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Shot for shot CG Remake of PINNOCHIO by Disney'
Hey folks, Harry here... Ya know... sometimes I swear my conversations are bugged. The other day after watching FINDING NEMO with my Pops, but before I started taping my show for SKY MOVIE NEWS, on the drive home we were talking about how brilliant FINDING NEMO was, and how it really isn't the CG, but the storytelling that was so damn fantastic. We were complaining about what a shame it was that Walt Disney can't do that anymore, that for whatever reason... (READ - Corporate Micro-Management of an Artistic Medium) ...their creativity seems fairly stifled. This was when Father Geek mentioned the nightmare that was that lame frickin' FREAKY FRIDAY trailer... citing it as evidence of what Disney has become.
Then I stated, yeah... The success of FINDING NEMO and these Pixar films are sending the wrong message to Disney. They honestly believe it is the CG that is attractive and not the difference in the process by which Pixar makes their films, which puts story and creativity and communication at a high point. Then I told Dad... swear to God... "10 to 1 -- Eisner will probably begin doing shot for shot remakes of Disney Classics in CG calling it 'envisioning the classics for a new generation'" At this point, Father Geek said, "Never suggest that on the site, those idiots would do that in a heart beat." To which I said, "And they'd start with PINNOCHIO!"
I had sworn an oath to my father, I wouldn't broach the subject... then tonight, Sir Etch-A-Sketch called me up and told me:
"But imagine re-creating "Pinocchio" from scratch, ala Van Sant's PSYCHO (shot for shot remake) but in CGI, "for a new generation to enjoy". Apparently a new generation that isn't sophisticated enough to enjoy the original for the masterpiece of artwork that it is…"
Apparently, Eisner has started suggesting this, very quietly, but the rumor is, this is just the tip of the iceberg. You see, with Pixar likely moving on, and them emerging as a viable THREAT to Disney Corporation as the center of Quality Family Animation... well... We've joked about George Lucas remaking the original Star Wars Trilogy with All CG in 10 years, but... god... Can you imagine? I can see them doing this and then... the classics will never be reissued in cinemas for future generations of parents and kids to enjoy in theaters like their parents and their parents and their parents and their parents before them. Sigh... Sir Etch-A-Sketch is looking for more details... If you work in the Mouse House and have heard anything about this... Drop me a line... I'm curious to hear how far this has gotten... Is it just in discussions, or have those creatively stunted executives fully set it in motion?
Read the NEWSWEEK Story I just got forwarded... this'll kill ya!
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I can't believe how misconceived this idea is. How do these people get in the position where they can make these kind of bonehead decisions. Do the people at Disney
have any understanding of how they came to rule animation in the first place? Do you remember that Simpsons episode where a dog character was added to Itchy & Scratchy? I imagine the board meetings at Disney are just like that, "Hey, how about doing Treasure Island?" "No, kids these days don't like great stories well told, they need pop-culture references, extreme sports scenes and CGI backgrounds. Forget the fact that this is one of the great adventure stories, we need something that will appeal to the Playstation generation!" "Well how about...Treasure Planet?" "Sounds great!". I wish Pixar would make a 2-D animation film, just to show Disney how fucking useless they are. -
Why the hatred? The trailer looks hilarious!
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But when you have everyone giving glowing reviews to CG junk like Finding Nemo, can you blame them? I read a few days ago that they might be doing CG sequels, which is a better idea and what they'll probably wind up doing. At least it won't look as bad as the traditional animation in their direct to video junk. But no doubt, Disney is gasping for air at this point...not that they've haven't been in this situation before. But this time there is a viable alternative to the animated feature, and that is the CG feature. Obviously, Disney is doing what they feel they need to do at the moment to compete with this fad.
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May 30, 2003 7:44:35 AM CDT
Dinosaur taught them nothing. I shoulda bet money on this happe
by drath
I bet I'd have made a bigger profit than I'll get from my Disney stock if I had!! At this point, I'm ready to give up on Disney. What else can be said? The beancounters have taken over and are stifling creativity with their cowardly second guessing and get-rich-quick mentality. The animators want to leave but are trapped in long term contracts, prisoners like the mutant toys in Sid's room from Toy Story--only Sid obviously had more imagination than any Exec. I wish to god Dreamworks could get their act together, but I think the only strong animation studio that'll come out of all this is Pixar. Apart from Japan, old fashioned animation is looking doomed.
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Gotta agree with Harry on this one. It's not the CG...it's story....story....story!
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Fucking Hollywood marketing comittees, fuck them up their STOOOOOOOOOOOOOPID ASSES! Why would anybody think this is a good idea?? We are force fed bullshit scripts written by teams of 30 and marketed at a specific demographic. Will PINNOCHI-FUCKING-O be a street talkin, skateboard skitchin', down with the kids dude? Will JIMINY-FUCKING-CRICKET be a 400-pound black extreme-sports wanka? BOLLOX is what I say to this. BOLLOX.
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Oh God, please stop right there. Disney, if you're considering this, please DON'T DO IT. That would simply be wrong. Disney is better than that. They can still make good films if they really wanted. No-one would be fooled by such a pathetic cash-in, it would go the way of Van Sant's Psycho: flushed down the toilet of history, never to be remembered again except for its sheer folly.
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May 30, 2003 7:52:45 AM CDT
Not even warewolves, vampires, chapstick, beanpoles, Hulk Hogan,
by mbaker
They've been sodomised by...of all things...pinheaded monkeys!
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And then, finally, VR with distributed networking. Animation will overtake live action if someone has the courage to meld all these technologies together into a new art form. It's coming.
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Give A little whistle, BROTHER!
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May 30, 2003 8:32:54 AM CDT
Would the CGI re-imagined Bambi:Dead Raped Deer in the Forest re
by a winner is you
Sorry, just cashing in on the possibly semi-new catchphrase 'round here. But seriously, what in the world is wrong with Disney? PINNOCHIO is one of the greatest animated movies ever made, bar none. It's bad enough that Roberto Benigni had to shit on the legacy of the story; now, Disney feels the need to shit on the legacy of their own untouchable version of the story? Un-frickin'-believable.
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May 30, 2003 8:39:21 AM CDT
I don't know what the new hunters should do to Bambi's mom..
by grammaton cleric
Does the deer rape come before or after death?
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but, sadly, if Disney does put out this steaming pile of crap, it will make money. Disney has become masterful at promoting garbage like this enough that it will make enough money to justify the next steaming pile. Corporations are in the business of making profit, but sadly, Disney started as the anti-corporation. They originally started as a haven for imagination and innovation. The multi-plane camera is a good example. Disney used to push the envelope of movie making. From Snow White to Tron, they used to seek out or invent new ways to tell a story. Now, since Eisner has run so thoroughly amok with the creative side of the company, the only way to save it is for Eisner to die (he will never leave voluntarily while making tens of millions of dollars in "bonuses" every year, and the stockholders won't vote him out because he does wring out a profit every year at the expense of Disney's reputation and heritage) and then a miracle must take place. That miracle will be for the next leader of the company to be an artist. Like Walt Disney, the head of the company should rightfully be an innovator and pioneer. A visionary that can find new and better ways to tell a story. ... ... Sorry if I sound a bit vengeful toward Eisner. I used to work for Disney and while I was there I saw big changes for the worse. Disney should not be like every other entertainment company. They used to be better, and I hate that they aren't any longer.
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Folks, this will inevitably lead to what will be the downfall of Eisner. you don't fuck with a classic. Pinocchio is one of the most loved and beautiful HAND DRAWN NOT CG movies ever made. Now Eisner wants to bastardize the classics. Next, he'll make a machine that will show Walt Disney spinning in his grave and then he'll charge forty bucks for it!
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I totally agree with you! Di$ney needs to be run by an artist like Walt. Not an empty suit like Eisner!
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May 30, 2003 10:00:07 AM CDT
There was a disturbance in the Force Harry, and you felt it with
by 007-11
Typical, just typical. Eisner will do ANYTHING for a buck. Especially when it comes to raping the shit out of classic Disney movies. As if those straight-to-video sequels weren't horrible enough. When will they find their way back to the path?
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If they do remake this, I hope like hell it is Beningi's version.....and while they are at it....remake CGI versions of the entire Renny Harlin catalog....nothing better than seeing Dice Clay's comeback via a Dell.....And thus, I have spoken! - - - George The 7th Chicken!!!!
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WELL HOLY FUCKING SHIZZNITS AND CRACKERS!!!! I SAY WE NEED A LIST OF THOSE FILMS THAT ARE IN A DESPERATE NEED OF CG REMAKES...IT WOULD SAVE ALL THE CLASSICS....LIKE
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This is a cool idea. I'd love to see the Disney Classics in 3-D. So would my kids. We've got the old versions on DVD and they're great, but come on Harry 3-D!!! Disney owns the stuff, they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. Besides, you'll give it a good review when it comes out. You always do.
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Just the other day I was looking at what Disney had coming up (Dumbo II) and wondering what else they could do to rape their classics. The worst *I* could imagine was a sequel to Bambi. But this... It beggers (and buggers) belief. ... When are the stockholders going to wake up and realize that, as much good as Eisner did in the 80s, he's now destroying the company and Walt's name?
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Mr. Eisner mentioned this in a conference last week, if memory serves correctly. Variety said it was so! Pardon for the nit-pick.
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May 30, 2003 11:06:30 AM CDT
I'm pretty confident we'll get an all CGI Episode 7,8 & 9.... an
by theginger twit
There will be another space film made the way the original star wars films were made... mark my words... I know that which I speak!
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May 30, 2003 11:22:46 AM CDT
"They honestly believe it is the CG that is attractive and not t
by rev_skarekroe
Was that supposed to make sense? Proofread, man! sk
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You, and your kids, suck.
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May 30, 2003 11:23:18 AM CDT
Aren't they already definitely doing this w/ The Last Unicorn?
by nice marmot
Sorry, just posted w/out reading the talkbacks.
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Hogan's black lightsaber is a sexy tomboy beanpole. BIATCH!!!!
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...and I refuse to watch them !
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May 30, 2003 12:12:30 PM CDT
Somewhere, computers are humming away as they process render cha
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why mess it up?
Pixar is clearly the animation house of the 21st century. They have the right attitude, Steve Jobs leaves them enough alone, and they focus on story and charcaters, not gimmicks, first.
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FIRE MICHAEL EISNER! The guy's the worst thing that's ever happened to Disney!
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This will probably never happen. It is not even up to the "rumor" stage at this point. There are more important things to worry about.
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Thanks for your input. At least I'm not bitching about something that's totally inevitable and out of my control. I don't see what's such a crime about taking the images from a classic and updating them with new technology. I suppose you ride a horse to work and still use a typewriter. This is the future, bitch. Deal with it.
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My kids are really little and enjoy CGI movies like Monsters Inc and Toy Story. Lay off.
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May 30, 2003 2:51:07 PM CDT
Pinnochio's lyin' nose is the sexiest tomboy beanploe on the pla
by rupert cornelius
Stromboli sodomized by ... of all things ... a monkey! Claire Danes as the Blue Fairy! Geppeto has a beer and cheets on the bomb in his ribcage! He carves a replacement Pinnochio with a black lightsaber and calls him Grando! Pinnochio escapes from the whale to fight off vampires and werewolves! All your puppets are belong to us! The whole thing resonates with the emotional intelligence of Graham Greene!
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May 30, 2003 2:55:47 PM CDT
Mbaker: Akima is the ONLY tomboy beanpole on planet Bob. (n/t)
by tbrosz
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They should make a live action version of one of their lesser films, The Sword in the Stone. They could do all the animal effects as CGI, and a live version of Merlin and Wart (say,Haley Joel Osment as Wart and Patrick Stewart as Merlin) could compete for the Harry Potter audience.Remaking Pinocchio would be a waste of talent, time, and money.
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You may have misunderstood the concept in question. They don't intend to make the original animation 3-D. They intend to scrap it and replace it with new CG. And to that I ask, "What's the point?" It sounds sorta' like porn. Maybe you can get off on it, but you're missing out on the original sex.
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...sounds like a great movie title, though! We could reteam Antonio and Angelina, put them in space, add a pink CG "monkey", and watch the cash roll in!
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So, you're the kind that just likes to lie down and take it? That may be the way you handle things, but that's not my style. Let me ask you this; would you rather see a new, original, fantastic, animated feature? Or would you rather see something you've already seen before in a third dimension? Disney these days isn't about moving forward, it's like they're in some godawful holding pattern. They just keep rehashing and raping the things we've seen and loved before. They just keep milking the tried and true properties rather than taking a chance and moving into new territory. Disney USED to stand for imagination, now all it is is a hollow circle jerk. It simply operates to make money. Am I saying they shouldn't be trying to make money? SHIT NO. I'm saying they should make their money the way they did in the past, by making refreshing wonderful animated features. They've come close, but they never can go the distance to really make the caliber of work we should ALL hold them to. We've seen what they can do, and we don't appreciate this kind of half-assed pathetic attempt to get our money, and neither should you. Don't you think your kids deserve better?
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I have enjoyed, in some cases loved, EVERY movie Pixar has put out so far. In fact I have plans to see "Finding Nemo" tomorrow night. They deserve your money and praise because they are bold and inventive enough to create these wonderfully lush worlds with hearfelt, entertaining stories.
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Lilo & Stitch, Emperor's New Groove, and a few others have been good. People will get sick of 3D movies. GIving up on 2D is dumb.
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But I prefer to fight battles worth winning. Not stuff about movies. The best way to fight movies I don't want to see if by not going.
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most distressing> I cant think of any reason to do such a horrible thing>pinnochio is too classic to be messed with> ::sigh:: oh well> at least I shall always remember a beautiful animation> and for whoever said it< Samuarai Jack is actualy colored with cg to dispense with annoying outlines< which kind of annoys me because i like outlines< but in any case its about eighty percent traditional animation< also< for whover< Roberto Begninis Pinnochio was an adaptation of the original childrens story< it had precisly dick to do with the movie -
read my talkback about down 15 from the top. The best way to hopefully stop crap movies from being inflicted on us is to simply not pay to see them. Unfortunately, there are enough people out there that do pay, so we will get 20 more next year. ... And I think that Samurai Jack is the best 2D animation being produced today (excluding anime). Imagination runs wild on that show.
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I just read though "Disney the frist 100 years" last night. It seems as though Eisner did ok while he had someone else to smack him around....but that guy died (don't remember who...and the book is back at the library).
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A fine, decent person by most accounts. He did, unfortunately, bring two other guys with him, and the rest as they say is misery.
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Glad we see eye to eye. I'm sorry to hear about your bearing witness to the decay of innovation at Disney. I've been in situations where everything good and wonderful collapses around you, it's a terrible thing to watch. It's a sad state of affairs these days, many people are having to jump ship or simply sit around and watch something they've loved and held in such high regard dissapear. The poor bastards at "The Ranch" spring to mind along with the damned at Disney. I am sad to agree with you on something though, that Eisner's reign of terror won't end till he's dead. As long he manages to turn a profit the stock holders will never vote him out. What's worse is that Eisner and the stockholders will never give a damn about creating something magical. They're simply businessman. I came to this realization when "Spirited Away" won best animated feature. For a moment I thought, "Ha, this is the kick in the ass Disney needs. Maybe now they'll try harder.". But then I realized, what do they care about Oscars and critical acclaim? So long as they turn a profit why should they care? Some might wonder why Steve Jobs, a businessman, is able to run a company that makes fantastic movies. I wouldn't really call him an artist, but I can say that he is a man of vision with a great ambition to be on top of the game, and he knows enough to let the artists alone. Maybe someday we'll all be able to look up at the screen and see a great 2-D Disney movie unfold before us, but that day won't come until Eisner is gone.
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May 30, 2003 11:09:30 PM CDT
PIXAR should start making traditional animation features...
by docbosch
In 1978, Don Bluth and a great part of the animation department left Disney to form a new feature animation company, where they could actually excell at their craft, something they couldn't do at Disney. In 1983 they released The Secret of the Nymph, which set a fire underneath Disney's ass. Now that Disney is threatening to cease productiuon on traditional animation features, PIXAR should endever into that feild, giving a home to all of Disney's discarded animators. Imagine new traditinally animated filsm with the same heart and ablities as Toy Story 2. It'll be like classic Disney all over again.
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May 30, 2003 11:30:16 PM CDT
People's responses are inclined to skew to the extreme on this o
by ribbons
But there are other reasons for remaking a movie CG-style besides for its recent wave of success. Still, it seems entirely unnecessary.
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May 30, 2003 11:35:27 PM CDT
Disney (Eisner) threatened to kill the animation department back
by wingnut1a
Luckily for them, Roy Disney was able to convince the suits to give it one more try. The result was The Little Mermaid. So, after that huge success, and with dollar signs dancing in thier heads, corporate Disney OK'd another one. Beauty and the Beast. Huge finantial and critical hit. At this point Disney Animation was saved, but at the same time corporate micro-managers did what they always do and began to focus on profitability and demographic appeal. Profit went up while quality went down. Aladdin, Lion King, Pocahontas, etc. Even though Lion King made more money than any other Disney animated movie, you can tell that quality was taking a nosedive in relation to the Disney Classics. They were resorting to silly, campy formula stories and songs to sell tickets and toys. They obviously no longer cared about telling a good story. ... ... Now, the last few movies have been boxoffice losers, so Eisner is threatening to kill the animation division again. If he would just leave it the hell alone and allow artists to run the show, we would have classic after classic like in the old days when Walt himself was in charge. It makes me so angry! =) Who knows how many more years I'll be around... anything that reduces the number of great movies that I can see before I die must be destroyed!
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It's incredible to look at, the detail and sharpness are all fantastic. It's really a pity that Don and gang sort of lost their touch. The movies that came after "American Tail", "Land Before Time", and "All Dogs Go To Heaven" just didn't really have stories that clicked as well with the audience. I'm suprised people don't mention his name more, he did some fantastic work. He was my great animation experience as a kid, the only Disney movies I had that were good were "Little Mermaid" and "Beauty and the Beast". It kills me to see the horrible straight-to-video "Land Before Time" movies, they're mediocre at every possible level. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that at his best, Bluth was making better movies than Pixar is now. Check out his work again and tell me i'm wrong. Oh and thanks for the info Wingnut, didn't know Eisner was pulling this shit back in the 80's.
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God knows what I was thinking about...
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for the arcade game Dragon's Lair! I spent so much damn money on that game and the other one Space Ace. lol
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Nymph lol """The lee of the stone..."""
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I say, WHU?!? That sounds like the stuff NIGHTMARES are made from! I think I'd rather see a CGI remake of THE RESCUERS DOWN UNDER than THAT!
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Well now that we are discussing this car wreck of a movie, let's figure out a possible cast: How about Chris Rock as JIMINY CRICKET? Jonathan Winters as GEPETTO (yeah I know that nobody uses him anymore so it'd be unlikely, they think that Robin Williams is original in what he's doing) - Drew Carey's already done the role; maybe Martin Landau as GEPETTO instead although it would be cool if they got Angus Scrim ("I've made a little wooden B-OY!"). And in the role of PINNOCHIO probably some gal (after all Bart Simpson, Bobby Hill, and Joseph Gribble are all voiced by women). Studios long ago gave up on casting voice actors in the major roles (just like professional cartoonists no longer work as animators). They'll probably add in some new sad pop songs (like An American Tail's "Somewhere Out There") since all of these things are taken to be musicals. Will one villain now dominate the film or will Pinnochio still go through several unrelated trials on his way to being human? The Disney formula film stinks.
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How about a CGI remake or sequel to Song Of The South?
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This whole idea of "updating the classics", kids can deal with older entertainment. Didn't anyone here watch films and specials from a generation before their own childhood growing up?
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My parents got all these old movies for me as a kid, and they certainly weren't film enthusiasts by any stretch of the imagination. These movies endure because they're good, kids aren't gonna stop watching them because they're not CGI, so this proposition seems like a lot of effort to give the world more WOW! when kids would've watched the old one, anyway. Most likely, it's about saving fiscal face.
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May 31, 2003 2:25:11 PM CDT
Even though I think Lilo & Stitch is kinda overrated on this sit
by ribbons
I think that's the direction that Disney Animation should go, only without their corporate fingerprints all over it. That makes sense, right? The stuff coming out of their department would seem a lot less perfunctory if they found a good idea and, even if they hired the writer instead of the other way around, allowed the creative team to be more innovative. Admittedly, I don't really know enough about the entertainment industry to explain how something like that would work, but I think the general idea of shedding formula would do a lot for the quality of their movies.
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May 31, 2003 3:34:22 PM CDT
Lat night, I saw "The Computer Woe Tennis Shoes" on..... The Hal
by mbaker
Since when? Is this an indication that Di$ney is selling it's older works in favor of new crap? Anyway, back on topic. Don Bluth seemed like he was going to take animation to A new level when he worked on "The Secret Of NIHM", "Drgon's Lair", and "Space Ace", but when he hooked up with Spielberg to do "An American Tail", his work started to follow the Disney mold with musical numbers every 5 minutes, and pop songs. "Titan A.E.", for good, or ill, was his last ambitious work to date. (I've always wanted to see him do A sci-Fi picture, anyway.) I may not be A fan of Pixar, but I respect them for how they get things done. It would be nice if they would take A stab at 2D animation. Just to give the layed off animators mor jobs, and not have to deal with the idiotic suits!
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"Not even warewolves, vampires, chapstick, beanpoles, Hulk Hogan, beer cheatin, ribbcaged bombs, bases, Claire Danes, A gey black robot, A gitant spider, polor bares, or other forms of Superman revisionism could ever save Di$ney!"_____What about Grando with a black lightsaber?
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http://www.PetitionOnline.com/pinochio/petition.html
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Get rid of all those retarded 'tween shows' on The Di$ney channel, and fire those damn kids! They are beyond annoying! Especially Hillary Duff, Shia LaBeouf, and those fuckin' Movie Surfers!. They really belong in dead end jobs at McDonalds, not on TV! In fact they ought to be kiiled by warewolves & vampires!
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Hi all,
I don't want to repeat what everyone's said already, but it does all come back to the same thing: What makes a movie that sells is a good story. That's what the Pixar films have, that's what Beauty and the Beast had, that's what Secret of NIHM had. Honestly, it pains me to see how oblivious Disney is to that fact.
I'm a TV storyboard artist, and right now the industry sucks eggs because no one is ready to invest. Sure, the US economy isn't at its highest point, and I can understand that being one of the reasons animation is suffering; however, the much bigger reason is that recent 2D animated films have bombed, which has been interpreted that people don't want to see 2D animation. Thus, the studios I used to work for are mostly empty spaces with a tumbleweed passing through every now and then. I hope it will pick up soon, but the only way that can happen is if a 2D animated feature attracts people and enchants them. As many have suggested, it would be great if the creative mionds of Pixar produced a 2D feature.
My other beef is this: Disney feels that animation caters only to small children (and their parents who are stuck seeing the films). I wish the North American market would open up to the medium as something that's for all ages, and I'd love to see more 2D movies or TV shows aimed at adults. Titan AE was definitely not for kids. It had its story flaws, but it was a step in that direction. I felt that Atlantis should have been more fleshed out, but they cropped it too short and too simple; however, it was a step away from the Disney Formula. Plus, the marketing for those films was LACKING. Same for Lilo and Stitch, which I really enjoyed. And The Iron Giant, severely underrated movie, is the perfect example of a great story with the melding of 2D and 3D animation.
Seriously, I'm hoping Dreamworks' Sindbad has a kickass story, and that it rakes in the bucks. That's pretty much all that can save 2D animation until people realize that 3D is just another medium, just another thing to make pretty pictures with.
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Jun 01, 2003 6:01:53 PM CDT
Given 101 Dalmations and the Jungle Book this is hardly surprisi
by the g-man
Within the last ten years, Disney has begun remaking its animated films as live action ones. Look at "101 Dalmations" with Glenn Close and "the Jungle Book" with Jason Scott Lee. This is simply the latest example of Disney cannibalizing itself.
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Dinosaur -- on ice!
Raiders -- on ice!
The Original Star Wars Trilogy -- on ice!
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In the near future, "The Simpsons" will become the longest running show in television history. 2D. Humor aimed at adults. It wouldn't have lasted five minutes (Fish Police, anyone?) except that the writing is so sharp and the characters so well-defined. It all begins with words on paper, and they aren't in memo form from some executive in charge. Pixar understands this. If Dreamworks ("Prince of Egypt" "Road to El Dorado") and Disney ("Treasure Planet" "Atlantis") want to make money from their movies they'd better figure this out. "Gnomeo and Juliet" sounds like another by-the-numbers 'project' where they thought up the title first ("Let's do Treasure Island, but we set it in space and we call it 'Treasure Planet.'") I picture a group of executives sitting around a mahogany table and one of them seriously says, "I've got it! We do Doctor Acula. Get it? Dr. Acula!" and they all not politely and mentally work up the budget. Bad news, corporate suits: "re-imagining" Pinnochio by using CG isn't only bad artistically, it's bad business, and it will arrive to a collective yawn.
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Jun 03, 2003 2:58:51 AM CDT
"Lizzie McGuire On Ice" with Hulk Hogan as Lizzie being attacked
by mbaker
Who am I going to believe? A friend who I've known my whole life? Or a cute I've just met, BROTHER?
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Jun 03, 2003 2:11:08 PM CDT
The only way DI$NEY can save it's animation ass is to FOLLOW THE
by bregalad_
A two-step solution that will save the animation dept. at Disney: (1) Get rid of Eisner. (2) Follow Miyazaki's lead..... That's all. How deceptively simple! Now we are all grateful that pansy Thomas Schumacher is gone.... he was sinking the boat faster than you can say "iceberg right ahead." BUT STILL YOU GOTTA GET EISNER OUT OF THE ANIMATION DEPT. so they can do they're real work. The biggest and best talent in Animation today is Miyazaki, hands down. And if Disney would consider the elements of artistry that make Miyazki films such brilliant and effective works of art, they might get somewhere. Is it any surprise that Miyazaki's films, old and new, completely outshine the recent Disney fodder? Remember: the films from Studio Ghibli are NOT micro-managed by witless worms in suits --- Miyazaki knows better! He lets the ARTISTS RUN WITH THEIR BEST IDEAS!
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That's what the "talent" (read: animators, artists, other wage slaves) call the "happiest place on Earth" Gotta love it!
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Jun 03, 2003 6:43:59 PM CDT
My prediction: Disney will remake ALL its classic films for copy
by the g-man
Most of the classic Disney storybook characters are in the public domain. Disney can only copyright the particular visual depiction in their films. Copyrights run out. So perhaps Disney needs to do "new" versons of these films to keep their copyrights and/or trademarks.
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Interesting observation, G-Man. Copyright may have a LOT to do with this, and it wouldn't surprise me if you hit the nail on the head. I was wondering, though, whether producing sequels (like the estate of Margaret Mitchell did with "Scarlett" to protect the "Gone With The Wind" characters) would be enough to protect the Disney visual depictions of its otherwise-public-domain characters. And would a 3-D animation (with its visually different style) be effective to protect the 2-D artwork? Not being in copyright law, I just don't know. I have always heard that the duration of an American copyright gets extended 25 years by Congress every time "Steamboat Willie" nears the public domain. By the way, I mentioned this possibility to my 11-year-old son, who has loved the Pixar films and is certainly in Disney's target demographic. His response: "No thank you."
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Caught you motherfuckers lookin! Alright, fellas, let me just say something here. Who gives a shit about Pinnochio? It's fucking retarded. The one with Pee-Wee Herman is infinitely more heart-wrenching, anyway. Besides, you know you have your DVD of the original movie (though I don't know why you would want it), and Michael Eisner can't take that away from you! Remaking Pinnochio is no more a bastardization of classic artwork than Unkle Kracker covering "Drift Away." Sure, it sucks, but it doesn't mean Dobie Gray ceases to exist. This analogy is meant to be silly, by the way, but it is still true. You fucking losers.
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Alright, buddy. Slow down. I'm right there with you in the "Hilary Duff is annoying" parade, but, when you start sniping Shia LaBeouf, you have gone too far. Now, we all know you have never watched "Even Stevens" and that you are just naming names for the sake of making a point where there isn't one, so I'll cut you some slack. I just want you to give the show a chance, just once, so you can see that Shia is a fucking comic genius. I dare you, you fucking pansy. WHEN'S THE SHOT-FOR-SHOT CG REMAKE OF MY DINNER WITH ANDRE COMING OUT?!?!?
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Jun 04, 2003 9:04:39 PM CDT
Pretty soon Disney will do a CGI shot-for-shot remake of DINOSAU
by red raider
wait a minute....
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