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Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...
If you haven’t read Kirk Huneycutt’s rave over at THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER, allow me to paraphrase: the boy lost his damn fool mind.
Me, I’ve got 12 tickets for the Cinerama Dome, opening night, and I’m going with a great group of friends. It should be a blast, and I’m looking forward to the experience. In the meantime, I’m getting a lot of these in, reviews from folks lucky enough to get invited to one of the many press screenings going on at the moment. Check this guy out... but BEWARE OF SPOILERS!!!
Hey Guys,
Went to a screening of Ang Lee's HULK at Mazza Gallerie Thursday night and saw you have not yet posted a reader review of the film. So here's one I whipped up. It's lengthy and has spoilers, so use it however you deem fit.
HULK
dir. Ang Lee, PG-13
The Hulk was not one of the superheroes that I was raised on through my childhood upbringing of comic books and cartoons. My early interests were focused primarily on Spider-Man, X-Men and Batman. Later on, as my field of preference expanded, I was introduced to what comic book readers refer to as “second-tier” heroes such as Daredevil, The Hulk and The Punisher. So I don’t have quite the attachment and emotional baggage when it comes to the green-colored goliath and others might, but I can more than appreciate his roots. And I even have taken to reading the latest run of The Incredible Hulk, penned by Bruce Jones (latest issue is 25 cents, so buy it!).
My first introduction to The Hulk was actually from the old Bill Bixby show; the same time I gather many caught their first glimpse of a man-sized, green painted Hulk. Its premise was sound and some of the personal analysis aspects of the show are golden, but its execution was flawed and generic. Bill Bixby would show up at a new place each week, stop some bumbling criminals, get upset because someone stole his milkshake and go postal. And run. Not necessarily the greatest comic book adaptation.
So here it is, the inevitable Hulk movie. With the current flood of comic book movies, we knew that after X-Men and Spider-Man, it would be race between The Punisher, The Fantastic Four, Captain America and The Hulk to see which one would hit the big screen first. Hulk wins. And as so, Marvel has followed its formula of pairing a talented, ambitious director not of the Spielberg-ian marquee value with one if its distinct licensed properties; here tagging Ang Lee with The Hulk. And how does it work out? For the most part, the film is a lot of fun. And I think many will be surprised how enjoyable this film really is.
For those bitching about the changes from the origin story in the comics or television show and the movie adaptation, I’ll address you first. Yes, the origin is very much different. But if I was a movie-goer going to see Hulk, I don’t want to see the same story I’ve read or seen twenty different times. Ang Lee’s take on Hulk is very swank up until the end where it struggles a bit with blending fantasy and reality.
The film chronicles Bruce Banner’s childhood trauma to his rise as a young, successful scientist. Of course, this all goes wrong when he is hit by gamma radiation. Unlike the comic book counterpart, the radiation is just a trigger for his mutation and not really the actually cause for his Hulk mutation.
What ensues is Banner’s manifestation of The Hulk rampaging from scene to scene as he fights selfish captors leaving Bruce to deal with the wreckage. Betty Ross finds out her connection (well, her father’s actually) to the Banner family and tries to help Bruce deal with his repressed emotions. The backstory with his father was a ballsy move and I dug it. Up until the end. This next part is spoilers.
*SPOILER* Bruce Banner’s father, David Banner, an homage to the television Hulk, is indeed The Absorbing Man. His DNA gets passed down to Bruce, who for some reason is able to keep his molecules stable unlike his father. David Banner loses it and fights Bruce Banner at the end – and yes! – by biting into some kind of electrical cord. The scene is kind of sudden, but not as dumb as I first thought. I won’t spoil the fight that continues, but it gets just CRAZY and it’ll probably require another viewing to understand what was going on. *SPOILER*
Obviously, the film is left open for a sequel and the ending is just priceless. It was probably the first time in a Marvel film where the ending was memorable and had me leaving with a smile/chuckle on my face.
Eric Bana just rocks as Bruce Banner. Simply rocks. He’s got the demeanor, the emotional baggage and everything just right. He delivers his lines flawlessly and he is just golden in his role.
That said, pretty much everyone else ranges from satisfactory to solid. Jennifer Connelly seemed kind of underused in her role. Sam Elliot was great as Ross, but the guy who played him during his early 20s delivered his lines in full-out groaner style. Ugh.
*SPOILER* Nick Nolte is hit and miss. There are sometimes when his character is generally believable as a guy who has just lost it. His conversation with Betty Ross and his son initially carry a lot of weight. However, in the last sequence, he just goes over-the-top in such a manner where it takes people out of movie. It’s obvious he didn’t take the scene seriously, which is fine, and even though it delivers a chuckle, it probably could’ve been handled better. *SPOILER*
Fuck you. That’s right. Fuck you. All the haters can stick a bowling trophy up your ass. In no point in the movie was the CG bad. It ranges from okay to the point of suspension of disbelief. That’s the only bad point is that it seems like some parts had greater emphasis on detail than others. And some of the dark shots could benefit from some light.
The whole number of action sequences that take place after The Hulk escapes from a military installation is just plain awesome and was a immense crowd-pleaser. The Hulk ripping the part of a tank that shoots shells and using it as a lead pipe and hitting it in the palm of his hands in full-out badass mode was fucking awesome. He does other equally as cool shit and it’s a shame that people that can’t get over the fact that he doesn’t look photorealistic won’t appreciate that.
That’s the other thing. When viewing the movie, you can’t realize how hard it is to make a 10-foot bright (emphasis on bright there, buddy) green monster with bright purple pants. Next to sand and military installations it definitely is a big contrast. But it’s faithful to the comic book vision, the animation for the most part is rock-solid and the sound effects are great. So, I’m not really going to complain.
Another thing, the interaction with the environment was very impressive, because as you can imagine, The Hulk wrecks a lot of stuff. And it doesn’t look like some cut ‘n paste CGI character moving around explosions, it geniunely looks like he’s causing the wreckage. Overall, the CG didn’t detract from the experience, created fun moments and was definitely cool at parts (like the end), but it won’t change the minds of many critics.
The next part is spoilers, but must be read if you care about special effects!
*SPOILER* When his father becomes The Absorming Man, the following sequence of events are probably some of the most convincing and cool CG effects ever seen on screen. Muren and his guys at ILM have taken the stuff they did with the T-1000 in Terminator 2 to a whole fuckin’ new level. It is simply awesome. How the animation and the sound effects match up make this scene just gorgeous eye candy and one I can recommend to people who even dislike The Hulk model.*SPOILER*
I’ll make this quick, but it’s important. The origin story is different, but it’s good and it makes it virtually impossible to do a similar 20-minute Benniffer-voiced recap as seen in Daredevil. If you get hung up on that, then sit out this film and a dozen other in the pipelines. Hardcore comic geeks suck in generally, though.
The references to the comic, the model of the character, the references to the television show and actually somewhat realistic science-fiction explanation make this film shine. The next part is also spoilers…
*SPOILER* The move to make his father The Absorbing Man was ballsy, but again, it paid off even though the sequence before the climatic end battle was kind of awkward and sudden. It setup a villain though, one comparable to The Hulk and pretty much pushed the film over the top for me in the second half. *SPOILER*
And the ending was just spank-tacular.
I walked in with a lot of doubt and I walked out with a lot of anticipation for the next installment. The sequel is setup beautifully, the ending was great and Ang Lee did a solid job with an origin story that is not known for its ease to pull of. He’s hit by gamma radiation and becomes The Hulk! Why? Why didn’t he just get cancer and die instead? Ang Lee does a pretty solid job of explaining that.
The first half struggles a bit, but is not dull and the second half explodes at a furious pace and doesn’t let up until the end. It’s fun. The film is beautiful. Hell, at one point during the climatic battle at the end, a sequence of it looks ripped from something out of an art gallery. It’s hella cool and hella beautiful. I can’t say it enough – this film is colorful and gorgeous.
The comic book panel layout referenced by some of our esteemed pirate posters is indeed featured throughout the film, but most will tag it as an evolution of the direction used by “24”. It works out great and totally dug it since it’s dealing with a very comic book character. You don’t get more comic-booky than the Hulk with his rogue gallery of DOC SAMSON and THE LEADER.
I took my best-friend who was on the verge of not seeing it and was probably more ecstatic about seeing Legally Blonde 2. He too, walked out wanting a sequel and admitting he had a lot of fun. We both agreed and so did the audience – this was much more a crowd pleaser than Matrix Reloaded. Clapping, “woo-hooing” and such was rampant throughout the film. Certain people you wanted to get fuckin’ hit in the face got fuckin’ hit in the face. Or worse.
Simply put, this is not a classic. But it is however a lot of fun. It was lighter on some of the repressed emotions and tragedy I’d thought Ang Lee would push heavily, but it balanced everything out. There are a few groaners and the CG is not seamless, but if you can’t walk into a theater with a group of friends and walk out satisfied with a smile on your face, you either a jaded Internet pirate or ‘tarded.
Go have fun and thank me later.
-- Lord FedermanWait a minute... there’s piracy on the Internet?!
"Moriarty" out.
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can't wait to see it
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Guess it pays to be awake a midnight! Still unsure about seeing the movie, but if it's eye candy, I'll just see it for the hell of it I guess.
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"For those bitching about the changes from the origin story in the comics or television show and the movie adaptation, I
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That was one of my favorite, if not my favorite "What If" stories. Most of the others were pathetic. The one with What If Spiderman became a movie star was pretty good too....Thank you for this non sequitor.
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Jun 13, 2003 10:32:16 AM CDT
Hulk want you to but big gulp at seven 11 - special hulk glutton
by weedymcsmokey
Wow, does he ever look bright green in those trailers. Neon even. PG-13 indicates some pretty timid faire. But, alas, this film is not meant for me.
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I would consider the Hulk to be first tier. Moon Knight is second tier. And also the source of my user id. Actually, he's more like third or fourth tier.
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I'm looking forward to seeing Hulk break shit! But I hope it's not another Godzilla...
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This looks so fantastic. Every time I see Eric Bana's face, the more and more scenes we're getting to see like in commercials and specials (that MTV one), he's breaking my heart already. And then the Hulk's! Oh gosh, my heart. I cannot wait to see this. I think it's going to be beautiful. Thank you for the review! I did read the "Hollywood Reporter" and it made me soo squeal! I loved it!
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If X-men 3 or 4 doesn't introduce The J-naught than I hope They give him to the Hulk series for villian services. Now that would be tits watching those guys throw down! who's with me?
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I really can't see the Hulk being labeled as a second tier character. Daredevil, Ironman, Ghost Rider....those are second tier characters. I'd even venture so far as to say that outside of Spidey and those ever-mighty X mutants, The Hulk is marvel's biggest property. Other than this small criticism, I think that was an awesome review.
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I have to admit, Hulk might not have a greatest rogues gallery, but there are those with far worse, for instance Batman with the likes of the Penguin and Egghead. Doc Samson is more of a side-kick than an enemy and the Leader lost his impact years ago. Oh and by the way, there is no doubt that the Hulk is a first tier Marvel character.
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This movie sounds like crap. Crusher Creel is the God-Damned Absorbing man, not Prick Nolte. As for "I'm a movie goer, not a comic reader" Screw you! People like you are killing this genre. Just call it 'My Son, The Monster' and nobody would complain. Ang Lee SUCKS. Read his interviews in Wizard and see what an arogant jerk he is. Or go to www.thenickatoms.com and read his statement about the Hulk. I just want a comic book movie that's actually about the comic book, that's all. It would be an original film if a diretor followed the comic for once in cinema history.
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Watch it please....not everyone's forgiven your pompousness. Sarcasm will get you nowhere.
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...is he a pseudo-mutant in this movie? The gene is there, but it's triggered by gamma radiation?
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would have been a better Bruce Banner. Bana was great in Chopper but was too expressionless in this.
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Maybe it's just the way they timed it, but it sure seems in the last couple of days, since I've heard about the "workprint" in all ares of the media (internet, print media, radio, television), that they've cranked up the marketing. I've seen a lot more commercials, and they all seem to feature a lot more actual Hulk footage. The MTV thing had a lot in it too. (from what I saw, I missed the first half). The animator putting Hulk through calasthenics was classic though, and he had a pair of Hulk hands at his desk! which reminds me, sure seems like those toys hit the stores waaaaaayyyyy before the premiere date. Anyway, I've got my fingers crossed for this one.
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If you are going to criticise, at least do the research first. If you scroll down todays news (for a change theirs been quite a bit!) there is a fantastic piece by Father Geek. Also Harry apologised for not posting, but then made reference to the earlier editorial.
Don't pander to the majority and criticise for the sake of it. NOBHEAD! -
darkhorizons.com has just post 3 additional positive reviews. This is sounding better and better!
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The Dad being the Absorbing Man still doesn't sit well with me, but I'm willing to overlook it. The CGI is starting to grow on me, after seeing so much of it from commericals and trailers. In the sequel, ya gotta get more sci-fi oriented and bring on Da Leader, and have him throw all kinds of robots and crap at Banner in his untimely efforts to destroy and/or harness his Hulk power.
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Excellent review there buddy! am surely gonna watch this one....
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Can he be my special lord? MMMMM
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Jun 13, 2003 2:47:49 PM CDT
Despite all my previous support for this movie I will say this
by ribbons
If the ending showcases a fucking Hulk dog chasing a mailman, I'm gonna lose it. And not in a good way.
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All I care to know is where in the blue hell does he get those purple pants? Also, how do they stay on if he transforms from a six foot guy into a ten foot monster? I don't want to see Li'l Hulk personally
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In the Capcom games, notice how Juggernaut looks bigger, and taller than Hulk by A few feet.
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I love that all of the reviews are really positive. I had faith in Ang Lee's direction (Tiger is wonderful and one of my favorite films). This is looking better and better. My girlfriend still thinks Hulk looks fake but she is going to see it with me on Friday. I wish it was the 20th already! Hulk smash!!!
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Talkbackers who love this lame crap, please let me know how this is ok:
THE HULK IS KILLING F'IN UNITED STATES SERVICEMEN!
How is this acceptable? How is any situation in filmdom o.k. where the average grunt is thrown 3000 yards away in a tank surely to be crushed on impact? I mean, we as the audience "know" that the hulk is good and the government is evil, but freakin come on!
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You would be the first person I have heard that actually brought that up, and for a second I was thinking about how the public would feel about the military being portrayed as the nemesis in these oh so tumultous times, but ya know what? I discovered it's just a friggin' movie.
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To answer both your questions I shall answer as I have been very fortunate to see this excellent film....
First the pants question....hulk apeears 4 times 1st hes smaller and banners pants are ripped (like the tv eps).
2nd time hes a lot bigger and his pants are just staying on then he has the scrap with the hulk dogs and in the scuffle (as well as hulking out!) he loses them completely (its done tastfully!)3rd and 4th time banner is captured and is put into stretchy pants (the ones you see in the trailers)..so now you know!
Now onto the killing of servicemen...the hulk kills no servicemen AT ALL! Except by accident in one brilliant scene which I just cant spoil it for you!!!
Yes you see him swing the tank,yes the men are in it but at the end of the sequence you get a long shot of the men getting out of the busted tank.Hulk tries his best to avoid killing in all the mayhem...sometimes really funnily (shaking a tanks turret like a wallet until the soldiers drop out like loose change) Hulk is like a infant child in the movie...he just wants to be left alone. -
Jun 13, 2003 4:40:11 PM CDT
Agree with other TBers on Hulk's place in comic pantheon. He's
by happyhamster
I tried to write that without sounding like Comic Book Guy, but I think I failed miserably. Worst...subterfuge...evar!
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I guess gamma rays are no match for the power of menthol. hey, wait, did this guy say fuck us? that is downright unmannerly! In a Talk Back yet. Cocksucker.
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"I still can't believe Cringer is really Battle Cat..."
To all ye posting here: Warn us if you're gonna spoil the freakin movie for us, dammit! I didn't need to know anything about Hulk's relatives/Absorbine man/mentholated rubs (lol at that one, btw!) -
Where's my original post gone ? I loved that sucker with all my heart and now its gone!!
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"But if I was a movie-goer going to see Hulk, I don
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Hypothetically, if this movie had no fan base before its release, you guys would go fucking nuts over this thing. Every time a new MARVEL movie was unleashed upon the public, people would retreat back to their computers and make snide remarks about how the film didn't live up to your expectations, citing 'Hulk' as the best "superhero" flick. Seriously, don't sit here and tell me the Hulk was "shit" because there was barely any "protagonist characterization." Because you're anticipating The Movie, you're not enjoying the movie. Does it have flaws? Undoubtedly. Lack of characterization is a fairly blatant one. But you're standards are whacked if you think this film is "gonna suck."
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Thanks ANGELS EGG. It always bothered me in the comics that they never explained how those pants magically changed color and grew.
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The Hulk kills those army guys because they deserve to die. Everyone knows that the U.S. and its armed forces are the enemies. Especially if those baby-killing bastards were in Iraq. Fuck them infadels.
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I folks...just dloaded the Matrix Revolutions Workprint and just to let you know...
Neo's phone call in the Matrix is at THE END of Revolutions!
Notice the facts from Matrix:
The original Matrix starts with Trinity and Cypher talking, the screen shows "Trace Program" and the date "2-18-98".
The movie ends with Neo making a phone call, the trace program is initiated and the date reads "9-18-99"... 19 months have passed!
If you watch the movie again, you'll see that the time sequence implies that they found Neo shortly after that initial conversation (a few months after 2-18-98 at most).
Significant? Yes; Reloaded and Revolutions (which we know occur one after another), take place between 2-18-98 and 9-18-99. Here's why:
Only a few months could have passed from the time Morpheus and the crew 'free' Neo to the time Neo is killed and revived in the hallway. Why? for one, Neo's hair barely grows in that time and that's not a trivial observation (it's also obvious that Neo grew out his hair in Reloaded which occurs roughly 6 months after he's unplugged).
In Reloaded, Neo says that "I wish I knew what I was supposed to do". The phone call scene in the Matrix, Neo is very sure of what he is supposed to do, "I'm going to hang up this phone and show these people what you don't want them to see... a world without you, without controls and boundries". Why would he have forgotten what to do between M1 and M2? he didn't, that last scene in M1 occurs after Revolutions!
Finally, at the end of M1, Neo states that "I can feel you now, you are scared". At the end of Reloaded he says, "Something is different, I can FEEL them now".
There is no MWAM, they don't destroy the Matrix because they can't unplug everyone at once and we see Neo make that very same phone call at the end of Revolutions! -
Jun 14, 2003 2:24:59 AM CDT
Hey people. Just an idea. Just a thought. How about, when you re
by darthridiculous
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Jun 14, 2003 2:26:37 AM CDT
movie and sit down. Thank you. And what's with this f'cked up ta
by darthridiculous
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ok. that's super fly
but why did they have to bring all of those historical figures through time to the present? and why isn't George Carlin in Reloaded?
How did the term paper turn out??!?!
Dammit I need to know!
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Jun 14, 2003 3:36:05 AM CDT
MY GOD DUMB AND DUMBERED WAS THE WORST FUCKEN MOVIE EVER!!!!
by rcamacho2278
WHO ELSE AGREES? I downloaded the movie and regret I did.
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If not, your ignorance makes me laugh
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Jun 14, 2003 5:06:23 PM CDT
Who would win in a fight? The Hulk or the Terminatrix? I think t
by wackybantha
The Matrix Reloaded is good after your initial viewing because your expectations are no longer a problem. You take it for what it is which is pretty good, not a masterpiece, just fun. The same with X2. But I have to say that Daddy Day Care lived up to all my expectations and I LOVED IT!!! Yeah, baby!!! I can't wait for the extended DVD. And if you believe that I have an investment opportunity for you. A great sequel called PLUTO NASH 2!!!!!
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the stupidest thing about this movie was splitting the screen into 3-5 sections so diffrent shit is going on in diffrent parts of the screen. it was just annoying as hell.
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i'm wondering if the hulk gets sexually aroused & shoots his load, would the velocity of that huge stream of hulk cum be great enough to bust a helicopter or a APC??? just wondering......
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I've seen the testprint, and I'm not bitching about anything in the film other than this Aussie who is playing the lead. This guy is TERRIBLE, I mean really, really bad guys. I can't believe I'm the only one who sees this. He's not Hayden Christensen bad, but BAD nonetheless. The rest of the film was pretty entertaining. Ang Lee and his camerman and editor, really give the film a unique visual look. Plus, you can't go wrong when you have a psychotic french poodle in a film. I think it was Kubrick who said that...lol
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I just bought a copy of the hulk last nite from my local blackbeard pirate videos in not so sunny belfast ireland(up the tiocs!!!!), and I have 2 say that i thought it was very good, some parts not so good (bit with the killer dogs was somewhat surreal even 4 a comic book film)but overall excellent.I like what ang lee's done with the hulk and the carnage scenes at the end were excellent even though i watched the unfinished version, which needed some touching up in terms of CG.Simply put i enjoyed it more than spiderman, thought it was a more mature film and the hulk most definitely pisses all over daredevil. I look forward 2 seeing the finished version in the cinema and will gladly hand over my hard earned cash to watch it again.
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An open letter to anyone who has seen the actual theactrical release of Hulk...during the scene in which Banner says "You're makin' me angry" for he first time, I'm holding fast to my "it's just gotta be true" theory that the effects in the workprint version I saw were...shall we say, incomplete. I saw Crouching Tiger, and I just can't believe Ang Lee would say to his DOP, "Just rock the camera back and forth against that wall over there...we'll throw in Bana later."
Other than that, I think all you guys bashing the CGI are just impossible to please. Someone at one point suggested that "ILM should be sued" for doing such a bad job. Well, I have 2 answers to that: The first, if I may paraphrase Bart Simpson here, "WHat are you talking about? They've given you countless hours of entertainment for next to nothing; if anything, YOU owe THEM", and the second, what have you done in your life that's so monumental that you can criticize someone else for realizinf a vision differently that you would have? Besides, take another look at Hulkie...the work on the creature really is amazing. That scene where Nolte puts his hand on his son's face, or when Hulk lifts Betty on top of her car (to save her from Cujle the Poodle)...I was completely convinced he was a living, breathing thing.
I guess the only criticism I would share is that Banner's inciting incident was so drawn out that I didn't really feel the pressure he was under, and maybe, and this is gonna sound stupid, his going apesh!t and becoming the hulk was him overreacting a little bit. It's not like he was backed into a corner and had to fend for his life; he was having a little trouble at work. (I wish my biggest problem at work was some dude trying to pay me 10 times my salary to get my job done faster, but I guess we all look at things in different ways.)
At any rate, I've seen the workprint and was impressed; now I can't wait to get in line and see it at the Theatre. Now that I know what I'm in store for, my cash won't be wasted. -
the split screen, i find it cool, you cant get the exceptional sound effect with the wp, for all guy thinks the CG s****, think again
i think it made a better sequel, the ending is kind of funny, i going to understand it with the global screening
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Jun 16, 2003 8:32:17 AM CDT
Saw Hulk last night, and it was by far the worst movie I've seen
by minderbinder
And I'm not even complaining about the FX...it's just incredibly boring, dialogue is lame, Bana has no screen presence. The whole bit with his dad getting super powers is ridiculous, in fact much of this movie is absolutely laughable, large portions of it simply make no sense. People will be laughing at this thing and walking out on Friday, it will be the bomb of the summer.
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Genro quoted Arad: "But if I was a movie-goer going to see Hulk, I don
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