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On Moriarty, Hypocrisy, and The Internet...

Published at: June 11, 2003, 9:12 a.m. CST

Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

You know what really bugs me? When I take the time to write something and no one reads it.

... er...

I don’t want to write a gazillion words on this. But it’s obvious I need to write something, and it took me a couple of days to come up with a stunning defense... a cunning plan for how to address the situation... so brace yourselves for it...

I was wrong.

Yeah, that’s right. I said it. I was wrong. Big fat honkin’ wrong, and there’s no two ways about.

Not about piracy, mind you. I have legitimate problems with the implications of online piracy and the attitude of what seems to be an entire generation of people who are growing up with the entrenched belief that "if it's digital, it's free."

But I was completely wrong in how I wrote about the subject.

First, it's a personal choice. I have no business telling anyone what decision to make regarding the trafficking of stolen materials. And I wouldn't even if my hands were squeaky clean. Which they aren't.

At this moment, with me dealing with the people I deal with all day long and all week long, and with my career developing the way it is, I have a particular perspective on the issue of the duplication and distribution of copywritten material. It's my personal perspective. It's not more right than someone else's. It's not more ethical. It's not more moral. It's simply mine.

When I wrote what I wrote, I spoke down to my readership. And that's absolutely a mistake. The minute you condescend to the person reading your work... whoever they are... you risk alienating them.

When I first met Harry Knowles... the very first time... we hooked up because I was looking for a way to get something onto the Internet for other fans to enjoy.

It was something I wasn't supposed to have.

It came from someone's office who had no idea I had it.

I was told by someone online to try Harry Knowles. I got in touch with him in Texas. He hooked me up with a guy in Australia.

Why?

To circumnavigate US copyright law. That's why.

Hello, kettle? It's the pot. I'm black.

So mea culpa. No other arguments are really needed to convince me that I made a colossal mistake the other day. You don’t have to try to go through every single word on the site looking for just the right phrase with which to hang me.

I know about the process for downloading files from other Internet users because I’ve taken part in that process. Many times. Hell, I remember when the luscious Marla Singer came over one night to introduce me to the wonders of Napster. “It’s like the world’s greatest jukebox,” she said. And at first, it was. “Free” is a powerful notion, and it’s intoxicating the first time you realize just how much material is out there, just waiting to take up space on your hard drive.

My own position on this sort of rampant file-sharing has changed. I’m older now than I was then. I freely admit it... the view’s different from inside the system than it is from outside.

I am not the same person I was back in 1996 when I met Harry. Harry's not the same person, either.

He and I have different ideas about some of the underlying issues that were raised by him, by talk backers, by people here on this thread, and by the hundreds and hundreds of e-mails I've gotten in the last few days about this.

What I understand now, more clearly than ever before, is that this is perhaps one of the key issues currently facing anyone working in a creative commercial endeavor. And it's also one of the key issues currently facing anyone who is a consumer of those commercial creative endeavors. Films, music, books, TV, computer software... really doesn't matter what it is. We are all awash in the implications of all of this, everyone making or watching or listening or reading or writing any of it.

My article was a gross oversimplification of the issues raised. One could produce a weekly column on the subject and just barely scratch the surface. Hell, if I found the right person to write it, I'd publish that column just so I could read it.

More than anything, I regret being insulting to the people who read AICN. It's out of character for me, and I think my recent lack of sleep and work-related stress is not always allowing me to be the person I'd like to be. My already wafer-thin ill-temper seems to be ruling the day recently, and that's never a good thing.

You guys deserve better. The guys who wrote in with those HULK workprint reviews deserved better. They wrote in with the exact same sense of exuberance that any of our reviewers from test screenings write in with, and I pissed on them for it. And that was undeserved.

So... that’s what I’ve got to say for myself. No fancy tapdancing. No digging in to “prove” that I’m right. I’m sorry if you took offense at what I said. I think there are obviously a number of points of view on this issue, and I have no doubt the debate will continue. In the future, maybe I’ll learn how to keep that debate civil.

For now...

"Moriarty" out.





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  • June 11, 2003, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Please shut up

    by GoodShoe

    Thank you. Now I will download me some midget porn. Crazy midgets

  • June 11, 2003, 9:24 a.m. CST

    First!

    by Filmflipper20

    Apology accepted, even though I shared your opinion

  • June 11, 2003, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Thanks.

    by Robert K S

    Good call Drew.

  • June 11, 2003, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Ok so you apologised...

    by cockknocker

    Now follow through with that tiny tiny positive step. You AICN fucks need sort this website out. Get up to date news. Redesign and improve the website. Put some money back into the thing. Proof read and think about your fucking articles before you post them. SORT IT THE FUCK OUT!!!!!

  • June 11, 2003, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Moriarty, you are officially a mensch.

    by FrankCobretti

    Ok, I'm not Jewish. But still.

  • June 11, 2003, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Takes a big man to admit when he's wrong

    by Fearsme

    Hey, i was among the "what the fuck contigent" at first, but you know what? I soon realized that Mori busts his ass every damn week for next to nothing to provide us with entertaining content, and he makes one goofy statement and everyone calls for his crucifixtion. Maybe its time for the people who dislike Mori and Harry so damn much to stop reading. If anything, this incident proved that there are far too many people hanging around this site just waiting for Harry or Mori to slip up so they can say "I told you so". To those trolls, find another site, your bile spewing and personal attacks are old an unoriginal. Mori, thanks for the continued good work, and it's ok, everyone fucks up sometimes. Except me of course, im perfect.

  • June 11, 2003, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Pirates, Thieves, Scumbags - Don't rejoice just yet...

    by kentrel

    ... for I don't believe Moriarty was apologising to you lot. You're still scum for stealing movies, music and software, and you always will be until the day you die or the day you realise how bad movies have become, and how much harder it is to find work in an industry that should be thriving. Then you'll be sorry. It shocks me that even some of the diehard movie fans in the chatroom seem to think stealing movies isn't going to do any harm. It certainly won't do anygood, and the weak argument of forcing studios to make "better" movies is beyond insulting. It's dangerous. So, don't think Moriarty was grovelling to you. He's just doing damage control to re-assure his fan base he's not sold out. I'm sure he still holds those rightfully hateful thoughts of movie pirates, and I and many others share them. Just because it's free and easy to copy doesn't mean it was free and easy to create.

  • June 11, 2003, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Say it ain't so, Moriarty!!!

    by Mr_Zzsazz

    How can you apologize and admit you were wrong Moriarty?!? Internet trolls like us have to dig in and fight to the death and NEVER admit we are wrong dammit! How can I gaze achingly lovingly into your eyes when we make love from now on knowing you caved in? My whole world is shattered!!

  • June 11, 2003, 9:54 a.m. CST

    FrankCobretti's World View.

    by FrankCobretti

    When I was a junior in high school, I read this book called "The Apologia." I thought it was a quickie tell-all about that hot chick from _Purple Rain_ when I bought it, but it turned out to be Socrateses encomium on the fundamentals of morality. It's one of three books that have changed my life. Here's the short version: by taking part in a society and enjoying the benefits of that society, you engage in a contract. In return for those societal benefits, you agree to abide by the rules that society creates. Socrates believed that he had benefitted from being a member of Athenian society. When that society (wrongly) sentenced him to death, he chose to abide by its rules and drank the hemlock. Let me break it down for the kids on the short bus, Leviathan style: the gov't agrees to protect you from thugs, foreign and domestic. In return, you agree to abide by the law. If you don't like the deal, change the law or find another government. And that is that. Bartender?

  • June 11, 2003, 10:04 a.m. CST

    High Five!

    by Curiously Strong

    Thanks Mor...You've shown some backbone today.

  • June 11, 2003, 10:06 a.m. CST

    I thought you were right first time

    by Heleno

  • June 11, 2003, 10:08 a.m. CST

    The creative marketplace will eat itself whole one day.

    by actonsupremacy

    And Moriarty, you're trapped in the looking glass. I don't envy you. I've always seen you and Harry as distinct entities, one I like more than the other (I'll leave you to decide or guess)but you're in the pickle of knowing now that the creature of impulse that drives pop culture could be the same being that destroys originality and creativity. We live in a lazy, punch-drunk world that likes to feast and feast and feast without the prep time....the truth is, it's all wrong, in some way or another. The early leaks, the screener reviews, the script reviews, the Star Wars 2 stuff, Napster, Kazaa, all of it. It's evidence of the influence of television to give us everything NOW and our need to achieve that "nowness" to feel important with our peers. Switching gears, it's a nice apology, although you're apologizing to a bunch of wannabe droogs who are so miserable with their outside life that they think the life inside their computer is a decent substitute. But you do what you have to keep the readers happy, so be it, and for that, way to, in geek speak, sack up.

  • June 11, 2003, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Hmmm...

    by Neon Jesus

    The thing about Moriarty is, is that he knows how to write. He can incite you to vicious, painful riot and then, he can just calm you down, by just reading a follow-up post. He is what makes AICN great, I think. Sure, he has his ups and downs, his mis-steps, but don't we all? I accept his apology, there is no reason not to. He knows he committed an error, not necessarily about his opinion, but to us, his loyal fanbase. So, 'Bravo, Moriarty', what you did takes more guts than most of us have (especially for a group with such ire and rage) and I look forward to wait in line for your movie. At the theater, no less.

  • June 11, 2003, 10:12 a.m. CST

    this whole controversy is kinda like the crucible........

    by Rome&BrianGarage

    except at the end john proctor apologizes and turns out to be a pansy....he continues to live his life in the village wearing the scarlett letter P for pansy or pussy so the other villagers never forget his sin.....miller and hawthorne roll in their graves....and i have spoken

  • June 11, 2003, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Eh, cut the boy some slack, he admitted he fucked up.

    by Tall_Boy

    Like, I

  • June 11, 2003, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Everyone's missing the real news here...

    by Optimus Prime 2K

    Mori finally admitted that he and Harry hooked up.

  • June 11, 2003, 10:36 a.m. CST

    FTF, and the Scorched Planet Chuckleheads

    by Fearsme

    I read the very sad column at Scorched Planet. Why sad? Because its sad what passes for witty these days. I really thought it was some kind of parody piece, then i realized they were serious. This was a SERIOUS ATTEMPT at trying to sound intellegent. Guess What? You failed. My best example: You said 'This isnt a persoanl attack', then use phrases like 'Harry is fat and smelly'. You spent nearly a paragraph talking about Harry's B.O. Hey idiot, thats a personal attack. The internet is such a double edged sword. It allows anyone to put up a site and give us their opinions. Unfortunately, most of the opinions we get are from idiots like the guys at Scorched Planet.

  • June 11, 2003, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Hey, Dixie Chicks, Sarandon, Robbins, check it out!

    by indyhu

    This is called taking responsibility for your use of free speech. Thanks for showing them how it is done Moriarty. Of course, those listed above won't read this, and in some cases it is possible they can't read at all. This site is a good forum for the views expressed. Those that can debate them (well or poorly), have and have had an effect. I feel that that is free speech at it's finest. Thanks everyone!

  • June 11, 2003, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Hurrah for more bitching and Moaning CK...

    by CaptEgo

    Dude...the point (apparently needing a sledgehammer and railroad spike slammed through your thick noggin to get through to your grey matter) is that if you disapprove of a website...DON'T VISIT IT! Capiche? GO AWAY! You'll be amazed at how none of it's flaws will bother you when you aren't here. Now I realize that the dude with the sawed off shotgun pointed at your head *making* you visit AICN might be upset but, honestly, the alternative will be much better for all of us. Mori: *Shrug* I dunno about the real requirement for your apology. Everyone has the right to irritable now and again and it's laughable that these twits are reacting as though their honour has been besmirched. I *got* your point and was pretty well convinced that you had tasted of the forbidden fruit to boot. It didn't make me feel like jumping about and condemning you for your guilt because I had a sense of the context. What is galling is spoiled little jackasses acting like they have some kind of 'entitlement' to unlimited bandwdith, free access to everyones elses toil and moral indignation in the face of completely understandable ire. Keep up the good work Mori...feel free to vent now and again if it makes life even a tinch more bearable. 'We' can take it.

  • June 11, 2003, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Wake up Moriarty, the Matrix has you

    by Klendathu

    and it is within the nature of itself that this matrix creates the desiire to log on to it. sometimes you log on although they yet again raised the price for admission. sometimes you have to hack into it. the campigns now seem to create desires within us to see each movie on the first weekend. so we talkback all year and hit the cinemas. we watch the record weekends and the fall afterwards. we look at the matrix and exit it thinking "kinda nice but i hope return of the king will be better" do not turn this site into a machine that just promos all the expensive productions. give us the good movies with the underpaid actors the cheesy fx instead of hunting the perfect geekFX experience. cause geeks scream "party is over" when they see it for the 100th time and not during previews. and then you just laugh at all those who think seeing it first matters. and those who try to make you think it.

  • June 11, 2003, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Good call, Mori...

    by Otter

    Thanks for the apology, and the dignified explanation.

  • June 11, 2003, 10:51 a.m. CST

    More of the Same

    by soundingbrass

    This is all distraction. People that would pirate movies and steal will continue to do so. People that wouldn't, won't. Legally it is against the law. Morally there is no right or wrong. If it shakes the foundations of the movie industry, sobeit. Evolution is sometimes forced. Moriarty is concerned with his own properties being exploited beyond his control, but will he retain ownership of his movie when it's completed, or will the studios? In either case, copyright only lasts so long. Eventually everything becomes public domain and then anyone can turn a wonderful thing into a horrible thing. Or possibly improve it. The people that view movies early will most likely still see them in the theatre. If they don't, then that means they didn't like the movie to begin with. The people on this site obsess about these movies down to the last detail. There are those who cannot be pleased even if Jesus personally produced, wrote and micromanaged every aspect of a film. There are those who like almost everything that is released, from 2001: A Space Odyssey to Jason X. We come here to be excited by news of movies that might appeal to us. Filter out the distractions.

  • June 11, 2003, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Good for you, Mori

    by Stevo the Cougar

    That was big of you man. Way bigger than I or many people I know could be. Even though I agree with you completly on this issue, the way that you have handled it is admirable. Way to go, and thanks for all you do.

  • June 11, 2003, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Alright then

    by 007-11

    Now we can move on from this, way to go Moriarty.

  • June 11, 2003, 11:07 a.m. CST

    "Pot calling the kettle black" is racist

    by Phronk

    What's wrong with being black? Plus it promotes drug use. Oh yeah, and pots can't talk. .... hey..where the hell am I??/?//

  • June 11, 2003, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Mori you are a class act all the way!

    by Manaqua

    Forget about the naysayers lurking the halls of Talkback. You and Harold rock, and so does this sight. Nuff said.....

  • June 11, 2003, 11:23 a.m. CST

    cut to....moriarty falling to his knees , gasping for air and fi

    by audio vandal

    apology accepted..captain moriarty

  • June 11, 2003, 11:24 a.m. CST

    The authorities are coming for you Drew

    by Syd Mead

    Dude. Thanks for the apology but you just admitted to down loading stuff for free. That's a felony. You're screwed !! Where the hell is McGruff the Crime Dog when you need him? Maybe Drew should do TV commmunity service announcements? "Hey kids, Drew McWeeny here...don't be a pirate like me...it doesn't look good on your resume...Hollywood won't hire you...so take a bite out of my ass...huh... crime !!" Good for you Drew! You're a self admitted thief. There's a 12 step program nearby Moriarty. Lots of them in L.A. Get away from the key board and check one out. Just because you get a pay check now doesn't mean you have stopped personally downloading or looking at illegally obtained material. Are you saying you stopped looking at them or merely stopped reporting on them? Downloads by there nature are crap quality so I could never see the point? Even perfectly legal trailers put out look like junk. And what's up with Harry's last few words on the overly wordy Hulk review? Was that another bitch slap at your readership??? Shame on you sir! Plus Harry admits he won't take his little nephew to the crapper to miss one second of Hulk? He sluffs the poor kid onto Father Geek? What a great uncle you are! I'm amused no end. And wasn't the real reason AICN was started is to pay for a sex change for Harry? That would be a legal enough reason for a guy with serious man-boobs. This has been an entertaining week. Apology accepted, case closed.

  • June 11, 2003, 11:25 a.m. CST

    HEY MORIARTY YOU WERE RIGHT FROM THE BEGINING AND YOU DON'T HAVE

    by thx777b

    FOR ONCE ONE MAN IN HERE TOLD IT HOW IT REALLY IS AND HE GETS ALL THIS SHIT. F*CK THEM IN THE EAR. MORIARTY IS THE KINF AND I AM NOT JUST SUCKING HIS BALLS NOW. MORIARTY IF YOU HAVE ONE ADVISE FROM crazy THX is this: NEVER NEVER ASK SORRY FOR WHAT YOU KNOW YOU ARE RIGHT...

  • June 11, 2003, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Fearsme - SeeThroughThis - EnigmaII - Moriarty READ

    by Super Nova

    First off to Fearsme. If your reading comprehension was really half as good as you try and make it out to be you wouldn't have pulled that small quote out of context to support your bullshit argument. Read the whole paragraph and read the whole article...otherwise you're just another squirrel looking for his nuts. SeeThroughThis - Go fuck yourself and piss up a rope you stupid, loudmouth, cocksucker. EnigmaII - It will never end. Never. Moriarty - It does take a big man to do what you did...and you are definitely a BIG FUCKIN MAN. For anyone who cares, Moriarty bashed that guy Jack Frost for his review of that workprint of The Hulk. Well Jack Frost sent it to me and its a damn fine review of a workprint. Moriarty is one ignorant fuck, thats why I don't buy this apology. Its posted on my website, take a look, www.scorched-planet.blogspot.com

  • June 11, 2003, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Bunch of drama queens =)

    by Kampbell-Kid

    Just to sum all this blown out of porportioned drama up. Lets just look at this in a simple and realistic way here... we all break the copyright laws, we all like to read and can't avoid spoilers, were all are sometimes impatient, and by all means we all know this is very very VERY wrong. BUT! Will we all do it anyway... yea. Do we all care... no. Will we ever stop... of course not, not until were actually stopped. Makes ya think twice about being an artist or celebrity again since ya won't make as much as ya used to. Heck many many centuries long ago "entertainers" were looked down upon as low class trash of society. Whos to say history repeats itself. :)

  • June 11, 2003, 11:40 a.m. CST

    chin up, mori

    by haiku tunnel

    like prison rape, it <> seems like this hell won't end. then, <> a new bitch arrives.

  • June 11, 2003, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Thou shalt not steal

    by Azuma

    I don't think an apology was necessary. You were one hundred percent right the first time, Moriarty. We know you've accessed forbidden material in the past. That doesn't mean you cannot condemn such behavior now. Stick by your guns.

  • June 11, 2003, 12:09 p.m. CST

    amazing............

    by Chief J

    You funny little talkback nerds........ Lambasting Mori for having an opinion on pirating,making the man apologize for his "wrong doings".Why do you guys care so much? Is mori a close friend? Do you guys come here for his personal approval on everything you do? You can say "but chief you dumbass he's a hypocrite!!".And i say to that"so?",because i come here for film reviews and/or movie news.I dont think pirating is a good thing,though i have done it,but just movies that were already out of the theaters and on thier way to dvd.Pirating does effect the film industry whether you like it or not,so stop pretending it doesnt.The Matrix Reloaded is bieng called a failure right now because it has tumbled in the box office.Its not because alot of people didnt like it,but because alot of people went home and dloaded it.So,if you think a movie is worth seeing twice but youd rather dload it,just realize you are hurting the movie you like.Movies are meant to be seen on the big screen,not a pixelated monitor.If i have offended or aggrivated someone, then i must appolo.........ah fuck it you touchy little nerds!

  • June 11, 2003, 12:09 p.m. CST

    amazing............

    by Chief J

    You funny little talkback nerds........ Lambasting Mori for having an opinion on pirating,making the man apologize for his "wrong doings".Why do you guys care so much? Is mori a close friend? Do you guys come here for his personal approval on everything you do? You can say "but chief you dumbass he's a hypocrite!!".And i say to that"so?",because i come here for film reviews and/or movie news.I dont think pirating is a good thing,though i have done it,but just movies that were already out of the theaters and on thier way to dvd.Pirating does effect the film industry whether you like it or not,so stop pretending it doesnt.The Matrix Reloaded is bieng called a failure right now because it has tumbled in the box office.Its not because alot of people didnt like it,but because alot of people went home and dloaded it.So,if you think a movie is worth seeing twice but youd rather dload it,just realize you are hurting the movie you like.Movies are meant to be seen on the big screen,not a pixelated monitor.If i have offended or aggrivated someone, then i must appolo.........ah fuck it you touchy little nerds!

  • June 11, 2003, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Moriarty

    by fookinmonkey

    I had never posted on AICN until I read your Hulk downloading rant and like I said on other threads whilst I dont disagree with your stance I was outraged that you had said it and I called you a hypocrite, no effing no insults nothing about your mom 'just' hypocrite. Now you have apologised, and apologised eloquently, Thank you.

  • June 11, 2003, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Good job Mori. That was admirable.

    by Vegas

    And Indyhu? The difference between Robbins, Sarandon and the Dixie Chicks and this little dustup here is that Mori felt bad about what he said, but Robbins Sarandon and the Dixie Chicks DO NOT, NOR SHOULD THEY. Freedom of speech goes both ways Indyhu. It protects the RIGHT of those who disagree with things you believe to VOICE that right. It cuts both ways. You conservatives have to deal with Michael Moore and the Dixie Chicks, boo hoo you. We liberals have to deal with Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, that Savage guy, and Toby Keith. Boo hoo us. Stop assuming people should have to think twice about voicing dissent against ANY administration. It was okay to voice dissent during the Clinton Administration, and guess what? It's okay to voice dissent during THIS administration.

  • June 11, 2003, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Go Mori Go!

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    You were always my favorite reviewer around the AICN parts, still are :)

  • June 11, 2003, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Better than a pointed stick in the eye

    by WayOutWest

    At least he apologized - even hypocrites know when they've been had - but what will come of it? They will still be posting news and reviews based on materials they are not sanctioned to view. Think I'll check out the Chud and Dark Horizons site - a) I'm sure they can keep their talkbacks in chronological order; b) treat their patrons, the people who put money in their pockets, a little better; c) provide coherent reviews, not based on childhood comic book fantasies.

  • June 11, 2003, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Thanks!

    by roboslut

    Mori- thanks for setting the record straight and understanding why some of us were upset by the hypocritical and mean spirited attack. But its over now..lets get back to talking about how great THE REAL CANCUN is!

  • June 11, 2003, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Mori and Indyhu

    by moviecritic2517

    When are people going to realize there is a world of difference between downloading music and downloading movies. Music only requires that you listen. Movies rrequire a proper lighting, sound, and a format for optimum viewing pleasure. Secondly, don't people know Harry and his band of outlaws are experts at viewing and reviewing bootlegs and pirated films. They know how to review a "workprint" and not dismiss the film as not being ready for mass consumption. When Harry reviewed the rough cut of AOTC he stated he would give the movie proper review when the film came out. All the people who dowloaded the HULK seemed to happy to that the workprint didn't live up to their expectations. Finally, Indyhu can go fuck himself. His rant on the Dixie Chicks, Robbinson and anyone who stands up to a clown of a president was pure bullshit. I think more people on these talkbacks need to concentrate in sniffing all the conservative fuckasses and kicking them the fuck off the web.

  • June 11, 2003, 1:04 p.m. CST

    nice job Moriarty, you did the right thing

    by GrandoCarIissian

    you've earned back at least some of my respect, and hopefully some of the respect of the other readers here.

  • June 11, 2003, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Vegas, my friend

    by indyhu

    I had no problem with them expressing their opinions. What I have issue with is now they are upset that others are upset with their opinions. They don

  • June 11, 2003, 1:18 p.m. CST

    one regret

    by mtoast

    I give Moriarty due respect for his apology and appreciate his honesty. But now the Talkback entertainment factor has dropped by about 900 points. The last couple of days were a fun ride. Now it's all blowjobs and handshakes. Oh well. And to Indyhu: how fuckin' stupid ARE you? (Thank Yoda there are still SOME people determined to be idiots.)

  • June 11, 2003, 1:21 p.m. CST

    This talkback sucks.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Blah blah blah apology blah blah hypocrite blah blah piracy. Look, all I know is I downloaded four songs from "St. Anger" and all four turned out to be fake. Now if that's not a reason filesharing sucks, I don't know what is. sk

  • June 11, 2003, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Such a load of crap

    by Yammertool

    Last week, AICN received a copy of a script stolen from writer Richard O'Sullivan and tried to pass it off as a Joss Whedon original (even though it was just a spec sample submitted to a production company). When AICN was called out for spreading bullshit, instead of acknowledging that they fucked up, their response was to change their tune and put the heat on the writer, disparaging his work as "a blight" (after heaping praise on it a week earlier) and doing everything they could to discredit him so that he couldn't get work in the industry. The only difference between AICN stealing from that writer and all these reviewers downloading the Hulk trailer is that the studios give Harry free gifts and buy him off with trips and fancy trinkets and O'Sullivan (the writer) can't afford to. Harry and AICN have one set of standards for their masters and another for the rest of the world. They've become Hollywood's bitch.

  • June 11, 2003, 1:30 p.m. CST

    RESPECT

    by Darth Thoth

    I have and still do respect you Mori. You still get props by me. We all make mistakes in life. I knew exactly what you meant in your post the other day. It just came out wrong. It takes a real man, like yourself, to see that and apologize. You are forgiven. Keep doing what you do cause you are still the man to me and my movie friends. Your reviews are always classic and professional. I wish you the best of luck in all you do and I will continue to read AICN in part, to hear all you have to say from time to time. Keep it up. Peace and respect.

  • June 11, 2003, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Thank you

    by burningbabyfish

    I can't say you've got carte blanche, but it does take guts to do what you did, Moriarty. Thank you for doing it - even if it just was for the PR aspects of your work.

  • June 11, 2003, 1:37 p.m. CST

    I still think Harry should force Mori to resign.

    by ZO

    Hes obviously at odds with what goes on here. Mori, start your own site up. Do your own thing already.

  • June 11, 2003, 1:43 p.m. CST

    What?

    by JohnnyBarrett

    If you're gonna apologize for something, have the guts to say what you're apologizing for. I have no idea what that post was even about. It was the vaguest post I've ever read. What is Moriarty apologizing for?

  • June 11, 2003, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Good enough for me, Mori.

    by staley

    The only thing worse than the writers of this website talking down to their audience, which is what most people took offense to, are those who feel the need to generalize in the TB (i.e. "When you actually create some art, you'll understand. Get out of your parents basement every once in awhile."). It's safe to say that this website attracts a (fairly) diverse group of intelligent people with diverse opinions, careers, life experiences, etc., and to lump everyone together only succeeds in making that person look like an asshole. And besides, don't most people move out of their parents' place when they turn 18?

  • June 11, 2003, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Well, this sure is the "nicest" talkback I've ever seen!

    by Movie freak

    Everybody seems so sweet and friendly. There are no Hulk Hogan jokes and all is good in the world. I wrote an infuriating remark the other day to every talkbacker in the world, calling you all ignorant, childish fuckers but I too gotta admit now that you are all redeemed. It seemed I was the only sticking up for Moriarty (it might have had something to do with him posting my Dogville and Ken Park reviews - yes, it is I: Drexl) but all you bitches can start workin' for ol' Drexl again. I'll promise not to bitch-slap too hard. Good show Mori!

  • June 11, 2003, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Why apologize?

    by Mahasamatman

    Why can't anybody take a stand anymore? Why's it wrong to say something, to take a firm and definitive position, and then to stand on it? Why's everybody have to say "I'm sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean it, everybody's entitled to their opinion"? There's a pretty good scene in Fatal Attraction, where Glenn Close's character says "I'd have more respect for you if you just told me to fuck off." I kinda feel that way about Moriarity now...

  • June 11, 2003, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Good one, Moriarty

    by timmer33

    Nice post Moriarty. You did the right thing. I want to address some of the posts above (or below?) Firstly, people DID NOT criticize Moriarty for having an opinion. Opinions are like assholes - everyone's got one. What people were upset about in TB was that Moriarty blasted everyone else for doing exactly what he and Harry have been doing for years! That's hypocrisy, and Moriarty himself recognizes that. Moriarty, you should now take some of those Hulk reviews (the ones that talk about STORY and CHARACTER) and post them, because they are still valid reviews and besides, that's what you've been doing for years anyway. Secondly, I still want to know why Harry has gone back to previous RELOADED talkbacks and deleted all his posts (under the Headgeek userid) about why he disliked the film. Doesn't that seem fishy to you guys? Why would he do that? Why go back and "rewrite history?" Is it because he's changed his mind about the film? Does he really love it now? So instead of admitting that he was wrong about the film (like Mori would have done) he goes back and changes what he wrote. Perhaps that's why Harry's Godzilla review no longer exists on this site.

  • June 11, 2003, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Moriarty, are you aware you were quoted from California to Flori

    by Nivek666

    I think you might have damaged public opinion of Hulk just with that.Please rectify this if you can. BTW, I respect you for admitting your mistake. Takes a good guy to admit he f'ed up.

  • June 11, 2003, 2:29 p.m. CST

    where's the latest news about Superman casting

    by GypsyTRobot

    or some other lame-brained studio action sure to generate hilarious outrage? AICN = Aint It Cordial Nattering.

  • June 11, 2003, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Hey, the more people stomp off this site in a huff, and the more

    by film_editor17

    I have officially learned a lesson: in an AICN talkback when no one knows or cares who you are, it's okay to defend someone you agree with. Mori, I was behind you 100% the first time, and while this apology is perhaps unwarranted, it took some serious chutzpah to "admit"/"confess" that "maybe" you were "wrong". (Many quotes = he wasn't). Some people are just too uptight, man. Don't have to get all defensive when no one's going to track you down and kill you anyway. But shame on me for not speaking up against the grain the other day... Out.

  • June 11, 2003, 2:45 p.m. CST

    OK, group hug! Gather 'round, people...

    by CranialLeak

    Apology accepted.

  • June 11, 2003, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Moriarty should be stripped and raped by werewolves

    by Son Of Batboy

    Actually, I couldn't give a rat's ass. Next.

  • June 11, 2003, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Mori.

    by Nordling

    Really, thanks.

  • June 11, 2003, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Moriarty, you had me at "I'm a stinky bitch"

    by Kerrak

    And don't listen to the detractors on this talkback. Not everyone thinks you're gay. Well, I mean, most of us do, but that's just fine with us.

  • June 11, 2003, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Hats off to Moriarty

    by rygel

    It takes a lot of courage to apologise and admitting that you were wrong and i appreciate that.

  • June 11, 2003, 3:34 p.m. CST

    i didn`t take that "shame on you" that serious anyhow

    by drjones

    watching a workprint in a theater is IMO some kind of amazing. downloading that file as 1000s of other folks do is not. i still think it`s pretty philistinish to watch a "supposed to be great" flick the first time on the small computer screen. of course it also ruins a film a bit if you know the script but that`s still different. watching a movie in a theater is the film culture and pays honor to the film as a medium.

  • June 11, 2003, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Isn't that better now?

    by GraveDigger

    See, that wasn't so bad now was it? I for one would like to say thank you to Mori. I'm sure it wasn't easy to post today but I'm glad you did. We are all human. (Some more than others of course) KIDDING!!!!!!!!

  • June 11, 2003, 3:51 p.m. CST

    by Tripman5000

    How about posting some of those reviews then,to give a fair slice of public opinion?Otherwise,people will think twice about sending their exclusives here!

  • The only thing worse than pirated movies, is spending 5 hours downloading one only to find a HULKing black schlong. As for this apology, it could be basically summed up as: Moriarity admits to be wrong, but not sorry, and the only reason it happend in the first place is that he needed a nappy nap. Nothing like a half assed apology that still comes off as a defensive stance, thanks alot asshole.

  • June 11, 2003, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Thank You, Moriarty.

    by Psyclops

    There you go. He apologized, he explained himself, he faced the music in the best way possible and still... some of you want to crucify him. Why? I think he handled it quite well and whether or not it was a genuine response or something he wrote simply to put the fire out (this site was turning into a mob scene over the last few days) the fact remains that he has come forward and answered for his mistakes. He's not going to resign, he doesn't deserve to be flogged or crucified and if he's man enough to admit that he was out of line to everyone on this site then he's alright by me.

  • HeadGeek: I thought you were going to put werewolves in your apology. Moriarity: I'll make it up to you big guy, anythign you want, so do you think they bought it? HeadGeek: Hee hee hee hee. Moriarity: Harry? HeadGeek: Tee hee hee hee. Moriarity: What the hell are you doing? HeadGeek: Watching 'Rochelle Rochelle' with my nephew hee hee hee. Moriarity: Ok.... HeadGeek: He has the cutest boner.

  • June 11, 2003, 4:47 p.m. CST

    "YES! In your face, Bush! Now apologize for the tax hike..."

    by Reedster9898

    ...but you did have a point about people critiquing unfinished special effects. But I could never stay mad at you, sweety.

  • June 11, 2003, 4:49 p.m. CST

    OK OK ALL OF THIS "IT TAKES A BIG MAN" SHIT CAN CEASE!

    by Cannonball

    Yeah...it takes a big fat faceless man to apologize to a zillion nerds via his keyboard. HELLO! Can you people not realize...NOBODY JUST APOLOGIZED! A fuckin cartoon character just said he was sorry. All Mori is doing right now is called "damage control," and half of you fuckin nit-wits are buying it.

  • June 11, 2003, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Mor... Knowles... AIC... you... me... yo momma

    by ZSmooth

    Most big time web guys wouldn't nbother to address their mistakes. Most big time web guys would ignore the flames. Most big time web guys ban and delete all the vicious (and brother, some of you are VICIOUS), insulting, rude, absolutely horrible posts that usually find their way to every talk back (oh sure, they are as enjoyable as hell, but still brutal all the same)about Harry's weight and sexlife and Moriarty's double standard and his sexuality. Most big time web guys wouldn't take a single line of bandwidth to acknowledge their readers. Most of them feel they are "too big" to deal with the readers. Not Harry. Not Moriarty. They let everyone have their say and even respond when called for. They let the personal attacks stay. God bless 'em for it. Great job guys. Big time web guys suck anyway (I should know ;))

  • June 11, 2003, 5:09 p.m. CST

    I accept this apology

    by the G-man

    As noted before, my complaint was not that I thought downloading was OK or legal but that Mori was being a hypocrite. I think Mori listened to that, and similar, complaints and wrote a fair apology.

  • June 11, 2003, 5:35 p.m. CST

    wow. Mori... you really moved me with what you just said.

    by seraphim

    i've always liked reading your columns, but reading this made me see something very human and very brave about you. there's nothing quite so touching and sweetly human than someone saying "hey... i messed up, and i'm sorry." it shows us that part of ourselves we try to hide from others.. even from ourselves. that voice that speaks out in emotion and impulse... that gives a real glimpse into a person's process. even if it's angry and/or "wrong", there's something about a person going back and saying "this was wrong, and this is why it happened." it's incredibly rare for me to put stuff on talkbacks. your rare sense of humanity and sincerity made me want to. you're a good man Mori Brown. *huge hug*

  • June 11, 2003, 5:40 p.m. CST

    If only we could one of these off Harry occasionally...

    by Cash Bailey

    Good play, Mori. Although I think we'd still like an explanation of that REAL CANCUN review.

  • June 11, 2003, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Wow, it's nice to see something like this on this site.

    by minderbinder

    Nice work, Moriarity.

  • June 11, 2003, 6:20 p.m. CST

    "No fancy tapdancing. No digging in to 'prove' that I

    by eraser_x

    I didn't even read Moriarty's original comments, but I can see that apologizing was a good idea. However, as seems to be the norm with public apologies nowaday, Moriarty botched it somewhat by trying to give himself a compliment that roughly says, "hey look everyone, aren't I wonderful for apologizing!?" It reminds me of all those athletes or actors or politicians who, in order to distract from whatever mistakes they made, try to give themselves a medal for doing something completely ordinary that they were supposed to anyhow--e.g., "well, it's not like I'm O.J. and killed my wife". Guess what? You're not *supposed* to kill your wife. And, Moriarty, you're not *supposed* to tapdance and "dig in", so please don't beg to be admired for not tapdancing.

  • June 11, 2003, 6:23 p.m. CST

    A nice honest apology

    by Dopplereffekt

    A nice honest apology I thought. I do tolerate other views, not everyone cheers over downloading, its a fact of life move on. I download lots of music, cheaper than buying a overprice single and save me time, its also good if I want to hear new artists and songs before I shell out on a overpriced album. It works for me and I see nothing wrong, downloading is a fact of life as well and will never be stopped, there will always be ways round bans. Deal with it and accept the reality, life is not going to go back to the old days, its a whole different ball game I guess. Final point, I like the website and will contiue to vist it.

  • June 11, 2003, 6:24 p.m. CST

    A nice honest apology

    by Dopplereffekt

    A nice honest apology I thought. I do tolerate other views, not everyone cheers over downloading, its a fact of life move on. I download lots of music, cheaper than buying a overprice single and save me time, its also good if I want to hear new artists and songs before I shell out on a overpriced album. It works for me and I see nothing wrong, downloading is a fact of life as well and will never be stopped, there will always be ways round bans. Deal with it and accept the reality, life is not going to go back to the old days, its a whole different ball game I guess. Final point, I like the website and will contiue to vist it.

  • June 11, 2003, 6:25 p.m. CST

    A nice honest apology

    by Dopplereffekt

    A nice honest apology I thought. I do tolerate other views, not everyone cheers over downloading, its a fact of life move on. I download lots of music, cheaper than buying a overprice single and save me time, its also good if I want to hear new artists and songs before I shell out on a overpriced album. It works for me and I see nothing wrong, downloading is a fact of life as well and will never be stopped, there will always be ways round bans. Deal with it and accept the reality, life is not going to go back to the old days, its a whole different ball game I guess. Final point, I like the website and will contiue to vist it.

  • June 11, 2003, 6:29 p.m. CST

    "No fancy tapdancing. No digging in to 'prove' that I

    by eraser_x

    As apologies go, these days, Moriarty's was a decent one. However, as seems to be the norm with public apologies nowaday, Moriarty botched it somewhat by trying to give himself a compliment (see subject: above) that roughly says, "hey look everyone, aren't I wonderful for apologizing!?" It reminds me of all those athletes or actors or politicians who, in order to distract from whatever mistakes they made, try to give themselves a medal for doing something completely ordinary that they were supposed to anyhow--e.g., "at least I'm not O.J. and I didn't kill my wife". Guess what? You're not *supposed* to kill your wife. And, Moriarty, you're not *supposed* to tapdance and "dig in", so please don't beg to be admired for not tapdancing; it's unseemly.

  • June 11, 2003, 6:59 p.m. CST

    I think this is the first time anyone on this site(staff or tb'e

    by jules windex

    Nice job Mori. Now just admit this was all a scheme for publicity, to get more hits.

  • June 11, 2003, 7:23 p.m. CST

    (Being Sarcastic) Moriarty is a VERBAL TERRORIST! Send him to Fe

    by Uncle Sam

    KNEEL BEFORE DUBYA BUSH! How dare you defy the opinion of the ignorant majority? Anyone who takes advantage of his God-given right to free speech is ANTI-AMERICAN! Liberals are the ones responsible for the events of September 11th! Anyone who expresses his individuality MUST BE SILENCED! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! Ahem... I mean, maybe Mori should have been a little more careful, that's all. - I WANT YOU, but not in that way.

  • June 11, 2003, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Mighty Brass Balls...

    by BlackBeltJones

    to admit when a mistake was made. And I feel you are right in someways Mori. I think it is just the way you went about saying it. I do the same thing myself at work. Get all heated up about something and instead of cooling down, I fire off an email or a fax. Two minutes later after you realize what is done, you wish you could have it back. My views and yours may be different in regards to file sharing, but it does take a big man to admit he is wrong. Apology accepted.

  • June 11, 2003, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Delicious

    by Archduke_Chocula

    heh, I find it funnier you kept trying to download it from me.......

  • June 11, 2003, 7:33 p.m. CST

    I'm still not giving back

    by The Red One

    my TTT dvd. Never - you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. Of course I'm going to buy the theater version when it comes out and then the directors cut when it comes out - so really they didn't lose anything by me having it. It's my precious.

  • June 11, 2003, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Apology Accepted

    by Savage Lucy

    Thanks for the apology. As one of the people who did send in a review of the work print, I was hella pissed at your reaction. Kind of like having an ethiopian kick you in the sack for giving him a sandwich without Grey Poupon. As far as piracy goes, I work in the video game industry, yet I still download pirated games online. I see piracy as a problem similar to the current Bush regime's attitude toward marijuana. Yes, it's illegal to smoke, but millions of people still do it on a regular basis. Go after the people making tons of money off it, and leave the casual downloader/smokers alone. Hmmm, I've never heard of someone proposing a "Decriminalization" for copyright violations. Sounds like a good idea to me.

  • June 11, 2003, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Well done, Moriarty...

    by Johnny Storm

    You did the right thing.

  • June 11, 2003, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Coming clean is like having sex with large hefty women - it hurt

    by ShortShrtsSherif

    Ahhh, my first AINC talkback post ever!! I've been reading for about a year and always thought the comments were too much elitist hardcore nerd stuff (being that I eat a pound of raw meat a day and spend my freetime pursuing hefty women who can handle my monstrous wang - I am a man! Not a puny geek like all of you.) but the stuff going down on this site lately is too damn good to pass up without chiming in.

  • You can't blame a person for downloading movies/music, when one is poor.

  • June 11, 2003, 9:28 p.m. CST

    And there it is....

    by Cyclone

    Thats all you had to say in my book Mori. Took you a while, but I figured you were going to contemplate for a day or two. Sure, people would continue to bash the hell out of ya for a while (I mean, its the internet, it would happen even if you didnt say what you did) but keep your head up. You did the right thing. As far as I am concerned the issue is closed.

  • June 11, 2003, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Moriarty's Big Fat Harry Balls

    by mediamelt

    Apology accepted you shmuck

  • June 11, 2003, 9:37 p.m. CST

    The damage has been done....

    by POOPIEBUTT

    Don't let Moriarty condescend to you and then backpeddle when he realizes that the readers and talkbackers are going to make or break his screenwriting career. If his scripts get made (MK3, hahaha), he knows that all of us are the ones that would potentially support him more than anyone else. This site would be his sole marketing tool to promote his future endeavors. He has gone over to the dark side. Don't let him fool you with his half-assed apology. He was being flamed on every talkback to apologize, and he knows that he needed to say something to make us stop. I'm still very offended, and all you should be too. He thinks that he is the shepard, and we are his sheep.

  • June 11, 2003, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Mor

    by lonecow

    Who gives a flying monkey. Mori is the best reviewer on here. He put up images of the new Eva movie, and he gave a brilliant review of Matrix. Downloading stuff is wrong, even music, it is destroying the music industry, but I think most people would rather see a Movie on the big screen, as opposed to a crappy bootleg, or even a good bootleg, but it is still wrong. And I still do it. Humans are hypocrites. Get used to it. Did you see the pictures of the EVA in the tank? AWESOME!

  • June 11, 2003, 10:07 p.m. CST

    http://www.freeaicn.com/ <-- for those of you who said i wouldn

    by mediamelt

  • June 11, 2003, 10:19 p.m. CST

    AICN is still Hollywood's Q.A.

    by Jedi_matt2000

    You know, I've met Drew "Moriarty" McWeeny, and he is just as human as the rest of us. He is actually a really friendly guy, too. It just seems foolish to me that so many people use the internet to make themselves anonymous and hide themselves. Obviously I am doing this at this very moment, but if you want to meet this fellow geek in person, by all means I can't see why not (but then I can't see why, either, that it is/would be necessary at this very second, other then to show I can back up what I say, but that is so besides the point in any event). Anyway, back to my point. Anonymity takes away the value of real human interaction. If you sat down and talked face-to-face with Moriarty you would realize that he can mess up just like the rest of us. People try hard to make their mark in this world. So, here Drew has been privileged by the happenstance and machinery of this on-line world to stand in such a position as to have a voice and be heard by a large number of people. But the problem is, just as we do in the real world, as soon as some one slips up he or she loses their "authority" over that which they have been given some standing in, and we all cry foul. At least in our heads they lose that position, anyway. But, if you need to use the mask of the internet as your anonymous way of cussing out some one you feel has done you wrong, that just seems so ineffectual and wasteful to me. No matter what Drew says, he says it with some degree of thought, and I know he doesn't need to bring things down to grade-school cussing. I suppose Kevin Smith was right when he posited that the cussing talk-backers of his Movie Poop Shoot in that film about Jay and Silent Bob were just kids. I really wonder how many kids log-in to this and just cuss away. C'mon, already. But, in any case, I understand that that is bound to happen. What I have learned by all of this, is, just as much of the rest of the world has become so gray when it comes to certain areas of morality, such as sexuality or the importance of family or corporate and political honesty (well, political dishonesty is nothing new, no doubt) or anything else, now the net has even blurred the reception of "Thou shalt not steal". I don't pretend to be the morality police, and Drew really seemed to goof by trying to cast stones when there was more or less blood already on his garments, let's remember that we all need to check our heads sometimes. I am no saint, but I'll pay for that which many people work hard to produce. BUT, if, in this on-line "democratic" realm that has been opened up forcefully upon the commercial entities of film production by men like Harry Knowles, some little varmit does get his or her hands on something "cool" (remember why this site was established in the first place, as a digital democracy with which to show the men and women who give the greenlights what we'll really go see) but anyway, IF something cool is out there, then by all means make it known. If you find out that there are going to be Backstreet Boys in a movie you are planning/deciding on seeing or not seeing, then tell AICN and everyone else. That is "cool" to do. Ain't that the cool kinda thing this site exists for? If you find out there is going to be a movie about the Transformers made, then, yes! Have at it! What AICN has created is a dread-worthy (to execs) ADVANCE word-of-mouth establishment that can and will effect opening grosses, and the studios all know it. So, follow the "cool" pulse here studios (like guys like Peter Jackson and such have done, and yet have still firmly stuck to their own visions, actually allowing them more freedom with those that finance them) and you can expect your film to do just fine. I do not advocate anything illegal taking place, but word of mouth is word of mouth. If Harry reads a script for JAWS 3000 we should be able to know about it, but not have our own copies. It's all about the cool. Tell me something cool and stop the muckraking already! I mean that in a nice way, though. I like Drew and Harry Knowles and this site and the whole concept. But don't steal that which isn't yours. Your words are the only legal thing you have. If you see it, hear it, learn about it, go ahead and witness! But please don't go about things illegally. Can there actually be a law against my telling someone something cool I've learned through entirely innocent means? I suppose if there truly is, well then there goes the first amendment. Let's bring back the cool, people. Please. Just stop breaking the law. There are plenty of joes and janes out there who work hard to make a living here in L.A. and elsewhere, and the last thing they need is a pink slip because a script was stolen or there was trespassing late at night or movies are being distributed without compensation to those that made the movie, or whatever else. AICN, unfortunately, is a TELL ME, DON'T SHOW ME kinda place. When you start showing the actual goods, and you are not legally supposed to be in possession of those goods, then Drew is right to say shame. But when little birdies do their whispering, and all that kinda of secretive off the record kinda stuff, that seems fine, because it's nothing anyone is physically selling. That is what this site should exist for. Movie gossip alone. That is our way of reacting to the product while in production. WE AS AICN FANS ARE THE QUALITY ASSURANCE OF HOLLYWOOD. But nobody needs to break the law for that to happen, right? Someone please let me know. Thanks. I don't pretend to know everything, but I'd like to understand, just like a fine sit down with a guy like Moriarty would do those of us who are too quick to judge him might do. He's only human. Just like George Lucas or the Wachowskis or anyone else. They are actually trying to make you happy, so give them a break. If you don't like it, move on to something you do. There are plenty of things to be attached to. Call a girl! Yikes! Wash your car. Make a sandwich. Go for a jog. You get it. From one loser to another, I say it.

  • June 11, 2003, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Moriarty is the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet

    by Eaglet

    Wow, my first TB post, and I'm already doing lame call-back jokes. Good job, Mori, I respect you for coming clean in a post like this, even if I agree with your first post, it is good of you to come back with an apology, because you WERE rather harsh, and it seemed a tad (okay, more than a tad) hypocritical. Still, good show, McWeeney, and I look forward to your next review.

  • June 11, 2003, 11:25 p.m. CST

    apology accepted

    by McLuvin

    now lets ditch all this drama and get to some COOL NEWS

  • June 11, 2003, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Why am I banned?

    by POOPIEBUTT

    j

  • June 12, 2003, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Piracy and why apologizing for calling a privateer a pirate is w

    by JasonDkEldar

    Privateers are pirates, too. John Paul Jones was an American hero, interdicting British shipping and sinking merchant marine vessels. This is piracy. Being sponsored by the government made it legal at the time but it WAS piracy. PLUS, it was only legal after the peace treaties were signed and all actions of combatants were excused, save the treasonous actions of a few, legitimately betraying the country they were due to serve. Intelligence agencies are by definition illegal combatants and are offered NO protection under the Geneva convention by other countries, but we as American people offer the protection of military justice to illegal combatant terrorist operatives, acting in a manner that would have them disappeared from the field of play in nearly every country, modern or backward, in the globe. Pirating software, films, music, and printed(yes puter screen files are considered this) matter is simple, convenient, quick, but is it right? When you do it for yourself or a friend, even though it is loophole-friendly behavior, it is still violating the spirit of the law. That is why this apology offends. Spirit of the law is based on the principle that selfish behavior in nearly every instance violates the spirit of everyone else, breaking the universal moral code, Do unto others what you would have them do unto you. Would you want to work for hours and hours to have someone take it away and make it their own without exchanging something they in turn labored to bring about? It is why socialism fails, why quotas in education bring hard feelings, not liberated education, and why apologizing for telling someone that rooting in pig manure is a stinky job is silly, Moriarty. If they would rather you lift their noses from the pigpen and plug their nasal cavity so they can continue rooting in poo after they are reminded it stinks, then you should have the sense not to indulge them. They WON'T stop adding clicks to the site, they won't stop geeking over movies(the ones that are geeks and not mudslingers that is), and they won;t change their site-bashing either. They have agendas, just like every marketing weasel who calls you up with the next angle they want to con you into buying into. Reviewing pics and scripts is quite unlike publishing vast parts of said script or engaging in theft of prints that will end up sold to some Hong Kong distributor with an attitude. Take the high road back and never apologize for reminding people when they are rooting in the pig's buttocks for their next taste of ham.

  • June 12, 2003, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Mahasamatman is completely correct, and MORIARTY, DO NOT be afra

    by aceattorney

    I hate it that you cannot make a judgment call nowadays without some jackass flaming YOU for exactly what they're doing to you.

  • June 12, 2003, 12:17 a.m. CST

    A Big Man?

    by TheDarkness

    "It takes a big man to do what you just did?" That's pure crap. Number one thing on that is you can't be a big man if you can't even use your real name on an internet site where every reader knows what it is anyway. He's just making excuses because he caused a shit storm, period. Welcome to Hollywood fatboy, learnin' to play the game. How can McWeeny ever hope to get a good opening weekend for his shit opus film if his bread and butter is pissed off at him? Lame. So Goddamn lame, McWeeny. You are such a joke, man. You and your temper have never gone anywhere. You've been a condesceding prick as long as I can remember so don't try to lay this blanket of smarmy shit on me. Let the other lemmings here lap it up, so you can get some of their $$$ for your utterly pointless endeavor into filmmaking.

  • June 12, 2003, 12:18 a.m. CST

    You still owe us one for that REAL CANCUN review, Mori.

    by Cash Bailey

  • June 12, 2003, 12:19 a.m. CST

    THIS PEOPLE, IS WHAT MAKES A LEADER! IF ONLY GEORGE BUSH AND ALL

    by TheGinger Twit

    You have proven to me that it truely is better to admit your mistake, appologise and accept responcibility, than to brush us off and look for new meat. keep it up old chum!

  • June 12, 2003, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Sarandon, Robbins, Michael Moore are among the finest Americans

    by beamish13

    they're among the last of a dying breed: the intelligent, informed, patriot. They care too much about America to let it go to hell(which it has, I'm afraid).

  • June 12, 2003, 1 a.m. CST

    Tim Robbins is hot

    by Brimacombe

    I wish I was Susan Surandon.

  • June 12, 2003, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Freeloading motherfuckers

    by hairyarse

    Why would you apologize? The problem is everyone thinks everything should be free now simply because it's on the internet. I'm glad you mentioned Napster. I supported Metallica for their stance. If I had taken the time, effort, dedication and devotion to creating something of my own and try to grind out a living from it, I doubt I'd be too impressed to find out some bloodsucking parasite had posted some crummy half-baked copy of it on the web for EVERYONE to download it for nothing!! Surely practically EVERYONE who enters this website dreams of making a living from their own project. La-la land for sure, for most of us but still a dream. Everyone forgets the studios are doing YOU a service by making a movie in the first place! JUST FUCKIN' WAIT TO GO SEE THE MOVIE JESUS CHRIST! YOU CAN'T WAIT A FEW WEEKS?!!! Losers.

  • June 12, 2003, 1:49 a.m. CST

    OK, OK, ALL OF THIS "IT TAKES A BIG MAN" SHIT CAN CEASE

    by Cannonball

    Yeah...it takes a big fat faceless man to apologize to a zillion nerds via his keyboard. HELLO! Can you people not realize...NOBODY JUST APOLOGIZED! A fuckin cartoon character just said he was sorry. All Mori is doing right now is called "damage control," and half of you fuckin nit-wits are buying it.

  • June 12, 2003, 1:57 a.m. CST

    FUCKING A !!! THIS WEBSITE IS BACK ON TRACK!!!

    by Rcamacho2278

    FUCKEN A I SAID!!!!!!

  • June 12, 2003, 2:35 a.m. CST

    You Mindles fucking sheep

    by BenderRules!

    This is all a PUBLICITY STUNT. The guy tested his "apology" in the chud.com forums before he cut and paste the same "apology" here. Who knew that internet was full of gullible dumbasses. The only thing that pisses me off is that if you are going to make that kind of bold statement, STICK BY IT! He ment what he said, and just apologized so the site wouldn't lose clicks. And the same spineless fucks who wanted him banned and promised to leave the site, are giving Heather from Ideepthroat.com a run for her Blowjobs skills with the cocksucking going on in this thread. If you are going to make a bold statement, be MAN enough to standby it.

  • June 12, 2003, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Cool! So I can get a shitty looking website and write a bunch of

    by Sea Bass

    Well I do anyway so it's not necessary.

  • June 12, 2003, 3:51 a.m. CST

    my 2 cents [insert obligatory Hulk Hogan joke here]

    by ErichRino

    OK, i gotta say this about downloading - I get most of my music off the web. Why? because I don't wanna pay twenty bucks for a CD with 1 or 2 good songs and 60 minutes of filler on it. Why bother?..... However, i do still buy the occasional CD, if it's someone like Springsteen. Why? You know that with Springsteen, Weird Al, U2 and the likes, they're going out of their way to insure you get a great CD from beginning to end..... Sometimes, I'll download a few songs, and realiza that I'm really needing to buy the CD. Case in point, Queens Of The Stoneage. I downloaded "No One Knows", "Go With The Flow", and another. I was so impressed with what I heard that I went and bought the CD. I am not sorry I did that. I found a great group, based on downloads, and gave them my money willingly..... As for movies, the only ones I download are porn. You never know what you're going to get when you try for a current film. But with porn, even if it's not the one you wanted, chances are you'll be happy..... As for Moriarty's apology, I've been in the position where I did something very bad, due to a major lack of sleep and the inability to leave my computer. The Jack Daniel's didn't help, either. Anyway, once I realized what I had done, I made a full, public apology. While the bad feelings for what I had done were still there, making the apology the way I did was a large step in getting things the way they were..... To those who claim to be offended by his remarks and don't buy his apology, then there is nothing that will make you feel better. If you think you need to leave AICN over this, then go. Be well, be happy, and don't let the door hit you in the ass.

  • June 12, 2003, 4:08 a.m. CST

    talkbacks are the scariest thing on the internet

    by Vern

    Can you imagine what a pain in the ass it would be to be Harry or Moriarty and have all of these seriously deranged people obsessing over everything they do? There's no way I could do it, I would quit. Harry and Moriarty both seem to be nice guys (I've met them both briefly) and even if they get bigheaded on occasion I think they both realize that what they do is not all that important to the world. It's just a fun way to make a living. Something they are passionate about and lucky to get paid for. Unfortunately there are hundreds of insane fuckwads out there (most of them appearing in this talkback) who disagree. They feel their lives depend on this web sight. They are to this web sight as Osama bin Laden is to the Koran. They treat it way too seriously and see things in it that no sane person would see. They hate Harry and Moriarty and yet they stay up late at night poring through transcripts of their chats and archives of their old articles trying to find somethitng to stick them with. If they could follow them around with hidden cameras and microphones, search through their garbage and panty drawers, they would do it. They check in every day, read every article, and funnel all of their anger into these talkbacks. Some of them even create their own web sights simply to bash the Ain't It Cool News. This to me is kind of disturbing. A reasonable person would realize that this is not a worthwhile use of any human being's time. A year or two from now you will look back and think, holy shit, what was my fucking problem? It's like being an angry "Weird Al" Yankovic. "Yeah, it's like Ain't It Cool News, only it's about how much I hate the people who make Ain't It Cool News." If you have time to make your own web sight MAKE YOUR OWN WEB SIGHT. Don't just make it in opposition to somebody else's. In other words, what the fuck man. I mean come on, Harry is a guy who made a very popular web sight about movie reviews and movie news. You're trying to do an expose on him! Okay Woodward and Bernstein, you did it, you blew the lid off the Harry visited the set of The Grinch scandals. You have changed the world. I mean come on I know this is an uphill battle but I'm trying to reach you deranged fuckers. Which I mean in a kind way. I care about you little freakos. Get it together. You're like that kid in TREKKIES complaining about the width of the stripe on the uniform. I mean come on, time to move on. Unplug your computer, maybe even throw it out the fuckin window. Go outside, take a long walk and think about what you were put on this earth to do. How can you contribute to our society and culture? Or what can you do to make yourself happy? This is obviously something you need to start thinking about because you are fuckin blowin it boys. You are not happy and you are not doing anything worthwhile with your life. I'm serious. Let's do this. We're gonna change your lives. If you need someone to talk to you know where to find me. We're all here for you little bitches. http://www.geocities.com/outlawvern

  • June 12, 2003, 4:13 a.m. CST

    classy move Moriarty...

    by son of jango

    It takes a big man to admit he's made a mistake. No need to apologize to me because I pretty much agree with you. Personally I don't see understand the big fucking geekgasm these pirates get from downloading an unwatchable, unfinnished, pixelated peice of shit. I'd rather go to the cinemas and pay for quality than steal "free" garbage. I wouldn't have apologized if I was in your position becuase you weren't wrong in your opinion and you don't really owe the talkbackers jack. I also don't have a website and probably wouldn't have one for very long. You did the classy move and I salute you.

  • June 12, 2003, 6:38 a.m. CST

    He said Sorry ... What do you want

    by glavin99

    Hi I read the apology and I think its ok. What do you want slit writs? To those who say don't forgive, why not leave and take YOURSELF with you. If you don't want peope trying to tell you what to do don't try to tell others. If people want to stop coming to this place they can decide it for themselves. I need NEWS. COOL NEWS. AINT it sweet. along-for-the-ride

  • June 12, 2003, 7:19 a.m. CST

    It takes a big man etc

    by fevriul

    Whether I agree with you or not, respect.

  • June 12, 2003, 7:20 a.m. CST

    It takes a big man etc

    by fevriul

  • June 12, 2003, 7:20 a.m. CST

    I thought it was nice honest apology

    by Dopplereffekt

    I thought it was nice honest apology. People have different views on downloading music, some like it some don't accept this and move on. I myself download a lot of music, the music industry cannot win this tide of downloads, there will always be ways round copywrite laws and newer and better music sharing programmes will be developed which are hard to trace, it is not going to go away quickly. Its here to stay.

  • June 12, 2003, 7:26 a.m. CST

    MCWEENY 'APOLOGIZED' ON the chud site BEFORE HE WENT COPY/PASTE

    by Stokowski

    http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=010142;p=3 . I find this very funny, for he simply placated you all with something he wrote on a fucking message board! A Chud message board!! Man, those asslickers there think they are the elite. Okay, they are, but still, they're AICN leftovers and they know it. And Mori: YOU ARE THE PUNCHLINE OF THE JOKE THAT AICN IS BECOMING. And shame on you(!) for that.

  • June 12, 2003, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Moriarty you're a flucking coward

    by hatchling

    I just read your sniveling retraction of your brave comments on movie piracy. Shame on you for backtracking. The original piece had me cheering for your bravery. Your retraction had me booing your cowardice. It is so obvious that you received some criticism from within geekdom.... perhaps from others within AICN. Whatever...I've lost all respect now that you've backed down. Movie piracy is so serious, so insidious and that the only way to stop it is to address the viewers sensibilities as to why it shouldn't be done. You did that. Then you backed off and said, I'm just kidding.... go ahead, it's not really harming the film industry. Piracy is bad not because it might cut into the huge salary demands and profits of those making films....it's bad because of what's going to be done to stop piracy. Our freedom to do as we wish with properly purchased media is in jeapordy... self destructing DVD's, licencing TIVO, endoding, and all the other draconian measures being proposed are what worries me. Piracy is theft. Don't buy, don't watch.

  • June 12, 2003, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Vern: i would expect as much from a communist bastard like you

    by mediamelt

    From verns GEOCITIES *snicker like a lil-girl* website: "Hey folks. I haven't written since the war began. I spent the first week protesting and the weeks since banging my head against a wall hoping if I do it hard enough my country will come back." OMG: yea, your doing much better in life, standing on city streets protesting a war you cannot and did not stop. You FUCKING DRIP, you are no better than Mori was a couple of days ago. Preaching down to people and judging others like you did in your post. I am outraged. You are just as mucg of a hypocrit as Mori is. Heres anothe GEM from VERN's site: "If you have time to make your own web sight MAKE YOUR OWN WEB SIGHT. Don't just make it in opposition to somebody else's." Hmmm... how come you have all this ANTI-BUSH drivel all over your site then? Why did you make a site in "opposition" to his policies and practices. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black ONCE-A-FUCKING-GAIN! NOW I AM SPEAKING TO ALL TBer's OUT THERE: If you have learned only one thing from Mori's mistake and subsequent apology it should be this... DON'T FUCKING JUDGE OTHER FUCKING PEOPLE. YOUR SHITE STINKS, MY SHITE STINKS. YOU SAY POTATO, I SAY PO-TA-AH-TO. And I leave you with one more gem from VERN's GEOCITIES *snicker again lile a lil-girl* site: "First we gotta stop it from getting worse, then we'll figure out how to make it better." Finally we agree on something VERN... QUIT FUCKING JUDGING PEOPLE YOU ASS --melt out

  • June 12, 2003, 11:29 a.m. CST

    aceattorney

    by staley

    C'mon man, that's not the point. I think most people were pissed (I was more amused) at the fact that there was a healthy serving of hypocrisy and talking-down in the rant.

  • June 12, 2003, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Moriarty, you have done a good thing

    by Spacesheik

    Excellent post. I know it wasn't easy.

  • June 12, 2003, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Hey, Ace

    by TempusFugitive

    To quote you: "I hate it that you cannot make a judgment call nowadays without some jackass flaming YOU for exactly what they're doing to you." Well now see, that's exactly the point. Moriarty was doing exactly that. Flaming people for doing something that not only has he done, but which has contributed to his "success". Very few people we angry with him for coming out against piracy, it was the finger-wagging holier-than-thou fucking attitude he copped while doing it. This site thrives on the kind of thing he was spouting "Shame! Shame!" about. Do as I say, not as I do = hypocrite.

  • June 12, 2003, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Very very very good.

    by slayage

    Apology accepted. : )

  • June 12, 2003, 8:23 p.m. CST

    "Eff him"...

    by The Someday Man

    Mori has finally crumbled under the faux-power bestowed upon him by Harry Knowles. I guess I missed the post explaining that he now has the right to discipline us. I mean, shit. I come here for MOVIE NEWS. If I wanted a life lesson, I'd catch a "Full House" marathon. Shame on you, Mori. In Peace, The Someday Man PS: I paid $35 (after coke, popcorn, and tickets) to see "Bruce Almighty" with my girl on opening night. I promptly went home, downloaded a cam file, and enjoyed the hell out of it. Then, the following weekend, I paid $35 to see that funny bastard again. I download movies because I LOVE MOVIES. But I also go to the theater because I LOVE MOVIES. Most of us download AND pay. It's not always one way or the other, you pretentious fuck.

  • June 12, 2003, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Nice post, but we're still going to pirate the hell out of Morta

    by joeblowe

    You made your bed now lie in it.

  • June 13, 2003, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Still a hypocrite, concerning piracy

    by joeblowe

    He still thinks people who pirate movies on the net are bad, and yet STEALING is how he got onto this site in the first place. Thieves are what make this site what it is.

  • June 13, 2003, 2:04 a.m. CST

    AICN-Back-Peddle-Meter.... Now only 29.99! S&H Not Included.

    by KryptonsLastSon

    I was wondering how many days it would take for the apology, or complete back-peddle. I was betting on back-peddle, but was surprised by a weak defense of his position and an apology for being an ass about it to everyone. Well I'm not sure if I resepct him more or less now...

  • June 13, 2003, 2:09 p.m. CST

    ANOTHER APOLOGY from Moriarty!!! Wow, he's got issues.

    by Neil MacAuley

    To the guy who said he thinks it's the first time anyone's apologized: no, not even close -- Moriarty has apologized on a number of occasions before -- for errors, bad factchecking, and bad attitude. If the contributors to this site, especially the ones who are full-time paid employees, like I assume Harry and Moriarty are, would actually approach the job as a JOB and themselves as PROFESSIONALS, then maybe they wouldn't let their "bad day/lack of sleep/bad judgement" get in the way. Maybe if they kept themselves to regular business hours rather than filing stories at 4 AM? Maybe if they had a policy of showing their columns to at least 2 editors before publication, the quality and content would be stronger. There's an idea. Would YOUR boss be content to hear you say you're sorry for the tenth time and that you let lack of sleep and grumpiness and lack of judgement get in the way of your work...again? That you went ahead with a report spontaneously, without checking with him or any other supervisor first? No, you'd have your ass reamed and maybe fired. But that doesn't happen here...because this isn't a REAL company/job. It's a website that usually on the surface to our eyes appears to be handled very professionally but from what I can glean from various articles over the years -- it's actually compiled through chaos, half-truths and the worst scheduling and communication in the history of publication. I don't know why I even waste my words on this, it's going to happen again and again as Moriarty's flaws and problems stem from his own lack of character and insistence on walking into the same personal and professional pungi pit again and again and never learning from his mistakes. And the typos and grammatical horrors will continue and the controversies over piracy, libel and bad fact-checking will continue. But you know what? Every now and then they pull off a great story like the teens doing the shot-for-shot remake of Raiders (notice this wasn't Moriarty's story) -- and that's why I keep coming back. Also, because I love to say I HATE MORIARTY!!! Macauley out.

  • Aug. 4, 2003, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Hey Arnie

    by Rogerborg

    How come you're talking to kids about how bad drugs are when the only reason you're in a position to do so is because you spent years scarfing horse steroids?

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