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Father Geek here with Robert Bernocchi our editor in Rome, Italy with the latest edition of our Euro-AICN column. There's lots of coolness below soooooooo dig in... and enjoy...
Hi people.
I have great news about the latest projects by the Italian Tolkien Society...
I have great news about the latest projects by the Italian Tolkien Society...
First, the trip to New Zealand that the ITS is organising and that will see
an 18 days tour of that wonderful country. We received a lot of requests not
only from italian fans, but from european ones too. Even if the departure is
from Rome, our travel agency is preparing special tickets for the european
people who want to arrive in Rome and join our adventure. The trip will be
between march and april of the next year. We still don't know the exact
price, but I can advance you that it will be extremely cheap (considering
that is a New Zealand tour, of course)
You can read all details by clicking here:
_LISTA=134&ID_REC=41221> Do It Right Now
Most important, the ITS is organising a great event in Bruxelles to
celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of the publication of the first two
volumes of The Lord of The Rings. The event will occur in march, 2004, in
the prestigious European Parliament and it will last a week. The English
Tolkien Society expressed its enthusiasm to collaborate at the celebration
and other Tolkien Societies all over the world are giving their adhesion to
the initiative. Moreover, the ITS is also trying to obtain the collaboration
of national and european institutions, as the european Parliament and
Commission, the italian ministries, the English and New Zealand
gouvernments. It would be the first time that such important institutions
would support a Tolkien-related event.
During this week, the organisers planned important meetings and exhibitions
with the most important experts and painters of J.R.R. Tolkien coming from
every part of the world. Last but not least, the event will pay attention to
the movies directed by Peter Jackson and on the New Zealand. The ITS, thanks
also to the help and the prestige of the English Tolkien Society, hope to
have someone from the cast of LOTR as guest.
You can read the full press release here:
_LISTA=83&ID_REC=41243> Just Click Now
Why Postlethwaite refused GONY?
Hi,
Though you may be interested in this.
icLiverpool have an interview on their site with Brit actor Pete
Postlethwaite describing why he turned down the chance to work with Martin
Scorsese on Gangs of New York (because the pay sucked), his theatrical tour
of Australia in Scaramouche Jones and his cameo in Paul Hogan's new film,
Strange Bedfellows.
id=13026917&method=full&siteid=50061&headline=Low%20pay%20%2D%20so%20Pete%20
refused%20star%20role> Just Click Here to read all about it.
Regards,
Julez
A Lupin live action feature movie is in production!
Dear Roberto
You might like to know that a live action movie about the gentleman-thief "
Arsene Lupin"( who inspired the Lupin III manga character ) will begin
shooting in France next August. It's a 25 millions dollars flick ( quite
expensive for french standards ) starring Romain Duris ( star of the huge
french hit " L'auberge espagnole" ) and Kristin Scott Thomas. The helmer is
Jean-Paul Salomé (director of "Belphegor" with Sophie Marceau). The action
takes place in Paris and Normandy in 1894. The script, by myself and Salomé
is loosely based upon the 1924 Maurice Leblanc novel "La comtesse de
Cagliostro" ( The Countess of Cagliostro ). Our story focuses on Lupin's
early years and his encounter with a mysterious and dangerous con woman who
calls herself the Countess of Cagliostro ( played by Scott Thomas ).
The project was announced during the 2003 Cannes Film Festival.
Love your site,
Laurent Vachaud
I mentioned Lars Von Trier before, so what is the Danish filmaker doing now?
Here's a few tidbits from the Danish press.
Lars von Trier, whose film Dogville is in competition for the Palmes D'or,
will start the shooting of his next feature "Mandalay" this fall. Nicole
Kidman has been rumored to star, but it hasn't been confirmed yet.
Thomas Vinterberg (Festen) will direct the Trier scribed "Dear Wendy", which
will possibly star Bob Hoskins. Shooting is to take place in Scotland.
Just call me Juno
Maybe someone of you has read this interview with Paolo Zeccara and Fabrizio
Storaro (respectively Visual Effects Supervisor and Digital Set Design
Supervisor of Exorcist: The Beginning) on our Italian site, but if you lost
it, I think it's a good idea to post it on AICN too. Beware, a few spoilers
below:
Paolo Zeccara - Visual Effects Supervisor
What about working on Exorcist: The Beginning? Was it hard?
Mr. Paul Schrader wasn’t interested in directing a splatter movie with a lot
of visual effects. This sequel will be very different from the first one.
Our job is more photorealistic than you can think, because we don’t want to
change Vittorio Storaro’s photography in post production. Instead we want to
develop with him the visual aspect of the movie, particularly about the
fantastic scenes which increase more and more during the movie. When the
Evil grows, everything changes, the nature becomes darker, the animals are
strange and the african landscape changes with beautiful northern lights
appearing.
What is your task in the production?
The supervisor’s job is to control the project and to find the right
solutions for the movie discussing them with the people involved. I have to
stay on the set. For example I went to Morocco for a month and a half to
decide with Mr. Schrader and the director of photography how to do the
shootings right to make the visual effects work later in post production.
Sometimes you have to shoot an empty frame, sometimes you use blue screen.
My job was to choose which visual effect tecnique was right in that moment
without wasting or disturbing the actors, which is a problem I noticed in
the last Star Wars movies. An example: there’s a scene where some hyenas
surround the main character. How did we do? We took real hyenas and we tried
to train them. We found it impossible and dangerous for the actors. Then we
took an hyena and we build a sort of leash (masked as fake coat to make it
unrecognizable), we made the hyena sleep and shot her on the set far away
from the actor. And later we multiplied her with cgi. We had some problems
because the hyena didn’t react as a ferocious animal. I think that we will
use live material in the final cut for about 20% (also for a scene in which
the hyena came back in a dream). Stellan Skarsgard faced very dangerous
situations during the shooting. He showed to be a real professional and a
very clever actor. I knew it, because the 80% of american actors are used to
visual effects and know how to work with them, acting with the eyes as
Robert De Niro in Frankenstein.
Which was the most difficult job?
Our goal was to show to be on the same level as Hollywood. American people
are demanding. We had to talk a lot with Mr. Schrader who was in New York or
Los Angeles while we worked in Rome. On the set we had to explain Mr.
Schrader what we needed without make him thinking we were trying to force
him to do what we wanted. It’s a very difficult balance. We want to realize
the director’s vision. Our job is 30% artistic and 70% technical. Americans
are searching new visual effects studios in France, England and New Zeland.
We are the first italians that they contacted. We hope that this will help
us grow up.
Which were the things you worked with more concentration?
The production designs, the African sets (which is the set for most of the
movie) and the Netherland ones. Father Merrin lost his faith when in
Netherland some Nazi forced him to choose ten men to kill just to avenge one
Nazi killed during the occupation. Then we find him three years later as an
archeologist in Africa where he meets Pazuzu, the Demon of the first movie.
Here in Cinecittà they shot the Netherland and the african sets (an
archeological site, a colonial village) in which we will see the black
culture who fights with the white culture.
How is it going now?
We’re preparing five or six versions of some scenes that Mr. Schrader is
editing now. We are waiting for the final cut, that is set to be on the
first days of May (this interview was made on April). Anyway, Mr. Schrader
doesn’t have the final cut.Fabrizio Storaro - Digital Set Design Supervisor
Which tecniques did you use for the movie?
Two tecniques. First: the translite. We reproduced the external sets in our
facilities “OxArt” inside Cinecittà with the cgi, using some still photos we
took in Morocco when Mr. Schrader was filming in Africa. We built in
Cinecittà the Morocco sets and we used our translites as the background of
the construction. We modified the photos to obtain different quality of
light (morning, afternoon, night). Then we printed the images creating
translites of 20 x 6 metres. Once the translites are painted, now, thanks to
the computer technology, we can use images to create our new images. We used
this tecnique for Dune (the tv series). In that movie we didn’t restrict
ourselves to reproduce a real desert but we inserted same computer photos to
realize our idea of a desert.
And the other one?
The construction of the church mosaics. While the translites are basically
big sheets with thickness, in this case we transferred the mosaics colour on
the set, which was at the beginning the same white plaster walls. A painter
create a lot of pictures which represented the mosaics, then we transferred
all into the computer and then transferred all on a very particularly kind
of film that allow to insert only the colour. Then we went to the theater
sets and we attached these huge pictures on the walls opposite, with the
image faced to the wall. After a bit, when the walls absorbed the colour, we
separated the pictures from them. So the church hall is a real wall that you
can touch and it allowed Mr. Schrader to do particularly kind of shootings.
Which was the most difficult part of your job?
Working on the mosaics and the octagonal dome. A painter gave me some
pictures of an angel and many heads and we made all the eight parts of the
dome usings these heads and removing the mosaics which were used also for
the church. The painter gave us a series of elements that me and my father
(the legendary three Academy Awards winner Vittorio Storaro) used to create
different walls. There are 20-25 mosaics inside the church. I worked a lot
with my father about the colours, with Stefano Ortolani who was the art
director and with David Packard, that is the painter.Last but not least, two more reviews by our great James Bartlett (Spoilers
included). Matrix Reloaded was released in Europe this weekend, A Mighty
Wind has to arrive in our theaters yet, so don't start the usual "I've seen
this movie a year ago" in the talkbacks, please...A Mighty Wind
Director: Christopher Guest
Eugene Levy, Catherine O'Hara, Michael McKean, Harry Shearer, Christopher
Guest, Bill Badalato
91 mins
Jonathan Steinbloom (Bill Badalato) is organising a concert in memory of his
father, an influential manager of folk music bands back in the 60's - he
wants to get the Main Street Singers, The Folksmen and the darlings from
that scene, Mitch and Mickey, back for the gig at New York's Town Hall..
But the 60's were a long way back and organising a gig like this in a short
time isn't as easy as everyone thinks: The Folksmen (Michael McKean, Harry
Shearer, Christopher Guest) are up for it - though all have lost their hair,
The Main Street Singers have had many personnel changes over the years and
are now the New Main Street Singers - with an ex-porn star and homeless
runaway now on board.
Trickiest of all and the main focus of this ensemble piece is Mitch and
Mickey (Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara). They are no longer a couple and
their bitter break-up pushed Mickey over the edge; now he is a bit of a
spaced out, mumbling wreck: can they all get it together in time?
Using the trademark mockumentary style that was used to such success in
Spinal Tap, Guest shows admirable restraint here and keeps from using
obvious "Tap" style histrionics or problems in the build up to the gig. The
use of "old" footage and photographs - plus the hilarious fictional album
covers - really evokes that time (and even though I'm not quite old enough
to remember it, it worked for me).
Best of all though were the songs themselves; as to be expected from such
genuine musicians, they sounded great and really could have been from that
period - a genius touch and virtually the glue that held it all together.
Also, the continued use of the same ensemble cast comes up trumps again.
Also, the Mitch and Mickey strand was moving as well and the film provided a
lot more laughs than you would have thought when you heard the subject
matter. I rate this more highly than Guest's other recent films "Waiting For
Guffman and "Best in Show".
The Matrix Reloaded
Director: The Wachowski Brothers
Keanu Reeves, Laurence Fishburne, Carrie-Anne Moss, Hugo Weaving
138 mins
The Matrix Reloaded is the sequel the massive hit from 1999 and the second
in the trilogy. Its world-wide simultaneous release heralded as much
excitement as the Men In Black sequel and maybe even a Star Wars or Lord Of
The Rings film. In fact as I recall, the biggest cheer in the other recent
huge hit sequel (the limp X2) was for the Matrix Reloaded trailer.
Reloaded still sees us with Neo (Keanu Reeves), Orpheus (Laurence Fishburne)
and Trinity (Carrie-Anne Moss) and their never ending quest to keep their
human-inhabited "real" underground world of Zion safe, both from the
octopus-like machines who seek to destroy it and the black suited agents who
patrol the Matrix - the imaginary world that the rest of mankind lives in.
The machines are tunnelling down towards Zion and its people are gearing up
for a nasty fight, but Orpheus believes that Neo will provide the solution,
as he is "the chosen one". Many also believe this too, but others are not so
sure - including Neo himself.
When Agent Smith (Hugo Weaving) confronts Neo and tells him that he is
"free" too, we're not sure what he means - whatever, he has learnt to
reproduce himself, so now Neo has another type of Agent enemy to fight.
Orpheus and the others take their ship out of Zion to try and get the
solution from The Oracle. This in turn leads them on a quest to find the Key
Maker, who can open the door at the centre of the Matrix and answer all the
questions - or can it?
When I saw The Matrix a few years back, I felt that it was a simple
schoolboy sci-fi script wrapped around some amazing effects that were
admittedly new and innovative. Now it's over four years later and the
effects we saw then are now standard - common enough to be parodied and used
in TV ads - so I thought that perhaps this film was going to blast us away
with even better effects.
Sadly, The Matrix Reloaded was a breathtaking disappointment; the script is
flawed and the dialogue is confusing "hard sci-fi," plus there's no trace of
humanity or emotion, even though there are love stories set up and we are
supposedly dealing with the end of the human race as we know it.
As for the effects - how sparse and pretty unspectacular. What you see in
the trailer is pretty much it and they hold no tension for us anymore; we
know that Neo, Trinity and Orpheus will triumph any chase or fight, so
what's the point? Sure they look great, but so what? This is an effects
movie; they should do.
As for the performances, there's not much there; Anne-Moss has little to do,
Reeves is his usual plank and Fishburne has too much cod pseudo religious
sci fi bullshit to spout. As for Weaving - a great actor - his character
Agent Smith could have been amazing; perhaps it's in the next film.
It's quite a long watch and pretty boring really - it's also essential to
see the first film before this, or you'll be lost. Nevertheless, this has
already made a fortune and the third film Revolutions is out at Christmas.
James Bartlett
That's all for today
See you next week
Robert Bernocchi
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i haven't seen such division among fans since GONY. listening to TBers, Matrix2 is either an incredible dud or pure sci-fi CGI poetry. i still haven't seen it and don't know if i should. i don't trust media hyping of flicks and so i usually rely on AICN to inform me and it's thanks to AICN that i saw some great flicks like AMELIE, SHAOLIN SOCCER and the RING. but with Matrix the jury is really out...
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Fuck me. Fuck me up my stupid ass.
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He is a sexy hockey man!
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Over and out
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There is no work for dead raped deer in any of this. That fat bastard Harry has cursed the entire community of dear raped deer with one mention.
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Jun 12, 2003 4:09:19 AM CDT
Face it, RELOADED is the biggest let-down since RED DRAGON.
by cash bailey
REVOLUTIONS better all-but cure the blind to prevent this series going down as the biggest fuck-up in the history of movies.
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Because I love the fuck out of it, and it's hands-down the best genre movie I've seen since TTT. Ah well, horses for courses.
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Since Reloaded was released in Europe exactly the same day as almost everywhere else in the world (bar a few unlucky countries), and since the movie isn't any different than the one that was reviewed so often already on the site, I really don't see the need to post another review of it in this particular column, especially since the idiot reviewer has nothing remotely interesting to say, except his constant referring to Fishburne's character as ORPHEUS. Yeah, that sure makes for a valid and believable contribution. Stupid.
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I enjoyed the first movie but it wasn't sci-fi heaven on earth like many fanboys like to say so, since my expectations were lower, the second one felt pretty much the same. But the worst problem to me was that those fucking trailers revealed too much of the effects. Wachowskis take note: DON'T SHOW ALL THE GOOD STUFF IN TRAILERS DAMMIT!!! The only real surprise was the truck crash.
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Did you see Manhunter? The letdown began with Silence of the Lambs, Red Dragon was just a continuation.
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Jun 12, 2003 9:51:47 AM CDT
you want to talk letdown, a mighty wind fills that void.
by miltonwaddams
the matrix wasn't great, and it wasn't absolute shit either. it was flawed, and not nearly as good as the first, but it was still cool. the greatest fuckup in the history of movies? quit overstating, nerd ass fanboy.
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Jun 12, 2003 11:37:24 AM CDT
So we won't be getting a live action version of the cartoon Lupi
by 007-11
Typical, just typical. Oh well, perhaps this will be good too.
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... but first a little research into what sword Merry will be wielding when he "pierces Angmar's sinews"- There is a picture at TORN and on "Quintessential" of Merry and Pippin at flooded Isengard brandishing the same two swords that Aragorn gave them at Weathertop in FOTR (the movie). SO this begs several questions: What happened to the Elven daggers Galadriel gave them? Burned with the Uruk carcasses? Did Aragorn take back the blades he gave them? And will he give them back during the Flotsam & Jetsam sequence in ROTK? Or did he recover the Galadhrim daggers "off screen" and THAT'S what Merry stabs the Nazgul with? Or, is PJ & Co. going to ignore this back-story altogether? In the picture of Pippin in Tower Guard livery he is carrying a DIFFERENT sword than either the Elf dagger or the Weathertop sword, but I can't find any picture that lets you see what blade Merry has with his Rohirric gear. *** Back to the Musical: So Aragorn emerges from his tent sporting his nifty new Middle Earthian Mullet, with his maimed left ear cleverly concealed by Elrond's hairdressing talents and a little Imladris Dippety Do, singing to Eomer who is standing nearby: "My doo is red hot! Your doo ain't doodley squat!" Which he will later reprise when Arwen shows up to get hitched, this time singing to Faramir regarding Eowyn: My gal is red hot! Your gal ain't doodley squat!" etc...
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It was only infinitely better than Mann's Miami Vice: Thomas Harris Edition.
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Jun 14, 2003 10:35:31 AM CDT
I've said it before, though usually not as civilly,
by conan_the_humble
These 'Euro' AICN reviewers are a bunch of tossers. I have yet to see them praise a film. I understand the concept of criticism, however I'm not sure these guys do. These guys seem to possess a pathological hatred of film. A critic in my view is perfectly entitled to point out the flaws etc of films. What I dislike is the (apparent) total and unrelenting hatred towards all films. Why does Harry let him post here, so he can be the 'devil's advocate'? Matrix Reloaded DID dissappoint me. The first one afterall raised such high expectations. However, the movie was not complete rubbish as these Euro reviewers would have you believe. Anyhoo I saw on TORN that there was speculation that these mysterious tents are in Dunharrow. Has someone from TORN been reading the TE's have they? I distinctly recall postulating this very theory some days prior to TORN publishing it. I feel like Jack Nicholson in Batman after his 'balloons' were taken away... Cheers.
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Oh yeah, civility at the end of a knuckle sandwich! Heh! Look mate, you may have guessed at the Rohirrim tents at Dunharrow thingy but it was confirmed sometime back that there was a Dunharrow filming location. Two plus two equals four, dunnit? Aw, I
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RotIoMB (Recognizers of the Importance of Merry
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Damn straight about Merry 'opening a can on the witchking's arse'... I too shall be forced to withdraw my support... If Merry doesn't cut some Ulairi knee sinew with his Westernesse Blade. I just saw something interesting on TORN. ** Spoilers** It's in the story about WETA upgrading their servers etc. The guy being interviewed mentions that they needed the extra capacity as ROTK will have 1200+ SFX shots, compared to 800 for TTT and 400 for FOTR. He also mentions that in ROTK there will be 2 'big' battles, plus an 'army of the dead'!!! Sounds like good news for the POTD, no? Cheers.
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before I had my 'insight' and put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5. I just came up with a 'crackpot' theory. Perhaps I was inspired no? Cheers...
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Man alive! Wotta gyp! No offense, fellas, but c'mon. I figured the boards'd be all a-twitter on the USA Today stuff. Yet compared to the scale of monster TE discussions of the past, hardly a hiccup. ("How many did YOU read, Pip?" >erp<) Well, somethin's better'n nuthin, and when I had 5 min to dip in and read subject lines last friday there was just about NUTHIN. So. Let's get some more chatter goin! I gotta do something with these trapped-at-the-desk lunches! :~) And where the hell is everyone else? *** ...All righty then. Yes! Dunharrow! (So I suppose the pass up into the mountains mentioned by Gamling at the end of HD don't go to the PoD like I was guessing...) I had an inkling he'd be getting Anduril before the Paths. Mainly because that's his first external representation of himself as King. The sword has been so much identified with that position in the films, it definitely needed to be wielded to call forth the Oathbreakers in the name of Isildur. Probably the first time he draws it forth from its sheath. Can't have a Mere Ranger in dirty dungarees and a basic K-Mart Wilderness Survival Toadsticker claiming a royal heritage before complete strangers, now, can we? Might not be anything he can do about the dirty dungarees yet, but at least give him the blade of the kingship. (I repeat, morG, Anduril is NOT a magic dingus! [uh-oh, not goin there ;)...] It's a symbol, a totem, tightly bound to the character!) ** As for the banner of the White Tree, I have ZERO doubt that it'll be unfurled at a very dramatic moment as the sighting of the dread black ships from the South seemingly spell doom for the good guys. It's just too obviously dramatic and delicious a screen moment for PJ, or any director, to ever pass up. I expect gasps along the lines of Eomer's "Not alone. ROHIRI-I-I-I-IM!" I got no no NO worries there. ...What mi-i-i-ight happen is, it might not be a token from Arwen anymore... It might just be a token from Elrond (with no mention to who made it, just "here ya go, sport") to go with the reforged sword, as an ackowledgment and belated vote of confidence. Of course, could do the same thing, and more than one thing, by adding THAT his daughter made it. Would take care of two things at once (always the screenwriters' goal in a scene, at a minimum), that it's a gesture of respect to the King of Men from Elrond, AND that it's from his daughter, so a father giving his begrudging "Oh all right, I'll butt out, kids." (Dangit, where's Dufus' dialogue skillz when ya need 'em?) *** Anyone else remember PJ discussing the reforging of Anduril? [Hold on--semantics question. Can't RE-forge something that hadn't been already forged, right? So, RE-forging Narsil. But it isn't Narsil anymore, it's Anduril. So, it's forging Anduril, from Narsil parts? Or re-forging Narsil, then renaming it Anduril? Okay, I think the latter. But makes for tricky shorthand referencing.] I think it was back at his and Fran's booksigning in NY (that elanor, of course, attended *sigh*) when he dropped the "Shelob is moving to ROTK" bomb. Back then--so VERY subject to change, I mean, crikey--I think he mentioned that the reforging of Narsil was going to be the sequence under the titles at the beginning of ROTK. (Anyone wanna volunteer to dig into the AICN archives?) Very apt, if'n you ask me, seeing the sword of the King being reforged with the title Return of the King superimposed. Anyway, that was a long time ago, and they're STILL tweaking the edit, so who's to say anymore? *** Last but not least, I liked reading at TORN the continuining tech-upgrade going on at Weta! Just ike they said they were going to do, many many years ago. As the films' demands get higher, purchase the latest equipment THEN, instead of blowing ahuge chunk on technology that gets chepaer, faster, smaller in the space of months. And what did adding all that new server capacity cost 'em? $5 mil! A drop in the friggin' LOTR bucket! ...And the really exciting bit, is the repeating of the other hard-fact stuff they were saying way back before even FOTR came out. That the (theatrical) FOTR had about 3-400 effects shots, (theatrical) T2T had about twice that, and ROTK has more than the both of them put together. Mmmmmm. While it ain't news strictly story or character or quality related, sometimes it's nice to wallow and thrash about in the real numbers. :~) ...Now. Where's our trailer, dammit?
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Nine !'s, baby! Holy crow, it almost got by without notice! We are now officially SIX MONTHS AWAY from the ROTK wide release! That means after today (actually, maybe already? someone wanna do the math on that?) we are CLOSER to ROTK than we are to the release of Two Towers LAST winter! We're OVER THE HUMP! It's all downhill from here! Yeeeee-HAAAAW! Miami, I know you're busy, but surely there'll be some special acknowledgment of this milestone in tomorrow's countdown...? Meanwhile, >clink< the flagons and cheer! Huzzah!
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"D'you mean ta say i made it over the hump? Well gosh, i'd like to thank you all for making this possible." It's still too long away though. But yes, they have to get Merry's blade right, (only those blades will do the right level of damage, or that's the impression i got from the book!) So you can count my vote on any pettition made for merry's blade. (Now, what other wrongs shall i right in the world? Tailend; i command you to UNHOSE! - Did it work?)
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Eep! What titles? Won
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We wondered, eh we wondered whether you would pick up on my snide little remark... Cheers.
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... observation when he sayeth: That no "Ranger of the North, much less THE Dunedan, Numenorean King that he is, Aragorn, Elesser, The Elf Stone, Etcetera, would never 'behavith' in such a 'vile' manner. T'would exceed the bounds of his ethical concepts and mighty heritage... The tent scene stinketh...
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Twenty-six weeks (efe) until LotR:RotK!!!!!!!!!
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Jun 18, 2003 2:58:43 PM CDT
Sorry for disappointing you O Pointy hatted blue clouted Istar,
by skyway moaters
... Ever listen to or see Harry Nillson's "The Point" about this round-headed kid named Oblio? No? Er, well anyway, I guess that others just didn't think there was that much to talk about concerning the USA Today blurbs. Either that or folks was just busy. Elanor is missing in action. I think morG mentioned that she's out of town as is The Mofo. I thought I had been participating pretty steadily in this TB and then I checked my post to discover that I hadn't posted anything since last Friday. Oh well we need a new TB or at least some 'new' news, I'm off to unearth the latest ROTK tidbits if there's any to be found... Namarie, Trubba Not, Pollando Blue's on Johnny's spot... SM{;-0
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Man, this TB is uber-hosed on the posting order! Is there THAT much banning going on?!!
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... nothing like a computer programmed motion control SWOOPAGE shot down the face of a 80' long Bigature to get this geek salivating like Pavlov's Dog! HOW many effects shots didja say are supposed to be in in ROTK? *** Guess that's the difference between wimmings an mens JRRT geeks: Swoonage VS Swoopage! Let the games begin!
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Remember that Irish Spring soap commercial? Good, now listen: Swoopage. It's made for a man... but I like it too! YES! I will perhaps always be more fond of swoonage but I have learned to love (and now expect) major swoopage. All time favorite is no contest. Fellowship: the post moth swoop down the thorny side of Orthanc into the forgers fire, especially as accompanied by that Shores pounding, upsetting 5/4 time Saruman theme.
But the last swoop up through the trees then up up up up to reveal the dark and deadly Mordor-scape where they much go next. BTW while I'm on the trees. I especially liked this location as borderline Mordor for the lifeless-seeming forest. I think those are eucalyptus trees or something similar (BG? Conan?). Such trees are wont to take over an area and sort of over-populate it, driving other plant life out. The area has a tormented feeling which is so much better than having them walk through an otherwise-healthy looking forest.***Miami! Thanks for letting us know we are post hump. I feel better already.***Yes MorG, I was in
Chicago seeing my nephew graduate from the brainiest geek school on earth, University of Chicago. Pretty campus. Lots of history. But I'm right with you on wanting Merry to have the RIGHT sword on the Pellenor and, Arwen-like, I still have hope ***
Moaters: I searched for and am now listening to my copy of "The Point" since you brought it up. Have loved it since my own college days. In fact, I named my horse "Arrow". I can still recite every word. How I mourn the loss of Harry Nilsson!**Hey, y'all. I have been reading "The End of the Third Age" and discovered a few interesting items. First, that Tolkien did not conceive of SOTS from the very beginning, so that is the very first "justification" I have yet seen for it being left out. (I know, weak argument - the book is what he PUBLISHED, not scraps of writing from 40 years of rumination). I should call it a rationalization, not a justification!***Second, I had no idea Arwen's "original" name was Finduilas. And third, that "well, I'm back" was only the BEGINNING of an "epilogue" that I find quite charming (well, I'm in it!) and totally suprising. However, despite all of these "discoveries" and those I found in Letters, and other chapters of HOME, I have yet to find a single story or scrap that I prefer to what was published. But I do find it fun and interesting to learn what else was on his mind.**PB, I am still too skeptical of that USA
Today reporter's descriptions to want to discuss the content too much. The "soup" scene sounds particularly awful. I guess I don't want it to be true. -
...swoopage is the NEW thing and swooning is, well, it's she-poster stuff! Now, here are two swoops, one I want to see and one from Fellowship...The First One: a great swoop, mounted Nazgul eye's view, right through the gate of the Rammass and up, up over it all right up the city of Minas Tirith and past the Tower of Ecthelion (Up-swoop!). If it looks half as good as the first swoop shot from atop Orthanc, the recently imprisoned Gandalf's eye view, down into the pits of Isengard (Down-swoop!). Uuh-uuh-uuh. O great glory, give me swoopage anytime! Swoon, bah! ** OMG! Oh, um, hullo there elanor-lass {[:^) Glad you had a nice trip. Of course I was only joking about the s vs s and no personal slight, perceived or otherwise, was intended (shakes BM morGy rattle) towards any or all she-posters (or he) currently posting or lurking. Now, now, no need comparing apples with deodorant soap, if you take my meaning. So you FINALLY read about Elanor and Sammies other young ones waiting for the King and his Arwen to come to Lake Evendim. Popsy Sam reading to them from the Red Book. Aww
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Hello tailenders. Thought you might be interested to know that Leonides has reinstated his "Ask Leo" thread at the Tolkien Movies message board. The addy is: http://pub108.ezboard.com /fthelotrmoviesitegeneral discussion.showMessage? topicID=3447.topic * please note the spaces added after .com, general, and Message? * Heavy Spoiler Warning!!
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the power of Christ compels thee!!! Cheers.
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Didn't work. Cheers.
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... Arwen's expanded role in the films; saying that she's not even IN ROTK (the books-5&6) in any substantial form. The point they are missing, AGAIN, now repeat after me: "IT'S A MOVIE!". Once you read the appendices, "The Story of Arwen &Aragorn", it forever changes the subtext of the book for you upon subsequent readings. All PJ has done is try to give his audience a sense of the tale with all it's sublots themes and texts fully fleshed out...
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Loved the movie, 'The Point' and the song -- hated the Plymouth commercial. I seem to recall that Dustin Hoffman voiced the Dad -- am I correct in this? ***I didn't go away -- everyone came here, so I'm busy entertaining. My aunt's 100th was fun -- she just loved the skateboard I gave her. :~) ***In twelve weeks and six days, thanks to help of JD1866, a surprise guest vocalist shall grace the weekly Wednesday countdown, LIVE, from the stage at Club Angband. ***morGy, regarding Swoopage, I still can't understand why that entire scene when the moth flies up Arwen's dress was deleted from LotR:FotR.
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... although what you infer is basically unfair: Wimmings enjoy both swooping and swooning, but the men folks only appreciate the swoops(?). Don't forget about the delectable ladies in the cast! Why yer own ma, Rosie, is quite swoonable in her own right; (now if she was just a little taller, and her legs just a tad less hairy!)(Heh!). *** But to be perfectly honest, I have to cop to being to being more susceptible to swooning over swoopage than over the LOTR ladies - geek that I am. Hey, what can I say? I've been married for 20 years and Mrs. Moaters ain't in da movie!...
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...Dustin Hoffman voiced the Dad in the TV special "The Point", and I seem to remember Ringo Starr doing the voice of the count or the king or SOMEONE. If I'm not mistaken, (back me up here Elanor dear) Nilsson did the narration and all the voices himself on the LP, (that's "Long Playing Record" for all you post Compact Disc types)...
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... http://www.quintessential websites.com/lordoftherings/ movieshots_rotk/ adisplay_e3rotkimages.htm * Take out the spaces between quintessential & website, before movieshots, and adispaly. * Minas Tirith street scenes! Geez how many times can you type quintessential in on post?
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How odd is it that my favorite musician and the director of the movie being made from my favorite book, and when completed with Rotk, that will probably be my favorite move, are ranked 26th and 27th in Forbes' list of the most powerful people in the entertainment industry. Personally, I think they're both ranked too low. I seem to recall that two years ago, people were predicting the demise of New Line because of these movies. Where are THEY now?
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...yeah, they're the same geniuses who predicted "LoTR will tank!" ** Dammit you guys, let's here some favorite swoopage post...that means YOU Miami, Moaters and Conan! C'mon, iffen ye don't do your parts, the she-poster's will start more SWOON stuff! Of course, nothing can compare with Liv Tyler's swoon-maximage scene with Aragorn on the bridge in Rivendell. Now, if only there'd been a swooping camera cleavage shot...
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....would have to be be when Frodo puts on the Ring in Sammath Naur, and the Dark Lord is suddenly aware of him and of "the magnitude of his folly"! Holy jumping catfish!! Can't you just see it fellas?! Streaking out the entrance to The Cracks-O-Doom, hurtling along the road between Barad Dur and Orodruin, screaming past Orcs, Trolls, Leutenants, Captains and Marshalls, straight up the side of the dark tower and into Sauron's sanctuary! THEN smack dab into the center of the flaming eye! Then THROUGH the eye! Into the sky above the Morranon to the Nazgul! Who turn with ear rending shrieks to streak back into Mordor, to the mountain of fire, JUST as the Eagles of Manwe come rocketing down from the upper airs! WHEW!
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Jun 20, 2003 2:12:47 PM CDT
"...thousands of virtual orcs and elks engage in the heat of bat
by pallando blue
[Verbatim quote from the techie article linked to at TORN] ...Now THAT's what I want to see! A swooping shot over Orcs and Elks, in the heat of battle! Hooves against shields, swords on antlers.... Ah, the spectacle of it all!
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Jun 20, 2003 2:49:42 PM CDT
This is why it always pays to proof-read vice relying on spell c
by skyway moaters
...Heck if the guy spelled Elves correctly according to JRRT spell check might very well have suggested Elks as an alternative! Combine that with an overworked proof reader, outside the Tolkien fold, and voila! I've had spell check offer to change Elven to Elfin, or Eleven, repeatedly over the years. And while the mental picture of hoofs and horns is funny Pollando old fruit, my first mental image was a bunch of old guys from the Elks' LODGE, with little fake horns growing out of their red velvet Fez's (Fezes, Fezzes, just what the heck is the plural for Fez anyway?), setting up a beer pavilion in the middle of The Morannon!..
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It finally hit me what Bakshi's Boromir was wearing on his head. It was Fred Flintstone's Waterbuffalo hat. After 26 years of wondering, I now have my answer. So now that that's settled, I can concentrate on morGoth's swoopage -- Cirith Ungol is the first that comes to mind.
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...addys for Daughter of Time? Enquiring Shards wants to know! DoT! How can we mails de book to ye iffen we don't gots accurate informations?! Apparently SoN, (Shards of Narsil) has been trying to reach you without success...
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Heh, that
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Most favourite swoopage moment so far has to be the start of TTT. All the way up to the big drop with Gandalf and the Balrog. It completely blew me away! Absolutly stunning! But i'm also most looking forward to the swoop that's almost guarenteed to end all swoops. Would PJ ass up the opportunity presented by Frodo claiming the ring? Favourite swoon moments have all been talked about a bit too much, but we can't let men start taking over the board. However, i feel compelled to mention the shirtage moment in those pictures that torn had up. Pippin in uniform! No scarf! Thud. Plus, Sam's already nabbed sting! i have to go and lie down again now.
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Jun 20, 2003 7:43:07 PM CDT
Most of the best swoopage has already been mentioned,
by conan_the_humble
I like the reverse camera angle of the fellowship walking through Hollin though, the one where they pass the 'ruins.' I STILL find it amazing those ruins were completely CGI. That shot is absolutely seamless to my eye. Cheers.
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I'm not argumentative (hmmm) I was just going through a phase... One I'm completely through. It's out of my system and I've moved forward. I have also run out of cliches... Cheers.
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Geez, what an over used clich
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... FC is no more, got in a flamin' war with a foul-mouthed little barset on another thread and WOOSH! Banned. *** How's this for SWOOPAGE?: Gandalf sitting on Shadowfax at the broken gate of Minas Tirith, facing down the Nazgul Lord, and a cock crows! SWOOSH! high speed motion control shot throught the Minas Bigature to a Rhode Island Red Roooster perched atop a Byzantine dome just a squawkin' his lttle lungs out not giving a rat's ass for nothin' 'cept the dawn! The KAWOOSH! again motion control "tunneling' shot down the side of the building to a large cat crouching under a spreading yew bush licking it's chops, THEN, away on the edge of hearing, horns blowing wildly! The Rohirrim have come at last! YAY! And BADAWOOSH! The camera pulls off the rooster, like a company of calvary, shoots up over the wall of the first circle, through the smoke, streaking over the carnage of the Pellenor at 800 MPH right into Theoden's golden shield as he leads the assault...err, ok, maybe I've gotten a little carried away with this SWOOPAGE thing... Namarie, Trubba Not, who'll replace fister? I know not, hes roadin with Aunty now...*SIGH*
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Teaser poster at torn! but i was hoping for minas tirith, after both the aragonath and the two black towers. But they've finally given us something, - waiting for the trailer now.
UNHOSE!
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