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TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES review

TERMINATOR 3 is a damn good film, borders on being something better than that and depending on how it holds up on multiple viewings and what they do with the ends they leave, if they do anything of all… it might become great.

It might have been my marginal expectations, my memories of walking into 3rd chapters of series like RETURN OF THE JEDI, SEARCH FOR SPOCK, THE CREATURE WALKS AMONG US, ALIEN 3, GODFATHER 3, LETHAL WEAPON 3, RAMBO 3 and BEVERLY HILLS COP 3… Those experiences can only be explained by the look on Stephen Rea’s face in THE CRYING GAME, when he too didn’t get what he expected.

In recent memory, only ROCKY III achieved debatable greatness, debatable… because some feel it is a cartoon… For me, Goddamn, I saw that film 20 times on first run in the theaters. EYE OF THE TIGER became an anthem and Mr. T became a nightmare ID monster. The death of Mickey, the transformation of the Apollo / Rocky dynamic and the fights… The fights became things of superhuman glory. Ok, must stop writing about ROCKY III, cuz I could talk about it for about 3000 words. With the exception of TARZAN ESCAPES, THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY and SON OF FRANKENSTEIN, it’s my favorite third film in a trilogy.

The production of TERMINATOR 3 has been filled with word of disaster, premonitions of doom, feelings of dread. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a film of this size have more negativity coming to me from sources within the Distribution company declaring the film to be beyond terrible… only to see a complete reversal from advance reviews. That just doesn’t happen. I’ve had sources inside studios say a movie is golden, and have it be a dud, but never masses of negativity, followed by cheering adoring reviews. Turns out the word was coming out of frustration due to being kept out of the loop. It seems impossible to imagine, but T3 is essentially a gigantic independent film. Almost all the financing from overseas. And Mostow had complete control and didn’t cherish showing everybody what he was up to. He had secrets he wanted preserved. Damn good ones. Ones you should be worried about having spoiled for you, so if I may… I suggest steering clear of reviews, talkbacks and chat rooms till you see the film for yourself. You don’t want the secrets spoiled.

Suffice to say, this film has the balls that none of the other big summer films have had in years, if ever.

How does it compare with the first two TERMINATOR films… I’ll do a quick breakdown for you folks.

1. Action -- On par, if not better. There has never been a Terminator film on this sort of scale. The action is hugely entertaining.

2. Characters -- Fully in third place. There are no characters on par with the work of Linda Hamilton or the coming of age of Edward Furlong or the determined sadness of Michael Biehn. Claire Danes is the best here, but her character just isn’t as strong as those others. Nick Stahl is complicated, but ultimately not as interesting… the great transformation was 10 more minutes of film away. I wanted to see those 10 minutes, unfortunately, we don’t get that.

3. Score – Greatest complaint. I’m not a Marco Beltrami fan. I’m not sure if Brad Fiedel didn’t do this out of fealty to Cameron, or if Mostow just prefers Beltrami, but not having him score, would be like not having Arnold in the film. I have always felt that Fiedel and Linda Hamilton were the soul of this series. Marco does what he does best, he creates a score that seems to not exist, a completely unobtrusive score that doesn’t weigh on the film… however, I could feel Fiedel missing.

4. Cinematography – Very nice, but the texture, framing and lighting of TERMINATOR 2 is a modern marvel. This has the look of a modern Action film, far less painterly. Far less classic. Far less beautiful. T2 was shot with an artist’s eye. T3 is shot aggressively as if the next shot was always more important than the one we were currently looking at.

5. Visual Effects – There’s a great deal of invisible perfect FX work in this film. Brutally realized and just an absolute delight to behold. There are sequences that you’ll just begin to nervously giggle by their intensity. Well, that’s how I manifested it, you might rip the arm off your seat, bruise the bicep of the fella next to ya or drop a load in your drawers… I don’t know, but if you can watch the chase scene in this…. Or the T-101 vs T-X fight in the johns and then think for a half a second that there is a chase scene or fight scene in MATRIX RELOADED worthy of even being a pimple on the ass of these… Then by golly, happy living on the funny farm. Just jaw droppingly wonderful.

6. Story -- Far better than I was expecting. Much better than the script I had read. Does it work within the existing Terminator storylines? Well, if you subscribe to the “butterfly effect” concept of time travel alteration as it is tied to a pre-ordained destiny… Yes. There is a fatalistic eventuality here that I love. When you think about “NO FATE BUT WHAT WE MAKE FOR OURSELVES” that was first put forth by John Connor to Kyle Reese to tell Sarah Connor in the first film, you have to realize… that isn’t a hard-lined fact of time travel reality… that is essentially the hope of the future. That we can alter the despair of the future by the choices we make today. John Connor believes “NO FATE BUT WHAT WE MAKE,” because… well that’s what the machines believe… that is why they sent the Terminators back to kill him, why they built a time machine… It was all done with the idea of changing the future. HOWEVER, the big question that we have always had about TIME TRAVEL is “Can You Change The Future or is it Set?” Ultimately, this is the big theme of this film. That’s a great theme to have, one that the first two TERMINATOR films were always avoiding, yet… think about it. The machines were never able to kill Connor (Sarah or John) – meaning, they were never able to really change that future eventuality that he would knock off SKYNET and lead the human revolt… Against all odds, he always survived. The Story of T3 is absolutely one that is worthy of being told.

OK – Now to get into more specific issues with the film.

John Connor as played by Nick Stahl

Remember how Sarah Connor was a complete and total wimp in the first TERMINATOR and came out to be a hardlined asskicker in T2? Remember in T2, how John Connor was a namby pamby brat boy that was touchy feely and didn’t want the Terminator killing people? Well, what’s happened to John Connor in the 12 years since we last saw him?

First, the date he’s known as Judgment Day, the day the machines took over and the bombs fell out of the sky and the human race was nearly eradicated. That day that he’s been raised his entire life being told was coming at this time on this day… That underlying feeling of doom he had as he looked at every mall, every city he ever lived in. That feeling that made him believe the world he lived in was an eventual crematorium. That day came and went without so much as a firecracker going off.

What do you do next?

So does this mean it isn’t going to happen? Does it mean he isn’t going to be a “great military leader”? That suddenly his life is like every body else’s? OR – could the machines have sent another Terminator to kill him, and that while he stopped Judgment Day from happening, the machines would have sent another back to get him, before that big time wave of change swept the nightmare away? So he lives with no connections, no bank statements, living odd jobs here and there. He can’t confide in anyone anymore, how would they believe some kid? He has no proof, there is no proof. It didn’t happen. With his mother dead, he has no support system. It is now 6 years past August 29th, 1997… the day 3 billion human lives were snuffed out. He’s fallen into a pattern, not unlike a lot of Vietnam Vets that didn’t want to remember what they went through… what they saw. He’s taken up drinking. He doesn’t form friendships, can’t risk anyone getting close to him.

Then, one night he crashes his bike to avoid hitting a deer on a road out in the middle of nowhere. He breaks into an animal clinic for some pain killers and suddenly… Suddenly, it is all back on.

Nick Stahl plays John Connor as a burnt out man that had given up on who he was supposed to be. Everything he ever believed in didn’t happen. He’s a burnt out early twenties alcoholic… he’s not the future of humanity. Who would follow him? THEN BAM! Here it is… Destiny… Your future coming to put you back on track, finding you and saying… Here it comes John, and the entire time he believes he can avoid it. He doesn’t want it. His only thought through this film is to stop Judgment Day, not survive it. He doesn’t want to be that Leader, if he’s that leader, that means 3 BILLION HUMANS ARE DEAD. He doesn’t want to lead a boy scout troop much less the surviving remnants of mankind.

For John Connor, Judgment Day can be stopped. The future can be changed. He’s done it before, he can do it again. Give the world back it’s rainbows and happy moments. Give it its forests and parks and future. But is that what John Connor can do? Can John Connor save the future or just lead it? And if he’s supposed to lead it, how the hell is he gonna do that?

That’s what I love about this movie. You find out. I just wish, that we had 10 more minutes of the film, picking up exactly where we were… I wanted to hear and see what happened in those next 10 minutes with John Connor. Those 10 minutes, that next 3 hours, 2 weeks, 10 years… This is where he finds his destiny. Where eventuality comes for him.

How are the Terminators in this film? They’re fine. Arnie is perfect, as great as he’s always been in this role. In fact he’s so damn perfect for this film that as you watch it, its like a big removal of all the shit he’s been stuck in for the past several years. I suppose it is odd that a man be born to play a machine… I suppose you’d have to ask Brent Spiner what he thinks of that, but Arnold’s TERMINATOR is as iconic as any role that any actor has ever played. Just one of those things that was simply meant to be. Honestly, I can’t say enough times how great it is seeing him in this movie. I swear to god, if Harrison Ford can step into Indiana Jones’ boots and be as perfect as Arnie is here… the feeling of good will that’ll spill out of me in the theater will just be tremendous. Same with Stallone. There’s something about those 80’s guys that makes me just root for them and cheer when they get it right. When you see Arnold arrive in his Time sphere thing… and you see that 1980’s Arnold physique stand up… It is as if for just that moment, if you can imagine… nothing has changed in twenty years. Everything is as it was. And as it should be. As for Terminator Barbie… She’s nothing but bad. Bad News, Bad Ass and Bad for the entire human race. Oh and she’s real easy on the eyes.

This TERMINATOR film is lean, too lean. It needed to be fleshed out a bit here and there. My wanting that extra 10 minutes, I really want that sequence. Earlier in the film, I really want more character development between John and Kate Brewster – or between Kate and her father.

The film works so much better than I was expecting, but I still wanted more. That’s probably a good thing. If you think about how the film ends, there’s a certain beauty to it, to the conversations you can have, to what it all means, to what John has to do next.

I had one friend that loves the first two Terminator films just hate John Connor and this story. He hated the dialogue, who John Connor had become since the last film. Why couldn’t he just accept his destiny, why is he fighting it? Why is he such a coward about it all?

For me, it is as clear as anything would ever be. At one point in the back of the truck as John and Kate are talking, and she doesn’t understand anything that is going on. He tells her to imagine that you know you have this destiny, this great thing you’re supposed to do, maybe the greatest thing that anyone anywhere has ever done, only the worst thing ever has to happen first… She doesn’t understand at the time what he’s talking about, but we do. At this point, he’s a Junior High School drop out. He doesn’t know history, military theory… He knows how to field strip a weapon, how to do everything in the Anarchist Cookbook… but he hasn’t been able to go to schools and get the information he is supposed to have. Not yet anyways.

I think some people are going to dismiss this film as being just a stupid action science fiction film with amazing set pieces. Actually, I believe it is damn smart. Really damn smart. Maybe at some future point I’ll go into everything I believe is about to happen, it’s all speculation of course… actually, it isn’t. Given where John is at the end of this film. It makes perfect sense. What is where he is? Who was supposed to be there? What is happening? It is beautifully horrible. And I like it. I like it a whole lot.

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  • July 1, 2003, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Just what the terminator fans were hoping for.

    by WiseguyAICN

    If I didnt have to register I would've been first. A good sci-fi/action film. It's good to see the underdog performing well. 12 years of waiting looks to have been worth it. Thanks for the message to the terminator fans Harry.

  • July 1, 2003, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Wihoo im firtst!

    by Ogami@aintitcool

    Well this sounds pretty good. at least the first half of harrys review, didnt wanna spoil the rest.

  • July 1, 2003, 4:22 p.m. CST

    A pimple on the ass of the Matrix?

    by Beatrice_Kidd

    Dream on Harry. It's those fucking warewolves and vampires, isn't it?

  • July 1, 2003, 4:22 p.m. CST

    chill out...

    by Major Nougat

    ...dickwad

  • July 1, 2003, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Saw it last night...

    by AsgardTex

    ...at a sneak preview. I went in with low expectations, buy hey, it was free. It ended up really entertaining me and is one of the better movies this summer. Most of the crowd stood up and cheered for Arnie & Co. after it was over. Give this movie a chance and I think you'll be surprised. It's certainly not Cameron's Terminator, but that's not necessarily bad, just different. I just might go see this again just to have a chance to pay for it. It's that good. Plus, if this does well, we're that much closer to seeing King Conan!

  • July 1, 2003, 4:31 p.m. CST

    #43232313214

    by fullmetalracket

    Ya bhoy!!

  • Come on. The other two movies are set up perfectly, no fate but that which we make for ourselves, for the first two movies to just be so entirely set in that belief, we get this third one that completly does away with it? bullshit. it's too radical, and arnold does have the same body, but look at his face and neck, they look older... i mean shit, the guy could still kick my ass around the blok, but his face looks older, you can't fight that with a face lift or plastic surgery, you'll never look the same as when you were 30. so it just isn't the same, and a woman terminator is just lame if you want my honest opinion, even if she is stronger then him in the movie like machine wise, to see a tiny woman like that throwing around arnold is just stupid... i wanna like this movie but everything i hear about it makes me wanna ignore it's existence

  • July 1, 2003, 4:43 p.m. CST

    is the future set

    by Big_Kahuna

    ok, the whole theme of the first two films is that we make our own future and there is no such thing as fate...so if what harry says is true, that the theme is that the future is never set, then the writers of this film just totally disregarded everything cameron created. seriously harry, he never skirted round the issue of whether the future was set or not, he made it pretty fuckin clear that there is no future for us, thats what both movies hinge on and thats what the ending of t2 is all about. besides, the point is not that conner has to become the saviour, it's that theres NOTHING to save humans from, cos all the technology and terminators were destroyed in t2, making it impossible for anyone to create terminators in the future. this review has npt changed my opinion of the film in any way and i still dont wanna see it. fuck this.

  • July 1, 2003, 4:46 p.m. CST

    never posted before but this review is crap

    by primes0

    I've never posted before but this review is such crap i felt a need. If you want to read a real critique of this movie read the new york times review or roger eberts. The both articulate the point that this movie is basiclly a very good generic b action movie and not a real heir to t1 and t2.

  • July 1, 2003, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Does Arnold fight terrorists in hot air balloons?

    by GypsyTRobot

    First posters suck, especially when they screw up the TB.

  • July 1, 2003, 4:49 p.m. CST

    wrapping up T2

    by lush

    My least favorite episodes from the Star Trek series are the time travel ones, the stories become too contingent on time paradoxes and "butterfly" theories. The story structure and thus the drama become the targets of far too many conciets for the viewer to really care anymore. The first two terminator movies work the time travel thing in a very straight forward manner allowing the audience to concentrate on the rest of the story and characters without being confused with a bunch of half assed and *incorrect* time travel theory. It seems as if this third installment only works on the shady time travel "theory" theme. That there is even a third terminator film is the proof in the pudding on that one. I guarantee this film to be poorly written, acted, and above all very convoluted. Plus, that terminatrix won't be naked when she arrives, she's just a big cocktease.

  • July 1, 2003, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Can't we have a TB where the horizontal scroll does not go mad o

    by matrix_sux

    Is it too much to ask?

  • July 1, 2003, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Saw it last night too

    by sockfire

    I agree with Harry. This is a solid sequel. I hope they can figure out a way to make T4.

  • July 1, 2003, 5:01 p.m. CST

    "Eye of the Tiger"? Great third movies? "SINBAD AND THE EYE OF T

    by Trav McGee

    Now that's synergy, baby! ...Good to hear there's a movie to see this weekend. The A/C's been acting hinky.

  • July 1, 2003, 5:11 p.m. CST

    ObscureReference....

    by Sergio Kidmark

    You are on the fucking money my friend. Well spoken. I couldn't agree more. Harry, your constant, juvenile digs at Reloaded are becoming increasingly inane and spiteful as time goes by. Its fucking embarassing mate. The fact that we never got a Talkback to discuss the film is equally childish. The chase in T3 doesn't sniff at the ball-bag of the freeway chase in Reloaded. That is not a matter of opinion. You, along with everyone else who came out of the film unable to comprehend the fucking masterpiece they just watched are simply bitter people. Hey, I understand. I'd be well fucked-off if I waited 3 years for a Matrix sequel only to be disappointed. Fortunately I'm one of the 60% or so who did get it. I loved every wonderful frame of the thing. Give it a rest. You didn't like Reloaded. Get over it. Stop mentioning it every chance you get. Its pathetic. For the love of sweet gentle Jesus you liked The Phantom Man-Ass, Ass-sack of the Clones, Godzilla and Armageddon.

  • July 1, 2003, 5:21 p.m. CST

    T4 in the Cards?

    by Karl Childers

    I think it's time to retire Ahhh-nuld as a cyborg, though. He's looking kinda grizzled lately. Bring back Kyle Reese for 4 and make a kick-ass movie again. If you're going to use Ahhh-nuld again, bring him back to his roots as the bad-guy-pull an "Agent Smith" and have wall-to-wall Ahhh-nulds chasing Kyle and an adult John Connor around in the future. Bring back the REAL one-liners like "Fahk you, Ahhss-hole!" from the original. Don't make Ahhh-nuld the comic-relief of these films anymore.

  • July 1, 2003, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Don't you see John Conner is a paradox...

    by God_O_Thunder

    Skynet must rise and Terminators must wipe out most of humanity. If these events don't happen then there is no Reese for John to send back in time to father him. No Reese = no John. If they really had wiped out Skynet at the end of T2 John, the T-800 and all of Sarah's memories of Reese and knowledge of the future would have been erased. The events leading to the future may unfold differently but the future is unchanged.

  • July 1, 2003, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Great Review!!!

    by TheSith

    Oh and prime0: hollywood report card foxs.news msn.com cnn.com chicago sun times varigate.com scott mantz movie review abc-tv ign.com upn.tv filmcritics.com comingsoon.net filmsinreview.com JoBlo chud.com James Berardinelli Richard Roeper all say this film T3 is amazing, so shut up!

  • July 1, 2003, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Toby - check me out biatch

    by turbonerd

    Harry you're a fucking disgusting fat peice of shit..... and when you write about your day leading up to viewing a film no one cares. If you're gonna waste our time with the beat by beat of your life why not include all the snacking you do - you filthy animal! At least thats entertaining.

  • July 1, 2003, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Saw it the other night.

    by Uncapie

    Pretty good film.

  • July 1, 2003, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Terminator 4: Zimmerframe!!!

    by KID AB

    'Ow,My Bahhck!!1'

  • July 1, 2003, 5:45 p.m. CST

    HAHA! I made Harry so mad he banned me and erased all my posts!

    by IndustryKiller

    I am Harry Knowles. I am the most passionate person ever. I can relate to any character in any movie ever no matter how asinine or stupid the characters feelings might be. I will prove this by intracately describing what is in the head of the character in every movie review I write. In this case I will find some way to relate to John Connor no matter how poorly written or acted the character is. This will allow me to love the movie.....yes even if it sucks. Now pay me Warner Bros. or whoever the fuck made this film.

  • July 1, 2003, 5:51 p.m. CST

    dum dum, dum, da dum. dum dum, dum, da dum...DUM DUM, DUM, DA D

    by T-MACK 1.01

    Personally, Ed Furlong can rot in his own crystal meth. T2 was his best film and he fucks it up by fucking Courtney Love.

  • July 1, 2003, 5:53 p.m. CST

    It's a b movie

    by AlwaysThere

    I thought that I saw this on Cinemax last week.

  • July 1, 2003, 5:54 p.m. CST

    MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3,

    by Magnus_Steele

    MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3, MUST SEE T3... only 15 more days to go. BTW Harry, that was a truely excellent review!

  • July 1, 2003, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Why is everything a "raging ID monster" these days?

    by Pulzar711

    Does someone at this site have issues, perchance?

  • July 1, 2003, 5:55 p.m. CST

    What about The Land Before Time 3: Milkin' It Dry, Smoky and the

    by Big Bad Clone

    Jedi rocks! Actually was on the fence about seeing T3. After, I see 28 Days Later, I may go see this flick this weekend.

  • July 1, 2003, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Superman 3, Revenge Of The Nerds 3,Smokey & The Bandit 3.....

    by Doom II

    were all BRILLIANT 3rd installments! I do not understand what Harry is talking about! 3 is the magic number! Ok, I am being a smart ass, but I will admit to liking Halloween 3. Try pitching THAT film to the PC crowd nowdays: "I have a great idea for a horror film. An evil warlock wants to kill off millions of children on Halloween night with the help of Stonehenge and some masks with hidden microchips! A 12 years old boy's parents watch in horror as his head collapses and snakes, beetles and millipedes crawl out. How's that idea sound?"

  • July 1, 2003, 6:01 p.m. CST

    "The chase scene in T3 far outdoes that gawdawful one in the Gaw

    by user id indeed!

    "If you think otherwise, well, then, you are insane! Have fun on the funny farm! Ha ha ha! That was a good one, self... ha...heh... what... what is that chittering? That horrible, unending chittering?!?... IT... IT'S THE SQUIRRELS!!! IT'S THE SQUIRRELS AGAIN!!!! AIIIEEEEE!!! THEY... THEY'RE CLAWING THROUGH MY WINDOWS!! THEY WANT MY BRAIN!!! ONLY I HOLD THE KEY TO SQUIRRELMAGEDDON!!! OH NOOOO!!!! (Harry runs down the hallway) DREW!!! DREW, IT'S THE SQUIRRELS AGAIN!!! SAVE ME WITH YOUR SMARTINESS!!!" "Now calm down there, Harry. Take a deep breath and tell me what happened." "GASP.... GASP.... okay, I was just telling everyone about how much better the chase scene in T3 was then the one in Matrix Reloaded..." "Oh, you mean the one that was fifteen minutes long, took two years to complete, displayed the most impossible and eye-dropping visuals in God only knows how long, showcased unbelievable stuntwork, and will set the bar for years to come?" "....Right. Well, anyway, as soon as I typed that, I told all the people who thought the chase in Reloaded was better that they were insane, and it was really funny and clever, and then, out of nowhere, THE SQUIRRELS CAME!!!" "Oh no! They came back?" "Yes! They want the Tesla Death Ray I built out of gum wrappers and they've fashioned tiny jetpacks out of acorns!" "Those bastards! I can't help defend you, Harry, since you seem to be the only one who can see them, but I'll register my disgust the only way I know how! (moments later, typing away busily...) Shame on you. All of you. Well, not all of you, of course, because some of you know that a squirrel's role in life is to gather nuts and hibernate... but then there are those of you who refuse to leave my friend Harry alone. Why, I was just saying to my attractive girlfriend the other night, just after I saw my good friend Avi Arad, 'How can I continue writing this lucrative franchise sequel for this big-time Hollywood studio when Harry is so tortured by these invisible super-squirrels?' So again, I say to you.... shame on you. Leave my clearly sane friend alone."

  • July 1, 2003, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Bruise the bicep of the fella next to ya

    by Mr. Profit

    Rough sex in movie theaters is bad for you Harry. Review was almost good until you go shit on Reloaded again. Get a grip, you could never write or direct anything half as good as Reloaded.

  • ...and the ol' track record leaves a bit to be desired. I'm gonna go ahead and hold off until I get Mori's take. So what of it Mori? You see this yet? M

  • July 1, 2003, 6:09 p.m. CST

    "its like a big removal of all the shit he

    by cockknocker

    HARRY???WTF????? This from they guy that gave every Arnold movie since batman and robin very good reviews!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 1, 2003, 6:10 p.m. CST

    The world needs another Smokey and The Bandit movie

    by DARTH VOODOO

    Speaking of Smokey and the Bandit when are they get Burt Reynolds to do Smokey and The Bandit 4? I'd go see it. I'd bet it would be 10 times better than those piece of shit fast and furious movies.

  • July 1, 2003, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Which is worse; lame ass first posters or FUCKING ANNOYING MORON

    by IAmJacksUserID

    That's your cue, huh? I have one for you. I call it a one finger wave.

  • July 1, 2003, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Threequels

    by Wormie

    Harry is talking arse about "threequels". Jedi and Star Trek III are great. What about The Last Crusade, Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, Goldfinger, etc., etc? Everyone knows it's the part fours that suck: Supes IV, Batman & Robin, Alien Resurrection. And, hey, Rocky III was shit. The first two Rockys were good, but after that it just became a franchise that never should have been. Uh, what the fuck has Rocky III got to do with T3 anyway?

  • July 1, 2003, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Return of the Jedi is better than any of the LOTR or Matrix film

    by DARTH VOODOO

    ROTJ get's shit on more than it deserves to be. Yes it's true the Ewoks almost fucked the entire film up. But the film does have some greatness in it. And it is much better than those piece of shit prequels Lucas has turned out. As a matter of fact it is better than any of the Matrix or LOTR films.

  • July 1, 2003, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Solid

    by ManosTHOF

    And a lot of fun. Worth the price of admission. Only complaint, it seemed a little short, I hope there may be a little more exposition on the DVD, it seems like it was edited to move at a fairly brisk pace (which isn't bad, just that DVD is a different animal and if there's some more character driven stuff on the cutting room floor I hope they put it in the DVD) Very good film.

  • July 1, 2003, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Nightmare ID Monster? Whoa there!

    by Ribbons

    Since when did talkbackers have anything to do with Mr.T? Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week.

  • July 1, 2003, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Great review and very true.

    by bastard_guy180

    Saw this movie last night and BOY AM I HAPPY. I'm not a fan boy in fact ive only ever seen the terminator movies about 5 times in total. This is the definitive 3rd film. It exists solely because there is a story that must be told. First off the reason the movie works is becaause it combines the heartless killings and maniacle chases of the first film with all the action (Mind blowing, better action) of the second. As a baddy Terminatrix blows the baddy from T2 out of the water and gives Arnold a run for his money in the first film. This chick is a fuckin bad ass and probably the highlight of this movie. The point is nothing will change what james cameron did, but fuck, this makes EVERYTHING come full circle so embrace it, embrace the series, embrace 3 movies that pose questions and themes and dare to be more than blow em' up straight edge action that in the end cause headaches and take themselves far to seriously.

  • July 1, 2003, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Another thing...

    by bastard_guy180

    I just wanna say, this movie makes Terminator 2 all the more plausible, because if this hadn't been made *possible spoiler* Terminator 2 still wouldn't make sense... look, if they REALLY prevented judgement day in T2, John Connor should have evaporated or just been erased as would the terminator as would everything before the original... It was a HUGE paradox up until this one... Thank you Mostow and thank you Cameron for making the definitive trilogy.

  • July 1, 2003, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Terminator 3 Review (6.5 out of 10)

    by C.C. Baxter

    To see complete review, visit philduong.blogspot.com

  • July 1, 2003, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Eruptus, WTF?????

    by TheSith

    Did you saw T3 yet...no!

  • July 1, 2003, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Seeing this tonight. Hope it's at least entertaining.

    by Psyclops

    I've heard all the positive and all the negative... I think my expectations are pretty non-existant at this point but who knows? I might actually enjoy it. Glad to hear it's better than most people were expecting it to be.

  • July 1, 2003, 7 p.m. CST

    Thank God.

    by Uncle Sam

    I'm beyond glad that this movie seems to be quite excellent. It simply "not sucking" would not have been enough for me to enjoy it and rest easy at night. I'm still curious to know what James Cameron's original idea for Terminator 3 would have been, though. Probably a prequel, covering what happened from August 29th, 1997, to the end of the war in 2029, when both Reese and the reprogrammed T-800 were sent back in time.

  • July 1, 2003, 7:07 p.m. CST

    TERMINATORS OF T3 SEEM DISSAPOINTING

    by braine

    What really made the last two movies was how terrifying, visceral, and believably threatening the terminators actually were. If this quality is missing in T4 I will be pissed.

  • July 1, 2003, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Rise... Rrriiiisse!!

    by Devil'sOwn

    Interestin' review. The details made my ears perk up. I'm fond of the previous movies and hope this one does well, cuz I'm not sure I'll see it in it's initial release, though I'd like to. Never saw the other two in theaters. Arnold could use a hit right about now, Nick Stahl's an intereting young actor, an' the babes are foin! Sounds like a hoot. Almost enough to make me forget Darth Poopoo's comments about LotR. Am I correct in understanding this is going to lead into another sequel. Wow. Hope Hulk Hogan's in it as a resistance fighter: "Come with me if ya wanna live, BROTHER!"

  • July 1, 2003, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Jaded....

    by [TH]Jahar

    Well, I'm looking forward to the old Arnie blocbuster. But I'm beginning to feel a little jaded about movies at the moment. It's reaching years now since I've felt my jaw drop and been emotionally shaken by a film. The last 2 that did that were The usual suspects and Leon. These big summer blockbusters have been fun but have that fast food tang about them (unless we talk about Star Wars prequels when it's just moldy old ham) Even LOTR which I adored just seemed to lack that 'IT' factor, perhaps it's me creeping upto mid 30's, Have I lost the 'kid inside' I dunno....I don't want to hang up my roller skates just yet. And seeing something like the HL2 demo movie had me squealing....so the little bugger is still in me somewhere. So why not movies? I think perhaps it's the current hollywood fare....it's just too american, The old films like Terminator 1 and Rambo and Rocky had a more European sensibility about them, a grittiness whilst essential All American Apple pie, you could have the feeling that if when you were taking a bite of of them you could actually burn the crap out of your mouth and there was not a 'Caution filling may be hot' warning. Perhaps Arniw will help me out...and those words uttered from the Big Ginga himself 'independent movie' my at least allow me a coupla hours in a cinema where I don't step out from the looking glass and realise that I'm in the flicks. aaah well here's hoping...now where the hell did I put my copy of Order of the Phoenix?

  • July 1, 2003, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Best 3rd sequel

    by RingmasterBent

    The only third movie in history worthy of being sponsored by the hair metal gods, Dokken - A Nightmare on Elm Street 3.

  • July 1, 2003, 7:26 p.m. CST

    I root for the machines.

    by FluffyUnbound

    I'm definitely going to go see this. I heard that the machines win in the end and Judgment Day arrives. I am SOOOOOOOO down with that. If Linda Hamilton was the best we had going the machines deserve to win. Linda Hamilton + Keanu Reeves < Arnold + Agent Smith.

  • July 1, 2003, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Great review Harry, Thank you

    by JAGUART

    I was wondering about this one, but now I'm gonna catch it per your review.

  • July 1, 2003, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, this is better than Reloaded and on par with T2.

    by alvinsimadeer

    See, if you had just said this is a great popcorn movie that would have been fun, but it's the constant BS of "this is best movie ever" (or "this is the worst movie ever") in your reviews, Harry, that makes people disrespect. I used to defend you from people I thought were being too harsh, but not anymore...

  • July 1, 2003, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Return Of The Jedi, still the worst Star Wars movie.

    by SnootBadger

    First half of the movie is just plain dull. Jabba is an awful villian. What fun is a bad guy who can't even move. And those Ewoks corrupt the whole endeavor. Even more annoying than Jar Jar.

  • Anyone notice that Harry is essentialy making up his own story and movie in his review. You can make shit sound tasty, doesn't mean it actually is.

  • July 1, 2003, 8:08 p.m. CST

    T3 Looking Good

    by N-E-O

    I Think that people were so excited about these big blockbuster movies coming out n they sucked. I Eniterly like The Matrix but others didnt, No Argument. Bu then there was The Hulk which is losing money bad and charlies angels 2 which is pure dumb. So people think T3 sucked, but in this case its reversed, people actually liked it so why wouldn't it be a suprise that T3 should be one of those good movies people see to have a good time and remember the old movies made up for crap that is made today. So i guess ill say this with good reviews so far for T3 even if Harry can be an ass at times ill still see T3 for the good ol enjoyment of what looks to be a good sequel

  • July 1, 2003, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Someone has to say it so here goes.........PLANT!!!

    by IndustryKiller

    I got banned earlier in this talkback for being smarter than Harry and calling his bluff so let's see if I can do it again. If this isn't the work of a studio lackie I haven't a fucking clue what is. There is not a single decent point made just ranting about John Connors feelings and excuses as to why he liked it. Sorry Harry but everyone knows what a corporate scumbag you are since you've sold us out so many times in the past. How much did you get for this review and your review of the Hulk?

  • July 1, 2003, 8:13 p.m. CST

    WTF ELSE

    by maceodkat

    Ok, Ok, Ok, I was already to blast the fat f*ck when I linked up to his "review". To my amazement, it was actually pretty good! I'll most definantly check out the flick tonight at 8:00 at my local megaplex and hunker down to (hopefully) a good movie. But alot of the talkbackers make great points, and I'm not talking about your love of Rocky films or loathe of the Matrix. You are without a shadow of a doubt, A SELLOUT, and in the words of the greatest sitcom of our time " NOT THAT THERE'S ANYHTING WRONG WITH THAT " i understand Harry, a mans' gotta eat, and according to the cartoons, you have yet to meet a plate of food you didn't like. No my beef is the fact to you are trying to come across as "one of the guys" as you fan boy your way towards 10,000 words, all the while hiding a truely bad movie. Now I'm not saying T3 is going to suck the big one, but your track record is dodgy at best. Now I can understand that we as a collective unit wil never see eye to eye, but the BS that you scribble down on your website is downright misleading. Perfect case-in-point is CA2: Full Throttle. NOw If this piece of fluff gave you wood, like your review claimed, over, and over, and over..etc, then I was all for it. Ready to not hld any weak story plots or charector development go. But it was a TOTAL PIECE OF S**T! You jacked me Harry Knowles, you friggin' raped me out of the 30 or so bucks I plopped down for me and a couple of my buddies. You Beyach! If your going to be a corporate beyach, please but up a disclaimer. Example: This review brought to you in part by __________________ ( insert name here ) and then carry on about how you releat this to some babysitting job with your nephew or whatever. Please. Thanks for your time. mace out

  • July 1, 2003, 8:18 p.m. CST

    i didn't even read the review

    by MiltonWaddams

    i'm just curious if he mentioned vampires or werewolves in his rambling, incoherent review.

  • July 1, 2003, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Matrix fanboys...

    by TheSith

    "Stop whining" T3 turned out to be a great movie and Matrix: Reloaded a huge dumb dissapointment. Get over it! And to all the James Camerons bitches: James saw it and loved it! and now he is going to write the T4 first draft.

  • July 1, 2003, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Something tells me Harry was kicked out of a Matrix showing

    by scythe1138

    I've never really bashed Harry, but man his opinion of The Matrix Reloaded is forced. If you'll remember the review of X2, he pretty much wrote off the Matrix as washed up. I love X2 but I found the Matrix Reloaded to be equally if not more enjoyable. In this review, he deludes himself into believing that even the fight scenes or the car chase was anything but spectacular.

  • July 1, 2003, 8:35 p.m. CST

    By the way. . .

    by scythe1138

    Most people who saw The Matrix Reloaded and disliked it were victims of their ADD and zoned out during the scene with the Architect or were too busy bitching about the cliffhanger ending to remember anything else. When November rolls around we'll see which is the best trilogy of the two.

  • July 1, 2003, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Matrix Reloaded wasn't THAT good -

    by GypsyTRobot

    better than the Hulk, but no Two Towers. The car chase scene, yes that's the best one I've seen in years. But the acting and writing was pretty dodgy in places, and some of the effects were not top-notch. And the story is not original -- we learn the Matrix's programs operate in a Tron-like manner?? (when I saw this in the theater and thought to myself "wow just like Tron!" the word "Tron" erupted from somewhere else in the audience). I guess the Wachowskis are betting that most of the audience hasn't seen Tron or won't remember it. Anyway, I give it 3 stars out of 4. But I'm a weirdo who thinks Duel was Spielberg's best movie with one of the most classic car chase scenes, so what do I know. "Can't beat me on the grade!"

  • July 1, 2003, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Why the childish dig at Matrix:Reloaded?

    by HappyHamster

    Your history with anything Matrix:Reloaded related has been...spotty. First you take down the Talkback for perhaps the most anticpated movie of the year after a whopping 2 days in the theaters after being heavily criticized for not understanding the movie (which you didn't). And after seeing T3 and enjoying the movie, for you to call anything in this movie "a pimple on the ass" of anything is the Matrix:Reloaded is just...silly. I like outrageousness and I like from-the-heart, but now you're just being vindictive to the people who called you out on the Matrix:Reloaded. Come on, get over it already. So you missed stuff and you were wrong on other stuff - big deal. It was a challenging movie. While your fairly fresh perspective and inside industry sources will keep me coming back to this "non-pro" site, reviews like this will keep me surfing by suntimes.com to read the latest Ebert take.

  • July 1, 2003, 8:52 p.m. CST

    scythe1138...

    by TheSith

  • July 1, 2003, 8:58 p.m. CST

    scythe1138...

    by TheSith

    It doesnt matter how good revolutions is gonna turn out to be (its 3 good movies (T) against 2 (M)) But i wish the best to all the matrix fanboys out there, because now the thing is Matrix Revolutions VS LOTR: The Return of The King.

  • July 1, 2003, 9:01 p.m. CST

    You know how you laugh at Shirley Temple movies? That's how you

    by A. Trollope

    He's completely and utterly absurd. Yeah, sure, Teutonic robots. Much more believeable than singing and dancing to save the ole plantation.

  • July 1, 2003, 9:14 p.m. CST

    I like that whole, "wrap yer head around THIS or THAT concept of

    by imageburn13

    I do it all the time anyway. Great review, harry, I'm really happy they decided to play with those ideas in the film and think about "the bigger picture" rather than passibly spoonfeed us shots of shit blowing up.

  • July 1, 2003, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Great Review Harry, Thanks for no major spoilers

    by Tarl_Cabot

    I look forward to this...

  • July 1, 2003, 10:37 p.m. CST

    by Merkin Muffley

  • July 1, 2003, 10:43 p.m. CST

    You could go crazy thinking about this stuff

    by Merkin Muffley

    Is that or is that not Sarah Connor's last line? I don't know, but I do know that line is in the Terminator saga somewhere in regards to trying to figure out all the back and forth through time stuff. In other words, the filmmakers never thought it through, why should you?

  • July 1, 2003, 10:51 p.m. CST

    I just saw it

    by rsh0210

    Harry is right, Arnold is definately back. I disagree with not liking the score though, I have listened to it for the last week and it has really grown on me. None of his past movies since T2 can even touch this film, with the exception of True Lies, which I liked T3 just as much. I actually really liked Nick in this film and he brings some strong emotional depth to John Connor. I can't wait to see it again. And the bathroom brawl? Wow, I can't begin to describe how cool that was. i laughed all giddy and excited at so many scenes,like a child. I don't remember the last film that made me feel that way.

  • July 1, 2003, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Harry we finally agree.!!!.was titanic in there somewhere?

    by zathras34

    Just returned to my abode from seeing T3 and..with the exception of john connor(I wont even mention the actors name cause he was terrible..(must speak like caveman...acting..his acting stinks..bad bad actor...make bad acting man go away)... This movie is great for one thing and one thing only...ACTION! As AH nold himself would say.."VERY NICE!!!!" Its the kind of movie you go to knowing AHnold is going to do what he does best...and we are all going to be in the theatre's going..."OWWW..OUCH!!...OOFF!! OUCH AGAIN.." Ya know the kind of thing you want from an AH nold movie.. Im sorry was there a Matrix movie with a chase seen???.."ITS JUST BEEN TERMINATED" So if ya want a great little ol action movie..yeah go..enjoy.. the only other bad thing I can say (BESIDES THAT BAD ACTOR..BAD BAD)is its only 1 hour and 40 minutes long..come on!!!! where's that two hours..that should have been the ten minutes harry spoke of..but alas no.. And one final thing..but on the last shot before the credits.. where it fades out on the Terminators head...wasnt all that debris down the (like a railing and soforth...wasnt that in "Titanic"?....Thats how this film should end..AHnolds rendition of "my heart will go on" by celine dion.. And if you dont like What I have to say..."Talk to the hand"

  • July 1, 2003, 11:13 p.m. CST

    T3 Transplendant !

    by Roboteer

    Like the TX, T3 keeps coming at you relentlessly with barely enough time to catch your breath before the next life or death encounter. If someone really wants to see chase scenes, ultraviolent hand-to-hand, and just general smashing the shit out of everything, this is the movie to take notes on. This is what has been missing this summer. It has just enough story and human element provided by the talented two young leads to set up this rollercoaster ride of carnage. They are the everyman and everywoman who put the audience right on the screen.....The story does has some interesting twists with time travel, but it doesn't pontificate on them ad infinitum. There's no time anyway for contemplation. Is it as good as T2? There might not be ANY movie as good as T2, but T3 holds its own. Plus, Mostow was careful.... there's nary a scene, line, look, or explosion that doesn't ring exactly true, believable, and relevant. This is not just a popcorn movie, not just grade 'B' entertainment. This is well crafted, well acted, well choreographed, logical mayhem on a scale that's hard to find other comparisons to. Unlike Harry, I thought just enough time was spent in exposition and characterization. Its not quite perfect, it could have been more inventive, it could have had more heart. But this isn't a movie that tries to be something its not. It knows what its about, stays totally focused, and hits you upside the head, exactly on target.

  • July 1, 2003, 11:20 p.m. CST

    OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    by evildeadron

    its now 11:15 pm here on the east coast and i just saw the 8:15 show of T3 and omfg was that good, easily the best movie so far this year, i admit when i first heard about a female terminator i was skeptical but WOW, she was totally bad ass, and no eddie furlong to screw things up(always a plus) arnold was arnold of course(with quite a few funny moments, but i wont spoil) and clair danes was suprisingly good(i feared she would be the eddie furlong) and dammit we better not have to wait 10+ more years to get more, cause damn was that ending good...GO SEE THIS MOVIE TOMORROW!!!!

  • July 1, 2003, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Fuck them all Harry.

    by JiggamanSpence

    Harry, I like your reviews for the most part. I didn't like your matrix reloaded review because i didnt think you made a very good point as to why you dont like it. All your other reviews, though I might not always agree with them, are usually a very enjoyable read. Keep them coming, and fuck everyone thats trying to bring you down. If you dont like Harry's reviews, go read someone elses.

  • July 1, 2003, 11:28 p.m. CST

    BEWARE!

    by RICOSUAVE

    HARRY ALSO LOVED ARMAGEDDON AND GODZILLA!

  • July 1, 2003, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Harry should like the third Harry Potter movie

    by GypsyTRobot

    There's a werewolf in it. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban is still my favorite book of the series -- it's as much horror and mystery as fantasy. I hope it doesn't get completely trashed by Hollywood. John Williams better write some new music, that tinkly music-box crap won't wash for a movie this dark.

  • July 1, 2003, 11:45 p.m. CST

    T3

    by BigBadMofo

    Well, this to me is one of the best flicks of the summer so far. The action and the ending were suberb. Cameron will be back in some capacity for part 4 and I personally cannot wait. Mostow made him proud. Do yourself a favor and see this movie before you comment. Now if League of X Gentlemen kicks ass next week, the summer will be complete.

  • July 1, 2003, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Much better than expected

    by godaikin

    Just saw T3 and i was happily suprised. Some of the one liners were a bit hard to swallow but overall i enjoyed this movie MUCH more than reloaded. Before going into the theater tonight I wasn't that excited, but now I will be eagerly awaiting T4.

  • July 2, 2003, 12:07 a.m. CST

    T3 is Mindless Fluff

    by Verisof

    Just got back from the theater where my sons and I watched T3. I kind of agree with Harry, but find that I was really disappointed. I guess I hadn't lowered my expectations enough to really appreciate it yet, in view of all the negative things I'd heard during production. I really missed the humanity that Cameron brings to his movies. This movie reminded me of one of those Michael Bay flicks where you have lots of explosions and big spectacles. And while I was watching it, I realized that's not what I liked about the Terminator at all. I liked the character development. Reese in the first movie, Sarah Conner in the first two, and even John Conner in the second one. They were interesting to watch. There was also WAY too much humor in this one and, as far as I was concerned, a very unbelievable script. The way they just glossed over how Skynet had been created AFTER they had destroyed Cyberdyne Systems in T2. And then we have the TX who can control machines, which means she can drive cars remotely? How is that even possible? It's mechanically IMPOSSIBLE!! Cameron would never have gone for that because he always did realistic (or at least possible) science fiction. (See Aliens or The Abyss if you have any doubts.) My final take on all this was that Arnold just seemed too stiff in this one, like a tin man. In the first two, there was a sense of menace about him. A slow fluid sense that he was a dangerous Predator. I didn't get that sense here. He seemed too herky jerky for my tastes. Oh, I and absolutely agree about the music. It sucked when compared to the first two scores. Finaly analysis: See it for the explosions and special effects. Don't expect anything else and you'll be fine.

  • July 2, 2003, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Why is Harry bashing Return of the Jedi?

    by loc

    You Know Harry cried when Darth Vader died. I ain't afraid to say it , I cried like a baby. ROTJ was a good movie and it's my favorite of all. Now, I think that Terminator 3 is going a good movie but it has very tough competition from The Matrix Revolutions, which I think it's going to kick ass, and from The Return of the King, (which I also think it's going to kick ass and win the best pic oscar,) but you know that the best part 3 it's going to be Star Wars Episode 3 The Darkness Within

  • July 2, 2003, 12:12 a.m. CST

    I don't know Harry... You didn't like MATRIX RELOADED, but loved

    by TheGinger Twit

  • July 2, 2003, 12:20 a.m. CST

    THE TROUBLE WITH HARRY

    by JaPra

    Now, I don't hate Harry Knowles nor do I hate this website. The trouble is, is that I do not know what Harry wants to be. That's also fine too because Harry does not have to be anyone for me. I've really had a distaste for this website for some time now. It started when I logged on a while back and noticed that "EMPTY YOUR MIND" below the belt shot at The Matrix world. I don't know what to make of that to be honest. I'm not the kind of person that thinks that Reloaded has and can do no wrong, far from it, both films have their shortcomings and I realize that. It appears that now for no good reason except that Harry's expectations were not lived up to so he decides, whenever he can t o take pot shots at a movie that was one of the more ambitious projects for it's genre in recent years. I recently purchased The Animatrix and while I watched the documentaries I saw Harry Knowles commenting on his love for anime and his love for the world that the Matrix films have created. Now it seems he has had a change of heart. Why, I do not know. It's hard for me to take Harry seriously, it's hard for me to read his reviews which expound upon the brilliance of a film like Godzilla [the new version] and go on a rampage on how The Matrix Reloaded failed to meet his hopes and dreams. Let me restate and go on record as to fully realizing that Harry has his own opinions and motivations and far be it for me to deny him that, it's his right as a human being. What upsets me about Harry, despite the fact that he is a poor writer is that if he does not like a film he does not treat it with the same respect of a film he does like. Someone mentioned in a prior post that there was no talkback for Reloaded and that pissed me off. I felt like that film, as anticipated as it was deserved a talkback. Alas this is Harry's website and yet again he can do what he likes and so be it. I am just frustrated that Harry, over time has turned into an egotistical self-important fan boy with an opinion and is slowly loosing respect for the very fans who put him where he is today. J.M. Prater

  • July 2, 2003, 12:25 a.m. CST

    So?

    by PPCHETERO

    "We've got enough C-4 to blow up ten super-computers?" I still don't know if that's a testament to the power of C-4 or the size of the computers. Other than that, I see a candidate for a brand new Razzie: Worst Movie Line of the Year

  • July 2, 2003, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Tell me what James Cameron and I'll see T3 if he likes it...

    by FD Resurrected

    Seriously. I still have a doubt whether T3 is any good until RottenTomatoes.com gets the shit of a tomatometer together and of course, the King of the World himself, Jim Cameron. I suppose Jim got over how Andrew Vajna and Mario Kasser fucked him over Terminator film rights and gave a seal of approval to Ahnuld to take up the Terminator role he was "born to play". If only Jim could do T3 and Alien 5...that would be a fuckin' boon.

  • July 2, 2003, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Warner Fuckers kept out of the loop? Good going Mostow!

    by Bari Umenema

    Keeping those studio fuckwads in the dark about what you were shooting is the smartest thing any director has ever done. If the studio asswipes had been allowed to meddle with this movie or with the script they would have completely destroyed it, it's why Joel Silver kept them out of the entire process on Matrix Reloaded and Matrix Revolutions, because studio assholes can only make something much much worse, never ever better. I'll see it just for that reason alone. Fortunately Warner Fuckers are only getting some distribution money on this, the real profit will go to the overseas investors backing C2 and Intermedia, they'll make money and Warner Fuckers can go fuck up some more comic book franchises.

  • July 2, 2003, 12:44 a.m. CST

    MATRIX RELOADED HAS BEST CHASE SEEN EVER.

    by E.C.

    I haven't even seen T3 yet, but there's no way the chase one-ups TM:R. kthxbye.

  • July 2, 2003, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Not the best... matrix better

    by WakoSite

    This was a good movie... however it had some flaws. Directing was good(better than expected), there is nothing worth saying about the acting cept that it could have been alot better, action scenes were sweet but it seemed that the original Terminator lost his meaning and is now the protector... Oh yea... Kristana Loken did hella job acting like a apathetic robot whereas Arnold disappointed me with the emotions he had seemingly adapted... unlike in the second where he was kick-ass emotionless giant!!! Anyways, I enjoyed this movie but its not a super big, suprise-my ass type of movie. Oh yea and the Matrix: Reloaded kicks ass, a much more epic movie with a deep and CONVERSATION-INCITING plot, DESPITE what you said Harry. YOu have to remember that The Matrix has only one sequel so far... they are simply broken into two parts... by the end of the entire SEQUEL, don't consider it a trilogy...trust me its a misconception, you'll be sticking that pimple ass you were so fondly speaking of in your mouth!

  • July 2, 2003, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Matrix Reloaded sucked. Period.

    by Mr. Pink 3000

    Look, I went into Matrix Reloaded with relatively low expectations. Normally, most sequels are retarded so I didn't expect much. I go in and sit down in the comfortable seat and relax. The film starts and for the first couple minutes I'm like "This is cool. Maybe I'm wrong". But as soon as they get to Zion it is a fucking bore. And don't give me this bullshit about "the greatest car chase scene ever". "One cool car scene make a movie does not," as Yoda would say. What about the rest of the movie? The whole entire deal with Persophone kissing Neo was pointless. It didn't harm his relationship with Trinity. The fight scenes were pointless considering what he did to Smith at the end of the first movie and why the hell didn't he carry any guns if he wants to physically attack them. Jesus, the best scenes in the first one was the shootout in the lobby of the building. Watching the "rave" scene, I was embarassed for the Wachowski's because of how retarded it was. Yeah, Harry's werewolf and vampire argument was retarded, but don't proclaim a movie great because there is a cool car chase. And I swear to God, don't throw out this "You didn't understand it," bullshit.

  • July 2, 2003, 12:52 a.m. CST

    This summer will probably go down in the record books for the sh

    by JohnnyTremaine

    The only two saving graces this summer were FINDING NEMO, an instant classic which will be enjoyed for years by generations of kids like PETER PAN and PINOCCHIO, and X2, a well-made, well-written action picture-- a true rarity.

  • July 2, 2003, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Response to Mr. Pink

    by WakoSite

    To answer those questions... 1. He couldnt simply kill the agents like before because they were "upgraded" and also Smith was no longer part of the matrix and such things no longer worked on him 2. The rave scene might have seemed corny but it was a artistic representation of humanistic qualities the people still possessed... like lust, passion, etc... remember love was one of the hardest things for the machines to understand and one of the most powerful human traits...overall the rave scene represented the humans in thier fleshy, near-mother earth persona just a way for the W. Bros to show that these are the things the machines could not manipulate in the Matrix... that is basically what Zion is... the "real" world. Please post some more questions that ill answers so you will stop bashing the matrix!

  • July 2, 2003, 1:11 a.m. CST

    T3 is as necessary as Lokken wearing clothes

    by Capnfantastik

    T3: Hmm...I give it an A in the category that only saved the Hulk-as Connelly is hot, Lokken is ridiculous. Seriously, Arnold is great, but is there anything that T3 truly brings to the table that T2 didn't leave open anyway? No...not really. Its the 3rd film curse to me, and makes ya wish that T2 had been left well alone and that a 3rd installment wouldnt ruin your love of the previous 2 films. Sadly, we have some cgi and a cast of lame stunt doubles being tossed around by a Sunday-Night movie pyrotechnician...the rest falls pretty flat. I love Arnold being back, and the idea that T3 would rock me...and I just didnt see that film tonight. Anyways...Lokken is the sexiest tomboy beanpole Terminator since the original TX made as a prototype!!!

  • July 2, 2003, 1:38 a.m. CST

    THIS MOVIE WOULD HAVE BENEFITTED FROM BEING AT LEAST 30 MINUTES

    by microwavable?

    anybody know if they had to cut a bunch of stuff? though its not likely that they snipped stuff where it would best be served - the last 10 minutes. SPOILER!! When they get to the Crystal Mountain shelter or whatever, there is no big final battle, really. Arnold reactivates, but all he does is fly a helicopter into the T-X and then gag it with a bomb. Man, I was hoping there'd be a massive battle in the desert with nothing to wield except sand! But nah. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The BEST thing about the Terminator series is the fact that all the futuristic sci-fi stuff happens in very contemporary environments. Robots and shape-shifting machines duking it out in a shopping mall, a cemetery, a steel factory, and so on. Ironically, the less interesting stuff are the scenes and setpieces that are DESIGNED. For example - which is more interesting: Arnold beating up the T-X in a sleek metal corridor, or Arnold beating up the T-X in a women's bathroom? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All in all, as a HUGE T2 fan (despite the Cameron-ism sentimentality that i kind of loathe), this movie is VERY watchable. almost a perfect next chapter to T2 . . . until the last 20 or 30 minutes, when they get to the supposed Skynet activation site. from there, it starts to fizzle. but of course, nothing could compare to the finale of T2! oh well. i hope it makes some good money, i like having Arnold around. but they should leave T4 alone - i don't think many people outside of geek circles would appreciate the futuristic man/machine battles stretched out as a film. ^^^^^^^^^^^ And by the way, Arnold's one-liners were great!!!!!!! Lighten up, all "Tawk to dah hahnd" haters!!!!!

  • July 2, 2003, 1:40 a.m. CST

    dead deer

    by Jack D. Ripper

    on topic, I loved T3 and think that it was a great action film. Off topic, can someone PLEASE explain to me this dead raped deer reference? I'm up on Hulk Hogan and Tomboy Beanpole and Graham Greene and Reinventing Zombie Horror but I never heard the origin of this one. Thanks a bunch!

  • July 2, 2003, 1:52 a.m. CST

    As a matter of fact, Harry is not "bashing" Return of the Jedi a

    by talkbackID

    Wouldn't anyone agree that the original Star Wars saga would be as lame as the new one should today's current computer capabilities(say that three times fast) be around in the seventies? We would see more boring CGI animations and dull movies altogether. We should be proud for having gems such as the Star Wars trilogy being born when they were, because nowadays it is harder and harder to come across rare films, good films. I long for the day to see the revival of the 70's Hollywood. P.S. - whoever asked about that catchphrase reference, I believe it was from the Wrong Turn review.

  • July 2, 2003, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Terminator 4: Ah-nold Has a Too-mah

    by hipcheck13

    O'course we're all pulling for Arnie - damn guy gave us some great movies. I saw "The Hulk" tonight (which I dug) and they ran a pretty lengthy T3 trailer - and damn if it didn't change my mind about this one. I'm thinking yep, this might be a good 'un.

  • July 2, 2003, 2:24 a.m. CST

    by CMBat

  • July 2, 2003, 2:25 a.m. CST

    For the record

    by CMBat

    The Reloaded chase scene was BLAH. Just crap. Boring. The parts that were supposed to be wild were so obviously effects. The fist fight on the truck looked horrible. I have no idea if the T3 chase scene is better, but it can't be worse. None of this matters because the car chase in Bad Boys 2 is the car chase of the summer. You'll see. Sad that Matrix gets outdone by Michael Bay.

  • July 2, 2003, 2:27 a.m. CST

    On all the commercials Arnold's lines seem so FORCED...in a diff

    by Andy Travis

    It's like "I am...trying to act like the Terminator, John Connor it is...time".

  • July 2, 2003, 2:49 a.m. CST

    just saw t3 tonight (may contain spoilers)

    by Resistance2003

    i just saw t3 tonight for an early release screening. i have to say, i was very impressed. it was a way way different movie than the first two, (which is a given, with new crew involved)but awesome. the story went in a variety of different places that were totally interesting, and as a fan, i never would have even thought of. Nick Stahl and Claire Danes did an outstanding job. the intensity he gave to john connor was oscar worthy, and her performance was equally outstanding. there were a few minor things i would have liked to have seen differently in the story, but overall it was the sh**. though i was kinda bummed that the usual terminator theme was only in the end credits (and modified at that), the score for the most part seemed to fit the story.(i was actually hoping that the theme from the first t3 teaser would also be used because it was completely heavenly) i would definitely love to see a T4. the ending was totally intense, and a great stepping stone into the future war. i love the idea that TX wasn't JUST sent out to kill john, but also kate, and other leutenants of the resistance. and the fact that no matter what, the war will happen, and he is simply there to lead them blew me away, as far as the "fate" thing goes also it was interesting that kate was the one to reprogram the t800, since john had died in the war. the story had all kinds of great twists and turns like this, and went in very interesting places. All of this said, it was a great movie, different but great. just for kicks it would have ALSO been interesting to see where Cameron would have gone with it as well. This is only the second John Mostow film i've seen. I have been a die hard fan of the terminator movies, and Cameron since I was 15. I have seen Nick Stahl in a variety of films, and he is one of the very best actors i have ever seen. I have even seen a couple movies that he was in, that i actually didnt like as much , but Stahl's performance was so good i kept watching anyway. Claire danes did an amazingly intense job as Kate, and it was all the much better knowing she has never really done a role like that before. That being said, to the returning crew, the new writers of a Terminator, new director of a terminator, and awesome cast of T3, DAMN GOOD JOB. If a T4 does come out, I can't wait to see where it goes. =)

  • July 2, 2003, 2:52 a.m. CST

    T3 SUCKED! - Lame Story - Lame Action - I would pay to hear Jame

    by Darth Siskel III

    GOd. How can anyone compare the action in T3 to the perfection that is the freeway chase in Matrix Reloaded!? For that matter, the worst action scene in Reloaded is better than the best scene in T3. I am still in shock over the lack of one great action scene in T3. $170 million CAN buy you a good script. It can buy you a proven action director. It can buy you people with creativity. Why did the producers choose to buy a boatload of people that weren't even close to filling James Cameron's shoes? T3 is a BIG WASTE. It's a big REHASH of T2, only shot poorly. Arnold should have been the badguy again. The sole Terminator in the movie. Instead we get jokes. LAME Jokes. Stupid waste of another great franchise, now ruined Alien/Robocop/DieHard style. 3rd times a charm.

  • July 2, 2003, 2:54 a.m. CST

    T3 beats the crap out of Matrix Reloaded...

    by BigRedMachine

    Harry's review is bang on the money. The only key weakness in the movie is an over reliance on comedy in some areas (there's only SO many times you can see his glasses on wonky and laugh) and this sometimes takes the brutal edge off what is essentially a dark story. Arnie looks younger than expected somehow and as an action movie, it categorically tears Matrix Reloaded a new arsehole. It wasn't the classic movie that the first two were, but fuck me, it's the best blockbuster to come out so far this year by a country mile. Mostow and C2 productions have got balls of steel, 'cos that end sequence, holy shit, the whole cinemas jaw hit the fuckin' floor...

  • July 2, 2003, 2:57 a.m. CST

    T3

    by wattofan

    Okay, so no one was a bigger Terminator geek than I was in high school. T2 came out in my senior year (so did Lethal 3, incidentally), so both movies have a special place in my heart. Life changes, all that shite. That having been said, I was expecting nothing from T3. I mean, after all, a JC more important than John Connor, James Cameron, was absent. Plus the trailers make it look like shit, too. However, I was pleasantly surprised after the credits rolled on T3. Granted, all this may be clouded by the fact that T3 brings up some details that the geek in me thought were cool (twists and other details that non-geeks wouldn't notice, I mean). Don't get me wrong: not having Cameron and Hamilton in the movie is nothing short of heresy, and I can't help but think they could have all been involved if Arnold hadn't picked four shitty movies in a row: if he had just come off some good pics, he'd be less desperate for a hit, and maybe some deal between Cameron and C2 could have been reached. Alas, it was not to be. So what we're left with is T3. There are some cheesy parts, but then again, T2 had those aplenty ("Hasta La Vista, Baby...") The action scenes are great, if at times derivative, since the TX is basically a T800 and a T1000 combined, so she splats silver like Robert Patrick did when he got shot. Rabid T2 fans know that before coming up with the T1000, Cameron dismissed "Arnold vs. the bitch" as too gimmicky. But I digress... The future scenes are amazing. High school me would have shot a load seeing all the endos doing their thing on the battlefield, covered by so many HKs. The end twist to me is the big payoff. I won't reveal it, but it was pretty cool and unexpected. My main gripe is that Cameron wasn't there. I agree with Harry on this one: T2 looked epic as hell. This one just feels like an action movie undertaken because Arnold's Hollywood stock is dropping after his last shitty flicks. Don't get me wrong: T3 isn't shitty at all. It's a thousand times better than MATRIX RELOADED, though I realize that's not saying a whole lot. Still, T3 is better than the trailers make it out to be.

  • I'm glad that fat Harry is still bashing Matrix Reloaded. All these Reloaded nerds need to realize that the Wachowski Brothers wrote a script that sucked all the drama and humanity from the movie. Reloaded was a badly disguised tedious sermon of supposedly "profound concepts". Drink the Koolaid, you Reloaded fan boys.

  • July 2, 2003, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Did ANYONE else notice the most tasteless charecter name in cine

    by CaptainWalker

    Seriously folks! they had enough time to make the change in post. This was the most tasteless idea since "Hitler 2 : The Revenge!" Couldn't they have given Claire Danes fiance' a better name than "Scott Peterson"!!!!!

  • July 2, 2003, 3:06 a.m. CST

    T3 whomped ASS!

    by Archduke_Chocula

    T-X and Arnie kicked ass and fucked up L.A. and the T-X just plain fucked Arnies shit up in one part and there smashing each other with toilets and robots are killing anything that moves and John Conner takes over George W. Bush and that Juliet dame fucks up those machines up and that Silberman dude is like "Ahhh shit! its Arnie, run for the hills!" and then I applauded when that dude at the drive in gets murdered, fucking idiots messed up my order.

  • July 2, 2003, 3:10 a.m. CST

    But other than that,....

    by CaptainWalker

  • July 2, 2003, 3:12 a.m. CST

    But other than that..

    by CaptainWalker

    I liked it. It lacked some of the cinematic flourish of Cameron, but it was still good summer fun, and I liked the "Symetry" of the ending.

  • July 2, 2003, 3:12 a.m. CST

    My Reader's Digest review of "T-3"

    by Uncapie

    As I said before, I saw it too. Fun film, entertaining. I liked the Hulk and its better than the Hulk. Arnie's one-liners are funny but, if you really want to bitch, riddle me this, Batman, how is it that the T-800 can age? Granted, the ending should have been this gigantic battle, but it was anti-climatic. Some cool fight scenes, cool robots, a better chase scene than the Matrix. Overall, I enjoyed it. It'll make a ton of dough the first two weeks, but drop off. This is the m.o. forumla Hollywood seems to be supplying and they're killing the longetivity of any film being a classic because of their fucking consuming greed. Bad points: I kept thinking, when is Gregory Hines was going to make his cameo from "Eve Of Destruction." Go in expecting nothing and you'll have a good, popcorn eating time.

  • July 2, 2003, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Harry seems right on this...

    by BuyNothing

    If you count being "right" as being in line with all the other critics (there's a whole post-modern can of worms in that statement that I won't even touch). Meta-Critic, which is an overall average of most all reputable critics, has T3 at 65- generally favorable. Granted, Harry really seems to like big crappy movies. Of course that doesn't mean that every movie that Harry likes is crappy, just that Harry likes every crappy movie.

  • July 2, 2003, 3:32 a.m. CST

    T3 music

    by frank da tank

    I thought Beltrami did a good job. Why should he be forced to use the Fiedel terminator theme if Cameron and Fiedel didn't use it within the first 2 films? It only really plays during the opening and closing of the first 2 films. The T2 score sucks. Has the emotional punch of a Casio keyboard demo. I agree the theme is cool that Fiedel wrote and it was great to hear Beltrami's arrangement of it played by a real orchestra. Those first 2 films were so much fun to watch that Cameron could have used mariachi music and it still would have worked.

  • July 2, 2003, 3:39 a.m. CST

    summer ranking thus far

    by radjac29

    1 being best: 1 x2 2 t3 3 28 days later 4 the italian job 5 matrix reloaded

  • July 2, 2003, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Fuck the Matrix: Reloaded

    by vash666

    Anybody else tired of hearing from this vocal minority of fan boy dipshits? I know I am. Here's how it breaks down fellas: nobody but a handful of fucksticks such as yourselves liked that piece of shit film. This turd can't even break 300 million despite more hype than any film I can remember. It was lame, overblown, tedious, poorly acted, and generally uninspired. At least T3 had a sense of humor and employed some self parody. The Warchowskis are so high on their own bullshit that they think the Matrix is high art. Face it: Reloaded is a fucking dud.

  • July 2, 2003, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Saw it. Liked it.

    by Psyclops

    Not nearly as good as the first two but a worthy addition to the Terminator series. The first ten minutes sucked ass and I was almost sure that I was going to hate the film but once Arnie, Nick and Claire got together the movie really took the ball and ran with it. It's good, not great, very entertaining and has some surprisingly good moments in it as well as some of the best CGI effects that didn't stick out like a sore thumb (I don't care what you say that cartoon Neo in Reloaded was shit). Basically, it's good fun.

  • July 2, 2003, 4:30 a.m. CST

    just download it

    by CuervoJones

    this is an act of betrayal

  • July 2, 2003, 4:32 a.m. CST

    ROCKY III?????

    by CuervoJones

    QU

  • July 2, 2003, 4:40 a.m. CST

    T-3 delivered in SPADES!!! Summer is finally here!

    by MentallyMariah

    Just got back from T-3, late showing Tuesday Night and all I have to say is I am going to sleep with a smile on my face@!!!

  • July 2, 2003, 5:01 a.m. CST

    THREE CHEERS FOR MATRIX:RELOADED SUPPORTERS-TIME WILL VINDICATE

    by Darth Phallus

    T3 seems like a movie in search of a purpose. In other words, it only exists because Ahnold needs a hit and wants the dough. The premise seems to be more of an intersting interlude before the real movie we should have seen which was the Skynet war. So ANOTHER terminator gets sent back in time?? C'mon is that the BEST they could do? It's essentially the same movie three times. Face it, for this movie to really have any merit it needed to have been made about five years ago or at the least been made by Cameron et al. and starred the original cast. Without them it's just a payday for Ahnold and not a satisfying climax for we fan$. I'll bet you Cameron secretly HATES this film. And yes, The Matrix:Reloaded did indeed take from Terminator and Tron but it BUILT upon these ideas which is why Terminator seems so dated now. For example, Matrix showed that the machines could be far more creative and deadly in their choice of bodies rather than humanoids (even bad-ass silver skeleton ones). Yes, I probably will go see T3 as I am a fan of the series (just bought the awesome new T2 DVD ), but then as a fan of the series I feel they took something that for its time was really great and imaginitive (see also Star Wars) and just fucking gutted it til we went from Ahnold the scary terminator to Ahnold the crying terminator to Ahnold "talk to dah hand" terminator. It's a strange feeling to be nostalgiac for "I'll be bahck."

  • July 2, 2003, 5:04 a.m. CST

    by Johnson

    Usually I just sit back and read all the comments on how stupid Harry is for liking a movie or how much of a genius he is for raving about a movie that got panned or blew at the box office. And it's usually about movies that I really am interested in. Now I'm popping my AICN talk back cherry about a movie that could care less about. I just saw this movie at an 11 pm show. I could have seen it at 8 pm if I was'nt working. That's funny I could have sworn that I saw about 20 billboards in the Chicago area that said July 2nd not July 1st. Well the point is this movie is bad even if Harry does'nt say so, it really is. I will be the first to say that I have a soft spot for the 80's action hero. Arnold, Stallone even Dolph (the real Punisher). If you would have shown me the "talk to the hand" part or the painful 5 seconds where arny puts on those rediculous glasses about 10 years ago I probably would have cried for my fallen hero. But since the idea of this movie being bad and arnold getting older has slowly eased into my mind I can't help but laugh. Cool action sequences, definetly. 8 dollars well spent, hardly. Harry, I love your site and will continue to visit just about everyday like I have for the past couple of years. You should be glad that those last 10 minutes don't exist, it would just be dragging on a movie that was over before it started. After watching this movie tonight I don't think I'll ever look back to the good ol' days of Arnold the same way. RIP Arnold the Last Action Hero.NEXT!

  • July 2, 2003, 5:06 a.m. CST

    RIP Ahnuld

    by Johnson

    Usually I just sit back and read all the comments on how stupid Harry is for liking a movie or how much of a genius he is for raving about a movie that got panned or blew at the box office. And it's usually about movies that I really am interested in. Now I'm popping my AICN talk back cherry about a movie that could care less about. I just saw this movie at an 11 pm show. I could have seen it at 8 pm if I was'nt working. That's funny I could have sworn that I saw about 20 billboards in the Chicago area that said July 2nd not July 1st. Well the point is this movie is bad even if Harry does'nt say so, it really is. I will be the first to say that I have a soft spot for the 80's action hero. Arnold, Stallone even Dolph (the real Punisher). If you would have shown me the "talk to the hand" part or the painful 5 seconds where arny puts on those rediculous glasses about 10 years ago I probably would have cried for my fallen hero. But since the idea of this movie being bad and arnold getting older has slowly eased into my mind I can't help but laugh. Cool action sequences, definetly. 8 dollars well spent, hardly. Harry, I love your site and will continue to visit just about everyday like I have for the past couple of years. You should be glad that those last 10 minutes don't exist, it would just be dragging on a movie that was over before it started. After watching this movie tonight I don't think I'll ever look back to the good ol' days of Arnold the same way. RIP Arnold the Last Action Hero.NEXT!

  • July 2, 2003, 5:10 a.m. CST

    ARNOLD IS A T-800, not a T-101!! They even got it wrong IN THE

    by JEDIswimr

  • July 2, 2003, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Movie release dates are GAY

    by earthworm

    I've just found out I won't get this till fucking August. I don't even get Hulk for another three weeks, and I live in the UK, not some lame backwater like France. If anyone discusses the endings of either of these films (or 24 while we're at it) I'll hunt them down and force them to watch Lizzie Maguire (that we get on time!)

  • July 2, 2003, 5:35 a.m. CST

    I'm sick of Ewok-slagging

    by Vitaly Chernobyl

    Will any of you please tell me, without resorting to hyperbole, what the hell was so earth-shatteringly wrong with Ewoks?? I'm sick of the crap that gets pitched ROTJ's way for no good reason. Apart from one two second shot of Ewok babies, they are not that cute. The way C3PO tells the story is a great allegory to our own heritage of story-telling, except we used cave-drawings. Is it the fact that a Legion of StormTroopers can't kill an entire planet? C'mon, what are your arguments? I can appreciate comments about a diluted Han Solo, but the Ewoks are not deserving of such crap.

  • July 2, 2003, 6:19 a.m. CST

    T4: Old Timers Grudge Match

    by TheSecondEvil

    Starring Arnold Schwarzenegger as the T-800 and Hulk Hogan as the T-IRED. "Hasta la Vista, BROTHER!"

  • The Matrix Reloaded was smart, the story was the only thing about it i liked. all the stuff with the architect, and the brilliant acting by Fishburne when his ship is destroyed and he says "but now that dream is gone from me" i loved it... it ruled, i had other problems though... one was Neo and his lack of immortality... Knowles touched on this in hbis review and it is a valid problem, he's "the one" right? he came back from the dead in the last one, this means HEY! it's not real! he knows it isn't real, therefore, he can't be hurt, yet he gets cut and bleeds in the matrix, and he has to kung fu fight everyone, can't he just burst them like he did Smith at the end of the Matrix? no he has to kung fu fight them just like Morpheous and Trinity, he's just a bit stronger then them... also, my other problem was this, in the first Matrix, they used revolutionary FX and such to create bullet-time, it wasn't cgi, it was something else, and i loved it... i think CGi looks fake, it does! it looked great in T2 and Jurassic Park, and Gollum looked great in Two Towers, but in every other movie it looks bad, i find it looks the best when it's being used for monsters, or dinosaurs or weirde creatures of some sort, or when used with makeup, only to enhance. in Matrix Reloaded, they resorted to complete CGi for like every scene, i mean the Brawl with Smith? 70% of that nfight was all CGi, and i don't mean all the Smiths having Hugo Weavings face, they entirely CGi animate everything, and it looks fucking fake, Neo flying? at the beginning swirling the clouds? that could have been done with Keanu on wires or something, and then use CGi to enhance it, but they copped out and went all CGi... and the chase scene? it was good, but they again copped out and used all CGi agents for the jumping and it looked fucking horrible. and Neo saving the keymaker and Morpheous? fake as hell, i couldn't stand it, it bothered me how fake it looked. almost as bad at the "Human Spider" jumping\swinging scenes in spiderman. Matrix Reloaded had a great script, like the first one, and had some great performances (again by Weaving and Fishburne.) but the CGI, the lack of logic about Neo's lack of powers he should have, and powers that i guess he forgot to use after the first Matrix, i just hope in Revolutions, he can do some Akira, Goku stuff, i mean he can do ANYTHING in the matrix right? he can control the matrix as he sees fit? why not shoot lasers out of his hands? gigantic energy blasts? come on Wachowski brothers! wanna comment on this shit i said? email the9inchnail@hotmail.com, i couldn't follow this talkback if i tried, i mean the fat sweaty fuck and his "shame on you" life partner can't even fucking put the talkback in chronological 0rder.

  • July 2, 2003, 6:58 a.m. CST

    NO FATE (re: Big Kahuna's comment)

    by Rodimus Ben

    I am glad there is at least one other person out there who understands why I can not and will not ever see this movie again. The real shame of it is (***SPOILERS AHEAD***) that I actually loved the movie to death until the last five minutes, the point at which T3 slapped in the face, set on fire and pissed on the ashes of anything and everything the first two films stood for. The action, effects and fights were all excellent and incredible throughout the film, worth seeing again and again if that's what you're interested in. But to me, the Terminator series was always about something more than that. It was about the idea that "the future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves." I've carried that mantra with me for over a decade of my life now, and often used it as something to remind myself that when things seem out of control in my own life, I have the power to change it. We all do. John, Sarah, and the T-800 did in Terminator 2. But now, according to T3, it was all useless. Judgement Day was destined to happen, half of the human race was destined to be wiped out. Trying to prevent "destiny" is pointless. What a sad, nihilistic way to look at the world. Not only does it render everything accomplished in T2 completely pointless, but it defies the core belief present in both of Cameron's Terminator films. NO FATE is what I walked out of Terminator 2 believing, and it is still my belief. Cameron used his artistry and his genius to inspire and uplift his audience, to empower them to believe that they could change what the future would bring. And for all of its skill in action filmmaking, T3 is a soulless shell by comparison. What saddens me most is that NO ONE I have spoken to about this so far has even a clue as to what I'm talking about. They look at me, dumbfounded, for trying to inject some meaning into these films. It's sad that people no longer seem to think or care about the philosophies and ideals behind movies-- they seem to simply shut down their brains and expect to be entertained by a digital roller coaster ride. OR, as seems to be the case more often among the viewers of this site, they are more interested in abstract sci-fi concepts than the simple, core truths that be be extracted from the works of master directors like Cameron, who have something important to say and proclaim it boldly through their chosen craft of film. Similar to The Matrix: Reloaded, the Terminator films are about the idea of predestination. The implication of Terminator 3 seems to be that we should get on our knees and submit to the uncontrollable force of destiny, never trying to change things for ourselves. Now, many people will argue that Judgement Day had to happen to prevent the paradox of John Connor's birth, and other such insignificant fictional drivel, to justify the ending of the third film, when in reality it exists only as a setup for more sequels, more big business, more beating of the dead horse that they have made of Cameron's story. And people will probably gobble it up. As for me, I hold the first two Terminator films closer to my heart than that, and that's why, despite the bevy of crowd-pleasing material in T3 that will no doubt gross hundreds of millions of dollars, I cannot see it again. Seeing my dreams destroyed is not worth it.

  • July 2, 2003, 7:05 a.m. CST

    RETURN OF THE JEDI ROCKED!

    by Jon E Cin

    How can you compare it to all that crap.

  • July 2, 2003, 7:46 a.m. CST

    damn good movie

    by Rupee88

    Of course this isn't as good as T2...no one expected that. But it is a damn good action movie with decent characters and decent dialogue. The story was also serviceable, but the action was very well done. The female Terminator was sexy and great in her role as well. I thought it was dumb to make another Terminator film with an old Arnold, but it looked fine and the film was lots of fun.

  • July 2, 2003, 8:24 a.m. CST

    T3 the popcorn movie

    by SantaClaus

    Harry was right on the money about Reloaded and The Hulk. Reloaded has some fantastic action scenes broken up by non-sequitor philosophy 101. phhhhtttt.. Hulk was fantastic. No complaints. A powerful fusion of art and action. Ang Lee knocks another one out of the park. I was going to completely avoid T3, but if Harry liked it, thats good enough for me. S.

  • I personally thought it rocked and kicked every other blockbuster's butt this year (and interestingly everyone I talk to feels the same way. Maybe all the haters are just virtual ;) ). Anyway, just saw T3 and while it's by no means a classic it's soo much better than I dared to hope. Talk to the Hand!

  • July 2, 2003, 8:47 a.m. CST

    T-X's boobs

    by Darth Sticky

    So the T-X's boobs inflate eh? Where do I sign up?!

  • July 2, 2003, 8:49 a.m. CST

    All this hostility to Reloaded comes from...

    by earthworm

    ...losers pissed at the Wachowskis for not making the film that was in *their* head. Also, to direct one particular point often raised..."To know something you have to fight it"... hence the Smith fight, which I refuse to call the Burly Brawl.

  • July 2, 2003, 9:13 a.m. CST

    This movie rocked!!

    by SoulOnIce

    The balls out action flick of the summer. The summer is the time for popcorn flicks and to see one that is so well crafted is a pleasure. The ending is perfect and the first action sequence is jaw dropping. More enjoyable than a million Matrix:Reloaded and a hundred Hulks.

  • July 2, 2003, 9:14 a.m. CST

    I saw the movie last night at 8 pm (the sneak peak)

    by Lost Skeleton

    It was pretty damn good. Mostow doesn't waste any time with the action, he just goes right into it. Cameron and Mostow are very different in how they approach action. Cameron is more emotional and sleak while Mostow is very rough and in your face. One note, T3 is more of a traditional sci-fi movie than T1 or T2. Personally, I always thought of the first two Terminators as action movies because I never beleived that you can change the future because of the inevitable paradox. If Judgement Day was stopped, than there would be no terminator 2. There would be no John Conner. Only Sarah with an erased memory. Anyway, the ending is very bold- setting up the War with the Machines. They can definity go in a differt direction with the franchise without Arnold. Once again, not a brillant movie but a damn entertaining one for the summer. If you want deep, see the Hulk (good) or Reloaded (everyone knows by know that I am an unapologetic Matrix fan- my second favorite trilogy since Lord of the Rings is my favorite). If you want fun, see T3

  • July 2, 2003, 9:16 a.m. CST

    by KING HEROD

    T3 is shot aggressively as if the next shot was always more important than the one we were currently looking at? What the fuck does that mean?

  • July 2, 2003, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Desire...is...irrelevant...I...am...A PLANT!

    by Vegas

    Seriously, what the fuck? Shitting on RELOADED in a praising review for this blasphemous piece of shit? Really. Sad, Harry, just let the Matrix go. Sorry you got hung up on the Vampires and Werewolves that "weren't" there, but really, if you think anything in this fucker measures up to the freeway sequence in Reloaded, then...you just like different movies than I do. Hell, that was obvious after you panned American Psycho, A.I., Black Hawk Down, and Reloaded while praising Blair Witch 2, Blade II, Daredevil, and Hulk. My problem with the whole idea of this movie is it basically says "Fuck you Cameron, the events of Terminator 2 now amount to dick and squat." Which is funny, because I know you hate ALIEN CUBED so much because it says "Fuck you Cameron, the events of ALIENS now amount to dick and squat." Whatever man.

  • July 2, 2003, 9:46 a.m. CST

    I wasn't aware that ROTJ was a disappointment

    by scythe1138

    Seriously, from out of nowhere I read in Cinescape that Return of the Jedi was a major letdown. Empire is definitely my favorite, but I once considered Return of the Jedi to be the best of the trilogy. Ian McDiarmid owned his role as the Emperor and the scene within the Death Star were perhaps the most memorable in Star Wars. Ewoks changing your opinion of ROTJ is like saying hobbits swayed your opinion of Fellowship of the Ring.

  • July 2, 2003, 9:47 a.m. CST

    T3 Was Really Good. Thank God!

    by Mr. Profit

    Hey guys, I saw T3 last night. I went to a 10:40 showing that was packed. I am so happy and relieved that T3 was a good movie. It's in my top 4 summer movies this year which are T3 and Reloaded in a tie for 1st, X2 in second (even though it could have had better special effects) and in 4th Finding Nemo. It's not a typical Terminator movie. The effects are hot. The set pieces are crazy. The TX is who looks like a bootleg Natasha Henstridge from Species in the trailer was pure evil. She is ruthless and can almost give Robert Patrick (T2) a run for his money. She is such a bad ass and you can't keep your eyes off her. The storyline is not what you expect. It's not just about Arnold saving John again. There is clever twists in the film that make you appreciate what director Jonathan Mostow has done. The action and fighting are top notch. And it has a brave and bold ending that leaves you wishing they filmed both T3 and T4 at the same time so that you can see T4 soon. The music in the film is different. Composed by a favorite person of mine, Marco Beltrami who did the music for the Scream Trilogy. The music in T3 is reminiscent of a horror film in the first half hour when the TX is going all psycho on it's victims. Another thing, the violence is not over the top. What's suggested is a bit more intense then what is actually shown. Arnold is back and he's here to show that hack Vin Diesel a thing or two. Welcome back buddy. Nick Stahl is good as John Conner. I hate Eddie Furlong as John and thought he was a whopping mess always crying and yelling like a little girl. Nick Stahl even looks like Kyle Reese from the 1st Terminator film. Claire Danes surprised me, and now she can hopefully get back on track with her career. People were cheering. It's the perfect popcorn movie. It brings you up to speed and then kicks the action into superhigh gear. It's just plain ol' fun. T3 is worth watching twice in the theater and owning on DVD. It just leaves you wanting so much more and it's a good thing.

  • July 2, 2003, 9:50 a.m. CST

    saw this last night.......

    by Rome&BrianGarage

    oh my lord this movie kicked ass!.....the movie was short...really short...yet it packed tons of action and character development, yes character development in its lean frame...the movie is like a little 5 foot cambodian kid that can lift four times his body weight....oh and the ending is sweet...and not just sweet as in cool but sweet as in awww how cute...but not gay meg ryan movie sweet, but sweet like bruce willis calling his cheating wife a bitch and telling her he wanted to kick her ass at the end of The Last Boy Scout kind of sweet....arnold you have been redeemed you old 80's action relic...this is your best movie since terminator 2

  • July 2, 2003, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Return Of The Jedi is my Favourite Movie.

    by Roborob

    Harry is wrong to dismiss ROTJ along with the likes of Alien 3 sure it has Ewoks and less drama but it is a completion to the Trilogy at that point and now of Episodes I to VI. Mind you I love Space Battles over any thing else so Having one of the biggest Space Battles in one of the Longest and Best Finaly in Film History Makes it Brilliant. P.S. I also think Star Trek 3 is BETTER than cheap Star Trek 4.

  • July 2, 2003, 10 a.m. CST

    At Least Harry Is Consistant

    by Mako

    Which means I'll probably not like T3. I thought MATRIX RELOADED was great, and couldn't stand THE HULK nor CHARLIES ANGELS 2. Oh well... thanks Harry... I can at least rely on disagreeing with just about every movie you diss or like.

  • July 2, 2003, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Saw it and liked it

    by SoonerSean

    I saw it last night at 11:00 and the theater was moderately crowded... not bad for 11:00 on a Tuesday. I enjoyed the movie and would only comment that as much as I like Arnold... he is starting to look a little long in the tooth in some of his close-ups. But the action is great and the story is pretty good. My only complaint would be that they take the lazy way out too many times in the script. I don't think it's a spoiler to say that in the first 10 minutes, all the key characters arrive at the exact same spot at the same time and at an "odd" time of day (in the movie). Then later someone is told to fly somewhere and they just happen to know how to fly and just happen to stumble onto a non-military plane. Minor-quibbles (that wouldn't have been quibbles with a minor change or two) as this movie is pretty damn good.

  • July 2, 2003, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Logic. Whatever happened to logic?

    by FatPaul

    Terminator had a loose sort of logic to it. T2 had severe logic problems. For instance: the only possible result of the characters' actions would be that there could be no Skynet, which means that Kyle whatsisname would never go back in time to father John Connor, so there would be no killer robots and no John Connor to fight them. Now part 3 seems to have left logic behind entirely. Not that I need logic to enjoy a movie. Hell, Versus is one of my favorite movies, and it doesn't make a damn bit of sense. Plot holes don't really get in the way of enjoying a good movie, they're just something to keep your mind occupied during a bad movie. But here's my problem: I saw the T3 trailer, with its crap dialogue and its TV-level cinematography, and I can't imagine actually paying more than a buck to see it. That means that about a year from now I'll spend a buck to rent it from my local library, and I'll probably have all sorts of dream-logic plot holes to hold my interest. Even so, there's a good chance I'll still feel dirty for having rented it, like when I wasted a buck on that last Star Wars movie. What kind of world is it? It's kind of crap.

  • July 2, 2003, 11:17 a.m. CST

    eruptus - Cameron wasn't raped - he turned it down...

    by Damitol

    James Camron made the decision to not have anything to do anything with T3 so he could concentrate all of his efforts on spending his Titanic money, or whatever he has been doing. I hope you don't think for a second that more than one studio exec didn't offer oral releif and more if he would return. AND - he has to be getting a paycheck of some type since the film is based on his work and original designs. I'll admit I rolled my eyes when I heard about T3 without Cameron helming (and Linda Hamilton kicking ass) and thought "this is just an excuse for Arnie to make his retirement money. The first images we saw of him carrying a coffin on his shoulder and shooting a gun looked a little silly to me, and I wrote off T3 as a DVD purchase to complete the set. HOWEVER - the latest trailer and the good reviews from all over have forced me to do a 180 and put this on my must see list. I watched Terminator and T2 a couple of weeks ago for the first time in a while, and I had forgotten how much I love this franchise. Sure, Cameron won't be there and from Harry's great non-spoilerific review above it shows in the details, but damn it, I'm excited about a third 2003 summer film, but this time I don't have to wait a year or more to see it. Arnold has hinted that a T4 and T5 are possible, and if the really have kept the spirit of the first two alive and (I hope, I hope, I hope) Cameron comes back to direct T5 and ends it with John pulling Reese aside and making him memorize the phrase that pays, bringing it all full circle - that could make Terminator the most overall satisfying franchise ever.

  • July 2, 2003, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Look, I loved Reloaded and I dug T3

    by Lost Skeleton

    so what is wrong with that. I am tired of all of you Matrix bashers. You guys were too stupid to get it so fine. But don't call it shit.

  • July 2, 2003, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Governator of Californiator

    by Regis Travolta

    I'm not dah Terminator anymore now I am dah Governator soon I be living in dah Governator's mansion in Sacramento so stop making fun of my moofie! Or I'll raise your taxes and take your salary my state is bankrupt we need money or no more moofies!

  • Really, what an incredibly boring movie it was. Forget about your big theories as to why people didn't like it. It wasn't entertaining! My god, the first hour goes by and nothing happends and by the time it says to be continued I didn't give a shit whether Neo was alive or dead or about Revolutions. T3 is just a fun film. Reloaded was anything but!

  • July 2, 2003, 12:24 p.m. CST

    this will suck!!

    by sanford and gun

    But I will still see it!! We gotta bump charlie's angels 2 from the #1 spot!!

  • July 2, 2003, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Absolutely Amazing.

    by YouAbsolutelySuk

    I loved this film. EXCELLENT review, Harry. Seriously. It expressed everything I felt of the movie and I saw it. Don't listen to these jackasses. It was an awesome review that covered everything. I felt the same way and agreed with you on every single point. Don't worry, there will be plenty of Special Releases of the DVD with lots of extra footage. And, to all you bastards ripping on this review and Harry, get a fucking life, okay? Can you guys go one topic without blasting the guy? Damn. Nevertheless, excellent job Harry. You hit every single topic and you really expressed the sentiments that I had. Keep up the good work and ignore the assholes on this board.

  • July 2, 2003, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Hey! Matrix Reloaded was deep!

    by Sherlock_Holmes_

    If you're a 13-year-old who has never read a BOOK.

  • July 2, 2003, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Harry ,Samaurai III:Duel at Ganryu Island is the best 3rd insta

    by Tarl_Cabot

    The Good, bad and Ugly is my second choice. Jedi was awesome. Except for the speeder chase, the scenes on Endor were lame but Jabba's Palace,the Emperor and the space battle make up for it. Quit Bashing Jedi Harry! It kicks the shit out of the 2 prequels you gave rave reviews to!

  • July 2, 2003, 1 p.m. CST

    T3 Rise Of The Machines Saves The Summer For One Movie Go'er

    by Darth Jackass

    Wow! Holy Shit! Shit Eat Pants! You get the idea. I just had to write in after having seen Rise Of The Machines last night. And all I can say is T-3 delivers and 100 times more so than any Hulk or Matrix or put in your summer dissapointment here. I had low expectations for this one as the advaced word has been un-kind to say the least. But Mostows has taken T-3 & made it his own without alienating the previous work done by Jim Cameron. This movie feels connected to the others & advances the story in cool new ways. That's not to say this is the best Terminater movie ever made because it's not T-1 is a classic & cannot be topped, but I would put this one on par with T-2 and in some aspects ahead of Camerons Judgement Day. T-3 has a really good & original story. Mostow does a great job of enter twining the previous films & taking Camerons idea's and running with them this is not just a rehash of the previous Terminator films with new action set up's & FX but dare I say Mostow has made a film that maybe even Jim Cameron could appreciate? Harry review pretty much says it all & more elquintly than I could write. If any Teminator fans had concerns about seeing this one don't! This summer at least one action film got it right and delivers on it's promise. I can't wait for to see this one again & please hurry and get back to work on T-4 so we don't have to wait 5 or 10 years for this series conclusion. If T-4 can deliver on the promises made by this movie we should all "Be Back"!

  • July 2, 2003, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Thankya Harry, I'm so damn excited for the possibility of this f

    by Silver_Joo

  • July 2, 2003, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Is there any logic to a Terminator movie?

    by SoonerSean

    The very first movie established that logic is severely flawed in a time-travel movie. Reese comes back in time to protect Sarah Connor so that she can give birth to the human's savior... John Connor. Only problem is that it takes Reese to impregnate Sarah. Thus... if machines don't come back in time, there isn't a John Connor and Sarah Connor likely dies in the nuclear attack on LA. Same in this movie... if the machines don't send a Termanatrix back... the now adult John Connor wouldn't have been informed that the end of mankind was a day away and likely would have died in a bar catching up with his former HS buddy. Even the line by the Arnold Terminator where he states: "Skynet didn't know the location of John Connor...[at that particular time]" is flawed. If they didn't know where he was on that date... why not send the female terminator back in time 10 years further back so that she could kill little Johnny while he's sitting in english class in the 8th grade? Why not send a Terminator back with a nuclear weapon so that instead of having to chase Connor down, it can just detonate itself within a few miles of him? Why not flood the streets with Terminators? If all it took was the HAND and processor from the original Terminator to creat Cyberdyne... why not send back just thousands of those items and leave 'em on every street corner? Logic is thrown out the window with these movies and the best take on it was done in Austin Powers 2 when Mike Myers raises the issue of changing the past and affecting the future and he looks into the camera and winks at us and says not to think about it too much.

  • July 2, 2003, 2:06 p.m. CST

    sheesh, am I the ONLY person who likes ALL the Alien movies?

    by TV CASUALTY

    I mean, sure, Alien and Aliens are classics, but I still enjoyed the 3rd and 4th, and cannot WAIT until that big mojo-badass DVD boxed set comes out. That said, T3 brings one word to my mind, and that word is... rental. Sorry, just can't dig it enough to shell out 10 bucks. I don't want to get burned again. Maybe the 10 minutes HArry's looking for will make it to the DVD.

  • July 2, 2003, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Who would have thought that argueably the best movie so far this

    by IndustryKiller

    I saw T3 last night and it was incredible. If the action in this movie is lame than so is the action in the Matrix because at least from a directing standpoint they were exactly even. The fight between the T-800 and the Terminatrix was far more interesting and brutal than any Matrix fight. What isn't to like here? Amazing epic action, good acting and a storyline that advances the mythology of the Terminator world in a manner that makes sense. What else I loved was that it kept and in some ways enhanced the sense of dread and being out of time that T2 displayed. This is actually a far more successful sequel than Reloaded since T3 while part of a larger story still exist as a standalone film whereas Reloaded simply does not exist as anything even resembling an independent story without Revolutions. The only thing I could have asked for is an extra character scene between John and the Terminator, something akin to the car scene from T2. Oh and tone down some of the humor, alot of it worked but it gets excessive when it's so obvious your trying hard to make the audience laugh. But other than that bravo, good times had by all. The only serious gripe you could muster that would actually have merit would be that if Cameron had in fact directed there would be a good chance that we would get even more than what we got. But shit guys that wasn't going to happen and what we got was pretty fucking incredible so relax. I can't imagine what James Cameron would have done to top T3 but thats why I'm such a huge fan of his, he has a vision that seems to exceed expectations.

  • July 2, 2003, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Based on the reviews theres only one possible ending...

    by KryptonsLastSon

    And you don't need SPOILERS!!! to figure it out. The end of the film shows Judgment Day with John surviving to prepare to become the leader of mankind. Weak I suppose but it opens up large scale terminator battles and the time-machine complex discovery/sending Reese back/eventual wiping out of SkyNet by an ADULT John Conner in the next film. No 20 something John please...

  • July 2, 2003, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Terminator is a Doctor Who rip off...

    by TheTARDIS

    1972 - Day of the Daleks, starring Jon Pertwee... Guerrillas from the 22cd century come to present day Earth to kill an important person who will eventually allow the Daleks to take over Earth. (Granted DW had more imagination than Cameron, and had the *good* guys be the ones with the assassination plan.) link: www.physics.mun.ca/~sps/serials/kkk.html

  • July 2, 2003, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Admit it, fat ass Harry: You LOVED Return Of The Jedi

    by fandoylis

    Harry Knowles is a fat ass sanctimonious hypocrite.

  • July 2, 2003, 3:15 p.m. CST

    T3 is superfluous and undermines the previous movies.

    by fandoylis

    'nuff said.

  • July 2, 2003, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Jigga420 is right ...

    by Itchy

    The only movie I want to see Claire Danes starring in is my own personal bukakke flick. You know she'd be up for it.

  • July 2, 2003, 3:27 p.m. CST

    ....listen up losers....................

    by astarfan

    ...where is all this b-movie crap coming from.........T1 was a b-movie..........T2 WASNT.......that was the problem with it....it was too slick, too pop if you will.........T3 is a return to the real roots......and away from Cameron's Titanicization of all the crap he does now........T3 would suck if he was involved.....it is much better without him.........as is the movie industry in general....he is a huge a-hole and ridiculously over-rated!......

  • July 2, 2003, 3:37 p.m. CST

    GREAT FUCKING MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by zillabeast

    go seeeeeeeee!!!!!

  • July 2, 2003, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Saw it last night. Action wasn't too great.

    by Zeldas

    But not too bad. Good B movie. It's nice to know that the TX comes complete with lip gloss. She kinda sucked. I'm just glad that Famke Janssen didn't do it. For once Harry is right, I wanted 10 more min on the ending. Claire Danes surprised me, but I can't picture her all Hamilton-ed out for T4.

  • July 2, 2003, 4:38 p.m. CST

    T4: Attack of the saggy man boobs

    by matrix_sux

    Arnie, do Conan will ya?

  • July 2, 2003, 4:38 p.m. CST

    T3 Rocked!!: TIME TRAVEL LESSON- Listen UP!

    by airojam

    First off, I saw this last night at the 10:45pm show!!! IT FRAGGIN ROCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok, to address all you people whining about Time Travel paradoxes, etc... Here is how it works: You can travel back in time and kill your parents!!! You don't vanish, you just end up in a new alternate reality where you don't exist. You remember your childhood and life FROM THE OTHER REALITY... But in the new reality you are a person with no physical ties to the new timeline... So, it's the same with the Terminator films: The first movie was based on the reality of the fact that it all happened on it's own and SkyNet took control in 1997. From the original future they sent back the terminators to kill Sarah in 1983 and John in 1992. The original paradox of T2 where the machine technology came from the future (the chip from T1) was just a paradox of where an original future was supplanted with a slightly altered version. But, after that movie they were able to push back the timeline, but not alter it drastically... So, in T3 the overall future is the same, but the "start date" was pushed back... So the machines still wanted to send somebody back to kill John, etc... The Only real problem is that the new machines would not be aware of the original history and timeline... They would be coming "back" from a "new" future and not the original one from T1 and T2... But, John could still stop SkyNet and then would just be in a new version of history without machine domination... So there is room for the variations... Movies like Back to the Future tried to use both theories in the same reality and that was WRONG! You can't do that... Ok, I gotta go back to doing work... T3 ROCKED!!!! MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER THAN I HOPED!!!!!!!!! I LOVED IT AND PEOPLE CLAPPED!!!

  • July 2, 2003, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Blah, Blah, Blah, Reloaded Sucks, Blah, Blah, Blah, X2 was bette

    by Mr. Profit

    Enough already. We get it. You hate it. Don't hate on people who liked the film. If you don't like it keep it moving. You are not going to magically make someone who liked the film hate it. I liked it, I liked it a whole lot and thought is was good. I thought some ideas felt a little stiff, but the 1st film upon revisiting is exactly the same. X2 had Xena Special Effects, but it was still good. The Hulk was only really good when he was Hulked Out but it wasn't complete crap. T3 was an enjoyable movie but too short. And Reloaded dragged a bit. And? People should stop the whining and bitching and just take movies for what they are worth instead of acting like a movie has to be the end all be all. We should go see flicks and support our genre movies. Do we all want to revisit the fucking late 80's and early 90's when we had no superhero movies to see? To the haters, stop being so damned spoiled. I'm not telling you all to like everything, just stop being jaded.

  • July 2, 2003, 5:16 p.m. CST

    T3 was great, IMO better than MR and up there w/ T2

    by Lamerz

    Saw T3 last night and it kicks major ass. I went in with somewhat low expectations, that had only been raised a little with the last trailer. The story is great, and the action is intense and unforgiving. I just love the ending, *** POSSIBLE SPOILER *** how we learn that it is he cannot stop fate, but must instead make the most of it. "There is no fate, but what me make" becomes true in a newer better context. *** END POSSIBLE SPOILER *** It is the best surprise I have had this summer, maybe even topping X2 for me. As far as comparisons to other Terminator flicks, this one comes in just about tied with T2 and slightly ahead of T1. Oh, and to the moron who said: "I haven't even seen T3 yet, but there's no way the chase one-ups TM:R. kthxbye." You are an idiot. How the fuck do you know until you've seen the movie. Get a clue. Is it not possible for any other movie to 'one-up' your beloved Matrix? To the other sad Matrix rules all freaks, keep an open mind. Other movies/franchises can be good, too. And the fight scene in the bathroom between T-101 and T-X kicks the crap out of the 100 Agent Smiths fight in MR. To ObscureReference, you are a sad worthless troll. You suck, you pathetic little man/woman/it.

  • July 2, 2003, 5:18 p.m. CST

    T3 was great

    by simongarth2001

    I really dug it. I liked it a hell of alot more than Hulk and reloaded. Best summer flick after x2 to me. The car chase was much better than reloaded. The terminatrix was a sweet new movie villian. I love doom endings, and although this may not be considered doom, it was very cool. I say bring on T4 and lets see the shit really fly!!!!!

  • July 2, 2003, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Wow, was I wrong!!!

    by ewem

    I just got back from seeing T3, with low expecations. I must say I come away very impressed. Is it the all time classic 2 is? No, but it is something that respects the mythos and does the thing right. A lot of things come full circle and you will see major continuity here. Mostow's stock has just gone up and he did well with an impossible set up. Well done to all!

  • July 2, 2003, 5:24 p.m. CST

    SimonGarth - That's what I'M TALKIN 'BOUT!!

    by Lamerz

    Arnie, wait until 2006 to run for California Guv... I wanna see T4!! I wanna see large scale human-machine battles. I wanna see the creation of the time machine. I wanna see the destruction of the machines. BOO-mutha-f**kin-YAAAAA!

  • July 2, 2003, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Rocky III ruled but this movie plain sucks

    by Carl w/ a 'K'

    And that goes for all the terminator movies, they were all horrible and violent and filled with pseudo-science jabberwocky and ho hum action...i hate action...I hate arnold and I hope this so-called independant flick tanks...fuck it, I'm gonna go see hulk again.

  • July 2, 2003, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Karl - you hate action...

    by Lamerz

    ... but you are going to go see Hulk again. Brilliant. Just go see Alex and Emma and be done with it. BTW, Terminator films rule. All of them.

  • July 2, 2003, 6:08 p.m. CST

    ROTJ

    by Rupee88

    ROTJ was a piece of shit from the day it was released. The Ewoks beating up Stormtroopers was enough, but then to have Luke and Leah siblings just took it way over the top...end of story. T3 was nowhere near the level of quality in T2, but it was a good movie. They didn't totally screw it up and made a fun action film....maybe not briliantly creative, but serviceable and greatly entertaining. The Terminatrix is hot and sexy and bad and great in the role. Arnie is fun to see again in his role and Nick Stahl and Clare Danes did good jobs too...just a fun flick.

  • July 2, 2003, 6:24 p.m. CST

    T-800 or T-101

    by Turpulus

    Wasn't Arnold a T-800? Where did this T-101 stuff come from?

  • July 2, 2003, 6:29 p.m. CST

    T800 vs. T-101

    by Lamerz

    Both of those numbers have been used in the previous movies if I remember correctly (maybe just T2?). I think I remember Ahnuld saying something about being a CyberDyne Systems Model 101 or something. Oh, and T3 rocked!

  • July 2, 2003, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Best Number 3?

    by Rex Manning

    3 more days to Halloween Halloween Halloween.....

  • July 2, 2003, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Just got back....

    by El_Duderino

    from T3 and I can honestly say they didn't fuck it up too bad. Not the best #3 ever, but serviceable. I did enjoy it more than Matrix #2, but I'm also hoping that THAT #3 will rawk the shit out of all of 'em. I tried not to go in to T3 with visions of T2 dancing in my head, but it is TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Nothing will match that intensity, and I understand that. I agree with alot of posts regarding a few things: 1) The score was horrible. The entire chase scene went by with no music at all. Did anyone else notice this? And the times that there were themes present in the background of some key scenes, it was flat and had no dark and brooding moodiness like T2 did. AND NO TERMINATOR THEME UNTIL THE END? NOT EVEN AT THE BEGINNING? I was disappointed with that. 2)It was WAAAAAAYYY too short. With a great story idea like that, they couldn't find a way to add some breathtaking battle scenes from the future? The opening sequence was great!!! Let's see more of that! How about some chaotic scenes from the "outside" world? Show in the present day how skynet is slowly taking shape all around the world. They also needed more one-on-one interraction with John and the T-101 (or 800, or whatever). They had a great subplot involving John's connection to this specific model compared to the last one. Explore that!! Like Harry said, go further. At the end, give us AT LEAST ten more minutes. Remind the fans why we should come back to this franchise after 12 years or so, and reward us for doing it!!! Make us hungry for a T4 (not that they havent already). 3) Is it just me, or was the dialogue really hokey? I like the story itself. I really like it. But the direction and dialogue was a bit flat to me. Anyway, after picking it apart, I can still say I enjoyed myself. Probably the second best I've seen this summer, behind X2. And it's definitely worthy of being a part of the franchise. And, by the way, whoever said that Jedi was the weakest of the SW movies is right. Fuckin Ewoks.....out.

  • July 2, 2003, 7:16 p.m. CST

    This Movie ROCKED. Hard.

    by Sherlock_Holmes_

    Wow. Just got back from seeing this, and I have to say it was the first real summer movie this year. It rocked. They nailed it! The car chase BLEW AWAY that lame Matrix chase. The fight scenes were awesome to behold. Arnold is back to being his cool-as-hell self! If he ever does Conan The King, we're in for some magic. GO SEE THIS MOVIE! I won't give anything away except to say that the ending was perfect. Harry's crazy. I don't need that extra 10 minutes. I love the ending. I love this movie.

  • July 2, 2003, 7:21 p.m. CST

    The ending of T3 fucking 0wned you...

    by Lamerz

    I can't say enough about it... especially because a lot of people haven't seen it yet. But I loved it. And DAMMMIT, it makes me want to see a T4!!

  • July 2, 2003, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Might like this, might not, but didn;t like the first Matrix, an

    by JasonDkEldar

  • July 2, 2003, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Just posing some questions

    by Dacolenutt

    I haven't seen T3 yet... I actually plan on seeing T3 in 1 hour and 20 minutes. I did however rent Teminator 1 again and am a proud owner of T2 special edition. As I was watching T1 again to refresh myself, I noticed a couple of things. I noticed when Kyle was interogated at the police department, he stated that anything that was not alive could not go through the time machine. Then how does the T-100 in t2 and TX make back to the past, because they look human, but this was not flesh it was only liquid metal. Also, in part one, there is a scene at the end where Kyle and sarah stick the pipe bomb in the Terminator and blow it to pieces. It shows a perfectly intact leg fall to the ground which we never see in T2, and also in T2 where Arnold gets his arm ripped off in the big gear at the smelting plant. Does anything ever come of these events. Just some typical questions. Peace

  • July 2, 2003, 7:58 p.m. CST

    T2 is highly over rated.

    by JiggamanSpence

    Sure it was a good action movie, but it was also a little drawn out and the ending kinda sucked. I much prefer T1. I just got back from T3 and I liked it better than T2, and I think it was on par with T1. It is definitely the best movie of this summer. Better than the matrix reloaded, and I am a die hard matrix fan so i dont use that phrase lightly. Go see it and enjoy.

  • July 2, 2003, 8:24 p.m. CST

    rocky 5 is the best sequal to anything ever...

    by slade justice

    he takes it back to street level. tommy gunn wants to be the new stallion but he's a bum...a bum ya hear me a bum compared to a true champion like balboa. ROCKY 5 MAN...

  • July 2, 2003, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Arnold is FUCKIN' BACK Baby!

    by repus_reteet

    ...but where did he go? He's always been around, making movies that were, even at their worst, still entertaining. But with T3 he returns, at LONG FUCKIN LAST, to the genre and scope that made him so awesome: action, action ACTION. Iconic action, the way we love it best. He's got that star quality, that undebiable IT thing...that thing that made him much more than just the most popular bodybuilder, into the world's biggest star...remember the 80s? how cool things were? I want KING CONAN, TRUE LIES 2... the same way I want INDY 4, ROCKY 6, RAMBO 4...but I want them done well...I want things done well, as T3 was done...which was better than I could have ever hoped for. Peace - repus

  • July 2, 2003, 8:49 p.m. CST

    2010 Winter Olympics

    by kferris61

    Woo Hoo! Vancouver-Whistler got them. This is much more exciting than some dumb robot movie!!!! Woo! Hoo!

  • July 2, 2003, 9:03 p.m. CST

    t3

    by arjaybee

    test

  • July 2, 2003, 9:07 p.m. CST

    T800 / 101 EXPLAINED FOR THE IDIOTS

    by Autodidact

    The arnie terminator is a T-800 SERIES, MODEL 101. T-800 is the endoskeleton, 101 is the Arnold skin. The number 101 implies that it is the first in its series, which would likely make it the most abundant model, which would explain how 3 of the exact same model have been sent back. ***** It's no wonder Hollywood is dumbing movies down, people hardly understand movies anymore. I lost all respect for Harry's reviews when he complained about missing werewolves and vampires in Reloaded. Also, the part of his review where he complained about them not showing the destruction of Zion. Clearly, he didn't understand the plot and then bashed the movie due to his confusion. Swallow your pride, watch the movie again, and admit you like it all you haters. Especially you Harry.*****Maybe Harry would have liked REloaded better if it had dead raped deer in it.

  • July 2, 2003, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Crane Technique

    by phelion2

    The crane chase made this by itself worth watching. The deliciously unbridled carnage of heavy machinery on this scale is pure bliss. I ride around in a boom truck all day delivering drywall and dream of the carnage that this 15 ton Tool of Death could create, but watching the crane chew up poles, cars and buildings on both sides of the street made those dreams seem small in comparison. Overall, though, the film lacked the acoustic punch of T2, both in the score and the flow of the sound f/x in concert with the action. I think the intention was to make Cameron go; The force is with you young Mastow, but you are not a Jedi yet!

  • July 2, 2003, 9:18 p.m. CST

    T3 - What a great time at the movies....

    by arjaybee

    Just got back from T3...a movie I didn't have on my pre "gotta see it this summer" movie list due to some very lame trailers. I gotta say T3 is right up there with X2 as the best movie so far this summer. This movie is a great, big, fun ride! Kicks, Matrix Reloaded's ass. The first half hour is better than all of Hulk. This film makes the Terminator series the best trilogy in movie history and makes me want a Terminator 4 more than any part 3 of any movie has ever made me want a part 4. A Terminator fan couldn't ask for more that what was delivered here (other than another 1/2 hour of movie at the end). I believe the running time was perfect...it was lean and mean and leaves you wanting more. It works as a wrap up for the trilogy and leaves you wanting more all at the same time! I agree with most of Harry's review, except I think I enjoyed it better than he did. Finally a summer movie that exceeds expectations (again with the possible exception of X2)! Dare I say bring on Tomb Raider 2!?! LOL.

  • July 2, 2003, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Anyone got a good picture of Kristanna Loken's ass?

    by MisterE

    I'm trying to decide if I'm going to see this or not.

  • July 2, 2003, 9:46 p.m. CST

    The film I saw didn't need an additional ten minutes added to it

    by EL Duderino

    The film ended in the only way it could have, and saying that you don't see how Connor grows during this movie and especially at the close... what else did you want? If it wasn't just for the simple act he performed, then surely the voice over helped clear up what he had learned. Overall, I was extremely impressed with T3, definately Arnold's best film since... well, Terminator 2. My biggest grudge is in how the film started, but once things got rolling my heart never stopped pounding against my chest like a caged canarie trying to escape. Great job Mostow! By far the biggest surprise of the year thus far! Who would have thought this could kick ass?

  • July 2, 2003, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Connor's age doesn't jive

    by Mandalore15

    In T2, John Connor's birthday is revealed to be 2/28/85 on the police computer that the T-1000 is using. In T3, John says he was 13 when the T-1000 came after him. If he was born in 1985, this would place the events of T2 in the year 1998, the year after the original Judgement Day. Anyone else catch this?

  • July 2, 2003, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Ghosts in the Machine?

    by Devil'sOwn

    Whoo-wee. Lordy. Y'know, from a movie I didn't expect much from I'm really impressed by the positive reviews! However , I wish I could say I was surprised by all the nitpicking and snotty movie bashing. Thanks for making us all reek of urine, ya nimrods. Near as I can figure, when a film is released, especially one that's much anticipated, ya have a few probable responses: 1)The movie lives up to your expectations; No problemo. 2)The movie exceeds your reckoning of what you thought it would be and you leave the theater a happy camper with a joyous memory that will last you a lifetime. Aaaaannndd... 3) The movie falls so far below your preconcieved notions of what cinematic nirvana should be (and this does't happen to me very often) that you feel played, bamboozled, nea, VIOLATED and bitch an' moan like a menopausal housewife and go to forums where you can shat on everyone else's effervescence. I'm fucking sick of these dickwads crying about The Matrix: Reloaded and The Hulk. Mentally handicapped asses! Take a goddamn laxative an' release your neurosis. I'm not gonna defend Reloaded, it was what it was; a summer scifi action flick- get over th' contemplations on the nature of humans and machines. Sorry it didn't blow yer skirts up, but I believe you've whined about it enough to last us a thousand lifetimes! As for the Hulk, man, look. Your process is ALL fucked up!! Clearly it was better than it had to be. First a buncha toads bellyache about the cgi Hulk- He's a large green man-monster, which so far as I've been able to gather does not exist. How "real" did you loser dicklicks expect 'im to look?! Then, there was an onslaut of real winners of the ADD generation who bleated on about the story, the science, the actors and their performances, and Ang Lee's artistic choices. Jesus jump back! Was it the be-all, end-all of comic book fantasy, scifi action movies? Certainly not. Was it deserving of all the sorry-ass condemnation? Hell nah!! Cheer up boys an' wipe away those tears. Maybe if yyer reall good an' say yer prayers an' take all yer vitamins, the extaordianary Michael Bay, or the fabulous Jerry Bruckheimer'll make the sequel, an' yea, you shall be redeemed. Peace out.

  • July 2, 2003, 10:21 p.m. CST

    the plot to T4

    by expat555

    John Connor changes his name to "Kyle Reese"...The fully adult John Connor is played by Michael Biehn who with the help of CGI is made to look 20 years younger...He goes back through time, fucks his own mother, becomes his own father...The End

  • July 2, 2003, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Glad to help.

    by Devil'sOwn

    Like I said, in some situations those are the likely reactions. Hello? Don't misinterpret what I said. I don't think I used any ambiguous terminology that could be taken out of context. If you aren't happy with the movie you have seen, that sucks. Not one to waste cash, I try to go see only the movies I really think are worth my time, that I'm going to enjoy. Once in a while I do come out of the theater feeling cheated, baffled, and/or just plain dissappointed. I wasn't speaking in absolutes. Ofcourse you're gonna criticize aspects of the movie, good and bad, and I love to hear the other side of an issue. I just think a lot of people go above and beyond the call when it comes to shittalking. If you don't like something, fine. But either you have a valid point, or it's just not your personal preference, OR you're oversimplifying things and jumping on a bandwagon. Your welcome. And don't EVER get pissy with me.

  • July 2, 2003, 11:11 p.m. CST

    The best third chapter is (and always will be), without quesion

    by Rollo Tomassi

    "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade", maybe the most perfect popcorn entertainment movie ever made. Even in "The Return of the King" is the best "LOTR" movie, it still can only EQUAL "Last Crusade", not surpass. I really there is a small but vocal minority out there that doesn't appreciate the masterpiece that is "Last Crusade". There is also a vocal minority that says we faked the Apollo moon landings. Volume doesn't make either argument any less ludicrous.

  • July 2, 2003, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Sorry I miss Cameron and Hamilton!

    by BladetheOriginal

    I even miss Furlong. Saw T2-Judgement Day last night and I agree with Harry, Linda Hamilton is the soul of the Terminator saga. I haven't seen T3 yet and maybe I'll change my mind. I probably will enjoy it because my expectations for the film are low just as I was disappointed with Matrix Reloaded because my expectations were so high.

  • July 2, 2003, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Virus Origin?

    by dackr1

    SPOLIER ALERT Just a thought, but when the TX used the cell phone to get the addresses of her targets, could she have also unleashed the virus as well? Did anyone get the number that she dialed?

  • July 2, 2003, 11:48 p.m. CST

    T3: Campy

    by teezeCrost

    Why did Jonathan Mostow blow all the one-liners and comic relief in the 1st 1/2 hour? There was absolutely no tension in this movie because every time you got into the movie, it'd be like "Hey look what the funny emotionless robot's doing! oh arnie, will you ever learn?!" A lot of awesome action sequences etc in this movie, but I didn't believe for a second that these people feared for their lives. I'd watch T2 again before T3. And Reloaded kicks the shiza out of it.

  • July 2, 2003, 11:57 p.m. CST

    T4 Spoiler: A Terminator goes back in time to terminate Harry Kn

    by Regis Travolta

    This Talkback board and this entire website will not exist after Terminator 4 so let's enjoy it now while we still have it. Then we can look forward to seeing a much more improved female Terminatrix squeeze the life out of Harry when she seduces him at age 21 before he ever started Ain't It Cool News.

  • July 2, 2003, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Good movie

    by Hunker_Dawg

    Arnold was great! Glad he killed the bad terminator lady. Too bad the world blew up anyway! Where was the mom? that general guy caused all the problems didn't he. stupid that the bad terminator killed at the leutinants! Claire danes is hot and is the mom of john connr's babies...weird!

  • July 3, 2003, 12:01 a.m. CST

    It actually makes sense...

    by Metatron

    This movie wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be, infact, it brought the mobius loop of the series full-circle. Judgment Day is inevitable. We learn that tragic fact from Arnold's T-800. The remnant of the first Terminator's chip and mangled arm only *accelerated* the onset of the nuclear war. The date was always "supposed" to be in 2003, NOT 1997. The futuristic CPU technology acquired by Cyberdyne only helped achieve the A.I. for Skynet quicker... Miles Dyson was NOT the creator, he was only a peripheral stimulator. It can be inferred that Skynet had been in production for years, and that the events at the end of T:2 only temporarily slowed its ability to gain sentience. We discover that its ability to be self-aware is instead caused by the vast network of the internet... no central CPU is needed. So, here's the real brain teaser - the moment John Conner sent Reese back to impregnate Sarah, he doomed humankind to nuclear war. The paradox is this: if Judgment Day never happens, he will never lead the resistance, and he will never send his father back to be conceived. The very fact the he is ALIVE means that Judgment Day HAS to occur. There is no escaping. He is a paradox, he cannot prevent the end of the world, he can only rise above it and fulfill the inevitable destiny of his own conception. I found myself very effected by the end of the movie, at the realization of humanity's destruction. The moment Kate Brewster knows that they were meant only to survive, the first desperate calls over the radio... absolutely chilling. Of course, the stage was set for a fourth movie; most likely to see Kate as a hardened female warrior like Sarah, leading the resistance with her husband (as nuclear war has happened, and can no longer be stopped). Perhaps we will see the T-800 from T:3 in his attempt to assassinate the adult John, maybe we'll even see John send his own father back in time (this will bring the series full circle). Kate and John's children have significance enough to be mentioned in the film - perhaps we will see what impact they have on the survival of humanity. Either way, the events of T:4 will be set in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

  • July 3, 2003, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Will there be a T4?

    by T-MACK 1.01

    Why did they have to wait three generations between these movies, because Arnold is the lifeblood of this series, and I hope he can still pump the iron in the coming years. God, I hope we see a T4, because after seeing T3, I WANT to know what happens next. Hey Knowles, I agree, but I'd like to see your extra 10 minutes turned into the next film.

  • July 3, 2003, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Seriously Matrix Fanboys, Nobody Gives a Shit About Your Movie

    by vash666

    I liked the original Matrix. I own it. I own and loved the Animatrix. Hell, I even own the videogame and that wasn't half bad either...but the movie is a fucking waste, period. You frothing, stupid, pitiful fanboys are so lodged onto the Warchowski's stick that all your objectivity is gone. And so everytime a new movie comes out, you monkeys waste talkback space raving about how the Matrix: RE was better. Hell, several of you twats praised this movie before you ever saw more than 5 minutes of actual footage. Well, here's the final count: that shitty, wasted, overblown production could not even generate the revenue of Attack of the Clones, the 5th fucking film in a 20+ year old franchise. Revolutions will make even less by the way, and just to twist the knife in a little deeper and make you lame ass twits squeal even louder, there is a very good reason why Revolutions is being released in Novemeber: Return of the King would own it's fucking ass in December and trounce Revolutions into the dust of its own medicority. Oh and one more thing: the Matrix isn't intelligent Sci-fi. The first film was stylish and fun but all this layered complexity and nuanced depth simply does not exist in these films. The Warchowskis are, at best, really clever thiefs who have lifted some very cool concepts from some infintely more talented artists than themselves. That explains why the Animatrix is so much more interesting than the actual film. Anyways, in closing, nobody gives a fuck about the Matrix sequel. It was so bad that it has actually diminished the achievement of the original. You loud and vocal sack-lickers can continue the veneration of this dreck if you wish; the rest of us still crave quality. Lastly, to all those who consistantly bash Harry, make personal attacks about his weight, etc., fuck you, your mothers, your sisters, and any other pussy in your household. This is his site and the fact that this guy tolerates the stream of shit that flows from several of you is a testimony to how much integrity this guy has. If you hate him so much, go to somewhere else. You won't be missed.

  • July 3, 2003, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Matrix Movies ROCK!

    by Hunker_Dawg

    vash666 licked my balls and john connor is killed in the future by the terminator who comes back to save him. Lick that Lord of the Rings fanboy cocksucker!

  • July 3, 2003, 12:52 a.m. CST

    I love how the dude gets excited!

    by teezeCrost

    check out vash666. You know he's hardcore because he got the number of the BEAST in his name!!! Reloaded only sucked for people who wanted to have the plot spelled out for them again as in the 1st one. Superior effects and style and a story that's not afraid to leave people who are too lazy to think in the dark. go ahead, eat that. I'll await your run-on sentence with countless exclaimation points.

  • July 3, 2003, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Friggin' Brilliant...

    by Sneako

    Half way through T3, I was bashing myself for considering this pre-concieved action movie fodder, as being...quite damn good. I actually enjoyed it more than T2. Mostow took the story to where it had to go, and it pays off trememndously. The three main characters (or four, since Sarah Connor has sort of an ominous presence), are ones to care for. Nick Stahl was totally believable as John, unlike Edward Furlong, who always irritated me. And Claire Danes wasn't annoying. That's a feat. And Arnie, good ole' Arnie. Brilliant. Best movie of the summer.

  • July 3, 2003, 1:21 a.m. CST

    in response to : fandoylis

    by Kryptonite Red

    You state that the movie is and I quote " T3 is superfluous and undermines the previous movies. " Are you using the word superfluos to mean redundant or extra or what? How can something be both redundant and undermining all at once. If it's redundant, then that means it's the same as only extra.... therefore it does not undermine but instead add's to the movie. P.S. best summer movie I've seen in a long while but in my opinion, was way too short.

  • July 3, 2003, 1:26 a.m. CST

    John Connor Conundrum (Possible) Solution

    by Ebullient

    Arnold as the Terminator is an iconic character from an indelible storyline from my movie youth. After watching T3, I was inspired by a possible answer to a discrepancy T1 raises but never sufficiently answers. If the Biehn character returns in time to not only protect Sarah but father John, it is impossible for John to exist in the original timeline. Ideal machines are near infallible, but can never be above imperfection and, through chicanery, can be duped. Suppose John Connor does indeed spearhead the human resistance against the machines, though he is a separate and distinct individual from the one we know through the movies - except for the coincidence of sharing identical names. Remember that alternative Sarah Connors other than the intended target perished in T1 because of the misfortune of sharing names with the heroine? It stands to reason that other men exist named John Connor other than the one who will threaten Skynet. If we go one step further, we can speculate that the resistance became aware of the plot to time travel and assassinate John in his past. If John is invaluable to the survival of humankind, the resistance leaders, including himself, might accept collteral damage to ensure his safety. Hackers, another component of the resistance, might be tasked to create a false trail that leads to the Sarah Connor we meet in T1, while obliterating any records that might be left behind and point to the real Connor's parents or his existence prior to Judgement Day. Perhaps the hackers decieve Skynet by indicating Sarah resides in Los Angeles, when the real Connor and family lived hundreds or thousands of miles from that location. L.A. has multiple Connors, and the photo Biehn has might be another of the false clues planted, unbeknownst to him or Skynet, to indicate that this Sarah Connor is the genuine target. By sheer serendipity, she is the last target located in T1 and, with the appearance of Biehn and his unwavering faith (and incipient love) that she must be the one destined to mother the future leader of humankind. Biehn fathers a child, who turns out be a son, so Sarah indoctrinates him to become a savior for us all, when in fact he is not the leader at all and only falsely assumes as much because of the exploits continued in T2. Thus, this John leads his life based on information given to him from the future Terminators and Biehn from the real John Connor's life. In T3, John learns how he dies, but what if this refers to the death of the other and authentic John, enabling the John we know to survive and continue fighting. Arnold has only been programmed to know how John dies, but might be unable to distinguish that it was the other John because he is not uploaded with that information. This allows the mantra, 'No fate but we make,' to ring true. All along the John we know is free to make the choices he desires, but feels limited because he is misled to believe he is someone else. What if the real Connor dies in a climactic battle leading to the demise of Skynet, and in a last ditch effort it sends the T-800 and the two protoypes slated to supplant it (Patrick and Loken) to different points in time (which increases its chances) to terminate John. However, it fails even before it begins when it goes after the wrong mother and son. The resistance, as detailed in the film, becomes savvy to the plot and sends the defenders to give credibility to the ruse that Skynet has acquired the right target, while the other one is safe from all harm and able to grow and lead the resistance. Thus, in a twist of poetic justice, the John we know is given life because of this misinformation planted by the resistance, but also has his life robbed from him because he is hunted and haunted with his foreknowledge of the future and his supposed role in it. However, as a fan of happy endings, what if our John discovers the one true method to thwart Skynet from assuming control once and for all, and towards the conclusion of T4 travels back in time to thwart the finale depicted in T3 from ever occurring? It appears that Cyberdyne only followed a parallel path to Terminator development because of the arm and memory chip left behind in T1. However, in T2 we see this problem solved with the destruction of Cyberdyne and its research. All that remains is reversing the fateful decision we see in T3 - perhaps stopping the virus that Skynet created to be activated or bringing Brewster's father to the future to see the consequences of his actions and afterwards returning him to really decide if wishes to enter Y or N on that keyboard, which would precede him dismantling the project and, if Hollywood will allow a franchise to go, perhaps the Terminator will not be back, except in DVD boxed sets or Artisan re-issues!

  • July 3, 2003, 2:10 a.m. CST

    "Among recent sci-fi pictures, Hulk is in the tradition of scien

    by IndustryKiller

    And other critics have echoed this comment. This just proves that mainstream critics know absolutely NOTHING about film and only have jobs because they can speak eloquently enough to fool the cronically dumbfounded masses. Let's just take all the mainstream critics, drag them into a public street, douse them in gasoline, and roast some fucking marshmallows. It's moronic statements like these that more good films like T-3 aren't made and instead we get unargueably awful dreck like The Mummy. Tiome after time I watch these hacks give better reviews to bad movies for ridiculous reasons. For instance when entertainment weekly gave Pearl Harbor a decent review because the movie wasn't completely made up of action sequences. The case is the same right now with the Hulk. Well bad drama is just as bad if not worse than bad action dumbasses and as hindsight has shown Pearl Harbor is now considered a horrible fillm that isn't just content with being bad filmmaking but also trivializes one of the most catastrophic events in American History. I would like the makers of T3 to ignore the comments of these bafoons. The overwhelming majority is very pleased with T3 it's an intelligent action extravaganza that ins't "dumbed down" in the least and we love you for it. Keep it up.

  • July 3, 2003, 2:12 a.m. CST

    I agree with teezeCrost

    by vicefredav

    You summed up why people didnt like matrix: RE perfectly, exactly what I was thinking I just couldnt get the words right. Also just wanted to add that you cant judge the movie yet because you've only seen half of the whole overall story and movie. It sucks how people think if a movie doesnt live up to their expectations its not OK or even decent for all the meticulous hardwork they put into it, no no its just absolutely HORRIBLE, worst movie ever. PS: T3, second best movie I've seen this summer next to The Matrix Reloaded. I thought they would screw it up big time but I just wanted it to continue so bad and then to find out its even better now. loved how they connected all the dots and made sense of it all

  • July 3, 2003, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Ugh. You dismiss MATRIX:RELOADED and T3 "damn smart"? The firs

    by HappyHamster

    Not to diss T3 which is a fine film (much better than expected), but you are as shallow freshly windexed sheet of glass. Calling T3 "damn smart" is like calling Pauly Shore "damn funny". I'm not sure if I've ever read a "revenge review" before, but if there were such a thing, this would be it.

  • July 3, 2003, 2:26 a.m. CST

    T3 & Matrix

    by Kryptonite Red

    I liked both of them. BUT the 10 minutes spent on the artsy fartsy group groping/orgy scene that was thrown in Matrix was gratuitous at best. It had no purpose in the movie except to add time to it. If someone doesn't like Matrix reloaded...cool. I can certainly understand why. What I dont get is the hate responses..Like "your just too stoopid to understand it. Thats why you don't like it." What was there to get. It's not like there is some world religion based around the music of the Wyld Stalyons.....oops wrong movie. (Mr. Reeves at his best) Point is, there was nothing to get... there was no supernatural overtones to it. As far as him stoping the attack at the end...perhaps they are still in the matrix......GASP....don't say it's so...maybe maybe not.. but who cares. It is what it is. A MOVIE..... meant to take your money for a few hours of entertainment. Oh well just thought I'd rant for a while. BTW LOTR will be the best flick of the year. So "be most excellent to one another."

  • July 3, 2003, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Difference between T-800 & T-850

    by Jediknight1940

    The official movie storybook says the T1 Arnold is the T-800 Series 100, the T2 Arnold is the T-800 Series 101, and the T3 Arnold is the T-850. Even the Warner Bros. T3 website says this. These sources say nothing about the differences between the T-800 and T-850. I went seeing the movie expecting an explaination/clarification but wuz disappointed. Guess the answer was left on the editing room floor.

  • July 3, 2003, 2:42 a.m. CST

    T & T2 were made by an artist, T3 was made by a technician......

    by Jediknight1940

    With that said, I still found T3 watchable, if a bit uninspiring. It lacks the fun of it's predecessors. It's a utilitarian movie whose main purpose was to set up future sequels.

  • July 3, 2003, 3:22 a.m. CST

    HARRY KNOWLES IS ON CRACK

    by D. Tyranus

    OK FIRST OF ALL THIS WAS THE SHITTIEST FUCKING WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT FILM I'VE SEEN SINCE MIB2- A BLASPHEMOUS REHASH OF THE PLOT OF THE SECOND FILM, AND AN ALL AROUND FAILURE THAT SOMEHOW MANAGES TO BE MIND-NUMBINGLY STUPID ON ALMOST EVERY LEVEL, ANYONE WHO LIKE THIS FILM DESERVES TO HAVE A LOBOTOMY AND BRAIN REPLACEMENT SO YOU CAN TELL A GOOD FILM... FROM A TURD FILM. GOOD GOD, IF I WERE MR. CAMERON RIGHT ABOUT NOW I'D BE WEEPING MY TO MIND HAND SCREAMING "FUCK! WHY GOD WHY? WHAT HAS THIS FUCKUP MOSTOW DONE TO MY CREATION AND WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?" HARRY TALKS ABOUT "THIS MOVIE HAS SURPRISES"- THE ONLY SURPRISE IS HOW GODDAMN GOD AWFUL THE PRECEEDINGS ARE. KRITANNA LOKEN HAS ONE EXPRESIION ON HER BLAND FACE, IS OBVIOUSLY DUBBED AND ABOUT AS EXCITING AS THE EMPTY SPACE BETWEEN ARNIE'S EARS. HONESTLY, WHEN DID THE FUCKING KILLING MACHINE TRERMINATOR TURN INTO A PATHETIC CLOWNSHOE JOKE MACHINE? HE UTTERS RECYCLED QUIPS AND IS NOTING MORE THAN JAR JAR BINKS WITH SHADES ON- MY GOD YOU PEOPLE WHO LIKED THIS FILM, DON'T YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST TWO TERMINATORS THEIR GENUINE EXCITEMENT? THEIR CREATIVITY? THEIR PLOT TWISTS? HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF A FAN AND WATCH THIS SHIT WITHOUT BLEEDING FROM THE EYES? IN THE WORDS OF MORIARTY, "SHAME ON YOU!" SHAME ON ALL OF YOU- AND SHAME ON HARRY, BIG GUY YOU'RE CLEARLY THE BY-PRODUCT OF WHAT I CALL STAR WARS PITIFUL FANBOY DELUSION- THAT'S WHEN A PITIFUL STAR WARS FANBOY WANTS THE PREQUEL TO BE SO GOOD THAT WHEN IT SUCKS COCK (AS THEY BOTH HAVE), AS A KNEE JERK REACTION, HE CONVINCES HIMSELF THAT IT WAS GOOD. THAT'S YOU.- ON A FINAL NOTE THIS FILM NEGATES EVERYTHING THAT CAME BEFORE IT- IT FUCKED THE GOOD NAME OF TERMINATOR- IT FUCKED THE STORYLINE AND IT MIGHT AS WELL HAVE FUCKED ME AS IF IWAS CLINGING TO THE KITCHEN SINK IN A JAIL CELL TAKING IT UP THE ASS FROM A 400 POUND GORILLA NAMED MISTY. NOW I'M GOING TO TAKE SOME PHENOBARBITAL AND GO TO SLEEP- I MUST WASH DOWN THE AWFUL TASTE OF THIS FOUL FAILURE OF UTTER STUPIDITY AMOUNTING TO LESS THAN YOUR AVERAGE PILE OF SOLID HUMAN WASTE. TONIGHT I GET DRUNK- REMEMBER THINGS THAT WERE- AND REMEMBER A TIME WHEN THE TERMINATOR WAS MORE THAN JUST A SHITTY JOKE WITH NO FUCKING PUNCHLINE. AU REVOIR

  • July 3, 2003, 3:23 a.m. CST

    "Harry, You Ignorant Slut" you forgot "Indiana Jones and the Las

    by mustang_dvs

    Maybe not the best movie ever made, but a damn fine third installment of a fantastic serial.

  • July 3, 2003, 3:23 a.m. CST

    HARRY KNOWLES IS ON CRACK

    by D. Tyranus

    OK FIRST OF ALL THIS WAS THE SHITTIEST FUCKING WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT FILM I'VE SEEN SINCE MIB2- A BLASPHEMOUS REHASH OF THE PLOT OF THE SECOND FILM, AND AN ALL AROUND FAILURE THAT SOMEHOW MANAGES TO BE MIND-NUMBINGLY STUPID ON ALMOST EVERY LEVEL, ANYONE WHO LIKE THIS FILM DESERVES TO HAVE A LOBOTOMY AND BRAIN REPLACEMENT SO YOU CAN TELL A GOOD FILM... FROM A TURD FILM. GOOD GOD, IF I WERE MR. CAMERON RIGHT ABOUT NOW I'D BE WEEPING MY TO MIND HAND SCREAMING "FUCK! WHY GOD WHY? WHAT HAS THIS FUCKUP MOSTOW DONE TO MY CREATION AND WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?" HARRY TALKS ABOUT "THIS MOVIE HAS SURPRISES"- THE ONLY SURPRISE IS HOW GODDAMN GOD AWFUL THE PRECEEDINGS ARE. KRITANNA LOKEN HAS ONE EXPRESIION ON HER BLAND FACE, IS OBVIOUSLY DUBBED AND ABOUT AS EXCITING AS THE EMPTY SPACE BETWEEN ARNIE'S EARS. HONESTLY, WHEN DID THE FUCKING KILLING MACHINE TRERMINATOR TURN INTO A PATHETIC CLOWNSHOE JOKE MACHINE? HE UTTERS RECYCLED QUIPS AND IS NOTING MORE THAN JAR JAR BINKS WITH SHADES ON- MY GOD YOU PEOPLE WHO LIKED THIS FILM, DON'T YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST TWO TERMINATORS THEIR GENUINE EXCITEMENT? THEIR CREATIVITY? THEIR PLOT TWISTS? HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF A FAN AND WATCH THIS SHIT WITHOUT BLEEDING FROM THE EYES? IN THE WORDS OF MORIARTY, "SHAME ON YOU!" SHAME ON ALL OF YOU- AND SHAME ON HARRY, BIG GUY YOU'RE CLEARLY THE BY-PRODUCT OF WHAT I CALL STAR WARS PITIFUL FANBOY DELUSION- THAT'S WHEN A PITIFUL STAR WARS FANBOY WANTS THE PREQUEL TO BE SO GOOD THAT WHEN IT SUCKS COCK (AS THEY BOTH HAVE), AS A KNEE JERK REACTION, HE CONVINCES HIMSELF THAT IT WAS GOOD. THAT'S YOU.- ON A FINAL NOTE THIS FILM NEGATES EVERYTHING THAT CAME BEFORE IT- IT FUCKED THE GOOD NAME OF TERMINATOR- IT FUCKED THE STORYLINE AND IT MIGHT AS WELL HAVE FUCKED ME AS IF IWAS CLINGING TO THE KITCHEN SINK IN A JAIL CELL TAKING IT UP THE ASS FROM A 400 POUND GORILLA NAMED MISTY. NOW I'M GOING TO TAKE SOME PHENOBARBITAL AND GO TO SLEEP- I MUST WASH DOWN THE AWFUL TASTE OF THIS FOUL FAILURE OF UTTER STUPIDITY AMOUNTING TO LESS THAN YOUR AVERAGE PILE OF SOLID HUMAN WASTE. TONIGHT I GET DRUNK- REMEMBER THINGS THAT WERE- AND REMEMBER A TIME WHEN THE TERMINATOR WAS MORE THAN JUST A SHITTY JOKE WITH NO FUCKING PUNCHLINE. AU REVOIR

  • July 3, 2003, 3:56 a.m. CST

    -=SPOILER!!=- JOHNNY 5 WAS A TERMINATOR in T3 I SWEAR!!!

    by Rcamacho2278

    Hahahah the movie still kicked ass and fuck everyone elses opinions and reviews. Hulk and matrix ruled.

  • July 3, 2003, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Ebullient, thats a lot of shit...

    by FNORDknt

    And I can't believe I read it...

  • July 3, 2003, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Ebullient, thats a lot of snizza...

    by FNORDknt

    And I can't believe I read it all...

  • July 3, 2003, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Why does it seem like I'm the only one who didn't like this???

    by movie_mike

    First off, I love Arnold movies. I also love Cameron movies. A Cameron movie this was not. Now I'm not sure if anyone else caught this, but here are a few minor problems that I may have missed something on: 1. We saw how the TX found Kate, but how did Arnold? He just "shows up"? Weird. 2. How the hell did John and Co. get into the military facilty to see Kate's dad without being stopped. Yeah, yeah, Arnold was with them, but wouldn't there be some sort or security warning? 3. When they turned on the big magnet and the TX got stuck to it, why wouldn't John and Kate stick to it too? Are you telling me the watches they were wearing, the buttons on their clothes, jewelry Kate was wearing, and the bombs in John's backpack, plus other misc. stuff wouldn't have STUCK TO THAT AT ALL?!?!? Why do you think you have to take off everything metal from watches to gold necklaces and whatnot for an MRI? Cause it's a big damn magnet and it'll stick. 4. Kate just "happens" to be a pilot of the civilian plane that the military let her dad keep at a TOP SECRET military installation? Please. "Hey, look John, it's the same plane I trained on!!!" We've just gone from Terminator to 007. 5. They fly to the "other" Top Secret Fall Out Shelter and the front door is UNLOCKED?!?!? I know the blast door isn't, but the front door has no lock? What in the hell? 6. Kate is a smart and kickass character. Always one upping John in the ass kicking category... yet when Arnold goes to kill John, she jumps on his back like some stupid box? Retarded and degrading to the character. 7. The TX flies a helicopter in and somehow finds then in the shelter. She's pretty advanced, I'll buy that. But then Arnold does another "How convenient, I found you" schtick. In the first movie, he relied on a phone book to find Sarah. Now he uses telepathy. I really, REALLY wanted to like this movie and I know I'm being nit-picky. But this is the type of nit-pickiness that Cameron usually doesn't overlook. He thinks about stuff, crosses his T's and dots his I's. There were a few other complaints I had too... -The Score had no theme. It was as cheap as any made for TV movie -Kate being engaged did nothing to move the story or help her character. -Arnold's exploding battery pack was a little too convenient as well. If that was the case, why wouldn't he have used that in T2? If he didn't think it would've killed a T-1000, it definately wouldn't have killed a TX. But who knows, maybe Arnold's cyborg from the second one "just forgot". -Why is it that Arnold couldn't remember any of the events from T2 (I know it's a different robot) but he used these childhood memories of John to kill him in the future? Something doesn't jive there. -The score REALLY sucked. -John did no ass kicking. Just shot a pistol at the end into empty space to see the TX was in that military installation after they flew in. WTF? -No soldiers were present in the military installation where there was an attack on Kate's dad. Right... It was up to Kate and John to save the day. No one else had guns. How cool. -The Score sucked Hard -If Sarah Connor had Leukimia, that would've effected her in T2. The events in that movie happened in 1997, the same year she died from it. A person with leukimia that advanced would've been bed-ridden for the most part, unless T2 happened in 1994 and John was only 10, instead of 13 like T3 said. -Did anyone else think that most of the actors carried "little to no" presence except Claire Danes? Her dad sucked, Nick Stahl was okay but seemed uncomfortable, and Kristanna Lokken was just... Hot yes, but not scary. Didn't ever keep you on the edge of your seat. Maybe I'll see this again and like it more... hopefully with fingers crossed... Anywho, I just didn't like Mostow's directing. I was really pretty juvenile. But you have no idea how happy I am that you all liked it, cause I love this series, and want it to continue, not go the way or Predator or Alien (Paul Anderson should kill that again too). I'm really looking forward to T4 but hopefully under some different writers, and some different direction. Hopefully when all the dust settles, I'll be in the minority of people who found this movie a bit of a dud. If you think about it, a lot is riding on this movie. If it flops, will we get: -True Lies 2 -Total Recall 2 -Conan: Crown of Iron -Terminator 4,5,6...etc. and I'm sure other 80's stars are standing by like Stallone to move ahead with a forth Rambo movie. Anywho, enough babbling, what do you guys think of my complaints?

  • July 3, 2003, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Someone explain the end of T3 please

    by SPYKE

  • July 3, 2003, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Will someone please explain T3's ending

    by SPYKE

  • July 3, 2003, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Reloaded? Hulk? Both Terminated!

    by krylite

    Notice how Reloaded and Hulk dropped their B.O. faster han AOTC? At least Lucas was better at promoting his crap. And ROTJ sucked. I remember watching ROTJ in 1983 and seeing Leia talking to that teddy bear. I hoped the movie would move on, but horribly we had to see their village and raccoonlike cubs and all plus all those idiotic action figures of Ewoks on TV commercials. And I can proudly say the only "figures" I ever got about SW was one X-Wing Fighter, ESB edition. Remember the Animatrix? The history of the robots could look like it completely swiped off of Terminator with the lame-o "variation" that the robots needed humans as "batteries". I'm so glad T3 was independently(of Hollywood management)produced just as the LOTR films are. American greed by rich studio bastards always pushes souless flash over quality and take fan support as expendable. T3 terminates Reloaded and Hulk and is the movie of the summer. However, movie of he year, and trilogy of the next 20 years is LOTR.

  • July 3, 2003, 6:29 a.m. CST

    My thoughts

    by DouglasAH

    The Terminator movies are more relevant than ever as we get closer to actually building intelligent war machines, etc. So it was an ideal time to bring back the franchise, I just hope they follow through with a fourth film. It would've felt contrived and pointless to reintroduce SkyNet and the machines and then say, "well, we stopped it" again. That also would've been ignoring the simple observation from T2, "it is in your nature to destroy yourselves." Fact, killing Dyson wouldn't kill his idea. Heck, that'd almost be a depressing thought. Fact, destroying Cyberdyne wouldn't stop research in their field any more than shutting down Napster stopped file-swapping. John Connor, like humanity, got another six years from their attempt to prevent Judgment Day, every day of it a gift. And he squandered it. I'd like to see the next film touch on that. He was unprepared. With or without Arnold, I'd like to see a fourth film. I think that, with the team that got this one right, it could work even without Arnie's screen presence.

  • July 3, 2003, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Good review Harry

    by krylite

    Harry has written an excellent review this time with just the right amount of nostalgia and past frame of reference and then an honest insightful review. Low or no expectations sure do help and Harry's mistake in reviewing AOTC was he was too pumped up that time. All we had left for T3 was just a hope it wouldn't be just another in a long slew of crap designed to capitalize on audience polling and analysis by greedy rich studio bastards and Lucas who gave us crap like ID4, Godzilla and Reloaded. (Hulk was just the product of one Crouching tiger oscar-less frustrated director pushing his "vision" on us). Rocky III's similarities lie with T3 I think because after the first two movies, both franchises had no clear way to go and yet Rocky III and T3 both pulled out a good story and flick seemingly out of impossible odds and expectations. Don't know if Cameron could do any better because his T3 he said would have been in the future nuked out nightmare world. Maybe it's best to speculate about Cameron's possible vision of a sequel with T4 instead.

  • July 3, 2003, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Give a monkey a brain, and he'll swear he's the center of the un

    by Devil'sOwn

    Man I love this stuff. Some people generatin' some old-school hostility here. There seems to be a few schools of thought. There's the people who see a movie and it clearly leaves them in the dust; theres the average-to-smart people (who I hope are the majority of us) who say hey, maybe you're not giving it a chance, and then there are these slapnuts pseudo-intellectuals who get on here and say, "It's not that we don't get it, (movie) just sux, and you're a cretin if you like it!!" Oooh. That'll teach me the error of my ways. Virtually every movie that comes out these days is terrible and worthy of heated, venomous rants. Yyeeaaaah, rrriiiiight. Got it, mmkay?

  • July 3, 2003, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Arnold's truck

    by ICMR

    Looks like the same one from Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2.

  • July 3, 2003, 8:39 a.m. CST

    T-3 Review *spoilers*

    by Mordaan

    Well, I went to see T-3 last night, and I must say I dissagree with the review above. I liken this sequel to Highlander 2 This POS is riddled with so many holes it cheapens the previous movies. If you are the type of person that will deem a movie good because of explosions guns and chase scenes, you will love this flick. Although you might have to juggle your nights so you don't miss an evening of WWE or COPS. You can place it in your DVD collection right next to Jet Li's "The One" I'll forego tearing apart the acting, or the crudely spliced CGI, and I'll go right to the cheesecloth plot. We shall start by writing out Linda Hamilton. Mother of the revolution dies of lukhemia. Ok it may be realistic, but not the way I pictured Sarah Conner going out. It seemed more like a flimsy plot line from Days of our Lives than that of the Terminator trilogy. Poor girl must not have even wanted her image associated with this turd statue, because we never even see the classic picture of Sarah that John gives his father before T-1 Now the T-X nano tech. Wow she must be advanced. In the 1st chase scene T-X injects automobiles to control "machines". With a tilt of her head she controls at least 4 vehicles to be able to drive with the ability of stuntmen. I was wondering what part of the computer brain in a car would allow it to turn a steering wheel, or even start the vehicle. I'll give you speed up and slow down from cruise control, but that's about it. And I've never heard of Utility vehicles such as Fire and rescue trucks being equipt with cruise. I don't want the guy responding to my emergency call to be so lazy he puts it on cruise. Now, they do mention how heavy arnold is. I can actually buy this, it does however open up holes from the first movie (usually a poor technique), "The new terminators were very hard to spot sweat, B O, bad breath" Shi+ they should have just put a scale in their enteranceway. If that's too high tech how about boards over a pit that you would breah if you were over 250lbs? This Arnold also appears to be much more durable than the previous models. In a chase scene he is on the end of a mobile crane, speeding along and gets driven through a concrete building yeilding a few cuts in his "skin". Ok much of this can go under the movie magic category. Not really enough to damn the movie. But the following is: At the end of the movie, Cornholio and Juliet find themselves in a hardened military fallout shelter to weather the storm of the nuke war. Cornholio asks why Arnold sent them there, and Juliet replies that it was his mission:To ensure the survival of Mr. + Mrs. revolution. Wait!!! Hold On!!!! Arnonld never says that!! He never even suggests that they should go there. Fulgencio (Juiets father) says they need to go there. He implies that it is where Skynet is and where it can be destroyed. But in the few seconds of film (while a bomb is ticking) C+J prolly didn't noodle it out that T3 may have just chosen to go along with Fulgencio's ruse. Juliet chose to give credit to Binary-Dad rather than her own flesh and blood, thx honey you make daddy proud. Luckily the star crossed lovers will have plenty of time together waiting for the fallout to clear. T3 was bound to get my $$$ and T4 will too, but I'm as dissatisfied as I am after watching George Lucas rob me of my childhood Star Wars memories. -Mordaan

  • July 3, 2003, 9:15 a.m. CST

    this movie was fucking great! i wasnt a big fan of the terminato

    by juxtapoze

    two thumbs up, for a quality movie

  • July 3, 2003, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Mangalore's right

    by jason745

    In response to mangalore15's post: "In T2, John Connor's birthday is revealed to be 2/28/85 on the police computer that the T-1000 is using. In T3, John says he was 13 when the T-1000 came after him. If he was born in 1985, this would place the events of T2 in the year 1998, the year after the original Judgement Day. Anyone else catch this?" You're right. Fortunately, only fan boys like us will pick up on this. T2 is supposed to take place in the summer of '95, with John being 10 yrs old. The problem is that Eddie doesn't really pull of a 5th-grader very well. Maybe the people who researched for T3 just assumed he was playing his age. Furlong was born in '77, thus would of been 13 during photography for T2. In a storyline that involves multiple futures, and time travel; detail especially counts. It sucks that C2 didn't put forth the detail that this franchise deserves. By the way; I haven't seen T3 yet, but I'm extremely encouraged by the favorable reviews. From the scenes that I've viewed, it looks like "real," non-CGI action still has a place the modern Hollywood. Bully for Mostow.

  • July 3, 2003, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Everybody that saw Reloaded should feel insulted.

    by Blue_In_The_Face

    That fucking movie tries to make you feel smart by questioning the whole concept of Neo's existence and purpose with the most asinine dialogue I've ever heard. The Architect dialogue was as bad as every line that I've heard coming out of the mouth of that dumb fucking blonde bitch in Legally Blonde 2! The Matrix was able to create the same kind of cult following that the Star Wars and Star Trek franchises have created. The only difference between the Matrix and the other two franchises is that the fucking fanboys blindly defend a piece of shit sequel no matter the odds. Hey, at least Star Wars fans did not try to defend blindly Jar Jar binks or Anakin's bad dialogue to death! Matrix fans seem more overzealous than anything else.

  • July 3, 2003, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Not Bad...wishing (hoping) for more

    by Almost Famous

    I have basically been waiting for this movie since the release of the last, and hoping to leave the theatre with that FUCK YEAH....feeling after the conclusion. Unfortunately, that did not happen..although my expectations were probably too high and likely never to be met (these expectations were developed without advance dire warnings from industry insiders). I was concerned from the outset about the lack of Cameron and Hamilton, and more than a little peeved with the idea of a female villan...personally, I liked the idea of Jet Li, as he would have been 500% more menacing...anyway...the action sequences were fairly derivative (the obligatory vehicle chase scene, the "say...that's a nice car" bit, the running evil terminator bit etc), and there was too much of a technoligical differential between the two terminators for any fight scene to have suspense as to the ultimate winner...I did enjoy seeing Arnold back in his best role, although I thought he was much better in T2...for some reason he seemed a little off in this one

  • July 3, 2003, 10:21 a.m. CST

    how to make it in the movie business

    by Hud

    The secret is to give your movie a title that can be rendered in algebraic notation: T3, X2, and so on. These are movies that people flock to see. Unlike movies with names like, say, "Two Hours of Neck Wattles." Inspired by all the T's and X's in the movies these days, I myself have written a screenplay. I have to say that it's brilliant. The electric light was a knock-knock joke compared to my movie. It will kill the hopes and life purpose of the less-gifted. It will turn music, metalwork, and literature into crusty, unwashed shadows of their former selves, lying on sewer gratings and grubbing for out-of-town reviews. Great religions will have to hastily edit their scriptures to wedge me in. It will be so complete a film that any sequel or remake will be impossible. It may be even eliminate the need to make any other movies, period. All due to my peerless title: "C1: You've Seen Them All."

  • July 3, 2003, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Thank you, vash666.

    by The Pardoner

    "My point exactly - brilliantly fucking illustrated." But I don't mind people who slag Harry - keep me guessing whether they're more jealous of his website or his girth. Nerds...

  • July 3, 2003, 11:25 a.m. CST

    ......alright you horny losers......includes "Carl w/a K"

    by astarfan

    ......hey you prepubescent, stiff cocked little whiners........and you KKKarl..hey dumbass...if you hate action, why the hell would you go see these movies?...god you are dumb........and to everyone else.........that is why directors put things like female terminators in movies........because they know most of you hard-up little pip squeaks will go to see it just for new jerking material......

  • July 3, 2003, 11:28 a.m. CST

    ......alright you horny losers......includes "Carl w/a K"

    by astarfan

    ......hey you prepubescent, stiff cocked little whiners........and you KKKarl..hey dumbass...if you hate action, why the hell would you go see these movies?...god you are dumb........and to everyone else.........that is why directors put things like female terminators in movies........because they know most of you hard-up little pip squeaks will go to see it just for new jerking material......

  • July 3, 2003, 11:29 a.m. CST

    ......alright you horny losers......includes "Carl w/a K"

    by astarfan

    ......hey you prepubescent, stiff cocked little whiners........and you KKKarl..hey dumbass...if you hate action, why the hell would you go see these movies?...god you are dumb........and to everyone else.........that is why directors put things like female terminators in movies........because they know most of you hard-up little pip squeaks will go to see it just for new jerking material......

  • July 3, 2003, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Need input from similar brain...

    by kewl nickname

    ...before I know whether to see this. What follows is MY OPINION of the movies. Other people's opinions on this talkback differ, and that's fine - taste is not an exact science. I loved the first Terminator - well-constructed plot, no plot holes, good blend of funny moments and real terror, and nice use of time-travel paradox. T2 (in my opinion, see above) didn't hold together as well and didn't ever engage my feelings, though it was fun to watch all the morphing. (If you loved T2, please note that I'm *not* insulting you. Maybe I missed what was good about T2. Maybe we just focus on different elements of movies. Maybe I'm insane.) So far, I've heard lots of reviews from people who loved T1 *and* t2, but not from people like me who only liked T1. So: any similarly-twisted brains out there? Did *you* like T3, or should I save my money.

  • July 3, 2003, 11:46 a.m. CST

    T3: The Ending Contradicts Itself

    by 007JB007

    At the end of T3, John Connor, by way of voice over, tells how SkyNet was never a centralized system. Rather, it was in our home computers, business computers, the Internet, etc. Well, since nuclear war broke out, ALL electronic equipment, including computers, would be fried, thereby destroying SkyNet and the future predicted. Am I missing something?

  • July 3, 2003, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Should've said: "you're terminated, bitch!"

    by pencil-man

    You heard it here FIRST!!!, END OF LINE

  • July 3, 2003, 12:46 p.m. CST

    10 more minutes?

    by Rupee88

    This movie already cost something like $150 million...how can you add 10 more minutes to it??? It was a good length and they packed a lot of action into it. They couldn't afford to make it longer. On Stern, Arnold even said that he threw in $1 million to keep a scene in that they were going to cut for budgetary reasons. I think T4 will suck because this one doesn't seem like it will do that well and they won't be able to spend much on T4. These movies need a big budget to be good unless they get an incredible script which is unlikely.

  • Read "Stolen Valor" by B. G. Burkett. It talks about how bums and losers figured out they'd get more sympathy if they wore cammies and pretended to be vets. How the liberal news and entertainment media eagerly spread the stereotype to help discredit the war. How they bought atrocity tales from "veterans" hook line and sinker without basic fact-checking that would have revealed they'd never even served. How Vietnam veterans have BETTER cultural numbers than the broader population - that's right, BETTER. Less likely to be criminals, alcoholics, druggies, mental cases, you name it. LESS LIKELY DAMMIT!

  • July 3, 2003, 1:31 p.m. CST

    T3 is insult to T1 and T2

    by paulyd30

    Intellignet posters like RodimusBon and godrefla are the people we need to be listing to!! I saw T1 in 1984 in the theater right after I graduated High school and stating college. It was the most kick ass movie i have ever seen. James Cameron in his vision of we can change our destiny we make life what we choose Fate is on our hands. Missing in this film is waht the original and T2 had accomplished. This is a very sad day for Terminator Fans every where. The whole T3 plot we are dommed no matter what we do therory is freaking horrible and made me sick to my stomach after i saw the movie last night. Gone is the devestating F - U @ss hole coments bad @ss terminator from T1 replaced with a more kindler and gentler wise cracking politaclly correct Termator. Ok if i want to see a comedy i will go see Jim carrery talk from his @ss. They have raped what James cameron has done and Arnold should be ashamed of himself to agreeing to this script. GOD we can t stop the mutliation of 3 billion people here!! how freaking depressing is that !! I want to thank RodimusBon and godrefla who have said the same thing i am trying to get acroos here more elequently. If you want to see a cool car chase , good special efecst this movie is good . If you loved the story line for T1 and T2 and belive there is hope for mankind then you are going to very dissapointed and sick. a very dissapointed Arnold and Terminator Fan Pauly D

  • July 3, 2003, 2:07 p.m. CST

    T3 Delivered the Goods

    by Jervis Tetch

    There ain't much left on the summer menu now -- Pirates? LXG? Mostly disappointing til now. But T3 is looking mighty good coming right after "The Hulk" and "Charlies Angels." I doubt Arnold's ever coming back to the stardom he had (he was an 80's phenonemon), but he fits this role like a glove -- looks, voice, inner being. The crane chase looked and felt better than the Matrix set-pieces. The story kicked in faster than the Hulk. The fight scenes were more entertaining than Charlies Angel's cartoonovision. Cameron's grandeur is gone, but the tale fit well with the first 2. Bottom line: first summer movie since X2 that really felt like it worked, start to finish. (And didn't ol' Arnie -- the master of self-promotion -- milk that California Governor recall race into a lot more press for this movie than he would have gotten otherwise. Actor? So-so. PR man? THE BEST.)

  • July 3, 2003, 2:34 p.m. CST

    "No fate but what we make." A theory...

    by Distorto25

    The future John Conner told Kyle Reese the phrase "No fate but what we make" so that when he went back in time he would tell Sarah Connor who would then tell the child John Conner. The future John Conner knew that there was no way to prevent Judgment Day from happening and that all he really had to do was survive the nuclear holocaust. He also knew the phrase "No fate but what we make" was bullshit because Judgment Day was destined to happen. "No fate but what we make" was just a way to make sure that the past John Connor survived to fulfill his destiny. You see, future John Conner knew that if past John Connor had even the slightest hope of preventing the nuclear war he would stay alive at all costs (and not put a gun to his head and "self-Terminate"). Just a theory

  • July 3, 2003, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Good Review

    by Ethous

    This Movie was to the point. No Bullshit it gonad happen nothing you can do about it. I liked it allot was a good movie I actually like it more then 2 in many ways. Mind you some scene are not pretty as in 2 but think of it this way. The world will end the movie is dark in many ways and allot of the movie is dark. If you like your movies to smell like roses and every thing has a happy ending and do dark don't go see it. But if you are the type of person that is tired of the good guy always winning and everything can be stopped. Then is the movie for you it makes you think and is genius. When they thought of this movie they where thinking of us not the money because they molded this movie to be true to the fact it changed a bit but they did mess with time so it because a full circle at the end. This story needed that there was no way they could have made another movie from where they left off with no explanation on why judgement day is not gonad happened this made scene a bit of a paradox but came out well. But the surprise is Arnold to be that age and still look like the T2 terminator like nothing ever happened is great it makes it smooth. The good thing in this movie they did put some funny dialog in it. Ok no astalavista baby but that would have been way to dam corny once is enough like. The line Talk to the hand that would be something i would do if somebody told me that because it like telling them to grow up. The best surprise Was the T-X she was very nice looks good would not touch but would like too tho. She was one of the most dangerous terminators I had ever seen she was affective she saw them shot them she did not ask for there name only once they where half dead and if it was to late hey what the hell enough blood to tell me who she is or he that is dam affective. She had no morals, no emotion like the real terminator there was more blood it was more graphics not censored why should it be the first one was not it was sick at some parts.This one almost gives you the same impression. I write this because I went in thinking this movie was gonad be shit and worthless and was knocked off my feet to be shown that sequels can come out on the top and be good as the originals. My hole 9 Cents Ethous.

  • July 3, 2003, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Good Review

    by Ethous

    This Movie was to the point. No Bullshit it gonad happen nothing you can do about it. I liked it allot was a good movie I actually like it more then 2 in many ways. Mind you some scene are not pretty as in 2 but think of it this way. The world will end the movie is dark in many ways and allot of the movie is dark. If you like your movies to smell like roses and every thing has a happy ending and do dark don't go see it. But if you are the type of person that is tired of the good guy always winning and everything can be stopped. Then is the movie for you it makes you think and is genius. When they thought of this movie they where thinking of us not the money because they molded this movie to be true to the fact it changed a bit but they did mess with time so it because a full circle at the end. This story needed that there was no way they could have made another movie from where they left off with no explanation on why judgement day is not gonad happened this made scene a bit of a paradox but came out well. But the surprise is Arnold to be that age and still look like the T2 terminator like nothing ever happened is great it makes it smooth. The good thing in this movie they did put some funny dialog in it. Ok no astalavista baby but that would have been way to dam corny once is enough like. The line Talk to the hand that would be something i would do if somebody told me that because it like telling them to grow up. The best surprise Was the T-X she was very nice looks good would not touch but would like too tho. She was one of the most dangerous terminators I had ever seen she was affective she saw them shot them she did not ask for there name only once they where half dead and if it was to late hey what the hell enough blood to tell me who she is or he that is dam affective. She had no morals, no emotion like the real terminator there was more blood it was more graphics not censored why should it be the first one was not it was sick at some parts.This one almost gives you the same impression. I write this because I went in thinking this movie was gonad be shit and worthless and was knocked off my feet to be shown that sequels can come out on the top and be good as the originals. My hole 9 Cents Ethous.

  • July 3, 2003, 4:07 p.m. CST

    "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade", maybe the most perfect pop

    by Tarl_Cabot

    That movie sucked ass.It was a blatant retread of Raiders.The score sucked, the quest for the grail was stupid;it had to be an artifact most of the public would recognize? The addition of Nazis and the tank chase was contrived and pandering to all the whiners who didn't appreciate the boldness of "Temple"; Temple dared to be a totally different film from Raiders...Instead of a great romance we have Father-son issue resolutions...Turning Marcus Brody into an uncultured tourist buffoon for laughs... 15 minutes of River Pheonix as young Indy in the prologue was designed to launch that shitty TV show too.I hate Indy 3 but I loved 'Raiders' more than any movie...

  • July 3, 2003, 4:09 p.m. CST

    "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade", maybe the most perfect pop

    by Tarl_Cabot

    That movie sucked ass.It was a blatant retread of Raiders.The score sucked, the quest for the grail was stupid;it had to be an artifact most of the public would recognize? The addition of Nazis and the tank chase was contrived and pandering to all the whiners who didn't appreciate the boldness of "Temple"; Temple dared to be a totally different film from Raiders...Instead of a great romance we have Father-son issue resolutions...Turning Marcus Brody into an uncultured tourist buffoon for laughs... 15 minutes of River Pheonix as young Indy in the prologue was designed to launch that shitty TV show too.I hate Indy 3 but I loved 'Raiders' more than any movie...

  • July 3, 2003, 4:58 p.m. CST

    A big dissapointment.

    by God Of Forkery

    No . . .no . . .sorry Harry, I can't agree with you on this one. From the moment Arnold entered the film, it was all downhill. To me, this film failed as both a third entry in the series, AND as mindless summer entertainment. Instead of the obvious (concentrating on the war itself) they just give us more of two Terminators pummeling the shit out of each other, which we have already seen. The movie had no balls (I'm sorry . . .girlie running around capping little kids with a handgun is NOT as cool or scary as the T-1000 spearing people), there was some pretty awful writing, and I swear on all that is holy that Claire Danes is the WORST ACTRESS EVER! The setup for T4 was fairly obvious, but is this movie really going to do well enough to warrant a sequel? I heard they spent 175 million on this fucker . . .

  • July 3, 2003, 5:20 p.m. CST

    T3 Is Great...Arnie Is Back

    by Barron34

    This movie was surprisingly good. It was a good, down-and-dirty SF action flick...just what we needed this summer...an antidote to the hyper-active CGI-ed fluff that Hollywood keeps cranking out lately. Beats the crap out of the Matrix:Reloaded...Harry's review is spot-on. Arnie can retire now in good grace, run for Governor, or better yet, make King Conan and On The Wings Of Eagles and kick everybody's...AND Claire Danes is hot, cool, and cute...Terminator # kicks ass and leaves us wanting more...congratulations to everyone involved in the making of this film...Barron out.

  • July 3, 2003, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Movie Mike you have some good points but I still loved it

    by IndustryKiller

    I think alot of this is nitpicking but I can understand how it would bother oyu. The character complaints I mostly tend to disagree with but stuff like the metal on John and Kate not sticking and how they got into the military facility are reasonable complaints. I would liek to add Dr. Silverman just showing up was a neat little homage but the way it was handled was too random and seemed out of place. I also agree that Cameron tends not to overlook stuff like that and thats why I still wish he had taken a crack at T3 but I loved what I got anyway. I think this film advanced the story exactly where it needed to go and I'm not so sure Cameron would have done that and instead opted for a more tidy ending like that in T2.

  • July 3, 2003, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Good Movie, but I think the Reloaded will hold up over time.

    by iamarayya

    I liked T3, but it was not as good as Reloaded. T3 could have not gone with the formula chase scene after chase scene. And by the way, the chase scene near the end of Reloaded was better in my opinion. The TX was a cheap rip off of the T 1000. COMMON! trys something new instead of a rehash of T2. Jezz we can't creat a villian as good as the T 1000 so lets just redo the liquid metal thing and have a normal terminator under it. And for emotionless machines why would she smile so much or scream in fustration near the end. BUT...I liked the ending, it saved it for me. To bad there was no innovative action scences. Dont any body other than the Wachowski Bros, and Kurt Wimmer in Equilibrium. I had sence thoses action scenes in T3 before. If they make T4 I hope its set in the revolt of man. Harry is smoking those funny ciggertes if he thinks this movie takes chances more than any other 2003 movie. Reloaded does, just think of the ideas in it. Finally the reason why alot of marks hated Reloaded was cause his hopes were so high, and I bet my right nut the marks will LOVE this cause their expectations were so low, do mainly to the crappy Trailer. I give it a C+, cause it was an average action movie with a good ending.

  • July 3, 2003, 6:33 p.m. CST

    T.3

    by Dazb

    T 3 will be an excellent film. But I wanna say this, I have been visiting this website for a few months now, and I have been reading 'Talk Back. What a horrible set of BASTARDS you all are. You take great pleasure in insulting Harry, none of you are fit to lick his boots. You are a complete set of CUNTS, and if I could meet any of you, I would love to punch all of your LIGHTS OUT, so all of you just FUCK OFF.

  • July 3, 2003, 6:50 p.m. CST

    T3 is stillborn at the box-office: $4 Million on the first day o

    by JohnnyTremaine

    It's over at foxnews.com, on the main page, or click on foxlife. As per Roger Friedman it even opened behind the other huge bomb, CHARLIE'S ANGELS 2. Good-bye movie career, hello politics.

  • July 3, 2003, 6:52 p.m. CST

    T3 is stillborn at the box-office: $4 Million on the first day o

    by JohnnyTremaine

    It's over at foxnews.com, on the main page, or click on foxlife. As per Roger Friedman it even opened behind the other huge bomb, CHARLIE'S ANGELS 2. Good-bye movie career, hello politics.

  • July 3, 2003, 7:04 p.m. CST

    T3 - a worthy sequel, but lacks Cameron's operatic eye

    by Frylock

    I just saw TERMINATOR 3 today and i gotta say that it is about the best time at the theatre i have had all summer. It is not the total masterpiece that TERMINATOR 2 was, but it was a worthy sequel with a solid story, believable acting and spectacular special effects. I just wish there were more scenes of character development, and the lack of that familiar score really does hurt the film. After all, the score in T2 is one of the elements that really makes it a classic and T3 could have really used it. Other than that i gotta say it is a great action flick and i hope there are more on the way, hopefully in the hands of James Cameron next time; after all the Terminator story is his baby.

  • July 3, 2003, 7:41 p.m. CST

    John Conners--Wimp or Badass?

    by AtomicSwirl

    I enjoyed T3, but one thing that bothers me about it is that John Conners never once "rose to the occasion." All he does in the movie is look helpless, react passively to events, and get bitch-slapped around by Claire Daines, for God's sake! He knew (or suspected) that Judgement Day was coming for ten years, and he never bothered to try to develop leadership skills, work out, or even learn to shoot a fucking gun. Hell, Claire's character--a petite, little girl, for God's sake--outshined him at every turn in terms of leadership and combat abilities. Either he isn't the real John Conners or he needs to grow some balls--fast.

  • July 3, 2003, 7:44 p.m. CST

    *Spoiler*Spoiler*Spoiler*

    by BrianGriffin

    T3 is the ruler of all Terminator movies. Well, maybe not the first one. But it was as dark, brooding, and nihilistic as the first. I love that the ending gives a big FU to all of Hollywood's "all the bad guys dead, all the good guys happy" standard action movie endings. Chills my friend, you will have chills for the final 2 minutes, and hearing John Connor's last message to central command. Screw T2, none of what they did mattered. I'm talking about first-time-you-saw-Yoda-draw-his-lightsaber chills. Peace out

  • July 3, 2003, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Why this film's "new" theories on time travel SUCK...

    by Techtite

    The way I see it, there are two concepts of time:

  • July 3, 2003, 8:58 p.m. CST

    T3 just nuked the garbage known as The Matrix: Reloaded. This fi

    by jules windex

    That ending did indeed have balls, but not in an insult your audience way like Reloaded. This film gels with the others better than anyone could've expected. Bring on T4!!

  • July 3, 2003, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Huh. . .you know that was a stupid action science fiction film w

    by scythe1138

    This is better than Matrix Reloaded?!?! I, and many others whose opinions actually matter, beg to differ. I'll admit that the action sequences were impressive though they weren't 1/10 as impressive as any Matrix fight scene or car chase. But enough about Reloaded, this film is an insult to the previous Terminator films. The worst aspect of Terminator 3 was the overabundance of the god damned jokes and one-liners. I laughed, I won't lie, but inside I wept; this was supposed to be a movie about impending doom, a world on the brink of facing a holocaust, instead we get "talk to the hand" jokes. Face it fellow Terminator fans, this film never should have been made. Console yourselves in watching the magnificent predecessors.

  • July 3, 2003, 9:43 p.m. CST

    T3 made 32 million, wednesday!!!

    by TheSith

    Thats one of the biggest oppenings ever.

  • July 3, 2003, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Best of the summer sequels!

    by PumpyMcAss

    T3 is the best sequel of the summer, even better than X2 and certainly better than The Matrix Reloaded. Can't wait for the next one. It would be the best summer action flick if it weren't for 28 Days Later which simply kicks copious amounts of ass.

  • July 3, 2003, 10:11 p.m. CST

    T3 Surprisingly Rocked.

    by odysseus

    Okay, so Mostow doesn't have Cameron's artistic flair... but at least he doesn't add the sentimental BS that undermined the overrated T2. Remember folks, that's the movie where Arnold's terminator actually had lines like: "I know now why you cry." Ugh! My stomach still turns just thinking about it! T3 is a superior sequel -- superior to the bloated Matrix Reloaded, and the gigglefest Charlie's Angles. As far as this summer's movies go, T3 is on par with the excellent X2, as well as the desert rampage sequence of The Hulk. Oh, and the first 90 minutes of 28 Days. Right now, I can't wait for T4. It's weird... two months ago, who could've guessed that Matrix Reloaded would all but be dismissed by fans, while X2 still gets buzzed about, and now T3 stands tall. (For the record, before summer began I was rooting for Matrix as much as anyone, while T3 was barely on my must-see radar.) (Also for the record, I agree with Harry that Jurassic Park /// was the best of the lot.) (And by the way, I watched ROTJ recently for the first time in years, and it's not quite as horrible as I remembered. Maybe that says something about just how bad the prequels really are!) Happy 4th, everyone!

  • July 3, 2003, 11:34 p.m. CST

    A pleasant surprise

    by Johnny Ahab

    Let me join the chorus. I went into T3 today with low expectations, but some faint hope based upon some favorable reviews. And I enjoyed the film. Much more than I expected. Came out smiling. Sure, it's basically the same plot served up a third time -- but at least it didn't have the phony pseudo-intellectualism of MATRIX RELOADED. Or the chilly plodding seriousness of THE HULK. It's a balls-to-the-wall honest-to-God summer action flick! Yes, some of the Arnoldisms were a bit much ("Talk to the hand" was a career nadir, and "she'll be back" comes at a most unfortunate emotional moment when nudge-nudge ha-has were most unwelcome). But there were welcome twists and variations in the story that surprised me. (Spoilers coming) I thought, surely Arnold & Co. will arrive in time to stop SkyNet going on line -- and I was surprised that they didn't -- and it went online in quite a mundane manner -- with the press of a button. Not by the Termanatrix engineering it, but with a keystroke made by human decisions. Man, did I love the simplicity of that. A tragic human mistake. LOVED the ending, and in truth, didn't see it coming. I thought "ho-hum, they'll avert disaster because Hollywood must have its happy ending for the masses" -- and instead I got something dark, yet right. Thanks for having some balls, Mostow & WB! When's the last mega-budget film you saw with a bittersweet but ultimately downer ending? I give it a "B+" -- and in a summer of so many duds, that's high praise. May even watch both movies over again, and see T3 a second time. (And sure, I'll add to the dogpile on MATRIX RELOADED. It deserves it; it's a bad film. It truly is the Emperor's New Clothes of movies. And here's why the crane chase scene in T3 just kicks ass over the over-rated freeway chase of MR all over the place -- because there are characters you care about and something monumental hanging in the balance in T3, in other words, real and emotional stakes. John Connor is mankind's only hope -- and he's a scared, vulnerable human with a freaked out woman being chased by automated police cars and the Termanatrix in a monster damage machine. Seemingly, he doesn't have a chance -- and it causes maximum dramatic tension. In MR, Morpheus & Trinity are trying to protect the Keymaster -- whom I could give a fuck about, because he's a program but also a blank character. And Trinity & Morpheus have no fear, can kick ass all over the place, do death-defying stunts yet not break a sweat -- this creates no dramatic tension whatsoever. Sure, it looks eye-poppingly cool, but there was no heart or visceral urgency to that sequence. And it all looked CGI fake; and after the blatherfest of the prior hour or so, the action was all noise and flash and failed to move me...and, I suspect from this talkback, many others in the audience. But MAN, does the crane chase just ROCK! High stakes, and it feels as they don't have a chance. And the destruction just looks incredibly jaw-droppingly real! I know there's CGI all over that sequence, but not once did my mind's eye get pulled out of the story because the onscreen events looked like PlayStation. I have a love-hate relationship with Mr. Knowles's reviews, usually hating all the stuff he loves. But Harry's on the money re "MATRIX RELOADED" and "T3". Hated the latter and still do -- but enjoyed myself at "T3". It's salvaged what has been a dreary moviegoing summer.

  • July 4, 2003, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Another sad, Hollywood blockbuster, which bends T1 and T2, and r

    by -HoLLyWoOd-

    I loved T1 and T2. Yes I think T2 is better than the first, because it concentrates on more detail and delivers a believeable pitch of what could be the future. Everything about T3 is wrong. The scary thought of the future, the emotion and depth of T1 and T2, were Terminated. I couldn't believe how many holes there were, and nothing but stupid, overly elaborate "Talk to the hand" remarks. A cartoon version, instead of a thought provoking "myth-like" story, as Rick Graen put it. T2 had the surprise of a better script, mixed with great, but not overly done effects. T3 was one long preview of what a fan of the first 2 thought the third one should be like. I was impressed by only 1 thing. It wasn't done by James Cameron. Harsh, I know, I'm sure it was a bitch to shoot, but either live up the the proper expectations, or don't bother. "Don't be Back, again"

  • July 4, 2003, 1:09 a.m. CST

    ROTJ = Franchise killer

    by IAmMovieMaster

    Here's the final word on everything - T3 was very good, it was way better than The Matrix Reloaded crapola, and the demise of the Star Wars franchise began with the lackluster (and arguably outright crappy) Return of the Jedi. Gotta agree with Harry on all these points. There you go.

  • July 4, 2003, 1:50 a.m. CST

    T3 Rocked!

    by Nicky Butane

    Just got in from seeing T3, the movie was WAY better than I thought it was going to be. It washed away the disapoitment from the Hulk and "Reloaded". Damn that chase with the crane was worth the price of the movie alone. I haven't seen that much wanton vehicular carnage since the first Blues Brothers. If you haven't seen it get the hell up and go right now!

  • July 4, 2003, 2:41 a.m. CST

    whats up with the timelines?

    by rootwitch

    First off, I enjoyed this immensely. Which was a surprise. The action is terrific, Arnold is once again in the perfect role, and he still grows in it (as much as a robot can). And the filmakers didn't cheat the story... it took some guts to end it like they did. But I also had a problem with the timeline... If John was 13 when T2 took place, then that would have been a year after Judgement day was to take place. Also, if Sarah hung on for 3 years to see if judgement day would come and pass, she would have died in 2001 by this movie's timeline scenario. I don't think John was supposed to be 9 years old in T2, but maybe I'm wrong... Anyone?

  • July 4, 2003, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Hey Matrix fanboys, how's that crow taste?

    by MrBlutarsky

    I've been saying it for months, and finally, I have been proven right!!! Ever since that overblown, self-important, BORING AS SHIT sequel to the Matrix deficated all over American movie theaters, I have been patiently waiting for justice. I have listened to all you whiny Matrix fanboy bitches whine and try to pull some justification out of your asses in defense of the cinematic after-birth that is Matrix: Reloaded. Face it, the movie sucked donkey balls. The wire-fu was lame, the rave scene was lame, the acting was HORRENDOUS, the feeway chase looked like a PS2 game, and the final Keanu vs. Col. Sanders meeting was so full of itself, I literally started laughing in the theater. I am a lifelong Star Wars fan, and I have listened to you idiots trash SW and sing the praises of Matrix. Well what do you have to say now? I know what to say. We've had our Phantom Menace, now you have yours. That point is driven further home with the release of T3. Here is a sequel that delivers the goods. It has all the thrills of the first two movies, and ups the ante on top of it. It does what Matrix Reloaded failed to do: It makes you WANT to see the next movie. I actually have to thank the Wachowski's. They saved me $8, because there is now way in God's green earth that I will be going to Revolutions. Everything about T3 was better than Matrix. The story, the acting, the pacing, the fx. Oh yes, and the vehicle chase at the beginning of this movie is what the chase in Matrix WANTED TO BE!!!!! Do I have an actual review of T3? No. Why bother. If someone wants to see it, they'll see it regardless of what I say. Do I think it's worth seeing? HELL YES!!!! It's the best movie of the summer. There, that's my review. So why take all the time to bash Matrix? Because it's fun!!!! Because it sucks so bad, it's ripe for the bashing!!! Because I have dealt with you idiots creaming your jeans for a year on what has turned out to be the biggest theatrical skid mark since Godzilla!!!! Sure it's made money. How could it not with that much hype? But have you noticed something? Have you seen the box office numbers dropping faster than the Cubs after the All-Star game? For a movie that had such a huge, record breaking opening, it won't even match the final gross of Attack of the Clones!!! Hey, have a SECOND helping of that crow!!! For those of you lucky enough to dodge the Matrix bullet, invest in T3. It's what a sequel should be. It's what a summer movie should be. It's fun!!! MATRIX SUCKS!!!! For those of you who have seen the 80's classic Tron, Flynn would kick Neo's ass!!!!!

  • July 4, 2003, 3:10 a.m. CST

    T3 was a pretty good action movie actually, I was pleasantly sur

    by Red Giant

    I thought this would be a really typically bad sequel. I was wrong. The effects are very good, seamless really. Nothing looked fake, CGI, etc. Well done there. Storywise, all ties together and makes sense. George Lucas wishes he tied story arcs together this decently. The plot takes a good twist at the end, which is always a good thing for what seems to be a predictable time-travel tale. And the humor was intentional and in the right places. The audience was pretty full and there are some really good laughs where they need to be, much liks in The Two Towers with Gimli and Legolas. Not laughin at the "dumbness" of a scene, just intentional humor put there for us to get a kick out of. The TX does more than enough things and in particular ways to really believe she is a real and powerful threat. If you thought RObert Partick was a threat and believable in T2, you will here too. For the record, I thought The Hulk was pretty crappy, the CGI was laughable. T3 is well worth it.

  • July 4, 2003, 3:13 a.m. CST

    T1 and T2 time travel loops

    by chubb rock

    This site explains it best: http://www.mjyoung.net/time/terminat.html after reading this the movie seems almost absurd, but I still enjoy them like crazy. Chubbs

  • July 4, 2003, 3:19 a.m. CST

    "The Matrix Reloaded felt like we were watching a video game."

    by Voice O. Reason

    Maybe because it took place inside a computer program?

  • July 4, 2003, 3:24 a.m. CST

    www.rockithardcore.com sucks...hard core

    by disinclined

    Lewis Black...in my ass...

  • July 4, 2003, 4:22 a.m. CST

    What about IJ & THE LAST CRUSADE?

    by Sheamus

    Surely up their as one of the best - if not the best - part III of all time? NIGHTMARE ON ELM ST III wasn't all bad either. Both of these are *miles* ahead of the part II of the series. I'd even say ARMY OF DARKNESS was at least on a par with EVIL DEAD II - certainly in terms of entertainment - and a lot better than the first one.

  • July 4, 2003, 5:24 a.m. CST

    71% at Rottentomatoes!!!

    by Bong

    T3...AHNOLD...Save this summer!!!!

  • July 4, 2003, 10:17 a.m. CST

    RE:Conundrum

    by Ruffus

    I have just read your thesis, interesting very interesting...but I belive that Reese explains to Sara that they could only travel from the future to the past but not from the present to the future...Hence Reese explains he could not get back to his time....but anyhow...You make an interesting point...I enjoy the movie..

  • July 4, 2003, 10:56 a.m. CST

    John Connor's age and my big phone scam

    by DarthCorleone

    Yes, back in 1991 I remember reading that Furlong was a 13 year old playing a 10 year old. Then after seeing T2 I found that his being 10 stretched credibility a bit. He behaved more like a 15 year old. I guess kids are growing up faster these days. Also back in 1991, I was the guy who entered the T2 phone contest hundreds of times by generating bogus PIN numbers a la John Connor. One of the prizes was the actual Terminator arm that Cyberdyne held. See, I thought that I should be rewarded for my movie-themed ingenuity even if I was "cheating". Instead, I got in a bit of legal trouble, much to my parents' chagrin. They accused me of being a computer hacker; I said that I didn't need a computer to crack their simplistic numerical sequences. This might sound like a dumb talkbacker mouthing off, but this is the absolute truth and has since been my best personal anecdote. By the way, though I liked the ending "twist" and some of the action was cool, this entry just didn't have the same resonance for me as either of the first two. Honestly, I'm a bit mystified why it seems to be garnering as much praise as it is. Not that it's a bad movie -- it just doesn't keep with the complete spirit of the others.

  • July 4, 2003, 11 a.m. CST

    Why do people thing T1 = No fate?

    by Sterling Crowe

    There are three major themes in time travel stories (that don't involve alternate dimensional realities) that I can think of and now all three have been explored in Terminator movies. I honestly wonder how many of the "the first two movies gave us hope that we can change our destinies" people really saw the first Terminator. The first Terminator follows the "By His Bootstraps" theory of time travel paradox outlined by Heinlein in that story and "... All You Zombies" and explored in 12 Monkeys. In those stories and that movie, our future is someone else's past and is immutable. There is nothing that occurs in T1 to change anyone's destiny and, in fact, the machines created their greatest foe by trying to send back a Terminator to kill the mother of the revolution. Biehn's character is chosen because he is John Connor's father; Sarah tells John about him during the ending and even gets the same freaking picture taken that John later shows to Biehn's character. There is nothing that changes, but it is necessary that Biehn's character believe he can change the past for the past to happen exactly as it did. In this movie, free will didn't exist at all and everyone followed along their predetermined paths exactly as it had been scripted in the future. In this, the Grandfather Paradox simply doesn't apply because if you went back to kill your grandfather, you'd fail because it didn't happen. T2 explores the Back to the Future theory of time travel, which says that we can fuck up the past as much as we like and everything can wind up all better in the future because of it. It ignores the possibility of paradox and, often, depends on alternate realities that can be brought into being by certain cusp events, letting people take actions in their own pasts that would destroy them. It lets free will reign and, in the realm of the Grandfather Paradox, it means you'd kill your granddad and then simply wink out of existence, grandpappy still dead and gone and all of his seed unspent. ****Big spoilers to follow, if you haven't been spoiled by other comments**** T3 takes a tack that all the hip new sci fi writers are going for lately. The earliest work I'm familiar with that explores this theme is Millenium (the book by Varley, I can't comment on the movie, as I haven't seen it), and it has also been addressed by Poul Anderson in Time Patrol and, to a lesser extent, Spider Robinson's Callahan's series. The idea is a self healing time stream, in which certain events are going to happen no matter what, but free will can still apply on a lesser extent. The time stream is malleable, but only to a certain degree. Most of these stories involve trying to prevent things from getting too far out of whack and the entire universe disappearing (Varley refers to it as "The Cosmic Disgust Theory", in which God takes his ball and goes home). In this, the Grandfather Paradox is dealt with by saying "Hey, yeah, you can kill your grandfater", but it will turn out that your grandmother was diddling the mailman and there's no real historical significance to your action. All in all, I went into this movie with very low expectations and just decided to see it with a friend of mine for something to do and to check out the new Cine Capri here in Phoenix. I'm freaking glad I did.

  • Geez, you're so fuckn right, matrix is a total bust. I mean, it's only made like 500 mil domestic and worldwide, become the highest grossing R rated film of all time, and spawned a hit game and animated feature. What a fuckn failure, Howard the Duck look out! Hey chimp, in your universe is the movie that makes LESS money the BIGGER hit, or is it just whatever gets you stiff in the circle jerk? Keanu not givin you the wood like he used to? Hey I know -- why don't you keep screaming Matrix Sucks, Matrix Sucks, that'll make it true, and then you and Harry can hang out and talk about how great JURASSIC PARK 3 is. Jesus Fuk, if ANYBODY on this site was wondering how much to trust Harry's reviews, he did hem all a HUGE service by announcing that little "heads up." GODZILLA, XXX, JURASSIC 3 -- and Moriairty doesn't even rate a review archive?! Harry, if you have the balls, why don't you throw up a poll asking who's reviews we trust more? I'm not sayin drop yours, or change a thing -- I'm just saying, you wanna exploit your strengths more. Moriarty's reviews are strengths. But back to bitchslapping this punk -- Hey Vash, I bet if you ask real nice you and Harry can take his Geekmobile and fly far away to a land where the matrix really didn't beat all other summer movies, where JURASSIC 3 is accepted as the cinematic masterpiece it is, and where thumbsucking fanboys are actually considered well-adjusted pillars of the community (and cute, too!). Don't dream it -- Be It!

  • July 4, 2003, 11:20 a.m. CST

    "My disappointment with THE MATRIX RELOADED isn

    by Serious Black

    That's a quote from Harry's Reloaded review. He always said it was a good movie, it just didn't live up to his expectations. If he's now hammering on Reloaded a little harder, it's probably because he's so pissed at all the Fanatics and Plants out there who've been beating the crap out of him in the talkbacks. Some people just seem unable to accept that he didn't fall head-over-heels in love with Reloaded. Get over it. He was fair in his review (although I enjoyed Reloaded much more than he did). Keep blasting him and he'll probably end up hating Reloaded outright.

  • July 4, 2003, 11:35 a.m. CST

    hello

    by shape_shifter

    hello

  • July 4, 2003, 11:40 a.m. CST

    BOLLOCKS

    by shape_shifter

    Let me first announce that this is my first post on aicn. Okay now that the formalities are out of the way, i want to say that i have been following peoples bull shit when it was found out Jim Cameron aint goin to do T3. All of u dumbasses were sayin "dude T3 will suck" Everyone had a hard on about Matrix Reloaded as usual the movie geeks were wrong. The tables have turned, those of u who were slaggin off T3, so badly want to suck Arnie's nuts. And those of u still sayin its shit, deep down i know u really liked the film.

  • July 4, 2003, 11:47 a.m. CST

    MATRIX RELOADED WHAT A SHAME

    by shape_shifter

    My fellow peeps, just have to say that Matrix was a very disapointing film for me, u know i was one of the movie geeks really excited about watching this. But i dont know why they fucked it up by having so many fights in the film. U know in the first Matrix, there was a reason as why all the morpheus crew kicked ass, but here they just through it in for the sake of it. I finally got the story thank god, and most of the philosophy was shit in Reloaded. Why oh Why does this happen with films? How can people start off good and then fuck up?

  • July 4, 2003, 1:56 p.m. CST

    John Conner's age and timeline issue:

    by Tarl_Cabot

    Sarah Conner had to gave birth in late '84 (or early '85). so, let's just say Dec '84: 13 years later it would be 1997. She died in '97 right? She was supposed to have been diagnosed with Luekemia 3 years prior but that was supposed to be after the events of T2. So, what happended here? John is supposed to be 23 in T3. Karen Brewster is also 23 but an already an established veternarian? I really liked T3 but I noticed some inconsistent facts presented.

  • July 4, 2003, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Killing John Connor & Time Travel

    by illuminati

    One thing I wanted to know... If the machines of the future knew they screwed up their attempts to snuff John in the past (they have History text books too, you know), why didn't they just send another one to the exact same time John was fighting off number 1? So instead of fighting Liquid Metal Man in T2, why didn't they just send 50 of them to off him? And if he did manage to beat them, he would just turn his tired ass around to see the fresh batch of 50 waiting for him... Or would that spoil the plot for T4 : Rise of the Governor ????

  • With exception for talk to the hand. It made the beggining seem like a perfunctory remake of T2.

  • July 4, 2003, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Kristanna Loken Sucked

    by dylerturden

    Wouldn't it have been cool to have Linda Hamilton back as the Her-minator? Then John would've had that confusion over killing the thing that wants him dead and reconciling his feelings for the woman who made him who he is. Would've made that Oedipal thing where he finds Kate attractive wants she acts like his mom come full circle. more useless thoughts at www.monkeynaut.com/cinemonkey

  • July 4, 2003, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Harry, regarding T3...

    by DErcyldonne

    Maybe my expectations weren

  • July 4, 2003, 10:49 p.m. CST

    T3 3 Stars out of 4 (By a hardcore Fan)

    by Mathey

    I have seen T3 twice and read some reviews. I think as an overall action flick it hits the target but as trying to connect to the past works of art it falls short. And this is why: I am a little confused why Jonathan Mostow says he is a fan of the past movies but not enough to watch them with the commentaries on. 0) If John Connor is a great leader, why doesn't he already have a band of soldiers ready to follow him like his mother did in T2? 1) Terminator is a dark film, so the action should take place in the DARK! 2) The movie is called "The Terminator," not "Comic relief brought to you by the Terminator" 3) James Cameron is an artist; ever frame of T2 would be a great piece of art on your wall, not the same for T3. 4) Reflections people, reflections. The line, "I'll be back," means I am driving a vehicle through the front door! Where was "Come with me if you want to live?" 5) If the actor who plays Dr. Silverman agrees to be in the flick why not give him a bigger role to connect the series instead of turning him into a cartoon character? 6) When did you actually feel the characters were in fear of being killed? 7) Why are the events of earth's destruction a backdrop? We never saw the reactions of the casualties of Judgment Day. 8) Judgment Day is a Biblical term, why not call it T3: Armageddon? 9) Who the hell was the scientist who took over the work to create terminators? And what happen to those left over pieces from T2, like the arm? 10) Where is the heart? Where is the philosophy? Why should we care these people live? 11) Why couldn't the TX be more powerful and visual at the same time? We have seen every Terminator shot someone with a gun. We all loved the visuals the T-1000 offered us with his morphing in to sharp objects. 12) I am not stupid, the TX is not going to die in 1 hour and a half in to the movie so don't even bother. The suspense is the build up to the death. 13) Last, Where is the money shot! Nowhere in T3 do we see a defining shot of the film. T2 had the T-1000 riding the motorcycle in to the helicopter, we had Ah-nuld walking out of cyberdyne with a huge barreled gun, and we saw the shattering of the T-1000!

  • July 5, 2003, 3:44 a.m. CST

    T3 reviews suck my left nut

    by dalek7

    Once again I am blown away by how much Harry and this fan-boy driven website's completely daft fucking views suck balls... Smart?! If this movie was smart it would never have been made with THIS script... Here's my thoughts... I am appalled at the high scores so many reviewers on this site are giving T3... Have any of you actually WATCHED the first two films? Thought about them? Old enough to remember why they were great?? I admit, I enjoyed this movie for the slam bang shoot-em-up effects it that paid for it, but a 9 out of 10 movie?! 10/10?!? Especially as a sequal to two of the most popular SF/action films ever, this is barely a 6/10! By itself, its a fun romp, but as another notch in a revived franchise it stands out as only that; a revived franchise. Like Alien3 this movie, now devoid of its original creator (Cameron, a man who could direct, by the way, not just mimic), does exactly what one should NOT do when reviving a franchise; lose all the character and point of the first films. I'm not saying the characters were written badly, or that there was no plot or action... it was fine in all of these regards. But as a film I might have waited 12 years to see based on how much I loved Terminator and T2?? Hell no. It takes all the point, all the reason and struggle of the SF story of the first movies and makes certain this just chucks it all out the window in the end. In short, is this a cool Arnold/action/FX movie? Pretty much; hard not to be with Arnold as the terminator and a Hollywood budget... Is this a cool continuation of the previous Terminator films and stories? No. Whole-heartedly, no. I suggest you pay attention during your next viewings of the original T-flicks and figure out just why they were successful for their own reasons... 5/10

  • July 5, 2003, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Re: scythe1138

    by AICN fanboy dork

    "I, and many others whose opinions actually matter, beg to differ." scythe1138 -- the poster boy for why AICN talkback is considered the stomping ground of inbred, socially inept, self-righteous dorks who need cyberspace in order to "speak" to the public masses. Since you don't share his thoughts, you opinion doesn't matter. Yawn.

  • July 5, 2003, 5:31 a.m. CST

    My 2003 Ticket Stub Rview

    by The Pants

    First, LOTR: TTT, 9/10. Great film, a masterpiece, but just not as good as FOTR, though no fault of Peter Jackson's. 2nd, Daredevil, 1/10. The perfect turd to watch while drunk with your buddies and "MSTie." 3rd, Willard, 7/10. A fun little weird movie about a boy and his rats. 4th, House of 1000 corpses, 8/10. A fun and campy homage to the horror renaissance of the 70's. 5th, X2, 10/10. I just couldn't have imagined a better Xmen movie. 6th, Matrix Retarded, 3/10. A cinematic limp dick. And by the way, I GOT IT! So need to use the tired excuse that if you didn't like it, you didn't understand it. I got it the first time around. They didn't have to bludgeon me to death with circle-speak regarding their community college philosophy term paper ideals. Give it a rest!!! 7th, Finding Nemo, 9/10. As a long time Pixar fan I was thrilled to see their best achievement yet. It had all the fun of their previous movies, but lightened up on the heart moments. And once again, Ellen Degeneres proves that even a lesbian can triumph over adversity and portray a mentally deficient royal blue tang. 8th, Hulk, 9/10. Despite never being a fan of Hulk, this movie had so many genuinely intriguing and inventive parts that the whole totaled into a semi-epic comic book masterpiece. Too highbrow for summer fodder, too comic booky for dramatic audiences, it has a tough time finding it's self. Just like Banner. (gee, I'm clever) 9th, 28 days later, 8/10. A new twist on the zombie story. Zombie purists may take to the streets chanting "They're not dead, just pissed!" But how many more times could you watch slow,lumbering zombies amass in hordes and chew lazily upon their victims. Some purists even consider Return OTLD to be a legitimate zombie film (zombies making jokes, talking, and planning coordinated attacks) and yet shun this because they move like normal people. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFERENT!!! Criminy, get the firepoker out of your butt. 10th, T3: ROTM, 9/10. We've seen Arnold play an unstoppable killing machine in 1. We saw him play a thinking and learning machine/father figure in 2. Now see Arnold... ACT! Yes, folks Arnold actually, for the first time in his career, does something more than stand upright and look imposing. "Desire is irrelevant! I AM A MACHINE!" Oh my god, Ahh-nold, did I just see you emote? Yes ladies and geeks, Ahh-nold can act, and what better time to learn how to do it than in the biggest cinematic surprise of the last 50 years. Everyone was prepared for this movie to suck like a pornstar on ecstacy. Then, it totally comes out of nowhere to be a really great film. The first thing I noticed is the use of permanent daylight and bright colors, totally distinguishing itself as a terminator film unto it's own. I was amazed at x2. We went from "Do you know what happens to a toad..." to the finest comic book film ever (next to batman). Then T3 actually revealed, underneath the bad trailers and the internet rumors of total suckdom, that it was a quality flick. Enough to satisfy the film junkies, the geeks, the sweaty guy with the slackjaw and the free floating brain cell and even the chicks would dig it. Holy Crap!!! Now I just eagerly await The League and FvJ and then the summer is over. Then comes this winter with Matrix3 (please god be better than 2) and ROTK. What a great year for movies this is turning out to be.

  • July 5, 2003, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Superman III was exceptional. Dunno about T3 cause I ain't seen

    by Michael Dorsey

    I admit to being surprised at the positive response to T3. Especially as the trailers for the film resembled more a T.V movie. Am now looking forward to its release here in the U.K.

  • July 5, 2003, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Once again, T1 was set in 1984, John Connor was born in 1984, T2

    by Uncle Sam

    AND THEN they say that he was actually 13 in T2?! WHAT THE FUCK?! The fucking idiots at Warner Bros can't even do simple math! 1994 - 1984 = 10. 2003 - 1984 = 19. How is it possible to have fucked up like this?! It's so simple! And Arnold's model is the T-800, dumbasses, NOT the T-101! It was clearly stated several times in both films, as Reese (the soldier from the future) said: "The T-600 series had rubber skin, they were easy to spot, but the T-800 is covered in living tissue..." JESUS! Its as if they didn't even take the time to actually WATCH either T1 or T2 before they wrote the screenplay! Shit...

  • ?????

  • July 5, 2003, 1:16 p.m. CST

    read Sterling Crowe's post

    by decfx

    It's a movie! Some of you out there act like T3 refutes everything the first two films stood for. "The future is not set...yada, yada, yada..." Who gives a shit. These Terminators came from the FUTURE. Gee, I guess these events ALREADY HAPPENED. Judgement Day must happen because it already did happen the first time. Did you ever stop to think that no matter what decisions were made by John, Sara or anyone else, that these decisions were already made and no matter what, the path was already set. Why didn't John just shoot himself? He could have made that decision and 'changed the future' but he didn't. A bunch of whiners (pdg3, Techtite, godrefla, Rodimus Ben) just like to hear themselves complain because Cameron wasn't on board. Again, it's just a movie. You either like it or you don't. "Oh no, my T1 and T2 childhood has been raped by T3. Get a fuckin' clue.

  • July 5, 2003, 1:39 p.m. CST

    response to vash666

    by Indrid

    sorry for being off-topic folks, as this is a T3 thread, but i believe vash666's comment warranted my response. if you have any questions or comments for me, visit the message boards here: http://the-rabbit-hole.net/forum/ vash666: "Revolutions will make even less by the way, and just to twist the knife in a little deeper and make you lame ass twits squeal even louder, there is a very good reason why Revolutions is being released in Novemeber: Return of the King would own it's fucking ass in December and trounce Revolutions into the dust of its own medicority." actually, you're quite mistaken on the release date- which shows us how much you actually know about the franchise. the Wachowski brothers wanted to release 'The Matrix Revolutions' only two months after 'The Matrix Reloaded' came out. Warner Brothers wanted to make money off the franchise, so they agreed on a six-month wait for the final installment of the trilogy. it beats waiting a full year(LotR trilogy) and three years(SW franchise)- so take your preconcieved notions about the franchise and cram them up your ass. wait until Nov.5: if Reloaded got as much press as it did(and i'll admit that it was great but not fucking awesome), then Revolutions will have even more press, and you'll crawl into your little hole to hide from all the fans of the Matrix franchise.

  • July 5, 2003, 2:13 p.m. CST

    TURDMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE LATRINES

    by pjam19

  • July 5, 2003, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Spoiler comment: After magnetic tunnel John has a gun in his bo

    by oboejones

    X2>T3>Hulk>>>>>MR not a bad summer for action/comic movies after all. . . T3 was an excellent flick. SPOILER ALERT: After escaping from the magnetic plasma tunnel they land at crystal peak and john pulls a gun out of his bag and shoots little holes in TX. if he had a gun in his bookbag, wouldn't it have gotten stuck to the magnets too? Or did i miss something?

  • July 5, 2003, 11:56 p.m. CST

    a negative and detailed T3 review

    by vernvonvoid

    I was worried that a Post-Matrix Terminator movie just wouldn't work...after all, T2 redefined all the rules for special effects, action scenes, and post (well, really pre) apocalyptic sci-fi movies in 1991 and The Matrix changed all the rules again in 1999. Turns out I didn't really have to worry about the context of a Post-Matrix world ruining T3...cause it's simply a bad enough movie in its own right. Where to start? Well, first how about the fact that the whole movie up until the last ten minutes, is a complete re-tread of T2. Evil, more advanced terminator comes back from the future to kill John Conner...Arnold, our beloved good and less advanced terminator arrives just in time to save him. They fight a bunch and the good guys eventually decide to attempt destroying Skynet, thereby escaping fate. Same old ground, not much new. Oh, but there IS a new, more advanced evil terminator...a combination of the two previous terminators with a few added bonuses...like she can network with other machines. She uses this ability to go online through a telephone and retrieve information and command a squad of driverless police cars to chase our fleeing heroes. Now, I'll admit, this is an interesting idea but beyond the two instances mentioned above, it's barely utilized. Instead they focus more on what weapons she can turn her arms into. Also, she doesn't seem very threatening due to the fact that she's defeated WAY too easily. In T2 it took the combined efforts of John & Sara Connor, and Arnold's terminator to triumph

  • July 6, 2003, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Simply the best!!!!

    by ijusthaveit

    The best sequal in a long time,blows away T2.the ending was the one on the best since the first Planet of the Apes,it's that good.This movie did what other movies tried but could not do,top it's self we have a Blockbuster Sleeper! and that my friends is rare. Better then: Godfather 3 Die Hard 2/3 Leathal weapon 2/3 countless Bond flims Matrix Toyota (Re loaded) Freddy & Jason Movies ROTJ and the last two! Jaws2/3/4 Batmans/Supermans On par with Mad Max 1,2,3

  • July 6, 2003, 12:59 a.m. CST

    T3 is probaly my fav movie so far this year. ( Spoiler Free )

    by HurleyCD

    ( Spoiler Free ) I'v seen all the biggest movies released this year, X2, The Matrix Reloaded, Hulk, 2f2f and a few others and none of the big money makers have been as good as T3. When i first heard that the new terminator was a girl i laughed, i thought this movie was gonna suck. After i saw the first trailer i changed my mind and decided to give it a chance. And yes, i was very pleased. I didnt think The Matrix Reloaded chase seen would have any competition but T3's chase seen was more exiting and looked cool and had more damage, and thats all we really want. Robots destroying shit. >=) And i look foword to T4 ... come on ... you know there gonna do a T4

  • July 7, 2003, 12:27 a.m. CST

    T3 sucks!

    by highsociety

    This movie blows! Harry is an idiot! T1 and T2 were great! T3 sucked as did the lame ass female TX terminator! Crap! James Cameron shoulda made this film!

  • July 7, 2003, 12:18 p.m. CST

    The worst of the Terminators

    by LoveDark

    But you know what? That does not mean it sicks. It IS a great film. Yes, I miss Linda Hamilton but I guess John Connor had to cut the apron strings (or bandalero in this case). And the score is not up to par. It is fun to see the variation on the bar scene, with the TermAHnator entering Ladies night nude and being mistaking for a dick dancer. I would have like more on the final result of the film (don't want to give it away). Before, I was think that it needed to be the Final Terminator but after seeing it, it does cry out for Yet Another Sequel. I guess I would like to see the Other Side, the people who sent the TerAHnator back in time and the result they experience. But T2 still rules! Nothing can touch Sarah Connor's nightmare at the playground when L.A. is vaporize and the great, great music that goes with it. Nothing can touch the young John Connor's pain as he mourns the sacifice of the only father he had ever known. And the sacifice of that black scientist who blows up the building. Sad stuff, Great stuff.

  • July 7, 2003, 3 p.m. CST

    A

    by Dinobot_x

    This is the worst sequel in a while. This does for Terminator what Highlander 2 does for the Highlander franchise. On a positive note, this is the best Arnold comedy ever. But do we go see Terminator for comedy? It was crap and an insult to everything set before it. This stinker should have been terminated at the script stage.

  • July 7, 2003, 3:51 p.m. CST

    ?

    by Sixxgunn13

    "Well, Prince, so Genoa and Lucca are now just family estates of the Buonapartes. But I warn you, if you don't tell me that this means war, if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend, no longer my 'faithful slave,' as you call yourself! But how do you do? I see I have frightened you- sit down and tell me all the news." It was in July, 1805, and the speaker was the well-known Anna Pavlovna Scherer, maid of honor and favorite of the Empress Marya Fedorovna. With these words she greeted Prince Vasili Kuragin, a man of high rank and importance, who was the first to arrive at her reception. Anna Pavlovna had had a cough for some days. She was, as she said, suffering from la grippe; grippe being then a new word in St. Petersburg, used only by the elite. All her invitations without exception, written in French, and delivered by a scarlet-liveried footman that morning, ran as follows: "If you have nothing better to do, Count [or Prince], and if the prospect of spending an evening with a poor invalid is not too terrible, I shall be very charmed to see you tonight between 7 and 10- Annette Scherer." "Heavens! what a virulent attack!" replied the prince, not in the least disconcerted by this reception. He had just entered, wearing an embroidered court uniform, knee breeches, and shoes, and had stars on his breast and a serene expression on his flat face. He spoke in that refined French in which our grandfathers not only spoke but thought, and with the gentle, patronizing intonation natural to a man of importance who had grown old in society and at court. He went up to Anna Pavlovna, kissed her hand, presenting to her his bald, scented, and shining head, and complacently seated himself on the sofa. "First of all, dear friend, tell me how you are. Set your friend's mind at rest," said he without altering his tone, beneath the politeness and affected sympathy of which indifference and even irony could be discerned. "Can one be well while suffering morally? Can one be calm in times like these if one has any feeling?" said Anna Pavlovna. "You are staying the whole evening, I hope?" "And the fete at the English ambassador's? Today is Wednesday. I must put in an appearance there," said the prince. "My daughter is coming for me to take me there." "I thought today's fete had been canceled. I confess all these festivities and fireworks are becoming wearisome." "If they had known that you wished it, the entertainment would have been put off," said the prince, who, like a wound-up clock, by force of habit said things he did not even wish to be believed. "Don't tease! Well, and what has been decided about Novosiltsev's dispatch? You know everything." "What can one say about it?" replied the prince in a cold, listless tone. "What has been decided? They have decided that Buonaparte has burnt his boats, and I believe that we are ready to burn ours." Prince Vasili always spoke languidly, like an actor repeating a stale part. Anna Pavlovna Scherer on the contrary, despite her forty years, overflowed with animation and impulsiveness. To be an enthusiast had become her social vocation and, sometimes even when she did not feel like it, she became enthusiastic in order not to disappoint the expectations of those who knew her. The subdued smile which, though it did not suit her faded features, always played round her lips expressed, as in a spoiled child, a continual consciousness of her charming defect, which she neither wished, nor could, nor considered it necessary, to correct. In the midst of a conversation on political matters Anna Pavlovna burst out: "Oh, don't speak to me of Austria. Perhaps I don't understand things, but Austria never has wished, and does not wish, for war. She is betraying us! Russia alone must save Europe. Our gracious sovereign recognizes his high vocation and will be true to it. That is the one thing I have faith in! Our good and wonderful sovereign has to perform the noblest role on earth, and he is so virtuous and noble that God will not forsake him. He will fulfill his vocation and crush the hydra of revolution, which has become more terrible than ever in the person of this murderer and villain! We alone must avenge the blood of the just one.... Whom, I ask you, can we rely on?... England with her commercial spirit will not and cannot understand the Emperor Alexander's loftiness of soul. She has refused to evacuate Malta. She wanted to find, and still seeks, some secret motive in our actions. What answer did Novosiltsev get? None. The English have not understood and cannot understand the self-abnegation of our Emperor who wants nothing for himself, but only desires the good of mankind. And what have they promised? Nothing! And what little they have promised they will not perform! Prussia has always declared that Buonaparte is invincible, and that all Europe is powerless before him.... And I don't believe a word that Hardenburg says, or Haugwitz either. This famous Prussian neutrality is just a trap. I have faith only in God and the lofty destiny of our adored monarch. He will save Europe!" She suddenly paused, smiling at her own impetuosity. "I think," said the prince with a smile, "that if you had been sent instead of our dear Wintzingerode you would have captured the King of Prussia's consent by assault. You are so eloquent. Will you give me a cup of tea?" "In a moment. A propos," she added, becoming calm again, "I am expecting two very interesting men tonight, le Vicomte de Mortemart, who is connected with the Montmorencys through the Rohans, one of the best French families. He is one of the genuine emigres, the good ones. And also the Abbe Morio. Do you know that profound thinker? He has been received by the Emperor. Had you heard?" "I shall be delighted to meet them," said the prince. "But tell me," he added with studied carelessness as if it had only just occurred to him, though the question he was about to ask was the chief motive of his visit, "is it true that the Dowager Empress wants Baron Funke to be appointed first secretary at Vienna? The baron by all accounts is a poor creature." Prince Vasili wished to obtain this post for his son, but others were trying through the Dowager Empress Marya Fedorovna to secure it for the baron. Anna Pavlovna almost closed her eyes to indicate that neither she nor anyone else had a right to criticize what the Empress desired or was pleased with. "Baron Funke has been recommended to the Dowager Empress by her sister," was all she said, in a dry and mournful tone. As she named the Empress, Anna Pavlovna's face suddenly assumed an expression of profound and sincere devotion and respect mingled with sadness, and this occurred every time she mentioned her illustrious patroness. She added that Her Majesty had deigned to show Baron Funke beaucoup d'estime, and again her face clouded over with sadness. The prince was silent and looked indifferent. But, with the womanly and courtierlike quickness and tact habitual to her, Anna Pavlovna wished both to rebuke him (for daring to speak he had done of a man recommended to the Empress) and at the same time to console him, so she said: "Now about your family. Do you know that since your daughter came out everyone has been enraptured by her? They say she is amazingly beautiful." The prince bowed to signify his respect and gratitude. "I often think," she continued after a short pause, drawing nearer to the prince and smiling amiably at him as if to show that political and social topics were ended and the time had come for intimate conversation- "I often think how unfairly sometimes the joys of life are distributed. Why has fate given you two such splendid children? I don't speak of Anatole, your youngest. I don't like him," she added in a tone admitting of no rejoinder and raising her eyebrows. "Two such charming children. And really you appreciate them less than anyone, and so you don't deserve to have them." And she smiled her ecstatic smile. "I can't help it," said the prince. "Lavater would have said I lack the bump of paternity." "Don't joke; I mean to have a serious talk with you. Do you know I am dissatisfied with your younger son? Between ourselves" (and her face assumed its melancholy expression), "he was mentioned at Her Majesty's and you were pitied...." The prince answered nothing, but she looked at him significantly, awaiting a reply. He frowned. "What would you have me do?" he said at last. "You know I did all a father could for their education, and they have both turned out fools. Hippolyte is at least a quiet fool, but Anatole is an active one. That is the only difference between them." He said this smiling in a way more natural and animated than usual, so that the wrinkles round his mouth very clearly revealed something unexpectedly coarse and unpleasant. "And why are children born to such men as you? If you were not a father there would be nothing I could reproach you with," said Anna Pavlovna, looking up pensively. "I am your faithful slave and to you alone I can confess that my children are the bane of my life. It is the cross I have to bear. That is how I explain it to myself. It can't be helped!" He said no more, but expressed his resignation to cruel fate by a gesture. Anna Pavlovna meditated. "Have you never thought of marrying your prodigal son Anatole?" she asked. "They say old maids have a mania for matchmaking, and though I don't feel that weakness in myself as yet,I know a little person who is very unhappy with her father. She is a relation of yours, Princess Mary Bolkonskaya." Prince Vasili did not reply, though, with the quickness of memory and perception befitting a man of the world, he indicated by a movement of the head that he was considering this information. "Do you know," he said at last, evidently unable to check the sad current of his thoughts, "that Anatole is costing me forty thousand rubles a year? And," he went on after a pause, "what will it be in five years, if he goes on like this?" Presently he added: "That's what we fathers have to put up with.... Is this princess of yours rich?" "Her father is very rich and stingy. He lives in the country. He is the well-known Prince Bolkonski who had to retire from the army under the late Emperor, and was nicknamed 'the King of Prussia.' He is very clever but eccentric, and a bore. The poor girl is very unhappy. She has a brother; I think you know him, he married Lise Meinen lately. He is an aide-de-camp of Kutuzov's and will be here tonight." "Listen, dear Annette," said the prince, suddenly taking Anna Pavlovna's hand and for some reason drawing it downwards. "Arrange that affair for me and I shall always be your most devoted slave- slafe wigh an f, as a village elder of mine writes in his reports. She is rich and of good family and that's all I want." And with the familiarity and easy grace peculiar to him, he raised the maid of honor's hand to his lips, kissed it, and swung it to and fro as he lay back in his armchair, looking in another direction. "Attendez," said Anna Pavlovna, reflecting, "I'll speak to Lise, young Bolkonski's wife, this very evening, and perhaps the thing can be arranged. It shall be on your family's behalf that I'll start my apprenticeship as old maid."

  • July 7, 2003, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Awesome

    by Venomsoup

    I really expected to see an awful movie. I was wrong. T3 kicks major ass.

  • July 8, 2003, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Matrix Reloaded vs Terminator 3

    by Saluki

    I'm not exactly for sure why these two movies are being compared, but I guess it because they both were released close to each other. TMR had a backlash because of everyone's insane expectations, while T3 has a surge of fans because the hype sucked. Odd. Anyways, I enjoy chases that are fast and well shot (TMR), not clunky and boring (T3), so that is about the only area I can compare the two. I honestly was highly disappointed with T3. The writing, costumes, cinematography and even acting were just too far below the previous installment.

  • July 8, 2003, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Possible Connection to T2

    by DeeJay

    While this may have been posted by someone else, reading some the posts on this board (and IMDB's) made me think of something. It's possible that the attempt to destroy Skynet in T2 actually led to Skynet attacking the humans in T3. This would make sense, as the book Exegesis illustrates the process of an AI program becoming aware. Since the program has defense purposes, it would seem that it would eventually harvest information that would lead it to defend itself... making it "think" that the elimination of humans is essential for its "survival". This would not just be a casual thought if the humans had already tried to kill it. This may also jibe with our reality, as the internet (if not the set of protocols we call the WWW) did exist during the timeline of the second movie, meaning that the program was capable of hiding some if its new data on other networked computers. The theory of the TX bringing Skynet "back" is a good one, but I think the notion of the humans waging the first attack fits more into the tapestry of the Terminator series...

  • July 8, 2003, 2:03 p.m. CST

    THE END for the big T

    by MolokoPlus

    it was fun, but all of arnold's dialogue was one two hour running joke. i hope they learn from 'batman and robin' and don't throw the great sci-fi that terminator is down the dollar choked crapper. who would have thought that 6 million explosions cost 175 million dollars?

  • July 8, 2003, 2:22 p.m. CST

    T3 and Reloaded...

    by Merry Slander

    All in all I quite enjoyed T3. It isn't quite as artful as it's predecessor T2 but it is still a solid film with things to say. AND it happens to be a mighty fun action flick. It was as much and perhaps more of a crowd pleaser than even X2. I'm not saying T3 is perfect, but what i am saying is that folks like I-Ching who haven't even seen it shouldn't be spouting off about Cameron this and Cameron that because they have no basis from which to speak. As to those who've seen it and didn't like it, well, I'm not sure what movie you expected to see going in. It was exactly the tone I expected and was in may ways more clever and nuanced than I anticipated. There is levity in the film, sure, but it's always where it is suppossed to be. Terminator films have always had that undertone of gleeful destruction. It is the secret the thir popular success. We like to see badasses blowing shit up real good. It just so happens we get a pretty cool story to go along with it. I think T3 bares up really well against the latest Matrix film in that it is covering many of the same issues of trepiation over technology's role in our lives, the idea of human obsolesance and ideas of faith, fate, destiny, free will etc. While in Reloaded the "destiny/prophecy" aspect of the first Matrix film was revealed in to be very much a red herring, Terminator 3 takes the opposite approach, presenting the idea that some things are fated to be and that no amount of fighting one's destiny can change them. Whereas in Reloaded we learn that Neo's "destiny" is merely a manipulation of mankind's messianic complex and that, ultimately what differentiates man and machine is that matchines are built with purpose, while human beings exist with only their choices as their guide, in T3 we find that it is "no fate but what we make" that is the red herring. We are presented with the idea that there is such a thing as destiny and some people are crucial fulcrums in the course of human events. In T3 we are presented with a machine in the form of Arnold's T100 that not only accepts but clings tenaciously to it's purpose as the focus of it's existance. In Reloaded we have Agent Smith as a machine that has, through contact with Neo, been relieved of his purpose. He is free for the first time to do as he wishes...to replicate, to expand...to move beyond his programmed purpose. The film's protagonists are likewise juxtaposed. John Conner in T3 is trying with all his might to believe that destiny and inevitability are not the same thing. Having seen the supposed date of the machine's take-over come and go he remains on the outskirts of society not sure if he's still going to be Jesus, or if he's now just some schmoe with an eighth grade education. He lives one day at a time wondering what his mother's maxim of "no fate but what we make" has really brought him. That is until destiny intrudes. The film reveals that certain key events are unshakable and in the film's climax John is faced with making a decsions that serves himself or served mankind. He has a final moment in which he can choose to embrace his destiny or exit stage left. Neo on the other hand, discovers that this idea of purpose, of being "the one" that he had come to, if uncomfortably) embrace is a fallacy and that all humanity really has are their own choices. Neo makes his final, crucial choice inthe film based not on some greater purpose but for himself. I thin the movies play very well off one another . Terminator 3 has a bit less sever tone that Matrix but is no more fraught with goofy moments than it's predecessors. In particualr I thought the ending of the flick - where it leaves the main characters and how they get there was pretty darn brilliant. Sure you can make it your business to tear the film apart, but I'm pretty sure ai could do that with any film you put in front of me. You can either choose to go with the flow. I'll probably get crucified, but I think T3 is, of these two sequels the more successful. Many many people left Reloaded befuddled and alienated by the repetition of "fancy talk" and "pointless action sequences." Even I was worried about the film until the architect's speech (which clinched the film's greatness in my opinion). T3 manages to traverse the EXACT SAME conceptual territory as Reloaded and it does it in more accessible and entertaining fashion. Terminator flicks aren't meant to be a showcase for cinematic auteurs. They are popcorn entertainment. Don't let the smell of melted butter surrounding T3 make you overlook how good this film is in many ways... -- MS

  • July 8, 2003, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Basic truth behind the movies

    by snoogens1977

    The one thing that people have to keep in mind about T1, T2, and T3 is there is a more basic truth behind the movies. Temporal Causality. Or more simply, the idea that everything has to come full circle. In the case of the terminator movies, Arnie states it best in T2, while he is pouring coolant in the radiator of the station wagon. "Its in your nature to destroy yourselves" with this in mind, the statement that he makes in T3 finalizes that thought. "Judgement Day is inevitable" My whole point is that this series is full of loops. Just about every plot point in either of the first 2 movies is summed up and comes full circle in one movie or another. As far as the movie itself goes, while i was watching it, I remember thinking to myself that there was lots of gratuitous violence and special effects, which by themselves can make for a really good movie. But the last 10 minutes or so made this movie not only terrific, but a worthy member fo the current trilogy. Nick Stahl has been quoted as saying that he has signed up for at least 2 more Termintor movies. I really hope this is the case. snoogens....

  • July 8, 2003, 10:35 p.m. CST

    T3 SUCKED!

    by oldschoolcalgary

    Are you clowns serious?! T3 totally sucked!!! It was Airplane meets Looney Tunes meets the Terminator! A total joke--one looooog chase sequence that lead to nothing other than bad jokes by Ahnold (who still looks great). What was good about it? a car chase? And it totally ripped off scences from T2...do yourselves a favour when T3 comes out on video and COMPARE T2 vs T3...what a waste of money...you clowns probably liked Jim Carrey's recent travesty too!

  • July 8, 2003, 11:04 p.m. CST

    T3=trash!!!!

    by oldschoolcalgary

    As a follow-up, I found a link to Rotten Tomatoes site on the top 50 sci fi movies, ranked by Rotten Tomatoes, during its history: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt_genre.php? T2 is number 9 on the list...NINE!...based on its ratings, T3 will end up in 40th! Fourty!!!!! And the T2 list included guys like Ebert, who HAMMERED T3!!!! By the way clowns, T3 averaged LOWER ratings than Matrix Reloaded...learn to read and listen instead of watching lamo car chases! (tx has a crane, so ahnold gets a firetruck...tx uses a small helicopter, so ahnold has a big helicopter...)"talk to the hand"? does anyone say that anymore? and why didn't Ahnold go through the windshield of the firetruck? this ain't no looney tunes cartoon...or is it?

  • July 8, 2003, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Umm..

    by bastard_guy180

    Umm, T3 was better than T2, so what's your yammering about?

  • July 8, 2003, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Oh btw..

    by bastard_guy180

    Oh btw, you sound really old and nerdy. :)

  • July 9, 2003, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Its good..

    by Jon E Cin

    I wasnt expecting to see a good movie and I did. The action sequences were great. Had some cheesy stuff...unfortunately what movie doesnt nowadays! I cant wait until studios realize you dont need the comedy relief in EVERY movie. Lately you can always guarentee at least 3 cheesy lines or scenes that make you cringe in ANY MOVIE you see. Yes even Two Towers...dont know any from Fellowship though.

  • July 9, 2003, 8 a.m. CST

    Enough with the T-800, T-101 crap! And the Number TX dials.

    by The Pants

    First off, I saw the earlier post regarding the number that TX dials on the cell phone, it's 7752. Secondly, Jesus, don't any of you know anything about technology. Arnie is a T-800 SERIES TERMINATOR, MODEL 101! I have a 1600 !SERIES! Nokia, model 5170i. You see, with technology, a line of products has a series number and a model number. Sort of like Chevy Is Cyberdyne Sytems, Corvette Is The T-800, and Z06 Is The 101. Is this really that hard to understand. Jesus, they explain it in the first one. If you were all such die-hard fans, you would have caught this and not shown up at AICN talkback sounding like a jackass. SHUT UP!!!!!!! Ahh, simplicity.

  • July 9, 2003, 11:50 a.m. CST

    T3 is glorified FANFIC!

    by ZontarPrevails

    I was not expecting a whole lot when I went to see this film, but even so I was sorely disappointed. No advancment of any of the familiar characters. The two terminators' dialog consisted of little more than a rehashing of dialog from T2. "Get out." "I like your car." "I'll drive." I've heard it all before, and with much greater originality and style. Even the much expected "I'll be back," fell completely flat. Arnold was just a machine in this one. No character, nothing to grow attached to or care about. No buildup to the action. We're just supposed to be impressed with him because we know who he is. His big conflict at the end where he turns himself off had no emotion associated with it -- it was just two operating systems competing for dominance. Perhaps that was the intent of the director -- to show that we really are dealing with machines here, and nothing more. If so, he pulled it off well, but the end result was a movie that I had a really hard time caring about. This movie has all the earmarks of fan fiction: no character advancement, a virtual rehash of memorable scenes and dialog from past works. All that is original is a story that these characters are dropped into, to see how they get through it. This movie gets a 9 out of 10 on the suckage scale. The only thing that impressed me about this film was Arnold himself. He's 56 years old. I should have looked so good when I was 29. Go Arnie! You can do better than this, I KNOW you can! Zontar out.

  • July 9, 2003, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Terminator series far superior to Matrix or LOTR. period.

    by MisterGrimloch

    i have spoken.

  • July 9, 2003, 6:04 p.m. CST

    It's amazing what low expectations can do...T3 was a decent movi

    by minderbinder

    Why does everyone get so excited about the bathroom fight? It's OK, but there just isn't that much to it. T3 gets praise for not failing, it's just not nearly as ambitious as some other recent movies.

  • July 10, 2003, 2:55 a.m. CST

    T3 was balls-out action, some silly Arnie jokes and Claire Danes

    by Lance Rock

  • July 10, 2003, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Terminator 3

    by Sro100

    Saw it in an ultra-cool digital presentation; the film's a marvel of sights, action and sound. Damn good for the movies of today. Just not great on the level of the first films.

  • July 11, 2003, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Terminator 4 (and 5, due to time constraints)

    by lordofcatan73

    Okay, T4 can be made accommodating Arnie's wrinkles and moving on from the played out "let's send Terminators back in time to help John" theme. T4 will be quite some time in the future and focus on John organizing the resistance against the HKs. One of his recruits is, surprise surprise, an (HUMAN) Arnold who was (pre-judgement day) a soldier trained in combat. Because of the useful knowledge in military tactics, and because John obviously realizes that this must somehow be predestined, John becomes very close to Arnold and appoints him as one of his lieutenants. It would be quite a thrill to see the look on John

  • July 11, 2003, 5:11 a.m. CST

    suprised

    by MAlkovich

    it didnt suck and had some merrit all to itself...the whole destiny ideas was nice as to seperate itself from the first 2 as a plot idea and point...

  • July 11, 2003, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Hey oldschoolcalgary

    by BrianGriffin

    First of all in the immortal words of Peter Griffin, CANADA SUCKS!! And second, Ebert did not "Hammer" T3. Did you even read his review? T2 was horseshit compared to T3. Ed Furlong was a whiny little long haired bitch, and that waitress-turned-man Sarah Connor was wayyy more annoying than she was impressive. And what was with T2's happy "we stopped Judgement Day" ending? What is this, f*cking Disneyland?? Get a clue and hasta la vista baby.

  • July 11, 2003, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Terminator 3 = Good Reloaded = Bad

    by sammyyou

    Its simple, T3 is a great movie with a time paradox that is just pure candy for the imagination. I really hope we see another chapter in the series if not more. The Matrix was a conceptual masterpeice, the ideas introduced were awesome and had so much potential to be played with (the animatrix did this perfectly) yet reloaded was just a bad... bad movie... enough insulting. Keanu Reeve's portrayal of Neo made neo seem like a fucking asshole. He was quiet and all "Zen" but we all know that zen is bullshit and his quiet confidence destroyed any character he ever had. In the first movie he just seemed like he was thrust into the hero status and he had to adjust and there was emotion to that and now hes just a quiet prick with no expression in his face or voice or anything. Its like he was portraying a robot that thought it could kick anyones ass... but hes not a robot hes still a human so why didnt he act like one? And i really like whoever the hell played John Conner yeah he was great. The movie could have been fleshed out, but it wasnt so whatever it was still good.. why look for stuff to complain about when theres so much good... reloaded is the opposite way.. theres so much shit; neos acting, trintiys acting... uhh... everything except for the fighting which i admit was great... but that doesnt make a movie.. and neither does contrived philosophical bs!

  • July 11, 2003, 9:10 p.m. CST

    my thoughts on T3

    by shawman8870

    The main review was nice, and gave me some stuff to ponder, but I have to say, I freakin hated this movie the day I saw it. I do fall into the category of "guy who thinks the first two movies are law" I must say, and so the loss of James Cameron, Linda Hamilton, Edward Furlong, and even Brad Fiedel had me going into the movie with points missing already but determined to give it a fair shot. Just on a basic level, I don't think that they had that many good things in the production to begin with, so it would have been impossible to make a great "whole" out of all these inferior "parts". What I did like, were some of the action sequences, many of which have been talked about on here and in the reviews. The bathroom fight is outrageously entertaining, as is the car chase with Arnie hanging from the crane. But I felt that where Cameron used action to keep you entertained and move the story along and enhance it, this film blows things up and crashes a lot of vehicles when there is no story to tell. Mostow's direction is terible and pedestrian, and a Terminator film should be anything but normal in my eyes. And I loved u-571, but this guy, to me, did not do this franchise justice. Nor does the script. They could have gone any number of brilliant ways, from a Terminator army invading present day Earth, to a film set completely in the future of Skynet ruled Earth. At this point in the series, as with the Alien series in it's third installment, the same tired ideas don't work anymore. I thought they needed lot more ingenuity than what they had. The fact is, many times during the opening scenes I kept thinking to myself, "When the hell are these people in the future going to move their technology along so that they can send more than one person back in time?" Basically, I shouldn't be thinking things like that during the movie. Also, there were some glaring script problems, one being the fact that John and Kate already know each other, conveniently taking away any detailed explanations he might need to convince her of what is happening or going to happen. Trust me, as a writer myself, I know a shortcut, and a really bad one, when I see it. Any information about their making out session in "Kripkee's basement" is simply a device so that the scriptwriters do not have to allow for much of an ongoing love story. Why did they need it in the first place? John and Kate are stuck in the bunker at the end, and even if they were sworn enemies, I'm sure eventually they would find time for a good lovemaking session to repopulate the Earth. Who wouldn't? These are just a few of my thoughts, I could talk about this film for a long, long while and how much I thought it pissed on the series, but oh well. I liked Arnie as usual, I thought Nick Stahl and Clare Danes were cool but not given a whole hell of a lot to do, I thought it was preposterous that Dr. Silverman shows up and that only offered a cheap laugh, I thought the machines at the army base looked like Number Five from Short Circuit, but I digress. Some scenes were good, but I couldn't help but be disappointed over-all.

  • July 12, 2003, 3:15 a.m. CST

    I have to agree with Harry...

    by LoveDark

    ...this is a good film but far from the best of the Terminator series. I am missing Cameron, the score is medioce and the characters are the weakest of the three. But it is not a bad film. The Big Chase Sequence has incredible moments and it is interesting in that is seems to be actually more realistic than T2, which as somewhat surrealistic. Parts of it play like the best "Chase Caught on Video" ever. I was surprised to learn that many of the robots in this file were actually, honest to god, robots. They didn't have selfcontained power and control units but that added to the realism. When I went into the theater, I was expecting to want this to be the last Terminator, I was looking for closure. And it is not a film that will rush out to see again, like "Hulk" or "Matrix Reloaded". But it leave me wanting more. I want to see this future, with John Connor and his wife in and I want to see them conquer SkyNet. But I want Cameron to do it. I want surreal.

  • July 12, 2003, 2:31 p.m. CST

    To Rodimus Ben & Big Kahuna

    by DeeJay

    I follow what each of you is saying, but there is, yet, a deeper message to T3 than what may seem to be the case at first. John Conner had lost faith in himself and his future. What his character learned is that "what" isn't as important as "how". Or, what is to happen is perhaps less important than how it goes down. It's better to face the future with heart and courage than to live an uninspired life "off of the grid" when your enemy refuses to go away. His fate cannot be denied, but there is still more to his future than what he has been told in these stories. Do we humans win or lose the war that we essentially made unavoidable? That is a question for the future installment(s) of this series to answer. More importantly, the machines seem incapable of understanding fate. Be they heroic (like Arnold in T2) or homicidal (as Arnold in T1 and Patrick in T2). Yet, humans can understand and embrace the power of fate. This allows us to accept the things that we can't change and focus our energy on the things we can. Perhaps that is the true message of the movie series, and the reason why even James Cameron enjoyed this latest installment.

  • July 12, 2003, 5:39 p.m. CST

    T3 Question

    by Sro100

    Can anyone explain why Arnold kills John Connor in the future? Was this explained?

  • July 13, 2003, 2:23 p.m. CST

    I liked this. Made me feel melancholic, like the first one.

    by mvera

    Some spoilers in here. I left Terminator 3 feeling depressed, but that's a good thing. The story affected me just like the first one did. I was sad when Sarah Connor, pregnant, drove off into the desert with storm clouds building. I was also sad with the closing moments in this one, nuke missiles in pretty arcs coming down on the earth. It reminded me of the problems I had with the second movie. I didn't like Edward Furlong. His pleas to keep the Terminator alive in the end didn't sound convincing, like some boy whining. I like Nick Stahl better. But I do agree with others' opinion that the movie misses a strong character like Sarah or Kyle. It's a downer ending. After spending $130 million I think it's brave of them to keep it that way. On the other hand, it also opens the possibility of a T4, so maybe it's not brave but rather cunning of them. Mostow is pretty good. When John drops the beer bottle and that starts a segue to the future, when John rides the motorcycle and we barely see his face, or when they arrive at Crystal Peak and everything seems so dated, so "Dr. Strangelove" or even "Colossus, the Forbin Project" and finally, when I heard those last few lines, "it was software, there was no core". The movie won me over. I like this, maybe even better than the second one.

  • July 13, 2003, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Rise of the Machines vs Reloaded...

    by OverTod

    Firstly - there aint nothing worse or more ugly than reading someone's personal dislike of a film. Im hearing a lot of "reloaded was shit" etc etc... what was so shit about it ? ok, it posed more questions than answers and many of the next-gen characters such as persiphony arent so clear cut as a leather clad Arnie-Terminator but... (and heres the big revelation) Reloaded is really only half of the matrix sequel (you didnt get "to be continued" at the end of the original right?) no, so ok, we're all scratching our heads a bit as to what the hell the Architect was talking about but this is golden cinema... Directors are straying from the mainstream, avoiding Proppian characterisation and (shock, horror) challenging their audiences to hypothesise possible plot paths. If all this sounds like too much hard work then stick to your T-3 / X-2 side of the fence, just dont be so quick to beat something to death just because its a little different !

  • July 13, 2003, 11:51 p.m. CST

    New T3 Review

    by Stacy Muller

    I don

  • July 14, 2003, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Terminator 3: Rise of the Rerun

    by Elric67

    It was a decent movie but my god, we saw this in T2. Why the hell didn't they start T3 with Judgement Day, John survives, and the formation of the resistance. From there, the storyline to capture the T-101's and send them back in time to save himself before his birth and in his teen and adulthood. Then show the big battle in T4 and tie up the series nicely. Nope, cant do that, gotta rehash the same old shit. Arnold isnt getting any younger guys! Helloooo...Each terminator movie does not have to have a terminator that goes back in time to save john. It's now been done in three movies. So now what, Arnold wont be available for another 11 years to do T4. A 70 something old terminator. yeah, real exciting...we'll be lining up to see his 70 year old butt. Hooray!

  • July 14, 2003, 2:54 a.m. CST

    I am new to this site...

    by brannyxxx

    I've just joined this site through a tip from a friend, as to a place to read good reviews. Boy was I wrong! I read Harry's review of the matrix reloaded, and he said it was terrible. Then I read his review for T3, and he said it was brilliant. Needless to say I went to see both, and I felt exactly the opposite. Upon exploring more in the 'talkback' section, I noticed some glaring problems. Why does Harry give a great review or at least passible review to every movie he has been 'involved' in? Who does Harry think he is (can anyone elaborate why Harry's opinions count for so much?) It was quite obvious why he blasted the hottest film this summer so far (i just checked the IMDB site, and found out that Matrix reloaded is now globally the most successful 'R' rated movie of all time), was primarily b/c he was never let 'into-the-loop', NOT EVEN FOR AN ADVANCED SCREENING. well, anyway, this is probably the last time i use this website for any 'accountable' reviews, as it is obvious Harry knows not to bite the hands that feed him.

  • July 14, 2003, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Good Film

    by murgatroid1

    I liked it. I liked it a lot. Is this T2? No, but it is a logical step for the story and I really enjoyed it. I actually came away pondering the film for quite some time. Not just going Hell Yeah! Oh, and man did I want mis Claire Danes. Yummy.

  • July 14, 2003, 8:54 p.m. CST

    The ultimate Terminator paradox (drum roll please)...

    by Ardee-El

    SkyNet is an A.I. program and virus, without specific location, that spreads throughout the Internet and infects all wired and WiFi computer programs. Upon becoming self-aware, it decides (for reasons never fully explained) to destroy the human race. Instead of doing so by, say, loosing containment fields around biohazardous materials to which it and the systems that contain it are immune, instead it does so by setting off all nuclear weapons across the globe. One of the inescapable side-effects of a nuclear detonation is an Electro Magnetic Pulse (EMP) which erases computer programs within an area much larger than the actual blast range. (One of the core ideas of Cameron's short-lived "Dark Angel" series, by the way.) Essentially, by starting a nuclear war, SkyNet commits suicide.

  • July 15, 2003, 12:36 a.m. CST

    now!

    by smutpeddlar

    i want T4 to come out as bad as i want to see matrix revolutions, like bad dude....NOW!!!!!!!

  • July 16, 2003, 10:10 a.m. CST

    T3-Better Upon Second Viewing

    by OnnatopLover

    I just watched T3 for the second timelast night and enjoyed it even more than the first viewing. I already had the story in my mind and was able to really concentrate on the details and catch some things I didn't the first time around, especially in the dialogue. The story is almost Shakesperean in its tragedy. I watched it with an old college buddy last night (his 2nd viewing also) and we both came away excited about the different levels the story went into and how smartly it tied up so much from the first and second movie. I was so happy with the movie. I couldn't be happier for Arnold and how well this movie is doing. It's really his baby. I saw him interviewed and they were saying that the much of the "crane" chase scene was going to have to be cut because they were running out of money. Arnold stepped in and provided the cash out of his own pocket to finish it. I believe that was one of the keys to this movie, he and the director truly believed in this story and wanted to tell it. Couple of things I noticed in second time around: * Several folks are upset with the TX saying "I like this car" or "I like this gun" saying it's similar to "say this is a nice bike" from T2. Next time you watch T3, notice the glass in the clothing store where she comes in from the time portal. The artwork on the store front says "I like this style." Apparently the TX picked up on that as she walked out of the building. * When they are showing Kate's dad at the military installation on the phone, and the prototype HK flies up out of the hole, don't look at the HK next time. Notice what else is going on in the lab. My first viewing I was freaking out over the fact that they had built a prototype HK and was marveling at the FX. Last night however, I saw over to the left, there are a couple of technicians working on a prototype TERMINATOR! Yes, I'm sure it's a robotic soldier or something, but it is definitely taking the direction towards a T-101. Apparently, Skynet just takes all the military ideas and improves on them in the future. *Did you notice the date that Arnold tells Kate that John Connor was killed? It's July 4th. I thought that date was rather ironic, being Independence Day and John being the leader of the resistance towards Independence. There were several other ironic and forshadowed moments that we picked out in the script, but I can't remember them now. Next time you watch it though, listen for them. My second viewing of T3 was much better than the first time through. I was more excited after seeing it last night than I was the first time. And again, it left me wanting T4 even more. Are there any other things that I missed last night as far as irony or forshadowing that you TB's noticed?

  • July 19, 2003, 7:21 p.m. CST

    why T3 is as good as the first 2

    by Forget_Byron

    Gotta say, I've been putting off seeing this movie cause of my disheartening experience with the Matrix sequel. Say what you will, the sequel to the Matrix sucked, if for no other reason than because Neo, now some kind of super-human who can see the lines of code inside the Matrix, continues the traditional Kung-fu fighting style, despite assurances from Morpheus in the first movie "that when the time comes (to dodge bullets) you won't need to." But I digress. T3 is every bit as good as the original Terminator and T2, though I agree its completely different in its premise than those movies. That's what makes it so great. For all John Connor's effort, he can't stop the apocalypse. I was concerned before seeing the movie that the timeline would be chopped to shreds. That they would try to change the date on the viewers through some kind of perverse poetic license (it's been done before, even in this trilogy, and I mean T2, specifically). It was believable in a way that the Matrix Reloaded is not. And BTW, the comparison between the two movies IS NOT because they came out at the same time. It's because they're themes are the same. Man vs. machine. Back to my original point, the Matrix RE seemed to drift further and further from any tangible form of storyline as the movie progressed, until finally we the viewers can't even be sure whether the so-called "real world" is real. It really feels like the world Morpheus and the citizens of New Zion take as reality is just a larger Matrix. Hopefully the third film will clear that up, which I'm sure will make just as much as the first two, regardless of when it hits the big screen. No other movie release around that same time will affect it. Most, if not all people see more than one movie per month. The idea that the Warchowski brothers had to back the movie's release up a month is purely assinine.

  • July 20, 2003, 2:15 a.m. CST

    they totally messed up the time travel explanation

    by Brandybuck

    Techtite had it right. I saw T3 today. Watched T2 the night before. I was gravely disappointed with the huge time paradox plot holes of this film. The first film set up the idea that the time travel's effect on the future is unalterable, a closed loop similar to "12 Monkeys." A fine way to start for the film T1 was. T2 led us the other direction, that in fact the future could be changed. And this makes more sense. If the machines invented time travel, they'd surely have been able to figure this out, otherwise it would pointless to send back the first Terminator. T3 muddles this with the idea that, yes, you can change the timeline, but no matter how you change it, the consequences will always be the same or at least very similar. Sorry, that doesn't wash unless there is a metaphysical Fate (with the capital "F") self-correcting the flow of events in universe. Judgment Day depends on too many choices that people make along the way. Add time travel where you can keep re-choosing the events that lead to the outcome, and it MUST be possible to alter the future unless Fate (God?) is constantly robbing other people of free will in order to get back on the path of the pre-determined outcome. Yet all we got was the "sorry, it's inevitable" non-explanation. Sloppiness like that really irks me because it sends the message that the construction of the previous films was thrown out the window and a plot device created out of thin air to justify the "necessity" of furthering the story. As it stands now, the characters who in the future will go back to 1984 and 1992 will doso as people with different experiences than before, creating more alternate pasts that the characters in T3 don't remember. The whole thing has devolved into a multiple-paradoxical mess. Unless you throw Fate into the mix. But once you do that, it doesn't matter if John Connor dances the mambo all day in front of the T-X because the Resistance will still win. In fact, probably the surest way to destroy her would have been for John to try to get into bed during the entire picture. Maybe the fact that he was such a wimp would have caused her to malfunction out of pure shame.

  • July 20, 2003, 5:51 p.m. CST

    In James Camerons Eye ...

    by ganda1f

    Is it just me, or is the theme of this whole movie a giant finger poked right into James Camerons eye? The theme of the first two movies was that nothing was set - that our fate was our own. This movie basically harpoons that idea and supplants it with the theme that 'Our Destiny is Set, so it's no use fighting it.' Also, the end of this movie invalidates the first two. If judgement day happens, and John realises that the future is set, he's not going to tell Kyle Reese to go back in time and tell his mother that 'There is no fate but what we make.'

  • July 20, 2003, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Brian Griffon

    by oldschoolcalgary

    tsk, tsk...bringing in nationalism in a debate of T3? As for the Ebert review, yes, I can read...here is the final paragraph so YOU can read it: Is "Terminator 3" a skillful piece of work? Indeed. Will it entertain the Friday night action crowd? You bet. Does it tease and intrigue us like the earlier films did? Not really. Among recent sci-fi pictures, "Hulk" is in the tradition of science fiction that concerns ideas and personalities, and "Terminator 3" is dumbed down for the multiplex hordes. As for the Disneyland comment, T2 was *happy*: it was ambigious-hence the sequel. Not to worry Brian, the true tale of the tape is at the box office-and T3 is sinking fast! I guess you're one of the "multi-plex hordes"...uh uh-don't get mad-"talk to the hand"

  • July 24, 2003, 8:52 p.m. CST

    signs of wear

    by vger

    T3 was not a great flick, in fact it is the weakest of the 3 films thus far (although its FX are impressive in places); yet it is not a bad movie by any means. It would be kickass to see James Cameron come back with Alien5 followed right on its heels (same summer releases?) with a T4, both availing themselves not only of the superior storytelling technologies now available that weren't 12 years ago; but determined to "rectify" all the problems infesting these non-Cammo incarnations of the series' since the Cat's been away. T2, like Aliens, repays repeated viewings in a way I just can't see T3 getting away with; although there are some jammin sequences in it, 'specially FX wise that I'd like to look at several times---but totally unrelated to any of the plot considerations, which I found to be kinda weak in this one for a lotta reasons, like Mostow did a whole other (and not as good, imho) angle on the "set piece" kinda scene grandeur than did J.C. when he wrote and directed his installments.

  • July 25, 2003, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Terminator 3: OURTINYWORLD.com REVIEW

    by kikomartinez

    The Good: Although the new and improved Terminatrix doesn

  • July 27, 2003, 3:27 a.m. CST

    After seeing T2 on DVD I realize that T3 is really good

    by Jon E Cin

    I forgot about all the cheesy jokes in T2. T3 is worthy of the terminator series. So go see it. You wont be wasting your money!

  • July 31, 2003, 8:12 a.m. CST

    If there was no T2... but instead T3 was really T2.... then this

    by TheGinger Twit

  • Overall, there is a black cloud hanging over me and it is a cloud of disappointment. It's the same feeling I seem to get whenever I see films these days. I want to like them, want to love them, and they almost work, almost. They are almost good, but I just come out of them thinking, "well, it was alright, but..." Like, they almost succeeded but not quite. And the killer is that they had the ideas right here. They fucking had the ideas in the film!!! But do they make any use of them? Hell no! One cyborg vs one cyborg IS SIMPLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH, just like two T-rex's instead of one in The Lost World is NOT GOOD ENOUGH after Jurassic Park. I don't care if the T-X is one good looking woman. If I want tits, I can see them in other films that I haven't waited more than ten years to see! Okay, how would it have been better? How about AN ARMY OF TERMINATORS BEING SENT BACK? Some other posters have said this and they're spot-on? Let's have a WAR MOVIE, rather than one-on-one battles, please! I LOVED when T-800 got corrupted, but what happened? Nothing! I LOVED when we saw the original ED-209 style robots become operational. But what happened? One puny fight? Is that it? Waaaaaaaaaaay too many plot-details thrown in and forgotten. The T-X can control machines and CARS!!! So why does she send a fleet after Connor's van? Why not just program it to stop and then stroll over to it? And why did she shoot people? That's not exciting? It's not even interesting! And how convenient that John and Kate knew each other!!! Wow! Erm, no!! NO, NO, NO!!! We've waited since... when 1991 for this? Don't fob us off, Mostow. The possibilities this film deserves shouldn't be wasted. What we have here is a bridging film, an in-between film, like--yes!!!-- Matrix Reloaded AND The Two Towers. All of them INTRODUCTIONS FOR SOMETHING BETTER NEXT TIME! So, Mr. Mostow, you have now set up Part Four... Make it. And make it good. Read these talkbacks and listen to what we want. The only satisfying thing this next film can deliver is AN APOCALYPSE. ARMIES OF TERMINATORS! DESTRUCTION! Complete the loop. It has to be done.............. Good, that's my thoughts. So, now I can remember what I was thinking on 31/07/03. I'll be interested to see if they change when I see the film next.

  • July 31, 2003, 6:49 p.m. CST

    T3

    by GrumpyCal

    Good film. A nice summer 'blockbuster'. Not in the same league as the first 2 though. This film felt like it was aimed at a younger audience than the previous efforts, yes I know you could make a good argument about the fist-through-the-chest scene, but to me it still felt sanitised somehow. Also, WHO thought it would be a good idea to inject so much fucking humour into a Terminator film?? This pissed me off and goes back to my comment about it's taget age group. There was a line spoken by Arnie in the film about levity relieving tension - well this unfortunately also worked against the film. T's 1 and 2 had bucketloads of tension (in places) helped by the fact that neither were playing it for laughs but unfortunately for me the near constant flow of gags prevented any sort of tension build up this time around. Despite the gripes I'd say that this was still a fairly solid effort and no where near as bad as it could have been. I'd also say that they should call it a day there - this film didn't feel like it had the soul of a Terminator film and unless Cameron gets heavily involved then T4 can only be a bad idea.

  • July 31, 2003, 9:31 p.m. CST

    X2?

    by adsega

    People, I agree that Matrix Reloaded was utter, utter shite, despite the fact the original Matrix was quality. There seems little point in repeating the shortcomings of Reloaded... However, what gets me is X2 props. I thought X2 was just ALL OVER THE PLACE. Way too many characters, subplots, too much godamn bullshit. Give me a film, not a poorly converted fuck-knows-how-many-years comic crammed into an hour of less-than-cutting-edge effects and zero character development or excietment. Fine, the X-Men rule in the comics and the cartoons etc, and even in the first flick, but X2 was juct crap (my opinion). Back on subject, T3 does the business and then some. I agree with so much of what's been said here - but the feedback is so goddamn popular it's almost impossible to read all of it - this third film has the balls to take Terminator to its next logical chapter, and it oozes class in the process. The ideas behind the franchise are incredible, and T3 respects all of them while taking them a stage further. Despite being called a cunt, Mostow seems a top guy to me, who has made a third film that I as a fan love, and non-obsessives seemed to enjoy in comparable measure. T3 simply kicks ass. Nothing will beat it this year except (so I hear) Pirates of the Carrib., and by about 20x, ROTK. Revolutions has a lot to fucking redeem with the travesty that was Reloaded, I am sure it can fuck off. Bring on T4. I will happily buy one million extra T3 DVDs when released if Kassar/Vajna think the project needs more cash to justify T4 funding. Keep Mostow, props for alrerady signing Stahl as Connor who was much better then Furlong would have been (why all the fuss before T3 release about Furlong, the mess of an individual who actually was actually quite piss poor in T2). Show us the war and blow us away, in the way you have indicated you ovsiously have the confidence to with the ballsy, satisfying and fantastic project that was T3. I want to have sex with this franchise.

  • Aug. 1, 2003, 1:04 a.m. CST

    T3 Good as Action Film

    by illbeback.net

    Very entertaining and reminiscent of the past films. It seemed more action than sci fi. T3 worked for me because of the action, humor, and all the Terminator nostalgia it brought back.

  • Aug. 4, 2003, 4:51 a.m. CST

    T3

    by shape_shifter

    Okay Terminator 3, came out in UK a couple of days ago, and my response???? I can never again watch T1 or T2 in the same light ever again, they have a destroyed a classic story.. Any credibility that Arnie had as a star, got flushed down the toilet along with this shit film... What disapointed me the most was Harrys review of the film. I am sure Harry that ur fat ass must have got some good meal deals for the shit u wrote. Arnie is just a gay terminator in this film, no violence no nothing. Fuckin hell, his performance in 6th day was a lot better. They could have focused alot more on why tx is a woman, focus more on the future war, make arnie like he was in T2, have a better script.. For a 175 million movie, where did the money go? I know jack shit about film making, but i could have done a better job than Johnathan Mostow!!!!! Harry i will never ever trust ur reviews again, get ur thumb out of ur fat ass, actually no, get out of the fuckin industry coz u are one ugly git, u make me sick and ur fat ass is an insult to all the good looking peeps in this world.

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 4:26 a.m. CST

    The TX was a shitty terminator

    by shogunpoker

    While T3 was not up to par with Cameron's vision, I must admit that I did enjoy watching Arnie kicking ass as the Terminator. The TX was so fuckin gimmicky it was lame. She obviously looks good, but when I saw a fuckin buzzsaw come out of her hand it reminded me of something you'd see in the Jetsons. SPOILER: How come if she can control cars and other machines, why the hell did'nt she send Johnny Connor into a head on collision with Arnie in that crane chase? Don't get me wrong, I liked the chase scene, but giving her all these stupid powers which she is'nt even smart enough to utilize?

  • Aug. 5, 2003, 5:04 a.m. CST

    pile of shite

    by shape_shifter

    T3 is shite!!! T3 is shite!!! T3 is shite!!! T3 is shite!!! Why cant u peeps see that? The story was good, but the rest was shite!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 9, 2003, 12:47 p.m. CST

    THANK GOD!!!! Ahnold for Governor!

    by oldschoolcalgary

    Now we don't have to watch that complete TRASH that would have been T4 (unless Cameron came back)... Look at the numbers: T2 made more money than T3 at this point after opening-AND THAT'S IN 1992 MOVIE PRICES! Imagine the difference in ticket SALES... Told you clowns it SUCKED...remote control cars? dumbest...episode...EVER!

  • Aug. 11, 2003, 3:13 a.m. CST

    T3 = poop

    by squid1138

    I was really pissed off after seeing T3. I had a funny feeling, after watching this movie, that I had seen it before. I did. It was T2. T3 was a repeat storyline of its' predecessor. The only difference was they finally got around to destroying the world. And why is it, whenever John Connor sends back a cyborg to protect him in the past? That he keeps sending back the same obsolete model to do battle with the more advanced models the machines send? You think he would have learned something from his past. I think it is time to either take the story into the future wars...or retire the series. If you must see this film. Save your money and rent it.

  • Aug. 11, 2003, 5:27 a.m. CST

    terminator 33 1/3

    by MagnumP.I.

    I wanted a terminator film not a naked gun style piss take of the first two!

  • Aug. 16, 2003, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Terminator 3 sucks A.I. ass

    by I Would

    One of the worst films of the summer. The Matrix Reloaded, The Hulk, Pirates Of the Carribean and even the crappy X2 kicks its ass. Clearly, T3 was aimed at a dumb audience, judging by the amount of morons posting on this TalkBack thing (all of which are Terminator fans). Just wait until The Matrix Revolutions and Return Of The King come out later this year. No one will want to know this film any more and quite rightly so.

  • Aug. 16, 2003, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Iconic robitic moments (yes, fucking robitic)

    by Tony fucknuts

    Yer one was shockingly unconvincing as ever being a threat to any of them. As robitic(yes, i mispelt it once, but i intend to drag it out)menaces go, she had nothing on the big fuck-off cyborg thing that stalks jamie lee curtis in Virus, which also reminds me of the thing Robocop fights in Robocop 2, you know the one with the chain gun on its arm with the criminal mind.How and ever, she does look quite pretty with her hair down, even if this is a cheap tactic to avoid showing us her bosoms. Hence, the most iconic robitic celluloid moment must surely be the bit where they turn jonny 5 gold and give him his citizenship. He bled battery acid.

  • Aug. 16, 2003, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Iconic robitic moments (yes, fucking robitic)

    by Tony fucknuts

    Yer one was shockingly unconvincing as ever being a threat to any of them. As robitic(yes, i mispelt it once, but i intend to drag it out)menaces go, she had nothing on the big fuck-off cyborg thing that stalks jamie lee curtis in Virus, which also reminds me of the thing Robocop fights in Robocop 2, you know the one with the chain gun on its arm with the criminal mind.How and ever, she does look quite pretty with her hair down, even if this is a cheap tactic to avoid showing us her bosoms. Hence, the most iconic robitic celluloid moment must surely be the bit where they turn jonny 5 gold and give him his citizenship. He bled battery acid.

  • Aug. 16, 2003, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Iconic robitic moments (yes, fucking robitic)

    by Tony fucknuts

    Yer one was shockingly unconvincing as ever being a threat to any of them. As robitic(yes, i mispelt it once, but i intend to drag it out)menaces go, she had nothing on the big fuck-off cyborg thing that stalks jamie lee curtis in Virus, which also reminds me of the thing Robocop fights in Robocop 2, you know the one with the chain gun on its arm with the criminal mind.How and ever, she does look quite pretty with her hair down, even if this is a cheap tactic to avoid showing us her bosoms. Hence, the most iconic robitic celluloid moment must surely be the bit where they turn jonny 5 gold and give him his citizenship. He bled battery acid.

  • Aug. 22, 2003, 6:53 a.m. CST

    T3 Vs. Reloaded

    by max314

    Let's get one thing straight people...The Matrix Reloaded was an interesting sequel, and in conjunction with The Animatrix and Enter The Matrix, it was totally solid and presented in a completely unique way. Now, with T3: Rise Of The Machines, we have an overeditted potential masterpiece that just fails to give the same cinematic satisfaction as T2: Judgement Day. Before you start yelling at your computer screens, just hear me out; T3 is NOT a BAD film. It needs a bit of fleshing out, but it is not a disaster by any stretch of the imagination. I also think that comparing it to T2 is not the order of the day, because T3 is as different from T2, as T2 was from T1. T3, n my view, stands as a great 'Part 3' and is cinematically very original. Whereas Reloaded went COMPLETELY out of the water with its promotional campaigns and multi-media presentation (the story is scattered through different mediums), T3 decided to be short, succinct...and leaving us gagging for more. As for revenues of The Matrix as compared to Star Wars - Episode 1: The Phantom Menace...for God's sake, for an R-Rated film, Jusus Christ! What an accomplishment! Anyone who says otherwise is just plain WRONG. Episode 1, with all of its promotional stuff and existing fanbase was an assured success. Don't compare it with The Matrix, which is a VERY alternative movie. I also agree theat The Matrix has lifted ideas straight from John Woo movies, anim

  • Aug. 22, 2003, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Is Reloaded boring and bad...?

    by max314

    No. Well, not really. It's the middle part of a trilogy. If we look at it like one big movie, and real film-buffs will be with me on this, all films sag in the middle. So, as a result, it's a GREAT movie...but on its own, it's just good.

  • Aug. 26, 2003, 11:34 a.m. CST

    T3 good, T2 much better

    by Bodega Favour

    First of all I would like to say that T3 surprised me. After seeing clips, trailers and making of footage I feared the worsed,(like Harry I had memories of Alien 3 and what that did to the Alien series). Right now for the only real question the film left me with: As Arnie pointed out he is powered by two 'cells' that when damaged become unstable and explode. So at the end of the film when the T850 removed the final cell how come he doesn't just shut down? Also in the original Terminator how come it did not explode when he was crushed?, surelly those energy cells would have been damaged. T2 is still the best, "I like your gun" is no substitute for "Say that's a nice bike".

  • Aug. 28, 2003, 12:39 p.m. CST

    YOU DESPERATE IDIOTS! THIS FILM WAS SHIT! You wanted 10 minutes

    by silentbobafett2

    reinventing the Terminator series! Well FUCKERS! You odn't need to! This filmw as sooooo shit I'm so fuckin gpissed of! Ten years + I've been waiting for this and fucking Mostow fucked it right up! Bring on T4 AND MAKE IT GOOD! IT SHOULD CONTINUE RIGHT FROM WHERE THE THIRD ONE FINSIHED! THEN THE THIRD ONE MIGHT HAVE SOME BEARING!!!!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 30, 2003, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Desperate Idiots?

    by Bodega Favour

    Ok, Silentbobafett2, so you think that we are all desperate idiots for liking T3. But the Trust is, I surspect a lot of us don't think T3 is a masterpiece, it doesnt even really deserve it sit on the same shelf as the first two films in the video store. The fact is most people are just relieved that this film didn't distroy all that went before it, after all it was a sequel that no one really wanted.

  • Oct. 13, 2003, 8:48 p.m. CST

    God, Bodega is a dirty Dillhole

    by lunchbox69210

    Dude, the movie was great, shut ur hole

  • Dec. 12, 2003, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Glad I watched it on DVD

    by 32768

    There was a lot I liked in T3,but for me it missed the mark by a long way. The TX seemed to be a step back from the old T9000. When T101 gets reprogrammed you would have thought that TX would have done a better job of it. Let's face it she is supposed to be a state of the art, artificially intelligent android. It stretches credibility that she would do such a crude hack job. I liked the ending, and I'm not being facetious. I liked the idea that Skynet was endemic to the internet and not a particular machine. It is very hard to put my finger on what I didn't like. If T3 was food then someone forgot to put salt in the vegetables.