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HARRY HERE - Moriarty may have been intrigued, but it is a FAKE! Not Real. So basically it's as real as Iraqi WMD, but neverthless those have fooled some folks too.

Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

I know a lot of you have sent us either the link to where the Doc Ock tentacles picture was, or the picture itself, but we can’t really run it after we know everyone else has been slapped with cease & desists to get it offline. Rumor is, they’re going to be premiering Doc Ock at next week’s ComicCon in San Diego, and many of us from AICN will be there. If they do, trust me... we’ll let you know immediately.

In the meantime, though, I was intrigued by this image link that was sent to me by someone who was very excited about HARRY POTTER & THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN:

Ohh Scary! I Stumbled across this - Thought it might be of interest if you haven't seen it already. Ta for the news n scoops! Jan Clinth King of the Britons

What they sent me a link to is alleged to be our first look at the Dementors in the film. This is a tricky piece of design work... they can’t look too much like Ringwraiths or like conventional representations of Death. If this is indeed what Cuaron is using, then it’s interesting, and I’ll be curious to see what the most rabid POTTER fans think of it:


Thanks for the heads-up!

"Moriarty" out.

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  • July 10, 2003, 5:58 a.m. CST


    by Bunda

    Always wanted to do that =)

  • July 10, 2003, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Looks Photoshoped

    by Xammas

    Look at the lighting around the face and hands, seems to be a fake. Plus the robes look alot like Ringwraiths from fellowship.

  • July 10, 2003, 6:44 a.m. CST

    It's OK

    by Ribbons

    I had always imagined their robes being more purple and their faces having a more slimy and amphibious quality. I seem to also remember the book saying they had gray skin, not fleshtones. All the same, this must have been a tricky one for the designers to pull off and if this is what they came up with, I'm sure it'll play out well onscreen. And yeah, those have to be the dementors. The only question is whether or not that's a real photo.

  • July 10, 2003, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Does look photoshopped

    by Ribbons

    Who knows? But Xammas is right: the robes do eerily resemple those from FotR, and the lighting around the face and hands seems out of focus

  • July 10, 2003, 6:57 a.m. CST


    by Fuktz

    I've always imagined the Dementors to be wearing purple/maroon clothes, and being unable too see their faces. Their faces would only become visible when they are to perform the Dementor's Kiss.

  • July 10, 2003, 6:59 a.m. CST


    by Grey19

    that is exactly how I'd always imagined the dementors to look. It may be photoshopped but it looks just right.

  • July 10, 2003, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Voice of Dissent

    by SquizL

    I think these things, if they are the dementors, look awful at the moment. The robes are from the ringwraiths, but that's nothing new since HP has used the Troll from the fellowship and numerous other plot devices from LOTR. You shouldn't be able too see their face, but I accept if this is genuine, it may be design work not a capture from the film. Provided they're shot right and are properly shit-scary like they should be and not namby-pamby sub-"death" type things, then I'll be contented.

  • July 10, 2003, 7:14 a.m. CST

    But they DO look like Ringwraiths

    by trouserpress

    And what's with all this Cease and Desist stuff? I thought AICN was supposed to be out there on the edge. Now it seems as though any film company can whine and threaten not to send Harry any more free food and stuff and they pull anything remotely interesting or exclusive off the site, leaving us with Harry's reviews of twenty year old movies no one cares about that he just happens to have a copy of on DVD. This site should rename itself It Used To Be Cool News.

  • July 10, 2003, 7:17 a.m. CST

    If they're trying to avoid making these creatures look too much

    by Red Raider

    I'm surprised someone hasn't already posted a website that points out how much J.K. Rowling stole from Lord of the Rings! But in all fairness, George Lucas also stole from LOTR as well! Perhaps Lucas & Rowling should team up & make a movie. Willow 2: Electric Buga--oh forget it.....

  • July 10, 2003, 7:21 a.m. CST

    There's no question they're P'Shopped...CHECK THIS DEMENTOR OUT!

    by Splinter

    ...there's at least 20 giveaways - aliased edges, bad feathering around the faces - its not a bad job, its just obvious. Hmmmm not sure though. For some reason I always imagined Dementors with brown cloaks. God that sounded anal. ANyway, thought I'd share this with you guys - I have no idea who this artist is, but this is his interpretation of a dementor - ****************..... ************ Check it out guys - I think its pretty cool.

  • July 10, 2003, 7:26 a.m. CST

    They look EXACTLY like the ringwraiths when they can be seen

    by croco

    isn't that obvious???

  • July 10, 2003, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Nice one Splinter

    by afa

    the pic in the link does look kinda cool, especially cuz the guy accurately got the eyes right. in the book they say that dementors have no eyes, but the pic on AICN looks like it does have eyes. one thing though... the one on splinter's link looks a bit like gollum doesnt it? im not saying the guy copied, but it does look like he was a little inspired by two towers doesnt it?

  • July 10, 2003, 7:39 a.m. CST


    by Fawst

    Yah, those are fake. Great fakes, though...

  • July 10, 2003, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Oh, no! Something looks like something else?!

    by DrRotwang!

    That's it! Creativity is dead, and the end of the world is prolly nigh. Or maybe Lucas and Rowling "stole" from Tolkien the way Tolkien "stole" from commonmyth and myth "stole" from huma exerience and belief...? Naaaah. Can't be. Sorry I brought it up.

  • July 10, 2003, 8:16 a.m. CST


    by DirkD13"

    looks more like ringpiece to me

  • July 10, 2003, 8:19 a.m. CST

    I like it...

    by FNORDknt

    It's simple...

  • July 10, 2003, 8:19 a.m. CST

    by DirkD13"

    I must be the only person in the civilised world to have not read a Harry Potter book, well if I wasn't disslecksick.....

  • July 10, 2003, 8:29 a.m. CST

    This is a photo of Ringwraiths from LOTR....

    by Brian 2000

    This has nothing to do with the production company. But yes, the dementors will look basically like Ringwraiths, with freaky corpse like skulls and I pictured silvery grey cloaks.

  • July 10, 2003, 8:31 a.m. CST


    by Darth Sticky

    How much did they pay to rent the Ringwraith costumes from Peter Jackson? I thought dementors were supposed to be faceless! I'm sure CGI will be applied to make them all wispy and slinky. These costumes may just be used as reference as they CGI the fuck out of them.

  • July 10, 2003, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Hard to believe either of these could be nearly enough close to

    by JasonDkEldar

    From the first two movies, we have found that when she goes to the trouble to describe someone, something, or some event, then the movies faithfully follow that suggestion(er, mandate.dictate) from Rowling and honor the layers of loopholes she cinched closed with her lawyers from SScholastic. I for one am glad she did this, as one cannot really rely on Hollywood to follow any book closely when they are not contractually bound to do so. PJ and friends stayed as close as they did to Tolkien because they respected the fact that more people read his work than could possibly buy tickets to their movie, counting library readings of course. What I found truly ironic is the backlash against the movie from Kubrick fans, who seem to take it to heart that King thinks The Jack Nicholson version of his work was tripe. I thought it played much like his other films--nice headtrip movies best seen on acid, a substance I unfortunately don;t indulge in(EVER) and thus could not enjoy. For decades now they had to listen to King's fans, as well as other fans of books butchered by Hollywood, howl in protest when one of their pet directors slashed through a book to support his "vision". Well, fellas, when you can write a book that draws the same pleasure from its readers as one of the authors' you revise do, then feel free to enjoy a mandate from the people. PJ learned that what works best with a book is to find the elements that its readers enjoyed and focus on them, and save your editorial voice for shots, nuances of character, and pacing. Back to Potter and friends and their erstwhile guardian, did one think that her description of the dementors from the books didn't suffice to draw a pretty vivid view of these things, one that brought to my mind a belnd of Hile Troy from the two covenant trilogies and Mumm-Ra from Thundercats/ Their skin should be Leprous dangit, and their sockets should be blank, smooth and hollowed. I saw their robes as the same sort of leprous gray, just darkened by age, grimy environs, and the effects of great wrong visited on semi-natural things. Think Blasted lands from the SK and PS book, The Talisman, where a smalle by our standards nuke becomes cataclysmically greater due to dimensional shifting of time, space, and energy, resulting in an aboveground test program in the western deserts of our world leading to the utter devastation of a smaller, more compact, more rural version of the same general lay of the land. Picture their clothers blasted from their bodies as so many sheets in the wind but clinging and flowing to their scabrous scale-ridden skin and bones physique. Picture the ckin seeeming to be melted and flaked like a used candle's waxy leftovers, half-scraped from your college-era coffeetable. Picture a mouth that hinges like a shark's jaws sliding forward and opening to draw forth the hapless souls of its prey. Picture something MUCH scarier than either of these things, something which really holds that menace in its alien features, without the benefit of eyes to cold-stare bust your emotions wide open. Picture something staring at you with its inner eyes, its regard so total and chilling that you wish for the comforts of the Wich-King of Angmar and his eight buds rousing you ginsu-style from your hobbit-rooms in Bree. These things should convery such despair and hopelessness as to convince you that (I hope this turns out to be Sirius come film time) the implacable Gary Oldman into a haunted fella. Even at his most affected by his movie's role character in Romeo is Bleeding, he possessed a certain fatalistic charm in the face of Death. Now imagine smoething so shivery-causing as to make that actor honestly react like the old Singled Out host meeting Dr Satan himself in HO1kC.

  • I admit, I wasn't expecting to see the faces at all. The trouble isn't just avoiding the look of the Ringwraiths in the LotR movie or an army of Ghosts of Christmas Future, but in letting the Dementors have a presence and a look that's different from what we've already seen in the Potter movies. Simply a hood and cloak, unfortunatly, has been done already. Granted, the Dementors should feel like they belong with Voldemort's lot(because, well, they DO), but visually the filmmakers have to find a balance. And what these pictures show ain't it, real or fakes. And although the Dementors WILL be compared to the faceless Ringwraiths no matter what, the faces should only be visible a few times (mainly when they give the Dementor's Kiss).

  • July 10, 2003, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Sooooooo fake....

    by JTylor

    But a very skillful fake, nonetheless, as the bodies are cobbled together from widely different shots of the Ringwraiths in Fellowship: if you look closely, you can see the seams where folds from the hood don't flow well into the body of the cloak. Oh, and the hands pretty much suck, and the background has the same tone as the Weathertop sequence... Getting you to look at it long enough to take it seriously and then realize "that's not right..."

  • July 10, 2003, 9:56 a.m. CST

    It has to be photoshopped

    by pkn

    This image has been at that website for a few months now, and I'm pretty sure it's a work of fanart. Several people have also done mock teaser posters - the most notable of which showed what was supposed to be the front page of a newspaper with a headline reading "Notorious Prisoner Sirius Black Still at Large" and a b&w picture that was obviously a still from "JFK" with Oldman as Oswald.

  • July 10, 2003, 10:02 a.m. CST

    If those ARE the Dementors, then they look perfect.

    by Vegas

    I didn't expect them to release pictures showing their faces though, thought that would be a big reveal at the end when we see the Dementor's Kiss. Still, I'm all about this design, and no it's not a rip of the Ringwraiths, it's Cuaron/Rowling's take on the conventional look of Death (which arguably is what Tolkien/Jackson borrowed from in the Ringwraith design), so I don't wanna hear any griping from the Hobbit lovers.

  • July 10, 2003, 10:07 a.m. CST

    At the risk of repeating what everyone else has said...

    by sambrook

    The "Dementor" on the right is DEFINITELY a Ringwraith with dumb hands shoved on it. It's from the Weathertop scene and I've seen that picture so many times now that I can say for certainty that this is a fake. The other one's a cut-and-paste job too (anyone else hear George Lucas's ears prick up when I said cut-and-paste?). And if the film makers are worried that people are going to compare their finished Denmentors with the Ringwraiths, then it serves them right for adapting a book filled with LOTR rip-offs, especially the Dementors (plus the troll, the giant spider - called ARAGOG!, a backstabbing servant called WORMTAIL, small unwilling hero having to steal from a giant dragon, and the rest). From Goblet of Fire onwards though she seems to have laid off LOTR and found her own style. Maybe because when she wrote the first three books no-one took any real notice of LOTR and the the only people who would have picked up on the literary thefts would be the nerds who paint those little models. Then the film trilogy was announced, LOTR comes back into the public eye in a way she never imagined and she loses her muse. Thus she now makes up for it by replacing the real fantasy elements of the last two books with overlong character-based sub-plots which don't go anywhere. Quality, not quantity. (Having said that, I did enjoy the last two books, but they were lacking the magic of the first two. And the death in the 5th one was crap. The person falls through a curtain?! WTF?!?!)

  • July 10, 2003, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Sorry, I didn't mean it to get that long...

    by sambrook

    said the vicar to the choir boy.

  • July 10, 2003, 10:32 a.m. CST

    All BRITS take note - TERMINATOR 3 is a fucking 12A certificate!

    by sambrook

    Sorry to everyone else for posting such an off-topic message, but if you're a British film fan reading this, you'll understand how bad this news is. Don't believe me, check out Terminator 12A: Rise Of The Kiddie-flick. The British film sky has fallen.

  • July 10, 2003, 10:46 a.m. CST

    100% Photoshopped...Shame on you suckers for swallowing this shi

    by PaddyIrishman

    How do I know? Check out the left hand of the guy in the foreground. You'll notice that around the edges of the hand is partially transparent. This is usually from cutting out with slight feathered edges. Also the lighting on the face is way off. Man... I sound like such a geek!! Take it from me, these images are bullshit.

  • July 10, 2003, 10:56 a.m. CST


    by TheSecondEvil

    I'm going to be very honest here. It's shite, it probably is photoshopped and I hope it is cause they look nothing like Rowling's description anyway. Mind you the films aren't that good anyway, decent but nowhere near as good as the actual books.

  • July 10, 2003, 11:02 a.m. CST

    I didn't think you could see a dementor's face under the hood.

    by Nice Marmot

  • July 10, 2003, 11:39 a.m. CST

    They look like victims from a burn ward, not dementors

    by 007-11

    They're not supposed to have faces, just a hole where a mouth should be, and their skin is supposed to be dark and scabby.

  • July 10, 2003, 11:40 a.m. CST

    They look like victims from a burn ward, not dementors

    by 007-11

    They're not supposed to have faces, just a hole where a mouth should be, and their skin is supposed to be dark and scabby.

  • July 10, 2003, 12:05 p.m. CST

    What I want to know is...

    by Spikes Brain

    Why are they throwing out gang symbols? Are they Crips? Part of Snoop's posse? Fo' shizzle my nizzle used to dribble down in VA? Oh, and King didn't hate Kubrick's version of the Shining. He just thought it wasn't faithful, and that Nicholson was playing himself, more than the character. Of course, then he makes a "faithful" TV version, and tacks on a happy ending! The only 100% faithful movie adaptation of a book would be someone sitting there, on screen, reading the book.

  • July 10, 2003, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Shut up with your ringwraith bullshit

    by 007-11

    If you guys are going after Rowling then you should also go after Peter Jackson so as to not look like hypocrites. Because he is TOTALLY ripping off Dickens, he's got about nine ghosts of Christmas future running around his movie and 0 checks being sent to his estate. For shame. Oh but you know who is really stealing from Jackson and Tolkien? That's right, the Brothers of the order of St. Dominicus, bunch of unorignal assholes. Yeah, thought people wouldn't notice those flowing robes and HOODS pulled over your heads, WRONG AGAIN CHANTY!!!

  • July 10, 2003, 12:17 p.m. CST


    by Movietool

    These are fakes - some fan having fun, I'd suspect. Nothing to get in a twist over. And as far as the Rowling / Tolkien debate goes - I'd agree she uses some imagery from Tolkien, but the thematic content of Harry Potter is nowhere near an appropriation of Tolkien's writing. Rowling is dealing with coming-of-age issues and seems to be writing towards a major theme of destiny vs. desire - ie. can we fight our fate. Tolkien seemed more concerned with themes of loyalty between comrades-in-arms. Perhaps Rowling will take a turn down that path with the whole Harry/Hermione/Ron triangle, but the last two books have really started to seperate Harry from that group - he's becoming more withdrawn and internal, which is almost 180 dgrees from Tolkien, who almost always has his protagonists relying on others to get them through their trials.

  • July 10, 2003, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Uummm, relax already.

    by Jaka

    It's a moive - it's NOT the book. The book is about YOUR imagination - the movie is about how SOMEONE ELSE interprits the book. The point is that unless you make the movie - everything isn't going to look how you imagined it. Mr. Jackson has done an incredible job with the LOTR movies - but they are NOT exactly like the books. Lastly - I remember the OUTRAGE when photos of the Ring Wraiths were first posted on AICN. People were FLIPPING OUT! But when you saw the film, it was all good (even if it wasn't how you imagined). The fact that we are even getting a third Harry Potter movie is enough to make me hold any judgement back until I can sit in the theater and watch the whole thing.

  • July 10, 2003, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Harry or The Mummy?

    by ifoundnemo

    Is that picture of dementors or just Arnold Vosloo reincarnated AGAIN in "The Mummy 17" (or whatever installment they're working on now)?

  • July 10, 2003, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Rip Off

    by D Mac

    Man Harry Potter is such a rip off of LOTR. The similarities are overwhelming and a there are far too many. Now the Dementors look exactly like the Ringwraiths, what a joke.

  • July 10, 2003, 1:01 p.m. CST


    by Kangaroo Jack


  • July 10, 2003, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Dementors rock. This fake undead dino anthropoid does not.

    by GypsyTRobot

    Dementors are some scary shit. They don't look like some rumor-dispensing freak in a bar in a D&D Dinotopia campaign. Roll 2 on a 10-sided die, Crapazaria says "the keep to the west is infested with goblins and pterodactyls." + Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban is the best book of the series and with Columbus out of the picture, I'm hoping they do this one right - dark 'n' scary, just the way we like it. plus there's a werewolf for the red-headed Harry.

  • July 10, 2003, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Oh, I get it, EVERYTHING rips off Lord of the Rings!

    by Vegas

    Because Tolkien invented EVERYTHING! He invented black robes, and people who walk around in them! He did this without the Ghost of Christmas to Come ever existing! Or the Grim Reaper! And he invented SPIDERS! Nope, spiders never existed in art before Tolkien, especially BIG spiders! Like in the famous lost scenes of KING KONG, with the GIANT FUCKING SPIDERS! you know, they took those out because they couldn't have them in there until Tolkien came along and INVENTED THEM! And swords! Tolkien invented swords, and the idea of NAMING swords! Not that any swords were named in Beowulf! And swords that light up? Like on fire? Lucas TOTALLY stole that from Tolkien, because no sword ever had those properties in literature before TOLKIEN! Not that sword in the Bible, in the freaking FIRST BOOK OF THE BIBLE, in GENESIS, the one ON FIRE, that guards the Garden of Eden! They just put that in NEW versions of the Bible to rip off TOLKIEN! They're using Tolkien's popularity to try to sell more copies of the BIBLE, because they don't seem to be able to sell copies of it without ripping off TOLKIEN! And RINGS! Tolkien invented JEWELRY! I had to buy an engagement ring for my wife, but to do so I had to pay the Tolkien estate, and I hear that next they're working on changing that copyright to sole ownership of THE CIRCLE! Fucking hobbit fans, it's shit like them that are the reason I can't fucking STAND Lord of the Rings half the time. Obnoxious fucking whineybaby losers, no wonder everyone thinks they're nerds.

  • July 10, 2003, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Something about this looks familiar...

    by PrincessIggy

    Check out this picture... Looks like they modified the bottom half of the face but its a total rip off of the hands.

  • July 10, 2003, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Yeah, that's pretty much a photoshopped image of the Ringwraiths

    by brokentusk

    Um... Give me a break.

  • July 10, 2003, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Is that the best they could come up with?

    by Smurfette

    They're supposed to be the physical manifestation of manic depression, not crayons on the radiator.

  • July 10, 2003, 2:31 p.m. CST

    This is a fake - proof at

    by IP_freely

    Check it out - this is such a ripoff!

  • July 10, 2003, 3:17 p.m. CST


    by Silver_Joo

    No offence guys, but you talk of them looking like ringwraiths, most of this is probably intentional on Rowling's part. Her works are steeped in LOTR and the Discworld's creativity, and she has not an original bone in her body. Most of the design in LOTR is absolute perfection in terms of realising Tolkein's description, and the ringwraiths are no exception. I would not see this as the design team ripping WETA off, more like them having pretty normal sources to work from in a literary sense.

  • July 10, 2003, 3:31 p.m. CST

    They ARE photoshopped!

    by Bigkerb666

    On the they compare the dementors to a photo of a ringwraith which surprise, surprise!... IS THE SAME PHOTO! they just took the sword away and gave him a creepy hand! So there you have it...

  • July 10, 2003, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Whoa, whoa, whoa, Sambrook

    by Ribbons

    Small reluctant little hero that has to steal something from a dragon? Are you fucking kidding me?! There's no doubt that she stole a lot of elements from LotR (the afforementioned NOT one of them), but I don't think she's any sort of plagiarist. I just think that, as an afficionado of literature and the fantasy genre, she absorbed a lot of these conventions by osmosis. All of them seem like they service her story without feeling tacked on, so if she did rip from LotR (or the countless other fantasies that ripped on LotR), it's just an extension of those elements added to her OWN story. Is that such a crime? She even credits Tolkien for her inspiration, even though she owes a lot more to Roald Dahl (even in Book 5, her black sense of humor prevails). And anyways, Dumbledore and the Whomping Willow are the biggest offenders, certainly NOT a troll. Do you have any idea how many trolls there have been throughout the history of movies and literature? Tolkien didn't invent the giant spider, the shrouded manifestation of death, or the walking forest. He didn't invent the archetype of wizened old bat with hidden powers (although he did put a new spin on it that has been synthesized into almost every other fantasy/sci-fi work since), he didn't invent trolls, and he (with certainty) didn't invent a plucky hero reluctantly facing a dragon. What I'm trying to say is this: while Rowling may owe a lot to Tolkien (and other sources), Tolkien owes a lot to English mythology and literature (and other sources). She's still telling her own story; just because it contains shades of LotR doesn't mean the work can't stand on its own, just as Tolkien's LotR has been allowed to because all you well-read renegades seem not to have familiarized yourself with his sources of inspiration. If it becomes more popular in a contemporary sense than the work that preceded it (hmmmm.....), that's not Rowling's problem. Sorry about the rant, Sambrook; it's nothing personal and it's not about what you said per se, but it just echoes other statements or attacks on Rowling that have been made previously, like "someone should start a website documenting how much Rowling stole from Tolkien." Even as a Tolkienite, you'd have to admit that that would make for one pretty sparse homepage. ><><><><><><><><><><>< P.S.: I don't necessarily imply that Rowling's work is better than Tolkien's, but merely that it should be allowed to stand on its own merits. It's one thing to recognize the (possible, in some cases) works that she culled parts of her story from, but it's another to lambast her for it. Oh, yeah, and Lucas owes more to 'Dune' than to LotR. That's all I'm sayin'.

  • July 10, 2003, 3:50 p.m. CST

    ok, so it's a fake but...

    by Kieran

    Yes, it's clear from the piece that this a fake but... Since when is a picture developed in photoshop *necessarily* a fake? Many conceptual artists use Photoshop to produce quick images. I know this isn't one of Rowling's demmitors, but just because an image was produced in photoshop does not mean it is not the real deal. Oh, and for the record, long before Tolkien wrote of his black riders, the image of the black hooded grim reaper was central to European art and culture.

  • July 10, 2003, 4:03 p.m. CST

    cough "rip-off" cough

    by GypsyTRobot

    Tolkien's Numenor (the island where Aragorn's ancestors hail from) is a rip-off of Atlantis. Some of the dwarves' names in the Hobbit are taken directly from Norse mythology. And the business with Smaug was a little bit Beowulfy, dontcha think? Not saying JKR is the most original author out there, just saying JRRT himself did a fair amount of borrowing .

  • I really dug the ending, in fact, that shot kind of looks like it could come from the climax of the flick. Speaking of which, that climax should be the best in any of the Harry Potter movies so far. (I haven

  • July 10, 2003, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Vegas wins the official ACIN Talkback rant of the week award.

    by Tall_Boy

    Attaboy, brotha. That was freakin gold.

  • July 10, 2003, 5:21 p.m. CST

    so did anyone read book 5 yet?

    by GypsyTRobot

    I can't be the only AICN TB'er who's read Order of the Phoenix yet. By necessity Snape has become my favorite character, and I really hope he gets to lodge his foot up Harry's heiny by the end of the series.

  • July 10, 2003, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Looks photographed

    by Vermicious Kid

    Maybe it's just me, but I'd swear that image was created using some sort of aluminum-nitrate emulsion or perhaps digital transfer medium to create a viewable approximation of a real-world object. Then again, maybe not.

  • July 10, 2003, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Not bad, but not cool if we're always seeing the face under the

    by SpacePhil

    Sigh. One thing I've really hated about the Potter film so far is that they have no sense of sublety. Something like the dementors, for instance -- we should never see the faces. Instead, they should go for the "Kaiser Soze" effect and just have these shadowy, hooded shapes.

  • July 10, 2003, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Ribbons - fair point, well made

    by sambrook

    Well done for writing some sort of point-counter-point debate with intelligent arguments to be made rather than the "fuck you, gay" "no, fuck you, gayer" debates we usually get on AICN.

  • July 10, 2003, 6:17 p.m. CST


    by T-MACK 1.01

    But I thought itwas a Lucasfilm copyright. Anyway, if those are Dementors, aren't their faces supposed to be hooded in shadow, because then when they unleash their kiss of death, they can really let it all hang out? I don't know. Witch Kings be damned.

  • July 10, 2003, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Hey LEave Harry potter alone, hes a cool dude,

    by Rcamacho2278


  • July 10, 2003, 6:39 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    I'm partial to Luna Lovegood myself, although Snape IS a better character.

  • July 10, 2003, 6:40 p.m. CST

    I finished Book 5, 3 days after I got it

    by 007-11

    Needless to say I found it very engrossing.

  • July 10, 2003, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Book 5 was good, but some things really bothered me...

    by GypsyTRobot

    like my favorite character enduring a lame removal from the narrative, and Harry P being a royal dick. especially, Harry blaming Snape for said removal. Maybe it's because Snape is played by Alan Rickman, but I feel really sorry for the guy. The potions master probably just needs a shampoo and a bit of nookie from Madame Pomfrey.

  • July 10, 2003, 9 p.m. CST

    Check The One-Ring

    by Kiwi-1

    They compare it with an image from LOTR - see - definitely a fake.

  • July 10, 2003, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Oh, you fangeeks should give it a rest with this "Potter ripped

    by Commando Cody

    Sheesh, ominous guys dressed in raggy, tattered black cloaks with a hood pulled up that covers the head, beneath which is either a skull or shriveled frightening looking face. Right. That belongs to LOTR and Peter Jackson because in the ENTIRE history of fantasy literature, artwork or films THAT'S a particular image or dress style for a villain that LOTR created...

  • July 10, 2003, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Those are photshopped Nazguls!!!

    by Roger-Work Man posted this earlier today. just to hammer the point home check it out -

  • July 10, 2003, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Look Mommy, a Ringwraith!

    by QueenAnna

    Ok, I could completely understand a little "borrowing" from LotR on the behalf of Rowling...everyone does it, it's not a big fat rarity. But the level of "borrowing" done in the HP books can only be known as "gee, I think I'll make some money off already used plot devices." These things have to be either Photoshopped, or blatant copies of the Ringwraiths from PJ's LotR adaptation. (I'm hoping for Photoshopped. I'd like to see SOME creativity come out of this totally useless franchise.) I'm sorry, I just have no love for HP. And all you HP-lovers, if you can post your love for it, I can post my dislike, so don't even THINK about bashin' me. Some of my best friends love HP, and we get along just fine. Oh, and by the way, I see someone above called us LotR fans nerds who paint little figures. I don't think so. Would you call Chris Lee, Da Mastah of all Cheesy Horror Films that? He reads the books every year. Just thought I'd point that out...

  • July 11, 2003, midnight CST

    Yeah, Rowling TOTALLY ripped off Tolkien's ringwraiths there

    by Delete Me

    I mean, they're big and they wear black hoods and they're evil. What a completely blatant ripoff of Tolkien's breakthrough, totally original character design! Rowling oughtta be fucking sued. While I'm at it, the estate of Gene Roddenberry oughtta sue James Cameron, as the Terminator is a blatant ripoff of Captain Kirk (both characters are men, are from the future, have two legs, and wear pants. Schwarzenegger even adopts Kirk's mechanical delivery for the role - could get any more obvious?!) Well, I'm glad we still have ORIGINAL works like LOTR around. You don't see Tolkien lifting his stuff willy-nilly from, say, a concatenation of Wagner, Norse myth, and Christian mythology. Here's to the few original auteurs whose works grace our silver screens!

  • July 11, 2003, 12:22 a.m. CST

    doc ock pix?

    by pavemental

    anyone got the pic of doctor octopus they can email me?

  • July 11, 2003, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Definitely fake! Check out this link!

    by pungaboy

  • July 11, 2003, 4:41 a.m. CST

    They all riped off Death

    by Denki

    Rowling AND Tolkien both copied the Grim Reaper. You may be a king or a little street sweeper but sooner or later you'll meet the Reaper He's the original one here.

  • July 11, 2003, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Potter ripped off LOTR that ripped off Star Wars that ripped off

    by Tall_Boy

    - this talkback that ripped off a much better post made above that ripped off someone ranting about LOTR that ripped off much better rants about organic webshooters that ripped off imitating Jason Lee

  • July 11, 2003, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Dementors filmed underwater

    by chimpinfinity

    I have it on pretty good authority (a friend of mine who's a runner on HPIII) that the Dementors are being filmed underwater. Whether this is for straight addition on to the frame or asd model for CGI work I don't know, but my conclusion is that while they may LOOK a whole lot like Ringwraiths, they sure won't MOVE like em.

  • July 11, 2003, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Not scary enough

    by flint1976

    After reading this book I always pictured these guys as being faceless, cloaked creatures that float around and show up when you least expect them to be there. The character in this picture looks like he's been injected with too much Botox. A good example of what these guys should look like is the Ghost Of Christmas Yet To Come in the George C Scott version of A Christmas Carol. After seeing this movie years ago that character is what I still remember today as being very scary because it had no human features. I think they should make these characters darker and scarier looking because they are the things that Harry fears the most in this book. That's just my humble opinion.

  • She can leglock me any time!

  • July 13, 2003, 12:50 a.m. CST

    so can anyone tell me what actor is playing Sirius Black?

    by JustAnotherGuy


  • July 13, 2003, 1:46 a.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Gary Oldman has been tapped to fill the shoes of Sirius Black.

  • July 13, 2003, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Dementors Image

    by Mad Eel

    how do we know if they are real or not - Muggles can't see Dementors!

  • July 13, 2003, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Look at the Background, they're Ringwraiths!

    by VanyarIngwe

    This is probably getting redundant by now but those are definitely fake Dementors. Not only is the P-Shop doctoring quite obvious but you can also see the set of Weathertop, from LOTR:FOTR, in the background! Additionally the so-called Dementors don't even fit the description from the books. Nice try whoever made the pics, but it's definitely a fake.

  • July 16, 2003, 11:38 p.m. CST

    A good model in my head to relate to the Dementors was...

    by ScumOfTheEarth

    Raziel from the video game series Soul Reaver. I mean look at the guy. Put a dark cloak on him, take out the eyes, and he's a dementor-looking motherfucker. May I add also *ahem* the lack of an actual mouth? You Harry Potter fanatics should read a little closer. Dementors have no conventional mouth. pic here: Actually this is a pretty fantastic dementor-esque pic. he has no eyes here.

  • July 16, 2003, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Seriously, lookit that picture in my last post.

    by ScumOfTheEarth

    I'm now going to go further after staring at this pic for some time and say that that is exactly what a dementor should look like. No changes, no alterations. That's it.