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Kelldra really disliked MATRIX RELOADED...

Hey folks, Harry here... We have had a good amount of reviews coming in for MATRIX RELOADED, and if anything... what all these reviews have done, at least for me, is to go into MATRIX RELOADED with reasonable expectations. I no longer believer there is no bar. I don't believe this is going to rewrite cinematic action/sci-fi/history. Like many comic book series, the first comic is the one we all remember forever. That a boy from a doomed planet sent to Earth by his parents was adopted by a kindly couple that raised him proper till he discovered his calling as SUPERMAN... But do you remember what happened in ACTION #2? How about DETECTIVE #28? How about TALES OF SUSPENSE #40 or JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #84 or HULK #2? They always had bigger and more audacious action, continued the arc of the hero, heightened the danger, but never ever is issue #2 more memorable than issue #1. While many might use film as their basis on THE MATRIX, the Wachowski Brothers come from a Comic Book background. For all their passion for "higher writings" they are still drawing most strongly on comic books for their overall aesthetics and dynamics. So, I'm going in expecting that fun kickass 2nd issue of a comic that had a classic #1. And, if I'm lucky... just maybe the naysayers and killjoys will be from another planet than me, and maybe I'll see this not as an issue #2, but the middle section of a great 3 comic run like Fantastic Four 48, 49, 50 or Journey Into Mystery 121, 122 and 123... or... well you know your favorite three ish runs... That's what I'm pulling for, but I also know how rare those runs are. Reasonable expectations... And I want to be blown away! Beware of spoilers...

Harry, thought you might like a "scoop" review. Hope you enjoy...

Prepare to have your hopes dashed. I went to an advanced screening of The Matrix: Reloaded last night and the epic that I was hoping to see unfold never...unfolded.

In fact, it was really a movie about details and not of the interesting or thought provoking variety. Every line and every scene pushed for something grand and profound and almost always fell flat.

First off, the action. I never thought action scenes could be so boring. Gone are the bullet time shots where we see a flesh and blood actor rotating in mid-air or defying the laws of physics. Instead, we have new "life-like" CG replacements of the actors (or their bodies) as they fly around the screen looking like...well, looking like "life-like" CG replacements.

You can spot them a mile away and you're left thinking, "Wow, that would have been cool if the actor had done it." But no, a computer game character is kicking Mr. Smith's ass instead, not Neo but CG-Neo. Whereas the story is loaded with minute details the action scenes are not. Almost every shot is a wide shot where we see the entire cast fighting. There are very few close-up details like in the first one. No slow-motion bullets cutting through water or...through Morpheus' leg, instead we have scenes after scenes that look nearly identical. "Oh, now Neo's fighting Mr. Smith. Okay, now Neo's fighting the Oracle's bodyguard...okay, now...now...(and we drift to sleep)." And all done with the strange Matrix stilted fighting style of block, punch, block, punch...jump. Maybe they didn't want to have to set up all those little cameras again but there is nothing dynamic about these fight scenes and certainly no sense of danger. Not to mention that all the characters seem to have the same fighting skills as Neo (besides the flying, of course. But is flying really a fighting skill?)

I could go on and on about the action but there is a more important point. What needed to happen with this film was a creative jump in the writing. The first film is good, a fun little flick that covered some new ground. I definitely enjoyed it. But Reloaded needed to expand the story and really show us how big and dangerous the Matrix world can be.

It seems that the Wachowski's had hoped their dialogue would accomplish this. But, sadly, they suffer from the Lucas curse of making every word that comes out of every mouth something epic. It's the ultimate case of using a two dollar word when a ten cent one will do (or however that goes). The film is packed with an embarrassing level of bombast. It's as if Larry and Andy consulted a thesaurus for every other word, as if they masked meaningless dialogue in pretty words, dressed it up like a cheap tart. I actually started to tune out in one scene with Morpheus while he discussed the intricacies of the prophecy, which I might add they never felt necessary to share with us. It was more like, "you know what has been foretold, Trinity..."

At one point towards the end (SPOILER to follow) Neo meets the Architect, the most boring man/program ever created. We're lectured to for about five minutes by this tiresome character, who could easily have been reading from the phonebook. Now, I think I have a decent command of the English language but I found the scene laughably pedantic (see that?). Although, to be pedantic you have to actually have knowledge and this character certainly did not. It was like the later X-files episodes where everything negates everything else and you no longer have faith in the storytellers.

I'll hold my final judgment until I see Revolutions but I suspect the Wachowski's didn't really have the clearest idea where they were going with this. Sure, I think they knew they wanted to make two more films, a new "classic" trilogy (and who wouldn't?), but they've lost their way at this point. Overall, it's really a boring film with little direction that's trying too hard to impress its audience. It played out like a made for TV sequel, right down to the (SPOILER) "to be concluded" ending.

Kelldra

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  • May 9, 2003, 10:57 a.m. CST

    I heard...

    by PoopsMcGee

    they were going to have the Hulkster do a cameo role as Agent Hogan in the next film. "Do you hear that, little Mr. Anderson dude? That is the sound of inevitability, brother!"

  • May 9, 2003, 10:59 a.m. CST

    hmmm

    by hager

    well, i got nothing to add. except that im not sure why harry is backing off now. other than, of course, no banner ads. we should have high expectations because, lest we forget one week, x2 is clearly better than the original. certainly more "memorable.' it can be done and we should expect it. one would think.

  • May 9, 2003, 11:10 a.m. CST

    FAO UK based AICNers with dial up

    by earthworm

    Apparently Channel 5 is going to be showing the Animatrix shorts (along with Matrix itself) in the next couple of weeks. So you don't have to go and watch dreamcatcher. Oh, and I'm finally going to see X2 tonight, can't wait.

  • May 9, 2003, 11:17 a.m. CST

    hmmm...

    by joeyjojoshabadoo

    tis a narrative of very heavy proportions indeed...

  • May 9, 2003, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Re: hype

    by Ray Garraty #47

    This review reminds me of the time several years ago when my friends and I just COULD NOT WAIT to go see Independence Day...all of the commercials built up this tremendous anticipation that could not go away until I saw the movie. When it was over, I looked at my buddy and said, "That was fucking stupid." I saw Phantom Menace with my buddy and my wife and when it was over I looked at him and said, "That was fucking stupid." And so, here I am now, having already bought tickets to Reloaded with the same friend, only with both of our wives this time, and almost every review that's coming out tells the same tale of being underwhelmed...the tale of millions of dollars being spent on the spectacle and not the story. And you know, it calls to mind that story from this site yesterday about how a debate was needed about whether certain studios or directors have ruined movies for good. Well, I'm not educated enough in film history to answer that question, but I can tell you that of the 10 best movies I have seen in the last five years, I think one of them has had "event movie" status. Summer Movies have become happy meal toy, video game, MTV-style jump cut seizure inducing messes. Sometimes I'll put on a tape of "Searching for Bobby Fischer" or "Hoosiers"...imperfect movies in many respects...just so I can relax and reminisce about movies I loved, whether successful or not. And whether you agree with me or not, Spiderman and X2, while very entertaining, are also plagued by the same flaws, just not as much or as glaringly-even though they are regarded as "the times the studios got something right."

  • May 9, 2003, 11:19 a.m. CST

    The Third Movie

    by NoOpinion

    I hear at the end of the third movie Neo wakes up in a hospital bed, a doctor comes over who looks just like Agent Smith and hands him a blue pill and say's "It's time to take your pills Mr Anderson.......Bwah ha ha ha ha Bwwaaah haaa haaa haa haa... Bwwwaaahh haah haah haaa hhaa... BWwwwwwwaaaaahhh haaa hhaaa haaa hhaaa!!!" Neo: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

  • May 9, 2003, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Matrix is this summer's Phantom Menace....

    by Doom II

    A LONG wait for it to come, HIGH expectations that could never be met and a couple directors that know people will see it regardless of the quality. Like The Phantom Menace, I will probably like it at first (or at least parts), but after a few viewings will realize that it is a boring, shallow failure. Nice attitude, eh?

  • May 9, 2003, 11:34 a.m. CST

    That's too bad. I was hoping for a Brechtian exercise in cinema

    by Christopher3

    Block, punch, block, punch, jump, shoulder button, A button, L, L, R. Does that get me to the Architect?

  • May 9, 2003, 11:37 a.m. CST

    I don't know why I even participate...

    by kintar0

    It seems that ALL the reviews we've been seeing on AICN are from people that don't "get it." I wish they could just admit it. Remember all those GUSHING reviews of the Matrix right before it came out? Right...

  • May 9, 2003, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Truly mixed reviews....

    by Grammaton Cleric

    hmmm...what to think and who to trust? Save me Equilibrium, save me.

  • May 9, 2003, 11:38 a.m. CST

    I feared this,,,

    by PurityOfEssence

    While I hope it's better than what is being said about it, I do not doubt that this is how this person felt. But at least s/he (not sure which) told the truth. It doesn't change the fact that I will see this film. Whether I like it or not is a whole different matter. If this film is weak I hope that Revolutions will be better. The Matrix wasn't perfect but it was alot closer to that than alot of films in the genre ever seem to reach. All it could possibly do is go down hill. In fact I was really hoping all the exposition that was being complained about was just like the stuff that people complained about in the first movie (people would say yeah only the last half-hour was worth watching). Some found it borring - which is okay you don't have to like it - but I found the whole thing engaging. To me the film was only really "deep" (is it me or do you really hate to hear people say: MAN THAT WAS SO DEEP) if you investigated the refferences. This isn't really a fault of the film per say (A film just doesn't have the time to deeply investigate every reference and nuiance like a novel does) but it is something that should be taken note of. Oh and people who are fans of the Matrix (like me) don't go verbaly assaulting this reviewer just becuase you don't agree. That is pointless. Even if some hate/love this film, try to not let it affect your own oppinion.

  • May 9, 2003, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Sounds like the people who don't like it are stupid...

    by Russman

    ... there's too much talking.... there aren't enough explosions in the first half... they spend to much time setting up the story... wahhh wahhh wahhh wahhh... morons.

  • May 9, 2003, 11:45 a.m. CST

    "Killing the Thing That You Love"

    by hipcheck13

    Seriously, what can we expect? The fucking internet/movie spies/etc. built this thing up for years and then we're surprised when the movie doesn't live up to the ridiculously high expectations we have. That's the problem with getting information every second on the second, anyway. Shit, I remember when I saw Star Wars in '77 at the Cinedome in Orange County, California - there was no internet to overly hype the thing and the buzz created by the movie was honest word-of-mouth by people who saw/experienced it, not by a bunch of lame internet spies/fact finders, or even by the filmmakers themselves. I went in to the movie without knowing one damn thing or expecting one damn thing; meanwhile in 2003 the hype machine runs 24/7, creating legend for a movie which hasn't even hit the theater yet and we're all surprised when it falls short of all the hype.

  • May 9, 2003, 11:51 a.m. CST

    and another thing...

    by Grammaton Cleric

    If someone gets the sense to give Kurt Wimmer a REAL budget; pants truly will meet shit. Equilibrium contains some of the most visceral; inventive action I've seen in years. No wires, no CGI, no bullshit. Double fisted pistol whipping, muzzle flash light shows, Travis Bickle inspired reloading mechanisms, hand to hand shootouts, brutal swordplay, and puppy saving heroics...fuckin' a...I love the Matrix and hope to dig Reloaded, but Equilibrium is the real deal. (Do you get that I kinda liked it?)

  • May 9, 2003, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Gaytrix Regurgitated !!!

    by Ninja Nerd

    Thank you, thank you for a very honest review and commentary on both Matrix films to date. The first film was cool, but not that great. The pretentious mumbo jumbo crap about a prophecy blew chunks. I really am a ninja nerd, so The Matrix was just stupid to me on both the martial arts and technology levels as well. I didn't hate it...it's a pretty good popcorn flick...but that's all. Watching green bits trickle down a screen doesn't give me a full-on robot chubby in other words. I'll probably wait for the DVDs on the next two so I can groan out loud at the new and improved goofiness without disturbing others. LOL

  • May 9, 2003, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Dickhead Twins On Cocaine

    by vicious_bastard

    Never before have I seen celebrities arrive at a premiere so obviously on coke. Even Corey Feldman covers it up better than them. Carol Vorderman got them hooked back in 2000.

  • May 9, 2003, 11:57 a.m. CST

    what did you expect?

    by boohallsmalls

    the hardest part is over, they found the one in the first movie, so as long as the matrix stills exists, all they have to do i fight in the flashy-est way possible until they program finally colapses. there won't be any great struggle and profound victory found in the first movie until they have to fight in the real world. does this really surprise any of you? if it does go back and watch the first film again, its obvious that the major battle to be one was finding and freeing the one, so once thats over its over and we're just waiting for the prophecy to fullfill itself. that said you don't watch these movies, or most sequals for that matter to be shocked or surprised, you watch it because you are invested in the characters, from the first movie, and if you aren't it isn't the wachowski's fault, its your own. they shouldn't have to waist time trying to get you to re-invest in these people, watch the first movie again before you see it! Peter Jackson was commended for not waisting time by re-telling story for those assholes who didn't have the presence of mind to watch or indeed rewatch FOTR.and kudos to him. he shouldn't nor should any director telling one movie over three or two or more films. the audience has to take some responsibilty for their own enjoyment when it comes to films on as grand as scale as these. I don't believe that the Matrix Reloaded is going to be nearly as original as the first because well it isn't. it is a sequal, inherint in definition, not original, a product of its predecessor. enjoy the damn thing for it is and stop expecting it to be the end all be of action films. Just like LOTR, you will not be able to appreciate this fully until you have all three films inhand, a complete story, begining, middle and end.

  • May 9, 2003, 11:59 a.m. CST

    I love seeing people's hopes dashed.

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    Prepare for an onslught of Star Wars Syndrome - where people want something to be great so badly that they leave any semblance of rationality stuck to theatre floor, like so much soda and popcorn. So what if it's less than stellar, you'll get over it. 'Life is pain, highness. Anyone who tells you different is selling something.'

  • May 9, 2003, 12:02 p.m. CST

    In the end...

    by BuckyKatt

    I guess with all the mixed reviews popping up, which will continue when the 'regular' press takes their shots next week, only remind us of one thing. That, ultimately, whether we like or conenct with a film is a wholly individual thing. None of the reviewers are wrong -- it's just personal taste. So I'm going into the movie next weekend with an open mind -- maybe I'll be blown away. Maybe it'll be the worst thing since 'Tomcats'. Maybe I'll shrug and say, eh it was all right. One thing for sure. Really, these reviews - good and bad - don't mean much to me. I think they shouldn't mean much to you either.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:03 p.m. CST

    A large...

    by Bobness

    ...majority of reviews giving average / negative reviews didn't seem to 'get' the first film...so maybe you shouldn't let other people sway you one way or the other. Can't wait for it personally :d.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:07 p.m. CST

    by Master Beta

    I think that even if you didn't like the movie, you could still give a thumbs up to the Wachowski's for their effort. They are putting out the best product that they can. Also cool merchandise and stuff, doing their best not to "sell-out" and make Happy Meal toys. Wouldn't it be bad ass if all studios did this? put movies out as close together as humanly possible, make a cool looking game AND let the director's do basically whatever the hell they wanted. I guess the director part wouldn't always be bad ass, but it's a start. Just my humble opinion. I'm gonna check out Reloaded on Wednesday. Does anyone know more info about Reloaded/Revolutions at the IMAX? I've heard rumors but can't find any hard evidence. Thanks.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:09 p.m. CST

    The trailer looked like shit!!???

    by Aquafresh

    The trailer I saw before X2 looked positvely mindblowing. (effects wise, at least.) the agent crushing the car? ABSOLUTELY CONVINCING. Compare that shot to the similar, obviously CGI one in Spider-Man. (A movie I love by the way, DESPITE it's less than perfect effects,) Man, it would suck to be one of you people who isn't impressed by anything. I honestly feel sorry for you. I go to (select) big summer movies, and unless they are truly awful (TPM, batman & Robin, Mummy films, etc...) I usually have a good time. Yes, I realize that they are DUMB, but so what? I'll read a book if I want thought provoking, or rent a Kurosawa film. I really don't know what some of you are hoping to find.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Didn't even read the review................

    by EdHairless

    ..but it's funny how Harry has already resigned himself to the fact that this is not going to be as good as the first. And he's going to use some bullshit analogy about really only remembering the "first" in a comic book series. It's a fucking movie and I don't care what fucking background the Wachowski brothers have. I don't care if they wear Spider and Superman underoos--this is a movie not a comic book. What about the films where the second film is better than the first. Empire strikes back, Bride of Frankenstein, anyone. I remember 5 months ago Harry Creaming in his pants over the TTT. Is he saying that he only will remember the FOTR. Is it really only Tolkien's FOTR book he remembers(or the Hobbit for that matter). Is the rules for literature different from the ones in comic books? Or is it just that Harry makes this shit up from time to time to sound like he's making some bold statement on the nature of cinema? I, for one, didn't like the first Matrix. Cool action, but it seemed like I had seen the story before. Anyway, the Matrix reloaded looks ten times better than the first one. Hopefully, the story will be fleshed out and throw some interesting curves to the audience.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:12 p.m. CST

    In a time of worry, I offer hope.

    by Grammaton Cleric

    http://www.thehotbutton.com/today/hot.button/ Poland's tiny little blurb about this movie in conjunction with SJR's feelings about the film over at the CHUD.com main page have set me at ease. Hype level....rising....again.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Matrix fans...prepare to be "Phantom Menaced"!

    by Atticus Finch

    Although I'm sure Reloaded will be nowhere as good as TPM.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:20 p.m. CST

    not comparable

    by boohallsmalls

    matrix and xmen cannot be compared. they are two different types of franchises. The Matrix is telling one story in three movies and xmen is telling multiple stories with clever ways of connecting them and adding a through line. if you want to compare movies, use LOTR or star wars. just like reloaded will, TTT struggled with having no real beginning or end. the new star wars movies suck royal donkey dick, and all though the originals dont, many people were disappointed with the resolution of the story. once you've seen the beginnings of a story your mind automatically starts trying to figure out how its gonna end or continue, and if it doesn't go your way you all seem to break down and cry like these film makers have slighted you in some way. lets get something straight: THEY DONT OWE YOU A GOD DAMN THING. you wanna be pissed about something, be pissed at George Lucas for ruining, through unitelligence and filmmaking ineptitude, the greatest sci-fi franchise of all time. if you'll notice he didn't write or direct episode 5 or 6, and in fact all his best work is producer credit and story credit. oh and for those of you who don't like dialogue: go see a fucking silent movie and shut the fuck up!

  • May 9, 2003, 12:21 p.m. CST

    monica bellucci

    by STHvenkmanWBA

    saw the matrix trailer before wolverine 2 last night. pretty decent, loads of elronds legging it after keanu. and the punching and the kicking and the monkeys and the...but where was monica bellucci? the only reason i'm going to see it and i think i blinked and missed her. STH want monica, that is all there is to it! "hi dante, i'm your girlfriend! i just want to tell you the truth about the matrix."

  • May 9, 2003, 12:22 p.m. CST

    balance things up a bit

    by i0Nic

    It seems there is a lot of negative vibes of Reloaded here at AICN, and I can't help but think that for some reason harry is picking the negative reviews to post up. If you want to balance up your expectations, go and read SJR's write up at www.chud.com. I guess I'm kinda sick of the matrix bashing that's been happening here.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:26 p.m. CST

    they showed neo's fight with seraph on leno

    by trkane

    they showed the entire fight with seraph. i was pretty psyched but in all honesty, it was nowhere near as cool as the dojo scene from the original. i think part of the reason the dojo scene works so well is the music fits it so well, and slo-mo is used to perfection. granted, his fight with seraph was much shorter, so here's to hoping they have better 1 on 1 fights somewhere in the movie.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Quentin Tarantino says...

    by VaderSabre

    I few years back I interviewed Tarantino in Boston before the release of Dogs. And he said that it's the films that have resonance that matter. Like Raiders, he said. Why all this obsession over CGI aesthetics? How many of you talk-backers work in photography, special-effects houses, or computer facilities? You kids that love to bitch...tell me what really gives you the justification to whine about how-it-looks. Are you people still pissed you can see matte boxes when you watch the Star Wars trilogy? Invariably, it's a great story that resonates. And the Matrix story isn't through yet. We don't know the entire story yet. Time and an uptight public opinion will fade and this trilogy will still resonate stronger in years to come than the latest installment of the Real Cancun or the next SNL superstar vehicle.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Does anyone remember Empire Strikes Back? or Wraith of Khan?

    by Silver Shamrock

    Yeah I thought so. Rationalization and comparisons to ancient comic books sucks. There wasn't hundreds of millions of dollars riding on Hulk #2. Maybe the brothers made Matrix #2 not as good as the first one on purpose because they are reliogously devoted to comic book accuracy! They are brilliant! Like I said before, rationalization sucks. Just admit the movie blows and move on, but don't BS me.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Thank you earthworm

    by Heleno

    Will be keeping an eye out for that matrix extravaganza. And I think bad reviews like this are useful, if only cause they keep my hype simmering instead of letting it boil over. A bit unfair at times though, as far as I can tell without having seen the damn thing yet.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:46 p.m. CST

    I always stop reading these AICN reviews as Lucas's name pops up

    by Lord_Soth

    Sellouts, bashers, naysayers, 'nuff said.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:49 p.m. CST

    I went to the opening in Westwood Wednesday night

    by BongSmokingMan

    And I have to say the movie was pretty weak. By far the worst scene was the Zion orgy/rave. In fact, everything in Zion was lame. Smith still rocks and I dig the Merovingian/Persephone scenes but overall, the story was confusing, the philosophy was heavy-handed and clumsy and the love-scenes were downright Attack of the Clones-esque. However, talking to Hugo and the brothers was a definite highlight

  • May 9, 2003, 12:51 p.m. CST

    "Didn't get it"? There's nothing to get!

    by LoudmouthCracker

    I'm inclined to disagree with those who say that the negative reviews are coming from people who "didn't get" the first Matrix flick. I've seen the first film several times--found it entertaining, in fact--and there really isn't anything to "get". Barely hinted-at arguments about the psychological effects of the falsity of one's surroundings doesn't make a film a profound, insightful look at the human mind. Neither do bullshit faux philsophical undertones. Nor do Oliver-Stone-style beat-you-the-fuck-over-the-head-with-'em literary and Biblical references. I like to think that if "The Matrix" were a truly intelligent and "deep" film, 99% of the people on earth wouldn't like it at all, or at the very least find it off-puttingly pretentious. As it is, "The Matrix" is a fun--albeit shallow and stupid--popcorn flick. Those who like the movie can generally be divided into two camps: the ones who think it's simply a good thing to stare at for a couple of hours while their brains take a siesta, and those who practically shat their pants at the notion of "reality" being fake. Congratulations are in order for the latter of those two groups, for being completely blown away and mindfucked by a concept that tie-dye-clad assholes with a Pink Floyd record and an ounce of weed have been stumbling upon for decades. Believe it or not, though, I did enjoy the first "Matrix" movie, and will likely see the second one. Y'know what I'm expecting? More of the same. Bad American kung-fu, shitloads of completely useless, pointless, and masturbatory special effects, little to no story, and impossibly sexy people wearing sexy clothes and saying sexy things will kicking the shit out of bad guys and looking sexy doing it. It's a rehash, folks, a 100% meaningless rehash of all the same crap we saw four years ago. Don't build it up to be some kind of classic trilogy or masterpiece of film craftsmanship, and certainly don't go apeshit over all the philosophical fakery in this movie. Remember... just because something took a shit on your sidewalk doesn't mean it was a dog.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Goonies: Reloaded

    by STHvenkmanWBA

    matrix, blues bros, men in black, reservoir dogs, tearing about in black suits and shades is fun. were the red n blue matrix pills really peanut butter m&m's?

  • May 9, 2003, 12:55 p.m. CST

    What's the deal?

    by Lobanhaki

    If you don't like constant action, The Matrix probably isn't for you. If you don't like philosophical discourse, the Matrix is probably not for you. The Matrix is not meant for everyone. That's part of it's charm. It's not trying for the entire audience, which no movie will ever get. It's not trying for a rigidly defined demographic, instead opting to blur it's definition of the audience across a wider spectrum. My mom actually liked it, and she doesn't like all the genre stuff I like. Don't go into the theatres thinking this movie was meant to be focus grouped to death to satisfy you in particular. Instead, understand that The Wachowski brothers have a particular vision of the story, which they've had from the beginning, and that while it's not tailor made for a particular group, that doesn't mean you're not going to like it anyways.

  • May 9, 2003, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Hey, idiot who wrote this review, warning of a spoiler RIGHT BEF

    by CoolDan989

    As for Matrix Reloaded, sure, I'll see it, but I'm confident it won't be as good as the first Matrix, or as good as X2. I'm just here for the great visual effects I've been hearing about. I know this won't be as good as X2 because that movie was not only a great comic book movie, it was a classic example of great filmmaking. EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of X2 worked pitch-perfectly and you noticed every one of them. But judging from the share of bad and shaky reviews on this site, and the fact that the only ecstatic review about this movie has been the first review (that came from a raving derelict fanboy), it's a given The Matrix Reloaded will have a considerable amount of flaws.

  • May 9, 2003, 1:03 p.m. CST

    I agree with LoudmouthCracker

    by Sea Bass

    Anyone who thinks The Matrix was some sort of grounbreaking philosophical story has never picked up a book, comic or otherwise, nor has seen a sci-fi movie or TV show before 1977. Nevertheless, with all the ripped off plot points and completly pointless slow motion and 360 degree camera movement, it was a fun movie and I expect the sequel to be the same.

  • May 9, 2003, 1:12 p.m. CST

    It's 1999 all over again.YES - IM LOVING THIS

    by AlwaysThere

    Those quiet brothers went and fucked the movie up royally.

  • May 9, 2003, 1:18 p.m. CST

    The first Matrix movie ...

    by Thing-Fish

    ... was OK, not great. It was a stupid but fun popcorn flick that had a decent premise but got dumber and dumber closer to the end (sort of like Hollow Man, except that I was more impressed with Hollow Man's special effects), IMHO. Its major flaw was that it took itself way too seriously. Honestly, I don't know why the movie has gotten such a cult status. From that perspecive it's instructive to read the Talkback to Harry's review of it: most talkbackers wrote stuff like "a good appetizer to the upcoming main course!" (referring to the Phantom Menace, which was more highly anticipated at the time). I have no reason to think that this second Matrix movie will be great. But I thought X2 was a great sequel to the first X-men movie.

  • It figures. The first movie was perfect. Absolutely perfect. So its literally impossible for the sequel to be better. Revolutions might be surprisingly spectacular, though. - I WANT YOU, but not in that way.

  • May 9, 2003, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Check this link....

    by Jaka

    ...and tell me that you are not picturing Ted...I mean Keanu...saying, "Duuuude!" I said this in another talk back. A LOT!! Of people hated Keanu as an actor before the Matrix. A lot of people did not see the Matrix in the theater and go "holy shit, that movie rules!" The heard about it slowly; from friends, or they rented it, watched it on their PS2's. Yes, it made a good amount of money. But the legend of the film really grew in the couple years after it was released. I will be seeing Matrix Reloaded at Jack London Cinema in lovely, crime-ridden Oakland CA on Thur at 12:01 (along with several THOUSAND other people). But my expectations of this film seem to be lower than a lot of other people. If it's AS GOOD as the last one, I will be more than satisfied.

  • May 9, 2003, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Check this link....

    by Jaka

    ...and tell me that you are not picturing Ted...I mean Keanu...saying, "Duuuude!" I said this in another talk back. A LOT!! Of people hated Keanu as an actor before the Matrix. A lot of people did not see the Matrix in the theater and go "holy shit, that movie rules!" The heard about it slowly; from friends, or they rented it, watched it on their PS2's. Yes, it made a good amount of money. But the legend of the film really grew in the couple years after it was released. I will be seeing Matrix Reloaded at Jack London Cinema in lovely, crime-ridden Oakland CA on Thur at 12:01 (along with several THOUSAND other people). But my expectations of this film seem to be lower than a lot of other people. If it's AS GOOD as the last one, I will be more than satisfied. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1471791/20030508/limp_bizkit.jhtml?headlines=true

  • May 9, 2003, 1:32 p.m. CST

    George Bush saw Reloaded!!!

    by VaderSabre

    This is from the AP - President Bush was so taken with the altered reality of the film that he's given consideration to repeal The Marijuana Stamp Act first created by H. Anslinger and to further push for decriminilization of use and possession of hemp. Cool, huh? Especially if you got suckered into reading this, biatch!!!

  • May 9, 2003, 1:33 p.m. CST

    "one of the greatest films of all time"?

    by LoudmouthCracker

    I'm sorry to waste more space with another post, but c'mon. You've got to be fucking kidding me. One of the greatest films of all time? Kurosawa, Kubrick, Welles, Fellini, DeSica--hell, Spielberg, why not?--Hitchcock, Wenders, Coppola, Scorsese, and Lean, for Christ's sake!

  • May 9, 2003, 1:37 p.m. CST

    says

    by frank cotton

    that, much as with most things, it will be neither as good, nor as bad, as it has been made out to be. even if it turns out to be an outright insult to the original, it will still be better than any drama, or romantic comedy, could ever hope to be. works for me. EQUILIBRIUM streets next Tuesday, May 13.

  • May 9, 2003, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Jerking it to the trailers...

    by Fart_Master_Flex

    I got so excited when I first saw the Matrix Reloaded trailer in the theater I whipped out my unit and started beating off right then and there. I even got some splooge on the guy sitting in front of me. This movie will kick ass!

  • May 9, 2003, 1:42 p.m. CST

    I GOT it, already...

    by Morton

    The level of denial is amazing...obviously the reviewers didn't GET it or Harry is only running the negative reviews--anything but the idea that maybe the movie isn't all that good. What I liked about the Matrix is it mixed philosophy and action in a cool, coherent way. Every scene seemed to have a purpose. In Reloaded it's like, 'stop the film, we've got some exposition to download...' The action is okay, but pales in comparison to the first film. It's looking more and more like The Matrix is one of those movies like Poltergeist or Die Hard, where sequels just make the original movie look ridiculous. The first one would have been a great, stand-alone hit; the sequels just turn it into another bland sci fi trilogy...

  • May 9, 2003, 1:51 p.m. CST

    "I'll hold my final judgment until I see Revolutions..."

    by Damitol

    One manta the cast repeats over and over on the press junket when discussing the trilogy is "It's really one long movie". The first one set up the problem, the last will solve it and the middle one has the unfortunate task of bridging the two with no real beginning or end. (

  • May 9, 2003, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Harry, About that FILM to COMIC Comparison

    by Drath

    I agree that these negative reviews are sobering my already guarded expectations about the Matrix follow ups. But about the "issue #2 is never as strong," point, I think that's oversimplifying and overly forgiving. Any movie is closer to a two hour version of a whole comic book arc, not just individual issues. Comics are very comparable to TV shows, but I think you'll agree that movies, even those in a series like James Bond or Star Trek, need to have bigger ambitions. But I know you're trying to stay positive, so just see it as Back to the Future 2 & 3. It'll be, one hopes, fun and simple, two more adventures with familiar characters, but the first one that caught you be surprise will stay the strongest and most original of the three (and yeah, I know all about how unoriginal these and all movies really are already). Of course the best of us won't make up their minds at all about these movies until they've seen them, but for something this hyped I can't help it.

  • May 9, 2003, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Matrix

    by carolignian

    I agree. People who don't like the movie just don't seem to get it. The Matrix is an allegory for our very own society and for almost all societies since the dawn of civilization. As the Variety review says they are trying to make a cinematic rosetta stone -- to help us decode the human condition by showing us the highlights of literature, history, and philosophy and framing the key points in a modern, easily accesible way. If you don't understand this, then you won't really get the movie at all. Also, we have reached a critical juncture in history where it is absolutely vital that the public understands this...

  • May 9, 2003, 2:04 p.m. CST

    NoOpinion: On Revolutions...

    by Gudlyf

    I thought the SAME thing about the 3rd movie -- that it'll all wind up being either A) A drug fantasy of Neo's, B) Neo in a psychiatric ward, or C) The whole thing's played on on a computer. God I hope not.

  • May 9, 2003, 2:07 p.m. CST

    REVIEWS ARE LIKE ASSHOLEs, EVERYONE HAS ONE!

    by Rcamacho2278

    People reviewing movies are making me sick, do you honestly think you need to read a review about a movie your already going to see, where the review reveals vital information that might actually allow you to enjoy the movie? I have avoided everything with the matrix and will make the determination for myself, it cant be as bad as star wars episode 1. but these days critics are so anal anyway that it doesnt fucken matter what they think. but whats really sad is how eager reviewers are ready to reveal any information on the movie.

  • May 9, 2003, 2:19 p.m. CST

    For the three people who will actually read this...

    by HappiWerld111

    I enjoyed "The Matrix." It had an original central concept (although the plot bore striking resemblences to "The Terminator"), great action (Althogh Ho Ping would eclipse it in his subsequent "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon") and some inventive special effects (Although the CGI environments looked a little cartoonish). As you can tell from all of these brackets, it was not an unqualified success with me. What struck me as the film aged was the strange adulation that attatched itself to it, as if it opened people's eyes to some new way of looking at the world. Well, I'm glad it did for some people, but I've thought about those ideas since I was a kid, and wondered how many of my memories were dreams. I think what is happening is that people have built this film into something far beyond what it actually is, and so when the next film comes along and is essentially more of same, their expectations are dashed as they are brought back down to earth. I think, because of my lower expectations, I will probably enjoy Reloaded all the more.

  • May 9, 2003, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I got my ticket for Wednesday

    by coppernorth

    See you motherfuckers there! And remember folks, it's just a movie, not a cure for SARS. Shit.

  • May 9, 2003, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Well surprise, surprise...the first one was a great bore as well

    by Sith Witch

  • May 9, 2003, 2:35 p.m. CST

    This review is an obvious plant....

    by Ishkibble

    ....that just had to be said. I'm shocked the X2 vs Matrix folks haven't jumped on the conspiracy bandwagon to claim just this to cool the Matrix heat. I think the movie itself will do just that.... So are fans gonna go see Matrix 2 as many times as they did the original? In fact, will they go see X2 for more hot mutant action? Stay tuned, true believers.

  • May 9, 2003, 2:38 p.m. CST

    The Car Chase might be the only good part

    by AlwaysThere

    If the countingdown clips are any indication it will be the best scene, and thats pretty sad.

  • May 9, 2003, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Too 'cerebral'?

    by MeMyselfandI

    I've heard many a reviewer say that the film was 'too cerebral'? As in, this is a bad thing? So basically it's bad because it's too smart? We've got a country full of MTV-mile-a-minute-attention-deprived-media vampires who can't be bothered with substance or, dare I say, a message buried within the action. Only in America can a film be lambasted or praised up and down weeks before it even reaches the masses. Well, you know what? I'm going to see Reloaded and I'm going to ENJOY IT. And to me, that's all that matters.

  • May 9, 2003, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Two Words

    by labowski

    JADA PINKET SMITH. Why??? o Why???

  • May 9, 2003, 3 p.m. CST

    How it all will end...

    by Merkin Muffley

    At the end of Revolutions, our gang will defeat the giant robots, free the enslaved pod people - there will be a big speech about how the spirit of hope can not be crushed - "we have a lot of work to do," etc. Just as we think the people have really beaten the machines, there will be a hint that the entire "victory" scenario is nothing more than artifice created by the Matrix - which is alive and well - to dupe the humans into thinking they have won. After all, happy humans make more energy than depressed or anxious ones. Put that in your water pipe and smoke it.

  • May 9, 2003, 3:01 p.m. CST

    The people writing these reviews...

    by alvinsimadeer

    seem to be of the "it was great, but not great enough" type. I hate people like that. This movie is probably really good, most people will enjoy except for anal critics and people who think they are critics, and will make lots of money.

  • May 9, 2003, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Idiot..

    by Sith42

    For whoever bitched about the SPOILERS, did you notice that the link on the front page was CLEARLY marked SPOILER? Moron. Speaking of spoilers.. Trinity dies, but Neo saves her when given the choice of saving her or Zion. Of course, I've also heard that Cypher returns too, so hey.. Too much BS floating about this movie. Just go in with realistic expectations, cause there is a *TON* of exposition, and it DOES suffer from EPISODE 1 Syndrome. (Talk.. walk to the next fight.. Talk.. walk to the next fight..) The characters don't participate, but rather observe the film around them. And whoever said there's no real threat in this, they were spot on. The Wachowski Bros are better than this, and the rabid fans are setting them up for a fall. It's a good thing the 3rd film is made, otherwise, the backlash on this film have killed it. -T

  • May 9, 2003, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Have you guys read the review at CHUD yet???? YOU MUST!

    by Cyco_Clown

    The guy already saw Reloaded TWICE! And even mocks Harry saying: "I must suck a LOT of Warner Brother cock, huh?" His review is much more coerent and it's spoiler free. He said that, once you know the ending, seeing the movie a second time gives you an entire new perspective and turns out a lot better experience. It's one of his favorite movie of the year! Check out CHUD.com NOW! Of course I have to check the movie myself, but I'm glad the Wachowskis actually have something to challenge the audience. I remember many people having mixed feelings about the fist movie, even I liked it better later.

  • May 9, 2003, 3:17 p.m. CST

    I've seen REVOLUTIONS

    by 60watts

    and it kicks ass. the third part - the computers LOSE the battle of the matrix, but as they're dying, agent smith finds a way to graft copies of himself into the brains of those Neo and Morpheous are "awakening" Agent Smith is now in the "REAL WORLD" -- these Smith Humans form an army and attack zion. Before Neo and friends can figure it out, the Smith army is killnig people left and right... the tide of the battle turns and then the Smith Agents are losing, until there is one last one. This last smith punches Morpheus in the chest, and ZAPPPP morpheous turns into AGENT SMITH - glasses and all... Neo and Trinity bug the fuck out (this is supposed to be the "real") we find out all along this zion battle has just been the SECOND LEVEL OF THE MATRIX -designed by the Core as a kind of FIREWALL. Everyone dies except NEO who escapes this second level... REVOLUTIONS ends as Neo escapes in a CAVE, the only "one" to be truly "free" He crawls out to the light to see the real world...

  • May 9, 2003, 3:21 p.m. CST

    BAH! NONE OF THIS MATTERS!! ROTK WILL DESTROY ALL!!

    by Darth Phallus

    Matrix will still kill X2 tho.

  • May 9, 2003, 3:23 p.m. CST

    60watt got a good imagination

    by coppernorth

    Right.....

  • May 9, 2003, 3:27 p.m. CST

    jeez... this is insane

    by kid icarus

    Look, I don't know if the film will be good or not. But the whole comparing of X2 and this film is ludicrous. X2 was a great sequel because the first was an ok film. The first X-Men was not that great. The sequel had no where to go but up. The Matrix, on the other hand, was an ambitious and fresh film. The sequel will never be able to create the "wow" spectacle that the first established. As for the reviews, well Variety gave it a good review and it seems that those that saw it at MTV Movie House enjoyed it quite a bit (mtv.com).

  • Did anyone else see that add where all the movies are called what they really are: Hack movie by hack director from a hack screenwriter, movie with 2 big stars who have no absolutly chemistry, etc etc. I thought it was hilarious. I'll reserve judgement on Matrix Reloaded untill I see it but all this talkback reminded me of that comercial.

  • May 9, 2003, 3:44 p.m. CST

    FUCK YOU MATRIX HATERS F-U-C-K- Y-O-U ALL!!!!

    by JimmyRabbit

    This movie will kick some really big ass (including Harry's) Did I mention: FUCK YOU MATRIX-HATERS

  • May 9, 2003, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Regardless of whether this film is good or not...

    by A Winner Is You

    I have a strange feeling that the world will continue to turn. So what if this movie sucks? It could never possibly live up to the hype, simply because we were given too many indications all along as to what to expect. The Burly Brawl, the 15-minute plus car chase, getting to see Zion, etc. It's physically and mentally impossible to get excited about something if you know most or all of the details about it in advance. The same thing could be contributed to how advance hype over the Helm's Deep battle from TTT was one of the greatest in cinematic history... only to end up just being slightly above average. The reason why the original worked better was because so little was revealed in advance about the movie, in the teasers and trailers and otherwise. This time around, however, most of the money shots have been revealed... Oh well, people shouldn't worry so much about a single movie. It doesn't pay your rent and doesn't care if you love it intensely and it doesn't love you back...

  • May 9, 2003, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Soundsa like Kelldra doesn't know crap.

    by slone13

    Everyone knows this movie is going to kick ass, even if it sucks. I think that's the best way to put it. All the naysayers will be there opening day anyway, you all know it. End of story.

  • May 9, 2003, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Matrix Reloaded

    by vernonlee

    I saw the film last night and have to agree w/the reviewer's comments. There was a lurching quality to the action, as everything slowed to a crawl as a couple of characters pontificated for a while. Worth seeing, but probably best if you downscale your expectations.

  • May 9, 2003, 4:01 p.m. CST

    For members of BoxOfficeMojo, BoxOfficeReport, and IGN Forums

    by AlwaysThere

    Don

  • May 9, 2003, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Did someone jut admit to liking HOLLOW MAN?

    by slone13

  • May 9, 2003, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Matrix blows chunks

    by lemmdin

    I rented the Matrix I and thought it was the goofiest piece of garbage I ever saw in my life. The Matrix was more like watching a really bad 2-hour video game than watching a real movie. I loved all the sci-fi classics (Alien series, Terminator Series, Pitch Black, Face Off, etc) but the original Matrix is certainly not one of them. Totally cheesy acting, cheesy dialogue, cheesy effects, super fake cheesy fight scenes, everything about htis crap-fest is pure cheese. Lord have mercy the only thing this movie could be compared to is the Power Rangers. Heck I enjoyed Mortal Kombat the Movie more than this Matrix b-movie like farce. Not in a million years will I ever understand the apparent wide appeal of this stinking pile of doo-doo.

  • May 9, 2003, 4:09 p.m. CST

    wait a minute

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    The first martix may have had some minor high school philosophy attached to it, and a little mysticism a la Bhudda thrown in it too - but that doesn't mean it was 'stupid'. That was a smart movie. It didn't lack awareness of what it was, or what it wanted to do for an audience. That's fucking smart. The problem here is, most of you don't know what you want. And fail to see genius unless it slaps over the face with concepts that you don't understand. It's not a 'popcorn' movie, or any of that shit (though these new ones may end up being so) - it's a classic hero tale - stylishly presented and breathtaking in its scope and vision. That's pretty fucking smart to me. Stupid movie? What have you been watching?

  • May 9, 2003, 4:12 p.m. CST

    To X-2 Fanboys: FUCK OFF

    by ReservoirDog45

    God, If I have to hear one more of you people even try make the comparison between the Matrix and your beloved X- Man I'm kicking ass. Understand that you can't make that kind of a comparison, here's why: 1. Matrix is an original screenplay, this fact alone make it one step over any adaptation. 2. Matrix has a plot with substance, it works with the most inner workings of your mind, not just fucking super heros in a gay, comic book cliche' story. 3. Fight Sceens: The Matrix can really do it all; guns, bombs, knives, or some good ole fashion kung- fu. Whats X- men got, fucking cookie cutter fights: Wovlerine slashes dudes, Pyro sets some guy on fire *yawn*. Come on even if it doesn't meet expections than if will still be the follow up to a movie that can kick X-1 and 2'a collective ass. So shut the fuck up until you see the movie amd stop with the dumb ass, comic book nerd, fanboy slave shit. Christ!

  • May 9, 2003, 4:26 p.m. CST

    More hope for fanboys (myself included)...

    by npauerk

    Take a walk over to chud.com and read the comments at the beginning of the Monica Bellucci junket interview. Apparently, as flawed as it seemed on the first viewing, the editor saw it again and found it much more to his liking.

  • May 9, 2003, 4:30 p.m. CST

    CG COVERS LACK OF TRAINING, LACK OF ABILITY, LACK OF SERIOUSNESS

    by watashiwadare

    IF YOU WANT TO DO KUNGFU, TRAIN ALL YEAR, EVERY YEAR. WHAT HAS MR. REEVES DONE IN THE INTERIM TO JUSTIFY NOT TRAINING LIKE A MARTIAL ARTIST? HARDBALL? THE WATCHER? DOESN'T HE AND THE REST OF CAST HAVE ENOUGH INCOME TO TAKE 3 YEARS OFF AND HAVE THAT MUCH MORE TRAINING? THE BORING BLOCK-PUNCH 1. 2. STYLE OF CHOREOGRAPHY WORKS BEST WITH NOVICES, HUH? HOW COME THE ACTRESS IN THE TRAILER CAN'T EVEN DO A SIMPLE LYING STANCE WITH HER FOOT AND HEEL FLAT TO THE FLOOR INSTEAD OF TOE POINTING UP? CGI FU DOES NOT LOOK LIKE REAL HUMANS FIGHTING, EVEN THE FABRIC LOOKS CGI. YUEN WU PING APPEARS TO BE COLLECTING PAYCHECKS WITH HIS TWO NEW HOLLYWOOD JOBS, NOT MAKING UP NEW SHIT. BTW MY CAPS KEY IS STUCK.

  • May 9, 2003, 4:31 p.m. CST

    The Matrix is just plain goofy

    by lemmdin

    Being hit over the head with some bizarre cliched pop philosophy by an Aunt Jemima look-alike (the so-called "oracle) is not my idea of an "intelligent" movie. I doubled over with laughter when the "Great God-like Oracle" who presided over the Matrix world turned out to be some Aunt Jemima-look alike (literally) who was shown frying chicken on the stove (or was it pancakes LOL!) Really, how the hell does anyone take this silly nonsense seriously? At best, the Matrix is a comedy-spoof of science fiction films along the lines of Galaxy Quest (a goofy spoof of Star Wars).

  • May 9, 2003, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Dark City of the Matrix....

    by tensticks

    I liked the Matrix but didn't love it. I loved it when it came out a year earlier and was called "Dark City". It was smarter, hipper, more stylish, and covered similar thematic and conceptual ground with a HELL of a lot more substance. I'm sure I'll enjoy M2&3, but...well who knows. Go on, flame away. Oh yeah, I like Star Wars, LOTR and XMen, so I guess I'll flame myself while I'm at it....

  • May 9, 2003, 4:44 p.m. CST

    strange persons

    by pooneil

    Why do people get so pissed about negative reviews? You haven't seen the movie yet, so you obviously have NO FUCKING IDEA if it's good or bad. Wait a week, see the damn movie, and then call them idiots. The people writing reviews have most likely seen the movie, making their opinion about 100% more relevant than yours. SHUT UP.

  • May 9, 2003, 5:07 p.m. CST

    I'm with HappiWerld111

    by Voice O. Reason

    He said everything I was thinking. Good job, dude.

  • May 9, 2003, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Suck a cock.

    by doo-doo

    I love how all you silly little shits find it so easy to announce that W. brothers have fucked up their own movie. They're making what they set out to make. It belongs to them. Period. Maybe it's time for some of you cock-smokers (who, of course, have oh-so-much talent that all you can do is talk shit in a forum) to step up to the plate and try to create something from the ground-up. Oh, that's right, you pathetic fucks can't even come up with a simple idea. Shut your fucking bitch-holes.

  • May 9, 2003, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Offensive - Reloaded

    by JaPra

    I take deep offense at the insinuations presented by comparing the now deceased Gloria Foster and Aunt Jemima, an image on a box. As someone who is half African American and half Caucasian the sting travels deep. I still cannot believe that in this day and age there are people with temperments such as that. Have we not moved past such stigmas as people of this world? I come to these talk backs and am dumbfounded by the extreme use of profanity, the character assaults and the obvious maturity level of a 13 year old boy. These talkbacks have become these havens for crude behavior, intolerance and indifference.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The beauty of both of these Matrix films [Reloaded which I have seen recently] are the tolerance, the racial harmony and the subtext. Of course these films are not the deepest films ever released, nor are they original in story vehicles they use. How many times must it be said that the originality is in the telling and NOT the story itself. The Wachowski Brothers took old ideas and reprocessed them and retold them in an interesting and NEW way. As mentioned before the subtext is not the deepest I have ever experienced but it does go further than just the surface. These films bring up valid philisophical questions about life, choices and the path that we choose. They take real issues and make them, well, fun, or not-so-boring. It's so strange to see people's opinions about Reloaded shaken because someone chooses to not be as favorable with their comments as they may have expected . Watch this film for yourself, make up your own opinions. ----------------------------J.M.Prater

  • May 9, 2003, 5:26 p.m. CST

    According to dark horizons, ROTK might be over 4 hours long!!!!

    by Nice Marmot

  • May 9, 2003, 5:51 p.m. CST

    See Equilibrium Instead

    by Argonut

    I also saw Matrix Reloaded last night and agree with the reviewer on nearly every point. It's a yawner. The first Matrix film had me riveted from beginning to end. This one had me checking my watch, especially during the video game action sequences. After the 20th slow motion backflip, it starts getting old. Equilibrium comes out on video next week. I saw it in the theater and it has ruined every action film I've seen since. Not a perfect film, but 10X better than Reloaded.

  • May 9, 2003, 5:53 p.m. CST

    here's some friendly advice

    by lemmdin

    If you want to learn about life, go to college and take a philosophy class. It makes you sound like complete retards to say that you have learned about life by watching some cheesy contrived movie like the matrix. what exactly have you learned? that you are living in a fake reality? And you believe it? Hello, McFly!! It's only a movie!! and really, you have to wonder about the "intelligence" and intellectual capacity of the posters who practically put the matrix on the same level of a shakespeare play when every other word that comes out of their mouths is "F*ck you!" and "F*ck this," "F*ck that!" Sorry little kiddies, but you do not learn about life by watching Hollywood action movies.

  • May 9, 2003, 6:03 p.m. CST

    CAROLIGNIAN.. GET IT????

    by Dr. Death

    I'm assuming by your post that you were just joking. But just in case an idiot like you does exist... An allegory for our society?? Get a life!! The Matrix is a good popcorn flick and that's about it. Don't expect much from Matrix Reloaded.

  • May 9, 2003, 6:08 p.m. CST

    (Crap) + (Jada) + (Monica) = 3(Crap)

    by joesstuph

    Add overrated crap (The Matrix) plus a crap model/actress (Monica Bellucci) plus another no-talent crap actress getting by on her husband's name and questionable talent (Jada Pinkett-Smith) and you get three times the crap you would have normally expected! No surprise that it will be bad. Gee, maybe all the Matrix-philes will realize that it's not easy making a successful trilogy.

  • May 9, 2003, 6:11 p.m. CST

    BILL & TED reLOADED

    by Red Raider

    I can't imagine these sequels being as bad as this review put it, but if I remember correctly, there was a huge sequel that was released in 1999.............

  • May 9, 2003, 6:18 p.m. CST

    I've figured it out.

    by kintar0

  • May 9, 2003, 6:19 p.m. CST

    EQUILIBRIUM.

    by ABAR

    this low budget sci-fi action flick had some impressive and inventive action scenes (i.m.o superior to the Matrix), Give Kurt wimmer a higher, more important budget and He'll pulverise the matrix trilogy

  • First, watashiwadare, thanks for clarifieing on the cap lock issue. For a bit I thought you were yelling everything, which didn't really fit.---------------- Second, I agree about the Dark City comparisons (which have been around since the week the Matrix was released), but I think the Matrix pulled it's "concepts" off a little better than Dark City.-----------Third, I like the ideas people have thrown out for the third film. Someone should write those down and see if anybody is right. Even if they are wrong, those ideas lead me to this: What if the Wachowskies are just totally fucking with us. I mean the movies are called RELOADED and REVOLUTIONS. What if everything that happens in RELOADED (and the first one, which now bugs because it doesn't have an R subtitle...no, I'm not really serious. So save the fuck you, you stupid moron for someone else. Or at least give me a better reason for calling me that (yes, I too am wondering if anybody really reads these things (talkbacks that is) just leads to a huge mindfuck in REVOLUTIONS? I kind of like that concept.-----------Fourth: I'm glad someone who CLAIMS to have seen it twice commented, because I am sticking to my first comment about how this films following grew for a good 2 years after it was released. During that time the "mythology" of the Matrix was built. Whether or not the second and third continue that mythology or crap on it remains to be seen. But it does look like I may have to see this one more than once as well.------------Fifth, and most important! I agree with the guy that said none of this matters because ROTK is going to rock the planet. There is no way that ROTK will not gross at least $500 dometically. You can quote me on that!

  • I think they are two of the few American directors who could truly pull off DBZ in a "real world" setting. Man that would be bad ass! I am reserving judgement of The Matrix Reloaded until I see it which is what everyone should do instead this pre-emptive bitching that some of the haters seem to like to do.

  • First of all, I agree with you, so don't get all in a bunch. But I also think the opinio and question you posted are a little naive. Particularly with you racial background. There are MILLIONS of racists, just in America. I can't speak for other countries because I don't live there. But racism is still on of the biggest social issues we have in America. And not just racism against skin color. Sexual preference, what religion you practice, how much you weigh - come on already! People judge these things every five seconds in America. It's an almost subconcious action. So while your disdain is understood and agreed with, the way you phrased it just really strikes me as naive.

  • May 9, 2003, 6:48 p.m. CST

    I feel like I'm in a Brothers Grimm book........

    by FookU

    with all of the trolls that are lurking in this forum.

  • May 9, 2003, 6:56 p.m. CST

    DBZfan

    by Jaka

    HAHAHHAHAAA! You are the only one lurking my friend. Also the only one obsessing over a crap ass piece of shit cartoon. Most anime is just as crappy as most American animation. Just like American animation, there are exceptions to the rule. But you know what, if I see one more sex pot female character portraid as a 9 year-old looking girl with eyes the size of her firsts, I'm going to puke, right there. I worked in a video store in the early 90's. We carried Anime on vhs and lazerdisc and all the geeks would obsess over the shit then. MOST OF IT IS CRAP! JUST LIKE MOST AMERICAN ANIMATION IS CRAP! Thanks for giving me a good laugh before I head home for the weekend. I do wish you the best of luck with your DBZ live action movie desires though. I just wonder where they will find a cast that has eyes that big?! HAHAHAHHAA! Oh, I guess they could just CGI their heads....HAHAHHAHAHAA!

  • May 9, 2003, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Jaka that must be short for.......

    by FookU

    Jackass! It's OK if you don't like anime that's your right. But many people do like that style of animation and you only show your ignorance and intolerance by attacking other people. God I wish I was as perfect as YOU!

  • May 9, 2003, 8:11 p.m. CST

    matrix allegory

    by carolignian

    Our own society is hierarchical in its power relationships. The vast majority of symbols encountered in our daily lives are produced by the few and the powerful, and disseminated to the many in a top-down fashion. Examples include, brand logos, media images, news text, billboards, books, etc. These images and symbols may bear little relationship to the actual truth. Thus from a certain point of view they can be considered simply as meaningless text. The Wachowski brothers have represented this idea by the falling green text that shows the encoding of the matrix.

  • May 9, 2003, 8:30 p.m. CST

    It's a madhouse!! A MADHOUSE!!!!

    by Morton

    Jesus, look at the panic and hatred spreading all over the place! I was really thinking this movie about philosophy and stuff would bring us all together...

  • May 9, 2003, 8:39 p.m. CST

    matrix allegory

    by carolignian

    Of course the idea that all the representative symbols around us be viewed as simply 'text' (not necessarily containing truth) has been discussed at length by many post-modern philosophers. But anyway, in one of the trailers, when they show the logo for Matrix: Revolutions, the green text begins to flow upwards, signifying a new social order.

  • May 9, 2003, 9:01 p.m. CST

    LOL. I can't wait until people are saying "The Matrix Reloaded"

    by alvinsimadeer

    raped their childhood.

  • May 9, 2003, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Bad reviews means a good movie

    by rutan07

    Before Spiderman came out last year almost every review from this site was gushing over the film. It was the pinnacle of comic moviedom said just about all who saw Spiderman early so I went to the movies expecting an amazing time. Spiderman blew, was absolutely the worst comic book film of the new comic book movie craze. So if reviews on this site on any indication The Matrix Reloaded should rock. So many people here have hated it, it has to be good.

  • May 9, 2003, 9:11 p.m. CST

    mbaker

    by Dog Of Mystery

    Dude...I'm glad you're first and all..but have you considered the cost of your actions? No one respects you anymore. No one likes you anymore. In fact, were you to kill yourself tonight, no one would even bat an eyelash... And that, sir, is sad. Fuck first posters. Fuck them upt their stupid asses...

  • The parts in Tohan were like some BAD shakesperean period piece. Draggy. I saw in the local rep and seeing it without the anticipation, crazy sound monster size, it wasn't that great. I hate saying it but the best part was the orcs. Really well done. EVERYTHING else was pretty nmothing. Including the battle scene which I thought rocked on first viewing....I uhh, kinda wondewr if ROTK won't be too kid cheezy. I don't think the LOTR trilogy will stand the test of time. Intersting but not great. ...I can't believe I am saying this but I think the Star Wars crap will go down better in the long run. Watch 'e,m at home. See Vader at work in Empire and ROTJ - then look at ATOC and you get a real sense of tragedy. This guy fell down hard....Flame-on - I previously panned AOTC as crap but repeated viewings have changed my mind - though you have to be in the right mood for the love scenes, to be sure. Matrix 2 - well the original is playing now on local tv and uhh, I'm reading this talkback and listening to mp3's. You know what I mean? I sure hope 60watt is right, cuz that sounds better than anything I have read so far. See y'all at the theatre Wed/Thur.

  • May 9, 2003, 9:44 p.m. CST

    uhh that's Rohan not Tohan - typo

    by C'Michael

  • May 9, 2003, 10:13 p.m. CST

    I'm laughing so hard at all this shit....

    by Jon Lee Ander

    anthdunjYou know as well that whatever happens, everybody (and i mean everybody) will be saying "i told you so" and that their opinion was right. I bet all the people who are determined to hate this will, even if they like it, pretend to still hate it afterward. Oh and Spacehunter (if that is your real name) what exactly is a "FAGIT"? your brand of Oscar Wilde-esqe drawing room wit is leaving me confused.

  • May 9, 2003, 10:14 p.m. CST

    *laughing in the background*

    by Zone Zero

    What sort of "review" was this? It seemed like most of it was based off of junket previews and trailers. Sorry. This review sounds questionable at best. DON'T BELIEVE THE PRE-REVIEWS. That's my policy and I'm sticking to it. Second, The Matrix: Reloaded, if this review could be believed, could not rely on the tricks it pulls in the first. As far as I know, bullet-time is still in it. Although I doubt we will see as much 360 camera rotation gimmicks. Simply put, they aren't going to do the same thing twice with this movie. The hype is killing it, though. Getting all the haters juiced up to try and drop it before it gets off of the starting line. Stop hating. At least untill after the release. Then I'll believe you...

  • May 9, 2003, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Ahh well

    by TS Thomas

    It's probably easy enough to say this being I am indeed a fan of The Matrix - Many reviews at the time that was released were "so-so" in general. It's just one of those films you either "get" or don't. Time magazine didn't like it? Well, that's fine by me. I'd also didn't really "get" the first film on the first viewing, or at least not all of it. A repeated viewing & I did. Oh well, whenever it's released over here I'll know for sure after 2 cinema trips.

  • May 9, 2003, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Holy Monkey! Lot's of anger in here!

    by Saluki

    Wow... Yes, the story on Chud ( http://www.chud.com/news/may03/may9matrixjunket1.php3 ) is funny. I imagine this will happen to many other people. I just find it funny that every positive review tells me nothing (how I like it!) and every negative review just HAS to explain the entire plotline from point A to point Z. No thanks. Equilibrium? Wooden acting in boring locations with two good action scenes. Sorry, but again, no thanks.

  • May 9, 2003, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Need to watch the movie twice to like it?

    by AlwaysThere

    What the hell? One time should be very good indicator of how good it is.

  • May 9, 2003, 10:41 p.m. CST

    This is starting to look like the Robocop series

    by 20th Century Fox

    I liked THE MATRIX. I did NOT love it. I did NOT think it was a pardagim shift. I thought it was a good film that focused on its story and characters rather than just mindless action. However when the first one came out we had 13 y.o. kids saying "its groundbreaking", "a new cinematic era has dawned" etc. Goth was in... Now its four years later and the expactations for this flim have grown. I got a funny feeling that those who were raving about the first film will be sorely disapointed by this second one. They said the same thing about the first Robocop movie also. Then came Robocop 2 and we all know what happened to that franchise. I'd be happy if the Second film just entertianed me like the first one did. Sadly if it the film just entertains I have a feeling the fanbase for the films will be severly disapointed. Also its R rating is going to hurt (theatres are enforcing rating codes more than ever these days.) something the first film did not have to deal with. Lets wait and see...

  • May 9, 2003, 11:32 p.m. CST

    "The first film is good, a fun little flick ..."

    by allykatD

    Uh.... NEXT! That quote right there told me to cease reading this review and dismiss what it says. It is obvious at this point that she and I are on entirely different levels when it comes to "The Matrix", and that's okay, really, but I don't recognize her name and calling The Matrix a "fun little flick" tells me that maybe action sci-fi films are not her interest.

  • May 9, 2003, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Wow, Harry...

    by Ribbons

    That "There is no bar" line really pissed you off, didn't it?

  • May 10, 2003, 12:15 a.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT!!! Something to notice...

    by Merkin Muffley

    SPOLIER, (YES. I'VE SEEN IT, TOO) The wall of video monitors watching Neo in act I of Matrix as he is taken in by Smith for questioning ARE THE SAME MONITORS IN THE ARCHITECT'S ROOM IN RELOADED! This is so cool. I had been bothered that there was no evidence of the architect in the first movie - BUT THERE IS!! The brothers DO have a plan. Fear not. Very subtle, very cool. The kind of detail that will pay off over time. Impressive.

  • May 10, 2003, 1:01 a.m. CST

    1999 was a good year for movies

    by coppernorth

    The Matrix came out of nowhere. The Old Master left a masterpiece with Eyes Wide Shut. A new master gave us Magnolia. Star Wars was back! Hopefully we'll have another good year like it again.

  • May 10, 2003, 1:03 a.m. CST

    "The Matrix is the sexiest tomboy benpole on the planet!"

    by Physicist

    So says Bruce Handy of Vanity Fair.

  • May 10, 2003, 1:33 a.m. CST

    I suspect Reloaded may be a let down, but I KNOW a lot of the ba

    by jules windex

    Every other commercial I see lately has something to do with Matrix.

  • May 10, 2003, 1:54 a.m. CST

    And the Commercials SUCK

    by AlwaysThere

    Jebus. The beer (I wont even give the makers credit) commercial sucks. That place is supposed to be a club hell knock off from Revoluitons?-----and that Gatorade drink ripoff (they dont deservs mention either) is equally bad. Some horrible actor is playing an agent trying to get we to drink that green crap? Hell no. I should also mention the Cadillac commercails and ESPN commercials too, but that would be a waste of time.

  • May 10, 2003, 2:04 a.m. CST

    I've always looked at The Matrix as a live-action anime film. An

    by Amy Chasing

    I think it'll rock! I loved Ghost In The Shell, and thought many of the stunts, camera angles, and story style in The Matrix were live-action adaptations of scenes from GITS. Now, GITS wasn't a perfect movie - it had its slow bits, some of the action was far-fetched, and some of the dialogue was corny (especially the English dub - what depressants were the voice actors on) but it's anime. I find eastern-influence sci-fi/fantasy requires a different type of suspension-of-disbelief than western sci-fi/fantasy. So go into any Matrix film with your expectations in anime-mode, and it shouldn't disappoint! I hope.. ;-)

  • May 10, 2003, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Matrix is for pimply anime fans and losers who think they're bei

    by Otaku_Hater

    Grow up and watch a real movie, ya douchebags!

  • May 10, 2003, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Bullet-time was lame when the Rolling Stones used it FIRST in a

    by ZeroCorpse

    The Wachowskis just ripped off the Stones and the crap wire-fu from the newer, awful Hong Kong shit. I'd much rather see a classic Bruce Lee fight scene than some lame wire-fu in slow motion in treetops and rooftops. Hell, I'd almost rather watch Mr. T and the A-Team deliver pulled punches on TV than watch animated NEOs and agents flip around like ritalin kids.

  • May 10, 2003, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Ugh. DBZ live action? Are you REALLY that stupid?

    by Otaku_Hater

    Yeah, besides the fact that DBZ is about the gayest shit on the planet (Hamtaro is only slightly more lame), there's the fact that a live-action DBZ movie would feature a bunch of silly looking actors with their hair gelled up into spiky points, midget old men, green guys, and some LAME-ASS fake martial arts wire-fu. You are right, though- If ANYBODY is crappy enough to make a live DBZ movie, it would be the Wachowskis-- Or maybe Joss Whedon.

  • May 10, 2003, 2:24 a.m. CST

    here we go again

    by skywalker831

    Summer is upon us and here we go again with these silly reviews. When Matrix first came out four years ago It got some horrible reviews. Most if not all summer movies get bad reviews. Its the name of the game. Thats the way it is and there is nothing you can do to correct that. But then a strange thing happens when part two comes out. Part one instantly becomes a classic. "Why is part 2 so bad when part one was such a classic" the critics will say. They proceed to tell us the fun and originality of the first one is now missing. The great acting of the first one is now missing. And on and on and on. I dare you to find a movie were this did not happen. Remember Austin Powers 1 got crappy reviews, then part 2 comes out and part 1 is all of a sudden a classic comedy. Remember Terminator got crappy reviews, then part 2 comes out and part 1 is the gratest action movie ever filmed. Star Wars got crappy reviews and then part 2 comes out and wala part one is an instant classic. The list gos on and on and on and on. Screw critics, who gives a damn what they say anyhow.

  • May 10, 2003, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Matix ReHoganated

    by Magnus_Steele

    "Matrix for life brother! You're going down Neo dude!"

  • May 10, 2003, 3:41 a.m. CST

    So now everyone hates the matrix.....

    by NoOpinion

    <sigh> AICN talk-backers have developed into a stereotype, and every talk-back just seems to re-enforce it. So now everyone hates the Matrix, or at least is saying it

  • May 10, 2003, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Reloaded is this year's The Phantom Menace? It cannot be!

    by nazismasher

    Because the year The Matrix came out The Phantom Menace was that year's Phantom Menace and now you're telling me this year's Phantom Menace is The Matrix! YOU GOTTA' BE SHITTIN' ME!

  • May 10, 2003, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Actually I still think Reloaded will be kick-ass.

    by nazismasher

    I will judge for myself.

  • May 10, 2003, 4:37 a.m. CST

    I saw it -- and was majorly disappointed! (no major spoilers)

    by spikezgirl

    I have to agree with the negative reviews. While the highway chase scene is justly praised, the rest of the movie really let me down. I just rewatched The Matrix again and it just reaffirmed what was wrong with the sequel. Reloaded is too talky -- every new character is introduced with a lot of boring exposition. Also, the fight scenes, like the 'burly brawl' are too CGI to be enjoyable. Compare to the first film, where we saw and felt the blows, and Neo was allowed to get hurt. Now that he's THE ONE, he fights with that robotic, zen-like calm that is really quite boring. There's no suspense in any of his fights. Morpheus and Trinity's fights had me on the edge of my seat, because they were more real, and had more danger to them because you weren't sure what would happen. Zion was ... kind of odd and unworthy. I missed Tank a lot -- I guess the actor had a salary dispute, but sure would have loved to have him back. There are some thoughtful twists about The Matrix itself and how it works, but it's delivered in, yep, a pedantic way that just slows the whole movie down. I'd give the first movie a 9 or 10 out of 10, and this one a 7 out of 10. I think it will open huge but won't see the repeat business of the first one.

  • May 10, 2003, 5:07 a.m. CST

    That's what you get when you're first movie rips off a little un

    by TheGinger Twit

    ...yup, you heard me.

  • May 10, 2003, 5:48 a.m. CST

    MATRIX: THE WORST PIECE OF INCOMPREHENSIBLE CRAP EVER

    by SupermanV

    Who gives a shit about the sequel. The first one was garbage. I can't believe people could possibly enjoy it.

  • May 10, 2003, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Classic Example

    by NoOpinion

  • May 10, 2003, 6:54 a.m. CST

    It's very simple

    by PsychoBirdz

    Let's not kid ourselves. We all know it is very difficult to follow anything great, in any field of art. I mean, drug addicts spend their whole lives trying to duplicate that original high, unfortunately never realizing that it's virtually impossible. Note that I said virtually. There are those rare times in life where the stars are aligned, the air temperature in the room is perfect, your barber finally cut your hair the way he used to, and you found a girl that doesn't make it feel better than the first time, but makes you feel different than all the others; and that's when true trilogies made for the screen, like Star Wars change the game and make it "virtually" impossible for anything after, even itself, to exceed it's standing in film history as the greatest sci-fi experience known to mankind. And remember, those were the last three in an anthology of nine, and ESB was the second and best in the triology. So, ultimately, let's just take some pressure of these guys and ourselves to try and duplicate that high that reality got, not just from the first Matrix, but from Star Wars. I rest my case.

  • May 10, 2003, 9:57 a.m. CST

    How about Equilibrium?

    by ZackdaBear

    I'm always dissapointed when people judge movies before they see the movie themselves. It has happened to me many times. Until you experience a movie personally you'll never know how you react to scenes designed to give you a reaction. I'm sure the majority of movie-goers know this but it's usually hard to tell from comments like "I'll wait for Revolutions to come out." In my opinion, the first reason this movie won't give people the same tingly experience is because we "know" what the Matrix is already. Those great tv and movie ads for the first Matrix were wonderful, "What is the Matrix?" Those ads are what made me go see the first Matrix. The second reason is because the Matrix seemed more like a movie designed for one movie and that's it. I'm getting tired of trilogy movies coming out just for the hell of it(and loads of money of course). If anything, I think they should've made only two movies the first Matrix and a pre Matrix showing how the AI took over(a 20 minute animatrix anime episode isn't good enought). Well, if you read all that crap I wrote you'll get to my real reason for posting. "Equilibrium" is one of my favorite movies of all time. Yes, I know it took chunks of ideas out of many movies(what movie doesn't?!? Christ), but the cinematography and overall atmosphere was wonderful in that movie. May 13th is its DVD release and I suggest anyone with the pre Matrix woes to rent or buy this and they wont be dissapointed.

  • May 10, 2003, 10:21 a.m. CST

    well...

    by PolyesterRage

    i think there could be two seriously badass endings for this. one would be if the whole "real world" (not the matrix real world, but the real real world) is also a matrix. or number 2, this whole thing is just one big dream, and everything starts all over again.

  • May 10, 2003, 10:28 a.m. CST

    oh yeah...and another thing...

    by PolyesterRage

    the bad thing about a matrix sequel, is that you already know that neo is the one, and you know that, in the matrix at least, he can do any fucking thing he wants, and it doesnt matter what happens to him, becuz even if he "dies" he doesnt really die, becuz he like, can accept that the whole thing is just one big illusion. and if he wanted to kill agent smith, couldnt he just do what he did to him in the first one? even if there are "a hundred agent smiths" oooh! it doesnt matter, its still all in the matrix. and neo like, owns the matrix. or then couldnt he like, stop the agents, just like he stopped the bullets? ugh, or am i over-thinking all of this?

  • May 10, 2003, 11:03 a.m. CST

    MORPHEUS COULDN

    by The_Lion

    I knew they would try to bush out some gay "philosophy" shit on this one. There will never be another Yoda, bitches!

  • May 10, 2003, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Yet another glowing review...

    by A Winner Is You

    http://www.moviecrap.com/films/matrixreloaded-3.shtml The Matrix has you? I'm not so certain...

  • May 10, 2003, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Otaku_Hater you are a bitch-ass little fuckboy.

    by FookU

    Fuck you. I didn't ask for your opinion about a DBZ movie. My son loves the show and would love a live-action movie which is in fact in development. But since your probably some sterile little pimple-faced geek fuck college boy bitch you didn't know that. I don't care if I get banned my friend told me this place USED to be a cool place to post but it had degenerated into a place for assholes to criticize anything that they don't like. The movie is in development according to the official site. And my son and other kids will probably love the shit out of it. If it's not for you the wonderful because I hate to have to subject my child to the piss poor attitude of a cock smoker like you.

  • May 10, 2003, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Is it worse than LOTR?

    by Skeletor500

    Surley it can't be? But from the reviews I've read it seems to be suffering from the same problems as that franchise. Bad acting, awful pretentious dialogue, boring action and it's taking itself far too sriously.

  • May 10, 2003, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Matrix, Schmatrix...

    by Otter

    ...I'm waiting for Equilibrium Rebalanced, and Equilibrium Recalibration.

  • May 10, 2003, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Back to 1999

    by coppernorth

    Dick Hertz, what kind of films do you like? I'm curious?

  • May 10, 2003, 1:10 p.m. CST

    The Matrix is CHEESE

    by velocity

    The costumes, the character names, the shitty Kung-Fu fights, the 'gimmicky' effects, the guns, the shades, the dialogue, the acting, the music, hell even the titles 'Revelutions' and 'Reloaded' reek of cheese.

  • May 10, 2003, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Let the BACKLASH commence

    by Avon

    I was awaiting the backlash. The fucking Producer is a dick who hyped everything to oblivion. It's funny how many of these talkbacks are now totally anti-Matrix. I liked the talking and philosophical aspects of the (1st) movie. If Reloaded is that times 2 then I'll personally like it a lot. The review is very one sided. A good review would point out the goods things about the movie as well as the bad. It's either deliberately out to make people think the movie is bad/boring for some reason or the movie genuinely is that way. I'd go for the former.

  • May 10, 2003, 1:25 p.m. CST

    The Matrix Films Are TOO smart for stupid people hahaha

    by Avon

    also many of the reviews such as the one here: http://www.moviecrap.com/films/matrixreloaded-3.shtml state an obvious point. To appreciate the movie you will have to see it more than once. Seems pretty obvious that a movie with all those philosophical idea's and layers will need to be seen a few times. I liked the Matrix but I enjoyed it more as I saw it again and could appreciate how 'smart' a film it is. Half the problem is the Matrix films are too smart for a lot of people and they resort to saying how boring or complicated things are. Well fuck it, go and watch something less taxing on the mind.

  • May 10, 2003, 1:25 p.m. CST

    there will always be antagonistic disputes about sci f/fantasy f

    by eau hellz gnaw

    becuase they attract fans who are loser geeks. Star Wars, Star Trek, LOTR, and the Matrix. All of them range from vastly overrated to total ass.

  • May 10, 2003, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Matrix backlash is sexy and has Vitamin F

    by Frank Black

    Negativity is king in these message boards. They should be called message "bored," because it feels like movie goers are too spoiled to deserve anything close to the Matrix and it's sequels. The movie doesn't have to be much better than the trailer for me to love it! A lackluster Matrix is better than 100 shitty releases. To these negative reviews, I say "would you like some cheese and crackers with your "whine?" Go see "Daddy Day Care" or "What a Girl Wants" so those of us who appreciate what went into these movies can see Reloaded multiple times this coming weekend. Make no mistake, a few little jaded babies won't prevent this year from being "The Year of the Matrix!"

  • May 10, 2003, 3:02 p.m. CST

    about the whole "if you don't like certain artist/film/book/etc.

    by eau hellz gnaw

    ...it's a cop-out. it's just a little trick that talentless, pretentious artists and their loser fans use to try to make themselves invulnerable to criticism.

  • May 10, 2003, 3:18 p.m. CST

    What happened to the cinematography?

    by EdEdwards

    "everything is wide shots" anyone else notice how crappy the lighting, and camera angels are? I was surprised Bill Pope was the same DP as the first. If this film does suck, my theory is that the W. Bros stretched themselfs too thin (2 big films, a video game, the cartoons)should have just done the films.

  • May 10, 2003, 3:23 p.m. CST

    All you assholes that are bitching about Reloaded...

    by Beatrice_Kidd

    ... are going to pay $9 to see it anyway. Fuck the Matrix Haters.

  • May 10, 2003, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Matrix Good, Reloaded Bad

    by Argonut

    All you Matrix fanboys need to stop defending the film like a mother badger until you've actually seen it. I am a big fan of the first Matrix movie and I also watch a lot of anime. furthermore, I still think the Wachowskis are very talented. They just made a bad film with Reloaded. It happens. Sorry to rain on your parade. I was excited about it, too. I wanted it to be good. Of the five people I talked to after the screening, only one liked it. And these are all big action/sci-fi fans. So maybe one out of five of you will think it's a great movie. Or at least you'll convince yourself that it is. Many of you have already done that.

  • May 10, 2003, 4:12 p.m. CST

    No Opinion and skywalker831

    by alvinsimadeer

    You guys are right on target.

  • May 10, 2003, 4:19 p.m. CST

    More reviews.

    by Brian 2000

    Here is one: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1122457/reviews.php?critic=all&sortby=default&page=1&rid=1136875 ouch *1/2 Here is another: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1122457/reviews.php?critic=all&sortby=default&page=1&rid=1137039 Woah. *1/2 stars again! If you Matrix fans want to actually read a good review then head on over to http://www.eonline.com/Reviews/Movies/Scoop/Archive2003/030509.html...unfortunately that guy works for E! and both sounds and looks like a total moron.

  • May 10, 2003, 4:27 p.m. CST

    The MTV show

    by coop

    I'm not saying it's a good source but on that MTV movie review show, the audience seemed really happy after they saw it. I'm not just talking about the people they talked to, but watch the crowd coming out of the theatre. They were all fanboys too so I expect to at least enjoy myself when it comes out. Just don't expect it to be the best movie ever. I expect a good popcorn flick and I doubt I'll be disappointed. By the way, finally saw X2 last night and I loved it.

  • May 10, 2003, 4:38 p.m. CST

    I know this is off topic... sort of

    by PurityOfEssence

    Is there any truth to the rumor that there will be a ROTK trailer atached to reloaded?

  • May 10, 2003, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Otaku_Hater - Worst Troll EVER.

    by Zone Zero

  • May 10, 2003, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Otaku_Hater - Worst Troll EVER.

    by Zone Zero

    Okay, Otaku_Hater, you've just got outed. How you like it? Your little rant has no intelligence, no point, and no hope of even trying to anger me. You are a tard. A drooling, blathering, close-minded, facist tard. You don't impress me, and nothing you can do will validate your existance. All you know how to do is spew your toxic wast all over these boards, and make those who actually give a damn about a movie look bad. You should be really proud of your accomplishment. While your at it, why don't you grab a razor blade, and apply it to the atreries in your wrist! You'll do us a favor. Now back to the topic at hand. There is a backlash against the hype, I hate it myself. Not because it's so massive, but because it's so... empty. It's the same shit every time. I'm going to see the movie, and I know I will like it. But what bothers me is that there is such a hounding of this film, that the sheep will follow blindly like lemmings off of a cliff. If Matrix: Reloaded fails, it's not because of the movie, it's because of us. The ones too scared to say we're going to see this movie, and we will with 99% certainty like this movie! You don't know how a pseudo-majority can influence the masses using agressive tactics well placed flame-baiting, and trolling. That's why people aren't hanging around here anymore, that's why people lambaste Harry. Not because he's a sell-out, but because they hate a site that has become nothing more than a troll-breeding facility, and blame him.

  • May 10, 2003, 5 p.m. CST

    While I have yet to see Reloaded...

    by PurityOfEssence

    I still find it amazing how many people here get so self-righteous over shit like this. I mean come on it is just a movie. I really enjoy The MATRIX, but I can't judge the second until I have seen it. Regardless if it sucks or not, some of you guys need to ease up; on the pro-matrix side, don't be offended if someone bashes the movie and tear into them, if you see it and like it that is great. If you don't like it thats okay too. The anti-matrix (sorta funny sounding isn't it) people who keep trashing something you haven't seen yet you're being idiots also. If it sucks then fine - just don't devote all your time to saying how much it sucks, and find something that you would rather watch. Further don't act like you are above such or superior to others, and would never watch a film that is liked by the "common people". I swear some people here talk about movies with such arogance it just seems to me that you either watch them for purley accademic purposes or so you can find a way to trash it on this message board, which is a sad existence. But if thats how you get off... Anyway, you get so wrapped up in your own personal oppinions that you begin to beleive that they are supierior to the opinions of everyone else. It is absolutly shocking how many snobs are on this board. These People who are so wrapped up in thier own mental masturbation and psychological self gratification of feeling somehow supierior than another by tearing them down, they probably don't even really like films other than the ones they think it is okay for someone thier own grand intelect to like. blah blah blah

  • May 10, 2003, 5:06 p.m. CST

    another thing; why are Matrix talkbacks always full of people sh

    by Jon Lee Ander

    What a load of crap!

  • May 10, 2003, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Thanks Zone Zero

    by FookU

    Thank you. I feel validated knowing I'm not the only one who feels that way. Unfortunately I had to stoop to his level to make my point but regardless the point was made.

  • May 10, 2003, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Sounds like Matrix 2 suffers from Star Wars disease...

    by Cabron

    It takes itself and its world too seriously and forgets to be a movie. Self-important sci-fi is not entertaining. Where is the Hitchiker's Guide already?

  • May 10, 2003, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Taken from a review

    by Avon

    I happen to think this is pretty sensible sounding: "Unlike "The Matrix," all fights and stunts -- including a 14-minute freeway chase -- have a disturbing tendency to repeat intricately choreographed action. Thus, computer technology and overkill supplant the ingenuity of the original film's action. How this strategy of raising the bar in special effects and annotating most nonaction scenes with philosophical and mythological references will pay off in the final chapter may ultimately validate the Wachowski brothers' choices in this film. As the Matrix deteriorates in "Revolutions," much of "Reloaded" may resonate in ways we can now only imagine."

  • May 10, 2003, 7:54 p.m. CST

    http://www.waxy.org/archive/2003/04/29/star_war.shtml

    by A Winner Is You

    Watch and learn, padawan.

  • May 10, 2003, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Relax!!

    by pooneil

    It's just a movie! Go smoke a bowl, take a cold shower, whatever. Just repeat to yourself "it's only a movie, it's okay if people don't like it, i don't have to spread my geek-wrath over the internet". I saw the damn movie (the first one, that is) on TV last night. It was funny. I enjoyed it. Keanu Reeves is a master of subtle comedy and slapstick. I plan on seeing the sequel, but who actually knows if it's as uproarious as the first one? Well, apart from the handful of folks who've seen it and made comments...but most of the angry people haven't seen it yet. In the FOUR DAYS before it comes out, watch DARK CITY, or GHOST IN THE SHELL, or go read a book by WILLIAM GIBSON or PHILIP K. DICK. Go buy some drugs, for god's sake. Get a job, get a girlfriend, get a life...

  • May 10, 2003, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Amen

    by coppernorth

    Amen, Pooneil. Amen.

  • May 10, 2003, 8:37 p.m. CST

    furthermore...

    by pooneil

    If I disliked The Matrix because I "didn't get it". It was because all the "philosophy" and mind-bending, reality-distorting stuff were things that I'd already come across in books or thought about myself. There wasn't much new for me, except for the ridiculous fight scenes and entirly impossible physics. Did anyone notice when Neo fights Smith in the subway station: Smith punches downwards at Neo's chest, and Neo flies back and UPWARDS, instead of down...I understand it's a computer simulation, but it's apparently not a very good one, is it? And why do they need all the guns? If the agents could zip Neo's mouth shut, why can't they just delete his head, or something? My girlfriend loves this damn movie, so I'll have to endure the sequels, and I need these plot holes filled!

  • pooneil, relax guy! It's just a movie!! Anyways, moving on to your questions. I would have to check out that fight scene again to be sure, but there are two things to remember. First, Agent Smith punches people HELLA far. Second, it wasn't some 90 degree angle that Neo flew, it was a small arc at best. The second question I think relates to after Neo has unhooked from the Matrix, and when he and Trinity attack the building. The Agents can only control those bonded to the Matrix, aka the ones in the goopy slime. Once the inhibitors come off, you can flip around, shoot people really well, and all around kickass without the fear of Agents being able to control you since you hooked back in through your own route. Now if the question was concerning why the Agents didn't just wipe Neo's brain before he was freed, well, the Agents can't do that. They would actually have to REMOVE a part of the brain in order to change someone's memory. They can make you think you are breathing real air, or that your mouth is closing shut and so on, but they can't erase REAL memory. They have the means to, but Neo wasn't a threat at the time, and the machines are capable but they don't seem to see giving people brain surgery all around as priority. Intelligent life is valuable to the machines, so they also don't randomly kill suspects right off. This message sounds like a high school course in bla blah blah, so I'll just stop before I start talking about religion. When people start talking religion and "The Matrix", I just tune out. Thanks, but no thanks.

  • May 10, 2003, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Equilibrium was really kool.... Matrix is too

    by UberSpectre

    People want ot kick my ass when I say I liked Equilibrium more than Matrix... I know Matrix restarted sceince fiction and blah blah ... I love science fiction and I want more and I also can't wait for the Equilibrium dvd coming this tuesday.... Now with MR that movie will be good.... but not REALLY good I mean the fights will be good and bullet time will rock but what more cna they do?... The only major cool thing are the Twins those guys are kool but the 2 things I will hate about this movie is 1.That scene with the agent jumping on the car looks SO BAD 2.Will Smith's wife in this movie to play another "cool black person" and she bothers me a lot All I want(Which I know doesn't matter for shit) is that it all ends with the robots defeating the humans

  • May 10, 2003, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Thank you, Saluki

    by pooneil

    Thanks for clearing stuff up. I admit that when the movie was on the TV last night, I only caught it from their visit to the Oracle to the end. I think I actually did like it more than when I saw it three years ago (I didn't take it seriously, though) up until the part with the "Guns. Lots of guns" line and the slaughter in the federal building. Now everything makes more sense (with zipping Neo's mouth shut), but I'd still prefer something more creative than all that shooting. It makes me queasy. I did kinda ignore my own advice, didn't I?

  • May 10, 2003, 11:20 p.m. CST

    I liked Robocop 2

    by Roger Thornhill

    Sure, it's no where near as great as the original, but it's one vicious sequel that I actually liked. The pitch black humor still works well with the over-the-top violence that the original had. Irvin Kershner also directed that little known sequel titled The Empire Strikes Back. The franchise really fell apart when the PG-13 Robocop 3 came out in 1993 (it was completed in 1991). It was an obvious attempt by the studios to "expand" the audience for the Robocop series and it failed miserably.

  • May 10, 2003, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Dick Hertz, you're one of the reasons why Hollywood churns out c

    by Roger Thornhill

    Dick Hertz: "The kind that entertain me. If I want intellectual stimulation, I'll read Italo Calvino or something. I go to the movies (notice I said MOVIES, as opposed to "cinema" which is what hifalutin twats go see) to either be distracted for a few hours or as a cheap place to take a girl on a date. "-----> It's people like you who see films as a form of escapist entertainment that aides Hollywood in it's endless production of bland, formulaic films. I bet you're a huge fan of Hollywood romantic comedies right? Wasn't My Best Friend's Wedding the best damn thing you've ever seen? Imbecile.

  • May 10, 2003, 11:44 p.m. CST

    matrix

    by CaseyP

    Hi. This my first post so here it goes. I got my Matrix tickets today for a showing on Wednesday at 10. So I am pretty happy that I got to bypass the whole line thing. I know that prebuying tickets iis bad but, I have made to the big three in the past year and am ready to stop having to wait allday in line. Has anyone noticed that the Matrix is like a total rip-off of all of the great sci-fi, anime', and graphics that have been around for the past twenty years? I mean I can undestand why people like the movie, but they also don't seem to realize that the guys that made the films are using them. They are taking all of the neat cyber-punk/neo-goth popculture and patte'ing it into a package that is nothing more that gay fetishism. But it is so annoying to hear all of the religouse metaphors that people come up with. But everything has religouse metaphors in it. That is what makes a peice of art good. I mean have you guys even read Farenheit 451, I mean can't you see that Beatty's character is the serpent offering the apple when he gives his speech before he dies. Isn't the whole point of science Fiction to create a new world, and in that world declare somekindd of phiosophic uniqueness that brings you to your knees when you consider the weight of the new idea? What makes good science fiction is to not be fictional in the sense that it is a fantasy, but to be real, to echo the world that we live in? I am not denying that the Matrix somehow lacks this but want to remind people that the matrix is like chicken soup for the cyberpunk's soul. It has nothing new to say, but only regergitates it into a pop-psych drivel that rips off the ideas of more or less every aouthor in it's genre, I mean what are the royalty checks that they sent out worth? Or did they decide to just use genre, which was well established to market ideas transcribed in the novels of the greats to ten year olds who think ninjas are cool?

  • May 10, 2003, 11:44 p.m. CST

    cinema vs. movies

    by pooneil

    Ummm...did Dick Hertz say anything about romantic comedies? All the movies he listed were pretty good, fun movies, and not really formulaic crap. If that's what he liked, he would've said "Indepedence Day", "Godzilla", and "Armageddon". Those are movies that are seriously stupid, and good to laugh at, but sort of insulting. "X-men" and "The Matrix" and "Star Wars" are hella entertaining but don't require you to be retarded to have fun. Read the dude's post before dissing him.

  • May 11, 2003, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Movie vs. Cinema

    by coppernorth

    Movies, films, no difference. I personally believe cinema can truly touch people and change their lives. Some people like "In the Mood for Love." Some like "Billy Madison." It's all good. PS-RELOAD WILL ROCK!!!! (sorry, couldn't resist)

  • May 11, 2003, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Matrix fans...prepare to eat crow!!!

    by MrBlutarsky

    I love this. I absolutely love this. Now all you Matrix fans are going to get yours. All of you fanboys that bash the new Star Wars movies are going to get what's coming to you. This movie is going to suck, and it's going to suck in a major way. First off, let me just say that I was never a fan of the first Matrix. I thought it was an okay sci-fi movie that had WAY too much slo-mo, and the most overblown self-important dialog I've ever heard. Not to mention it was never at a loss for a cliche. Alice and the rabbit hole, I can show you the door you have to walk through it, etc. BORING!!!! Not to mention just the mere presence of Keanu Reeves. Is there a more famous non-actor in all of Hollywood? Every time I look at him he looks like he's ready to fall asleep. Maybe that goes hand in hand with his performance in the Matrix. And could Laurence Fishburne be just a little more monotone? Plus the whole "You can't be dead Neo, because I love you" shit. COME ON!!! And you people bitch that the Anakin/Padme romance is lame? At least Natalie Portman is hot. Carrie Ann-Moss...isnt. Grab her ankles and make a wish. When the Matrix came out all you fanboys jerked yourselves off into oblivion claiming this was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Plus I hate to burst everyone's bubble but Matrix was NOT the first movie to use the 360 degree camera work. But since the first movie that DID use it tanked (and sucked) it doesn't get the sole credit it deserves. So this year all you geeks had your hopes pinned on this movie. Until Return of the King comes out. There's a few movies that could each stand to be at least an hour shorter each. But I'll save that rant for later. Now word comes that this movie wont be the orgasmic experience you expected it to be. So now you're all running for cover. Trying to justify the faith you've put into what's going to turn out to be just another run-of-the-mill summer movie. Harry's "nobody remembers issue #2" rationale is the most blatant example. You all sit here for months, sometimes years trying to get the inside word on what is happening with the movie. Waiting for that first picture from the set. Saying how kick ass the trailer is. How the Wachowski's did it again. Actually they did do it again. They put out another cinematic turd that, no matter how bad it really is, fanboys will go to their graves defending just to save face. Personally, I can't wait for the backlash that is coming. Why the venom against this movie? Because I am a Star Wars fan. Because, even in spite of Jar Jar Binks (no defending that one), Star Wars has more wonder, awe, and imagination in one battle scene than Matrix has in the whole movie!! Humans are batteries? Ok. Whatever. Cyberpunk shit. Now sure, Phantom Menace didn't live up to hype. How could it? Show me one movie that could. In all fairness I guess, how could Matrix Reloaded? BUT....all you geeks got on the SW bashing bandwagon long before the movie was even out. You had seen Matrix that year, creamed your jeans, and became convinced that nothing could top it. So all of us that didn't care for Matrix, and loved Episode I (and II for that matter) had to deal with your idiotic ranting. You all try to make yourselves sound smarter than you really are. Hey, if you're all so fucking smart, why aren't you out there making the movies, instead of hiding behind your computer, bashing them? I doubt the majority of you even has a girlfriend (or boyfriend, whatever the case may be). You hid behind your computer because that is your entire world. You have no life in the real world. Maybe that's why you identify with the Matrix so much. People can be God in the computer, but in the real world, they're nothing. Ring a bell? Am I hitting home with you? Wow. Do I feel better now. This was a long time in coming. The point of this whole tirade is simple...let me speak for Star Wars fans. Star Wars fans and Matrix fans are equal in one area. We will defend our beloved movies no matter what. But here is a FACT none of you can ignore, and this comes from the heart of every Star Wars fan.....We've had our Phantom Menace. Now you're gonna have yours. Now if you'll all excuse me, I'm going to go have sex with my wife.

  • May 11, 2003, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Mr. Blutarsky has lose his fool mind!

    by coppernorth

    What the fuck? Come on...

  • May 11, 2003, 1:10 a.m. CST

    funny...

    by imageburn13

    my roomate fell asleep during the first one. I didn't. I actually found it funny that he did. But that seems to be a recurring theme...

  • May 11, 2003, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Zone Zero: HAHAHAHAHA!

    by Otaku_Hater

    If I don't matter, then why did you spend half an afternoon writing that scathing post all about me? I must have gotten under your skin big boy! Is it my name? Since all Americans who call themselves "Otaku" are about the nerdiest morons on the planet (especially since "Otaku" is a negative word in Japan, meaning basically "obsessed nerd" but American "Otaku" think it means "Anime fan!")--- Or was it that I hit the nail on the head in pointing out The Matrix's fanboys and flaws? We all KNOW it's going to suck. Look at the MERCHANDISING! Matrix is shilling for every crappy product on the market! They're even trying to market Matrix Reloaded CELL PHONES, and I know JUST the crowd who will buy them! But hey- Who ever said I was a troll? I'm not here trolling. It's just my opinion, and I *am* entitled to my opinion, which is that The Matrix is pretty lame in the greater scheme of things. I wrote stories back in 3rd grade that had more developed plots! Hey, man- I'm not saying all people who watch the Matrix are losers... I watched it. I'll probably see the sequels at a matinee--- I just think the poor, pathetic douchebags who base their LIFE on The Matrix, DBZ, and Anime (some to the point that they THINK they're martial artists) are laughable little peons. If you happen to fit that mold, don't be mad at me! You could model your life on worse things- Buffy The Vampire sLayer, Enterprise, American Idol, etc.- But Matrix fanboys are a special kind of retard, because they THINK they're being deep ("whoa, dude- It's like, What if the Matrix is REAL and we're like, all in it right now? Whoa!"), when actually they're pretty silly and shallow, and obviously in need of a good shagging.

  • May 11, 2003, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Fooku. Get over it.

    by Otaku_Hater

    I don't particularly CARE if your whelp likes DBZ. If he's a little rugrat, then that's FINE. I'm talking about the ADULTS who run around thinking it's the coolest show on the planet. I mean no harm to your little twerp. I would like to point out, though, that while you sit there and dish out swear words, curses, and make assumptions about who I am and what I do to cocks, It's a LOT MORE LIKELY that your little brat is picking up DADDY'S attitude and use of foul language than it is that I'm doing anything to the munchkin. If they make a DBZ movie for under-12-year-olds, that's great. That's about where it belongs, intellectually. But if they make one and intend it to be an adult thing (which they are most likely doing) then it deserves to be the pile of crap it's destined to be. By the by- I'm a LOT older than you think. I hate anime because it was- at one time- a real art form. Now it's crap. It's watered-down, worthless, poorly-animated junk. Nothing after 1995 is worth watching. America is making better animation than Japan these days, and that's pretty sad. I'm sorry if you take offence at MY OPINION, but damn it- Dragon Ball Z is a 12-year-old cruddy Japanese weekday afternoon cartoon that is being marketed to death in America, and the PRIMARY buyers are 20-somethings (kids) who think it's "badass"--- And it's just NOT. They are entitled to their opinion, but I can't find one thing worth praising in DBZ. My comments were not meant to be an attack on 6-year-olds who watch cartoons, because THE AVERAGE TALKBACK POSTER IS NOT A 6-YEAR-OLD! I was addressing the adults out there who think Matrix and DBZ are a way of life, and like to run around pretending they're ninjas. If you fit that group, I'm sorry. Either way, I didn't say anything that I'd consider worth you letting loose a barrage of curses. We're just talking here, pal- And YOU are the one who got inflamatory when I expressed my (albeit strong) opinion on DBZ. Hey, Take care of your nosepicker, but don't accuse me of ill will toward the little snot-nose when it's YOU who seems to be fast-and-easy with the negativity and foul language.

  • May 11, 2003, 1:44 a.m. CST

    In Defence of Dick Hertz (I can't believe I typed that phrase)

    by ZeroCorpse

    Now come on- Why are you attacking the guy because he says he watches movies that entertain him? Do you have some GRAND NOBLE reason why you spend a couple hours in front of a screen? Does it serve some higer purpose? Are you scanning each and every film for significant allegory or metaphors for life, death, love, blah blah blah? I don't know about you, man, but I see movies because I'm interested in the subject matter or because I want to be entertained, or sometimes because I want to be educated. Are you telling me that Dick and I (and the rest of the world) are DOING IT WRONG? We've been all wrong about why we go to the movies? Oh my gosh! You mean if I had paid EXTRA-SPECIAL attention to "Leon", I'd have learned the meaning of life? If I had looked in the background of "The Godfather" I'd have found the deep philosophy that the filmmakers REALLY meant for us to see? YOU MEAN TO SAY that if I had just squinted a bit harder at "Modern Times" I'd have gotten that it was not really a humorous commentary on poverty during the industrial age, but instead held some sort of SECRET MESSAGE that only the film-student elite were destined to decipher? Oh My Stars! And I thought movies were just for fun or to get a message across! All those years I spent as an aspiring actor, and I had it ALL WRONG! All those years in film school, and I was WAYYYYY off base! Movies are supposed to be SERIOUS FUCKIN' BUSINESS, huh? Shit. I guess I'll go back and watch "Jaws" to find the deep, serious social commentary and secret meaning! ---Sarcasm mode off---

  • May 11, 2003, 4:07 a.m. CST

    The Matrix is for idiots

    by lemmdin

    Is there a single sympathetic character in the Matrix? The acting is so stilted and cold, I didn't give a rat's ass about any of the characters. Keanu Reeves is a total doofus who couldn't act his way out of a paper bag. You might as well hire the a robot to play his role because that is exactly what he sounds like and every other character in the Matrix. I've never seen such detached and unemotional delivery in my life. And this gang (Neo, Morpheus, Trinity) is suppose to represent the HUMAN race?? They sound just like the damn robots!! ZZZZZZZZ. Thats what I did half way through the movie.

  • May 11, 2003, 5:19 a.m. CST

    I can't beleive I'm doing this......

    by Jamalio

    I can't beleive I'm doing this, its kinda sad, posting a message that no one will probably ever read, that expresses my opinions. But fuck it anyway. In my opinion, i'm not too sure if these reviews are looking at M:R as a logical progression, and therefore, sequel, from the first. Its a completely different animal. Sure, the first one was about revelations and a main character finding their way and discovery and shit, but this one is about living the discovery and saving the world. There are retreads and their are progressions, and as this one is preplanned and shit it will be a progression, a very different film entirely. I think people who longed for all that stuff in the first will be dissapointed, but hey you know what? Go back to that one. At the end of the day this film is just eye candy, every time I see that mofo trailer I stink at the rear end. And the Wavkowskis proved in the first one that they are very confident, even cocky (Bound lesbian film even demonstared this), films makers who sure as hell know what they are doing, and you don't have to be a complete geek to know that warner have given them complete freedom to do what they want, and this is what they want. Besides, it's not complete like the first one is, its cut in half with the 2nd out later. This is so cool, because they basically need four hours to expand upon the themes and shit so you get the first 2 hour one and the mind blowingly expansive second that is four fucking hours!! This is cool. Don't listen to the reviews, they sound as if the film makers have lost their way but due to the amount of time spent on this with painstaking detail and shit I sincerely doubt it.

  • May 11, 2003, 5:34 a.m. CST

    matrix:reloaded

    by wilsonj

    I hear ya on the comic #2 never as good as #1, but don't lose hope. Think how much better Empire was than Star Wars!

  • May 11, 2003, 6:15 a.m. CST

    Matrix Reloaded's gonna wreck cars into the box-office this summ

    by confident_man

    And i Phrophisize a record-breaking opening weekend!! It's gonna unplug all yall!!

  • May 11, 2003, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Otaku Hater, you are misinformed.

    by Zone Zero

    It took me no more than oh, 5 minutes to write that. I had nothing else better to do. I was bored, so I came on over to AICN, and what do I find? An elitist prick bastard who thinks his excrement doesn't stink. Next, yes, I do know what the hell "otaku" means. You know what one translation means? "Fan". Not "Fanboy". Yes, in Japan it ahs the weight of an insult, but if you look at things objectively (which you have no ability to) you should ahve figured that out. Finally, what is wrong about having hobbies? Some collect baseball cards, some are movie fans (like most of the people who actually have something constructive to say here.) and some are Japanese animation fans. Hell, even though I don't like them, I know there are Star Trek fans out there too. There are all kinds. You just feel too cool to admit you are yourself a "Fanboy". You say you're an Otaku Hater, when you yourself bother posting here, a site for fanboys of every ilk. Just to spread your so-called hate. You know something, friend, you are a hypocrite. A conniving, flamebaiting, ill-concieved hypocryte. Who is so transparent, his motives are laid bare for all here who care to pay attention to see. Let the people have their fun. It's jerks like you that aren't welcome around here. And if it means I'll get banned for this tyrade, so be it. I care enough for this web page and it's LOYAL posters who give a damn, to risk everything just to defend it. the people here have EVERY RIGHT to speak about their likes and dislikes about movies. It's just when they're misinformed that they sound like the pathetic fools that they are. It takes no effort for me to type this, because this is something I will not back down from. To me, this is written martial arts, and I will duel anyone who dares disrespect the dojo. TRY AND CATCH ME, BITCH.

  • May 11, 2003, 9:31 a.m. CST

    ROGER THORNHILL

    by frank cotton

    a man with excellent taste in film - i never have understood all the disparagement of ROBOCOP 2 - what cinematic sin did it commit? ROBOCOP 3, yeah, that blew chunks - bullshit PC storyline, PG freakin' 13 rating, sorry effects - the only remotely interesting idea in the entire flick was the jetpack. by the way, thanks for cracking on MY BEST FRIEND'S WEDDING - stupid chick flicks. i think part of the reason for these anti-MATRIX posts is that way too many people can only enjoy a film when it is jeking their emotional chains, and can't be put upon to actually THINK in response to an idea. then again, they could just be a bunch of idiots - it's a hard call.

  • May 11, 2003, 9:46 a.m. CST

    This film may be bad, but at least Hayden isn't in it.

    by FluffyUnbound

    There is nothing this film could do to be as bad as TPM or AOTC. Nothing. The cast and crew could spray paint my house and pour gasoline onto my lawn, and do nothing on film but read aloud from The Critique of Pure Reason in the original German, and it still wouldn't be as bad as TPM or AOTC. So any Star Wars fans thinking that a failure here will take the heat off of the festering pile of dung that is the prequels should drop that hope like rough sand.

  • May 11, 2003, 9:52 a.m. CST

    relax...

    by gripman

    These are the rantings of a comic geek with no life...this movie WILL rock...I'm sure the Washowski's aren't to concerned that a few lifeless dorks will have to keep searching for lifes true meaning... relax and enjoy it...

  • May 11, 2003, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Reloded to the fullest

    by mvp23

    All the critics should stop talking bullshit because matrix reloaded is the undisputed champion of action movies of our time!!!!!!!

  • May 11, 2003, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Matrix reloaded to the fullest!!!!

    by mvp23

    All the critics should stop talking bullshit because reloaded is the undisputed champion of action movies of our tim !!!!!!

  • May 11, 2003, 12:09 p.m. CST

    MrBlutarsky! Surprised? To see me?

    by Saluki

    MrBlutarsky, just using a line from the Reloaded Trailer, I couldn't resist. Anyways, I think your correct on a lot of points, but off on some others. I've seen countless posts about "Star Wars sucks Matrix's crap", "Star Wars bows down to LOTR", and even the old "Star Wars is kid's games compared to Star Trek". We've all heard it, seen it and read it, yet, that isn't going to make me dislike another franchise. It will make pissed off at the fanbase, but what can you do? There is no single representative, so of course there are going to be different, and even harsh opinions all around. I happen to enjoy all those franchises, but The Matrix just appeals to me the most. I didn't think Reeves was sleepwalking, I highly enjoyed Fishburne's monotone delivery at points, and while Natalie Portman does more for me than Carrie-Anne Moss... Well, I'm not going to turn her down if she offered. Still, the point of defending all of these "reviews" is somewhat valid. I don't enjoy these negative reviews because every last damn one just HAS to tell me the ENTIRE frickin plot. No thanks. Still, to discredit every review later on, going on about how "Critics don't matter" and then shutting ourselves down, ignoring what really IS bad will only hurt the final product and the consumer. I'm not big into "Cyberpunk", but the Matrix isn't all about that genre, so I can manage. It uses different aspects of different cultures and technologies to create a new view on the world. What else does that? Star Wars, baby. Star Wars. My suggestion to you MrBlutarsky? Stop caring about the Matrix fans and their sex lives. Understand that many of them actually don't think they're "deep" or "smart", but they just don't see themselves as "utter frickin idiots". Dear GOD man, you have a wife craving "the force", you don't have TIME to enjoy our misery! Priorities!

  • May 11, 2003, 12:51 p.m. CST

    On Jada...

    by FlickChick

    Just because she's Will Smith's wife and can be annoyingly loving to him and the kids in that back-in-the-day-Kathy Lee-way. She is a FINE actress who has simply had zero to shyt roles of late (my guess is part of that is focus on the fam' and possibly and directing, and the other is limited casting because of her color...before you jump on me, it's a similiar situation with the underused Kathy Bates and her weight/age). Anyway, I have a hunch, those who are Jada-hating didn't know her pre-Will.

  • May 11, 2003, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Let's set the record straight Otaku_Hater

    by FookU

    I don't use that kind of language around my son and I'd appreciate a little more respect when you refer to him otherwise you'll get your ass handed to you.

  • I now remember why I don't post on message boards. I made the mistake here and won't do it again. It's because of people like you. And you (Otaku Hater)say you're much older than I think....well act your age! Either way I'm sure you live with your mommy in her basement and have some menial little job making just better than minimum wage. To all the other people here I wish you well and I hope that people like Jaka and Otaka Hater will get a life or learn some social skills. I'm gonna go back to just reading the reviews and watching everyone else argue instead of joining the argument. And Otaku Hater I guarantee you that you wouldn't refer to my child like that to my face because you would get your ass handed to you. Ahhh...I feel better already. Gotta go I have a real life to live in the real world.

  • May 11, 2003, 1:29 p.m. CST

    KEDRELL IS THE BIGGEST HOAXER

    by NickVA

    Transcript from yahoo.com/movies... I never said it would be bad... by: kedrell (27/M/So Cal) 05/11/03 12:59 pm Msg: 983 of 985 Just that it probably not be the top grosser. I hope it's great but some of these new clips they just released are starting to worry me. Esp. the one with morpheus giving his speech. I mean WTF?! "We're about to have our way of life destroyed(maybe in a matter of hours or days) but in the mean time, let's through a friggin' rave party!". Not very believeable. READ THE MIDDLE LINE WHERE IT SAYS " THE NEW CLIPS HAVE ME WORRY" ...WTF This guy is unbelievable! He spent hours on writing up his review for the Matrix Reloaded based on seeing the clips and other critics who are attempt to skunk us up. I smell a rotten egg away from miles away. And I thought we all review legitimate review sources. I DOUBT IT! Kedrell has us deceived! -Nick

  • May 11, 2003, 1:36 p.m. CST

    I REPEAT WE ARE UNDER ATTACKS

    by NickVA

    I see a lot of trolls in this forum. ^ . ^

  • May 11, 2003, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Hope Harry would try to post ligitimate review

    by NickVA

    We all should tell Harry that because there are make-believers. That is just dumb.

  • May 11, 2003, 1:45 p.m. CST

    How irony hahahahah

    by NickVA

    transcipt from yahoo.com/movies/ Re: I never said it would be bad... by: kedrell (27/M/So Cal) 05/11/03 01:38 pm Msg: 986 of 988 It's sure alot better talking to you instead of vtx3000(a sicko-phantic, matrix can do no wrong, type moron). I definetly am going to see it! And I hope it's great just as I've always said. I say the 1st one 10 times at the theatre! I just have some doubts is all. So crucify me! Hahahhahaha NOW WE HAVE SEEN THE REAL KEDRELL.

  • May 11, 2003, 3:06 p.m. CST

    FYI: A shameless animatrix plug

    by imageburn13

    everyone and their half-sister should bounce on over to theanimatrix.com and see the second renaissance pts. 1 and 2, cuz, well, their FREE and I actually enjoyed them more than that matrix movie. Not to mention the anime is the sickest looking stuff ever created.

  • May 11, 2003, 6:29 p.m. CST

    I saw "Enter the Matrix" computer game at Sam's Club today!

    by Eyegore

    There was a pile of them in a shopping cart. I grabbed one, mad sure it was really the game and took it to the checkout promising myself I wouldn't actually play it until I had seen the movie thursday. And the checkout bitch said I couldn't buy it yet!!!! ARGH!!! I told her half the stockboys in the store would be playing it tonight and it went right over her head. sigh.

  • My girlfriend saw it on cable one night about a year ago and didn't know what it was on. It had Keanu Jonathan Harker, Keanu Speed, Keanu Neo, and Keanu Ted fighting multiple Christopher Walkens. It was sort of like Saddam Hussein's animation on South Park. If anyone has info on where I can get this on tape or what show it might have on, I'd appreciate the info.

  • May 11, 2003, 11:09 p.m. CST

    The Matrix is going the way of Robocop

    by 20th Century Fox

    After reading more of this Talkback I'm convinced that this film series is going to suck. As I have stated before I liked the first film. I did NOT love it. I did NOT think it was gorundbreaking. Rather a good movie that focused on story and character so the action scenes had emotional ballast. I DID think the first film ripped off other films (TERMINATOR) "the war against the macihnes. I DID think the film makers went goth cause goth was hot in 1999. I di think the first film is also EXTREMLY dated. "The year is 1999..." yep thats going to hold up 20 years from now...Sadly goth is no longer hot...The 13 y.o. who snuck into the theatre to see it in 99 have changed. And the 13 y.o. of today will doubtful be able to see it since RELOADED is rated R and theatres are cracking down on underage kids seeing R-rated films. Also there is this other film. Its called X2 which is markedly BETTER (in many ways superior) than the first X-men. Add to that THE TWO TOWERS was markeld better than FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING people expect sequels to be better. Yes there are some gothy fanboys who will love what the WB gives them (even if its boring shit) but I dubt the rest of the film going public will be so forgiving. Particularly when the economy is slow and there are better enterinament options out there like X-2.

  • May 11, 2003, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Don't like #2s eh?

    by MikeDavis

    What about Empire Strikes Back? It was a great #2 ... right up to when lucas got CG happy ... but still, it's a great #2.

  • May 12, 2003, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Ahhh-- I THOUGHT so, ZoneZERO

    by Otaku_Hater

    You're one of those self-professed martial arts wannabe guys who digs ninjas and thinks Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon was the best thing on the planet. You're one of those guys who collects shuriken and reads martial arts magazines and thinks he's mastered the bo staff. Hey, I love Bruce Lee movies. I've got a great love for Chinese and Japanese culture and films... But I don't try to make Bruce Lee films my life. You ARE right, though. You have your hobbies and I have mine. It's unfortunate for you that my hobby happens to be laughing at pathetic anime freaks and people who think wire-fu is cool. This is a moot point, though. Ultimately, I wasn't directly attacking you, specifically until you started challenging me in your (snicker, giggle, haha) "dojo" because I- what? I killed your father and kidnapped your sister? HONOR DEMANDS you must seek me out and show me those badass martial arts skills. You're a funny little boy. I knew a kid like you back in the 70's, except he thought he was master of the nunchaku. ANYWAY, my whole gripe was with the formulaic, contrived bullshit that makes up this newest Matrix. It's obvious it's just a big marketing scam to get you rabid fans to buy Matrix cellphones, t-shirts, bumper stickers, video games, and other worthless crap to advertise the movie. Oh- Hey, don't let me leave you with the impression that I hate martial arts. I studied Tae Kwon Do and Karate myself, until I realized it was useless unless I intended on either competing (in my-dick's-bigger-than-yours competitions) or getting in real fights (which I don't desire, but I win anyway because I fight dirty). There was a little Grand Master of Tae Kwon Do (seriously. His father owned a dojo) in my school who thought he was the coolest guy on the planet. One day he picked a fight with one of the stoners who just used good old street fighting tactics with no training. The lil' Grand Master of TKD jumped up (to his credit he could jump very high) and began a spinning kick. The stoner just stood there and waited a moment, and then PUNCHED THE GUY IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD as he was spinning around. Knocked the little twerp on his face. The stoner then JUMPED on the Grand Master, grabbed a handfull of hair, and smashed his face against the concrete a few times. That was it. Dirty fighting: 1, Martial arts: ZERO. The moral of the story? There is none, but I figured everybody deserved to hear a story for going this far into my post. Have a nice day Otaku. Maybe the Furries and CosPlay people will be along shortly..?

  • May 12, 2003, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Sci Fi for adults? Maybe retarded ones...

    by ZeroCorpse

    Come on! "Sci-fi for adults" is stretching it just a little bit. Matrix is NOT as deep as you think it is, and if you think it is, you really ought to read some more Phillip K. Dick, Richard Matheson, Isaac Asimov, George Orwell, and Frank Herbert... For a start. There's NOTHING in Matrix that wasn't ripped off from one of those fantastic authors, and the only people who wouldn't recognize that are teenagers who can't be bothered to actually read a book without pictures.

  • May 12, 2003, 1:47 a.m. CST

    The Matrix

    by Terrigen Mist

    Bottom line: This movie will not suck.The Wachowski's know that some may not like this as much as the first. Still for all intents and purposes with more bling there will be more bang. I'm keeping an open mind and do look foward to Thursday. My prediction for the opening weekend $120 million.

  • May 12, 2003, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Zion is hidden in monica belluci's p*ssy!

    by mooncake

    gosh i hope RELOADED wont suck. i dont want it to become the PHANTOM MENACE of the MATRIX sequels. the biggest mistake IMO is getting jada pinket smith in the cast. she's the only one that dont fit in. monica belluci isn't much of an actress & has zero skills in martial arts but at least she's got killer good looks. but jada????

  • May 12, 2003, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Trailer Music

    by Pumpkinsboy

    What was that cracking epic hip hop style song on the reloaded trailer?

  • May 12, 2003, 7:40 a.m. CST

    HA HA HA HA HAH

    by Laugher

    Well, I am positively rolling with this news. This, ladies, is what happens when you develop SOMEONE ELSE's original idea. See the Bros didn't think it up. The guy who had the idea probably had something else entirely in mind. Anyhoo. I laugh a lot at this news. What else? Oh yes. Why do fools insist the Empire is the best SW movie? Empire could not exist without ANH. Without it Empire would make no sense, and you would have no affinity for its characters. Therefore, by default ANH is the better movie -- the original and the best. And I don't know about you but when I think of SW I think of red stiped X-wings, and spinning tie fighters, a wookie and a space cowboy, sand, golden robots and a garbage compactor. Forget Empire and the Matrix both, though Empire is about 2 to the power of 50 times superior than that wooden kung fu crap (no doubt all three).

  • May 12, 2003, 2:07 p.m. CST

    For what it's worth: my brief review of Reloaded

    by K0NY

    I saw the film in NY last Thursday night. Didn't bother sending in a review because I thought there'd already be a ridiculous amount of them from the others who attended. || Let me preface my comments by saying that I saw the original on opening night and walked out simultaneously impressed and disappointed. The story was kind of interesting and the action was cool, but it initially left me a bit cold. It was only after repeated watching of the DVD that I began to grow a true appreciation for the film

  • May 12, 2003, 2:24 p.m. CST

    This reviewer is an idiot...

    by BuckRogers77

    I have seen the film, it is frickin amazing. By far the best film of the year in this genre. X2 is good, better than the first, but Matrix Reloaded is awesome. Who let's these people write reviews anyway....

  • May 12, 2003, 3:20 p.m. CST

    what is the everlasting appeal of the Matrix?

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    Awkward computer nerd with boring job becomes unstoppable superhero - possessing all the attributes that average computer nerd with boring job obseeses about - kung fu demon, weapons expert and telekenetic. Not to mention hot chick in black leather. Anyway, good movie, that 1st one. Smarter than a popcorn Michael Bay film, not as unreachable as a Kubrick film. Hey folks, it resonated with a lot of people, substantiated primarily through word of mouth. Give it it's props, they're due. No one will read this.

  • May 12, 2003, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Detective Comics #28 had a big fat asian head on it.

    by KONG33

    Jim Lee's FF reboot issue 2 was better than 1, in the second ish, they actually get down to fighting Mole Man! Also, X-MEN #2 (1990s). Well, anyway... I don't care too too much about Matrix. It's not going to change anyone's life... wait, maybe the defenders of the movie will say otherwise.

  • May 13, 2003, 2:15 a.m. CST

    SPACEHUNTER 3-D, you my friend are dumber than you post.

    by Zone Zero

    Stoner? Hah. The only addictive drug that has been consumed by me is Caffeine. Next, you say the only good Anime is anime for sex-crazed sexual predators like yourself? Nice one there, buddy. I guess I'll have to walk more carefully by the doors of the adult section of the local video store. I don't want to accidentally step into any DNA you leave behind. I don't want to get my shoes messed up with your desperate fanboy jizz. I have hentai lovers like you. No culture, no idea of what's good. Unless you're yet another hater spewing your venom over the boards hoping to flush out those with VALID opinions out of the boards. Guess what, your fake assumed coolness is as fake as Pamela Anderson's headlights. Of course a sex-crazed psychopath like yourself know what I referred to, and has just jizzed all over your keyboard already. I reccomend getting a plastic cover if you have that kind problem. TRY AND CATCH ME, BITCH.

  • March 17, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Kelldra is a dolt

    by thebearovingian

    I said it back in '03 and I'm sayin it again now.

  • April 29, 2008, 12:30 a.m. CST

    I 2nd that

    by thebearovingian

    Truth.