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The Love Machine takes in T3: RISE OF THE MACHINES!
Hey folks, Harry here... Here's the first review from the first screening of T3 outside of Executive Screenings. Prior to this review from sources I've had around the project, I've heard the film was a "B+" with the first two films being in the "A to A+" range. Meaning, the film is good, sometimes really cool, but ultimately not quite at the previous standards set by Cameron. This review, while positive reflects that. The mere mention that the character development is secondary to the action here is a direct reason why Cameron's films will be superior. Cameron perfectly orchestrates the previous two TERMINATOR films to center on the characters and to test that character in the flames of action. Seems it isn't quite the same this time. BUT it sounds like it could be a fun film. Here ya go...
Harry,
I just snuck out of a T3 screening. This movie was great, but yes, there were some problems. I will not spoil this movie for anyone because it can be spoiled rather easily. The movie starts with the voice of John Connor stating pretty much the same bullshit that Sarah Connor started T2 with. But John's paranoid now. He stays away from society and from computers. Which is a twist in itself because you would think he would be some computer hacker trying to hack into skynet machines.
The story line does suffer under the truly heavy predecessor T2 and the writers managed to squeeze out some plot juices. I imagine the writers sitting in a room looking along the entire Terminator time line to find a spot to fuck with. Yeah they found a weak one. It does lend itself to some space time continuum bullshit that you'd see in a Star Trek episode (A Next Generation one, so it's not all bad).
T3 moves fast and furious. You jump right in and you don't stop until you know it's safe to, or is it? The relationships suffer because of the fast pace. Development is secondary but someone you will take notice of is Nick Stahl. Nick is incredibly remarkable as John Connor. He steals this movie in my opinion. Arnold wisely takes a back seat to him and the TX. The TX is HOT. She's a total babe. I think even Harry would do her. You get to see a nice ass shot and a quick shot of her left titty! Sorry, that's all the spoilers you get!
One thing I hated about this movie was it's run time. It's way too short. I can't believe this movie was made with a sub 2 hour run time. What the hell were they thinking? This movie should have been 2 1/2 hours+. I guess we'll have to wait for the Extreme T3 DVD to come out!
All in all, Arnold is back and he definitely wants to make a T4! He didn't say anything to me, but it's so wide open for it, and I for one, definitely want to see a T4 get made.
The effects are incredible. That part you will not be disappointed with. Stan and ILM outdid themselves here. Those effects are worth the price of admission alone.
The director was on hand. He actually asked us not to spoil the surprises for anyone, and I definitely agree with him. You poor saps have to wait to see this one, but rest assured, I will be in line with you guys!
If you use this, call me The Love Machine.
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Jun 13, 2003 3:10:57 AM CDT
At least it's not a disaster...can't wait 'til they show it on H
by son of lucas
Sounds like it'll be a basic summer movie. At this point I'm pretty cool with that. I do find it kind've funny when people complain about screwing with the space-time continuum considering the second movie ended with a pretty obvious paradox (without the war John's father never goes back through time to father him).
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but it's very good bullshit.
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I wasn't too excited about this, and still not sure, But I will certainly d/l it, eh Mori?
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I agree that 2+ plus hours is best for epic films, or supposedly epic films, but T3 is actually 1 minute longer than T1.
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cuz T2 drags in the third act. did we need to be beat over the head with the obligatory liquid metal effect 100 times in row? first one was tight. And "why do humans cry?" is the worst question ever asked in the history of cinema. That was the jump the shark moment for me because the Term lost all the street credibility and became a latte sippin', sweater wearing, sissy.
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Anyone who pays money to see this remake of T2 should be bitch slapped!
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...just to satisfy my curiosity about how they filled the plot holes and to see just how screwed up a movie franchise can get. Its kind the same rationale for seeing Episode III.
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Jun 13, 2003 4:17:56 AM CDT
I bet if it had vampires and werewolves in it it would be in the
by enricopallazzo
And whoever plays John Conner is the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet
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Jun 13, 2003 5:20:52 AM CDT
I'm not one of those mouth-breathing fucks that talks during mov
by cash bailey
But during the trailer for T3, after the reveal of the chick walking around nekkid, I turned to my buddy and said: "So a Arnie's fighting Shakira in this one?" Quite a few people heard me and laughed. It was just one of those cases of someone actually saying what everyone else was thinking. This movie will eat balls and everyone in that theatre knew it.
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Agreed, Enigma a Terminator movie needs to be over 2 hours. As for it being a minute longer than T1: I just looked up T1 on IMDB and it had a running time of 108 min. The rt of T3 was not listed yet (at least not that I could find) but assuming that bluelou_boyle is right, 1 hour and 50 min is a respectable time for the movie. Before this, I was not allowing me to get myself excited about this movie, I had too many doubts. But it is starting to sound like we will have a good fun R rated action movie this summer. I for one, am going to walk into the theater and give T3 every chance I can give it to blow me away; I just hope Mostow does not dissappoint me!
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Somebody got it wrong, and my money is not on imdb.
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This doesn't sound genuine to me, I mean where's the plot points? Not one! As for all this shit about respecting the directors wishes not to spoil it: this guy's either a plant or a Terminator fan who hasn't seen the movie standing up for the franchise he knows will be ruined once this turkey hits the screen. Sort of a pre-emptive strike.
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First things first: It's ok to talk during the trailers, as long as you're funny. Once the feature starts, however, unless you're screaming or cheering, shut the hell up. Second things second: in a recent interview, Arnold said that he feels about making movies the way he felt about bodybuilding toward the end: he did it, it was his job, but it didn't excite him like it used to. Stand by. This guy's running for governor and, if I were still a California citizen, I'd vote for him.
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Jun 13, 2003 6:59:10 AM CDT
The Spoiler is That The Real robot menace is MR. America
by rcamacho2278
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We learn that we see the woman robots boobie for a mili-second, well whoppee-doo !
This site has disappeared so far behind CHUD and ComingSoon that its almost embarassing...WHERE'S THE FUCKING NEWS gone !!!??? -
T2 is an incredibly overrated film and The Terminator is VASTLY superior. Perhaps the main reason is the pacing. T2 suffers largely in the mid section. The Terminator has a fast, frenetic pace that never lets up. Hopefully T3 will return back to this and keep away from the bloated T2.
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I tell you how I know this. C2 whilst promoting the movie @ Cannes said there would be no advance screenings. Nothing in this review suggests that it is genuine. The runtime of 1hr48m53s was confirmed earlier this week on the offical T3 site.
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.......IT'S better than T1, not as good as T2, on par with T3 and a whole lot better than Terror in Tiny Town.......It's got Nipsy Russel as the T2,000,000......He says those cool rymes right before he busts electronic caps in arnies ass! It also co stars sherman Helmsley, vivian vance (cgi) and Andy Dick as Hemingway!! (The T 2,000,000 is after Hemingway now...trying to stop him from writing a book about robots in the future....so they go to the past and....well..I won't spoil it you ..........Fuck you downloaders!!!! Why? Cause my computer is too slow and stupid, or I'd be doing it too........pppphhhhhtttttt!!
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What the hell are you lot talking about? "TERMINATOR FILMS SHOULD BE TWO HOURS LONG". Er, I guess I missed that in the Magna Carta. There's no such thing as long film ; just a film with bad pacing. If a film can keep up it's momentum for the duration, than it could last for 4 hours and it wouldn't matter If the pace is slack then it's gonna grate after about twenty minutes.
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... than publicity for Arnuhldt's Karl Rove-rigged run for Governor of California. Never mind thatDavis was overwhelmingly re-elected just a year ago, if the Nazi-blican's don't like an election result, they just rigg the votes or start some bogus "recall" campaign.
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And thank god for that! Fuck those Jew-hating towel-heads. Every last one of those misersable violent hateful svages must be exterminated. they deserve it. Kill them all. Let The Trifler sort them out.
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Why don't you go find some lefty hemp-powered website to spout your pussy opinions on. We're here to talk T3, you stupid dope-smoking moronic faggot? Fuck the arabs. They brought this shit on themselves. And if we do rule the world, it will be a better place for it. First Iraq. Next, Iran. Then we're coming for you, euro-trash.
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Jun 13, 2003 8:58:26 AM CDT
I like to pretend "Terminator", "Tron", "The Matrix", and "Short
by rev_skarekroe
It's fun! sk
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I thought this was a site for information about upcoming films, tv shows and various other media. Even though some of it is dubious at times. If this is the case why do people constantly prattle on forever about political and socio-economical issues facing the world today? There are places for these topics as well. Go there. Please. You are entitled to your opinions, God knows that, but don't you think that in the right forum they would be more effective? Just a thought. Another thought occurs, maybe you like voicing your opinions knowing full well that they are infammatory expecting everyone to say what a leftist, tree hugging, hippy fuckwad you are just so you can have some attention drawn to yourself. If so that's pretty sad.
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Oh fuck it, that catch phrase is so last week anyway. The movie sounds fun, but not the knock out T2 was. Big surprise there. At least it's not an Alien3 betrayal of the fans. Maybe Cameron will be motivated to take over the inevitable T4 now? It's not a Terminator movie without that omni blue lighting he likes so much.
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They destroyed everything in the second one. Hell, the movie's original ending said Skynet never happened.
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Jun 13, 2003 9:14:05 AM CDT
Ya know what, Obscure Reference has taught me the error of my wa
by the trifler
By taking the noble and cutting-edge mean of posting a p[olitical rant on a Movie message board he has caused me to re-think my positions. My god, it worked!! All the Fett/Towelie posts from last winter/spring didn't work, but now this one did. You guys have finally worn me down, and I expect many more of us republican/conservatives to follow suit. That's how ground-breaking and persuasive your post was, O.R. Now, I'm gonna go smoke some dope, put on a Phish bootleg, eat a granola bar, donate $ to PETA, sell my TV, and not take a bath for 2 weeks after making sweet love to Mother Earth.
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The thought that the two would ever mix in a talkback causes me endless shudders of revulsion. Yes the NEOcons want to rule the world. Actually they ALREADY rule the world but now they are willing to put a more public face on it to make it more palatable to the lemmings who live in America. Paul Wolfowitz (whom I shall deem to be DR EVIL) has laid out the agenda in full. Rumsfeld and Cheney will impliment it with the full support of the Armed Forces of the United States and the technical support of Haliburton and Bechtel. George Bush is just a mouthpiece. Meanwhile, the administration is slowly but surely eroding your civil liberties (big brother Ashcroft is watching and reading this talkback) Karl Rove and his congressional posse are bleeding the federal budget dry so that you will not even be able to get basic services from YOUR govt. In return, they will give you $800.00 (If you have 2 kids) enjoy your bribe.
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Jun 13, 2003 9:20:21 AM CDT
Lest anyone sleep on this director! he will kick yo in the balls
by the jackbull
Mostow is a really good director. If anyone has seen "breakdown" with Kurt Rusell, they'll know what I'm talking about. NUFF' SAID.
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T2 is imo the worst sequel of all time. Not the worst film that happens to be a sequel, but the sequel that pisses over the memory of its predecessor most blatantly. The Terminator is a beautifully-crafted story set in a narrative universe that is DETERMINISTIC and only ever has a SINGLE TIMELINE. The whole point of The Terminator is that it is impossible to change history; any attempt to do so turns out to have been a vital part of the single version of history that was always there, with all the bittersweet irony that goes with it. Why does nobody care that T2 changes the rules so blatantly, switching to a branching timeline model? Are they too dumb to notice, or do they not care so long as enough cars get blown up? T2 is a cynical, dumb Arnie movie, and it isn't even exciting imo: the whole second half of the movie is either plodding exposition or mechanical and uninventive chase sequences. I doubt T3 will be much cop, but after T2 it doesn't really matter that much; there is no beauty left in this narrative universe to despoil.
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If you're tired of beanpoles and werewolves how about this...
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I don't know if anyone noticed it, but T2 was an overrated bloated Jim Cameron egofest. It had some good moments, sure, but it was overlong and filled with incredibly fake and unintentionally funny dialogue and behavior. Do anyone think that "Hasta la Vista, Baby" is really clever? Who can watch the final "thumbs up into the molten metal" scene with anything but embarrassed laughter? I bet dollars to doughnuts that T3 will actually be a tighter movie than T2. T1 rocked the house, though
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From what I've seen, this looks like it'll be a pretty decent summer flick. If it was an original film, most people would probably like it, but since it's a sequel to a geek-honored classic series, it has no chance of being loved on the AICN talkBacks. I still think the first Terminator is the best, mainly because Arnie is the villian, Linda Hamilton gets Nekkid, and it just has a desperate feel to it throughout. (Oh, and Rick Rossovich gets his Ass kicked!). The second film was great too, and the technology had advanced to where we got some really cool effects. I just didn't dig the whole "big hunk of liquid metal" thing as much as Arnie's robotic killing machine. The whole thing about wrapping the machine in flesh to get it through the portal in the first film seemed to be cheapened by the new Terminator model. And Furlong got on my nerves too. I just couldn't see him becoming a heroic leader someday. And the T2 version of Linda Hamilton could kick the crap out of any tomboy beanpole on the planet!......................So, wghat do I expect from T3? First off, no Linda Hamilton, so that's a big letdown. Kristinna Loken is hot enough, but I get a chuckle thinking how I've seen the Terminatrix on "Boy Meets World". I like how from the trailers, she sems to be more mechanical, but still has some morphing abilities. I always hoped if they ever made another Terminator film, it'd be all about the war with the machines, and we'd see John Connor lead humanity to victory, but I guess it's the wanting that keeps us coming back. Like wanting to see the Clone Wars actually fought, or get to see the Battle for Zion..................................Anyway, I just hope we get a lot of news footage of thepremiere party for this flick with lots of shots of Arnie arriving in his Hummer, specially modified to run on Baby Arab blood...........
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I'm pretty sure Obscure Reference sounds a bit to paranoid to convince anyone. But look on the bright site. If his theories proofs to be correct, at least you and other neocons can't claim: "Ich habe es nicht gewusst" so we can hang your asses in The Hague if worse comes to worse, after a fair trail of course.
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SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY! Let me explain something to you, I'm assuming you're from England, right? Or even worse, Germany or France? Well let me break it down for you, America DOES rule the world. YOU people in Europe gave us that responsibility when you expected us to protect your pasty asses from the USSR. So if the USA decides it needs to lay the smackdown on some third world toilet, then the only thing you need to say about it is, "thank you." Because ultimatly, the US taking out crazy dictators that support and finance terrorisim will also benefit YOU. So instead of worrying about us taking down Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Korea or whatever other shithole threatens our security, you should be paying attention to your own Muslim immigration problem. You did hear that report from the leader of the biggest mosk in London, I don't know the name, but the guy said their goal was to take over Parliament and impose ISLAMIC LAW within 20 years. IN ENGLAND. So we can assume they have the same plan for the rest of Europe. So unless you're ready to hit your knees five times a day and pray to Allah, just shut the hell up, go outside and hug a tree and leave the world to the grown ups.__Oh, and Arnold will probably be the next REPUBLICAN govenor of California. He'll announce after the press junket for T3 if he's going to run in the recall election or not.
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I got banned for my criticism. So much for "Let freedom ring" eh? Anyway, I learned several months ago of a central twist to this story that let me know that this film is made by Terminator fans, for Terminator fans. It totally changed my mind about this project. It ends right as the machines are taking over, setting the stage for the future war in T4.
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I thought I was the only one who did that.
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We'll see if the US gets involved in any non-oil producing 'dictatorships'. N. Korea has proven and admitted WMD and I don't see the US threatening to invade there...
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...is it rated yet?
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Jun 13, 2003 11:07:44 AM CDT
Kassar & Vajna: Offer Stallone 30 million for Rambo 4 and get th
by abking
TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES is gonna KICK our ASS the way all you people wanted RELOADED to!!! The movie moves "fast and furious" and is not drawn out. After T3 is a huge success for C2 Productions, Kassar and Vajna should buy the rights back to RAMBO and give Sly 30 million ala Arnold to return to one of his signature roles!!!
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Obscure Reference: You're right, y'know, but that's old news. Anyone who doesn't know about Wolfowitz, Perle, Rumsfeld, Kristol and the strings their think tanks (AEI and PNAC) are pulling on our coke-addled Crusader Rabbit of a prez by now has been sleeping through the Iraq War. Wolfowitz himself has said that WMDs were only picked as a justification for the war because it was the only one everyone in the administration could get behind (read: Powell would have freaked if they'd invaded Iraq outright). --------- This war was all about sending a message to our enemies, our allies, and our rivals, and that message was: "We're in charge." No more of the Clintonian notion of America as the leader of a world community. Welcome to the neocon dream of the world as an American imperium. "Well," you say, "isn't that good for Americans, and tough shit for the rest of the world? USA! USA!" No, actually, it's not. When there's only one superpower in the world, the rest of the world has two alternatives: align behind the superpower, or unite against it. Clinton was trying to make it as attractive as possible to align behind the US, to soften America's image in the world community. Bush, up until his recent jaunt to the mideast (the ramifications of which have yet to be seen), has been doing his best to alienate the world. What happened in the security council was the rest of the world's powers lining up against an increasingly aggressive US. --------------- Every empire thinks it's going to last forever, and every empire is wrong. If America is going to stay relevant in the world, it cannot make this blustering bid for power, because it simply won't survive as a power. The falling dollar leaves us vulnerable to what amounts to economic warfare, the prospect of a united Europe and a rising China - SARS notwishstanding - show the neocon push for what it is... a desperate bid to cling to an era of total American power which is doomed to fail, and disastrously. ************* WHY is this discussion taking place in a review of T3? Shit.
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Jun 13, 2003 12:28:30 PM CDT
thanks CeriStagg! I thought I was the only guy on earth that HA
by akbarius
But thankfully I was wrong. Meaningless, boring car chases, laughable dialogue ("Now I know why humans cry, but I could never do it."), plot holes, leaps of logic, dorky-looking bad-guy, etc, etc, etc. It might not be the worst film ever made, but for me, it's more painful than watching Ishtar. I, for one, will never waste another dime or another moment of my precious life on a terminator film, no matter how uber-sexy the terminatrix happens to be. -
BULLSHIT!There`s nothing there we don`t know already!I can`t believe Harry if posted this shite!
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Not as good as the Cameron masterpiece but still a decent summer actioner ala Die Hard II. I'm cool with that; it's about what I was expecting anyway. The Oak gets my $8.50 come July. Toppu o Nerae!
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Jun 13, 2003 2:16:51 PM CDT
To quote George Carlin: I want to see shit blowin' up and bodies
by thedarklinglord
T3 probably won't be much of a story movie. In fact, if there's any real plot or character development I'd be amazed. It will, however, be a huge action movie. Just look at the trailers. The movie is going to be about nothing but chase scenes, fight scenes, bullets flying, shit blowin' up and bodies flying around. And, really, what's wrong with that? It's Terminator, for Christ's sake. If I want something with depth, I'll read a book.
As for James Cameron... Jimboy hasn't been involved in anything worthwhile since Aliens. There, I said it. You're all thinking it and we all know it's true. Since Titanic he considers himself too good to touch anything that won't win him a dozen Oscars. Putz. -
Sorry for the divergence, but I couldn't help notice while watching the T3 trailer the striking similarity between the young male lead (name escapes me)and Alexander Siddig (Dr. Bashir, ST DS9), anyone else notice? They could be twins!!(P.S. I haven't read this talkback yet, so someone else MAY have mentioned this!!!)
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Jun 13, 2003 2:42:43 PM CDT
Since when are liberals all hippies? That's like saying conserva
by mr. waturi
I am all for reading open political debate anywhere at anytime. Just dispense with the childish name-calling. It undermines you credibility and achieves nothing. Like it or not, both liberals and conservatives have some valid points. But having to sift through all your divisive bullshit gives me a headache. That's all I have to say for now. Thank you. ...Oh, and T2 was way overrated.
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Jun 13, 2003 2:59:51 PM CDT
Anyone who pays to see this joke of a film should get "the sexie
by the smiths
Don't waste your money on this garbage. My friend, who is a Terminator fanatic, saw a test screening and said it sucked big time. He was so pissed that I thought he was gonna cry like a bitch. Like I had told him two years ago: No James Cameron=no "true" sequel=T3 Sucks=If you pay ten bucks to see it, you're nuts=WAIT FOR CABLE OR AT LEAST DVD!!!
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Just fuck right off. "Too short", "incredible effects", "too fast paced for character development", "TX is hot" "Wide open for T4" etc etc. Call me cynical, I suspect this viewer is not entirely removed from the publicity machine of this film. That means you can fuck right off Plantboy.
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Ever since the first film, I've wanted a movie that was set in the apocalyptic future where Alloy Terminator units were crushing skulls, Hunter-Killers were flying around and Rebellion guys were buzzing around in dune buggies, shooting lasers and shoulder-launched missles at them. Much like that classic Terminator videogame. When is this going to happen. When I heard T3 was coming out, that's what I was hoping it would be. What a fascinating plot it would be if ,taa-daa!, all the time travel and attempts to change everything NEVER WORKED!!! The future is inevitable and the past CANNOT be changed. Time/Nature finds a way. Anyways, maybe there'll be more of the future in T3, but I doubt it. Plus, it looks very much like T2. Semi chases (in every movie so far), evil Terminators flying and crashing in helicopters, the overused liquid metal effects, motorcycles, Arnold in his snappy biker gear. It all feels the same. Do something original. Also, for T4, what can you do? The whole premise of Terminator is that the characters go back in time to change things. They're going to start catching up to the original start time pretty soon. That is all. End of line.
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Jun 13, 2003 3:57:27 PM CDT
Hey kids, it's time for the laughable Cameron dialogue game!
by christopher3
I'll start: "Now I know why you cry. Bud id izz zomething I kannevah doooo." Go!
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The terminator is a fucking great film but T2 was a load of shit. From the moment that whiny conner kid ordered arnold to not kill anyone and from then on he doesn't sucked. when he shot up all those cops and surveys the seen and they are all just 'injured'. fuck that. and when he is being lowered into all that molten steel at the end and gives a thumbs up?? terrible.
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OK, when i first heard the news that another sequel was in production for Terminator 3 i was needless to say, intrgued. The first two are classics, and it'll be cool to see how T3 matches up with today's technology and high priced flicks. When i heard the news that James Cameron would not be behind the camera, needless to say my excitment and expectations where vanquished as soon as i had finished reading the sentence. But then i gave it another chance when i viewed the first teaser trailer and watched the neatest, and from the looks of it, the only really cool stunt. The TX chick jumping off a hill onto the hood the a car. Once i saw that my interest was again resurectted into thinking "hey it might not be that bad". But now i see the full trailer and have only mix thoughts of it. The trailer in my opinion reveals the movie has some hit and misses.
First hit- The begining of the trailer shows "Ahnuld" back again as the terminator and then cuts to the future cyborgs parading in an ashed field with machine guns. -Very cool. The stuff that we like about terminator. The effects look awesome.
First miss-The shot of Nick Stahl (the new actor as John Conner) standing on a ship of some sort, in a sort of war hero stance. -The scene is cool but this Nick guy's expression and look just dosen't fit a gritty war hero. It dosen't look authentic plain and simple.
Second hit- The global shot of a missle hitting a city and the explosion.-Again another really cool F/X scene
Second miss- The wide computer meltdown in the Pentegon. -This one isn't really bad as it is just me being picky. For some reason again it doesn't come off like a real system meltdown in a pentagon. But then again its just a trailer.
Third hit- The intro the new TX villain. -This is cool because i wasn't sure what to expect when they decided to make the villain cyborg a girl. But judging from the tralier and when she throws somebody out of their car, it looks like she's gonna be pretty cool. She got the right voice and look too.
Third miss- When Arnold yells "Get away now."- Ok. I don't know if its because Cameron is out, but why is Arnold showing emotion? He's a cyborg. Not human. So why is he showing concern and hurt? He didn't do this in the two films previous, so why now? Doing this just takes away the believability in this film.
Fourth hit- When the TX (facing the opposite direction) wraps her legs around "Ahnuld" in the hand to hand combat between the two. -This is the only other real eye popping f/x shot that makes me wanna see this flick.
Fourth miss- The whole Terminator being reprogrammed scenario sounds like the writers where really working hard for a plot. -Although i had hoped for a new TX movie to come out, i knew the story would be hard to sell because there could only be so much chasing and shooting without having a point. And plus filling in the holes of how Skynet still exists after part 2 was going to be a tricky.
And the final miss-Arnold showing emotion!! He is not human and yet, with the little acting chops Arnold has, he's portraying the cyborg with obvious care and emotion.
Bottom line: i'm still gonna see this flick, but i'm not expecting much.
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Later admits he is a virgin and the farthest thing from a love machine. Are there any grown-ups left on this site? No? Good - tits, tits, tits, tits.....
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I honestly feel sorry for all of you who can't sit down and enjoying a fun movie. Half of you saying T2 sucked because it didn't follow the first one to a tee. Who freaking cares? Its a damn movie. Movies like T2 or T3 are meant to be fun. To make us wow. Not for us to sit and try and see the hidden meaning of life like all of you think a movies is about. Like all of you who think making another Die Hard or Leathal Weapon would be wrong. I think different. WHy not make one more. I love the characters. I want to see more of danny and mel together. I wouldn't mind one bit for john mclane to get into another off the wall situation. People get a life and go into a movie wanting to have fun. Don't sit there and try and pick a movie apart. If you do 99% of movie will always suck to you.
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I want my Terminator Vs. Aliens Vs. Predator Vs. Robocop movie now! Wasn't their a Dark Horse Comic that had two or three of the above scenario's?
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I want my Terminator Vs. Aliens Vs. Predator Vs. Robocop movie now! Wasn't their a Dark Horse Comic that had two or three of the above scenario's?
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I want my Terminator Vs. Aliens Vs. Predator Vs. Robocop movie now! Wasn't their a Dark Horse Comic that had two or three of the above scenario's?
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......DID show emotion in T-2!Surely you remember him being reprogrammed?Surely you remember the classic"Go...NOW!"line from the 2nd full trailer??
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Jun 13, 2003 7:43:48 PM CDT
The Terminator Series and Why T3 (and Most Summer Movies) Will S
by jstark1955
Hello...
I've read a lot of the comments people have written. Originally, the idea of a female Terminator sounded good to me, but casting some generic model and dressing her in some weird disco/club girl outfit is probably going to ruin it, not to mention the model's utterly predictable name...when is the letter "X" going to stop signifying all things cool, up-to-date, or "edgy" (another word that needs to go). Personally, I think the film will suck...mostly because Cameron is not involved. I think Cameron had more ambition than to just make another action franchise tentpole series and I think the new film is being treated no different than another "Lethal Weapon" film (and am I the only one who found "Lethal Weapon 4" to be sickeningly bad and racist?). I mean, come on...a chase scene with a hearse?
The original Terminator was a great film that unfortunately shows some age today. The bad '80s synth score, some of the makeup effects (why does Arnold lose his eyebrows later in the film?), and Sarah's Walkman-obsessed roommate (why did every '80s movie insist on having some character who was always DANCING?) detract somewhat from a great and thoughtful film that functions for me better as a thriller than a kickass action movie. Even the action sequences are a bit cheesy...the undercranking is pretty obvious (although, to be fair, the Terminal Island freeway chase in "T2" suffers from the same thing).
It's hard for me to not consider "The Terminator" to be upstaged by its megabudget sibling, "Terminator 2". The effects are better, the performances are better, and the action sequences are more adeptly-staged. Although it's hard to call the T-1000 a character (he IS a robot), Robert Patrick made him fascinating to watch and I loved the idea of a small, unassuming guy being able to hold his own against the likes of Schwarzenegger, especially since it goes hand-in-hand with the concept of the Terminator as an infiltrator who attracts little attention. However, the film IS preachy at times (particularly Sarah's voiceovers), the passages with Edward Furlong get a bit annoying at times (although I still like the idea of "a boy and his Terminator") and, in retrospect, all that "Hasta la vista, baby" shtick sounds stupid today.
"I'll be back" became Schwarzenegger's signature line after "The Terminator". In the original film, it's meant to be a line of comic understatement (similar to the T-1000's "Say...that's a nice bike" comment in "T2") and not a cheesy catchphrase. However, this gave birth to the "kiss-off line"...a brief, quotable, usually profane line of dialogue meant to sound both humorous and tough. Probably the most infamous example of such is "Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker", from "Die Hard", which I always found stupid since there's no cleverness to it...it's simply a fancy way of saying "fuck you". Schwarzenegger himself has become so infamous for such groaners that I still like to use such horrid one-liners as "You're luggage!" or "Because I'm going to say...pleeease!" (from "Eraser" and "The Running Man", respectively) to get a cheap laugh.
The reason why this movie is going to suck is because the studio knows that its core audience are raving fanboys who follow certain movie sagas unquestionably ("Star Wars"?) and that they don't really have to make a great film to get that all-important opening weekend gross. Although most fanboys like to think of themselves as intellectuals, it seems to me (and the studios) that they want the same things that their more loutish counterparts demand: action and tits. On one hand, we decry the industry for making continuous bad movies cobbled together out of previously successful films, but when they do this, we go to see them and say "Oh, what the hell...it's only a movie...and although 'Attack of the Clones' may suck, at least I got to see Yoda with a lightsaber!" This sort of novelty-seeking behavior is what is killing our industry. Look at the news...every fucking TV show or movie from the '70s and '80s has or will be remade. Try watching one of these so-called "awesome" shows from the 1980s without the nostalgia factor and you'll realize that "The A-Team" and "Knight Rider" suck unless you are eight years old or are on weed, and that the last thing any of us need is some stupid cheesy movie about "The Transformers" that is only there to sell a new line of toys or cash into our own nostalgia over shit we liked when we were little. I may rent the new DVD of "SuperFriends" because I loved it when I was six, get high, and take a little time travel trip and maybe laugh, but I certainly don't want some $100 million+ movie made with state-of-the-art special effects. I think it's time that we grew up a little and started demanding more from films beside explosions and tits (and can we PLEASE stop calling them "boobies" as if we were five?). I'm not saying that we need to start flocking to the films of Mike Leigh instead of James Cameron, but I think that we need to demand that even our kickass action/superhero films have some dramatic weight to them. Do we love and anticipate "The Hulk" because he's a big green monster or because we ourselves wonder what it's like to deal with uncontrollabe rage? Was "Spider-Man" a good film because it's about a superhero that can swing from building to building or is it because it makes us wonder if we ourselves have the maturity to use augmented powers to help mankind rather than to just get rich or famous? This is what makes sci-fi/fantasy/superhero films engaging...because it makes us use our own imagination and apply our own personal feelings to such extravagant situations as receiving special powers or even to contemplate our own human futures...will they be utopic or dystopic, and what will make them that way? Aren't these the things that make us fans, that make us enthusiastic, that make us camp out at Hollywood and Orange for the first show, first day of some film that we've been talking about for months or even years?
The future of film is in the hands of the audience, and each week proves that we, the geeks, control what is and isn't shown on screens all over the world. We should be rewarding those films that choose to try harder, to strive for human depth, and shun those that insist on being nothing more than a cheap carnival ride.
Anyway, those are my thoughts for the moment. -
Jun 13, 2003 8:40:23 PM CDT
the terminator lost his eyebrows because of that fire he ran thr
by cockknocker
And some people happen to like the occasionally cheesy one liner. I love french cinema, but sometimes you just need to watch commando or army of darkness. Honestly, slag off T1 or T2 as much as you like but they're both 1000 times better than the clag that gets shown in cinemas at the moment. Too fast too furious, purlease. And dont be so presumptious as to declare T3 shit when hardly a soul has seen the movie yet. Jonathon Mostow is a fair director. It might actually be good. Of course it wont live up to the previous two, but at least Mostow is putting some effort into something that mario kassar and and andy vagina did for the money. How can those bastards have another company after they flushed so much money down the toilet making cutthroat island.
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The "it's only a movie, can't you just enjoy it?" line seems very appealing. However, it is bullshit. It's the thinking of a lazy mind. If our narrative universes don't have laws, then what is the point? Would you be happy if in a Batman film Bruce Wayne suddenly had the ability to turn invisible, and defeated his enemies using this power? If not, why not? It's only a movie, right? In fact, why require any logical consequences for any actions? Let's have people fall 300 metres from a skyscraper and suffer a few cuts and bruises without any explanation. It's only a movie, right? C'mon, loosen up! Let's go further, and have sequels that are not required to stay true to any spirit of the original story. Let's have Citizen Kane 2, in which Kane is reanimated and becomes a cyborg vigilante who destroys rival newspaper organisations. Why not? It'd be fun, and hey, it's only a movie!
No. Fuck that. If cinema is to be a worthwhile artform we can't excuse people's intellectual laziness because of some tacit notion that movies have no standards to maintain. Or perhaps you genuinely think they don't? Are all high-budget commercial movies of necessity puerile trash in which anything goes? Maybe for you, but not for me. It *is* possible to create quality blockbuster movies. The problem is that with people like you around, the studios no longer feel that they need to try. -
Jun 14, 2003 9:48:06 AM CDT
The 3 New T-3 Reviews at AICN are definitely real... and this mo
by porsche
Yep... it was only a matter of time before T-3 reviews started coming in. And here they come... all POSITIVE. Damn straight. Me and my buddies will be there come the July long weekend. Count on it.
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Either you re 12 years old or you re a stupid redneck who knows next to nothing about world politics . Of course America rules the world you f*** moron , but , raaah , your comments are wrong on so many levels I wont even start .
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"T2 fucked up everything that was established in T1. Not the 1st time Cameron did this though. Cameron did it with Aliens as well. Alien is an indestructible being (as it can clearly be seen in the original)...and they could simply be killed with shot guns in Aliens?" Uh, no. In "Alien" they were aboard a ship and discovered that the creature bled molecular acid that would EAT THROUGH THE HULL AND VENT ALL THEIR ATMOSPHERE TO SPACE, KILLING THEM ALL, so they couldn't shoot it. In "Aliens" they were on the ground, and didn't care if the acid ate all the way to the planet's core. Nothing changed except the rules of engagement, which were dictated by the setting.
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