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So Brad Pitt has signed to play CAPTAIN AMERICA right'
Hey folks, Harry here... Seems a lot of folks are hopping on this Brad Pitt has signed onboard CAPTAIN AMERICA story that's come out of SKY NEWS' gossip fella Neil Sean (me neither), who claims to have spies saying that Brad Pitt has signed onboard to play CAPTAIN AMERICA. They even seem to quote Brad Pitt as saying, "I wanted to make an all-out family movie - something that all ages can go to. And as a child it was my favourite comic."
Given I make it a quasi-religious task of following what is going on with CAPTAIN AMERICA... I knew that last I heard it was tied up in a "RIGHTS ISSUE" and was at no point in development until that hurdle was cleared. Got the drop on this story 2 days ago, but waited till today to find time after the holiday weekend to call Avi Arad to see what was going on with the star-spangled one.
"So Avi, what's this Captain America - Brad Pitt thing?"
"Harry, I don't even know where they are getting this stuff from? As you know we are doing nothing with Captain America right now till we clear up the 'Rights Issues'. We want to do some amazing things with CAPTAIN AMERICA, but till everything is clear we are concentrating on other projects as you know."
I told him about the SKY NEWS piece and he said that he had been being called by the press about the rumor and he has been giving no comments, but that Brad Pitt is most definitely not signed on to play CAPTAIN AMERICA right now. Apparently he's never talked with Pitt about it, but that if Brad wants to play Captain America, Avi would definitely talk with him about it, but as of now... there isn't anything to talk with him about because till the rights are cleared it is essentially wasted breath.
Ok... so Brad Pitt isn't playing CAPTAIN AMERICA, there is no script, no director and no film set up because the 'Rights Issues' are still being worked out and as we all remember on SPIDER-MAN, these things take time. Lots of time.
Alright... so that aside... what do I think of BRAD PITT as Captain America?
If you remember or have ever even seen the original origin story art by Simon/Kirby that appeared in CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS #1 in March of 1941... btw the first MARVEL (then TIMELY) hero to debut in his own titled comic... Well the beanpole like Steve Rogers prior to his Super-Serum injection actually bore more than a passing resemblance to Brad Pitt in body type and physical appearance.
HOWEVER - how on earth they'd pull off the Captain America physique on Brad Pitt without filming the origin story 2 years prior to the main body of production, which would require astonishing weight and mass gain and complete body form type change.... or do the CG or Make Up route... It's just complicated and very intense physical difference. Of course - Rick Baker could probably kick its ass best. The main thing is Brad's contemporary sounding voice and lack of authoratative command and presence... which could all change when we see his Achilles in TROY next summer.
However, we don't have to seriously think about this right now, because it ain't happening folks. And that's the real scoop...
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I hope this film never gets made. As if America needs more arsenal for its blitzkreg of patriotism.
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No surprise here.
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EVER mattered in a Comic Book Movie? Wolverine?!?!? Daredevil?!! They need the right ACTOR to play the character, and IMHO, all respect to Brad, but he ain't no Captain America. Still, Michael Keaton was Batman, so, who fuckin' knows?
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first? last? who cares. The point is, Brad Pitt just ain't Steve Rogers.
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All that and then some.
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I don't mean gay as a derogatory term. My apologies if I offended everyone. I guess I should have written Captain America is the most pathetic excuse for a superhero ever to be created. Once again my apologies.
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I'm sorry, it's just I've never been first at anything. I thing all the "this is not news posters" who mentioned the pitt thing yesterday are mighty humbeled now. Thank you Harry for bringing us the truth. It's stuff like this I read this site for.
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Remember when Scott Paulin was Red Skull?
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Jul 07, 2003 6:07:54 PM CDT
Strangely enough, Thomas Jane would've made a perfect Cap, had h
by chastain-86
Odd, that.
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Jul 07, 2003 6:08:54 PM CDT
For once im not dissatisfied over a star/ super hero pairing!
by iamarayya
He could work. Pitt although a himbo is a good actor, look at 12 monkeys, Seven, and Fight Club to see how good he can be. To bad captin america sucks as a super hero. Let me guess, like the Capt America faught the Nazi's will the Capt fight Al-Qeida? It would give middleasterners a chance to star as terroroist again. Hmmm what about an arab Capt. America? It might help our image on the arab street!!
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http://www.chud.com/boxorifice.php3---------like a dying fish. $62 Million opening weekend. Down %72 to $18 Million it's second weekend. Down another %50 to $8 Million it's third weekend. Yup. It was really that bad.
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what would be great is if Brad made that "I have to shit" face like he did in Seven just before he blew Kevin Spacey away...."Oh gaaad, oh Gaaaad!"
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You should know better Brad.
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how many members does your worthless, wanna be, site have now? 10? Your wordy, brainless reviews equal the nonsense that comes out of this sites reviewers. Weak effort at best, lads.
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So any Cap movie is a no-go 'til they untangle this legal mess, eh? CBS made the tv movies and I think the film was a Cannon project, so who knows how many suits will be involved in this courtroom wrangling. I just hope they do get it cleared up 'cause I'd love to see a big budget Captain America movie. The genius of Jack Kirby and Joe Simon deserves to be up there on the big screen. -
I'm curious... is Brad Pitt a big star? Can he be trusted with a franchise? How many hits has he actually had? "Seven" doesn't count as the intriquing plot sold that flick. "Oceans Eleven was too ensemble. Hell, I say O11 was a hit mostly because it was the big, dumb, fun the country needed after 9-11.
Pitt is famous because every girl wants to fuck him and because he married Jennifer Aniston after fucking the upper crust out of Gwyneth Paltrow (clearly, Gwynnie got it back) He doesn't open movies. The only thing he opens are condom wrappers and lots of them (lucky bastard) -
how about Paul Walker as Steve Rogers? Any stunt performer could wear Cap's star spangled suit and mask (ala Spidey) but Walker might make a good Rogers -
It's a serum. He can be really fit, but doesn't need to look all Conan-like. I picture Pitt's American to look like he did in The Ultimates.
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How dare...I say...HOW DARE THEY TRY AND SOIL THE MEMORY AND ALL THE HARD TRAILBLAZING WORK OF MATT SALINGER AND ALBERT PYUN!!!!! THESE GUYS HAVE MORE TALENT THAN A WAD OF GOO ON THE CITY STREET!!! AND YET, THEY ARE RAILROADED BY NOT ONLY HAVING THEIR VERSION SHELVED FOR YEARS, BUT THEN THE CRIMINAL REMAKE WITH A STAR?????....okay, only if they have McG, K.A.O.S., or any other one-name driecor handle it.....And thus, I have spoken! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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Oops!!!! Sorry about that rant....I just found out that all of this rumor stuff is exactly that...just a rumor...turns out Brad Pitt has signed on to star in "Lieutenant Canada", which is about a crime fighting superhero that rides around in a Mercury Granada in brown sweats and saves the world from cow tippers and people who refuse to use their turn signals....I can see where all of the confusion came from....glad I could clear this up.....And thus, I think I will have another shot! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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Since Hollywood is so politically correct about portraying the muslims as terrorists, they would instead have Captian America fight warewolves & vampires, or American terrorists in hot air balloons. And to make things even more interesting, they could also get Hulk Hogan to star as Protocide. (I'm gonna pound you to the floor, Brother!)
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Brad Pitt as the Cap?
Eric Bana as Bruce Banner?
Why don't they start reading Wizard to see who the fans would pick instead of making these crappy choices?
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Jul 07, 2003 6:48:15 PM CDT
Harry, Cap doesn't have to be Hulk-like after taking the super s
by blue devil
I wouldn't bother wasting time trying to buff Brad (or anyone)up for the post-serum part of the story. Simply put the guy in a form fitting outfit and make sure he's in good shape. After all, we didn't have two people play Superman (a wimpy Clark and a buff Supes), I don't see why we'd need such a drastic change with Steve Rogers before and after the serum.
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Anything titled Captain America will make about fifty cents in today's global marketplace. With the way we're regarded by the rest of the world these days, it would be like releasing a movie called Captain Al-Qaeda in the United States.
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Need I point out that Cap needs to be played by someone considerably younger than Brad Pitt. Isn't Pitt 37? Cap should be in his mid-20s.
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Cap is the best. He doesn't fly or shoot lasers out of his eyes or grow indestructible claws. He is just a man who fights for his country and has the will to keep fighting for what he knows is right long after anyone else would have given up. He finds a way. And allthough I vehemently disagree with you, Cap would fight for your right to voice your opinion. I think it's in the Constitution somewhere. I highly recommend you read it and thank God you have people out there willing to defend it.
On the Bradd Pitt Issue...Unless we dress up Danny Devito as CrossBones I don't think he has the right body type.
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Don't dismiss ol' Brad just yet, he did a decent job in Sinbad, albeit voice work as opposed to a role. Though too many people are gonna see Brad Pitt as opposed to Steve Rogers - this will be one of the first Marvel flicks aside from Blade where a well known actor takes on the title role. But I won't pass judgment till I see a costume and see Pitt emote as Cap. And will this thing be set in modern day or WWII?
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Too much lameness out of our badass these days. Sinbad, anyone?
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If I'm not mistaken, blckmgk13 was referring to the disgusting, sick fiasco that was (is) the US and UK's illegal, pre-emptive and unjustifiable occupation of Iraq(Don't fucking MENTION the word liberation) I'm curious though - where EXACTLY in your hallowed constitution does it say its fine to falsify a shitload of evidence, carpetbomb a country, kill thousands of innocent people (you missed almost all of those who were concievably guilty of something), secure oil wells but ignore museums/sacred sites, install ineffectual puppet leaders, allow the country to run riot, drugs, prostitution and rape to explode in the cities, sewage to run openly down streets, disease to spread exponentially through poorer areas of Kabul, Nasiryah and Baghdad, contracts for 'rebuilding' worth $600 Billion given to Bush's cronies without bid or competition.....etc. Etc. ETC. Just point me to the part where your constitution says thats OK and I'll be happy. Why in the name of Christ, when Bush and Blair are both under investigation, the fucking entire world is disgusted to their bones - why oh WHY are there still people out there actually DEFENDING what has happened in Iraq? Are you really that blind?
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Pitt turns the big 40 in November, but that doesn't matter because he still doesn't look a day over 25. But it would be blasphemy not to mention Ashton Kutcher as a good choice, since he is considered for everything right now. Maybe Reese Witherspoon could play his love interest, does Captain American have a love interest? I'm showing my ingnorance now, but I was little commie reading comics as a kid. Somebody had to root for Dolph in Rocky 4!
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Jul 07, 2003 7:23:05 PM CDT
Holy shit that is some disjointed crap I just wrote down. Damn
by pumpymcass
But seriously. Pitt has to get back to doing cool shit like Snatch Fight Club 12 Monkeys Kalifornia and Seven. Come back, cool Brad! Come back!
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Hmmm, Brad Pitt as Captain America. Interesting. You set the movie in WWII and it just might work. To those haters out there, give it a shot. At least he's a better choice than the son of the author of Catcher in the Rye, who made that God-Awful Captain America film back in the 1990's. THere have been worse casting ideas like Leonardo DiCaprio as Spider-Man and Halle Berry as Storm (Should have been Angela Bassett)
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Come on guys, look within yourselves and you'll realize that this isn't half as bad as when you heard Ben Affleck would be Daredevil. Thought so, and hey, at least it isn't Ashton Kutcher. Right? And I think we all admire him on some level. This is TYLER DURDEN. This is Mickey from Snatch. This is the man from 7even and 12 Monkeys for God's sake. It's all about putting everything in perspective. This could be one of the best comic book portrayals since Hugh Jackman as Wolverine.
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Troy will rule. Hellboy will bomb. Van Helsing will suffer a 60% drop. Shrek 2 will gross marginally. I, Robot will flop. Spider-Man 2 won't get more than $200 mil. And you know what? Captain American is gay, and I'm sick of the summer moviecraze. Viva la Holiday seasionde!
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Jul 07, 2003 7:43:48 PM CDT
WIZARD actually wanted a live action SIMPSONS movie starring Tom
by ordell robbie
I haven't picked up WIZARD in years mostly cuz the price kept getting raised way above what it's actually worth. I remember years ago they had that 'casting call' section and it was the stupidest shit I'd ever read. They cast a Gen 13 movie (suppose to be about teenagers) with a bunch of actors in their mid 30's. Their biggest crime was trying to pitch a live action Simpsons movie starring Tom Arnold as Homer. That sounds like a joke, I know, but it really didn't read that way in the magazine. They really thought that a live action Simpsons movie would be a good idea. Chris Farley as Barney (this was before he died) I think the very first casting call they did was for X-Men and they decided that Clint Eastwood would be perfect for the role of Cable. 'Casting Call' really wasn't a joke back then either. If Wizard still does it I hope they've turned it into a self parody or something cuz it's beyond stupid. Does anyone pick up that magazine anymore?
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Jul 07, 2003 7:50:56 PM CDT
As long as they bring back Albert Pyun and have Red Skull cut of
by declan_swartz
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...are you seriously telling us about something that isn't happening? I usually support everything that you do man, but this reaches new levels of stupidity.
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YOu want an ideal Cap?
Kenny Johnson, the guy who plays Lem on the Shield would be awesome. The guy is built, is a motorcycle enthusiast and looks a lot like one would suspect Steve Rogers would.
While not perfect, as a kid I really liked Reb Brown as Cap. Sure, it wasn't always faithful or good, but the '70s version of Capt. America looked awesome busting out of the back of his van with his motorcycle and Reb Brown really did look like he could kick some Nazi ass (of course, as his character was only a relative of the WWII Cap, that never happened). -
Hey Harry, do you think it would be a bad idea if a Captain America film were set in the modern day? I think I already know the answer but I gotta ask anyway. I think it would be a really bad idea, like 'time-to-start-an-online-petition' kinda bad. Captain America is such a dated superhero and that can be a good thing if it's done right. He ought to be punching Nazi's off the tops of moving tanks like Indy or something. I really don't wanna see a modern day version of Cap. Especially these modern days.
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Jul 07, 2003 8:09:28 PM CDT
Brad Pitt is one of the greatest actors of our time if he wants
by eyegore
It's easy to hate brad for being a pretty boy if you're the insecure type who can't recognize great acting, but BP has earned the right to do whatever role he wants. I hope this does work out in the end. No CGI muscles though...thats crazy talk.
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See BAND OF BROTHERS, then get back with me. He is the beginning and the end of the search. Period.
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Captain Britain is one of the gayest superheroes ever. Eek.
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What he said
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I want the 'right' to go to the movies without seeing anymore trailers for overhyped live action Saturday morning cartoons.
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Jul 07, 2003 8:32:32 PM CDT
Now is definitely not the right time to bring Captain Jingoism i
by el duderino
What appeal did this character have to begin with? I never followed the origins of this character, so did he come about as a response to the Nazi's or was he a product of cold war hysteria? So was there anything more to this character?
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...But I don't see it.He just doesn't have the physical presence to play Cap.And how do you make a Captain America movie w/out it coming off as corny.That's going to be a tough one.But I guess none of this really matters anyway.
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cast some nobody actor as Capt. Have him team up with Segal and DMX and Jet Li and have them fight Nazi Arab terrorists who also deal drugs from hot air ballons, now that is a summer movie... Also who cares what the rest of the world thinks about US or Capt.? The only countries we should care about are UK, Canada, Australia and Ireland those places kick ass
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At least they got the phsyique right, and they had Christopher Lee as the baddie and Lana Wood, Heather Menzies, and Robin Mattson as the honies. How the hell can you beat that?
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Hey screw you if you dont like america then you can get the fuck out. This is only country in the world where you can talk about your country like your dumb ass is doing. You wouldnt last 10 fucking seconds in Iraq so you should be kissing America's big hairy beanbag you worthless piece shit
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But, it'll never happen. These legal issues will be going on forever.
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Jul 07, 2003 9:10:00 PM CDT
The problem is that CAPTAIN AMERICA and SUPERMAN don't fit in an
by frankdrebin
These are cynical, sarcastic times. Cap and Supes are all about optimism and innocence. How is the WB going to launch a sunny, heroic Superman movie in a time when Eminem and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City top the charts? I suppose Marvel could "re-imagine" Cap into some dark, pessimistic, sadistic...oh, wait, that's the Punisher.
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Heather Menzies and Robin Mattson in their prime. Nice.
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He can wake up in the morning and have a bong-pipe breakfast before pulling on the ol' red white and blue spandex.
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But, nope, it'll never happen. And if it does, they'll probably miscast it.
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I won't venture an opinion on who I would prefer to play Cap, but I suggest Tim Roth or Ralph Fiennes for Red Skull. Also, the whole Skull as Hitler's right hand man thing wouldn't fly in today's modern cinema. Instead I would make Skull the secret Nazi agent who sabotaged Operation Rebirth, injecting a prototype version of the serum into himself, thus leaving him disfigured. Captain America's costume could look cool if it was made more like body armor with duller colors. The movie also needs cool action sequences with Cap taking armies with his kick-ass shield. Captain America rivals Wolverine in hand-to-hand combat skills, after all. As for the anti-American talk-backers: we believe in free speech in my beloved country, so I'm free to tell you to go sit on a cock! America kicks ass and you know it. You guys backed the wrong horse and we showed you as much when we tore down your false UN idol. Doubt the Euro-pussies will cry to them when they're in a real bind.
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Noticed a disturbing trend recently- all these nebs blasting away on Cap. Geez, who put sand in your vaginas? While he's never been my favorite character, the concept is still powerful. Steve Rogers is cut from the same cloth as Aragorn and countless other heroic figures, and has as much resonance today as he did 60 years ago. I don't know what kind of subtext some people look for, but I'm pretty sure he's not any gayer or sabre-rattling than any other comic book hero, actually even less so. Malcontent bs aside, somebody mentioned earlier about leaving casting up to those with brains? A-huh, a-huh, a-huh. Yyyeeaaaah. Rrriiiight. Been here before? Even if these magical casting genies existed, still nobody would be satisfied, cuz it's in your uber-geek, fanboy natures to complain about everything, including the rope homophobic good old boys will someday hang you with.
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to prove to everyone he has "connections" and that they weren't slow on a scoop
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Jul 07, 2003 9:41:18 PM CDT
As long as the film itself doesn't turn out like the laughably b
by industrykiller
Marvels not on a good streak lately. And after seeing the Punisher teaser I'm teribbly worried even after initially supporting the Thomas Jane casting choice. Maybe it's best that we take a little time before greenlighting every Marvel film we can with wreckless abandon because the quality of them is dropping like a stone. Also man do you guys have some stupid fucking opinions on who Cap should be played by. Neil Mcdonough? Please. In what way is he any better than Brad Pitt? With that said Aaron Eckhart is a pretty fucking good idea. He's got the build and the strong personality.
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Fuck Captain America and all the goosestepping, People-reading, Wall Mart shopping, fag-flag-shield, fuck-potatoes of this could-be-great land. There are simply too many fat ass-mustard fuckholes who will blindly follow whatever pussy Nazi red white and blow chunks crap they are spoonfed from Corptain Amercio. Bush and his gang are a bunch of thieves, raping the retirements of old people and the schooling of the young so they can have yet another yacht and remain in power. Anyone steps up to say different, you'll first get my cum then a fat wad of hot lead down your throat. Pussy flag-waving assholes without a shit's worth of sense to think about how America is FUCKING THE WORLD. Eat my shit, Neopubs.
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...and they cast Jackie Chan as Cap. Oh, and what we did in Iraq rocks...lets keep moving east!
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Maybe nobody has mentioned this before but the talkbacks do not post in the right order. Maybe before you pay your artist for the next clever animated .gif you could head down to your basement, open up your gimp-trunk and pay your cgi slave to fix it? PLEASE?
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When Harry runs these kinds of stories. I love how he starts them with..."I heard about this a couple of days ago but...I was too busy, or...." Whatever fatboy. You probably stole this story from the same place as all the others. And yes.....the ridiculous name-dropping continues. "Well....I decided to call my pal Avi" or..."I called up Fox to get to the bottom of this"....I'm sure people really respect you chubbs. A couple of years ago...you were ok harry...but now...you are a joke. A walking punchline.
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Jul 07, 2003 9:59:16 PM CDT
Oh...and Nurse Capt. Funktastic is ready for his medication.
by jakebanzai
Hey Funkster, how much is a plane ticket to Cuba? I'll throw in fifty. God, some people love their country - right or wrong. Wow, that is sick ;-)
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Jul 07, 2003 10:22:27 PM CDT
The "Rights Issue" that they never explain is that Joe Simon is
by andy travis
He co-created Cap with Jack Kirby. Maybe. As is typical of these things, there's no clear creator here--Simon says he made him up and designed the costume (and there IS a Joe Simon Cap design in existence from that time-period). Whether or not Kirby is a co-creator whose family deserves compensation for all the Cap-related stuff is a little nebulous. Kirby, in interviews, certainly thought of himself as a co-creator or even main creator of Cap.
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What... is your... trip?! I won't say I agree 100% with the current administration's policies and I'm the last guy to shout from the mountaintops how friggin' great the USA is, but having said that, I see no other nation on this globe stepping up like they have AND any grief the fanatic savages of this world get is better than they deserve. This is supposed to be an entertainment site, political rhetoric is extremely innapropriate. There is help available for people like you. You'd be well advised to seek it, you degenerate, hippy, pinko-fag nutsack!!
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Jul 07, 2003 10:37:23 PM CDT
The first rule of THE AVENGERS is you don't talk about THE AVENG
by sherlock_holmes_
Brad could work. I think. Eh. Who cares- Captain America movies always suck, anyway. Until the Red Skull shows up as a NAZI and not an Italian...
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Jul 07, 2003 10:40:05 PM CDT
Brad Pitt as Captain America taking over a hot air ballon ride
by tao of dumbass
That I'll play to see.
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Jul 07, 2003 11:12:03 PM CDT
Captain America a gay character? You're letting your gay bias s
by chastain-86
Amazing that people have come to accept gay equalling stupid in this day and age. Stupid closeted kids with no vocabulary...THAT'S the mindset of the little bastards that'll be taking care of me and the rest of the internet's grizzled veterans when we hit the old folks home. *shudder* That said, Cap AIN'T a gay character, boys. Maybe you're thinking of The Rawhide Kid?
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Jul 07, 2003 11:18:59 PM CDT
Captain Afghanistan, Captain Iraq, Captain Iran, Captain Syria,
by regis travolta
Oh and Captain North Korea don't forget that one. This sounds like a good red white and blue all-American Superman movie, bring it on as W. Bush would put it. Don't forget Captain Taliban he's evil.
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Jul 07, 2003 11:19:36 PM CDT
Actually, Travis, the "rights" issue goes deeper than what you'r
by commando cody
You said "Simon co-created Cap with Jack Kirby. Maybe." First off, there is NO maybe here. Even Simon himself has acknowledged through past interviews that Kirby was co-creator of the character. And more than enough interviews exist with other creators of that time as well as other historical documentation to show this. You also said "Whether or not Kirby is a co-creator whose family deserves compensation for all the Cap-related stuff is a little nebulous." THIS is the heart of the lawsuit. It's all about due compensation after all these years. Basically the Captain America lawsuit goes to the notion of how much profit participation -- if not outright FULL character ownership REVERSION -- should belong to creators, such as Simon AND most certainly Kirby, over the early Marvel (ie. Timely comics) due to current copyright law and the way it's worded. Make no mistake, in terms of creative copyright ownership, this is a case with far reaching ramifications, and if in ANY way Marvel loses the Simon lawsuit, it'll have MAJOR repurcussions on the comic industry...
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I was never a big Cap fan, and I agree with many posters that the only real way for this to work is set it in WWII. Captain America in modern-day is just gonna seem hokey. But it'll work like gangbusters in the original time period. But speaking of Marvel, where's the freakin' Thor movie?? That's one of Marvel's A-list superheroes, and I've heard/read/seen ZERO on this. Yet with the popularity of LOTR, you'd think Tales of Asgard with the thunder god crossing over to Midgard might just work. Who's got the rights? Artisan? (If they do, could one of the big studios buy them back and do it up right? I'm skeptical re the Thomas Jane Punisher.)
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Jul 07, 2003 11:36:34 PM CDT
This movie would be cool if it had the Falcon in it and he turne
by uncle stan
Actually, this really happened in the comics back in the seventies.
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Jul 08, 2003 12:06:07 AM CDT
Cody, I agree. I over-simplified things, but regarding Simon and
by andy travis
For most of these past fifty-odd years Simon has stated repeatedly that Kirby was the co-creator. But I recently read a statement or interview (I can't remember which)in The Comics Journal dealing with this current lawsuit where Simon said that he was the sole creator of the concept of Captain America, or words to that effect. Surely Kirby would disagree with that statement if he were alive, and surely the Kirby Estate disagrees with it (I disagree as well, but legally these questions of ownership of comics-related characters gets very muddled).
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Hey before they decided to greenlight Captatin America, they should of started on Little Lulu the live action version. She's a spunky precocious little girl. Don't believe me? http://michelesworld.net/dmm2/lulu/question.htm will tell you the truth on why she should be the next comic book character made into a movie.
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Jul 08, 2003 12:16:24 AM CDT
Um, yeah, Harry, that's great. Hey, where's the story about JAM
by llghtst0rmer
Think I'm shittin' you?
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Yeah we can talk about WHAT IS HAPPENING IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW in a bad light. That is not hating America, it is being patriotic. The fucking constitution says that we are supposed to protect ourselves from threats "both foreign and domestic". Domestic, as in home grown. I'd say that an unelected president who feels like he can run the country into the ground by giving all our money to his rich friends, and starting wars all around the world counts as a domestic threat to the future of our country. And if you don't like hearing this then you get out of America because in America I have the right to say it. For now at least. Just wait until that is over, which will probably be after Bush steals the next election and declares the constitution obsolete, and declares himself president for life.
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Well let's hear it then: who do you guys think should play Captain America? What, you thought that I actually had an opinion? I will say this: Aaron Eckhardt should NOT get the job by virtue of anything short of a successful audition; no offense to the guy and his work, he just doesn't seem right for the part. Oh yeah, and my apologies to Lewis Black for filching from his M.O. If it helps, I'll give you a free plug: anyone who wants orderly message boards and interesting discussion topics should check out rockithardcore.com. There, I did it, and I'm NOT a shill. Just tryin' to help a brother out.
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Give me a break. You sound like one of those morons who says shit like "How does it FEEL to be a racist scumbag?!". Like MANY people much smarter than you have said before "A great many people believe that they are thinking when what it is that they are doing is rearranging their prejudices." You have every right to lament what happened in Iraq, but don't expect everyone in this country to hate themSELVES because of it.
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'nuff said.
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Michael Keaton pulled of Batman for chrissakes... Pitt can do Cap.
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Sure Cap is Gay but THE GAYEST Superhero is Ace followed by Gary. Of course Batman, Wolverine and Thor are all bif flammers to. Don't even get me started on Iron Man. Yeah, he's Iron alright. Oddly enough Antman and the Falcon are straight as arrows.
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Captain America would kick the shit out of Captain Iraq or Captain Afghanistan...
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Captain America is a lame, dated character. Captain America was fine in a time when husbands and wives were shown going to sleep in separate beds. There's many more interesting characters that studios should be concentrating on.
To the poster who questioned how Americans can still be supporting Bush,all you have to do is watch our network news - it's complete garbage. Unless you get your head out of your ass and READ the news in print or online, you'll never hear anything other than the administration's soundbytes. It's sad, but true. Our country is filled with apathetic people who couldn't care less to get involved and realize what is happening in the country re. Bush's disastrous legislative choices in EVERY AREA.
www.freespeechintheusa.com
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How bad can your life possibly be that you're using an entertainment site to spew your bile about how irrecovably evil and hateful you think our current President is? Did he hurt you in some way? What has happened in your life to make you so friggin' bitter? You apparently have the time and money to talk about unimportant shit here, when those people we freed over in Iraq were (until recently) wondering how many fingers they'd have remaining after they suggested that Saddam might not be the best thing for their country. Holy crap on a triscuit, your life ain't that bad under this supposed Antichrist that "never got elected".
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Jul 08, 2003 1:12:43 AM CDT
No prob, Travis, I knew what you meant...I just wanted to flesh
by commando cody
You also just added, "But I recently read a statement or interview where Simon said he was the sole creator of the concept of Captain America, or words to that effect. Surely Kirby would disagree with that statement if he were alive, and surely the Kirby Estate disagrees with it. I disagree as well, but legally these questions of ownership of comics-related characters gets very muddled." Well, again, the whole character ownership IS what this lawsuit is about, and I think you hit the nail on the head by pointing out Simon is making some of these newer claims now that Kirby is deceased. In following the lawsuit a bit loosely, it seems that Simon has changed his tune a bit since Jack's death, now trying to get all the Cap rights for HIMSELF and squeezing out the Kirby estate, which seems amazingly lame on Joe's part. Then again, I seem to recall reading as well that in the later years Joe and Jack were not on the best of terms. Also, alot of this lawsuit stems from a similar lawsuit that questioned how much compensation KIRBY was really still due for the core Marvel characters given that Stan has been more then financially rewarded over the years, but Jack hadn't been. That goes to the notion that Marvel slipped Stan the money by making him an executive and later a "creative consultant"...the irony there being Stan turning right around and feeling HE was gipped on money due him over the SPIDER-MAN and X-MEN movies. All in all, it's a tangled mess and you're right, a muddled issue in terms of ownerships and copyrights since alot of legal paperwork really DOESN'T exist for the days of Timely Comics and CAPTAIN AMERICA, nor for the formative days of Marvel. So going back to what I said in my last post, this lawsuit REALLY will be fascinating to watch as it plays out because it really could rewrite ALL the rules about comic publishing...
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...SUCKS! It is completely impossible, with the sheer number of posts this site gets, to follow any discussion where everything is out of order. Fix the shit already! It's not that hard to order something coming from a database - takes 10 seconds to code. Jesus, do it already!
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Jul 08, 2003 1:19:55 AM CDT
PS: all you Cap naysayers and anti-US, anti-Bush people can knee
by commando cody
First, if this WAS a legitimate news bit, look on the bright side: there's no way someone like Brad Pitt -- given the money he commands these days -- would be doing a CAPTAIN AMERICA movie UNLESS the studio was going to go all-out on it and pump serious cash into it, meaning at least it would be an A level production. As for how he could be Steve Rogers, he'd be fine. He'd be perfect for the pre-serum soldier, and as per most Hollywood superhero movies these days, you bulk him up or give him a bit of a padded suit to round him out. No big deal there. As for those who think Cap is too old fashioned to exist in today's "sarcastic" world or in a world where people know all about some supposed "evils" the Bush presidency is thrusting on you, you're full of shit. Go call your doctor and tell him to UP your shock therapy treatments because clearly your synapses aren't firing and in the immortal words of Bugs Bunny you're a maroon. CAP, done right on film and capturing his whole WWII origin properly and playing it out that way, would do great these days me thinks...
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Anyone who's hoping 'Captain America' will be set during W.W.2 is up for a major disappointment. Just picture the bloated money men tossing the idea about in their brain damaged heads -
Yuppie #1: Well, we could set it during the reign of Hitler, and have Captain America kicking Nazi ass. It'd be like a super hero version of Indiana Jones!
Yupppie #2: Hmmm. All those antique cars, buildings and outfits cost money you know. Why don't we just make it a hackneyed 'fish out of water' film, like the first Austin Powers? Much cheaper to produce, and 'irony' is in these days. Think of that costume in modern times! It'll be hilarious!
Yuppie #1: I think you're on to something! He can have a rap star or black comedian as his side kick who constantly rips on his stupid outfit. I'm thinking LL Cool J or Chris Rock.
Yuppie #2: Genious! Throw in the current 'flavour of the month' starlet as the love interest, a slew of innoffensive chart-topping singles, some cgi beasties, and we have a winner on our hands!
Yuppie #1: Hurrah! Pass the coke -the naked hookers are on me!
If the film doesn't turn out alot like the horror described above, I'll eat my hat or something.
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There HAS been an increasing amount of ownership/compensation lawsuits in recent years, mostly due to increasing profits from movies and merchandising tie-ins and (signifigantly) the due dates rolling back around for re-filing copyrights. Dan DeCarlo unsuccessfully sued for royalties from his Archie comics line, as well. Eventually I do believe one of these types of cases will win, and what Cody said--it would drastically change things, ESPECIALLY if it's an issue of ownership. I suspect Marvel and other companies' executives and lawyers really sweat these things out behind the scenes.
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Jul 08, 2003 2:30:05 AM CDT
What, are they going to RE-MAKE Albert Pyun's wretched version o
by fd resurrected
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They impeach murderers, don't they? Hold Bush Accountable!
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Jul 08, 2003 2:47:19 AM CDT
Captain America? They're making a film about George Bush?
by theginger twit
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Jul 08, 2003 2:54:05 AM CDT
I can see all the empty cinema's right accross the globe on this
by theginger twit
Really, Captain AMERICA? Get the fuck outta here.
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Jul 08, 2003 2:54:26 AM CDT
Blkmgc13, Ye Not Guilty, jigga420 and all their ilk are waiting
by allegos
...the life story of their hero, the French savate master known as Batroc the Leaper. WATCH Batroc temproraily misplace his backbone every time the liberty of the French people is threatened! THRILL as Batroc cozens up to real life tyrants in a naked show of appeasement! Shudder as Batroc spend 23 hours out of every day pissing on America, and the 24th begging America for help! Starring Mr Funktastic as a shrill self-hating homosexual, and Woodystiffer as Neville Chamberlain. A "Peace In Our Time" production.
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Give him a talking pooch pal voiced by Adam sandler and a wiseracking black sidekick played by Eddie Griffin. Watch the money roll in.
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Now that would be nice. Now, who would make a great Dormammu?
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Jul 08, 2003 3:45:50 AM CDT
I LOVE AMAERICA, I WOULD LOVE CAPTAIN AMERICA but the fact is BU
by silentbobafett2
AMERICANS KILLED!! SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY this doesn't mean do what ever your goverment says!!!! Remeber Vietnam? (which this is not) but still.....
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CAPTAIN AMERICA was the worst of all Marvel heroes; it was just bullshit propoganda in the old comics, and he quickly became useless once the Marvel-buying public woke up. Who gives a crap about this movie? It'll sink further than THE PUNISHER.
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The role of Capt. America demands someone who conveys strength, willpower, and firmness of character. Brad Pitt's an awesome actor, and though he's obviously the kind of A-list Aryan actor the studios would immediately think of for this role, he's just too easy-going and cool a guy to portray a mascot for all values America stands for ("yeah, hey, I'm Captain America! You wanna burn the flag? Sure! Why not!"). Maybe I'm reading a little too much into things, but I see someone like Aaron Eckhardt or Paul Walker, someone who a little more rigid, more humorless (plus, it could potentially be a conflict of interest to have someone who played such an anti-establishment antihero as Tyler Durden to turn around and play Captain America). And hair means only so much, if they wouldn't restrict themselves to just Aryan-types, I'm sure there's a ton of other decent A & B-list actors who could do the job. Hell, as much as I hate to say it here, considering how many people seem to dislike the guy, I could almost see Ben Affleck being a better Captain America than Pitt. After all, Affleck may have looked okay in costume as Daredevil, but being a burly 6-plus feet tall, he just didn't convey the vulnerability needed to play a blind, cerebral guy like Matt Murdock. For Captain America though he would've been fine in both alter-egos. What would really be cool though is if they wrote the script for a non-white actor, like they did with the recent African-American Captain America. Commercially it could be a good idea, it could speak more the diversity that America stands for, and the great odds Cap has to overcome before he's accepted into the army and becomes Captain America would have even more meaning if he were part of a "minority". But that's just my affirmative action-packed opinion...
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Jul 08, 2003 4:28:26 AM CDT
Given that Thomas Jane is sooo gay and he`s playing Punisher, Pi
by chien_sale
AARON ECKHART or i`m not even considering this movie. By the way, they should offer the Simon family who`s suing to make them movie stars so they can shut the fuck up.
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I think Captain America should have a sequel where Captain Britain (who has been his secret gay lover for years) has to clear up all the fucking mess he caused in the first film because of his 'gung-ho' shoot first ask questions later actions.
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Why do you persist in this myth that the US is the only country in the world that has the freedom to complain about itself. The whole western world can slag itself off. In Britain it's a national pastime. Even if King Arthur came back and proclaimed a new golden age of peace and prosperity for all we'd still be complaining that his crown looked a bit wonky.
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and Ving Rhames as Falcon.
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There was some dissing of Brad's body needing two years to get into shape. That's crazy! Did you not see Fight Club or snatch? Mr. Anniston was ripped to the bone! If you think he's too skinny - check out Kalfornia. A scary looking bearded Brad was all bulked up (for him). More muscle than all of the guys who donned the cape and cowel to play Bats. Pitt is obviously blessed with outstanding genetics. Eat almost anything he wants and still has abs. What a dick! Physique and jaw wise Brad would be a good choice. Too bad it will never happen.
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Please don't mention Reese Witherspoon for anything to do with this movie unless maybe you're thinking she could play the Red Skull, annoying freaky bitch that she is. Of course they could always bring back Christopher Lee for the villain. Last I remember he got doused by that aging formula. He's ready to go right now. No additional makeup required. Just leave Bucky the fuck out of it. Cap RULEZ, you bunch of PANSY losers!! Go suck some more frenchy ass while your at it.
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Tom Sizemore plays Captain America. The story is, Captain America scopes a villain who happens to have a lot of treasure in his HQ. He can't prove that the villain is about to destroy the world or anything, but Cap tells everyone he saw him making a terrifying new weapon which will wipe out everything, he saw it with his special x-ray ultrasonic eyes when no-one else was looking. A lot of people believe him, some don't, the cops scope out the eViL lair to find this weapon, but they can't seem to. They ask Captain America for more time, but Cap gets impatient, pushes the cops aside and goes and flattens the villain's HQ, accidentally killing some local kids and allied cops in the process but nevermind that, hey look at how cool Cap is. Anyways, so he wiped out the villain, but now people can't help noticing that Captain America doesn't seem to be coming out of the eViL lair. In fact, he's walking around in just his panties rubbing himself with the treasure. Some cops try to go in because they want to see for themselves the weapon that the villain were producing, but Cap says no, I'm going to find the weapon. Six months later, Cap hasn't produced any weapon and he's still walking around in his dubloon filled panties. The world kind of hates Captain America now but Cap says fuck you, I can wipe you out at anytime, so you better start liking me. The story ends with Cap America finally leaving the eViL lair to visit his buddy Captain Africa, who coincidentally wears a lot of expensive jewelery and has a set of gold teeth. The final shot is of Captain Africa nervously painting over his gold teeth with white-out. What do you think?
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Will you F-ing idiots take your Michael Moore "I hate Bush/America" rants somewhere else (Like slate.com).
Some of us prefer to actually discuss movies without everything being tied back to your paranoid little fantasies.
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He's Caps sidekick. He has some problems in that his head refuses to listen to what his body is telling him. As such, he charges off into battle ahead of Captain America who keeps mistakenly shooting him in the back. Once the fight is over, Lieutenant Britains head gets in an unseemly squabble with his heart. His mouth, who continualy asserted that he was only saying what the brain and eyes told him to do loses all control completely. The story ends when, inconceivably, Lieutenant Britains position as sidekick is usurped by Sergeant Duncan Smith, due to the Lt shooting himself in the foot, then continually sucking it to the bone. The yanks won't get it, but it'll go down a storm in the UK.
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Yeah - like this country suffers from a terrible lack of patriotism already. Isn't this shit getting just a little boring, narrow-minded, and predictable? Hang on, there's a knock at my door. Yep, the Feds. I downloaded a song the other day, saw a French film, know a guy named Mohammed and then wrote this post. I hear Cuba is fucking hot this time of year.
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Jul 08, 2003 9:30:48 AM CDT
Our country could use a decent patriotic movie like CAPTAIN AMER
by spyguy
Forget Brad Pitt, though -- get an unknown if necessary. I think the perfect film script would be an adaptation of John Ney Rieber and John Cassaday's "The New Deal" storyline where Steve Rogers has a renewed reason to continue as Captain America following the events of 9/11. And just go all out with the patriotic themes and imagery -- Release it on July 4th, have John Williams score the film using historical music and let the Captain America theme be "The Star-Spangled Banner." I can't think of the last film that even tried to be patriotic (INDEPENDENCE DAY, I guess) so what better film for our country to rediscover itself than CAPTAIN AMERICA?
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The reason it won't be made is that Captain America is a terribly dull comic. Always has been, always will be. The fan base that the other comic adaptations have had is too small.
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We can't even find a vial of the fucking common cold, much less a warhead. Then we've got Bush and his cronies telling us that the WMD weren't the reason for going over there. Oh really? Because I remember back when you couldn't shut up about them, how Saddam was going to kill us all any day now. The only thing we've achieved is pissing off everyone in the world, and aiding in the theft of some priceless antiquities. Hurray for us.
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because comic book movies are for retards.
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Jul 08, 2003 9:43:41 AM CDT
C'mon - Bush isn't evil. Most morons are reasonably cheery folk
by weedymcsmokey
But Rumsfeld on the other hand - that guy is Grand Moff Tarkin. "I'm sorry I'm not going to give you that information." Democracy is a catch-phrase to this guy. However, according to my latest data, more than 60% of us are too fat to do antyhing about it.
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Yeah! ... James Marsters would be PERFECT as Tarkin! Prove me wrong, kids! Prove - Me - Wrong! Yeah, 'cause someone mentioned Grand Moff Tarkin somewhere in this talkback ... made me think of it. AFLAC!!!
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You fucking ban crazy hack. The sad thing is how much you suck at it. And no one gives a fuck what you think about Captain America. No one that matters anyway you fat sell out.
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Jul 08, 2003 10:04:57 AM CDT
Well, if SOMEBODY'S got to take over the role from Peter Fonda,
by rev_skarekroe
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Okay...I guess there have been some other patriotic films (Drew Barrymore in her star-spangled pit crew outfit from CHARLIE'S ANGELS, the animated Statue of Liberty from GHOSTBUSTERS II, the final scene in SPIDER-MAN where he swings from the flagpole), but I'd like to see something a little more substantial...All right, SAVING PRIVATE RYAN probably qualifies, but how often do we get a film like that? And for the geniuses who want to bring up PEARL HARBOR, let me state that I'd like to see a WELL-MADE patriotic film...
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Jul 08, 2003 10:16:54 AM CDT
Captain America set in WWII could be great if done right
by lost skeleton
...they can serialize it like they did in Indiana Jones. Also, they should edit it in the "24/Hulk" comic book format. I know the Hulk is failing at the box office, (too bad, it was pretty cool)but the editing style was fresh and kind of fun. I think that would be great for Capt.
I agree with the other talkbackers who claim that a modern day Captain would come off as to goofy. Plus, the rest of the world seems to be obsessed with hating US right now. Geez, a Republican is President and the whole world acts like we are the Nazi's or something. I am not a big fan of Bush either but I do not think he is the Antichrist or anything. He's just a conservative doing what he thinks is right. In five years, he will be outta there (unless the Dems put up another field of idiots like they are in 2004- jesus, when Al Sharpton and Howard Dean are getting votes, you deserve to get your ass kicked in Nov 2004.) -
I dunno, Brad Pitt did a decent acting job in Kalifornia. He can pull off Captain America. David Spade would be better though.
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Jul 08, 2003 10:23:20 AM CDT
Actually, I just thought of it: Woody Harrelson could do this.
by chastain-86
If it weren't for his outspoken pro-marijuana stance, he'd be the perfect Cap. Strong, yet self-effacing, able to play skinny dork and also able to bulk up to play Cap. Plus he'll come cheap.
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Fans of FreeRepublic know what I'm talking about. This thread is polluted with anti-American nuts and their theories. Enjoy!
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I'm digging this one out of my deepest well of childhood memories here, but I remember this title as being a really weird and very dark early Alan Moore title. At the time I thought it was brilliant and totally unique to anything else Marvel at that time had around, in fact I could be wrong but I'm sure he even had the balls to kill him, which was quite disturbing for a pre-pubescent child to have to read....but then agin maybe I'm imagining the whole thing.
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DJ Qualls is the only actor today who has the physique to play captain America. The guy would rule as a super soldier!
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VikingKitty's the type of guy who would have applauded those who folded to McCarthy's witchhunts, creating the blacklist. I guess there's always been people looking to suppress freedom of expression. And for those who think our country allows the MOST freedom of expression, you certainly won't see our corporate controlled networks have the kind of balls the BBC has had against Blair.
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Believe it or not, there have been huge protests going on in America in favor of peace. Short of rioting and overthrowing our government, I'm not exactly sure what you incisive bastards think the American people should have done. Those against the war protested it before and (unnecessarily enough) during the actual campaign (twice at Capitol Hill, not to mention at least once in almost every major city). I suppose we're "doing whatever our government tells us" because we didn't put Bush's head on a pike and blow up the White House, traipsing merrily down Pennsylvania Avenue whilst whistling dixie as the shackles of oppression and EEEEVIL went up in flames. I apologize for this lack of action: you know how fat we Americans are, and golly gee, getting to that there White House is a long trip to make for most people. We probably would have died from overworking ourselves. It must be a million miles from California! Maybe a gaspillion! I never learneded in school, but it seems awfully far! No, better to play it safe and watch Mother (that's what we call TV in America, but you already knew that) and bask in her warm, loving glow. If we needed any exercise, we'd simply drive down to the newsstand on fifth and hassle some dirty A-rab about their turban. We don't bother asking which country they're from. After all, they all look the same to us Americans, just as proper humans look strikingly similar to any dogs who might observe them. If I'm still up to it after giving that A-rab a stern talking to, I'd buy some new trainers made by a woman in Venezuela who gets beaten and paid 27 cents a day. Then I'd piss all over them and throw them in the trash, because get this: I CAN!!!!! Isn't it marvelous how ignorant and evil we Americans are? That's about the only exercise I get, though: no sense in overdoing it. Maybe if Michael Moore's on TV I'll put my foot through the screen, but I could always order another one of those off of ebay or some such. I mean, just looking at those piss yellow shoes in the trash reminds me of how much I hate exercise. If I want to get thin, I'll barf or pay for liposuction, thank you very much! After such a long day, I wouldn't even do so much as lift a pinkie! I'll tell you what, though: that Korean(or is it Chinese? or is it Japanese? Whoops! HAHAHAHA!) guy who lives across the street always looks at me funny while I'm tanning in the front yard and my johnson is flopping all over the place. I hear Asians have little johnsons......what was I talking about? Oh yeah, so anyway, I think he's one of them al-Qaeda members. That's right: I know they're not from the same country, but I wouldn't be one bit surprised if they're in cahoots! I've been spying on him for weeks with stuff that I ordered online, and he's got all this technology in his house. AND he reads too damn much! He's planning something queer, I know it. I'll take that moterfucker out if needs be. I'll invite the fucker into my house and blow him away with my rifle! Come to it, I think I'm gonna do it tonight(then I'll fuck my wife in the ass and have the police come clean up the bloody mess I left on the floor)! But that kind of motivation only arises on rare occassions. Even if we did have the drive to take down our totalitarian regime, you know us Americans. As we do, we'd probably put the explosives together wrong and put a whole in the ground instead, our sewage and filth washing over us until we're consumed. We're just too ignorant to do ANYTHING productive, I tells ya! Someone should save us from ourselves! Preferably a handful of pompous talkbackers from a movie poop chute site. They could fly in as missionaries and start a school or whatever! They could introduce us to newspapers, and the Internet, and the truth, and good wine. It'd be great! Then again, if some foreign prick told me that the good old U.S of A wasn't perfect, I'd probably blow them away with my shotgun. Dirty foreigners trying to disturb my sense of complacency and security, who do they think they are anyway? Concerned citizens? Don't tell me that I'm doing whatever my government tells me to. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna drive home in my SUV, mowing down a few foreign-ish looking types along the way, then I'm gonna go home and let Mother sing me a lullaby about how brave we are. ********************************** Is that what you wanted to hear? Look, most people who are actually concerned with what's going on in the government take some sort of active role in condemning it, but besides for protests and boycotts, there's not much else that can be done. Bush was elected because he was a Republican, and his platform won over a big part of the South. Most people I know actually did vote for Gore, but there was too much nepotism, anti-Semitism, confusion, just plain ignorance to see him into the White House. As for Bush, I think that he's being false and jingoistic and allowing the situation over in Iraq to be mishandled. I also think that he manipulated the country's temperament after 9-11 to wage a campaign against countries that had nothing to do with it. I believe that he knows this and that he did it consciously, but I think he also believes that what he's doing is (for the most part) righteous. He'd be wrong, but that's my take on the situation. He probably, at one point, actually felt that there was a plethora of WMDs in Iraq (and there might be still, but it's doubtful). Obviously, he's got people whispering into his ear and working behind his back, and the ends don't justify the means (hell, the ends don't even justify the ends) but he's not a power-hungry megalomaniac and we're not gonna turn Iraq into Arab Disneyland. He certainly doesn't sleep easy over the casualties from this "war," Iraqi and American alike (though in his case, Americans are probably favored). Besides for that, what can I tell you? America is not perfect. America is far from perfect. But those who recognize this try to make it better. The citizens who didn't want him in the office didn't vote for him. Those against declaring war protested and signed petitions and marched to Washington to try and make our voice heard and prevent it, even after it had already happened, just to inform Bush that we were dissatisfied with the way he was running the country. On the other hand, those who didn't want to be disturbed crushed Dixie Chicks CDs and poured French wine down the toilet. You have to understand, many people have built identities for their lives under the preconceived notion that their country, their home, is as good as it gets. They haven't had much access to exercises in subjectivity as far as America is concerned, and they instinctively are put off by the few they are exposed to. This kind of behavior exists on a continuum. While this may have started out as an anomaly a long time ago, it's been perpetuated by the influence of parents and the burning of books, so to speak. I'm sure there are people of that ilk everywhere, though perhaps not in such high volumes. You can, indeed, attribute that to the media, especially the insipid Fox News Channel. Why the news is so subjective I cannot say; perhaps it's a cyclical thing: the media tries to give biased accounts (under the illusion of this newfangled objectivity) of daily events in order to get ratings, and people want subjectivity because they've grown up with a subjective media. It's hard to imagine that the government has every single news channel in the country in their pocket, though I don't doubt that their presence contributes to what is and what isn't reported in some cases. Those who don't trust the media (and there are many) or those who simply want to get the facts seek alternative sources of news, and the trend will most likely increase now that such information has become so readily accessible. There ARE protests concerning Guantanamo Bay and oil. There IS a Michael Moore docu coming out that will expose fans of his to many things. There ARE still many who are complacent and don't wish to confront their country's shortcomings. All the same, everybody has (or thinks they have) a good beat on things, and aggressively disconcerting statements from other countries seem like affrontery. You can't force some people to care, and I don't believe that was your intention in the first place. You're angry at the way our country's conducting itself internationally. Fair enough. But you basically come on these "American" -themed talkbacks to tell us all how much we suck. Okay, we suck! Fuck us! We're fucking Yank sheep! BAAHHHH!! BAAAAAAHHHH!!!! Oh, man look at the country and all it's people in it!!! Look at how fat and ignorant and stupid they are! Hey, they ALL LOOK ALIKE!! Yup, we do! We're fat and we're lazy and we're insipid and it's OUR fault that everything bad that happens happens!!! Are you fucking happy now?!! You miserable wretch of a human being? Has coming onto this site, and venting your frustrations onto a bunch of Americans by puposely trying to make them feel miserable, and implying they should hate themselves for not hating themselves, and appointing yourself some kind of incendiary who DOES NOTHING INCENDIARY but SULK, has THAT brought some sort of fulfillment to your life? For what it's worth, I certainly hope it has, because all you've said and done here, while eye-opening to some, but intentionally malicious to all, had better be worth something. I harp about that famous line regarding thinking and rearranging your prejudices on almost every one of these posts. I find it very applicable in your case. We, the people, make informed decisions on who we want to run our country. We, the people, cannot control that person. If there are masked intentions that got us into trouble overseas, they sure as hell weren't known to us (or "you") during their presidential campaign. We cannot control the actions of that president (if Congress-sanctioned) once he's elected President. We cannot control the fact that our presidents have made or will make tyrants out of enemies and enemies out of tyrants behind our backs. We, the people, cannot control what the President does while in office. We, the people, cannot control Guantanamo Bay. We try to protest (some of us), we (try to) enlighten, we try to lose weight, we try to do what we think is best, no matter how ignorant and sheltered some of those notions may be. We try. We can't do anything more than that. We DON'T try to screw other countries for the fun of it. We make a decision, and sometimes we make mistakes. And every wee component of we has their own individual voice. Some of them work two jobs a day, some of the cry when they spank their kids, some of them grow up to be veterinarians, some of them go off to join the Peace Corps, some of them are afraid of getting drafted, and some of them hope our country doesn't meet an untimely end before they win over the girl they have a crush on. Few of them are morally depraved. Hopefully, a worthy opponent will, next year, reveal to enough new individuals in this nation that which you already know: this regime is no good. Those who chose Bush made a bad choice. Hopefully they'll choose someone more qualified next year. Until then, I don't know what else you want from us. Maybe you'd like to bomb us all into oblivion, hmm?? Man, talk about depraved.
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Jul 08, 2003 11:52:33 AM CDT
I finally figured out why these boards keep getting bogged down
by jasondkeldar
Anyone here seriously think you can claim Bush was unelected when three of the most liberal newspapers in the world took it on themselves to count the Conentested Florida ballots after the inauguration, with Dem and Rep pollsters and papers looking on?? In a shock to the heart of the Republican onlookers, paranoid becasue of their demonization, the event when off without the shenanigans of the"Let's just have a revote!"-inspired chad-shredding counts by the Democrat-party-controlled election commissions. The Democrats were stunned and quickly dismayed when the controversy boiled down to a total of 80 votes difference from the original returns, since the majority of the balots being counted as readable by the commissions(conveniently boosting Gore's totals) were not so much affected by missing chads as punches in odd places where there were no chads at all. Bush and Gore beofre the election held opposite opinions before the election to the ones their camps put forth following the election. Bush was pro-popular vote and Gore, believing that he would most likely only win in the heavily populated coastal states, plus Illinois, was all for the electoral college. Of course on realizing that the only states he won in were those so heavily democratic that Republicans elected to ANY office is a suprise, then you heard the popular vote argument, which I personally thought Bush was a pansy for touting in the first place. The electoral college was set to prevent this very thing, a massive influx of mystery votes influencing the most important office's election. The states were left to determine their own votin process, and for decades most wrote the legislatures' power in to their Constitutions. This being said, the blogs coming fast and furious denigrating the US' reputation abroad, its President and allies' intelligence or honesty, and the war in general are rather desperate snipes from the peanut gallery. Your views are not popular, nor are they founded in fact as the Vietnam War stories and protests were. Believing the supposition of foreign news agencies that no intact Nukes means no "Weapons of Mass Destruction" is pitiful. Even the UN weapons inspectors admit there were biological research facilities active til Saddam kicked them out of country, and chemical weapoons are everywhere evident in Post-war Iraq, secured by the Army and reported in your papers temselves. Weapons of Mass Destruction is a diplomatic code-phrase encompassing all outlawed weapons of war by internationsl law,, and since America only possesses Nuclear stockpiles, they term all weapons they agreed by treaty to destroy as "weapons of Mass Destruction, and actively oppose proliferation of the weapons other countries outlaw but we possess as the inventors of and never signed away he rights to own, as others did when they entered the UN, but violate even now. Learn your history, guys, and don;t depend on the sites that out Joe Millionaire's fetish vixen as your reliable news agency.
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Poor McCarthy has had his name drug through the mud for years. Thank god Ann Coulter is here to provide information about what really happened. Anyway, I'm all for free speech. It gives me a chance to know who the uninformed, the uneducated, and the just plain stupid really are. In other news, I'm excited about the idea of a Captain America movie.
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Viggo Mortenson
Michael Biehn
Aaron Eckhart.
No offense, but Pitt makes a better fucking Bucky, and he ain't trying to play Cap's bitch.
Seriously, though, the right script could have Cap's idealistic nature in a modern world. Cap in the comics always (well, when written correctly) represented the concept and ideal of America as a Democracy where EVRYONE could come and be free and make something of themselves.(shit, it's why my parents dragged us from Jamaica to here in the 70's)It would be interesting to see the character in a modern setting where the INTERPRETATION (and therefore the interpretation of who Cap is and what he represents) of that ideal is left to question, as it is today. How would he react to the world if he'd been ripped from say, Normandy Beach, frozen in suspended animation, THEN thawed out post-9/11, pre-Iraq attack? Finding out along the way that the Super Soldier program had been pre-tested ala' the Tuskegee experiment, resulting in a Black Cap, that was an urban legend. He goes to find info on this legend as part of getting his shit together after realizing that half the world and a goodly amount of the people he's sworn himself to protect had issues with the colors he fights and would die for. Needs to regroup by looking into the past to see how THIS fucking guy did it, saving people who had issues with colors that could not be removed. Finds out that the Black Cap's had a descendant, who has CAP like strength/agility. And ain't a he, but a SHE. And SHE pushes him to team up w/her and whup ass on whomever the bad guys are in a BIG fuckin' way. At the end, the world as we know it, is still the same, (albeit safer). But there's hope for them to go off into the sunset, vowing to right what's right, kick ass, and get jaded Americans AND the world to believe in themselves and the country's ideals, NOT politics again.
Throw $100 million at it, and I'D go!!!!
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The last full-blown cartoony patriotic movie I saw was, well, 'The Patriot.' It would probably look considerably worse if we released a movie about 'Captain America,' but it will make adequate amounts of money overseas if only because it has an international fanbase. And no, not all of Obscure Reference's accusations are based in fact, although they're pervasive on alternative news sites, so they were worth recognizing.
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Not a bad idea. Of course, it probably won't happen
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Are you really trying to tell me that "Tailgunner Joe" didn't wave his fucking grocery list in front of all those old women proclaiming he had a list of all the commies? Are you really trying to say that he never made speeches about," if there is one communist in the state department, that would be one communist too many". That old drunk whipped this country into a furor of fear to help further his political career. Thousands of lives were ruined thanks to that asshole. When he was cornered in a TV interview he started bouncing off the walls screaming that everyone from the president down was a red. And I wouldn't place all my trust with Ann Coulter, this is the women who denied that there were anti-sodomy laws in Texas.
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Your anti-American rants and raves about the Constitution are falling on deaf ears. That goes for all the other anti-American bashers who use a movie site to spew poltical rhetoric. NewsFlash: Americans don't give a fuck what you think. We don't really give a fuck what anyone thinks. Most Americans couldn't find your country on a map and that is not out of ignorance, there just isn't any need to know. Foreigners spend all their lives scrambling for information on America and we could care less about anyone else. While in college I looked at a copy of the London Times, the lead article on page one was about the upcoming US elections, and they weren't even presidential. The front page?!!
American Life is good. Last time I checked, I had plenty to eat, plenty of fun things to do, and plenty of girls to fuck. Not a bad way of life. The Iraq war didn't matter to me in any way. The only thing that's bugging me about it is that gas prices are still too high. Maybe we are not the greatest country in the history of man, it doesn't matter, life here is too good. So what if I am getting duped and brainwashed by my lying leaders as many of you claim. I was born fat and happy and I'll die fat and happy. -
I once believed all the hype I've heard over the years about what a jerk this guy was, too. And granted, there are probably instances where he went too far. However, history has proven he was correct about a lot of things, but since it's fashionable for everyone to immediately start bashing him at the first mention of his name, no one ever talks about it.
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My first reactions woould be that,
brad would be great for the role...I mean he has alot of time to work out and soforth..2 to 3 years..ya know..
I think positively people..it cant be worse than the all time bad casting role...AH-NOLD as mr freeze..and I will leave it there..frozen..
take care all
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I wish I could think of someone who would make a good Cap, but the closest I can come up with is that guy from "Band of Brothers." I'm sure plenty of people have already mentioned him on this thread.
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Obviously there were shady dealings on each side. The republicans ousted thousands of eligible voters based on a law they decided to broadly interpret, for example, if you had a parking violation or even if your name was similar to a criminals you couldn't exercise your right to vote. Not to mention the very late absentee ballots. And the democrats for their part did all that shit JasondkEldar was talking about. I hate both parties.
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Jul 08, 2003 12:35:22 PM CDT
Well vikingkitty, since you're so much braver than the rest of u
by 007-11
Why don't you blast past the "hype" you were referring to and not be afraid to talk about it like all of us are?
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Jul 08, 2003 12:35:29 PM CDT
JasonEDlak - or whatever, i can't recall - and Make Mine Marvel,
by weedymcsmokey
I think the issue with the election isn't necessarily the votes that counted or spoilt, but the people prevented from voting in the first place. At least on some level, you have to admit that the electoral process in the US has come under some justifiable criticsm in light of the results of the last one. It can be manipulated and generate favorable results depending on the palm one is greasing. Were we speaking about a central American country, you wouldn't bat an eyelash at the thought of a rigged or influenced election - what makes the US so different? Certainly not the presence of unscrupolous power seekers, and certainly not the ablilty to influence results. So what then? In terms of the WMDs - you're right about the definition and the policy - however, would you not agree that there is an inheirent benefit to that law that essentially seemingly legalizes the monopoly of violence by the US and US allies? Would that not extend to the policy making - and the authors of the policy? International law is filled with these potholes and landmines. One of the primary reasons why it carries so little weight and nations continue to ignore it - a 'crime' the US is guilty of as well in accordance with numerous international laws concerning the environment, pork-barrelling, weapon sales, it goes on. It's just a matter of perspective.
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Jul 08, 2003 12:40:42 PM CDT
Bush should stop covering Klinton's ass and let the 911 commissi
by bannthisucommies
Yeah that Bush guy is so dumb he became president. Gee how stupid are you?
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oh, hurray.
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Jul 08, 2003 12:45:29 PM CDT
Frankly, I'd be willing to see an interesting take on the Star S
by mortsleam
Imagine a movie starting out with the gritty you-are-there havoc of World War II, done all Private Ryan Style, with Captain America (and pervy teen sidekick Bucky) running in alongside the troops to take an enemy battalion, face off against an evil NAZI Red Skull, then get stuck in cryogenics til present day. He wakes up to find that, with his help, America won the war and defeated the Nazi's and became along with the USSR one of the two world superpowers. And now that Communism is dead, America is the only true superpower. But now he's in a position to defend a country that is actively despised throughout the world for it's policies. How would he react to knowing that an unelected president has basically installed a fascist regime? Captain America Vs. The Shrub! It'll make a mint.
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http://www.aim.org/publications/aim_report/2003/13.html
I don't like the idea of a Captain America movie set during World War II. Maybe fifteen minutes in World War II before Cap gets frozen - that sounds about right. -
on Ann Coulter! Sorry VK, that freakish skeletor should be instutionalized any day now . . . care to join her in the nuthouse? + Brad Pitt as Capt. America? Don't like Pitt, don't like Capt. America. Hope the hollywood dollars go towards making a better Hulk sequel.
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Jul 08, 2003 12:54:56 PM CDT
McCarthy was often correct--there was communist infiltration goi
by the g-man
McCarthy helped uncover a communist spy ring involving foreign service officer John Stewart Service and Phil Jaffe, the editor of a pro-communist magazine. the John Stewart Service spy ring also involved Laughlin Currie, an adviser to President Franklin Roosevelt, and they succeeded in manipulating U.S. foreign policy to enable the communists to seize China. Other top communists in government included Harry Dexter White at the Department of the Treasury and, of course, Alger Hiss of the State Department, a founder of the U.N. McCarthy discovered Owen Lattimore, a key State Department adviser and communist. McCarthy
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This is my favorite link to address myths about McCarthy, in a handy "40 myths vs. reality" format. http://www.thenewamerican.com/focus/people/vo03no10_mccarthy.htm
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Jul 08, 2003 1:09:32 PM CDT
Now that I have puked up my breakfast (thanks a lot, Harry!) fro
by wardog
I just hope smarter heads prevail and they cast someone like Matthew McConaughey as the Captain. Brad Pitt? Jeezus! Let him finish that debacle Troy first and then we'll see if he wants another major role or will just remain content to make babies with Jennifer for a while.
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The kingdoms of Ancient Greece fighting against the totalitarian rule of the Trojan Empire, in a conflict remarquably similar to World War II, a virtually indestructible warrior single-handedly defeating the enemy troops upon the battlefield... If Brad pulls off Achilles in TROY, then he should be able to play the role of another blond-haired, blue-eyed superhero no problem.
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Does anyone have any info on a possible new Homeword Bound movie
starring : Chance, Sassy, and
Shadow? I've heard many rumors
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Jul 08, 2003 2:19:17 PM CDT
Why do they have to make EVERY comic book ever made into a movie
by merindo
The movies: superman(gone but not forgotten), spidey(the raimi installment, luv U), daredevil (mmmh..no), hulk (yeah, well..ang lee and..green) ...*doh
I'm still traumatized from the witchblade series. I loved the (early) books but they made the love go away.
I don't want that to happen any more.
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I have lot's of love for Bruce Wayne and his alter ego but they just tried to squeeze every nickle out of that poor bat.
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Batman was a horriblr franchise
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to play CAP. He has that all - american attitude And could easily go from looking skinny to very built. Look at rein of fire for size, and U571 shows the ability to have a commanding presence. The entire movie should take place in world war two themed between Saving Private Ryan and Indiana Jones. With the red skull and the Nazi's as the villains. The ending of the movie should be of cap Cap Being Frozen in the ice and sinking. Fade to black.
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Why would Marvel, owner of some of the best titles in comics, make movies based on crap like Capt. America, Daredevil, and Fantastic Four? What's next? Thor? Lets see DC retaliate by making a movie about the wonder twins.
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Scientific tests have shown that they share 97% of DNA with human beings. 97%! That makes them our nearest living relatives after chimps, gibbons and spider-monkeys.
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Jul 08, 2003 3:13:40 PM CDT
Wolverine didn't have to be Buff - Why does Captain America
by demonsdream
People complained about Hugh Jackmen as Wolverine. He proved that by being in decent shape and a great actor that he could pull it off. Brad's a pretty good actor (I'm not sure about great - he's needs more dimention) and he's in great shape (remember the open bedroom door in Fight Club - the boy was ripped) so I think I could accept him as Captain America.
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this is it?....the least you could do is write more reviews and post them under fake aliases like you always do...i mean.. isnt pirates of the caribbean and league of extraordinary gentleman comin out this week...
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Just what we need, another Action Hero movie (sarcasm detector goes "Boo-weeee!!). Well, it might be fun if they do it in a WWII setting (worked for Indiana Jones). Brad Pit...hmmm...dunno about him. I'm thinking Billy Campbell...or BETTER, Bruce Campbell! Oh, Anne Coulter is just a Hillary Clinton (fame/ambition-wise) wannabe. Better looking but a devout right-wing extremist...like we need more of those. She's a Nazi gasbag who'd like to see anyone who ever voted as a Democrat "...put up against a wall and shot!" Kinda like a Rush Lumbaugh that you'd rather poke instead of knocking the shit out of.
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After the X-Men get at least one more movie, and then Spider-Man, the Hulk and Daredevil each get at least two more (rough estimate), they should just do a mass crossover film. It should open with Iron Man coming on the scene where they found a giant ice-block, which when unfrozen emerges as Captain America. Then it should gradually work the other characters in. Then, at the end of the film, it should be all the heroes celebrating at a big party at Tony Stark's mansion. Then they finally leave to go off to fight more crime, when in the empty room the door opens, and slowly in walks... HOWARD THE DUCK! He looks around, and asks "Did I miss the party?" MAKE IT HAPPEN, HOLLYWOOD!
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...or any of the usual stuff you regularly gather to whine about. It's about a damn idea for a movie which some of us wouldn't mind seeing. Harlan Ellison once said the hardest thing he had to learn was that people, when left to their own devices, are basically pigs. I'm sure we've all found this to be true. Whether it's getting rude with someone you don't know on the phone, road rage, or, hey, internet posts, some of us can't resist the basic human urge to be jerks. If we were discussing this face-to-face, I don't think some of you cowboys would be so hard-assed. I don't know who you people are and I'm not sure where some of you are from, and that makes no difference to me. What I do know is even though you smoke dope, even though you have otherwise decent families, even though you may have found some poor, confused hippie chick to give you a little every once in a while, even though you may have found some people (God forbid)who are of like mind, IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU COOL. Go fuck yourselves, you filthy little vermin. The only problem with squashing your asses is that it's too goddam easy. Christ, you're a bunch of yeast-infected twats. Actually, the US is a brutal country, you shitty assholes, chock fulla drunken, vulgar cretins. You pale little idiots crawling about on your island have Led Zeppelin, Monty Python, and precious little else. I wouldn't have much to say if I were you. And to all the other moronic, drug-addled, sissy sons of whores, where do you fuckups get off criticizing any kind of government? It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so goddamned pathetic. Why don't you just hit the pipe and crawl back into your holes, you sweaty, snaggletoothed pissants.
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Brad Pitt was my top choice for Daredevil. Of course, he's most everyone's top choice for just about everything besides Blade and Black Panther, too. After seeing how cut Brad was in "Fight Club" I consistenly told all my friends that I wanted him to play Daredevil, too -- whether they really cared or not. I think Brad as Cap could be kind of cool, especially with the return to the scale-mail armor in the comics. Brad is pretty damned pumped right now for "Troy," and it'd be cool to see him do Cap, too. Brad, if your people are reading this, give Avi a call. What could it hurt? As for getting pre-serum Rogers done, this are movies, kids, they'll work something out. -- SPYder, out.
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Thomas Jefferson was having an ongoing affair during his marriage; as was FDR. Yet does anyone take them to task for it today? No. And we haven't even gotten to JFK, who had shitloads of women while he was in the White House; yet he continues to be lionized, and half the schools and streets in America are named after him. Oh, but Clinton comes along, and suddenly it's "wrong." Can you say "DOUBLE STANDARD?" And don't try to tell me the issue is that he (supposedly) lied about it... when the Genifer Flowers scandal broke before the primaries in 1992, all you right-wing-wack-jobs were running around saying "See that? He's not MORAL enough to be our president!" Yeah, let's just forget about the 206 years which preceeded him, and suddenly change the rules. After all, if Bush Sr. and the rest of the Republican Party had to fight Clinton on - God forbit - ISSUES, Bush's dog wouldn't have voted for him. And Whitewater? Yeah, right. With the money that's already been put into that investigation, they could've found a cure for DEATH... and what have they been able to conclusively pin on the Clintons so far? NOTHING. NADA. SQUAT. JACK. DIDLEY. And you think that that bombing Clinton authorized was a smokescreen? Even if that was the case - and I don't believe it was - that's nothing compared to the Republicans using his adultry and Whitewater as diversionary tactics... they were never interested in justice, only to embarrass Clinton, and get him out of office so they can go back to screwing poor people, minorities and seniors (about which, unlike the Clintons, I think it's been pretty much proven that the Republicans have continually tried to rip off old people). So there's a clue-and-a-half for you, dude.
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Interesting note: just saw this story on Headline News while flipping through the channels and they said Pitt WAS playing Cap. Having worked in TV News for over 9 years, it just reinforces my opinion that newspeople generally take the flashy stories without checking facts as well as they should. You should see how often it happens, you'd be amazed.
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Like it or not, Kennedy and FDR (and pretty much every president before Clinton) was in office before screwing your employees was considered "sexual harassment." Now, when a President (or any other employer) boinks an employee, it is a legal, not simply personal, matter. Clinton's affair became an issue for impeachment when he lied about it under oath. If he had simply said "I refuse to answer" or "Yeah, so what? My wife doesn't care, why should you?" it would have not been a crime (ie, perjury) and he would not have been subject to impeachment. If you don't like it, change the sexual harrassment and/or perjury laws.
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Jul 08, 2003 6:07:58 PM CDT
Paul Walker As Cap, George Clooney As Iron Man, Tim Robbins As R
by barron34
Pitt IS too contemporayr sounding and not authoritative enough, as Harry points out. Pitt is too well known to play Cap, IMO, as viewers will see Brad Pitt up on the screen, rather than Captain America. Cast an unkown, as they did with Chris Reeve in Superman, or someone semi-unknown, like Paul Walker of the Fast and the Furious. Much more can be said about this, but this character deserves the best treatment, and not vanity casting, as per Daredevil. Maybe I'll comment in more detail later, but for now, "Nuff Said. Barron out.
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Jul 08, 2003 6:28:53 PM CDT
McCARTHY DID MORE TO DESTROY AMERICA THAN ANY SO-CALLED "COMMUNI
by eurotrash
McCarthy was nothing more than a power mad, lying, insane alcoholic. Anyone who thinks otherwise must still believe in the Easter Bunny.
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I thought he was a lousy choice then, and all these years later, I still think he was a lousy choice. He looked like he was always ready to kiss someone to death.
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Brad HAS signed on to play Cap....I personally don't think he'd do a good job.
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Come on... he was born to play this character.
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Hey gang, this is just a thought. But when it comes to getting things done in this capitalistic society of ours, it has always been my experience that money talks, and bullshit walks. The corporations thrive on the money (and power) they receive from the populace. Namely, "US". Money is what we must supply them with in order to receive the "services " they provide. Well, doesn't the door swing both ways? Where would most of these corporations be without our support? If we want this website to amend or improve upon the "service" it is delivering, we must give it a good reason too. And in this day and age, money is the only reason they "do" anything. So how bout gang, you up for it? Let us show out "good friend" Harry and the gang at AICN that we don't want much, just a site whose talkbacks arrange themselves in a chronologically pleasing manner. I propose that from july 14th to july 21st we express our disdain for this "minor annoyance" by not "showing up" that week . I know for some of you these gatherings mean the world, but it is this type of desperation that enables them to keep you tow. It is what they depend upon. But I've got a news flash. WE, run this show. WE, keep it going. and WE can end it, anytime time we want.
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1)Intolerance of other people's cultures, and 2)the Dutch
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If they do make a Cap movie, Neal McDonough might be a good choice. He's 6 feet tall and probably as close to a scrawny mesomorph as you're gonna get, so he can emaciate himself before shooting and then take time off to bulk up. He doesn't exactly look like Mom's apple pie, but he's a solid actor and he's the closest to Cap that I can think of. Then again, people should be hired on the virtue of their performances in other movies, a la Dylan Baker for Curt Connors. If Avi or whoever directs this movie sees something in someone else's performance that echoes Captain America's character but doesn't necessarily look the part, I'd still be supportive of the decision. However, McDonough is the only one coming to mind at this point, so until we hear otherwise, my support for him as the frontrunner for Steve Rogers stands. Oneragga's idea, with a little bit of tweaking and a lot of fleshing out, could make a good Cap movie.
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I can't stand making grammatical errors. Grrr!
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Reading people discussing the copyright issues surrounding the Captain America case is distressing. Let me clear up some misconceptions.
First, I'll address Captain_Cody's claim that this case will have far reaching ramifications "in terms of creative copyright ownership" (ie, legal ramifications), it will not. The case is dealing with specific and discrete factual issues that do not transfer easily to other copyright cases. The first issue is the factual circumstances surrounding the creation of the Captain America and whether it was a work created for hire. This is the issue that has not been addressed by the current litigation and one I'll mention in a moment. The issues that were resolved at the end of 2002 are whether Marvel should be granted summary judgment according to "res judicata" due to the litigation and settlement agreement in 1967, and whether the language of the 1976 Copyright revision and the clause that permits authors to terminate prior transfers of copyright created before 1978, -
Jul 09, 2003 1:41:51 AM CDT
It all began when Bush sent Blair flowers and invited him to wat
by chien_sale
That`s how they got to Blair. Suddenly He thought Bush was in love with him. That W is one cunning individual! Seriously it`s Bush Senior that teached W this when he was a teenager:"these pansies falls for it all the time, son. Try it, you`ll have some fun. My friend Charlton used to come up with all these plans to play sweet on the gays at school and then, we would "fucked them up" so to speak, humiliate them beyond belief. God, I love America! Jocks rules!"
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Wait a minute..captain america is kinda lame..I wanna be Batman instead but with Aronofsky directing and Frank Miller with the story...yeah..fuck the Captain!
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It's fully common knowledge that Bush stole the election. Even before there was a recount, and even before the supreme court (lead by republicans) placed Bush as the winner... Bush and co. were already moving their stuff into the White house, hurridly ushering out all of Clintons people. (They removed all the W from the keyboards as a joke on them - now that's funny!) further more, stop your ranting. the whole world, if they weren't onto you before, are definately onto you now. Bush had no right dropping bombs on Iraq. no right what so ever. The same can be said for Afganistan. 100's of thousands of innocent people have died, and for what? Revenge of 3000 American deaths. Right now Bush has sent more American soldiers to their deaths than the whole tally of 911. I wish you drop kicks would stop defending the outragous actions of your government. Also, after reading up on American history, with bombing civilians and wiping out countries, is it any wonder that North Korea is a little nervous of you guys, hence the rush to build bombs should you guys come back to them. And Truely, with all the stuff that Bush was doing before he really became a tyrant (ie pre 911) the man was secretly pissing into everyones pools - threatening China, provoking europe - oww yeah they were. Is it any wonder that someone took a couple planes and tried to knock out the nerve centre of America? but then again, Considering the first attempt to bring down the Towers by Bush sr. back in the early 90's didn't quite go as planned, it's suspect that the towers come down when his son is in office. I know I know, conspiracy theory, running rampant, i smoke to much drugs, every ones is out to get me... but consider all christmas's coming at once for Bush when those towers fell.
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Jul 09, 2003 4:02:42 AM CDT
Hey, don't make generalisations about a country you've never bee
by earthworm
...that's what people do in Russia...
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Jul 09, 2003 6:16:43 AM CDT
Once again a movie discussion goes beserk, but here's the bottom
by commando cody
The rest of you nitwit geographical spots occupying some spot on the globe make acceptable neighbors, some moreso than others, but the bottom line is that the USA is IT. We're the top dog, so you can all suck our dick and learn to deal with it. We're the best at...well, quite frankly, EVERYTHING. In the immortal words of Mel Brooks, "Ah, it's good to be the King..."
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I'm sorry, but go watch BAND OF BROTHERS (again, if you have already). Lt. Buck Compton fucking IS Captain America. Just look at the guy! (for those without access to Band of Brothers, he's also the blonde cop in Minority Report).
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Jul 09, 2003 12:40:24 PM CDT
Funny that people have been killing and dying over a 2000+ year
by chastain-86
...but I've never once called a British man a "dirty Redcoat." Although I think I might start. Today.
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does anyone out there have any info on a 3rd sequel to Homeword Bound starring Chance,Sassy &
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I love the way anyone who disagrees with Israel's brutal occupation of Palestine is anti-semetic. I also enjoy the stupid americans who gloat about how great their country is when they have more than likely done nothing to contribute to its "greatness". More realistically they should consider themselves lucky to have been born in such a stable and wealthy country.
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Jul 09, 2003 3:28:10 PM CDT
Ribbons, your extended diatribe was the most beautifully crafted
by snookeroo
Excellent, dude. Excellent. I'm hanging that one on the wall. Seriously.
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Especially the last bit.
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The version of Cap mentioned in the "news article" that cited Pitt as being cast, also mentioned that the version of Cap would be the one from ULTIMATES. That wouldnt be a bad way to go. Sure Cap is a man living in times not his own so he has old fashioned values etc...but that plays out mostly in his personal life (he still has old 45s instead of CDs and is a bit trusting) and his interaction with his peers (he kicks the shit out of Hank Pym for raising a hand at his wife) but ruthlessly kicks the enemy's ass (or in Hulk's case BALLS) when its time for battle.
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Jul 09, 2003 8:39:06 PM CDT
you know, if you're going to dispell a rumour, maybe it's not th
by bearison ford
I've already seen 3 news sites pick up on "news" that Pitt has actually signed to do it, which is obviously not the case. Nice job editorial staff.
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Hahaha. I made a funny. I think a Cap movie could work, especially if they follow either the kick-ass template from The Ultimates, or the doubtful, more cautious approach favoured by the Cap comic at the moment. I'm not really big on flag-waving films - whatever the country, but it could work if handled right. As Bill Hicks said: "I hate patriotism. It was all round the world last time I checked."
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Jul 10, 2003 12:20:17 AM CDT
I'd be okay with Brad Pitt (as Captain America) if only he'd imp
by jdanielp
C'mon, Brad Pitt. Don't let the "suit" or the "computer/visual effects" do ALL the work for you. Earn it ... work for it ... and deserve a place in superhero movie history. People respect an actor who will transform his (or her) body for a role ... especially when it demands so much work and effort. Remember the awe and respect for Linda Hamilton? -- Wow, if only Catherine Zeta-Douglas would work out like that for the Wonder Woman role. -- And hey, Harry! I ALSO want to know the latest on James Cameron's "ALIEN 5" project. "ALIENS" is my favorite ALIEN flick ... AND my favorite Cameron flick ... AND one of my favorite flicks OF ALL TIME. And Cameron has LONG been my favorite movie director ... so please keep the Cameron information coming. Please!!! (He's such a great fantasy film director ... that we should get a CONSTANT stream of info. -- THANKS!)
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Jul 10, 2003 1:20:49 AM CDT
James Cameron may yet write AND direct "ALIEN 5" with Sigourney
by jdanielp
Yeah, maybe I am getting my hopes up. But I did some research and who knows? -- James Cameron himself mentioned these possibilities. -- I'd just love to see Arnold written in as a tough, mean ol' bastard ... military or whatever, in "ALIEN 5". But I'd also love to see him and Sigourney NOT get along (in the film), constantly at odds with one another, ... Arnold always calling her some form of "bitch" (with an adjective) ... like "stupid bitch" or "crazy bitch", whatever. And to see Arnold prove the great old action king he is (and once was) by allowing Sigourney to win in James Cameron style, in the end (as this IS her series, after all), saving Arnold's life. Lots of coolness with these possibilities. -- Oh, and ... yeah, ... the foreign grosses for "Captain America" could be quite small.
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As a British citizen I used to hate Bush but a couple of weeks ago there was this documentary on British TV. It was about this female journalist (forgotten her name) who was follwing Bush around on his presedential campaign. Instead of coming across as the anti-christ, Bush came across as a really likeable guy who was always having a laugh and a joke. Check out the doc if you can, it will really change your mind about Bush
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superhero's that work for the govt are the worst. that's why captain america or wonder woman would suck. i mean ww works for the f*cking CIA!
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1. No one "stole" the 2000 election. Forgiving the massive amount of vote fraud on both sides (mostly Democrat, sad to say), the Supreme Court simply interpreted the law as is, just as they are supposed to do (unlike the Florida Supreme Court, who ignored election laws to allow more vote recounts and thus more of an opportunity to skew the election results). 2. What the hell wrong did we do in Iraq? For all of you who seem to think that we committed some massive violation of human rights when we took that lunatic out, where were you when Saddam was torturing and gassing his own people while hiring interior decorators for his "rape rooms"? 3. Saddam DID HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, AND HE USED THEM. He never accounted for those that were missing, and we've only been looking for a few friggin' months! 4. What has this administration done to violate the rights of anyone in this country? God forbid we investigate people that are trying to kill America citizens or toss out terrorists who are here illegally anyway! 5. If you think that we're living in a police state/facist society since 9/11, you're an idiot and have no idea what real oppression is. 6. Many of the problems we're facing now wouldn't have happened without the massive intelligence failures of the previous administration (By the way, getting a hummer from a fat intern isn't illegal...lying about it under oath to protect your own hide is. 7. McCarthy was right after all, no matter what your hysterical college professors and heavily edited PBS specials tell you. Now shut up and enjoy your freedom.
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