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Harry's additional comments on MATRIX RELOADED after watching the MATRIX double feature opening night!

Hey folks, Harry here… As promised in my First Review, I told you I’d see the film a second time. Tonight, I saw the films in IDEAL circumstances… not at a press screening with critics, but at the Alamo Drafthouse Mega-Matrix Geek Event. This was a 35mm Double Feature of THE MATRIX and MATRIX RELOADED. Before the films they were running an animated Matrix trivia contest asking questions varying from easy to hard regarding the Matrix, and your seat had automated interactive controls so each and every audience member could play.

Folks were cheering and laughing and celebrating winning their prizes. The Matrix-Heinie beer promotion was in full swing and folks were drinking them by the six pack. As the MATRIX played the audience applauded and cheered. As THE MATRIX RELOADED played… there was very little reaction to anything more than the cute jokes that the movie has. There was no applause after any battle scenes. As the film ended, about 95% of my audience got up and left with zero applause, no cheers and left without seeing the REVOLUTIONS teaser. I was shocked. I might have many problems with the film, but there’s no way I would leave before seeing the teaser for REVOLUTIONS. In fact, I’d say the critics’ screening that I first saw the film was more reactive to the film than this screening was. That’s scary.

Watching the two films back to back on the big screen underlines every single problem with the sequel.

1. The first film was covered in darkness… lit by isolated lamps, flashlights, emergency lights and spotty fluorescents and iffy bulbs… Probably to cover the limitations of their budget with darkness. This time, since they had the whole of the Time/Warner/AOL fortune, the film is much brighter to look at. Almost every nook and cranny can be seen. In fact, it’s all real pretty, but there’s an edge taken off the atmosphere here.

2. In the first film the fights were in static environments where the focus was the combatants, this time the fights are typically in highly volatile environments that are either so filled with combatants to render the fights mute…. Or in environments so filled with motion that the eye is naturally drawn to other things than just the fighting. The resulting effect means that the audience doesn’t feel the impact of the fight, but is overwhelmed by the setting. Ultimately making the fights meaningless.

3. Also in the first film, the action sequences were exceptionally organic with all the characters moving forward through the story together, losing characters to death and loss as you went along, meaning that the action was being used to weed the characters down till there could be only one… Neo. Much like the masterful way PREDATOR was structured, where there were many badasses, until there was only THE BADASS. Also in the first film, the fights had a variety of fighting styles. Neo or Morpheus would begin in one style, then, when noticing it wasn’t working, they’d improvise and shift to a different martial arts form, with a certain debonair flair. Here, there’s none of that. Here the fighting is segmented, non-organic and without a sense of unity, but of chaos. The result again is the difference between action that serves a story and action that the story makes room for. Unfortunately this is the case here.

4. The first film was brutal and unforgiving. Here, you never lose characters you like. There really is no sense of true horror. Everything seems so readily solvable. Like there are definite pre-determined answers for all of this. Like there is no self-determination. And I understand that to a degree that’s the whole point of this. That ‘mankind’ is in a chess game of life and death with the machines, and the machines always have the first move, which causes you to react, which in turn makes it so that mankind is merely being lead to the slaughterhouse willingly, but subconsciously. I miss the weight to the events in the first film. The perfect balance of charm, romance, mythology, laughs, tears and taut suspense… oh and action. I never get that hopeless feeling that I felt the characters faced in the first film. Never had the, “What the fuck does NEO think he’s doing strapped to that helicopter?” I just didn’t get the sense of… “OH SHIT, WHAT NEXT?” Never went… “OUCH!” This film never really HURTS the audience like the first one. I mean, tonight… when that audience saw Morpheus’ head collide with the toilet and break it off in the first film… It gasped… They’ve fucking seen that movie a million times, and they still gasped. Never heard that sort of collective gasp. That pole of Neo’s never knocks Agent Smith’s teeth out of his mouth and embedded them into a brick wall. I never saw a broken bone this time. Nothing ever hurt like that bullet in Morpheus’ leg as he’s trying to leap for freedom. Nothing in this film really leaves that sort of impact.

5. Ok, and formally this time… I really miss TANK. The new guy is lame… He’s always there for comedic effect. The touchdown “YES”, the “I can’t take this,” exasperation… He plays like a Martin Lawrence wannabe… Whereas Tank… Tank was a passionate character. Some one with beliefs, personal pain, loss and sacrifice. None of those feelings are felt here. Unfortunate.

Contrary to what I’ve heard, this film didn’t improve with a second viewing for me. It went downhill. Watching with a room of die-hard MATRIX fans… didn’t do a thing for it. If anything, the noticeable sap of energy from Film 1 to Film 2 was shocking. The only applause was when the initial green Warner Brothers shield hit the screen. From there on… flat line.

BTW – I want to correct something from my first review. ZION isn’t destroyed in MATRIX RELOADED. That was a point of confusion for me, sorry if this caused you any problems, admittedly I guess my mind was still on the event that had immediately preceded that conversation.

That was the setting of screen 4 10pm opening night at the Alamo Drafthouse. Hell, the FREDDY VS JASON trailer got applause when it was over. Though LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN, KILL BILL, TERMINATOR 3 and LAST SAMURAI didn’t. Odd?

How did your screening go?

Folks, Harry here again... I LIKE THE MOVIE... Everything that the Architect and the Merovingian and the Oracle have to say in the film had me absolutely captivated. Those are the best moments of the film. The reason I'm focusing on the problems is because that seems to be what many seem to gloss over. And for everyone that had a screening with screaming and cheering... I truly envy you folks, that's why I went tonight, I was hoping for a wild audience that would just get into it, unlike the CRITIC screening, but unfortunately... That never happened. They laughed at the 'jokey' moments, but never reacted to the non-funny stuff. Heck, Quint and I reacted stronger at the Critics screening than this audience did. Personally I like the film about the same way I liked the X-FILES movie... Disappointed, but I enjoyed it.

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  • May 15, 2003, 2:54 a.m. CST

    First

    by aceschnd

    I agree the crowd gave the same reaction you describe, however i thought it kicked ass

  • May 15, 2003, 2:54 a.m. CST

    geez, you are an idiot

    by lilvenom

    i dont know what screening you were at, but everyone here in boston LOVED IT. bite me harry

  • May 15, 2003, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Better than that...

    by 11811

    ...though the audience didn't seem all that overwhelmed. Me, though, had a good time. The first one wasn't perfect, but did improve with age.

  • May 15, 2003, 2:57 a.m. CST

    First! (Yeah, right)

    by desslok

    I cant wait for this movie to be out, so we can get over it and on with our lives.

  • May 15, 2003, 3 a.m. CST

    RELOADED was OK

    by Eric1321

    the movie was alright... I was highly dissapointed. but then again look what were comparing MATRIXRELOADED to. we're comparing it to THEMATRIX. I guess if you don't compare this movie to THEMATRIX or any other movie then it was good..er... right? Too bad, fight scenes were fun. I really wanted to like it, I felt as if I was watching some shitty STUDIO SEQUEL... DANCE SCENE WAS SUPER STOOPID!!!

  • May 15, 2003, 3:01 a.m. CST

    A nice THIRD screening

    by ElBarto

    I saw M:R at 10:30 up in Dallas, with a packed house. The audience was on fire, most noticiably by the fact that i had a die-hard matrix fan sitting next to me. While i didn't think the film had the same 'soul' as the first one, i still found it enjoyable and still had those OH MY FUCKING GOSH moments where you sit on the edge of your seat. Also, WHAT WAS WRONG WITH THE CINEMATOGRAPHY!? IT HAS COMPLETELY CHANGED SINCE FILM 1!! Did the director of photography from the first one leave? Or were they just slacking off? Anyway, it mostly kicked ass and i'll wait in line for another 8 hours for REVOLUTIONS!

  • May 15, 2003, 3:05 a.m. CST

    tekno beatz!

    by polygonwindow

    hey what was the music in the polefighting scene in the trailer? fluke? juno reactor? need these phat tekno beatz!!

  • May 15, 2003, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Holy Shit! Harry is right

    by LuckyYoga

    Just came back from seeing this glorious mess of a film and reading Harry's review. I usually totally disagree with Harry but he is dead on. This movies shits all over the wonderful plot points built in the fist movie. My favorite parts of the movie are the dialoge scenes between Neo & the oracle/architect not the lame brain videogame action sequences plus the cgi fight with Neo and the 100 plus agent smiths isnt going to hold up worth dick on the huge Imax screen and was completly pointless. Hopefully Matrix Revolutions will make up for this film but I doubt it since the trailer I saw looked just like the movie I just got finished watching. Well at least we have the LOTR Return of the King to look forward to.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Glad its thursday.............

    by rhedd5

    So i can finally go see this behemoth myself and justifiably disagree with all this hating on reloaded bullshit. Bad acting, cheesy meladramatic lines laced with self-mockery, the first Matrix was laden with these glaring flaws, yet we all loved it. Get off your Film Buff high horses and pay allegiance to what these movies are all about. Major ass to be kicked. I just hope i dont miss the sexiest tomboy beanpole having a beer and cheating on harry.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:24 a.m. CST

    VERY POOR ARGUMENTS, VERY POOR CRITICS

    by Rcamacho2278

    just saw the movie, and I just now read the reviews of the matrix which I purposely avoided to avoid even a hint of spoilers. Im trying to understand what peoples major gripes are about this film.trying to understand what the major complaints are and see if they are valid.Ive decided, No, they are not valid, not because im defending the movie cuz im a fanboy, its just that the arguments are pretty childish and silly. The argument that this movie doesnt live up to its own imagination is just ridiculous. the fact that theres animatrix videos that expand the universe to further understand the film shows a great deal of imagination ,and instead of sticking to the rules set by the first film it expands the story to show a great deal more imagination. I mean do you honestly think this film would have been to your liking (harry and quint) if Neo could just at a snap of a finger destroy any opposition or if he taught his fellow rebels how to crack an agents code or fly? would the story be interesting if everyone in the matrix was zipping around with their own powers like some kinda x universe? maybe it could have been explained that maybe not everyone can learn what he knows, or maybe it could have been explained that maybe he just can't destroy code as easily as it looked in the first film.Its irrelevant. Then you critics contradict yourselves, because if you did want to see neo fight now you want to see him fight monsters! Zombies and demons and werewolves, I wish you could hear how you sound, like 10 year olds wishing there were more monsters, that point is irrelevent. ok you got your parts you didnt like, maybe you didnt like the rave scene, but if your a guy with normal hormones with a social life you cant tell me that was a hot scene with hot girls dancing hot. but cmon out of 2 hours and 18 minutes. a 4 minutes scene like that cant hurt you can it. or are you guys that anal ? or maybe you didnt like the fight scenes. I hear you guys saying block block kick block...I dont know what you guys are really looking for. arm wrestling? maybe you want neo to shoot great big neon optic blasts from his eyes, I dont get it, this movie had the most amazing fight scenes that have never been done in any other movie. My gripe is nothing with the movie I guess its more and more with the critics, people who have become so anal with things and so self absorbed with their own feelings of how they can make a better film that they just simply gotta criticize, but not a good kinda criticizing, a criticizing in bad taste with poor poor arguments.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Proof that we come from two VERY different worlds Harry.

    by Saluki

    The crowd cheered and clapped and yelled and screamed at all the right moments at my showing. 50% left during the credits, but if they had the knowledge that the REVOLUTIONS teaser was attached (uh, hello? Very few people actually know about this), then I have no doubt at 20% more would have stayed. This film was no more bright then the first. The fights take place in a small teahouse, a normal apartment center, on top of a semi truck and inside a mansion. These enviroments, excluding the semi truck, are no more detailed then the areas in the first. The semi fight I thought was only enchanced by the fear of falling off. No different fighting styles? What do you call Neo picking up the pole? Or the Sai's? What about the sword battles? No brutal scenes in Reloaded? Well, people die. Horrible deaths even. We barely know them, because the scope is simply too large now. We can't learn every last thing about every last character. Instead, we focus on the ones that matter and move on from there. Link has more background then Tank, always has the right answer, and the actor who played Tank was a grade A+ DICK. Thank you for correcting the Zion comment, and it just sounds like you had either a very small, or a very dead crowd. I had the exact opposite, and enjoyed every minute.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:33 a.m. CST

    blair witch 2 kicks ass...

    by brakula

    ... and matrix reloaded sucks. right, harry? I just saw this with an enthusiastic audience in South Austin. This movie is a true continuation of the events in the first movie, but its not the rehash that some people want it to be.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Right ON SALUKI.these Critics know SHIT

    by Rcamacho2278

    yup,diffrent fighting styles, diffrent weapons. what exactly are they comparing? when neo switched styles to fight the agents or morpheus? there was not MUCH action in the first movie. Maybe they wanted neo to try drunken boxing jackie chan style to 100 agents. Their arguments are silly and stupid. more lighting less atmosphere??? No sense of "ouch" ??? they complain that neo doesnt just use his powers to destroy the code then bitch cuz he cant get hurt. my god your all a pack of contradictions, And remember, this is a trilogy, nobody important died in lord of the rings the two towers, that is cuz theres a third movie. dont you fucken critics think the real sense of loss will come in the third and you should hold back that comment?

  • May 15, 2003, 3:40 a.m. CST

    OMG that sucked!

    by Jesus_crist

    Matrix reloded sucked on every possible level, I am blown away by how bad it was. As the end credit rolled no one in audience made a sound, no applause no cheers, nothing. How the fuck did they screw this one up so bad. There is absolutely nothing good about this movie.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Harry keeps missing the point

    by (DPG)Morphine

    Reloaded is more than just an action movie Harry, it is a sensory explosion that takes all the we know from the Matrix and challenges us to rethink what we know. I just saw it on Wednesday and after it was all over some dingleberry complained that there was too much "talking". I think that he and you wanted to see Reloaded for your own nitpicky reasons. "Oh it was too bright here" and "not enough tension" are just petty complaints. In Reloaded, Neo doesn't become a God, he's still confused about what his purpose is. The Matrix was a teaser leading up to the realization that the rabbit hole goes far deeper than anyone imagined.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Damn it ! this movie was frickin good..........

    by debrislide

    I'll admit that the first 40 minutes or so were pretty much a bore. But all the stuff Harry's bitchin about is a crock of crap. This movie kicked ass. The direction they took Reloaded in was unexpected but you know that's ok. I don't expect the filmmakers to make the movie that's in "MY" head. You frickin bunch of whiners this movie kicked my ass and left me wanting more. So get over yourselves, go and enjoy one of the best action movies you'll see this year. Just forgive the first boring 40 minutes.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Three major problems with the movie...

    by RobTheIdiot

    1. rave 2. piece of cake 3. pacing. Let me expand a bit. The rave/sex scene was totally unnecessary. Let me qualify this by saying that I love tits and ass just as much as the next guy, but it took way too long. They could have cut it right after Trinity comes up to Neo, kisses him, and says something like, "hey, let's go over there and hump". Pointless. The piece of cake thing with French boy was TOTALLY unnecessary, even more than the rave scene. All they had to do was cut it at the closeup scene with her lips parting, then cut to her going to the bathroom. That's it! That gets the point across! No need to show the actual burst thing happening. It's almost like that scene was put there by teenage boys. I can't express how mad that scene made me!! They both have no place in the movie. Thirdly, the pacing. Little snips here and there would make all of the difference. I could sit here and talk about how I've edited commercials and short films and I know how things should flow, but you wouldn't believe me anyway. Those problems aside, I did overall enjoy the movie, but I still enjoyed X2 more, much to my surprise. Even now, reading what I just typed, it just doesn't make sense. But it's true! As far as the mood in my theater, it wasn't quiet like Harry's, but not really crazy either. Laughs in the right places, oohs and aahs in the cool parts, and there was some applause. So okay, I'll stop now...

  • May 15, 2003, 3:47 a.m. CST

    There are no werewolves (duh)

    by brakula

    I hope that Harry noticed that the oracle never actually says that werewolves and vampires exist. She says that our folklore classifies anomalous programs as vampires, werewolves, or whatever. It doesn't mean that they exist. It something like an ancient human might look at us and call us gods, vampires, or ghosts. This is a good movie, and don't let these initial bad reviews bother you. If you enjoyed the movie for reasons other than cool special effects, then go see this with an open mind. The rave scene isn't too horrible, and it is refreshing that the human's last dance, instead of their last stand, was given screen time. Maybe it means something...

  • May 15, 2003, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Unfortunately Harry can't be shown what The Matrix is....

    by PreacherJesse

  • May 15, 2003, 3:54 a.m. CST

    matrix reloaded

    by tomwm

    i saw the film tonight and can't decide wether or not i'm dissapointed. the film is LARGE, don't get me wrong, but i can't help but feel the characters are like cardboard. Hear me out. It's like an experiment in some ways. The movie has such explosive action sequences, one after the other, but does that make a good film? No. Character development and a growing storyline is what makes an action sequence powerful, and the matrix reloaded doesn't really have that. Keep in mind, I've only seen it once so my initial opinion may change. Do I feel ripped off? Absolutely not. The film is immensley entertaining. But the lack of organic characters leaves one with a jaded feeling. The film is astonishing to watch, but I feel like it's missing something that could make it all the more better. It's a really cool movie, but for right now, the first Matrix film seems to have the upper edge.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Harry, what are you on?

    by TheJon

    I normally agree with a lot Harry has to say. In this instance I must 110% disagree. As they got deeper into the Matrix, things did not look quite so gritty for a reason. They were getting higher up the food chain in the programming world of the Matrix (they were playing with the high rollers and not thugs on the streets)! I could go on but I think I'll let the talk balks speak for themselves.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:01 a.m. CST

    it was alright

    by Johnyreb

    I just got back from the 10:50 showing in memphis. I wasn't all that disappointed, but knowing that the third one is coming out in a few months kinda negated the suspense. I was not impressed with the burly brawl, but was impressed with the freeway scene. Anyway, I walked out thinking that movie goers were handed something cool rather than something relevant. Oh, and if anyone in memphis is reading this, TURN OFF YOUR DAMN CELL PHONE IN THE THEATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 15, 2003, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Did anyone clap and cheer at the end of the first one?

    by ViciousMonkey

    I think fans will have to sacrific a goat praising this movie for Harry to be happy.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:17 a.m. CST

    This Movie Failed In Every Way.

    by vash666

    You fanboys can defend this lump of shit all you like but no amount of double talk, creative spin, or hype will salvage the complete and utter mess that is The Matrix: Reloaded. Some of you in this forum actually claim this is an intelligent film? Well, let me explain something to you; convoluted plot lines and sagging logic do not imply overt intelligence. This film made very little sense, it violated the rules and parameters of it's own universe, and it took a decent concept and reduced it to a smoldering heap of illogical and pedestrian filmmaking. You think G. Lucas is weeping? Try laughing his fucking ass off. This film will gross huge numbers this weekend, then nosedive rapidly. I have only one mantra: may Revolutions salvage this mess.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:18 a.m. CST

    What an offbase retarded review.

    by Darth Siskel III

    I can relate to a FEW points Harry makes, but ultimately his review is retarded. "The Highway scene is ultimately underwhelming" says it all. If you see the movie and can fathom uttering something like this, then you must be Evil Fucking Knievel. The movie delivered. A few scenes could have been trimmed, but overall, this was a better middle movie than The Two Towers, and setup a shitload of interesting characters and posibilities. Why hate the kid, the new operator, the counsel, and just about everyone else new in the movie? Even dislike the fights, which were totally taken to the next level? And as far as Neo not living up to his potential setup in the last movie, they continued it perfectly. He was doing missions with Morpheus and Trinity, and fighting based on the situations. HE WAS FIGHTING OTHER MATRIX INHABITANTS, NOT AGENTS so he's not going to tear them apart like machine code. The dumbest part of the review is that you don't even discuss the ending, which is what everyone that watched the movie has been debating the meaning of. Everything that was said by the Oracle and by "GOD" at the end of the movie. Destroying Xion 5 times before, what it all means. NOthing about that was said in passing. It's the whole point of the movie. Get into it!

  • May 15, 2003, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Hey Harry, I have a question...

    by Dolemite_fan

    you mentioned the Drafthouse showed a KILL BILL trailer, was it the one from GANGS OF NEW YORK or a new summer one? Just curious. I am seeing RELOADED tomorrow night and I really do not know what to think of it at this point, which is cool with me. Hhhmmmm...I think that is it; I'll be checking in here tomorrow night after I see it. Farewell all.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:21 a.m. CST

    You just didn't get it, did you?

    by NeoCloud

    Most of the points I have were already written above...Seriously, though, I doubt the Wacho-sa-ma-call-'ems, wanted us to jump up and down and scream and dance and pee our pants at the end of the movie! It was probably a greater compliment to them that we went home thinking about it. I suppose the greatest part of the movie to me was the fact that it had definite, clear rules within the matrix. Yes, Neo could fly, la-dee-dah. There is still only so much anyone within is capable of doing. If this wasn't true, then Trinity and Morpheus could fly, too. Praise be, too, that Neo didn't fight werewolves and vampires, ugh, how stupid would that be? Oh, and the rave...really, come on...These people grew up in the late 20th century before being released. What are they supposed to do in a cave, bang on drums and club each other over the head?

  • May 15, 2003, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Much better than Harry says...

    by reversemigraine

    Saw it tonight at 10 p.m. Gotta say, after reading Knowles' review, I was going in with a lot of skepticism. I'm glad I did, because it made my enjoyment that much more surprising and genuine. Harry is right -- there are problems with this movie -- but hell, there are problems with the first, and I think this is a step in the right direction, at least in terms of the plot. I overheard a frat boy saying to his brothers, "I didn't understand a word that anyone said, but the effects were BOMB!" I felt exactly the opposite -- though some of the lines were a little too verbose (I can see the Wachowskis sitting at their laptops, constantly replacing perfectly fine words with Microsoft Word's thesaurus), I felt that the story itself was much more interesting than the special effects. The Architect's story is a nice twist, and I like the fact that I still can't decide whether he was telling the truth or just trying to plant doubt in Neo's head. I had hoped for a little more from this mysterious human sabouteur who the movie ends on, or at least more than some Abyss-style hand mutilation. As I said above, the effects, and the fight scenes in general, got pretty boring after a while. The CGI couldn't hold a candle to the first film's wire tricks -- the computer-generated human models were too stiff and looked like McFarlane toys. Aside from the freeway scene, there wasn't much in the way of action that we hadn't seen in the first film. (Don't start in on the fights with Smith -- those scenes are the ones in which the CGI betrays itself the most.) All in all, it felt more like a setup to a bigger movie than a full second act, but it's better than Tubby says. A lot of uneducated morons will walk out completely confused, but fuck 'em.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Tonight's showing

    by ErichRino

    Many people left as soon as the credits ran. Why? Because the damn movie just wasn't that good. The first half-hour or so gave new meaning to the word "slow". Holy crap, did that drag! The only good part of the first 30+ minutes was the multiplying Smiths. I mean seriously, we've got the damn Jedi Council. Morpheus X giving his "We didn't land on The Matrix, The Matrix landed on us" speech. And, knowing they only had 72 hours to live, why the fuck did the people of Zion film a Britney Spears video? Did I miss something? However, it wasn't all bad. The ghost twins, Tomax and Xamot, were pretty awesome, yet stunningly under-used.And the Keymaker was a neat old guy. The freeway chase was a runner-up to the car chase in The Blues Brothers. Pretty damn nice. Two things pulled me out of the movie, tho. (1) Flipping between Real Neo and Animatrix Neo. I have been able to play Enter The Matrix, and the animated Neo was barely better than the videogame Neo. (2) I think the brothers are trying too hard to get the Star Wars geeks into The Matrix. Case in point - Smith - "Mr. Anderson, Morpheus never told you about your father" Neo - "He told me enough! He told me you killed him!" Smith - "No, Mr. Anderson, I am your father." TOTALLY out of place in this movie. In the end, I give it 3 out of 5 stars. See it, but don't expect too much.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:29 a.m. CST

    not in my theater

    by tsnbrody1

    The crowd I saw it with went ape shit. People cheared, gasped, and enjoyed the hell out of the movie. I funkin love reloaded. I blew my load all over the seat in front of me. That is the movie of the year. The truck fight looked fake but what do you want. Neo is superman.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:36 a.m. CST

    I lost it all after Godzilla 1998

    by prajadhipok

    You will probably twist your story after a month or something like what you did with Godzilla. You had too much high expectation for this movie (MR) and I am sure many people will hate it for that reason. It IS a good movie and it's a shame not many will agree. Oh yeah and fuck your comment about Zion, so like an idiot you thought wrong and had to apologize about it in your recap. Next time pay attention to the movie, you are probably reviewing something without even knowing half of whats going on. LOL... Mystery Science Theatre 3000 is awesome!!!

  • May 15, 2003, 4:36 a.m. CST

    What the FUCK are you TALKING ABOUT!?!?!

    by Rcamacho2278

    smith is not neos father you dumb as dumb shit. bottom line is if you didnt like this movie then you wont fucken like any other movie coming out this summer, you wont like the hulk, you wont like return of the king this winter. You assholes should just stop watching movies if all your gonna do is criticize the SHIT outta the movie and forget why we watch movies in the first place. you want fucken realism put on CNN you dumb shits.

  • I just saw it... and, I think that Harry and that Garth guy just show how not smart they are. I can't imagine how they came up with the reviews they did. I thought that most of the movie would make sense to average people. Their reviews read like they didn't even see the movie that I did. Hey guys, do you brains work? Do they? Do they? I am wondering if they do. Well, what can you expect out of people who have enough time to run huge websites about movies. Oh well. It's sad. I guess coffee table talk about politics is not a sign of intelligence.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:43 a.m. CST

    gawd damn you anal bastards!!!!!

    by quartermain5

    Firstly this movie kicks all movie ass, just wanted to get that shitt straight. secondly all you negative bitches pull your head from your anal retundant asses. you naysayers all say that "awww shitt the first forty minutes are to boring to much talk blah blah blah!" give me a fucking break come on you fuckin losers the first matrix had almost the same amount of pacing did any major action take place while neo was still part of the matrix? fuck no!! how long did that whole part of the movie last almost forty fuckin minutes you dumbasses but you still praise that motherfucker as the messiah of sci-fi films dont you? But back to the whole first half of the movie was to boring and too much talk well to refute that the w. bros are trying to set the plot in motion for both reloaded and revolutions right in that part of the movie. and you know what the whole zion part was enjoyable seein a day in the life of zion was cool and so did the way zion looked. secondly complaints on neo not being to superman like i a load of fuckin crock heres a dumbass complaint "why dosent neo just destroy smith or the other agents code like he did in the first matrix?" heres the answers you simple asses. one agent smith isnt the same program anymore hes upgraded into something different all together and so are the agents remember they're upgrades so they're not gonna be the same code that they were before. secondly neo dosent have the time to deal with that time isnt on his side when he fights the agents hes fighting to give trinity and morpheous time to get the keymaker when hes fightin smith hes tryin to leave where he met the oracle and remember that 100,000 sentinels are drilling their way to zion. the kung-fu scenes take fight coreography to another level all together. the car chase scene is the shit...it just is and the whole archetict scene is the fuckin coolest mind fuck. for people who havent seen the movie and have read both the negative and positive reviews just go see it, trust me its worth it. oh by the way on harrys review remember this is the same harry that said daredevil is the greatest comic book movie made at the time that aotc was the greatest starwars movie nest to empire strikes back and xxx was..well im not even gonna comment on that. and one final remark i do remember way back in 1999 that initial reviews of the matrix were poor and it wasnt until us yes us as in the audience made it a hit that those same critics who gave those dumb ass reviews changed their stance and called it a revolutionary film of its time how much you wanna bet the same things gonna happen here?

  • May 15, 2003, 4:51 a.m. CST

    How come noone's mentioned...

    by Coercix

    The extremely tasteless scene where the camera goes into that woman's vagina made of the Matrix code? If someone had told me this was in a Matrix movie beforehand I would have yelled bullshit, how far the Wachowski's have fallen.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:51 a.m. CST

    damn you harry

    by letsyoudown

    personally, i thought it was ok with the special effects and all, but you damn you harry for being right, i know it's true, but i just don't wanna believe it...what a shame :\

  • May 15, 2003, 4:54 a.m. CST

    I'm actually half and half on this....

    by Coercix

    I agree with Harry for the most part, but wanting to see Neo fight werewolves and aliens is ridiculous. The action sequences (with the exception of the 100 smiths) were the weakest part of the movie. The movie opens remarkably sluggishly and the rave was pointless and unneccessary. I hated anything in Zion. The movie started to show promise towards the end, all of the new revelations are very intrigueing and that's ultimately what these movies are about. But like Harry said, there is no suspense or relevance to any action in this movie whatsover, even the Freeway sequence was a huge let down (with the exception of that final superman shot). I'm thinking Revolutions will pick of the pieces and bring up the quality of this trilogy.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Just let it go!

    by Son Bravo

    The whole point of Matrix is to open your minds, so after the first one you're already going into the second one believing ANYTHING is possible. I didn't look for plotholes or bad acting, I watched Neo take apart the Smiths thanks to a pole and the wonderful nature of physics, and I enjoyed the hell out of it. Good god, I broke a sweat on this movie. More than once. After a fight was over, I was out of breath. On the freeway scene, the camera is darting under cars and trucks and my jaw is dropped. It deserves credit for being a great visual films, but I also agree that this film's plot was driven much more by action. I didn't hate it though. I enjoyed every fight scene. The Smith fight was definetely the coolest, but I felt much more involved due to the angles used during the freeway chase. AMAZING. Just let your mind go and enjoy the damn movie. It is filled with much more wit than something like Last Action Hero, and I'm thinking all the nay-sayers will be changed once they watch Revolutions, and YES, the nay-sayers WILL be in line waiting for their tickets.

  • I refuse to believe that Harry's negativity is actually based on his real reaction to this movie. There's got to be some kind of politics or other external factor behind it. I really believe this movie was better than the first in every major category. The story arc at the end was extremely thought provoking, and expands on the creativity of the first film. The cinematography, acting, and especially action and effect are all an improvement on the first. I did enjoy X-Men 2, but it completely boggles my mind that people even believe they're in the same league, let alone that it's somehow better than Matrix 2. Matrix Reloaded...Great Film.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Just saw "Rewound"...er..."Reloaded."

    by hailredskins

    Have to be honest here- it was a bloated movie that got so wrapped up in it's effects and setups for the effects that it forgot to take any time to invest in the characters. There was little to no emotional connection- just hit the reset button on the PS2 and advance to the next cool fight. Some impressive effects here and there with its' big budget, but nothing that will be that memorable in a week. And I couldn't help but think of numerous other movies that it gently "borrowed" from such as: Dark City, Road Warrior, Dune, Superman 2, Fight Club- not to mention animated favs Akira and Ghost in the Shell. You'll have more fun playing the video game than investing another 2+ hours of this (or at the very least you'll sneak into the showing 40 minutes into the movie to check out the freeway sequence again). I give it a 6 out of 10 and have to nudge X2 as the better movie so far this summer. Maybe the sequel will be better...so Joel Silver and his media machine hopes. In review, not a bad movie, but definitely a bit of a bore and sometimes mediocre effects combined with great effects

  • May 15, 2003, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Not a Matrix fanboy, but pleasantly surprised.

    by Mashimaro

    Just wanted to say that although I went to the theater with less than high expectations, I came out of the theater with the feeling that it was $9.75 of well spent money (yup - damn online ticketing charges!!!) Two points that interested me the most ~ 1) the whole interpretation of choice in the "Neo/Architect" encounter as shown by the multitudes of differing Neo responses on the screens (given that the architect can manipulate and show all of Neo's possible expressions/responses, is it possible that Neo really can be manipulated program as well?!!?) and 2) the architect's comment that he's sure Neo will never meet him again (more than a form of foreshadowing ~ I believe it goes to prove that no matter what "choices" Neo decides to act upon, the inevitable outcome of the Matrix series will lie in the programs' control). I can now definitely see this movie becoming at least the number two boxoffice smash of this year... with my fanboy vote for number one $earner going to "The Hulk".. regardless, a decent follow-up to the unimitable original.

  • ...because MATRIX 2: KINGDOM OF ASS-KICKING was a KINGDOM OF ASS-KICKING. And I don't think of myself as just any ol' fanboy who'll adore any freakin' piece of crap as long as it has one of those explosions where glass goes flying everywhere. I like to think that I'm a thoughtful, intelligent FILM ENTHUSIAST who DISCERNS between his flying-glass-explosions. I just got back from "The Matrix: Reloaded" and can honestly say it's the third most exciting movie I've seen in that past year or two (Behind 'Spider-Man' [which put bombs up my rectum and lit them on fire and, though I wanted desperately to see Gwen Stacy and non-helmet-head Goblin, STILL blew my brain out of the top of my head and into a dumpster marked BADASS], and Attack of the Clones, where I got to play with some guy's lightsaber [in a non-sexual, literal way] before seeing a movie with more excited chumps and chumpettes than you could fit into your average nightclub). I was not disappointed in any way...the fights all seemed, to me, like either a godling bringing on the pain for the Devil's Own (Neo vs. Everyone) or a desperate battle between hyper-rebels and the really angry, really identically dressed system that wants to knock them off of semis (you know, everyone else). So Neo didn't pull a Shang Tsung soul-steal on Dracula, Lon Cheney and Captain Voodoo and the Zombie Squad, that would've been A:) Boring OVER AND OVER and B:) Wouldn't quite match the themes of predestination and the utter destruction of said predestination set up there. (Plus, it just seems kinda DUMB to me to be disappointed that vampires and zombies and lions and bears, oh my, weren't in the Matrix...that's like being disappointed that El Mariachi didn't show up at the end of From Dusk 'Til Dawn and save the day, or something.) I loved X2 too, Harry and Harriettes, every "the Great Nightcrawler" and Magneto/Mystique girly giggle in it, but I didn't let the fact that I thought it was badass turn me into an anti-Matrix booster. Debooster. Whatever.

  • May 15, 2003, 5:04 a.m. CST

    When did Tank die?

    by Jon E Cin

    I thought he got zapped but came back to save the day...i dont remember seeing him die? Maybe I am wrong...did he die from injuries inbetween matrix 1 and reloaded? Whats the deal? Someone please answer this for me.. This movie was good, but a lot different from the first...yes the pacing needs work..but overall I think its worth your 10 bucks..and then 20 for the dvd. Just cut that rave scene and a bunch of the Zion stuff because Zion is lame and not worth saving.hehe

  • May 15, 2003, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Harry, check your bung

    by Geek Sodomizer

    cuz I just left a sizeable fluid discharge up in that shit. The Matrix Reloaded KICKED ASS. Easily one of the top 5 science fiction films of ALL TIME. I'd explain it to ya, but everyone else has already done a fine job. It's cool, I can't expect you to have a clear perspective anymore with your mind drunk on cinema overexposure.

  • May 15, 2003, 5:06 a.m. CST

    The choice is now Mine

    by DarkStarEX

    Who cares what I think, but I just got back from the 10:30 show in Santa Clara CA here, and I can tell ya a few things. One of the bigger troubles is that the theater screwed up the trailers and we didn't get to see T3, which might have thrown the crowd off. 20 simultaneous screenings here, and we get the one with the twitchy projectionist. But I digress. Harry might have had a few good points, but I think he's catering to the folks who miss the point. As stated in above posts, the fights were necessary to drive parts of the story and define characters (In The Burly Brawl, Neo is an astounding fighter but is not perfect as he is thrown around and smashed several times). True, it was a little CG-ey near the end of that fight, but it was still badass. One of the bigger cheers came at the end of the highway scene when Link throws up his hands and goes "Yes!" He was speaking for all the folks in our theater that yes, that makes Nightcrawler's X2 infiltration look like a bampf in the park. But the real shine of this film was truly the story. Neo's conversation with the Architect just shattered my brain. I've managed to understand most of it, and finding out the Oracle was a conniving bitch knocked me off my seat. The Architect said something to the effect of "Your world is difficult to understand for such a perfection-oriented being such as myself." That is the Architect's flaw, mathematically perfect as he may be. He assumed that Neo, believing himself to be the Messiah, would save the humans just to fulfill the prophecy that he was destined for. But choosing to save Trinity (another badass scene, I might add), he defied the perfect logic of the Matrix, and trusted in his human emotion, which is chaotic. Now I don't claim to know what's going to happen. Hell, I'm gonna have to watch the flick again to grasp the whole thing (and play through Enter the Matrix to boot), but the Wachowskis left ME with a whole universe of possibilities. It is now MY choice to decide what I believe will happen. I have not been to a movie that made me actually think since 1999, and I thank the brothers for it. To me, Harry, Reloaded was not just a movie. It was a reason to THINK.

  • May 15, 2003, 5:09 a.m. CST

    Hell I popped a Xanax before the movie started and ENJOYED THE H

    by MentallyMariah

    My crowd was the ten oclock crowd, they were boucing those funcking balls everywhere and I was in the front row, I turned around and there were like five fucking beach balls bouncing, everyone HOOTING and HOLLERING, laptops aglow, I had to grab my Xanax, It was too much for me to handle...JASON VS FREDDY got mega applause...THE LAST SAMARAUI someone yelled "THE LAST SAMARAUI CAN'T BE WHITE" and everyone laughed, BOOED at BAD BOYS 2 trailer, T-3 got a lukewarm response although everyone was attentive and THE ITALIAN JOB someone yelled "Enough of this fucking trailer" everyone clapped! WELL I dunno what sedatives your crowd was on HARRY but my crowd went NUTS---Everyone seemed to love the movie, 65 percent stayed behind and for the Revolutions Trailer and clapped afterwards...I know that I enjoyed the heck out of the movie, although I agree the Rave scene could have been better, but who cares, 100 percent Entertaining and did not dissapoint! Although I must say, as Fierce and GORGEOUS as Monica Belluci was, I cannot look at her the same after seeing her destroyed in Irreversible! She rocks! I loved the first Neo Flying scene with the dark clouds twisting around and the techno beats! Fucking 2 cool! This movie is gonna make shit loads of money, you'll see!!!!

  • May 15, 2003, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Did anyone notice....

    by raze

    Did anyone see "Data" from the Goonies, i mean the Keymaster, oh wait wheres the Gatekeeper, and Bill Murray and the rest of the Ghostbusters.... who you gonna call !! Too many things to to complain about this movie....

  • May 15, 2003, 5:19 a.m. CST

    It felt very PG-13. (mild spoilers ahead, booya)

    by Secret Pants

    Certainly, you would expect more of an 'R' rated film. Where was the realistic violence? Where was the heightened sense of danger? Where was the vulgarity? Simply put, I was disappointed. I agree with Harry on one major point. The phone call at the end of the first film led me to believe that Neo was going to reveal the matrix to the humans currently 'hooked up' to the matrix, instead of just chillin' til the oracle gave him a ring. I also thought it was crappy when the screens on the wall with the architect showed scenes from the matrix and not other keanu scenes made specific for the architect scene. There were just shots of Neo as a kid playing and then clips from the original Matrix. There was much of the movie that was groovy. I was also sick of seeing Neo saving everybody by scooping them up at the last minute via flying. And don't get me fucking started on that Trinity heart bullshit after Neo saves her. Anyways, to be balanced here are the top ten cool parts of Reloaded... 10. The mace impaled in the face of one of Merovingian's 'henchmen' 9. The cool urinals in the bathroom during the Persephone scene 8. Morpheus shaking his head "no" to people attempting to enter the elevator before the restaurant sequence 7. Merovingian's French swearing 6. The camera going under the semis following Trinity on the crotchrocket 5. Morpheus standing on the kitana blade embedded in the moving semi trailer 4. Neo's images saying "Bullshit!" in the architect scene 3. The funky white Kubrickesque Zion traffic control room 2. Neo's flight to save Trinity (especially the cars trapped in his wake and the L-turn out of the burning building) 1. The Orgasmic Dessert With all these cool parts and a premise that shatters the likes of most summer phenoms, what the hell went wrong? The first on was so sweet. (though flawed) My personal advice if you have not seen Reloaded is to watch a really bad Keanu movie prior so that Reloaded will seem cool in comparison. (suggestions = Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey or Chain Reaction) WB and the Wackhkhootoksoskki brothers have successfully sold a ticket for Matrix Revolutions. I'd like to see if they can fix the shit they've pulled on Reloaded.

  • May 15, 2003, 5:22 a.m. CST

    reloaded: da real review

    by Repus Retitter

    This is it folks...the most honest, in depth and REAL review of this film you'll ever read. I'm not gonna over-analyze and it being 5am or so...forgive spelling and grammer mistakes. Here yas goes! I'm not that big a fan of the Matrix. I love it for what it was, and how it looked...but saw too much of its parts for what they was...the sum for fortunately greater than these parts...but parts they was. The WACHOS (can't spell) are gifted writers and spelltakers...but more often than not they're great pilferers...bordering on idea theft. The first movie saw itself an amalgamation of the anime, raprock and meta-psychology they grew up and around... and was in itself a nice piece of fiction...almost science fiction, yet not quite. It drew from western psych...but almost at a collegiate level. Its intentions were GOOD.. and puttin some kick=butt wire-fu was a nice touch that drove in the masses. Had a SLIGHT problem with the fights in Matrix 1...but forgave them cuz of ingenuity. Above all else, though...Matrix was a gimmick movie...an excuse for cool bullet time. Harry was right about the limitations of technology helping the filmguys to carefully craft nice scenes that showed off what there was... that static backgrounds were perfect springboards for some groovy punches and kicks. real martial arts it AIN'T...but it is fun...anime style (for what that's worth...). Now onto Reloaded...which I hate to say, and true fans be damed, is not a great movie...or even a good movie. It's at best, a BAD movie with great and good parts. The problem herein lies with story stucture. The first one created such great archetypes with Morpheus, Neo, Trinity, blah blah bitchy bitchy... that personalities be damed...and who cares? The second attempts to give them that personality, and betrays the innocence of the first. These are characters that do NOT need development, but exist to exist. This is evident in the failure to accurately make them seem real, to let them love, die, etc. They are overtly convoluted...and their development is pedantic. Next the fights...not the biggest fan of Wire-Fu...but it can be fun. However, not a fan at ALL of SLOWED DOWN wire-fu. The slow down was excessive, and again betrayed whatever coolness was shown in part one. The fights are this time static, NOT the backgrounds, which as Harry said flowed and misled the eye. They have no life, and carry no emotion. One thinks of Jackie Chan movies...and longs for them. They have no heart, soul, or reason: in the first they had purpose, in the second they have none. I can't wait to get the SPECIAL SUPER DUPER EDITION (FAST MODE) that speeds these things up to make them watchable. SECOND about fights...the Burly Brawl...ultimately disappoints. Am I on the ONLY one to recognize that Mr. Joel Silver, while shamelessly destroying whatever cool factor Jet Li once had, gave us GLIMPSES of this fight in the other mediocre movies he produced? Anyone remember the ONE? There we saw Matrix-Lite effects...even the face mapping that was so overdone here. I've seen this before...maybe not as much, but seen it before. Note to Mr. Silver: DON'T test your effects in movies you don't want people to see! Not only that, but the actual CGI quality was terrible. Where is the viscerel thrill of seeing actual HUMANS fight? If I wanted to see bad lookin cartoons fight, I'd watch DRAGON BALL Z...which is what these guys definately did. Dudes...you know jack about Martial Arts...the coolness comes from reality. Stop watching ANIME and get real...the beauty of the fights is lost compltely on Matrix 2. And in case I didn't make my point...yes, the CGI characters on Burly Brawl were AWFUL...no emotion was conveyed. Hell, Metroid PRIME on friggin GAMECUBE conveyed more emotion (much respect to that materpiece). Scenes that didn't work. TOO much exposition. First movie created a neat niche for itself, and part two betrays it. It takes itself seriously, and lacks the elements of surprise that great fiction have. The end of The Truman Show...and the first Matrix. Keeps you GUESSING, and that's the real spark of intelligence...to let the reader think, not to TELL you what to think. Matrix Reloaded is hardly an intelligently written movie. It's not...its logic baffles, and its techno-dribble, while cool to the layperson, fails to impress. AT LEAST they didn't pull a Freddy Krueger and have Agents comin outta the matrix in the real world (or will they...?). Who knows...too much exposition, bogs down things. Those looking for metaphors will find them... of course there are those that think the Matrix itself is great philosophy. I suppose if you've grown up on such pseudo=babble and anime-storydriven RPG nonsense, then this shit is brilliant. But again...the real spark of being motivationally intelligent is allowing the viewer to come to their own conclusions...NOT create cool hindsight explanations to your own damn story (yes...that's the written dialogue in M2... they explain the actions of the first...brilliant). All in all, very disappointing. Not in visuals (well, some), but in attempting to be something its not...mainly, Star Wars. This is a series that assimilates like the friggin cool ass Borg its influences, and regurgitates them. I saw many elements of even the Phantom Menance (the twins...underused and overtly cool looking...but useless...just like Darth Maul). This is NOt epic, and didn't need to be. This is dated fiction. The first by itself was great...adding seconds cheapens the dinner. It'll make billions, and that doesn't bother me...cuz it keeps people into movies. But the real blockbuster so far this summer has been X2. Not because its the better movie (it is) but because it did what it set out to do... brilliantly. If you agree, cool...just think about what you saw, and not what you think you saw. Reloaded was poor...laters, - repus

  • and it's kinda like PHANTOM MENACE; You want it to be good, and you root for it, and there are GOOD parts, but it just falls flat. Neo was CGI WAAAY too much. I felt like I was watching a video game. I NEVER want to see Zion again. Was Jada Pinket-Smith even IN the movie? All that hype and I though she was one of the STARS! Face it; this movie in not that good, but life goes on....If the "new" Star-Wars can suck, ANYTHING can. I almost don't even WANT to see INDY 4....almost....

  • May 15, 2003, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Harry, exactly what movie did you wanna see?

    by bobertkay99

    Holy shit boy, I can't believe you completely missed the point of this movie. If you want mindless action, please go take up another showing of Blade 2 or Bullet Proof Monk. But if you want a movie that challenges your ideas and perceptions of what choice, faith, and fate really are, then go see Matrix Revolutions. I almost believed all of the bad things that were being said about this movie, until the Architect showed up. Taking everything we thought we understood about the Matrix and turning it on its ear. People dont like having their fantasy of a super hero being turned into an unknowing device of the enemy, but that simple twist has rejuvenated my hope and faith in the Wachowski's storytelling abilities. You cannot imagine the delight that filled me as the Architect revealed the truth, not once attempting to dumb down any of the material. The Wachowski brothers respected the intelligence of the audience enough not to talk down to them. The Architect spoke with words that I can believe a program would use, and at a speed that required deep listening skills and post high shcool comprehension. Oh yeah, that reminds me Harry, what college did you go to again? P.S. If there's any errors in this reply, it is due to the fact that I am typing this from a second rate piece of shit laptop. Forgiv-a-ness please.

  • May 15, 2003, 5:25 a.m. CST

    first post from someone in ingland?

    by jimdin2001

    just soes as i know, cos its a long time weve still got to wait, which is more cringeworthy; neo and trinity 'getting it on' or the courtship/ dream sequence wotnot from ep2?????

  • May 15, 2003, 5:26 a.m. CST

    FREDDY vs JASON

    by Repus Retitter

    Hey guys and gals just posted a review on RELOADED. Was utterly disappointed for personal reasons...but enough of that. What the HELL is up with Freddy vs Jason? Did anyone even REMOTELY expect that trailer to be as KICK ass as it looked? JESUS baDEEZUZ! I've waited for this thing FOREVER and even knew in my heart it was gonna be terrible...could I be wrong? That trailer rocked! Did Ronnie nail it...? Positive buzz is oozing and the trailer got the crowds going. POINT PEOPLE: did that shot of Freddy jumpin outta the lake not earn TRAILER COOLNESS award? Jesus...I'm SO there...!! - repus p.s. "Why won't you DIE?" Fuckin awesome!

  • May 15, 2003, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Saw it. Disappointed.

    by ZeroC

    Sometimes Harry's right and sometimes he's wrong. This time he's right. I just felt the original was so much better in practically every way. The philosophical ramblings were third-rate and cliched. The action scenes, while more intricate and grander than the first, lacked any of the tension and suspense of the first, and thus seemed mundane and choreographed. The rave scene sucked. The cake/orgasm thing just came out of nowhere and meant nothing, and wasn't the "I'll never let go" line right before Trinity's pseudo-death ripped straight from Titanic? The ripple effect from the two trucks colliding was a crappier version of the building explosion from the first one. The fight with Seraph was unnecessary and boring. The film wasn't terrible, and it wasn't great. Just the definition of mediocre.

  • May 15, 2003, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Matrix Reloaded is a Porno equivalent

    by Coercix

    Think about how forced everything is. "Oh, you wanna see the Oracle eh? You gotta do something for me first.. bow wow wicha wicha" Just one forced moment after another to get to the sweet spots of the movie.

  • May 15, 2003, 5:41 a.m. CST

    Blown Away.

    by Clockwork Taxi

    Great film. Tops the first. You naysayers are full of it.

  • May 15, 2003, 5:42 a.m. CST

    But you still haven't explained...

    by Hovitos2k

    Why "Stomp" was playing in the Zion Rave. Why Neo can stop over a hundred bullets, bullets that move faster than any agent mind you, with just a lift of his hand and he can't use one of those force fields to stop approaching baddies. Why Neo has apparent telekinisis (remember when he pulled the sais of the walls with his mind) yet he nevers uses it to fight off thugs. AND For those of you guys that say the action had to happen to move the plot or whatever, like he was making time for Trinity and Morpheous to get whatever, well wouldn't it make more sense for Neo to just kill everybody that's chasing them fast, so that they wouldn't need to rush? And what about Neo flying, surely that's a weapon that could be taken advantage of. If he could fly, then he could hover, or possible punch from great altitudes, or grab a guy and drop him. I think that's the point Harry was trying to make. When you set the stage with all these possibilities, and then just serve up the same old wire fu, mixed in with crappy human CG, and then DRAG it out for too long, it's just boring to the viewer. I mean, c'mon, we all loved it when Indianna Jones punched the hell out of Nazi's and thugs but we ALL remember the scene where he faced with the swordsman and he just caps him because he doesn't have the time to deal with him. That's classic. If I wanted to see more Karate, I'd rent a Jet Li movie. As for the plot points, sure they were cool. But why did we have to sit through all the boring stuff to get to it? You still haven't explained that...

  • May 15, 2003, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Just a bit disappointed

    by Wolo

    Just got back from the 10pm showing, and I hate to say I was more than a bit disappointed. The dialogue was completely overwritten, where most characters seemed to be charicatures of themselves (way over-the-top). When Neo's lines seem to be the best written, there's a problem. The score was, more often then not, a joke and (for me) completely ruined the Smith Brawl. I had read and seen interviews where Joel Silver touts that they've raised the bar so high, there is no bar, and that they've developed effects that you will never see again because they are so complex and difficult. Maybe I'm too used to seeing some great effects, because I missed the part he was talking about. I watched the first movie right before going to the theater tonight. There were parts of Reloaded I really enjoyed, and I think (somewhere in there) they had a good movie. But the bottom line for me was that I was completely underwhelmed, and I feel that the original was far superior. Just my two cents...

  • May 15, 2003, 6:09 a.m. CST

    And what about the soundtrack Harry? WHAT ABOUT THAT G*DDAMN SOU

    by chuckrussel

    'nuff said!

  • May 15, 2003, 6:20 a.m. CST

    The rave scene

    by mojoflow

    Remember in the first movie how Cypher wanted to get plugged back into the Matrix so badly? Or how some people couldn't deal with being out of the Matrix because things were so good there and the real world sucks in comparison? This idea was reinforced with that Animatrix short that took place in Feudal Japan (The name of it escapes me). Well what if the "real world," aka Zion, was as wonderful? What if, lets say, it was a BIG-ASS RAVE, with flesh and body-parts flying around. What if Zion could be BETTER than the Matrix by the sheer virtue that its inhabitants believed it was the "real world?" Under those circumstances, what if you suddenly found out Zion wasn't real? That all this flesh and pleasure and sex weren't real? What if it was all apart of the Matrix still? Or ANOTHER LEVEL of the Matrix? Could you believe it? WOULD you believe it? Maybe you'd want to keep believeing in Zion (Link: "It's good to be home."). Just like how people like Cypher wanted to keep "believing" in the Matrix. That's how I saw the rave scene. "Boy the world around us is crumbling but I'm gonna live in my own little bubble world and ignore what's REALLY GOING ON." Coincidence? I think not.

  • May 15, 2003, 6:32 a.m. CST

    The Matrix Reloaded could potentially be the first film to promo

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    Note to the Wachowskis: More fighty. Less talky. I LOVED the first film. It truly set itself apart from normal sci-fi / fantasy / action movies. It really had something to it. It touched on philosophies and questions most films don't dare (or even bother) to examine. It was fresh, original, new. Reloaded was... long. Overbearing. Self-indulgent. I got the feeling that Warners and Village Roadshow had more control on the first film, and made more decisions on what fat needed trimming, but this time, they just rolled over for the Wachowskis and Joel Silver and just kept signing checks for them. (I can hear it now... "Hey, man... I made 'The Matrix'. Back off and let me work.") Don't get me wrong, the exciting parts SMOKED. The $19.50 I paid for me & my girlfriend to see the film was paid back in the action scenes. But the rest of it. . . s s s s s s s s l l l l l l l l l o o o o o o o o o o o w w w w w w w w w. I'll still see Revolution very willingly (ironically, despite the Architect's jaded opinion of the concept of hope, I think it's the strongest thing the third movie will have going for it... our hope of it being as exciting as the first film and a payback for the second. In fact... is it too late to change the title of the 3rd installment to "The Matrix: Restitution"?) Hell, I'll even see Reloaded again in the hope that the points covered in the characters endless verbosity make just a little more sense. But my initial reaction upon first viewing, as a fan of the first film with much faith in the series: blah. Blah, Blah BLAH.

  • the people i saw punch drunk love with hated it. It was one of my favorite movies of last year. that really should have nothing to do with your opinion of a movie.

  • May 15, 2003, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Keep taking the red pill...

    by EDSTRAKER1

    I saw this with a packed house tonight in Edwardsville, IL. The die hard fans were out and so was everybody else. I haven't been able to sleep since--I'm like Counselor Haman (spelling?--Anthony Zerbe) right now. This is a film that in my opinion is encoded and by that I mean every single second of celluloid you see has meaning in it. I don't know if anyone's said this yet, but the Wachowskis have gone into 2001 territory. And we as filmgoers may all the better be for it. This film is brilliant. It takes everything you ever thought about The Matrix and shifts it into multiple directions that leaves your mind truly envigorated. This movie is beyond belief. It is fluidic and organic. It has a wonderful synchronicity to it that I could have never have seen coming. I never got to experience 2001 when it first came out in theatres almost forty years ago. I've had to settle for watching it on TV or on tape or DVD. Hell, I wasn't even born then. Reloaded has left me with an experience that I can only describe as revelatory. It's an apocalyse. Everyone in that crowd tonight exploded with appreciation throughtout. And they went out of their minds with the clip from Revolutions. For Harry, that's his opinion. Just like a friend of mine who saw it with me tonight. He was also underwhelmed. But I think that is also important because it ultimately gives you greater appreciation for the film. We cannot all love the same film just like we cannot all love the same books, poetry, paintings, music,...We are after all individual human beings, not machines...

  • May 15, 2003, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Tank Isn't in the movie because....

    by SlayerVixen

    The actor who played tank had a disagreement with the producers after he was found trying to break into their offices...so tank was left out for obvious reasons!

  • May 15, 2003, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Christ, Harry.

    by the Dub

    Man, You'd think that either Tank was played by Merril Streep or that Harry is blowing the guy. I Haven't seen the new movie yet but I doubt that someone with a total of 6 minutes of screen time will seriously affect my movie experience if he is not there punching the little buttons on the keyboard. What about mouse? Damn that little guy, I miss him so much, it hurts when I pee. Fuck. Please. I don't know why I keep suggesting myself to reading Harry's reviews.

  • May 15, 2003, 7:48 a.m. CST

    I miss TANK, too.

    by FrankCobretti

    That James Garner is really something.

  • Harry, I used to respect you are the last bastion of hope in an ocean of people who know nothing about film, yet are paid to criticize it. Now, I have lost all faith in you as well. I am not going to sit around and take pop shots at your aditional comments after seeing this movie the 2nd time. That's because I came to realize something. You don't know what story telling is, and you certinly don't understand film. Your points do not shed light on the important aspect of film making. All you concentrate on is superficial and touching on the surface of the movie it self. You completely missed the point of this movie. Stick with what you know best, getting insider info and news on movies that will be appreciated in the world of movie geekdom. Let the moron reviewers continue to propagate the saying "If a movie reviewer knew what a good movie was, and what it took to make, they would be out there making one, not in their office bashing then."

  • HOLY CHUNKS BLOWN OVER MY POPCORN!!!! It wasn't the fighting , the Highway Chase (though tits it was indeed), 100 Elronds that blew me away...But the Architect, The RED piece of candy, the Matrix 6.0 , the mind fuck that the WACHK Bros put on the audience in the end is the whole point of Reloaded and in my opinion SMART AS HELL to throw a curveball like this into to the ever EVOLVING Matrix storyline!!! Gonna go see again right now just cause I don't have to work tommorrow!!! Way to go Wachk Bros, just like the first one, you guys have everybody talking about your film...

  • May 15, 2003, 8 a.m. CST

    I was there with Harry and.....

    by SuprContra72

    Here's my take. Alamo Drafthouse was not so ideal of a place to be that night for several reasons. I understand about all Austin's geekdom elite showing up. Jeezus, if we peddled the silicon items there, it would have been Best Buy. I agree with Harry's take of the crowd, but hear me out about mine. The crowd was geeked and tired. We had waited out side in the heat and mugginess of Austin May weather. And everyone was fairly stunned taking in the sights of the movie. The frustration of having one's ass crammed in a seat for about 5 hours after waiting in line for 2 additional hours before the event can be a tad energy dragging as well. OH BTW. Quick shout to the freaking Alamo Drafthouse Monkey, plz have a decent energy source. During the showing of Matrix I, the damn film kept cutting off. The line was dropped, thanks!

  • Heh, "Tomax" and "Xamot".

  • May 15, 2003, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Head in the hills

    by McKormick

    There was nothing in the movie that shouldn't have amazed you. The twist in the story with the architect, the revelation of the oracles identity, the strange happening at the end with the sentinals, the phenominal car chase, the heart pounding rave scene, and the fighting. I don't know what more you could want from the fighting. People have two hands and two feet, there is a natural limit to what a body can do and I think the movie achieved close to that limit. As far as bone crunching and teeth breaking, well, it would have been nice to see a little more blood during the Neo vs. Smiths scene, but come on, comparing this movie to the x-files movie is strange and bizarre.

  • May 15, 2003, 8:54 a.m. CST

    in good movies people don't burst out laughing at the climax

    by outtosea

    Wow. Rebloated. No one cheered. No one clapped. But most of theatre laughed at the

  • May 15, 2003, 8:55 a.m. CST

    in good movies people don't burst out laughing at the climax

    by outtosea

    Wow. Rebloated. No one cheered. No one clapped. But most of theatre laughed at the

  • May 15, 2003, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Go milk your own breasts, Harry

    by Boris the Blade

    Ok, we know you didn't like it. Continuing to justify why you didn't like it isn't going to make me like it any less. I saw it last night, I liked it. Was it as captivating as the first, obviously no. Did it move the story forward, develop the characters, and get me excited for Revolutions? Yes. So, Harry, it's time to refill your mouth with Twix bars and shut your piehole about this flick. End transmission....

  • May 15, 2003, 9:27 a.m. CST

    I haven't heard any complaints on the ending "cliffhanger" yet.

    by Elwood Blues

    I'm with the seriously disappointed camp on this one. I won't bother to reiterate what everyone else has already said, nor argue against those saying I just don't get it. Why bother, it's pointless. But no one has mentioned disappointment with the cliffhanger yet, and for me that was the biggest let down of all. It left a sour taste in my mouth that when I look back on the film, I like it less then I would have if it had ended thirty seconds earlier. (SPOILER AHEAD) After hearing from the Wachiowski brothers about how this cliffhanger is going to be so insane you won

  • I understand Harry! I was shocked as well, when I became groggy after 12 straight hours of playing Enter The Matrix (which definitely IS "tits") on my PC. In fact, I was also incredibly surprised that I had to take a wizz after downing two six packs of Heinis and a half gallon of Poweraid (in keeping with the commercial spirit) first thing this morning. Imagine my surprise, Harry, when the sun came up this morning and I discovered that people are still dying in this world and I still have to pay taxes! Anyway, when all is said and done, I've come to the same conclusion as you, Harry; The Matrix Reloaded must suck because a gathering of exhausted and drunken geeks in some podonk town just North of the border didn't sit through 10 minutes of credits to watch a thirty second teaser.

  • May 15, 2003, 9:39 a.m. CST

    am i allowed to like it?

    by smutpeddlar

    one attemted bash of this GREAT movie was'nt enough? thats cool. Leave us alone, so what you did'nt like it, you can put a 10,000 word dissertation on here for reasons you did'nt like, get it through your head NO ONE CARES! TO EACH HIS OWN! loved the movie, can't wait to see it again. I love your site and i will read bash number 3 as well..and 4 ..etc. but really who cares what you think?

  • May 15, 2003, 9:41 a.m. CST

    It was ok.. QUESTIONS NO ONE CAN ANSWER however..

    by Sith42

    I'll start off by first saying that I thought the first movie was ok and got better with repeated viewings. This second installment, however, suffers in a couple of ways. One, Joel Silver setting expectations TOO high. Two, Phantom Menace Syndrome. Three, over-reliance on other media tie-ins (Video Game, Animatrix, etc) much like Blair Witch Project. Overall, it was competent, but it felt too polished, it needed the gritty, desperate nature of the first film IMO. I think overall, it will look better once the 3rd film is out. The problem is, it isn't self contained like Empire Strikes Back or any other number of sequels. It presumes you know the backstory and moves forward. When you've had a 4 year gap between films, you need to re-introduce things a bit. Finally.. I hope someone can answer the following questions: 1) Since it's been shown Agents can dodge bullets, why don't they dodge punches which are MUCH slower? 2) Did the Agents take lessons in target practice from the A-Team? For seemingly accurate computers, they sure can't hit anything. 3) Why not shoot out the tires on the highway scene sooner? A computer should have considered that first. A blowout at 65 mph should be more dangerous.. 4) Neo can fly, stop bullets, etc. Yet he persists in re-enacting a kung-fu movie. Bad logic. He can block Sentinels, yet he doesn't block the Agents in a hallway, so they all can live. He chooses to save the Morpheus instead of the Keymaster? 5) Agents can dodge small objects like bullets, but not large objects like, oh say, another Agent? And really, the rave/sex scene, gratuitous language, and orgasm scene seemed forced into the movie by the studio to make it "sexier". Another problem.. Some don't believe Morpheus, yet when he speaks to them all, they all cheer. What does he tell them? You're all going to die in a few hours. Let's make some noise so the machines can find us quicker! Again, I liked the two films, but there are some SERIOUS logic problems. I'm confident, however, all will be clear once the third film is out. -T

  • May 15, 2003, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Ewok Dance

    by Steviebee

    The movie was bad. Speed 2 bad, Batman and Robin bad. There were 2 quality scenes - the Agent Smiths attacking Neo and the twins and that was it. What was with that 10 minute Solid Gold moment in Zion - just awful. My audience laughed at the climax and booed at the end, and I don't blame them.

  • May 15, 2003, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Right On

    by whitemat

    Sometimes I disagree with Harry's reviews but this time he is right fuckin on. Everything that he said is wrong with the movie IS WRONG WITH THE MOVIE. I miss Tank too, Link sucked.. Beautiful article Harry

  • May 15, 2003, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Harry's a friend...

    by Nordling

    but he's wrong this time. And guess what... that's OKAY. Thoroughly kickass time at the movies. Seeing it again Friday. (It's called constructive criticism, and I'll take it for $500, Alex.)

  • May 15, 2003, 10:09 a.m. CST

    You guys are tasking this film WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. Sure I laughed

    by CMichael

    And I think Smith pokes fun at the film in one of his last scenes. For sure the slow mo on the CGI NEO in the Hurly Burly was a bad "choice" (har har) but that was easily forgotten. It's a movie -it's not aliens landing on the whitehouse lawn. Enjoy it for what it is. I did. I think it'll be a camp classic in the future and frankly that ain't all bad.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:18 a.m. CST

    THATS RIGHT MAGNUS, reviewers are anal for a reason,

    by Rcamacho2278

    they have become so self absorbed with their own ideas of what a movie should have that they stop enjoying movies, and just look for plot holes and how cgi looks or whatever. its pretty sad. that goes for everyone else whos bringing up the same crappy arguments and compares the matrix 2 to the matrix. are you idiots complaining that the first matrix movie had a weak love story? had a slow pace to it too? had very little character development in itself??? bottom line is if you cant like these movies, then you shouldnt be watchin these movies, get a new fucken hobby.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:27 a.m. CST

    reloaded was lame because...

    by dmezei

    if anyone read the original script for The Matrix, there's the scene where Neo goes to the Oracle for the first time, and just before Neo and Morpheus enter, the original script has this long, philosophical discussion between them. It was chopped because it was BORING. Instead, the scene played out where Morpheus says 'the choice is yours' then the door opens. Well, now that the Brothers have artistic freedom, they've included all those BORING discussions. In fact, the entire moving is one long boring philosophical discussion. I'm not surprised. I call this George Lucas Syndrome, where those who crave artistic freedom are doomed to create shite after obtaining it. It's almost inevitable. Name me one great flick that wasn't created under great stress between the studio and the director. Like one great producer (Wasserman?) said, 'artists work best under pressure, baby'. Where were the studio notes on this flick? Money = vacuum. Welcome to the real world...

  • May 15, 2003, 10:28 a.m. CST

    I GUESS

    by ZO

    HARRY DIDN'T GET ANYTHING FREE FROM THE MATRIX OR HIS REVIEW WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT

  • May 15, 2003, 10:30 a.m. CST

    matrix reloaded ruled!!

    by jedibravo

    I feel sorry for you Harry. Because you had to view this kick ass adrenaline enriched, edge of your seat, worthy sequel with a theater full of lamos. I hail from South Florida, and maybe it's the spicy hispanic food down here, but everybody in the theater at last night's sneak preview, laughed , applauded and cheered with the Matrix Reloaded. The whole theater stayed and watched the trailer at the end, and applauded and cheered at that too. This movie kicked ass. On many levels. For me, the rush of seeing heroism unfold in such dynamic ways, with in the knick of time saves, jaw dropping action, and the revelations, oh the revelations...of what we've always thought, and what is to come.... I'll tell ya, you have the right to your opinion, but you got it wrong on this one. I'm 28 years old,and what's beautiful about a movie like Reloaded is that you can become a kid again, and root for Neo as he rockets through the air, faster than the machines or he himself thought possible. The twins, were creepy and sleek, and (Spoilers) I loved how all the renegade programs live in the lap of luxury because they can, and many of them are actually ghosts, werewolves, vampires, etc. One could only be killed by a "silver" bullet. Cool stuff. It's all the little details and cool Matrix universe stuff that propelled this movie to the next level. No it is not the first movie. And thank God. We've all seen it on our DVD's and VHS's and cable hundreds of times over. Last night, I did not want to see it one more time. I wanted to see something fresh new and exciting. And guess what, I will enjoy it the second, and third, and fourth time I see it.(Seeing as how I still have to completely comprehend word for word what the Architect said to Neo. I got the jist of it, but I want to fully understand, so that I can delve into the movie with my imagination and anticipate what might be revealed in the final installment. In closing, in Morpheus' own words, "you must see it for yourself". Neo is Superman, and as he zoomed down to save the day, I cheered, and damn near wet my pants. Cheers.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Another comment, though I realize it's futile

    by Elwood Blues

    I just don't understand talkbacker comments saying those of us who didn't care for it a whole lot shouldn't watch movies anymore. "Get a new fuckin hobby" as the latest so eloquently put it. Am I to understand by your logic that as soon as a see a film that I don't like, it means I have no business seeing a movie again? Yes, I know the last comment was specifically saying we shouldn't watch Matrix movies anymore - in itself stupid logic - but others in here have blatantly said any movie. Am I supposed to like every movie I see because I enjoy cinema, and not liking a movie means I should conclude I am no longer fit to watch films? Come on, get over it. I didn't like the movie. Many were disappointed. Many are saying they loved the film. Great. But I guess if I didn't like the movie, I shouldn't comment, just like if I were against the reason we went to war in Iraq, I shouldn't say so. I forgot free speech that doesn't fit with your views is becoming something frowned upon in America. ...................... On one other note, though, I have a feeling Matrix Reloaded may fall into the Phantom Menace syndrome. That perhaps, many people want to like it so much, to let it live up to the hype, that they think they love it, and down the road see it in a different light. I know I fell into that trap back in 1999 with TPM, and I don't want to fall into it again. I'll still have to see Reloaded again and see how it sits with me then, though, before I solidify my views on the film.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:41 a.m. CST

    To quote Jay Sherman "It Stinks"

    by Wheel99

    Did anyone else feel like they were in math class when the architect was describing how the matrix really worked? For an action movie there was way too much talking. Was this a kung fu flick or was it beaches? Also way to give every interesting visual effect in the previews.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Some observations(SPOILER HEAVY)

    by Sparroe

    I was really quite impressed by the Matrix. It was like Frank Herbert and William Gibson had worked together. Seriously, we're all geeks, don't think of Zion as a Rave, think of it as a Sietch Orgy. 'Cause that's really what it is. And the architect, how much did that scene remind you of God Emporer in reverse. Instead of Duncan asking "how many" Leto just tells him. Very similar. Okay, style stuff. The fights were kind of bland but they acted more as seques than as the movie itself. I like that Reloaded relies on the dialog to carry story weight. Matrix depended on its action and sfx but Reloaded steps out of that and gives the Matrix a chance to stretch into a "mythic cycle." Yet it never loses the computer basis. I really liked the Merovingian because he is the first AI we meet. Shades of wintermute anyone? I say he's an AI because unlike every other program he never addresses his limitations, he adresses humanity's. The Oracle, the Keymaster, the Agents, and the Architect are all still bound by programing somebody else wrote. You get the feeling that the Merovingian wrote large parts of what he is in the movie. Look at the archetypes that are drawn so well for the program characters, Campbell anyone? Smith, does no one else appreciate what a danger Smith is. If you're looking for horror in Reloaded look at Bane, Smith overwrote his personality. Outside the matrix, there is a Smith. That is creepy on so many levels. And what is Smith? Why is he the most dangerous out there? He is obviously not an AI because he still is so focused on "what am I supposed to be doing." He lacks purpose outside being an agent, and hasn't written himself any. But he is something more dangerous. What is the easiest most sure-fire way to crash a computer? That's right, an infinite loop. Smith has to be a loop and his existence threatens the matrix more than anything else. And look at poor Bane again, think of it this way, if our Zionite heroes unplug humanity, theoretically, Smith could have overwritten every single one of them. Brrr... Welp, I hope somebody read this and liked what it said. Harry, I only truly object to one thing you said, that being I REALLY dug the music.

  • May 15, 2003, 11:01 a.m. CST

    This Movie Sucked

    by Barron34

    It was bad. I liked the original Matrix, but must admit that I found it annoying when young fanboys continually blathered on about it like their first lay. The first Matrix was a clever combo of cyber-punk (read Gibson, Sterling, Stepenson for the real deal), Hong Kong Kung Fu movies, anime, comics, and goth-toned movies like The Crow and dark City (Alex Proyas is great). The movie was good, but it was not the be-all and end-all that some made it to be, in my opinion. Now, the second movie. My God, it was terrible. The sad thing is, it had good parts that would have been quite extraordianry had they been in a passable film. The bad news is that the movie isn't passable. The first 30 to 40 minutes is nothing but exposition! For over half an hour, we get no real action, just endless scene after scene of characters talking, talking, talking. This is not My Dinner With Fucking Andre, it is supposed to be a science-fiction action movie. I could tolerate the pseudo-philosophy of the first movie because it was mercifully brief and was wedged in between one cool action sequence after another. In fact, the pseudo-philosophy of the first one made the movie quaint and interesting. Here, in this terrible sequel, it is endless scene after scene of psychobabble drivel. First rule of storytelling: show, don't tell. They could have cut the whole first hour of the movie. By the time the action kicked in 40 minutes into the movie, I did not care, and neither did anyone else in the theatre. The movie was a flatline at that point, and no number of overproduced action sequences were going to revive it. The movie was like a giant sandwich that was almost all bread, and stale bread to boot. By the time you get to the meat, you don't care: the dining experience has been ruined, and you have lost your appetite. It is a shame, too, because there was SOME meat there, some glint of hope after the thirty minute snoozefest that was the first act of this movie. I liked the romance between Neo and Trinity. The world needs Neo, but Neo needs Trinity, therefore she is the linchpin for this savior figure, and thus the world. The world therefore depends on love, in a very real way. Good angle. I liked the visuals and the action sequences in the middle and in the thrid act, when they finally got to them. But, unfortunate3ly, uit was too little, too late. At that point I really did not care who won and who lost. There was no tension. I was not sure who was fighting for what. Indeed, it was not clear who was on what side, or what the sides actually were. Moreover, at that point it was such a muddle, I did not care. Smith was no longer allied with the machines because he had been ripped free of the Matrix by Neo in the last movie. Cool idea. But if he is not with the machines, then what is his purpose. Why mess with Neo at all? What is his goal? It was unclear. There were many issues like this. I think that this movie could have been saved if the first half hour were cut. If Zion was threatened, then SHOW it being threatened; do bnot have some guy say "Zion is threatened" and talk about it endlessly for half an hour. We do not beleive it unless we see it. Cut the first act out almost entirely. It is all talk, no action, and muddied incomprehensible, pointless talk at that. An action movie should grab you froom the beginning and make you hold on for dear life. This movie did no such thing; it put me into a coma with 40 minutes of nothing. By the time the action showed up, I found I did not beleive in the movie or care about the movie. The storytellers never had me; or rather, they had me with the first movie, and lost me with the second. It is too bad, and I feel badly for the fans and the people who made this movie. It was rather a waste, made all the more painful by the fact that you see in the middle of the film some good things that show that this could have been an outstanding SF action film. When the action arrives, the viewer does not care, the stakes are not real, there is no suspense, all because there is no suspension of dibelief and no involvement with the characters, because the first 40 minutes simply kill the film. It was all incomprehensible expostion with no drama, no tension. Sorry to say it, but it is the truth.

  • May 15, 2003, 11:12 a.m. CST

    by Minos

  • May 15, 2003, 11:19 a.m. CST

    I couldn't have put it any better myself Rcamacho

    by Rash

    I watched Reloaded last night and I was floored by it. Not because of the fight scenes or the extraordinary special effects, but because the story rules supreme just as it did in the first matrix film. Sometimes I wonder what these so called matrix fans really enjoyed about the first film. Are they just a bunch of superhero Fanboi's that wanted to see neo flex his superpowers? This is one of the reasons I was not completely blown away with Xmen 2. XMen 2 rarely ever follows the original blue prints outlined in the comic books. Instead, they just take these hero's with amazing super powers and toss them into some random string of events that never actually occurred in the Xmen universe. People/some fans are ok with this as long as they get to see the cool superhero doing his thing. A friend of mine(bigger Xmen fan than I) was amazed that they might introduce the Phoenix in Xmen 3. The only problem is, he doesn't give two shits about the origin of the phoenix, he just wants to see it kicking ass. Same thing applies to some of the so called Matrix lovers (Harry) whose sole reason for liking the matrix can be boiled down to "I wanted to see Neo flex his superhero muscle". Where are the vampires, werewolves, ghosts? Who the fuck knows and who the fuck cares. Not once did the Wachowski bro's lead the audience into believing that they were going to indroduce these creatures in their fabled form. Thank god! Reloaded separated the men from the boys. If you have the same mindset as Harry regarding these movies, stay away from Reloaded and Revolutions. I guarantee that you will be sorely disappointed.

  • May 15, 2003, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Never thought I'd say this but FUCK YOU you Harry bashers! Do yo

    by BannthisUcommies

    hidden. Yeah you have to think for like 2 seconds. He gets it, he sees it, he understands it. He just doesn't like the parts he's delineated. Get over IT! This is not Empire, Khan or anything like them, this is B2F2, the straddling movie between the setup and the finale. There are some poor choices made in this film, there are some good ones. Its still better than most of the shit out there but its NOT anywhere near the first.

  • May 15, 2003, 11:22 a.m. CST

    too much, too fast. Lot's of you can't seem to keep up, is all.

    by shockwave

    If you think the talking was

  • May 15, 2003, 11:23 a.m. CST

    How wrong is Harry? Let me count the ways

    by mortsleam

    THIS POST IN ENTIRELY COMPOSED OF MAJOR HEAVY SPOILERS *** About Neo

  • May 15, 2003, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Hate to agree with Harry...

    by Lil' Monkey

    But I have to here. I caught a 10pm showing in Chicago last night, and I've gotta tell you, the crowd hated it. I even heard one guy say that it was worse then the Phantom Menace. It's not that bad, but this movie is a letdown of epic proportions. I felt that Neo's dream/vision of Trinity jumping out of the skyscrapper and falling to her death was cinematically the most amazing part of the movie. It quickly goes down from there. I really think Harry hits it on all points. There is no sense of danger. You never worry for the characters. It's way too glossy where the original was very gritty and dark. Tank was a great supporting character while Link was embarassing. I could go on and on and on and on, but I'll stop.

  • May 15, 2003, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Good show..

    by English Cookie

    If you want reserved you go to the cinema in London, if you want a kick ass atmosphere, applause, cheers, laughter and screams, you see the Matrix in NYC. With the same movie on every screen, a line around 2 blocks hours before the first showing and a level of excitement and anticipation this high, the movie could have been half as good and still have been worth my $10. We 'whooped' and 'hollered' and clapped our way from the Jason vs. Freddie trailer to the very end of the Revolutions trailer. Its all to easy to be negative. Didn't Silver say this was one movie cut in half. In which case how can we comment on it being good or bad as it hasn't finished yet, its just going to be a very very long intermission.... so stroll out to the concession stand get a refil and some more nachos and in Novemebr make your way back into the theatre for the second half. Seeing movies this good in an atmosphere like that is reason enough to live here.

  • May 15, 2003, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Never thought I'd say this but FUCK YOU you Harry bashers! Do yo

    by BannthisUcommies

    hidden. Yeah you have to think for like 2 seconds. He gets it, he sees it, he understands it. He just doesn't like the parts he's delineated. Get over IT! This is not Empire, Khan or anything like them, this is B2F2, the straddling movie between the setup and the finale. There are some poor choices made in this film, there are some good ones. Its still better than most of the shit out there but its NOT anywhere near the first.

  • May 15, 2003, 11:38 a.m. CST

    ....

    by magiqueshroom

    hey Harry, and any other critics... "Those who can't do, teach" right? The movie was great...shut up!

  • May 15, 2003, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Matrix Homages, Cameos and Freeway (spoilers)

    by DeeJay

    When the Nebechanezzer entered Zion, I didn't expect the interior to be a clear derivative of the hangers in the early "Star Wars" films, but thought that was a good wink to the audience. I also didn't expect Morpheus to do his own impression of Syrus from "The Warriors", but thought that, too, was a nice touch (albeit somewhat too protracted). Cameos by Dr. Cornell West and Roy Jones, Jr. were also nice pieces. This is because their characters were exagerrations of their actual personas, and neither one got to chew the scenery (it doesn't even look like we'll get to see Jones's death). One other thing... looking at the freeway action scene, I'm thinking that they designed it for its angles... and because the studio is looking to use it in future films (and WB evening TV shows), as well. Over the next few years, using and booking it may actually make them money (as opposed to getting permits to use actual freeways).

  • May 15, 2003, noon CST

    Sigh.

    by hudsucker

    So the audience didn't simultaneously cum in their pants and tear out their hair in excitement after every cool scene? Not everyone is a rabid film geek who can't control their emotions. In fact, some of us would rather not bother the rest of the audience with our juvenile reaction to every scene. So they didn't clap. Nobody at my screening clapped either, but everyone seemed to enjoy themselves. Right now the meter on Rotten Tomotoes is overwhelmingly fresh. Even Ebert liked it. But I could've predicted this anti-matrix attitude months ago from you jackass film nerds who have to ruin every little thing with your over-analyzing and your fanboy idolizing. I suppose you guys haven't had anything to get your panties is a twist since you got to discuss how Lucas ruined the last star wars prequel over coffee at the local college campus, so I'll let you have this one I guess. What else have you got, after all.

  • May 15, 2003, 12:12 p.m. CST

    The cast is worse than LOTR.

    by velocity

    So what are you expecting when the actors in this movie suck so much? Keanu, Jada, Fishbourne, Weaving, and Moss are atrocious actors. These people couldn't act there way out of a Peter Hackson movie!

  • May 15, 2003, 12:12 p.m. CST

    matrix review

    by MrAnderson

    First of all, this movie ROCKED!!Secondly, you are out of your mind!Do not even try to say that it was lacking emotion, because without all the GODDamn media surrounding the film you wouldn't know that Trinity lives.So, if you didn't KNOW that fact don't you think your heart would have been pounding while Neo is racing to save her? Last but not least, the Wachowski brothers made ONE movie that takes place over 72 hours but the major studio wants as much money as they can get so we're stuck with two and you're wining. Personally I would have sat through 4 hours, shit I sat through 3 with TTTs and that wasn't that good. I'm out!!

  • May 15, 2003, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Here's a question for ya (SPOILERS)

    by spikendruscilla

    So if there's been other Zions, do you think those kids that could bend spoons in the first Matrix were back up One's or future One's in case Neo failed or suceeded. My head hurts. Also Neo had a Jedi moment where he pulls those Sai's off the wall using his 'force'. By the way the movie kicked my ass. Don't hype yourself up so much and you won't be disappointed. And if you think you can better, write and produce your own damn movie.

  • May 15, 2003, 12:14 p.m. CST

    You guys saw a different movie than I did

    by The Red One

    I LOVED it. The audience LOVED it. They cheered, they laughed, they hooted and hollered (I was surrounded by programmers). Maybe it's because I'm a woman and I can pick up on the subtleties of the story line better than you guys. How can you not like a film that opens up so much discussion? I'm begging my friends and family to go see it as soon as possible so I can TALK about it with them - discuss it with them. There are so many questions and they could all have multiple answers. I went in expecting a good movie and I got one that blew me away. Y'all just sound bitter.

  • May 15, 2003, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Harry is always right. Remember Godzilla and Blair Witch 2?

    by brakula

    Harry's review is nothing but a knee-jerk reaction equivalent to a high school freshman coming into this movie expecting another X2 (or maybe BW2, right Harry?) There is much more depth to this movie and its dialogue than it first appears.... Sorta like the first movie. If you aren't the type of person who sat around and discussed the philosphy of the Matrix, then do NOT go see this movie. It will be waaay to much dialogue for you to handle. I've spent three hours this morning discussing Socrates, Descartes, Rand, etc. because of this movie. It's pretty damn good, but it won't be everybody's cup of tea.

  • May 15, 2003, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Harry's gripes one by one

    by shockwave

    Let

  • May 15, 2003, 12:22 p.m. CST

    harry's second take

    by jbthigpen

    i saw the matrix reloaded last night, and the crowd in the theater gave the polar opposite reaction than the crowd you saw the film with in either of your screenings. there seemed to be no character that was disliked (link, tank's replacement, got laughs for the comments he made) and the action/fight scenes were appreciated with applause, appropiate gasps and the occasional "get the fuck outta here" (but it was used in a good way). what seems to be forgotten was that the matrix, when it bowed, came out of nowhere. no one really knew what to expect, so it was one of those very pleasant surprises. i think that those who don't like reloaded either had their expectatons waaay to high, or was hoping for that same sense of wonder feel that you got the first time. i'm sorry that you didn't like the film as much as you would have hoped, but i don't think it had nearly (if any) of the short comings that you sighted. but as we both (and all of the board posters here) have their own opinion, i suppose we will have to agree to disagree.

  • May 15, 2003, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I don't know, but more and more it sems

    by Rumpleforeskin

    that Harry has turned into a shill. All you have to do to get Harry to gush over your genre movie is 1.invite him to the set,(Kill Bill /Spy Kids)2.give him your personal phone number, (Avi Arad/Marvel Comics/Peter Jackson) With the Wachkowsi Bros and Joel Silver not giving Harry any love, of course he isn't going to praise it. I think Harrys just pissed that Neil Cumpstons review got more press than anything Harrys ever done on this site,

  • May 15, 2003, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Good movie, but lacking

    by nomad_38

    This was a good movie if taken on its own, but it wasn't nearly as good as the first one. It applied rules and reasons in the first movie that it didn't follow through with in this one. Neo can stop bullets all the time swords some of the time and fists none of the time. I mean a little bit of consistancy would be nice. Don't get me wrong the fight scenes were great, its just that the one with Smith felt unnecessary. And don't get me started on the story. I've read all these "reviews" saying how awesome and amazing the story is when its been pulled from tons of sci-fi books that were written ages ago. Again not that its not a good one, its just new to the movie screen not anywhere else. It doesn't take a genius to figure out this type of plot line. This was a good movie it just doesn't compare with the original.

  • May 15, 2003, 12:53 p.m. CST

    The Burly Brawl and others

    by The Red One

    Let's see....the compaint about the Burly Brawl and why didn't Neo just fly away? Because 'You never really know a person until you fight them'. The fight with Seraph was to impart this information because Seraph knew that Agent Smith would find Neo. And Neo needs to know this new Agent Smith. By fighting him. Get it? Second the rave scene. Yeah it was hot and seeing naked Keanu was a nice little treat but did anyone stop to think that it served another purpose. These thousands of people have just been told that 250k machines are on their way to destroy them. There is no way for them to leave, no place for them to go, and since not everyone believes as Morpheus does that Neo can stop everything what are you going to do with thousands of people who are now facing a rather painful death. Getting sweaty and dancing to a tribal beat until you're full of all sorts of neat feelings sure seems like a pretty good way to me to spend my time. It was a way of diffusing the panic.

  • May 15, 2003, 1:18 p.m. CST

    SEQUALS = AOTC < X2 < TTT < RELOADED

    by mastahkaz

    Just because you fat fucks are too stupid to understand anything going on, i mean shit harry didnt even understand it until his second time seeing it. This movie utterly dominates that super cheesy-boring movie known as X2. How about you do a couple of things Harry. A. Learn how to review movies based on the CONTENT OF THE MOVIE itself instead of how much other people get off during a movie and B. How about you stop using all of the money you make from running all these lame banner ads on cheeseburger meals to upgrade your PII 200mhz server youre running in your bedroom to something a little faster that can actually handle more traffic than 25 people a day. Please never review a movie again Harry, you're pethethic. Now lets see how many server errors I can get before this actually gets posted....

  • May 15, 2003, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Celebrity Slab: Robert Stack

    by Darth Brooks

    Robert Stack died in L.A. Wednesday of an apparent heart-attack. He was 84. Where is Harry with this news?

  • May 15, 2003, 1:31 p.m. CST

    MATRIX 2 is cool, BUT Zion the Hippy-Love-Fest-Rave-Creep-Petuli

    by Randfilms

    Damn that movie was fun, but the whole ZION place is full of hippy creeps! What happened to the dapper, sharp-dressed cats when they go home? They get all Hippy-Dippy on us. Go Sentries! (sp?) Get that damn Hippy City. Blow it up!

  • May 15, 2003, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Neo can

    by Red Dragon 1138

    When Neo ripped apart Smith's code at the end of the first Matrix, it was a very satisfying moment for that film, unfortunately, by doing that Neo in advertantly re-programmed Smith to become a virus. He replicates and takes over old data (Agents). I believe what happened is that Neo in effect created is own villain. "Every great hero is defined by his villian." If Neo is the ultimate good, Smith became the ultimate Evil BECAUSE Neo ripped his code apart. Smith now operates outside of the Matrix's perameters, that is why he is now able to infect a human's mind. Strtching his powers out into the real world. He is working for himself now. The Matrix now longer dictates Smith's actions. If Neo were to rip someone else apart, what will happen to their code? The subtext in the Matrix is what makes it unique. It is the movie that will be discussed over many beers at bars and restaurants all over the planet. The subtext is what captures the heart of What the Matrix is. If you were looking for warewolves and vampires, I think you should wait for the Hugh Jackman "Van Helsing" flick. The Matrix is a beast in and of itself.

  • May 15, 2003, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Movie great....but not for the action

    by rutan07

    When anyone sees the first Matrix movie they are watching a film that breaks new ground in action film making. One can truly say that action movies can be judged now by before the Matrix and after the Matrix. That first film broke all the rules and had special effects that blew the mind. For Reloaded to do the same the film would have had to wait ten more years for CGI effects to get to the level Reloaded needs but no one wants to wait. So the action scenes don't blow the mind, we have seen this before, but use your brain and see what the movie is saying. This film has open the flood gates on the whole world of Zion and the Matrix itself. Is Neo ever really out of the Matrix? Does Zion even exist or is it just another level of the computer world? And what the hell is up with Agent Smith? Forget the action, it is good but not earth shaking, the greatness of this film is the questions it raises. The Matrix Reloaded is great for its story unlike the first film which had little story but great action. So I urge fans to use their brains. Unlike what Harry and everyone else on this site has been saying, go to this movie to listen to what is going on and then open your eyes to see the pretty pictures.

  • May 15, 2003, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Saw It Last Night - Disagree With Harry

    by Mako

    I saw MATRIX RELOADED last night and really enjoyed the film. No it was not the "jaw-dropping experience" of the first film. And I wasn't expecting it to be. RELOADED was a "great" continuation of NEO's "destiny" and the struggles between man and machine. Harry must live in a really dull city. I saw the film in Glendale with a full house and everyone was cheering and applauding throughout the film. The thing that really is intriguing about this film is that there seems to be such a strong divide of opinions over it. There are many who were "underwhelmed" by the movie... and many who thought it was "great". Can't please everyone... but I give the Brothers two thumbs up.

  • May 15, 2003, 1:51 p.m. CST

    I Repeat: This Movie Sucked

    by Barron34

    But, hey, that's just my opinion. If you liked this movie, fine, have fun, go see it again. I doubt I will even ever watch this film again on video. It was terrible, just awful. And sadly so, too, because after you endure the unforgivable first act of the movie, there are several very impressive action scenes, and there are many good elements in the movie which just never come together. Unfortunately, I did not give a damn about the action, nor did I believe in the world or care about the characters, because the first act of the movie not only failed to suspend my disbelief, it beat any interest I had in this fictional world to death with a horrible lack of drama and with supremely incompetent stroytelling. The movie was unrelentingly terrible for the first 40 minutes, to the point where you no longer cared what was happening (or NOT happening, more to the point). The first 40 minutes have no action, no conflict, no drama whatsoever (barring the brief opening dream sequence with Trinity in running combat). The first 40 minutes are just talk, talk, talk, a bunch of exposition, and not even coherent exposition at that, just a bunch of gibberish. What do we discern from the first 40 minutes? Apparently that Zion is in danger and that Trinity might die. That could have been shown in 10 or 15 minutes (and with Trinity it was), rather than droned on about for 40 leaden minutes. As far as Zion being in danger, it is only spoken about, never shown. Screenwriting 101 (and Storytelling 101 also, no matter what the medium): show, don't tell. And if you must tell, then for God's sake, make it brief. The first act was preponderously boring; it was 30 to 40 minutes of dull, dull nonsense. After enduring 40 minutes of dramatic incompetence, I could not engage in the film as a piece of fiction, but could only admire the technical skill of the later scenes, and the wasted potential of the dramatic elements that were there, but which were killed by the fatal and interminably insufferable first act.******Furthermore, I love the poster (I believe that it was Shockwave) who says that if you don't "get" what they were talking about in the movie, then perhaps you are stupid or are in the half of the population with an IQ below 100. Right. My IQ is far, far above 100, jackass. When you have no intelligent argument, don't attack the intelligence of the person that you are disagreeing with (in Logic 101, this is called the "ad hominem" fallacy: attacking the person making the argument, not the actual argument itself. Logic 101, by the way, is a REAL philosophy class, not a BULLSHIT philosophy class, which is what the Matrix would be if it were a philosophy class). As far as my intelligence goes, I have a college degree from a leading university, and I have studied science, philosophy, and history (successfully) at the university level, and I am currently in graduate school in a serious academic department. The only thing that I "get" from the dialogue in the first 40 minutes of this movie is that the Wachowskis needed to entirely rewrite their dramatically incompetent first act. I would suggest that you are the one with the low IQ for believing that the pseudo-profound nonsense presented in this makes any real sense. It is gibberish. Unlike the first movie, it is not even stylish and entertaining gibberish. Let me put it this way: getting your philosophy from the Martix is like getting your science from Star Trek. The original Matrix is fine as entertainment, but as philosophy, it is rubbish. The Matrix Reloaded is not only nonsensical, it is bad entertainment (which is the REAL sin here; I didn't pay $9.00 for an incoherent lecture in comic-book philosophy; I paid it to be entertained, which I wasn't). If you think that the boring gibberish that these characters were droning on about for 40 minutes was profound or deep, then I would suggest that you are the one with the low IQ, not me. This is comic-book movie entertainment, and if you mistake it for philosophy, I would suggest that you get a real education at some point which involves actual books and real thinking, and not video games and comic books. As philosophy, the Matrix is nonsense (just as Star Trek is nonsense as science). But, that is fine by me; I do not go to see a Science-fiction action movie to get philosophy or science; I go to be entertained. The original Matrix entertained me. This sequel not only failed to entertain me, it failed in the extreme. It was dramatically incompetent. But, if you can ignore the abortion that was the first act and get some sort enjoyment out of the movie, have fun, go see it again. I won't. The unfortunate part is that the movie had real potential. I will not be seeing it again.

  • May 15, 2003, 2:02 p.m. CST

    alright- The storyline was fantastic- action was awesome -but n

    by juxtapoze

    me story with you people , expecting waywayway too much out of a movie. not that that is bad .. butit was qa good movie by any standard.

  • May 15, 2003, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Explanation - HEAVY SPOILERS

    by Minos

    I am not sure if to many people truly understand what this movie is actually saying, so I will try to explain it for those that don't get what they just saw. The first thing I recommend is that you try to remove your ego, people all have them - so they believe that the movie must be about people. But actually it is about software and mainframe code. The main computer has been caught in a loop cycle for 5 iterations, and it is trying to find a variance that will break this cycle by utilizing a random bit anomaly piece of software (Neo), to allow it to fully complete its cycle. It has tried this before, but has always failed and in its attempts. It is trying to factor in all variables of its program to make absolute sure of complete success before it attempts to actually implement the complete procedure, like an good piece of software (debugging iteself - "it is the why that is important"). Beta software waiting to go gold. The only factor that was not counted on was an anomaly of two programs intersecting and one becoming a self-replicating virus bent on absolute destruction (Smith), and the anomoly (Neo) complementing his program with protectorate software. This is a brilliant movie, that once you wrap your head around, is really just an ultimate version of Tron with no human watchers (Jeff Bridges), of a computer SuperNoc running through a simulation with all possible factors being worked first, before it initializes the program for real. If Neo completes his role and meets his ultimate purpose as software, then our hero allows the computer to see all variances that it will need to contend with, so that it can fully implement the real program on our world. Matrix - main base operating system Zion - secondary operating system for software that can no longer can function in main sytem - but can be utilized to build new a matrix system Neo - Random bit anomaly software for breaking loop cycle

  • May 15, 2003, 2:11 p.m. CST

    WHATCHOU TALKIN BOUT HARRY?!

    by DailyPlanet18

    Ok listen people. I saw the 5:00 AM screening at Grauman's Chinese this morning before work. Did you get that. 5:00 AM!! And let me tell you from the heart of Hollywood. people were stoked. There were cheers, screams and applause. But just by looking at the responses here on the board it is clear that this movie, more than any movie in a LOOOOOOONG time has polarized the audience. How can the SAME movie induce some people to helpless geek cries of OH MY GAWD THAT IS AWESOME!! while others sit dissapointed, crying into their Pepsi? This movie is NOT Attack of the Clones...If we are all honest with ourselves we can admit that movie pretty much sucks. This movie has something to say. We may not all LIKE where they went with it, we may have wanted to see something different but at least these guys aren't selling out. They took the story to a whole new level!! I was saying JUST LAST NIGHT that it was a shame that a sequel couldn't fry your brain the way the first movie in a series does and then went and DAMN BUT MY BLONDE CURLS WERE SMOKIN. They took everything you THOUGHT you knew and said HEY GOTCHA!!! IT'S WAY MORE F(*^%D up than you thought!! DON'T LISTEN TO HARRY! Harry your heart is in the right place but I think maybe you just didn't GET it. Does anyone REALLY want to see Neo throw down with a bunch of werewolves? NO HARRY WE DON'T! I agree with you it IS a cool concept but this is a TECHNOLOGICAL SCI-FI THRILLER and having so many new and different "programs" running around was much more in keeping with the tone and feel of the matrix... CAN'T WAIT FOR REVOLUTIONS...AMAZED THAT A SUMMER FILM CAN MAKE ME AND MY FRIENDS DISCUSS FATE AND FREE WILL OVER FRENCH TOAST AT MEL'S.....and Neo flying around just brings a geek smile to my face....

  • May 15, 2003, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Respectful disagreement with (and pity for) Harry

    by Joe Cool #2

    First, the pity... so sorry that your fellow moviegoers didn't get up for the show. I went to the first screening in Vancouver (on the biggest THX screen in the house), and the mob went nuts throughout the show. Gasps galore; examples of bits eliciting particulary big ones include the Burly Brawl wide shot in which Agent Smith #78 careens about six storeys into the air and bounces off a building (and several of the bullet-time shots in that scene), as well as a couple of the blows landed in the fight in the Mengovelian's foyer. The climactic collision in the freeway sequence also got a big response. Applause was rampant at the end of the Burly Brawl, after the freeway sequence and at the end of the film as well. At the end, we all felt how we WANTED to feel at the end of TPM and AOTC. Second... I've read both of Harry's screening reviews, and... sorry, Harry, but gotta go with my fellow moviegoers. The movie's a winner. I understand the nature of your criticisms, but in my view they either are of far less significance in the overall product, or simply don't exist. But, that's just me. Perhaps ignorance is bliss; so call me blissfully lining up to see this movie again. And again.

  • May 15, 2003, 2:13 p.m. CST

    unfortunately, I was bored...

    by dmezei

    and I loved the first Matrix, thought it was genius. Every scene in the movie was classic. The Citizen Kane of our time. Which is why Reloaded was such a letdown. The fight scenes where boring (which surprised me), the car chase was ok, the only thing I really dug was the buryly brawl towards the end. And I didn't even mind the first 20 minutes, including the rave. I just think the brothers ran out of ideas. How many times can you paint the same picture?

  • May 15, 2003, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Barron

    by Rumpleforeskin

    I'm sorry did anyone ask for your academic pedigree ? Which in this case was rendered useless by Warner Bro's ad campaign/Hype Machine. This is called Barnum Logic 101: theres a sucker born every minute. The Sucker: You. You wen't to see this movie hoping for some dramatic epiphany about the secrets of life or the nature of man ? Joel Silver wants your 9 dollars, guess what ? He got your 9 dollars. Your high brow education failed to protect you from his superior mind control powers. Next time you go to a genre movie just chill out, sip your coke and smile.

  • May 15, 2003, 2:17 p.m. CST

    niggah puhleaze

    by mastahkaz

    Another fault in your very lame reviews: You go into detail about how youre all upset there is not more damage done to the people fighting in The Matrix. Well think about it moron, most of the people they have fight scenes with are PROGRAMS. They do not take damage. You'll notice when Neo's hand starts bleeding the programs are able to tell hes human because of this. BECAUSE PROGRAMS DONT BLEED. I dont know what movie you watched when you were watching the first one, but it was exactly the same. You dont think being slammed into a concrete wall over and over would break your back? Or having a head smashed through a toilet wouldnt break some teeth out? Hardly anyone takes any damage in the first one or the second one. Its either you destroy them or dont destory them, theres no in between. Theres no broken legs or noses on the agents. Of course if you saw the first movie you'd realize this when they say there is no way to stop them. Which is pretty much true except if youre Neo and can jump inside of one and blow them up from the inside out. But then I know you like to complain about why didnt he just do that to everyone, but that idea of yours was already proven moronic by the person who explained how hes only a hacker and was able to perform that "hack" becasue everyone was standing still and not a lof of commotion was going on. Right on the money with that by the way. Anyway, i love making your losers look dumb... Peace

  • May 15, 2003, 2:24 p.m. CST

    same here

    by japhyryders

    you're right on. i went and screened the film at the grove in LA. people cheered when the line moved into the theater. people cheered when the lights went down. people cheered when the green WB logo came up...and that was it. i mean, come on people...this is L fuckin A....people cheer for some pretty awful shit. and no the theater wasn't packed full of geeks looking for the flaws. these are people that busted their ass to get tix for the first nite and wait in line like it was a led zepplin show. simply put it has no soul. all we can hope is that revolutions finds redemption.

  • May 15, 2003, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Minos....

    by The Red One

    If only I weren't already married I'd pick you. Together we could rule the world.

  • May 15, 2003, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Good science fiction, BAD FILM

    by Mad Skills

    Ok guys, look, I get the plot. I get the mythology, the philosophy, and the religious undertones. I even have a good background in science fiction. And the concept of the Matrix is unarguably science fiction. But this is just a bad film. The reason why Harry's points about lighting and setting are so valid is b/c these fights are actually really cool, but for some reason, they don't grab you like the fights in the first did, the way the first Matrix grabbed even the average viewer who had never seen a "sci-fi" movie or Hong Kong film. Granted, I think a lot of this has to do with the lack of good characterization. In the firt film, we get to know Neo, Morpheus and Trinity by the way they interact together. Granted, these weren't deep characterizations, but in this film, they're just HUSKS of characters. The characters were emtpy, and so were the fights. And Harry hit it: the biggest difference between the first and second Matrix is that in Reloaded THE STORY MAKES ROOM FOR THE ACTION. Honestly folks, I don't care how geeky you are--this was a good sci-fi STORY, but would you compare it to truly great FILMS?

  • May 15, 2003, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Concord Mills, North Carolina 10pm show LOVED IT!!!

    by Mully4Ever

    There were cheers during the fight scenes and everyone was talking about the movie afterward. I thought the architect looked a bit too much like Colonel Sanders of KFC fame. DO NOT EAT KFC!!!

  • Wake up people and pay attention--Because Harry obviously wasnt---spoilers----the end of the movie, zion is not destroyed but Captian Links little preemptive strike was because of Agent Smith setting off the emp too early. But Zion will fall in 24 hours unless Neo can stop it. But he is now in a coma after using he's power to stop the machines. But how did he sense the machines and use his power to stop them when he is OUTSIDE the matrix?--becuase he is not outside. He never was. No one is. EVERYONE IS STILL PLUGGED IN. The "real world" is just an illusion, another extension of the grand program. EVERYONE, all the lead characters, are ALL still apart of the matrix. Still plugged in and feeding the machines power. Which is why Agent smith--a friggin computer program, was able to take over that guy and enter the "real world" because the "real world" is apart of the natrix. The Architect tells Neo he has done all this before and that Zion has fallen 5 times before, only to be rebuilt. You cant conquer Zion and rebuild it 5 times unless its a computer progran that is just RELOADED and started again. Neo has walked the path of "The One" 5 times before. Everything in the first film is a lie--an illusion--there is no "real world" EVERYTHING you see in the entire first film is THE MATRIX. The matrix has you, it has everyone, including NEO. Everyone is still plugged in and dreaming the machines little dream. Believe it. Yes, indeed this movie kickass! Oh and for the record Harry, come on--Neo fighting Vampires and werewolves--that's ridiculously stupid. The matrix gives the illusion of the real world--oh but wait--lets have Neo fight werewolves and vampires too--cause their from the real world right? why not just throw in a fight with bigfoot, the lochness monster, some leprechauns, and santa claus and call it day. Please! The second a werewolf or a vampire jumps out to fight Neo is the second the audience busts out into chronic laughter and exits the theater. In any case, the movie kicks ass--though i will concede there wasnt that same element of danger that the first one had, what with neo being damn near invincible. But the ending, neo using his powers in the "real world" revealing he is still plugged in, completely turns the first movie on its head. Which make for a great sequel in my book. Can't wait for Revolutions!

  • May 15, 2003, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Reloaded is great! Ignore these people!

    by thethree

    I don't even know where to start, but let me make a few comments that no one else has. First, I am a 33 year old attorney and a woman, and for all I know, the only woman to ever post on this sight...(judging by the 101 variations on cumming in-my-pants, creaming on-the-seat, jizzing in my pocket-protector etc.) 1. Movies are made to make money. That's it. Unless it's a movie about about three suicidal lesbians, in which case it is made to get an Oscar. So, the studio will want to have something for everyone and will use every trick in the book to get everyone into the theatre. Thank GOD this movie was rated R and they didn't have some precoscious little brat running around trying to sell candy to the kiddie set. 2. Matrix 1 made a lot of money, and this one will make an ungodly shitload of money. Even the people who hated it are seeing it mutliple times. If you really hate it, don't go see it! Why encourage the studio to make crap you hate by making them rich and proving to them that crap=money. The studio doesn't care that you saw it three times just so you can exactly figure out why you hated it--they just count your money. 3. When I was a kid I thought that Ghostbusters was the most awesome movie ever made. I also liked Sesame Street, and the Dukes of Hazzard. I was a KID! I no longer beleive that Ghostbusters is so friggin' wonderful. Seeing it as an adult, I was BORED. Kids are easier to amuse. If you saw a movie when you were 8, or 12, or 16, and loved it, you are going to love it more than anything else ever in the world because you were a CHILD! You are going to think it was just as perfect as your parents. When you get older, nothing is that good again. The Matrix was 1999. We are all older now. We are different. Live in the present! 3. The first movie was plenty of stupid. The crowd I saw the the first movie with laughed every time Keanu opened his mouth. Or tried to fight someone. Morpheas was just as ridiculous then as he is now. But over time your mempory changes so that you think that the Matrix was perfect! It wasn't and neither is this one. 4. It's just a friggin' movie. Have a coke and a smile and appreciate the artform. Don't try to figure out the "rules" of this world. It's made up. It won't make sense anyway. Why in the world did anyone ever fight hand-to-hand in the first place? Why does shooting a computer program "kill it?" Why not sacrifice all the battery humans to kill the matrix and start over with some of the "seedstock" being grown in the fields? How can a computer program smell? Why doesn't everyone fly? If the Matrix controls everything, wouldn't they do some DNA scan or whatever and abort the humans that would cause problems? My point is that the first movie doens't really make sense either. Life doesn't make sense. Where did they shit that exploded in the Big Bang come from anyway??? We are all just here for the ride. 5. Go make your own movies, or write your own screenplays, or do something creative with your own brain. You can appreciate the choices other artists make when you confront those same choices yourself. 6. The rave scene was cool--Humans being human. We ARE different from the machines, aren't we? 7. Do you realize that if we let the naysayers make this movie we would have had a movie with... No dancing, no Kung-Fu, no sex, no dialogue, no Zion, no semi-truck fighting, no agents Smith, no characters but Neo and the Oracle, no saving Trinity at the end, and no exposition except the Architect speech at the end. Oh, and they would have added vampires, werewolves, ghosts, more special powers for Neo, a big Robot-Zion duel at the end (go see Terminator# for that), and more cake-eating-orgasm-scenes. So, we would have got either the first movie AGAIN, or a video-game. Non-stop laser beam fights and a running scroll at the bottom of philisophical mumbo-jumbo. Not every movie can be some kind of perfect mix of Comic book/Superhero/ X-men/SpiderMan/Daredevil/XXX/ Star Wars/Terminator/Videogame/JackieChan/Kung-fu/laser/Jedi death match/thats's 100% action, 100% cool, 100% new and different, 100% MindFuck , and 100% friggin perfect. 8. It's a great movie. What, you went to see Chicago six times to make sure you hate musicals? You saw The Hours and Pollack five times? You stood in line for an hour to see Chasing Papi? I'd take 100 Matrix Reloadeds over even 10 more seconds of My Big Fat Stupid Wedding, or 2Fast, 2Ridiculous.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:20 p.m. CST

    matrix:reloaded

    by carolignian

    I'm not sure what movie Harry was seeing, but matrix reloaded rocked hard in my book. To be honest Harry, I don't understand how you can tout "the revolution will not be televised" and not get the matrix. Also, Harry complains about not seeing vampires or warewolves. First, there were obviously some sort of undead -- one was shot with a silver bullet right? And even if you don't see some guys running around with pointy teeth, you have ghosts, i.e. the twins. A slam-dunk. Can't wait for the third installment.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:28 p.m. CST

    The Matrix Reloaded was great! (mega spoilers alert!)

    by The Tao of Joe

    While harry's points are valid, and I totally understand where he is coming from, I loved the new matrix. It has to be the most deepest science fiction film ever. It is like an onion, with so many layers upon layers upon layers. The first thirty minutes sucked (the rave, the sex, the speach by morpheus), and would have killed a lesser movie, but the movie makes some good points. Since the Oracle is a program, should her prophecies be trusted? Is neo's One-ness apart of the matrix's plan to keep things moving in a cycular motion? When the Architect said they had destroyed Zion 6 times before, and were becoming increasingly efficient at it, that was a total kick to my balls. I didnt really see the point of a matrix sequel, since we knew Neo was the one, and he could basically rip code apart, there was no point, we knew he was going to win, but now we have learned that the illusion of "winning" and "choice" is apart of the machine's long term plan to permanently keep humans enslaved. I think alot of people will be dissapointed by this movie because it ends on a cliff hanger (smith is kicking it in the real world? holy crap!), and because they probably realized, as I did, that the fights really were not the main attraction to this film. It will only be those who listened to the words (and yes, they are complex, and loaded with techno-babble, but this is science fiction, not sci-fi mind you) of the characters, and comprehend them fully, who will walk away from this film with a good time. I mean when has a summer blockbuster ever asked its audience to think deeply like this? Oh, and the french dude was interesting, if you picked up on it like I did, he wasnt really even french, he just prefered the language. He was kind of an example of what Neo could be if he let his power go to his head, and his wife kissing Neo was like a vampire stealing a view at the sun really quick, a glimps of something she can never posess again. My goal is to play the game Enter The Matrix (which sucks by the way, but it has 2 hours of unreleased footage that apparently "enhance" the story,), and to watch the Anamatrix, and then see reloaded again. The very fact that neo (if he looses) might have to choose what, 14 people to re-enter the matrix, and spread their rebellious genes for future sham-rebellions has me interested in the sequel. There is now, actually something to loose, and a great chance that things wont end well. For once, a movie has given me a real sense of danger for its characters. We all know Neo is the one, but now we also know that that might not mean a damn thing. Alot of people are going to hate this movie, and seem to already. It might end up being a blair witch 2, where the world hated it, but because it presented such complex thoughts, I am one of the only few people who liked it. If you would like to talk to me directly on your thoughts, email me at thetaoofjoe2@aol.com, or im at thetaoofjoe, but please, if you are just going to mail bomb me to tell me how stupid I am for having my OWN opinion, dont bother. You hated the movie, I liked it, rock on.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:32 p.m. CST

    MrSmith, I'll tell you where the fucking climax was!!!

    by Mr_Zzsazz

    It was in my fucking pants! My dick went off like a roman candle during that burly brawl sequence!! Neo is one hot piece of man meat, and I definitely bust a nut when he was writhing around with all those Agent Smiths!!

  • May 15, 2003, 3:32 p.m. CST

    the grand sceme of things

    by infiniteBoom

    I just saw the midnight screening of Reloaded,and to my suprize I enjoyed it very much.Why suprized?Because of the negative reviews Ive ben reading.After reading Harrys review I was set to be dissapointed.Not like X2 where my high expectations were confirmed,geeking out at every scene.Reloaded took my mind more than visually astounding me.I mean come on...when the first matrix hit,every hollywood exec jumped at the chance to exploit bullet time and wire fu antics.Its like if I was a hollywood exec,it would be like,"Im making this movie,it has spectacular fight scenes and bullet time and these cats will be wearin leather,by the way the name of my film is Legally Blonde3!"KnowwhatImmean?!Fuck Hollywood!Matrix is hard movie to follow up.What I liked about Relaoded is the philisophical points of the film.The rouge programs were great.The ghosts,vampires,and werewolves,awosome!!!It wouldve been cooler if Neo was fighting monsters instead of gung-fu thugs,but hey Ill take what I can get out of it.By the end of the film I wasnt dissapointed,and Thank God for Lina!!!She told me to stay till the end so I can get a peak at Revolutions.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Harry- your reviews suck, you are a better scooper than a writer

    by jayandsilentbob

    I loved the Matrix Reloaded! It was a great film- it continued a story and had mindblowing special effects. This amazes me- every time a movie comes out that is supposed to be big and caters to the "ultra critical younger male adult fanboy discovered deoderant 2 days ago" crowd, all of the reviews painstakingly look for something to pick the movie apart. The comments about not seeing werewolves and vampires? Let me play dumbass geek for a second- NO FULLMOON DIPSHIT! Now let me play moviewatcher for entertainment- there were werevolves in thta room, Monica shot one of them. As for the "But Neo can instantly destroy Smith by going into him so why can't he just eat all the agents?" Crap, let me play geek for second ssecond- he is manipulating software through his fighting, and he has encountered some new code- he alludes to it when he says "Huh- upgades." As a movie watcher- whoc cares? He has to fight them, and Smith has obviously evolved along with the new agents. For the love of anything that is good, review the movie- NOT HOW WARNER BROS TREATS YOU!!! I can't trust your reviews anymore. I would love to continue to read your site for scoops, but you can't even provide enough damn bandwidth for it to load. If you are going to claim credibility as a movie news site, GROW UP! Appeal to a broader audience base than the dorks who made Episode 2 stink with BO on opening night! BTW- I love the site:)

  • I'd rather that they at least introduce and idea and let you're imagination take over then not introduce it at all and leave you with nothing. This is in reguards to the whole vampire, ghost etc. argument.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:38 p.m. CST

    The only thing that could have saved this movie is if it would h

    by adamantium

    Wolverine in it!

  • May 15, 2003, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Crowd Reaction

    by Jeff T

    Your crowd must have had some horrible experience, or just been a dull group, cause the crowd I saw this with was very vocal and approving. I saw this at the Edward's Mira Mesa 18 in San Diego county. The manager came in before hand a told everyone about the Revolutions trailer after the credits. I'm sure that more than 95% of the crowd stayed. After both the Smith Fight and the Highway scene, someone Yelled, "AWESOME" very loud, and the whole theater errupted in cheers. That's why I go to first night showings. Great movie and a great experience.

  • May 15, 2003, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Rumpleforeskin

    by Barron34

    Funny name. As far as my "academic pedigree" goes, I stated it to refute an earlier idiot who implied that if you didn't like The Matrix Reloaded, you probably were in the lower half of the IQ range. I find it insulting to be called a moron by a moron. As far as Silver outwitting me and getting my $9.00: he can have it. Silver is a saavy producer and a good businessman, and I respect him for it. He has a dog on his hands with this movie, but apparently there are enough people with an appetite for junk to support this movie. In any case, no one outwitted me, and Warners didn't hoodwink me with advertising. I see many films every month, and a good portion of them are bad. In addition to my other career activities, I am a writer and an aspiring screenwriter. Due to this, I see most major Hollywood genre releases so as to stay aprised of what Hollywood is producing, good and bad. One of the reasons that I come to AICN and sites like it is to get a better idea of what Hollywood is developing. In any case, I see a lot of shit films, and consider it an educational experience. I rarely, if ever, see a shit film a second time, though. If I enjoy a film, I might go back and see it in the theatre a second time. (it is so nice to see a well-made movie, that it is often a pleasure and a relief to watch such a movie a second time) I also might eventually get such a movie on DVD when it comes out. Thus, if a film is good, it gets repeat business from me. I will not be seeing The Matrix Reloaed again. It will get no repeat business from me, and I will not buy or rent it on video. The reason is simple: it sucked. I explained why it sucked in previous posts. I will repeat the main argument here: the first 30 to 40 minutes was a bunch of people walking around the Zion set talking. And talking. And talking. And they weren't talking about anything interesting or exciting. In fact, they were talking a lot of shit: extended gibberish meant to sound profound or philosophical, but which really made no real sense at all. I can take this in small doses, but 30 minutes of it in a row without relief killed the movie for me (in the original Matrix, it WAS in small doses, and was actaully kind of quaint. In this movie, it was endless and deadly to the film). The opening of an action pic should draw you in. I was not drawn into this movie and it's fictional world as a result of this major, major problem. I was, in fact, alienated and disgusted that I had to sit through over a half an hour of expostion, compounded by the fact that the exposition made little or no sense at all. Thirty minutes of drivel before we could get to any actual action, conflict, or drama in the movie. This is incompetent story-telling, and it is unfortunate, because there were interesting elements to the movie that could have made for a good film if the script were fixed. I am not looking for dramatic epiphanies; I am looking for a competently made and entertaining science-fiction action movie. This was not one, in my opinion. In such cases where the mvoie is well-made enough for me to watch it and enjoy it, I am quite happy to watch the movie, drink my soda, and enjoy the picture (I did this with the first movie, which despite it's conceits was a fun film to watch). In sum, this movie sucked, and it is unfortunate, because it did not have to. Oh, well. If you liked it, great, go see it as much as you like, I really don't care. Just don't insult my intelligence by saying that I don't "get" the Matrix's deep meaning. It's really not that profound. At all. It just thinks it is. But, I am ready to be forgiving about it. When I was 16, I thought pseudo- philosophical, mind-bending science-fiction like that was really cool and profound too. It's just comic-book philosophy, and that would be all well and good if the movie were well-made and fun, but it's not. The movie is a chore to watch for over half an hour at it's beginning, and thus, for me at least, it is a fuck-up. I repeat: the first 30 minutes are excrutiating, and thus the movie sucked, despite it's potential and many good elements (mostly later in the film). If you do not notice these things and can enjoy the film, fine, go enjoy it. When someone who likes this movie accuses me of not "getting" the deep meaning of the Matrix, I just have to laugh and respond that it's not really deep at all, it just thinks that it is. Furyher, if you liked this movie, you are the one who doesn't "get" what a decent movie is supposed to look like. Anyone who can sit through the first 30 minutes of that shit and enjoy it has a very high tolerance for shitty filmmaking.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Harry SUCKS, Reloaded Rocked!!!

    by szahans

    Harry, if you want philosophy, go to school! It's a friggin' movie for God's sake! The way many critics & so-called fans have been critizing Reloaded is way utterly ridiculous. What the heck did you expect!? You must be cursed to have had such a wac experience at one of the greatest movies of the year! (That's until ROTK, of course) And anyone who agrees with you is just as worthy to be seated on the first friggin' row of the theater where the idiot's who come in during the previews expecting a great seat for themselves and 10 of their friends have to sit! I'm going to take future reviews from you w/ a grain of salt from now on! (I used to trust your opinion) Well, maybe i'm being too harsh...just take a look in the mirror and if Roger Ebert is looking back at you, then disreguard my tirade. (Wait a sec, even Roger doesn't miscall 'em that bad!)

  • May 15, 2003, 4:05 p.m. CST

    matrix philosophy

    by carolignian

    Barron34: The issues discussed in the Matrix are not 'comic-book' philosophy. They have simply packaged essential points from many philosophers in a readily accessible wrapping. What is your problem with that?

  • May 15, 2003, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Neo IS the Matrix

    by CountVaseline

    Come on I can't be the only one who sees this coming a mile off? The whole thing is HIS creation. I hope I'm wrong but it seems like the only obvious ending. I seriously doubt the ending of the trilogy will be upbeat.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Concord Mills, North Carolina 10pm show - Wrong theater..

    by Sith42

    You must have been in one of the other theaters.. I was there at 10pm AMC as well, and there was no cheers during the fight scenes. Sure, there were some obvious teens hanging out in the lobby talking afterwards, but it wasn't a Star Trek convention or anything. :) My theater only had about 20-30 people stay after to watch the credits, it was pretty quiet for the most part. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad film per se, but there's some MAJOR errors with the film which I outlined above. -T

  • May 15, 2003, 4:24 p.m. CST

    GET LOADED THIS WEEKEND!

    by twitaman

    Harry, I really think your review was totally off the mark on this one. I loved this movie. I really did. Was it better than the first? No action movie can compare to the utter punch in the gut that was the first film. It caught everyone totally by surprise. But this movie, like The Empire Strikes Back does a lot to expand upon the universe that was created in the preceding adventure. I thought the story was intriguing, and I thought the fight scenes were tremendous set pieces that served the story well and not the other way round. Together both Matrix movies equal a one-two punch that sci-fi/fantasy fans haven't had since Star Wars and Empire (oh, and LoTRs). Now, let's just hope the third doesn't suck ass the way Return of the Jedi did.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:24 p.m. CST

    You're all a bunch of Agent Smiths

    by Curiously Strong

    Most of these talkbacks I've read have been nothing but duplicates of one another. I suggest that everyone go back and read what THETHREE and MINOS wrote...At least they bring some individuality to the board. Thanks for listening

  • May 15, 2003, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Grimloch

    by Barron34

    Thanks for the support. Truth is, I am fairly forgiving of any movie that manages to entertain me. I am sure that you know that if you want smart science-fiction, the best place to go is the library, not the mutli-plex. I do not generally go to the movies expecting to be enlightened or to be intellectually stimulated. I go to be entertained, and I am willing to put up with a certain amount of nonsense if the movie simply entertains. Nonsense can even be fun, if it knows it is silly and has internal logic and a well-designed story around it. Rubber science? Fine, as long as it tells a coherent and entertaining story. Silly philosophy? OK, as long as the action flows and the story doesn't derail. This is why I could enjoy the original Matrix, despite it's pretensions and hokiness. As a two-hour comic book, it worked. This new one crashed right out of the gate with 30 minutes of exposition. If they cut it out, left the original 5 minute Trinity dream and added a concise 5-10 minute Zion scene, and then cut right to the action in the Matrix itself, I would have been much more forgiving. Also, there were many characters with too much pseudo-philosophical BS expository dialogue (Morpheus in Zion, the old Counselor in Zion, the Oracle, the Merovingian, the Architect). To the filmmakers I say: don't try to explain your mvoie to me through character monlogues. That is not film. Show me what the world is through action, events, character behavior. In any case, I was quite aggravated by this movie, which seemed enamored with it's own pseudo-philosophical meanderings, instead of focusing on action, conflict, and drama. In sum, though, I think I have been a little harsh to some of the other posters, some of whom may be teenagers not mature enough to know the difference. If I saw the Matrix mvoies when I was 16, I might have been psyched about them too, so I should probably not be harsh to some of them regarding their opinions.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Vampires, Wolves, demons, etc

    by Shaner Jedi

    Everyone giving Harry hell for his complaints about the "rogue" programs inside the matrix that were brought up need to lay off. It would be different if Harry was watching the film and thought to himself "Hmmm, right about now I'd like to see some ghosts, phantoms, and demons". But, he didn't! The Wachowskis brought it up; and no, they didn't just mention them in passing either, they used that revelation for dramatic purposes, then DROPPED IT. That is poor writing.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Better than the bland original, but Matrix Fanboys still need to

    by Moriarity Report

    First of all, just because you don't like these films, doesn't mean you don't "get it" because THERE IS NOTHING REMOTELY COMPLICATED IN THESE FILMS! It's called SCIENCE FICTION folks, most people have experienced it before. These are all just basic, classic science fiction motifs. Geez, I never saw so many people blow their load over these things before. Stop acting like these movies actually invented any of these ideas. Do you know how many times these stories have been done in science fiction before? I'm happy these films make you feel "smart" but don't give yourself too much credit. They are designed for the general public. Having said that, I did enjoy the ideals about the nature of reality much more than I did in the original. But maybe my expectations are just higher because all of these ideas aren't new to me. Not that I'm any kind of expert on science fiction or computer or speculative physics, but that's the point really. You don't need to be. Okay then, anyway I much preferred the look of this film over the "gritty" (i.e., poorly shot) original. This was just a grand sci fi film in the classic sense. It was Logan's Run, it was The Time Machine (original version). And I make those comparisons in a positive light. It's not a revolutionary cinematic experience though. I understand though why many of you kids cling onto it like it was though, because you came into your own in the 1990s watching such suckfests as Waterworld, Event Horizon, Johnny Mnemonic; need I go on? So seeing something halfway decent that is new actually makes you cream yourselves, while in the meantime, the true cinematic innovator, Lucas keeps making classic Star Wars films and you ignore them because they're "old". The prequels offered more thought provoking or "smart" ideas than the Matrix did but you ignore it because of Jar Jar. And while I enjoyed the bigger fight scenes, they were all just mindless kung fu scenes. Harry is obviously right in this regard...the guy can do anything and this is continually established throughout the sequel. He FUCKING FLEW FROM FRANCE AT SUPERSONIC SPEEDS! SO you think that he couldn't just wave his hand and blast a few fuckers with one of his super powers? We all know why the Kung Fu fightin was there...because it looks cool. I really don't blame them for putting it in there because this is their contribution to American cinema. So they had to have more Kung Fu fightin in the sequel or people would have freaked. The fights kept me interested just because they were so beautifully filmed but there was no loss, the characters were just too damn invincible to get any kind of emotional satisfaction out of the fights. It's okay to enjoy these films, but please don't make excuses for their flaws, and sorry to break it to you, but they are flawed. This is why as much as these films will raise the bar, they are also lowering it because it's fans are too forgiving of it's mistakes. I enjoyed the original too, but it made too many mistakes for me to truly like it. But maybe people my age (30) have just been jaded by growing up with real classics like the first two Star Wars films, Raiders of the Lost Ark, the BTTF trilogy, Robocop, Aliens, etc., that anything that doesn't meet those standards doesn't quite do it for us. And oh yeah, Ravers didn't invent dancing either so please stop saying the dance scene was a rave. Yes, they played electronic music but what other type of music are they supposed to play in a futuristic sci fi film? Matrix didn't invent the ideas it presents and ravers didn't invent dancing!

  • May 15, 2003, 4:49 p.m. CST

    anyone else think the burly brawl music sounded a bit like the o

    by jules windex

    I of course only notice things like that at movies that bore me. Jesus, are they done talking yet? What a ponderous screenplay those guys wrote. It wasn't that confusing. I just didn't care what happened. If we are to believe the architect, then basically Martix 1 and 2 are irrelevant. If everything is pre-destined like that, then why are we watching? I'd assume part 3 will have Neo break that cycle, but it can't save this trilogy now. Loved the freeway scene and the burly brawl, and a couple of the characters were interesting, but that adds up to maybe 30 good minutes in a 2 and a half hour film. Morpheus sucked in this sequel. His speeches were overlong and stupid. Neo had nothing to do even. We all but learn his existence is as another puppet. Trinity had a few moments, but Moss is still so damn dull in this role. She was so much better in Memento. Liked Jada, liked Link. I think Aaliyah woulda done better than Nona Gaye did. Hugo Weaving was great. Oracle scene was good. The gross overuse of slo-mo irritated me. Rave scene was pathetic. Sex scene was laughable. Film overall was mediocrity in its purest form, and the Revolutions teaser does nothing to raise my hopes for a late franchise salvation.

  • May 15, 2003, 4:53 p.m. CST

    The Matrix: Reloaded has raped my childhood!

    by Atticus Finch

    Wow, that was thee most fucking overrated piece of shit I have ever seen in my life. And I'm obviously not the only one who thinks so. Some in the crowd I saw it with actually booed at the end! I have never heard that at a theater before. Seems like the majority are highly disappointed with this...so expect the next one to be a bigger bomb than the one that lit up Hiroshima!

  • May 15, 2003, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Carolignian

    by Barron34

    I disagree, but we can agree to disagree, perhaps. First, I think that the Matrix IS comic-book philosophy. It is fantasy. It is maybe most viable as a metaphor for deception: self-deception and the deception that is inherent in the social world. BUt really, it comes off as a variation on a Twilight Zone episode done up with cool special effects and wire-fu. And that's fine; Twilight Zone is cool. Mind-bending science-fiction is cool (when done well); it just is not really relevant to reality, but that is not the point; it is meant to be entertaining, not enlightening. I liked the first mvoie depsite the fact that the creators really seemed to take themselves seriously with the philosophy. The second movie fails for me because it fails to entertain me, drastically,becuase the first act of the mvoie is completely fucked. It is not a mvoie in the first act; it is exposition. I focus on the fact that the xpositon is nonsense, but the fact is most of the rationales are in the matrix are nonsense. That is really not the point. The rationales are just ways to explain why things happen in this fictional world. The rationales are silly, but we accept them, because they are fun and becuase they enhance the action by explaining a pseudo-cause for it. I onbject to taking the Matrix seriously. The tone seems to be that the explanations are real and valid. This is like the guys who write Star Trek stories actually believing that warp drive is a valid and serious idea. It's not, obviously. Matrix philosophy is no more real philosophy than Star Trek science is real science. Matrix philosophy is just a device to tell a fun story, just as Star Trek science is a device to tell a fun story. My point here is that the Matrix Reloaded is not even a fun story. In fact, it is defective as a movie story, since the first third of the movie holds no significant action or conflcit, and is all expostion. This is like writing a Star Trek movie and having the first third of it be just a bunch of Starfleet officers walking around a space station spouting technobabble about how important warp drives are. It is a bad story; in fact, it is not a story at all at that point. Matrix is suppossed to be science fiction action. The new mvoie fails as an action mvoie. Further, based upon the content of the expostion, I fear that the authors (and many viewers) are taking this "philosophy" aspect way, way too seriosuly. It's kind of creepy to me, and annoying. It would be like someone insisting on how important warp engines are. Matrix philopshy is no more real philosophy than Star Trek science is real sciience. They are devices to tell a story. If you want real science or real philosophy, read a philkosphy text or science book or take a college course in them. Matrix does crib ideas from real philosophy just as Star Trek draws ideas from real science. That doesn't make either real. The point is, tell us a rousing story! The new Matrix movie is jsut a deadly dull movie for 40 minutes, filled with Matrix-babble. The movie had cool visual and story elements later in the movie, but the first act killed any suspension of disbelief that I had, so I could not really enjoy the end of the film much. It seems to me if the writers took their own Matrix conceptsd a little less seriosuly, and focused on the basics of stroytelling, they would have re-written the fatally flawed first act. So, even though Matrix takes ideas from philosophy and re-packages them, it is should be done to serve a story. It fails to do so, in my opinion.

  • May 15, 2003, 5:01 p.m. CST

    I thought it was pretty good & FETT makes me ill.

    by zappaman

    Not a bad film if you're not expecting the re-invention of cinema. Sure, that's what Joel Silver said, but what the hell else would he say. And FETT, could you please shut the fuck up with your annoying "fan fiction"? You haven't seen the movie and you're gonna write what you would've done. WHO FUCKIN' CARES!? Were you ever contacted to write a script? Did anyone call you from the production to get your genius input? Jeez, now I see why everyone can't stand you. Fan fiction? Whatta tool....

  • May 15, 2003, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Matrix lamers/geeks turn out in droves in wee Thursday morning!!

    by FD Resurrected

    "Hundreds of 'Matrix' fans turn out for 3 a.m. show" http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,505033295,00.html? There should be the Ultimate Championship fighting match match between Matrix and Star Wars fanboys. Methinks I'll hold out for IMAX version come June...I'm sick of the hype now already. Give me plenty of time to lower my expectation and I might like the movie.

  • May 15, 2003, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Belongs in the Top Ten Worst Sequels Ever Made

    by Caligari

    I loved the orginal "Matrix." I saw it at special screening, didn't now anything about the movie and it blew me away. Of course, a sequel cannot repeat the "magic" of seeing the orginal, for the first movie. But what it can do is tell a compelling story. "Matrix Reloaded" bored me to tears. I and and a 1000 plus college students in the audience, spent the movie shifting in our seats, watching other people check their email/voice mail on their cell phones and try not to generally fall asleep. The problem is the action scenes are, of course, masterfully executed and Zion has a very cool look to it. For lack of a better term, the movie lacked "heart." The first movie expertly wove the philosophy, exposition, romance, action, Neo's journey, etc. into a thrilling story. In "Reloaded," the movie stops numerous times, dead in its tracks, as characters philosophize endlessly or deliver exposition (I think Neo's primary role in the movie is to endlessly ask "what, where, how and why" questions). The movie was almost cold, in the way it placed technology, action and philosophy over an engaging story and characters to care about, so the philosophy et al. means something. For example, at the end... SPOILERS! ... when Neo meets the architect, the movie screeches to a damn halt, while the architect emits some techno/philosophical mumbo jumbo about whatever. However, at the moment, Trinity is getting her ass kicked and in danger of dying... but the movie refuses to build up any kind of suspense, energy, because it wants to stop everything for long, dry conversations about who the fuck cares. All the while, I'm wanting to see what happens to Trinity, and not listen to talk, talk, talk, And those digital stuntment were glaringly awful. Even "Episode II" knew to hide them in shadows, for the most part. Also, in the "Matrix," the machines had a palpable sense of evil to them: the human embryo farms, for example. In this movie, Neo just fights agents and such (and easily wins everyone), but the machines never have that strong sense of villainy, like in the first movie. The kind that generates strong suspense, where you worry about the characters, the "oh shit how are they going to get out of this one," moments. Overall, a cold, calculating summer action movie, which no heart or soul. Excuse me, I'm going to go watch my "Matrix" DVD right now.

  • May 15, 2003, 5:49 p.m. CST

    MY review is more important than yours ;P

    by RobSOLF

    OK, I got about halfway thru the board, here, and skipped to the bottom. Call me lazy. Let me simply say that for the most part, I didn't see the flick as you did, Harry. Not gonna give you crap about it. But I will say that in reading both reviews, it seems obvious to me, that you took some very important footage far too literally. No, the Oracle did not promise Werewolves and Vampires, Demons and Angels(oh, my!). Someone already explained this point. What my point will be is that The Matrix was a Kung Fu/Sci Fi action flick. You can say that Neo fighting supernatural beings with Kung Fu is cheezy, but Kung Fu is a huge part of what this and the last movie was all about. And quite frankly, if I ever see Neo do away with the Kung Fu and make with the Holy Water, Crucifix, and Silver Bullets, I'll never find a better moment to declare CHEEZ in my life. This was a BRILLIANT flick. It twisted The Matrix on its' back, and has left those of us who were paying attention guessing. Everybody keeps talking about how chaotic it was, as though this was a bad thing. Chaos is what happens when the rabbithole goes EXTREMELY deep, and has yet another flick on the horizon to shape itself out in. We're left with a whole different perception of "The One", and a Neo who unexplainedly has super duper powers in "real life". Or is it? People who took that scene so literally seem to have forgotten what this movie was about in the first place: Perception and Reality. And, of course, Kung Fu. The "link" between Neo and Anderson is brilliant. To think the idea probably surfaced when one of the brothers got a "crosslinked files" error during a Scandisk on their PC. Beeeyuuutyful. So, in summary: Sure, maybe what'll happen in the next flick is that Neo will wake up, be able to use Kung Fu, fly, and bend spoons in "reality". He'll blow up all the squids with his mind, and save Zion. If you think that's all the guys who concieved "The Matrix" have up their sleeves, then you obviously aren't the fans you claim to be. Me, I think the rabbithole goes much, much deeper. Maybe I'm wrong. I doubt it. I'm probably wrong about where this rabbithole is going, but that's what makes the flick so cool. And one thing is certain, none of us will really find out until the 3rd flick comes out. So how about saving all the bellyachin' until then, huh? Then, when it all comes together and makes perfect sense, you won't look stupid. -Rob, SOLF PS. Just to be hip and cool like all the cynics, I'll declare that yes, I could've survived without the rave, but it will serve as a nice bathroom break time during later viewings. And yes, I thought the Trinity rezz scene was a bit cheezy, too, but then I wasn't big on the Neo rezz scene in the first flick. But it's all but a little corn flake in my bowl of fruity pebbles. Have a groovy day.

  • May 15, 2003, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Why Harry is wrong

    by VanHouten

    This is a post that I placed at the end of Harry's first review. I felt it necessary to post it here for this discussions as well (with a few corrections and additions at the end): Just got out of the movie. The overwhelming reality of the situation is that it was, without question, one of the best movies I have ever seen. Incredible. So good that it got me thinking, why the negative reviews. What is up with Harry's review. Minor spoilers ahead so beware. Looking at the makeup of my theater, it was mostly punk ass kids. The last 30 minutes of the movie is very deep and complex on a philosophical level. The bottom line is that most of these type people just aren't going to get it, and maybe Harry had difficulty with the meaning. Why I say this is based on some quotes in his review. Why the basic kung-fu. Why can't Neo free the people like in his speech at the end of the Matrix. Why? Because the Matrix is not what everyone believed it to be. It was not 1000 years in the future, it may have been 1,000,000 years in the future and has been manipulating reality for centuries. Maybe the people that did not like it want their answers spoon fed to them in movies. This movie does not spoon feed shit. There is no spoon. But remember people, it is still just a kung-fu movie at heart. It's like people wanting character development and emotion in Planet of the Apes. That is a movie about fucking talking monkeys. Watch it and enjoy it, just realize that if you flunked college philosophy, you might have trouble with certain concepts such as the nature of God, the complexity of mathematics, etc., and maybe people just don't want that in their kung-fu movie. I thought it rocked. There could be another reason, or an aggravating factor, if you will. I refuse to watch any previews or read reviews of any kind prior to watching a film. Harry does not. It could be that some set pieces or scenes lacked the element of surprise. It could also be the playa-hata syndrome: it is cool to hate what is cool. I don't know. The final point is this: if you like smart action films and enjoyed the first Matrix, you will love this movie; just don't check your I.Q. at the door. My fear is that there is going to be an intelligent fan of sci-fi that is going to read some negative reviews and skip one of the most thought provoking action films of all time. Now, this is not to say that only a genious will enjoy it (everyone I went with loved it) or only smart people need apply (almost the entire theater loved it, and many were no doubt befuddled by the complexity of the story), but don't stay away due to negative reviews. And, remember, it is still just a sci-fi, kung-fu flick. The best analogy that I can use (and it really does not fit) is that the first Matrix is to the book Dune what the second Matrix is to the book God Emperor of Dune (not the movie or TV shows). The second Matrix adds a very complex analysis of God, the messiah concept, mathematics, and purpose of being that is not in the first Matrix. Many people will have difficulty with this and be intimidated. I must also point out that the scenes having nothing to do with the metaphysical are kick ass as well. There has never been a car chase as cool as this. The special effects in the action scenes have to be seen to be believed. Ignore the negative reviews. Go see this before anyone has a chance to ruin it for you, and thank God thay made an action movie for smart people. One final note, I am a movie nerd. Yes, I admit it. I like shit like the X-Men, Star Wars, and other event movies. That is why I come to this site. That is why I have trusted Harry's views in the past (hated the idiocy that was xXx, however). I thought Harry was a champion of the big budget event movies as well. Nevertheless, I will now view everything from this point further on this site with extreme scepticism. Now go see the movie for yourself.

  • May 15, 2003, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Barron

    by Rumpleforeskin

    I apologize for coming across like a jerk in my post. I don't know what got into me. You sound like a pretty fair-minded individual, not at all like the typical "Beat you over the head with my superior intellect" type that I usually lose my patience over. I really shouldn't be jumping on anyone since I haven't seen the movie yet. Again, I apologize. While I never thought of the first Matrix movie as high art, I thought it was visually entertaining, it was a "comic" book brought to life and one of the few genre movies that had some relative depth to it. We live in the age of the blockbuster trilogys, and devil beware anyone who fails to capture that initial lightning in the bottle for the second and third movie. I can't honestly think of any popular film franchise that hit a high note with every venture. Indiana Jones, nope The Original Star Wars, nope Batman, Nope Superman,nope Godfather, nope Jaws, nope etc etc Unless your sequels have characters named Buzz and Woody in it, its probably going to have some fizzles along the line. I'm not going to be too upset if this movie doesn't hit me in the right spot because I'm just happy someone can make the attempt at putting large scale genre on the big screen. Anyway, in closing, I just wanted to apologize to Barron. Peace

  • May 15, 2003, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Barron, 1 more time

    by Rumpleforeskin

    I apologize for coming across like a jerk in my post. I don't know what got into me. You sound like a pretty fair-minded individual, not at all like the typical "Beat you over the head with my superior intellect" type that I usually lose my patience over. I really shouldn't be jumping on anyone since I haven't seen the movie yet. Again, I apologize. While I never thought of the first Matrix movie as high art, I thought it was visually entertaining, it was a "comic" book brought to life and one of the few genre movies that had some relative depth to it. We live in the age of the blockbuster trilogys, and devil beware anyone who fails to capture that initial lightning in the bottle for the second and third movie. I can't honestly think of any popular film franchise that hit a high note with every venture. Indiana Jones, nope The Original Star Wars, nope Batman, Nope Superman,nope Godfather, nope Jaws, nope etc etc Unless your sequels have characters named Buzz and Woody in it, its probably going to have some fizzles along the line. I'm not going to be too upset if this movie doesn't hit me in the right spot because I'm just happy someone can make the attempt at putting large scale genre on the big screen. Anyway, in closing, I just wanted to apologize to Barron. Peace

  • May 15, 2003, 6:35 p.m. CST

    All I Know Is That I Totally Dug The Part Where Neo & His Friend

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...but even though I'm not a homophobe, I found the homoerotic subtext between Neo and that Bank Robbin Surfer to be a little off-putting. However, I completely cracked up when Trinity's Mom went to the Zion Photomat and accidently picked up those developed snapshot of Neo and Trinity when they decided to "record our luv!"

  • May 15, 2003, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Underwhelming?

    by Truman_Burbank

    Very smart move, Harold, taking off the first headline of your Matrix Reloaded review, saying you were under whelmed. That movie was un fucking believably bad ass. If there is one word that would be the absolute farthest thing from an accurate description of that movie, it's underwhelming. I really don't need, or want, to make my points as to why this movie is not only the best of the year, but better than the first and puts this trilogy ahead of LOTR and possibly ahead of the Holy Trilogy itself. Like Morpheus says, "The beliefs of others are of no concern within what I believe." I guess what I'm saying is, fuck critics. Fuck forced ideologies, forced opinions, forced decisions. That's what this movie is about, on a very very surface level. If that can't be appreciated, I apologize. Sucks to be you. Anyone who can get more out of Episode II than Matrix Reloaded is a dipshit, in my book. There's just nothing else to it. Fuck critics. I just saw one of the best movies EVER made, as well as one of the most important and, hopefully, influential. I know it is with me. Underwhelming? AICN, I bid you adieu. Nice knowing ya.

  • May 15, 2003, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Get Over IT!!!!!

    by Betacon02

    Getting mad over Zion being predominately black. To me it just balances movies like "When Worlds Collide" where the Earth is destroyed and only 44 people escape to restart life on another planet and each and every one of them is WHITE!!!

  • May 15, 2003, 6:57 p.m. CST

    oh god

    by gogjugger

    Why can't the people who liked this movie think of any justification for liking it other than, "IT KICKS ASS!!!" Why? Because they're morons. This movie is insulting to fans of the original. Awful CG. It looked like Spiderman. The original Bullet Time was amazing, why take a step backwards four years later?

  • May 15, 2003, 6:57 p.m. CST

    I agree with Harry unfortunatley....

    by simongarth2001

    ugh..........I dont know really what to think of reloaded........I got really bored for the first 40 minutes except for the big brawl.....then I got bored again....then there was the highway thing which I wasnt real impressed with...it had brilliant moments, but as a whole I think "To live and die in LA" and "French Connection" was as good. (and without cgi) Then there was all that talk BY the white haired architect which made my brain hurt............then the ending which made everybody in the theatre look around and ask the person next to them.........what the hell was that?? so.........I guess it was above average, with real boring shit, and some good fight scenes that had brilliant little bits here and there. At the very end of the credits was a preview to the next one.........looked like more of the same shit. I wanted to get my balls kicked by this sucker. Instead, my balls fell asleep for most of it. I do say that the action and fights was very cool....and If I don't see that level of coolness in future superhero type flicks, then I will be pissed. Theres now NO reason they can't do stuff like that. Unfortunatley, some cool fights does't a great sequel make. so I guess I give it a 7 out of 10...........and all the 7 goes to the action. without that, it would be a 1. I think word of mouth will nip it in the bud. People will go to see for themselves........but it won't be one of those where you see it 5 times. I don't think it meets all that hype. but I sure wished it had.....at least for me.

  • May 15, 2003, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Man/Machine Symbiosis?

    by NeoPlatonist

    Matrix... hmmm... what to say. Great fights. GREAT fights. Cool effects. But it came down to the big studio producer shoving his gratuities in front of the concept. Thank our lucky stars we have a Matrix at all I say, and I'll try and overlook the obvious greed leaking through. A little clunky on the character development which I know they strived to achieve. I think they succeeded, but it was a little OBVIOUS. All that Dozer, Tank, background to explain why they axed that actor, and replaced him with Harold Perinneau/LINK etc. It was clunky and obvious to me and his goofy Star Wars-esque remarks completely dopey. I much prefered the tension and edgy suspense of the orig Matrix, to the we know our heroes will survive Hans Solo jokes of Link. The obvious catering to the 18 yr old horny male -- i.e. the gratuitous orgy in the cave/Neo-Trinity making love scene. I found it manipulative, although it was hot indeed. But still. Lot's of women's breasts in skin tight sheer wrap-arounds sweating and rubbing up against any guy available. Puhleeze. Don't get me wrong, you KNOW I like women's tits, but I kinda just rolled my eyes at the obvious studio exec marketing guy adding in the pubescent adolescent male bogus cave rave. It cheapened Morpheus' two big inspiring the troops speeches, to have them all fighting for drunken Mardi Gras whores. Sorry my brothers! I will admit that Merovingian's birdseye view of that hot blond at Le Vrai (Tony Mussett) -- i.e., her hoohaw digitally exploding -- was very nice indeed. But you get my point. Had nothing to do with the story really. Just in there to give nerdy high school guy's boners. Oh and maybe a couple of nerdy guys like me.... The Smith/Neo fight went on a bit long in my opinion, although yes it was VERY cool. Ditto the freeway chase, although YES the twins blew up GREAT! Not quite sure why they could finally die when they did change into banshee form again, but okay, they needed to at least go away for now. Neo's flying/superman thing was really good fun, although the point was made that he shoulda been able to jump thru the portal more quickly when the twin closed it. Of particular interest was the past/present/future scene with the ship captains meeting with Morpheus before going to sabotage the power grid, (his rather melodramatic speech to them), their being attacked in their ships, and their then being thwarted in turning off the power, which necessitated Trinity breaking her promise to Neo and entering the Matrix. Neato idea to simulataneously edit together all three time frames -- confusing for sure, but cool. I'm sure there's lots of fun footage about Niobe and the other Captain's back stories and travails going after the power plants and being attacked on their ships. Not enuf time for it all -- again the studio no doubt suggested it be edited down to what we saw on screen. I did NOT enjoy the "kid" from Animatrix being introduced clumsily and never fully realized or explained. Made Neo seem like a jerkwad to patronize him so. I felt as though the big studio got in the way a bit. "Oh we've got a blockbuster! Give'em anything they want, just put in bigger fights and some titties so that we can make even MORE money. Those brothers are nuts, but toss 'em a bone and let 'em add some lore and character in for the eggheads, but keep it moving!" My fave moments were moments of "lore" and "story" and "character". The character support was clunky in my opinion, but I liked it being there. The Oracle scene, her explaining the aberrant "programs" and their being described somewhat sophmorically as ghosts and vampires was pretty cool. And the oh so telling "red pill" to track Neo? I like her anyway, so whenever she mindtrips Neo, I'm a happy guy. The keyman and the multi-dimensional "doors" that help you to jump around. And yes, loved the "Architect" and his fucking with Neo's choices. LOVED that and yes, most of it went over my head too -- will have to see it again for the last 20 minutes. The philosophy of Councillor Hamann (Anthony Zerbe), about humans needing machines on the engineering level, although a tad heavyhanded, was cool. Smith's explanation of his being reborn with bits of Neo in his programming was cool, as was his becoming "human", but then they dropped the ball on Smith and he became incongruous as a pop up villain of no real consequence except to create a diversion to the Source/Architect. My guess is Smith will become more human and more of Neo's reflection in Part 3. Neo being able to kill machines, and yet being knocked unconscious/hurt by it -- a very telling detail. Okay, so now we know that the machines and the humans need a symbiotic relationship to survive. The people need the machines and the machines need the people. If the Matrix crashes, billions will die. Neo is a planned and on-purpose way to keep enough free choice in the program so that the majority will acquiesce. A minority is allowed to exist for a while, to be the exception that proves the rule, and to give them the illusion of free choice. But when the allowed glitch begins to exponentially liberate itself, it's time to reset the program and Neo is the hotpatch. This is the 6th time that Zion has gotten too big for its britches, and the 6th Neo to be allowed to be born. Okay. Obviously, OUR Neo will be the "New" one who beats the Architect at his own game. But will it ultimately be a truce? A symbiosis? Man created this Frankenstein and now needs it? Hmmm... my guess is maybe so. And I suppose that's part of the "point". Is this the Oracle's ultimate plan? To outwit the Architect and create the golden age of man-machine love? So I felt slightly manipulated by the obvious big studio marketing bullshit included, but enjoyed it thorougly nevertheless and am gonna definitely pony up 10 bucks to see "TO BE CONCLUDED"...

  • May 15, 2003, 6:59 p.m. CST

    shifting around

    by Reverb

    The first movie was a miracle out of nowhere. It was red hot, never boring. This one is a lumbering, talky sci-fi mess but it's still cool at the end. I just wish they'd cut 20 min. and that Zion wasn't so lame - we were all shifting around in our seats waiting for the pace to pick up. The Jada subplot and that City Councilman guy just sucked nuts. Yet all the opinions spouted off here make it clear that the bros. are still doing something right. Thanks to Minos for the computer analysis, and Thethree just reminded me why I hate windbag attorneys. I'll probably watch this pic again before I go see the third one, but some of the sheen is off the rose.

  • May 15, 2003, 7 p.m. CST

    Guess Lucas doesnt weep after all...

    by Bong

    hahahaha...what a big burn all you fanboys had wetdreams about this schlock for years and you got even more horny when that fatso SIlver came on saying this would set the bar...NOT.. I saw the film and what a huge disappointment...just stupid mindless kung-fu..yawn..boring....

  • May 15, 2003, 7:01 p.m. CST

    About Tank

    by Jack Burton

    I haven't seen Reloaded yet, I'm going Saturday and have had tix for 2 weeks, well before the negative reviews. But I agree with Harry that Tank was a great character. When I watched it again recently, I realized why. Tank was born in the real world, has never been in the Matrix, and wants to fight the machines to win. That's pretty much his motivation. The part where he talks to Neo before the kung fu training is one of the best in the movie. When he says "If you are what they say, then man, it's very exciting! Let's get to work." He doesn't have preconceptions about Neo. He HOPES he is The One, but takes him as another weapon in the war. For some reason his scenes resonate.

  • On my second viewing of the Matrix : Reloaded, I picked up on something I hadn't noticed in the first viewing. When the architect is telling Neo about the "mother of the Matrix" ... Neo repiles by saying "The Oracle" ... the Architect then says "Pahleeese!" dismissing either the NAME Oracle, or what I think, the idea that the ORACLE is the mother of the Matrix. See, I look at it this way, going back to the Christ undertones of the first movie. I believe the ORACLE is GOD... the Architect is the DEVIL (father of LIES). What is the BEST way to keep someone out of the source, that you can't by force? To LIE to them, to tell them thier GOD doesn't really love them, that if he entered the SOURCE that it would HELP them! Lies, lies lies... he KNEW that NEO wouldn't choose to do that. He made the choice too emotional for NEO... either HELP TRINITY, or HELP US. It's like when the devil tempted Jesus for 40 days. Anyway, that's my take on the whole scene with the Architect. He's lucifer.

  • May 15, 2003, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Insight and TheEnigma...

    by JCormier

    Despite his terrible grammar and spelling, TheEnigma is correct; Harry seems to have missed many of the finer points of the film. Harry has repeatedly said that his favorite scenes are those between the Architect and Neo and Neo and the Oracle; however, his notes on these scenes were brief and cursory at best. Add to that his obvious confusion over some other aspects of the film (Zion being destroyed) and it makes me wonder if perhaps his problem is a simple lack of understanding. The new characters in this film were, for the most part, insightful and enjoyable, but as the world of the Matrix grew in scope, so did it in complexity. The Architect's dialogue with Neo in the "Source" was very dense, and rapidly delivered, and one could understandably become easily confused--it took me a few moments myself. Nonetheless, his revelations to The One are jarring at the least. Harry complains that the Wachowskis have not followed the rules they set up in the first film in Reloaded; well, as the film proves, those rules are basically inconsequential at this point, as everything we have been led to believe vis-a-vis the first film has been torn down around us by the second. I left the theatre in a sort of philosophical haze; I can't even describe how epiphanical and revelatory and dark and cool were the feelings the film left me with. Reloaded, at times, did lack the noir charm of the first one, but we must consider that perhaps the directors felt that the themes and revelations involved in the story were dark enough; if that is the case, what we in fact have is a clever chiaroscuro motif. As for Neo and his supposed failure to live up to his potential powers, that is just nonsense. Again, TheEnigma is right; as causality is one of the great themes of the film, we must assume that there is a reason Neo didn't simply jump inside Agent Smith(s). Also, perhaps it was meant to show the futility that still permeates their situation. Or, maybe it is a case of Obi-Wan-not-using-super-speed-to-save-Qui-Gon; perhaps doing what he did at the end of the first film requires concentration and intent, and Neo simply didn't have the time or opportunity to do so. Perhaps the fact that he is, in fact, still just a human being, limits his powers through a limited scope. The most insightful thing in Harry's initial review was his comment that perhaps Neo has erected barriers around his abilities, preventing true omnipotence. Whatever the case, Reloaded is a far greater film than Harry gives it credit for; our dear Headgeek has forgotten that the willing suspension of disbelief involves not only suppression of skepticism, but the inspiration of imagination and willing immersion in the world the film presents. I was certainly intrigued and drawn in; I sit here still wondering if perhaps the Wachowskis have many more tricks up their sleeves, wondering what I missed that I'll see upon my next viewing, wondering exactly what happened when Neo stopped those sentinels and what it meant....wondering if I can wait the next six or so months until all my questions are answered.

  • May 15, 2003, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Harry, maybe the people were in awe of the film.

    by Puddin' Taine

    Maybe thats why they weren't cheering and whooping like some slack jawed yokels.

  • May 15, 2003, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Why people think it isn't any good

    by Lotus123

    I personally feel this is a case of high expectations. Like

  • May 15, 2003, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Taking a shot at plotholes for anal critics: PLEASE RESPOND

    by Son Bravo

    Persiphone is definetely hot in publicity shots, but after watching her gorgious figure slink around that resturant/mansion lobby, she lost a lot of appeal to me. I need to see more! And for those that dont seem to understand why Neo can't stop Agent Smith, it's because he really isn't an agent anymore! They couldnt read him in the code, and also the agents at the beginning of the film are "upgrades" and since everyone is trying to get back to their ships after the meeting, perhaps Neo wanted to distract the agents so that everyone could get out of the Matrix in time. Hey, these guys arent a threat to Neo anymore, he can handle them. So during the Agent Smith fight, Neo has just spoke with the Oracle, who dropped many psuedo-bombshells on him, and now Agent Smith drops a bombshell on Neo, and how he is a rogue program as well. Neo does NOT understand everything as he is told it, he is not a god, he is a human being with human emotions, a point this movie tried to establish, and I believe they did a great job of it. Neo saves his friends because he is the only one who can. My crowd loved it, I loved it, I want more soon. JUNE 6 IMAX MADDA FACKUS!!! Please respond with your thoughts to my ideas.

  • May 15, 2003, 7:42 p.m. CST

    To those who complain about what they don't understand...

    by JonQuixote

    Arrogance. Not bad, because we all suffer from it. But perhaps you should consider that you haven't been given all the information (or didn't pick it up) about how the MATRIX works. Why can Neo stop bullets but not bad guys? Perhaps the bullet program or the code for them is simpler, and easier to manipulate. With so much care and attention being put into this movie - far more than 99% of the other movies not based on a Tolkein book - wouldn't it strike you as odd that the Wachowski's would overlook such glaring inconsistancies? To me, Neo seemed pretty consistant in what he could and couldn't do. Maybe you should relax, ease a few inches of the Nerd Stick out of your butt, and stop crying that your hand wasn't held and they didn't walk you through every little fucking nuance of the movie. It's like Morpheus said at the beginning, if you want to go along, you have to trust him. Basically he was speaking for the brothers. Those who give themselves over to the movie, get to enjoy one hell of a motion picture experience. Those who don't, who resist and whine and kick and bitch...well, they're the ones who lose.

  • May 15, 2003, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Movie remined me of remake of "Planet of the Apes"

    by hailredskins

    Yep, after thinking a little more about last nights viewing, I came to the realization that this movie paralleled Tim Burton's remake waaay too closely. Cool costumes, elaborate environments, good director(s) in place- yet somehow the movie became a convoluted mess: with way too much boring political talk (apes enslaving humans/robots enslaving humans), some unintentional laughable situations (ape girl falling for Marky Mark/Neo loving Trinity so much he gives her a heart massage), big overblown battle scenes (massive army of apes charging in overwhelming numbers/Road Warrior freeway battle scene with overwhelming numbers), and top it off with a cheesy cliched ending (crash land on the Lincoln Memorial steps of Washington Ape, D.C./side by side coma pan of Agent Smith in disguise with Neo) So there you have it, reheated "Planet of the Apes"- "Reloaded" will have the highest grossing weekend....and then disappear into oblivion, just like Apes.

  • May 15, 2003, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Grimloch, you are my new hero!

    by Atticus Finch

    I was applauding by the end of your latest gem. Bravo! Hopefully there are more rants to come, as The Shitrix fans need to be bitch-slapped back to reality, if all the negative reviews haven't done that already. It is only Thursday of its first weekend, and already this "film" (and I use that term loosely) is widely being proclaimed as "one of the biggest disappointments of all time"!

  • May 15, 2003, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Harry, fuck you...

    by BYOBkenobi

    This is his egocentric way of fucking with the heads of those who have not seen it yet. It's his turn to make waves and implant his negativity in our brains. Harry knows that most people who lurk here are deeply influenced by his words and thusly come out of a screening with the same baggage Harry does because thats what he told them. I really feel bad for those who can't form their own opinion and have to judge solely on the fact that they want to be in his guild of shitty secret handshake fuckheads who have to hate everything cool. I have not seen the movie yet but I've seen him exhibit this behavior before with so many movies. He is getting a rise out of you because it generates traffic in talkback, gets his name out there which = more cash for him and his shitty advertising check. Fuck you Harry, tell us how you really feel.

  • May 15, 2003, 7:55 p.m. CST

    I'm not gonna criticize Harry's opinion or anyone else's negativ

    by ILoveEwksAndJJar

    Reloaded was not like the Matrix. It was something else altogether. I think that's why people lean negatively towards it, they expected it to be just like the first one. It wasn't. The only way I can describe it is like The Matrix was just the prolouge, Reloaded is the first chapter. The Matrix was made to set up what the Matrix was, to set up who Neo was, introducing to us the world and characters. Now that all is explained, rekoaded is allowed to be what it wants to be. Not a movie about cool graphics and costumes. But a movie about an ongoing war. Some of the coolness from the first movie was lost in the transfer. This movie was definitely more gritty, even though all the shots were brightly illuminated. It was the sense that was gritty, not the picture. THIS is what The Matrix is all about. Reloaded was so damn cool, it just was. Zion, the characters, the new plots and twists, the battles, the Matrix confrontations, it was all cool. Like I said, the prolouge is finished, and now we're getting the essence of what the Matrix is. The rave scene I dug, also the cake scene, simply 'cause it was in the movie. To love a movie is to love all of it. You love Ewoks and you love JJar simply because its part of the Star wars universe. I missed Tank. Link was cool, and so were all the new characters, but Tank was better.The fights were REALLY cool, and they WERE better than the first. The Burly Brawl RULED! CGI or not, it looked realistic enough, as good as it gets. My favorite battle, it was the best fight sequence in The Matrix triology yet! Some people said that they felt no tension during the fights. I thought Morpheus was gonna die against the agent. He was an agent! It dosen't get more dangerous than that. so many close calls. And what about the fight with Seraph? That was tres cool, reminiscent of the dojo fight. I dug the fact that it was at a sweep meet. The guest star cameo was also cool. That's right...The Spoon. I LOVED THE MOBILE SUIT.

  • May 15, 2003, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Very sad, weak attempt at a sequel

    by smoky_ostrich

    All the people I have seen rant and rave about this movie here and on imdb.com are simply doing it, IMO, to be different from the rest of the people who are honest about what they saw. This movie is complete and utter crap in comparison to "The Matrix" and I'm disappointed to say so. To those trying to wax intellectual about how you "understand" this movie on a level above most others PLEASE...get over yourself. There is nothing philosophically important about this film and there is no message at all other than a sad attempt at making us belive fucking and lust is a good thing by trying to portray it as "love." I pretty much needed a pillow for the first 45 minutes and that is sad considering that this is a sequel. To the moron that said we should "expect" a slow start....what the hell are you smoking? The first 45 minutes of explination were necessary in the first film because well uhhhh....it's the first film. You know you kind of need to explain things in a "first film." This is not needed in a sequel when you know what is going on and you are ready for the action...which did not present itself for quite some time. The acting was so below subpar and the only one's that even remotely began to carry over their image from the first were Neo and Trinity. Morpheus was trying way too hard to be well "hard." The scene in Zion with the Roman orgy based hedonistic sex fest wannabe rave scene was an atrocity. The soundtrack was horrible. Everything was a cheesy manufactured sell out techno beat...mostly coming from the top sell out himself Mr. Oakenfold. The movie did have some decent parts. The special effects were good at times but WAY overdone like many have already stated. Being able to tell Neo was completely CG was a big let down for me and the friends I viewed the film with. All in all I would give it a 3/5 stars and that is being extremely generous. This is not one that I will be returning to the theater to see. The funny thing is that after seeing the preview, and before seeing the film last night, I was pretty convinced I would be seeing this fix to six times in the theaters. The originality of the first no longer exists and I have lost faith in the Wachowski brothers.

  • May 15, 2003, 8:07 p.m. CST

    I loved it

    by CheesUsHChrist

    The action was good, but the story is where this one excelled. It took all that was established in the first one and threw it on its ass. I think the reason the Agents can dodge bullets but not fists is that once the bullets leave the gun their trajectory is completely determined, whereas fists can constanly change trajectories for those who are skilled. Also explains why Neo can stop them but has a harder time fighting swords and hands on battles. Cant wait for Revolutions. Spoiler:

  • May 15, 2003, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Harry wants to be jerked off by a movie.

    by Batutta

    He can't appreciate a real story. His reviews always get bogged down into the details of the movie, not the overall picture. He's like the 5 year old who comes out saying "I liked this and that and that and that..." but is unable to process the larger meanings. He just wants his dick stroked every couple of minutes by something 'kewl'. The Matrix Reloaded is only half a movie, and I am excited by the way the story is developing so far. The most valid criticism is that the action scenes aren't integrated into the story enough, but I only think that's true in the first half. Everything from the finding of the keymaker on built well, with complications and escalating stakes in play. But, because it's the first half of a two parter, the stakes don't build to a rousing climax like the first film did. And the Zion stuff isn't that bad. Just ordinary. Stuff we've seen before in other sci-fi movies. But it isn't poorly executed. And Harry's complaint about there not being vampires because the Oracle mentioned the possibility is ridiculous. It was clear to me they were preparing us for the ghost-like twins, and Perspehone and the Merovingian (or however that's spelled), rogue programs. Not that we would literally be seeing vampires and werewolve which would be like a bad Abbott and Costello movie. Harry's a movie glutton...he wants nothing but junk food and desserts. Me, I'll take the seven course meal, even if I have to wait six months to eat the whole thing.

  • May 15, 2003, 8:10 p.m. CST

    BoxofficeMojo.com is taking shots at AICN and Harry

    by AlwaysThere

    Those jackasses over there are predicting 115million over the weekend. Plus they say that Harry is a hack and a bitch for disliking their beloved movie. Fuck 'em.

  • May 15, 2003, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Matrix Reloaded was okay, X2 was better

    by joshuaonenine

    I though that MR was okay, but to me it did present anything new. It was like watching an extended version of the first one. I think X2 was better story wise because it brought something new , and explored each character equally, whereas the Matrix had slomo wirefu and Agent Smith who made the movie!!! I agree with Harry, the movie was just plain to me. I think what made more mad about MR was that stupid ending, it looked more like an ending to a tv show or something, oh yeah the revolutions trailer looked okay tooo!

  • May 15, 2003, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Just saw it. I thought it was actually pretty good. (Spoilers)

    by Psyclops

    Didn't think it was as good as the first (which I LOVED) but it didn't seem to fall apart like I was expecting it to. It had some great stunts, action, visuals... all the eye candy that a summer popcorn movie should deliver. I had a good time and I guess that's all I could really ask for. I liked the twists at the end of the movie, that final shot before 'TO BE CONCLUDED' hits the screen, the architect (who looked like Colonel Sanders evil twin), the way Agent Smith has evolved into a vengeful entity, the freeway chase was good, the way Neo revives Trinity. It delivered on the thrills but didn't quite reach that same level as the original. I absolutely HATED the dance/sex scene, I thought it was pointless and stupid. The totally CGI fight between Neo and the Smiths sucked and took me out of the movie. That's pretty much it, I thought it was a blast.

  • May 15, 2003, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Epic??

    by smoky_ostrich

    "A small movie next to the epic Matrix Reloaded????" LOL. Ok. Putting the word epic in the same sentence with Matrix Reloaded is pure blasphemy. This however is just my opinion.

  • May 15, 2003, 8:26 p.m. CST

    X2 was boring and childish

    by mastahkaz

    Something I still dont understand, was it Neo that stopped the sentinals at the end or had the incoming ship let of an EMP charge at that same moment causing the sentinals to drop but making it look as if Neo did it?

  • Geez, Knowles... why don't you just shut your fucking pie-hole or at least stuff another ho-ho into it and shut up. Mad that Joel Silver didn't buy you a hooker? You didn't get any free trips out of it? Didn't get any presents. You are so lame. Keep sitting there in your little world and keep dreaming that someone bought your book--- Why don't you go read the reviews of it on AMAZON.COM oh my, look how many used ones are for sale... guess it's been remaindered by the publisher and people want rid of it. Remember: right hand for wacking off and the left hand to stuff Hostest treats into your gaping maw !

  • May 15, 2003, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Way off

    by Verbal102

    I really appreciate this site because it is about the only place I know of to hear feed back from people who relish this sort of stuff, but now I am starting to wonder whose opinions we are basing our conversations one. I don

  • May 15, 2003, 8:35 p.m. CST

    You know I'd never thought I'd say this but..

    by Thumper2k1

    I agree with most of what Harry said but I did like the movie. I thought the first movie was a good action movie that was overhyped, and Reloaded is pretty much the same thing. The first half-hour in Zion, sucked big time, I don't know how anyone can defend those piece of shit scenes. But once they got back into the Matrix, the movie definately picked up.

  • May 15, 2003, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Reloaded is stunning - and will be the most discussed and debate

    by Amy Chasing

    Reloaded is far more thought provoking than its predecessor - so much so that I think it will succeed in alienating much of its audience (as I feel it already has with many of the people on this site). It isn't just a straight-forward story like the first film (which is exactly what the first film needed to be), instead it expands and explores everything introduced in the first film - what exactly makes Neo, The One? How does Zion function, and why? Now that we know what the Matrix is, does its influence end when you leave it? Remember what was said in the first film. Listen to what is said in this film. It all makes sense - It all comes together. When Morpheus said "The Matrix is about control", he defines it more accurately than he knows. Personally, I think both films are just simply the perfect adaptation of anime to live-action ever! The brilliantly executed stunts; the complexity of the plot carried through the film not just via exposition but by all the subtle nuances of the characters and dialogue; the style - at once both over-the-top and eerily beautiful. Can't wait for Revolutions!

  • May 15, 2003, 8:41 p.m. CST

    harry's reviews

    by hnybunny22

    harry..ive been coming to your website for at least a couple of years and i gotta say this is the first time i ever felt the need to write back about something you posted...i was able to watch Reloaded last nite and am going back for a second view tomorrow nite...i raced home from work today to read your review b/c i knew you loved the matrix as much as me and i wanted to hear someone say "it was freaking great!" without a but coming after that. sigh..your killing me here buddy:) i was able to get the screening you didnt with the cheering and yelling...everyone actually gasped when trinity was shot and it looked like she wouldnt make it...in fact, when i got home at 1am and went to bed, i swear i could feel my bed shake with the adrenaline running through my body after the screening...i loved this movie...i loved the fights, getting to see zion (finally!) and i was touched by the love story...i just love the matrix story, period. but all these reviews...especially yours b/c of the movie lover you are, are so dissapointing. it made me ask about what it means to be a movie lover. does it mean having to tear a movie apart and put it back together all the time? cant we just let the damn thing rock our world and not feel the need to dissect how it makes us feel? im having so many thoughts at this moment and i know im jumbling all this, but maybe you can tell me why im so pissed to see 50/50 reviews on this movie...i wanted everyone to be blown away by it...have it be the biggest thing ever and for Revolutions to come in November and seal the whole thing as the greatest trilogy ever (im putting the Lord of the Rings in a seperate category)...so great each film could stand on its own...i want to tell you to "lighten up," but deep down that would admitting that your right about your critisms...and i just cant let these Matrix movies be anything less but perfect for me...not when they mean so much to me. hope i made sense:)

  • May 15, 2003, 8:45 p.m. CST

    I'm not going to read this, because I'm avoiding spoilers before

    by IAmLegolas

    ...can anyone tell me if Harry did an about face from his first review?

  • May 15, 2003, 8:47 p.m. CST

    THE REASON TANK IS NOT IN THE MOVIE!

    by UncleSam

    Supposedly the story is that Marcus Chong who played Tank went "nuts" and stalked the Wachowski brothers for some undisclosed reason after the first movie. That's why Tank was written out of the sequels.

  • May 15, 2003, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Thanks Harry

    by pligger

    Well, with movies like this (cult sci-fi action filns), it's always the worse the review; the better the movie. After reading this, RELOADED'S GONNA ROCK!

  • May 15, 2003, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Harry is full of shit; Matrix Reloaded kicks the crap outta X-2,

    by Tarl_Cabot

    Don't listen to him. It's a great sequel. It's not a perfect movie but it's damn good and very satisfying.It's not "Empire strikes back" but kicks AOTC in the arse.I can't wait to see it again. I wish I could say that about X-2,AOTC,Blade 2, Die another day,and lots of other sequels I've seen in recent years that Harry raved about.

  • May 15, 2003, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Spoiler

    by PurityOfEssence

    Were those vampires or Warewolves? (I didn't think silver was a traditional method of vampire desposal. But hell if it worked in blade...)

  • May 15, 2003, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Reloaded does not suck.

    by Terrigen Mist

    I wanted to see this first before I post my review. First the movie does not suck. You have to see this for what it is a contiuation of the story. The audience was into it from my P.O.V. I avoided reading SPOILERS posted by some talkbackers.The film does have it's moments when it slows down. It doesn't matter if it's better or worse then X-Men or Star Wars. We should all appreciate these films for what they offer to everyone. Bring on Revolutions biotch!!!

  • May 15, 2003, 9:14 p.m. CST

    THE MAIN CAUSE FOR NEGATIVE REVIEWS

    by Rcamacho2278

    when a friend recommended me this website I loved how there was a plethora of information available.But then when the movie came closer and reviews came In I saw that this could actually harm my movie going experience. why do we watch movies in the first place. to get away from the real world. To get away for about 2 hours and not think about the shit thats fucking up our lives. Now I strongly feel that the way we view our movies is the way we live our lives. If someone is stupid enough to have a cell phone during the movie , that person in general is a stupid inconsiderate rude person who im sure will act that way in other scenerios. If a person brings a baby to a movie theatre to see a rated R movie, obviously that person will be blaming movies and video games when their kids shoot up a school.And if you analyze a movie to death, then finally, and I think this is the case with most eccentric reviewers, is that they feel they are better directors, that they are the ones that should be in hollywood making the movies, and they read the spoilers, and read the scripts, and know the plots and well, they basically cheat themselves out of a pretty good movie going experience. If I actually heard roger ebert discuss why he didnt like the movie was because of the lighting, or because there were no werewolves or monsters, I think we would think hes the biggest idiot in the world..why? because its not a good argument.Its quite sad

  • May 15, 2003, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Harry, you ignorant slut (beware of spoilers)

    by ElMeroMero

    You have as much right to your opinion as anyone, but nevertheless, I'm going to tell you why you and all the haters are wrong about this movie. Nowhere is it written that a sequel has to surpass the original. The best of them do - T2, Aliens, X2, Wrath of Khan, Toy Story 2, The Twin Towers, Godfather II, and the gold standard, The Empire Strikes Back. But for every one of these, there are many more solid, entertaining sequels that are simply not the equal of the original, chief among them: Temple of Doom, Die Harder, Back to the Future 2, and Rocky II. To me, Reloaded is at the head of the pack in terms of sequels that aren't quite the revelation that the first movie was, but are still Class A entertainment. What is it really that we wanted from a Matrix sequel? To revisit our friends Neo, Morpheus, and Trinity; to see Zion; to see some cool visuals we could had never imagined realized on screen; to see Neo kick ass as "the One"; to have a few secrets explained from the last movie (how could the Oracle know all that she knew?...why did Agents have to "follow the rules"?...who created the Matrix and why didn't they just take it offline and recode it to throw Neo and the gang off?); and to have some new twists added to the mix to parlay the story into a trilogy. How can you say this movie didn't accomplish everything it set out to do? Because there aren't frickin werewolves? Because we knew what was coming for the most part (kung-fu, philosophical rantings, improbable escapes)? We can NEVER recreate the sense of wonder from the first Matrix. We had no clue what we were in for. That this movie still managed to surprise me (the ending) is a bona fide achievement by the filmmakers. The sad thing is that this movie while only at a 10th grade level in smarts is still TOO DAMN INTELLIGENT for many of the audience that is going to see it. At my screening, people were asking a lot of obvious questions while walking out (what happened at the end...who is that guy on the stretcher...what did that old guy tell Neo?). Don't get me wrong, the crowd loved the action aspects, and when Superman saved Jimmy and Lois on the semi, he got a rousing ovation. They also got most of the tongue in cheek moments when the Wachowski's were winking at us and letting us know it wasn't all serious. But I'm saddened that the seeds of plot for the next movie may detract from a full enjoyment of this one by the unwashed masses. Which brings me to my last thought, which is that we got more than we deserved in this movie. I really, really, really liked it. It has stayed with me since the screening and I look forward to seeing it again before I see Revolutions this fall. Can you honestly tell me your mind hasn't lingered on what you saw and learned? The Keymaker's weathered features...Monica Be-frickin-llucci...Babe Ruth at bat in the Burly Brawl...Trinity on the bike in backwards traffic...rogue Agent Smith's multiple discoveries...Niobe standing up for Morpheus...The Oracle with Neo...The Architect with Neo...Trinity with Neo...the six previous fates of Zion...Morpheus's crushing realization...the citizens of Zion's response to the messiah...this movie delivers in spades, people. I don't know that a quick repeat viewing is needed, but I am still enjoying myself just thinking about Reloaded and what is yet to come.

  • May 15, 2003, 9:23 p.m. CST

    My 2cents on the 2 main gripes I've heard about Reloaded..

    by Amy Chasing

    1) Some people say Reloaded's action/fight sequences are bigger, so you can't follow them as easy as the first film. I didn't have a problem with this, much like I didn't have a problem with X-Men 2's action sequences being bigger than the first films. They're over-the-top more, but within reason. 2) Some people say the characters are less passionate/feeling in Reloaded, as if they're just going through the motions. Again, I didn't have a problem with this, because I remember thinking the characters behaved like this in the first film. They're live-action anime characters. Don't look for Shakespeare here, and enjoy the film for what it is - a very cool mind f&#k!

  • May 15, 2003, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Part One--Where I actually give the devils their due

    by XTheCrovvX

    OK, let me get the vitriol out of the way in this first post....since this is all some reviewers can focus on, I'll throw them the bone that in some spots, they're absolutely right....Zion--actually, I LIKE Zion...we first see it, its a wonderful, organic, ironically mechanical mess....and fits the concept of "the last human city" nicely. The hinted tensions between Niobe and Morpheus are good, if fleeting....and Neo's talk with the Councillor is thought-provoking, although pretty drawn out......and then theres the temple....goddammit I....HATE--no....DESPIS--no....LOATH--no....REGURGITATE AT THE THOUGHT(there) of this scene....ok, first, it starts off with Morpheus, booming voice, giving a "rally the troops" speech....the heart's in the right place, but, bless him, Laurence Fishburne sounds like he just had a six course meal at Denny's before he gave this speech.......but again, heart's in the right place, I can turn the other cheek...but then comes the rave....and i gotta tell you folks....inbreed Girls Gone Wild, a Missy Elliot video, and the worst Cinemax porn imaginable, and you got this sequence....and unlike your average uncomfortable sex scene, it stretches on for what seems like fucking HOURS....now, I get what the brothers Wachowski were trying to do here.....but, considering these are the same two guys who gave us all sexfantasy candy for years by putting Jennifer Tilly and Gina Gershon in the same bed together, SURELY this could've been better...instead, what we're left with is a scene that's a surefire way to make even the most hardcore perverts rub their eyes while mumbling "Oh, Jesus Christ, when will it end?"...I hate it......second, yes, the first half of the movie is slow as molasses....and not in that good, Kubrickian "nothing's really going on, but wow, look at this..." way....philosophy, even the good tidbits, grind the flick to a screeching halt...even while appreciating Zion aesthetically, I still couldnt help but wonder when we'd get that Morpheus voice over going "Captain's Log, Stardate 22-2481...."....and even after the amazing Burly Brawl, and consequently, the great scene with the Oracle, things go back to being ground to a halt for another 10 minutes....And lastly, there's the Merovingian and his troupe....the merovingian is cool in his own right (his string of french profanities, and..."the dessert" just plain rule")....the twins are cool in their own right....and Monica Bellucci....well...its Monica Bellucci...Irreversible notwithstanding, if you see her in a movie and you havent got the thought in your head to make with the love, I have the number of a great plastic surgeon who knows how to reattach penises....but anyways....but do i give a damn about any of them? Nope. At no point do I feel any of these people are a threat, nor are they important....once Neo and Co walk into the restaurant, in my eyes, it becomes a whole different movie....one that I'd probably see...but not one that belongs in The Matrix....and again, it slows the film down.....and those are my complaints...ergo, those are the flaws I see....the first half of this film is a flawed mess...and for that time, I was worried....worried that every piece of venomous shit I've heard against this movie was true....but, just as that was just half a movie, this is only half the story....see my next post....

  • May 15, 2003, 9:26 p.m. CST

    You critics are full of shit

    by CMR

    I just thought y'all should know that most of you critics are full of shit. Whoever said that Reloaded was all fight, and no substance needs to be shot in the face cause they obviously saw a different flick than me.

  • May 15, 2003, 9:36 p.m. CST

    What I think

    by YllabianBitPipe

    Okay Harry. Couple of points: You gripe when you didn't see ghosts, vampires and crap. Well, what were the twins if not ghosts? Wasn't the Merovingian cool enough for you with his orgasm cake? I think the truth of the matter is, you've already seen pictures of the twins since like a year ago so you're not impressed by it. But, the average movie goer who doesn't follow every rumor and pre-premiere picture won't. Given, the first half of the film reminded me of Phantom Menace and it was slow, slow, slow. But the second half made up for it in my opionon. Second, there are a couple of plot twists that I think will be hard and hopefully impossible for people to figure out before movie 3. For instance, this whole "the real world is another Matrix" I think is not true. There has to be another explanation that is not figure-outable until movie 3. Something I hope will be such a mind screw everyone is like: "Whaaaaa?" I think the Wazowskis have something up their sleeves that will blow us away and make everyone go back and watch 1 & 2 so they can see all the pieces fit together. Hopefully it will make memento look like a party game. So, I think this flick is bigger than we think, and: The "real world" is another level of the Matrix? I hope not, and I'll place money on the fact the Wazowskis wouldn't settle on something a bunch of fan boys could figure out less than 24 hours after the Reloaded!

  • May 15, 2003, 9:36 p.m. CST

    I saw this wendsday at 10:15 and I was sad...

    by UberSpectre

    ....I was so hyped for this movie for about the last couple months, but I was disapointed in the end mainly for the first 45 min. or something around that, why did I hate the first 45 min? It is simple every scene in Zion sucked bad! Every piece of dialogue, to the awful speech to, the random rave mixed with the soft core porn scene... also why did it seem like every scene in Zion was ripping off Star wars or Minority report in some way, This is why TTT and Empire are much better than this, since the first hour of this movie was basically a waste of time, the movie didn't get good until Neo met with Oracle, and even after that the movie didn't feel like the Matrix it felt just different, still very kool.... and to who ever said this movie was better than Die Another Day, well for starters DAD was the 20h movie in that series and still rocked! Reloaded needed major editing and some more darkness and more Monica Belluci!, In teh end I haft to say I am pissed I haft to wait till November for Revolutions

  • just read them

  • May 15, 2003, 9:41 p.m. CST

    i'll make it real simple for all of you

    by bender666

    Ok, here's the deal. The Matrix: Reloaded sucked really badly, and even Harry has to be right every now and again, as he is here. There was nothing to get, they just made every character one dimensional so that the idiots that watch movies today would stay excited, which didn't work because the story was such shit that it couldn't possibly have kept anyone's attention unless they read below a third grade level. The first Matrix was good because we expected crap and they gave us a somewhat intelligent action movie, so we were pleasantly surprised. Watch it again and tell me 90% of the dialogue doesn't sound like it was written by a moron. The Lord of the Rings movies aren't bad but they aren't spectacular either, and are a big disappointment compared with the book. X2 wasn't awful but it wasn't good, and it was a big disappointment compared to the comics, albeit not as bad as the first X-Men movie. Finally, TPM and AOTC were both awful pieces of shit that show that Lucas got lucky the first time around and they were a big disappointment form the original Star Wars movies. By my count, this makes 6 movies that have been wastes of money for me, but what can you do, every new movie falls into some crappy stereotype. See that? I can admit when I've wasted money. Some of you should try it.

  • May 15, 2003, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Some people can't be pleased (spoiler)

    by WayOutWest

    Let me start by saying, since I knew I would be seeing this movie I stayed away from all information about it - no trailers, websites, magazines. And I watched the credits but left before the tease for Revolution - I didn't know they would be showing it and don't want to have any inkling of what's in store. After reading Harry's initial review, Quint's review, and now Harry's thoughts after a 2nd viewing, I wonder if they knew so much about the movie that there was no chance of suspense and a blaise attitude. The opening fight with Trinity is excellent, the highway chase is one of the best of all time and the filming of it is breathtaking. As opposed to most movies - e.g. Ronin, Bourne Identity, etc, the vehicles were not spaced so any 68 yr old granny could slalom through. And when he said there was nothing to 'care about', he must have missed Trinity's brush with death near the end. And as far as the look of the movie, I expect them to be nominated for an Academy Award for set design.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:01 p.m. CST

    HarryharryHarry

    by Miss Lavendar

    I don't understand why you didn't like this movie? I think you should be made to watch Down with Love and Bruce Almighty for 24 hours straight.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:04 p.m. CST

    good point, JC

    by bender666

    Grammar is stupid. Why use it at all? For that matter, let's stop communicating with words. Let's all run around grunting until we understand what's going on. Better yet, let's communicate through crappy movies that kinda have something to do with philosophy but in reality are just attempts by those who have money to make more off of suckers like yourself. Hell, some of them would probably be better than this crappy new Matrix movie.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:05 p.m. CST

    RETURN OF THE KING trailer

    by Lumin Kadare

    Nobody that I can see has mentioned seeing the RotK trailer before Matrix: Reloaded, so I assume it ain't there. Fuck. I really hoped it would be. All this negative attitude towards Reloaded has me creeped out, also. Didn't expect it. Oh, well. I'll make up my own mind. Does anybody know when RotK WILL be trailering? It's a naff question, but I'd like to know.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:05 p.m. CST

    MATRIX STINKS LIKE SHIT

    by EHARTSOE

    HARRY IS RIGHT. THIS MOVIE IS LIKE A PRICK TEASE BITCH THAT NEVER GIVES UP DAT ASS! THIS IS A BADLY WRITTEN AND EXECUTED STORY. FREEWAY SCENE WAS GOOD, BUT NOT WORTH 8.50$

  • May 15, 2003, 10:06 p.m. CST

    whoops

    by bender666

    That last post was directed at TheEnigma. Sorry for any shame this has brought to you or your families.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Harry is right for once..Matrix doesn't deliver

    by Maximus21

    Take away the 30 minutes worth of good action and you got characters rambling on about nothing and bad acting. The movie was entertaining in sections, but overall, a major disappointment.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:21 p.m. CST

    harry has a point

    by Starbuxboy

    i agree with harry on most of points and it seems that the brothers tried to extend a story, more than they should have .in to 3 parts ... also .. to disagree w/ harry on one point .. i think Neo did not destroy code becase he saw what happened to Smith and it could do the same to other.. they( the borthers) should have elaborated on this .. \ its a good summer flick .. but its kinda sad how they tried to overdo the CGI work ... they shouls watch LOTR to see how it should be done.. have fun yall ...

  • May 15, 2003, 10:25 p.m. CST

    response to 0bscureReference

    by Xenomaniac

    I find it surprising that you give so much criticism about "coming up with stuff" and being original when you ripoff a line from the movie Kingpin. "...your concepts about as fresh as a Foghat concert." come on now, at least give credit to the movie you are quoting, especially if you are talking about originality

  • they don't know what to do with it all. They start concentrating on wowwing the crowd with special effects rather than concentrating on the characters and the story. Overall, this was an entertaining movie, minus the first 40 minutes - 20 of which should have ended up on the cutting room floor. I think the Star War prequels are an absolute joke but I had always thought the Darth Maul light saber battle in TPM was the coolest thing put on the big screen until I saw the highway scene today in Reloaded. That was mindblowing - and that alone was worth the price of admission. Very unique - well put together. Made the other kung fu action sequences seem old hat and dull.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Part Two: Where I tell all the negative critics to shove it up t

    by XTheCrovvX

    Point blank and period: Everything else in this flick OWNS THE PLANET.....all of it. And it disturbs me that NONE of the critics mention any of the things that make this movie great. Okay, as I said, the first half of this flick, slow...even when it's informative...very very slow....but, thinking back to earlier in the afternoon, guess what: so's the first flick....but you dont notice this in the first film because the first time you see it, you're still hanging on every single word, wondering what the hell The Matrix is....and every subsequent time you see the film, you're still head-wrapped around that experience....Reloaded tries to hit the ground running, but kinda trips at the starting gate....but even during that first part, there's goods....Zion, even though I have issues with the whole temple thing, is still a perfect realization....it's kinda like what I imagine H. R. Giger's summer home looks like....where he goes to chill out....a big web of mechanical vines and lights that somehow feels alive...living, breathing.....the way that Zion's followers still look to Neo as a Christ-figure....the Kid, I had heard, was annoying...but, having heard the synopsis of Kid's Story from the Animatrix, it makes a cute sort of sense....which does feed into Silver's touting that both the matrix game and the Animatrix both feed Reloaded in the best way......but, really, one, he's only onscreen for 30 seconds, tops....and two, his second scene is the best possible homage to the first film imaginable, and one of the points that got the crowd applauding....yes, harry, there was applause...there were also gasps....groans...that cool question mark sound....and yes, even the Matrix's trademark: "Whoa..."....and when there wasn't applause, you could look back in to faces, and see the looks of people with faith, bestowing this flick with the utmost patience, and that patience paying off royally right when the Keymaker is found. But that's skipping ahead...because I know I'm taking up a shitload of space, I'll try and be as efficient as I can be....The Oracle/The Burly Brawl--I'm going to miss Gloria Foster.....and this scene just reaffirms that the role in the first one was no fluke....in many ways, I liken her, in the mythology of this film, to Glinda the good witch....the face of pure benevolence....and even though, yeah, if you look at it closely, she's Exposition Lady, but, quite frankly, her brand of exposition could go on for hours, Id still love every moment.....as for the brawl...well...damn. It's a big dirty, slow-motion orgasm, building up until it explodes...literally, I might add....and for the record, for those wondering why he didn't just fly off from the get go...its because this fight wasnt about danger to Neo...it was about danger to everyone else....imagine it, if you will...you kill your worst enemy....year later, you find out he's back....with a gang. Are you REALLY just gonna fly off and let these fuckers roam free if you have(or at least believe you have) the ability to stop them?? Neo only flew off when he just saw 99 of the fuckers staring at him, and just said "uh-uh...I can't do this yet...'and, as for the "why didn't he fly into the bastards and blow 'em up?" my explanation? It drains him, and takes too much time. Obviously, the first time, there was the element of surprise...the machines had no clue what Neo was up to when he flew into Smith...but now, are Agents really going to take the risk and just stand there if Neo flies into an agent? think about how computers work...if you're busy with a really complex operation, and all of a sudden, you get the urge to open a big-ass 2 Gig application (in this case, let's say, oh, a couple of bullets?), the system will crash, you have to restart....if Neo tries that shit while he's surrounded, as he has been in pretty much every fight in this movie, he's going to get damaged....seriously damaged. Plus there's issues of how much brainpower that takes to do....in simple terms: Kung fu's just easier....but anyways.......The present from Spoonboy....makes me grin just thinking about it....made me grin more hearing a hundred people in the audience chant "There is no spoon!!" in near unison.....the Merovingian--where the hell was this guy when I wanted dates in high school?? "Oh, hi, Cindy....want some....cake? hehehehehehehh...."....the language advantaged got to laugh at his string of profanities....and his overbearing Bond-villain-ish Frenchness in general....again, i still think, as it serves the narrative, this guy's pretty worthless, aside from giving Neo and Co. siomething to do before they get the Keymaker...but on his own merits, damn this dude's cool....and even though I dont quite like Persephone's scenes, Trinity's reactions throughout are surefire grins....The Twins--Well, I didnt get to see em this time, but, you know, Monica bellucci's not in this movie long this time, and, really, there's still my Brotherhood of the Wolf DVD where they turn into snowcapped mountains...still a damn good comparison...just look at how they fit into that dres--umm...wait....Ohhhhh.....THOSE twins....um...::ahem::.....The REAL Twins--somebody called them the Darth Mauls of this movie...and even that's not too apt....theres not even THAT much material for these guys....but there should be...BUT, I bring them up here because these guys, in particular, bash to shit harry's blurb about there being no werewolves or vampires and such....um, maybe you were the only one to NOT notice that these guys are supposed to be fucking GHOSTS?! And pretty damn good ones I might add...and, honestly, man...do you know how much EVERYONE would've ragged on this movie if the Wachowskis took THAT piss, and made BLATANT fucking aliens and werewolves and vampires and shit? The Oracle's explanation...simply that these things are rogue programs, and if you see one, its really a rogue program....thats quite enough....the Freeway chase--The supposed centerpiece....its not, but im getting ahead of myself again...but, dear Lord....the brothers have long touted the long, hard work that went into this chase, and it pays off in spades....the second big applause happens here, with Neo's bullet-time rescue of Morpheus and the Keymaker...but from end to end...PERFECT.....and its about this time that the film finds its narrative flow, and everything comes together....and by the way, if anyone's still asking what happened to the others...Niobe and Ghost and Lock and all that? Three simple words: Play the game....from every corner, I'm hearing that it helps...a LOT.........so, anyways....you have the final sequence....the fulfilling of Neo's dreams, and the major league mindfuck at the hands of the Architect...I'm sure during the weekend, there'll be plenty of times to argue the implications of what the Architect lays down here, plus im sure nobody's got the patience to read all my shit, so Ill save that....but, really, nobody seems to mention the sheer energy and tension of these scenes....knowing where Trinity's story ends, Neo's choices, the acts of the Sentinels, Neo's flight from the Architect...actually, side note...neo's flight in general...seriously....Warners is now in deep shit trying to top Neo's flights in whatever Superman they wind up putting out....but anyways....all the way up to the final reveal (which reminded me quite a bit of the situation near the end of Ghost In The Shell)...and a "To be continued" that rivals Fellowship of the Ring in terms of sheer "AHHH!! We gotta wait!! NO!!!" factor....(and for the record, the Revolutions trailer is a cocktease....but damned if that Neo/Agent Smith duel in the rain dont look damn cool)...I'm getting tired, and, again, Im sure theres plenty of chances to rant more this weekend...but in short....the critics have valid complaints...yes...but once this movie hits it's stride, anyone who doesnt get sucked in simply never was, never will be a Matrix fan....at all. And surely, the middle-class philosophizing begins here as we all try to decipher the Architect...Revolution(s) is my name.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Less than thrilled

    by HellRide

    I saw it today shortly after noon, in a theater full of high school students cutting class to check the movie out. Like Harry and others have observed, there was almost no audience reaction to the movie, totally unlike the original where the audience was possibly the best I've ever experienced. Does that mean anything? Sure, it means everyone else in the place was underwhelmed like I was. Ok, short and simple - my problem with this movie is that it's more of the same stuff in the first, without the thrill of the totally new special effects, the mood, the unexpected plot development, etc. I don't think this movie did anything new, and parts of it plodded along (read: anything taking place in Zion). The few interesting intense scenes were also, unfortunately, heavily seen before the film's release and helped to spoil the surprise of it. The first movie was full of cool sci-fi stuff, edginess, fights, surprises, and Zion (or the "real world") stuff was hardly in evidence. Now that this movie focuses much more on Zion, I find that direction boring and dissapointing. Almost no point in any of the Zion scenes really. Anyhow, I don't care if it's a second film; I base my view on how good the film is, not if it's a continuation of a series. And I sure hope the W brothers go back to the drawing boards big time for this. HellRide

  • May 15, 2003, 10:37 p.m. CST

    I loved Reloaded

    by Nuts

    I must say that I disagree completely with your review of Reloaded. I thoroughly enjoyed everything about it, especially long the philosophical talks. They add depth to the movie without getting melodramatic. I understand that this is probably where a lot people start to get bored, but I was completely entranced. To other stuff: The fight scenes were also top notch and a lot better than the first Matrix sequences. In the first chapter, it was easy to tell that Keanu and Fishburn had been practicing Kung-fu for only three month. Now in Reloaded, the actors exude more power. They really are starting to look like Hong Kong action stars. I guess this movie is going to be a love it hate it affair. One thing I have to ask you though Harry: How could you think Star Wars:ATOC was a good movie, but think Matrix:Reloaded was underwhelming? Star Wars:ATOC sucked with some of the worst dialogue/editing/acting ever.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:37 p.m. CST

    oh yeah?

    by bender666

    You saying I'm not witty? Wittier than you are, fuckface.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by Citizen_Noxie

    I just saw this and am wondering if they knew how much the first 30-40 minutes fried your brain. It was so full of nothing that by the time it got to meaningful scenes like the Oracle, I just didn't care. I mean, they were hanging out in this cave with magma a couple of feet away, and Fishburne's voice was not meant for being that loud. It almost didn't sound like him. Luckily, my brain was back for the ending, which I extremely liked. And for the record: X2 was much better.

  • May 15, 2003, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Harry's just a man. He has a right to his opinion. Unfortunatly

    by ChinkyDaniels

    Harry, You already said too much, dug yourself in too deep to redeem yourself with a change of heart, which is why I won't ask you to give the movie a second chance, but I would like to say that I found the monkey boy, and YOU are he. That is all, The Chink

  • May 15, 2003, 10:50 p.m. CST

    RETURN OF THE KING TRAILER, YOU SAVAGES!

    by Lumin Kadare

    Does any oik among you know when the Return of the King trailer will be debuted?

  • May 15, 2003, 10:56 p.m. CST

    WHY THE HELL IS CORNEL WEST IN THIS MOVIE?!?!

    by snazzy_nazzy19

    what the hell was he thinking? the special effects sucked and that damn club scene should have only been around 15 seconds long, i dont give two shits about the people of zion's dancing feet, or keanu reaves bare thrusting ass for that matter. on the special effects, when you decided to have a cheesy animated version of your main character, theres no need to slow it down to make it so damn obvious. i might as well have been watching hulk. and what the hell is with the ending. when was the last time a movie ended with "to be concluded"? if i wanted to see that shit i would have stayed home and tuned in to family. matters reruns on WGN. oh yeah, how about the explanation the dude who programmed the matrix gives neo. it made some sense to me, but i could hear the neckcar fans and the nations comic store clerks give out a collective "huh?" at the end of his explanation.

  • May 15, 2003, 11:02 p.m. CST

    harry is fuckin right

    by santos kauffman

    i often disagree with harry's opinions, but hes right on this one. what made the first matrix so magical is that the action sequences were intrinsic to neo's character arc. in reloaded they are wholly contrived and forced. why would neo bother fighting the dozens of agent smith's when he can just fly away (which he eventually does anyway)? and why does monica belucci kill one of the french dudes' henchmen and let the other escape? so that said henchmen can retrieve the french dude and his posse and ensure another irrelevant fight sequence. although the matrix wasnt perfect, i never would have expected such blatantly lazy writing from the wachowski brothers. so fuckin dissappointing

  • May 15, 2003, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Lose one Dance sequence and it's fantastic

    by arsenalfan

    I thought the movie was great! However, if it had been my call, the dance sequence/love scene would have been a lot shorter. I can understand that it was a form of exposition in place so we could get a feeling for Zion (the other being the conversation with the Councilor,)but it could have been done a lot better, in less time.

  • May 15, 2003, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Listen to this and only this

    by PoliMan4

    I go to a reputable high school, and as youngin's it's our opinions of this film that will carry on for much longer than yours', . . .so, listen up. Almost everybody I talked to saw a wednesday night screening. The general consensus of the semi-dumb kids in my regular classes was that it "kicked ass." fair enough. In my advance placement classes, however, the intelligent kids were generally disappointed. Many even greatly disliked it. We all agreed the first half hour is disposable, particularily Zion, and that there were just too many new characters for any of them to really be developed (something that we all agreed X2 did remarkably well, relatively). We all thought the action was good and are eagerly awaiting the sequel, however we spilt on special-effects, with some, myself included feeling they were too cartoonish at times. Personally, I liked the movie, thought is was "cool" but being "cool" only brought me so far when I realized I didn't much care about what was going on. I liked the very overdone philosophy and symbolism very much and am looking forward to decyphering it upon future viewings. But overall it didn't do too much for me. Oh yeah, and Merovigian's line, "It's like wiping your ass with silk," will forever be one of my favorite lines in film.

  • May 15, 2003, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Waitaminute . . .

    by PoliMan4

    I forgot to mention my biggest complaint about the film, and one that I'm incredibly surprised absolutely no one I've seen has mentioned. Where are all the humans connected to the Matrix? The whole point of Morpheus's war is to free the humans who are connected from their "slavery." However, not once in the movie do we ever see the "fields" or any pods containing connected humans, nor do we see anybody being disconnected during the film. Also, whenever their in the matrix, the only times we ever see any connected people are either when someone's kicking their ass, or when they're about to be turned into agents. If we're supposed to be caring about this war so much, why don't we ever see the people that are the focus of it?

  • May 15, 2003, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Not as good as the first, but a worthy sequel nonetheless

    by UnChienAndalou

    The experience of seeing a movie like THE MATRIX for the first time is something that is tough to repeat. The story of RELOADED isn't as involving as the original, but it functions brilliantly as the second part of a visionary three-act epic. Its main story is more subtle than the original: providing clarification for events from the first and setting up things to come in the conclusion. I could gripe about a few nitpicky things here and there, but why bother when there's so many things to relish and admire? I have a suspicion that even the most ardent opponents of this film are going to see it at least three times regardless. "Not everyone believes what you believe." "My beliefs do not require that they do."

  • May 15, 2003, 11:46 p.m. CST

    " was never disappointed by THE PHANTOM MENACE or ATTACK OF THE

    by Tarl_Cabot

    If Harry brought the level of critical ruthlessness to Star Wars 1 and 2, Daredevil, Die another day, Armegeddon, Godzilla,XXX, Blade 2 as he did with Matrix Reloaded we might honest reviews here...I can't believe he gave this a bad review. It's so much better than all the movies he's been jizzing over the last few years...Fuck! How can you not be "disappointed by THE PHANTOM MENACE or ATTACK OF THE CLONES"???? You just want to love those sooo bad you look the other way. You probably resent the Watchowskis for making 1999 the year of The Matrix and not that pile of shit SWE1 that AICN built it's foundation on.Your review for AOTC was more like an apology for horrible acting(young love...ect).Harry has no clue about good movies anymore. I agree with most of his bad reviews like Minority Report but this is a shocker considering how much he praised X-2. That ending of X-2? What was that? Why didn't Ice dork go outside and freeze the water and save the day?? Fuck! I loved The Matrix Reloaded. Most sequels suck. This one delivers as well as I had hoped.

  • May 15, 2003, 11:47 p.m. CST

    harry you filmmaker wannabe, put your reviews in a relative cont

    by yahsurewhatever

    harry one day you will be embarrassed about the crap you write. both matrix films are drum and bass sci fi kung fu shoot em ups starring keanu reeves - quit trying to read any more into it than that it was the best goddamn drum and bass sci fi kung fu shoot em up with keanu reeves i've ever seen sure it's no 'apocolypse now' or 'raging bull' but hey, we didn't sign up for that

  • May 15, 2003, 11:59 p.m. CST

    I Have Lost All Respect

    by NickVA

    For once ,let me clarify that it is the smartest movie I have seen in year! It is a very nice piece of the 1st half of a trilogy. The critics on this site is completely wrong! It did NOT suck!! I hold contempt toward all the idiots who dont get the matrix and dis it!!!Fuckk off!!!!This movie rulezzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!

  • May 16, 2003, midnight CST

    Harry sucks on monkey dicks

    by Crash331

    Never seen such an unproffesional review. What's the matter, you can't form an opinion of your own? You base the whole review on the audience's reaction. Fuckwad.

  • May 16, 2003, 12:07 a.m. CST

    It was okay, but X2 was a better film.

    by Conan_the_Humble

    The Matrix doesn't rreally DO it for me though. Let the flaming begin... Cheers.

  • May 16, 2003, 12:09 a.m. CST

    I loved it

    by fett_72

    I thought it was awesome: I also seem to be the only person who thought it was better than the first movie. It's not that I didn't like the first one, only that this one had bigger and better action scenes. The story wasn't as good as the first one, but it was complex enough to keep me hooked. The ending was super confusing, and that's the way I like it: I can't wait to read people's interpretations and guesses as to what's going on once more people have seen it. True, I hated the Rave scene. It seemed pointless and boring. But come on you guys, it was like 5 minutes out of a two and a half hour movie. Some of you guys are acting like this is the end of Hollywood. Just close your eyes or something, it's not that big of a deal! The only thing I'll say about Neo not using his One power enough is that it would be one POS movie if when the agents first burst through the door at the beginning of the movie, and Neo went "Hiya fellas" and promptly blew them up by winking. Come on you guys, it's a movie, you have to sacrifice realism for entertainment sometimes, and I'm more than glad they did it here. BTW, I think you misunderstood some parts, Harry, like after the Burly Brawl when all the Smiths just kinda walk away, I (and most of the people around me) thought it was hilarious. Werewolves and vampires?? I won't speak for anyone else, but if there had been a single "werewolf" fight with Neo I would have lost all respect for this movie. What the hell are you guys talking about?? How could you possibly think that would be cool?? If they had put one in you'd probably be trashing it. Seems to me that some of you guys were simply looking for more fights and less talking. If that was the case you'd be complaining that there wasn't enough character development or story. Come on now. Anyway, the guys I saw it with liked it even more than I did. I'm seeing it again tomorrow and I can't wait. Later

  • May 16, 2003, 12:19 a.m. CST

    The Matrix Reloaded gave me chills

    by pencil-man

    POB

  • May 16, 2003, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Matrix Geeks pay attention and you'll learn something here...

    by I_AM_SPARTACUS

    Go see it again and you'll realize it was mediocre at best. Maybe 6 out of 10, Likely only a 5. I can name 10 movies in the last month or 2 better than reloaded. (how about Identity, X2, The Recruit, for starters - even though these are maybe 6 out of 10, still better) I even enjoyed Phone Booth more. In my viewing, No One clapped. A few die hards chuckled a few times. But that's it. Fight scenes? ok, they were cool the first dozen or so, after that they got boring. If you stop trying so hard to like it, you'll see it wasn't that great of a movie.

  • May 16, 2003, 12:25 a.m. CST

    i loved it so much i almost pissed my pants

    by diggler007

    ok...i'll admit. the rave scene was pretty dorky. with that aside...it was fucking awesome. the fight scenes were top notch. i couldn't ask for more. the chase scene was breathtaking. the best..hands down. i like the way they introduced old programs and backdoors. an interesting concept to make the matrix seem more like a computer program than real life. as for the cgi parts with neo. off the hook. superman has a lot to live up to now. never before has a person flying in a movie looked so fucking cool. this movie brought it all to the table and then some. i think the people that were upset with the movie had their expectations set to high. which is had to beleive after seeing the movie tonight. i can't wait to go see it again.

  • May 16, 2003, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Muted fighting?

    by I_AM_SPARTACUS

    listen up. "the fight was rendered mute"? WTF? Did they turn down the sound? Fight silently? The fight was rendered MOOT. As in a MOOT point. Get it right so you dont sound like a dumbass in public. Otherwise, Harry is right - every fight scene was a moot point because we all knew what would happen. blah blah blah. punch, fight, kick shins together like you were actually trying to make contact. Tinity almost died? puleeez... wake me up when a real fight breaks out.

  • May 16, 2003, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Having a halfway decent vocabulary...

    by Lobanhaki

    I could understand much of what was being said. Trust me, folks, It was quite philosophical, and you know what people? We need it! We are a culture that is continuously caught up in layer upon layer of controls. People are taught to drink, fuck, and cheat their way through their years of education and development, then learn how to cheat even more to keep up with those who actually have refined their skills and talents to be truly useful to those around them. We are taught to judge our clothing, hair, and choices of entertainment and companionship, not by what feels appropriate to our own sensibilities,but instead to some "elite". The Matrix is a society where people are taught to leach off of their fellow man, hoping that somebody stays productive long enough to feed their greed. It's a culture of parasitism that has people trying to leach off of somebody else's success, or resources instead of developing these things for themselves. And above all, it's a culture that defines itself as right because it persists, not because it does anybody any good.

  • May 16, 2003, 12:41 a.m. CST

    NickVA, why should we respect you?

    by Ribbons

    Because you "get it?" Wow, do you want a cookie? Contrary to many people's beliefs, MOST critics (Harry included) are fairly intelligent and understand the intentions of these movies. However, the question of preference is whether or not you're particularly interested in philosophical overtones that border on the existential and pretentious, in which case your response to the film is probably informed by your worldview and/or your motivations to challenge it. I was actually pleasantly surprised with the movie's quality based on all the bad word-of-mouth that I've been hearing on the Internet in the last week or so. For a lot of reasons, there was almost no way for the quality of this one to surpass that of the original and I accept that, but it was still interesting and innovative. But just because you disagree with Harry's opinion doesn't mean you have to dis him. At some point you gotta decide why trashing a person's integrity for the purposes of defending a sunjective narrative is that important to you. If he didn't like it, he didn't like it; I disagree with his opinion (to a point), but I'm not going to try to challenge his right to critique movies. By the way, did anybody else's theater start laughing during the 'Last Samurai' preview? That was a little fucked up. Maybe it was that Matrix crowd that I saw it with.

  • May 16, 2003, 12:52 a.m. CST

    I agree with Harry

    by exitmatrix

    Very nice second review, touched on subjects that really needed to be drawn upon.

  • May 16, 2003, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Stupidest way to get robbed,

    by Rcamacho2278

    what a stupid story, I feel stupider for reading it. how can you be such a moron in this day and age and actually give solicitors or beggers the time or day!!?? anyway,

  • May 16, 2003, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Amazing Sequel!

    by Wrecks

    This is a different film than the 1st one, with a different atmosphere and sensibilities! Unlike X2, which was just an extended rehash of it's predecessor, Reloaded comes off smelling fresh, clean and brand spankin' new! That is no small feat for a sequel! If I needed a cheering crowd to tell me how good a film is, I'd be 1st in line for the next Austin Powers lamefest along with all the rest of the cattle. This film is easily one of the best action films ever made. And the best sci-fi film to come along since, well, The Matrix. The first one introduces us to this world with a sense of dread that is hard to shake, and it is tangible everytime you watch it. Reloaded would not have worked if they had tried to recreate that dread. It would have felt cheap and contrived in the same way the menace feels in the newest SW flicks. The brothers took a different approach to the sequel and created a more complex and compelling puzzle that compliments the 1st film instead of mirroring it. It also happens to be visually amazing. These films mesh together beautifully. With the 3rd, to me its just going to be one long 7+ hour ass kicking fest!

  • May 16, 2003, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Bullshit, Harry

    by Shabbadoo

    You always do that shit. Everytime you see a movie you didn't like (or have a shitload of problems with), you always go on to describe the audience you were with as being cold and sterile. Yeah, right. Every single person I know (local and long-distance) said when they saw it, the crowd was electric. And I can say the same for the crowd I saw the movie with. But of course your audience didn't enjoy it, Harry...it helps further your points, right? Nah.

  • May 16, 2003, 1:19 a.m. CST

    The first 45 minutes were almost as bad as Battlefield Earth

    by mcarbone

    It's true -- the costumes, the dialogue, the terrible Burning Man scene -- all I needed was the line "crap lousy ceiling" and it would've been Battlefield Earth to the T, or like a bad Star Trek episode (those COSTUMES!). The agent smith battle was all right and the start of something better, but then it got bad again. Once the highway chase scene started, things picked up, and the stuff after that was much improved. The architect stuff was the best part of the movie, as it shifted our expectations and turned it into something new. It would've been a great thing to have maybe 40 minutes into the movie -- like Morpheus's revelation in the first. Instead, it served as the payoff and turned most of the movie into trash. 40% of the movie was terrible dialogue, 45% was fairly awesome action, and 15% was doors being opened and closed. There's your Matrix Reloaded.

  • May 16, 2003, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Shut Up All Of You

    by pencil-man

    The end OK? It was a GOOD movie, the end, dig?

  • May 16, 2003, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Cypher had it right.

    by BillVermin

    If the best the real world can offer is some stupid rave, I'd wanna go back into the matrix too.

  • May 16, 2003, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Didn't Zion look like that alien civilization that was in the bu

    by jules windex

    I'm amazed at how anyone is buying into Reloaded as some kind of thinking person's sci-fi action flick. The dialogue is ponderous. Points are repeated over and over, and the story is very very simple. In Matrix 1 the events of Reloaded would've taken all of about 30 minutes, cuz the first film MOVED. It had exposition, but worked it into the action. In Reloaded, people just sit around(or stand) and talk endlessly, stopping the film dead. Its absurd. Revolutions may be a richer film in story and character, but I'm betting they easily could've condensed the 2 films into one and made a FAR better follow-up.

  • May 16, 2003, 2:02 a.m. CST

    We've never left the Matrix...

    by BruinGold

    XIII, you nailed it. Without going into the details of whether or not this was a worthy sequel or not, the story direction leading into REVOLUTIONS is pretty clear. SPOILERS AHEAD: The "real" world that we've seen in the first two movies is simply an additional layer of The Matrix. Smith's ability to exit The Matrix into a "real" person and Neo's ability to block the squidies in the "real world" as easily as he did bullets in the Matrix are both dead giveaways. So basically, whatever philosophical discussion and debate over what The Architect (and a host of other characters) said during the movie is pointless for the next six months until we learn the "truth" in REVOLUTIONS. Because everything we think we know to this point is most likely dead wrong. Adding the layer might prove to be clever, but it's also put the Wachowskis in a bit of a corner. basically, the movie either ends with all of humanity waking up to a beautiful, green planet (long since healed from the wars and scorched sky we've been led to believe is The Matrix's present day Earth) or we're in for some trippy twist ending where we'll never really know if anybody's escaped the Matrix at all (or who's "real" or not). I don't know if either ending will prove to be satisfying. While certainly less elaborate and complex, had the Wachowski's stuck with the rules they established in the original film, they would have been able to tell a much more liner (and cohesive) story that probably would have pleased the masses much more than the RELOADED we saw ever will. For better or worse, this movie, with all it's familiar earmarkings of "dream" sequences, intercut scenes with voiceovers, jumps in action and characters returned from the dead (thus removing consequences and threats of danger to any long "established" character), and lengthy, complex exposition (telling rather than showing) that can be reread over and over again on the spot until you understand was as close to a live-action comic book as you're going to get. This style of storytelling doesn't translate too well when you have only one shot at watching the film (barring repeat viewing) and aren't familiar with the material (or simply are a "casual" fan or normal moviegoer who doesn't really care to understand). The effect will only be amplified with REVOLUTIONS if this is, indeed the path they're taking. And FWIW, I saw the movie this afternoon in Westwood and the audience was deathly quiet, most walked out of the movie grumbling and people (the few who stayed that is) booed after the REVOLUTIONS trailer. Not a good sign.

  • May 16, 2003, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Matrix is NOT deep. We DO "get it". YOU are just philosophically

    by ZeroCorpse

    The themes in The Matrix are OLD and TIRED. We DO INDEED "get it" kiddies! This is first-year philosophy stuff here. Simple bullshit that the Chinese thought of about 5000 years before Moses wandered around with stone tablets. "Was I then a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or am I now a butterfly dreaming he's a man?" is some ANCIENT philosophy, and that's ALL THERE IS TO THE MATRIX. It's the standard old "whoa dude! What if this is all a dream?" line that philosophers have been spouting since they started bilking people with their unique brand of DOING NOTHING USEFUL. The Wachowskis just expanded on it by watching a little Yellow Submarine, a little "The Wall", a little "Ghost In The Shell" and a heaping dose of TRON. It's not deep, kiddies. It's pretty fucking shallow to anyone who has ever read a goddamn nonfiction book. ...So STOP saying "you don't get it" because WE DO and THAT is why we find it pretentious and annoying and ultimately cheesy. Keanu can't act (and needs sunglasses to hide his vacant stare) and Carrie-Ann Moss is there for eye-candy purposes only. Ooooh! Didja hear what Agent Smith said about humans being viruses? WOW! What a revelation! It's almost like Jack Kerouac wasn't saying that shit in the fucking 1950's! It's almost like you couldn't find that in every fucking fortune cookie for the last 7000 years! Matrix is only "deep" to people who haven't seen or read SHIT in their short little lives.

  • May 16, 2003, 2:19 a.m. CST

    The Matrix vs. LOTR vs. New Star Wars; 6 movies so far...

    by Tarl_Cabot

    "I choose The Matrix"! LOTR are great movies but are long and at times not very exciting; 3 hour movies aren't usually very rewatchable... New Star Wars is crap. Beautiful crap. but still boring ass, soul less crap. The Matrix movies are superior to both series. Harry can be a criminal and watch stolen copies of Star Wars and give them rave reviews if he wants to but his credibility suffers for it...Either way I liked Reloaded. I can't wait to see it again. So glad there's no Jar Jar in it.

  • May 16, 2003, 2:32 a.m. CST

    What a reload of ....

    by sonobear

    Everyone (including the fearless leader of this site) has a right to their opinion... The only thing that is getting really boring about how alot of folks are expressing it (not only here & other boards but the pop-media as well) is how they have to rip on something else to make their opinion of what they're going on about sound "relevant". If I read one more person rip on Star Wars or X-Men or LOTR or whatever while they're discussing Matrix (or anything else for that matter, I'm gonna scream! (Oh hell, I'll just scream anyway....:) As for "reloaded"....I took it for what it is...a big "event" film and an interesting follow-up to what seemed for everyone involved, an unexpected hit. Yeah, a bigger budget, bigger effects, bigger production values and the ever-present very American need to "top" what came before it. Were my "expectations" dashed? No...not really. All of the above-mentioned qualities were just what I expected. Could the story have tkaen a different direction here and there? Sure. The only ":I wish they woulda..." thing Harry mentions that could have been intriguing is the idea of Neo battling some of those rouge programs the Oracle mentioned (vampires, Werewolves & whatnot). I guess you could say the twin fops were supposed to be a bit of that (especially with their end-of-"Raiders" nazi ghoul visual tricks)... I'm not going to go spoiler-happy here except to say...my hope is what happened with Heo towards the end of the film in the "real world" could either be the greatest twist imaginable or the sloppiest bit of continuity in a movie series ever. Hopefully we'll see in November. One of the main things that saddens me about most of the commentary here is how jaded and impossible to entertain so many folks have become. Yeah, I'm a little older than most who haunt this board (and SHOLUD be alot more jaded than alot of you)but I'm already sitting back and enjoying what may be the biggest sci-fi/fantasy genre film years to come down the pike since the early '80s (most notably the watershed year of '82) I'm loving the SW prequels, the LOTR films, the seemingly endless stream of comics-cum-movies and now this new trilogy of films. Harry....I suggest you (and the others who seem disappointed by this installment) revisit "Reloaded" after the hype has died down and let yourself just take what's there on the screen instead of what you see "missing". Is it a perfect film? Heck, no. It's a middle-child, a follow-up to something that nearly everyone who saw it has their own perceptions as to what "could" have been next (very much like what happened with SW:TPM in '99). Come back and keep the debate going....

  • May 16, 2003, 2:58 a.m. CST

    I'm with Harry on this one

    by esper999

    <p>Normally I disagree with Harry's reviews, but on this one I felt almost the same. I liked MR, but didn't love it. There was nothing that made me feel more than a vague interest in what was going on. It was like a Roger Moore James Bond movie. You never felt the heroes were in any real danger. <p>And just out of curiousity, if Neo and his bunch are such great hackers, why don't they hack something. Like put in some cheat codes so they can walk through walls (NoClip) or be invulnerable. Why can't Neo have heat vision or shoot death rays out of his hands? It's just a computer illusion after all. Harry is right to question the minor change from the last film. <p>Neo's crew and those Agents are worse shots than the A-Team. A zillion rounds of ammo and only one or two people get hit, and with no consequence (except the one guy Monica shoots). I was expecting Mr. T to show up any minute. <p>I will watch the movie many times, I'm sure. But it won't be one of my all time faves. Too much voguing and fetish clothes for my taste. And why did everyone in Zion walk around in their bathrobe?

  • May 16, 2003, 3:18 a.m. CST

    I think I went to the same screening as Harry.

    by SoupinmyFly

    I was wondering what that smell in the fifth row was all about.

  • May 16, 2003, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Missing the Point

    by Laza-rus

    Some of these points may have been made above but there was no fucking way i was reading all of it. Anyway, to preface my comments, I was fortunate enough to go into the first Matrix knowing nothing more than that it starred Keanu Reeves (has to have another pop-culture classic in him since Point Break), Larry Fishburne (who was apparently going by Lawrence now), and the chick from that model spin-off show who was pretty hot in that field-hockey-chick-from-college-I'd-like-to-bang sort of way. Being that it was directed by the Wachowskis who, as far as i know, had only directed Bound - that indy flick i sort of dug, I wanted to see if they could pull off a sci-fi flick. Needless to say, I was blown away by the uber ass-kicking and secret behind the matrix. The moment Neo groped his way out of that pod, i knew I was looking at a sci-fi classic. Pure genius. End of Preface As we've seen time and again, when a film as innovative and wildly popular as the Matrix lies dormant in preparation for a sequel, it's impossible for it to surpass its hype (eg Phantom Menace). I don't believe that is the case with Reloaded. I admit, the original was a more solid film, but the sequel, as I had hoped has taken us down a new path, introduced new possibilities. It does have its flaws, but I don't think they are the ones everyone is bitching about. The Rave: ok, making like high school kids on ecstacy on the eve of possible re-armageddon might not be very rationale, but if you knew you wight die in the next few days what would you do? As with the original, Reloaded is laded with symbolism - though we glimpsed at the present state of humanity in the original, here it is realized as a full-page spread - watching the inhabitants of Zion gyrate and dry-hump in a sea of lust, laughing, sweating screaming, fucking - we see humanity in its rawest, purest form - the complete antithesis of the logical sterile confines of the machines. Neo's inability to unravel the digital fabric of the agents? Did you see him in this film? Plagued by nightmares, at a loss for words when his "followers" presented him with gifts to find their loved ones still trapped in the matrix - he's scared shitless. Being lauded as the last hope for humanity might tend to prevent you from realizing your full potential. So while Neo sorts it out, he reverts back to some good ole ass-kicking (I do like how he no longer needs firearms to get his point across). And, come on, this is the matrix - we came to see some fighting, not diving into virtual baddies and making them explode. The flying did kick-ass, though. And although some of the exiled progams were underused, and we didn't get to see the Oracle's ghosts and vampires, watching Morpheus bait a werewolf might be a bit iconoclastic regarding the matrix, no? And of course the pod-busting scene for me (and everyone) was the Architecht's revelation. Never saw that coming. To know that our heroes are simply pawns, the very notion of their rebellion the reason for the machines' domination, is brilliantly horrifying. I can't imagine a more dire situation for the good guys. There are many points I could bring up, good and bad, but the fact remains, this film is entertaining as hell, albeit a bit convoluted, moslty due to the fact that the Brothers Wachowski tried to cram too much into it. But I've seen it once and I'll certainly see it again (cause I missed the Revoluitons trailer), and I think the Matrix is one of the best concepts in film, philosophy and pop-cuture in general. Just need to give it more of a chance.

  • May 16, 2003, 4:12 a.m. CST

    BAD!

    by IAmMovieMaster

    The Matrix Reloaded just plain stinks. Harry has hit the nail on the head. The NY crowd that was booing the movie got it right. BAD! BAD! BAD!

  • May 16, 2003, 9:08 a.m. CST

    I

    by streetlawyer

    Of course themes, like

  • May 16, 2003, 9:29 a.m. CST

    I must say that if you like this film you are in DENIAL, the mos

    by Psycho-Man

    I don't mean to pontificate, but I really don't understand why anyone feels that this is a good movie or a worthy sequel to the The Matrix. I have nothing to add beyond that because everything Harry wrote in his reviews is unfortunately correct.

  • May 16, 2003, 11:23 a.m. CST

    RE: ObscureRef. as homophobic ignoramus

    by amerdemocrat

    Obscure: How thoughtful of you to post your insightful political commentary re. international politics and Halliburton. I doubt many Americans on this website voted for Bush; I also would be incredulous to find most of my compatriots support everything Bush action (which by the way, proscribed Halliburton's participation in Iraqi reconstruction...check your sources, "mate"). However, your presumptions about Baghdad (which I doubt you've ever even stepped foot into) and American polity (into which I suspect you are not exactly well initiated) are amazingly incisive. Tell you what, why don't you visit a British website "whilst" playing online next time and spew your anti-Americanism there. I'm sure there's a British website somewhere you can desecrate with you punditry that is devoted to wonderful and avant garde British films like "Spider" (boy that blew me away...not) and "Bend it Like Beckham" (oh, sorry, that's a British re-make of My Big Fat Greek Wedding); alternately, try a website for popular British hits such as EastEnders and...oh yeah right, and nothing else. (unless a Miss Marple schtick on Mystery counts?) It's amazing that you people consume everything American and yet have the temerity to complain about Americana. If you want to make a real statement, try not buying American goods (what would that leave you with, treacle and foot-and-mouth pork?) or seeing American movies (hum, like the Matrix with mostly American stars and American producers, funded by American business). Go back to obscurity with your back-ass, hate-filled, homophobic jingoism! I'm sure there is some buck-toothed cockney tart waiting around it a back alley for you to rut on your way to Paddington.

  • May 16, 2003, 12:13 p.m. CST

    THE ONE.. that was sad

    by WoodyStiffer

    Dmezei's post above said it all and was spot on - great movies come through collaboration. When a filmmaker has absolute control and no one willing to tell him that something sucks, then he/she tends to turn out absolute shite. WB - you should have exercised a bit more control over this one. Didn't anyone read the screenplay? You'd have to be borderline retarded to actually consider a film this shallow as intellectually 'deep' or a 'mindfuck'. I've seen deeper philosophy in Bazooka Joe comics. This movie lacked any emotion or sense of urgency. The music choices were terrible, and the action (as Harry pointed out) was too bloated to contain any real focus. The original Matrix had me holding my breath, and still does in repeats. This one had me yawning and checking my watch. I was actually amazed, I disagree with Harry about almost every single review of his I've ever read, but he was spot on here.

  • May 16, 2003, 1:46 p.m. CST

    did we all see the same movie..?

    by d0kk

    I haven't seen this much over-thinking of a film since Episode 1. I don't see what people have such a problem with. The audience I saw it with were cheering, laughing and applauding. Talk about jaded, guys, you need to lighten up. This 'my-opinion-is-cleverer-than-yours' attitude just sucks all the fun out of movies. Unbelievable.

  • May 16, 2003, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Matrix is NOT a litmus test for intelligence

    by shockwave

    No. Absolutely not. And it isn

  • May 16, 2003, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Crap...

    by thespius19

    That movie was total crap. I was completely disappointed. Simplistic plot, philisophical ramblings that sounded like they were cut and pastetd from my college psych class. No hidden meaning, no subtext, and they beat their stupid message over and over on your head till it hurt. If anyone tries to say, "You just didn't get it," do me I think I'll scream. I GOT IT, okay? How could you NOT get it? They waste (and I mean WASTE) the first hour of the movie beating you to death with IT. About that first hour...why didn't they just cut it? You could have made this movie shorter by 45 minutes, easily. And, as for including George Bush Sr., and Jr., in the montage of histories greatest monsters (Hitler, Stalin, etc...), every American should be pissed about that. The day Dubya makes an internment camp and kills millions of innocent citizens, THEN we can equate him to that. Otherwise they're just devaluing the lives of 6 million Jews and countless Russians. The audience I was in was laughing and at least 10% walked out. That was here in Los Angeles at the Grove Cinema, which is the hot new cinema. People were BOOing for god's sake. I have no intention whatsoever of buying the DVD or going to see the next one. What a complete waste of time. Oh, and one more thing...Just shoot a guy on wire in front of a greenscreen. The CGI Neos and Agents got a little out of hand. It looked like a PS2 game.

  • May 16, 2003, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Apologies to all the Matrix Haters

    by WayOutWest

    Box Office History - at least for 6 months: The Matrix Reloaded (according to E!) grossed $42.5 million in the US in its first day. So much for the critics.

  • May 16, 2003, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Bollocks

    by whitelm

    It's a film, take it for what it is, it's bloody entertainment you sad fat yank.

  • May 16, 2003, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Bollocks

    by whitelm

    It's a film, take it for what it is, it's bloody entertainment you sad fat yank.

  • May 16, 2003, 5:33 p.m. CST

    by shockwave

    I admit that comparing Bush to Hitler or Stallin is foolish at best and premature at worst. But we do run an interment camp in Cuba, remember. Where the prisoners are held without due process. It isn't a little thing. But people got up and walked out of the movie during the climax because Bush was flashed on a screen for a fraction of a second. Maybe, but I don't buy it. Sounds like the numbers in those Fox News polls. If it did happen it's scarier than anything on the screen. Waiting for O'Reilly to break the story as a talking point (tm). I don't understand the obsession with what the audience was doing. If you don't have the courage to form an opinion without looking around to see what others are doing you shouldn't have the courage to post an opinion in the first place.

  • May 16, 2003, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Overall gayness

    by Straw_Dog

    Face it nerds...Harry is right...he may be fat....he may have red hair...he may be really fucking fat...but he is right...RELOADED was disappointing.

  • May 16, 2003, 5:45 p.m. CST

    a few comments

    by nodx

    I rarely bother to read these posts, and never write on them, but... To begin with, the Matrix Reloaded is not a perfect movie. Nor is it anywhere near being deserving of the depth of criticism it has received. Even when I realized that 2.45am had come and gone and I was still sitting in the theatre, I enjoyed the movie. I was genuinely interested in the implications of some of the plot twists. One element that I found fresh was the fact that most of the intelligent characters in the movie seem to think Mopheus is crazy, and by the end of the film it starts to look like they might be right. Now onto some criticisms of most of the critiques I've read. I'm not at all sure if this is the explanation the filmakers had in mind, but there is a great historical precedent for characters like Neo not making full use of their power. The first to come to my mind is Marlowe's play 'Dr. Faustus.' This is a play about a man who sells his soul to the devil in exchange for essentially ultimate power. Given the ability to do anything, Faustus makes himself invisible and steals the Pope's hat. Human nature is defined by habit, and where Neo/Faustus type characters come to their power after a lifetime of having to walk, be hit in a fight and throw punches, it is natural for them to forget they no longer have to. My only real complaint with the movie was that I did notice the fight/talk/fight/talk pattern of the movie.

  • May 16, 2003, 7:16 p.m. CST

    reloaded reaction

    by kidrobot

    I went to see The Matrix Reloaded on opening day at the Cinerama here in Seattle. My experience was opposite that of Harry's. People in the theater cheered at the climax of most fight scenes, they laughed aloud at the funny comments (even Link's comments), they were on the edge of their seats during the epic 14-minute car chase and there was applause at the end credits. More than half took off before the Revolutions trailer, but I suspect some of them didn't know it was playing (I didn't until my friend reminded me). The reactions were not the holy-shit-that-was-freakin-incredible-my-mind-is-blown! type of reaction that people had after The Matrix. There were several comments to the effect of, "Gee, great effects, but too bad it wasn't a good movie." So, the reaction was generally mixed. I had friends who loved it and can't wait to see it again (I'm in that camp) and others who were profoundly disappointed. X2 was nearly flawless as a stand-alone movie and a sequel. The Matrix Reloaded was not, but it was good fun. Compare that to the I-waited-in-line-for-that??? reactions of Episode I & II. Anyway, that was the reaction of my crowd...

  • May 16, 2003, 9:07 p.m. CST

    you people are stupid even harry

    by vilkit

    after 30 minutes of chatty bullshit? omg you must be from the generation of people with fuckin short attention spans.. IF YOU THINK SCENES IN MATRIX2 that dont involve action is just filler.. well then you're just plain fucking dim. and harry knowles is retarded for thinking that zion was destroyed.. something that everyone i saw it with easily picked up the first time.. yet.. harry can pick up insignificant fanboy trivia shit like 'george bush's face being flashed on some of the monitors'... something irrelevent to the story of the film.. it just goes to show you where harry's head is at.. "oh yawn.. how long before the next action sequence starts??.." FUCKING PAY ATTENTION TO THE STORY. take your add pills before you fuckin see the movie.. you're witnessing cinematic history and you're not paying attention to what makes these films so groundbreaking. its the story not the action.. peace, favian

  • May 16, 2003, 9:39 p.m. CST

    I wanted to make excuses too

    by ZAID

    I loved the first Matrix. It is/was my favorite movie. I hate it when poor sequels cheapen the original. Reloaded was a poor sequel. I left the theater disappointed and confused, both about the plot and how this could have happened. I felt like I did when I walked out of Episode One. I wanted to make excuses for the film like so many of you are doing but I can't betray how I feel. I know its just a movie but I feel like I'm in mourning. I really hope the third and last installment brings the tone and focus of this series back to that of the first and doesn't promise false hope like Episode Two did.

  • May 16, 2003, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Shockwave...

    by thespius19

    Shockwave, I have the courage to formulate an opinion by myself, thank you. As for Guantanamo Bay, have you ever been there? It is not an internment camp and it is not a death camp. In no way can it be compared to anything Hitler or Stalin had. The Red Cross, Amnesty International both have complete access to all the prisoneres at any time. And, according to the Geneva Convention, you can hold a POW for a time with no Due Process, because DUE PROCESS is only guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution. Not internationally. That is why you aren't as safe in other countries as you are in the U.S. I've been to Guantanamo. I've seen it with my own eyes. I've been in the Gulf War. I lost friends in it. I lost a brother in the World Trade Center attack. I speak from experience and with information. You speak from blind opinion that has been fed to you by other people. Be careful what you say when you speak in ignorance.

  • May 17, 2003, 1:34 a.m. CST

    what the hell??

    by Funcoflipper

    OK, OK, OK. some people think it s better, some people think its worse. Frankly, I liked the first one better. Who cares. This one was great, nonetheless. ANYWAY!!!! I am an idiot. so could someone explain how NEO was able to stop the centipede machines at the end if he WASNT in the matrix?? Also, why did the building blow up when he left the architect?? And third, who the hell was the guy lying near NEO at the end, the guy who thought about killing him, and why was he there??

  • May 17, 2003, 1:42 a.m. CST

    For the record...

    by Zardoz

    ...the film kicked my ass! I thought it was great, and the VERY enthusiastic audience I saw it with, liked it, too! (Applause thoughout the film, at the end, even after the "Revolutions" teaser) Why was your audience so blase about the film? It must have been the free-flowing Heineken; seeing a movie stoned is one thing, but drunk? Forget about it! You might as well be in a coma! I had zero problems with the rave scene, which I thought was highly erotic and passionate, a very nice contrast to the world of the Matrix, i.e., warm, full of life and LOVE. (Did anyone else notice that most of the Zion-ites didn't have electrode holes? it sure seemed that way to me.) And let's face it, the action was INCREDIBLE! From the Burly Brawl to the suicidal freeway chase, I was giddy with excitement. (I was even flinching during most of the car chase) I especially liked the part where the annoying kid Neo saved, saved Neo from the "human" Agent Smith assassin by calling out his name; in essence, if Neo hadn't saved that kid, he would have been killed by the unseen, knife-wielding foe. Fate is unavoidable, no? Oh, and those TV monitors in the Architect's "office":weren't they, and therefore the Architect, observing Neo's interrogation by Agent Smith in the first film? (they sure looked similar) As for "Revolutions", I think it's going to be even more intense than this one: Neo now has powers in the real world so he can fight the machines in person. (And how about that rain-soaked confrontation with the Smiths? That looks epic to me...

  • May 17, 2003, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Reloaded

    by matrix314

    This score for this installment of the Matrix let the movie down. Especially, the B Brawl-the the music just didn't seem to compliment the action. I could excuse it if the idea was to reflect Neo's complacency with the fact he is invincible. Even so, the music should have been harder hitting as Neo realized the daunting task and difficulty of fighting 100 Agent Smiths. Still, a good movie. I'm hoping that reloaded is pasifying us in order to suprise and wow in Revolutions. Oh yeah, Bellucci is so fine.

  • May 17, 2003, 2:03 a.m. CST

    ARG

    by FozzieBear444

    Thank you for correcting yourself harry! I was just about to post something saying you should...watch films closer in the future you big hairy oaf!! ARGAMAFARG

  • May 17, 2003, 2:21 a.m. CST

    What tis he matrix ... The matrix has you

    by matrix314

    My guess is the Brothers want us to reason that the many coincidences, Neo's powers in the "real world" are facets of another program created by the architect to give the rebellious minds hooked into the Matrix the feeling that they are breaking free, when in actual fact they are still pod-dwelling power-packs. How deep does it go?

  • May 17, 2003, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Concerning Mr. Bush...

    by JCormier

    Anyone who thought the Wachowskis were seriously comparing George Bush, Sr., to Hitler and Stalin missed what was merely a bit of tongue-in-cheek satire. The pictures flashed as the Architect described how he created a second version of the Matrix which included some of humanity's more unpleasant and terrible aspects (Harry once again became confused when he noted that the Architect was specifically enumerating humanity's worst figures); they almost certainly did not intend Bush to be thought of as a villain on the level of Hitler, but threw him in there one, as a a bit of a joke, and two, as a satisfactory tidbit to those who know the details of modern American history. Thespius seems to be functioning at least somewhat under the same vicious plague of blind "patriotism" (particularly through the mechanism of a refusal to accept or allow democratic dissent) that is corrupting our country (like a virus?) today. While I mean no disrespect to his military career or to his lost friends and loved ones, I must note that having been part of the military machine might in fact be considered a hindrance, not an opportunity for greater insight. The military services are not designed to be free-thinking, democratic individuals; they are tools of the American government and its people, pure and simple. They are fed the propaganda of the administration. Though being one of its soldiers can often produce something of a reactionary enlightenment, more often one is blinded to the broader perspective. George Bush Sr., for example, whil not being anything akin to Hitler, did indeed indirectly preside over atrocities. The United States supported Saddam Hussein during the early '80s, even while he massacred his own people, the Kurds, in massive gas attacks. We turned our backs because at the time we were concerned with other countries in the Middle East and the stability of the oil market. While Bush is not, perhaps, directly accountable, the entire situation and our present hypocritical astonishment at Hussein's actions should be held as a black mark on American history. The Wachowskis, perhaps, recognized this.

  • May 17, 2003, 3:50 a.m. CST

    I walked out after only thirty minutes

    by BurKaZoiD

    I walked out of the movie after only thirty minutes. I went to see it, having neither pre-conceived notions nor expectations for it; I just wanted to see a good flick. I was so disinterested in it, I was praying fo r something, anything to happen. I wound up reading the spoiler on www.themoviespoiler.com, and I thank my stars I left. Actually, it wasn't on my own intuiton to leave: I was sitting on the very back row, and there was a woman sitting on the floor behind me because there were no other seats available. Thirty minutes into the film, a theater attendant came in and informed the lady she would have to leave (and receive a refund) because her sitting on the floor violated the fire code. I immediately got up and offered her my seat, and promptly left relieved. Good God does this movie suck. It sucks big monster peckers. I've never seen anything suck and blow at the same time. I was just completely turned off by what I saw in the first thirty minutes. When I saw Trinity's bike rocket through the air my first thought was: wow, what a wrong way to start the movie. The biggest turnoff was the graphic sex scene between Neo and Trinity, coupled with the huge hedonistic orgy dance by the Zion inhabitants. What the fuck did any of this have to do with the story? I closed my eyes and waited to open them until the music temp had changed and I knew it was over. And, I feel like I almost should be shocked that I hated what I saw, and that I walked out, but I'm not. It was really, honestly neither interesting, nor entertaining at all. And yes, I DID get my $5 back.

  • I'm not going to go into a whole review of this film; every point I would make regarding this horrible sequel has been made by others, and defended by the fanboys. As far as I am concerned, this film has at best 30 minutes of salvageable footage; everything else was a total snooze. That orgasm scene BTW was easily one of the lamest, most ill-conceived shots ever placed onto celluloid. Fucking pointless. Virtual cum; and some of you have the audacity to claim that Lucas is pandering to a lower mentality? What I find even more amusing is that several of these shrill fanboys claim that this heap of incomprehensible dreck is actually an intelligent and thought provoking film. Please. This film barely has a pulse. The life-support machines are keeping this one alive and the brain activity is long gone. So much potential was trashed in this sequel that I fear Revolutions may also become a casualty and that is a damn shame because the original film was unique, original, and this sequel should have been even better. Instead, I am forced to sit through a twenty minute grind session that looks as if it were lifted from a Christina Aguilara video, endure some silly and horribly delivered dialogue, and gradually doze off as the film comes apart at the seams trying not to collapse under the weight of it's own hollow, meaningless premise. I mean, how in the name of Christ do you defend this movie? Fishburn sounded like a goddamn robot through the whole thing. It was if he was performing a parody of his character. And what about Neo turning into a pussy? Didn't that bother you guys? At the conclusion of the first film, he could literally tear apart agents. In this film we see him do all manner of incredible tricks, yet when it comes time to fight, it's back to the perfectly choregraphed kung-fu. Where is all of Neo's power? Why is the ONE a bitch? Also, why were the gunfights removed from the equation? The original had great gunfights, this one barely has any. Just...more...kung-fu. Also, in defense of Harry, the videogame, which was developed closely with the Warchowskis, actually has Vampire villians and other oddities, thus Harry was correct in his assumption that such characters should surface in the film. However, rather than trim down the interesting virtual orgasm, the laborious Zion scenes, and the grinding, the Warchowskis decided to cut some very cool material out of the film and replace it with tedium. The game BTW is far more interesting than the film. Anyways, enough about how badly this film sucked. If you want to see a really solid sci-fi film, rent or buy Equilibrium. One part 1984, one part anime, this is easily one of the most intelligent movies of the year. Made for about 1/100th of the cost of Reloaded, this film manages to outperform the Matrix sequel in almost every conceivable manner. Even the action is better and far more interesting.

  • May 17, 2003, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Matrix314

    by Funcoflipper

    YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!! first about the music. I score films myself and the music was WRONG!!!!! It was too free flowing and calm. It needed to be more energetic!!! Also, I think the real world of zion is NOT really the real world, just another layer of the matrix!!!

  • May 17, 2003, 1:50 p.m. CST

    I have SEEN it on shroomz!!!!!!!!

    by eclipsedman

    What a mind fuck. Saw X2 the same way and Matrix kicked its ass. Heres hopin for a new batch come Nov. This film was meant to be seen on drugs. Kids behind me were doing coke(in the fucking theatre). Only in Los Angeles!

  • May 17, 2003, 2:49 p.m. CST

    I guess we can all AGREE on one thing folks....

    by wash

    ...the soundtrack blows huge fucking planet-sized chunks. Enough of this mall-core and cheesy techno. If they want the hardcore beats and riffs, they need to dig deeper than the crap that sells in the Top 10 at Sam Goody. How about teaming up Vangelis with Panacea or some Norweigian Death Metal band. Take that idea and run with it, WBs.

  • May 19, 2003, 5:15 a.m. CST

    thespius19

    by streetlawyer

    The official US Government position on the prisoners held in Guantamo Bay is, that the Geneva Convention does not apply. So by keeping them from American soil, and not granting them a POW status, the prisoners have no rights whatsoever and human rights organisations and the Red Cross are kept powerless. It's a very clever legal trick though and since there is no real world apparently, why should you care?

  • May 22, 2003, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Audience Reaction

    by Sick_Boy

    So, you're complaining about the film because you DIDN'T get a bunch of morons cheering and clapping over the top of it??? Ever stop to think that maybe the reason they were all so quiet was that they were really enjoying it? I just saw it last night & thought it was amazing! (By the way, I live in Scotland where we prefer to be able to hear what's going on in our films.) Moriarty got the film. Harry didn't come close.

  • May 22, 2003, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Audience Reaction

    by Sick_Boy

    So, you're complaining about the film because you DIDN'T get a bunch of morons cheering and clapping over the top of it??? Ever stop to think that maybe the reason they were all so quiet was that they were really enjoying it? I just saw it last night & thought it was amazing! (By the way, I live in Scotland where we prefer to be able to hear what's going on in our films.) Moriarty got the film. Harry didn't come close.

  • May 22, 2003, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Audience Reaction

    by Sick_Boy

    So, you're complaining about the film because you DIDN'T get a bunch of morons cheering and clapping over the top of it??? Ever stop to think that maybe the reason they were all so quiet was that they were really enjoying it? I just saw it last night & thought it was amazing! (By the way, I live in Scotland where we prefer to be able to hear what's going on in our films.) Moriarty got the film. Harry didn't come close.

  • May 22, 2003, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Oops.

    by Sick_Boy

    Sorry about the multiple posts, my computer was taking ages to load the next page.

  • May 25, 2003, 2:42 a.m. CST

    ObscureReference

    by Sparky199

    Dont forget everyone... please don't feed the Trolls. Particularly the unwashed Dutch ones :)

  • May 28, 2003, 3:33 p.m. CST

    reloaded reloaded re.. oh its crap

    by deadboy26

  • May 28, 2003, 3:45 p.m. CST

    and now that i can put my anger in words

    by deadboy26

    look i just seen a two hour and fourty minute preview for part three in the matrix saga, it was a preview because nothing and i mean nothing important to the plot or characeter devlopment happens at any point in this waste of time. This movie sucked,and for those who say it was the best movie they ever saw im sorry to hear that the only movies you sver saw where this piece of garbage and Jackie Chan's Spiritual Kung Fu.Just remember when your at the theater and you gonna see three movies this summer see X-2 twice and something other than a big budget waste of time like the extremly over-rated Matrix reloaded. Until next time oh yeah and talk to the dead they are people too

  • June 7, 2003, 1:29 p.m. CST

    well then...

    by Z_ackmorris

    I just saw REloaded the other night. I should state first that I had not seen one single trailer or teaser for this movie and also stayed away from the hype and reviews. I had no expectations at all. Months ago my roommate and I already figured that neo would use his powers in the 'real world' and prove that they are actually still inside the matix or that neo is in fact actually just a machine/cyborg type of thing. Other than that i enjoyed the movie very much. Watching neo bat around all those agents was greatly entertaining. Why does morpheous look so huge? mayhaps he should lay off those McZion burgers.

  • For chrissakes, enough already. I liked The Matrix Reloaded. I thought the action was amazing, I thought it pushed the story ahead and set up the third one the way it should. Who fucking cares if another guy thinks it sucks? Why does everyone think there's some kind of fucking consipracy because Harry says he doesn't like it? It's a goddamn movie for crying out loud. relax your sphincters and either love it or hate it. who gives a flying fuck what anyone else thinks? ... thank you, i feel much better now.