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A more specific look at T3 advance screening!
Hey folks, Harry here... well it is certainly looking much better, and frankly I couldn't be happier. I was dreading this film, dreading it because I still have the memory of the critical errors in direction shift that often occur from film 2 to film 3. ALIEN 3, RETURN OF THE JEDI, BATMAN FOREVER - and with the sheer amount of negativity I was seeing throughout this production, I have been terrified of seeing a bad Terminator movie... That just wouldn't be cool, but it sounds like the film is quite good. NOW A WARNING, the below review goes into really intense spoilers - DO NOT READ, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW ALMOST EVERYTHING! You've been warned. Read at your own risk...
Just saw T3 last night...
I was one of those souls who was mortified by the terrible preview ("SHE'LL BE BACK!!" - urgh) of T3. But guess what - the film is actually pretty good! I saw it with a bunch of opinionated studio people and the general consensus is....IT IS GOOD!!!
Jonathan Mostow, welcome to the Big-League.
T3 needed to overcome the prevailing notion of 'destined-to-fail' image without Cameron's participation. In the action sequences, T3 does outgun T2 in terms of sheer size and amount of destruction and mayhem on screen. All the obligatory scenes of previous films (most notably T2) are repeated here - Arnold's full-monty entrance to a bar, his sunglass, motor cycle gigs, etc., etc. - with a bit of twist, but humor does not really hit the mark...which makes you a bit nervous in the beginning.
But when the action starts, it never lets up. Notable here is the car chase scene - it's real, and because it's real, it's spectacular. Much better than gamey Matrix Reloaded I must say. You get that sense of 'wow' - not the special effects 'wow', but like Jackie Chan 'wow' - that what you're seeing is a 'real' destruction.
The story itself does not disappoint too much either - all the elements of the film which made me hate the film before I even saw it actually turned out to be pleasant surprises - the hotty female TX, Nick Stahl, Clare Daines...they all deliver. (Except that shitty "SHE'LL BE BACK" bullshit line). The character development of Nick Stahl and Clare Daines was well done, I must say. The ending by the way was a great setup for T4 and possibly T5...
The film starts with John Conner (Nick Stahl)'s narration - with a grim statement that the future cannot be changed by our will and action...he only hopes...
He lives anonymously, still living in fear that another Terminator will reappear to kill him. He's homeless, a vagabond. He gets into a motorcyle accident and then he breaks into an animal care facility to fix himself up - and gets knocked out from medicine he took. Ms. Brewster, whose father is a military official in charge of overseeing the communications network, works there and is called in at 5am when she gets call there's an emergency.
The chance encounter of Brewster and Conner reveals that they were friends when they were young...and later we learn that they made out at a basement cafe somewhere the day before Conner ran into the Terminators in T2.
TX arrives at Beverly Hills and goes on killing spree - interestingly enough, she's not after Conner. She kills a guy at a hamburger stand and proceeds to the animal hospital to kill Brewster. T101 (Arnold) then arrives at the scene and help Conner and Brewster escape....a spectacular chase scene ensues...
T101 catches up with the two, and finally reveals that he was sent to protect both Conner and Brewster. However, he's not under Conner's command - he's under Brewster's command. We learn that this T101 KILLED Conner in the future, because Conner got sentimental about his T2 memory and let down his guard when he saw T101...Brewster, who will be both wife and second-in-command of the human resistance then captured T101 and sent it back to the past. TX was sent to kill all Conner's lieutanants because Conner erased all his identity and disappered. Now TX is after both Conner and Brewster, not to mention others.
In the meantime, Brewster's father learns that the US is plagued by a super-computer virus which has crippled the nation's defense system, the Internet, and the whole shbang. He's pressured by his subordinates and Pentago superiors alike to unleash this AI program to terminate the virus...and he reluctantly agrees. Little did anyone know that Virus was the self-aware Skynet's plot to be let loose into the world. Long story short, TX, unable to find Conner, shows up to kill Mr. Brewster, who is then deterred by T101 and Conner to save the day.
Overall, the film does have a bit of cheesy moments, but it's strong. Performance by Nick Stahl was very convincing and pleasing at the same time. However, it doesn't feel GRAND - like Cameron GRAND. The pacing is very quick, and you get that feeling - the feeling that it's too quick a ride. They better get to it with T4 and T5 before Arnold gets too old - or becomes the California governor.
If you're going to use this, call me HEARTHORN.
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Sorry, couldn't resist. Go ahead, yell at me...
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All of the reviews so far have all been positive. I have yet to read a negative review.
This speaks volumes for T3.
And this looks like I'm the first poster! Yeah baby!
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Very much like Attack of the Clones. People will just be glad T3 isn't terrible, but let down that it isn't great.
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Fucht phurst postahs... fucht dem oop de schtupid azzes...
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naw CoolDude, no one's gonna yell at you, go ahead and post "First". Shake them haters off who say "Fuck First Posters!" You beat me and everyone to it, so "big ups" to you.
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Sorry about that, i meant to say CoolDan. "Shake Them Haters off!"
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Did anyone see Arnie's physique for T3? Holy hell! He's still got it! Look here:
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I Lied
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...I won't be satisfied until each and every member of the cast of "Predator" has been voted into political office. Bill Duke as senator? Sure! Carl Weathers as mayor of some major city? Okay! Sonny Landham appointed secretary of the interior? You betcha! Not sure what to do with Shane Black and that other guy. Oh, and the Predator should rightfully by appointed to the Supreme Court when Rhenquist retires - he can take some "affirmative action" of his own - "BLAST!!!"
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... and I don't think anyone is going to be let down. It may not be Saving Private Ryan great, but as far as Matrix great or FOTK great or even Finding Nemo great - that it will be. Count me in. The T-X rules.
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best arnold line EVER!
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Jun 19, 2003 10:12:52 AM CDT
Jonathan Mostow interview - likes to read AICN and Dark Horizons
by porsche
Brand new T3 interview up at Moviehole.net with Mostow. Check it out.
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Jun 19, 2003 10:20:58 AM CDT
The car chase is more "real" than the Matrix: Reloaded car chase
by theaflacduck
Are you completely freaking bonkers? or did you just miss the whole point of The Matrix? It's NOT SUPPOSED to be "real" it's supposed to be over the top and larger than reality because of the things the characters are able to do in the Matrix. SHEESH! Quit ragging on The Matrix just 'cause it's 'cool' ... you're embarrassing yourself. I'll still watch T3 though. With reserved anticipation. AFLAC!!!
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this is like Jaws 2
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Allyssa Milano's finest moment. Apart from all those FHM spreads. And maybe that vampire film with the guy from Spandau Ballet
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Jun 19, 2003 10:55:46 AM CDT
Harry,Return of the Jedi was a billion times better than 2 other
by tarl_cabot
But let's talk T3. I hope it's decent. Just because Jim C didn't direct doesn't mean it's not gonna be good.Afterall,James Cameron replaced Ridley Scott for Aliens and that turned out pretty damn good(not as good as original).let's hope they explain Arnie's shop worn appearence too.My guess is if he's a 20 year old T-800 it makes perfect sense for his human tissue to age...I hope they address this issue.
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C'mon. I'm excited. Arnie is THE ORIGINAL ALL-TIME BADASS! I didn't think Terminator or T2 were great...just very good and entertaining. That is all I can hope for out of a Terminator movie and it seems like T3 will deliver. I'll be back...into the theater after HULK-MAN!!!
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Ya know, I think people are too harsh on ROTJ. Maybe it suffered from following on the perfection of Empire but when I was 11 and saw this at the cinema I still remember being giddy with excitement and no matter how it may now look you can't take that away from me. Oh and this Steve Austin shit just ain't funny.
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But the wrestler catch phrase has been done. sk
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Charles Dickens wrote this. He meets up with a girl who he just happened to make out with on a couch in a basement just prior to the events that happened in T2. She's his wife in the future? Nice and convenient. Well at least everything pivotal in John Conner's life didn't happen in one day like Young Indiana Jones.
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Perhaps when he is done reaming me he will post another raging review full of spoilers on what it is like to fuck my ass. Don't read them if you don't want to ruin the surprise!!
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Am I nuts, or did this review not mention Sarah once? Are they just ignoring her? And what about the destruction of the Terminator hand that Joe Morton had? Was Joe Morton sleeping with Cameron, too? Oh, and to the Steve Austin guy, one post occasionally is funny, five posts on every Talk Back is annoying. Hulk Hogan is funnier, anyway... See how I didn't say "resonates with the emotional intelligence" once? That's restraint! Learn it, know it, live it...
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I know it's off-topic but I was kinda hoping for an annotated T3 script soon,and have just discovered that Facer's website appears to be no more. As far as the movie review goes,it sounds encouraging [I didn't read the spoilers]. But I thought the most telling comment was the one at the end about it not being "Cameron GRAND". I think I'llenjoy the movie,but it won't be able to hold a candle to either of the first two.
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It would be so bad ass if the movie ended with arnie being held to the ground by Agent Hulk Hogan and Agent Macho Man in full smith gear and before Macho Man sucks arnie's blood Hulk says: "The Matrix has you, Brother!! Ergo, visavis concordantly! *howls @ the moon like a werewolf*" then he turns into a bat and right before he flies off, Agent Macho Man says: "Hey freak show! Bonesaw is reeeadddy. OH YEEEEAAAAHHHH!!" and then he snaps into a slim jim. *cue falling matrix code*
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Sure they're not as good as the two previous films. But compare them to most of todays blockbusters and see how they hold up.
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It's HERCULES in New York, not Tarzan!! What's the hell is wrong with you?
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funny shit. hope T3 is good. hell, I'll settle for a decent action flick! Just so long as the movie is not the steaming pile that will be Charlie's Angels. I want Kill Bill dammit!
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hopefully his performance will purge that poor boy's aweful scene with his dad in that krazy-ass larry clark film...yikes
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Jun 19, 2003 2:53:13 PM CDT
How can Nick Stahl be The One? Everybody knows it's Keanu Reeves
by frankdrebin
No, wait, Brendan Fraser was The One in The Mummy Returns. Or was it Jet Li in The One? Actually, both Sean William Scott and James King were The One in Bulletproof Monk... Alright, that's it, the next film that has A Chosen One in it gets it!
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Theres no where to begin with all the plot holes and inconsistencies. Just needless to say they could just have easily have said, "we have no idea how to write a story, heres some stuff that we blew up enjoy" -
How fucking awesome would it be if a T-1000 is reprogrammed to protect them?
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Jun 19, 2003 6:46:54 PM CDT
Is the T-X supposed to be more advanced than the T-1000...?
by red raider
In the previews, the T-X appears to be a hybrid between the T-101's endoskeleton & the T-1000's liquid metal form. Wasn't the T-1000 programmed at the molecular level? If so, you don't get much more advanced than that! I agree with the previous talkbacker: Robert Patrick portraying a T-1000 programmed to protect John Conner would be soooo much better. Robert Patrick, where art thou?! And I for one believed that, with some fresh writers and a little imagination, X-Files could've flourished with Doggett & Reyes as the main characters. Roberrt Patrick fucking rocks!
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T3!! fuck yeah dude! i knew matirx was going to suck after hearing all the negativity on this site but hey it was brought on itself when half the movie was created ona computer. but T3 should be great but what about T4??? i doubt arnold would come back and if he did id be a small role even a cameo maybe. any thoughts on what t4 could be or anything?
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I haven't read the book, but I have this feeling that Hagrid gets bumped off. Any takers???
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...it would stop all the confusion
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...simply because Gray Davis sucks and has to go. Besides, how cool would it be to have Arnold commanding over the California state legislature? Least every time you turned on the news, the political report would be interesting, lively and fun again.
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Jun 19, 2003 11:32:06 PM CDT
Since so many people were PRE-BASHING this sight unseen, wouldn'
by commando cody
Just goes to show you, sometimes it pays to be the dark horse running in the summer movie sweepstakes where you can still sneak up on people and surprise them in the end. Hope it's good, would love to see Arnold back in form or go out on a high note...
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Danny DeVito when he teamed up with the T101 in the underrated prequil!
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Jun 20, 2003 12:25:07 AM CDT
Now I'm really confused. Harry, You always rave about David Finc
by theginger twit
Jurrasic part 3 is what I think Terminator 3 will be. Good, not great - let down by some horrid moments.
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Two crappy movies. Now thats a real shame.
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Jun 20, 2003 3:49:05 AM CDT
The terminator films were the most poorly executed films ever.
by pinkdeath
So, I watched T2 and started thinking...
1, why only send one terminator back? I would send
like 10 once a month to make sure the job gets done.
2, they are machines, they never sleep, why is there
only one teleporter pad at a time? build like 50 in a
secret base.
3, they are machines, they don't need paper to lay out
plans, so how are the humans getting wind of the
robots plans?
John Conner as well is stupid.
1, In T2, he learns the terminator is in a "read only"
mode when on a mission. Well, why did he not reset the
terminator to learn before he sent arnie back in time?
You would think he could remember his own childhood.
2, why not just send back arnie to kill the black guy,
who's name I can not remember. That would stop all of
this.
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It really doesn't matter too much who dies in hp5. Like in the X-Files, just because they're dead doesn't mean they not coming back.
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but thanks for telling everyone who dies. Could you also tell us the plot outline of the book as well while you're at it?
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My bad...Hey it was what I was told. I guess you have to read to see if it's true. I'm not reading the book either way.
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THE BEST ACTION MOVIE OF
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Tarl_cabot brought up a very feasible in-context explanation for Arnie's age in a post above. The human flesh surrounding the endoskeleton simply ages naturally. I could totally accept that but I have a nagging feeling they're going to just skitter past the issue altogether in T3. Nevertheless if i don't like this film it won't be because I think Arnie looks old it'll just be because it has fallen prey to current Hollywood trends of using CGI to turn the cherished films of our younger years into overblown cartoons. Looking at the plot synopsis and the various spoilers I've seen I don't think this will be the case though. Hope not.
Also someone said it would be cool if a T-1000 was doing the protecting, and also called for the return of Robert Patrick. This I really can't see happening since Robert isn't looking sparkly and youthful anymore either if anyone had been watching X-files for the last 2 years of its run. And how would they explain away HIS age? He's a liquid metal Terminator, without aging-prone flesh, and why would he choose to mould wrinkles?
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Jun 21, 2003 12:09:38 AM CDT
"Desire.......is........irrelevant! I.........am........a MACHIN
by dan_average
YESSIR THIS LOOKS LIKE A STEAMING PILE OF DOGSHIT RIGHT HERE
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BEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME!!!!! YOU WONT BELIEVE IT!!!!! OMG OMG!!! I CAN'T GET TO SLEEP111!!!!!!!!!!
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Jun 21, 2003 7:19:52 PM CDT
THE PROTEST!! "T3: Not w/Cameron, NOT FOR ME!!!!" That's right
by key-raise-ee
CALL TO ARMS DAMNIT!!!! This Cameron fan, former intern of many studios who's given Hollywood the FINGER, is giving them the finger again by boycotting and picketing T3 (That's right Hollywood bitches!! Try and stop me, this here's 230 lbs. of actual muscle you studio suit @$$holes!! Just try it mother$$#%% I'll slam you into next week!!!) I'll be in Northern California picketing at either *****The Regency**** in Dublin or ***Century 16*** in pleasant hill. I invite all those non-sell outs who aren't working and can spare a few minutes on July 3rd and July 4th (am working on July 2nd and can't make it myself) to join me. And, if possible, would greatly appreciate it if someone can start it off on July 2nd (if yes, let me know where you'll be via this board and I'll be sure to stop by with some refreshments for ya. C'mon damnit!! If anyone actually cares, I invite them to get off their butts and do this. Stick a big fat finger in the air to the a-holes at Fox ( and hey, you want to protest Aliens vs. Predator with Paul Anderson and get a REAL movie made before we're screwed again? You got it! Ok...here goes: PROTEST JULY 2-4, Northern CAlifornia **The Regency at Dublin, CA*** and/or ***Century 16 Pleasant Hill, CA***. Make a stand against the crap, stick it to the execs. when the t.v. crews come out and let me know we've still got some people out there who give a shit beyond just writing on these boards DAMNIT!!!!
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To answer some questions:
Sarah Conner is dead of cancer before this movie timeline begins. Arnie and gang raid her mausoleum because her casket is full of weapons instead of her body. Arnie knew this.
The TX has an endoskeleton because it has a greater powersource, making her faster and stronger than the T1000 could be, and also allows for internal energy weapons. Her liquid metal exterior still allows for shape shifting but its limited to similar sized humaniods. Her metal exterior also has another ability than adds to her effectiveness.
All the T100's look like Arnold because they are patterned after the human in charge of the original development of terminators, back before Judgement day when SkyNet was a military program run by humans. They were prototype cybernetic soldiers before the machines turned them into human killers.
I think this movie will be better than many people think, but won't offer enough that is new above the other films to be a slam dunk.
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