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Hey folks, Harry here... I saw the HULK about a week ago now, but can't put my review up till the Eleventh due to an Embargo I agreed to. As a result, I can't really tell ya how I feel about THE HULK, but I can tell you this. Personally, this is very much a CINEMATIC experience. One - You've never seen action quite like the action in this film, this is true HULK action - in the same amazing way as "Nightcrawler Action". You owe it to yourself to catch it on the big screen. The multi-panel THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR in image editting is wonderful on the big screen - and the sound - I guarantee your home system isn't up to snuff on this. So be cool, it'll be here in another week, and you'll see why HULK SMASHES! Here ya go...
Hello Harry!
I've been reading your news site for aeons but this is my first review for you. As you may guess I am not a native English speaker but please don't let that bother you. Today I had the pleasure to see a press showing of Ang Lee's Hulk in a theater in Helsinki, Finland. I am talking about the real finished movie, NOT some unfinished Internet bootleg copy - I would never ever watch one of those.
How was it? In a word, tremendous! I have never been a fan of Hulk in his comics incarnations but Ang Lee has taken the material and managed to turn into something that at the same time is both faithful to the original comics and also manages to rise above it resulting in a deliciously Shakespearean vision of this tragic character. It is wonderful that Ang Lee is not afraid to keep the movie narrative slow enough at times so as to make the viewers really care about the portrayed characters. Therefore when the action sequences roll on the silver screen they really hit you, there are several scenes where I just had to start laughing in giddy exhilaration. SPOILER: For example we see Hulk twisting a cannon of a tank so that it points at the worrying commander of the tank and we also witness Hulk carried into the stratosphere by a jet fighter. SPOILER OVER Just great, great stuff. Similarly great are all of the actors. Eric Bana was a great choice for Hulk. Likewise Jennifer Connelly as Betty and Sam Elliott as Betty's father General Ross are very good. My favorite of all the talented actors however must be Nick Nolte as Bruce Banner's enigmatic, slightly crazed scientist father.
Ang Lee has chosen to use really effective cinematic narration throughout the movie with an astounding number of weird sweeping or morphing cuts. At many points during the film the image breaks into multiple screens each showing the action from different points of view, e.g. the scene in which helicopters carry Hulk to the desert base is an instant classic with the weird music enhancing it with chilling vibes.
ILM's effect work in this film is also exceptional. The first Internet images of the Hulk character didn't really do it for me so I was pleasantly surprised at just how believable the CG character actually is. Almost everything looks great - maybe some of Hulk's bouncing scenes could have been more believable but even that may be due to the fact that it is hard to accept a guy moving a kilometer (or a mile, heh) in a single leap. I loved the anime or Akira-like ending visions with their surreal quality but some people may disagree.
So, all in all, in my opinion Hulk is definately the best superhero adaptation so far, better than the good Spiderman, and the great X-Men and X-Men 2. I have no doubt that this is all because of Ang Lee, he really is superb director who knows what matters the most. Great action just isn't enough, you need to have more. With Hulk Lee gives us not only great action and great characters but also big issues and drama of truly Shakespearean dimensions. If this movie is not successful, I shall weep for humanity =)
I am a Finnish movie reviewer and a fan of your site that is not afraid to deal with the emotional and intellectual side of the movies (although the talk-backs could be more civilized =). Please, call me ZIP.
Next - here's a completely spoiler free review...
I was lucky enough to be invited to a press screening of the HULK. Ang Lee was there to introduce it too.
Thought you might want to see my spoiler free review.
I've SEEN the movie and all I can say is if you've ever read the Hulk comic book, you are going to LOVE, LOVE, LOVE this movie!!! Ang Lee has crafted a mighty fine piece of cinema. My experience of seeing the Hulk on screen was just like being a ten year old kid again. When I left the movie theatre I was high as a kite from the sheer excitement it generated.
And forget about all those people that keep droning on and on about the lame TV show. The HULK is a comic book hero!! The TV show was NEVER a faithful adaptation of the Hulk and always bummed me out as a true Hulk Fan. The TV show was just a lame rip off of the Fugitive, except the main character turned angry and green every now and then. And another thing, Dr banner's name is BRUCE!! Not David!!! And, sorry Mr Ferrigno, I know you put a lot into your performance as the TV Hulk, but a human being could NEVER do justice to what the HULK really is. The Hulk in this movie is EXACTLY the way the Hulk is meant to be. AWESOME!!!!
Forget all those cynics that doubt the movies FX etc. Everything in this movie looks incredible. The intergration of the CG Hulk into the real environments is flawless. When you see Hulk smashing things like crazy and tossing tanks around etc, you believe he's there doing it for real!! The visual effects are among the best I've seen in a movie ever. The action scenes are amazing to behold. They are big, fast, loud and capture Hulk's awesome strength and size perfectly. And wait till you see the scene with the Mutant Dogs. It's savage, brutal and jaw droppingly exciting. It will give kids nightmares!!!
Also, Ang Lee did a wonderful job in translating the comic book feel with his clever use of split screen shots and inventive transitions between scenes. Sometimes the movie actually looks like the page from a comic book! Such a great idea and it works so well. This movie has so much energy, including the music from Danny Elfman, which is his best work yet. I really feel that he's hitting his stride as a composer of film scores. Usually his music feels seperated from the action on screen. Not this time!! The music here works so well. It enhances every scene without ever taking over. Exactly what a film score should do.
I don't want to give away the story, but Ang Lee made sure that the story reflected the very basic theme of the Hulk, and that is the theme of emotional repression. The story is based on freudian theory and explores all the ideas of repressed memory, emotional trauma and of course the unique freudian dynamic between father and son. This is not a simple story at all. It resonates on so many levels and also greatly improves upon the "science" of what created the Hulk by being true to the comic book origin, but spinning it in a new direction. So yes, we still have the gamma radiation explosion in the dessert, but this screenplay runs with that idea and creates a much bigger and complex concept for what really creates the Hulk. It also is the central thrust of the narrative as opposed to it being a simple and disposable origin like Spider-man's was. The origin and creation of the Hulk is basically the whole story of this movie.
Eric Bana is wonderful as Bruce Banner and the chemistry between him and Jennifer Connely works really well. Their relationship seems so real, so fragile and wonderfully heartfelt.
It was so important to me that this movie worked. The Hulk comic book was such a big part of my life as child and teenager and Ang Lee just got it soooooo right. If you liked X-Men and Spider-Man then you will LOVE this. If you didn't like those movies, then why go and see this? It isn't for you. Everyone else, strap yourself in cuz this is one bumpy ride!! HULK RULES!Now we have OMAC...
Hi Harry, OMAC calling in with a short review of THE (REAL) HULK which I
viewed at a press screening, this evening, at the Loews Lincoln Square Theatre on
yupper West Side Of Manhattan.
Overall this film was a surprisingly turgid
affair that finally delivered some goods in the final act. Ang Lee takes several
giant steps down the pulp ladder here as this picture delivers an endless
series of talky scenes where actors sit around trying to add perplexingly
unnecessary psychological dimensions to what seems a simple 1-2-3 concept. All of the
main protagonists are tangled in an elaborate back-story/mystery that receives
an endless autopsy but ultimately adds little or nothing to the enigmatic
nature of the scientist hero ---and created derisive laughter in the audience
here and there with a blatant lack of internal logic. For most of the running
time, The Hulk seemed to be slowly sinking in a tide of tedium. Director Lee tied
to jazz up lots of dull conversation scenes with endless flashy, flamboyant,
transitions and split screen effects that also added little and soon started
to seem trite (then downright tacky).
The special effects do wind up looking somewhat like playstation
animation----but when The HULK finally dispensed with the humans and lets the CGI take
over---I'm happy to say : the flick REALLY DELIVED SOME JUICE! A mid-story forest
battle between The Hulk and a pack of mutant beasts was strong but a little
hard to discern----and in the third act, The Hulk made great leaps across a
desert landscape with a horde of tanks and fighter planes in hot pursuit --- and
we FINALLY got a clear big, ugly green character we could understand and some
really cool prolonged battle stuff.
At this point I could only shake my head at how long we’d taken to get there
and why we’d taken the lumpy road. Here's Nole...
Harry,
Long time no scoop ... it's 'Nole' reporting on Hulk. Saw the first NYC screening of the picture earlier tonight at Lincoln Square ... and while I can't give you a detailed review because I'm at work, I did want to chime in early.
On a scale of 1 to 4 stars ... I'd give it ... 2 1/2 stars ... almost 3.
In a nutshell, the movie's pacing stinks. At least for the first half of the film. Ang Lee sets up the film in detail, but he takes way too long to get to the key part of the film ... Bruce becoming 'Ol Greenskin. He bogs things down with the science stuff ... and while it helps ground the Hulk origin at least in the ballpark of our reality ... it also completely swallows up the character of Bruce Banner. In fact, Banner is the weakest character in the film, bar none.
More on him in a sec. Jennifer Connolly was fine in her role, in fact, I really liked her. But the romance between her and Banner is completely mishandled. You just don't care about it, because it's handled at first in the past tense ... then it turns into the old 'poor, tortured Bruce' angle that was prevalent in the Hulk comics of the 70s.
Sam Elliot was great as General Thunderbolt Ross, making him a fully realized character. Instead of just rehashing the metaphoric Capt. Ahab-like character obsessed with the Hulk, Ross is seen as a concerned father and loyal patriot who truly believes he's doing the right thing.
Josh Lucas is dead-on as the despicable Glenn Talbot. A bit of a twist in the Talbot character from the comics, and it works well in making him one of the two key bad guys. Lucas seemed to relish working on the dark side, btw.
Then there's Nick Nolte. Wild, insane, going on a drug-and-booze bender Nick Nolte. His look in this film is as if Ang Lee bailed him out of jail after his now-infamous arrest, and walked him to the set. Over-the-top and completely certifiable, Nolte totally immerses himself in the character, which is good and bad.
The problem is the script. The whole father's sins follow the son angle just doesn't work; it bogs down the movie and really hurts the Bruce Banner character. Also, it seems like one of the screenwriters was assigned to write Nolte's dialogue .. because it never seemed to fit in with the rest of the stuff being said.
Actually, the best actor in the movie ... is the CGI Hulk. That's right .. the single aspect of the movie that everyone's being belly-aching about is unbelievably cool. Spectacular, awe-inspiring, groundbreaking ... freakin' amazing!
I could go on and on about it ... it was dead-on perfect. In fact, I'll come out and say it right now; They should come up with a special achievement Oscar for the ILM guys for their work, because they've broken thru ... they've figured out how to make a CGI character competely believable. I'm telling you, wait 'til you see it. This is all the proof anyone ever needs to not judge a movie's effects by the trailers or crappy illegal 'Net downloads.
Every time the Hulk smashes something or roars, or simply turns his head ... you believe you're watching a real-live Jade Giant. And the leaps .. the leaps! The first time he takes a flying leap ... I thought I was watching one of Jack Kirby's panels from the 60s coming to life on the screen.
I loved how Ang Lee perfectly captured the majestic fear the Hulk inspires in the comics. He's as powerful here as he ever was in the comics, which was great for someone like me, who liked the old TV show but hated the fact that a bullet could wound a guy who went toe-to-toe with Thor. Not here ... Hulk kick Puny Human butt here ... and it didn't matter what they threw at him!
Once the Hulk makes his first appearance in (more than a half-hour in), the film really picks up the pace. One quibble: Lee didn't create a 'Holy Shit' first appearance .... I would have liked to have had a slow buildup and had Hulk make a grand 'splash page' entrance.
Overall, it was enjoyable and a good film, with some GREAT action sequences. I just felt Lee worked too hard trying to justify the fact that he, the serious filmmaker, was making a movie about a green comic book character. At 2 hours, 15 minutes, the movie's too long ... and most of the unnecessary length is at the beginning.
And honestly, despite a plot twist I didn't see coming (and one which was a shocking and pleasant surprise), Nolte's father Banner didn't work for me. I would've preferred they focus on the romance between Betty and Bruce and get rid of the whole father angle. It seemed to paint the filmmakers into a corner they couldn't get out of.
It also hurt Bana the most. I like him a lot, but he looked like he had no grip on the character at times. Once he started sharing time with the Hulk, it got better, though.
So, that's it. Go out and see it, and enjoy the unbelievable effects that will make you believe a one-ton Greenskin Goliath can leap for miles and miles .. and that he can bitch slap most of the U-S Army. You will be blown away ... once you endure the first 35 minutes or so. Oh, and the Hulk dogs? COOL!!!!!
Peace,
Nole
Finally - here's Lord Summerisle - who wins coolest name on this page! God I love that film. Here ya go and BEWARE OF SPOILERS!
Howdy Harry.
Call me Lord Summerisle.
(Hope I didn't inadvertently co-opt that name from another aint-it-cool
reader. This is my first time writing in). Just got out of an advance press
screening of Hulk in Hollywood. Definitely a finished product -- not a "workprint"
that has caused some controversy within your site.
In a nutshell -- if you liked Spider-Man, you will probably like Hulk.
However, if you are expecting an X-Men style experience perfectly fusing great
effects with characters and plot lines that you really care about, then you might
be disappointed.
A few issues that people have been concerned about -
1. Does the Hulk look "realistic"? In a word - no. But he still looks
interesting, much the same way that Spider-Man's movements never truly looked
realistic on screen but were still fun to watch. I think most readers will know what
I am talking about. He definitely looks like a CG or rubber character. Not in
the realistic Gollum sense - but in a...well....comic book sense. If you are
looking for realism, Hulk will disappoint. If you are looking for cool "comic
book" feel, then Hulk will aim to please.
2. Is there a compelling story? In a word - no. It's not that the dialogue
scenes without Hulk were a chore to sit through. Its not as though I ever looked
at my watch or tapped my feet in impatience. But after about 30 minutes, I
must confess I said to myself, "Ok. Lets shoot this boy up with gamma radiation,
get him mad, and have him start smashing things already!" The story isn't a
distraction by any means -- but it doesn't hold the heart of the film the way
that X-Men did. The good things in this film are reserved for the Hulk
appearing on screen and smashing everything in sight.
3. Is it true to the comic? I must confess that I didn't follow the original
comic closely enough to give an opinion on this. But there is quite a bit of
backstory regarding the history of Bruce Banner's parents that I don't seem to
recall from the comic. I think many of the actual plot elements are made up -
but don't slam me if I happen to be wrong on that. What I can comment on is
that I distinctly remember Hulk being in the (very) roughly 12 - 15 foot range
in height in the comic whereas in the film he seems to tower well over 20
feet in some sequences. Also, they decided not to have Hulk speak except for a
word or two during a dream sequence and a single short sentence near the end.
Don't expect any "Hulk smash tank!" proclamations though.
Bottom line -- fun summer movie viewing. Nothing more. Though there are two
or three sequences that a very fun indeed! Hulk only appears about 4 times for
any extended period of time. The first few times he is in the dark, so you
have that "CGI during night" look that many effects people use to hide real
detail. But one battle sequence between Hulk and the U.S. Army takes place in
bright daylight in the open desert and should please even the most jaded Hulk
skeptics. This shows us what the TV show Hulk could never show - Hulk literally
smashing everything in sight that he can get his hands on. Smashing a lab to
pieces. Throwing tanks a mile over his shoulder. Picking up rubble and downing
helicopters with it. Catching missiles and biting them in two. Absolute
destruction for everything in Hulk's path. Fun stuff! Couldn't help but smile every
time Hulk would growl and smash things.
The final battle sequence between Hulk and an adversary (the identity of whom
I will keep secret for now) seemed to feel a bit shorter than it should have
been. That was disappointing. But overall, there was just enough cook Hulk
sequences to overcome the other mediocre elements to make it a worthwhile
experience. (once again think Spider-Man in terms of character and plot experience.
Not bad. Certainly doesn't distract from the good elements. It's just not the
purely satisfying experience that you will get from X-Men which admittedly
raised the bar on comic films. Though I thought the action sequences in Hulk were
a bit more enjoyable than Spider-Man. The Hulk might not look real, but at
least his surroundings did.)
Again, if you aren't expecting characters that you can really attach yourself
emotionally to, then the cast ends up doing a credible job.
Eric Banna looks eerily similar to Corey Feldman in this film until you
realize that Bana can actually act in some scenes.
Jennifer Connelly just does another riff from her "Beautiful Mind" character
here as a lab co-worker in love with Banner despite his "problem".
Sam Elliott plays an army general as well as Jennifer Connelly's father.
Doesn't quite do the army role with the panache that an R. Lee Ermey would have
done, but again he delivers the goods well enough.
Nick Nolte plays Bruce Banner's father and I must say it looks as though he
walked on to the film set directly from being released on his DUI/drug bust in
Malibu. Most everyone saw his mug shot for that one. Just picture that look
of Nolte's with a beard and you get the picture. His gruff, mumbling, manic
ways ended up working in this film, but I can't help but wonder if Nolte is
seriously imploding in his overall career direction.
Look for a couple of cool cameos by Stan Lee and Lou Ferrigno as two security
guards early on in the film.
Ang Lee must take pride that he can switch between wildly different genres so
smoothly. He obviously set out to direct this film with a literal "comic
book" feel to it. He uses some interesting transitions and split-screen panels
taken right out of comic pages (think "Creepshow" -- only more sophisticated).
Some of the split-screen work is reminiscent of De Palma's technique, but it is
only used a brief visual -- not as a real tension raising device the way De
Palma uses it for.
Perhaps the "comic book" feel was the way to go with Hulk. After all, its
just inherently silly to try and direct a "realistic" style film when you have
some big green guy in purple pants standing in the middle of San Francisco
tossing cars around.
That's my two cents. Do with it as you will.
Lord Summerisle. Out.
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Oh boy....I did it!!!
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Did you ever turn down a review from someone who was obviously breaking a NDA that they had signed? Have you ever turned down a bootleg or script that was gotten illegally? There is one different between what you do, and what we do. You're press so it's legal, but it is still STEALING.
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Boy... you big shots are avoiding Mori's rant article like the fucking plague arent you? A NDA agreement... awwww... fuck you too. Either get in there, and stand up for your boy harry, or put his ass in his place... you dont need to say shit about the flick, to have a opinion on his article. You should be ashamed harry. What a disgrace. You guys stirred up the hornets nest... and dont know how to deal with it yet? Lamas any how. Pirates. Hypocrites. Theives. Box office fuckeruppers... ya... AICN at its finest....
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This may sound crazy, but somehow I just don't see this whole Moriarty/Hulk debacle ending well for AICN. Call me a pessimist. I personally don't plan on dling the work print, and am perfectly content with waiting to catch this on the big screen. However, I do think many of those who have criticized Mori for his comments do have a point. You geeks should really respond to the talkbacks before this gets any crazier.
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Really.
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No mention from Harry about Mori's little rant yesterday? Not only that but no more link to it?? i think its a bit late to pull the plug on that one harry...everyone and their mother read that yesterday! Actually, i'd like to read your take on it all Harry, Mori has certainly pissed alot of your readers off and lets not forget, without your readers you and Mori are nothing. Give us a response and then an apoloogy.
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No mention from Harry about Mori's little rant yesterday? Not only that but no more link to it?? i think its a bit late to pull the plug on that one harry...everyone and their mother read that yesterday! And no one is going to forget it. Actually, i'd like to read your take on it all Harry, Mori has certainly pissed alot of your readers off and lets not forget, without your readers you and Mori are nothing. Give us a response and then an apoloogy.
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MORI mentioned a movie project that he was working on. He was very adamant to let us all know that he hoped that it would release next summer. I say that we teach this punk a lesson and show him that hiding like a mouse instead of taking his licks like a man should be well observed by finding out exactly what he is working on and spreading the word to BOYCOT any and all projects he works on! Just to show MORI we are all not spoiled brats who are privileged enough to sit in on screeners of movies weeks before they hit and spout out a review
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Sheeesh! This site is more schitzophrenic than John Nash! WTF?? Didn't they just put up an article complaining about this sort of thing? Whatever ......
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it seems harry has seen a
not-so-final-draft of the matrix 2. a draft were zion gets destroyed by werewolves. where
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Jun 10, 2003 7:12:00 AM CDT
Hulk "Flying" actually suspended with cables, stunningly choregr
by jaguart
Be sure to catch the lush green treetop battle. Hulk speech not dubbed over but instead subtitled into Engrish.
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I laugh at the thought of those film studio execs who squirm in their corporate seats at the thought of their shit being distributed on the internet! The music industry's been shitting their collective pants for some time now! That's what you fuckers get for overcharging for movie tickets and music cd's. As Hooper said in Chasing Amy: "the chickens is comin' home to roost, ya'll..."
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Yes I downloaded the movie and all I can say is BRILLIANT. There are some people whbining on about too much talking, yes we would have all liked to have seen the huld in every goddamn frme, but guess what they could not afford it. Some of the reviewers seem to have the attention span of 3 year old, must be shite in bed, wham bamn anyone?
It is beutifully shot film, ll well acted, Bna especiallyh gives a good performance, but the stand out was the hulk, Jesus fucking wept.
When he cuts loose you know that he is THE MAN, Except no subsitute, every fucker that messes with him gets bitch slapped period. Mkes the fucking X-Men look like the pussies the are.
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I don't think Harry had much to do with Drewie's whine yesterday. since these two have been at odds over a lot of major issues lately.....Haryy can be goofy, but I think he realized the hypocriscy of Mori's message and is trying to steer clear. I don't blame him. Let Mori take the heat on this one. He's the guy who used AICN to officially enter the Industry, not e wants us all to tow his line.....I'm not about to just sit here and be verbally abused from some asshole I helped build a name for by visiting this site.
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Sorry but I missed this, did anyone make a copy< what did Mori say, thats pissed off everyone?
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Jun 10, 2003 7:26:20 AM CDT
Could anyone have predicted how powerful this issue would become
by psyclops
I know I didn't. For what it's worth, I think both sides had some good points. The fact remains that there are still laws against piracy, whether you choose to break them or not is your business. I'm going to hold out until the theatrical release of HULK for obvious reasons (nothing beats a good theater folks, especially for this kind of film), I just find it kind of sad that certain people would choose to watch a movie on a thumbnail size MPEG than on the big screen.
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No its good VCD quality, nd I will buy the DVD. I just don't like going to the cinema. I have this think aginst having the money extrct out of me hand over fist for a small coke, nd for some reason they belive that playing the sound at just below pain theshold enhances the experience.
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http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=15389 _____________ Basically he becomes a hypocrite by saying that downloading movies is stealing and very wrong, and that we're all bad people for doing it. When this site reviews stolen scripts, stolen bootlegs, posts reviews of unfinished prints, and accepts illegal reviews by people breaking their NDA, on a regular basis. He thinks that piracy is ruining the movie industry, when the industry is having the most profitable years it's ever had. He lumps everyone into the same group, shames them, even though just about ALL priaters will end up seeing movies they watched on bootleg, and enjoyed, in the theatres. The only real problem are the people who steal these things in the first place, and sell them for profit. But he makes no mention of that, and just bitches out everyone.
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...but if Harry does come out and make a comment on this it'd go a long way to restoring some faith and credit to AICN as i doubt greatly we'll be hearing from Mori any time soon.
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Jun 10, 2003 7:43:58 AM CDT
So illegally copying an unfinished film, uploading it to the int
by fawst
Fuckin thieves.
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Jun 10, 2003 7:51:39 AM CDT
The concensus seems to say that it will be waaay better than tha
by atticus finch
But that isn't saying very much.
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Jun 10, 2003 7:57:15 AM CDT
I'd rather go see the Hulk in the theatre for the full experienc
by otter
...with the expensive snack bar, the cell phone conversations throughout, people wandering up and down the aisles, kids screaming, and the guy behind me kicking my seat and talking at the screen through the entire movie. Yeah, I'll take THAT.
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I'm looking forward to this film despite my dissapointment with Spider-man and the two X-Men T.V. pilots.
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I'm so there.
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For those simple minded amonst us. Its better than both spideyh and Xemn movies, up there with the first batman or superman. Anyone he says it is crap is a little dicked arsehole, who would not know a good film if it kicked them in the arse.
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Jun 10, 2003 8:06:19 AM CDT
Harry..... you tell us you can't tell us about the film...... th
by theginger twit
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Jun 10, 2003 8:11:21 AM CDT
Fightfightfightfightfightfightfightfightfightfightfight
by nervous twitch
Just read the rest of the talkbacks. I can't believe i missed the fun. Look. The guy is entitled to his opinion regardless of how he once stood on the subject. People change their minds all the time. If you don't agree with him then stop reading his stuff and just ignore him. Besides. I can't find my underwear.
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Jun 10, 2003 8:12:08 AM CDT
GOOD GOD, WILL YOU WHINING BABIES ALREADY SHUT THE FUCK UP AND L
by rampagingtroll
Allright, we get your point, if you're going to boycott AICN, THEN DO IT ALREADY! FUCK!! Follow through on something for once in your pathetic lives!!! And, as Randall says, fucking shit or get off the goddamn pot!
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Jun 10, 2003 8:22:34 AM CDT
Oh, come on. You know as well as I do that if Harry comes out a
by gimlimcgimpy
Why the hell should he bother? No matter what he says, it wouldn't satisfy you bloodthirsty hatemongerers. I say he should stay silent. Why should he say anything about Moriarty's opinion anyway? He had nothing to do with it being put up in the first place. Everyone knows Drew posts his own articles. It's his pile of shit he's made for himself, he's the only one that can find a way out of it.
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Oh, now I get it. Theft of a film is justified beacuse people talk about screenings they legally attended. Yah, that's pretty sound logic. Ok, they breached an NDA by talking about it. Did they toss the movie out for everyone to grab without paying for it? NO. So everyone was so offended by Mori's oppinion that they all deserve an apology now, huh? That's fucking brilliant right there. Words caused so much damage to their psyche that they need an "I'm sorry." I don't see their apology to Ang Lee and co for stealing the movie anywhere. Did I just miss it? Cuz I certainly saw no link to it. Oh wait, could it be that no one thinks they should have to give one for what they did? Go figure. Everyone thinks they're owed something in life. Fuckin weak minded victimist mentality. You stole, you were caught on it, you were called down because of it, now suddenly YOU'RE the one who deserves the apology. Go freeload a little more.
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Oh, now I get it. Theft of a film is justified beacuse people talk about screenings they legally attended. Yah, that's pretty sound logic. Ok, they breached an NDA by talking about it. Did they toss the movie out for everyone to grab without paying for it? NO. So everyone was so offended by Mori's oppinion that they all deserve an apology now, huh? That's fucking brilliant right there. Words caused so much damage to their psyche that they need an "I'm sorry." I don't see their apology to Ang Lee and co for stealing the movie anywhere. Did I just miss it? Cuz I certainly saw no link to it. Oh wait, could it be that no one thinks they should have to give one for what they did? Go figure. Everyone thinks they're owed something in life. Fuckin weak minded victimist mentality. You stole, you were caught on it, you were called down because of it, now suddenly YOU'RE the one who deserves the apology. Go freeload a little more.
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Jun 10, 2003 8:30:06 AM CDT
PLEASE TELL ME THE DIFFRENCE in reading a revirew with spoilers
by rcamacho2278
you assholes cant give reviews without spoilers you talentless fucks. Ebert NEVER gives spoilers, why dont you watch his show and get a fucken CLUE.
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Wow, what a firestorm, eh? Mori, you have consistently been my favorite on this site (I thought of you as I drove by the Ranch on the way to the wine country last week), but your comments yesterday were just too vitriolic. Yes, they smacked of hypocracy. Yes, as a screenwriter, you HAD to say them (though not to the extent) or else face a backlash from your masters in the suits. Now people are calling for Harry to offer up a counter opinion (something he can't do). If Harry were to come out and say "movie piracy is frickin cool!" then every studio head would declare war on him (not that it would be a bad thing, because it used to be that way in the "good old days") and Jack Valenti would probably appear in Austin to bitchsmack Harry's ass around (which wouldn't be that hard to do). Anyway, I have to confess downloading a film on occasion, and if I like them, I will see them in the theater (let's put it this way, George didn't get any admission revenue from me for AOTC, although I bought the DVD to use as a coaster for my morning coffee). I have the copy of The Matrix Reloaded that "everyone" has, and I have seen it in the theaters three times. I had the chance to download Finding Nemo, but I passed to see it in the theater. Mori, I think the "serial downloaders" don't cause as much of a problem as you think, and if you take the Microsoft attitude (well, the old Microsoft attitude), a little bit of piracy can start good buzz for the product (much like this website, hmmmmm). On the other hand, if a movie is shit, it's shit, and the buzz will expose that. One final word on the Hulk: every single geek I speak to has absolutely no interest in this film. I love Ang Lee, so I will be there, but I have no expectations for this film. If it ends up not sucking, I'll be happy. If it sucks, it's just like 85% of the other films available. Mori, keep plugging away. I'm pissed at you, but you aren't dead to me...
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Jun 10, 2003 8:37:36 AM CDT
The stink of hypocrisy is not coming from AICN's direction.
by lobanhaki
First of all, these are like screener reviews. This is not the same thing. Second of all, Harry and Moriarty make allowances for the state of workprints that they are shown. I also cannot remember them doing any review on a downloaded bootleg. Third, you would not pull that bullshit "I'm being overcharged" defense if you were caught stealing a high-end stereo. The judge would laugh in your face right after he threw the book at you. I mean, here's the way to get theatre prices down: attend more movies. The reason why ticket prices are being raised, is that hardly anybody goes to the theatre anymore, and if they do, it's on some frontloaded hyped up movie, where people stop going within a month or less. You see, first run is where we have the power. First run is what the execs have people show them to justify making movies. if you want to make your mark, be part of the demand side of the equation. Do not wait for supply side to get the point. Supply side will just do things like raise ticket prices, put the movie on more screens and pull other hokum to keep the revenues high. Show them what you want, where you can get their attention the quickest.
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People should practice what they fucking preach and its well known that Harry and Mori regularly view and review illegal workprints or stolen scripts. Fuck the legal screening bullshit...this site reviewed a work print of one hour photo, attended an illegal screening of AOTC (sick of hearing that one myself), get their hands on leaked scripts and Mori himself has talked about downloading off napster in his own articles. Had i not known all this backstory, or had the same kinda article been posted on Dark Horizons say, i might have posted agreeing with Mori about how poor VCD's DON'T compare to a proper screening in a Cinema but his self-righteous stance is what boils my piss and i guess it's the same for most of the people who have posted here. So Fawst, please feel free to have a go at Mori anytime you like for being a freeloader himself before he got his deal with FOX.
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Jun 10, 2003 8:54:41 AM CDT
DownLoading Movies Are Fun and Easy and make you POPULAR!
by rcamacho2278
stealing movies is what they call it. thats funny, I think if you tried to sell the movie for a profit is where your wrong, but to SEE a movie and not pay 10 bucks for it, well then that choice is yours. if someone bought a movie and brought it to your house to see, are you stealing money away from that company because you didnt buy that movie? gimme a break, what kinda commie bullshit is that. If people wanna see the workprint and decide if they wanna GIVE the company their hard earned money and time, then thats them , if the movie ends up being good they either wait to see the movie in theatres, Get the DVD or Rent it. Either way if the movie is good they WILL see it. but if the movie is SHIT, then its SHIT and it not making money is their fault not ours.
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Jun 10, 2003 8:54:42 AM CDT
Don't make me Anglee, you won't like me when I'm Anglee
by vitaly chernobyl
With all the hyperbole flying around, I'm amazed no-one has dusted off this hoary old chestnut. On days like today, thank God for Nomex eh? I feel like Michael Schumacher in Austria
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It is very odd that he is getting all bent out of shape because of people pirating movies. I think that the real point that he tried to make across was the fact that morons should not be passing judment of an unfinished film and letting it know to the world. Some motherfucking moron called the 'Howard Stern Show' yesterday morning and started ripping 'The Hulk' apart by saying that the plot seemed bad and the effects looked horrible. That motherfucking moron that called the 'Stern show needs to be punched in the face with a concret boxing glove. People like that only hurt the expectations of movie-goers that were indesicive wether to see the film or waiting until 'Charlie's Angels' comes out. I cannot stress the fact that Moriarty's rant was kind of odd to say the least, this website has a special appeal because it is the closest to a guerrilla rebel camp. People come here to be unorthodox and speak their minds about the garbage that Hollywood puts out and to talk about those films that we hold close to our hearts no matter how bad they are to others. Moriarty needs to explain himself before this website crashes with a post overload. Oh, and for those of you reviewing the unfinished copy of the Hulk and complaining: Shut the fuck up, wait until the movie comes out and then passed your stupid fucking comments that you attempt to mask them as reviews. Fuck you motherfuckers, watch the bootleg and shut the fuck up if you don't have anything positive to say. By the way, I like bootleging in the hiatus between the movie is finally out of the theaters and the DVDs. Fuck you incomplete movie bashers, watch 'em and SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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I don't know what all the hubbub is about. I thought Mori's diatribe on the evils of downloading movies was Achingly Lovely! Alrighty then... Drew's an arrogant fucking hypocrite. Who didn't know this already? Feh.
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..is that you all will continue to visit this site daily, hell, almost hourly..so despite all the comicbook fanboy bs posturing, you'll be back.. I doubt the rest of us would be lucky enough for you whiners to leave with your lame bean-pole comments..
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I don't think I am off base in saying we have all done one thing when we said we'd do (or not) do another. Everyone I know has done something hypocritical, it's just life. Aren't we the same site who rallied behind him when he reviewed 'Reloaded' with a level head and an air of professionalism? And now we're off on a witch hunt trying to persecute him? My God, we are a silly, easily-swayed mob. I'm behind Moriarty, I may not agree with what he says, but he has the right to say it.
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And we have the right to ridicule him for it.
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Get off the damn net and go back to school, ya morons.
it's spelled H Y P O C R I S Y
not
H Y P O C R A S Y
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H Y P O C R A C Y
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H Y P O C R I CY
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Jun 10, 2003 9:17:35 AM CDT
If I had a gamma ray explosion in my dessert, I'd ask for a damn
by ray garraty #47
Or at least send it back. But that's just me.
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When will this place ever get some decent forum software?
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Oh, and to whoever was saying that there is no difference between downloading an illegal copy of a work print, and seeing an advance screening...well, full of shit comes to mind. Advance screenings are sanctioned; illegal downloads aren't. As far as the whole AOTC advance review thing goes...that whole deal screamed "Lucas publicity stunt" to me. And besides, that was Harry, not Mori...and we know they don't see eye-to-eye all the time.
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Fuck AICN Fuck Harry and Fuck McWeeny.
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Read the first line of my first post. Oh, and read this as well...part of Mori's post. READ it.
"Shame on you. All of you. Not everyone reading this, of course, since most of you are sane, normal, law-abiding citizens. I -
First off, i personally agree with Mori on this to a point......its one thing to download media you cant find, or is damn hard to find anywhere else online...until somebody gets the stroke of genius to release Ren & Stimpy and Invader Zim on DVD, I'll be hitting Kazaa with a vengeance with the rest of ya.....its something else to download music readily available in stores.....thats really nothing more than the modern day equivalent to trading tapes with your friends....downloading movies, 98 percent of the time, is a whole other world.Theres a REAL thin line as to what's acceptable here.....however, no matter what the media is, pirating shit before it's even released to the general public is not only illegal, but its an insult to the people who made it. What's worse, these mental defectives who are writing in reviews of these dont even have the good taste to make any sort of allowance for it NOT being finished work, another disrespect to the artists. But, the issue here is that AICN posts reviews of stuff before their release all the time....the most blatant perpetrator being Harry's first AOTC review....but, I'm sorry, i believe this is on a whole different level...when people write in from test screenings and sneak previews and such, they themselves are breaching the slip of paper they signed to get in. What they do with that information is their business, and technically, they did see the movie legally. When Harry got to see AOTC, it was a private thing, just him, 2 or 3 other people, no contract....how this little screening came about, he'll never tell, but he didnt resist the chance. If it was indeed a bootleg, then shame on the bootlegger, i hope he lost his job. Harry simply accepted the chance given to watch it, came back here with his thoughts. He even made every allowance that the effects and score were not in place, and as a result, his review was mostly of the story. he didnt ask to make a copy of the flick, and run around the AICN chat room saying "anybody who wants it, come to this address!" However, the mental defectives with the Hulk workprint simply saw it was available, and ran after it like Gollums after the the fucking ring, and took a piss on it, just because they could. Analogy: somebody took a picture of the Mona Lisa....somebody showed it to Harry, Harry told a few of his friends "its nice so far, cant wait till its done"...people at test screenings get to see the picture, presented by DaVinci himself, before its done, see if he's doing anything wrong. the mental defectives took the picture out of DaVinci's studio, made Xerox copies of it for the whole world to take, and tried to tell everyone "its shit. she doesnt even have a face, but I know its shit.", and proceeded to keep handing out copies to their friends. its not hypocrisy. thats nothing more than theft. My sole disagreement with Mori is how damaging it really is. The word of mouth is the damage. Financially, i can tell you, from an industry thats been making close to $100 million a week since May 2nd, a couple of short bus rejects arent putting THAT big a dent in the box office. But that point of view is more than likely from Mori now being involved in the industry on that level where budget is a much clearer issue. That doesnt make his point any less relevent.
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Its REALLY fuckin funny that most of the people who are saying "Fuck Harry and Mori, and fuck this site" are STILL HERE....
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Gimp, you crack me up.
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...regarding the advance reviews.
I really don't understand why some of these reviewers are saying that the film has slow pacing...isn't exposition necessary in a narrative? Sure, I am dying to see the Hulk smash the flipping shit out of everything onscreen, but I'd like to know why. The reviews say that "nothing happens" in the first 30 minutes of the movie...well, that's not exactly an eternity...and besides, this is, for all intents and purposes, an origin story. Exposition needs to be made. The first X-Men may have seemed to drag a bit, but it was necessary to get the audience emotionally involved in the characters. -
I so agree. That's what makes me believe in this film, the fact that Ang Lee is in charge. This is his vision, and I'm very confident it's going to make me cry and drop my jaw, and just amaze me. One of my favorite part of the trailer is the end when Bruce's dad tells him they'll need to watch his temper, and Bruce gives him this sweetest of looks, innocent and a little pissed though -- it's the little things that are going to make "Hulk" a winner I think. Yes, the action, but the little things too, and Ang Lee is the reason why such scenes are possible, and why they weren't just pushed aside for the more spectacular, the louder smashing -- though I of course expect a great deal of smash, too.
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I found my underwear.
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Jun 10, 2003 10:16:47 AM CDT
The posyers at this site are like the fickle mob in "The Simpson
by aquafresh
I'm so sure that none of you are hypocrites in any way.
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Some guy has recently been posting absurd messages about Hulk Hogan on different threads. So in that great tradition, I think Hulk Hogan should be cast in the lead role for Hulk 2! He's got the name and the 'tude. Just splash some green paint on him, get Hulk TV director Kenneth Johnson, who also made the legendary Short Circuit 2, and you'll have a cool lo-budget lo-fi retro throwback to the 70s/80s Hulk smash action! And get former Karate Kid Ralph Macchio to play an evil meglomaniac, and you'll have a kick ass action flick with top drawer acting and directing talent! Hogan and Macchio In:
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Last year, I had access to a server that had fansubs on it. It was certainly one of the most enjoyable experiences of my life, watching all the different anime shows there. I mean it was a treasure trove. I was able to experience a wider array of anime than I could have simply by watching the Cartoon channel. It's what's called fansub. It's done with the knowledge of those who make the series, and it's pretty much tolerated. Why? Because it provides word of mouth. Because it allows a wider range of experience for viewers, who will in turn buy the professionally translated version, and other products when they come to market. That's about the greyest I've ever gotten. But I got this stuff by FTP. I have not, and most likely will not use Morpheus or Kazaa. Why? Because that culture is less about distributing the inaccessible and more about making the accessible free, even when it's against the law. If your Morpheus or Kazaa allows you to see a great home movie, or hear a killer new band's song before they have a record deal, then it's doing good. It's truly democratizing things In my case, the FTP site allowed me to see shows I'd never had a chance to see otherwise. Rah Xephon is a good example. It was months before even the first volume of the series hit stores stateside. Second, most of the time it's not necessary unless you want to save a few piddling dollars. I can rent a movie for few bucks, buy it for a few more, go to see it first run where it was meant to be seen, for a price somewhere inbetween. That means, it's pretty much cheap shit to download a pirated copy. If you're poor enough that even that is a chore, well, there's something called MAKING A CHOICE. See, when you do get the money, spend it on something you've heard from sources you trust is good. Rent it. It might cost a few bucks, but you get what you pay for. Plus, you don't have to waste time on stuff that doesn't cut it. And if it's out there before it hits theatres? Leave it alone. You'll get shorted either way. There are a million subtle little things that go into your experience, and it is a shame if the corporate system has so pounded the notion of quality and taste out of your skull, that you don't want to find the best possible way to see something. If you're that much of a philistine, you deserve the corporations, because you have precisely their viewpoint on quality.
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I think you guys are missing a big issue here....who gives a flying fuck what Moriarty thinks?...I come to this site to learn about movies that I might want to see, and read dirt on projects that I'm interested in...I could give a shit what Harry or Mori think about stuff...Mori works for some fat kid who started a website w/ his Dad's money, who cares what he has to say? He's the type of kid that I beat up in HS, but now I realize that the geek can tell me stuff I want to know...I don't really care what he has to say about anyting else....hey Mori, I'm gonna go out tonight and have sex with some women that I'm never gonna talk to again, you wanna yell at me? I don't even download movies, either, that's the funny thing here!!
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Start the campaign now for Mr. T to take the lead in Hulk 3, and get Chuck Russell to direct! I can see it now: "I pity the fool who make me angry!" And the chief villain can be played by Steve Gutenberg! T & Guttenberg In: HULK 3 - A Film by Chuck Russell - Summer 2005! Yeah!
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I don't know what people are expecting by some movies these days. The sincere attempt made by Ang Lee to bring the jade giant to the big screen is getting dissed even before normal people can pass appropriate judgement! I just can't wait to see him on the big screen! I bet you this movie is going to rock! I have changed my mind, give Moriarty a chance to shoot himself in the foot like FETT does constantly in the talkbacks. It is more fun that way!
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You all loved Moriarity before, now you're piling on him like he's a jelly donut. So what if Mori is a sellout (like Harry). They're only human. Whaddaya want, integrity? start your own movie website, and see if you can keep yourself pure in the rare chance that a movie studio tries to offer you goodies, junkets and advertising dollars. Not trying to be an AICN plant but all this screaming and moaning seems overblown. In fact maybe it touched a guilty nerve somewhere . . . ?
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the Lord Sommersomething says "if you are expecting an X-Men style experience perfectly fusing great effects with characters and plot lines that you really care about, then you might be disappointed"
That might be the dumbest thing I have ever read.
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Jun 10, 2003 2:44:34 PM CDT
Atticus Finch and his tired Matrix review...Pirate copies...I'm
by lost skeleton
UGGHHHHHHH!!!!
I'm going off on a rant right now!
1.) Piracy- I don't give a rats ass what you motherfuckers who download movies do. Moriarity had his point...he made it...end of the fucking discussion. If you want to download and watch an unfinished film on a shitty 10 inch monitor with bad sound, be my fucking guest. This is the Western world...fucking enjoy. But don't spew your stupid ass logic and comments on a talkback about the Hulk. Shut the fuck up...jerk off to your porn and keep visting AICN like you always will...fucking boycott, give me a break.
2.) Atticus Finch- okay, you didn't like Reloaded. We understand. You have only been saying that dumb shit on every fucking talkback. Right now, we are talking about the Hulk...not Reloaded. Reloaded is done for now. Hang it up. You spent your coins on the movie, you wasted some time...I'm sorry but let it go. Personally, I hope you are found dead in your mom's basement with that fake electronic pussy that you get off with straddled on your shit-soaked tighty-whiteys. But I will let it go for now....turning back into normal Guss. -
hey didn't Harry say he liked Jar jar binks?...anyway, I recomend to all views of movies to never listen to critics reviews, they are all bullshit. I have read all the reviews of Reloaded and most are bad, I saw it and Loved it, has that ever happenedto you or is your opinion based on reviews. I wonder how many movies have been soured by bad reviews? Most the CGI in the trailers look like CGI and I hope ang lee set up the audiences mood to accept to forget it is CGI, i hope
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...try not to step on all the lovely PLANTS.
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a fucking plant, that's what.
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I've never downloaded a movie, but I download plenty of music and I'm proud of it. Sure it's illegal, but screw it, so is driving above the speed limit or receiving oral sex in many states. Just because something is "illegal" doesn't mean you've suddenly got the moral high ground you arrogant ass, especially considering your history. If the fact that those in charge of production lose totalitarian control over the means of distribution alters the market, then so be it. It's called market dynamics and it happens. Deal with it. And get off your high horse and shove your judgmental pronuouncements up your candy ass. Fortunately, I don't have to wish that your precious "project" is going to suck because I'm sure you will take care of that yourself. Pseudo-intellectual poseur hick.
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I thought Nicole21 had a very good post. You go girl.
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That's right. I'm going to defend Moriarty's right to speak his mind. Maybe he seems like a two-faced hypocrite to most of the talkbackers here, but so what? He had a point to make - well, a few related points, really - and he presented them eloquently. You can disagree with his position on downloading movies before their theatrical release, but you can't argue with the fact it IS illegal in the US. Whether the practice is tasteless and shameful is up for grabs, in my opinion. I also realize most people on this site hate high ticket and food prices in theatres, so they see downloading films as a "fuck you" to the movie industry. That's cool, but again it's only an opinion, not a fact. As to whether Moriarty is a hypocrite who uses this site to forward his own career goals...well, I've enjoyed Mori's opinions for several years, and I would say he's always presented thoughtful critiques for or against movies he's seen. If it helps him succeed in the movie business, what the fuck do I - or all of you - care? Are you so despondent and misguided that you can't let something like that go? He's a good writer, and I'm actually looking forward to the film he's making. It might suck, but I don't know that yet. I feel Mori stated his honest opinion utilizing the events in his own life as influences, the majority of which I'm not familiar. My opinion: download your movies before their theatrical releases or not, regardless of what Moriarty says, but realize he DOES have a valid opinion. I'm out.
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Jun 10, 2003 6:02:21 PM CDT
After a disappointing summer so far, how funny would it be if "T
by mr. waturi
OK, maybe not that funny.
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Jun 10, 2003 6:07:21 PM CDT
The HULK is the sexiest tomboy beanpole in Ang Lee's pants.
by det. john kimble
All this review/talkback bullshit is just that: bullshit. I could give a rat's ass what any of you think. I will see the film in the theater and decide for myself like all beings with higher brain functions have chosen to do. I guess if you guys saw the storyboards or an animatic of the Hulk you'd be whining about the pencil work, so let the folks who've actually SEEN the FINISHED version share actual thoughts. It's like Radiohead's album 'coming out' on the internet before they were done mixing it - that's not really the goddamn album. I guess if you guys saw Van Gogh's palette you steal it and start claiming that Sunflowers is a piece of crap because he's using Cerulean Blue and not French Blue. Fuck you all. Ang, here comes my 9.50.
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..it`s not ok to post totally negative reviews,blaming it on the fact that they were based on a workprint.No matter that some(mine included)said that the story was a pile of shit,rather than concentrating on the shitty(whether finished or not)effects?
Seems like a few backhanders and plants going down here.
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Some of you people who post on here and tell Moriarity or Harry to fuck off are idiots. They both know a hell of a lot more about movies then any of us do. Im tired of reading people bitching out Harry when they dont agree with his reviews and dont like what he has to say. If you dont like it, dont fucking read it. They put a lot of time and effort into this site, so to all of you bitches out there, shut the fuck up!!!!
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Always wondered this and from the pics his pants grow too so I thought maybe everything did.
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Why is it that you assume that every positive review is a plant? I sincerely believe that you poor misguided people WANT these films to be bad. Yes, we all know that the "Hulk" trailers from six months back were a little funky. Whatever. The reliable word is that Ang Lee's film is something other (thank God) than the fanboy fellatio of a picture like "X-2," where you all get excited because someone spent 100 million dollars and didn't change anything from the comic book. I got news for you, folks... The comic book is not a particularly elevated art medium. Yes, Alan Moore and Grant Morrison and Frank Miller were and are fine writers. But when translating a three-color comic book written for ten year olds to a big budget spectacle aimed at the general public, you simply have to expand on the material. Do you knuckleheads really think Bryan Singer was saying something radical about racism in his "X-Men" pictures? Jesus God! They're fun, sure, but they're beyond shallow. Point is, why aren't you all more excited by the idea that an arguably great filmmaker (Ang Lee) is taking an arguably great comic book property (The Hulk, rife with potential for subtext), and attempting to turn it into an art picture? Maybe it's good, maybe it's not... But how can you be so dreadfully negative about the film's potential? Is it because you're so jaded at 17 that you can't imagine anything delievering on your eight bucks? Or is it simply that, given the public forum that AICN provides with these message boards, you can't think of anything better to do than mouth off and fling shit? I for one have a feeling "Hulk" will be the best movie of the summer. Doesn't ambition count for anything? I really think that the great experiment that was AICN has, for the most part, failed. In giving a forum to the great unwashed, the only thing that has been revealed is that the Fanboy Nation would rather swing their dicks around and make orgasm jokes than actually say anything interesting. This generation is a footnote to a footnote...
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I'm sorry I missed what was said. Can someone let me in on it.
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Jun 10, 2003 8:23:31 PM CDT
Ang Lee reinvents the Hulk...and it's the scariest tomboy beanpo
by truthseekr1488
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Jun 10, 2003 8:39:00 PM CDT
"The Hulk Upstairs...RESONATES with the emotional intelligence o
by truthseekr1488
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Um, how many of us who are not professional editors on the order of Stuart Baird or Dov Hoenig or Michael Kahn, or David Brenner, or Ann Coates, or even fans them, to be qualified to say a flic stinks because of "pacing"? Just bring this up because pacing to most mainstream xmen fans means it's up the standards of xbox.
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That no other comic book movie can compare. Thats quite understandable.
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Just came on here to get some buzz about The Hulk (my favorite childhood memory soon-to-be-a-major-motion-picture), maybe speculate, y'know, have a few laughs. Instead, once again, I feel as though I have definately shown up at the the wrong kinda party. You know, the one where the Dennis Hopper-esque gentleman tells you to sit the fuck down and don't breath a word about what's going on... Brrr. Anyway, STILL looking forward to the movie, and remember, it's all fun and games until somebody writes a goddamn essay on what fools we fanboys be.
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If you didnt get special treatment and see movies before the public (and us) you'd be downloading em aswell, Check ya Uncle Tom
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We all know that this movie is going to rock regardless of the frickin critics. When have they gotten 1 Marvel review correct?
Anyway this movie is a set-up for Hulk 2 where there will be much more smashy-smashy and much less blah-blah-blah. Origins are annoying to deal with for the first 30 minutes, but we have to suck it up to get the cool-ass reward at the end. -
That`s why a clean-shaved Nick Nolte should have played him. Ross is a closed-minded army general who shouts like Patton. He doesn`t have wisdom, he`s also not particularly intelligent. He`s mad because he`s responsible for the Hulk, the gamma bomb experiment was his duty. BUT what was the point of Ang Lee wanting to translate the subject matter to the screen as if it was a fucking comic-book? I`M A COMIC-BOOK FAN BUT I DON`T WANT THAT! Alan Moore said it himself, it`s pointless for him to get involved because it`s a different medium! Do it like a regular sci-fi movies, dammit! I hope the film and the creature are realistic as possible because there will be Hell to pay. Also the reviewer that mentioned the CGI in Spiderman as a great example of what we`re going to see it`s a bad example BECAUSE IN SPIDERMAN THESE EFFECTS SUCKED!
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Bruce was his middle name. His first name was Robert. The TV show pulled David out of thin air.
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Will reserve judgment till I see the movie! Trailers looked like a combo of Shrek and Donkey Kong but it wasn't ready, EW reported that the marketing insisted on the "before-it-was-ready" action shots so I wasn't sweating it...c'mon guys, do you actually think Dennis Muren and ILM would get shown-up by WETA?! Anyhoo, of course its gonna drag in the beginning cause the origin has to be told but the reward will be at the middle and end AND of course-if this film breaks 200mil- in HULK 2!! If they keep out Doc Samson, She-Hulk and intro the Leader and Abomination then HULK 2 will rock the same way X2 did!
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Fuck the Hulk, everyone shit yourself over Dylan's movie. C'mon, it's Bob Fucking Dylan, I don't care if he is not an actor, he is Bob Fucking Dylan. He does as he pleases.
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Jun 11, 2003 3:08:33 AM CDT
Even though this movie was average, see it again so we get a SEQ
by joeblowe
I didn't think the movie was all that great, but it was fairly interesting. Not better then X2 or Reloaded, but still worth watching. I'd love to see what they do with Hulk2, so everyone go see this movie so they get a large opening and the exces decide on Hulk2. Also I have questions... Where was Thor in the movie? I heard there was a Thor cameo. And what the hell happened at the end? His father absorbed rock, and then water.. And then they just lost me, what the hell was going on. Why didn't his father turn into a Hulk when he touched him, from absorbtion? Spanish Banner was funny. This movie needed more comedy though.
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BROTHER!
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I mean, we see Hulk's green ovaltines..I'm all for equal opportunity exploitation..go rent the Hot Spot boys, thank me later. Fuck you assholes would have all seen it already. If we see Nick Nolte's ample man boobs..we're in for 400 mill worldwide easy
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Watch the final product and shut up in the mean time. If you bastards gave Daredevil a chance and that turned out to be a disappointment, you could at least give Hulk the benefit of the doubt. Good god! Spider-Man had a guy in a bad Tromaville costume and some really, really bad cgi animation and everybody though it was the greatest thing in the world! What tha' hell is going on? Are you motherfuckers upset that you cannot relate to Dr. Bruce Banner because he is a smart scientist and you are jaded, dumb talkbackers? You have to be nincompoop to apply this logic. You know that all of you that are criticizing this movie before it comes out know that deep down inside that what you REALLY wish is that all comic book related films fail and a new fucking convoluted Matrix movie comes out every two months.
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my frens got it, it is enjoyable, i would to enjoy it,again may be with him, in the big screen
poor, Ang Lee, the man who release it(bootleg), i think he should do it like madonna, adding f******
highly recomended, i think it will surpass x men 2, maybe the matrix due to its pg-13, spiderman ...(till now i still never see it)
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