

    by lokiii

    A man of faith, whole heartly expressing his view in a way that neither represses nor harms anyone. I may not agree with every aspect of it but it has to be applauded.

  • July 12, 2003, 10:34 a.m. CST

    The historical conception of Jesus

    by Admiral Nelson

    Popular Science (I believe) did an article several months back on the

  • July 12, 2003, 10:39 a.m. CST

    The historical conception of Jesus

    by Admiral Nelson

    Popular Science (I believe) did an article several months back on the

  • July 12, 2003, 10:44 a.m. CST

    ABOUT THE HAND vs, WRIST THING Chaka...

    by Fish Tank

    Yes, nailing through the hand would cause your body weight to rip through it, but check the trailer again - he's also roped around the wrists for support. Some believe that nailing through the wrist would cause too much blood flow/loss and therefore negate the purpose of crucifiction (a sloooow death by asphyxiation as your lung muscles give out). Nailing his hands ensures noone can pull him/cut him off while alive. It also corroborates the "stigmata" reports, as well as sculptures and pictures through time showing his hands nailed. FYI - I'm not religious, just fascinated by religion(s).

  • July 12, 2003, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Correction: The Real Face of Jesus

    by Admiral Nelson

    Sorry about the previous double-post (browser glitch.) The article on "The Real Face of Jesus" was actually from Popular Mechanics, and here's the URL: http://popularmechanics.com/science/research/2002/12/real_face_jesus/ ...also, now that I've seen the trailer, here's another inaccuracy: the nails would've gone in the wrists, not the palms, because the palms wouldn't have supported the weight of the body. If you're claiming to make an "historically accurate" version of Jesus's final days, then why not actually make it accurate? Who knows -- you might educate some people and cause them to have greater appreciation for their faith.

  • That's Hollywood for ya. I've read about it, and have also seen the very interesting and educational TLC program "The Real Jesus". But despite the way Jesus should look, like the Jews of his time, no facial hair, short haircut, and he should appear of Middle Eastern decent, eveything else does seem to be accurate. More accurate than any other Jesus movie made. But it is Mel's version and vision and I'm now excited to see the whole outcome of what may be a very amazing and touching artwork. One other thing that may be inaccurate.... The crucifixions in his time were very common. And in that time a dead body was considered to be a dirty thing after death. This is why the tombs were located in garbage dumps and crucifixions occured right at the edge. It is very possible that Jesus' body was just dumped in the garbage pit. He wasn't wealthy to be buried in a tomb. A terrible thought. The trailer is very graphic, but that was the way the Romans delt with things. That is accurate. Those were very violent times.

  • July 12, 2003, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Jesus!

    by Lance Rock

    Looks fascinating

  • I love him!

  • July 12, 2003, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Crimsonrage - post of the day

    by Oberon

    "Because we all know that the tubby guys wearing 'Dr. Who' T-shirts hold all of life's answers." - LOL

  • July 12, 2003, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Historical accuracy?

    by Oberon

    Hello gents: A few notes. 1) We really don't know what Jesus looked like. We assume that he looked like an average 1st century Jewish male but there is plenty of evidence that there was more variation even in that profile. Unlikely that he looked Northern European? Probably. But Caviezel looks more Mediterranean here than anything. The danger is assuming that current inhabitants of the region reflect how their 1st century predecessors looked - and there has been far too migration to make such an assumption. 2) Nails in the wrists? There are different schools of thought on this , with not enough evidence to settle the question decisively. If you believe the Shroud of Turin is for real, the stains there indicate holes bored in the wrists. On the other hand I recently saw a special featuring an American scientist who had created a device to simulate the cross, and he had discovered that, with the wooden washers, it was possible to drive the nails throuh the palms. What you have to reember is that the weight is primarily borne on the feet, which is why the legs were broken to speed death. Either way I am eagerly looking forward to seeing this movie - with or without subttitles.

  • July 12, 2003, 1:28 p.m. CST

    a few things...

    by Aragorn II

    I think this talkback is one of the more interesting things I've seen on this site in a long time. That said, there are a few things floating around in here that I thought I'd address, since it is Saturday afternoon and I have nothing better to do. Delwin, I believe, was commenting on the fact that Jesus was probably too poor to be buried in a tomb, which is true. However, the gospel points out that his tomb was actually purchased by Joseph of Arimathea, a secret Christian and a member of the Sanhedrin, I believe. It was also pointed out that only Romans would speak Latin, and that non-Romans would only understand Greek or Aramaic. I believe I heard that Aramaic is also used extensively in the film, which would make everything understandable to everyone. As far as the whole "Jesus would have short hair and no beard" thing, I think it is important to remember that while the average Jew might have kept up this appearance, Jesus existed on the fringe of society for the most part, sort of a homeless drifter. While most people in society today are fairly well-groomed, our own homeless drifters probably look a lot like Jesus did. Finally, I don't think Mel ever made the assertion that he was making a movie that was historically accurate in every way possible, down to the most minute of details. I'm sure that he has chosen to let Catholic tradition influence certain parts of the film, perhaps not even for artistic reasons, but just because those traditions inform a great deal of what a Catholic Christian believes. I am a Baptist who teaches at a Catholic school, and I am often surprised by how differently I view many interpretive details. However, many of my beliefs take visual form based on something other than 1st century anthropology. For the trailer, I don't think the Bible ever says that Jesus literally stomped on a snake's head, but it's in there to make an impact (pun possibly intended). If the majority of the world sees Christ as a long-haired hippy sort of guy, who's to say that isn't the best way for Mel to make us relate to him? Just a thought.

  • July 12, 2003, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Jesus

    by YO MOM'S GOAT

    Just checked the book of John. He entered the city and the crowds were there for the "Feast." The Passover. Stayed through the week, teaching, etc... crucified, came back... it matches the other three gospels. Just thought I'd help clarify. Oh, and Jesus is cool!

  • July 12, 2003, 2:33 p.m. CST

    nobody's thought of this yet...

    by darthchase

    is this trailer actually going to be shown in theaters? i can't friggin' download it due to AICN's lovely servers, but if it's as bloody as i'm reading, i dunno if it'd ever make it to the theaters. if it did, what films might it be attached to? i only ask this because I CAN'T FREAKIN' DOWNLOAD THE TRAILER NOW!

  • July 12, 2003, 3:09 p.m. CST

    "Real" face of Jesus

    by DreadPirateRoberts

    Although the article being refered to is a fun read, it is also a complete waste of time. It sounds like good science, but it is not. To make a comparison, it would be like if scientists a couple thousand years from now took census and other statistical data from now and came up with an average American as mostly caucasean with some black, asian, and hispanic features thrown in, with an estimated weight of 180lbs, 5' 10'' height, and so on and then said that that is what James Earl Jones or Carrot Top must have looked like. I am sure Jesus did not look white, but there is no real chance he looked anything like the Popular Mechanics composite either.

  • July 12, 2003, 3:13 p.m. CST

    The Passion...

    by lajohn80

    Hey guys, I'm not sure why everyone is complaining about this movie. It should be shown and it looks amazing. I've never seen a portrayal of Jesus this way before. I think that the world needs to see it to know exactly how bad it really was. I'm still stumped as to why no film company has picked it up yet. I agree with another viewer, why can't they show this when Hollywood continuously puts out graphic violence of other sorts? I now have way more respect for Mel. Amazing!!!

  • July 12, 2003, 3:26 p.m. CST

    i feel sorry for the stomped snake....AND WHEN WILL THE CASTE a

    by iamarayya

    Ok...make the romans look Italian and the jews look like they actually live in a dessert. Why cant they cast dark skined people for once. They where right next to africa...but not blacks! And why is all the lead characters sooooooooo f*ing pale and white. If the Jesus they cast showed up in Jeruselum at that time they would probly believe he was a ROMAN! ...Hollywood should cast darker people in general dammit!

  • July 12, 2003, 4:23 p.m. CST

    I'm not sure if this movie needs subtitles.

    by Nordling

    Maybe Mel Gibson picked out the scenes of dialogue that we all recognized, but I knew what was happening even though I didn't know the language. Jesus crying out to his Father on the cross... powerful stuff. I think this will make a great film. Regardless of faith, you have to respect that much passion (pun intended) that Mel shows with the source material.

  • July 12, 2003, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Yo Mom's Goat, you are incorrect...

    by Mister Pink

    Mark 15:25 says that Jesus was crucified at the third hour of Passover. John 19:14-15 says that he was crucified at the sixth hour of the day of prparation. It doesn't match. This is only one of more than a thousand contradictions in the Bible. The Bible is just mythology. It was written by human beings who were mostly just making shit up out of their asses. Anyone with an IQ over 4 should be able to figure that out. Also, whoever said that crucifixion victims were disposed of in garbage dumps...that was true of people who were executed (stoned) under JEWISH law but was not true of crucifixion victims. The Romans left their victims on the cross to rot. They never took them down. Out of tens of thousands of crucifixions carried out by the Romans, the remains of only one victim have ever been recovered (the nails were through his wrists, btw). The story about Joseph of Arimamthea and the tomb and all that is almost certainly a myth invented long after the crucifixion. The truth is that Jesus was taken away and executed by the Romans as a public menace after he started some shit at the temple. Passover was a really sketchy time for the Romans becuse Jerusalem was packed with all the rubes from the outlying villages and they outnumbered the Romans by the hundreds to one. Any sign of a riot or any bullshit at all was quickly squelched by nailing some asses to some trees. Jesus, as far as the Romans were concerned, was just some crazy fuck harassing people in the temple. They took him away hung his ass up and that was the end of it. His followers all ran away and nobody ever saw what happened to the body. 40 years later, when Mark was making up the first gospel he knew he had to get Jesus off the cross to make his story more appealing to the masses. The focus groups didn't the original ending which just left the hero swinging in the wind so Mark copped an empty tomb motif from Mitraism. This was better but the focus groups still wanted something more rousing so the later gospels made up this whole resurrection schtick and wrote extra dialogue for the dead guy. The audience ate it up and the franchise added more shit from mithraism like Christmas and the eucharist and the franchise really took off.And that's the REAL story of Jesus folks. Oh... and the whole trial before the sanhedrin was made up too...the story was invented to take the heat off the Romans. The trial narrative is riddled with factual and procedural inaccuracies. The author of Matthew (who was NOT the apostle) didn't know dick about Jewish legal procedures.

  • July 12, 2003, 4:38 p.m. CST

    all you have to do is.......

    by Rome&BrianGarage

    confess yours sins and believe that jesus christ is your lord and savior yet many people still live against God.....i pray for all of you

  • July 12, 2003, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Mel is officially a god . . . of movies anyway.

    by Zeldas

    Was I the only one who practically bawled during the trailer? This movie seems to be incredible, but I do agree that maybe the music was a bit leading. Latin nerds unite!

  • July 12, 2003, 4:54 p.m. CST

    WOW !!!! Mel, you're the man!

    by wanton_wallie

    I just can't believe my favorite actor has turned into one amazing director as well! I know the trailer don't say much about the quality of the actualy film, but I don't really care. Right now its looking like a solid effort from Mel once again! I love you!, now go make Road Fury after this!

  • July 12, 2003, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Why the fundamentalists christians will love this movie...

    by nancyreagan

    Because they love Mel Gibson. And why, you may ask do they love Mel Gibson? Because he's the very image of their god--An arrogant, self-absorbed megolomaniac whose sole purpose for creating anything is to glorify himself. Keep on praying for me, kids. Your god can send me to hell for it, but he'll only succeed in proving my assertions correct and rendering himself a liar in proclaiming his own infinite mercy and justice.

  • July 12, 2003, 5:30 p.m. CST

    What did they say?

    by GreatMaker

    Hey Latin guys! I'm really amazed by the trailer, but I didn

  • July 12, 2003, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Does Santa Claus make an appearance in this movie?

    by Mr. Waturi

    Stomping on the snake! Way to go, Jesus! Jesus don't take no guff from Satan. No way!

  • July 12, 2003, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Jesus looks fine!

    by General_Patton

    Most of the Jewish people I've seen look white.

  • July 12, 2003, 7:04 p.m. CST

    This will fail even if they subtitle it...

    by SG7

    ...becuase people are genrally ignorant knuckle draggers. At "Crouching Tiger" half the audience walked out when the subs didn't end and switch to dubs. Later in the lobby I witnessed a group of people demanding their money back becuase they "don't come to the moveis to read." Really, this could be the most awesome film about Christ ever made but it won't matter. I guess casting a white dude will keep the bible belt people happy but they'll still protest.

  • July 12, 2003, 7:23 p.m. CST

    GreatMaker

    by Nordling

    If my Catholic upbringing hasn't failed me, Jesus was saying "Father! Father!" I'm thinking it's the "Why have thou forsaken me" or the "Forgive them they know not what they do" scene.

  • July 12, 2003, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Mirror for trailer

    by KingKapalone

    The original link pings great but times out. The new link is already dead.

  • July 12, 2003, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Mr. Pink Can You Clear These Up Too?

    by pdiddy

    Thank goodness you've got it figured out. You should probably seek a little more publicity for your grand vision than a talkback board though. While you're at it, could you dish out the true info on Stonehenge, the Pyramids, crop circles, the origins of the universe and why the Giants traded Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas? We'd all sleep a lot better. And for crying out loud, change that Dr. Who shirt, it's disgusting.

  • July 12, 2003, 9:13 p.m. CST

    am i the only one that thinks mel gibson is pretentious as it ge

    by BEARison Ford

    just wondering.

  • July 12, 2003, 9:43 p.m. CST

    FROM KENNY: Download Speed Check

    by FusionAddict

    Hey guys...for those who have been using the mirror I'm running, I'm just curious as to what speed you're pulling the file at right now. Email me at kenny@fusionaddict.net, I'll see if I can make some tweaks to get the thing going faster. Also, I should be able to clear up some bandwidth tonight once I go offline, if anyone feels it's too slow...but it's not like I'm running on a T-1, it's Cable Modem...but I can't complain, I get it for free.

  • July 12, 2003, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Composition, Compositing and Latin pronunciation

    by Lobanhaki

    Okay, friends and neighbors, here's a baptist-taught recently confirmed Catholic boy's take on things.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------On latin: somebody talked about how the phrase, which the man sound out as Etch-eh Oh-mo would really come out as Ek-kay Ho-mo. This is true, but only if you're dealing with scholarly latin, that is, what the classics were written in. Ecclesiastical latin, which bases itself on the vulgate (the latin the average roman spoke) is pronounced differently and with different words. While we're on the subject, I'm glad the church no longer holds Latin masses but vernacular instead. Mel Gibson may not like that, but the point of holding masses in vulgate latin originally was so that your average Roman citizen could understand the language, and therefore understand the words of the mass and the readings. That said, I can understand Mel's nostalgia, given that my mother felt much the same way.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The face of Christ- Well, folks, first lets look at the name: Jesus Christ. Folks, this is a greek transliteration of the name Yeshua, along with the term Messiah- anointed, savior. The name, in the english form today, would end up as Joshua. And it would be about as common, if not more, given it's origins in the Torah. All kinds of things go into the picture we have of Jesus. This is one of the things that Fundamentalists often miss, which is the patchwork nature of the bible. Now as far as his appearance goes, I think it might be a legitimate thing to attempt in a movie, but using a non semitic actor to play the part is not necessarily going to be a bad thing as long as one thing is kept clear- that the authority of Jesus rested on what was in him and through him, not what color his skin was or what kind of hair he had. Besides, if you wanted to do the romans correctly, you'd probably use a bunch of people with blond hair, as the occupation of the mediterranean by the north africans and their demographic shift through there was still centuries away.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Last, but not least I will address Mister Pink's talkback. First: The old testament is most oral in origin. It was not just shit people made up on the spot out there asses as he put it so eloquently. People passed it on and held onto it because they valued what it meant to them. The disposal of Jesus's body, as some scholars have alleged may have been the Roman's trying to avoid a nasty political problem. Bodies were supposed to be buried before the next day. Leaving a popular radical up to rot may have been asking for a riot in a city packed with religious zealots. Now here's the sticking point. If you're a Christian, you believe the guy who got laid in the tomb rose from the dead. If you're not, you probably don't, or you have some other idea of what happened. But can either thing be proved conclusively? Probably not. Imagine there's a nuclear war, society recovers, and two thousand years later they find e-mail servers with fragments of the messages in some dump, and they're somehow able to decode it. That's about the situation, only nothing is on anything as durable as a computer system. We're talking rotting paper here at best. What can be proven though, is that the resurrection was not merely a invention of a Gospel writer, but a concept that was in place a little over twenty years after the crucifixion. How do we know this? because the oldest version of Paul's letter to the Roman's dates from around 50 AD. As for his claims that there were historical inaccuracies in the Gospels as to the trial, well, I'm not certain what evidence he bases his assertions on, because such things were not necessarily stuck to anymore than they are today, and rule of law was not a big concept in that time and place. Overall he talks about things with a certainty they don't merit. Now if he can't be certain, how can we be about our faith? Well, the thing is, we don't read the bible for proof. We read it for guidance. Whether or not the Gospels nitpicked every detail to death, we're more interested in what the stories and passages say about us, than what facts they pass on about their times.

  • July 12, 2003, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Middle Eastern Jesus

    by soad58

    Cavaziel looks like a middle easterner would look in Jesus' time. Just becasue people look a certain way now does not mean that's what people looked like 2000 years ago. The people that populate Central Europe today migrated from the middle east thousands of years ago, and do you think the people living in America two thousand years ago were white? Read a history book, don't just watch the History channel and you'll be fine

  • July 12, 2003, 10:59 p.m. CST

    FROM KENNY: File Has Been Removed

    by FusionAddict

    I have removed the file from my mirror due to server crashes and excessive bandwidth use...my apologies to anyone who was unable to download from my site.

  • July 12, 2003, 11:04 p.m. CST

    by tbrosz

    National Review Online -- http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/03_07_06_corner-archive.asp#010738 -- linked to Harry's movie file, which probably explains why the server is going down for the third time.

  • July 12, 2003, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Factual errors in Matthew's trial and why the OT is bullshit...

    by Mister Pink

    The first thing is that Matthew claims the trial was held at the house of the high priest. Under Jewish law the Sanhedrin could only meet at the temple. Matthew says they might at night. The Sanhedrin was only permitted to meet durinng the day. More significantly, though, Matthew says that they met on Passover and that was absolutely forbidden under Jewish law. Matthew says that they passed judgement immediately after the trial. Jewish law required a period of 24 hours between traial and verdict. These are all major problems but probably the biggest problem is that Matthew has the Sanhedrin convict Jesus of blasphemy when under Jewish law he had not committed blasphemy. They ask him if he is the "annointed one and the son of god" and Jesus says, "if you say so," then he quotes a bit from Daniel about the son of Adam being at the right side of God.Now here's what you have to understand. Under Jewish law, NONE of that is blasphemous. It was not blasphemy to claim to be the Messiah. The Jewish Messiah (and this is important, fundies) IS NOT GOD. Claiming to be the Messiah was not a claim to divinity. The Jewish Messiah is a human king not a god. Furthermore, it was not blasphemy to claim to be the SON of God. The phrase "son of God" to the jews just meant anyone who was especially righteous or favored by God. Lastly, it was not blasphemous to claim to be the Son of Adam (or "son of man, " it's the same phrase, from the Hebrew "Ben Adam." Adam neans man in Hebrew). Son of Adam just meant Human being in Hebrew and Aramaic idiom. It didn't mean God. It didn't even mean Messiah. Daniel refers to the Messiah as "One LIKE a son of Adam" to indicate that the Messiah is HUMAN. Now I'm not here to argue whether the Jews were right or wrong, the fact is that the Jewish Messiah is human and that means that Jesus said nothing blaphemous to the Sanhedrin under Jewish law. Don't take MY word for this shit. Check it out yourself. Ask any Jew if the Messiah is God. Research Jewish law and find out if I'm lying about the trial. Now...about the OT. I recommend a book called The Bible Unearthed by two Israeli archaeologists named Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman. They show that the archaeological evidence in Israel disproves much of the OT including the Exodus, the conquest of Caanan and that there was ever a united monarchy under David and Solomon. Finkelstein and Silberman make a very persuasive case that most of the historal books of the OT were composed as propaganda under Josiah. (not counting Genesis which is oral tradition, much of it by way of earlier Mesopotamian mythology) So, yes, quite a lot of it was rectally derived.

  • July 12, 2003, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Subtitles have no place in film, and the Mythological Talkbacker

    by Moriarity Report

    I'm sick of all these elitists calling people stupid who don't want to have to read a damn book while they're watching a film. It's called FILM! It's about the art of film, it's not about literature. Some of us like to appreciate the angles, framing, acting, scenery, lighting, pacing and all of the other parts that make up a film instead of trying to do two things at once. So I say...Fuck subtitles, in the ass! :) I was going to learn Aramaic or whatever the hell the language is called just so I can enjoy this film completely, and since that would have taken me ten years at least, then that would have coincided with when those hippies in Hollywood would have released this thing. If you don't know the language, and it's not dubbed, then don't see the fucking movie. I mean, we live in the United States, the king of Cinema worldwide, there should be plenty for us to watch right here. I'm really tired of all the other film school drop outs (yea Im one too) telling me that I need to hear the film in its original language that I don't even understand, just so I can read a book while Im watching it. I agree they should have a "no subtitled-no dub" version on the DVD for people who actually speak Aramaic or Japanese, but they should also have a dubbed version for those of us who are dumbasses and aren't Harvard educated mo fo's who don't speak nine languages. >>>>>>> Next topic! Whitey playing "olive skinned" people. Okay, first, I have never seen anyone who looks like an olive, they are green! But, I mean, cut the guy a break here, Hollywood doesn't want to show his film anyway, do you really think "liberal" Hollywood would show an American film without any major Hollywood actors in it (who are mostly White, with some Latin's and Blacks)? Would the Mafia, er I mean, Unions like that? And let's face it, the general public, most of who aren't Christians or are just casual Christians would get confused when they see a dark skinned Jesus (if he even was very dark at all). That goes for Whites, Blacks, Native Americans, Asians, Hispanics and Jews too. Personally I think they should make it as accurate as possible, to drive home just who these people were, but as most anti-Christians will point out, this is the Christians view of events, told over thousands of years, with some details out of place. > Mythology. People don't understand it, where myths come from. People's cultures. The Bible is a certain take on events that may or may not have happened. People didn't have the words to express things scientifically like we do today. They used their "intellect" in exactly the same way we use our "intellect". It's all relative, in a hundred years, people will be talking about what primates the people were in the year 2003, thinking we had it all figured out as we typed away in our talkbacks, newsgroups, chat rooms using our pieces of shit PC's dispersing all our "knowledge" to all the other "intellects." But we're doing the best we can, and hopefully a hundred years from now, a thousand years from now, people will be able to find some everlasting truth in all our shit, buried deep beneath our simple minded early 21st century interpretations.

  • July 13, 2003, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Okay Pinky, how about "THE son of God" Huh? Eh?

    by Moriarity Report

    See, you're just playing on trivialities because you're trying to do what most liberals always do, you try to knock down anything that reminds you of American/tradtional European society (because you hate it) and your failed existence, and you cite the "findings" (i.e., theories) someone wrote and you offer that up as the "truth". Since someone wrote a book about it and did research about it, then it must be the truth? In this case, it must automatically undo 3,000 years of accepted "truth"? See. I'm not saying it's wrong, and I am not familiar with your book that "clears this all up" but you can't automatically accept something as truth, just because it fits in with what you believe. This is exactly what you accuse religous people of doing. I can dig up books too, to try to "scientifically" prove my case, but that doesn't mean they are right. Everyone has a theory regarding theology and ancient history. But anyway, this is a nice break from arguing about who's more powerful, Gandalf or the Emperor.

  • July 13, 2003, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Jesus was an anti-semite

    by Dataset

    Dig it out, open it up. Find John 8:44. This is the verse that justified the holocaust. For all of you Biblical realists out there, I have two questions for you. One: Where is the "Land of Nod" and Two: Why is it important that I ask? This one question destroys all Judeo-Christian ideals of truth in scripture. For those who like to research, this is the thread that, if pulled, will unravel the Bible as "truth". I would explain, but you all need to use your DSL's for something. There have been more deaths in Jesus' name than any other cause in history, including natural old age. Racism,Anti-Semitism, nationalism, imperialism, and the Roman Catholic/Protestant/ Jewish trifecta. Not to mention thousands of years of slavery of women. So many Christians, so few lions.

  • July 13, 2003, 12:32 a.m. CST

    immune to criticism

    by disappear here

    I think that regardless of how this movie is received, good ol' Mel will get to have his cake and eat it. It this movie is successful, then I'm sure it will reinforce his towering ego and drive him to even wackier acts of religious zealotry. If it gets bad reviews and it bombs, then Mel will see that as a direct result of a conspiracy by those dirty lefties, fags and jews in the entertainment industry, thus reinforcing his towering ego and... you get the point. All of this is beside the point though, as the whole discussion is a massive crock of shit. The fact that I'm even entering this debate means that I'm taking an interest and thus prepetuating it, which is granting the whole sorry process more attention than it deserves. Do I believe in Mel Gibson's right to make this movie? Absolutely. Am I going to waste my hard-earned money by going to see it? No fucking way. I urge you all to do the same.

  • July 13, 2003, 12:54 a.m. CST

    What Jesus is saying on the cross..

    by Mister Pink

    is "Eloi, Eloi" ("My God, My God" in Aramaic, not Latin). It's probably from the quotation in Mark where Jesus says "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani" ("My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?") Matthew has Jesus address God by the Hebrew "Eli" instead of the Aramaic "Eloi," but the staement doesn't appear in John at all, which is the Gospel this movie is supposed to based on. (In John, Jesus just says "It is finished," then he croaks). As to the "Ecce Homo" pronunciation, I had three years of college Latin and I was taught that it would have been said like "ek-kay homo" (pronouncing the 'h'). I think the movie must be using Vugate which is from a later period and is not really accurate. That IS Church Latin, though, and Mel is a fraek for Church Latin so that's probably why.

  • July 13, 2003, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Hey anathema1973, re: blaming Christ

    by SamBluestone

    I understand what you mean, but listen, and hear me out: the Holocaust was not perpetrated in the name of God. It was in the name of "the pure race." Evolution and atheism has been used by many people to justify their horrible actions. Don't blame Christ for the actions of a bunch of evil assholes in history. While I am not a practicing Christian, I believe Christ was a beautiful person and would never have condoned ANY of those horrible actions done in his name. Of course, I don't know that, and neither do you. But don't insult the deepest beliefs of others just because of the actions of hypocrites. Christ was a practicing, devout Jew, and would NEVER have advocated the persecution of the Jewish people. It's just simple logic. Do not hate the beliefs of others when you really just hate the people themselves; otherwise, you'd be no better than... well, a Crusader. God bless you, whatever God you believe in (or not, for that matter... He'll/She'll bless you anyway).

  • July 13, 2003, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Moriarty Report

    by Mister Pink

    If you're serious about your "THE Son of God" question, there is an answer. The Gospel of Matthew, like the rest of the New Testament, is written in Greek. Greek has no indefinite article. There is no way to say "A son of God," because there is no "A" in Greek, only "THE." Furthermore, ALL nouns in Greek are accompanied by direct objects. You can't have a noun without a "the." It sounds stupid when you translate this literally in English because you would have to say stuff like "Hand me my the socks and then go make me some hot the soup." But that's just how it is in Classical Greek. So the Greek phrase in Matthew "O Nios tou Theou" is literally "The Son of the God." There is no other way to say it in Greek. As to the rest of your post, I admit that my first post I was just having a bit of fun. I over simplified and hyperbolized some things just to twist up the fundies a little. What I said about Matthew, though is solid, as is the book I recommended. I have degrees in Religious Studies and Classical Languages so I'm not just some jack-off that found some shit on the internet. I know bullshit from legitimate scholarship. Current archaeology in Israel is undermining a lot of Biblical claims. Jericho was a ruin by the 13th century BCE when Joshua supposedly destroyed it. At the time that David and Solomon were supposed to be in ful swing the archaeology shows that there was no Israelite presence in many of the areas claimed by the Bible,and that Jerusalem, the supposed Capital of this kingdom was much less developed than the northern region which Jerusalem was supposedly in control of. Basically, David and Solomon's kingdom were on small local chiefdoms. There never was a unified Israel. Don't take my word for it. Research it for yourself. The archaeology speaks for itself.

  • July 13, 2003, 1:26 a.m. CST

    "ALL nouns in Greek are accompanied by direct objects. "

    by Mister Pink

    That should have said "all nouns are accompanied by DEFINITE ARTICLES." My bad.

  • July 13, 2003, 1:51 a.m. CST

    This is gonna be my year for religious films.

    by Noriko Takaya

    In addition to seeing this, the DVD of "The Message," about the life of Mohammad starring Anthony Quinn just arrived in the post yesterday. Letterbox edition, praise Cthulhu!! I also a few months ago rented "Little Buddha" with Keanu Reeves; it's, uh, interesting. YMMV. A good one: "The Agony and the Ecstasy," about Michaelangelo and the painting of the Sistine Chapel. I really want "The Passion" to match the best religious films in terms of scope and energy and so far it looks as though it does. The trailer is deeply intense. I'm a devout atheist myself but I'll be there for this thing on opening night. Toppu o Nerae!

  • July 13, 2003, 2:56 a.m. CST

    WOW !!!! Mel, you're the man!

    by wanton_wallie

    I just can't believe my favorite actor has turned into one amazing director as well! I know the trailer don't say much about the quality of the actualy film, but I don't really care. Right now its looking like a solid effort from Mel once again! I love you!, now go make Road Fury after this!

  • July 13, 2003, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Now...

    by mooniewawee

    'Jesus' is the Greek version of Joshua, which is a Hebrew word for Saviour or rescuer. 'Christ' is a Greek translation of Messiah, which in Hebrew means Anointed or Chosen One. Christians believe that Jesus was the Chosen One to save the human race from sin and death. The cross is now the major symbol of Christianity. There's also the crucifix - which is a cross with the figure of Jesus on it. But these weren't the original symbols used by Christians... The first was a fish. It was used as a code - if one person drew one half a fish and another person completed it, they secretly knew each other to be Christians. That's because for the first three hundred years being a Christian was punishable by death. This is Greek for "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Saviour." Take the first few letters and you have ICHTHYS, which is Greek for fish. So for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ" Who wrote these stories about Jesus? Not Jesus himself. Other people did, like his followers Matthew, Mark, Luke and John...Over 2000 years people have formed different churches and groups based on the Bible's teachings. Christians worship together in various places and mostly come together on Sunday. This is the first day of the week because it's the day Jesus rose from the dead.

  • July 13, 2003, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Oh anathema

    by The Lizard King

    I'm not a religious scholar but I do know my World War 2 history, and Hitler and his ministers of propaganda did not use the Bible to justify the Holocaust. Hitler's main justification came from Darwin's 'Origin of the Species'. Hitler himself was not a Christian (neither where his higher-ups), but they did create a mythology that was not exclusive to the religious (German belt buckles read "Gott Mittuns" which means "God With Us"). They believed in a Germanic mythology that basically used a generic 'god'. Anathema, what did you hope to accomplish with your post? Your reference to John 8:44 is ridiculous. Jesus was not an anti-semite. Last I recall he was a semite. In that verse Jesus is saying that mankind is born in sin and therefore are 'the children of the Devil'. He is not saying Jews specifically are the children of the Devil (otherwise he'd be the son of God and Satan), he had just been talking to unsaved Jews at the time. The statement could still be considered offensive but it certainly isn't racist. Trying to make it so just shows your sad desperation. Anyway, did you honestly think that people that have been indoctrinated with a belief system from birth (and we all are slaves to our own close-minded world views so don't think you're superior) are suddenly going to change their minds because they read your post (which wasn't even kind enough to explain anything)? Crimsonrage's post was all too correct.

  • July 13, 2003, 3:30 a.m. CST

    READ THIS- LONDON TIMES ARTICLE (today, Sunday)

    by MKiro

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,2774-740095,00.html Looks like Mel is attracting a lot of flak for this movie.... This reports states that his father (a huge influence on him and his religious views) is basically a Nazi..!!

  • July 13, 2003, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Words on the cross

    by Reggae

    The words Jesus speaks on the cross are not Latin but Hebrew. At this point, just before death, He speaks the words from Scripture, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani", that is, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?", an expression of His deep anguish.

  • July 13, 2003, 4:49 a.m. CST

    wtf?!

    by Indrid

    you'd think that with all the painstaking detail that is going into this production that the wouldn't f*ck up some of the little things... like people have pointed out already, "ecce" is pronounced, "ek-ee." but the major thing that pissed me off about the trailer is the placement of the nail in the palm of Christ's hand. historians have concluded that doing this would have shreded the hand, as the carpals(the bones in your hand) are not strong enough to support the weight of a human. instead, it's been brought to light that the nails would actually be driven through the wrist, between the two bones in your forearm. but all this is taken care of by tieing Christ's wrists to the cross.... i call bullsh*t. i could care less about the constraints of reality, and the vfact that actually crucifying a human being is inhumane. Mel set out to recreate the events in Christ's life, but is going for the cheap way out. so much for being historically accurate. Mel = asshat.

  • July 13, 2003, 5:12 a.m. CST

    A lot of pointless shit-stirring...

    by Mujubius

    Maybe its just me, but there seems to be a great deal of gratuitous bickering here. Its honestly a little bit annoying to listen to a bunch of classical scholars trying to one up each other - no offense to those guys. But that doesn't even make me laugh as much as the wrangling between the atheists and the christians (and I am making a broad general sweep when possibly I shouldn't by placing everybody who believes in God in the category of christian). It strikes as a little ironic that it is the atheists who sound the most religiously hysterical. Where the Christians are accepting of their own faith, and those that don't accept it, the atheists fairly scream at people that to be anything other than them is ridiculous. All kinds of conjectural evidence gets torn from the Bible, and thrown at the Christians like badly aimed weapons. But why? Perhaps ironically, the Christians are more tolerant than the "anti-religious fanatics". Most of the atheists I've met have actually had this problem -they spend their time trying to prove Christians wrong. Why should it matter so much? Shouldn't a person be able to believe what they want? (I myself am agnostic). Yes, there has been some bad shit go down in the name of Jesus. But that doesn't make it the fault of the religion, just the fault of the nutters who did it. I could go out tomorrow and murder a thousand people with an egg-whisk in the name of McDonalds, but that doesn't make McDonalds an inherently evil organisation (anymore then they already are...). Moving away from that, lets talk about "The Passion". First, lets establish one important fact. IT'S A MOVIE!!! To whine about historical accuracy, and what parts of the scripture they have or haven't used isn't all that pertinent. I know that Mel's talked up how wonderful it will be, and how accurate it will be, but that makes him different to any other producer/director how? Then, of course, the important stuff - is it anti-semitic? Reports are conflicting about that - but, from what I can tell, if it is, its in a very minor way. Not to be condoned in any circumstance, but why not wait to see rather than jumping to conclusions? Besides, if you want to talk about racial slurring, and the negative portrayal of middle eastern people, let's talk about Disney's Aladdin... And I think its absolutely unconscienable that they would think about removing a key character from "The Passion" - surely they have to leave Tom Bombadil in?

  • Jesus: "Diplomatic immunity" Pontius Pilate: "Has just been revoked!" .............. Missed a trick there, Mel!

  • July 13, 2003, 6:09 a.m. CST

    by Arthas

    That's just looking freekin amazing. I'm not a religios person, but who cares?! Anyone who complains about "historical mistakes" or such crap don't know anything about filmmaking. A film has to have atmosphere, emotion, great music and great pictures. As far you can see from the trailer this movie has everything. Wooooow.

  • July 13, 2003, 6:10 a.m. CST

    my 2cents

    by thevision

  • July 13, 2003, 6:30 a.m. CST

    my 2cents

    by thevision

    Very impressive! Look forward to the film but I read Gibson won't provide sub-titles so it may be grating after a while. I was hoping Gibson would've cast himself as Pontius Pilate, but the actor shown is approriate...has to be better than David Bowie's trance like performance in LAST TEMPTATION and Gary Oldman's hammy acting in Jesus; personally liked Rod Steiger's world weary Pilate in JESUS OF NAZARETH. Cavaziel looks like the "classic" Jesus without the starry-eyed look of Robert Powell and the Charles Manson lookalike of Willem Defoe. Don't know if he was on the list of favorite actor to play Jesus but Chris Sarandon gave a unique performance in "The Day Christ Died," his Jesus was the most "human" of all- in one scene, Jesus is playing a rock tossing game with the apostles and falls down, his apostles rush to him, afraid that Jesus is hurt, but Sarandon opens his eyes one at time and laughs, joking with his apostles! Just want to nitpick on the crucifixtion- the palms weren't nailed, the wrists were! The palms were to weak to hold the weight and would eventually tear through AND "The Last Temptation of Christ" was correct in that the Romans stripped the crucified bare-assed naked without a loincloth; crucifixation was used to humiliate the condemned man and tear away every last shred of dignity, ergo- no stitch of clothing! Since this is AICN and everybody has to post something witty and smartassed about every film I guess I'll do my part and point out that the hooded devil looked like a cross between Sinead O'Connor and William Sadler's Death from "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure!"

  • July 13, 2003, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Was that Phil Collins as Pilate?

    by Andy Travis

  • July 13, 2003, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Visually looks great.

    by Andy Travis

    I'm not religious, so I'll bypass all the Christian vs. Jew vs. Athiests rants and get to the point--it looks great. And I've always liked the idea of using Latin and Aramaic as long as the film was subtitled.

  • July 13, 2003, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Mel Gibson is...

    by Syd Mead

    ....The Road Worshipper. How much cooler would Jesus be with a ratty leather jacket and a sawed off shot gun? Since that won't happen I could care less if Jesus is portrayed as an albino chimp. I'll wait for Fury Road. Thanks.

  • July 13, 2003, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Hmm.

    by _amber_

    Looks quite disturbing. But beautiful. In a disturbing way. What's up with Satan, just hovering around creepily? And being played by a woman? Satan should be some huge computer animted terrifying monstrosity. Or Satan from South Park...he kicks ass.

  • July 13, 2003, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Hulk Hogan as Jesus:

    by disappear here

    Thou art saved, brother.

  • July 13, 2003, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Not going to get into a debate with the bibliography sciences ma

    by JasonDkEldar

    The only other description of the biblical devil that has spooked me is the hard dark marble terrible angel from Anne Rice's Vamp chronicles. From what I saw of this in the short trailer, it seems that people watch one movie about Christ or read one Anti-Christian work in a Comparative Lit class and suddenly assume they know history. It is not just Anti-Christians that argue the details, as most denominations clash over the basic wording of the Bbile like a bunch of Death Penalty Appeal lawyers combing thru transcripts. Big Note to another poster. IT IS NOT HISTROICALLY SHOWN that the men to be crucified would only carry the crossbeam, to be put in a frame work already established.In all honesty the only accounts we have from the time that are not anecdotal letter-writing are from the early Christians, most litereature that would confirm or deny it being lost in fires, raids, or even Heresy proceedings in later Rome. Part of other footage I found showed Simon, the man Roman soldiers paid to carry the cross in the Matthew Gospel. So maybe he is NOT just using the John Gospel, and since the shoooting script is now under lock and key after the ADL sparked up a flame war worthy of a Reloaded talkback, I don;t really blame him for staying close-mouthed about the specifics of the final script. If I could have changed one thing about the footage I saw, it would have been the music being a little more dark and intense and not so bombastic. This I picture as a scene much more worthy of the quiet grace of a good score than Wallace being executed for rebellion. (PS Mel took it on the chin from Brits about THAT film, but I think it was mostly becasuse then some of the more famous medieval kings would have been part Highlander and part French wouldn't they, and not Norman-Saxon. Heh Heh. Guess ol' Mel is not just an anti-Semite but an anti-Normite, too--no offense, Mr Peterson.)

  • July 13, 2003, 9:30 a.m. CST

    A couple of thoughts...

    by Schnorbitz

    Well, yes, I think I will see it when it comes to Britian, although I won't be able to judge the film as just a film on account of the faith that I do have. Perhaps Mel Gibson is hoping that the story will be universal enough not to need subtitles in the same way that the stations of the cross down the side of a Catholic or Episcopal church explain themselves, or that every single image of Holy Week from the last 500 years of art doesn't need subtitles to show that, say, Jesus is in pain on the cross, or that Mary is upset when Jesus has died (in countless Pietas). Of course, there will be a huge market for this film - the most crowded temporary exhibition at the National Gallery in London that I'd ever been to was a collection of images of Christ. As for the trailer, the photography and the music did remind of Gladiator to some degree. As some of the greatest pieces of music ever composed were inspired by the Gospels, it would be a shame to hear even more James Horner. If I was in Mel Gibson's shoes I'd put "Dum Transisset Sabbatum" by John Taverner, a 16th century English composer, over the images. And, gosh, is there a lot of blood here. I've never seen Jesus's wounds from the whipping and falls quite so graphically displayed on his face.

  • July 13, 2003, 10 a.m. CST

    Mel

    by Fangy

    I've not liked Mel's films since Payback when he trashed a Richard Price scritp. I won't watch this either, although I'm sure if Mel made it most likely Jesus survives and kicks Roman ass....

  • July 13, 2003, 11:07 a.m. CST

    I might enjoy watching Christ suffer...

    by NapalmCarcass

    ...but I won't give a dime to this movie or to another mel gibson project.

  • July 13, 2003, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Satan as a woman

    by NapalmCarcass

    Is anybody really suprised that a fundie christer movie would portray the ultimate incarnation of "evil" as a woman? talk about repressed sexuality.

  • July 13, 2003, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Fundamentalists vs. Catholics

    by chrth

    Why is everyone calling this a Fundamentalist Christian film? Mel Gibson is CATHOLIC. The FC's do NOT get along with the Catholics at all, and some (many?) are downright anti-papist (i.e. anti-Catholic). If you're going to criticize a religious group that will enjoy the film, criticize the Catholics, not the FC. Sheesh, get your religions right before you comment.....I really hope he doesn't put in subtitles, although I fear I may start humming Jesus Christ Superstar songs at certain points...

  • July 13, 2003, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Go Mel its your birthday!

    by Mits777

    Way to go Mel to have some balls and get this picture done. Im sure the devil is going to do everything in his power to make sure this film is not a success. Im sick of all the incorrect information given on these postings ive read so far. I encourage everyone out there thats truly interested to read and study up for themselves what the truth is. For all the dumbasses out there who keep complaining about the nail through the wrist argument. Of course the nail was through the hand and the rope was around the wrists to hold him up. This has been proven many times before. If you had a nail through your wrists you would bleed to death very quickly and there would be no point to the torture of the crucifixion. They also done studies on crosses and checked the wing span of the average man and concluded the hand was the only logical place it could have been. 6 to 8 inches further apart from one side to the other than if it was through the wrist. The trailer looks awesome. Bring on the haters!

  • July 13, 2003, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Anti Semites are right, Jews are bad, they killed Jesus...

    by earthworm

    ...relax, I kid. My thoughts. RE Language. I was under the impression that no one really knows what the dead languages sound like, and that it's all educated guesswork. I'm no scholar though. *************RE Religious wars. People are twats. In previous times leaders used Religion to justify wars, land grabs or conquests (the Crusades etc.) Now they use WMD ;-) In short, people in general subvert anything at hand to their purpose, its what makes us good survivors. Sure the next generation will end up as zealots, but that isn't how these things start out. To take an example, the underlying cause of trouble in the Middle East is territory*****************RE Nazis. Darwinism was a much bigger factor in the Holocaust than Catholocism. Some of the propaganda to stir up pograms had some religious overtones, but they also used the usual stereotypes of hooked nosed moneylenders, so you can't really attach any meaningful religious element to it. ****************RE Athiests. Whoever said above that in these TBs its the athiests who act like fundamentalists is correct. ****************** RE Mel Gibson. I do get slightly worried about this for the sole reason that I've heard the same stories about Mel and his Dads views on stuff like religion. Already know where he stands in relation to the English, will he treat Jews in the same way? And here ends the longest post I've ever written. And the Dr Who thing is the best post I've read in a long time.

  • July 13, 2003, 1:47 p.m. CST

    by HeO

    AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME!

  • July 13, 2003, 2:21 p.m. CST

    why original language??????? why ooooh why???

    by drjones

    i have to ask this as a believing christian and student on a franciscan school. the story of jesus (the passion and all the other stories of the bible) should IMO be told and spread out so that everyone can find the answers to some questions that appear in life. so why telling that story into a language NOONE understands?????????? is that logical???????????? can anyone name me a reason???????????? that it is more historical?? i wanna hear jesus`and all the others`powerful words and i wanna UNDERSTAND them....

  • July 13, 2003, 2:39 p.m. CST

    shut up jude verabscheue!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by drjones

  • July 13, 2003, 2:56 p.m. CST

    quosque tandem abutere patientia nostra?

    by CuervoJones

  • July 13, 2003, 3:21 p.m. CST

    So Dr Jones

    by earthworm

    I know what you mean but if you want to "spread the word" and have it in English, doesn't that kind of exclude the vast majority of people who don't speak English? At least this way everyone's in the same boat I suppose

  • July 13, 2003, 3:24 p.m. CST

    his name was...

    by proevad

    YESHUA. NOT JESUS. Jesus is only a name if you're from Mexico...lol... This was explained and pointed out in an above post...and yes it's true, look it up! You would think that knowing the guy's name would be a prerequisite for converting to this religion. "Uh, yeah...I'd like to convert to this religion. "Ok sir, do you know our gods name?" "Uh, no...do I need to know his name? Christ! His mother did not call him Jesus, or Christ, or Joshua, she called him Yeshua because that's what his fucking name was! Also, he was a JEWISH rabbi. He wore his hair in shylocks, he wore a tallit (what do you think the bible is talking about when it mentions the "hem of his garment", and he sure as fuck didn't have blue eyes. He spoke HEBREW, not ARAMAIC--as most of the jews of the time did. I'm not going to debate the crucifiction fuckups. The only known roman crucified body that was found had nail marks through the wrists. I'll let that speak for itself. Historically accurate film my ass... Hutton Gibson (Mel's father), is about "this" close to being a Nazi. He denies the holocaust ever happened and hates Jews. Mel had better come clean with what he believes about the Jewish people, or this film could be the end of his career in Hollywood (which was started by JEWS) This is looking like career suicide.

  • July 13, 2003, 3:32 p.m. CST

    I hope there are no subtitles.

    by PumpyMcAss

    It would distract from the powerful imagery. I hope Mel doesn't puss out. It looks like he's held strong until this point. This will be a fun one to debate upon release.

  • July 13, 2003, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Gibson's had a martyr fixation for his entire career,

    by nightwatchman

    Nice to see he has the chance to exploit the exquisite agony of the biggest martyr. Is this masochism or sadism? Or does it really matter?

  • July 13, 2003, 4:40 p.m. CST

    I always felt sorry for Satan.

    by Psychonaut

    The guy never seemed to have much of a chance. I mean, one day he's God's right-hand man, his best buddy, chief angel and all that, but then these tall monkeys come along and suddenly he's out of the picture. Now, the funny thing is, God made him with the capacity to feel jealousy. He wasn't born, like a human. He was MADE by God, and God made him so that when God got a new best friend, Lucifer was going to get jealous. So, Lucifer raises up his army, and he gets a fair bunch of the other angels on his side as well, and he makes his war on God. But poor guys got to lose, because it's war on God! I mean, God! You make a war on God and you're going to lose, its simple as that. So Lucifer loses and gets cast down and stuff. This is all pretty convenient for God, 'cos now he's got a bogeyman to scare the tall monkeys with. I mean, the existence of Satan and Hell is a pretty fundamental part of the whole thing God's got going on, so you've got to wonder, was it a big set up? Was Lucifer just God's patsy? Created as an angel but always destined to become the Devil? And if he was, God must have made him that way on purpose. Seems like a bit of a bum deal for the poor dude. On the other hand, if God did not make him like that on purpose, that means that God chose as his most trusted assistant, a guy who became the most evil thing in existence which, you've got to admit, means that God is a fairly poor judge of character. That's kind of scary if he's the guy who decides whether you get to Heaven or not. It also means that God's not omniscient, and if he's not omniscient, he's not a God, he's just a really, reallly powerful entity. One day, a more powerful entity might come along and defeat him. Hulk Hogan maybe. "I am the one true God, brother."

  • July 13, 2003, 5:42 p.m. CST

    a word of concern from this Half Scottish, Jewish person

    by ScottishLord825

    Harry you need to ban anyone who spews anit-religious remarks like those of Jude V and webslinga! This is an example of-"Blatant abuse, personal attacks, OFF-TOPIC BS, cross-posting, blatant advertising, and hate speech are all fodder for deletion." Hate speech like this should be cause for banishment. I am appalled by the fact that you won't do anything to remove these Nazi-esque remarks. I hope I am wrong and something will be done asap. Don't let hate breed more hate.

  • July 13, 2003, 5:43 p.m. CST

    wrong Jew

    by m2298

    "Also, he was a JEWISH rabbi. He wore his hair in shylocks." Uhh, that's SIDELOCKS.

  • July 13, 2003, 6:11 p.m. CST

    I really hate these guys

    by ScottishLord825

    What you can't type in English? You have to resort to another language to breed your hateful remarks. Sad sad person.

  • July 13, 2003, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Shylocks

    by proevad

    Oh shit, you're right. That's funny! There's a salon down the street from me called shylock's beauty salon. Guess i had them on the brain. btw, i'm not a jew, but i have played one on tv.

  • July 13, 2003, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Why is everyone missing the point?

    by KCMOSHer

    All this bickering completely bypasses the whole point here. You can't prove anything surrounding this. That's the POINT. It's called faith. If we could prove even a little chunk of it, we wouldn't have to -believe- anything. It's clear that Mel is taking stuff from all of the Scriptures, not one Gospel only. It's clear that he's using artistic license (gasp!) with things not clearly described in the Scriptures. None of this matters, in the slightest. The story is the greatest ever told because it defies all of that. There are certain elements of the story that matter, he's clearly NAILED those (no pun intended). Christ was without fault. He was tried, unjustly, and sentenced to death. He was, effectively, tortured to death. All of this was to pay for our sins. Because He was blameless and because He was God in man, He conquered Hell and death and rose again in three days. The story is told in this trailer. I just told the story. The full film will tell the story. It's the Gospel, it's not a complicated story. Jesus could be played by Bobcat Goldthwait and they should shoot it in ghetto pig-latin (fo'shizzle, Judas) and as long as they got these basic elements accurate, it'd STILL BE THE SAME FUCKING STORY. You will either believe it or you won't. If you do, the Bible says you will live forever. If you don't, you won't. It's just that simple. And I don't need 12 ancient texts, 14 modern treatises on those texts, and a degree in dead languages to tell you this. He was born. He was without sin. He was killed. He rose. That's it.

  • July 13, 2003, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Catholics are evil

    by floridamike

    Reading, reading, reading. Ugh. I've got news for you. Jesus isn't white with blue eyes regardless what he looked like. I thought the trailer looked cool. But isn't this only to further the CATHOLIC belief we should all feel guilty because Jesus died? NOW FOR CAPS TO GET MY POINT ACROSS: ASSUME JESUS IS GOD. HE HAS A CHOICE, 1. UPON RELIZING HUMAN NATURE CANNOT BE CHANGED, DESTROY MANKIND, OR 2. ALLOW OUR HORRIBLE VIOLENCE UPON HIM AND HERE'S THE GOOD PART... DIE. He chooses not to get pissed and start killing the Romans. He doesn't start motherfucking everything and complaining. He takes the "high road", not lowering himself to "human nature" or as I like to call it "being an asshole". It's simple, when your life gets shitty and your faced with pain, death or sadness, you can react like the world is against you or take it all in and still be a good person. Isn't that the message of god. You know human nature will fuck you, you can either become a fuck, or, still be good, nice and spread happiness all around! Hooray!!! That was sarcasm. But really, be good regardless if you feel you're getting the shaft, don't lower yourself to the "devil". Get it? Got it! Good. Buddah rules!!! (He taught Jesus too!) By the way... to prove Catholic are evil, in Mark (whatever the section), Jesus says something like "heaven can be achieved on earth, if we were all good to each other". But that can't be in the bible because we have to feel guilty and fear god's wrath, blah, blah, blah.

  • July 13, 2003, 6:51 p.m. CST

    God Just STFU

    by Jwliv2

    This movie might turn out to be decent, due to all the blood and gore. Too bad Jesus never actually existed. As for you clowns whining about the nails in the hands... you are wrong. If your bodyweight is being supported by nails through your ankles on a cross, the nails in your palms will hold, ok? Goddamn idiots, just stfu.

  • July 13, 2003, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Ah, Peter Gabriel ...

    by Thing-Fish

    Peter Gabriel is a god! Just like I am, by the way. And I condemn Mel Gibson for being such an annoying person.

  • July 13, 2003, 7:35 p.m. CST

    JEEBUS

    by TomVee

    My film version of the Life of Jesus will cast someone who looks like Dustin Hoffman rather than Jeffrey Hunter. Maybe Ringo Starr, even.

  • July 13, 2003, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Jesus Save Me...From your Followers! But Serioulsy, I have an of

    by Corporateplant

    and let me tell you. I'll be glad to put my chips in with Mephisto and the crew. My Post?: Angel of Dissention! That's right, discord and dissagreement will be my fort

  • July 13, 2003, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Um, Harry, can you please ban Jude Verabscheue?

    by Sith Lord Sauron

    From what I've translated of his gibbrish he's a racist anti-semite and an actual member of some kind of Neo-Nazi group. Fuck you, Jude Verabscheue, stupid bigot shitball. This is a movie news site not one of your dumbass white-power sewers. Go crawl back into your 19th-Century hole.

  • July 13, 2003, 10:32 p.m. CST

    POWERFUL STUFF

    by mr macphisto

    By far one of the most powerful trailers i have ever witnessed!Whne the guards throw Judas the money to betray jesus it gives me goosebumps everytime.Such a powerful looking film that i hope will show people what jesus did for us,the pain and agony he went through.I personally now can not wait for it to come out!

  • July 13, 2003, 10:32 p.m. CST

    POWERFUL STUFF

    by mr macphisto

    By far one of the most powerful trailers i have ever witnessed!Whne the guards throw Judas the money to betray jesus it gives me goosebumps everytime.Such a powerful looking film that i hope will show people what jesus did for us,the pain and agony he went through.I personally now can not wait for it to come out!

  • July 13, 2003, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Re: What did they say?

    by zinc_chameleon

    He said: "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabacthani." That's Aramaic for "God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Check your reference to the Rolling Stones' 'Sympathy for the Devil'.) Jesus was definitely an outsider, most likely an Essene. The Essenes wore their hair long, and were considered homeless drifters by the Sanhedrin. But what a DVD this will make. It'll need a least eight languages: English, French, Spanish (probably Basque), Italian, modern Greek, koine Greek, classical Greek, classical Latin, Medieval Church Latin, Portugese, Korean...and I haven't even got to the Philipinos yet!

  • July 13, 2003, 11:21 p.m. CST

    The Passion

    by dogtag

    Wow, the movie isn't even out yet and somehow we've got a bunch of experts on its editing, music, the use of subtitles, and Mel's supposed hatred of Jews, to name just a few. Amazing. For those who can actually read, there WILL be subtitles, in English. How about actually seeing the film before reviewing it?

  • July 13, 2003, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Apologies to webslinga and my long post...

    by ScottishLord825

    Sorry about that. No it doesn't scare me I just don't want to see anti-semetic remarks or racist remarks period. Again my mistake--I hope all is forgiven. Anyway that SOB needs to be banned and kudos (or is it cudos?), to Sith Lord Sauron! As for anyone making coments for example,that shitbag KKK piece of shit asshole with his Nazi-esque opinions, and Heretosavenobody as well, they need to be banned and shunned by other TBers. This is a movie website and we should discuss film only. There is no need to discuss religion on this site. Furthermore like I have said before am Jewish and take great offense to not only anti-semetic remarks, but any remarks intended to offend anyone based on their religion, race and color. It is a shame that ignorant pieces of garbage like those mentioned before get to post their absurd opinions. Harry if you have any decency you will ban and erase these posts of those who seek to breed hate and spew their volatile remarks. As for the movie coming from my persepctive it looks interesting, however if the truth about Mel Gibson is reality--I for one will not be seeing his film, nor will I take part in any film that he directs, acts, produces, etc. in the future. Finally I ask all decent people on these boards to fight against hate and intolerance. Thank you ScottishLord ps-any errors grammatic or otherwise are because I rarely spellcheck..thanx

  • July 13, 2003, 11:31 p.m. CST

    and one more thing

    by ScottishLord825

    And when I said SOB I didn't mean Webslinga. What did you say in English though 'slinga--if you may? Thanks again SC825

  • July 14, 2003, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Don't worry ...

    by Aristophila

    I, as a german speaking person, just want to tell you that the messages of "Jude Verabshcue" are not proper german ! It seems like - with an internet program badly translated gibberish ! It hardly makes sense. He obviously is not speaking german ! So I guess that person (asshole - whatever you wanna call it) is just trying to be "funny" and offensive but I doubt there's anything behind it. Still it's sick and disgusting and should be deleted !!!!

  • July 14, 2003, 12:07 a.m. CST

    I CAN'T VIEW IT.... ITS NOT LOADING

    by villiee_marsha

    Am I the only one who can't view it? I tried it yesterday and it doesn't work, and now it still doesn't work. I'm beginning to believe all you guys know each other and are viewing it on some secret server or something..... IT'S NOT WORKING!!!!!! THIS IS INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING????????????????????????????????????? HOW CAN I VIEW THE TRAILER??????????????????????????????????????????????????

  • July 14, 2003, 12:08 a.m. CST

    I CAN'T VIEW IT.... ITS NOT LOADING

    by villiee_marsha

    Am I the only one who can't view it? I tried it yesterday and it doesn't work, and now it still doesn't work. I'm beginning to believe all you guys know each other and are viewing it on some secret server or something..... IT'S NOT WORKING!!!!!! THIS IS INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING????????????????????????????????????? HOW CAN I VIEW THE TRAILER??????????????????????????????????????????????????

  • July 14, 2003, 12:09 a.m. CST

    I CAN'T VIEW IT.... ITS NOT LOADING

    by villiee_marsha

    Am I the only one who can't view it? I tried it yesterday and it doesn't work, and now it still doesn't work. I'm beginning to believe all you guys know each other and are viewing it on some secret server or something..... IT'S NOT WORKING!!!!!! THIS IS INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING????????????????????????????????????? HOW CAN I VIEW THE TRAILER??????????????????????????????????????????????????

  • July 14, 2003, 12:10 a.m. CST

    I CAN'T VIEW IT.... ITS NOT LOADING

    by villiee_marsha

    Am I the only one who can't view it? I tried it yesterday and it doesn't work, and now it still doesn't work. I'm beginning to believe all you guys know each other and are viewing it on some secret server or something..... IT'S NOT WORKING!!!!!! THIS IS INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING????????????????????????????????????? HOW CAN I VIEW THE TRAILER??????????????????????????????????????????????????

  • July 14, 2003, 12:11 a.m. CST

    GOOD STUFF

    by Jon E Cin

    I am not religious but I really want to see this. Looks great

  • July 14, 2003, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Crappy Jack re: Reworkin Madness

    by wato

    Uh yeah. Why can't we get more original movies? Why are we re-making such a dull topic when all of Hollywood's attention should be on creating the original, thought provoking, intellectually tuned and honest work that it normally produces?

  • July 14, 2003, 12:42 a.m. CST

    About those quotes, heretosaveyouall...

    by zenda

    ...they are so Old Testament! This flick is New Testament. Get with the program, my friend!

  • July 14, 2003, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Best Pontious Pilate ever?

    by zenda

    Has to be Barry Dennen.

  • July 14, 2003, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Support

    by TheDarkMage

    I just want to say that if there was ever a movie that all of us should go out and support, it's this one.. Who isn't sick of all the bullshit in hollywood these days? The "Leagues of Extrordinary Gentlement" , The "Dumb and Dumberers", The "Hot Chicks" and The "Another Stupid Sequel XVII"s... We need to show Hollywood that there most important demographic, i.e. us, is tired of the crap, and supports bold and courageous movies like this. I don't care whether or not there are subtitles: I'll be there on opening night, and gladly pay my $14: far better to give it to a brave movie like this, then to piss it away on all the other Hollywood Crap these days..

  • July 14, 2003, 1:50 a.m. CST

    It goes against Gibson's whole original idea to have subtitles.

    by PumpyMcAss

    I hope the subtitles thing is just a rumor. I would love to see a movie that just lets the images speak for themselves. With this story, that would be entirely possible. Sad, sad news.

  • July 14, 2003, 1:57 a.m. CST

    I`ve just started this site: JESUS GANGBANG.COM

    by chien_sale

    For anyone who`s interested...

  • July 14, 2003, 2:03 a.m. CST

    My Goddess, pursued_by_bear, Rollins nailed it right on the the

    by Sith Lord Sauron

    I'd like to see *his* version of the life of Christ. The soundtrack alone would rule the earth. Hey: what I'd like to see is someone with a lot of money and pull turn Venom's "At War With Satan" into a movie. In it; de debbil launches a surprise attack on heaven, wreaks massive havoc, etc and it's up to the Archangel Gabriel to save the day. Imagine the FX! The battle scenes! "And war broke out in heaven. . ."Mmmmm, me like. *Sniff* Sniff* Pewww! What's that?! Oh, is Jude Verabscheue still stinking up this place? Aiight, where's me bat. . .

  • July 14, 2003, 2:08 a.m. CST

    What it could be...

    by bryhut

    SO SHORT A TRAILER!!! But yet so f'ing powerful! This movie has the potential to be the (to me) most influential and thought-provoking religious movie since Marty hacked away at The Last Temptation of Christ. Thank you Mel (I hope) for having the balls to make a movie that will sway my agnostic soul and move my mind!

  • July 14, 2003, 2:11 a.m. CST

    the interesting things about the music...

    by nuprin

    ...is that it's track number 5 from the score to Rabbit-Proof Fence by Peter Gabriel...who in turn, also wrote music for The Last Temptation of Christ...

  • July 14, 2003, 2:31 a.m. CST

    ...by the way, FloridaMike...

    by nuprin

    ...Jim Caveizel playing Jesus in the movie doens't have blue eyes (or at least I read that the cinematographer Caleb Deschanel did something to desaturate blue eyes in general on this film). The fact is that this is THE most Sematic-looking Jesus ever on film...seeesh, I hear all the "white Jesus" b.s. brought up on this film when the filmmakers tried to fix that this time around (at least Judas won't have a Jersey accent...ahem...Harvey Kietel...) And FloridaMike, you got the Catholics all wrong, dude...

  • July 14, 2003, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Chien_Sale is a great big lier.

    by McCormic

  • July 14, 2003, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Chien_Sale is a great big lier.

    by McCormic

    I wanted to see Jesus getting it on. . .

  • July 14, 2003, 5:52 a.m. CST

    IM NOT RELIGIOUS AT ALL BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE HELL OF A PO

    by JimmyRabbit

    I think the story of Jesus is a great STORY just like LOTR etc. and if done right( which seems so) Mel will deliver an emotion-filled movie, ACADEMY: RESERVE SOME OSCARS

  • July 14, 2003, 5:53 a.m. CST

    I didn't know they had sunblock in 1st century Palestine

    by Summer_Pudding

    or maybe they didn't have enough iron in their diets. Did the colour correction guys decide brown didn't have enough impact, or could it be that arabic faces in a christ flick are unacceptable?

  • July 14, 2003, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Mel Gibson and his dad...

    by hrothgar_cyning

    The *Sunday [London] Times* quotes Mel Gibson saying "Neither I nor my film are anti-semitic" but goes on to make the following points: <<Hutton has long been a Holocaust-denier and openly associates with some of America

  • July 14, 2003, 9:06 a.m. CST

    This movie's been done already! (link)

    by PoonTownRat

    http://www.nationallampoon.com/flashbacks/wg/hjintro.html Third one down...Jesus as action hero.

  • July 14, 2003, 9:38 a.m. CST

    The nails in the palms were just to cause pain.

    by rev_skarekroe

    His weight was supported by his feet and the ropes on his arms. But what I REALLY want to know is, why did all the women have shaved eyebrows? sk

  • July 14, 2003, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ sodomizes kittens and uses the blood for lube.

    by BuLLeT_TiMe

    That is all. Good day.

  • July 14, 2003, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Wow.

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    For better or worse - this shit is getting fascinating. Polls are showing that whilst the rest of the world is beoming less and less actively religious - the US is getting more so. Is this a recruitment video? Where's Kirk Cameron?

  • July 14, 2003, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Maybe I'm missing something...

    by morGoth

    ...but, just because we have a more graphic depiction of the gore, this suddenly turns Mel's pic into the Second Coming of Moviedom? Hey, before anybody flames me, I'm a Christian too and the story itself gets me worked up but just because it's bloodier doesn't mean it's greater. From a strictly movie POV, color me yawning. I think some people are trying way too hard on this one and I agree about all the pasty skinned Arabs looking like they just got out of a two year basement session of Bible study.

  • July 14, 2003, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Hulk Hogan and sexy tomboy beanpoles ...

    by Thing-Fish

    Jesus is the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet!! They should make a version with Hulk Hogan as Jesus: "They don't know what they're doing, brother!"

  • July 14, 2003, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Hulk Hogan and sexy tomboy beanpoles ...

    by Thing-Fish

    Jesus is the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet!! They should make a version with Hulk Hogan as Jesus: "They don't know what they're doing, brother!"

  • July 14, 2003, 5:58 p.m. CST

    about atheists . . .

    by GypsyTRobot

    "Most of the atheists I've met have actually had this problem -they spend their time trying to prove Christians wrong." You should realize you are talking VOCAL atheists. I'm sure I'm not the only godless TB'er (or human being in general) who restrains themselves (at least some of the time) when religious topics come up. People should be free to worship or not as they see fit, free from harrassment. and that's all this atheist/agnostic robot with a dash of Buddhism has to say about it.

  • July 14, 2003, 6:39 p.m. CST

    anti-semitic?

    by holiwood98

    I'm still confused as to how the story of Jesus' life could be anti-semitic in any way? I mean, according to the Bible, the Jews are God's chosen people...his Son was born a Jew. It also states that God the Father created ALL people...Jesus said he came to save/die for ALL people...and that He loves ALL people. If you are a believer, there's really no room there to be anti-anyone. The point of telling the story of Christ's life isn't to condemn who killed him...anyone could have physically killed him...it's to try and help people know the significance of his death and resurrection. If you don't believe that significance...cool...once we know our options, we all choose either to believe or not.

  • July 14, 2003, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Resurrection EXPLAINED!!!

    by iopf

    You christians got the ressurection all wrong. God, heaven, blah blah blah had nothing to do with it. When Jesus was on the cross he realized he was in the Matrix and it took about one month for him to recover before he became "the one" (Neo v1.0) heh heh jk (oh crap Im goin to hell) Seriously though I bet this flick will make some serious cash as proved through this talkback. I'd say about 98% of us wanna see this flick. Oh yeah and did anyone else laugh at the end of the trailer when Jesus rises? For some reason it looks like it was ripped from an action movie like Bad Boys or somethin...just watch it again and pay closer attention

  • July 14, 2003, 10:27 p.m. CST

    okay

    by ScottishLord825

    Thanks for the backup Sauron, if you have a bat I will get a gun. What a fucking asshole stupid Nazis. And also thanks for the translation Webslinga. Scottish

  • July 14, 2003, 10:33 p.m. CST

    stupid quotes by stupid people

    by ScottishLord825

    Oh and Heretosaveyouall youre a no good piece of shit for your opinions on my people. How dare you say that everybody hates Jews. Your boss, the furher is dead so get over it already.

  • July 15, 2003, 2:46 a.m. CST

    wow, the "architect" was right....

    by Meleractor

    this "savior"does work. (I personally believe jesus was a vorlon, which explains a lot if you think about it.)***************FREE YOUR MIND******************** ((((( IMAM (a beat) I see. Well, even if you don't believe in God, it doesn't mean He won't be -- RIDDICK You don't see. Riddick shrugs into the harness, snugs it down. RIDDICK (CONT'D) 'Cuz you don't spend half your life in lock-down with a horse-bit in your mouth and not believe. And you surely don't start out in a liquor store trash bin with an umbilical cord wrapped around your neck and not believe. Oh, absolutely I believe in God. And I absolutely hate the fucker.))))))) pitch black

  • July 15, 2003, 2:50 a.m. CST

    wow the "architect" was right...

    by Meleractor

    this "savior" STUFFdoes work. (I personally believe jesus was a vorlon, which explains a lot if you think about it.)***************FREE YOUR MIND******************** ((((( IMAM (a beat) I see. Well, even if you don't believe in God, it doesn't mean He won't be -- RIDDICK You don't see. Riddick shrugs into the harness, snugs it down. RIDDICK (CONT'D) 'Cuz you don't spend half your life in lock-down with a horse-bit in your mouth and not believe. And you surely don't start out in a liquor store trash bin with an umbilical cord wrapped around your neck and not believe. Oh, absolutely I believe in God. And I absolutely hate the fucker.))))))) pitch black.....that's better.

  • July 16, 2003, 10:10 p.m. CST

    The real message

    by HC3377

    Looking forward to seeing this film and found all the comments interesting. The bottom line is... Jesus died for all of us - it doesn't matter if you go to church or what you say about Him - God still loves you unconditionally. Use your God given free will to expand your consciousness and raise awareness of spirituality. There's no surer path to bringing peace and joy into your life.

  • July 17, 2003, 10:18 a.m. CST

    The Passion

    by shemt

    If, just for argument sake, we could assume 1)there is a God and a Satan and that they (God and Satan) are exactly as portrayed in the Bible; 2)that mankind and his/her condition (i.e. fallen, sinful, etc) is also true; 3)that some would accept and pursue a higher spiritual plane toward God while others accept and pursue their fallen nature and Satan. Then, wouldn't it make sense that those who believe in God and want to pursue Him would be inclined to see "The Passion" as an uncomfortable but honest representation of their belief while unbelievers would see it as an ignorant pursuit unworthy of comment? So, why so much foment? Is this making us all aware of something deep within us that we want to ignore and repress? If the movie is not true, why not ingore it? If it is true, why not deal with that overwhelming pressure in your chest and get honest with yourself and God?

  • July 17, 2003, 11:28 p.m. CST

    The jesus myth

    by Quint75

    y'shua was NOT ha-moshiach (The Messiah, for you christians who don't get it.) who will come in the end of days. The purpose of the messiah of Israel was and still is to redeem the Jews in front of the whole world. To set your fuckin gentile asses straight. Not to save your sorry ass geek souls. Learn the concept before you hijack it from the Jews and than have the Chutzpah to tell them what's what.

  • July 18, 2003, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Well if you don't understand it then READ THE BIBLE!

    by bombass1

    but I guess it's easier said than done for many people!

  • July 18, 2003, 1:27 a.m. CST

    ICHI OMO? Are you kidding?

    by numberface

    It's Ecce Homo.. And if you don't know what it means, don't ask me. I haven't a fucking clue.

  • July 18, 2003, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Angry quint75

    by Auliya

    I just have to say wow aren't you an angry little Jew. It's so sad to see people out there who claim to be a certain religion and step on, crush, and talk shit about other people's religions. This is not coming from a Christian. I am a believer in many things, but I found it sad that a member of one of the oldest faiths in the world is so faithless and enjoys demeaning other religions. No apologies given and I don

  • July 19, 2003, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Want subtitles?

    by jcb1979

    Bring a bible to the theater! Why are you bitching for subtitles when you have all the dialogue you need in the New Testament.

  • July 19, 2003, 3:50 p.m. CST

    The Overwhelming Ignorance on display!

    by Paladin1

    I have read through about 2 dozen of these so-called posted, and for the most part, the ignorance on display is over-whelming! To those who are are now ex-Gibson fans, I am sure he won't notice your passing nor your disapproval of his career choices. For those who lack the intellect to voice their opposition to "The Passion" without resorting to obscene language or supposedly shocking comments, well this movie is really about you! Yes, this movie depict the man, who many of us believe, made the ultimate sacrifice so that when and if you ever develop a functional brian, you might be able to repent and be saved. I know you are laughing now, but it is out of ignorance, which has been displayed in your posted here! And for those of you who think this is a re-run of the "Last Temptation", well from what I have seen on the trailer, this is like comparing the movie "The Longest Day" to "Saving Private Ryan". Both are good movies in their own right, but "Saving Private Ryan" is the first movie to give us as near an accurate picture of what it was like on those beach heads durning that battle, where as "The Longest Day" tells the same story, but leaves out the depth of emotion that can only come from being confronted with the true carnage of war. Anyone who is somewhat versed in History and the effects of the devices used to torture Christ before his crucifixion will agree that "The Passion", based on this trailer, accurately depicts the wounds, pain and suffering Christ endured, the "Last Temptation" gave the "Lite" version of this, which is an injustice to the event. Finally for those who are offended by it, well I guess the truth hurts sometimes! You folks have no problem insulting and offending Christians as you see fit, so it is hard us Christians to muster a hint of concern when you are offended! After seeing this trailer, I can hardly wait to see this movie! If you don't like it, don't go see it, i.e. the advantage of seeing the trailer before spending your money on a ticket. I truly am thankful that Mr.Gibson chose to make this movie, and if it is half as good as the trailer would indicate, I suspect it will be "The Christian" movie for some time to come. For those who don't understand it, we will pray for the veil of ignorance and confusion to be lift, so that you might understand and see the Light. I also think that for each person that becomes an 'Ex-Gibson' fan, he will gain 3 new fans!

  • July 22, 2003, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Thought many of you might find this post (while a tad old) usefu

    by todd bombadil

    (and i apologize if this is old news for (m)any of you...) Mel Gibson interview ROME, MARCH 6, 2003 (Zenit.org).- Oscar winning actor-director Mel Gibson is in Rome these days, working on a film on the passion of Christ at the Cinecitt

  • Aug. 11, 2003, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Heart Pounding

    by chapeau

    Wow! I am so incredibly proud of Mel for going against the grain of Hollywood! Not only am I excited and anxious to see the film, but I'm excited to be able to share and converse thoughts with my friends, family, and strangers about the amazing passion and love that the Lord our God had and has for us shown through the film and more importantly... the Bible. Thank God for Mel Gibson and his crew for spreading the good and truthful news across a world of hate, deceit, and sin! My prayers are with them.

  • Oct. 16, 2003, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Pass-ive agnostic

    by tr8tr

    After seeing this trailer, I am intrigued, but will reserve judgement until after I see the movie. I love Mel, Jim Caviezel, and Monica Belucci. Great cast, brilliant realism. This will probably be the most controversial movie ever played and is probably the best depictions of one of the greatest books of fiction ever written. And, well, as for being saved, I'm quite positive that Zeus will welcome this poor soul into his hallowed halls if JC won't. It's amazing (and heartwrenching) to me how one little book can divide a world, incite hate and anger, and erase the older generations of deities we as human beings once used to get us through the tough times. The message of the Bible should be about inclusion, not exclusion; tolerance, not intolerance. I'm not sure if "The Passion" will try to make a grander statement on broad theology, or just try to replay The Bible as if it were a Shakespearean play. I'd be impressed if it did the former, not the latter. If it does the latter, it proves to me that Mel is a zealot.

  • Oct. 17, 2003, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Viva Mel Gibson...

    by thethirdheaven

    God Bless you Mel Gibson. I hope thousands come to Christ because of your efforts regarding your film of the last twelve hours of Jesus. The Hollywood crowd will never GET IT unless the veil is lifted from their eyes by the Holy Spirit. God Bless America and Israel.

  • Jan. 17, 2004, 2:40 a.m. CST

    The Passion

    by LovedByJesus

    I can't wait to watch this film as it makes such an effort to portray the ongoings during the time of Christ's crucifixion! Merely taking the slightest glimpse of what He endured so that we may be saved from the eternal gates of hell and live with our everlasting God is awesome! This film is indeed not trying to express hatred toward any group, but only telling it as it is. "For God so loved the world that He gave His One and Only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." -- John 3:16. "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." -- Acts 4:12. And thank God that salvation is for everyone who puts their trust in Him. For all of you who doubt the reality of Christ, give Him a chance and you'll see what it is about this Jesus that everyone talks about, even after thousands of years following His death and resurrection. It is indeed comforting and encouraging to know that even if you don't believe in Him, He still believes in you and loves you just as much; and that He still died for you regardless of how you respond to Him.

  • March 31, 2004, 11:05 p.m. CST

    passion

    by EvilDevil

    i think the passion is a good movie, and a great piece of art, and should not be taken as a 'historical documentary'. I mean, if you want history read a book or do research. The movie is meant to 'move' people, not educate them, that doesnt mean it cannot have some historical content to make it more belieable and more beautiful. It is true that the bible was written by many human hands, there is always a context of human error in it. But if that was the focus of it, then all our historical texts are wrong then (or historical importance). Plus the bible is not a history book, or a newsweek paper. It didnt focus on 'concrete news report', it was an eyewitness account and oppinions of the time (and even eyewitness accounts are not all that reliable sometimes). But it enbodies the essence of the times. If you think this film cannot be taken seriously because is not 'historically accurate 100%' then so be it, but that doesnt mean it should be banned or taken out because of that. I regret to find that many people with different religious views and beliefs seem to like to take to 'christian bashing'. so maybe the bible is not a 100% fool proof, that is your interpretation. the bible is a tool for guidance for people, not an encyclopedia, and second you have no right to bash someone elses religion if you have no business or not believe in the bible. That kind of criticism is not right. Second i dont like fanatics and hate groups, you miss the whole spirit of the bible and religion. By giving to hatred and fear, you miss the light and love of God. To the Atheists, i think if you dont believe in God is ok. I know some that dont and they are cool with it and with me. But just because you dont believe doesnt mean you can be a jackass and act like that. You cannot push your 'believes' into other, you are no better than the fanatics or the other groups that seem to enjoy their time bashing other people for the most ridiculous reasons. I may be wrong, but i cannot stand seen this group acting like 10 year olds. This is a movie, and nothing more. Dont push your agenda to convert, or disprove anything. We should talk about this piece as if it was a work of art, a symbol that represents to a group of people, and its meaning. If you believe that the bible is nothing but myth fine. But the greeks and the romans, and other cultures, believe that their myths were/are real (this is the christian myth, a myth of truth). You gain nothing by trying to dismiss it, and push your such opinion in others. Jesus was our messiah, he was a jew and a rabbi who wanted to change the state of things in his time, yet he was persecuted and hated. (jesus was not anti-semite, nor his followers since they were semites). Not because of his belief, not because of his origin, but because of the truth. He was sentenced by corrupt judges that had their own agenda (that happened to be jews), tortured and executed by Romans. But his followers yet staid with him, why? if you think he was all a lie, then he could had fool them and me... The person that play Jesus in the movie is great. Some were worried that this was going to be a white/blue eyes jesus, but he is not. as for the beard and appearance is not accurate with a first century jewish/middle eastern, how do you know if jesus didnt have a beard or long hair? (he could had as much as we know or maybe not. thats like saying that there were no jews with beard or long hair...). if he was an outcast of society, he could have grown a bear and look like a hippie or homeless... and i agree with that possibility. now let us go back to the business of talking movies, instead of religion basing, scholar bashing, or just bashing. there is no room for that here...