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Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

Michael Moore is fearless. If I was pissing people off with the same power and resources as he is right this moment, then I’d be worried sick about what might happen. Not him, though.

Check this out. Nobody wrote this. Nobody said anything.

Hi Harry,

I loved BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE and couldn't not take up the invitation to attend a closed satellite interview with Michael Moore in Cannes whereupon he would pitch his new documentary Farenheit 911.

Sales agent Wild Bunch - whom I love for their courageous choices (exemplified by a lineup which includes Vincent Gallo's THE BROWN BUNNY alongside Lou Ye's PURPLE BUTTERFLY and TINY TIPTOES) invited a small selection of international buyers to interact with Moore about the project. He couldn't make it to Cannes due to a school function for his daughter, but we were invited and seated in the Majestic Friday at 4pm to hear the scoop.

Prior to the event I was told in confidence that Mel Gibson's Icon Productions had to drop the project due to the White House calling Mel. Icon had announced the project and as it obviously is at odds with Mel's politics, Max got Mad and the rights became available again. Enter Wild Bunch. Miramax are rumoured to have the US but even that seems publicly unconfirmed as of today.

Waiting in the Majestic Hotel with 25 other distributors for Michael Moore's NYC cab to drop him off (at one point a host said off mike that a Miramax rep was waiting for him in the lobby so that seemed to indicate they were somehow involved in the project) a quiet descended across the room. An A4 sheet about the project was passed around which gave the overview and summed up COLUMBINE and STUPID WHITE MEN book sales. Then he arrived on screen and via the Cannes based host started talking about the next doco.

Its about the Bush family, their extensive connection with the Bin Laden family and the environment within the USA post Sept 11. He has footage of the Bush family dining with the Bin Laden family. It elaborates on the business relationship between the families that has existed for many years. It explores how a Saudi charter plane travelled the US immediately after Sept 11 and how the FBI were pissed that they couldn't interrogate its Bin Laden passengers as they were ferried to Paris. It looks at the way in which the government used the events of Sept 11 to push their own agendas.

Moore expalined that since COLUMBINE and its appearance at the Oscars he receives 6,000 pieces of fan mail a day and gets given pieces of footage that he can't talk about now but will make this perhaps the most incendiary documentary of all time. In his words 'If I don't make this, I may as well stick my head in the sand like everybody else."

During question time one audience member questioned his ability to finish the film, to which his answer was "Any attempt to stop it will just create more interest." He also said he would explore the reasons as to why Blair put his arse on the line to support Bush and make a film that is funnier and more shocking than COLUMBINE.

Thus began the distributor buying frenzy. FARENHEIT 9-11: THE TEMPERATURE AT WHICH TRUTH BURNS will be ready for Cannes next year and release Sept in North America (prior to the elections I'm told). Prior to the briefing all were screened and told not to release to media. As I consider you a geek and not media I feel at ease.

Cheers,

Nobody

Wow. Cool report, man. Thanks.

"Moriarty" out.





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  • May 19, 2003, 6:40 a.m. CST

    So Fucking What?

    by OsamaBinPlayaH8a

    There's nothing new in this. No new details. Just MM being forced to hustle because he was rightly dumped on his ass and has suddenly lost much of his Oscar heat.

  • May 19, 2003, 6:43 a.m. CST

    First?

    by dunedude1

    I just happen to be up late drunk and read about moore's new movie, sounds pretty crazy, I don't know if he really wants to live in the US anymore though cause if he shows something like this I don't know if he could get away with something so simple as walking down the street. I guess people just need to see how far they can push until people start to push back, it's just too bad for moore that he's on his own and it's gonna be a majority of the american public pushing back. good luck to him I guess.

  • May 19, 2003, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Powder keg

    by Silvio Dante

    This talkback enviroment is about to get vicious...

  • can it be?

  • May 19, 2003, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Moore

    by genro

  • May 19, 2003, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Guess I wasn't, oh well, ha

    by dunedude1

  • May 19, 2003, 6:46 a.m. CST

    TELL MOORE TO PAY HIS WRITERS

    by OsamaBinPlayaH8a

    You can't just talk about giving employees benefits and fair pay. You have to do it yourself in your own business dealings.

  • May 19, 2003, 6:54 a.m. CST

    you can speak out negative about the government...

    by Matt

    ...and love your country. One got nothing to do with the other. You americans are just way to patriotic, and you believe everything you read (if you read at all) or see in the news. There are still people out there who believe that it was right to get after the ghost of Bin Laden and the multiple clones of Saddam Hussein. And I'm asking: Which person is more dangerous, George W. Bush Jr. or Saddam Hussein. And also I'm still wondering where those cemical weapons and facility's were located?

  • May 19, 2003, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Let the Liberal-Conservative flameware begin

    by Kramer318

    Time to throw up.....

  • May 19, 2003, 6:55 a.m. CST

    If Columbine was Street fighter, F911 will be street fighter 2.

    by Jon E Cin

  • May 19, 2003, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Moore's Hypocriscy

    by genro

    He claims he's making this because "the people" need to know, yet it's being released exactly during election time, so I guess information is only important when it has an ulterior motive....This guy is so full of shit it's amazing....Anyone who can navigate a fucking search engine can find the info he's going to present, except its now getting the Michael Moore treatment, which means inaccuracies and manipulations abound...my sympathies to those who think this guy actually gives a damn about middle Amercia....I wonder if he'll ever do a docu on Hollywood producers who work for Israeli Intelligence, or studio heads that are apart of the Rand Corproation on other "public-policy" groups...it will be funny when a docu on him is released alongside Farenheit 9/11...

  • May 19, 2003, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Weapons of Mass Non-Existence.....

    by Splinter

    Knuckle your way out, boys. Drag those slack-lips onto the talkback and defend the fucking fiasco your country and the Brits are responsible for. Iraq, devastated. Lawless. A UN resolution being drawn up which essentially hands control of Iraqs oil to the US. The reconstruction of Iraq handed to American companies all connected with the Bush cartel, to be funded by Iraq's oil. (Nice way to inject $600 Billion into the US economy, no?) Saddam still alive. Osama still alive. NO WMD'S FOUND. THE WHOLE FUCKING REASON YOU WARMONGERING MONKEYS WENT TO WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE. What? That's not the reason? Oh. Ohy eah. Sorry. I forgot. Its because Al Qaeda are connected with Saddam, right? EE-AWWWW!! WRONG ANSWER! Oh. Well, then it must be because they are in breach of UN Resolutions? EE-AWWW!! Israel and Saudi Arabia - 'allies' of the US - are in breach of a combined 5 times the amount of resolutions Iraq was. Oh. It must be because they have all these horrible weapons of mass destruction then, right? Yup. ALLL those weapons. Ooooh yeah. The ones he used on the coalition forces when they pre-emptively and illegally carpet bombed the fuck out of Iraq. What? He didn't use any? NONE? Not a single one? AND NONE HAVE BEEN FOUND SINCE??? Nah. You're kidding. I mean, that would make the States the laughing stock of the civilised world, wouldn't it?

  • May 19, 2003, 7:18 a.m. CST

    No, you weren't, dunedude

    by Dog Of Mystery

    You first posters never learn, do you? There's nothing special about posting first. People hate you. No one respects your comments. And, most importantly, you've convinced the world that you're a fucking idiot. Fuck first posters. Fuck them up their stupid asses.

  • May 19, 2003, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Maybe some of you Americans won't care but.... Us Canadians and

    by Corporateplant

    Cuz God knows your regular media aint cutting it. Christ did a US news source air 1 hurt Iraqui? They made it seem like a freakin tea party but the REAL WORLD showed how awful your country's foreign policies really are. YOU NEED HIM AMERICA HE IS YOUR ONLY SALVATION AT THIS POINT.

  • May 19, 2003, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Hell Yea!

    by KLean

    We are living in a counrty were u cant say shit!! or youll loose ur job and manny other things..Keep it up Mr. Moore, one more side of the story. We cant keep letting our selfs be manipulated like robots. We are the ones paying for that guy sitting in that chair and he is making us look bad. I still havent seeing anything good come out of that administration.

  • May 19, 2003, 7:31 a.m. CST

    getting nasty...

    by Brundlefly

    I have a feeling that this will get a little heated....

  • May 19, 2003, 7:31 a.m. CST

    I hate war

    by CuervoJones

    war is good in the movies, nobody really dies. Our president, Aznar, supported this war, but spanish people not. Now spanish people are target for integrist terrorism. Reality sucks.

  • May 19, 2003, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Pandering to the left-wing sheep again, I see.

    by exit272

    Here's an example of how much of a "true voice" Michael Moore is. http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110003233 And anyway, he's a fucking hypocrite with his "I'm a man of the people" shtick, when he lives in a $1.5 million Manhattan apartment and sends his kids to a ritzy private school. Let's face it, he's no different than the people he attacks in his bullshit movies: just a guy out to make a buck. And Mike's figured out how to make his: by pandering to histrionic, reactionary ultraliberals. Line up, sheep.

  • May 19, 2003, 7:36 a.m. CST

    The problem with Americans is

    by Cyberfury

    They're fucking scared of everyone and everything. And the media plays (most of) them like the TV minded fools that they are.

  • May 19, 2003, 7:47 a.m. CST

    oh what the hell....

    by Brundlefly

    I think that Michael Moore - for all his flaws - is fucking fantastic - he is doing a good thing. The US public have absolutely no fucking comprehension of the way they are viewed by the rest of the world. The US is a nation that has been raised on, and believes completely in - their own myth - totally and unquestioningly. 'The US was founded by freedom fighters' - 'a country that lost it's innocence in the 60's' etc... In the words of James Ellroy "How can the US lose something that it lacked at inception". So what essentially amounts to a group of slave owners who didn't want to pay their taxes - gaves birth to a nation of 'freedom & democracy' obsessed, ignorant idiots. GW2 was an immoral act. The US flouted international law in such an immoral & arrogant way - it has set a precedent that now means that every fucking tin pot dictatorship around the world can invade another country without any solid justification and claim that 'this country supports terrorism and has weapons of mass destruction'. The US public - shocked at 9-11 (and we ALL were)and desperate for revenge, jumps up and down in support and those who aren't for it are too afraid to speak for fear of being labelled a fucking commie or something -or-other. What about Bush?!! He's in charge of an arsenal of nuclear fucking weapons and i'm personally terrified that he'll use them. Hey, we here in Europe should invade the US!!! Let's fuck up their infrastructure, kill a few thousand civilians and enforce our own brand of democracy - regardless of whether or not the public wants it. AND FUCK WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS!!! .....isn't this the example we've been set?

  • May 19, 2003, 7:47 a.m. CST

    The main question...

    by Oberon

    ...is whether Moore will manipulate and alter footage and get his facts wrong as often as he did in "Bowling for Columbine" - especially (to cite just the most blatant item) given that we now know that Harris and Klebold didn't bowl at all. It's too bad, really, since that lack of credibility undermines his films as vehicles for examining topics worth examining.

  • May 19, 2003, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Yo, Harry

    by kerouacky

    Long time reader, only started posting today. RE:Michael Moore and the Bush Administration--A couple of points I'd like to make here. While I appreciated some of Moore's earlier work, (Roger and Me;TV Nation) other writers have shown that a lot of his epic confrontations and scenarios were staged. That doesn't make him a documentarian, that makes him a pissed off white guy with an agenda and a camera. Not that I haven't enjoyed some of what he does, but to call his films documentaries is pretty much by the boards at this point. And while I'm not a Republican, I have a question. If Dubya is as stupid as everyone claims, how can he possibly engineer all of these labyrinthine and Machiavellian schemes? And as far as the Bushes having dinner with Bin Laden, you have to remember that during the Russian/Afghanistan conflict in the 80's, Bin Laden was an ALLY of the US. So, unless there's footage of Dubya breaking bread with Sammy RECENTLY, I don't see what the hoorah is about. As to whether the Iraq action was justified to begin with, I was against it, but mainly because I didn't think Iraq posed that big a threat. But I choose to believe that there was a worthwhile reason for us to be there. Whether it was known or suspected WMD's, terrorist connections or liberation. It's okay to question, but if you never believe anything that anyone in the government does or says, we might as well not have a government at all. When does healthy skepticism become conspiracy paranoia? You know, there were literally thousands of people using the same arguments against military action before and during World War II as well. Madmen have a tendency if unchecked to make much more trouble than you'd think they're capable of. Remember Hitler? Hussein does (or did) fall into that category.

  • May 19, 2003, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Is Moore a bad guy?

    by ImaTarget

    I must say since i dont live in america my knowledge of what really happens there is limited. At the moment it seems that Mr. Moore is the only one speaking out loud what alot of people think and the only voice that is really concerned with his country and just doesn

  • May 19, 2003, 8 a.m. CST

    Hanoi Michael!

    by Jon Lee Ander

    Just kidding. Maybe Moore is too much the firebrand but its always a good thing to have someone questioning authority, especially the authority of George W. Bush.

  • May 19, 2003, 8:05 a.m. CST

    ...

    by ImaTarget

    Someone said: Madmen have a tendency if unchecked to make much more trouble than you'd think they're capable of. Remember Hitler? Hussein does (or did) fall into that category. well.. and many people start to think the bush admninistration does too!

  • May 19, 2003, 8:07 a.m. CST

    on the issue of the war in Iraq, we were right to do it, because

    by Jon Lee Ander

    if we'd lost, the inverse would apply. Maybe some good will come of it and Iraq will be rebuilt, maybe it won't and the place will end up like Afghanistan, but morality and ethics and principle played no part in it in th minds of those who made the descions. It wasn't oil or money, it was politics, which by definition is about compromise.

  • May 19, 2003, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Just for the record

    by fontinau

    exit 272, being "ultraliberal" is by definition the opposite of being "reactionary." Make sure you know what you're talking about before you star shooting off your mouth. Also, my own political beliefs aside, keep in mind that there is almost no such thing as an American "liberal." What passes for "liberal" politics in the good old USA would at best be considered centrist anywhere else in the western world. *** As for Michael Moore, yes, he has a hypocritical streak, and yes, he has a tendancy to twist around the facts so that they support his arguments. However, consider these two points. (1) The complaints about Moore are the same ones that were being made about the muckrakers in the 1890s. (2) All of the criticism aimed at Moore (hypocrite, publicity whore, not completely honest) could just as easily be applied to the current president of the United States. Don't believe me? Then go check out the latest developements in the Jessica Lynch story.

  • May 19, 2003, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Larry Wachowski is transexual, according to the UK's Mail on Sun

    by Marty McSuperfly

    Yeah I know the UK papers are normally full of it, but this story had it all. Apparently he's left his wife of 15 years to shack up with a dominatrix (who he went to the Reloaded LA premiere). Her ex husband told the paper it was "an open secret" in Hollywood that Larry liked to go to S&M dungeons and be tied up wearing only women's panties and high heels. I'm not lying about this shit!! It was in the paper yesterday! He and the dominatrix recently went to Chicago to "come out" to his parents about his transexual urgings and also to tell them he's taking hormones to make him more feminine. The article carried a picture of him at the premiere with the S&M woman and I'm telling you, those hormones are working! He was wearing a furry berry, earring in both ears (of the dangly diamond variety) and (what appeared to be)lipstick. I'm not judging him. Fair play to the guy, each to their own, and I hope he's happy. But it just came as such a shock since he's the only director I know apart from Ed Wood who has come out as being transexual! Ain't Hollywood great!

  • May 19, 2003, 8:11 a.m. CST

    What about Tarantnio's KILL BILL?

    by Avon

    Wasn't this screening at Cannes? I'd like to read something on this.

  • May 19, 2003, 8:16 a.m. CST

    with you on the whole Jessica Lynch thing

    by Jon Lee Ander

    I deplore the infantile way in which the story is presented to the world by the pentagon. They present it as some sort of action movie which trivialises war and the reality of it. Propaganda usually does leave a bad taste in the mouth but for it to treat us like children in this way is something new to me, i admit.

  • May 19, 2003, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Har-Har! Eat it Bush bootlick Neo-cons!!

    by TallScott

    Dispite how much Fox and Rush will tell you otherwise most american people and the world just does not like Bush..And no matter how much Rove and his Freedom hateing Republican freinds will try to squelch anything resembling unflattering the the herr-dictator in chief the truth shall come out about the conneticut born frux texas good ol boy...Ya know i often wonder how so many people could be so gung ho about hitler in germany during the 30's..I look at you Right wingers with Big mouths, closed ears and brown noses and i see how it happend..Just beacuse you wrap yourslef in the flag and accuse others of not being patiotic does not mean you are too! I say Go Moore! Questions need to be asked! And if your leader does everything in is power to stop those questions from having answers..Then the heat needs to be turned up..Its the american way!

  • May 19, 2003, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Michael Moore is the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet

    by Stormin

    Someone had to say it.

  • May 19, 2003, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Call me Sam

    by Mahasamatman

    You know, _The New Yorker_ ran a terrific article about the relationship this adminstration--and previous administrations--maintained with the Bin Laden family. This article was published--oh, about a month after Spetember 11th. Basically, the Bin Ladens are a HUGE family, and a hugely extended one, and very powerful in Saudi Arabia, and Osama was (one of) the blacksheeps, and they disowned and disavowed him for his politics long ago. As I recall, one of Osama's nieces is a student at NYU or maybe Columbia, and many members of the family have been educated in the US. From what we've got here from Moore, I don't see him offering much of anything new on the subject--the bit about members of the Bin Laden extended family flying out to Paris after September 11th is true, and was also covered in the article, and while on the surface it seems terribly upsetting, if you stop and think about how the world works, and realize that this is actually the case of an administration doing a political favor for a powerful Saudi family (and the Saudis are allies, and we did/do need their help), and you realize too, that not all Saudis are terrorists or connected with Osama Bin Laden (many members of the family go by "Laden," now, if I recall it right, to rid themselves of the association), and you realize, finally, that the world is a helluva lot more complicated than Bush = Pure Evil (or Bush = Pure Good), then maybe you'd realize that Michael Moore is more concerned with money than truth, like 99 percent of the people in this world. Finally--and I KNOW this sounds prissy--I think a lot of the opinions expresssed on this board would be helped if ya'll would cut using the word "fucking" so much. "You fucking Americans"; "the fucking French"; "fucking Moore"; "as anybody fucking knows..." and so on. Now, go ahead and say "Fuck you, Sam..."

  • May 19, 2003, 8:56 a.m. CST

    "Dining with the Bin Laden family"--What, all twelve-hundred of

    by Andy Travis

    I'm sorry, I'm a socialist who strongly dislikes the dangerous choices the current U.S. administration has taken, but Michael Moore sounds like he's reaching an awful fucking lot here. I'm afraid he's ruining it for the rest of us pinko liberal treehuggers...

  • May 19, 2003, 8:58 a.m. CST

    A limey perspective

    by XGeek_UK

    If a country is founded on inequality and criminality it's a bit of a moot point to complain about how entrenched it has become two centuries later. Here, Tony Blair's gung-ho flouting of his responsibilities as a spokesperson for 60 million people, and his deeply unapologetic despot attitude make me ashamed to be British. Bush , meanwhile, make me feel ashamed to be human. But personal perspectives of this 'war' - and the reasons for it - are mostly attributable to media coverage of it . Which means we can't blame you Americans for not being able to see certain 'truths' regarding your current administration; people believe whatever is force-fed down their throat, and everything else is just a conspiracy theory. In relation to Moore - I enjoyed Colombine simply because it opened up a debate - it didn't strive to answer the questions it asked. To do this, every American (Con or Lib, even Moore) would have to take a long, sober look at themselves - and their attitude to humanity - and report back humbled. Moore is much like Bill Hicks in this sense (who, God rest his soul, wasn't always right in his opinions and speculations either)... just remember that he isn't trying to think/speak for you, but rather to encourage you to do it for yourself. Anyone who watches Colombine and comes away apoplectic at Moore for manipulating the viewer - and dismisses everything within it because of this - is incredibly naive, missing the point completely, and should probably never watch a TV newscast or read a newspaper again.

  • May 19, 2003, 9:12 a.m. CST

    I'd respect Michael Moore a lot more...

    by godric

    if he wasn't as guilty of manipulating certain facts and interviews as the people he tries to expose. I've watched Roger and Me a thousand times, and loved Columbine, but when I read the NY Times article on all the fudged facts and half-truths in that film it made me mad. Moore has some valid points, and the liberals will always love him for saying what they want to hear, but for those of us who want the real truth, presented with integrity, we'll have to wait for another crusader. And let me say this once and for all: the argument that anyone, America included, should or shouldn't do this or that because that's what most of the rest of the world approves of is a ridiculous one. Right and wrong are not popularity contests, and I don't care if every nation but ours hates what we chose to do--seeing the release of small children who had been imprisoned for refusing to follow Saddam's Baath party should have silenced every morally relative anti-war crusader out there.

  • May 19, 2003, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Make sure you all picket the movie theaters!

    by wyldwolf

    We can't have this guy bringing up all these facts about our president! What's done is done! Its not like Bush did anything bad like get a blowjob! He only fiddled while New York burned. And look what that got us! All that Iraqi oil! Honestly - what would get these neocons to aknowledge the administration's 9/11 complicity? A. The Drudge Report would have to report it. B. A fair and balanced news source like FOX News would have to report it! C. Bush himself would have to tell me over a few beers - then I still might not believe it! D. Jesus would have to come to me in a vision and tell me about the Bushies - then I still might not believe it 'cause I heard Jesus was French!

  • May 19, 2003, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Is it just possible...

    by vergence

    ...that Iraq WMD were destroyed on the eve of the war (as several top Iraqi scientists testified to) or that they were dumped into the Tigris River (as serveral tests have shown exceeding high levels of Chlorine)? Does anyone think that Iraq could have smuggled WMD into Syria? Jordon? Iran? Was anyone really expecting the most illegal substances on the plant to be gift-wrapped with a bow by Saddam so his mortal enemies could more easily justify their position? Did ANY intelligence agency in the world doubt that their were WMB programs active in Iraq right up to the invasion? Are you people so obsessed with conspiracy theories that NO WEAPONS FOUND YET = NO WEAPONS? That's a formula that doesn't add up, folks. So let's hold off about being "misled" for a few months until order has been restored in Iraq and the natives slowly begin to understand that the Saddamites aren't coming back. We all understand that you hate Bush because he's against a leftist social and economic agenda that would destroy America's standing in the world. Which incidently, is not how many people in the world like us, you clowns, but how many people will do business with us on our terms. And we all know that America can't hold a candle to the social utopias of german and france (with 11% unemployment and 35 hour work weeks). But did you ever stop to think for a second that if the American media is all-propoganda, all-the-time, then maybe YOUR OWN MEDIA (hello BBC) is all propoganda as well. Do you mean to say that the BBC is fair but NBC is not? Ha! They are both run by out-of-touch social-crats with their own agendas. Time to wake up. It's a will to power and nothing more. So any time europe wants to boot up and return to it's pagan anti-semitic roots then by all means, bring the heat. But don't forget how it ALWAYS turns out for you europeans --- with the US rebuilding your sorry asses after we demolished them.

  • May 19, 2003, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Marty McSuperFly, get your facts straight

    by PacinoHatersGoHo

    Ed Wood was not a transexual, merely a transvestite. His friend Bunny was a transexual. In the words of Johnny Depp as Ed Wood and Patricia Arquette as his love interest: Ed: I like to wear woman's clothing. <Uncomfortable pause> L.I.: Does that mean you don't like girls? Ed: No, I love girls. Wearing their clothing makes me feel closer to them. L.I.: Ok. If he was a transexual he wouldn't have had any problems making Glen Or Glenda, as the distributor wanted a sex-change flick but ol' Eddy gave 'em a guy-likes-to-dress-up-like-women flick. Ed Wood is one of the best films of all time. Ed Wood Haters Go Home!

  • May 19, 2003, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Moore Vs The Republicans?!

    by XGeek_UK

    Anyone who ever saw Moore's TV show over here in the UK a few years back (which I think I remember Harry saying he enjoyed a while ago, so maybe you got it in the States) would know that he has greater concerns than merely badmouthing your precious Republican party... he'll gladly highlight any abuses of power, or situations where misreporting has led to a general acceptance of a fiction. Like I said before - people believe whatever they are told in the absence of an alternative opinion. All Moore does is offer a fresh set of eyes and you guys want to blind him for it. If you are in that much denial then I suggest you just avoid his output in future... yeah, there's stuff in Colombine which could be questioned or may be improperly researched. But the man has still done more for the cause of truth than either you or I, and who are we to condemn that?

  • May 19, 2003, 9:48 a.m. CST

    OrionsAngel, you silly!

    by wyldwolf

    Why didn't he make a documentary on Clinton's affair? The Hillary scandal? Because the Republican smear machine wrote loads of books and paid a lot of pundits to promote the Clinton unscandals. And equating the fact their was no documentary on Clinton's blowjob with the Bush administration's coverup of 9/11 is typical of a republican.

  • May 19, 2003, 9:53 a.m. CST

    About Dining With The Bin Laden's

    by PacinoHatersGoHo

    Sounds like the setup of a new sitcom... members of the current Republican government HAVE dined with the Bin Laden family. Osama was trained by CIA during the Afghan-Russian war. Rumsfeld has met with Saddam in the 80's, when said dictator was at his most lethal massacaring over one million Iranians with chemical weapons and consequently turning said weapons against Kurds and other Iraqi civilians. Rumsfeld had dinner with Uncle Saddam, and publicly called him a good friend of the United States. In fact, the people most responsible for Saddam cock-sucking are back in power with Bush Jr's Republican government (Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc)... funny how only very recent history repeats itself, as "terrorism" in the 80's came mostly from South America and look how nicely things have been sorted out there since the American Interventions: dictators galore! Bush Jr. is a retard, he doesn't make any decisions, he's just a spokesperson, representing the ideals of the real decision makers in the Republican Government. Logically speaking the most powerful country in history would never allow one man to pull all the strings. In the words of Martin Landau as Bela Lugosi: Bela: Pull the strings! Pull the strings! Ed Wood Haters Get The Fuck Outta Here!

  • May 19, 2003, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Republicans are shaking in their boots!

    by wyldwolf

    The information Senator Bob Graham will probably "leak" combined with this Michael Moore documentary has the republicans scared. Like a sports team that only wins by committing fouls and penalties, republicans are more concerned with an "X" in the win column than doing the right thing. Eventually, the officials catch on, though.

  • How about because it was the RIGHT THING TO DO.___You America haters really piss me off. You leftists didn't seem to have any problems when Slick Willy was in charge did you? And that's the point isn't it. You peabrains are simply PARTISIAN. Now it's fine to be partisian as long as you admit it up front. You pinheads wouldn't be saying a word if Gore were president and were doing the exact same thing. So either admit that all your bitching is centered around the fact that our president isn't a pinko-liberal, or shut the hell up.__And to all of you that TRULY hate America because we're the biggest kid on the block, we have saved the world TWICE already, once from the Nazis and then we kept Europe from becoming a part of the Soviet Union. Now we're on the road to doing it again, leading the world against the evil of terrorism. America also leads the world in cutting edge medical procedures, technology and, (for those who frequent this site,) entertainment. We give untold billions of dollars in aid to countries all over the globe. Now I'm not saying you have to love us, or even like us, but you had better at least show us some GOD-DAMNED RESPECT._______And to whoever said Europe should invade the U.S. ...bring it on, bitch.

  • May 19, 2003, 10:03 a.m. CST

    This might be the only thing to get Bush out of office

    by 007-11

    Seriously, look at the situation. This race is even worse than last time, there isn't even a real Democratic candidate. No one is going to want to rally behind these guys. The only thing that could save their chances of winning may be this film. Here's hoping. Oh, and it's damn sad when not only can Danny Glover not get a cab, he can't even speak his mind.

  • May 19, 2003, 10:15 a.m. CST

    to all the doubters and haters...

    by vergence

    http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/06/wpois06.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/04/06/ixnewstop.html hmmm...is this a postive mustard gas test i see before me? I guess this kind of evidence should be ignored if it doesn't support your position that Bush is Hitler. Do you people understand history? Do you know who Hitler even was? If you did then you know that Saddam was much closer to Hilter than any current world leader. And anyone who thinks that Israel violating Assembly Resolutions is the same thing as Iraq violating Security Council Resolutions that were part of a CEASE FIRE AGREEMENT, learn some more and then get back to us. This world can no be run by a bunch of uneducated ninnies, it cannot be run by a bunch of muslim fanatics, it can not be run by a crowd of cowards and it cannot be run by a bunch of losers. America was founded by winners, not losers, and that is why we will run the world until they rest of the world catches up. Get off your ass Europe, get off you knees Asia, and get off your back Arabia.

  • May 19, 2003, 10:15 a.m. CST

    My bad PacinoHatersGoHo

    by Marty McSuperfly

    I meant to say cross-dressing. I didn't mean to describe Ed Wood as transexual. Believe it or not, Burton's masterpiece is also one of my favourite films.

  • say it with me now, AWOL!!!!! For over a year no less. Closest he ever got to being in the military was flying his ass in on that F-15 to tell us that the war was kind of over. I'm suprised the democrats didn't scream for equal time like the republicans did after the Wellstone memorial. Oh, and "Operation Enduring Freedom" was NOT a clean win.

  • May 19, 2003, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Marty

    by PacinoHatersGoHo

    No probs man, all's good. I hope I didn't give the impression that I was hatin' on you, 'cause I wasn't. I just get so excited when someone brings up Ed Wood. Peace out, and join me in telling all Ed Wood Haters To Go Home!

  • May 19, 2003, 10:24 a.m. CST

    No, Orion'sAngel

    by XGeek_UK

    The worst way to betray the memory of the victims of 9/11 would be to systematically use it as a hollow excuse to furnish the desires of specific political ideologies, as a result of which far more innocents have died than ever did in New York. Sadly, to disagree with the war does not mean that we all hate America. I'm actually quite fond of it, and I'm sure a lot of the other posters are. We just disagree with slaughter and subterfuge.

  • May 19, 2003, 10:26 a.m. CST

    about that "America Haters" term

    by wyldwolf

    Why do conservanazis see things only in black and white? I think the "America haters" should have left the country after their $100 million 8 year investigation of Clinton's cock turned up... a lie about a blow job!

  • May 19, 2003, 10:28 a.m. CST

    oh 0101010101010101, you where doing so well then you started ta

    by larssonirnbru

    im too tired to go into all now but how exactly do 'americans seek to understand us all'? this just 1 posting after you invited canadains to 'suck your d*ck'. your reasearch and reading into bush sr links to the JFK assasination was impressive, then you claim the war was justified but then admit everything the american people are told is a lie (but you're in with the government or something and you have the inside scoop). i have a reasearch topic for you, a few actually. find out how many of pol pot's killing squads where trained in the US and where they now live (clue: florida). read up on indonesia, and the killing of 1/3 of the population of east timor and the CIA's involvement in that. and as usual the remainder of the anti-micheal moore feeling in micheal moore talkbacks is nonesenical ranting. the usual 'truth about bowling' website appears (i was unimpressed, apart from getting the origin date of the NRA wrong, the rest oif the so-called eveidence of inaccuacy is weak, or if another interpretation of facts, the very thing moore himself is accused of!). and the right-wing crack-pots (someone said ' i dont think moore gives a damm abut middle america'. middle america has enough freinds, why dont you try to help ALL of america jackass). and to finsh off, COME ON THE CELTIC, YOU'LL BE WATCHING THE BILL WHILE WE'RE IN SEVILLE

  • May 19, 2003, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Not just the WMDs went *poof*

    by Subversive01057

    I'm surprised this forum has not yet been invaded by the Neo-McCarthyites screaming about how everyone who doesn't want to lick Dubya's anus along with them is a "Socialist." Anyhow, cynicism in regards to the motives of Dubya's second war against a Middle East country has not been fueled merely by the fact that no WMDs whatsoever have been found. Apparently, in addition to finding no WMDs, none of that "proof" that Dubya said he had has been found either. You remember, all the reams of classified documents and testimony from agents that were inserted in Iraq. The stuff that he couldn't release before the war because it might compromise those agents still in Iraq. The "proof" Dubya said we would just have to take his word about about existing. So in addition to all those WMDs in Iraq suddely going poof and leaving no trace whatsoever, the same has happened to all of Dubya's alleged "proof" of their existence, and for that matter, any weak inkling of his Presidential integrity.

  • May 19, 2003, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Let's consider the most frightening points here...

    by sunken

    ...the US, with a bit of help from Britain and a couple of countries in the Med, launched a major offensive on a country which the rest of the world was opposed to. AND THE REST OF THE WORLD COULD DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. That, is very frightening. The US could have gone it totally alone aswell. If Britain had disagreed, the only difference would be that we'd be enjoying trade embargoes right now. The scary thing is, once your government decides it wants to do something, no one and nothing can stop it. And that is frightening. If the cause is baeting the Nazis or sticking a man on the moon, then more power to you. But guys, your government is choosing to fight some very dubious battles. Right now, Bahgdad is knee deep in raw sewage, people are dying left, right and centre ,and you've got some very bitter Iraqis plotting to avenge their families' deaths at the hands of the "occupying forces". Meanwhile, over in "USA RUUULZZZZ!" land, a bunch of the Bush faithful are rubbing their hands in glee, waiting for all that money to roll in from the Iraq contracts they've just been bestowed. It stinks. And before you start typing all those "USA RULZZZ, you'd all be speaking German if it weren't for us" retorts, please remember the majority of negative sentiment is aimed at the Bush administration, NOT YOU THE PEOPLE. Apart from inflicting Sunny Delight on us, most of us actually quite like you. But your government and its foreign policy suck. Oscar Wilde was right, patriotism IS a virtue of the vicious. It's also the single biggest excuse for not questioning authority and not forming your own opinion. It turns a bunch of free-thinking individuals into an unquestioning state of "hey, as long as gas is still cheap, I don't wanna know" zombies. Moore's not trying to brainwash you the way your media usually does. He's trying to wake you up and make you think. And to the guy who said the BBC was just as bised as NBC, well you're half right. The BBC's programming during the conflict actually made me change my stance from fence sitter to anti-war.

  • May 19, 2003, 10:56 a.m. CST

    WHO GIVES A SHIT

    by EHARTSOE

    MICHEAL FAT ASS MOORE IS A DUMB FUCK..

  • May 19, 2003, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Go ahead and stick your head in the sand Mr. Moore.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Beats having it up your ass any day. sk

  • May 19, 2003, 11:04 a.m. CST

    God Bless Michael Moore

    by Tsunami3G

    You go with your bad self. Time to wake up the masses.

  • May 19, 2003, 11:07 a.m. CST

    sunken, the reason parts of Iraq are hip deep in sewage...

    by banshee

    is because some IRAQIS stole the water treatment pumps. The one mistake the U.S. made was not realising just how primitive the Iraqis are. They are looting thier own country dry. But order will be restored, it's just going to take some time. At least they're not be being tortured and killed by Saddam's thugs. And stop worrying about the U.S. "taking over the world," we're not interested. Will we invade some more Middle East countries that support terrorism? Hopefully. Will we bomb North Korea? Possibly. Will we invade Britian or Germany or Spain? Nope. We might be drawing up a plan for France though...

  • May 19, 2003, 11:15 a.m. CST

    The BBC

    by XGeek_UK

    SUNKEN is right on the money - the BBC did themselves proud, with some of the most overt slanted propaganda I could imagine, thus pushing me toward an anti-war stance. *****************Side note: Why do the majority of posters here think that to dislike A means that you MUST like B; to not support X means you MUST be a Y-phile? It's ignorant, unneccessary, and says far more about you than it does the person you aim your venom towards.

  • Don't get me wrong I like America and I realise that they could if they wish abuse their position of power far worse than what they have been doing. I think America has been a great democracy and testament to other countries around the world who's freedom has been restricted by corrupt goverments or unelected rulers. Although I feel in the past few years America has begun to loose it's grasp and is begining to implode on itself. I mean i'm shocked at the vociferous opposition to people like Michael Moore who should be held high as an example to the world rather than abused and attacked in the way he is. I know that AICN Talkback is probably the worst place to voice my political opinion as probably 80% of the talkbackers are kids still under the influence from their fathers and their fathers fathers but since Harry opened up the floor I would like to put my opinion out there for the thinking 20% who are putting serious thought everyday into the chaos that surrounds us. I am happy Saddam was removed from power and I am sure that the majority of Iraqs population is too but it was in the way it was done that dissapointed me. Where was the civilized west when the first bombs fell on Bagdad? It shouldn't matter how long it takes a political solution should have been found through dialogue and the UN was progressing as well as could be expected by any normal realistic person who understands that such small movements do not come quickly like in films and tv they have to be earned through trust and small steps. I had 3 questions when the war started: 1. Where is the proof of WMD (obviously) 2. Why accuse Saddam of ignoring the UN when by going to war the coalition did exactly that? 3.Where are the connections between Saddam and Al Queda?? Answer: there is none. Now the war is over, we have the small comfort that Saddam is ousted but at what a cost!?! The UN has been reduced in power due to Bush's lack of patience thus halting it as an international force before it could begin. The loss of innocent civilian life, which every news channel except for the American owned ones, showed. No WMD which as a neutral is a relief but still that was the basis for invasion. Most importantly a huge increase in the already established anti-american feeling around the world. I mean christ, after 911 america had the support of the entire world, even Russia and China made steps towards strengthening their ties with the US which was unprecedented but since then Bush and his administration have managed to scare away Russia and China, turned most of Europe against them (Germany and France) and caused huge resentment in the middle east which will surely manifest itself in further attacks on their soil. The only fool who stayed by his side was Tony Blair, I say that singular because he was the only person in Britain who couldn't see the madness. (goes to show even over a million demonstrating doesn't get heard, so much for democracy.) and back to the thread I would be very interested in Moore's investigation into the true reasons for sticking so closely to Bush. I would guess it was that Blair fears an attack on London and realizes that he needs the military support of America behind him no matter what. Anyway, it's been 3 or 4 years since I last talked back and I guess after posting this I'll realize why I quit but I just want to say thanks Harry for a great site which I like very much and even though you don't like Reloaded, I'll get over it.

  • May 19, 2003, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Right vs. Wrong

    by RandRT

    First, if I hear one more person lump every American into one big category, especially you idiots who spout all high and mighty moralistic who do not even live here, I'm going to scream. Michael Moore is a hypocrite, plain and simple. He has a political agenda just like everyone else. The day he goes after a liberal or a democrat, maybe I'll give him some more respect, but that's not going to happen. Moore is a politician with a movie camera. His documentaries are closer to the fictions he complained about at the Oscars. Moore is the only documentarian I know that refuses to be as objective as possible. It is impossible to create a truly objective documentary, but you should at least try. Moore turns real people into caricatures with the skill of a fiction director. And you people who love him and fancy yourselves true defenders of freedom, remember this: You are buying into the words of a fanatic and a fake just like you accuse people who choose to believe Bush of doing. There is no difference between us except in our philosophies and spokesmen. I choose to believe that Saddam was a threat. If we found chemical weapons or not is irrelevant at this point because the man hates us and would love to come after us if he had the chance. I'd rather act now than wait and see if he really does have the weapons because the only proof of that will come from another terror attack. Thousands of civilian lives are not worth the few who died in the war. It sounds callous, but it is true. There are those of you out there who have the gaul to compare my country to Nazi Germany or some kind of dictatorship. Bullshit. We all have the freedom to say whatever we want. Disagreement is not censorship. Nobody is censoring you from saying what you want as is evidenced by the fact that you can post your antiamerican rhetoric and still walk around free. I read someone say that we Americans are too patriotic. Actually there are too few patriots anymore. Too many people would rather use the war as an excuse to bitch about the lousey lot they have in life than to actually bash the war on any truly idealistic basis. There is no such thing as being too patriotic; if you believe that then you do not belong in whatever country you are in. We have rules and laws here in America, rules and laws that we are free to challenge if we wish. However, not every law or rule is going to suit every person. True Liberals would have you believe that we are all entitled to total freedom. That's not possible. No matter how much I want to, I cannot go into the middle of town and shoot people at will. I just have to accept that because that is the will of the majority of the people. You accept it or go somewhere else like Iraq where I could probably get away with it. I have just one more thing to say and then I'll step off my soapbox. I've read a lot of prejudicial and bigoted comments about Americans on this board. To those of you who are European - do not ever come here. If you hate us that bad, do us all a favor and stay home or go somewhere else. Leave us be since it is non of your business how we conduct ourselves anyway. To those of you American haters who live here in the U.S. Get out. I've said it before: If you cannot get thinking changed to your point of view then you are in the minority. No matter what Michael Moore or any other paranoid, conspiracy theorist, propagandist tells you, you are in the minority. It might be best for you if you moved to some other country with ideals that match yours instead of trying to convice the majority that you are right. How many times in the U.S.'s history have we come to the aid of European and other countries around the world? To see you all stab us in the back now when we look out for our own interests for once...it makes me sick and I have no desire to know any of you.

  • May 19, 2003, 11:22 a.m. CST

    R. Lee Ermey hates you Harry...and Michael Moore

    by skycrapper

    He said in a radio interview that if he ever sees him on the street he will punch him so hard his family will feel it. I'm not kidding.

  • May 19, 2003, 11:29 a.m. CST

    The Truth about Michael Moore

    by orlandocfa

    I sent this email to Harry. He never commented on these articles. He just ignored them waiting for another opportunity to praise the idiot that is Michael Moore. If Harry has an ounce of reason in his body he will post these and let his readers decide if Michael Moore is worth listening to, instead of only showing one side to the story Harry, I am a fan of your site I read it daily and it is usually the first site I check every morning. I unfortunately am not a fan of Michael Moore's, despite your gleaming review of Bowling for Columbine. I am going to paste a couple of links below. I think you should read them and I think you should post them on the website. After praising this documentary, it turns out that it was filled with falsehoods, deceptions, and half truths. I don't mind film makers making changes to manipulate the mood of the audience, that's what movies are all about. But in this case the film was being presented as truth and fact. It sucked you and thousands of others into its deception. I think you have a responsibility to your loyal readers to present these facts to a "documentary" you heralded. http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel040403.asp

  • May 19, 2003, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Leftist girley-men

    by Mr Z

    "Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack." -Gen. George S. Patton Jr.

  • May 19, 2003, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Go get 'em, Moore!

    by Poetamelie

    Given that the major media outlets are either willfully ignoring the shadiness of the Bush family or are deliberately squelching meaningful investigations, it may be that all we have left are the firebrands and muckrakers. Journalists aren't doing their jobs anymore. You think it will get better AFTER the media companies get their way with the new FCC rules and swallow up the rest of the broadcast outlets they don't yet own? Thank God for Michael Moore. At least someone still gives a damn.

  • May 19, 2003, 11:54 a.m. CST

    BUSH DRINKS EJACULATE

    by BUSHSUCKSDICKS

    George W. Bush is is a filthy cocksucker and so are you if you like him. Fuck Bush and his God. He's a tyrannical war criminal who deserves to burn in firey Hell. FUCK the GOP, FUCK Dick Cheney, FUCK trent lott, FUCK the supreme court, FUCK dick cheney's mother, and lastly, FUCK anyone who has a problem with what I'm saying...

  • May 19, 2003, 12:05 p.m. CST

    I guarantee that Michael Moore gets "whacked".

    by IncredibleYoda

    If he goes along with this, which he absolutely should, don't be surprised if Michael Moore meets a suspicious and untimely demise. Car crash, 'heart attack', tragic fire, etc. I really think that this could fuck up Bush's re-election big time, and don't think for a minute that he and his political cronies will stand for it and just let it happen.

  • May 19, 2003, 12:15 p.m. CST

    by blue7

    Enough with the references to the "Truth about Bowling" site and that stupid NY Times article written by the token yenta NeoCon lapdog Debbie Schlussel. Jesus, she's so fucking annoying with her rabid party-line yapping even Howard Stern can't stand her bullshit for more than a minute at a time. Calling that shill for the Republican Party (Debbie, not Howard) anything close to an objective source for your information is akin to calling Michael Moore a great documentarian. I've found it disappointing that Moore hasn't felt the facts themselves to be exciting enough to stand on their own at times, too. Even Roger & Me suffers from the same forced ironies and rearranged footage/continuity issues. As long as you read/watch his stuff with your thinking cap on, you'll be OK. After all, it's not like the government or mass media doesn't play fast and loose with the facts themselves. That sad fact may make Moore not a hero, but I don't think the thought of someone doing a documentary on him particularly scares him. He also was no fan of Clinton, at least according to his book. In it, he calls WJC the "best Republican president we've had". While I myself hate GWB with an intensity matched only by the uncut cocaine snorted by him until at least his mid-thirties (you know, youthful indiscretion-type stuff), that doesn't mean I loved Clinton. He was a real piece of shit, too.

  • May 19, 2003, 12:18 p.m. CST

    re: orlandocfa ,banshee

    by sunken

    Orlandocfa, thanks for the counterpoint material. Gotta say though... looked at that guy Koepel's past articles, and I find it hard to trust the opinions of a man who thinks Britain would be better off with no gun-control laws. Banshee, I take your point about the sewage, but would counter that overthrowing one miserable way of life for the Iraqis won't remain a valid excuse for the hardships they're going through now for long. By going in our governments took responsibility for those people and we've got to get THEM back on their feet before Bush even starts to think about the finincial benefits. And looting after what they've suffered does not make them primitives. I seem to remember a fair bit of looting during some riots in LA some time ago (and after a few footie matches over here in Blighty). It's mob-mentality, and it happens everywhere. Maybe thinking of Middle Eastern people as "savages" makes it easier to bomb them?

  • May 19, 2003, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Better start offering up some respect Meric1

    by 007-11

    If you did any kind of research you'd know that one of the groups Moore rides hardest on is the DEMOCRATS! My favorite line "Democrats today are just Republicans in bad suits". Damned if ain't the truth. Oh and, we're not nearly as free as you like to believe. People are being cersored left and right in this country. Did you even read the article? The White House called Mel, probably not just for some idle chit-chat.

  • May 19, 2003, 12:19 p.m. CST

    re: orlandocfa ,banshee

    by sunken

    Orlandocfa, thanks for the counterpoint material. Gotta say though... looked at that guy Koepel's past articles, and I find it hard to trust the opinions of a man who thinks Britain would be better off with no gun-control laws. Banshee, I take your point about the sewage, but would counter that overthrowing one miserable way of life for the Iraqis won't remain a valid excuse for the hardships they're going through now for long. By going in our governments took responsibility for those people and we've got to get THEM back on their feet before Bush even starts to think about the finincial benefits. And looting after what they've suffered does not make them primitives. I seem to remember a fair bit of looting during some riots in LA some time ago (and after a few footie matches over here in Blighty). It's mob-mentality, and it happens everywhere. Maybe thinking of Middle Eastern people as "savages" makes it easier to bomb them?

  • May 19, 2003, 12:27 p.m. CST

    LANPB01STFU

    by blue7

    How involved of you to post eighteen times in a row with nothing to say for yourself except to provide links to what appear to be opinion pieces, NRA articles, and even an online petition! Hey, genius, did you know that online petitions are worthless? I suppose you also think that forwarding emails "from Bill Gates" will get you money from Microsoft, too. As far as Moore having shame cast upon him from the likes of you, I'm sure he's crying into his Whataburger as we speak. George W. "AWOL" Bush is the one who has shamed himself and his family. All the bible-hugging in the world won't change that.

  • May 19, 2003, 12:35 p.m. CST

    if Fox News and GOP ignore "truth" then..

    by phaethon

    I could really care less about all the ridiculous things that Michael Moore makes up.. He's a "big fat liar" who isn't a Republican. So, while Bill O'reilly and whoever else at the "Fair and Balanced Network" yell and scream like imbeciles.. I can entertain myself with Mr. Moore's tripe. He understands that truth and clarity mean very little.. so.. once you find your enemy.. you lie until they are defeated. It may pain some more intelligent Democrats, Liberals, non-Republicans to accept this reality.. but they'd better accept it before people like Bush Jr. and Ronald Reagan run this place for the entire 21st century.

  • May 19, 2003, 12:58 p.m. CST

    sunken, what I meant by "primitive"...

    by banshee

    Is that they're not smart or sophisticated enough to realise their action of looting is hurting THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES. I was with them when they were tearing apart Saddam's palaces. But they've taken it too far. I put the morons who looted during the Los Angeles riot about 4 rungs LOWER than the Iraqis, because the people in LA knew exactly what they were doing and just didn't care.__As for getting Irag back on their feet, man, it's going to take some TIME. We're talking about re-building an entire country. How can we expect that to be done in 5 weeks when it takes 9 months to make a MOVIE?__And a shout out to Lan for the links.

  • May 19, 2003, 1:11 p.m. CST

    What?!

    by Glass

    "Matt Becker", what are you talking about? Only Americans believe everything they read? Give me a break, that's a human error, not an American one. You people claim that Americans are responsible for all the ignorance and stupidity in the world, and then fall prey to the same mistakes by believing everything YOU hear and read about Americans. Stop worrying about America and worry about the human race, which is in and is creating much more danger and harm than one country could ever do.

  • May 19, 2003, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Why do liberal or moderate companies back conservative projects

    by Kauzi Sezso

    As long as the dogmatic flame war is in full swing, the question must be asked....

  • May 19, 2003, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Michael Moore is the Messiah!!!!

    by Mister Pink

    Thank whatever gods that be that we have at least one courageous film maker who is willing to rub Americans' noses in the shit that they have created. All you fucking dittohead morons with your gay-ass fucking flags on your cars should be forced to watch F911 CLOCKWORK ORANGE style with your fucking eyelids propped open. You need to see the truth about your feebele-minded, dry-drunk, unelected president. You need to see the truth about his thuggish gang of profiteering warpigs, his own personal cowardice when it was his turn to serve and his family's long standing support of bin Laden, the Taliban AND Saddam Hussein. Did you know that Donald Rumsfeld facilitated the sale of biological weapons to Hussein during the Iran/Iraq war? No, you probably didn't because all you do is watch the Faux News Channel and beat off to heavily scripted GWB publicity stunts.Do you think that leg-humping poodle that is Tony Blair in any way represents the feelings of the UK on your slimy little invasion? Guess again. 9/11 is the greatest think that ever happened GWB. He and his thugs must have been jumping for joy that day (after he got done cowering in that bunker like a little bitch). His "presidency" had been an utter failure up to that point. He had already personally destroyed Clinton's unprecedented economic success, he had no vision, no direction, no charisma, no respect and no integrity. He was (and is) nothing but a fuck boy for his daddy's corporate oil cronies. After 9/11 they had a tragedy they could exploit for all kinds of political advantage. Remember when he was harrassing those rescue workers at ground zero, yammering at them through a megaphone? What a joke. 9/11 gave him an excuse to suspend the bill of rights, to demonize any political opposition as "anti-American" or "pro-terrorist" and to boost his moribund approval ratings by incinerating babies in other countries. Moore said on Bob costas' HBO show that bin-Laden is in Saudi and that the Bushistas know it but they won't do anything because they can't afford to alienate the Saudis. I believe Moore, and I expect to see the proof in F911. Everything the Bushistas have done since 9/11 has but one purpose behind it; to get the Smirk re-elected. Fuck, I'd love to replace Shrub's O'Doul's with some REAL beer.All of his self-righteous, religious fanatacism is a direct result of his sobriety. Those things are classic characteristics of dry-drunkeness. He need sto go back to being the drunken, whoring, coked-up frat boy that we all know he still is deep inside. Go Michael Moore!! Destroy the fatuous little richboy prick that is squatting unlawfully in thr White House. Expose him for what he is. You are doing God's work.

  • May 19, 2003, 2:11 p.m. CST

    super-liberals...

    by BURDIZZO

    You never hear anyone of these individuals commenting on their thoughts concerning the multiple numbers of mass graves they have found in Iraq...Oh, yeah, I guess Bush had the U.S. Marines plant them there...If inspections had lasted longer Saddam's peolple would have destoyed those along with WMDs, I suppose.

  • May 19, 2003, 2:21 p.m. CST

    released 2 months before the election.....can we say propaganda

    by MovieStud

    I have a hard time believing in conspiracies aganist individuals but judging by the topic and the relase date, its fair to say that there might be a left wing conspiracy out to get Bush. Everything is ok with him accept the economy which can never be blamed on one single man alone. Don't be stupid people. I'm soooooooooo mad that this film is getting released then. Is the Democrat party producing the film??? When will everyone learn that Michael Moore is a skillful liar. Bowling for Columbine had to have been the biggest fabrication ever shown in a movie theater!!! I cant believe that so many poeple fell for the "facts" in that movie that were proven untrue and manipulated. Don't get me wrong he is an entertaining and talented man with funny insight but dont accept what he puts on screen as the truth. The thing that gets me revved up about him is his hypocricy of crying at the oscars how he is all about presenting non-fiction when he cant even accept the truth of a little more then half booing him off stage at the press conference! WOW!!! The sad thing people are going to accept what he presents as the truth. I'm still going to see this film ASAP! And probably laugh my ass off while liberals sit their crying to tears about the W/bin laden connection....wow typing that is sick...how sick of Moore to come up with that lie.

  • So what if the movie is propaganda? Are you trying to say that W never used propaganda? The only reason for going to Iraq that was true was that they had chemical weapons. Why was it true? Because we already knew he had them seeing as how we gave them to him. "Ol'Rummy" knows that better than anyone. Saddam either sold them off or had them destroyed because that would be the only way he could win. Either way the Iraq war was built on bullshit, and is bullshit. The only thing we accomplished was helping in the theft of priceless artifacts and bringing anarchy to the Iraqi people.

  • May 19, 2003, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Bush and Bin Laden and Saddam...

    by Mechboy

    This always come up that Bin Laden was/is an US ally. This is crap, Bin Laden has hated Americans/Westeners for a long time even before Afghanistan. He views himself the next Islamic saviour who will drive out all who he deems unfit. Why do you think he had his daughter marry the leader of the Taliban? He wants power, nothing more or less. Same with Saddam Hussein, he has no love for Europe or USA. The US had sided with Saddam during the Iraq/Iran war because he was the lesser evil. But we weren't the only guilty party in Saddam's reign. Why do you think France was so willing to be complacant with Saddam? Was it for the billions in Iraq debts for purchased military hardware or the fact it helped Iraq with nuclear technology back 1976 by providing them with nuclear reactors that were capable of producing weapon grade plutonium. If wasn't for the Isrealis, Iraq could have become a nuclear power by the end of the 1980's. After the first Gulf War, the IAEA and UN weapons inspectors were stunned by what they found because Iraq had managed to hide a lot of the technology from the pre-war IAEA inspections since the 1970's. Hell, there wouldn't have needed to fight the second Gulf War if Clinton gave permission to CIA agents that were approached by Iraqi opposition members who had the best opportunity to kill Saddam and his son Qusey back in 1996. But instead, the agents were ordered back to the US where they arrested by FBI agents for conspiracy against the US while the Iraqi oppostion members were either caught and killed by Saddam or they fled from Iraq. Also Clinton balked at least three times to get Osama Bin Laden, dropping cruise missile instead of sending in covert units. 9-11 was going to happen, the plan was based on the knowledge gained from the Algerian members of AL-Quada about the failed suidice attack on the Effiel Tower back in 1996 when four Algerians tried to take an Air France flight to crash it. But they failed, because they left the flight crew in charge to fly and the flight crew were able to trick the terrorists to land in France before making the attack. Osama was an architect himself, he got the blueprints from Yousef who mastermined the 1993 attack against the WTC which he studied. If Gore had been in office, it would still gone off as planned but the fallout would have worked out better since Al Gore was far more supportive of Isreal than Clinton or Bush. Arafat made clear on several occasions that he didn't care for Gore. That's why you never see Gore with Arafat alone, Clinton was always around. Plus you take in Joseph Lieberman, the Arab world would have claimed that Isreal had put on of their agents in to the White House to guide the US against Muslim. The US would still have the negative opinion and still have been a target.

  • May 19, 2003, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Oh, if only that were all there was to it

    by fontinau

    The Republicans aren't pussies, they're a bunch of money-grubbing oil barons and religious fanatics trying to feather their own nests under the pretext of "being against big government." And the democrats are made up partly of well-meaning but ineffectual centrist altruists, and sleezes who are just as corrupt as their counterparts. I long for some truly virulent left wingers (preferably with more intergrity that Moore). I mean, the Republicans managed to make a federal case about a blow-job. Can you imagine what as equally ruthless leftist would be able to do with Bush's ties to Enron? Or Halliburton being handed the contract for Iraq's oil rigs (second time, now)? Or the fact that Dubya's brother locked scores of black voters out of the polls in Florida? (Yes, I know that last one was yesterday's news, but it's still the worst case of election fraud since Kennedy bought the White House.) *** I agree with you about the so-called "wars" against Afghanistan and Iraq, though. They were glorified PR stunts, nothing more. North Korea has nothing to worry about. America no longer invades countries that are actually able to fight back.

  • May 19, 2003, 4:05 p.m. CST

    A rat done bit my sister Nell, And Whiteys on the Moon

    by labowski

    What is it with these hate america people? I liked Michael Moore too, when I was sixteen and didn't know anything. He got picked on too much in high school, his mother didn't love him, his father was gay? Who knows, at least he knows what the libs want to hear. A bunch of limp wristed guilt ridden socialists. Anyway, I'm sure it'll be big in France, if Michael Moore says it, it must be true. Anyway, all you tossers who think America is arrogant can go screw yourself with your third world dildo. What has any other country ever done for America? Not a damn thing. Who feeds the world? America. Who loans the world money? America, and then rights off the debt. What country does everyone dream of coming too? America. How many American colonies are there in the world? Hmmmm, only England and France come to mind as having established colonies around the globe, I know there are more, but for this discussion it should suffice. I'm not even including Rome. Who was responsible for WW II? Hmmm, Germany. O.k. that's most of "enlightened" Europe. Who is responsible for terrorism as we know it today, Islamofacists.Religion of Peace ya know. You're right, I feel so ashamed to be an American, I'd probably be a lot better off in some shanty town in Soweto, or living in communist N. Korea, lots to eat there. Or in Fidels Cuba, the weather is nice, but you may never leave. Or, hell, pick any "country" in Africa, yeah, Zimbabwe sounds nice, oh, sorry Mugabe seized all the white folks farms and now he can't feed his own country. Anyway, I know I'm not going to change anyones mind, but get some help if you think Michael Moore is going to uncover anything except for what's under the bottom of his big fat pale non showering ass. Flame on brothers.

  • May 19, 2003, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Do something

    by Tinlantern

    I love movies. However, I look into these posts daily for the real grit of our culture. And grit is not a bad thing. Its how "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" looks better than "Tombstone" on film. Odd to find grit in a Movie Hosted BBS? I don't think so, because we Americans are moviegoers. We want this anger and frustration with government. We want to be able to post everything we love and hate about life on the internet and have it seen. Behind safe screens and hidden names. So here is what this is about. It is exactly as stated in Michael Moore's Film and exactly as stated in President Bush's war on Iraq. And God help me this sounds like a murmer from the ever widening middle. This is all about mutual fear. Americans have so much, we are scared that it might be taken away. Bowling For Columbine is not about guns, or WMD in America. It is about how scared we as Americans are of an unknown someone taking from our plate, and how our media feeds that. Of course it does, we watch TV right? We watch car wrecks right? We watch Jackass and COPS right? Sadly the paralell is that our administration is also scared. This war is about the possibility of any country who could rise up with weapons as large as ours, and take it all away. You bet thats scary. Taking freedom, oil, guns, children, life, streets, and homes?! Everything gone. And we are they are both right, it is fucking scary. How do we deal with fear? Buying more, the economy, money, spend it. We have been spending for so long, it has never helped replace fear. Does the whole picture include the fact that NOBODY is doing the right thing? Anyone here living the right way, not for yourself but for everyone? I'm not. So we sit at our darkly lit desk and we flame each other for our opposing views, we avert our eyes, or don't speak up just reading. Thats what is great about America. We have the right to freedom of speach, and not be held accountable for what we say or believe. Here we have two American men. President Bush, and Michael Moore. Are either one of them who they claim to be? Probably not. But neither are we. Look at our opinions posted here. Michael Moore is never going to "start his own fucking country" and President Bush is not going to "god damn leave office". None of us are going to stand up and do anything about either one, except post it all over Aint It Cool News. So where does tht leave us? Here we are....with our viewpoints and our keyboards. Be happy for what you do have, and not angry for what you could have. If there is an aching in your heart to change the world, then get up and do it. Start something. The revolution will televised, you bet your ass.

  • May 19, 2003, 4:23 p.m. CST

    >mechboy

    by fontinau

    You are correct when you say that Bin Laden and Sadaam never had any love for the US (neither did the Taliban, also a US ally in the past). However, without US help they never would have risen to positions of power from which they could hurt American civilians. America's habit of putting dictators and madmen into power is not limited to the middle east (Pinochet, anyone?). Nor is it a thing of the past (Sharon is just as guilty of crimes against humanity as al-Qaeda, and the Sauds are no fonder of us than Hussein was.) Oh, and while its true that Clinton balked at pursuing Osama bin Laden (preferring to bomb a medicine factory instead), but the recent al-Qaeda-linked bombings in Riyadh and Casablance suggest that Bush hasn't exactly done a bang-up job of getting rid of him either. IMO, this is indicative of a larger problem that both Clinton and Bush seem to have ignored: you can't defeat terrorists with an army. It's like trying to swat a mosquito with a sledge hammer. The only real way to get rid of al-Qaeda is to isolate them by improving our relations with the Arab world, and then pursue them with an internationally sanctioned police force.

  • May 19, 2003, 4:45 p.m. CST

    >labowski

    by fontinau

    "What has any other country ever done for America?" Oh, come on. Without French and Dutch financial support, and later French and Spanish military support, America never would never have even made it through the Revolution. *** "Who feeds the world?" America does indeed send considerable food support to various third world countries. Not so impressive, though, when you consider that, per capita, Denmark sends more than we do. *** "Who loans the world money?" Not America, that's for sure. Merely three years after eliminating our debt, we're back into a multi-trillion dollar deficit (i.e. people are loaning US money). *** "What country does everyone dream of coming too?" America of course, where they can experience the joy and pride of working at Popeye's for ten hours before plodding home to their undersized apartments in the L.A. ghetto. "How many American colonies are there in the world?" Oh, this one's my favorite. Did it occur to you that all of America is ONE BIG F*CKING COLONY!? The only difference between the European and American colonies is that while the Europeans eventually lost their power and were driven off by the natives, the Americans dealt with the problem preemptively by killing all of the natives off! Granted, the British are responsible for driving the Indians out of the thirteen colonies. (Incidentally, one of the causes of the American Revolution was Britain's refusal to allow the colonists to expand any further westward.) However, everything west of the Appalachians is colonial land seized by the United States from the Indians, whom they proceeded to kill off in a casual genocide.

  • May 19, 2003, 4:49 p.m. CST

    >Tinlantern

    by fontinau

    Thank you for showing more sense than anyone else, including me, on this talk back.

  • Moore is a courageous man, and I wish him luck with his project.

  • May 19, 2003, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Moore is not really courageous, just honest

    by silent_light

    ...but that honesty got Jesus nailed up by Jews too. If the USA was not giving Israel so much cash and there would be no 9-11. The people who did 9-11 were SAUDI (not Iraqis or Afghans) but also educated, not "mad extremists", in their minds they were fighting the opressor of their people. Let's not forget who trained the mujahideen; it was the CIA to fight Russia in Afghanistan). Understanding these situations and dealing with causes prevents war not absurd propaganda and violent jingoism.

  • May 19, 2003, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Damn, fontainou is one level headed well informed guy

    by 007-11

    That's some nice work, oh and shiny blue orb, the jews didn't kill Christ. That would be the Romans. Why do people always get that wrong?

  • May 19, 2003, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Bush Haters You're Screwed, By The DNC !

    by Roboteer

    First of all, it'd be nice if Moore brought something new to this "documentary", namely honesty. He played fast and loose with it in COLUMBINE. He has nothing on Bush in any case. Historically, foreign policy has always had to make decisions on supporting the lesser of two evils. At the time Iran wanted to make us an enemy, they got it, in spades. If there was a mistake with Saddam, it has now been corrected. Bush hasn't strayed all that far from Clinton's foreign policy, he's just a lot better at it. But from the hypocritical left, Clinton's bombs, troop deployments, and secret deals were just fine, dontcha know? Comments here like South America being full of dictatorships shows that getting facts wrong is not just Moore's purview. But I digress.... Moore likes nutcase conspiracies now? Let him go ahead and look even wackier. If you want a conspiracy with some merit though.... The Clintons have firm control over the Party's funds through their man heading the DNC, McCauliff. Unless The President's popularity tumbles before the big primaries, Hillary's just about committed to sitting this one out. She knows history is probably against her for 2004. 2008 however looks simply mahvelous, dahling. The very last thing Hil&Bil want is for a Dem to win this coming election. She'd have very little chance then of capturing the nomination in '08 and would have to wait until 2012. Nah baby nah. The DNC will fund close Senate & House races, but they'll positively strangle their own Presidential nominee. Wait and see. A Dem cableTV pol has already urged B&H to shut up and quit hogging the limelight. Ain't gonna happen. So... get used to your buddy Georgie for the next 5 years and thank the power obsessed Clintons. And BTW thanks to MMoore, SSarandon, and TRobbins for supporting Ralph Nader. It likely made all the difference ................. Be proud of your country. Compared to the rest of the world its a shining beacon of hope and prosperity. (And the only thing standing in the way of world Socialism, a system we already know doesn't work.) The USofA ain't .01% as bad as lefty propagandists like Moore and his Eurotrash sycophants want you to think. But if they all hate us anyhow, let's drop the big one now. As world conquerors go, we're historically just a bunch of pussies. Unless you get us angry, you wouldn't like us angry.

  • May 19, 2003, 6:17 p.m. CST

    "because it was the right thing to do"

    by Vern

    I don't know how you guys even do it. "Yeah, it is clear now that they lied about the reasons for going to war, and showed forged documents to the UN, and overruled the public opinion of the entire world thus causing us to lose the support of nearly all of our allies (even some that are personal friends of Bush), and bribed countries to claim support against overwhelming opinion among their citizens, and didn't catch Saddam Hussein, and didn't find any weapons, and didn't find terrorists, and didn't slow down terrorism at all, and left much of Iraq with 1000 times the normal radiation level, and killed more civilians than were killed here on September 11th, and commited war crimes like assasinating independent journalists, and allowed 6,000 year old treasures of humanity to be stolen and destroyed, and spray painted "patriotic" grafitti on ancient Sumeria, and allowed nuclear waste to be looted thus creating an actual terrorist threat that didn't exist there before, and had no plan to set up a government thus creating anarchy and inflaming tensions to the point of near civil war, and are already changing our minds about a democratic Iraq, and made it clear to North Korea that they better get nuclear weapons before we do this to them, etc..... BUT, despite that all being true, STILL, remember when we knocked down that one statue outside of the hotel where the foreign press were staying? THAT WAS AWESOME. That PROVES that it was justified." * * * It really is a herculean task - an epic mental journey - to get yourself to believe all the crap the government and tv news spoon feeds to us. I mean think about how incredible it is that you can get past all that just because of one day of statue footage! It seems impossible, but this is America. We make the impossible possible. Americans never were afraid of a little elbow grease. That's why we're the greatest country on earth. (?)

  • May 19, 2003, 6:25 p.m. CST

    the Pharisees ordered it...

    by silent_light

    ...Pilate reluctantly followed their advise, "washing his hands", remember ? why ? because the Romans didn't want to displease them... who gave Judas the money ?

  • May 19, 2003, 6:51 p.m. CST

    I can't wait to see it!!

    by TedSallis

    Keep on keepin on MM!!!!

  • May 19, 2003, 7:48 p.m. CST

    by SimpsonsQuoteMan

    Figlio di puttana, sai che tu sei un pezzo di merda? Hm? You think you're cool, right? Hm? Hm? When you kicked out people [out of] your house I tell you this, one of three Americans die of cancer, you know? Asshole. You're gonna be one of those. I [don't have the] courage to kick your ass directly. Don't have enough courage for that, I could, you know. You know you're gonna have another accident? You know I'm involved with black magic? Fuck you. Die. Bastard. You think you're so cool, hm? Asshole. And if I ever see your fucking face around, In Europe or Italy, Well I'll -- That time I'm gonna kick your ass. Fuck you. Fucking Americans, Yankee. You're gonna die outta cancer, I promise. [Bang bang / Deep pain] No one does what you did to me. You wanna know something? Fuck you. I want your balls smashed, eat shit. Bastard. Pezzo di merda, figlio di puttana. I hope somebody in your family dies soon. Crepa, pezzo di merda, e vai a sucare cazzi su un aereo!

  • May 19, 2003, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Something to think about...

    by SithScorp

    First off, let me put on my asbestos underwear because I know flames will be coming my way... Moore is like Clinton because he goes where the publicity is. recognizing the angst of the masses he has chosen yet another subject to tilt, color, and season in order to create a frenzy. As a result he will make money off of the video sales... Anyone that wants to say GW is turning America into a fascist state should be thankful that gore is not president. While I do not believe someone should own a personal arsenal, I do believe people have a right to legally own firearms. Gore wanted all personal firearms out of civilian hands. That sounds like a government that wants total control. (Nazi Germany) WMDs or not, Hussein needed to go. The mass graves should be enough to show that. Where is the outrage of the world at that? Unless someone will soon post articles showing that Bush was responsible for those as well...

  • May 19, 2003, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Sounds interesting... but I will take it with a grain of salt.

    by PurityOfEssence

    Like everything else Mr. Moore says. I don't think he is fearless either. At best his works are interesting, entertaining, sometimes thought provoking (no not in the : My god he is brilliant sort of way. More like: Hey that's interesting I'll have to read up on that) - albeit somewhat manipulative. It doesn't matter, really. You people sit at a computer flinging crap at each other (Liberal this/ Conservative that). I assume (or at very least hope) that people know that voicing their opinion on this board serves no true purpose. It's just a bunch of crap. (Most of the Politics on this sight make you sound like zealots).

  • May 19, 2003, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Nothing like a good ol' fashioned Mike Moore TB

    by Delete Me

    Let's get a couple straight things outta the way. (1) Bush sold the Iraq War as a war of necessity, to defend the US against WMD-fueled terrorism coming out of Iraq. He said that we couldn't wait for hard evidence that Saddam had tons of bio/chem/nuke weapons and Al Qaeda connections, because, in his words, "By the time we find the smoking gun, it could be a mushroom cloud." Well, surprise, surprise, the military has found no WMDs in Iraq, no Al Qaeda connections... and while the world is getting pissed at America for failing to find justification for its relaunching of an empire, Americans have essentially changed the channel. ---------------- (2) The rest of the world saw hundreds of pictures of dead and maimed Iraqi civilians. The US media didn't let any of those pictures get through. They showed us a sterile war, a goddamn video game where clean explosions left no body parts behind. You think Moore is biased? He's coming to you openly with an agenda. What's CNN's excuse? ----------------- (3) The events of the last week have shown that two years of the "war on terror" have been a pathetic joke. Riyadh and Casablanca are testimonies to the fact that blowing the shit out of Arab countries has - what a shock! - encouraged terrorism, not stopped it. Combine that with Bush's halfassed Israel policy. At what point will Americans realize Bush's national security policy is suicidally myopic? ------------ (4) For less than the cost of the entire Iraq War, we could have bought up all of Russia's plutonium stockpile, which is a much larger security threat than Saddam ever was. We have still not done this, nor does Bush have plans to do this - because he is an imbecile. -------------- (5) Anyone who attempts to divorce oil from the Bush team's motives in the middle east should explain to all of us why Cheney's old company - which still has him on its payroll - was awarded a contract to repair and operate Iraq's oil wells without having to bid on it. --------- (6) The notion of "standing by the President in wartime" is not only inane, it is destructive to the most important values and liberties this country was founded on. If you don't like Michael Moore, fine, you don't have to go to his movies or agree with his politics. But don't get up and whine that he has no right to disagree with King George. That's it, I'm done.

  • May 19, 2003, 8:32 p.m. CST

    that's right... Gore would have created a fascist state by banni

    by Delete Me

    As we all know, owning guns is the key to keeping tyrants at bay. Look at Iraq. There was a gun in every home, and they had a free, liberal democracy for thirty years. Wait, that came out wrong.

  • May 19, 2003, 8:42 p.m. CST

    and to round out my threesome...

    by Delete Me

    If the Jews had really ordered the death of Jesus, as the Bible says, he would have been stoned to death (the proper punishment for blasphemy and the execution method of choice in ancient Judaism). Jesus, however, was crucified, a Roman punishment. The Romans never would have killed him for "blasphemy" - a crime which didn't exist in Roman law - which has lead many historians who poke at the life of Jesus to believe that he, like many charismatic Jewish leaders of the time, was executed for fear that his followers would develop into an uprising (it was only forty or so years after his execution that Jerusalem was destroyed, and a few years before or after his birth that the first of the major attempts at anti-Roman uprisings began). The Jewish religious caste did not have that much influence on either the Roman governor or the Herods. No one seriously believes that the Jews killed Jesus anymore.

  • I thought this website centered around films for generation geek. Now a film by some liberal loud mouth with a propensity for half truths who has a hard on for our president is more news worthy than a picture of the freaking hulk. Why is this in the left hand column!!! Fuck you all in the liberal goat ass.

  • May 19, 2003, 9:01 p.m. CST

    response to Brundlefly

    by MerleHaggard

    Europe couldn't attack the US unless we Americans gave you a map and the balls to act. Michael Moore is a hypocrite blowhard who should lose his Oscar, since he blatantly distorted and misrepresented the facts. Everybody hates the cops untill something bad happens then you too will come crying to the strongest nation on Earth. Peace out.

  • May 19, 2003, 9:26 p.m. CST

    The man has no fear I tell you...

    by jak flash 2000

    He was always the best, Bowling for Columbine siomply concreted that, and it was one of the best films of the year. The fact that he's going all the way is cool. Just hope that no attempts are made on his life. You mess with presidents and prime ministers and shady stuff starts to happen. akj2@aber.ac.uk

  • May 19, 2003, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Micheal Moore is God, and we're all his lap dog bitches...

    by Beatrice_Kidd

    Fuck the haters. Fuck all of you sheep. He's the only one actually working to make America a better place.

  • May 19, 2003, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Funniest line in the "news article"

    by Darth Brooks

    "Mel Gibson's Icon Productions had to drop the project due to the White House calling Mel." Uh yeah, right. The scene: The White House Situation Room. Hundreds of monitors, barcharts and map projections. Someone stabs a button on a Meridian Ultra Tempest-class deskphone. "Get me Mel Gibson - - that vocal star of 1999's 'Chicken Run' must be STOPPED - - Now!" Cut to a Belair hilltop glass ranch house. A butler walks to a poolside Mel Gibson, and produces a 5.8ghz wireless phone. "Call for you sir. She says it's on behalf of the President. A Ms. Rice." Gibson raises one eyebrow behind his Ray-Bans, and pulls the phone to his ear. "Gibson here." "Ah, Mr. Gibson," says the voice, "we understand you've aligned yourself with the treacherous Michael Moore, a man who wields unimaginable power throughout the art-house movie and upper-band cable television industry." "Well, I wouldn't refer to it as 'aligned,'" replies Mel. "He was just talking about getting me to talk to Silver Screen Partners Three about floating some film stock loans so that he can package a part of-" "Don't toy with me, Mr. Gibson," replies the enigmatic Ms. Rice. "Mr. Moore has already thwarted our plans to make Puerto Rico the 51st state, and we are still fuming over the pasting he gave us on the Carter Substitution." "I'm sorry," says Gibson, "the Carter Substitution?" "The Carter we sent to Cuba wasn't the Carter we got back from Cuba. Anyway, Mr. Gibson, if you know what's good for you, don't provide advice on bridge loans from limited partnerships for 3rd-tier distribution films. The fate of the Western World is in the balance.[click]" Gibson stares at the holes in the receiver, and shudders.... / / / Okay, that's about as plausible as this straw-man fictional news item. Michael Moore's whole shtick is that he's uncovering "truths" so important, making stuff up doesn't really matter. And along we these "truths" it's important to have some bogeymen who "don't want you to know" what's *really* going on. Criminy. My question: will tinfoil hats be available at the snack stand before the film?

  • May 19, 2003, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Star Wars and reality

    by ICMR

    I've been thinking about this for awhile and I would like to share the many similiarities that I perceive between Star Wars and the current state of the world. First off, the title for Episode 2 was announced in August 2001, and after the Sept. 11th attacks, many news organizations used the headline "Attack on America", kind of like "Attack of the Clones". The title represents to me terrorist attacks, in that these people use similiar tactics such as jihad and suicide bombings to inflict damage. The clone army also represents the U.S. military in that war powers had to be obtained before their use in Geonesia (Afghanistan). The assasination attempts on Padme symbolizes the Sept. 11th attacks because Palpatine uses those incidents to propel legislation for war powers with the support of Jar-Jar (Tony Blair). Although the verdict is still out on whether Bush is using the Sept. 11th attacks as propaganda for the War on Terror, the point is that Palpatine's un-ending war against the Seperatists is much like the War on Terror, which seems like a war against countless numbers of terrorists (droids) manufactured by jihad. Osama bin Laden symbolizes the Phantom Menace (as depicted by Mad Magazine's parody of the Episode 2 poster)and perhaps will remain so. The U.N. is partly represented by the Jedi Council- opposed to the use of war- but the difference is that the Jedis eventually join the battle. Episode 3, in 2005, will take place after the Clone Wars, which I hope will reflect the end to combat in our world. The point that I wanted to make with this post is that movies tend to reflect the times at the point of their release, either on purpose or coincidently, and they provide lessons that can viewed in a different context.

  • May 19, 2003, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Michael Moore is a TRUE AMERICAN.

    by Smeg For Brains

    Not like that draft dodging, election stealing weasel that has taken this country completely down the drain.

  • May 19, 2003, 11:21 p.m. CST

    The documentary no one will ever see.

    by rutan07

    Wouldn't it be cool if someone, say a conservative who is on the edge and gets lots of funding, made a documentary that looked indepth into what really went on during the Clinton years. The American public could see how the president back then got his dick sucked, did nothing to countless acts of terrorism against American's all over the globe, and sold secrets to about every foreign government. It would be ground breaking, amazing...oh but wait Hollywood is liberal and would never support such a film from even getting off the ground. Please Harry stop worrying about Moores movies getting made, they always will be made because the world hates men with morals like Bush. I am sure the Bush family has lots of ties to Bin Laden's family but since when were we after Bin Laden's family. Last time I looked we were just after the bastard who killed hundreds of innocent people and we were trying to do what was right by not slaughtering those not involved. I guess in the view of Micheal Moore though we should have just bombed Afganistan from a far like Clinton always did. Then we could have called it a day and never once wondered if we killed those gulity of 9/11 or just the not-guilty ones who aren't involved in Bin Laden's activites just like his family isn't involved.

  • May 19, 2003, 11:53 p.m. CST

    I hate Michael Moore...

    by Supermonkey321

    ...that's about all i wanted to say really. I think he is an idiot, who just wants to create controvercy cuz we all know how much it sells. He doesnt care about "truth" either, he just cares about furthering his own uber-liberal agenda. Fuck him, i hope after this documentary is released, someone shoots him in the fuckin head, i really do! I mean, i believe every life is precious and everything, but christ, so people just dont deserve theirs! Let the bastard burn in hell for all i care. Supermonkey out.

  • May 20, 2003, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Bush Family Values

    by jackburtonlives

    For more than a half century, members of the Bush family have been setting policy and making decisions for all Americans. Let's look at the family that has had such an impact on the lives of human beings worldwide Prescott Bush It all started with Prescott Bush, George W. Bush's grandfather. In 1918 it is said that he robbed the grave and stole the skull <http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20000923roddy.asp>of the Native American warrior Geronimo as part of an initiation into Yale's Skull and Bones Society. The Skull and Bones society has been important to the Bush Family. George Bush Sr. and George W. Bush were also members of this secret society <http://www.nyobserver.com/pages/story.asp?ID=2947>. Congressman Prescott Bush Prescott Bush got into a little bit of trouble back in the 1940s. While American soldiers were fighting the Nazis in WWII, a few of the companies Prescott managed were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act <http://www.americanfreedomnews.com/afn_articles/bushsecrets.htm> because they were selling fuel to and laundering money for Hitler's Nazis. Prescott Bush, Jr. This is GW's Uncle Prescott, Jr. During the embargo on China, his company was the only US firm allowed to do business there, exporting communications satellites <http://www.usatoday.com/news/washdc/2002/02/19/usat-prescott-bush.htm>. Now he's the president of the USA-China Chamber of Commerce <http://www.usccc.org/Current/newboard.htm>, which might be one reason China isn't part of the Axis of Evil. (more on China) <http://www.hereinreality.com/likashing.html> He also has ties to Manuel Noriega (below). For many years, the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (now DEA) wanted to have Manuel Noriega arrested for drug trafficking, but George Bush, Sr. kept him on the CIA payroll <http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lormand/poli/soa/panama.htm>. For more than a decade, thousands of tons of cocaine poured onto the streets of America through the Panama Canal while the US government looked the other way. This destroyed the stability of millions of American families, and the repercussions to our society are still being felt today. Here's GW when he was in the National Guard, which he joined to get out of serving in Vietnam. He was a pilot in Texas until his flight status was revoked for refusing to take medical exams. For at least six months, he didn't even show up for duty. Click here for full details <http://www.hereinreality.com/commander.html> This is Jeb <http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/4221945.htm> Jeb's wife was embarrassed after she got caught smuggling almost $20,000 worth of clothes and jewelery <http://www.naplesnews.com/today/florida/d270483a.htm> into America. This is Jeb's brother Neil Bush. He cost American taxpayers $1 billion <http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2001-03-16/pols_feature3 .html> after some shady loans he made caused the Silverado Savings and Loan to go under in 1988. Now he's making millions selling software to Florida schools <http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryA33844A.htm>. When George Bush, Sr. was the Vice President, he was involved in secretly selling weapons to our enemy Iran <http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/execsum.htm>. The money from the weapons sales went to build a secret army that was trying to overthrow the Nicaraguan government. This resulted in years of violence and slaughter for many thousands of Central Americans, and it allowed thousands of tons of drugs to be dumped on the streets of America. When he was president, George Bush, Sr. gave a presidential pardon <http://dir.salon.com/news/col/cona/2001/02/27/pardons/index.html> to the people involved in it. Besides their last names, George W and Jeb Bush have this in common: all of their children have been in trouble with the law. Unlike most Americans who commit crimes ranging from sexual misconduct to felony prescription fraud, the Bush Kids never go to prison. George Bush, Sr. working for the Carlyle Group. <http://www.hereinreality.com/_borders/bushsuadi.jpg> Now George Bush, Sr. works for The Carlyle Group. They invest in defense companies, medical laboratories, and the telecommunications industry. The Carlyle Group is one of the government's biggest contractors. George Bush, Sr. and The Carlyle Group stand to make billions of dollars from the War on Terror. On September 11, The Carlyle Group was having a conference at the Ritz Carlton hotel <http://www.redherring.com/vc/2002/0111/947.html> in Washington, DC with members of the Bin Laden family, one of their investors.

  • The amount of misunderstanding on these talkbacks about what is right and left is more proof that most of you fuckers don't have a fucking clue about what you are fucking talking about. While i'll admit that M.Moore manipulated the facts, fuck he even might have invented some of them, my problem with all of you is that if it's the foxnews or the president or cia or whoever the fuck it happens to be lying to you, manipulating facts or just plain fucking making them up it's the "truth". So what i can understand from this is that most of you don't mind eating shit, in fact you love it, it's only certain types of shit that you can't swallow (in this case M. Moore's shit)but the rest you can eat in buckets fulls. So yeah Americans are great people, friendly, hospitable, hardworking, great doers but your politicians be they fake left or dangerous right have always fucked whoever they could for money and power, ALWAYS!and will continue to do so until you stop them, your country is in an awful mess socially and economically, your markets are about to collapse just like the towers, you have over spent and over indulged for to long without actually paying any of your debts, your creditors, the rest of the first world wants their money back. War and conquest is the only thing that can keep you at the top or else you are in danger of loosing your iron rule on the world markets, their are more people living in poverty in the USA than there are Iraqi people and as long as your hypocrisy in protecting Israel from it's responsibilities to the rest of the world is in check you will just have more people believing that American politicians are evil cunts. Europe is about to readjust it's currency back in line with gold bullion and then my friends you are going to be drowning in an ocean of shit. Georgy will still have his cash but you won't, so believe whatever you want to believe if you are a scat lover than be proud because by next year all 350 million of you are going to have nothing left to eat.

  • May 20, 2003, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Self-Righteous and Ignorant...

    by Common_Sense

    No, I'm not talking about Americans, I'm talking about everyone in the world including Americans. If you want proof that idiots are everywhere, just read some of the comments from people in the UK that create ridiculous generalizations based on little experience. They merely repeat what they hear from their friends or biased media sources. I would say that the average American is no more ignorant than the average European. Michael Moore is an extremist who will most likely offend far more than he will convince, and the end result is the strengthening of people who oppose him. His obsessive hatred of American culture enrages most Americans, and merely turns them against him. His films are made for Europeans to feel good about themselves, and in that it seems, they have truely been a sucess. The number of chest beating arrogant twits from other countries is a great example of why idiocy is universal. The only way any progress will be made is through semi-civil discussions, not propaganda.

  • May 20, 2003, 1 a.m. CST

    I like Mike !

    by Tsunami3G

    Take the red pill people. Michael Moore is here to show you how it really is. If you don't like it then do what your TV tells you to and never question anyone in power. Be a good little puppet. As for the rest of us we will keep an open mind and never blindly jump on the bandwagon. More Moore!

  • May 20, 2003, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Michael Moore Is A Liar

    by Krillian

    Bowliung for Columbine had some masterful work in it, especially the scenes where the film wasn't about him. The Columbine shootings, the Marilyn Manson interview, the reporter more concerned about his hair than the shooting of a 6-year-old... but BFC also contained lies, ahlf-truths and distortions. Moore pisses off a lot of people because he claims to be a champion of truth when he mixes lies in to the "truth" than he trumpets. I guarantee Fahrenheit 911 will have more of the same. Powerful stuff mixed in with lies, half-truths and distortions. It's entertaining, incendiary propaganda, but it will not be a non-fiction documentary.

  • May 20, 2003, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Harry, it's only the BIGGEST MOVIE OF THE YEAR! Where's that Mat

    by Lenny Nero

    I know there's some bad blood between you and the movie, but Matrix is far more important than another pseudo-documentary from the biggest source of propaganda outside of the U.S. government. I like his movies, but I like Matrix more.

  • May 20, 2003, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Please, Moore, Make this film, I DARE YA

    by Mad Skills

    Can't wait for Moore to make this film b/c it will do more to undermine his integrity than any single brain-dead comment he could ever make. As soon as Americans even HEAR the PREMISE of this film, they will blast Michael Moore to the moon. Will they go see it? Probably, there are enough viewers out there to make millions on any piece of crap the studios can put out, but will they buy it? Doubtful. To call Moore a "documentary" filmmaker is a specious assertion. By very nature of the medium, you're only seeing what he wants you to see in the order and context he wants you to see it in. Does anyone notice that Michael Moore never gives any interviewers to ppl who will ask the tough questions? The most heavy weight show he's ever appeared on is The Daily Show and MAYBE those bleeding heart liberals on the TODAY show. Moore will never let himself appear in an interview with someone who will actually challenge his data, PERIOD. By the way, I'm willing to bet that at least half of that "fan mail" is hate mail and death threats.

  • May 20, 2003, 3:01 a.m. CST

    If Columbine was Deuce Bigalow, then 911 is The Hot Chick

    by jules windex

    How's about instead of Moore's film, let's do a buddy flick with Will Ferrell as Dubya, and Jimmy Fallon as Osama. And they switch bodies! And so Osama has to run America, and Dubya has to live in a cave(or be dead I guess)! Hulk Hogan can co-star as Cheney, and Crackhead Bob can play Chemical Bob(or whatever he was called). It'll make tens, perhaps even hundreds of dollars.

  • May 20, 2003, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Ye of short memories...

    by Zone Zero

    http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html - I'll let this guy's webpage speak for me on this one. I had my mind blown out of the water. I'll NEVER think of Michael Moore the same way AGAIN. - REVOKE MICHAEL MOORE'S OSCAR! - Try and catch me, BIATCHES!

  • May 20, 2003, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Macarthyism

    by zenchaos

    When is this Macarthyism going to end. The biggest casualty of the Iraqi "war" was the freedom of speech. It is going to be an interesting election next year when Bush runs for office again, since nobody is allowed to say anything negative about our president how are they going to have debates? If anyone debates the president the will be accused of being un-American, right?

  • May 20, 2003, 5:49 a.m. CST

    One more time now...

    by Heleno

    OK, so because Michael Moore has made a lot of money from offering his point of view he is a hypocrite? Sorry, no. If he made all that money and didn't keep any, he'd be a saint, not a commentator, and the latter is all you need. As for the rest, I've said it before and I'll say it again. The war on iraq was illegal, plain and simple. There is no question about that. The US is in breach of international law, which might worry them more if they weren't already in breach of half the Conventions going. Take the Rights of the Child, for example. About four countries in the world haven't ratified that, and the US is one of them, and the only western democracy. Why? Cause America appears attached to the nobel idea of executing people for crimes they committed before the age of 18. The US is one of an even shorter list of countries that executed under-18s in the last year or so. There is a reason that Amnesty and even the UN Human Rights Commission have put the US on the list of countries routinely in breach of human rights. The US is falling into the same trap that the UK did 100 or more years ago - preaching virtues they don't practice, quelling dissent without listening first, practising unquestioning belief in the rightness of their own cause by virtue that it is theirs. If the US continues to show this comtempt for the rest of the world, the US empire will crumble as surely as the UK's did. And for those of you who would silence Michael Moore, it is preposterous for any of you who call yourselves American to criticise him for saying what he says. Sure, you can disagree. Sure, you can research alternate points of view if it gets you to thinking, but it is my understanding that as an American he has not only the right but the duty to say what he believes. It's that old chestnut about free speech; when you would die for the right of someone else to say that which you would spend your life refuting at the top of your voice.

  • May 20, 2003, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Lets all face the facts. There was no WAR on Iraq. Just as there

    by TheGinger Twit

    Michael Moore is the only thing going for America right now. He is the LAST AMERICAN, if the description of an American is one who believes in truth, freedom and Democracy. Right now the world has not seen any of this come from America. People can mouth off about Moores documentaries till the first Nuke drops, but the facts are not in dispute - America has the largest crime rate, The largest rate of Murders, & the largest Arsenal of Weapons of mass distruction. No country should be in possession of Nuclear capabilites, but what is it that give America the right to start telling everyone else to disarm, or they're coming to do it for them. This seems more a loop hole so America can start destroying everyone. Bush is the greatest Magician that ever lived - Magician being one who plays the art of mis-direction and conjuring. So far Bush has played us all for fools - EVERYONE KNOWS IT. We all see the Bovine Excrement coming from his chops everytime he opens up and moans. The World is only asking one Question and that is 'Why can't you Americans keep your Dog on a chain'. But of course we should be aware that Bush is not really to blame, he's just the actor for Tv. The face we all must recognise. The real power is something far deeper. Something that sees the human race as children, and sees themselves as the parents diseplening the children. What they really are is the School bully in need of dobbing in. The Truth is available - For that reason the final straw will come with the Corporate control of the Internet, or the shutting down of it all together, which ever comes first. Mark my words - It'll happen. and it'll happen soon. Michael moore can't make this film fast enough. It's not that people need to know, it's more that people need to see it with other people in cinemas. There was nothing in Columbine that I didn't already know... but seeing it told through the eyes of a film maker definately made more of an impact on me. America failed with the ignorance of 911. that was the opportunity for everyone to realise the Governenment for what it is. while Americans were fearing Usama (Correct Spelling, changed to Osama because Bush didn't want USA as the first letters of their new enemy) The rest of the world was fearing America ... Fearing the Giant which would be unleased because of this. Within the 12 hours of Bush telling the world that this was Usama and that any other belief would be left to the conspiracy theorist was the first tell tale sign that there were bigger forces behind this. How do Arabs hijack 4 aeroplanes in american Airspace and crash them into landmarks? huh? Becaus e thos eplanes were allowed to go and crash into landmarks. What about Bush on one hand getting the news from his advisor (All of two seconds) then not jumping out of his chair to become the American Leader... What about his later account of watching the first crash on TV in the hallway of the school before going in ... how many elementary schools have TV's in their hallways? And how many people saw the first plane crash into the building on Tv... well, everyone did... a few days later when that footage was released from amateur camera - not live TV. Bush practically said on David Letterman that if elected he would make information more secret from the public (We really don't need to know some things) [Applause] He then said he's fight terrorism and not sit back if such events should take place [Applause] Is he elected? No! Does he get in? Yes! Hindsight is 20/20 ... and I for one can not wait for moores next film..... or the next 3 lined post which argues against Moore and for Bush!

  • May 20, 2003, 6:10 a.m. CST

    To all those who believe everything Bush says is real, and every

    by TheGinger Twit

    Keep in mind that all the accounds of Usama Bin laden being the terrorist attacker because he had terrorist cells in Afganistan was itself a ... Conspiracy theory. Furthermore, He did not claim responsibility, terrorists do that for their cause - his first public statement was that he had nothing to do with it. Am I an Usama sympathiser? No! I have my doubts the man truely exists - I am a sympathiser to the 500,000 odd Afganistani people killed by American bombs. yes you heard me, 500,000! And for all those who remember how great Bush was for his 'snack drops' - Have a look at a picture of a Food aid package dropped from the air, and an unexploded cluster bomb. you'll be sickened! And to those who help bush's cause by believing Saddam must have moved his Weapons into Syria or Iran during the invasion. If someone is coming into your house with a gun drawn, shooting bullets in your direction, Do you throw your gun into the neigbours backyard. America used the UN to weaken Iraq. They then used the UN to make sure they had no weapons, and destroy the few missiles they had, then they went in and destroyed it and have now taken control of the oil. Think that's another conspiracy Theory? Look at the fact - Museums, Ancient archeological artifacts, Banks and Palaces - looted! Oil administrations and wells - Heavily Protected! It is mind boggling what America has reaped on the world. I think it was Michael Moore who said it best. 'I fear the future of America, For this action will come back to haunt us.' Quite right. quite right.

  • May 20, 2003, 7:40 a.m. CST

    R vs. p

    by RUBBERSOUL12

    It seems to boil down to something very elementary yet profound. This is the battle of the "have's" and "have not's," the rich and poor. The rich eg. Big Oil, Entertainment, people etc (note there are different degrees of both wealth and determination to keep that wealth=power). On the other hand you have poor, uneducated who can range from criminals to "those who overcome", people, thats another extreme. Then you have the middle which is the closest to being stable not necessarily content, because they have something to work for yet still have "things" to enjoy. Now I know I've simplified everything, but only because I'm not going to sit here and write for a week. Here we go- I don't propose communism because it doesn't work, I don't propose socialism because it doesn't work. Democracy tends to work for a while but then crumbles eg. Rome, the US, which is Democracy+Capatilism will be crumbling in 4 to 100 years (an accelerated process due to technology raising the level of arrogance raising the level of ignorance=uneducated and assertion.[The Bush's by the way just want to get their hold on wealth for when the ship sinks.] My point is the only way we will ever have planetary stability is if we have something or someone to fight for "things"(food, water, XBOX, the first to see Matrix reloaded, you know important things) other than ourselves, making us somewhat more indispensable to each other. This might mean we each only get so much Mushu Pork per serving or water or entertainment or access to things, but that is the reality. Ok now who's the first to volunteer to send half your salary to a North Korean family so they can eat, huh. Come on there's enough resources for everyone to get some. I'm not going to, but I think you should.

  • May 20, 2003, 8:18 a.m. CST

    I don't like Bush much, either

    by Mahasamatman

    But you're saying some very foolish things, GingerTwit. You seem to be operating under the idea that the president of this country instigated the 9/11 hijackings, or (to give you the benefit of the doubt) had advanced knowledge and allowed them to happen to strengthen his political position? I'm not sure, exactly, WHAT you're saying, but you don't really believe either of those things, do you? Tell me you're just ranting. Do you realize what you're saying, or intimating? Do you have any idea how impossible that is? Unless you believe Bush is the real Anti-Christ, not the figurative one, in which case, well, all I can say is, good luck to you.

  • May 20, 2003, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Since BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE was a fake piece of crap, I guess th

    by Commando Cody

    Michael Moore is a sad, fat, waste of protoplasm. If we're all lucky he'll just continue to gorge and his stomach will explode any moment now, ridding the world of his pompous ass.

  • May 20, 2003, 9:43 a.m. CST

    MEL GIBSON PROVES AGAIN HE IS TOTALLY COOL BY TELLING MOORE TO

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Go Mel and Icon Productions for telling Moore NO WAY he would get a dime from them for yet another FABRICATED "documentary" where facts are hardly worth talking about. Then again, when it comes to Michael Moore the ONLY thing that matters to him is talking about HIMSELF. What a fat ass. Hope he chokes on something soon in a room full of TV cameras so we can all laugh while he turns blue and savor the moment he kicks off...

  • May 20, 2003, 10:30 a.m. CST

    The Star Wars Prequels are happening right in front of us!

    by madeofstone

    Think about it - An evil politician (Bush/Palpatine) uses a scandal (Clinton/Valorums dealings with the Trade Federation) to get himself elected.------------- He then uses a tragedy (9-11/ Seperatist movement) to get himself more powers.-----------He uses these powers to surpress democracy and freedom of speech.--------He builds up an army and uses them to attack an enemy before they attack him.(Iraq/Geonosis)--------He is hailed a hero and uses fear to convince everyone that they NEED him and that he should have MORE powers.------------and before you we know it, he is a dictator in charge of an Empire.............................................................. But there are bigger problems than that and these are also being played out in the SW Prequels. Palpatine/Bush doesn't CREATE a dictatorship. We GIVE it to him. Why? FEAR. Fear goes right to the heart of the Sith philosophy. We are so scared by the seperatists/terrorists that we'll quite gladly give Bush/Palpatine more powers as long as he gets the bad guys and makes us safe. We might not like it but it's the ultimate 'caught between a rock and a hard place'. Do we like the terrorists? NO. Do we like a dictatorship? NO. But which one will make us safer? DICTATORSHIP. So we choose that.-----------------------------------------It's happening people. The same thing happened in Roman times with Jilius Ceasar and in the 1930's with Hitler. Lucas is using this in the Star Wars myth and it's playing out in reality at the same time.----------------- What next? Is George W Bush going to build a Death Star? Mmmmm....isn't that what the Missile Defence System is?--------Just like in Star Wars the Jedi are caught in the middle with no where to hide. It's the same on this planet.

  • May 20, 2003, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Ayn Rand

    by zenchaos

    LanPB01 why are you quoting the FICTION of Ayn Rand like she is some kind of prophet? What's next Orwell quotes?

  • May 20, 2003, 2:38 p.m. CST

    glassy-eyed zombies

    by Subversive01057

    What this all comes down to is that there are a whole lot of people in this country who feel that most of the Bill Of Rights is simply impractical (if not heresy), that fundamentalist Christians hold THE answer for everyone, and that personal character and human worth is largely determined by wealth and social status (even if inherited). And these glassy-eyed zombies of the Republican party sure know how to control the media and they sure know how to vote.

  • May 20, 2003, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Advanced knowlege of 9-11

    by Subversive01057

    As for whether George Bush had advanced knowledge of 9-11 and let it happen in order to get us into a "war" (in order to strengthen himself politically), I'm not quite sure I believe that. But it has happened before, with Pearl Harbor, or at least a whole lot of people believe it so. And a level of corruption so extreme that it threatens democracy itself is pretty much what the last thirty years of Republican are all about (who largely see it is as an entertaining endgame just prior to the Biblical Apocalypse)--for example, the whole Iran-Contra-Cocaine fiasco, the S&L deregulation "scandals," and of course Jeb's repeated blocking of the Black vote in Florida. All I have to say is that someday Hillary Clinton will be president and then Republicans will experience the kind of terror everyone else does on a daily basis under Bush--that is if they don't blow up the world first (for Jesus!).

  • May 20, 2003, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Back away from the fat man!

    by MadSpin

    I don't recall ever hearing Michael Moore say "be poor, money is bad" so how is he a hypocrite for having earned, through hard work, a nice home and a decent education for his kids? God knows public education has been gutted by the Right in the last twenty years and what apartment is cheap in New York? Not like he can live in Flint after the Republicans let all the corporation rape the working people and destroy the town. He says important things and says them without fear, and that is a rare and important thing in this country, especially under the current regime. Plus - the issue of factual inaccuracy in his movie. Of course he staged a few events, and twisted facts, for the purpose of dramatic effect. At least he didn't make them up out of whole cloth like Rush, Coulter, Hannity and their ilk for the purpose of supporting an unelected president bent on destroying our civil liberties and fragile world balance.

  • May 20, 2003, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Mr. Pink

    by PurityOfEssence

    I doubt that Michael Moore is the Messiah...

  • May 20, 2003, 8:14 p.m. CST

    LANPB01FU

    by blue7

    I can now see why you insist on providing links to opinion pieces and silly anti-Moore sites instead of coming up with any of your own ideas. I assume you were joking when you wrote that companies would flee the US if they were to listen to Moore's ideas. Wasn't the GM plants moving their workforces south and ultimately to Mexico what he had trouble with in the first place? Smoke another one!

  • May 20, 2003, 11:02 p.m. CST

    madeofstone, about Star Wars...

    by Krillian

    George Lucas already said in interviews when Phantom menace was coming out that he based Valorum on Clinton ("a good man unfairly plagued by scandal") and the trade federation on the evil Republicans. That's why the two main ones are named Nute Gunray and Lot Dodd. (Get it? NEWT GUNray and LOTT Dodd.) I'm sure Palpatine is based on Reagan or Bush or whatever evil Republican he envisioned taking over the USA. Maybe George Lucas should help Michael Moore write the screenplay of Fahrenheit 911. It can end with Moore hanging his head in front of the Lincoln memorial before he stabs an apple pie and wails "If only Jacque Chirac were our president! Waaaaa!" Relax,it's only a movie. Movies are supposed to be fun, but these politico message boards always turn into hate and name-calling. I like the Will Ferrell as Bush, Jimmy Fallon as Osama body-switching movie idea. I'll start cutting the trailer now.

  • May 21, 2003, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Bush Allowed September 11th

    by arrestbush

    September 11th White House Cover-up LA TIMES: "Italy Tells of Threat at Genoa Summit" (CHECK THE DATE - JULY, 2001) "Plot: Officials there took seriously a report that terrorists would try to crash a plane to kill Bush and other leaders. " From a Times Staff Writer WASHINGTON -- U.S. and Italian officials were warned in July that Islamic terrorists might attempt to kill President Bush and other leaders by crashing an airliner into the Genoa summit of industrialized nations, officials said Wednesday. Italian officials took the reports seriously enough to prompt extraordinary precautions during the July summit of the Group of 8 nations, including closing the airspace over Genoa and stationing antiaircraft guns at the city's airport. 9-27-01 http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-092701genoa.story "Ashcroft Flying High" CBS News, WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term. "There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it. +++ Q Had there been any warnings that the President knew of? MR. FLEISCHER: No warnings. Office of the Press Secretary, September 11, 2001, Press Briefing to the Pool By Ari Fleischer, Aboard Air Force One, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010911-6.html +++ Evidence of high-level government complicity in the events of 9-11 http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm +++ Exposing NORAD's Wag The 911 Window Dressing Tale Using NORAD

  • May 21, 2003, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Michale Moore is a DOUCHE Bag

    by tfrancis

    Why the fuck should any one even SEE this ass hole's documentry's this man makes money and accepts awards buy selling out human tragidy. Who the fuck does this guy think he is. I for one will boycott this any other fucking movie this douche bag even has a hand in. Ps. The elction was counted and fucking recounted and bus still won. allthough i am not a big fan of bush MOORE NEEDS TO SHUT THE FUCK UP.

  • May 21, 2003, 6:55 a.m. CST

    ArrestBush, I don't know what's more insane: you for believing w

    by Commando Cody

    If you think you're convincing anyone with your propaganda, X-Files like drivel...you're sadly mistaken. Now get out of your parent's basement, go meet a girl, and go get laid and learn to enjoy life.

  • May 21, 2003, 12:06 p.m. CST

    by RCSanders

    What has any other country ever done for America? Not a damn thing. Someone needs to open a 7th-grade history book and learn that without France, there wouldn't *be* an America of which to be so rabidly defensive. Shut up and turn on your radio, I think Rush is on...

  • May 21, 2003, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Telegraph UK article, WMD

    by DJLA

    quote from article "This stuff is just dumped in the Euphrates without any concern for the many people who drink and wash with water from the river." Looks good now for us to prove our point. But what about our own corporations (who fund the Bush Cartel) who continually dump contaminates in rivers without regard to the many people who drink it. And Bush just keeps making it easier with the recent passage of of pollution regulations. The polluters are no longer required to get the best pollution control equipment when they want to expand. Gotta do what we can to help those big businesses get bigger, don't we now. Eating mercury-filled fish is just another sacrifice we must make as a people to ensure Americans have jobs (even if they are minimum wage). Maybe that can be covered in Moore's expose as well.

  • May 23, 2003, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Read the Downsize This

    by Go Ducks

    If you Moore haters would actually research what Moore has said maybe you would quit attacking him for being buddy buddy with Clinton. Since Downsize This Moore has consistantly criticized Clinton for the things he did wrong. Moore won't make a movie about the Monika scandal because it's not an important topic, however the manipulation of a national tragedy is. In recap criticizing Moore for not criticizing Clinton just undercuts any other point you might be trying to make because it's completely false.

  • June 24, 2003, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Moore Power

    by reelgone

    Stupid Gen-X naysayer's...though an excellent video on the 911 cover-up is already available, Moore will add mainstream values and updated material that will fry Bush's hide and just in time for the election. But wait...the Bush camp, with unlimited resources, will unleash a smear/lie campaign the likes of which have never beeen seen before. Expect every internet list and chat forum to be invaded by GOP moles. Expect the press (media) to supress information. And if they should fail through these efforts, then expect the White House to launch into another war - possibly even suggest cancelling the election. The GOP spends as much or more resources on rubbing out democracy (Democratic Party included) as they do on the real issues facing all Americans. Want to see something REALLY scary? Bush running for the Presidency in 2004 - it will make your hair stand on end! Thank God for people like Michael Moore and other freedom loving Americans who are unafraid to stand up to the neo-conservative bastards (Nazi's) that have taken over our country. TAKE BACK AMERICA IN 2004! Go Michael Moore - Moore Power!

  • Nov. 30, 2003, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Huge Archive of Michael Moore Video Clips and Audio Clips..

    by webkev

    http://www.corporatecrime.org/media.htm