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THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN review

LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN is a film that requires a complicated review. You see the film is neither great nor terrible, but both all at once.

You see when it is working, I was transported, when it isn’t, I’m laughing at just how awful it is. The result is ultimately a very frustrating film experience for someone that wanted so much for the film to soar, but ultimately is just an unfulfilling experience.

Now before you go… If you love the comic and you’re expecting to see that first wonderful adventure of Alan Moore and Kevin O’Neill on screen, well… DON’T. Changes are rampant throughout the film. I’d made my peace with most of these changes, figuring that I’d just let the film attempt to just entertain me as though the comic never existed, because after all… they are capturing the original tone of the material, even if it isn’t the original story.

That being said, many of the changes just don’t work. It isn’t that I’m against change, it was just not for the better.

The Tom Sawyer addition is and has been the most controversial change for fans of the original material. He’s there for a couple of reasons. One, he’s an entry character for Americans that seemingly won’t be able to otherwise associate with these heroes, unless one of their own is in the foray. Personally, there’s no “American” in PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN, and I believe you’ll see that film do fine, and that folks will associate just great. But, fine… he’s there. More importantly he’s there to give Connery’s Quatermain a surrogate son character to teach and care for and to remind him of the son he lost on a prior adventure. That’s a noble and nice character beat to shoot after, but it just doesn’t work for me. Sawyer is also there to give Mina Harker a possible romantic attachment closer to her “visual” age. The problem with this is that it weakens the characters of both Quatermain and Mina Harker. Originally in the comic they found solace in each other in a manner of speaking. Mina was the leader in the original comic, and Quatermain was one of her heroes, a fallen one… riddled with doubt, angered by his aging… in many ways a hero having to learn to be one again. INSTEAD, that rather interesting character arc is divided and spread out to an additional character that… frankly isn’t really necessary and is ultimately unsatisfying. PLUS – it is just hard sometimes to just get past the obvious literary problems with having Sawyer portrayed the way he is here. Most don’t remember Twain’s TOM SAWYER, DETECTIVE children story, but the key problem is… Tom Sawyer was 12 before the start of the Civil War, meaning that in 1899, he’d be nearing his mid fifties at least… And certainly wouldn’t be the inheritor of the 20th Century as stated in the film. Personally going with a character like Tom Swift or Horatio Alger if you had to go with an American literary character, would have made far more sense, but alas… this is ultimately a very small problem in a film with bigger problems.

Now I said earlier that there was quite a bit that I did like… and before my review gets too dominated with “PROBLEMS,” I want to go into some of what I liked... and even loved, but... First off, the day before I saw LEAGUE, I got the following letter from comic co-creator Kevin O’Neill:

“I have seen LEAGUE and it is SPECTACULAR!!!!

Hi Harry, Kevin O’Neill here. I am the co creator of the LEAGUE comic book

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is an alternate reality treatment of our source material. Alan and I got to play with many fictional icons and now the filmmakers get to play with them in their version – and what a wild and spectacular time they have!!!! Great makeup and special effects, lush production design and a wonderful cast. Tony Curran runs close to the creepiness of Hawley Griffin and Peta Wilson is smart and beautiful as Mina Harker and deserves a lot more screen time.

Sure I’d like to have seen our Nautilus on screen and Mina leading the group…but Sean Connery (our original model for Quatermain, by the way) is an icon playing and icon. Given the odds of anything coming close to the source in movies, our title has been treated with rare good taste.

Fans of the comic with open minds will really enjoy the film!”

That letter gave me quite a bit of hope. And when I went to see the film I was comforted by the fact that one of the comic’s original creators seemed to enjoy the hell out of the film and have only minor regrets. That’s a good start.

Well as the movie started, everything was going good. Other than a badly designed “Phantom” villain, everything else was going smoothly for me till we got Hyde in chains. This sequence is one of the few laughably awful moments in the film. The audience of “critics” I saw the film with were laughing out loud by how terrible this scene was. Now, I want to be clear here… I like the make up on HYDE, love the “hunt” scene leading up to this one. Watching him run across the rooftops of Paris is a great pleasure. Watching Quatermain hunt him and guide his movements and forcing Hyde into his trap… All very good, very happy… But then Hyde is in chains, has a bit of dialogue… ok, still good, then he goes to transform back into Jekyll and… whew… For me, the greatest character transformation in film history is David Naughton’s werewolf change in AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON. For me, nothing in the world of CG has ever been this real, this brutal and that perfect. Here.. EDGE FX’s Hyde looks good, looks, as O’Neill says, nearly exactly like his illustration, but the transformation back is terrible. It seems the idea was to do it all with make up, but it just went horribly wrong. You see, they have these lovely appliances of Hyde in various mid-moments of transformation back into Jekyll and it seems the plan was to have the actor in the various appliances twist for the camera, cut… put him in a new one, twist the other way, cut, put him in a new one till they ultimately had no make up at all and Jason Flemyng is left standing there… shivering. CLUMSY, FUNKY, BAD. It’s just a moment, but the sort of SO AWFUL moment that you’re left gasping at how on earth it could possibly be in a film that at this point was quite nicely put together.

You see, before that moment, we had all the main character introductions and they were nicely handled.

Connery in Africa was nice as Quatermain… every bit the legend you’d expect. Naseeruddin Shah as Captain Nemo exudes cool. Tony Curran’s Rodney Skinner (a Invisible Man character) may be a poor substitute for Jack Griffin’s barely constrained homicidal original Invisible man, but he’s still a nice character – and I like the application of the crème make-up and the way the actor played that. Very nice. Peta Wilson’s Mina Harker is note perfect, I just wish there was a lot more of her.

Now, Stuart Townsend’s Dorian Gray is a new character… and an interesting foil / companion with Peta’s Mina Harker. Ultimately, he wasn’t in the original comic, and here serves to divide and take attention off of Mina and Quatermain’s relationship – which I guess just wasn’t “sexy enough” as written in the comic, hell it wasn’t sexy at all… it was just well written. HOWEVER, Dorian Gray is a very nice character in his own right here, even if Stuart’s disaffected blasé performance can get a bit too self-aware at times, it works.

Hell, even the introduction of Sawyer’s character isn’t bad, it’s quite nice. The way he gets Quatermain to allow him to join was nicely done.

Prior to that Hyde transformational misstep, the only moments that hadn’t worked for me were each and every moment that the Phantom was on screen. His look is just… TERRIBLE. I hated this character. And not in an “earned” way, but in a “this is a horribly realized character,” way. His look is just pure bad TV comic book villain look. His acting, bad. The only thing about him that’s cool is his plan, which I won’t spoil, but he and all his henchmen suck on screen. They’re just bad characters, especially in light of the “heroes” on board. And when you get to all the twists and the end showdown between Quatermain and the Phantom… there’s a simple problem. The actor playing the Phantom is a good actor in a bad part, but what’s worse is… NOT FOR ONE SECOND do I accept that his face wouldn’t be turned into a “catcher’s mitt” the second Connery hauled off and slugged him. Had there been a badass MAN playing this role… someone like a Sean Bean type of actor… someone that I believe might be able to humanly survive one of Connery’s John Wayne/Yakima Canutt style from the shoulder “Punches Of Death” and might even be able to throw a punch that I would believe could phase or even cause Connery to perhaps blink… But this fucking creampuff pansy they put opposite Quatermain… TERRIBLE.

You see… In a HERO and VILLAIN film – your heroes are only as great as your villains make them. As a result – while I may like the “heroes” of this film, the villains are all just completely half-assed. I kept wondering why the villain even needed to make an appearance at any of the “missions” that he went on. He wanted to keep his identity secret – and given the literary origins of the true identity of the Phantom, he would NEVER go on missions – he was a master manipulator, a man of shadows, someone that just never left his lair yet controlled or aspired to control the world beyond, so that one day he would emerge in his rightful position as the master of all he surveyed. If you were to actually place that character against Quatermain – it’d be hopeless… The Phantom would have planned for his escape had a force assaulted his headquarters… there’d been secret passages, pneumatic transportation, and the fact is… Quatermain would never have been so lucky as to even land a punch, but unfortunately – the character is so badly written and realized that he comes across as a mildly clever regular run-of-the-mill villain. Ultimately… that’s sad.

What I love about the film is the visual look, the design (with the exception of the Phantom and the Car). When you have a film that has so much beauty and exception creativity placed in the visual manifestation of the project, it hurts to feel let down by all the smaller and greater details.

In a way it’s a lot like THE PHANTOM or THE SHADOW. Two movies with gorgeous production design, fun characters but ultimately not entirely satisfying, yet I still own both because I enjoy the visual feel of the film. Watching that Nautilus steaming ahead… or emerging from the depths… wonderful. The way bullet holes melt off of Dorian. The way Connery hits – wonderful. The look of Venice, London, Paris and even Mongolia… wonderful. It is a very handsome production, with much to like, just more to dislike.

In my PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN review, I essentially refer to this film as DRIPPINGS.

Drippings are the sauce, fluids left after you cook a steak, a roast, prime rib, a turkey… It’s the liquefied fats and greases flavored by the meat and spices that you’ve rubbed and beaten into the main course. They are the tasty, albeit ultimately non-filling remains of a meaty morsel. That is THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN. It’s a great base for a nice sausage gravy… meaning you can watch this and taste the essence of what might have been, but ultimately… the meat is gone. The action is clumsy, the villains lame and there are laughably bad scenes throughout. HOWEVER, there’s beautiful designs, pretty cool heroes and great moments. The total experience though for me was a pretty huge disappointment. The source material was so smart, so well conceived, that to see a film that reminds me in ways of a less entertaining Victorian nitty gritty spectacle – that reminds me of the exact same issues with the Dino DeLaurentis FLASH GORDON – which has beautiful production design, moments that sail, music that roars, but MANY LAUGHABLY BAD TERRIBLE MOMENTS throughout… and ultimately I greatly prefer that FLASH GORDON to this as this is never as alive… but it is a shadow of its source material, something that too many will never know. Perhaps in a couple of decades, some one will come along and nail it, but for now… this is not it.

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  • July 10, 2003, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Wild Wild West

    by Cabron

    Why do so many potentially cool movies have to suck?

  • July 10, 2003, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Yep, that could be pretty applicable to how I felt about The Hul

    by CoolDan989

    I guess comic book movies are taking a dive...just when Spider-Man and X2 gave me hope that there were more spectacular comic book movies to come...*sigh*

  • July 10, 2003, 1:09 p.m. CST

    I thought Harry was upset because

    by FTF5

    he couldn't see his genitals anymore.

  • July 10, 2003, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Waiting to see some other reviews

    by PsimonSez

    The Tom Sawyer thing had me kind of scared as well. I like the Dorian Gray addition but would have gone with Gary Oldman or someone like that.

  • July 10, 2003, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Fuck, I thought I was gonne be first.....

    by Lamerz

    Fuck first posters.

  • July 10, 2003, 1:24 p.m. CST

    LXG Despair

    by Jedi2589

    I have not read the book, so I will be going into the movie without expectations. I am sorry to hear that so much was put into this movie to have it fall flat on its face because of some bad acting and poor cgi. Thanks for the review Harry. First time on talkbacks and I love the site!

  • July 10, 2003, 1:31 p.m. CST

    This sucka has been getting bad buzz for a while, but I still mu

    by Terry_1978

    Only because I'm all about the huge ass summer movies, regardless of how bad the buzz is beforehand, and I'm a fan of the novel, and I'm pretty much required to go.

  • July 10, 2003, 1:34 p.m. CST

    ever since I heard about Tom Sawyer being in it...

    by KONG33

    I knew this review was inevitable. They needed a sexy, young american? These are supposed to be English characters! They changed things as though it's not a creative property, but more of a recipe for $. That's one of the reasons this won't make any $. Mina harker had to have an embarrassing feminist moment in the trailer too. Legally Blonde 2 has got another retarded trailer, 'join the party!' These people are utter morons. I was ranting.

  • July 10, 2003, 1:38 p.m. CST

    I liked the Flash Gordon movie.

    by FluffyUnbound

    If this is close to that good I will have to watch it eventually.

  • July 10, 2003, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Mmmm 'Drippings'...

    by Splicer

    Every review should have a food analogy, don't you think? Phantom Menace: Like drinking 2 gallons of Sunny Delight... Magnolia: Buffet... Matrix: Coffee and doughnuts...

  • July 10, 2003, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Bomb, Bomb, b-b-bomb, bomb

    by jimmychitwood

    O god is this gonna BOMB....i wish i could buy stock in this kind of thing...how can i defend bad boys2 and bash THIS crap? easy...BB2 makes no apologies for what it is, a popcorn film...this movie doesn't know WHAT the hell it is and is too unknown to draw ANY crowd in particular...at harry didn't sell out in his reveiw, he tried to be nice, but HE even says that Flash Gordon was better and that SUCKED, great when i was 10, but COME ON!!!...and once again, where's the CHICKEN??? GEORGE??

  • July 10, 2003, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Hey...I love Flash Gordon!

    by Aquafresh

    I have spent many hours of my life appreciating that fine peice of celluloid. If they had cast a better person in the lead, it would have been on par with the original "Superman". Sadly, Sam J. Jones sealed its fate.

  • July 10, 2003, 2:02 p.m. CST

    There's a portrait of Tom Sawyer in the background of one of the

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...and O'Neal drew him as middle aged and butt-ugly. I thought that was pretty funny. sk

  • July 10, 2003, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Yep - I suspected as much

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    This reeks of Tomb Raider - no way in hell I'm seeing it before it appears on TV. Sounds dreadful.

  • July 10, 2003, 2:05 p.m. CST

    LXG is getting terrible reviews. Plus, you know its bad when Ha

    by Lost Skeleton

    Flash was a shitty movie. Man, LXG must suck the tighty-whitey lint off my balls.

  • July 10, 2003, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Connery and the "P-word"

    by durhay

    One of the few Hollywood greats who has said that word, thanks to Goldfinger. When quoting Connery, tack it on the end to spice it up. "That's the Chicago way! Pusschy!" "What ish Haggis? Sounds revolting! Pusschy!" "I've found the cure to the plague of the twentieth schentury and now I've lostch it! Pusschy!"

  • July 10, 2003, 2:10 p.m. CST

    hope the movie does well anyway, else studios might not take the

    by Dragonfire

    Friend of mine who's read the graphic novels of lxg told me how pissed off he was with how hollywoodised it looked. I feel really sorry for him and any fans of this series. It sucks to see something great turned into a shite movie. The same friend lent me the preacher series which is one of the best things I've ever read. If that was adapted into a bad movie I'd be really pissed off

  • July 10, 2003, 2:31 p.m. CST

    This Movie

    by Gen Zod

    ha looked like shit from the get-go. I would love to have seen Connery whip the director. Nothin like getting the shit kicked out of you by a 70 yr. Highlander.

  • July 10, 2003, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Wasn't it Huck Finn who helped Jim?

    by Drath

    I mean it did put Sawyer in that pre war time period, but wasn't it Finn? Maybe my literary knowledge is fading with age, I don't remember if Tom Sawyer helped Jim as well or not. Shit. Maybe he did, because no one's calling attention to it, and hey, *any* chance to catch one of Harry's mistakes isn't usually missed on TB...***************If the review be true, then I ain't surprised. A movie in the same mold as Phantom and Shadow are about what I expected all things considered. At least it's not another Avengers.

  • July 10, 2003, 2:48 p.m. CST

    This looks like a Superstation Original

    by Mr. Profit

    Since T3 got good buzz I thing it might hold on to 2nd while Pirates is at 1. LXG 3rd or 4th. Victim of baaaad marketing and poor word of mouth.

  • July 10, 2003, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Sean Connery has lost all sense, and the rocketeer ruled

    by lush

    What is the last good movie this guy has done? The voice over for dragonheart? The moment I saw the trailer for LXG I was harkoned back to the Avengers trailer. Seriously, watch those two trailers and tell me they don't look like the same movie. Sean Connery was always a two bit actor who got lucky with Bond. I wish I had a cool accent so my shitty acting ability would be igonored by millions. Christ. And the rocketeer, although 20 minutes too short, was damn fine cinema.

  • July 10, 2003, 3:07 p.m. CST

    THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS...

    by Weasel

    ...when nervous, anxious movie execs co-opt a property that they have no feel for and, as a result, have no idea how to handle. The Alan Moore/Kevin O'Neill graphic novel, "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" is a sumptuous and entertaining story that resonates on many levels and did not require the ham-handed changes that we now see in this abortion of a movie. But this is the sort of film that results when barely literate movie people attempt to wrap their midget minds around something that far exceeds their limited mental capacities. I'm comforted - though cold comfort it is - by the fact that no matter how grotesquely awful this movie is, we still have the original comic book to savor and enjoy.

  • July 10, 2003, 3:20 p.m. CST

    So, does the Phantom get unmasked and turn out to be a famous ch

    by FrankDrebin

    'Cuz I was really upset to hear they weren't using Fu Manchu or another famous baddie. Why have famous heroes fight a generic villain?! And, unfortunately, the Daredevil/Hulk/LXG trifecta of awfulness is going to make "based on a comic book" the kiss of death for a film--which could kill the Hellboy movie before it even gets a chance.

  • July 10, 2003, 3:25 p.m. CST

    It WAS Huck Finn who helped

    by bunkyboo

    Tom Sawyer was the more dashing of the two. Huck was a dyed-in-the wool barefoot, woodsy kid. Harry, get it straight.

  • July 10, 2003, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles goes in for a prostate massage...

    by jakebanzai

    ...and ends his review talking about sausage gravy. Damn, what are the odds?

  • July 10, 2003, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Flash kicked ass

    by conspiracyagogo

    We all got to go some time Flash.....DIE

  • July 10, 2003, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Drippings? More like anal leakage.

    by Uncapie

    When is Hollywood going to learn not to destroy something that stands on its own merrit as a book? Though the Tom Sawyer character is essential to the younger audiences, I agree with Harry that they could have used Tom Swift to spice it up talking about his plans for these wild inventions. There are some good moments and Connery is always top notch in whatever he does, but the film fell flat. I did like Nemo's sub, although I thought the car was farfetched. Some good moments, but pretty weak overall for what they spent. All flash, but no substance.

  • July 10, 2003, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Damn it Harry, now I'm hungry. Uhhh...not for drippings mind you

    by Big Bad Clone

    I thought this wouldn't be great. I do like The Rocketeer, The Shadow and The Phantom, but they do suck to a degree. So I'll guess I be heading of the see Sean "I never play a Scottish person, but always have the same accent" Connery and crew.

  • July 10, 2003, 3:56 p.m. CST

    I know I'm not any better than the next guy and that everyone ha

    by Ray Garraty #47

    If you use the words "arse" or "shite" you can just go to hell. Really. I can't even discuss this.

  • July 10, 2003, 3:57 p.m. CST

    "

    by Darth Arrakis

    Glad to see Harry reads over and checks his work very carefully before posting it.

  • July 10, 2003, 4:02 p.m. CST

    MIna Murray, not Mina Harker

    by Empress S

    In the wonderful graphic novel, Mina was both the leader, and the person who assembled the team. Guess Connery's famously sexist ego couldn't handle the story the way it was. She was also a divorcee' and made a point of saying she had reclaimed her maiden name. Now she is a widow who has her dead husband's name. Is this something the studio executives thought we were too conservative to handle?

  • July 10, 2003, 4:03 p.m. CST

    It

    by Jamalio

    LOL! what a great analogy, thats the best I've ever heard. it kind of sounds funky. BVERY NICE! BTW what the fuck is up with that illustration shit in the corner now? Just what on gods green earth are you turning into now harry?

  • July 10, 2003, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Wormhole X-treme!

    by Seepgood

    Is it me or is "LXG" a flagrant manifestation of the marketing concept that "shows with "X" in the title get bigger audiences"? Of course, according to that theory that film starring Vin Diesel as Poochy the Rockin' Dog should have been the greatest hit in cinematic history, yet it was not so.

  • July 10, 2003, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Does anybody else get the feeling Harry was hungry while writing

    by DarthRidiculous

  • July 10, 2003, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Does anybody else get the feeling that Harry was hungry while wr

    by DarthRidiculous

  • July 10, 2003, 4:31 p.m. CST

    RetroStyle...Re: Villians *Possible Spoiler*

    by Josef K

    Yes, I was upset too when Fu Manchu wasn't going to be in the film, but it seems that there were rights issues with his character. A man in Toronto owns the rights to Fu Manchu and wouldn't release them for this flick. As for LXG's Phantom, yes the Phamtom turns into a fmaous literary villian...and quite an obvious one too. But I loved the movie and thought it was a fun time... And the Hyde transformation wasn't that bad at all.

  • July 10, 2003, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Hawkmen Rule!

    by evilmasterfoo

  • July 10, 2003, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Drippings

    by DoogieHowitzer

    Anyone else envision Harry drooling while he was writing the drippings-to-gravy metaphor.....?

  • July 10, 2003, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Harry was uspset because

    by Ain'tIObeseNews

    they didn't show Sean Connery's shriveled manhood. "In case you haven't heard, the powers down in the mainland, and all the Carvel's are closed!" - Day of the Dead

  • July 10, 2003, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Hey Connery: I'm waiting to be impresshed!

    by Tarl_Cabot

    Harrison Ford and Sean Connery were once cinematic Gods. Now they both suck, make shitty movies and expect us Indy/007 fanboys to cream our jeans when a action film like LXG or Indy 4 gets made.I'll pash. SC is a joke now and so is Ford.Thank God Connery turned down the Matrix.

  • July 10, 2003, 4:58 p.m. CST

    LXGurghhh

    by OsamaBinBlofeld

    All of this talk about Flash Gordan & The Rocketeer, yet no one brings up someone who was in both films...Timothy Dalton! Hmm I wonder if Sean Connery knew that...or what his shoe size if he doesn't "get" LOTR or The Matrix.

  • July 10, 2003, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Splicer

    by PumpyMcAss

    Food analogies indeed. The Hulk's would be "Like getting two helpings of hot carl."

  • July 10, 2003, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Probably what this flick needed to push it over the hump was an

    by Trav McGee

    "bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum QUARTERMAIN! Aaah-ahhhhh.... Hero of the universe!" ...Hey, does anyone have the Flash DVD? (Jesus, is there one?) Does it have a score-only track? Cause that would be the ass-kickinest ass-kicker that ever kicked ass.

  • July 10, 2003, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Harry, how can you review "League" and not even mention Norringt

    by Blue Devil

    Granted, Norrington was taken off the project at the end. But his initial ideas are still on screen. This is his first major work since Blade's brilliant direction- how did he do? We deserve to know!

  • July 10, 2003, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Possible spoiler...

    by Praetor

    Ok I haven't seen the film or read the screenplay, and, being in the UK won't see the film for some time. However the second I saw that Richard Roxburgh was in it I would bet my back teeth that he is the 'Phantom' as we know that he is the 'M' who assembles the team and that Connery refers at one point to the 'Sound of treachery'. Roxburgh is always a slimy villian ( MI2, Moulin Rouge ) hence he is bound to be the bad guy.

  • July 10, 2003, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Oh well

    by A Winner Is You

    This movie will have a mediocre to awful opening weekend, followed up by a second week where it is sharing a screen with another low grosser. By the third week, it'll be done. And the fact that it has an air of "Who gives a fuck?" really doesn't help it...

  • July 10, 2003, 5:33 p.m. CST

    American Audiences Underestimated

    by sidneyreilly

    Which is the better film, Luc Besson's "La Femme Nikita" or the pointless Americanized remake, "Point of No Return". I don't mind changes as long as the film going to show me more. At the time, Tarantino might have been able do "Point of No Return" but only because he would shown the audience more than they expected. Or like Brad Pitt did for "Snatch" which would have otherwise have been a rehash of "Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels." But LXG isn't going out on that limb. Certainly, don't expect anything approaching that level of sophistication. Expect Affirmitive Action for Americans. Phoney, forced, tokenism. Crap like that was all over "Reign of Fire" and what a pile of broken promises that was. As an American, I was ashamed of how Americans were shoe horned into a film that could have been brilliant. As to gritty, high adventure this summer, "Pirates of the Caribbean", maybe. After that put in your pre-order for "Treasure of Sierra Madre" on DVD. It'll tide you over until LOTR comes out in December.

  • July 10, 2003, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Sorry folks...

    by DocPazuzu

    ... but Flash Gordon is pure gold. It even has the greatest line ever uttered in cinema: "I never knew what my father was until he let Klytus put the bore-worms on me."

  • July 10, 2003, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Josef K and Praetor - thank you

    by sambrook

    For signposting possible spoilers in your subject title. It shows a genuine respect to those of us who would like to choose how much information they are given before seeing a film. BTW this was due on Aug 15th in the UK, but has now been pushed back to October - a good indicator of how confident Fox are. And for those of you who like to laugh at us Brits, the British censors have decided Terminator 3 should have the same certificate as Agent Cody Banks. That's right, merciless killing robots from the future ripping hearts out left right and centre is only as potentially damaging to children's mental health as that wierd-faced kid you wanna punch doing a light family spy film. Rant over.

  • July 10, 2003, 6:30 p.m. CST

    This movie has VAMPIRES but NO WEREWOLVES no its only half good

    by Rcamacho2278

    honestly european heros SUCK. gimme 28 days later 2

  • July 10, 2003, 6:31 p.m. CST

    LXG= The Avengers

    by ewem

    Nuff said!

  • July 10, 2003, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Glad Harry mentioned the Tom Sawyer age problem.

    by Andy Travis

    Strange, they acknowledge that Quatermain had a son who died (and he did in the books), but reverse-age Sawyer by thirty years. Connery has repeatedly stated how much he loves the comics--I think his image is the overwhelming problem...he's not an actor, he's SEAN CONNERY. Even the commercials say this, with the "Sean Connery must unite the League" line. Sad.

  • July 10, 2003, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Possible Spoilers, Questions posed...

    by KryptonsLastSon

    So is the famous villain Professor Moriarty, as it was in the comic with Campion Bond's boss M, dressed up as the Phantom or is it someone else? Also do they set up the War of the Worlds Sequel with John Carter of Mars as was done for the Second Volume? And finally is th Invisibile Man a "traitor" or has his character been toned down? Invisible Man in the Girl's School? Thanks just wondering if they kept the more interesting tidbits from the graphic novel.

  • July 10, 2003, 7:24 p.m. CST

    YOU SEE

    by andenu

    Stop saying "You See" so goddamn much!!!

  • July 10, 2003, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the interesting info Josef K. Anybody here see that o

    by FrankDrebin

    HG Wells and Jack The Ripper time-travel to modern New York for a showdown. The film was made in 1979, so no "special" effects, just good acting. Best part: Jack looks at all the violence and mayhem on TV and gasps, "I'm an amateur!"

  • July 10, 2003, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Hello Davvvvvvve

    by Kurg1

    You're may wayfe now Davvvve.

  • July 10, 2003, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Looks like a fun ride...it'll get my change

    by waylayer

    At least there is an iota of originality here to work with and look at, and isn't a lame remake or a sequel. *friendswithbenefits.com*

  • July 10, 2003, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Note to Harry: Horatio Alger was an author, not a character

    by Dan_Average

    Signed, your 12th-grade English teacher.

  • July 10, 2003, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Don Murphy=Hack

    by zappaman

    What a jackass. Face it, your movie-like every single production you've been involved with-sucks. You criticize others for name-calling and then turn around and do the same thing? Grow up. If you can't take the heat, don't make the movie. Saw it the other night at a press screening and this movie sucks ass. "Thrill ride of the summer"? Nice try with the over-used cliche marketing phrase. But, I'm sure it's "generally well-regarded" with your mom....and Earl Dittman. Even though I saw it for free, I feel as if I got robbed. Please let us know what your next piece of shit is, so we can stay well away. Shit, I'm sure there must be some more Alan Moore properties you can fuck up.

  • July 10, 2003, 9:34 p.m. CST

    AngoraSweater re Hyde

    by thestrongestone

    from FilmFreakCentral: "Mr. Hyde looks just like a small Welsh actor in a blow-up rubber suit" The reason nobody is here debating the look of this character here is they are too busy talking about how terrible the movie supposedly is. If the movie was called Hyde and Mr Hyde was the main character and focus of the film then I am fairly certain we would be seeing much more discussion along those lines

  • July 10, 2003, 9:42 p.m. CST

    It sure didn't take long for "The Golden Age of Comic Book Movie

    by TheWoodMan

    Let's see, there were a couple of "Blade" movies that didn't set the world on fire but have their cult followings; "Spider-Man" made a mint but was hobbled by half-assed FX and that asinine Mecha Goblin; "X-Men" was just O.K., "X-2" a classic; "Daredevil" was good for fans of the comic but the public couldn't care less. And with that the aforementioned "golden age" drew to a close. "(The) Hulk" was boring and pretentious, with effects poorer than many video games. "LXG" (not to be confused with the comic "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen") sounds like a mess. Next up is "The Punisher", who was red-hot thirteen years ago, but now, who cares? And what are they gonna do that hasn't already been covered in Bronson's "Death Wish" series? "Ghost Rider"? Another half-forgotten leftover from the early 90s. "Hellboy" may well be great but the dim-witted public (99.9% of which has never heard of H.P. Lovecraft) isn't going to know what to make of it. "Spider-Man 2" will work if they can resist the corporate urge to turn Doc Ock into another mecha action figure, and obviously "X-3: The Phoenix Saga" is gonna be the greatest movie ever made... but by then it'll be too little too late, as we get buried by abominable "Superman" and "Wonder Woman" films, as well as a "Batman:Year One" which will suck 'cause you know they won't have the guts to follow Miller's storyline... "Fantastic Four" already looks like it's gonna suck really hard... "Captain America" and "Shazam" will not be set during WW2 and as a result will go over like the proverbial lead zeppelin... etc. etc. etc.... Did I miss anything? Pardon my negativity, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

  • July 10, 2003, 9:51 p.m. CST

    It sure didn't take long for "The Golden Age of Comic Book Movie

    by TheWoodMan

    Let's see, there were a couple of "Blade" movies that didn't set the world on fire but have their cult followings; "Spider-Man" made a mint but was hobbled by half-assed FX and that asinine Mecha Goblin; "X-Men" was just O.K., "X-2" a classic; "Daredevil" was good for fans of the comic but the public couldn't care less. And with that the aforementioned "golden age" drew to a close. "(The) Hulk" was boring and pretentious, with effects poorer than many video games. "LXG" (not to be confused with the comic "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen") sounds like a mess. Next up is "The Punisher", who was red-hot thirteen years ago, but now, who cares? And what are they gonna do that hasn't already been covered in Bronson's "Death Wish" series? "Ghost Rider"? Another half-forgotten leftover from the early 90s. "Hellboy" may well be great but the dim-witted public (99.9% of which has never heard of H.P. Lovecraft) isn't going to know what to make of it. "Spider-Man 2" will work if they can resist the corporate urge to turn Doc Ock into another mecha action figure, and obviously "X-3: The Phoenix Saga" is gonna be the greatest movie ever made... but by then it'll be too little too late, as we get buried by abominable "Superman" and "Wonder Woman" films, as well as a "Batman:Year One" which will suck 'cause you know they won't have the guts to follow Miller's storyline... "Fantastic Four" already looks like it's gonna suck really hard... "Captain America" and "Shazam" will not be set during WW2 and as a result will go over like the proverbial lead zeppelin... etc. etc. etc.... Did I miss anything? Pardon my negativity, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

  • July 10, 2003, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Harry, fix this TalkBack thing, please

    by TheWoodMan

    Sorry, I didn't mean to post that twice. In fact, I didn't... something's F'd up on your end. The order of the postings seems to be doing better, but this "multi-posting" still seems to be a problem. Some sites allow one to go back in (with your password) and erase your own posts. Maybe you should look into this. How embarassing!

  • July 10, 2003, 10:24 p.m. CST

    League

    by cmsapp

    The reason you have a Tom Sawyer is because its a hell of a lot more convincing than an old and crusty Alan Quartermain! Geritol anyone? And so what if he's American? If anyone has ever READ the damn book, the main characters are pretty stale.

  • July 10, 2003, 11:06 p.m. CST

    The Thing With The PHANTOM Is...

    by CHEWBLACCA

    ...He's not really THE Phantom.It's just M is BAD make-up and a silly costume.The reason he goes on these assaults or missions is to heighten his profile.The whole thing is a ruse.Not an especially good one-but a ruse to get at what The League have.Now only having seen LXG a couple of hours ago,I haven't really had time to ponder it.Currently, I am fairly indifferent.The overly critical guys that I went with loved it.The only thing I can claim to love so far is Peta Wilson.Not because she's so beautiftul,but because she makes Mina come alive.It's hard to compare this Mina to the comic version,since the comic Mina has yet(if ever)to cut loose.At least we know she puts out.If there's they make LXG2:The Search for Quartermain I hope Mina leads the team and gets twice the screen time.

  • July 10, 2003, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Damn Straight ! The ROCKETEER Is The Shit !

    by CHEWBLACCA

    It's a shame it never found it's audience.A follow-up would have been nice.

  • July 10, 2003, 11:36 p.m. CST

    What did you expect?

    by Meleractor

    As long as money is the primary incentive, as opposed to say "storytelling" this problem will continue to permeate the movie industry, especially when "adapting" stories from the far more provocative field of the Illustrated serials ( better known buy their out dated handle, ahem, "comic books") The second largest problem after "greed" is that the film industry and their ilk, not to mention the common populace, believe that film is a "higher" form of storytelling than the Illustrated(comic book) serial! I find this utterly laughable! Would these same people say the same for novels? Of course not, It is ingrained in our minds at an early age that literature should be taken with the "utmost seriousness", it is a "grown up" medium. So, having all this in mind I ask these same people, did Leonardo Divinci take part in a "grown up" medium? Did Michelangelo? Monet? Picasso? Oh, they did? Then why on all that is holy and fucking sacred would you call a medium that combines these two masterfully powerful abilities; children's entertainment. This utter ignorance surprises me to no end

  • July 11, 2003, 12:16 a.m. CST

    LXG was really good!

    by RawheadRex

    You all are smoking crack if you think this movie sucked. It wasn't the best movie ever, but it had some great moments. I don't know why the critics were laughing at the Mr. Hyde transformation. People need to stop thinking all movies have to be "realistic". Its a damn comic book movie! BTW, the Rocketeer kicks Flash Gordon's Jet Football Lovin ASS!! FG is a movie that belongs with Highlander 2 and Leprechaun in Space.

  • July 11, 2003, 12:26 a.m. CST

    The Rocketeer!

    by TheFourthDoctor

    The Rocka-who?

  • July 11, 2003, 12:28 a.m. CST

    So who is the bad guy in the film?

    by TheFourthDoctor

    Is it Weng Chiang? It is, isn't it? You can tell me. Tell me it's Weng Chiang. See, I knew it.

  • July 11, 2003, 12:33 a.m. CST

    You're all mad!

    by TheFourthDoctor

    The Avengers was a great film. Where else can you see Sean Connery in a bear suit? I mean really? There were some quality people slumming it in that one- Ralph Fiennes, Jim Broadbent, Eddie Izzard...you know what, I can't lie. That film was crap.

  • July 11, 2003, 12:45 a.m. CST

    "I'm hwaiting to be imprescht."

    by TheFourthDoctor

    I can't stop saying this phrase. I've been walking around for weeks telling people in a dentured scotch accent that I'm waiting to be impressed. They keep looking at me funny. Romana was insulted. K9 blew a circuit trying to outdo himself. I haven't had a trailer dialogue line problem like this since Tim Roth in Hoodlum: "I'll splatter the city with his blood!" Was that film any good? It didn't look good. Jellybaby?

  • July 11, 2003, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Hot air balloons jumping the sexy beanpole sharks and . . . ah f

    by GypsyTRobot

    Whatever happened to Fett? Did he get back together with Catwoman? and what about the guy who used to graphically describe corn-riddled poo in every TB?

  • July 11, 2003, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Loved it. Great movie.

    by sharondeitz

    The most refreshingly original film I've seen all year.

  • July 11, 2003, 3:34 a.m. CST

    If EPISODE 3 SUCKS, can all the fanboys FINALLY ADMIT that Lucas

    by Rcamacho2278

    star wars has officially been run all over the fucken floor worse than star trek.

  • July 11, 2003, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Flash Gordon was good....

    by davros

    ...but he was no match for my daleks! EXTERMINATE!!! EX...TER...MIN...ATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 11, 2003, 3:37 a.m. CST

    CoolDan if you thought Spiderman and X2 were better than Hulk yo

    by chien_sale

    More importantly you are an inferior mind when viewing movies. Stick to Badboys 2, looser. I pitty the fool!

  • July 11, 2003, 4:11 a.m. CST

    LXG = Bad Sausage Gravy = Good

    by Darth_Inedible

  • July 11, 2003, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Re "I'm hwaiting to be imprescht."

    by thestrongestone

    I also have been enjoying this phrase in a big way. Particularly last weekend. Had just finished exams and had not slept in a few days so probably went a bit overboard. But5 it was always cool when a friend was showing me a DVD to wait until a quiet moment and bust it out. Good to see someone else out there in this big crazy world feels the same way.

  • July 11, 2003, 6:26 a.m. CST

    There's nothing wrong...

    by You'reSupercool

    ...with using "And" to start a sentence. And that's all there is to it.

  • July 11, 2003, 6:58 a.m. CST

    FG LXG

    by radio1_mike

    Has ANYONE here watched Flash Gordon recently? I have several times in the past few months, it's in rotation on Starz! Action channel. Flash is bad bad bad. Great production values?! Please, when I first saw it on Preview all those years ago, I said then, it looks like they spent $1.39 total. If it was not for Brian Blessed, Max Von Sydow, Timothy Dalton, the Queen Soundtrack and the way they stuck primarily to the original premise, I would never ever watch this film whenever it comes on. Nor would I ever buy the DVD, either. Damn, wait a sec. Oh my God, it's really good! As far as LXG goes, any movie that Sean Connery kicks ass, I'll see.

  • July 11, 2003, 7:19 a.m. CST

    So, chien_sale, I'm a "fool" for not liking Hulk, huh?

    by CoolDan989

    Well, at least I'm not an arrogant brat who parades around flaunting my opinions like they're facts. If I stick a fork in your head, chien, will it deflate?

  • July 11, 2003, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Never mind your spelling and grammar,

    by You'reSupercool

    ROTLD, you should check your apostrophe's.

  • July 11, 2003, 7:54 a.m. CST

    The League

    by Louis Cyphre

    Greatest shame of it all to me is the loss of the major stylistic traits that made the books great. The English jingoisms hail back to the Victorian pride in the Empire - obviously a tricky point politically in modern days, but Alan Moore played with the institutional racism of those days in a lighthearted way, ("Johnny Chinaman"), lampooning the BBC newsreel dialect, and that would've translated into film voiceover wonderfully. Wouldn't happen though - its a risky thing, that 'irony'. I assume the colonial adventurer, (Quartermain) uneasy in the company of the colonial rebel (Nemo) has been brushed under the carpet too. The strength in the face of adversity that the ordinary human characters (Mina and Quartermain) showed was the strength of the book - not the magical vampire powers of Mina Harker, or the invulnerability of Dorian Gray - ordinary folks in extraordinary circumstances, prevailing through srength of CHARACTER was the key to the success of the book for me. That and the siff upper lip pisstaking. Shame all that's lost in 'translation'.

  • July 11, 2003, 8:20 a.m. CST

    The Phantom is.....

    by Shawn F.

    M, a.k.a. Professor Moriarty. And both he and Quatermain bite the bullet in the end. There, hopefully I save a great many of you from sitting through this horrid piece of crap. I haven't been this bored with a film since....hmmm...well, it's been a while.

  • July 11, 2003, 9 a.m. CST

    I have an idea for a sequel!!

    by Be like water

    First of all, what the hell are they going to call it? LXG[SQUARED]?? XXX already has that line down (unfortunately). LXG 2.0? God I hope not. They've already fucked themselves with the title logo. SO check this out-- THIS is the perfect sequel- I've figured it all out! It's already been hinted at! In 'THE LEAGUE RETURNS' (how the heck are they going to get the verb usage right?) We find out Quatermain is, get this, IMMORTAL, based on some silly African potion he was given! New characters? We got 'em! The original HIGHLANDER, Connor MacLeod, this will give all those pansy-fans who weeped like babies over Connor's DEATH in HIGHLANDER: ENDGAME the return they always wanted! [BONUS: It's in time-continuity!!) Just picture it: Mina: "Alan, meet our new member." Quatermain: "GREETINGS, HIGHLANDER." (The fans have a have a giant squirt simultaneously.) As a twist they can travel to the year 2028 and fight aliens there!! Cross franchises and problems solved for the LXG and the EXTRAORDINARY mess of a Franchise HIGHLANDER! BRILLIANT! Somebody get me a job at DIMENSION!! Providing they give half the budget over to Connery (at 75), and Lambert, we'll have a movie! {God (or Jim) forgive me...} This is all bunk since there's no way in hell a sequel's going to be made to this abomination anyway!

  • July 11, 2003, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Attention to the source

    by Larry Jay

    Apparently Steve Norrington did not learn the lesson so ELEGANTLY taught to directors by Brian Singer, YOU HAVE TO RESPECT YOUR SOURCE MATERIAL. The more reviews I read, it becomes increasingly obvious that Norrington did not follow this canon. I was at first very excited about LXG but now my ardor is definately cooled. My best friend and I were planning to see LXG this weekend but I think we will shift our plans and go see Pirates of the Carribean. WOE BETIDE THE DIRECTOR WHO BONES A COMIC BOOK ADAPTATION. I loved BLADE but Norrington needs to check himself before he wrecks himself on his next effort. ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!

  • July 11, 2003, 9:21 a.m. CST

    James...uh... DALE???... Robinson

    by Kid Z

    The latest victim of "Frank Miller Syndrome". This is a dreaded disorder that mainly afflicts over-hyped comic book writers wherein the afflicted person, having had some success or buzz in the comics industry suddenly becomes possessed with the delusion that he has been transformed into a screenwriter. Disastrous consequences usually follow (Note the documented case of "Robocop II"). The namesake and "patient zero" of this sad affliction has since made a full recovery, but sadly has since manifested symptoms of an even more dire condition, i.e. "John Byrne Disease" (as noted in the case history, "The Dark Knight Strikes Again). Unfortunately, patient Robinson shows no sign of improvement and is now working on a TV adaptation of his comic "Starman" with a teen protagonist and sans the Shade!

  • July 11, 2003, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Lush

    by Hud

    It was "Finding Forrester."

  • July 11, 2003, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Get off your high horse, Harry

    by Jeditemple

    You obviously have no business reviewing films... This movie rocked! Of course, it's not just like the comic book, you pathetic fanboys. Direct translations of comic books would be idiotic. And that's why Wolverine didn't have yellow spandex. LXG was an ADAPTATION of a comic book. Get over it and go stuff your face.

  • July 11, 2003, 9:52 a.m. CST

    eberts review is hilarious

    by Rome&BrianGarage

    what is it about these fat critics that makes me laugh so?

  • July 11, 2003, 9:53 a.m. CST

    rock bottom

    by Rome&BrianGarage

    whenever i TB.....no sense of order

  • July 11, 2003, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Re: Connery & the "P-word"

    by Bad Guy

    Kudos, Durhay, that made me laugh out loud! But you forgot my favorite. From "Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade": I should've shent it to the Marksh Brothersh! Pusschy! ;-)

  • July 11, 2003, 10 a.m. CST

    It's gotten to the point...

    by HKCavalier

    What I tend to hate about movie reviews is how self important the reviewers can be. How they say "I liked/didn't like" such and such and think their job is done. Back in the day, Harry's reviews were some of the most reliable in the world. Not that he was always right (hardly!) but he would always ground his reviews in personal experience. If he didn't like a movie I would usually be able to tell if I was likely to agree or disagree with him based on his personal context. At his best, he still does (Finding Nemo), but there are more and more reviews like this one inwhich he simply lists a bunch of pet-peeves. "This was dumb." "That was disappointing." One of the creators of the original comic strip apparently had a ball and Harry didn't like the car. He didn't like the car! Who gives a fuck? That he feels this titbit is worth mentioning shows me that his ego has exceeded his old sense of mission. It's gotten to the point when I just don't expect to really learn anything tangible about a movie from one of his reviews.

  • July 11, 2003, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Fat Critics?

    by Lou Stools

    Fat critics always use food analogies... http://www.nopointnecessary.com/creosote.html

  • July 11, 2003, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Doc Oc

    by Lou Stools

    The photos are up at Superherohype.com

  • July 11, 2003, 10:26 a.m. CST

    oh, so it

    by CuervoJones

    but it has vampires!

  • July 11, 2003, 10:35 a.m. CST

    The Villain's Name Was Revealed in Today's NY POST Review and it

    by Mr. Profit

    It's the same name as a reviewer on this site. When I read the plot twist in the paper today I was glad I did not go see this film. Seems cheesy with Xena Special Effects.

  • Now that I know it's a mix of coolness and crapola. I had my doubts long ago when I heard of this project and went to find out about the source material--the comic book of LXG--and was immediately put off by that. The artwork was BAD, the changes in the characters were BAD, the whole fucking story WAS BAD!!! WHAT THE FUCK is it with Alan Moore??? I've read that he has an affinity for the 19th Century, but does he have to screw with established characters just BECAUSE HE CAN? FUCK HIM! This is another case of the Emperor's-New-Clothes syndrome. Some undiscerning assholes in the comic book industry and a huge number of its fans with the intellects of six-year-olds are gosh-oh-golly-gee-whiz impressed by this bullshit, and suddenly it become big, big, BIG! Without merit. And now we're going to have to suffer a second revision of those characters for the movie version. Gaaarrrroovy! More like mutated shit. Point One: Captain Nemo LOATHED Great Britain. He would NEVER have come to the aid of "that hated nation." Point Two: Mina Harker--whatever her backstory following the events of Dracula--NEVER became a vampire, so what the fuck is it with these vampiric powers? Do those asswipes in Whorywood think audiences only remember that she was ONCE in thrall to Dracula BUT NOT how she was SAVED? Point Three: Why the hell do we need an American referant in the form of Tom-freaking-Sawyer??? (Hmm, maybe he got a touch of Gray to stay so young.) Is it because American moviegoers are SO FUCKING STUPID AND IGNORANT these days that they could never appreciate these English literary characters without an American involved? Blame Whorywood for dumbing down the American public by troweling out the pap these past forty-odd years. They've now had to resort to mining comic books to sell to the idiots who buy tickets, because more intelligent films are completely lost on them. I almost hope this bombs really badly. Not that it'll help impress Whorywood enough to STOP MAKING such garbage. Then again, movies have become such a risky, money-losing proposition that they can't really afford to give us better films. People just wouldn't go or they'd badmouth the good ones they'd seen because they wouldn't understand them. More's the pity.

  • July 11, 2003, 10:43 a.m. CST

    LXG -I hope alan moore is constipated..i love how this movie get

    by qtheeskimo

    The cross literary universe is the long time invention of Phillip Jose Farmer. His works are the seminal versions of this genre. See "The other log of Phileas Fogg" or " Tarzan Alive"...hell if you have an afternoon to kill type WOLD NEWTON into google and geek out till you can't stand up any more. But please...stop complaining that they haven't adapted a comic book properly to the screen. The hulk was excellent, although while saying that I could totally understand how some people would walk out on it. Spiderman I loved but I still think th CGI was bad. Daredevil embarrassed me...but actullly primarily because of the leads and the lack of adherence to the universal rules they had sketched. The X-movies were fine...good fun. Superman was spectacular up until the last fifteen minutes. Batman was a visual treat that lost all impact upon the second viewing...Hollywood has the bucks...you have little individually and tons collectively. Hell I suggested that there be an on-line fund set up for folks to invest in Gilliams la mancha film...and now it looks like Mr. Uma Thurman himself Ethan Hawke is attempting just that type of thing on line. You want it made propoerly...go buy the rights...write the screenplay and produce the thing yourself.

  • July 11, 2003, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Meleractor, I think the current term is actually "graphic novel"

    by Antoninus

    ...but what's in a name? People have been calling films "flicks" for ages. I just think some of your rant's a bit misguided. Comics and movies storytelling techniques have been related for a long time. What is the storyboard for a movie but a comic book? In fact, many comics illustrators have crossed over into the film industry over the years. Did you know that the great Frederico Fellini was a graphic storyteller? In fact, it was his unrealized dream to bring the DC hero Mandrake the Magician to the screen. As for any undue respect given the comics medium, I think it's mainly a matter of content. But the same could said of motion pictures. But I'm sure anyone who's familiar with Alan Moore's "Swamp Thing", Frank Miller's "Dark Knight Returns", Art Spiegelman's "Maus", Stan Lee's "Spider-Man", or Daniel Clowes' "Ghost World", among many many others, certainly would not berate them. And your "I have a dream" solution of serializing the motion pictures so as to parallel the comic book medium's attention to character, well...that's been done since almost the inception of the motion picture. Back in the day, it was called, appropriately, the serial, and you could usually catch them on a matinee showing at the local theatre. Moviegoers would catch a new episode each week of, say, Batman, Superman, or the Lone Ranger(though I wouldn't give them much in the way of character development, but the potential was there). And when television finally came around, we had the syndicated TV series. You know, like "Batman" in the 60's, "The Incredible Hulk" in the 70's, and "Smallville" today. Sure, the traditional 2 hour feature film lacks the time to flesh out a character as a TV series would, but the "popcorn flicks" like "Spider-Man" or "X2" make up for it with huge production values that television could never afford. Of course, in my opinion, nothing(in the way of comic book adaptations) so far can compare with the sheer badass cinematic achievement of Tim Burton's "Batman" or Ang Lee's "Hulk", and I'm sure many would agree. But my main point, is you need to relax, Meleractor, the world ain't as bad as it seems. Okay, maybe it is...

  • July 11, 2003, 10:57 a.m. CST

    And To The Producer Lurking In The Talkback....

    by Mr. Profit

    It's really presumptious of you to assume everyone on here is a geeked out fan boy who lives in their parent's basement. After all if you did not care about what we think, then why are you here? Oh yeah I remember, you want our money. Well acting like a big baby and attacking people because they dislike the latest crap ass film to come out this summer won't get you anywhere. Again this film has Superstation Original written all over it. And thank god for Rotten Tomatoes. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheLeagueofExtraordinaryGentlemen-1123784/

  • July 11, 2003, 11:19 a.m. CST

    hahahahahahahahaahhahah I knew this would suck

    by Russman

    It was so bad and stupid that I couldn't even read past 20 pages of the script. Like kids these days are going to know who Captain Nemo is or Dorian Gray. Good thing for FOX that X2 kicked ass cuz they're gonna lose a shitload from this.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Beleaguered by "League"

    by tarrded

    Somewhere in London there is a muted pounding noise. It is the sound of Alan Moore pounding his head into the nearest wall. "BATMAN AND ROBIN" is the worst comic film of all time, but this is clocking in quick at number two. This movie is tragic in that all of its style is killed by horrible editing, bad dialogue (At times), sloppy CGI, and muddled sound design. Had just a few of these problems been addressed we might have a better film. Hell had they stuck to the original characters in the book even! For instance, although not entirely detrimental to the film Skinner is nowhere near as cool as homicidal, oversexed Hawley Griffin from the book. Hyde should be more like the thing at the end of the film and definitely less noble. As it was I didn't mind Sawyer, or Dorian Gay (not a typo "Growl???") or even Nemo's car (by the way props to Mr. Shah for being the only one on screen to come accurately portray his character). I would not have given these a second thought if the film wasn't so sloppy. The crowd I went with all wanted to to sneak into a "Pirates" showing to cleanse themselves. Such a great book, such a sloppy movie, such a waste.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:55 a.m. CST

    What is this Allan Quartermain's son bullshit?

    by Shepdog

    For any readers of the original Rider novels, Quartermain's son didn't die on some stupid, 'previous adventure' but contracted a fatal illness doing some volunteer work. Let's just fuck with a great original some more, shall we? And this film looks like shit, by the way.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Doesn't Murf come off as kind of needy....

    by King Rhythm

    ...especially for a bigtime Hollywood slickster? What's next, Murf? Posting a turd to everyone coming out of LXG at the cinema saying "That sucked"? Better buy some Ex-Lax... P.S. James Robinson is a one-trick pony. All his characters talk in pop culture, rare-record, High Fidelity bullshit, like Jack Knight.

  • July 11, 2003, 12:10 p.m. CST

    well, who saw this coming?

    by Big_Kahuna

    certainy not me

  • July 11, 2003, 12:27 p.m. CST

    godrefla, you had a point for a while

    by blue7

    MURF is indeed involved with several cinematic mediocrities. While he can't be blamed for trying to polish the turd that is LXG (wiggety wiggety word up indeed), that's honestly what he's trying to do here. It was also a bit silly of him to assume that any detractors have their mothers cooking them dinner whilst they flagellate their privates down in the basement. That said, godrefla, while your latest flame of the embattled MURF was scathing in a fun way it turned sour when you wrote "As for what I do, well, that's actually a hilarious question. You're right, Donny, I don't make films--I have a real job, a position of money and power, both of which I use to help my fellow human beings and the natural environment. I make a small but positive difference every time I go to work.". I am hard pressed to believe that you aren't referring to your EverQuest adventures instead of this Lord's work you are so smugly infatuated with yourself for being magnanimous enough to share with the undeserving world. In a word, riiiggght, oh Man of Money and Power Who Will Save the World. Sure.

  • July 11, 2003, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Vampires 'n' Werewolves

    by Raulman

    I don't know if anyone's ever given Harry this much, but those two dudes at the Merovingian's house WERE vampires! Or one of them was a vampire and one of them was a werewolf; 'cause his wife offs one of 'em with a silver bullet; and they're watching a vampire movie. That scene gave anyone paying attention the right to expect more of the same. It had foreshadowing written all over it.

  • July 11, 2003, 12:49 p.m. CST

    godrefla

    by ferret121

    Stop being such a pretentious prick. Not all movies are meant to be important cultural occurences. Some are meant to be fun. From Hell has been considered significantly above average by the majority of critics/viewers, and couldn't have gotten much closer to the source material while still working as a movie. Let's face it the graphic novel was essentially a documentary in comic book form. Apt Pupil was a brilliant film, that you even question that fact shows that this is pompous bullshit so that you can get yourself off whining to a Hollywood bigshot. Rotten Tomatoes is not the be all and end all of critical opinion. Far from it, it's a collection of internet links, and any idiot can get their opinion included, regardless of actual worth. The smartest thing you've said is that Harry decides whether or not he likes a film way in advance, and then watches it looking for anything to back up that decision. Come on Harry, let's review a film or two as a stand alone piece of entertainment once in a while. Just for a change, y'know?

  • July 11, 2003, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Couple of corrections

    by LewMoxon

    First of all, to Meleractor, they're just funny books. For Christ's Sake, get over it. Second, to godrefla, I don't think cleaning truck stop toilets in NJ qualifies as a "position of money and power". But, to each, their own.

  • July 11, 2003, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Finally An enjoyable movie

    by zathras34

    Finally an enjoyable movie..LXG Here I thought there was not going to be another good movie this summer..besides X2(which is still the overall champ movie of the year) I actually lucked out...I went to a 10:45am show this morning and had the entire stadium all to myself.. This is a really great enjoyable movie....I had a wonderfull time seeing it..and I hope there are many extra scenes when the dvd comes out.. But all in all ...a great time and adventure..go see it..if you wait for home video..it will not have the same effect.. I look forward to the sequal.. and all the best I can say.. "LE FEMME LA MINA"

  • July 11, 2003, 2:08 p.m. CST

    League of Extraordinary BREASTS

    by SenatorNado

    Now, I've rarely had to laugh this hard after watching a movie trailer. The LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN, in addition to having the most obnoxiously long title for a film that should last about a week at the box office, and for getting the worst reviews since, well, every other summer flick this year (except for PIRATES and the occasional forgiving T3 review), got THIS extraordinary TV trailer: http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/lxg/spots/fireinthehole_320x240.html Now notice what the trailer does when the trailer's booming voice announces Peta Wilson: CUT TO: BIG, CLOSE-UP ON PETA's (?) BREASTS One gratuitous, absolutely unnecessary shot of big boobies. with no head nor legs attached. Just big breasts, that may just as well belong to another person entirely. Not that Peta has much more to offer, but come on! Hilarious stuff.

  • July 11, 2003, 2:09 p.m. CST

    FLASH!!! AH-AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

    by Kenshiro_Kane

    *****He'll save everyone of us!***** That is, until I saw Sam J. Jones at 3am outside of the Ralph's Supermarket in North Hollywood, asking for change and looking like he had slept quite a while. Ming may be merciless, but crystal meth is brutal. Word.

  • July 11, 2003, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Hey LewMoxon

    by mtoast

    Great Talkback name! I saw it and thought, Jeez, is there really someone else out there with a brain full of outdated and obscure Batman factoids? Or is that the guy's real name? When I placed my cursor over the ID and saw your email address, I had my answer. Lew Moxon -- one of the earliest retcons in comic book history. Cheers.

  • July 11, 2003, 2:20 p.m. CST

    hey Don Murphy...

    by Kenshiro_Kane

    ... where's Jane Hamsher when you need her? Try "CokeWhores R Us", that's where she was the last time I used her. Word.

  • July 11, 2003, 2:31 p.m. CST

    MToast, you're the first

    by LewMoxon

    You're the first person who actually got the reference, and that includes a number of friends (like myself) who've read way too many comics.

  • July 11, 2003, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Re: Antoninus

    by Meleractor

    Antoninus, I

  • July 11, 2003, 3 p.m. CST

    Lew --

    by mtoast

    Well, over twenty years ago, when I was about ten, I found a copy of "The Encyclopedia of Comic Book Heroes, Volume 1: Batman" by Michael Fleischer in the 99 cents bin at a mall bookstore. It was a full-blown, HUGE encyclopedia, published in 1976 and it was EXHAUSTIVE! I liked Batman before in a uninvolved sort of way, but that book fascinated me. And it made me an expert in the most minute details of the Batman mythos. Poring over that dog-eared book, I became a lifelong Batman fan. I've never forgotten the entry for Lew Moxon. There was this 1956 Dick Sprang panel, with Bruce Wayne, decked out in his father's costume-party bat-suit, scaring the bejeezus out of ol' Lew. I also learned that the Earth-2 Alfred was fat -- and that his last name was "Beagle." But that's even more irrelevant than the rest of this. Oh well, happy Friday!

  • July 11, 2003, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Geez, MURF, you really are a jackass.

    by rev_skarekroe

    I mean so's Godrefla but at least he tries to backup his bastardness with valid points. I was originally going to skip LoEG in the theater because I thought it looked like a dumbed-down, rather clueless version of well-researched and written comic series, but now I'm going to skip it because I don't like you. sk

  • July 11, 2003, 3:21 p.m. CST

    they should have aimed at an older audience . . .

    by GypsyTRobot

    "old" people go to see action/adventure movies too. Heck, when I went to see Pirates of the Carribean, there was a respectable-looking older couple ahead of us in the ticket line - the woman was groping her male companion's derriere, and we couldn't laugh about it in the theater as they sat right in front of us. Anyway, older more literate folks DO know about Dorian Gray, Dracula (Bram Stoker's version), etc. - if the movie producers had targeted an adult mature audience, perhaps they would have come up with a quality product. + BTW Godrefla is a good egg. But I do think LXG will limp its way around the planet and eventually break even, if not making some movie. Waterworld ended up turning a profit so anything's possible.

  • July 11, 2003, 3:22 p.m. CST

    nice to see we all agree..this is a great movie

    by zathras34

    I am so pleased to hear all of the praise this movie is getting..and nice to see everyone jumping on the band wagon and loving LOXG...this is so refreshing... Here's to its sequals....

  • July 11, 2003, 3:48 p.m. CST

    lame

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    Just got back from seeing this and it is actually entertaining. Much of Harry's review only makes sense if you are hung up on the comic. I didn't read the comic and I had no problem with the things he did. Also, the other reviews I read keep bringing up the comic too... people need to get over it. The movie wasn't the greatest, but it was better than Matrix Reloaded, The Hulk, and T3.

  • July 11, 2003, 4:21 p.m. CST

    "Don Murphy" talkback posts now deleted???

    by Kenshiro_Kane

    What gives?? ***** The talkback posts previously accredited to LXG producer Don Murphy have now mysteriously disappeared? ***** Was it a faux Don Murphy? ***** Or is he getting his asshole ripped by someone other than the Talkbackers? ***** Inquiring minds want to know! ***** Word.

  • July 11, 2003, 5:05 p.m. CST

    SenatorNado

    by mtoast

    GREAT observation! Jeez, that is not only a sadly blatant ploy -- but is a disturbingly awkward edit. The editor must have been gritting his teeth while some marketing exec hovered over the AVID and forced him to insert a shot that completely screws the flow. Oh well. The minor titilation (no pun intended) was pleasant.

  • July 11, 2003, 5:27 p.m. CST

    MURF RIP

    by blue7

    First off, I wonder if fools like MURF getting themselves deleted from the talkbacks is what screws up the TB order. Everything was in its proper order all day today, and now look! The order is messed up and there's no more MURF. I offer my humble props to godrefla on two counts -- responding to me with civility and, more importantly, being enough of a pest to make MURF lose his cool and get himself deleted. I only wish I could read MURF's last post for myself. I wonder if he'll reappear as, say, MURPH in another talkback. Oh well, MURF, you sweet sweet soul, we hardly knew ye. Good luck with that sequel to LXG!

  • July 11, 2003, 5:33 p.m. CST

    MURF was indeed Don Murphy

    by blue7

    MURF showed up in a TB about Ken Park and defended the "genius" Larry Clark (his word, not mine). Apparently, MURF's being like fourteenth producer on the masterwork that was Bully gave him insights into the legend who is Larry Clark that almost every other person who has seen his movies has missed. Oh, and Apt Pupil was the essence of mediocrity too. Talk about a crappy adaptation.

  • July 11, 2003, 5:49 p.m. CST

    All and all, i'd say it was really good

    by 007-11

    Aside from shoddy camera work, slapdash editing, and a weak villain. It was just a little sloppy, overall satisfying though. THE DESIGN OF EVERYTHING IS SPECTACULAR.

  • July 11, 2003, 6:06 p.m. CST

    yes, that was Don Murphy-here's why I know

    by zappaman

    How do I know? Cuz he emailed me! Here it is... "Of course you saw it for free. You COULDN'T wait to see it. Any chance to borrow the car and see a film you are off. I may be a hack. I may someday make a film that you like. But you will always know Deep in your heart- You are a NOTHING." Wow. His email is don_murphy@spe.sony.com by the way. I figure if he can feel he can email me, I have the right to post his address and what was said. Anyway, here was my response-- "Hahahahahahaha. Your craptacular is opening today and you're spending time attacking people you don't know? Damn, no wonder Jane Hamsher split-you really are a tool! Yes, I am nothing. And you are...? Oh, right...a shitty producer whose mere prescence is guaranteed to make a film suck ass. Man, your funk is so bad, you could cause a movie to stink just by buying a ticket. Good luck in your future endeavors. And when I say "luck", I mean it. You've already shown that you don't have the skill or talent. Later, Chuckles, and thanks for the laughs. Maybe you are good for something after all." I think his prozac must have kicked in and he requested his posts be deleted and he has yet to respond back to me. Jackass.

  • July 11, 2003, 6:46 p.m. CST

    eff Harry...I'd give it a B+

    by HoldenCaulfield

    fine summer entertainment. superior to T3, Daredevil & Hulk. No really..it's true.

  • July 11, 2003, 10:09 p.m. CST

    At least its better than PIRATES of the Cribean and it has TREVO

    by watashiwadare

    anything with a trevor jones score can't help but have at least a glimmer of class. ah I forgot peeps here are in love with that zimmer idiocy of muzak factory.

  • July 11, 2003, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Don Murphy produced NBK, that's enough to earn a place at the

    by watashiwadare

    Natural Born Killers the only film of 1994 to have the balls to be about anything. If he never prod. anything else, it wouldn't matter.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:08 p.m. CST

    AWFUL

    by 81666

    man oh man! this movie was hilarious! there was so much potential with this, and this was the movie i wanted to see out of all the comic ones (besides hellboy) but yow, ome of the visual effects were downright hilarious!! the building exploding in africa. (watch the reactions, cuz you can tell nothing happens) the evil giant git towards the end. wow. real awful and the most hilarious african voodoo shenanigans i've ever seen towards the end.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:13 p.m. CST

    81666, :the new york post review

    by 81666

    yes they fucked up by revealing the identity of the FANTOM, and i was pissed, but the movie was so awful, i really didn't give a shit. also the chick mistook the "M" character as an in joke for james bond fans. quite funny indeed.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Oh my God folks, Antoninus tries to bore us with his "knowledge"

    by chien_sale

    Continue to do so

  • July 12, 2003, 12:25 a.m. CST

    WTF

    by antmanx68

    Harry has the fat choked off the blood supply to your brain? LXG was pure fun, It was fucking out of control how badass it was. I loved the characters and enjoyed every moment of absurdity.... You fucking rave about the Hulk but bash LXG??? Get your hand out of your ass and stop acting like you are personally involved with all these fictional character who you claim are so misrepresented. Mina Harker isnt even a vampire after Bram Stoker's Dracula, but you didnt bitch about that.... And the entire LXG universe exists in a place where Banner like hulks exist, people can be immortal, Vampires are real, and people are invisisble.... In other words dont fucking bitch about stuff in the movie that couldnt "possibly happen"..... Cars, tanks, automatics, and Kevlar are tame compared to the very nature of the story.... how do people like you get your own site, I wonder.

  • July 12, 2003, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Defending Murphy

    by jmachinder

    At the very least, the guy has an amazing eye for both talent and material. He got very excited about Quentin's scripts right out of the gate and has worked incredibly hard to bring numerous fanboy-loved properties to the big screen. Unlike most producers, development people or studio executvies, he's an authentic fanboy and is a walking encyclopedia of geek knowledge. The guy may breathe the same air as us, but is on a different energy level. He works non-stop and with a relentless vigor that people trying to break into showbusiness could learn from. The reason he's gotten to produce so many movies, good or bad, is through sheer hard work. Even if one doesn't like a single one of the movies he's produced, I'm not really clear on how he deserves a lion's share of the blame. It's not like if someone on the talkback wrote a rave review of LXG they'd be giving Murphy credit. The director would be the genius. Lastly, there is no greater venue for expressing things in the heat of the moment that you regret later than the internet. I know I've done it. The difference is I'm not a movie producer, so no one cares.

  • July 12, 2003, 1:51 a.m. CST

    THIS MOVIE IS GREAT/ why are we still in the negative universe i

    by watashiwadare

    It has power, taste, awesome action, good characters, intelligent writing, old school spectacle-- I'm amazed you don't like this! What DO you like? that stupid pirate movie? Thats explains everything! Ok, add one more excellent pic to the list with Hulk, AI, Minority Report, Gamgs of New York, movies too classy to tolerate.

  • July 12, 2003, 2:22 a.m. CST

    LXG WAS REALLY GOOD!

    by Dreadpiratedan

    Harry, what the heck man? The transformations in the Hulk movie you loved so much were super boring and uncreative. In LXG the process looked painful for Dr. Jekyll. The sequence is wild and a little disorienting. Perfect! Ya know, we all love movies as much as you do, but I think you need to be a little more responsible. I love this site and what you do here, but you need to understand that people make decisions about what they want to see based on what you say. Can't you learn to decide if a movie is good without having to delve into every happy moment in your childhood? Should directors, who really work hard to express their vision, stop mid production and go "Gee, what would Harry Knowle's inner child want to see here?" Because if they don't figure it out, it doesn't get counted as a good movie to you. My little brother almost passed on this film because of your review. I talked him into going and it turned out to be the best thing we saw this summer! I love Pirate's of the Carribean ( I love all things pirates!) But it was not better than LXG. We're counting on you to help us make informed decisions on what is worth seeing, not on whether or not The Mummy Returns was a great film because it reminded you of trips you had taken as a child. (That reason didn't do it for me.) I do want to thank you for this site though. I love it and I check it 3 times a day. Keep up the great work! And everyone, check out LXG with an open mind. It's a fun movie!

  • July 12, 2003, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Well, that does it....

    by The Pants

    I was really looking forward to this movie. I wanted it to be a big breakthrough movie, but now it seems like it will tank. Of course, this means that all the other small/relatively unheard of comics/graphic novels don't stand a chance in hell of being made. This includes Preacher, Sandman and various others I would have liked to have seen. Personally, I still can't believe Hellboy is being made (God Bless Guillermo Del Toro) but now the studio suits will be wary and stick it in some awful spot with no ads. This also means that studios will only produce mainstream CRAP like WunderWohman, SHAZAM!, Punisher, Ghost Rider, Superman, Batman, Capt. America, and other has-been shit that has generated LESS THAN NO INTEREST. These will all inevitably tank and Hollywood will move on to it's next abomination. Remember the 90's? Spielberg made Jurassic Park and suddenly every novel became a movie. Specifically Crichton and Grisham novels. Then came the sequel generation. The late '90's to 2001 saw nothing but sequels to crappy movies. Also in the late 90's was the TV show movie escapades. Brady Bunch, Mission Impossible, Car 54, McHale's Navy, etc. etc. This comic book phase is only temporary. Spiderman and X-men shall be the only ones to emerge from the wreckage of studio gluttony as franchises. As is to be expected as Spiderman and X-men are the only decent mainstream comics. However, since Batman, the only comic movies to impress me were X2 and Hulk. Despite never being a Hulk fan, I deeply enjoyed seeing an intelligently made summer movie. (Insult Matrix Bash here). But don't fret comic geeks, we will soon have the Hollywood suits out of our hair and back to destroying someone else's hopes and dreams of film adaptations. P.S. Pirates was damn good. Col. Depp as Hunter S. Thompson as Keith Richards as a pirate. AH HELL YEAH!!!

  • July 12, 2003, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Continued....Evil Meets Evil is a good thing

    by The Pants

    I am aware that in my last post and in the Pirates thread I said Pirates was good. Well, it is. I couldn't believe it myself, but I enjoyed a Bruckheimerstultengarrenassenfuckendickensuckenseigheilessenmeinescheisseneinstockenblockensprockets (he's german) movie. I HATE Bruckenbrockenstaltenhoffer movies and the only thing I hate more than Bruckeneiffenstiltenschwartzenvitteloffenbrackenslappen is live-action Disney. But somehow, with their evil powers combined (and largely thanks to Hunter S. Thompson's influence on Depp) it turned out to be a damn good movie. Now keep in mind that every movie Bruckenhitlerrommelhimlermangela has ever made has been pure shit and every live action Disney movie has been pure shit. Using this theory, I'd like to see a joint project between Miramax (the 2nd crappiest studio, also a Disney property, hmmm) and M. Night Slapahappypuppyshamalamadingdong (the biggest hack producer/director). If my theory is correct and properly applied, but with a gifted director in place of M. Night Hack (although he will be producing), that movie may very well be an incredible landmark of 21st century filmmaking. I don't know, it's just a theory. HUNTER S. THOMPSON, KINGDOM OF FEAR, read it now. Col. Depp commands you.

  • July 12, 2003, 4:02 a.m. CST

    This movie made me sad

    by Bryan

    Not just because it wasted one of my favorite comics but because it puts a blot on the filmography of a promising director. I figured even if he was going to change the story and characters, this premise would be incredible in the hands of a guy who could turn a character as flimsy as Blade into a classic. I was really pushing for this movie, even after a friend of mine saw a screening, called it the worst movie of the year and begged me not to pay money to see it. I figured there was no way a director as talented as Norrington could make a movie as bad as she said. Unfortunately, I really feel the movie is not even worth seeing except to prove to yourself that it didn't work. It's not something you find yourself swearing at in disgust like a BATMAN AND ROBIN but it just doesn't really succeed on any level. The only things that are very cool are little details like the ornamentation on the submarine and the car. I don't mind that they changed the characters, but why change them in ways that make them so much blander? Quatermain in the comic has to redeem himself after wasting away for years in an opium den, the one in the movie just has to give Tom Sawyer tips on aiming his gun. You tell me which one is more dramatic. I suppose Invisible Man #2 and Nemo are pretty cool, and I don't really mind what they did to Mina (even if she should've stayed the leader and with horrible neck wounds). But with such a large cast it is sad to leave you with no character you really feel you got to know or even really want to see more of. Tom Saywer adds nothing, and certainly doesn't act as a way into the story for Americans as intended, since he's portrayed as such a doofus that nobody is going to relate to his character just because he says "ain't" and mentions America every once in a while. The biggest problem though is the script (by a writer I previously thought was pretty good) which just jumps around with no narrative drive and without seeming to give much thought to anything. If nobody has ever seen a car before, why does Tom Sawyer know how to drive a car? If Mina is a vampire why don't they bother to cover her up during day scenes (and don't tell me vampires are different in this universe - Dracula is where we get the whole vampires in daylight notion)? A couple times the script was downright insulting - like when the embarassingly bad villain was referred to as "the Phantom" and Quatermain had to say, "very operatic." I know that many of my fellow Americans are idiots, but come on, give us a LITTLE credit. The one that I could hardly believe was Quatermain's name. Too hard to pronounce? Don't worry! We'll put in an 'r' so it's Quartermain! * * * Oh well, we still have the comic, and I bet Norrington will redeem himself since his next movie will have to be a smaller one. I might have to take back the nice things I said about Don Murphy in the last talkback though. If you make a movie like this and then go online and belittle everyone for not wanting to see it, maybe you don't deserve the slack I was willing to give. * * * P.S. And I'm usually not this cynical but I am absolutely positive that the test screening reviews Harry posted before were plants. It is possible (if unlikely) that someone somewhere would compare this movie to Raiders of the Lost Ark, think that the barely moveable rubber Hyde arms were better than The Hulk, and that Norrington "made Connery a rock star" in the bland fight scenes. But I can't imagine one person would believe all of those things, much less three people at the same screening who didn't work on the movie or know the filmmakers personally.

  • July 12, 2003, 4:58 a.m. CST

    The Woodman makes a good point.

    by Voice O. Reason

    When one year sees 4+ comic adaptations, there a problem.

  • July 12, 2003, 4:59 a.m. CST

    The Woodman makes a good point.

    by Voice O. Reason

    When one year sees 4+ comic adaptations, theres a problem.

  • July 12, 2003, 5:18 a.m. CST

    "M" IS an inside joke re: James Bond. Sort of.

    by Andy Travis

    In the comic (first series) the head of the whole shebang is "M", or Moriarty--in the 2nd series "M" is Mycroft Holmes (Sherlock's smarter, fatter brother--who IS from the Doyle stories, by the way). M's "2nd in command" (sort of) is Campion Bond, an Alan Moore-created character. Moore has said he created him as an ancestor to future agent James Bond. The whole M psudonym is based upon fact, as the original head of one of Britain's intelligence agencies (either M15 or M16, I forget) was called M, as a shortening of his last name. The tradition continued for awhile after, and doubtless Ian Fleming was aware of this when he wrote the 007 novels.

  • July 12, 2003, 6:54 a.m. CST

    What's that sound? It is the sound of TREACHERY!!!

    by Black Caeser

    It was almost worth it to here Nemo say that line.

  • July 12, 2003, 9:05 a.m. CST

    HARRY OLD SON, THIS IS THE KIND OF REVIEW I'D EXPECT FOR THE HUL

    by TheGinger Twit

  • July 12, 2003, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Movie was Great!

    by hipnosis

    I just saw League and I thought it was great. I also read the comics and although this was not the comic book, it was the characters pretty closely. The only major differences I saw (besides adding Tom Sawyer and Dorian Grey) was that in this one Quatermain wasn't a junky and Mina actually showed why she wore the scarf (which I never understood why she didn't do anything in the book). I thought Hyde and Nemo were awesome, as well as Skinner. I loved the names of the authors on the poster in London.....really nice homage. I thought the story was a little weak, but what great characters and a whole lot of action. I hope there is a another one.....

  • That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. hollywood has been making movies based on comic (strips and books) since there was a Hollywood. now that CGI can replicate almost any fantastical scenario imaginable, we will be seeing more than ever. Some will do well, some won't. JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER MOVIES THEY MAKE!!!! Did Hollywood stop making movies based on books after "The Shipping News" tanked?

  • July 12, 2003, 10:02 p.m. CST

    I Saw Pirates & lxg today.

    by TALK DROID

    Saw pirates at a 11:05 matinee, 3/4 full. Great movie! Depp frickin' rocked, just a tottally insane character, quirky as always Depp. Saw LXG at !:50 Completely sold out, there were even people standing up along the walls. Totally shocked me , how enjoyable it was. and the audience clapped for about 3 minutes ater it was over. Now it wasn't the best film I've seen in a while, but the last film I saw when the audience did this was the two towers, so i was pretty surprised.

  • July 12, 2003, 10:09 p.m. CST

    What the hell was everybody so freaked out about?

    by Terry_1978

    People were buzzing about this thing left and right, saying it was a disaster, it was a horrible movie, etc. I went earlier today to see it, with a full house, mind you, and it was pretty cool, truth be told. When most of the characters were introduced, you could hear little whispers in the audience about how they read or knew of the characters like Mina Harker, Mr. Hyde, Nemo, etc. Yeah, it was pretty fast paced with too many action sequences at times, but you expected something else exactly? I liked Pirates, and I liked this one too...Pirates may win the box office due to all the positive buzz, but League was not a bad movie.

  • July 12, 2003, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Not Great, But Good

    by TrampForVamps

    I just got back from seeing "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen". Yesterday, I followed my usual custom of reading several reviews before seeing the film. Of all the ones I read, Harry's is definitely the most kind. Almost every film critic out there hated this movie with the fire of a thousand suns. If "LXG" were a person and not a film, they would draw, quarter, burn, mutilate, shoot at and behead it. They hated it that much. But reading all of that negativity actually worked out well for me because it wasn't half as bad as I expected it to be. The best acting performances came from Sir Sean, Shane West and Peta Wilson. In addition, there are some really great action scenes. My favorite was when the refined and elegant Nemo kicks butt and takes names in a fight with several armed assassins. After it's all over, they're all dead or knocked out cold; his turban isn't even askew. As for negatives, I think Venice was an absolutely asinine place to stage a quarter of the movie. As Roger Ebert pointed out (I didn't see any other critic mention this), Venice doesn't *have* streets you can drive a car down and there's no way the Nautilus could have entered the narrow canals of the city in the first place. The writers had all of Europe to choose from and they had to pick the city that made the least sense. I was also a little annoyed that there was no way for the audience to figure out who the Phantom was and no explanation given as to how Quartermain figured it out. Other than that, I wasn't bothered by the movie's shortcomings. If you go with the idea in mind that you're sitting down to a mindless, summer popcorn movie, you won't be disappointed.

  • July 12, 2003, 10:38 p.m. CST

    DOES ANYONE HAVE THE ORIGINAL DON "I HATE CHRISTIANS" MURPHY POS

    by Kenshiro_Kane

    Did anyone bother to copy them or save them? I'd love to see the now-infamous words of the LXG producer reposted here. 'Specially the one where he compared Christians to murderers and child molesters. Groovy hate speak, Donny! Talk about an "Extrordinary Gentleman"... Don, baby, you're quite the tool! Word.

  • July 12, 2003, 11:58 p.m. CST

    I Saw Pirates & lxg today.

    by TALK DROID

    Saw pirates at a 11:05 matinee, 3/4 full. Great movie! Depp frickin' rocked, just a tottally insane character, quirky as always Depp. Saw LXG at !:50 Completely sold out, there were even people standing up along the walls. Totally shocked me , how enjoyable it was. and the audience clapped for about 3 minutes ater it was over. Now it wasn't the best film I've seen in a while, but the last film I saw when the audience did this was the two towers, so i was pretty surprised.

  • July 13, 2003, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Thoughts on LXG

    by pen22

    I think this was a great, fun film. This is one one the only film that I've seen this summer besides X2 and T3 where everyone left happy. I don't understand why critics are so hard on it. This is a clear case of critics being out of touch with average movie fan. I love how Mr. Hyde looked! Hyde is what Hulk should have been. Imagine hyde with longer black hair and green skin and he would make an almost perfect Hulk. I loved the transformation scenes also, they gave you the feeling that the change was very painful with one side of his body changing before the other. I also think the "evil Hyde" looked fine. Remember, he was supposed to show what someone would look like after an overdose of the potion. My only small problem with this movie is with Rodney Skinner. Even if he did put white makeup on, his head would not look that solid. There would still be see through spots, but I know they couldn't afford to keep up the "transparent" effect for two hours. No big deal. I can't wait for part 2 if they can hurry up Sean is almost 73! Did he really die?

  • July 13, 2003, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Sorry, but...what problem with transformation?

    by Gislef_crow

    Did they maybe reedit the scene before the critic showing and the theatrical release? I didn't see any problem with it. Neither did anyone else I was with. Yes, they showed it in a bit of "frozen" moments, rather then an ongoing transformation. But there didn't seem to be more then two or three quick shots (in a frickin' movie filled with quick cuts :( ).

  • July 13, 2003, 2:36 a.m. CST

    I Don't Get It At All

    by PPCHETERO

    Aside from an off-beat idea, what was there to like about this movie??? Bad performances, bad realizations (they totally missed the essence of Tom Sawyer, Invisible Man, and Jekyll) and bad, bad, Michael Bay-esque editing. And yet the film dripped with confidence (too much winking at it's own obvious twists). And by the way, why did the film feel the need to make it such a dramatic revelation that M was Sherlock Holmes' arch-nemesis. All I thought upon seeing that was, "Okay, that makes sense," but it certainly seemed to me that were going for an *gasp* moment there. Anyway, my point is that this was one film where I couldn't find anything...ANYTHING...to like. But if you get a chance check out "Pirates of the Carribean," because it's terrific despite being a little too long.

  • July 13, 2003, 2:53 a.m. CST

    defenders of the earth

    by herbertherbal

    are we likely to see a live action version of THE DEFENDERS OF THE EARTH,

  • July 13, 2003, 12:33 p.m. CST

    budget

    by jmachinder

    IMDB had it at $110 million. Boxofficemojo has it at $78 million. No way was marketing close to either of those numbers. Boxofficeguru's prediction for the weekend was $22 million. Boxofficemojo's was 10.7. The average prediction from boxofficemojo's derby game was $20.7. Early estimates can be off, but it looks like the opening gross will squeak past all those expectations. Not bad. However, a big dip in the second weekend could indeed be lurking. Word of mouth (Rottentomatoes and otherwise) isn't good. The gross-to-speed-and-prestige-of-subsequent-greenlights is a difficult equation. "From Hell" had a production cost of $35 million, grossed $31.6 domestically and Murhpy marched right on to a film with over twice the budget. At this point in time, $75 million looks like it would a great final gross. A bit less than that seems likely.

  • July 13, 2003, 12:36 p.m. CST

    godrefla, I had the same felling

    by tweedie

    This last posts looks like a lot of plants. Shame on you Don.

  • July 13, 2003, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Thaads reellie dumm!!!!

    by Dreadpiratedan

    Oh my gosh! That's crazy! People are plants because they spell well. Thahts toadally stoopid!!!! (that should put your mind at ease) The movie was fun! It was different. It WAS corny but in a good way. And why would you get so angry about anybody liking it just because you didn't? That's crazy. I went in thinking I would hate it and I really wound up liking this movie. It wasn't the best movie ever, but at least it wasn't a a bunch of talking heads like Hulk, or the opening sequence of a video game, which is all matrix looked like, a or a rehash of an old idea like T3. It moved and felt like a comic book, like a dark Dick Tracey. Just chill out. If you didn't like it fine. But I did. Sow thair!

  • July 13, 2003, 6:48 p.m. CST

    LXG can SMD

    by blue7

    Hello, all you new talkbackers who have never posted before and coincidentally enough all enjoyed the salty spunk out of This Summer's Greatest Thrill Ride aka LXmuthafukkinG. Thanks for setting the record straight. I'd so much prefer dropping at least $7.50 (for a matinee no less) to see milquetoast mediocrity, as you all call it. "Not great but good" as, strangely enough, more than one of you has seen fit to describe it, eh? Sure. You all and MURF can go hug a nut.

  • July 13, 2003, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Jeez... Don Murphy's talkback posts disappear... only to be repl

    by Kenshiro_Kane

    ... imagine that! Even plants straight from Tommy Chong's garden won't help LXG. Face it, Don... you can't polish a turd (and you should know, from all of the shit on your hands.) Word.

  • July 14, 2003, 12:33 a.m. CST

    League Of Homophobic Reviewers?

    by CRanapia

    I'm all for 'complicated' reviews, but I fail to see the 'complication' in calling The Phantom a "fucking creampuff pansy." The only thing that's deep about b.s. like that is the reviewer's homophobia.

  • July 14, 2003, 12:34 a.m. CST

    The League: Good Movie getting a bad rap from so-called "critics

    by Jmouse007

    I have been visiting AICN for years and felt compelled to register in order to refute the bad rap LXG is getting from the so-called "critics". Our whole family saw LXG on Saturday and we thoroughly enjoyed it as did the entire audience judging from their responses during and after the film. No it wasn't Casablanca or Bladerunner; neither was it The Wild Wild West or The Avengers. It was a very good summer action/adventure flick. As for the criticisms regarding Venice... hello, it is an ALTERNATE WORLD, not the real one and as such it can have roads a mile wide and the canals can be as deep or shallow as their CREATOR wants them to be, all because it is a FICTIONAL WORLD! Regarding the Hyde change... "where is the beef?" It was good and as someone mentioned earlier, it left the audience with the impression that the change over was a very painful experience. No LXG was not a mirror-image of the comic book; sin of sins, Quartermain was not doing cocaine; characters were added and some missing but SO WHAT? The last books to film I saw were The Pianist, and Catch Me If You Can, having read the books these directors also took license with the stories in order to bring them to the big screen and tell them within two hours... NO BIG DEAL, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME! If you want the book, read the book. While the Phantom's disguise wasn't earth-shatteringly unique; neither was it unrealistic for the period and it served it's intended purpose of throwing off the hunters as to his identity. While it possibly would have been better/more mysterious to leave his face unseen, ala Blofeld in the early Bond films, that is a minor point and in no way worthy of a valid reason for panning the film or saying people should avoid it. Probably too fast paced, yes but they had to introduce seven separate characters (not including M and the Phantom) as well as set the plot for the story. Given that task, they did an admirable job. Possibly too many fights and explosions, maybe, but many of the people complaining were also the very same people that complained that The Hulk and Matrix 2 were too slow and didn't have enough "action". Simply put, you cannot please everyone. Given the LXG storyline and the fact that this was a summer action/adventure film and not "Gosford Park", I think the action was fine. We saw T3 and it also had "too much action" for some people on this forum; their complaint: T3 was not as

  • July 14, 2003, 1:27 a.m. CST

    LXG

    by CrackerJak

    I just saw League and thought it was a decent, fun movie. As someone who's read the comics, I'll say, no, it isn't the same, but the movie is entertaining. What it is,is a quick pace action film that I enjoyed more than most Summer films last year. This isn't a comparison in terms of quality, but it reminded me of The Rocketeer. I saw it with two other people, my girlfriend said it was ok, and me and my brother both liked it. We all said it was a good movie though. So, if youre in the mood for a pretty fun action movie, check it out. I hope you dig it!

  • July 14, 2003, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Wow

    by Ribbons

    I usually hate cries of "PLANT!", but there is definitely one plant, if not more, in this talkback. One assessment is correct: the dismal performance of these comic book movies doesn't necessarily signal the end of superhero flicks at your cinema; after all, they are still blockbuster goldmines. It merely means that the studios involved will, well, "involve" themselves with the production, creating less artistically flattering (but more commercially viable) results. At the same time, more obscure titles like 'Ghost World' or, more appropriately, 'Y: The Last Man,' will not be chanced on. It's actually a foolish notion; each film has its own idiosyncracies and to chalk up a dismal performance to lack of formula is ludicrous, but integrity WILL be compromised, if "needs" be, that I don't doubt. As much as you all have bashed Don Murphy for threatening your reason for being, I think that I'd actually be cautiously optimistic about a project he was involved with, because as a comic fan I'd know that his heart would be in the right place. The idea Lauren Shuler-Donner sticking her grubby fingers into 'Hellblazer,' in contrast, does not make me sleep easy. Haven't seen the 'LXG,' though I intend to. I must admit, however, that being told to shell out $8.50 by undercover operatives does not boost my confidence in this movie. "Rock Star Man Meat" Sean Connery, the movie's draw of sorts, looks like he's poking fun at his previous screen personas, which is never a good thing for the dignity of a performance. If it weren't for Norrington I'd probably abandon the effort altogether. Oh yeah, and since this IS a comic-related talkback, I'd like to remind Avi Arad and Columbia Pictures to KEEP MARK STEVEN JOHNSON THE FUCK AWAY FROM 'GHOST RIDER'! NO, MOTHERFUCKERS, NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

  • July 14, 2003, 8:45 a.m. CST

    LXG did not suck

    by Larry Jay

    And No I am NOT a plant. I am a faceless minion of your govt. I went to see this with my daughter (who for some reason is a BIG Peta Wilson fan). I agree that the movie was unevenly directed and did not respect the source material. But the action was well done, the character interaction was marvelous, SEAN CONNERY IS A GOD and the invisible man made me envious (naked and invisible how much mischief could I create, HMM??) Good summer flick, by my scale this summer has been GREAT movie watching so far I rank them as follows, 1-X2 2.T3 3. HULK 4. Matrix reloaded 5. LXG. I haven't seen PIRATES yet so I will revise the list after that viewing. LXG did not suck, No it's not a classic either but I felt my money was well spent. I was entertained. ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD

  • July 14, 2003, 1:15 p.m. CST

    BEST MOVIE OF THE SUMMER

    by moststuffsucks

  • July 14, 2003, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Read all about MURF...

    by mtoast

    On the off-chance that anybody's still here, I thought I'd offer some insight into Mr. Murphy's character. Having read his posts here -- and having engaged in a little talkback sparring match with him a few weeks ago -- I had some strong questions about his character. But I also admired his charging into the fray to defend his work -- even if his style was a little harsh. Anyhow, I encourage anyone who wants to learn about the guy to check out the book, "Killer Instinct" by his former business partner, Jane Hamsher. It details how the two young struggling wannabe producers landed the script for "Natural Born Killers" and rode a nasty crazy ego-driven roller coaster through Hollywood hell. You can preview the first twenty pages or so at Amazon.com. And those twenty pages alone give you a real sense of Don Murphy's character. And, believe it or not, you might even find yourself loving the big lug. Check it out.

  • July 14, 2003, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Fun Movie, Liked Hyde more than 90% of Hulk

    by Sci_Fi_Wasabe

    This movie wasn't nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. It ain't Citizen Kane, but it's still fun. Could've been better, but could've been a whole lot worse. I'm beginning to think that the internet and obsession with criticism is damaging the moviegoing experience (at least for me). Sean was top notch, loved Nemo, liked the Jeckyll performance and thought the Hyde makeup/cgi/Hobbit-cam technique for resizing folks worked so much better than most of the Hulk CGI. I liked the Hulk ( don't know anyone else who did) but except for a few scenes that were exceptional, it wasn't realistic. Gimme a CGI touched up make-up/man in suit any day (Blade 2 Reapers). A few groaners in the movie and some lapses in logic (How come Mina can handle bright sunny days on the deck of a ship if she's a Vamp). I read a few issues of the comic about 2 years ago, and thought the concept was cooler than the execution. Same deal with the movie, but I still liked both versions.

  • July 15, 2003, 2:23 a.m. CST

    NBK sucked copious amounts of balls as well

    by blue7

    From Hell, Apt Pupil, and Permanent Midnight were not all that bad. Mediocre to decent at times. Natural Born Killers, however, is one of the worst fucking pieces of garbage I've ever paid money to see. A more vapid, annoying, and poseurish waste of time I can scarcely imagine. What a fucking steaming dump. Made Henry:Portrait of a Serial Killer seem deep by comparison. Destiny Turns On the Radio is probably the only thing QT should be as mortified to have been involved with. MURF, if that's the jewel in your crown, whoop-de-doo. Those of you out there who shepherded your families to bask in the poo shower of LXG are welcome to it, too. Make sure to tell everyone here how great it was and how the 81% of critics polled on RT who say it sucks cancerous pig sphincter are so very wrong while you're at it. I sense a long Christmas card list for MURF this season!

  • July 15, 2003, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Worse than I ever dreamed

    by Homer Sexual

    I love the comic, went with friends who don't read them. We all found the movie excruciatingly dull. Flash Gordon is cheesy as can be, but still fun and entertaining. LXG is nothing but a big yawn. Connery is whatever, the supporting actors blank, the effects not so impressive. Despite that, a decent script or director could have made a fun popcorn flick. This was not fun. It was a yawner. Just badly done in every way. I hate to say this, but "Blade" was ten times better--and it wasn't that great.

  • July 15, 2003, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Worse than I ever dreamed

    by Homer Sexual

    I love the comic, went with friends who don't read them. We all found the movie excruciatingly dull. Flash Gordon is cheesy as can be, but still fun and entertaining. LXG is nothing but a big yawn. Connery is whatever, the supporting actors blank, the effects not so impressive. Despite that, a decent script or director could have made a fun popcorn flick. This was not fun. It was a yawner. Just badly done in every way. I hate to say this, but "Blade" was ten times better--and it wasn't that great.

  • July 16, 2003, 12:53 a.m. CST

    LXG = AOK!

    by Jervis Tetch

    Liked it. Look, this summer has been pretty sucky so far, and I put this one right behind T3 for its courage in getting the action up and moving in the first three minutes and roaring through to a quick finish without getting too serious about things. Hyde looked pretty good and it didn't take a whole hour of psuedo-intellectual Freudian sleep time to see him as it did with the Hulkster. As for Connery -- folks, he's 72, we aren't going to see him much longer. He was the Best Bond, godammit. Celebrate him! I thought he held it together pretty well. Nemo was a nice twist on the character, and a badass as well. Peta/Mina nice (no cleavage like in the ad, though.) Nice look and voice and attitude on "an" invisible man. The Victorian sets were pretty impressive, effects fine, action not bad. PS. Bad news I read: Monica Belluci had the Mina part but gave it up (Damn! Talk about your cleavage! Maybe that's Belluci's breasts on Peta Wilson in the poster, eh?) PPS. I am not a plant, and Don Murphy is still an asshole -- from all I've read.

  • July 16, 2003, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Great film. Harry is an idiot who acts like he likes Charlies A

    by Smeg For Brains

    And the fact that so many other morons don't like it just makes me feel better about it. You can all take your Bad Bays 2's, and Hulkses, and other shitty action films, and shove em. I'll keep the League, because it doesn't treat it's audience like the idiots they are.

  • July 17, 2003, 12:39 a.m. CST

    rubbish

    by Subversive01057

    Don't even bother. One of the worst films ever made. The Hulk was better. Heck, even movies like Dungeons & Dragons and Spy Kids were better. I assume the comics were much better than this garbage.

  • July 17, 2003, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Too many flaws to count

    by Subversive01057

  • July 17, 2003, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Failed to engage on any level

    by jinX

    Felt like a movie that never started. Everything that happens in the plot feels like it is leading up to where the action or the story really gets going...but it never really does. Its lacking a climax. The big action pieces fell flat and I could never really get into the movie. It would make a better pilot for a tv series.

  • July 17, 2003, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Mina and the scarf

    by jinX

    The comic DID get around to showing why Mina wears the scarf. After sex with Quartermain, the scarf comes undone revealing a grotesquesly half crushed neck underneath. "Not the discreet two puncture wounds or legend is it?" remarked Mina to a horrified Quartermain. I like that version better.------------------------------------- I liked how the movie had Mina go all vampy and then struggle to regain her very victorian ladylike composure in that first scene. Why her hair was suddenly Dark Phoenix curly in the endgame scenes stymies me as does why they omitted at least a throwaway line about how Mina is able to go out in sunlight...which I would expect is the common thought for both the people in the movie and in the movie's audience.

  • July 17, 2003, 1:42 p.m. CST

    LXG IS A GOOD MOVIE - ONLY COMIC OBSESSED QUEERS WON'T LIKE IT..

    by EUROTRASH

    .....AND MATRIX RELOADED IS THE WORST BIG BUDGET MOVIE OF THE YEAR.

  • July 17, 2003, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Godrefla has been banned.

    by godrefla2

    And all my posts have been removed from this talkback. Those facts alone should tell you everything you'd ever want to know about the integrity of Ain't It Cool News. I am never, ever coming back to this site ever again. What bullshit.

  • July 18, 2003, 12:29 a.m. CST

    This Summer does not sizzle, it fizzles

    by Clio

    No, I have not read the LXG comic, or graphic novel; I just went to this one because the trailer looked interesting, and it was one more chance to get in out of the Texas heat. I would have probably loved this movie had it come out when I was a kid. But now? Absolutely nothing memorable about it. If I think about a movie the day after, or talk about it with someone, then it made an impression. This one was mostly pleasant while I watched it, but that's all, and I've forgotten it already. First of all, the sets showing London, Paris, and Venice were not good looking at all--really cheesy looking. But nothing was more ridiculous than the portrayal of Venice. I've been to Venice about ten times, taking my students on summer trips. Good God...what were these people thinking?! The canals are all tiny, so shallow you can walk through them, and not a single bridge exists that any medium-sized ship could pass under (only the Grand Canal is large). And the Nautilus was cruising up and down! And there are NO streets in Venice--no car can careem through the streets!! God, that was awful. And the people in the Carnivale, when the destruction ended, went back to smiling and talking when the destruction ended. They had just witnessed the destruction of St. Mark's Basilica with no visible reaction!!! My wife and I nearly fell out of our seats at that. But I will agree with Harry that there were a few excellent moments: the attack of the Phantom's men in the library; the early scenes with Sean C. in Africa, and....uh...well, that's about it. I agree that comic book movies are an idea whose time should be ended. Good grief, every time I think I'll try to see the Hulk, I see the CGI on an ad and I refuse to go. Put it to rest, people, let these movies die. What a disappointing run of blockbusters from May through July.

  • July 18, 2003, 3:48 p.m. CST

    QUATERMAIN?!?!?!?

    by fonebone

    CORRECT SPELLING, PLEASE!!!!

  • July 18, 2003, 3:50 p.m. CST

    whoops

    by fonebone

    nevermind (slink . . . slink . . . slink)

  • July 18, 2003, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Venice in the movie

    by TrampForVamps

    I see your point, Jmouse007. We are dealing with a fictional world here. In the real Victorian era, there were no machine guns and automobiles, but they are part of the movie. True. But even a fictional world should be governed by rules. For example, the "advanced" technology used by both sides *has* a valid explanation. The good guys have Nemo, who's a scientific genius and the villains have the Phantom, who is also a genius. They are the ones creating these devices, so I can accept 20th and 21st century tech in a 19th century setting because of that. But to randomly change things for the sake of changing them is another story. There isn't any reason given -- not even a lame one -- as to why Venice *suddenly* has wide streets and other features that Venice doesn't have. It's ridiculous to make it into something it's not for no reason. They could have just used any port city in Europe and the storyline involving the underwater bombs would have been the same. I still say using Venice was an asinine choice on the part of the filmmakers.

  • July 19, 2003, 8:46 a.m. CST

    The League

    by spider4213

    I saw this movie twice last weekend. Granted it wasn't the League that I read and loved, but please people, it was a good movie. I know it wasn't the Matrix, but you know what...I enjoyed this movie more than that one. If you really want to see good comic movies get made...ie..Preacher, Y, Fables....then put your money where your mouth is and at least go see this movie and give it a chance. I really enjoyed this movie and thought it was a fun adaptation of Allan's work. I know it wasn't totally faithful...so what? It was a fun movie and I enjoyed myself Friday and Saturday night. (please refrain from pointing out that I have no life:>) Bottom line...Good movie, go see it...we need to support cool comic francises like this if we want to see movies bases on other than tentpole francises. thanks sdc

  • July 21, 2003, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Just because you can do something

    by reelgriff

    Doesn't mean you should. Take all the falling buildings in Venice. Nicely done...but so what? Just a waste of everyone's time, sadly. I want the two hours of my life back.

  • July 22, 2003, 1:40 a.m. CST

    He likes jar jar but hates LXG...this movie rocked!, what ever H

    by iamarayya

    I am gonna see this cool movie again and cant wait till the DVD...Peta is waaaaaaaaaay hotter the Jolie baby!

  • July 23, 2003, 5:39 a.m. CST

    not again

    by Ramses

    Right, I just spent days downloading this movie coz I am a big Connery fan. For some reason only the Americans get this movie now, while Europe has to wait till september, the Uk till october even. This movie did not suck at all (as far as i can see on my shitty illegal copy ;) ). Connery whooped ass like the best of em. Only the ending pisses me off. I wont say what happened in case I spoil it, but oh my, how angry I was they this. Why does this always happen? I just hope there is a sequal otherwise I am gonna go nuts.

  • July 23, 2003, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I really liked this movie. Harry, you're slowly and gradually be

    by Uncle Sam

    Best film this summer after X2 and Hulk. Absolutely nothing wrong with the Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde transformation. Flashes of light, puffs of smoke, twisted flesh, all of it more dramatic and intense than the underwhelming CGI transformation of Bruce Banner into the Hulk. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the teamwork. That scene outside the fortress/factory on the Mongolian frozen lake, where the Invisible Man, Mina Harker and Mr. Hyde take care of the guards together, wow, never seen THAT in an X-Men film. LXG is the closest thing we'll ever get to a JLA or Avengers flick. Is it a little too fast-paced and confusing at times? Yes. Does it require a little too much foreknowledge from the audience member (I seriously doubt that the average American knows ANYTHING pertaining to 19th century literature)? Also yes. But its great, its beautiful, and I want to see a Director's Cut DVD and a worthy sequel (I want to see MARTIANS!). Harry, you gave that disgraceful piece of shit T3 "thumbs up", and you DARE put down the League? Sheesh.

  • July 23, 2003, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I really liked this movie. Harry, you're slowly and gradually be

    by Uncle Sam

    Best film this summer after X2 and Hulk. Absolutely nothing wrong with the Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde transformation. Flashes of light, puffs of smoke, twisted flesh, all of it more dramatic and intense than the underwhelming CGI transformation of Bruce Banner into the Hulk. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the teamwork. That scene outside the fortress/factory on the Mongolian frozen lake, where the Invisible Man, Mina Harker and Mr. Hyde take care of the guards together, wow, never seen THAT in an X-Men film. LXG is the closest thing we'll ever get to a JLA or Avengers flick. Is it a little too fast-paced and confusing at times? Yes. Does it require a little too much foreknowledge from the audience member (I seriously doubt that the average American knows ANYTHING pertaining to 19th century literature)? Also yes. But its great, its beautiful, and I want to see a Director's Cut DVD and a worthy sequel (I want to see MARTIANS!). Harry, you gave that disgraceful piece of shit T3 "thumbs up", and you DARE put down the League? Sheesh.

  • July 23, 2003, 3:22 p.m. CST

    the reason there are bad comic book movies...

    by Max Meanie

    ...is the same reason why there are bad movies at all - they're poorly written. LXG is a bad film because the story is flimsy, full of plot holes and has the same "Raiders" mentality that keeps the action moving because if the audience has time to catch their breath they will realize the story makes no sense. And while some here have argued that "comic books adaptations don't work" that is simply an ignorant attitude showing a prejudice against comics in the first place. If a story is well written then it doesn't matter what the source material is. LXG, the comic, was interesting because it's characters were fully shaped and had personalities. The film's counterparts were dull and partcipating in a plot that made no sense. Briefly 1) If the villians main motivation were money as he claimed at the end, he could have simply sold his technology of tanks and automatic weapons to the highest bidder. This weaponry diminished the appeal of these so-called "extraordinary" characters. Because these guns were introduced, we have the same cliche "Stormtrooper" disease of ineffectual gunman hitting everything but whoever was standing right in front of them. 2) how did Hyde know how to save the Nautilus from sinking? If it wasn't for the heroic music after the sequence we'd never know what the hell he did because no one explained it. There is no emotional impact of his action. 3) the bad drippings: Dorian's clothes healing from gun holes, chairs dissappearing from the Nautilus deck seconds before submerging, the gigantic Nautilus cruising in shallow canals, the invisible naked man in arctic temperatures not even shivering. Bad continuity mistakes over and over again. LXG is an interesting concept forced to accept the template of a brainless summer movie but with none of the wit of the original source material. This really could have been something.

  • July 25, 2003, 3:27 a.m. CST

    League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: OURTINYWORLD.com REVIEW

    by kikomartinez

    The Good: Its attempt to be sleek and daring is satisfactory. You can never go wrong when you cast Sean Connery as the masculine leader or heroine. The Bad: Each literary character tries to bring its own style and balance well as a team. However, calling Tom Sawyer an

  • July 26, 2003, 11:57 p.m. CST

    The Ending?

    by Sweety_Pie

    It's good,it's just really,really long.But then again there are no parts that the director could have cut out with people still understanding the movie.t Anyways the ending confused the hell outta' me.Could some one please explain that.

  • July 28, 2003, 11:40 a.m. CST

    The movie was more comic book-silly than the comic book!

    by Drath

    I didn't shit my pants over the comic book, I nodded in agreement when I read filmmakers and such saying that changes were needed to bring it to the big screen. But hardly any of the changes were improvements! I liked Connery, and his more heroic take on Quartermain. I think the movie needed that, as we're just not ready for the "Unforgiven" of Heroes and Villains movies like this. I had more sympathy for Connery in this form than I would have had as a loser. I *really* liked what little I saw of Skinner and Hyde, they were interesting regardless of the changes. But the Nautilus was rediculous. It was the size of the Titanic and yet it it hides under the docks and drifts through the canals of Venice?!!?! That was too stupid! And I didn't follow how causing yet another explosion was supposed to stop the chain reaction of toppling buildings, but I didn't have time to care with that crazy video-game like chase scene (how nice and silly to have Quartermain jump off a speeding car and land perfectly on his feet with no trouble at all). I didn't like Sawyer or Gray's introductions into the movie, both felt awkward and took time away from the more interesting characters. Neither actor had any presence either--which I'm sorry to say as I'd heard about both of them before and was curious to see if they had any charisma to offer. Sadly, I found them both bland. And the plot that required their presence wasn't worth the trouble, they should have been left out. Most sad of all, I thought the filmmakers ruined Moriarty by burying his identity in there, by making him as easy to beat as Harry point out, and by making him so young. That was a role for Anthony Hopkins dammit!! A better production could have landed him too. But Harry's right, the Phantom looked godawful and was a simply shitfaced idea for a bad guy. I liked that the League itself interacted a bit more, but it felt as incomplete as it felt in the comic. Why leave out some of the better moments? For example, No Mina and Allan, no Hyde and Mina, not enough Allan and Nemo. Hyde was great, I wanted more of him and Skinner in the screen time wasted on Sawyer and Gray. Why continue letting Sawyer fire blindly in the hopes of hitting something after Quartermain already joked about how dumb it was TWICE? And Mina was just badly realized in my opinion. She was dressed for the Matrix most of the time, and making her an all out vampire (and hitting us over the head with the Dracula backstory) was cheesy. She wasn't extraordinary enough before? Well what the hell recommended a nobody like Tom Sawyer then? No way in hell should he take over for Connery in the inevitable sequel. Speaking of which, the ending was ruined by that half assed cliffhanger. Choosing to end with that instead of going for some closure with the other characters (like how did Skinner recover from such grotesque burns?) showed just how shallow the movie was. It could have been cool, but instead it was a phoned in generic actioner.

  • July 29, 2003, 2:13 p.m. CST

    League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen

    by MachinaMan

    The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, in and of itself, was not a bad film, but compared to the graphic novel, it's been made to appeal to the largest possible audience, and that's it's greatest weakness. For example, when the villain was revealed as Dr. Moriarty, my response was: "Huh?" This was because, as far as I am aware, there was no mention of him whatsoever before that scene, diluting the impact of what should have been a defining scene in the film (I get the feeling that an earlier reference to him may have ended up on the cutting room floor). The design of the Nautilus in the film was attractive, but to see the squid-like version would have been great, and provided a connection to Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea, which would have made it make sense. But I get the feeling that the people behind the film didn't quite give viewers enough credit to catch such a detail, but it is one I appreciate more than a poster with Alan Moore's name on it. And while it didn't bother me (as much) that Mina Harker was not nearly as subtle and dominant as she was in the comic, I wonder why it was, as a vampire, the makers of the film decided that she should pretty much break every convention (casting no reflection, crossing running water, etc.). The effect with the bats was a little odd, but looked really cool, which was what I think that makers of the film was seeking. So, I guess what I am trying to say is that the LXG was a decent film, but if the film makers had more faith in their potential audience, it could have been a great film. By the way, relatively small details, like the Invisible Man's constantly changing make-up, facial stubble,his tolerance to extreme cold, and the ability of the massive Nautilus to navigate the canals of Venice were details that could have stood a rewrite or two, but not enough to sink the film.

  • Aug. 4, 2003, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Nemo's beard and the resurrection

    by hogieBENpeirogie

    Where did they get Nemo's beard, at Spencer's? I've seen better at my doorstep on Halloween. And the ending was just stupid - why did the Shaman bury Quartermain if he was going to bring him back to life? As a joke? "Ha Ha, me bury you so you can freak out and have to dig out of grave!" nice. The first hour rocked, but it got too predictable after that - and Harry, I disagree with your criticisms of Mr. Hyde's effects - if the Hulk would have looked this realistic, it would still be making serious dough.

  • Aug. 6, 2003, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Outstanding

    by gboybama

    Great movie. Right up there with X2 and T3. A good companion piece with Pirates of the Caribbean. (and just as much fun)

  • Aug. 12, 2003, 5:41 p.m. CST

    A good idea gone formulaic.

    by Durendal

    LXG was based on a good idea, but then the screenwriter/hack put it through the formul-o-matic script machine to churn it out. It sticks to the action genre formula like turdstains stick to the toilet after a long night of drinking. There's the variety of characters that come together, the inevitable mistrust, the inevitable betrayals, the inevitable setbacks, and the inevitable conclusion. I'm no expert on the books from which the characters are taken, but even I can spot the glaring distortions of the novels. I don't know how much of it was the comic and how much of it was the film, but in either case, they were butchered. Mr. Hyde was not some drop-out for the part of The Hulk. Mr. Hyde was simply Dr. Jekylls evil side, like an alternate personality. Not to mention that he had to drink the formula to keep from turning into Mr. Hyde, not the other way around. Like Harry mentioned, Tom Sawyer would have been pretty dang old, and Moriarty wasn't the type to do the dirty work. Captain Nemo's nationality was unknown in the novels, and the Nautilus was WAY too huge and WAY too gaudy. The formula that causes invisibility also causes insanity, which was not seen in the part of Skinner. Dorian Gray did not die when he saw his portrait. He saw it all the time! He died when he destroyed the painting out of rage. I don't think it made him invincible, either. It just made him perpetually young. And if Mina is a vampire, why can she walk around in broad daylight? Character distortions aside, you have the sheer impossibility of so many things. The Nautilus rises up from a tiny pier. That must have been one DEEP pier. I also can't see how it's possible that the Nautilus could navigate the waterways of venice. Tom Sawyer had never seen a car, but he could drive one like a Formula 1 racer. Captain Nemo was ahead of his time, but come on, launching rockets from underwater? Gimme a break. And where did that other invisible guy come from? If Moriarty had another invisible man working for him, then why did he need skin samples from Skinner? And why didn't it occur to Dorian to close his freakin' eyes when Mina showed him the painting? And after the Nautilus gets huge holes blown in it, they are able to fix it in a day or two? Riiiiight. Sean Connery is an awesome actor, but he's too old for these action roles! Seeing him running around, beating people up while diving behind objects is laughable. He should be beating people with his walker and oxygen tank. Even the German in the beginning was horrible! The translations were shoddy at best. LXG was yet another good idea destroyed by the Hollywood moviemaking machine. It's yet another example that most of the industry doesn't give two farts in a windstorm about making good movies; they just want our eight bucks.

  • Aug. 15, 2003, 6:05 p.m. CST

    comics to movies

    by elviskilledjfk

    i saw the movie the weekend it premiered and only read the comic this past week, and I have to say that the movie was terrible in comparison. I walked out of the movie already thinking it was mediocre at best, but after reading the comic I have to wonder why they even made this movie. If they had stayed true to Alan Moore's original vision, then this movie would have been incredible even if people in the audience didn't understand the literary backgrounds for each character, but the way it was made was laughable. I actually sat in the theater watching the movie, listening to the people around me asking "who's that? i don't get it." etc... As someone who has a BA in English (and that doesn't necessarily mean anything, because if you're an avid reader, you go into this movie with similar knowledge), I thought it was funny that so many people were clueless as to who the characters were. Especially when it turns out that "M" is none other than Professor Moriarty (played weakly by the actor they hired, but the problem was more in the script than the acting) of Sherlock Holmes fame, people were even more baffled as to what the significance was. The comic was much more subtle, and helped people who didn't understand his significance actually understand his significance with a brief flashback to show his final duel with Sherlock Holmes, the movie could have used this. Plus the movie ignored the awe inspired by Holmes in all of the characters. I say blah to this movie!

  • Aug. 18, 2003, 4 p.m. CST

    It was bound to happen...

    by MunkySpunk

    A poor 'comic book' movie? Well, it's bound to happen at some point. The Comic Book train was going to derail sooner or later. After the Hulk and Spiderman, not to mention the X Men movies and the underated Daredevil flick, some dude had to come along and mess it all up. Enter Sean Connery and friends. I have'nt seen this movie, but I suspect that it could be a pile of 'Batman and Robin' shit. Why is it that Tim Burton put all of his effort into making 2 spectacular and fantastic Batman films, only for some dick like Joel Schumacher to come along and spit on Mr.Burtons hard work. And noe it's happening all over again. Spiderman (awesome), Hulk (brave, but captured the essence of the comic book), X Men (the fanboys were overjoyed) and Daredevil (dude, it had Kevin Smith in it!) all lay to waste because of some ill thought out, rush job that does not stay true to the comic book and make's a complete farce out of and original and creative story. When will these people learn? I hope I prove myself embarrasingly wrong...but I guess I'll just have to see these things without passing judgement first. But when all else fails and the dust has settled, thank f*ck for Spiderman 2. Roll on next summer.

  • Aug. 25, 2003, 6:07 a.m. CST

    I may be stupid but.....

    by StevieDVD

    ....wasn't the transformation of Dr Jeykll/Mr Hyde supposed to be a blend of new special effects and make-up set in stages as an homage to the wonderful moments from the old Universal movies of the 50s ? i thought it was a nice way of making it modern but retaining a nod to all those movies we stayed up as kids to scare ourselves silly at. Maybe it's just me but i liked it.

  • Sept. 1, 2003, 3:26 a.m. CST

    LAST !!!

    by hogieBENpeirogie

    Ha to all you loser dweebs who sit at their PC's dying to post first - well I'm LAST and proud of it. GET A LIFE !

  • Sept. 2, 2003, 2:57 a.m. CST

    by Jasper27

    Just seen the film and the first thing to strick me was a vampire in the sun, perhaps it was direct and therefore no disintergration, surely someone out there knows, was it like that in the books?

  • Sept. 4, 2003, 4:48 p.m. CST

    American Werewolf Transformation

    by cookylamoo

    Although I agree that CGI transformations can't yet hold a candle to appliance transformations, I still think the American Werewolf was merely a copycat of the transformation in the Howling. After all, Howling did the important thing. They got their movie out first. The analogy to "The Phantom" was right on Target. "The Shadow" however was just crap. Alex Baldwin should have been arrested for movie murder.

  • Sept. 5, 2003, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Don Murphy

    by tweedie

    Loser

  • Sept. 7, 2003, 3:59 a.m. CST

    LXG a bad joke of a film.

    by sodthis

    Judge Dredd was better back in 97' LXG is a humungous pile of crap a waste of time, talent, money. awful awful film. script/story/sfx/acting/music all bad bad bad.....

  • Dec. 6, 2003, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Another thing that made this movie SUFFER....

    by xplororor

    ... was the fact it came out at the same time as the HULK. I saw the HULK first then watched this movie. The entire story of Jekle/Hyde was a mirror of the HULK. Now, in real life, J&H came decades before Stan Lee and the HULK. (And likely influenced Lee to create the HULK). But in moviedome, HULK rules. HULK comes first. HULK was marketed with the might of ... a lot more that what LoEG was marketed with. Sooo.... LoEG's scenes with Dr. Jekle n Mr Hyde seem like a copy of the HULK. 1. IS this movie worth spending 2 hrs to watch? YES. Is it worth spending the $$$$ to see? (I movie hopped, so to me YES. But to buy a single ticket JUST to see this movie.. hmmm....)

  • Dec. 6, 2003, 9:47 p.m. CST

    How this movie SHOULD have ended....

    by xplororor

    It SHOULD have ended with the American hero MISSING the badguy, when he fired long range at him. Or even with him hitting the badguy, thinking he succeeded.. then.... 1. The Hero gets up and turns around and goes back to the rest of the action. While the badguy is shown moving, then getting up and escaping - unknown to the hero who thinks he succeeded in stopping the badguy. 2. The Hero hits the badguy at longrange. Thinks he got him. Then watches in horror as the badguy gets back up and... ESCAPES. And there's NOTHING the hero can do about it!