MORIARTY Finally Reviews HULK, Sits SPELLBOUND, And Rages About 28 DAYS LATER!!
Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...
Since last Thursday, I’ve seen more films in the theater than it feels like I have in the whole last month. It’s been nice, and I thought I’d spitball my thoughts on everything I’ve seen before I head underground again.
dir. Ang Lee
scr. John Turman and Michael France and James Schamus
It’s always funny to me when I hear people talk about how AICN and Marvel must have some kind of “deal.” One of the guy who has been working hardest to try and advance that theory is David Poland, who went to not one, not two, but THREE separate free press screenings of HULK before it opened. Y’know how many I was invited to? Zilch. Zero. I mean, I tried to get into one. I pulled whatever strings I thought I could pull. And in every case, I came up empty. Shit, maybe we’re so far in Avi Arad’s pocket that he forgot he put us there.
At any rate, I just ended up buying 12 tickets for the 7:10 show opening night at the Cinerama Dome, one of my favorite theaters in the whole world. Me and a whole mess of friends planned an evening of it, and I stopped trying to work out a way to see it early. Then, late Thursday night, I called John Robie to ask him something completely unrelated to HULK, something I forgot to ask because of the question he cut me off with: “So... are you going to the midnight show?”
When I bought those Friday night tickets, there was no pre-Friday midnight show scheduled yet. I wouldn’t have bought them if there were, since I wasn’t even sure I was going to be in town that night. Robie told me they had just added the show, though, and there were still plenty of tickets left. “No one knows about it.” The six-year-old Marvel freak inside of me couldn’t resist, no matter how early I had to get up for business on Friday morning. “Dude... get me one.”
The lobby of the Arclight was surprisingly quiet when I showed up about a quarter till. I recognized many of the faces I saw in the small crowd packed into the first few rows of the balcony and most of the floor. Quite a bit of the Dome was empty. Still, thanks to the assigned seating, the ushers wouldn’t let me sit with Robie and Gregor Samsa. As I made my way to my seat, I spoke to several people I knew. This year, I’ve seen the same hardcore geeks at every pre-opening midnight show for every big summer geek movie. At the Chinese, at the Arclight, at the Grove. No one hands out written invitations or coordinates anything, but still... every time... there’s Brian Posehn, front and freakin’ center. I settled in, sleepy but excited and curious as all hell. The next night, I was thrilled to take everyone back so I could see it again and so I could talk to my friends about it afterwards.
As long as I’ve been at AICN, there’s been a HULK movie in some stage of development. In some ways, seeing that first screening felt like a dream. It was one of those things I figured would never actually happen, like INDY 4 or FREDDY VS. JASON. Wait... I’m sensing a trend... my god, if the impossible keeps happening at this rate, I may end up seeing my own name onscreen soon.
I thought the end result was well worth the wait, a film that is alternately silly and sad and spectacular, a schizophrenic spectacle with a chamber drama heart. The things I love about the film totally outweigh the things that left me cold, and with each day that goes by, as HULK sinks further in, I find my admiration for Ang Lee’s damn fool experiment growing. His work with cinematographer Fredrick Elmes (BLUE VELVET) and editor Tim Squyres (who’s been with Lee on every film he’s ever made) is bold, assertive, and seems to be hotly dividing viewers. Me... I loved it. The film has a pulse, a heartbeat, and it’s painted with one of the richest palettes I’ve seen in any film all summer. The Hulk makes green look gooooooood, to paraphrase Will Smith.
Eric Bana and Jennifer Connelly have largely thankless roles. Most of the material between them makes up the “boring” first hour. Thing is, I didn’t think it was boring. At all. It was too busy being weird as shit to be boring. From that first loony montage with the two guys doing their best impressions of young Nick Nolte and young Sam Elliott to that last shot of Bana with the big Jesus beard and the frog on his head, this film walks the fine line between dead serious and completely deranged. Jellyfish swarming over a desert floor like iridescent mushroom clouds. Green and purple swarms of genetic information. A Hulk Poodle. I repeat... a goddamn Hulk Poodle. An ending as cosmic and far out as the strangest ‘70’s comics I cut my teeth on. The absolutely laugh out loud crazy death of Talbot. These are the touches that make the film for me, but I can easily see how they might be the exact flourishes that turn some other audiences off.
And then there’s Nolte.
I think it’s safe to describe his work in the film as “screaming bugfuck nuts.” Which is, I think, the point.
I moderated Nolte earlier this year in a live Q&A in Santa Monica after a screening of THE GOOD THIEF, and one of the things I asked him is why he took a role in HULK when he’s been so notorious for turning down role after role in potential blockbusters over the years.
”Well,” he growled, “I told ‘em I’d play SUPERMAN back in ’78, but only if they’d let me play him clinically schizophrenic.”
The audience laughed for a moment, but he glared them back into silence. “I’m not kidding.”
Seriously. He’s not kidding.
My favorite Nolte moment in the film is also the place where it feels like the whole enterprise has hopped the tracks and gone just plumb loco. You know the scene I mean, too, even if I don’t say it. It’s like a community theater production of August Strindberg’s version of HULK suddenly. Nolte and Bana. The stage. Two spotlights. No score at all. And Bana’s basically just sitting there shaking the whole time. That means it’s all up to Nick. And what does he do? He just dives in and bathes in the crazy. He starts chewing the scenery. LITERALLY. The scene is astonishingly goofy... and yet... that’s why it works for me.
My favorite performance in the film is by the title character, the Hulk himself. I cannot fully express how much I enjoyed watching every move the Hulk made. He is strikingly designed, an impossible mass of muscle and angles, and he manages to convey real depth of emotion. He’s at his best in the rampage that leads him from Desert Base to San Francisco. The way he responds to each fresh obstacle, the way he discovers new limits, or lack of limits, almost by accident... it convinced me that he was a living, breathing thing. I love the moments where he wobbles, almost out of control, but figuring it out as he goes. I love how he closes his eyes, lets the wind whip at his face. His pure emotional pleasure at the act of flying (and, yeah, I know he’s technically just jumping, but puh-leeeeze...) makes me think of Miyazaki and the best moments of KIKI or NAUSICAA or PORCO ROSSO. The Hulk is a thing of nature, not of science, and that choice bothers some viewers. They like their superpowers delivered in a box, nice and tidy. Peter Parker + radioactive spider = Spider-Man. 1-2-3.
That’s not what Lee’s after, though. He seems to say here that we’ve all got the Hulk inside us. David Banner accidentally triggered something in his son, tampered with some primal, important switch that shouldn’t be tampered with. He gave an exit to Bruce’s id. He paved the way for the Hulk to come out. The accident here is just a catalyst, part of a process. The movie’s version of the Hulk breaks the carefully drawn line that has always existed in the Marvel universe between heroes born of technology and the mutants, born to it. Maybe it’s that simple transgression that rubs so many fans the wrong way.
I love that Universal’s embraced the controversy. They’re not running from the mixed reviews; they’re delighting in them. The new radio spots say, “See the film everyone’s arguing about.” Right on. Love it or hate it, HULK is worth seeing. I love it when a filmmaker slips a freakshow over on a studio, like Tim Burton’s BATMAN RETURNS or... well... Tim Burton’s MARS ATTACKS. No one but Tim Burton would ever think to make those films that way, for better or for worse, and it’s the same way with Ang Lee’s HULK. The film is a visual and aural assault on par with Godfrey Reggio’s KOYAANISQATSI.
I never expected that the word that would best sum up HULK for me would be “beautiful.”
dir. Jeffrey Blitz
I have written before, at length, about the special place in my heart for good documentary films. At their best, they are windows into other lives that somehow impart something that we can understand, no matter what our differences. Sunday afternoon, I debated between this and CAPTURING THE FRIEDMANS, and ended up choosing this just because it’s been out longer and will probably leave theaters first. This is one of those warm, human little snapshots that stick with you for days afterwards. Jeffrey Blitz, a first-timer with a sharp eye and a big heart, follows eight kids as they prepare for the National Spelling Bee in Washington D.C. We meet the kids, we meet their families, and we get a glimpse at how these very different personalities handle this one particular pressure.
I was always too much of a smarty pants to do well in spelling bees. I would do great at first, and then as soon as got smug about doing well, I’d screw up and get booted out. It takes a special kind of kid to do really well in those competitions, and the film’s true brilliance is the way Blitz gets each of the kids to open up and reveal themselves. Wait... actually, that’s not true. One of the kids, Neil, is a total stiff on-camera, but his father more than makes up for it. Seems fitting, since the kid seems to have no interest in spelling. It’s his father who is obsessed with victory and excellence and the value of hard work.
In all the other cases, though, we meet smart kids who are fascinated by words. They are self-driven by a variety of motivators, and the fun comes from figuring them out. There’s Angela, whose Mexican father snuck across the border into this country so that she’d have a shot at a good education. He’s never learned English in his 20 years in the country, but his silent pride in his daughter’s accomplishment is quite touching. There’s Nupur, the sweet-faced Indian girl who loves the violin, who is amazed by herself each time she spells something right, a stealth prodigy. There’s Harry, the hyperactive overemotional kid who opens the film with his showstopping performance on the ESPN coverage of the Bee. There’s Ted, a lurching Yeti of a kid who just doesn’t seem comfortable in his own skin, and whose whole family seems confused by his obvious intelligence. There’s Emily, the princess of the piece, a little Veruca Salt in training, all sunshine when she’s on a horse or practicing for the Bee, but whose competitive nature really comes out as the film progresses. There’s April, the little sourpuss who convinces herself early on that she won’t win, but who seems to be unstoppable as the competition wears on. And there’s Angela, the black girl from D.C.’s inner city, who has one of the sweetest dispositions of any kid I’ve ever seen, an unquenchable spirit.
One of the film’s canniest moves is the late introduction of Georgie. See, up until Georgie comes along, we’re naturally assuming that one of the kids we’re following is going to win. I mean, that’s how films like this work, right? But in Washington, at the National finals, we meet last year’s fourth-place winner, a doughy home-schooled little assassin with an Elmer Fudd speech impediment. This is Georgie. And Georgie, who is younger than basically everyone else there, is determined that he’s going to win this year. All the other kids are suitably afraid of Georgie. I love how his arrival suddenly ratchets up the film’s suspense. We want out of “our kids” to win as we watch, not this Georgie kid. That’s the mark of great documentary filmmaking. Blitz makes us care about each one of these kids and really invest in them. This is as effective a sports film as ROCKY or THE KARATE KID or SEARCHING FOR BOBBY FISHER, and I highly recommend you check it out when you get the chance.
28 DAYS LATER
dir. Danny Boyle
scr. Alex Garland
I am of mixed opinion on Danny Boyle’s work so far. SHALLOW GRAVE was sick fun that holds up. TRAINSPOTTING makes me drunk on movies every time I see it. A LIFE LESS ORDINARY is like the hangover the morning after, a painful mess. THE BEACH is a noble failure, and his small films STRUMPET and VACUUMING NUDE IN PARADISE were minor gems, promising if inconsequential.
Walking into 28 DAYS LATER on Tuesday night, all I wanted was a decent genre exercise. Both the Harrys I talk to most often – Knowles and Lime – had prepped me for the shameless Romero theft, so I was more interested in the energy of the film than I was in the story being told. And, yes, you could point to material in this that is reminiscent of all three of Romero’s films, but oddly, that didn’t really matter to me once things got going. Thanks to Alex Garland’s lean, smart screenplay and Boyle’s crackling good directorial work, what I got was one of the big surprises of 2003 for me so far.
I’d seen the film’s iconic first ten minutes several times already, but that’s probably a good thing, since I found myself more amazed by how good the DV looks on the bigscreen than interested in what, specifically, was going on. This is important cinematography by Anthony Dod Mantle, a milestone of sorts. Anyone looking to shoot a microbudget film would do well to study this movie. The image quality isn’t a problem; it’s a blessing. It feels gritty. It feels immediate. It feels real.
The performances are strong across the board. Cillian Murphy, Naomie Harris, Megan Burns, and Brendan Gleeson are all excellent as survivors of the Rage virus epidemic, and when Christopher Eccleston shows up with his soldiers later in the film, there’s some great ensemble work on display. These people are all shell-shocked, still just coming to grips with the end of the world. I’ve always been fascinated with the character of Lord Humungous in THE ROAD WARRIOR. I’ve asked Harry Lime before, “What do you think that guy was doing before the world ended? And what made him decide that it was time for the hockey mask and the bondage gear?”
The world in 28 DAYS LATER hasn’t decayed quite that far yet, but it feels like it’s on its way. It feels hopeless, truly without escape. It successfully paints a picture of life upside down, a waking nightmare that’s still sinking in for those who are trapped in it. It’s real horror... and it’s a damn good film.
I was going to try to finish up today with my review of SINBAD, since I saw it this evening and it’s still fresh. I was also going to try to work in some DVD reviews. But the sun’s coming up, and I’ve got pages to make today. I guess all that is going to have to wait until next time. Until then...
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June 27, 2003, 9:44 a.m. CST
28 days turned into some weird hostage/army story. Marketing is making 28 days look like Resident Evil when it nowhere near a horror movie.
June 27, 2003, 9:46 a.m. CST
On "Out of Order" -- awesome sauna scene! Almost worth the 20 year wait! Thank you Ms. Bateman!
June 27, 2003, 9:50 a.m. CST
by SeVen Higgins
I thought Mori helped write the script for Mortal Kombat 3. According to IMDB. And when is that coming out, I know its been bootlegged but I want to see Lambert as Raiden again.
June 27, 2003, 9:50 a.m. CST
can't wait to see the hulk tonight, a full week late...do i belong here?
June 27, 2003, 9:55 a.m. CST
For the love of God, avoid seeing Charlies Angels: Full Throttle and go see 28 Days Later. If we're not careful, they'll make another Charlies Angels. Plus, 28 Days later is excellent. As for the Hulk, the new ad campaign is brilliant, although it didnt work for A.I. which tried a similar stunt. You mentioned Batman Returns which was truly a great Trojan Horse of a movie, but the end result was that Batman Returns was good. Hulk was a mess. No one has still explained to me why it took nearly 5 and a half minutes of screen time to show Banner being transported in a helicopter across the desert. No one has explained why Lucas' death was so completely retarded. Nolte is bad in this movie, laughably bad. I'm still reeling from Avi Arad calling his performance "Oscar Caliber". Obviously Avi has been sniffing glue.
June 27, 2003, 10:13 a.m. CST
It wasn't so great that you needed to rave about, nor so offensively bad you had to rant about it, it's just there, another animated adventure that's okay but great. Mediocrity only because we've seen it before. Normally that'd be fine except that the 2D animation industry needs a genuinely innovative hit.
June 27, 2003, 10:26 a.m. CST
and he succeeded. And in doing so, created a film that will not be forgotten anytime soon, love it or hate it. *friendswithbenefits.com*
June 27, 2003, 10:37 a.m. CST
I like to talk shit as much as a webmaster at Scorched-Planet, but could you be a bit more specific than just saying, "Duh, I didn't like this movie, just because."
June 27, 2003, 10:39 a.m. CST
by Curiously Strong
...are the movies available for download? SNAP!
June 27, 2003, 10:47 a.m. CST
Thank you for the reviews. I loved "Hulk" too and I think those commercial spots are absolutely wonderful. I saw it on TV yesterday, and when it said, "It's the film everyone's arguing about" -- I just smiled. It was great, drawing attention to its criticism, and as you said, reveling in it. It's a beautiful film, and it really stays with you. That's the one thing that struck me perhaps the most is how much I thought about the film after seeing it. It has been heavy on my mind, certain scenes replaying, going over the dialogue again. I'm going to see it again this weekend for the second time, and from what I heard, the second time is even better? I can't imagine. :)
June 27, 2003, 10:50 a.m. CST
by Darth Thoth
waylayer is correct in stating that Ang Lee aspired to make something different and succeeded on all levels. It dared to be serious, funny, outrageous, and cool all rolled into one. It was a stylish masterpiece. While I still hold some reservations about certain scenes feeling rushed, the movie was undoubtedly loads of fun and intriguing. Beautifully directed, great acting, good story, and superb work by ILM. All in all it's the quality I expected coming from Marvel and Ang Lee. And great review as always Mori. I can't wait to see 28 Days Later. Peace.
June 27, 2003, 10:53 a.m. CST
by Frying Bologna?
Um, did I read right this morning that the guy who uploaded the Hulk workprint has been busted? The story didn't mention AICN by name, but it did mention a shitstorm occurring on an online movie site surrounding the downloading of the movie and the viewers complaining that Hulk looked fake. Sounds kinda familiar...
June 27, 2003, 10:56 a.m. CST
I'm serious, it's so obvious that everyone involved was completely convinced that they were making "art," and they played it all with such a serious straight face, that seeing the future camp classic unfold before my eyes that they obviously had NO IDEA THEY WERE IN was the most entertaining thing since Keanu Reeves screamed to the heavens, "I AM AN F! B! I! AGENT!"
June 27, 2003, 11:03 a.m. CST
Which is good cause I was worried for a moment there. Can't wait to see the two of these babies that were not released months ago.
June 27, 2003, 11:15 a.m. CST
hulk was boring and when it wasnt boring it was cheesy....what many people dont know is that hulk doesnt refer to the big green langoliers lookin thingie..the hulk is jennifer connellys nose...28 days later was a non-zombie zombie movie with a stupid "who cares about zombies...lets rape the two girls" ending...i swear...stupid movies are always so overhyped on this site its not even funny
June 27, 2003, 11:22 a.m. CST
It seems that too many people out there (and you know who you are)are not enjoying the Hulk because they have to use their brains. You cocksuckers crack me up, Mori's correct in that you all want is things spelt out. Jesus you just moan and moan and moan, usually over your latest copy of chunky ass's whilst your Ma's cooking you dinner because you can't get a date on Friday night.
June 27, 2003, 11:43 a.m. CST
I don't think the problem with the Hulk is that we had to use our brains. If any group likes to use their brains, it's the nerdy comic book geek that we all are. The problem with the Hulk is that Ang Lee forgot to make it fun. He has the "thinking" thing down in that we all had to think. But the best comic movies have walked the line successfully of making both a movie that is engaging to it's audience AND making it loads of fun at the same time. I think Ang's problem is that he took himself too damn seriously.
June 27, 2003, 11:46 a.m. CST
Well, I was planning on seeing the Hulk Sunday afternoon - now I can look forward to "Hulk poodles" and Talbot getting waxed. Thanks LOADS, Mori. >:-(
June 27, 2003, 11:49 a.m. CST
by Serious Black
Excellent review, Mori. Yeah, the Hulk
June 27, 2003, 12:01 p.m. CST
by jules windex
Using that rationale, every film is good, no matter how much bad shit there is in it. Hulk was a failure
June 27, 2003, 12:06 p.m. CST
I wouldn't really say it was a failure, the furthest i'd go is to call it a less brutal "Fight Club". I've never seen a "Life Less Ordinary" all the way through, only parts of it. Like any rational person I have nothing but admiration for "Trainspotting". I'd say Danny Boyle has tripped, but never fallen. Oh, and Moriarty, that line about being in Avi's pocket, smooth very smooth.
June 27, 2003, 12:21 p.m. CST
I just don't understand these kids today. Bring on 28 DAYS LATER, goddammit! I sooooooooooo badly need a dose of semi-zombie gore!!!!
June 27, 2003, 12:35 p.m. CST
I figured any movie that would keep a youngstter sitting in a steaming pile of his own feces would be at worst extremely watchable. I walked away from the Hulk feeling nothing. I was neither happy or upset, just blah. I expected much more from someone who was able to create such a haunting and moving movie like crouching tiger. As my friend and I sat and ate lunch afterward and discussed the Hulk, huge plot holes suddenly started appearing. This movie cannot hold up to scrutiny. It was a rambling mess. ***Semi SPoiler*** Can anyone answer how someone who has been out of Jail one month is able to procure the type of equipment that Nolte's character had? How was he able to understand current technology? I'm pretty sure that since the Army locked him up for his experiments, they wouldn't keep him up to date on all the latest in Hulk building technology. When did Bruce Banner stop turning a shade of green when he got mad? Is that why Jennifer Connely broke up with him? He caught her eating his last power bar and he turned a shade of green, which freaked her out and she booked it? Was it the Nanobots that turned him into the Hulk or was it the radiation? If it was the radiation, why didn't the bomb in the beginning turn him into a baby hulk? What does he have to be so angry about? This is just the tip of the Iceberg on these type of question. Too many holes, lame story and no where near enough Hulk.
June 27, 2003, 12:43 p.m. CST
...anybody who disagrees with him and the rest of his bitter little cronies he believes is employed by this site. Either stop listening to FTF, or up your meds a few milligrams already. And yes, we know you loved the Hulk movie, you described in the past its CGI was like a sexual act you've heard about but you've never actually performed due to your inability to attract a female partner. With your ability to predict that "The Punisher" and the Superman films will suck without having actually seen them, it's no wonder your head is firmly lodged up a boring, cowardly webmaster's ass.
June 27, 2003, 12:44 p.m. CST
Mark S. Allen, UPN Network, raves "Forget those Angels, SpellBound's sexy spelling champions make this the must-see tits and ass movie of the summer!"
June 27, 2003, 12:55 p.m. CST
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June 27, 2003, 1:02 p.m. CST
Umm, can't comapre the "success" of The Beach to Fight Club. The Beach really was a disaster, everywhere. Fight Club was a huge box office smash in every single market outside North America. It made its distributors plenty. Regards, Eduin
June 27, 2003, 1:05 p.m. CST
The HULK: The best super-hero/comic book movie I have ever seen. Schamus has improved upon the origin story of the Hulk and Ang Lee has made a visually stunning movie. Extremely well paced and shot. I was never confused when it came to what, where, when and who. Nolte and Bana are great. I can't wait for the sequel. A movie for nerds, geeks, scholars, and the squeamish but, not for morons. Morons will be amazed by the effects but, will be left wondering about the science and philosophy behind the eye candy. They will probably be dumbfounded and angered to the point where they will lash out at this movie. Starving for the standard dumbed-down superhero eye candy they will complain that this movie is too far-fetched.
June 27, 2003, 1:10 p.m. CST
by Feudal Fetus
Can anyone explain why Nick Nolte's hand has scales and horns all over it when he first turns into the absorbing man? Just wondering.
June 27, 2003, 1:11 p.m. CST
by Banky the Hack
What the hell?s up with all the question marks?
June 27, 2003, 1:23 p.m. CST
I've heard many people saying they liked it, and it's not that I can't see why. I think Ang Lee did a great job in the sense that the movie looks good. I like the frames, the colors, the textures, the pacing... But to me the human side of the movie is mishandled badly. It is in part due to a terrible script, which is in fact very shallow and not too brainy at all. I
June 27, 2003, 1:24 p.m. CST
Probably would have been better then the second half of the movie. So much promise.......
June 27, 2003, 1:24 p.m. CST
by Trav McGee
It's ALWAYS time to break out the hockey mask and bondage gear. I guess it all depends on how liberal your office dress code is, really.
June 27, 2003, 1:35 p.m. CST
by Serious Black
June 27, 2003, 1:38 p.m. CST
by Lou Stools
Huge let down and way off the mark. Read the review in the Film Vomitorium section of nopointnecessary.com for a concise view on this green POS.
June 27, 2003, 1:55 p.m. CST
Seriously, did they just rent a swimming pool toy for the Big Green parts? Quite possibly the most screwed up movie this year. And the "daddy doesn't love me blues" storyline...please. During the "hulk poodle" scenes, Jennifer Connelly looks like she's checking out the price of salmon at the local A&P -- no fear, excitement, pissed off, no nothing. Just stares. Much like the theater audience. Still, as a bonified comic geek, I loved it when the Hulk FINALLY does his Hulk-rage gig in the desert. Ten or fifteen minutes of total bliss. Not worth enduring the interminably long rest of the snail's-pace flick, though.
June 27, 2003, 2:02 p.m. CST
by Larry Jay
I am so SICK of all the whining about how HULK didn't do this or didn't do that. All of you HULK Haters are just mentally deficient MTV'ers, with the attention span of a small soap dish. You're all obviously products of the American Educational System. No concept of originality. You just want to be spoon-fed your typical Hollywood gruel and go home to your mom's basement smelling like popcorn, goobers and stale nachos. Look, here we have a OSCAR WINNING DIRECTOR who has been given the money, resources and lattitude to make this movie and all you can complain about is how slow it moved? Take a moment and realize that STORY is what makes a great movie. EMOTIONAL envolvement is what makes you give a shit. And HULK had all of that in spades. All YOU wanted to see was destruction and mayhem, and guess what? You even got that, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE GREATER STORY. Nolte was PERFECT, just the right amount of mania that you would expect from a MAD SCIENTIST. Bana acted with his whole body and spirit. Sam Elliott NAILED Thunderbolt Ross (the kirby version) and the CG Hulk breathed. (Think about it) The rumble in the Desert was CLASSIC HULK. You say,"IT moved too slow". NO, it told a story. "Hulk looked fake" (get a degree in advanced mathematics and computer programming and make a better one). WHine, this. BITCH, that. You make me FUCKIN SICK. And by the way, I LOVED THIS MOVIE. WHy, you may ask? Because it challenged my conceptions. Because ANG LEE bent his tremendous talent to this enterprise and created HIS OWN vision of the legend. And I admire that. Because it TOLD ME A STORY, because it showed us how PEOPLE relate to one another. Because FINALLY after 40 years I GET TO SEE THE HULK. If you like, you can go back to enjoying light weight drivel like "Daredevil (OOH, LOOK, Pretty MOVIE STARS!!!) or decend back into the depths of Dolph Lundgren's "Punisher". And just for once try to make fire with sticks instead of a lighter. Instant gratification isn't all its cracked up to be. ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!
June 27, 2003, 2:26 p.m. CST
Just because someone doesn't like Ang Lee's handling of the Hulk, doesn't mean that they "didn't get it." That's the lamest reasoning I've ever heard. It doesn't mean that they have the attention span of Fred Durst in a public library. Ang Lee's handling of the Hulk was very condascending. He thought that the material he had wasn't cool enough in and of itself, that he felt the need to go in and try to make this "arty" film that failed to be both arty or deep.
June 27, 2003, 2:28 p.m. CST
i liked this flick, really, mori summed up all the fuckeddd up shit really well. But I couldn't get past the fact that it jibed with Akira in more than one place (ie. elevator going down, the whole ending) i felt that Ang lee just watched Akira quite a few times and it made a big impression on him...
June 27, 2003, 2:29 p.m. CST
by Ray Garraty #47
But seriously...very well presented thoughts. I agree with a lot of what you said re: father/son having the same career, organic web shooters, et al...it calls to mind another question that is parallel to your argument but admittedly not directly related to it; does anyone else besides me think that it's odd that the majority of superheroes are either scientists or single?
June 27, 2003, 2:42 p.m. CST
I loved the film until Nolte became Mr. Absorbing man. What a waste.
June 27, 2003, 3:24 p.m. CST
... as the word "sorrid" does not exist in the English language. (see http://www.onelook.com/?w=sorrid&ls=a ) Word.
June 27, 2003, 3:31 p.m. CST
Mori, can you just stop it please? I'm so sick of all the name dropping, the "I know so many people in the industry", the "I'm writting a film, did you know that?". I'm so sick of hearing about the whole week before you actually saw the film. Why would I give a flying fuck when you saw it? What possible difference could it make to me who you saw there? How does that, IN ANY WAY, enhance this review? And I really have to wonder how you had seen the opening 10 minutes of 28 Days so many times. IT COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE THAT YOU DOWNLOADED IT COULD IT????? And thanks for filling us in that you can afford to buy 13 tickets for your friends. And then a second mention of the screenplay you've been writing for like EVER! The rub of it all is, that you're a DAMN fine writer! All your reviews, whether I agree with them or not, are all well written. So it's just a big stupid waste that you are suffering from Harry-itus.
June 27, 2003, 3:33 p.m. CST
at www.steamingpileofshit.com - C'mon by... the hit counter is already up to "three"!! Word.
June 27, 2003, 3:35 p.m. CST
...turns into the Hulk, ain't he un-glamour-ays?" (world's best theme song rhyme) =============== Hey, here's my 2 1/2 cents worth on the movie: Not so hot, but still eminently sit-throughable for the good parts ============= Was calling his father 'David' - & showing him experimenting on himself - a deliberate nod to the TV series? ================== Taking the captured Hulk into the underground base was not only a nod to Akira (the diagonal elevator platform) - but also to a 2-parter TV episode with the same plot ================ the army handing the Hulk over to a politically-connected private company isn't that far-off from what's going on these days - I've read a few articles about private companies that provide armies or military-style support to countries around the world (often under the aegis of the US gov't) ============= CGI Hulk looked great, very expressive - & they didn't forget the purple pants! ================== I think the pseudo comic book panels effect was an interesting idea - that shoulda been ditched way early on in the production. Other than a few places where it wasn't overly intrusive, it seemed very show-offy & rubbing our noses in the fact that we were watching A COMIC BOOK-BASED CHARACTER. These movies are supposed to take these characters OUT of the comics & make us believe they're really happening in a movie version of the 'real' world - not a movie version of a comic book world. (Hey Ang, why don't you just drop the other shoe & put some TV-Batman-style "POW!"s and "SPLAT!"s onscreen?) ========== On the other hand, I noticed a lot of places where Ang cut from a close-up of someone to a slightly different-angled CU of the same character. It set up a jumpy, nervous mood that really worked well for me. =============== Wish they had ditched Nolte's character altogether: the loony acting & the 'if you don't like motivation wait 5 minutes & I'll have a different one' plotting was a major drag on the film. (I would've been very happy if they ended the film on that SanFran hill w/Hulk reverting to Banner because of Betty's presence.) ================ WHY oh WHY did they let Nolte into that hangar, & then let him rage & rail at his son & goad him into hulking out again? That made NO SENSE! They shoulda dragged him out of hangar the second he started going looney. ========= INTERESTING QUESTION NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE PICKED UP ON YET: DID NOLTE (easier than saying 'Banner's dad') SABOTAGE THE GAMMA ZAPPERS IN BANNER'S LAB??? The film didn't show or hint this (at least not that I noticed), but as 'Janitor Who Is Followed by Dogs' he did have free run of the lab & would've been able to sneak in & short out a few wires at night. Plus it would've fit right in with what they already showed of him experimenting on his son. (Maybe Nolte knew/suspected what a dose of big G would have on BB.) ================ Meanwhile, when are they gonna get around to my favorite Marvel hero, the Master of the Mystic Arts, good ol' Stephen (Doctor) Strange himself?
June 27, 2003, 3:43 p.m. CST
If Ang Lee wanted to make a movie about the Duality of Man, he should have talked to John Woo to get some good ideas. Despite some fancy editing and a few snazzy action scenese, the real core of the movie...the tragedy of what happens to this man...is largely served cold. I felt nothing for either Banner, and I think the direction to play young Banner as relatively well adjusted (no scenes to the contrary are shown) before the Gamma accident is a huge mistake. We needed to see that he was lonely and repressed, in desperate need of exploding in anger to make the emotional payoff of the transformation important. The "get to know him" scenes with the biker helmet were comedic and pointless, and the reason why he and Ms Ross broke up is given the standard "he wouldn't open up" treatment. It would have been much better if they had never dated...his emotional detachment and longing would have made his need to become the Hulk much greater. Bash me for not being "smart" enough to see the brilliance in Lee's film, but I only wanted to feel something...and I felt absolutely nothing
June 27, 2003, 3:55 p.m. CST
by user id indeed!
...Ahhh, yes, the fountain of credibility that he is. Just about anyone could agree that "The Usual Suspects" is one of the greatest, most influential films of the last decade, right? Go see how many stars Ebert gave "The Usual Suspects". I DARE you. I triple-dog-hundred-dollar-dare you.
June 27, 2003, 3:56 p.m. CST
by Lou Stools
There's another fat, geeky bastard in town, cept this one tells it like it is, even if he is just ripping on Harry: "The comic Hulk is a ferocious, dynamic, rampaging force...in contrast, The Hulk the movie is an often slow, plodding, overlong, heavy-handed psychological drama with a few moments of inspired chaos interspersed with long stretches of redundant exposition..." "At the very least, The Hulk required more editing to tighten up the narrative flow and bring it down to two hours...at most it needed to jettison the whole David Banner sub plot in the writing process and make Bruce Banner more of a proactive, fully-realized character rather than a reactive, whiny victim of his father. At this rate, we should expect to see She-Hulk in 2005, staring Julia Roberts who Hulks out on her abusive husband." http://www.nopointnecessary.com/creosote.html
June 27, 2003, 3:59 p.m. CST
by Lost Skeleton
Hulk was pretty good. So was Reloaded and X2. I can't believe the level of hate from my fellow talkbackers. I am just happy that the movie world is now making "cool" shit for us to watch. After thinking about the Hulk and why he does not de-hulk when flying. I think what Mr. Lee was trying to convey is that Bruce Banner was suppressing his emotions his whole life- more evident with the denial over what happened with his parents. Anger, as an emotion, is very powerful. More powerful than love. I think Bruce's anger was the catalyst that allowed Bruce's id (the Hulk) to gain some sought of freedom (Bruce even conveys this sense of freedom to Betty in the mountain home). Hulk does not "de-hulk" when he is not angry. The anger is just the peak of emotion that allows the id (Hulk) to escape. It is not various emotions that control the hulk (ie- the lack of anger) it is Bruce's willingness to control his freedom, to control his emotions that wheel the Hulk in (de-hulk him). In the movie, we see Bruce de-hulk twice. (1) after the hulk dog fight when the Hulk is so physically and emotionally spent that he lacks the energy to maintain himself and so Bruce (the ego) is allowed to take control and de-hulk him and (2) when Hulk sees Betty- it is the emotion of love that is able to allow Banner to control (not become calmer or un-angry) his emotion and to take control away from the id (Hulk) and de-hulk himself. Think about it- one of the few emotions humans have that are often times passionate and uncontrollable is anger. This uncontrollable emotion is the trigger for the Hulk, but not what sustains him. Bruce is only able to control the Hulk if he controls all of his emotions- which he has done for years up until his father returns.
June 27, 2003, 4:04 p.m. CST
by Lance Turk
Just because artsy-fartsy danny boyle made the movie, suddenly it's an "important" zombie flick. You could have had the SAME EXACT movie made by some B-list hollywood director that nobody has heard of, and every critic would have been calling this movie a 1-star piece of shit. I've seen this same zombie movie done 1000 times before, and I've seen it done 1000 times better I might add.
June 27, 2003, 4:04 p.m. CST
by TV CASUALTY
When, in Bruce's dream, the Hulk smashes through the mirror and growls "puny human". That... fucking... rocked. Seriously though Toad Boy, I live in the U.S., and I loved Hulk. Is there NO ONE in your country that hated it? Don't be such a moron.
June 27, 2003, 4:15 p.m. CST
Seriously Mori, your reviews are [CRITICISM REMOVED... SERIOUSLY YOU'LL THANK ME LATER - "M"]. And your opinions [CRITICISM REMOVED AGAIN]. And your hypocritical [ENDING CRITICISM REMOVED].
June 27, 2003, 4:17 p.m. CST
I too walked away from watching the Hulk feeling blah about the movie. All the scenes with the Hulk raising hell and destroying stuff were excellent but there was just too much boring dialogue between the characters to keep the rest of the film interesting. I didn't understand the Generals hate and contempt for David Banner and I feel that they didn't build up Bruce Banners character enough for the audience to care for the guy when he's going through all the physical and emotional pain.
June 27, 2003, 4:27 p.m. CST
I got to see this flick a couple of months back, and the images are still stuck with me. At last a proper spin and something new in the zombie genre. Kudos to my main man for directing a fine piece of film. The Beach & Trainspotting where good, but the errie pacing of this films rattles the chilliest of bones. Hopefully this great film isn't lost in the shuffle of the larger summer blockbusters or dismissed as the same piece of steaming crap that 1000 corpses was. BTW, Hulk sucks, still sucks, will always suck untill they get a someone behind the lens that does something other than talky girl movies. mace out
June 27, 2003, 4:38 p.m. CST
The world probably ended on casual friday, in the Road Warrior universe. Lord knows, if it ended today, I would spend my post-apocalyptic days running around in butt-less chaps and a cowboy hat...but then, I work in an insurance company.
June 27, 2003, 4:55 p.m. CST
by Sid Kibbitz
All zombie movies fall back on splat and gore, and just forget all about the story, which is equaly (or should be) freaky. Just the idea of being trapped and out numberd is always scary. The only story I
June 27, 2003, 5:12 p.m. CST
Dont watch it in theaters, and dont do illegal crap like downloading it.
June 27, 2003, 5:24 p.m. CST
You WERE invited to an advance screening, you lying prick. Or, rather, that fat fuck was invited to a private screening for him and he invited something like 20 of his fat loser friends. I doubt he left you out considering you all love to suck each other so much. Waaaaaaa, poor Moriarity. Waaaaaaaaaaa. You stupid fuck
Isn't 28 Days Later a remake of The Omega Man (1971) starring Charlton Heston? And, tickets at the Arclite Theatre cost $14 a piece! That means 12 tickets would cost $168! Man! thats an expensive night! =)
June 27, 2003, 5:26 p.m. CST
I don't think the last part with the soldiers was a letdown at all. They make this tough journey to reach the soldiers in hopes of finding a cure, only to find out the soldiers are much worse than the infected. The infected will make you lose consciousness within 30 seconds. What the soldiers could do to the women would affect them for their whole lives. Jim trusts these guys only to find out they're going to gangrape the two girls he's been travelling with. That's enough to make any guy go deathwish on their asses. The soldiers have free will, unlink the infected, and that's what makes them so creepy. They know what they are doing is wrong but they really don't care. Movie fucking rocked. I'm gonna go see it again this weekend. By the way: Anyone else get shirts at the press screening? I only got bandaids, stickers, and buttons.
June 27, 2003, 5:39 p.m. CST
Aragorn looks so fucking bad ass in this poster, its over at TORn and LOTR.net go check it out
June 27, 2003, 5:48 p.m. CST
I liked The Hulk. Which was tough to get into at first. If there is one main criticism I have of all of the Marvel movies of late, it's that their opening credits sequences absolutely suck. They are atrocious and usually boring. Even black screens with just title cards on them would be more exciting or effective than the credit sequences we've seen from these movies. I really noticed this during The Hulk. As much as I love to be presented with information that helps move the story along, the opening sequence was too busy and muddled and really had me uneasy for a good portion of the first part of the movie. What really sold me on The Hulk was the Hulk himself. People talk about the differing shades of emotion that Banner goes through in his Hulk form and how they don't understand why he didn't revert back to human form when he wasn't angry. The Hulk wasn't always about angry. It was about feelings - any and all feelings - that couldn't be expressed in a proper way. If you go back to the first issues, it wasn't even anger that really triggered his change. He was like a werewolf, changing into the Hulk at night when the sun went down. They then modified it to be in times of emotional distress. Yes, anger is the most violent and demonstrative of these emotions, but any number of things could cause the transformation. The '70s tv show perpetuated the belief that the Hulk was simply born of angry moments and even the movie sets up some of that with the whole "You won't like me when I'm angry" bit. Even in the comics, though, the Hulk would go through long periods of being the Hulk and experience a wide range of emotions. At times, they even had it so that the Hulk kept the intelligence of Banner and could communicate normally. What the movie captured is that there are always layers to something, and Banner staying the Hulk even when he wasn't angry was evidence of that. Well done in that regard. What really did it for me, though, were the moments when the Hulk was jumping and they went to shots over land. You got the feeling that you were up there flying with him. And that defined the comic book experience and the movie for me. I also loved how, for the most part, during the last few major sequences, Danny Elfman didn't really employ much of a score. They kind of let the action speak for itself on screen. It gave the scenes an odd weight to be in silence like that. Overall, I liked The Hulk. Mush more than I thought I would and much more than the first part of the movie showed me I would.
June 27, 2003, 6:22 p.m. CST
..How 28 Days Later has been recieved in the US. It was panned by critics here in the UK and i think i would have to agree with them, the film is awful.
June 27, 2003, 7:32 p.m. CST
This movie is being made out to be a Zombie Horror flick. How many times have you heard: "Danny Boyle Re-Invents Zombie Horror..and it scary as hell." Having seen the movie I know exactly what it is about....not zombies. I dont need some upset nerd fresh off a fat dick to tell me about the movie.
June 27, 2003, 7:37 p.m. CST
June 27, 2003, 9:36 p.m. CST
I know the army and religion are growing increasingly more reviled among 'film scholar' circles, but give me a fucking break. We NEED more films like '28 Days Later?!' Yeah, we NEED more self-important "experimental" directors that contribute to the disparity of moviegoing audiences in the first place. We need another '28 Days Later' like we need a bad rash. Sure, there are a lot of things to admire about the film, but c'mon. I know religion and the army are two things 'film scholars' love to hate, but enough already. I actually giggled like a schoolgirl when I saw the 'Hulk's' new ad campaign, but I see it more as damage control than ballsy marketing. That 62 mil opening weekend obviously bothers Universal much more than they'll admit to.
June 27, 2003, 10:06 p.m. CST
Not to sound arrogant or anything, but my favorite films are dramas like The 400 Blows or Raging Bull or Wild Strawberries. Those are films that know what's what when it comes to character development and human emotion. I also enjoy more populist entertainment like The Wrath of Khan or Lord of the Rings or Raiders of the Lost Ark. The Hulk is not a good comic book action movie. It's not a good drama. It's not a good anything. It has about 15 minutes of Hulk smashing that sure is cool, but feels like it was pretty much thrown in there to appease the fanboys. The rest of the film is a MESS. The dialogue was awful... "My Bruce." The scenes unimaginative, cliched, and stiff. Father and daughter meet for the first time in years in a restaurant to talk, daughter upset with father because he wants to talk business, more uninventive melodrama ensues. And the editing was ATROCIOUS. I'm sorry, but I don't need two simultaneous angles of a switch being flipped or an Austin Powers freeze frame of the villain getting his comeuppance. The ridiculous wipes and distracting transitions served no purpose other than as decoys from the utter boredom and lifelessness that sits like a cold lump in the throat of Eric Bana's cardboard Bruce Banner and Connelly's phoned in Betty. Hell, the film randomly breaks the 180 rule as if to say that it just doesn't give a fuck about putting together competent cinema montage. I piss contempt on this green piece of trash.
June 27, 2003, 10:07 p.m. CST
Good review, Moriarty. As an old-school Marvel fan, the Hulk was as close an adaption to an actual comic book as I have ever seen. Yeah, the story takes it's time to unfold, but all in all, it haunts me. Yes, I would go so far as to say it was every bit as beautiful as I would expect an Ang Lee film to be. It's tragic, which is the essential nature of the character. Sure, it's deliriously over the top sometimes; but anyone who knows a damn thing about this genre knows these are tales of the human condition writ LARGE. Nothing too "pretentious" about that. And that poodle? Shit! Scariest puffball ever seen. Nolte was a twisty, turny spiral of insanity. If you didn't like the (cg) Hulk, fine. Go back to your profound debates about who would win in a no-holds-barred tag-team steel cage match: JarJar & Yoda, or Gollum & Dobby the house elf? You urbane studmuffins. SHO NUFF!
June 27, 2003, 10:10 p.m. CST
However, it woulda been more respectful of you to not lump HULK with that wannabe zombie flick 28 DAYS and the other one. A commentary on Elfman's excellent HULK score woulda been nice, too. Oh well. You can't have everything, right HULK-Haters? And to all HULK-Supporters and HULK-Haters alike, I implore you, see HULK again this weekend! Then see it again and again! Otherwise, we may never get a 2nd shot(sequel) at the glorious Marvel-ous HULK! Word.
June 27, 2003, 11:22 p.m. CST
It's interesting, all talkbackers did was talk about how "Fake" the CGI Hulk looked before the movie was released. Now that the Hulk is complete and released to Theaters they change the subject and only talk about "Boring dialogue". Anybody who sees the finished CGI Hulk can't deny, even though they may try, that ILM suceeded in creating the first Photorealistic human(green but human nonetheless).
June 27, 2003, 11:30 p.m. CST
by Dog Of Mystery
I might have some minor issues with HULK, but you hit the nail on the head every single time with these three reviews. THANKS!
June 27, 2003, 11:34 p.m. CST
1) WHY DOESN"T HULK DE-HULK WHEN IT APPEARS HE'S NO LONGER ANGRY? I think the Hulk isn't just a response to emotional stress or repressed memories, but also a defensive mechanism. It seems when Hulk realizes there is no more danger, then he reverts back to Banner. 2) WHY ISN'T BRUCE BANNER MORE OF A REPRESSED AND ANGRY YOUNG MAN FROM THE START? THEN HE'D HAVE A REASON TO BECOME HULK! Remember, Bruce Banner has no idea his life is completely f---ed up. He repressed his childhood trauma and doesn't realize he's a monster-in-waiting. Until now, he thinks he's as normal as the next guy, and therefore, acts that way. But this normalcy is a facade, an illusion. And Bruce, of course, cannot see through this illusion. And I think Ang Lee plays it that way. The only hint we get that something may be amiss is that he's slightly emotionally distant, which messes up his intimate relationships, but that's it. It's when things start coming to the surface, beginning with the re-appearance of David Banner, that Bruce realizes his so-called "normal" life is not normal at all. 3) WHY IS THE HULK MOVIE SO LONG? IT NEEDS TO BE TIGHTENED UP! TOO MANY DIALOGUE SCENES! First, this film is not just about Bruce Banner and the Hulk. It's about Betty, and General Ross, and David Banner, and the Mother we don't get to know. (With the exception of the parents, that's how Stan Lee wrote the comic book) Extra time is allotted to these characters because they are a big part of the whole "Hulk" story. As for all the "talking", heck, isn't that what "intellectuals" and "know-it-alls" do? Talk and theorize about all their problems? Every character in this film, with the exception of General Ross and Hulk, are "intellectuals". For them, the world is conceptual. Heck, most people are this way. Of course, all Bruce and Betty's talking can only hint at the truth, and can't prepare them for the awesome reality they are about to face. And David Banner, isn't he the biggest intellectual in this film. So much so that he's gone loony! He talks of power and longevity, but in the end, he cannot handle the "reality" of it. In addition, much of the writing is important to the overall structure of the film, as many issues brought up come into play later in the film. 4) WHAT IS UP WITH THAT SENSELESS STUPID ENDING?!? THE FILMMAKERS SHOULD HAVE ENDED IT IN SAN FRANCISCO AWREADY!!! The ending is not so stupid and senseless. In fact, it's necessary and relevant to the entire film up to this point. FIRST of all, HULK was, among other things, a summer action film, and therefore needed a fireworks-type ending. That ending was it. It woudn't have done to let it end peacefully in downtown San Francisco. SECOND, we needed to have the major character of David Banner resolved. He is the loose cannon of the film, the catalyst. And as Chekhov said, "If you show a gun in the play, you must fire it!" From the opening credits, David Banner seeks knowledge and power over the self. "To go beyond the boundaries of our human limitations" or something, he says to Betty. In fact, Banner could be symbolic of all human scientic endeavour. He is indeed, us. And this quest must be resoved. It is the gun waiting to be fired. The cosmic cataclysmic ending of HULK is the result of that quest, the gun fired. In the end, David Banner/we have all the power and knowledge in the universe, and cannot handle it. It is a final finite culmination that began when Adam ate the apple, and thus had knowledge of good and evil. It is a final horrifying result of mankind's unending quest to be better than what God made them. THIRD, the ending is a testament to how much power we are dealing with in the Hulk. He is a creature born of atomic and genetic forces gone horribly wrong. Atomics and genetics, two of the most powerful forces in the known universe, all contained within one 15 ft. green-skinned behemoth. And David Banner realizes that when he attempts to absorb Hulk's power. Even he cannot handle it. AND FOURTH, the ending is a final reconciliation between father and son. This was meant to happen, and the entire film was setting up for this conclusion. In the end, David and Bruce become intimate in a way unlike any has seen. David knows what it is to be the living monstrosity his son has become. And in the end, just after David gives back the "power" to Bruce, he saves his only son by absorbing the force of a nuclear bomb. This is represented by the final montage of David Banner kissing the forehead of little Bruce, a loving father, at the very end. One of the most awewome, touching, artistic endings I've ever seen in a "summer action blockbuster." Whew! Okay, that's it! Sorry to get so philosophical on everyone who had the patience to read, but I really really LOVE this film! For me, as far as comic book adaptations go, it is up there with both of Tim Burton's/Sam Hamm's BATMAN films, and Terry Zwygoff's/Daniel Clowe's GHOST WORLD. Please add Ang Lee's/James Schamus's HULK to the glorious triumvirate. Films that sought to go beyond the boundaries of mere summer popcorn flick, and actually become an artistic achievement. Go Ang Lee! 'Nuff said.
June 28, 2003, 12:01 a.m. CST
by TheGinger Twit
The hulk was Fucked!! Fuck Ang Lee! Eric Banna is not an actor - he is a stand up comic. He's Pwoida! (Australians may only get that) I have never felt the urge to walk out of a film this bad since The avengers or Mission impossible 2.... or Lara Croft. I don't normally winge like this on Talk back, but my God. What the fuck????
June 28, 2003, 12:15 a.m. CST
Hulk wasn't bad just the annoying comic book frames with Ang showing different perspectives of the characters looking at each other. He could have left that out.
June 28, 2003, 1:38 a.m. CST
... where animators can expand on their knowledge of the Hulk. He will talk. He will smash. And he will look better than ever. And now that his origin has been told in great detail ... perhaps "HULK 2" will be more of a "crowd pleaser". I personally loved the film. -- In hindsight, yes, ... I would rather it have ended at Hulk's capture ... thus, focusing even more on key HULK scenes ... with the the "HULK-DOGS" and the U.S. Military. But overall, this was very smart filmmaking ... and much closer to being a "fantasy masterpiece" than many realize.
June 28, 2003, 1:50 a.m. CST
by jules windex
Totally un-called for.
June 28, 2003, 2:11 a.m. CST
You are the dumb bitch for resorting to a "Mom" joke. When the gay porn dries up and you walk out of your parents basement look a real man in the face when you walk down the street, anyone it doesnt matter, start mouthing off to him let him snap your faggot ass back to reality. See I cant I dont know you. But I know they type, behind a computer screen you are a legend in your own mind. In real life your the dude I might take a shit on if I'd thought youd lick my ass clean.
June 28, 2003, 2:28 a.m. CST
Wow!!! Now wouldn't THAT be something??? (Move over "BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN") -- But the challenge with such a concept is the size factor of the HULK, based on the new movie. I mean, ... you'd seriously have to consider the size of the THING (of the Fantastic Four) for it to make some kind of "visual sense" (so-to-speak). -- But who hasn't enjoyed seeing the HULK and THING together in the same comic book (of you fans out there)? And how about that comic book from way back when (late 70's I think) that Bob Layton illustrated of IRON-MAN taking on the HULK ... where Iron-man's suit was getting low on power ... thus, resorting to taking Hulk into the water ... and finally put all remaining power into one punch to lay-out the Hulk cold! Anyone remember that (unless memory serves me wrong)???
June 28, 2003, 3:32 a.m. CST
Outside of the disappointment of not once hearing "Hulk Smash!" this movie was a mixed bag. And not in the way I expected. In the TV adds, the Hulk, well, looked aweful, but that was due to the fact that they only showed the Hulk in what has to be the only "poor" Hulk CGI scene, Hulk smashing the tanks. The rest of the CGI was very good, surprisingly good, to the point that the big green guy was one of the top 2 actors in the movie. Ok, first, the bad- the entire opening sequence gave me a headache, and that headache continued for another 30 min or so. The Psycho-babble in this movie was just horrible. It was like having the Crane brothers write a superhero movie. The last 10 min of the movie were also quite poor, with the confusing, and poorly shot fight scene between Hulk and the Absorbing Man. Ok what was good or great? The Dog/Hulk fight, just fantastic. The Rampage from the base to SF, great (accept for the tank scene, just did not click to me) I also loved the "foam" scene. Good actors, only 2, Sam Elliot, wonderful performance, and The Hulk itself, who was much more natural then Banner. Poor Performances, Nick Nolte! This movie could have been quite good, if, if, Lee was not allowed to do his vomit inducing "multi-box" filming, god, did that ever suck. Note to Mr. Lee, dont ever do that again, unless you want to give out heavy drugs before each viewing.
June 28, 2003, 3:47 a.m. CST
Listen up, Hollywood! This is the kind of genre filmmaking we want to see. It's gritty, emotional and terrifying, just the way we like it. No more of this watered down PG-13 bullshit, we want our horror to be as brutal and as powerful as this movie. In the last week I've seen two of the best horror films of the year, 28 DAYS LATER and MAY, both of these movies lived up to the hype and were far better than most of the genre films released in the last five years. This is what we want to see. "The End Is Extremely Fucking Nigh."
June 28, 2003, 4:47 a.m. CST
I don't really believe that it went over most people's heads, I simply think that most of you were expecting a different kind of movie than the one you got. Even if you did go in with an open mind, the film defies a lot of conventions. Admittedly, it does have flaws. However, if anybody dares to call 'Hulk' pretentious and then proceed to tell us how we all NEED to pick up our ears and pay attention to fucking 28 Days Later, I'm gonna stop listening. You wanna talk about a pretentious film, and one that doesn't even try to seem original at that (besides for the DV)? Soliders rape women. Society gets infected with "the rage" and becomes a group of cannibalistic zombies. But that Danny Boyle is a maverick! His movies rock hardcore! Maybe Ang Lee's movies don't carry the same cynicism as some punk's who grew up on Scorsese and Romero, but they're no less pretentious and self-important than this piece of shit. His films are just too cool to seem that earnest. If I had my choice between pretentious filmmakers to pay attention to, I'd pay attention to Ang Lee. We have enough cynics making movies these days, and Lee's movies are more aesthetically beautiful anyway. 'Spellbound' was pretty enthralling, by the way, but anybody who's interested in seeing documentaries probably already knew that. While I'm on a (sort of) comic book movie talkback, I'd like to take the time to apologize to any Punisher fanboys I may have miffed when I said blond hair wasn't something to get worked up over, and I'd like to beg Columbia to KEEP MARK STEVEN JOHNSON THE FUCK AWAY FROM GHOST RIDER! NO, MOTHERFUCKERS, NOOO!!!!
June 28, 2003, 8:09 a.m. CST
by TheGinger Twit
First of all, The Editing was fucking bullshit! I've got the same effects on my home editing software - the other (lesser) students like to load up their films with them - they are not the sign of a wiz bang editor who knows what he's doing! They are pointless and they are fucking stupid and distracting! The acting was absolutely fucking useless. I've seen soap opera's with more class than these dropkicks. And what's all this praise for Ang Lee? I've heard how great Ang Lee is, how this will be the greatest superhero film of them all. fuck off. This movie was shit. People in my cinema were looking amongst each other. We were all the butt of a practicle joke! some here may claim I went in expecting another film - yeah fucking a - then some may say I don't know good art. Bullshit, I was expecting the screen frame to flip upside down (in this biazare name of art) I've never seen a film draw so much attention to it's film makers before. Of the only good things I can say?.... well thank god for ILM. At least they know how to make some good cinema. It's just to bad when their services weren't called for we had to go back to that God aweful fucking story with the worst film making I've seen since I was in grade 10 film and TV. And when Hulk goes to his little chick-i-babe... there's a fucking monster in the bushes, and what does she do?? Does she shit her pants? Does she drop the torch and run? No! she fucking looks up lovingly and asks a question - 'Bruce?' For fuck's sake!! Are you people retarded? i've seen you bash Star Wars to the ground. I've seen people here call for un-holy war on hollywood for spiderman... yet still - The Hulk gets nothing but praise? This film was fucked! I am absolutely wide eyed and ready to slash my rists at what i have just lived through. I feel like burning down the cinema, all for the satisfaction that my no so well spent money wont go into the pockets of those who sold me this night out. Harry and Moriarty - I know you agree with me! I hope this film flops. I hope it make absolutly no money. I do not want to see a sequel that gets the same treatment as this piece of shit. I do not want to see any other superhero films made that end up looking like a film maker can do what ever the fuck he wants with it. This Movie was fucked! It was Fucked!!
June 28, 2003, 8:53 a.m. CST
Nice try, Clutch. However... 1) Betty must've known in her gut it was Bruce all along. Plus, she's a scientist, not a scared wittle wabbit. 2) Although gamma radiation is the most dangerous form of radiation, it only travels several meters through air, and only several centimeters through human tissue. Bruce would have served as a suitable shield for such a concentrated area of dosage. Plus, it's possible Bruce's "Hulk" cells would have absorbed all the radiation, which is why it didn't kill him. But of course, Bruce wouldn't have known that. 3) Obviously, in this case, and in many cases (Enron), the gov't and the private sector are heavily entangled. And we do see local authorities, when the cop car gets smashed at the beginning by that Hulk-thrown gizmo. Plus, General Ross knew something was up, so he ordered a federal lockdown on the research building. 4) Obviously security had sucked up to this point. Hell, illegal aliens were able to hijack 19 planes on 9/11. Plus, David has the keys to every door, including the back doors. 5) David was allowed to see Bruce because David sweet-talked Betty, who is Ross's daughter and a major player in this little fiasco. Plus, they had no idea that David was going to do what he did. Plus, if Bruce were to "Hulk out", the sensors woulda gone off, and they both woulda got fried by that big thing pointed at Bruce. 6) Remember, these aren't just ordinary hounds, they're Hulk-hounds! With hulk-powered noses to match. In the wild, many animals can smell dinner miles away. 7) This is a comic book movie! They didn't have to be Hellfire missiles! 8) I was a U.S. Navy nuclear power operator on a sub for six years. We used duct tape to emergency repair EVERYTHING! 9) David stole the scarf so the dogs could get a scent (This was obvious! Pay attention, Clutch!) 10) Hulk didn't drown because he's the Hulk, and can hold his breath. He got affected by space because of double thin air/freezing temp. of that altitude. Ross only calls the President for permission and to give information. 11) Hulk pauses in the desert because he's not a mere mindless beast. He's not out to smash, he just wants to be left alone. Hulk is purely defensive. Plus, it must take a lot of effort for his legs to propel 3,000 lbs miles into the air. Take a break, Hulk! 12) Bruce did not have a phobia to opening the door. The door was merely a symbol of his repressed memories. Plus, when he opens the door, there's nothing there. 13) The pilot screamed because it's much more dramatic that way, he must be scared shitless, and dude, they were in space... 14) David's powers were increased by the gamma blast. Remember how he takes out the securty guard? Biting through the cable shouldn't have been a problem. 15) Okay, I'm not exactly sure how cities work this, but whenever there's an abnormally large power spike, power gets shut off to that entire sector of the city. That's why the light were all going out. Plus, it's very possible (remember, this is a comic book movie) that David's super absorbing power was able to cause the electricity to arc past any circuit breakers and continue the energy flow. Plus, did they say "the entire state"? Either way, it doesn't matter. 16) General Ross thought Hulk was dead because the Hulk-blip was not moving. He was trapped under tons of rubble for some minutes. Rather presumptuous of Ross, yes, I agree. And that's it. By the way, Clutch, none of your "logic" accusations should take away from the fact that this was a great film. They simply weren't that big a deal. I think you need to stop being such a nitpicker, and go see Hulk again. You'll see that I'm right, you're...well...wrong, and that you'll enjoy Hulk much more on the second go around. Btw, Ang Lee rules, and HULK IS THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!!!
June 28, 2003, 9:28 a.m. CST
Okay, maybe Hollywood does fuck with us, but as Moriarty said, every now and then, Hollywood lets something great go through the gate. HULK is such a film. As for the editing, okay, so you've got editing software at home. Good for you. Editing technology is not rocket science! It's what you do with it that counts. And what the filmmakers did with HULK is to use such crazy unorthodox techniques to help create tension where Ang Lee felt it needed it. So please, you Hulk-haters, get over the mulit-split-screen stuff, already. As for your other complaints i.e. "the Screaming Running Fainting Betty", please see my other posts on this talkback for an explanation. I'm sure you'll find them enlightening. As for that wrist slashing business of yours, please, do us all a favor, would you? And if you want to burn down an entire theater, feel free, you closet arsonist. Maybe a long vacation in an 8' x 9' prison cell is what you need to calm the hell down...
June 28, 2003, 9:57 a.m. CST
by Serious Black
However, it is definitely not in everyone
June 28, 2003, 10:45 a.m. CST
by Serious Black
June 28, 2003, 11:04 a.m. CST
Hey kids! Just saw the Hulk workprint last night (Film isn
June 28, 2003, 11:54 a.m. CST
Cillian Murphy was excellent (and he had some pretty raunchy things he had to do in this part) and this is probably my favorite Danny Boyle film. It was nice to have this kind of film for a change. The Hulk...as a person who never read the comic books or anything, I realize that I'm very ignorant about this movie. Still, as a person just going in to enjoy a movie, I found that I didn't enjoy it at all. I 'appreciated' it, because I thought that the transitions and such were brilliant, but the movie as a whole just didn't do it for me. I
June 28, 2003, 12:09 p.m. CST
by Jerry Dammers
The "failure" of this film depresses the hell outta me. File under: Deeply Misunderstood. I love when people big up the late 70s TV series: "Why couldn't this movie have been like that?" Has anyone re watched that show as an adult? It's completely unwatchable. I love the Talk Backer who hated the film but then proved he wasn't paying attention by asking something to the effect of "how did the Hulk Dogs know where to find Betty?" and "what happened to Betty's scarf?"
June 28, 2003, 12:38 p.m. CST
If it isn't Harry spankin the monkey over angel butt there's always Moriarty's gay sex slave take it up the ass bitch fantasies. This website is a frickin freakshow --------------- I
June 28, 2003, 12:47 p.m. CST
sorry but the lack of dead raped deer made this movie a thumbs down from me
June 28, 2003, 1:31 p.m. CST
But only one out of the 7 theaters in my area had it...and every show was sold out. Perhaps I'll try again today. I would have taken the TARDIS back in time so I could have secured a ticket earlier, but it really isn't that important. Jellybaby?
June 28, 2003, 1:33 p.m. CST
Will I AM LEGEND ever get made now?
June 28, 2003, 1:42 p.m. CST
Ok, Honestly, some of you people have no business ever going into a theatre again. You are some of the most moronic and narrow-minded moviegoers I have ever had the unpleasure of listening to. I am but only 18 years old and can be open to every kind of filmmaking. 28 Days Later is one of the most gritty, realistic, relevent "horror" movies that has come out in a long time. You guys honestly think that this movie was made only for the purpose of entertaining immature viewers such as yourselves. "Hulk sucks balls...28 Days Later is a load of monkey shit"...thats the best critique you can come up with??? SHAME ON YOU!
June 28, 2003, 3:41 p.m. CST
Almost all the movies this summer except for X2 have been a let down... I enjoyed the Hulk and for everyone bitching about how boring it was, your just one of those idiots who enjoy Charlie's Angels movies which by the way SUCK.... Whatever Hulk kicked ass but about 28 Days Later... I loved the first half but wtf happened to the rest of the movie? It became so stupid and the ending was horrible, I hate that sell out type of ending where everything is okay, I would have loved this movie to end with with someone exploding or massive zombie action to leave the audience with that feeling of "holly shit"... Another thing I hated was how this movie was filmed in all DV camera's it looked like something I would film, and I suck at filming things... That Blair Witch style camera movement also pissed me off, whenever you see a zombie or crazed person whatever you want to call them.. The camera would just start shaking... So all you people praising this movie I think are just brain washing yourselves because you wanted this movie to kick ass.. The sad thing is everyone is talking about how good this movie because its made by Boyle who is over rated anyway, if it was made by Bret Ratner or some Hollywood jack ass everyone would diss this movie to high heaven like what people are doing to Hulk
June 28, 2003, 4:16 p.m. CST
No one talks about the shitty Buzz Lightyear/Shrek looking Hulk because seeing that beat the hell out of watching the same flashback again and again and again with no point but to show it again and again and again._____ And anyone who dismissed this shit as ART needs a kick in their unbrushed teeth. I could place a tiny red dot on a 25 foot canvas, call it "Dispair," and convince you dumbasses it was art. Shut your pieholes.
June 28, 2003, 5:12 p.m. CST
June 28, 2003, 6:45 p.m. CST
I just got back from seeing HULK a 3rd time, so I've got green on my brain. But anyway... 1) Bruce throws the mask on Harper as a precaution, but TELLS HIM TO GET OUT. Harper panics and freezes right in front of the gamma ray inducer. Bruce tries to be a hero, not the logical thing maybe but he is human, and quickly re-program the machine. Suddenly, he realizes Harper is still there, and jumps in front of the gamma rays as they go off. That's why. 2) I don't think it's implicitly stated that David set off the bomb, but whatever. Either way, as I said before, the Berkeley Research Center must have really shitty security. 3) Talbot's use of the phrase "hostile takeover" was a figure of speech. Talbot is a civilian, with control over many military contracts. He's simply taking control of this government funded project. This has nothing to do with stockholders. 4) I think many times, Hulk came to the helicoptors. Plus, it just looks cooler that way. 5) The desert sequence took place in the middle of nowhere, probably hundreds or thousands of miles from the nearest military base. The U.S. military can't be everywhere at once, and I'm sure not every copter in the military has one of those "Hulk-finders." It was up to the few that were with Ross from the outset. Plus, the desert sequence I'm sure took place over a short period of time, so there was no time to amass the entire military. 6) Sure they can. Look at what the Federal Gov't is doing with the Taliban POW's at Guantanamo Bay, or what they did right after 9/11 to anyone suspected of being a terrorist. Plus, Bruce is a righteous dude, and I'm sure didn't have a problem turning himself in. Isn't that what the Hulk did in San Francisco, give up? 7) HULK is one of the smartest written artistically realized thrilling comic book movies ever. I don't drink anymore, but I could do with a joint right now. Join me?
June 28, 2003, 7:01 p.m. CST
I've just seen HULK a thrilling 3rd time, and I noticed something about the big water ball David Banner becomes at the end. Some talkbackers said it was inspired by Akira. Maybe. But a closer look shows that David Banner is actually forming the shape of a jellyfish, or a mushroom cloud, whichever way you look at it. Both images are relevant. In one fell swoop, Ang Lee is giving us both images to show the genetic and atomic forces at work here, while using re-current images as an aesthetic design. Remember, images of jellyfish and mushroom clouds are used prominently throughout the film. I tell you, HULK just gets deeper and deeper with every viewing. Ang Lee is one of my new favorite directors.
June 28, 2003, 7:19 p.m. CST
Ang Lee's Hulk is weaker than the comic version and it is crazy how he doesn't kill anybody. If you throw a tank two miles, the people inside are going to die or at least be paralyzed. They wouldn't just get out of the tank and stand there...same for helicopters crashing into the ground. This movie was a bore more than anything else. The Hulk looked good, but they didn't give him that much interesting to do. He fought 3 helicopters and 2 planes...is that the most the full weight of the US Army could throw at him???? <snore>
June 28, 2003, 7:22 p.m. CST
....for trying something different, but he ultimately failed. I'm glad he didn't turn out an uninspired film like Batman and Robin, but he also failed to make a compelling film like X2. The crappy script was the main problem, but there was no follow through as well.
June 28, 2003, 7:28 p.m. CST
First, if your going to have a question for the topic of a post, you need to put the phrase in the form of a question, i.e. "Why the Hulk is a bad movie, and this site is useless?", or "Why is the Hulk a bad movie, and the site useless?" In fairness, you did make some good points, but there were some points that were inaccurate. Though since you only saw this film once, I can see why you messed up. (1.) I think she already had a vague idea about what happened to the lab, and was already wondering why Bruce survived the radiation, so she was already guessing what happened to the Hulk in her mind. Plus, she wasn't too calm, it was more of a shock/fright, where if you stay still and don't do any sudden moves, nothing will happen. (2.) He probably wasn't thinking to clearly, first off, since he was panicking, and second, though radiation does pass through the body, most of it was absorbed by his body, hince why you here Betty explaining the injuries and damage done to the other scientist. (3.) I'm not too sure of this, because I'm not a "Hulk" afficionado, but I think it was a local organization and that's why Josh Lucas' character was trying to do the hostile takeover and such. The army did have control of the project in the 70's, when David was in charge, but after the accident, I think the Army stopped funding for their research. (4.) Well, like Lee said, there wasn't a lot of security day, and I supposed there would be even less during the night shifts. Plus, even if there were security guards, I don't think they'd mind a dog on the campus (or wherever they were at). (5.) Because...he maid a plea to General Thunderbolt, and said "I would turn myself in peaceful if you allow me to say goodbye to my son", so I don't think that they were expecting him to get Bruce angry. (6.) She forgot her scarf and he gave it to the dogs to sniff and track her down. (7.) No comment. (8.) I think your thinking of MacGuyver, not the A-Team...I don't remember BA Barracus going around with duct tape >:P (9.) See number #6. (10.) I don't remember that will, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't under water for too long... (11.) Ang Lee wanted to show the human side, Bruce, of the Hulk, that and he said this might as well be an "art" film, and the many shots off lichens and trees and moss reflect that image of "The Hulk". (12.) He didn't know his mom got stabbed period. He knew that something happened in the room and after they came out, so he repressed the memory so that he couldn't remeber what happened before the door opened. He also was afraid of opening the door because he didn't want to see what happened, he was happy not-knowing. (13.) It gets very cold at the alitude and I'd imagine that the G-Forces and pressure would make you pass out at the extent, but I'm not too sure. (14.) He doesn't have to bite into it, he absorbed the energy of the outside of the cable, and since he became part of the cable, I'm pretty sure he was able to harness the energy from the inside, without having to tear through the coating. (15.) See the end of 14. (16.) I honestly don't remember enough of that scene to comment. That's all. I'm not trying to bash you or anything, hince why I did this in a polite manner. The only thing of yours I disagree with is saying this site is useless. If your looking at it in the way that "Hey, this site is useless because they gave The Hulk a good review and I didn't like it," then any site that had someone's opinion on it would be useless, because not everyone relates to someone's critiques. That's why some people trust some critics reviews, because their opinions on movies are similar, and some people trust and follow other critics' reviews. Oh, and I think this site is very useful. I always come here to see what Moriaty, Flint, and Harry think, and I hope they keep up the good work. - --Thanks, TheBluntSDK-- -
June 28, 2003, 9:19 p.m. CST
... are the words that immediately come to mind when I think of Ang Lee's Hulk (and I should stress that because it certainly isn't the Lee/Kirby creation we are seeing on the big screen). The script was ridiculous and the acting was laughably bad. Eric Bana and Jennifer Connely had all the emotional range of a coffee table, and Nick Nolte was so over-the-top that it bordered on camp. It is the first time that I saw an audience in a movie theatre boo the screen and I couldn't believe the number of parents leaving with their children - and NOT returning! No, this was a turkey of Thanksgiving Day proportions. The material would have been better suited for a mainstream director. Ang Lee directing this film is like Luciano Pavorotti singing with Van Halen. Just a bad idea.
June 28, 2003, 9:23 p.m. CST
... are the words that immediately come to mind when I think of Ang Lee's Hulk (and I should stress that because it certainly isn't the Lee/Kirby creation we are seeing on the big screen). The script was ridiculous and the acting was laughably bad. Eric Bana and Jennifer Connely had all the emotional range of a coffee table, and Nick Nolte was so over-the-top that it bordered on camp. It is the first time that I saw an audience in a movie theatre boo the screen and I couldn't believe the number of parents leaving with their children - and NOT returning! No, this was a turkey of Thanksgiving Day proportions. The material would have been better suited for a mainstream director. Ang Lee directing this film is like Luciano Pavorotti singing with Van Halen. Just a bad idea.
June 28, 2003, 10:15 p.m. CST
The Hulk is closure for me. It's been a wonderful past few years to be a comic/movie lover. For the most part, from Blade on up til now, we should be grateful these movies even exist. There was a time when they couldn't even make a decent movie about a man in a costume! Encouraged by these successes, they'll make Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, Sub-Mariner, etc. More power to 'em. For now though, I'm just looking forward to other types of genre films. They have at least proven it can be done. BONG!
June 28, 2003, 10:47 p.m. CST
I walked into 28 Days later intrigued by its intresting yet lack-lusting trailer. I walked out with an entirely different feeling. This movie has to be one of the best films of this year. The camera direction was perfect. And the acting was very convincing. And it is on those principles that this movies stand off from other zombie flicks, and horror films in general. The suspense was awesome. The opening scene was iconic. And the gore...the gore..the gore. Lets just say i'm glad they didn't pussy out on this flim and made it the way all horror films should be made. Rated R. I highly recommend this movie.
June 28, 2003, 10:58 p.m. CST
I walked into this movie with curiosity because of its interesting yet lack-lasting trailer. When i walked out i had an entire different feeling. This movie has to be one of the best films of the year. The camera direction was perfect. The acting was very convincing. And based on just those two principles, this films stands out from other zombie movies....hell horror films in general. The suspense was excellent. And the gore...the gore...the gore. Let me just say i'm glad the studios didn't pussy out. They made this film exactly how all horror films should be made. Rated R. I highly recommend this movies to anyone and everyone.
June 29, 2003, 12:10 a.m. CST
That altitude thing is really stupid from that guy that posted all of those supposed logic flaws in the Hulk. There are a few things that I think are intentionally vague, such as the door, the mother getting stabbed, the scarf... these are left open to slight interpretations. A lot of the film seems to be a subconscious lulling dream state that you're rudely awakened out of when Bruce becomes the Hulk. Which I think is sort of clever, since we're really programmed and half-asleep when we're in everyday life, muttering on and on about useless BS, and if we could really show our true essence, you'd have variations on the extremes of mythological archetypes, of which, the Hulk just happens to be. I always felt he was more a reaction against the need to conform and follow rules, rather than having anything to do with repressed family trauma. Almost a caveman in waiting... Anyway - when that pilot goes up into the barrier between space and the atmosphere, he could be anywhere from 70,000-150,000 feet above the earth's surface. I think that oxygen masks merely regulate, store, and disburse oxygen, and after spinning out of control with the Hulk on the back of the plane, the man could have passed out from fear, dizziness, or, if my theory about the masks is right, lack of oxygen. The second thing that about your post was the part about David biting through that cable. He is already able to absorb the essence of things before this scene, as in when he takes on the qualities of that metal grating floor - when he discovers this power. When he does this, the exterior qualities of things seem to warp over and on top of his skin. When he's in that chair, his hand seems to move underneath the surface of the chair while his skin mimics the surface. So when he bites the wire, his teeth probably absorbed right through the insulation and went down to the wire itself. Voila... take a bite. Overall though, I thought the film was a bit ponderous and could have had a little more fun in the scenes when he's not the hulk. I personally think Lee went off the deep end in an effort to keep his reputation and make it, as much as one possibly can, unforgivingly a film of his own. He could have pulled back just a little...
June 29, 2003, 12:28 a.m. CST
by Voice O. Reason
"You're all obviously products of the American Educational System." ___________________________________ I'm sorry you've bought into the stereotype of American schools. Our media tends to depict our schools as impoverished warzones when, in fact, the majority of our schools are doing quite well. Yes, there are some underfunded inner-city slums that give the rest of our schools a bad reputation, but they mostly exist in movies, on television, and in the minds of politicians who need something to campaign about. If you think you're country (where ever the hell that is) is doing so great, I'd love to see the evidence. Sure, there's statistics that say that American children do worse on standardizd tests, but we actually test all of our kids, not just the ones who are college-bound (like the countries that claim to beat us do).
June 29, 2003, 12:40 a.m. CST
First off, I'm no pothead, by any means. Actually, I'm just a pretentious sometime social smoker, at best. It's just these endless tirades by Hulk-haters everywhere are driving me to serious drug abuse. Besides, haven't you been reading the latest headlines? Marijuana does not cause brain damage! But alcohol...does. Now who's suffering from brain cell degradation? But, on with it... 1) David Banner doesn't "Hulk out" like Bruce because his DNA is NOT THE SAME as Bruce's. David simply experimented on himself, thereby affecting his body in a way that would give birth to a son with the "Hulk" DNA. The dogs "Hulked out" because they were directly subjected to a sample of Bruce's DNA. David's DNA is messed up in a different manner, such that when exposed to the nanomeds and gamma rays, he becomes an Absorbing Man. 2) None of the Hulk Dogs were blood hounds. In fact, they appeared to be a Shar Pei, a Pit Bull, and, of course, a French Poodle. All dogs are born with an innately high sense of smell. Blood hounds are merely trained that way by men for hunting. All dogs have the same DNA because they all came from wolves, and they really have no difference beyond physical build. Therefore, they all smell equally well. 3) Have you read the recent headline of the baby that fell eight stories and lived? It happens. Also, the soldier(s) in the tank were wearing helmets. They had time to put on their safety belts. They didn't have to worry about being crushed by folding metal or being thrown through a windshield like in an SUV because they were in a TANK. Centrifugal force may have played a factor in their survival. The tank hit the very very soft sand dunes, which acted as a cushion. There was no danger of explosion. And of course, we're dealing with the best trained and finest fighting force in the world! At best, the soldier(s) would suffer a concussion or a few broken bones. But that's it. Plus, in these crazy times, it would be very un-Patriotic of Hulk to kill any member of our Armed Forces, agree? Of course you agree! Look, the main reason it's so easy to explain away all of your "logic" faults is because there are no faults. HULK is a perfectly logical well-written thought out film. The hard work's already been done by that fine filmmaker Ang Lee. I'm merely trying my best to show you and other Hulk-haters the way to the light. That's all. Don't hate Hulk. Accept Hulk. Love Hulk. Because HULK IS THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!!
June 29, 2003, 12:44 a.m. CST
by TheGinger Twit
See it's like this. I like to get lost in a film. I like to enjoy a story. I don't like to see a transition that makes me think - wow, that was un-called for. I don't want to see acting that makes me think - wow, what the fuck is going on with this? I don't want to see direction that makes me think - Did this thing even have a director? I don't want to see a script that makes me think - This must have been written by a bunch of stoners in a very smokey conference room brainstorming about what would be 'cool'. Is the Editing style and transitions original? I don't think so. You never see Tim Allen's TV show home improvement? You never see the crap fest Inspector Gadget? It had all the same shit this film did. It's not good film making. If Universal was truely proud of this film and it's style, then it would have made trailers and TV spots with the same kind of style. Yes I have Editing software, the point wasn't to blow my own horn, the point was that I've worked with film makers that feel the need to jam pack their movies witht his kind of special effects nonsence - all because there's a transition option with thousands of different transition - but only 1 (A cross disolve) that should be used. I'm just absolutly discusted with this Hulk film. I'm absolutly discusted with Ang Lee. But most of all, I am absolutly discusted that people like you will make out that I'd prefer to watch a piece of shit like Batman & Robin - like if it was made better then that's what it would be. Well, here's me raising my finger to that. The Hulk could have been a really good fun film. Yes, key words, fun film. Now just because it's a fun film doesn't mean it couldn't have it's dark moments. Or it's compelling story. fun means that it moved well. That we could understand the HULK's anger. We could see the rage. Instead, none of that. Who is Bruce Banner? as far as I can tell, he's just a retard with no personality who turns green and mean. Who is Betty? Some chick who knows Bruce - and I guess I'm just supposed to assume they are in love. Who is Nick Nolte, he's the character at the beginning when he was younger. I put that together not through enjoyment of the story, but by assumption that this film could really be this bad. I'm afraid the army dude, who was betty's father just went way over my head. You see, I hated this film. Everyone I know hates this film. I'm still meeting more who hate this film. Nothing you can say about me not getting it, or prefering it was dumbed down for me, or prefering that some hack like Anderson should have done it - Just fuck off with that bull shit. We'll all see how well Time treats the HULK. I'm betting my side has the final say.
June 29, 2003, 2:08 a.m. CST
by Serious Black
Some out there are determined to hate the Hulk. They post their venomous diatribes again and again as if in doing so they will be released from the agony that the Hulk has inflicted upon them. This seems appropriate. The poor, misunderstood monster must have been destined to have a misunderstood film. It
June 29, 2003, 2:37 p.m. CST
Regarding the Hulk, I liked most of it, even the long introduction. What I didnt like was the CGI Hulk, it seems to be pretty inconsistent as far as the size, he can hammerthrow the tank, and when he did this the tank looked smaller than when he took off the turret on the other tank. The infected dogs changed size too, bigger when fighting him and smaller on normal surroundings especially when compared against the car. If David Banner can absorb electricity how can he die from a nuclear blast, wouldnt that make him even stronger. As for 28 Days Later, I liked the movie a whole lot better only thing is if it only takes it 30 seconds to get transformed, how was it able to spread to the rest of the world, surely you wont let an infected man board a plane. Spoiler, Spoiler, I also didnt think it was wise of him to release the infected soldier knowing that the two girls are also there, I thought the risk was too much.
June 29, 2003, 3:06 p.m. CST
This movie was average, nothing special.
June 29, 2003, 4:57 p.m. CST
Two questions...(1) should "fucken" be "fucking"? (2) The American public didn't elect George Bush. His opponent actually got more votes!
June 29, 2003, 5:01 p.m. CST
It should have read: in what sense did the American people elect George W. Bush when he actually got less votes than his opponent?
June 29, 2003, 5:12 p.m. CST
I gotta say, it had that good "End of the world empty streets" vibe, when even going grocery shopping becomes a blessing. Cool music too. I wouldn't say I was afraid of the zombies, but the idea of being alive and without a soul scares the shit out of me. And things weren't overexplained, they just existed and a few people had to live with limited knowledge. Dark=Zombies, simple as that. The zombie attacks were short and confusing, but as a whole, the movie was worth it and I would take a girl to it. The only bad acting was the young girl. Pretencious line-delivery sucks too. but awesome movie.
June 29, 2003, 5:41 p.m. CST
...and after reading the TBs, I know why. 28 DAYS LATER wasn't my kind of Zombie movie. WAAAAH!
June 29, 2003, 8:28 p.m. CST
I think it is fair to say whatever THE HULK does box office-wise, it was never intended to be another SPIDERMAN. It is not a film I would see in the movies but then I didn't see SPIDEY in a theater either. (I had trouble enough sitting through the first X-MEN in my local bijou, even with my youngest kid and wife in tow.) The kids are the one who made SPIDEY a spectacular success, after all, and they will make or break THE HULK. Problem is, THE HULK has no following outside of a very narrowly defined demographic. And that demographic is entirely male to boot, which cuts further into the box office potential. I used to love THE HULK comics as a kid, but one look at the previews for this is enough to turn me off comic book movies forever. I could take a green-painted stunt man as the Hulk, but a cartoon interacting with human actors? Shades of Roger Rabbitt! On the other hand, a CGI HULK is aimed at a completely different age group and mindset than mine.
June 29, 2003, 11:27 p.m. CST
This is easily the best thing I
June 29, 2003, 11:43 p.m. CST
Just got home from seeing The Hulk. I have to say that it is one of the more original movies I've seen in quite a while. Yet, it still retained the super hero movie formula-backstory, love interest, sympathy and of course action. The Hulk is definitely better than Spider-Man. Nick Nolte was great, as was Jennifer and Bana. The Hulk himself was far better than I expected, except for the desert scenes with him hoping around. But the first scenes of the Hulk, at night and in the lab with Nolte, they looked great. Lucas death scene was retarded, and Im still undecided about the ending. I suppose it was meant to be seen as Bruce finally comfronting his inner demons, his pas and his father. Anyway, those who havent seen it, go, its worth your $8.
June 30, 2003, 1:39 a.m. CST
When the hulk goes nuts in the desert it was so freaking cool I got all antsy in my seat. I almost squealed in delight. It's because it was so dead on true to the comics. Don't believe these assholes who watched it on thier computers. They're retards. If you are a fan of the comics or just really cool movies, you owe it to yourself to see it on the big screen. You won't regret it.
June 30, 2003, 2:49 a.m. CST
"28 Days Later ... has many scenes of maiming, dismemberment, clubbing, shooting, bayoneting and shoplifting." That was funny to me, and I'm now sharing it with you.
June 30, 2003, 2:56 a.m. CST
by jules windex
Unless Universal really slashes the budget, you won't be seeing another Hulk film anytime soon. It is OVER
June 30, 2003, 4:17 a.m. CST
by Trader Groucho
after reading moriarty's review, i may give the big green guy a second shot on DVD, but i gotta say this is by far my least favorite ang lee flick. but i am totally with moriarty on mars attacks! i watched it again last night with a friend who'd never seen it. her reaction? a. she loved it. 2. she totally understood why it didn't do better at the box office. i can't tell you how much i still love the martians' gleeful culturally aware maliciousness. by the time the film gets to the first time the martians hear slim whitman, you totally GET why his singing would have that kind of effect on them.
June 30, 2003, 4:20 a.m. CST
by Trader Groucho
am i alone here?
June 30, 2003, 6:29 a.m. CST
by pogo on my own
I dont know if someone already posted this, but he stole the scarf and later threw it to the dogs to give them her scent. You could see him throw it in the dogs pen just before they took off.
June 30, 2003, 7:05 a.m. CST
by Commando Cody
From the Reuters newswire (quote): "There were some other trouble spots at the box office. "The Hulk" slipped to No. 2 with just $18.4 million in its second weekend, losing a stunning 70 PERCENT of its audience, one of the steepest slides in recent memory. Its 70 percent tumble compares with a 63 percent second-weekend drop for 2 Fast 2 Furious, a 45 percent dip for Bruce Almighty, and a 34 percent erosion for Finding Nemo. "Obviously we're very disappointed," said Nikki Rocco, Universal's president of distribution. "You never want to see this kind of drop." (END QUOTE) ******* Gee, here's a tip -- maybe somebody should've stood up at one of the Universal test screenings and simply told them that the movie was a boring piece of shit that Ang Lee jerked himself off on apparently. Sheesh, what a crapfest HULK was. Who would've thought the old Bill Bixby 2 hour TV pilot would be a helluva lot more fun and would possess a characterization of David Banner that was more sympathetic AND infinitely more likeable?
June 30, 2003, 8:55 a.m. CST
by Alex J. Murphy
Ribbons said: "Yeah, because all lonely soliders will, invariably, end up raping women. I know the army and religion are growing increasingly more reviled among 'film scholar' circles, but give me a fucking break. We NEED more films like '28 Days Later?!' Yeah, we NEED more self-important "experimental" directors that contribute to the disparity of moviegoing audiences in the first place. We need another '28 Days Later' like we need a bad rash. Sure, there are a lot of things to admire about the film, but c'mon. I know religion and the army are two things 'film scholars' love to hate, but enough already." Amen, Ribbons!
June 30, 2003, 8:58 a.m. CST
by Roger Thornhill
28 Days Later is the best genre film I've seen all year. And yes it directly lifts scenes out of Dawn of the Dead and Day of the Dead, but Danny Boyle said that Romero's zombie epics were the biggest influence on his zombie film. So I think of it more as a homage than stealing. And yes 28 Days Later is very much a zombie film. It just happens that Boyle and his screenwriter (his name escapes me) have added a bit of a twist to the rules that Romero set in 1968. It doesn't matter if they're technically dead or not, the infected are most definetely zombies.----------------------> I'd also like to comment on the talkbackers who have been claiming that most Americans have low IQs. Not only do I find that utterly ridiculous, but I also believe they're pretentious snobs who buy into the European belief that America has no culture. If we have no culture, then why go see our pictures, watch our television programs, use our inventions, and read our books? Don't all of those things represent American culture? I suppose one could point out, "American movies are the only things that play at our local cinema." Well, no one is forcing you at gun point to go see those films. If your people stopped going to see them and American films did poorly overseas than fewer and fewer would be exported because of diminishing profits. Sheesh, and people call Americans hypocrites.
June 30, 2003, 9:08 a.m. CST
by Larry Jay
1. I am an American. I served in the UNITED STATES NAVY for 20 years defending your rights. I have the bullet hole in my right arm to prove it. And I believe I can speak from experience when I tell you that the AMERICAN EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM SUCKS. Want proof? During my service I spent three years on the streets searching for qualified applicants to join the Navy as a bag dragging Navy Recruiter. During that time I had the distinct displeasure of trying to winnow out all of the so called "Well tested" and educated products of our system. I used a standardized test called the ASVAB. (ARMED SERVICES VOCATIONAL APTITUDE BATTERY) a combination of English skills (our native language by the way), basic math through Algebra 2, cognitive recognition drills, multiple choice reading questions and various others. The NATIONAL average score for this test is 33 (out of a possible 99) I have personally seen applicants (from middle class suburban high schools score a 4 on the fucking exam. As a matter of reference in order to join the MARINE CORPS as a simple gun toting marine requires at LEAST a 27 and thats when the CORPS is desperate. In order to Join the NAVY as a deck seaman requires a 33, to even be considered for the AIR Force requires a 40. Thats not considering the high end jobs like electronics technician, computer tech or Nuclear engineering (min 90). I have personally sat in my vehicle and watched as great MASSES of high schoolers go home DAILY WITHOUT ANY BOOKS TO STUDY. We have no quality in our educational system all we require is the ability of rote memorization to get through the STATE Sponsored test. Our educational system does NOT foster original thought, does not foster classical learning techniques and our youth is WOEFULLY unprepared for college let alone REAL LIFE. As I said before, we are not preparing our children to think originally, to challenge conventions and to look at a movie as UNCONVENTIONAL and ORIGINAL as the HULK with an open mind and accept that someone else vision can be a valid and stimulating thing. They are however ready to be spoon fed thier thoughts and dreams and aspire to be a GOOD CONSUMER. Our faults as parents and responsible citizens do not end at the inner cities. They extend FAR into our suburban nightmares and will continue to haunt those of us with passion for the future and who love a challenge for what it is. ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!
June 30, 2003, 10:24 a.m. CST
Well, I betcha Marvel learned a lesson with Hulk and its underperformance at the box office. Since Blade started this I think it's been their first real misstep commercially at the box office. Yes, it will make its money back -- eventually. But the Hulk as a property had the chance to do $250-$300M domestically in its theater run. Instead it will top out around $140M. Considering the movie cost about $172M to produce ($137M production costs and $35M in marketing) this is a let down. They'll need to make their money back in the foreign market and then on home video. And you know that's not what they were planning when they greenlit the film. They were planning on sequels -- trust me, there will be no sequel to Hulk any time soon. Marvel will learn a lesson that you have to remember that "fun" is a big part of these characters. These high-minded "auteur" directors who sign up to do these films should be familiar with them and should have grown up with the characters. That's why Sam Raimi did such a good job. He knows how to make a "fun" film (see Evil Dead) and he grew up on Spider-Man (see the now famous story of his parents paying a local artist to do a Spider-Man mural on his wall). Keep it simple. Keep it fun. The Hulk is Dr.Jekyll meets Frankenstein. NOT Dr. Jekyll meets Frankenstein meets Oedipus or whatever the hell was going on with the father thing.
June 30, 2003, 10:41 a.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
Everything that happened in the film we have seen before in other zombie films. It heavily borrowed from the Living dead trilogy. And I couldn't help think about my favorite video game "Resident Evil" with the virus storyline. The music was pretty bad, and the only reason some people were jolted out of their seats was because the movie has extremely long silences then when something happens the sound gets put up at an extremely loud level. It was funny to see the doofy frat boy looking guys sitting next to me completely shook by a tarded looking boy Zombie that attacks someone in a gas station. To me it looked ridiculous. I myself wasn't fazed by anyof the so called "shocks" but maybe I am desensitized by growing up watching horror films. I was really disappointed, and from things I read, there was one review that said Director Danny Boyle reinvents the Zombie Movie Genre. How? By rehashing everything we have already seen? The military men, the opening scene of the main character waking up and seeing the newspaper, and the tied up zombie in the military base can all be seen in "Day of the Dead" How exactly is Danny boyle breaking new ground? By releasing an apocalyptic virus movie in these times of SARS or Monkeypox? I thought it had major promise, but even the selling point, the zombies, were wack. They did not eat or shread people to bits. Just scratched them a bit and then threw up on them. I just liked the Selena character and how she did what people in the audience were yelling. One question I do have, is Danny Boyle gay? What's with the full frontal shots on that guy that looked like an emaciated Dolph Lundgren? Then there is even another shot of him later on nude in the film taking a shower that had no point. Another burning question, did Pepsi fund the film? There were so many shots with Pepsi Cans. Another funny thing was the people in the theatre were cheering for the "Freddy Versus Jason" trailer. I was shocked and realized it may be bigger than I thought. But I'm still doubtful on that one.
June 30, 2003, 3:08 p.m. CST
Yeah, I can see it already, similar to what happened to Blade Runner back in the 80's, where everyone expected a thrilling action sci-fi and end up with a philosophic noir film in the future, it flopped at the box-office but became one of the most influential and important movies of all-time. Not that Hulk will be as important, by far, but the movie is the closest thing to an actual super-hero comic ever put on the screen, not only on the visual narrative that mimics the graphic style of comics but the actual blend of campyness and serious drama that is part of every super-hero comic book. The movie has flaws, it's overlong and that final battle felt unnecessary and unsatisfying but Ang lee deserve the credit for having balls to actually do his own thing and daring to pay the price of not pleasing everyone, instead of copying other directors formulas like the dude who did that mediocre Daredevil flick. HULK isn't a masterpiece but it's an impressive piece of film nonetheless and unique in the current ocean of generic summer-blockbusters. I bet with you that HULK will become a reference to many of the super-hero flicks to come and spawn a lot of copycats. BTW, X2 is still the best Marvel flick yet with Spiderman in second and Hulk in a close third.
July 1, 2003, 9:41 p.m. CST
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