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What is wrong with downloading a movie early'

Harry here... Well Moriarty certainly stirred up the shit yesterday didn't he?

Is there a double standard, a certain level of hypocrisy when it comes to condemning the widespread piracy of film via the internet when often times Moriarty and myself come into contact with materials that we shouldn't be seeing early, by most accounts?

There is, definitely. No denying it. When you enter the profession of "Film Reporter and Commentator" it becomes your "Job" to get an advance look at film. I get sent by publicists, agents, actors, writers, directors, executives a lot of screeners to watch and evaluate. Often times - they don't tell the rest of their company that they are arranging for me to see something, sometimes they do. When John McTiernan picked me up in that Private Jet and took me to New York to see ROLLERBALL early - MGM didn't know, and when I showed up at that screening, they liked to have died. The color collectively drained from their faces. When I cross-dressed to get into an early screening of ME, MYSELF & IRENE - I walked right by Bill Mechanic - it was classic. When I walked into that hotel room and saw Episode 2 last year, I was scared shitless, but was assured that the copy I was seeing would be returned. I never touched that tape, never made a copy, didn't even want a copy - and it was a lousy fucking way to see the movie. It was exciting. Thrilling. One helluva charge. But ultimately - I wish I had seen the film on the big screen surrounded by friends and other geeks, rather than having two alleged LFL employees staring at me the whole time. BUT - getting the story is the whole bottom line.

However, I take the trust that folks put in me very seriously - and the materials I get don't spread after me. When a script is sent to me, via an agent, producer, director, writer, executive or what not - and I'd say 9 times out of 10 it is one of those fellas - well after I read it, the script is either shredded or included in my collection. It isn't copied and sent on. If a writer that writes for AICN wants to write a review of that material - they sit in my house and they read it here. That's why I refer to my home as Geek Headquarters.

Those that have read AICN for 7 years now, may have noticed that we don't post links to scripts, we don't post links to full features and you may remember that the first piece written about the problem of Film Piracy online was written by me - over 5 years ago. I remember Variety and Hollywood Reporter telling me that I was lying - that you can't download movies off the internet. They asked me how and I explained it, and even after explaining it to them, they couldn't figure it out. Now - However - it is a different animal altogether. There's whole websites dedicated to alerting folks when a new "pirated" film is online, they rate the quality of the image, sound and film and provide screengrabs from the feature.

Is it an absolute evil?

Actually - I see it as forcing Hollywood towards massive advances in technology and release patterns... which is both great and bad.

First - we're beginning to see globalized release dates for high profile gotta see films like MATRIX RELOADED, X2, LORD OF THE RINGS, STAR WARS. This is great for a community of film lovers that read about movies collectively on sites like mine, Dark Horizons, CHUD, etc. For the first several years of AICN - I used to be deluged with email from folks in countries all over the world that absolutely hated having to wait for releases. Now - that process is speeding up.

Second - To help facilitate a world wide quality control and release, we're seeing DIGITAL PROJECTION and DISTRIBUTION occurring. The 2K projector is going to begin debuting - and there's word that a 4K projector may be happening which will give astonishing clarity far better than regular film projection - that never scratches, never fades and is always beautiful. Essentially this is the death of film as the delivery system by which we see movies - digital will be the future, no matter how much traditionalists whine.

Third - Piracy greatly helps people in regions that never could see films before, to see them. I've gotten many letters from movie geeks in remote areas of Africa that have never in their lives seen a movie in a theater. They fully love and embrace piracy as a way to see the movies... at all. It is inspiring these folks to want to make movies, to partake in the medium. It is giving them a reference and lust for film that people in their areas never had before. Frankly - that's pretty cool.

Fourth - One could claim that it forces the studios to "make better movies" that will inspire folks that are watching these things online - to want to see these movies on the Big Screen. However, at the same time - it hurts little films, because the companies that pick up films like the recent MAY, THE EYE or HERO - the distribution companies know that their real money is in DVD release - because the risk of the film playing in a theater may result in a copy being released and all of a sudden putting money into advertising may result in a profit loss, due to raising the profile of the film, thus increasing its odds of appearing online. This has begun to happen.

Fifth - It adds inconveniences to the theatrical experience like... Metal detectors and security guards with Night Vision Goggles watching the audience. Personally - I hate the idea of movie theaters become part of a police state, and I loathe the concept of a diminishing theatrical experience occurring.

Ultimately I know that that the movies that are in the highest demand are still going to make serious money at the box office. Just look at the wild success of X2, MATRIX RELOADED, FINDING NEMO, BRUCE ALMIGHTY, etc... All of them had copies online in advance of their day of release - and box office records have been falling by the wayside.

What online piracy is hurting isn't opening weekends - it's the length that many good films play. Film geeks - folks like you and me. We tend to obsess over films, watching them over and over and over again. In the old days, you'd sneak buddies into drive-ins in the trunk of your car. When I was a teenager you'd sneak from film to film at a multiplex. Now, thanks to Online Pirates - its a click away.

And I fully expect Hollywood to adapt. I've already gone to screenings this summer where I had to leave my cel phone in the car, had to go through metal detectors, I've even been patted down - just imagine - online piracy has caused some poor soul to have to physically pat my disgusting fat carcass to make sure that underneath a gigantic roll of fat, I don't have a high quality digital camera in hiding. Think about that poor underpaid servant for the man and the years of trauma this is all giving him.

DVD has already become the medium by which we usually get to see the original director's vision for films - because studios are too nervous to release the "edgier" versions to theaters when "softer" versions will allow the "family" market in which they know are not as active in the piracy world. Yet.

So where do I come down on Internet Film Piracy?

I know the pros and cons of it. I can see the fear in the studios, artists, writers and contributors to the medium. I can see the evolution of the medium continuing, and because I'm very familiar with the history of cinema and the fear that Television would destroy film, and knowing that it instead led to Technicolor, Cinemascope and 3-D. When Home Video came about - I remember the death knells being sounded then - and I know that THX & DIGITAL SOUND and Theatrical Quality went into motion. And I know that the world of Movies will come out of this with improvements that I can only guess about right now. I imagine counterfeiting precautions will begin in prints where the frame rate will be changed to create a strobing on the Video Cameras that they can't be adjusted for - and it will slow things down for a while. That Cameron helps create the Digital 3D camera to improve 3-D in cinemas. That's just the immediate reaction I'm seeing... oh, and the studios themselves working on a high quality digital delivery of first run films on demand.

The key thing that I agree with Moriarty about with the current HULK Work Print is this... MANY of the reviews we got that were based on ONLINE Work Print reviews complained of shoddy CG - editing problems and sound issues - and frankly - when the final film is in release and beginning to be screened, I'm not going to be running reviews of an incomplete inferior copy of the film, when hell... I saw the final film 3 days before the Work Print was released. It isn't about "serving the studios" it's about serving the audience. People like you deserve to hear about the best version of the film that people have seen currently, not a inferior version. As for Moriarty's "Shame on you!" Well, it was too close to Christmas and lots of people are letting their enthusiasm to see the movie NOW get in the way. Hell... we can all understand it, I'm not going to scream "Shame at you" for it, but I am going to recommend seeing this movie as soon as possible on the big screen - because... well you haven't seen THE HULK - till you see him whupping ass on the big screen. And I also know most of you don't even need me to tell you that or any of this. But I saw that many of you wanted me to chime in on this subject, so I have.

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  • June 10, 2003, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Not first

    by dangarry

    I am not first

  • June 10, 2003, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Let the issue rest already...

    by SoulOnIce

    Kudos to Harry...

  • June 10, 2003, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Dear Sir

    by Glynyfaron

    You have clearly sat on the fence for so long that the iron has entered your soul.

  • "First, brother."

  • June 10, 2003, 9:22 a.m. CST

    ugh, why do we keep coming back to this place?

    by hager

  • June 10, 2003, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Well alright then.

    by Neon Jesus

    Harry, I don't know if this is going to fuel the fires or quench their thirst. I think only a response from Moriarty himself or God will stop them now. So...how about all that movie news we come to the site about?!?!

  • June 10, 2003, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Well Said Mr Knowles

    by Fearsme

    I agreed with Mori in principle, as i agree with the statements youve made here. Yes, i was one of many crying HYPOCRITE at someone on AICN bitching about people seeing things early. My point was taht a great portion of his complaint talked about legality and such, but then you have a critic who has posted excerpts from a screenplay (the Superman Script Review) which is both illegal (since he didnt have permission to have the copyrighted script nor the legal ability to print excerpts into this form of media) and falls under bad form in terms of business ettiquette, sohis criticism comes across as hypocritical. I love this site, and dig the people who work on it, but i think you guys kind of created this monster (i.e. people sending reviews based on WAY too early versions of the film), so why are you surpsised when people start reviewing bootlegs. Just my 2 cents, for whatever its worth

  • June 10, 2003, 9:23 a.m. CST

    There is nothing wrong with downloading movies early.

    by AshokReloaded

    There's nothing wrong with downloading films early. First of all... if a film is REALLY worth watching on the big screen, like Matrix Reloaded, people will go see it regardless of whether or not a DVD SCREENER is posted early. Really, who gives a crap if people get the Hulk workprint to check it out. Because yes, the plot is only so-so. And yes the special effects suck. And no, the studio isn't going to go from Shrek gfx to Matrix 1 quality sfx by Hulk's release date. If people don't feel the film is worth paying for, that's their business. The only people whining about piracy is losers who like to act like crybabies because they don't know how to use IRC, Usenet, or have no access to FTP dump sites. Don't worry I'll be PAYING to see Matrix Revolutions and Kill Bill --- but Hulk was only worth a simple download --- in my opinion.

  • June 10, 2003, 9:24 a.m. CST

    one simple point

    by Thin Red

    I dont want to see reviews of any film where they've been downloaded, or seen a pirated copy of - ANYTHING. i only want genuine reviews of the finished article. no work prints.

  • June 10, 2003, 9:24 a.m. CST

    first!

    by malikye

    good point harry!

  • June 10, 2003, 9:25 a.m. CST

    HULK HOGAN HAS A BEER AND CHEETS ON, OF ALL THINGS, A SODOMIZED

    by kingralphuk

    Piracy causes no discernable loss of revenue, as huge openings for X2 and Matrix have shown. However if box offices taking went down it would stop the studios from robbing the public blind with ticket prices. It cost me

  • June 10, 2003, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Well Said.

    by Psycho_Skeletor

    I like your outlook and viewpoint on piracy; the theater experience, IMO, is without challenge by even the best dvd-quality rip, and I believe people go to the movies for the wonderful atmosphere created. As soon as you can rightfully emulate the juggernaut that is the big screen experience, big budget blockbusters will feel very little sting.

  • June 10, 2003, 9:28 a.m. CST

    What's wrong with...

    by Neon Jesus

    seeing a film AND then downloading it, at least then you've given the studio their due. Or another choice, if being around other people isn't your thing, waiting until the film has come out so you can get the really kick ass DVD quality version (like Fellowship or Two Towers)?

  • June 10, 2003, 9:32 a.m. CST

    OhmiGod, Harry speaking logically, and Mori flies off the handle

    by Roguewriter

    And yet you're both right on the money. Nicely put, Harry. Your calm, logical discourse on the subject helps augment and justify Moriarty's (equally valid) rant. And yet... Harry walks softly, and Moriarty carries the big stick? IT'S BIZARRO WORLD! Here comes bearded Spock now... ;)

  • June 10, 2003, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Great damage control H!

    by Kumo-Shujinkou

    Harry and Mori take a lot of crap on this site. Some of it is brought on themselves (like Mori's hypocritcal rant yesterday). Still, the guys love movies and I think, despite the fact that they are slowly transforming into the 'suits' they used to try to bring down, there is obviously still a part of them that has empathy for the average geek. Everyone that comes here wants to see imaginative cinema, well made. Most agree that the industry serves it's own ends and is a business first and foremost, and so changes are needed. Hopefully future discussions on how to bring those changes about will be more like Harry's article today and less like Mori's butt slapping yesterday.

  • June 10, 2003, 9:34 a.m. CST

    furthermore...

    by hager

    first off, i hate the guys who always leap to suck up to harry worse than the guys who always leap to insult harry. he's not coming to your birthday party. get over it. also, while im at it, this is all utterly insane. first off, harry isnt a "journalist and commentator" and that certainly isnt how legitimate "journalists and commentators." gossip columnists, maybe, but you dont see ebert writing about a secret screening he saw in a hotel bedroom. legitimate journalists attend screenings, yes, but they usually do not write about what they see until it is release in their local area. secondly, you might not trade scripts that are sent to you, but you certainly beg and fucking plead for them every chance you get. so, instead of you sending a working script to someone to review, you try and get someone else to send it to you. why? so you can add it to your "collection"? just admit you are a hypocrite like everyone else. you are just as low. just as greedy. pathetic one and all.

  • June 10, 2003, 9:34 a.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT HES FUCKEN RIGHT!! finally a review with no spoilers!!

    by Rcamacho2278

    yup harry is right, Seeing the hulk now only hurts yourself. We all know that the hulk is not the lord of the rings, but its a fun ride and should be seen in the movies. Harry should stick to speaking like that ALL the time when talking about something. And Reviews need to be given WITHOUT spoilers!!!!

  • June 10, 2003, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Was watching the hulk like performing cunnilingus on a dead rape

    by Jabbathenutt

    Well i am sure we will all soon find out.

  • ponderous

  • June 10, 2003, 9:38 a.m. CST

    And enough with the werewolves/vampires thing...

    by SoulOnIce

    Matrix Reloaded is, like, sooo yesterday.

  • June 10, 2003, 9:42 a.m. CST

    ...those who take offense....

    by DarkCable

    are those who have guilt in there souls... -- The One, The Only, the Original DarkCable

  • June 10, 2003, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Thanks Harry...

    by POOPIEBUTT

    for not coming down on us too. Shame on AICN for even posting his tirade.

  • June 10, 2003, 9:46 a.m. CST

    further more...

    by DarkCable

    A person is allowed to live... He can breathe, eat, sleep, make mistakes, and have their own opinions. Why persecute a person on there ideas, when there ideas are meant to create discussion and stimulate new ideas. It is his opinion, don't take it personal. Get off your fan-boy @rses and grow up. If you don't like what he says...leave the site... I guarantee that 5 more fan-boys will take your spot. -- DarkCable

  • June 10, 2003, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Thank you MK3_Writer...

    by Primus

    ...get over it already. You've become boring very quickly. Just because Mori tongue-in-cheek urged others to seek out an amusing stand-up comic, doesn't mean he should be slagged off for taking a stand on piracy, which is what any self-respecting film lover would do. Why would you demand an apology for that?

  • June 10, 2003, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Its 13 bucks to see a movie on a regular showing. Prices are out

    by Tall_Boy

    Movies are expensive to go to with the multiplex age. Repeat viewings even moreso. The majority of downloaders off Kazza are college / university students who have to worry about paying for tuition, books, food, rent and more. I see a film in a theatre once, maybe twice and then download. I've also downloaded movies that I couldn't get a chance to see in theatres or even get access to on DVD - Cannibal: the musical, Below, Life as a House, Phone Booth, and alot more. Anyway, this is one of the few times I

  • June 10, 2003, 9:51 a.m. CST

    I would love for Moriarty to apologize...

    by Neon Jesus

    But as we all know, we don't give a damn about his apology. We've already passed judgement and sent him to the firing squad. And Moriarty knows that, which I suspect is the reason he's keeping quiet. He probably just had a really bad day with some fucknut kid who has never paid to see a movie in his entire geek life and just got frazzled. Was he out of line? Yeah, he was yelling at the collected masses. Was he right? Yes, and we were right to. And I suspect this was never about illegal pirating at all.

  • June 10, 2003, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Great post, Harry

    by Filmflipper20

    Thanks, I totally agree with you.

  • June 10, 2003, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Well said Neon Jesus

    by Primus

    Finally a little sanity!

  • June 10, 2003, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Hmm... still no mention of the early Attack of the Clones review

    by M. van Turnhout

    Yep.

  • June 10, 2003, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Mori has nothing to apologize for! Read his message again!

    by seagrass

    Good lord, people. He wasn't talking about everyone here. "Shame on you. All of you. Not everyone reading this, of course, since most of you are sane, normal, law-abiding citizens. I

  • June 10, 2003, 10:04 a.m. CST

    A little sanity....

    by TempusFugitive

    ... on this site? Are you out of your fucking mind? OK, OK, OK, we get the point(s). Piracy is wrong, and the damage it does is always overstated. Mori is a twit. Harry's fat. Drugs are bad, m'kay? You shouldn't do drugs. Blah, blah, blah.

  • June 10, 2003, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Fallout Boy...and all

    by DarkCable

    That would be pretty funny... "AICN SOLD OFFICIALLY TO NEW LINE..." I stand corrected. Not everyone may have "guilt" in there soul. People may just be very passionate in their beliefs and values. Everyone does have a write to vent and preach...as did Moritarty...as do you. -- DarkCable

  • June 10, 2003, 10:04 a.m. CST

    i know, let's all make fun of Mori...

    by El Grove

    I don't know exactly what was on any of these reviews of downloaded versions of the Hulk, but they are being described as just commenting on poor editing and rough cgi. If it's a fucking work print then what do you expect, fucktards! We're all going to see it anyways. And the next dumbass who says they think a human should of played the hulk can smoke a turd in hell. I feel bad that Lou was born mostly deaf and all, but that show ate ass. The Hulk is 8 feet wide and fifteen feet tall---take all the 'roids in the world and no human could ever play the hulk! I'd much rather read a review from Mori or The Fatass a few days before it comes out than a review from all you comic store guy wannabes e-mailing them just before you wacked-off to these guys http://www.geocities.com/thestuntaz/

  • June 10, 2003, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Very good, Harry

    by slayage

    Good response. Bitterness subsiding. Anger abating. Rage . . . decreasing.

  • June 10, 2003, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Then let's stop laughing.

    by Neon Jesus

    And give him some space to move around. He's a fellow human being and fellow geek, we should give him a chance. And if he doesn't respond in a day or so, then just let it be said he's got no guts. But, writing a rebuttal against a mass like us takes serious time, especially if he doesn't want to incite a full-out boycott of the site (or some equally zany shit like that). I give him another day and then I'll fade back into nothing, not saying a damn word about it.

  • June 10, 2003, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Chill out folks

    by cryix

    If you arent downloading movies, especially the hulk, why the fuck would you take offense to what Moriarty said? he pretty clearly stated "I

  • June 10, 2003, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Didnt Harry's buddy get busted to selling bootleg vids a couple

    by Goon Bighead

    seems like the pot calling the kettle fucking hypocrite

  • June 10, 2003, 10:11 a.m. CST

    In true Holmesian style, Moriarty has disappeared into the ether

    by Kumo-Shujinkou

    Hey, I'm not one who thinks that lethal injection is the answer, but absolute silence from Mori is distasteful at best. Maybe he is working on a response right now, but with a crapstorm of this magnitude a little post from 'The RealMoriarty' saying, "Some valid points have been raised and I will definately respond to those in due time" might be a reasonable expectation. I'm sure he'll get around to replying sooner or later, but right now it just seems kind of cowardly to remain completely silent. The issue of piracy is an interesting one, and many of the posts have made me re-think ideas that I have held. Still, even though an important discussion may have been reopened, it still doesn't seem to excuse slinging poo and disappearing.

  • June 10, 2003, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Why...

    by whorehees

    do we come to this damn shame of a site. After looking at CHUD.com, AICN is becoming a filthy waste. Fa-q Harry, Mor-k, and Herc the invalid. You are liberal stools with paid-off corn in your shit. Go to CHUD.com for real updates on movies and www.spoilerslayer.com for Angel info. F AICN, I am out!

  • June 10, 2003, 10:13 a.m. CST

    MK3

    by Neon Jesus

    What hick town in Mass? I've been to quite a few of em. : )

  • June 10, 2003, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Piracy Is Not the Issue ..Its Moriarity's Double Standard

    by roboslut

    As Stan Gable put it (and a lot of people said yesterday) the issue IS NOT PIRACY. I am sorry its not. Its about Moriarity McWeeny pissing on people here, other people's journalistic Web sites review of the workprint. Believe it or not BloodyDisgusting is just as much of a movie site as Harry Knowle's. That makes them a journalist in Harry's definition. To criticize one site about reviewing something about a film before it is finished is just plain hypocrisy. This site DOES IT ALL THE TIME. Superman, AOTC, Starship Troopers, heck the list goes on since the beginning!

  • June 10, 2003, 10:23 a.m. CST

    WATCH THE DOWNLOAD, JUST DONT SELL IT

    by Rcamacho2278

    cuz thats where its wrong. trying to make a profit from it

  • June 10, 2003, 10:25 a.m. CST

    This all so stupid you guys. Shut up and go eat pies.

    by The Trifler

    I'm gonna kick you all in the eyes. You wouldn't care if Mori dies. His articles are all lies. Mr. Zssazz has sex with guys. So ayeth THE TRIFLER.

  • June 10, 2003, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Blame The Distributor for Distributing!

    by Saluki

    "Blame Warner Bros. for releasing MATRIX RELOADED on 15,000 screens and the multiplexes for reserving all their screens for that one movie." Huh? Are you FOR REAL!? I mean, half of this talkback has been pure shit in this the first place, but this? You want to know why The Matrix, Lord of the Rings and so many other movies are released on 8000+ screens? Because there is a DEMAND for them. Opening weekend, they have countless theater packed and sold out. Theaters are not socialist, they go with what MAKES MONEY. May/Blahblahblah/ObscureGoodMovie doesn't get a release because THEIR distributor screwed up. THEY didn't create the demand, they didn't convince anyone that there was a market.

  • June 10, 2003, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Well, one down....

    by Macplus

    Atleast Harry has had the guts to respond to this debacle stirred up by Moriarity. I usually don't ever agree to his business tactics, but atleast he has the guts to say something. I think in the film review business, you have to sit on the line with this subject, because you won't ever be able to get information if you don't. So, he is not condoning or criticizing it. I respect that. Now, the flip side of the coin. Will the one person who started this whole problem have the intestinal fortitude to back up what he has said or will he hide under anonimity and pretend like it never happened. The ball is in your court, Moriarity.

  • June 10, 2003, 10:36 a.m. CST

    But the scripts, such as Superman, ARE stolen.

    by the G-man

    First, let me state that I don't download movies. So spare me the argument that I am simply defending my own criminal activity. *** When Harry or Mori review a draft script, such as Superman, the odds are that the script was stolen. Even if the author himself gave AICN the script (which is hardly the norm), unless he did it with the permission of the studio that commissioned the work, that script is stolen. It is the property of a studio and it was not intended for distribution to a third party, such as Harry or Mori. In fact, unless Harry or Mori return the script, a good argument could be made that they are engaging in acts constituting "Criminal Possession of Stolen Property." Depending on the value of said script, CPSP could be a felony. **** This hardly seems more sound morally or legally than downloading and reviewing a movie that was posted on the electronic equivalent of a bulletin board.***Therefore, while I do not defend the downloading of the Hulk film, I must note that neither Harry nor Mori have explained how they are engaged in acts that are in any way morally superior.

  • June 10, 2003, 10:44 a.m. CST

    What Gus is trying to say is...the issue isn't pussy...the issue

    by Syd Mead

    Harry the issue is that Mori in 2 minute rant flamed himself into a corner. Making a monkey of himself. Fucking 6+ years of his reviews and views at AICN. How can you scream PIRATE at the world when you all wear a FUCKING EYE PATCH like Moriarty does!!! "Ahoy kiddies look what I gots to show ya...." Is what you do each time you post a review that someone signed a contract stating they won't talk about it. It's not okay for them to break a law abiding contract but it's okay for you to post it or show pictures ?? Then please tell me neither of you have ever down loaded or seeked out material you're not suppose to view??? You do it all the fucking time. Then say on your site..."Gee I'm glad I dodged that bullet!" "Thanks for taking one for the team" ...if someone else informs you of suckage. Does that ruin an opening weekend? Not much but it does. This little episode will be quickly brushed under the carpet but those who bother to come here won't bother to read McWeeny shit anytime soon. Unless it's to flame at 451F a Mc Weeny script or post. Nice recovery Harry but Drew is toast.

  • June 10, 2003, 10:47 a.m. CST

    My name is Trifler and I'm here to say

    by The Trifler

    Don't be so uptight in the USA/ Downloading movies is really dope/ I do it and it helps me cope/with dealling with queers like Sidehow Bill/Supernova, too, is really named Jill/scorched-planet.com is the place to be/if you like to drink your mommy's pee/I think McWeeny is a fat hog/i downloaded an mpeg of him fucking a dog. Throw your hands in the air/wave 'em like you just don't care. Word.

  • June 10, 2003, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Moriarty Is Right...

    by Brandon Gable

    ...about one thing. Yeah, he's hypocritical, yeah he suggested we illegally download the Cross HBO special, yeah he blasted and excerpted a copywritten Superman script. However, the Cross special was already completed, approved for public consumption and aired on HBO long before Moriarty made his comments. And his commentary on the Superman script was an expression of outrage that WB was planning on producing a total abortion of a film (keyword: PLANNING, meaning they hadn't begun filming). His whole point on the Hulk work print is that it's an UNFINISHED PRODUCT. It was in a stage between "unproduced script" and "ready for presentation." He took issue with the asshole that posted the work print and with the morons that bitched about the inferior sfx when they weren't FINISHED yet. How many of those clowns would like it if their boss came by and told them what a shitty job they were doing before they'd even put the pickles on their Big Macs? Same deal here, burger flippers...I don't agree with everything Moriarty's said and done over the last 5 years I've been reading this site, but he's got a damn good point here. If you cant hold your nut for 10 days and see the film in theaters, at least hold your tongue when you see an UNFINISHED product.

  • June 10, 2003, 10:53 a.m. CST

    You can't even spell, Fallout-of-the-closet Boy

    by The Trifler

    scorched-planet.blogspot.com. Just one R you nincumpoop.

  • June 10, 2003, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Death of film? Why not death of Theaters??

    by oicu812

    Harry, In your second point you mention that Digital Distribution signals the death of film media. If filmmakers/studios were real visionaries, they'd recognize that this could signal the death of movie theaters as well. If they can digitally relay a new release to a theater, then why not simply bypass all the middlemen and distribute new releases directly to the consumers living rooms? As it is, DVD has already ended my theater-going life as I knew it. I've only been to a theater once in the past 4 years. I've learned to wait 6 months extra for the DVD release and in exchange I no longer have to pay for $10 tickets, $6 drinks, $8 popcorns, etc. These days everyone has got a decent TV, a nice stereo, and a lay-z-boy with a cupholder. Let's update the video-on-demand concept to include current theatrical releases. At that point a filmmaker could cut out the theater, the distributor, and the studio altogether. No more satisfying ratings boards or censors. It's only a question of bandwidth, and as it is my ISP is talking about upgrading their broadband to 100-MBps. Send Matrix 3 directly to TIVO.

  • June 10, 2003, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Mori's 2 cents?

    by staley

    Thanks for weighing-in Harry, but I think a response from Drew would be appropriate. I paid attention to the article and TB consistently throughout yesterday/last night/this morning and am shocked that he would write something so scathing, then drop off the face of the earth, without so much as a "Good point, guys. You know, I was having a shit morning." He did (quite literally) ask for this.

  • June 10, 2003, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Harry, I don't always agree with you...

    by Vegas

    ...but that was the most articulate, balanced, and intelligent piece that I've ever read on internet film policy. Glad to see someone acknowledge BOTH sides of this, not just one or the other.

  • June 10, 2003, 11:08 a.m. CST

    ...yeah, couldn't care about apologies...

    by nuprin

    ...that would be hypocritical on my part. What should happen here is an explanation. Some here on ACIN respect Moriarty and some don't. Either way, there's a READERSHIP that is in danger here.

  • June 10, 2003, 11:11 a.m. CST

    who cares

    by jonnyvonpoo

    Why do people care about being called a hypocrite by anonymous internet personality like Moriarity? I

  • ....or something. Like I alluded in the talkback to Mori's post, I can't understand the mindset of someone watching a pirate copy. By its very nature and definition it's inferior. Here's an example. Last summer I was bombarded with offers of borrowing Spider-Man & AOTC on both disc and tape, with assurances that they were of retail dvd quality. I declined. I've seen pirate copies before, hell I remember E.T being widely pirated due to Universal's tardy release policy back in '82. BUT - here's the payoff - You know what ? Not a single one of those people (all guys I work with) have resisted upgrading when the official release hit the store shelves. Therefore, I don't waste my time on poor quality, shoddy goods. I couldn't be bothered to watch movies on a computer monitor - it's too damn small. By the same token, I wouldn't buy a house with no windows, water or electricity, I don't buy cars without engines or a big Mac without a meat patty. I want the total package ! As for the rights and wrongs of submitting reviews of workprints - AICN built its reputation of this very activity, except that you guys hide behind the dubious at best cloak of journalistic respectability. Despite my dismissal of piracy, I was pretty disappointed in Moriarty's high handed attitude, and adoption of a very high moral stance. Be careful when you do that, Drew....you could be standing on ice and it's a long way down. Could it be that AICN has sold advertising space for The Hulk and doesn't want to be seen to be negative toward it ? God, I hope not....

  • June 10, 2003, 11:18 a.m. CST

    You're full of shit Knowles

    by timmer33

    "MANY of the reviews we got that were based on ONLINE Work Print reviews complained of shoddy CG - editing problems and sound issues - and frankly - when the final film is in release and beginning to be screened, I'm not going to be running reviews of an incomplete inferior copy of the film ..." GIVE ME A BREAK. Your site is CONSTANTLY running reviews written by people who saw test screenings of films that weren't completeted yet. There was still editing to be done, CG to improve or put in, etc. and you still post them. MORIARTY screwed up with that story, Knowles, and you know it. You're trying to cover his butt for him, but it's not possible because YOU KNOW your site is doing the same thing these other people downloading HULK and reviewing it are doing. Give me a break. Zero credibility here, Knowles. Oh, and while I'm at it, why have you gone back to the old RELOADED talkback and erased all your responses in talkback about why you disliked the film? Have you changed your mind about it now? What the hell is going on at this website? Honest journalism this ain't. There's not a doubt about that in the world now.

  • June 10, 2003, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Its pretty obvious what happened here

    by roboslut

    Harry has been sucking up to Marvel forever. Go back to the "Hulk Jack Kirby Travesty" when he moaned about some missing credits for Kirby. Then all of a sudden it got fixed by Avi. Harry likes to call Avi, talk, get some free comic books and once in awhile change the course of Marvel movie history by demanding things that will appease the geek audience Well to promote Hulk and appease Avi, the initial reviews of Hulk sucked, so Harry and Mo decided to make Hulk a bigger issue than it was and make Hulk a debate about Internet piracy - not about the film. So they slowly colleted all these reviews (didn't publish them) and then crap all over them. Never mind the fact they review early work prints all the time. Who can forget when Harry made a guest appearance on Drudge to talk about the AOTC screening! Classic. Nice way to pump Hulk guys!

  • June 10, 2003, 11:33 a.m. CST

    MK3_Writer

    by Brandon Gable

    "There

  • June 10, 2003, 11:34 a.m. CST

    It definitely is a grey area

    by 007-11

    There are excellent points on each side, how about in future, no one review any fucking downloaded movies so we can avoid little shit storms like these?

  • June 10, 2003, 11:37 a.m. CST

    did harry waffle?

    by steppingonyou

    a very cordail response to a angry post.expect an email for me harry...to break the silence. i think ill come out of the shadows now. this is my first post....rememeber it well.

  • June 10, 2003, 11:45 a.m. CST

    You guys are shitting on Mori for spilling the SUPERMAN script?

    by Joey Stylez

    As fanboys, we should be forever THANKFUL that Mori shed light on that pile of shit! Think about it, WB was actually going to go with that script. So what if poor lil WB didn't get to make the film b/c public opnion about the script was toxic? GOOD! If it had been a better script, if they had respected the source material and wrote a good story around it (like X2, SPIDER-MAN, and SUPERMAN '78 did)then the public opnion would have been fantastic. I certainly don't wanna see a Superman film whre his suit comes in a can, where he becomes a hero b/c of his destiny instead of free will, and where Luthor is KRYPTONIAN! Who cares how Mori got it as long as he did the right thing and showed the world what a tragedy WB was about to produce. Maybe now they'll get the point and watch X2 to see how it's done. There's a reason characters stay popular for 60, 70 years, no need to update or make major changes to it. And for you people who avoid the theater and would rather watch movies at home, that's your chioce but that's no way to watch a film. No matter how souped up your home system is. There's a tangible excitement to watching an anticipated film in a theater with other people. You can't duplicate that buzz at home, and that buzz is what movie watching is all about. Wanna avoid paying high prices for theater food? Eat before you go to the show. Wanna avoid wasting your money on a bad film? Be selective about the films you see (like I am). As far as downloading things go, I've downloaded tons of music...90% of it stuff I paid for at one time or another. I usually don't download movies, except for X2 and that's b/c the film is so fuckin' good. I WILL buy the DVD when it comes out though, meaning I will have gladly paid twice for the film, so I don't think it's a problem that I downloaded it.***********************Lastly, if you're offended by what Mori said, then you've done something wrong. Otherwise, have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

  • June 10, 2003, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah? Oh YEAH?

    by TheGame

    Well I'M watching Star Wars Episode III Right NOW motherf*****s! I just piped it off the net. Holy BeJeezus!!! Anakin is Darth Vader?!?! Thats is INSANE. Call this a co-incidence, but Anakin and Padme called their kids Luke nad Leia... How cool is that? Is this AINITCOOL.com WORTHY?

  • June 10, 2003, 11:59 a.m. CST

    That's right!

    by pmorano

    You little fuckers do what HARRY SAYS!! Not what he does. Harry says not to!!!

  • June 10, 2003, 12:03 p.m. CST

    You kids shouldn't play so rough. Somebody's gonna start cryin.

    by Roguewriter

    I think everyone should just relax, take a deep breath, and keep in mind... the HULK is gonna be really stupid anyway, that SUPERMAN script was an abomination from all the depths of Hell, David Cross's shtick gets old after just one or two viewings, and most of you are REALLY just pissed off at Moriarty because he's successfully making the transition from fan to screenwriter. This, of course, does NOT mean we shouldn't all download his first feature off Kazaa and CGI him into the middle of it like the Star Wars Kid and distribute the thing from here to eternity. Mori, you're a good guy. Harry, you too. Everyone else, kiss and make up. Let's get back to talking about what's REALLY important here... George Lucas is stilla fatneck ho-bag.

  • June 10, 2003, 12:04 p.m. CST

    My problem with Moriarty's rant

    by WarrenPeace325

    I agree with everybody that Moriarty was hypocritical with his huge rant. To claim that piracy (or reviews of a pirated film) will hurt ticket sales is silly when they post reviews of focus group screenings (of unfinished films) months before release. People at these screenings agree to not divulge anything, but then they run straight to their computers to send a review to AICN. Silly. Hypocritical. But that's not my main problem. The thing that bothered me most about Mori's rant was when he said, "you're damaging the industry I love with your actions." This site used to be about loving movies. Harry and Moriarty used to rail against the evil industry and champion the artistry of filmmakers. Now they promote the industry, and worry that the movies they like won't make enough money. They used to be outsiders, trying to build a community of fellow movie lovers. Now they work from the inside, and it just isn't the same.

  • June 10, 2003, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Uh, concessions aren't overpriced because of movie piracy...

    by Ray Garraty #47

    Movie tickets themselves might be overpriced as a result, but concessions will always be overpriced no matter what because the theaters don't make any money on movie tickets until a few weeks after the films are released. A very large percentage of the ticket sales goes to the movie companies directly, especially during the first few weeks of a film's release when it it a "hot" ticket...For example, for the first 4 weeks that "Jurassic Park" was out, 95% of the box office gross went to the film company. Then the percentage decreases, usually weekly, in increments of 5 or 10 percent. Technically, you can say that SOME money is lost b/c of piracy, but it's probably similar to money lost by, for example, people sneaking into theaters, or damaged inventory or something.

  • June 10, 2003, 12:34 p.m. CST

    well said harry

    by trkane

    now bring on the 3-D films! this is just the sort of catalyst hollywood needed to step up the in theater experience. makes you wonder what will come once we all have 3-D home theater setups and we can download 3-D shit online. i'll tell you what'll come next - virtual reality! nice! and after that? simstim! nice! well...not so nice perhaps...we'll never leave the house....anyhow, keping all this in mind, i say step up the piracy. it'll only help drive the technology of fimmaking.

  • June 10, 2003, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Mori ISN'T the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet!

    by jimmychitwood

    I think you guys are missing a big issue here....who gives a flying fuck what Moriarty thinks?...I come to this site to learn about movies that I might want to see, and read dirt on projects that I'm interested in...I could give a shit what Harry or Mori think about stuff...Mori works for some fat kid who started a website w/ his Dad's money, who cares what he has to say? He's the type of kid that I beat up in HS, but now I realize that the geek can tell me stuff I want to know...I don't really care what he has to say about anyting else....hey Mori, I'm gonna go out tonight and have sex with some women that I'm never gonna talk to again, you wanna yell at me? I don't even download movies, either, that's the funny thing!!

  • June 10, 2003, 12:39 p.m. CST

    People Aren't Going To See MAY Because they don't give a Fuck.

    by KONG33

    Let's be honest. TELEVISION couldn't kill theater. Blurry, Colorless postage stamp image quality will never take much amounts off the box office. People download the films they don't really want to see in theaters. If I had seen PHONE BOOTH in a 13 dollar Canadian theater, you would have seen me on the Evening News.

  • June 10, 2003, 12:40 p.m. CST

    man-o-man

    by TempusFugitive

    All we need now is Fett to show up and start waxing poetic about the old Hulk animated series and this talkback would be complete. Oh, and if you truly believe that some shlub downloading a pre-release copy of a movie is responsible for your $7 tub-o-popcorn... christ-on-toast, did they ever force-feed you the kool-aid. Moron. Bottom-line is, piracy is not a good thing, but it IS the bread-and-butter of this site. Ranting against it is hypocrisy, period. End-of-fucking-story.

  • June 10, 2003, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Has Moriarty Posted An Apology Yet?

    by omarthesnake

    He needs to, the self-righteous twit. I was tempted to go download Hulk out of spite, but i want to see it in the theater and THEN bitch about it afterwards with friends. But that whole diatribe of Moriarty's left a bad taste in my mouth, considering this whole site was built on bootlegs, leaked scripts and test screenings. He went from being the AICN staffer I respected most to being just another turd in the cesspool.

  • June 10, 2003, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Moriarity raped my childhood!

    by Silver Shamrock

    Harry's post is good, but it just deals with piracy issue generally, and doesn't say anything new. I would rather he talked specifically about Moriarity's suffering from insulin shock, or toxic shock syndrome, or who ever pissed in the guy's cornflakes. Is the guy bi-polar or something? Harry is at leats smart enough to know that if someone pushes us we push back.. we are geeks and we have no lives and live to take out our frustrations on things like this.

  • June 10, 2003, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Harry's statement should be enough to shut you Whiney McWhinesti

    by SexyBeast

    Its as simple as pirating bad, paying good. If you're going to pirate don't brag about it, and also go pay to see the movie like you're suppose to.

  • June 10, 2003, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Mori (and Harry) practice situational ethics. Period.

    by actonsupremacy

    Say the Kazaa users had been pouring in reviews that said "this is the big one, the best film superhero film we've seen, how good is it, it's amazing!" something tells me nothing would have been said. Or, if something had been said, it would have been along the lines of "these guys have no idea how cool it really is." The pirated movie reviews are no different than Harry's review of Star Wars 2. No different at all -- the movie wasn't finished, it was seen on a small screen, it certainly wasn't supposed to be seen, if you believe Harry -- save that Harry's review was completely positive. That the REAL difference between "hype" and "shame" in AICN's eyes. Hey, I like the site. Love it on some days. But never for a minute have I taken these guys seriously as legitimate critics; they're superfans, actually, the Internet movie version of the Zagat survey. When they take the high road, they're taking it to protect their turf and their elite shill status. I like what they do, and I like that they present in mostly text terms, which means I don't have to spend a lot of time dicking around with graphics and pictures and stories that look longer than they really are. Because I like what they do, I suffer their hubris, and boy they have a lot, and I come to recognize that in order to feel important they have to remind all us fans every so often they're privileged and we're not. Fine, very well, I can live with that. We all should live with it, because in essence Mori's right, we shouldn't be watching these movies on the Internet if we really care about them. But Harry shouldn't pretend he's some kind of reporter either who's simply "compelled" to review a work print of Star Wars 2. Real movie reviewers, Harry, don't do that.

  • June 10, 2003, 12:54 p.m. CST

    by DarkStarEX

    Oh Harry, I'm confused now. I could have gotten the Matrix Reloaded screener before I paid my 9 bucks (jeez), but I didn't, I saw it on the big screen, and it was good. But I was confused. So I collected it after the fact, and I plan to snatch up the DVD when it arrives. The problem comes in when we discern between 'reviewers'and 'consumers'. I imagine you haven't paid for a movie in years, Harry. Lucky you. But what about us? Just about anyone with a working knowledge of English and some film history under their hat can review a movie. How come *I* don't get free tickets? And since I deserve it, I download movies that I either want to watch again, or want to see because they were in limited run. To the movie makers, you'll be fine until that gigabit ethernet goes up all around the planet. At that point we'll be able to get movies in less than 12 hours, and thus the digital revolution will rage on. VIVA LA REVOLUCION!

  • June 10, 2003, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Brent Spiner was on BBC Radio Swindon, saying "Shame On You" to

    by Rufus_T_Firefly

    Isn't nice to be living in the Golden Age of Righteously Indignant Talkbacks? Is stealing (and it *is* stealing, kids) movies, music, etc. on the internet wrong? Uh, duh. Yeah. Is Mr. McWeeny guilty of hypocricy? Damn tootin.' And it sure makes for some fun readin'!

  • June 10, 2003, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Piracy should be allowed if...

    by Curiously Strong

    ...you have a peg leg and a parrot. Also, all reviews of pirated movies must begin with the word "Arrr.." and must include the phrase "Shiver me timbers" at least six times.

  • June 10, 2003, 1:17 p.m. CST

    thorough investigation is a-comin'!

    by jonnyvonpoo

    http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B0568FC85-D3D4-4B2E-902D-D21127D04C70%7D&siteid=google&dist=google

  • June 10, 2003, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Moriarty raped MY childhood, and I loved every minute of it!

    by Mr_Zzsazz

    Did someone ask about me earlier? Well I am back baby! That image someone brought up earlier of Moriarty with a pirates eye patch on really made me sweat! Can you imagine him in some sexy old puffy pirate shirt? That's what I'm talking about!

  • June 10, 2003, 1:19 p.m. CST

    I havent read this "article" or talkback yet. I dont need to..

    by cockknocker

    FUCK YOU AICN!

  • June 10, 2003, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Watching the "workprint "led to me renting Signs

    by Ansai

    Mainly because I couldn't believe that the movieso many people were hyping could be so weak and sh!tty - I kept writing it off to the fact that I saw the leaked copy and maybe the sounds was bad, or the editing wasn't done, or something like that. Nope. It really was that sh!tty. But at least now I knew. I never would have even bothered seeing it if I hadn't had downloaded that bootleg.

  • June 10, 2003, 1:38 p.m. CST

    By the way, do you suppose Chris Gore's erection has gone down y

    by Rufus_T_Firefly

    A good old-fashioned brushfire on AICN. I'm honestly surprised this little fracas hasn't elicited a 24-point banner headline on Film Threat yet. I'll bet that Harry wannabe Chris "Jealosy Be Thy Name" Gore has been up typing all night

  • June 10, 2003, 1:46 p.m. CST

    This new technology "is to the American film producer and the Am

    by bumperactive.com

    Jack Valenti said that, you know, the president of the MPAA *. . . . . . 'Course, he said that in 1982, testifying before Congress about the evils of THE VIDEO CASSETTE RECORDER. http://www.boycott-riaa.com/rogues/jvalenti.php *. . . . . . The Movie Business didn't understand it then... "But, But, it costs as much to rent a video if _one_ person watches as if 20 people watch it!" They don't understand what they're facing now. *. . . . . . There are some enormous benefits to P2P file sharing: I've spent more time in the past 24 hours thinking about The Hulk, thanks soley to this talkback thread, than I did about Spiderman, X2, and The Matrix _combined_. *. . . . . . Now, not everybody who downloads the Hulk is going to see it in the theater (though practically everyone _here_ who's done it is saying they will). But the downloaders are _all_ going to talk about it. Who do I trust when deciding how to spend my movie $$$ -- The trailer? Some blowdried professional critic? Nah, in the Saturation Marketing Age, I trust a dozen guys like me, with a modem. If they say the movie's good, I'll probably go see it. If it sucks, I won't (though maybe I'll download it). There's some chance, even if I hear it's good, all I'll do is download it anyway. But if I like it, I'll spread the word, and people who demand the theater experience (for a movie like the Hulk) will buy a ticket. *. . . . . . And if we're not talking about The Hulk, but say, an indy-film like _May_, the chances are excellent that I'll go see it. This is another thing I don't get: There are two real interesting threads going on on the site right now: How internet piracy is going to kill a $100 million movie that can't fail, and how we should all vote with our butts to give May a fighting chance at national distribution. *. . . . . . The consensus seems to be, downloading would _kill_ a small, indie film like May. But would it? People everywhere would get to see it, _free_. If it's as good as it sounds, it could be become a phenomenon -- Buzz all over the Interenet, download May. The Distributor could put it in the theater then, bill it "as demanded by The Net" and make money those who'll still pay for the theater experience. Sure, if they did that, a lot of downloaders would never drag their butts off to the theaters. But _nobody's_ going to the theaters now b/c they're not distributing. And marketing by putting it online is essentially, 100 percent free (You gotta fill a lot less seats to break even if you aren't buying front page ads nationwide). You're telling May wouldn't make any money this way? *. . . . . . And here's the ace in the hole: The studio, distributor, or whoever, will now have a movie deal not with 2 struggling zit-faced film makers, but with The Guys Who Brought You May. They've proven they're awesome film makers. They've got a helluva buzz. _Now_ throw them the $100 mil to make the movie they _really_ want to make, billed of course, with that gravelly voice "From the Director of May

  • June 10, 2003, 1:47 p.m. CST

    ... Starring Drew McWeeny as "The Incredible Hypocrite"

    by TempusFugitive

    That CBS Marketwatch link was PRICELESS. That's right Drew, shame on everyone for watching that pirated version of it. You probably caught holy hell from Universal, resulting in an obligatory finger-wagging "article" on the evils of piracy. What a maroon... what a taa-rah-rah-GOON-dee-ay.

  • June 10, 2003, 1:49 p.m. CST

    because they have nothing better to do.

    by Dixie Normus

    most of these lame asses download these crappy copies because they have nothing better to do. maybe they should actually take out their dicks, remove the shrink wrap and use them. ya'll may not believe me but getting laid is much better and more satisfying then being the first on the block to see the hulk( a crap version i might add ). try going outside, i know you may burn easily, but it can actually be fun. then go see the movie when it comes out in the theatre like the rest of the world. trust me, people won't think you are lame for doing so.

  • June 10, 2003, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Bitch-tits sure is the theme around here lately

    by Mr_Zzsazz

    I love twisting them, fondling them, sucking on them, and Moriarty has a couple of beauties! I prefer men with bitch-tits, that way I don't feel completely like a homo when I lust after them because at least they have some female characteristics!

  • June 10, 2003, 1:58 p.m. CST

    About MK3...

    by Call me Al

    Just to further shit on Moriarty, and I'd never say this until that stupid rant yesterday, you guys might be interested in a few things about MK3. First of all, they had the thing written before he came aboard. There was an 90 page outline, which he was given to turn into a movie. Second, and even more amusingly, is that the money being offered to write MK3 was not even up to WGA minimum for a polish. I know because I had to pass on it because I'm WGA. I'm just tired of this nutwit preaching on here like he knows something the rest of us don't. Come down off your high horse and meet your adoring public, you worthless, hypocritical jerk. VIVA LA JJ!

  • June 10, 2003, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Piracy

    by 3135132

    Are there any actors or movie people who believe piracy is a good thing a la Eddie Vedder and his outrage at the cost of concert tickets? Oh yeah, I'm moving to Austin at the end of August.. anyone care to tell me where a limey can find a decent area to live with the wife and kid?

  • June 10, 2003, 2:07 p.m. CST

    since when was this a job?

    by Big_Kahuna

    anyone else find the concept that harry considers the running of a website to sate the insatiable bitching appetites of talkback geeks as a "job" hi-fucking-larious? ok, just me

  • June 10, 2003, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Drew In the News Talking to Reporters!

    by roboslut

    No wonder Drew isnt' saying anything. He is deahtly afraid of being found out as a person who makes his living reviewing unfinished scripts, movies, etc. What a joke. Distribution of the file resulted in numerous comments, some critical of the film, on Web sites including Ain't it Cool News. "The success of the movie is going to rest on the audience believing that the Hulk is real and clearly, it's not in this point," Drew McWeeny, west coast editor of the site told a reporter.

  • June 10, 2003, 2:28 p.m. CST

    David Poland speaks about all this

    by Dan_Average

    http://www.thehotbutton.com/today/hot.button/2003_thb/030610_tue.html

  • June 10, 2003, 2:33 p.m. CST

    IT FUCKING ASTOUNDS ME

    by Cannonball

    How you people are buying this garbage. Here's a quote from Mori's little Rant "We live in an age where people love to pretend that issues of copyright law are

  • June 10, 2003, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Shirking some responsibility...

    by Rybock

    Is Harry weasley or just clueless. The way this site got famous is by making EVERYONE a critic, by printing reviews from any Tom, Dick or Harry who could get an early enough review in... does he not realize to get in as a reviewer here, you HAVE to get an early screening? He himself has created the demand for all the Hulk reviews Moriarty was complaining about. But Harry seems to think his hands are clean. Technically, all those other times were piracy - he just got other people to do it for him. Whether it's the director or not, other people were releasing the studio's product in some form without permission. Harry is, in short, an accessory to such actions, yet he seems to think he's squeeky clean, and that the website he built has nothing to do with the demand... time to get out of the basement and get a clue...

  • June 10, 2003, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Mr_Zzsazz, you better believe I want your little pink chick-pea

    by Mr_Zzsazz

    And I know you'd love to gargle on MY man-splooge. Seeing us two Zzsazzs go at it would be about as wild as seeing the Hilton twins 69ing each other! Something about a name like "Zzsazz" that really brings out the gay in us all! Try to say "Zzsazz" with a lisp, it's a real tongue twister, kind of like how I'd like you to twist your tongue up in my ass, Zzsazz, you ball-tickler you!

  • June 10, 2003, 2:41 p.m. CST

    The final piece of evidence anyone needs

    by Super Nova

    Will be posted at http://www.scorched-planet.blogspot.com today. Be there at 4PM EST to see the most incriminating piece of evidence against AICN's Moriarity. It will blow your mind. The legacy built by The Facer lives on at Scorched-Planet. I'd like to see your stradling the fence scared little pussies hiding their heads in the sand response to what I have. Be there and witness. www.scorched-planet.blogspot.com

  • June 10, 2003, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Moriarty's Blown Gasket

    by The Pardoner

    The poor boy's bullshit-valve finally malfunctioned, and for a glorious time he expanded and throbbed into an Internet-based Ignatius J. Reilly - Harry's body doubled over, packed with a Boethean scholar's brain what's been fermenting in a region worse than New Orleans for thirty-plus years. Sadly, half of you seem obsessed with slurping up the viscous mess that lurches in a gulp out from Ol' Mori' - and the rest are so transfixed by the sight, they can't do anything but continually indicate it in shriller and shriller tones. Harry seems intent on mediating again: "It's all alright, no problem - he's just venting... it's perfectly natural...". Unfortunately, by intervening he appears by his sheer size to be covering up Mori's reeking error, whether he intends to or not - and Mori's silence isn't helping. We've all assumed he's either given up, or hung himself, or he's going to wallow in his filth and Harry's shadow for a while. ---- Back on topic: Stealing Movies Is Fun And Profitable. I am currently downloading episodes of Father Ted that I would otherwise have to pay an absurd markup for - and has anyone priced out THE COOK, THE THIEF, HIS WIFE, AND HER LOVER lately - my ass if it costs anywhere approaching $55 to produce and supply stores with it.

  • June 10, 2003, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Who's side are you on?

    by WayOutWest

    I think Ringbearer9 pretty much nailed it - Harry and Mori are too attached to certain companies, individuals and projects to give reliable commentary. Mori's tirade is more about the fact that they both desperately want The Hulk to succeed, rather than his moral indignation over Internet Piracy. Harry's rebuttal is a fence mending exercise to try to keep people from fleeing the site and to keep the ad revenue flowing. I seriously doubt the CGI is going to be much better when you see this in the theatre nor do I believe the studio would put substandard CGI in the TV commercials knowing that Joe and Jane Mainstreet are going to base their decision to see the movie on the commercial and not some guy from Austin TX on the Internet telling them "trust us - it will be awesome in the theatre". On a related note, I wonder how bad the CGI was for the early releases of Die Another Day, given how bad those that made it to the theatre and DVD are. Or maybe Tamahori isn't good with computers and deleted the wrong file.

  • June 10, 2003, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Bruce Banner Actor

    by proevad

    I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned sooner. This Aussie cannot act. He is the weakest part of the film. He has one expression. He knows how to furl his eyebrows. Jesus Christ, this guy sucks. Anytime he's on screen with Connelly <sp> or Nolte, you feel like shooting yourself in the head. Shame on you Ang Lee for casting this piece of crap actor. I mean it guys, this guy is AWFUL.

  • June 10, 2003, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I heard Captain Lou Albano was supposed to weigh in on this down

    by TheAFLACDuck

    But yeah ... obviously he got snowed in somewhere. Or maybe he hit a dead raped deer ... who the Hell knows!! Anyways, I'd probably download a movie to watch (haven't done it to date)... but you can BET I'll still be watching in the theatre if it has the name "Hulk, Spider-Man, Star Wars, Matrix, etc." attached to it. But I'll admit to ripping of the theatre itself because I rarely by candy, popcorn, or a drink from the concession if ever. Most of the time I just buy it cheaper from a store close by and sneak it in. If they want to make money they should compete with other stores in the concession prices! People would buy more.

  • June 10, 2003, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Dont review illegally obtained material and turn a profit

    by iamarayya

    dont you guys who review movies early see it with out the consent of the owners of these movies? dont you then put your review on this site and make money off of your veiwing of something you dont have permission ot see? If we were to apply your argument to, say childporn .... "hmmm officer I never touched the tape or baught the tape I only viewed it, reported on it on my site and turned a profit from my seeing it." Before i get ahead of my self... who makes money off this site anyway? Who benefits from material reveiwed from an illegal copy on Aint It Cool News?

  • June 10, 2003, 2:57 p.m. CST

    What Gollum thinks of Moriarity!

    by mtoast

    Anyone else think it telling that Moriarity's original article disappeared from the home page within a day of his being rotten-tomatoed and labelled a big fucking hypocrite -- while the completely pointless and self-fellating "What Gollum Thinks of AICN!" headline has been up since FUCKING DECEMBER? By the way, anyone who has directed a little friendly email criticism at AICN and has had the pleasure of receiving one of Mori's lovely "go fuck yourself" type of responses knows how much he needs to be dressed down. No class. Idiot.

  • June 10, 2003, 2:58 p.m. CST

    oy

    by Lelon

    OK, i'll assume that harry and moriarty are in fact different people (that does NOT serve as an excuse for the reviews you guys gave "cancun" simply because they ran ads on your site, but honestly, who comes here for journalistic ethics? we want scoops). I've made a vow to never again steal from the theatres. i've done it recently, and i'm ashamed. i downloaded Chicago (DVD quality) and watched it a dozen times, not once in a theatre. I was sick with guilt (until I saw how much money made, at which point I became only mildly queasy). never again will i steal from the theatres, NEVER!!! does this mean i wont download movies? no, but if you make a movie worth seeing, im gonna pay to see it.

  • June 10, 2003, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Lost in all this virtriol...

    by The Trifler

    ...is the fact that none of us are going to see THE HULK opening weekend anyway. We'll all be at FROM JUSTIN TO KELLY. I'm pretty sure of that. I downloaded a wrok print of that myself. The cgi on Justin's hair was atrocious. Shame on all of you.

  • June 10, 2003, 3:17 p.m. CST

    3 words: One Hour Photo

    by rivetbadtz

    Yes...LOTR TTT Was available in perfect widescreen rip 3 weeks after its theatrical release. Yes, perfect digital dvd rips are becoming more the norm. But what the hells the point of seeing Matrix on bootleg vcd-r when it negates the whole movie experience on the big screen? One example: One Hour Photo. Before Mark Romanek was forced by Fox to butcher his film, film fans got to see his visionary masterpiece in work print form via downloads. I was appauled by the mianstream edit pap that happened when it got released theatrically and on dvd(I even tried to start a petition to get Fox to release the workprint as supplemental) I guarantee if the vision of OHP that was in the work print had been released, it would have nabbed Robin Williams an Oscar. This is the one bootleg exception, where I encourage film fans to seek out the 'true' version...as too many times, great films(Jedi, ET, etc) get revisioned, butchered, and messed up by directors and the studios.

  • June 10, 2003, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Yes, Fallout Boy dammit, my balls are BROWN and not PINK

    by Mr_Zzsazz

    I acheived the ultimate sexual act, when I was able to push my balls into Moriarty's ass, making them quite brown! I believe they call that manuevre the "dog in the bathtub" since getting your balls in someone's ass is about as difficult as keeping a dog in the bathtub! Now that we've accomplished that feat, Moriarty and I will next be tackling the "hot lunch" act, and I can't wait!!

  • June 10, 2003, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Mr. Zsazz once gave me a Lucky Pierre, and I thanked him with an

    by The Trifler

    which was cleaned off him by Supernova's tongue. We played Goat Head Soccer tuntil dawn, then made love once again on the seat of my bike. Good times.

  • June 10, 2003, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Nobody's addressing the TURE offender here...

    by jonnyvonpoo

    there are Hulk Dogs in this film. What is that shit? Boycott this mo-fo, burn your Crouching Tiger DVDs, stop reading Marvel (even hot Elektra comics), burn down your local movie cinema, and hunt down and slaughter anyone who has anything to do with any of the subjects I just outline, plus anyone with an Internet connection who may have downloaded the film. Plus, anyone who ever said anything hypocritical, which apparently is limited to Harry and Moriarty.

  • June 10, 2003, 3:50 p.m. CST

    YOU ARE ALL FUCKING NUTS!!!

    by Movie freak

    I just wanna say that EVERY LAST FUCKING TALKBACKER IS OUT OF HIS OR HERS SEX CRAVING MIND! This is a site about movies for fuck's sake and Moriarty expressed his opinion. Whether we agree with him or not is our own business. What I see here is a whole army of idiots writing stuff like 'Mori should be ass raped!' and 'let's boycott his film!' What the fuck is that? I'd almost wish for you fuck-ups to return to those lame as chicken shit Hulk Hogan jokes or the werewolves bits. You people don't love movies. All you do is bitch and moan. Grow the fuck up.

  • June 10, 2003, 4:06 p.m. CST

    THANK YOU, Harry, for responding to our complaints (and doing a

    by CoolDan989

    You've convinced me to stay with this site, Harry, for that post, DESPITE Moriarty, who I am now really starting to hate for making a vicious, hypocritical post and not being man enough to explain himself. He can dish it out that shit, but he sure can't take it. I had no idea Moriarty was that big of a jerk, but now I know, don't I?

  • June 10, 2003, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Speaking as Someone With a Bit of Experience

    by Joe Hallenbeck

    To All my Fellow Bitches, As one who has had to deal with piracy firsthand I feel as if I have to put my 2 cents into this "conversation," if you can call this that. 1. DOWNLOADING a.k.a. VIEWING of a film, is, technically NOT illegal. The distribution of the film is. 2. Yes, Moriarty does come across a bit hypocritical here. His assault on the "reviews" of the Hulk clearly should not have appeared in this post. Both he and I (many years back) as well as 100's of others have reviewed work prints -- whether they be videos or test screenings. Is it fair to judge a film by a work print? -- YES. You can tell if a film is good just by reading the script let alone watching a partially finished product. Is it fair to judge the F/X of a work print? -- absolutely not. However, it is up to Harry, Mori and the other editors of this website to evaluate each review that comes in and post the appropriate ones from the uneducated ones. If Fanboy #1 writes up a review that bitches about the f/x of the unfinished film than that review has no business appearing on this website. Clearly Fanboy #1 is fuckin idiot. 3. Mori's point regarding the distribution/sharing of this product is valid. I used to be like all you fanboys out there dying to see things before anyone else. Dying to hold in my hands copies of films that only the director and editors have seen. Hulk comes out in less than 2 weeks. Have patience. If this copy got out there 3 months ago, I still say HAVE PATIENCE. It IS, afterall, only a movie. Trust me on this -- you'll enjoy it more sitting in a theater full of fanboys and girls on opening night seeing it with fresh eyes then seeing a pixelated 2nd gen copy on your 17 inch computer screen at home. 4. GET A FUCKIN LIFE! It took 2 dozen of LAPD's finest and a gang of MPAA agents to make me realize doing shit like this just ain't worth it. Seeing shit like this just ain't worth it. I know, most of you out there are saying to yourself -- "piss off you no good fuckin thief. At least I'm not selling the shit like you were." No, but you are file sharing it. You are trading it. You are -- DISTRIBUTING IT. You see -- I am "OLD SCHOOL". In the days of yore (about 5 years ago) I was getting video tape copies of work prints by meeting seedy gents in back alleys, conventions and Shopping Mall parking lots at 1 am. Now, all you simply need is a DSL connection and a place to find the shit (BTW, nice going Mori telling people how to find the stuff. Next time let them know to go down to Cahuenga and Whilshire and ask for a guy named Tito for the best CRACK in town). It's a different time. Hollywood needs to be tighter with its security. 5. BTW, don't blame the guy that got the copy out. He might have given it to a good friend of his and then his "so-called" friend may have given it to another friend who stabbed them both in the back and downloaded it onto the internet. YES, the dumbass who gave the tape out originally shouldn't have, but his niavety in trusting his friend is what's really at fault here. I go to less and less movies nowadays. 95% of the shit Hollywood churns out is so goddamn awful I refuse to pay $9 to go see it. I wait 3 months and watch it on DVD. However, with films like the HULK know I'll be first in line opening night waiting to see the green guy unleashed. That's where you should be too. Take what I have written with a grain of salt. Afterall, what the hell does an ex-pirate know? Well, a hell of a lot more than some 16 year old punk downloading films off the internet. I say if you are going to download anything, download some porn. The Net is an ocean full of free porn. Leave the films to the theaters, and in most cases, DVD's, where they belong. T.T.F.N., Joe Hallenbeck

  • June 10, 2003, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Movie Freak, you doth speak truly...

    by Roguewriter

    But it's like passing a really superb car wreck -- I'm talking the kind where the girlfriend's halfway through the passenger-side front window and she's begging them to put her out of her misery, and her drunk redneck boyfriend's swaying in the middle of a tight ring of Alabama State Troopers and refusing BAH GAWD to take a sobriety test CUZ HE AIN'T NO PANSY HE KIN HANDLE HIS DAMN LIQUOR! Oh wait, I'll see that on the way home from work. Or heading to work tomorrow morning. In the meantime, though, it's amazing how much blather stacks up in these Talkbacks. It's like sedimentary layers of shit, just heaping and heaping and heaping in minutes instead of millennia... Little clue for ya, though, heapers -- those dinosaurs Harry and Mori aren't actually underneath it all, fossilizing the way you'd like. They're standing off to one side, giggling and eating Funyons and having the time of their lives. Why not get away from your damned computer for awhile and have the time of your own? Follow me, boys! It's green and purty outside!

  • June 10, 2003, 4:22 p.m. CST

    This was all planned

    by roboslut

    This was a nice, well planned publicity stunt by AICN to kick off the summer movie season. Moriarity knew his comments would come back and bite him in the ass at some point (HOW COULD YOU NOT AFTER 7 YEARS OF VIEWING WORKPRINTS, PIRATED VIDEOS ETC) and Moriarity decided to "turn the corner" and become in the words of the AP writer "editor" of AintItCool - the guy standing up for studios despite his background. If you can't see this, then you are bunch of a fools. Just another way of furthering his career - something that has been done through back-handed compliments, fake reviews of his own stuff and other fun things. They are laughing their asses off they have hoodwinked everybody and have gotten away it. Face it, this site has sucked in the last 6 months. All it does is announce new trailers available for download.

  • June 10, 2003, 4:25 p.m. CST

    God-damned fuckin' bunch of losers!!!

    by numberface

    Who cares about this shit? I thought this was called talkback, not bitch-like-a-fuckin'-little-bitch-back. Get a life you horde of slurpee swilling jackanaws!

  • June 10, 2003, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Fallout Boy, I remember ALL of Harry's and Moriarty's reviews!

    by Mr_Zzsazz

    This one from Willard is my personal favorite: "Meanwhile... My friend BEN sent in this shot from WILLARD of Crispin Glover just ruling planet Earth from up on high. I'm there. First off... any movie that dares to STAR Crispin Glover is a film that ejaculates coconut cream on it's audience and asks you to lick it up! I'm talking SWEET damn casting, ya know?" Hot damn, the words "ejaculate" and "coconut cream" go together like ice cream and apple pie! I rubbed myself raw for days thinking about that imagery!

  • June 10, 2003, 4:40 p.m. CST

    You have to see it to believe it

    by Super Nova

    At www.scorched-planet.blogspot.com Its amazing how this website still even has any credibility. Ah well, just go take a look and see. Don't forget to leave a message!

  • June 10, 2003, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Because it bears repeating: Mori TELLS us to pirate copyrighted

    by ZeroCorpse

    http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=8405 "David Cross is one of the funniest stand-up comics I've ever seen, and I'm a total freak for live comedy. His HBO special THE PRIDE IS BACK was an outstanding one-hour, as good as they get, and I would never... NEVER.. suggest that you go find it on Napster. Now. Quick."

  • June 10, 2003, 4:53 p.m. CST

    You kids knock it off

    by Vern

    I think it is hilarious how angry you kids are getting about this whole thing. So you disagree with Moriarty, so fuckin what. So he contradicted himself, so fuckin what. It sounds like you didn't even read the whole thing you are flying off the handle about. It was explicit in his piece that his views on these issues were changing due to his work on mortal kombat or whatever he's working on. He is seeing things from the perspective of the guy who's making the crappy movie that's being ripped off instead of just the guy who's watching the crappy movie and ripping it off. Now you can say he's getting a big head or selling out the community or what have you that's fine, he's just being himself. BUT JESUS now it's time to move on. If you're going to blowup in a fit of outrage PLEASE go after something productive. Help us to impeach this president or stop these wars or fight AIDS in Africa or bake cookies for your mom, I don't care... or clean your god damn room. There are many things more useful than banging your head against the wall because Moriarty embarassed you.

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  • June 10, 2003, 5:05 p.m. CST

    if you're offended by this...

    by DavidPuddy

    you need to get a life...really? who gives a shit?

  • June 10, 2003, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Scorched text- Transcript of Mori in chat at AICN- The hypocrite

    by ZeroCorpse

    August 12th, 2002 [10:51] -MCVamp- dude attitude? [10:51] -BladeRunnerUnit- yup, the dude attitude [10:51] -MCVamp- the dude wouldnt bash a movie. hed go have a joint, go bowling, and its out of his head! [10:52] -Moriarty- Good god... [10:52] -BladeRunnerUnit- yes, but he fucking hate the Eagles [10:52] -LuckyTourist- Yes [10:52] -UnLuckyTourist- Good God. [10:52] -MCVamp- true [10:52] -UnLuckyTourist- Fair and Merciful. [10:52] -Moriarty- It's taken me almost 25 hours to download SPIRITED AWAY. [10:52] -Moriarty- BUT I AM WITHIN FIVE MINUTES!! [10:52] -Moriarty- IT WILL BE MINE!! [10:52] -UnLuckyTourist- You have cable? [10:52] -UnLuckyTourist- You lucky man. [10:52] -MCVamp- 25 hours good god. [10:52] -BladeRunnerUnit- moriarty, why would you do such a thing? [10:52] -Moriarty- This is the longest any film has ever taken. [10:52] -DirtyRatBastard- Spirited Away? [10:53] -Neth- Moriarty - don't sweat it. It's taken Coolashop.com 2 weeks to deliver my DVD. [10:53] -MCVamp- fastest DL ever for me was Jay and Silent Bob in 2 hours. I was amazed [10:53] -BladeRunnerUnit- moriarty, have you not already got the skill to see the quality of a disney movie by the poster alone? [10:53] -Moriarty- Because I am sick and fucking tired of waiting for Disney to stop boning American Miyazaki fans. [10:53] -Moriarty- I can't wait.

  • June 10, 2003, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Mk3_Writer - great work

    by WayOutWest

    But you forgot: "everyone in the audience I saw it with loved it!"

  • June 10, 2003, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Warewolves and Vampires, Dead Raped Deers, AOTC Best Movie Ever,

    by Mr. Profit

    What's next? A dead raped clown whore tomboy beanpole slobbing Tyrese's knob? Not yet that is for his review of Charlie's Angels 2: Full Throttle. But for now we get completely silly Harry Post backing up AICN's right to see movies early. Question? Why do studios fear this site when it's obviously being paid off? To get a positive review, studios just fly Harry on a private jet(Make sure his luggage is on another plane for weight reasons or use a Cargo Plane for him) and spoon with him and play footsies in the theater like Avi Arad does to get good "Daredevil" reviews. Also, has anyone else noticed the lack of real news on this site lately? Why a Keen Eddie talkback? I used to like this site until I read a positive "Jason X" review on here? Oh yeah "Jason X" is New Line, what do you know! This site has a vendetta against Warner Brothers, and a boner for New Line and Marvel. I am awaiting Harry's glowing review of The Mandy Moore / New Line flick How Do I Deal. "Mandy Moore is the best actress of her generation and leaves Audrey Hepburn in the dust. How do I deal is the best teen movie, better than The Breakfast Club."

  • June 10, 2003, 5:11 p.m. CST

    At least Harry showed up at last, i guess Mori is busy with his

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    You would think that this entire shit storm would have been a lesson for old M but i see now he's talking to CBS..shame he can't be fucking bothered to come in here and set the record straight with us eh? At least Harry has had the balls to come and face the music even if he did skirt around the subject.

  • June 10, 2003, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Drew

    by TempusFugitive

    Just in case anyone missed it, please do check out the latest on what a total twat Harry's precious "Mori" is. Talk about talkin' out your ass... http://www.scorched-planet.blogspot.com

  • June 10, 2003, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Aha! The game is afoot! Now I have you where I want you Moriar

    by Sherlock_Holmes_

    Ban ME will you? I will continue to point out your lies, and I will see to it that any movie Professor Drew McWeeny Moriarty is attached to will in turn be BANNED itself! You stepped in deep poodoo, my erstwhile enemy. Watson! Bring your revolver!

  • June 10, 2003, 5:46 p.m. CST

    So what you're saying is...

    by MrCroker

    So what you're saying is it's alright for you to use your contacts and connections to get early access to this stuff and build up your private collection and tell everyone about it while it's bad for everybody else to do it cuz?

  • June 10, 2003, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Stop whining about 'The Eye' - it sucks ass, end of story

    by Det. John Kimble

    Work is for suckers, beatch.

  • June 10, 2003, 5:48 p.m. CST

    by Zionere

    You know what, I don't care about the point of Moriarty's article. The whole point is pointless, because he of all people does not have the right to lecture others about things he himself was and still is guilty of. How dare he? How dare he preach? And then comes along Head Honcho Harry, totally diverting all attention from the matter at hand: a lot of people being angry at Moriarty and demanding a response from him. I'll give credit to Harry for at least responding, but at the same time he should be ashamed of himself. If he had taken us readers seriously and at the same time was serious about this article, he would not have deleted the original article. Why delete it? Simple: because AICN got scared, and wanted to hide it from the eyes of the rest of the world. Guess what?! Too little, too late on all accounts. I'll say it again: I have always respected the writings of the AICN staff even when I did not agree with them. But this I cannot respect. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. For me, the issue has never been about piracy, but about hipocrisy...

  • June 10, 2003, 5:50 p.m. CST

    It's not deleted.

    by Nordling

    It's been bumped down the list.

  • June 10, 2003, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Death spiral...

    by CaptainHendry

    Having Moriarty trash piracy is like getting chewed out by Satan for jaywalking. However, HYPOCRISY DOES NOT MAKE HIM WRONG. The regular thieves are so eager to distance themselves from the hypocritical thieves, but in the end, if you're pirating you're a thief. Hard as many of you seem to be trying to claim it, there's no high ground here. But, hey, Hollywood is the biggest hypocrite of all. The same bozos that sold teenagers on Jane's Addictions' "Got Caught Stealing" -- a hit song about shoplifting -- are now shocked to find that the same kids are robbing them blind via P2P MP2 swapping. They put out The Italian Job and Oceans Eleven and a hundred other movies in which thieves are portrayed as brilliant, gorgeous antiheroes taking from those who have too much already. Then they turn around and say, hey, don't steal from us or you're name will wind up with the FBI. There just aren't any good guys in this whole story that I can't root for.

  • June 10, 2003, 6:03 p.m. CST

    If It Makes You Happy

    by kinekor

    No One can stop people from downloading movies.I don't agree with people ewviewing 'art' before its finished(that makes no sense)and then telling the world how crap it is.I think that the people who download movies are in a minority and i don't think that the majority of the world is going to bother with trying to get them when they can pay their $25 or whatever and go see it on the BIG screen with digital sound.It's cool to be the first to see a movie but at the expense of practically halving your enjoyment?I like the kick ass big screen and the sound being way too loud.You can't replicate that sitting around a computer monitor.

  • June 10, 2003, 6:06 p.m. CST

    If It Makes You Happy

    by kinekor

    No One can stop people from downloading movies.I don't agree with people ewviewing 'art' before its finished(that makes no sense)and then telling the world how crap it is.I think that the people who download movies are in a minority and i don't think that the majority of the world is going to bother with trying to get them when they can pay their $25 or whatever and go see it on the BIG screen with digital sound.It's cool to be the first to see a movie but at the expense of practically halving your enjoyment?I like the kick ass big screen and the sound being way too loud.You can't replicate that sitting around a computer monitor.

  • June 10, 2003, 6:08 p.m. CST

    I just bought the Star Wars Holiday Special...

    by boba_rob

    on e-bay. I guess that is kinda movie piracy. Cant wait to see it. Just wanted to say that. Oh and Chewbacca is the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet.

  • June 10, 2003, 6:12 p.m. CST

    by Zionere

    Nordling, I stand corrected. I do however stand by the rest of my post. And I find it very convenient it was bumped down the list. It all comes across as a rescue operation...

  • June 10, 2003, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Harry

    by 900LBGorilla

    Well said Harry...I think cinema, in the long run will be in more trouble than in the past...as they are running out of improvemnents (other than gimmics), great sound, great picture, big picture...tha's kinda all they got other than nicer theatres (stadium seating certainly rocks)... But now you can download a movie and play it on your TV...and TVs are getting....bigger...MUCH clearer...and kick ass receivers, subwoofers, and digital surround sound systems are actually pretty cheap if you shop a little... Cinema will stay, but piracy will hurt more and more... Nice comeback on your "early viewings" though.

  • June 10, 2003, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Stick to the point

    by GraveDigger

    Ok, I've read these talk backss since they have started but I've never felt the need to post. But Mori and Harry.....please...stick to the point. However you want to jump around it. This site is based on giving geekland information that the studios don't usually want released. It's been pointed out (Over and Over and Over) that you have both been guilty of the same exact thing that Mori was bitching about. It's no longer a question of legality or morality. It's a simple fact that Mori needs to show some balls and admidt that he had no right to give the "SHAME ON YOU" speech. Mori, if you ever hope to have any credibility again I strongly suggest you suck it up and post YOUR OWN responce here. Call it a challenge if want....call it advice....whatever. But please get off of your ass and lets see if we can move on.

  • June 10, 2003, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Hey now, I have a '92 Honda Accord...

    by Elwood Blues

    And there's nothing wrong with that. It's blue.

  • June 10, 2003, 6:57 p.m. CST

    we're all hypocrites, all are one and one are all

    by necrothorn

    Fuck it, there are good arguments on both sides. I've only downloaded One Hour Photo since it was supposedly different than the one I saw at theatres. And by the way, if anyone knows where I can download the unreleased(?) The Hole (w/Thora Birch and Keira Knightly the beanpole) or Darkness (w/Anna Paquin), email me off list - NECROTHORN

  • Um... that subject heading is a direct quote------------------- 1)Harry, You talk about your responsibility. If you actually read many other websites and print articles they constantly complain about other responsibilities you fail at. So that I can't be accused of parroting them here's a link to one where Joel "sissy boy" Schumacher talks about the damage people like harry knowles do (in his opinion) to movies.------------------- http://weeklywire.com/ww/08-04-97/austin_screens_shortcuts.html Many others can be easily found with searches on google. This article includes a crashed screening and review of a workprint. Many other sites complain of other "violations" of decency and the basic standards of journalism which they feel you ignore---------------. http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/harry_knowles.htm 2) Do i really need to get into the controversy over VCR's when they first came out and what people said it would do to the movie industry? Do i really need to point out how much money movie industry makes now off of home video? I don't think so. If i'm not mistaken the home video market is bigger than the box office one? could be wrong. 3) Compare it to the other "evil." Downloading of music is terrible right? Its' causing the music industry downfall? interesting because not only have most if not all recent studies shown that people who download music buy much more music, apple just launched a hugely successful site for downloading music by taking the technology and using it, not being scared of it. This despite ungodly shitty commercials that make me ashamed to be a mac user. Based on the people I know it's the same way with movies.

  • June 10, 2003, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Oh I see....

    by Tyler42

    Its ok for you guys to break the law but not for anyone else. I get it. Cause your doing a job. Yes....I see. Well then, what about people who can't afford to pay for the movie? Can't an argument be made that its ok for them since they would not have gone and paid for the movie anyhow? hmmm. Maybe we could apply your brand of logic to other areas as well. I'll have to think on this some...

  • June 10, 2003, 7:18 p.m. CST

    I hope Mori never apologizes!

    by Silver Shamrock

    cuz these threads are too damn entertaining! Best foot in mouth ever.

  • June 10, 2003, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Nice words, Harry.

    by Psyclops

    There is no right or wrong answer to this issue, I think Harry understands that which is why some of you think he's still "on the fence". As for Moriarty's rant yesterday, I think he was just overwhelmed by the amount of e-mailed 'Hulk' reviews off of a workprint that should never have been released to the public. It probably came as a big shock that such a high profile movie could leak this early and he decided to make a point about it. He may not have handled it the way he should have... but people have the right to express thier opinion on any subject no matter how controversial. They also make mistakes from time to time.

  • June 10, 2003, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Gotta go with Joel Stein

    by ZSmooth

    Few weeks ago, Joel Stein devoted a whole Entertainment Weekly column to this problem... which he eloquently boiled down to one simple credo: If Affleck is against it, then it must be worth doing. B-Lo says Piracy ain't cool... so by all mean, DOWNLOAD YOUR NUTS OFF.

  • June 10, 2003, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Deac Speaks... Harry and Mori, please read this.

    by Deacon

    Hello, my name is Deac (not real name) and i live in Saskatchewan Canada, the huge land mass as ig as Texas but only 160,000 people in the whole damn thing.i only have one theater in my small town, it has 2 movies every 2 weeks... and after those 2 weeks, them movies are gone... no special matinee's no returns to the theater, nothing, wave bye bye, now the only other way for me to see these movies is by driving to Regina (a 3 hour drive) the capital city, where they're is a famous players and a bunch of other theaters... now i download movies off kazaa and mIRC, i do it, but i only do it after i've seen it at the theaters, i won't download the Hulk, unlike all of you spoiler junkis, i stay spoiler free until i see the movie on the big scree. Now after i see it, i go and download it if i liked it, i saw the Matrix Reloaded twice, then after it's run, i downloaded it and burned it (watch it on my Dreamcast on my 36 inch TV). now i cannot pay to see this movie again, i can't, and i agree that watching it on the big screen is a must, also... having already stated my local theater only gets 2 movies every 2 weeks, it only gets high profile releases (Matrix Reloaded, X2, bruce Almighty) now i missed Memento at the theater, i missed Requiem for a Dream, and i missed recently, Identity. Now i downloaded these films because i can't see them any other way unless i wanna drive to Regina.. and for a guy that makes 10bucks an hour (Canadian mind you) and drives a piece of shit 88 ford escort... that just ain't gonna happen. so Mori if you wanna bitch at me about downloading movies, come live where i live for a couple years, live with one local theater that gets 2 movies every two weeks, and fucking tell me "shame on you" you can go see fucking movies on the day they come out, goto advanced screening (who ever holds advance screenings in Saskatchewan, Canada?), and see all the big movies and art house films... i have to either wait for the DVD or download the movie, and i choose download, i don't cost the studios any extra money, i can't goto the theater to see it, so how am i costing them money? self-righteous fucker from Los Angeles trying to preach to me about movies? why am i eminded about millionairre mansion living rolls royce driving televangelists telling me i'm a sinner and i need to give THEM money! and if you wanna comment to me about what i said? please email the9inchnail@hotmail.com because these talkbacks are out of order and i simply find it too frustrating to sort through and read everything, thanks to the shoddy programming of Harry and co, something else they can't do right. goto a fucking olsen twins message board and it's in order, but a site such as this isn't? fucking losers

  • which means that you shouldn't work for a site that regularly crashes events they are not invited to and reviews movies without going through the proper channels and then brags about it. Here's an example of rule breaking which should violate your strict moral code. "everything from advance photos of a securely-guarded movie set to reviews of a private, no-media-allowed test screening." http://www.ojr.org/ojr/workplace/p1017969538.php ------------- Honestly does the blatant hypocrisy get more obvious than this'? In the interest of sleeping better shouldn't you have quit a long time ago?

  • couple problems. 1) If you were gonna make up a fake name, did you have to make up a fake fucking nickname too? 2) If you were gonna make up a fake name you couldn't think of anything but Deacon? Does Canada tax imagination too? ( 3) Since when did Canadians have computers? You're a liar. Go shovel something. So it is written. Young Hova. oh and this talkback is fuckin hilarious

  • June 10, 2003, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Moriarty responded...or did he???

    by GraveDigger

    "....C'mon, get a life. I stand by what I said. If you take the trouble to READ my post I was addressing bootleggers solely. You thieves that think it's fine, it's your karma. I sleep soundly at night, how about you?....." Ok now you are still side stepping here aren't you? You just don't seem to get it. You are guilty of the same thing you gave "SHAME ON YOU" speech for. Which was EXACTLY what you suggested with the David Cross HBO special. Or are you saying that you really meant that people should not download it? Somehow I don't think so.

  • June 10, 2003, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Oooo...Good one Mori!

    by GrubStreeter

    Oh, you got us there! We're not sleeping soundly! What a dink.

  • June 10, 2003, 8:01 p.m. CST

    YOU mised the point of our ire Mori!

    by GrubStreeter

    Regardless of who you were addressing, you DO NOT have the right to lecture us. Plus you're a dink.

  • June 10, 2003, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I understand piracy, but this place giving us lectures about it

    by TheGinger Twit

  • June 10, 2003, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Harry: a thoughtful response. You surprise me sometimes.

    by slimetime

  • June 10, 2003, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Internet movie piracy

    by zenda

    It's theft. Pure and simple.

  • June 10, 2003, 8:39 p.m. CST

    AOTC - Talk is cheap

    by Rupee88

    Hary, yur mea culpa about watching and reviewing a bootleg (and probably stolen) copy of Attack of the Clones was a bit weak. But regardless, actions speak louder than words and you DID watch the bootleg copy and DID review it. I don't see anything wrong with it, but you've got to admit that you have no place in criticizing people for downloading bootleg copies of films and watching/reviewing them. I know Moriarity was more critical than you, but you are the editor of the site and his "Shame on you" rant made the whole site look bad. Oh well, it is still a good site (and your Reloaded review was right on), but people hate hypocrisy so perhaps be more careful in the future.

  • June 10, 2003, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Oh, brother...

    by BAMF

    Yet ANOTHER talkback dedicated to this crybaby fest? How about some fucking movie news?

  • June 10, 2003, 8:49 p.m. CST

    That's NOT Moriarty

    by GrandoCarIissian

    the real Moriarty posts in talkbacks under the ID of, strangely enough, TheRealMoriarty, and the email address is MoriartyAICN@yahoo.com ... anyone else who posts posing as Moriarty is a phony. still waiting on that response, Drew.

  • June 10, 2003, 8:50 p.m. CST

    oh great, the talkbacks are screwed up out of order again.

    by GrandoCarIissian

    as if it isn't anarchy already in here.

  • June 10, 2003, 8:53 p.m. CST

    digdig

    by mtoast

    Saskatchewan is not a town -- but a province. And I'm sure Deacon will go shovel, if you'll go back to your trailer for some raunchy moonshine sex with your favourite cousin. By the way, do they sell condoms down at the Wal-Mart now? Congratulations! You live in the fattest country in the world!

  • June 10, 2003, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Blame file sharing and trading

    by AlwaysThere

    Blame IRC, Kazza, Morpheous, BinTorrent, Edonkey... Blame all that bullshit.

  • June 10, 2003, 9 p.m. CST

    Just this to Moriarty: Glass houses?

    by burningbabyfish

    I don't download movies. I won't. I don't believe in it, and I have a crappy dial-up connection. But I just read the report on scorched-planet.blogspot.com. If it's true - let me add my voice to the chorus: hypocrite. I agree with the others who say both you and Harry have gotten to be suits rather than the geeks in love with cinema you were. I, for one, am going to find my movie news off other sites. I like my news with *SOME* semblance of integrity. Not seeing it here.

  • June 10, 2003, 9 p.m. CST

    Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back IN!

    by Shabbadoo

    I sort of agreed with Moriarty's article, but for the first time in the history of this website, Harry has fucking won me over. This article makes me like the guy. He makes good points, he's conveying them in a civilized manner and he's shown a good bit of intelligence. I still think Moriarty is one of the best film critics working right now, but Harry handled this subject in a much more respectable fashion. Either way, I love this fuckin' website, I love you fuckin' talkbackers and I love these petty fuckin' debates. Now preach on, folks!

  • June 10, 2003, 9:32 p.m. CST

    HELLO, POT? THIS IS THE KETTLE CALLING...

    by Kenshiro_Kane

    What a hypocritical bunch of pussyspeak. If I gave any of you fucks a look at The Matrix: Revolutions or Ringu 2: Erectric Broogaroo or whatthefuckever, you'd download it faster than than FatAss Harry on a hot box of Krispy Kremes... get over it. YOU ALL WANT TO SEE "IT" FIRST AND WOULD DO ANYTHING TO BE THAT "FIRST FUCK"- WHETHER IT'S MORAL, ETHICAL OR LEGAL. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP. NOW.

  • June 10, 2003, 9:33 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with reading a Magazine or Comic off the store shel

    by Irving1963

    and then not buying it and putting it back? Ever sit in Barnes & Nobels and read parts of a book, but not buy it? Hmmmm...ever sit at a friends house near the Drive Inn and watch a movie from the roof? Gee, this Internet Piracy thing is sooo new and so 21st Century...If a Secret Document (distributed illegally) was given to Woodward & Bernstein how long would they wait to "review" it? If I put the comic or book under my shirt and leave the store, It's illegal. If I break a window and door to steal the Secret Government document, it's illegal. Seems like there's some sort of difference. If I download a pirated movie, watch it to verify it's contents, then report it to the authorities...and then maybe review what I saw for a few close friends...is that illegal?

  • June 10, 2003, 9:47 p.m. CST

    get real

    by gahran

    the lecture bit and the ideas behind it are self defeating. the only reason to come to aicn is for early information, and if you guys learn morality, youll just lose your audience to someone who wants it more. bottom line is, i got the fix i wanted from the thief while aicn (ADMITTEDLY) holds back on us. a more dangerous question follows; if i were a movie executive dedicated toward ensuring advance news of my project doesnt get out, would i, a) beg harry not to talk about it or b) pay harry not to talk about it. i really do usually like coming to this site, but the number one thought that comes to my mind is that you must be taking a cut. otherwise, alienating your readers just doesnt make sense.

  • June 10, 2003, 10:41 p.m. CST

    grub streeter-

    by RenoNevada2000

    That wasn't Moriarty. He posts under "The Real Moriarty." Check that joker's email address...

  • June 10, 2003, 10:50 p.m. CST

    GREAT POST, Harry. It's good to hear the voice of reason there a

    by Ted Striker

    Harry, nice article. I'm happy you responded to Moriarity's dumb-ass post yesterday. I would like to add that although you do come across material you are seeing early, such as scripts and the AOTC incident, you do post your THOUGHTS and REACTIONS to those, which is MORE HARMFUL than passing the script on, especially if it's a negative response. If it's a positive response, alot of people will see the movie, and if it's a negative review, you've swayed people to stear clear... As for copying and passing movies along, almost NOBODY does this, and if they do, it's a crappy copy on a crappy PC that you have to watch the movie. These hard core geeks will go see the movie in the theatre if they like what they see. So although there are differences in what AICN does, and what File-Sharing does, the outcome is the same. Bad Press, good press, and LOST INCOME for the studios. If the studios had their way, there would be NO INTERNET and NO CRITICS so their marketing machines can crank in larger amounts of money. ON A SIDE NOTE: If you want to blame someone for "the length of time that a movie runs," blame all the cineplexes and mass movie-plexes out there... They show an opening movie on THOUSANDS of screens across the country. This action BUMPS smaller pictures from the theatres and it also speeds up the SUPPLY Side on the Demand-and-Supply scale... If someone wants to see a film on opening weekend, but they're all sold out, then they'll have to wait till the next weekend to see it. It builds up DEMAND instead of depleting it within a couple weekends. If everyone who wants to see a movie opening weekend gets to see the movie, then CRAP movies rise to the top. A crap movie can open and get a ton of people in the doors the first couple weekends and make some good money. It's obvious this is good for the studios, but bad for the public (why? because we have to watch CRAP movies!)... I'll wait for a good movie but NOT a bad one. If there's a cap put on the amount of screens to show a particular movie, then smaller movies can be seen, good movies will show longer due to great word of mouth (like Big Fat Greek Wedding), and MOST IMPORTANTLY, cineplexes will make MORE money because they get MORE of the ticket proceeds the longer a movie runs (studios get over 80% of ticket proceeds the first couple weeks)... The only bad thing is that we'll have to wait to see a movie a little longer than normal, but hey, pent-up-demand is a great thing in the marketplace! It will force studios to make better movies and spend their money wiser. What happens today is that the Product Cycle for a movie is too fast, allowing greater turnover, which only helps the studios produce a greater amount of CRAP. This is a bad thing -- no wonder most movies don't make money and all the cineplexes are in bankruptcy!!

  • June 10, 2003, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Great Googgly Mooggly!!

    by RenoNevada2000

    A Mighty Joe Hallenback sighting. Almost didn't recognize it with out all the incredible foul language. Hope you're well Mighty One.

  • June 10, 2003, 11:06 p.m. CST

    I'm not sure that's really Mori's address.

    by Sherlock_Holmes_

    yahoo.uk ??? I smell a rat.

  • June 10, 2003, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Last!! life's to short to bitch and moan

    by zts

    seriously dudes, write & make your own movies, make your own music, if you download good, if you don't good, it is wrong but so are a lot of other things, like making $100mil shit movies then burning $50mil on promotion just so you get good box office reciepts on first weekend which will then let you sell at an overinflated price to the rest of the world, no matter how shit the movie is. Downloading at least lets consumers sample the product (not in it's best form) and then gives them a choice of, if it's good they'll pay, if it's not they won't, for to long hollywood and the music industry has gone unchecked making billions upon billions from false advertising and not delivering on the promises they make. Only a few films are really worth watching each year and half of them don't come from the US.

  • June 10, 2003, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Moriarty: please respond to the charges concerning your hipocras

    by mediamelt

    To quote Mori: "C'mon, get a life. I stand by what I said. If you take the trouble to READ my post I was addressing bootleggers solely. You thieves that think it's fine, it's your karma. I sleep soundly at night, how about you?" ---- Lets break it down: "C'mon, get a life." Not a good start Mori, insult use once, shame on you. Insult us twice, shame on us (I guess we have been shamed by your hypocrisy). ---- "I stand by what I said." OK, finally a stance, now of course Mori is going to back this up with cold hard facts and logic beyond our cognitive capacity... here it comes... wait for it.... wait for it..... ---- "If you take the trouble to READ my post I was addressing bootleggers solely." Hmmm... I read you post Mori, so did about 200 other TBer's and well all seemed to come to the same conclusion (not matter if you support piracy or "bootleging" as you call it or not). That is was highly hypocritical for you to tell anyone not to bootleg films when you make $ off of the review and dissemination of illegally obtained material. So who is wrong? Us for all reading into the article in the exact same maner? Or you for writing an article that was so blanketly hypocritical that it insulted just about everyone who read it? ---- "You thieves that think it's fine, it's your karma. I sleep soundly at night, how about you?" At least the TBer's know thier shite stinks. You are in some serious denial if you think by writing MK3 that somehow makes you "above" internet pirates. Especially when people have caught you red-handed talking about your film-pirating escapades in the AICN chat room. I have more respect for the pirates at this point. ---- Please, please don't insult us with such a weak, half-assed rebutal. There have been some valid points brought up by the TBer's in this and the other article about your and this sites hypocrisy that deserve to be adressed. Harry has attempted to reconcile and at least take a first step towards explaining your actions. That was the mature thing to do. However, you totally squashed all of his progress with your non-post. Please grow up. Please grow some balls and either admit you are a hypocrit so we can all move on, or back up your attacks with some proff that your shite don't stink. --melt out

  • June 10, 2003, 11:36 p.m. CST

    stealing or not?

    by originalskoobx

    I have one question, and please somebody answer it. If a person was to own a bootleg of an unreleased movie, say Fantastic Four, is that still stealing or wrong. I think this whole thing has blown way up, and I think it was a ploy by Harry and Mori to get the daily hit count up. And Mori, you are a pussy for not responding. Shame on you, chickenshit.

  • June 10, 2003, 11:43 p.m. CST

    this is all going to end badly...

    by nuprin

    ...or on the other hand, it could be as anti-climactic as a Stephen King story!!!

  • June 11, 2003, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Thank you, Harry!

    by viola123

    That's all I'll say. You said it all. I'll be there opening day to see Hulk smash the hell out of San Francisco, and probably cry at all the right times too. It's going to kick, I know it! Only a few more days, everyone, and then we'll all see. Hope Moriarty is feeling better, and thanks again for saying what needed to be said.

  • June 11, 2003, 12:12 a.m. CST

    I sleep with stolen goods.

    by The Pardoner

    And I sleep like a beheaded cow - cheers. But how do you feel knowing that you just pantsed yourself on your pride-and-joy website? You attacked downloaders, not bootleggers - nobody here is claiming to PROFIT from their downloading. You and Harry are the only two receiving gross gains from getting advance copies and work prints. I'll go one better and question the assumption that downloaded movies are necessarily lost revenue: if the d/ler is a student who can't pay, or a pathetic shut-in who wouldn't ahve left his home, etc., how the in unholy fuck can anyone assume they *would* have spent money, had the download not been available? Two-thirds of the stuff I download is for evaluation before a purchase; the other third is stuff I couldn't otherwise obtain. The only way potential (NOTE: not actual, dumbass) revenue is being lost is if I review the stuff and decide it's crap. How can it possibly be a bad thing that I'm NOT required to spend money to find out if something sucks? Isn't that the whole fucking point of reading a REVIEW? Maybe Mori's just pissed because people are doing their own reviews now, and he's afraid of losing his status as Flaming Nerd Idol. ====== This has been a highly amusing discussion. I wouldn't ordinarily go beyond lurking, and I'm generally supportive of AICN. However, this has been a wonderful chance to watch these progressively fatter and more clownskulled maltworms get ground into a thin, purple paste. In duren Blaettern sauselt der Wind...

  • June 11, 2003, 12:40 a.m. CST

    My humble opinion

    by Brimacombe

    Vlady did get his 40th last year but the faggot umpires calle dit back!

  • June 11, 2003, 12:48 a.m. CST

    mori, you call that post justifying your actions?

    by HKaos

    godamn, with the ammount of cock mori sucks, its a good thing hes 2 faced. i sleep perfectly at night, but how peaceful can your sleep be with that fat tub of shit crawling in next to you?

  • June 11, 2003, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Drew McWeeny will now forever be immortalized and remembered as

    by Commando Cody

    Seriously, this is terrific. McWeeny getting on his high horse and harping on the villainous nature of piracy when he's been a major part of AICN which owes its very EXISTENCE to going about pirating material, infringing on copyrights, disregarding legal non-disclosure forms, obtaining first draft scripts that are technically private property or watching rough workprints and reviewing them BEFORE all the final elements are in place. But somehow it's okay when DREW does it, just not anyone else. Harry, nice response. When you put your mind to it and actually run one of your articles through spell check, you can still write a well-reasoned piece that strikes a chord or brings up good, solid points. Too bad YOUR response -- and your attempt at playing "good cop" to Drew's "bad cop" -- doesn't change the fact that McWeeny put his foot in his mouth BIG TIME and pissed off a helluva lot of people with his "holier than thou" attitude. Drew has been shown to be a TOTAL hypocrite and a lying bastard (given the Scorched Earth article today) who believes in conditional morals -- that is, when the conditions suit him THEN it's ok to do something.

  • June 11, 2003, 1:12 a.m. CST

    We need to get Drew's MORTAL KOMBAT 3 script and review it onlin

    by Commando Cody

    ...AND it should be Drew's FIRST draft (that is, while it's still a work in progress) AND most definitely, since he's a seasoned writer, let's have J.J. Abrams stop by and be the "guest reviewer" to go over it. So he can openly rant online -- for all the world to see -- just WHY the studio should shut down the production right away BECAUSE the script is a shit piece of writing. And to back it up, J.J. can even post excerpted parts of Drew's work to prove his point. You know, McWeeny, payback's a bitch, but oooooh so sweet when things come full circle and there's a TRUE sense of poetic justice to the proceedings. In fact, THERE'S a writing lesson for you to learn...

  • June 11, 2003, 1:22 a.m. CST

    He's not the fuckin president

    by Vern

    You guys act like your life depends on the ain't it cool news. Even if Moriarty had gone on there and told you all to suck his cock and that he was gonna kill your grandmother you'd still be blowing this out of proportion. So you hate Harry and Moriarty, you think they are hypocrites and illiterates and etc. etc. So don't fuckin read it. Read Dark Horizons or something. Or go for a walk. Take up gardening. Fer fuck's sake I can't imagine being the poor schmo that has to actually know you people in real life. "But mom, you said I had to go to bed at 8:30 because I was only 9. You said I couldn't stay up to watch 'V'. Susie is only 8 and you're letting her stay up PAST 9 pm. AND she gets to watch rated-R movies. I want an apology NOW. I have a transcript which PROVES that you said I could not stay up because of my age but now you have done a COMPLETE 180. I can't believe dad is defending you. How DARE you do this to me you HYPOCRITE." etc. etc. I mean jesus you guys leave your mom alone and learn some useful skills to contribute to society with. thanks kids. go to bed now.

  • June 11, 2003, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Harry, just say it. Mori's a god damn hypocrite.

    by jules windex

    The sad thing is Mori was right about what he said. It's just that he's the absolute wrong person to say it, since he does basically the same thing he condemns.

  • June 11, 2003, 3:02 a.m. CST

    AH HA!!! YOU SAID IN YOUR EPISODE 2 REVIEW YOU WERE ALONE. NOW Y

    by TheGinger Twit

  • June 11, 2003, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Moriarty - guilty as charged

    by fookinmonkey

    Moriarty - I am against film piracy when it funds illegal activities, gets kids christmas presents that are below standard and harms DECENT movies. I don't download or watch/buy pirate movies. But Moriarty, you do, youve seen films before release without paying, you've 'obtained' scripts your every downloader squared therefore you are a hippocrite. And you cant say that you were only addressing bootleggers because that's not what you said, besides if you say that piracy is wrong it has to be wrong accross the board, how many copies do you have to make to become a bootlegger? 1, 10, 100? do you have to sell them at cost, cost + 1 cent or $10? I dont like rioters but people who assault individuals are ok come on Moriarty please read what you write before you click save. I dont know how much the cheque was for but it sure bought your a$$, perhaps you've been promised a bootlegged copy of the Hulk? So Mori when you get your head out of your hands OJ is giving a lecture on domestic violence, George Bush is holding a seminar on world peace and green issues and Harry is doing a writers workshop on how not to name drop. Attend them all.

  • June 11, 2003, 4:43 a.m. CST

    THE RVOLUTION AHS BEGUN!! ANARCHY ON AICN! HAZRRY YOU BETTER PUT

    by silentbobafett2

    [10:52] -Moriarty- It's taken me almost 25 hours to download SPIRITED AWAY. [10:52] -Moriarty- BUT I AM WITHIN FIVE MINUTES!! [10:52] -Moriarty- IT WILL BE MINE!! [10:52] -UnLuckyTourist- You have cable? [10:52] -UnLuckyTourist- You lucky man. [10:52] -MCVamp- 25 hours good god. [10:52] -BladeRunnerUnit- moriarty, why would you do such a thing? [10:52] -Moriarty- This is the longest any film has ever taken. [10:52] -DirtyRatBastard- Spirited Away? [10:53] -Neth- Moriarty - don't sweat it. It's taken Coolashop.com 2 weeks to deliver my DVD. [10:53] -MCVamp- fastest DL ever for me was Jay and Silent Bob in 2 hours. I was amazed [10:53] -BladeRunnerUnit- moriarty, have you not already got the skill to see the quality of a disney movie by the poster alone? [10:53] -Moriarty- Because I am sick and fucking tired of waiting for Disney to stop boning American Miyazaki fans. [10:53] -Moriarty- I can't wait.

  • June 11, 2003, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Moriarty read this

    by fookinmonkey

    Moriarty, you really need to apologise and admit you got it wrong. Firstly, if people mis-spelled hypocrite that doesn

  • June 11, 2003, 6:28 a.m. CST

    I can't believe Moriarty is too cowardly to say what he did at C

    by CoolDan989

    I just visited http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=010142;p=3, and I am still in shock. First Moriarty keeps pathetically defending himself to CHUD members, and then he finally admits he's wrong, but even then, he DOESN'T MENTION HIS HYPOCRISY! And for him to not tell us this to US...It's an official fact, now, that Moriarty is a hypocritical coward. I hate that son of a bitch. I really do.

  • June 11, 2003, 7:12 a.m. CST

    I really couldn't give a toss about this argument, personally I

    by TheGinger Twit

  • June 11, 2003, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Holy Crap! Moriarity DID put his response on CHUD instead of he

    by Big Dumb Ape

    I just followed the link CoolDan989 supplied and sure enough, there's McWeeny's response. Since I don't follow the CHUD message boards, I ASSUME that's him (given the handle) and not some idiot pretending to be him (like someone tried to do in this talkback thread.) That said...and having read his reply over there...McWeeny, YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT. First, your excuse that it's easier to post a response over there as opposed to here at AICN is truly laughable. (And if that's the case, then given the prominence and popularity of AICN and given the revenue Harry pulls in between running ads, his 6 figure book deal, etc.) isn't about time you guys UPDATED the workings of this place -- certainly the message boards -- so it WOULD be easier to post here?) Secondly, are you right about the issue of internet piracy and intellectual property theft and the fiscal dangers it presents to the movie industry -- hell, to ANY industry? Yes. Speaking as a writer myself here in Hollywood, there ARE a ton of new issues that need to be addressed in the digital age. However, are YOU the person to bring forth that message or champion that cause? Gee, it would seem a helluva lot less hypocritical and I'd accept it coming from you if you weren't such a GUILTY and UNREPENTENT THIEF YOURSELF. Sorry, ace, but if you want to be a legitimate screenwriter, stroll the lots out here, take meetings with studio brass and say "I'm with you, guys! Let's make some movies!" you CAN'T ALSO be backstabbing them OR your "fellow creators" (for example, a J.J. Abrams) by accepting stolen goods (such as first draft scripts, work prints, etc.) and then both revealing them and reporting on them for all the world to see. Sorry, but that two-faced shit ain't gonna fly. And you know what, DREW McWEENY (since everyone knows your real name) being a two-faced weasel about an issue that's pretty fucking MAJOR like intellectual property theft and betraying confidential non-disclosure agreements and downloading pirated material (such as the way you apparently did with "Spirited Away" prior to it's release) MOST CERTAINLY isn't going to fly with your new studio friends. Given the way this whole flap has blown up in your face, right about now if I were you I'd be praying pretty damn hard that a lot of your studio contacts haven't been following this outcry and suddenly saying, "Wait a minute. That guy we let on the lot is the SAME guy who reports to AICN and reveals confidential material? Fuck that shit! Boot his ass NOW!" But then again, given your CHUD reply, you STILL don't seem to want to admit the sheer hypocrisy of what you condemn (piracy) and what you do to make a living...which is piracy.

  • June 11, 2003, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Wait a minute...is the Talkback order RANDOM again?

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Just testing to see where this post falls relative to the post I just submitted...which fucking ended up in the MIDDLE of the pile!

  • June 11, 2003, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Give up, sissy.

    by The Pardoner

    Just admit you've been retina-etching your XVID copy of 2 Fast 2 Furious all week, and give up your little game. That's all.

  • June 11, 2003, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Mori's Response

    by Mr. Profit

    I always thought you were level headed until your rant on bootlegging. Hey I wouldn't watch a downloaded movie, that's for my college buds who can't afford to spend 11 bucks to see a movie because books cost so damn much. I prefer the multiplex, surround sound, and finished effects. Anyhow, to tell people to "Get a Life" that's being a bit presumptious to think that the people on the site are solely consumed with all things geeky. I am sure plenty of the people who visit this site, and made it popular by visiting it, have fully functioning lives. You should apologize. You posted something, expect responses in return. If you didn't want to hear anything, you shouldn't have ever posted your opinion, nor work for a site. Now you have 2 posts to explain. Remember if we don't visit your site anymore, you have no more site.

  • June 12, 2003, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Hulk Review by Harry.

    by glavin99

    Hi I love your site. I read your advanced review and loved it, up to the ending. I'm sure you love your grandson but was that last shot at talk backer's really necessary? GREAT WEB. Call me Along-for-the-ride

  • June 12, 2003, 6:12 a.m. CST

    WOW

    by glavin99

    I just read downt he posts. Wicked stuff. I have to agree that Mori owes people a very big I'm sorry. There is a lot of do as I say in his work. I hope you solve this soon a lot of good info will be lost over a fight like this. along-for-the-ride.

  • July 16, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Five Years Later, Moriarty is Still Going Strong

    by kevinwillis.net

    And where are all of you TBers? 90% of you have vanished from the TBs. Moriarty wins, hands down.

  • Oct. 5, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Orcus outlasted most of them. Pussies

    by orcus