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STAR WARS EPISODE III!! Beloved OT Character Returns! We Manage To Totally Forget To Report It!!
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Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
Thank you to all 9 grazillion of you who e-mailed us the link from the official STAR WARS site which confirms a pretty big spoiler appearance by a classic Original Trilogy character. I sort of wish I didn’t know this, but I do. I’ll give you the choice by givin’ you a bit o’ spoiler space. And, yes, I know it’s been online since Wednesday night. Right now’s the first chance I’ve had to update, but I figured we’d all want a place to Talk Back about this, right? Anyway...
Spoiler Space...
Okay, that’s fine. Peter Mayhew has been signed to play the role of Chewbacca for EPISODE III. I’m not sure I like just how small the galaxy seems to be in these films. Everybody’s met before EPISODE IV even begins, it seems. But how can I complain about the return of my favorite STAR WARS character? And played by the original actor? I can’t. I’ll admit it... I’m thrilled. I want to see Chewie again. The thought of it makes me smile.
And just so we’re clear... I wasn’t being sarcastic. Thanks to everyone who wrote in to mention this. You’re all obviously excited about the announcement, too.
"Moriarty" out.
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I'm sure we will see baby Luke, Leia, and Hans.
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Apr 25, 2003 8:24:50 AM CDT
get in there you hairy oaf, i don't care what you smell
by thegoldencalf
nuff said
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spiderham you suck you beat me to the first. but your right about the twins not about han
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Apr 25, 2003 8:27:37 AM CDT
I hope we see more of Itchy from that delightful Holiday special
by grubstreeter
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This is an artistically unsound decision, as ludicrous as having Little Vader be the creator of C-390 or having the droids meet every goddamn character there is. But hey, why should Lucus stop now when he's on a roll? This trilogy is showing itself more and more to have simply been reverse-engineered from the original, rather than being a creative product in and of itself... that's why it feels so false and stale. Bring it on, George. I'm gonna download it this time.
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Who cares who's first? I think that's the most infantile little "game" I've ever seen at ANY board on the entire Net. Gad that's idiotic. Puerile.
I almost shit my pants with rage when I "learned" that Darth Vader built C-3PO - could it be any dumber - but now Chewbacca is going to be "pre-introduced"? How absolutely lame. I suppose Amidala will find him on the Wookie Homeworld, with his foot caught in a trap, she will rescue him and he will vow to help destroy the Sith in return for her compassionate act (or something else considerably lame).
The prequels just suck shit compared to the original mythic dimensions of the original trilogy. How can Lucas have turned from such a visionary young film maker into such a worthless, trite hack? -
Do the events of Vector Prime still stand or did they resurrect him already?
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how hairy is chewie's asshole?
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Stop complaining about the prequels, you stupid Peter Jackson assmunchers. SW rules the world.
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Apr 25, 2003 8:44:28 AM CDT
I hope that Lucas' fat ass gets a heart attack and doesn't finis
by california split
I can barely even stand to watch Empire Strikes Back in passing.
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Chewie is annoying but loveable. He's like the brother I never had
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did han and chewie have to use the same crapper in the falcon?
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You know it.
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nope, that shit ain't funny no more
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Well, I guess it's good for Mayhew. He's such a tall, lanky guy there's not a lot else for him to do other than the convention circuit....I wonder if we'll see anakin look out the window of his starfighter and catch a glimpse of Suzanne Somers in her white Thunderbird....... And of course the Droids know every character, Threepio and Artoo are the Jay and Silent Bob of the Star Wars Universe. (Actually, I guess it's the other way around). Snootch to tha' Nooch...Beep boop beep....
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Wouldn't that all depend on how young he is?
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Why don't make a CG-Chewie??
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Thanks. The image you created with how hairy post and the crapper post finally dislodged Harry's man titties from my mind's eye. I wonder how much paper Chewie needs per session?
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Don't want to know mate.
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that'll be another mill' in chewy merchandise for the fat throated one....
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I hope that was sarcastic. The TPM Yoda was awful
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I heard that originally lucas wanted the army of ewoks to be wookies. So since these three new films are said to parralel the original three then there will be an army of wookies in ep 3. Also my guess is a prototype death star. Lets wait and see.
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did leia, ben and luke all use the same toilet in the falcon? was it unisex? i can imagine chewie leaving some pretty hefty logs. sure would've led to tension between him and han..............unless of course the falcon ran on crap, like the delorean in back to the future 2
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was the biggest load of shite I ever saw.
Pete Mayhew must be 80 years old by now? surely the man would die of heat exhuastion in that hairy costume, whilst break dancing for luca$ in front of a blue screen???? -
Why does everyone think this is silly?...it's a damn Star Wars movie, and it's so mythic already what with all the symbolic amputations and character arcs, etc, that "retroactive" character appearances should be nothing compared to all that. What I'm curious about is if this will be a "Chewbacca walks past the camera as the screen wipes", or a "Chewbacca helps kick some trooper ass".
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...and he never recalled "owning" a droid? That is one lying ass Jedi.
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you know you want to see chewy again. Aside from Fett, he was one of my favorites. Lets hope lucus treats him with the dignity he deserves.
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You may have just stumbled upon the EMPIRES secret power source. They did use Wookies for slaves didn't they?
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Apr 25, 2003 9:09:06 AM CDT
"Chewbacca here is first-mate on a ship that might suit us."
by andy travis
I kinda like it, actually. Didn't you ever wonder how the hell Ben could understand Wookie? It's a neat little connection...like the whole "He's got too much of his father in him" line from Ep 4. Well, THAT was better, but hey.
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i want a scene in episode 3 where chewie leaves the falcon loo with a newspaper under his arm and roars at han. subtitle will read 'best leave it five minutes before you go in there, mate'
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... that Chewie is really an Ewok with an unfortunate glandular condition. He spends his entire appearance in Episode III singing silly songs in a falsetto voice and bumping into trees.
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Pewbacca, and he has black fur.
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I care. The logic between the trilogies are wearing thin as it is, but when you throw in the novels and the games (supposed same continuum) and the comics (apocryphical, I guess - at least Marvel) it makes one helluva mess which is entertaining itself. C'mon, listen to your inner geek, you knoe I'm right. Peace.
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What kind of a sound would the Falcons loo make. What i mean is would it actually flush or would it do something else. As it's a spaceship wouldn't the sound carry. What if Han and Leia are getting intimate and Chewie's just finished his third bowl of chili.
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han would be pissed off with the amout of hair in the shower if chewie gets in there before him. unless he baths him like a fkn dog. there's just so much about their relationship we don't know...
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I wonder how unkempt Chewie's bush is? Speaking of Bush, does anyone know what our fruadulently elected president is up to today? Probably bombing babies from defenseless countries for the profit of his oil cronies! The Supreme (republican puppet) Court handed him the presidency! And you motherfuckers want to talk about Chewbacca! Sad.
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...by which I mean he takes a look at the old trilogy and extrapolates backward to get painful expository scenes and rehashes of old characters and material, instead of going for compelling storytelling. Why spend so much time on the beaurocratic infighting in the Senate? Just because the Emperor rose from political roots doesn't mean that his rise has to be treated like C-SPAN coverage. Make it more Julius Caesar and less Joe Lieberman. And why is Anakin a spoiled brat of a child? Why is pure evil arising from cosmic teenage angst? Is this an "archetype" anyone's familiar with? The story of Vader's rise should be the story of the fall of Lucifer. All that pompous Campbellian stuff DID serve a purpose - it got Lucus to steal from decent sources that used similar inspirations, instead of recycling his own material.
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True. They were alone together for along time before Luke came on the scene. Do you think Chewie got jealous?
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I guess it's possible that Obi-Wan was talking to Chewbacca at the cantina because they'd met before, but I'd rather that they had Tarkin, Mon Mothma, or any of the other Rebel generals... that would have at least had some story potential instead of "hey, it's chewbacca."
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I'm British. Couldn't give a rats ar#e about Bush. Back to Chewies toilet troubles . . .
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do you think han and leia let chewie in to sleep at the foot of their bed? or does chewie sneak-thief in there during a session, like dustin hoffman in rainman? i always thought han used him as a contraceptive anyway...
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I know I'm risking my cred here, but since nobody answered the question... Chewie hasn't been resurrected yet. Han went off on a whole psychological thing about the death. The books have gotten better lately, but they're starting to get the whole Star Trek "isn't anyone under the age of fifty having any adventures, and shouldn't someone die of old age by now?" syndrome. Oh, and to get on the whole geeky bathroom function subject, I always wondered about the bacta tank. Soemone is submerged in liquid, for days at a time. Do they change the bacta every day, like a fish tank?
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Chewbacca, during a holographic chess match, will become enraged and rip Jar Jar limb from limb. You know you want to see it.
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Now that would be one hell of a threesome. And he's sentient. It wouldn't be ilegal ( in the New Republic. ) . Right?
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You know this world's gone haywire when you have to worry about being a geek at a geek website. Anyway, within the Jedi Temple, important decisions are being made that will ultimately determine the fate of the Republic, by many different species of jedi. Remember all those different chairs they have for different kinds of humanoids? Makes you wonder about the jedi temple crappers - half a building must be dedicated to "throne rooms" that cater for their individual needs.
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Hello.
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It's the toilet attendants i feel sorry for. Do Jedi's leave a tip?
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I hope he's just background stuff. If they say his name or involve him in the plot, I'll vomit.
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Lucas has said that he views the movies as a big opera, with recurring motifs, i.e. all the amputation and father/son journey stuff. You can shit all over that idea if you want, but that's what the guy's doing. Frankly, as far as the political senate stuff, I don't see how you could do WITHOUT all that--it explains Palpatine's rise to power through political manipulation. And it's not exactly tedious, really, it's a few short scenes at best. Anyways, this is Star Wars, and most of us have already made up our minds on whether we love it, like it, tolerate it, or hate it. Nothing's gonna change minds at this point.
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two other reason were the $ I wasted paying to see Ep. I & II
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imagine the height of the cubicle needed for the long neck jedi? chewie would go in there, smash the place up, leave a floater and then throw the loo roll out the window!
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But what about the attendant. Won't somebody please think of the attendants?
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But this would be better if Lucas directed it...oh, never mind. This will fucking rock. I still have my old Chewy figure somewhere in my anus. I just have to fish it out.
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Hey it's not that bad. I mean, we've all done it. Right? " Kinda spongey "
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he must have some sort of powers, or else he couldn't reprimand the jedis when they left a mess or didn't tip. yoda craps in a hole in the ground like the french. the chessboard always came out when i flew my falcon about. nien numb is the single most important character in the star wars universe. and chewie never flushes
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Your mad. The single bestest character in the whole world has to be that guy with the gun.
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Attereuare mutteare...
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nien numb was havin a right laugh, enjoyin a go in the falcon and pissing the death star. until he saw the present that chewie left in the bowl. cantina barman was good too, getting biscuit-arsed on blue alcohol. like fkn buck rogers
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Apr 25, 2003 10:13:25 AM CDT
I read the script and Jar Jar grows hair and turns into a wookie
by jon e cin
Ok maybe not.
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He waits until they land, Han lets him out, and he goes into the bushes.
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...In honor of your post, (and to put the tomboy beanpole to rest), I think from now on everyone should address Harry as "Bitch Tits"................................. And the ep III scene we're gonna' see is a young Chewie sporting a Wookie-Mullet, auditioning for Max Reebo's band............................ And speaking of the TPM Yoda, I never understood how 900-something year old Yoda was supposed to look so much younger just 30-some-odd years prior to "Empire". Guess those War with the Empire years really took their toll. I mean even in Episode I, he was one old-ass Jedi.
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Episode 1 sucked HUGE balls.
Episode 2 Sucked slightly less balls but balls nonetheless.
Episode 3 will lack more emotion in place of more pwetty effects.
FUCK lucas and Fuck star wars...
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because the Starwars Saga kicks me in the balls and eats out my girlfriend.. oh no wait.. I do that
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lando's cape!!! fkn magic. how did leia ever resist?
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Apr 25, 2003 10:23:43 AM CDT
I can't decide whether I'd rather titty fuck the Harry animation
by grand moff bush
Harry should be cast in Ep. III so there can be a scene where Chewie slides his 12" furry dong between Harry's oiled-up breasts. GEEKGASMMMM!!!!!
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Two days ago C. Split was defending himself against B. Hamilton by saying he never starts the political shit in the TBacks...oh okay retard. Now he's on a SW talkback bitching that we fanboys are more interested in talking movies than politics. Well fuck you, you Fett wannabe.
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I always felt that in the Cantina scene from ANH, Kenobi had some familiarity with Chewbacca and it may be why he went with the Falcon for transport. As far as the "Why doesn't Chewie recognize the droids?" argument--3P0 and R2 units are fairly common and generic. Now they should get Carrie Fisher to sing while the credits roll at the end.
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imagine the size of the hulk's atomic logs? huge, green, glowing and stinking! he should leave one on the whitehouse lawn
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Apr 25, 2003 10:29:57 AM CDT
The Star Wars Haters are worming their way out of the Woodwork.
by lobanhaki
Frankly, I'd be interested to see how he does this. Need I remind anybody, Chewie was 200 years old in the original.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, Let me answer those idiots who keep asking why Obi Wan didn't recognize the droids. Because they are mass produced servants, of which our two hero droids are but a couple examples. Obi-Wan's contact with them is limited. In the first, he never encounters C-3PO. in the second, he may have encountered the droid when Anakin brings it back with him, but that's about it, and in terms of the literal movie, they never meet. As for R2, he might remember it simply as a personal retainer for Padme who got in her entourage by saving the ship once. He might have encountered it while Padme was packing up, and definitely encountered it in her apartment, but he never gives it a second glance, or says hello, R2. And since these droids are pretty common articles, he's not going to look at them that closely, since they are the space age equivalent of servants. That's why Obi-Wan can honestly say, "I don't remember owning any droids" they were never his to begin with. -
so...anyone know what crazy George was thinking by releasing that AOTC trailer made up entirely of Episode III footage? Christopher Walken, Julien Sands, Bobby from NYPD Blue...
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The Wachowski bros should remake the original trilogy. Everybody knows this already.
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As much as I dug seeing the Wookie Ambassadors in TPM, and as much as I'd like to see Chewie again, this is as stupid as making C3PO "Ani's" toy. Base pandering to the audience at it's worst. There's no precedent for Chewbacca to be involved in Anakin's transformation, and his presence would have no bearing on the story. It will just be another awkward and pointless cameo shoehorned in to appease longtime fans. Much like turning a semi-anonymous Bounty Hunter with one line in Empire into the basis for a clone army. Where's Grando when we need him? I need him to fire up that black lightasaber and hold it over my bong so I can smoke away all memories of this once great franchise.
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JUST KIDDING! I love Chewwie really.
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I hate i when people say "Peter Jackson or the Wachowski should remake or direct Star Wars". Star Wars is George Lucas's Vision. If you don't like it,don't watchit. But stop fucking complaining
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I hate i when people say "Peter Jackson or the Wachowski should remake or direct Star Wars". Star Wars is George Lucas's Vision. If you don't like it,don't watchit. But stop fucking complaining
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I hate i when people say "Peter Jackson or the Wachowski should remake or direct Star Wars". Star Wars is George Lucas's Vision. If you don't like it,don't watchit. But stop fucking complaining
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I hate i when people say "Peter Jackson or the Wachowski should remake or direct Star Wars". Star Wars is George Lucas's Vision. If you don't like it,don't watchit. But stop fucking complaining
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do you think han got his own back on chewie's toilet fun by sticking velcro all over the falcon's co-pilot seat? they should have their own spin-off show
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Apr 25, 2003 10:57:30 AM CDT
So, Chewbacca and Wicket were out taking a dump in the woods, se
by trav mcgee
...And Chewbacca asked the Ewok, "Hey, does shit ever stick to your fur?" Wicket puts his newspaper down for a second and thinks. "Nope, can't say I've ever had that problem." So Chewie wipes his ass with the Ewok. >rimshot< ...Thank you ladies and germs you've been a perfectly horrible audience. [shuffles off stage left]
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Just to clarify to the first dude that posted on here... Its Han (the coolest movie character ever) not Hans! He is not a German porn star! Although, it would have been cool to see him in a threeway with Leia and Greedo...
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It makes sense that Chewie would be in the movie because Obi-Wan obviously knows who to talk to and where to find him in A New Hope. And Besides, you can't have a Star Wars movie without Chewie...oh wait you can but both sucked *tongue firmly in cheek as I said the previous statement* (except Episode II that one was cool. Especialy on IMAX. And the Pod Race was way awesome) Okay, enough Star Wars rambling from me. WOOKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The first 3 star wars movies were a mistake!!! episode 1 proved lucas doesnt know how to tell a story...and doesnt know how to cast good actors., and only creates characters for marketing. How else can you explain jar jar binks?
God I still gag at the scene when anakins mom is explaining how she just "became pregnant"
stupid bitch!
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Star Wars would make a great opera for sure, but with the success of the Lion King on stage, I'm thinking Musical.
Example:
(Sung to jaunty tune)
Darth: So I cut off your hand,
but if you think that's bad,
here's some news:
I'm your dad!
Luke: No. No. It isn't true.
Don't you know,
I'll never be like you.
I'll say it again
until I get hoarse
I'll never join
the dark side of the force.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
Oh yeah... Chewbacca is the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet... bomb in his ribcage..
has a beer... yada yada
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Why don't your shut your fucking neo-con mouth for once in your life. I didn't start this battle, Shrubya did by spilling baby arab blood for oil. Why don't you take your Limbaugh lovin ass to Yahoo. Bitch.
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...Chewbacca is obviously male (although he might be a little gay). Everyone knows female Wookies wear big pink bows in their hair.
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Hey Californa Split, you are such an asshat if you believe that about the greatest President in the history of the USA! By the way, even if it does take a little baby arab blood so that I can get better gas prices in my SUV.. I'm all for it!! May your children look like Jar Jar Binks..
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Apr 25, 2003 11:11:08 AM CDT
Hooper X as Grando Calrissian. Lil' Bow Wow as young Lando
by davidcamp
Now that would be a shock casting decision.
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did you know the Bush administration's top secret project is a combustion that runs on baby arab blood? Y'know, just in case they run out of oil. (No offense to any intelligent people out there, just tired of these stupid posts).
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Warts and all - I love star wars
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Chewie is still the sexiest tomboy beanpole in the galaxy.
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make that "combustion engine"....(I'm such a retard).
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Neither of you could have more appropriate names. You bust a nut for our runner-up president, and zerocool is self explanatory! By the by, I wouldn't be surprised if Shrubby Dubby did have an SUV that runs on Arab baby blood. I honestly wouldn't put it past him. Only if burning Arab blood pollutes air. You neo-con fucks dont do anything that doesn't pollute the environment. But thats not important, get back to your precious star wars talk. Its so much more fun talking about fantasy space wars than the illegal wars the guy Al Gore beat wages.
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And I loved seeing the storm troopers! All working for the good guys
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in episode IV when we first see chewbacca, it seems as if obi-wan is already familiar with him. That always confused me as a kid. Hopefully Lucas won't do something stupid like making chewie and important part of episode III. I can just imagine Lucas making Chewie one of Luke's protectors on Tatooine.
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geaorge w is the best villain around. the way he snaked the elections, the emperor would be proud. can watch the phantom menarse with a little irony thinking of dubya's rise to power. who said star wars wasn't relevent?
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hell, it gets really good gas mileage, too. i'm never going back to gasoline again.
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I read a rumor somewhere, I think it was theforce.net, that Lando or Lando's father is a character in Ep 3. Maybe this is the relation chewie has to the story? If you remember from Empire Strikes Back, Lando said the Falcon ship used to be his. Maybe it was his fathers before and chewie was still the first mate? I just hope they don't make a younger version of him... I like the big hairy bitch the way he is. :)
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What can I say that hasn't already been said by those of you with even half a brain. I loved the original series of films. Hell, I'll even forgive the bad parts of Return of the Jedi... but one thing after another has plauged these so called masterpieces that are the Star Wars prequels. Jar Jar, the fucking incestual relationship of every single character from the original series, why must C-3PO and Vader be linked? Boba Fett's father was the basis for all stormtroopers..uuug. Now we get fucking Chewbacca???...and Grando fucking Calrissian??
Jesus...Age.... Christ... that is so fucking retarded. God forbid Lucas finish the prequels without showing the fucking Millenium Falcon, and Chewie.
Hey George, don't forget to put in Luke's fucking Tauntaun from Hoth! And Greedo! And Bossk! And IG-88! Don't forget to put Han and Lando in there as kids. Maybe they can be the ones inspire Admiral fucking Ackbar to join the rebellion! HOLY FUCKING CHRIST IS THIS SERIES OF MOVIES GOING DOWN THE SHITTER. AND I MAKE THAT COMMENT AS A DEVOTED STAR WARS FAN!!! I FEEL FUCKING BETRAYED BY THE HALF ASSED EFFORT PUT INTO THESE MOVIES! I WAITED 10 YEARS FOR THIS SHIT!?!?! FUUUUUUUUUCK YOU GEORGE LUCAAAAAAAASSSSSS!!!! -
I'm over here hysterically laughing, dabbing my eyes with a tissue, and freaking out yet another innocent bystander. ahhh. "Laugh it up fuzzball!" Indeed I shall. Indeed, I shall.
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Out Americans soldiers will be bathed in blood. The butchery of Saddam is nothing compared to the billions of Iraqi babies targeted by our bombers. We bombed like cowards from above refusing to fight on the ground because our soldiers are frightened little dogs of evil Bush.
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Apr 25, 2003 11:45:21 AM CDT
great news..the stormtrooper who hit his head in the death star
by audio vandal
this time he will hit his head on a cgi overhead locker in the armour fitting department of the stormtrooper training facility after perfecting the art of firing lots of laser bolts and hitting absolutely nothing. The same actor will play him and he is reported to be overjoyed at the new opportunity, but he is not looking forward to the prospect of a second smashed skullbone 25 years on. Apparantly he will then go out and have a game of cards with young han and lando, totally cgi of course. I also heard that Luke will come out of the shower at the end of EP3 and we will realise the entire last three movies have all been a dream. Cant wait .
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I think that it is lame that there will be no Grand Moff Tarkin role in any of the prequels! I mean he had a major role in a new hope! It would have been so easy and crowd pleasing for Palpatine to have a "military advisor" and he could have been like a Colonel Tarkin or something. (Played by Ben Cross or Tim Roth) I think that sucks not to have him! Im not asking for anything huge just a small bone for those who hold the original close to their hearts............
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Anakin Skywalker is really a personification of Lucas himself. He started out a good film maker and then turned to the dark side. We should all be calling him Darth Lucas! On his death bed he will confess what a screw job Ep I II and III were and then become a ghost so he can haunt Speilberg and tell him the force is with him.
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How many kids did your brother and sister get to shoot in Iraq? Do they keep the ears as souvenirs? Do they have contests like Legolas and Gimley? "I got 17!" But your siblings are innocent. They are just taking orders from Tyrant of Texas. Just like the Nazi's were innocent of gassing the Jews. They were just taking orders too, right? Sorry.. a butcher is a butcher is a butcher, and I hope your brother and sister spend some time in Hell. An eternity, sucker.
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Apr 25, 2003 12:05:40 PM CDT
"I wanted to go to Toschi Station to pick up some power converte
by supergirl
I've got to say one thing. At least we know what side of the family Luke Skywalker inherited that penchance for whining from.
"It's all Obi-Wan's fault! He's jealous. He's holding me back!
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Apr 25, 2003 12:34:12 PM CDT
Makes sense, since Chewbacca was supposed to have been 200 years
by spider15
Wookies, like Vulcans, are supposed to have very long life-spans. Frankly, given that, I was suprised that we haven't seen Chewy in the new trilogy up until this point. ALSO I PREDICT... in Episode III, at some point there'll be two Huck-and-Tom-type kids, 10 years old or so, one white and one black, who'll turn out to be young Han Solo and Lando Calrissian (sp?)
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Apr 25, 2003 12:44:32 PM CDT
Wow, you mean he's actually going to play in the suit? I'm shock
by theginger twit
But apart from all that, this is pretty cool you bunch of winging bitches.
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1) refuse to live in godforsaken suburban subdivisions with no sidewalks and not even a convenience store within easy walking distance.
2) take your Hummer to the car crusher and force your coworkers to take your sorry ass to work (it's called the magic of carpooling). Or try public transportation, biking or walking. 3) invest in a shopping cart and get your groceries like old ladies in the city do. Thus denying oil sheiks the discretionary income they hand out to terrorists. Chewbacca and Wicket would want you to follow these steps. I mean, Chewbacca *would* ride his 10-speed between star systems if the fur on his legs didn't get caught in the chains. And of course Wicket rides his Bigwheels (TM) through the forests of Endor, instead of using one of those gas-hogging Storm Trooper flying bikes. -
Dear George... Episode I was a MAJOR letdown. Episode II was a less-but-still-MAJOR letdown. Please don't blow it with Episode III. I'm psyched to see Chewie back in action, but I agree that it does make the Star Wars universe seem even more incestuous than it already does (i.e. Anakin building C3PO!). Please don't insert Classic Trilogy characters simply to gain the goodwill of disenfranchised fans, and try to distract us from another creaky storyline. This is the movie we fans have been waiting for. Don't shoot a single frame of digital film till your script is an absolute knockout, and your actors have rehearsed... and rehearsed... and rehearsed. Competent digital effects are a dime a dozen these days. What we really want is a ripping good yarn. Can you do it?
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Apr 25, 2003 1:17:48 PM CDT
If George Lucas can't do it right in 2 tries he won't nail Episo
by tarl_cabot
Episode 1 was crap. A poorly concieved film with even more poorly concieved characters(Anakin is a 9 year old!). That movie sucked so bad it was embarrassing for all of us Fans to have invested so much anticipation for such a banal toy commercial of a movie. Episode 2 should have been the "Empire" of this trilogy. Again Anakin is painful to watch let alone root for-the lamest human character in the series bar none. So, there's no Jar Jar or Jake Lloyd? It still sucks but not quite as bad as episode 1. So now Episode 3 is upon us and I have no reason to have any optimism. Why should I? The first 2 films of a trilogy suck!!! This prequel trilogy is an artistic train wreck but it made george some more money so it must be a success in his mind. sigh.
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Don't you think that toilet technology would have advanced to the point where a Wookie can take a dump on a freighter ship in a loo comfortable both to him and a human, without destroying the whole joint? And technology was even more advanced in the Old Republic, they probably had crappers suitable for the many different life forms, they may have even been self cleaning, like some super high tech version of the pay toilets in Paris (those are pretty freaky). Now, I'm not some toilet visionary or nothin', I don't know what they're like, hell, I don't even know what sort of asses they would be designed to fit, but some clever engineers would certainly see the problem, and try to invent a solution.
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OK, now to out-geek my earlier post... In the "continuity" I believe Chewie has a wife and little hairy kids running around back on the homeworld. He had to leave them and go hang out with Han to pay his life debt thing. In the books, they show the wife, and one of the main characters is his nephew. And, not to start more trouble, but isn't the character of Chewie just making up for Lucas' not being able to write a decent black character? I mean, he's the sidekick, he speaks a "strange language" that only his hip buddy understands, he's an "indentured servant"... Great, now I'm the militant black guy from Chasing Amy. I'm gonna go jump off a tall building now...
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Anakin created C3PO, Anakin and his little hottie pump out Luke and Leia, Jango created Boba (clone of himself) and all the Stromtroopers, Owen is Anakin's half brother, R2D2 was already in the picture long before Star Wars alongside Anakin and Kenobi (think about it, in episode 4 during the Death Star run, Vader is chasing his own son, along with the exact droid he already flew with in Episode One), Jar Jar inadvertenly creates the Empire.... we have seen a younger Jabba, Boba Fett as a kid,... and now we get Chewbacca and Lando's father, maybe even Lando himself, and most likely the Millenium Falcon... could this get any more pathetic? This is just plain shit. Ben sought out a crew to take them to Alderan, he didn't fucking know Chewie would be at Mos Eisley. They weren't on knowledgable terms, go watch the fucking movies again! Stop making excuses for Lucas' bullshit logic, it doesn't make any sense. It's simply lazy writing, end of story. If I see a young Han Solo in the 3rd flick, I will simply stand up, yell "this whole franchise blows", and leave the theater never to watch a Star Wars movie again. What hapened to the series I knew and loved? Why did Lucas turn to the Dark Side and take a huge dump on it? Whyyyy?
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Apr 25, 2003 1:44:30 PM CDT
Lucas should give up on Star Wars and just make the Howard the D
by countvongroovy
I caught a friend of mine with a joke like that on April Fools' Day: Peter Jackson would be directing Episode III and Lucas would direct the long-awaited Howard the Duck 2. Damn funny. Anyway, this is one more step in the continued insult to Star Wars fans that is the prequels. Lucas needs to stop rehashing original trilogy characters and get some fresh ideas. Of course, the fundamental premise behind the prequels assumes the superiority of the originals anyway, so none of this desperate grasping for straws is surprising at all. "Around the survivors a perimeter create". Right on, brother...
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Apr 25, 2003 1:48:30 PM CDT
I Hate You-LOL we should all bring tomatoes and cabage to the th
by tarl_cabot
We should all pelt the screen in protest! Episode 1 was awful for many reasons(I wrote a post "25 reasons why TPM sucked" once and got lots of shit for it) but I agree the one thing that annoyed me was Anakin's creation of C3P0-how unbelievably cheesy that was. And he was a slave and we're supposed to fell sorry for his plight and yet he has better toys than any kid in the history of earth too!
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Apr 25, 2003 1:54:59 PM CDT
Obi Wan walked right up to Chewie and knew his name, you dumb fu
by sea bass
What's the problem?
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Oh, you must mean "BIZARRO" Star Wars. The Prequels set in the "BIZARRO" Star Wars Universe, with the young "BIZARRO" Darth Vader.
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...I feel kinda' fulfilled and important now. I've been insulted on the AICN talkbacks. Granted, it was by a dipshit whose sole purpose for being here is to insult people and start flame wars on these boards, but hey, it still makes me feel special................... Oh, and Bitch Tits!!!
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It did seem like Ben and Chewie knew each other before in ANH. It would be kind of cool if Chewie had a hand in smuggling Luke out of the emerging Empire and to Uncle Owen on Tatooine. So all of them meeting on Tatooine in Episode 4 would make some sort of sense, like Chewie and Ben had been planning the meeting for some time, or at least knew where to meet each other.
Or Maybe Baby Han Baby Lando and Baby Chewie all live in a nursery with Nanny who has big green and white socks and they use their imaginations to power their adventures.
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You know, i love star wars and i love a good political debate, but not in the same place. TV and movies are supposed to be an escape, for me anyway, from reality. It aggrivates me that I cant watch the oscars or read a movie review without hearing about the president or war or especially someones hateful remarks about both. I respect both sides of this arguement but this isnt the place for it. Like the blue box i see right next to this one clearly states, "personal attacks, off topic BS, cross posting, blatant advertising,and hate speech are all fodder for deletion." So let us shut our collective holes on the subject of Iraq the debate about Star wars is lively enough for me. BTW I think putting Chewbacca in this movie is a mistake but Id watch if they put a vampire monkey with a cape and british accent in it, I love Star Wars.
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i am looking forward to the scene where a teenage han solo tapes chewbacca's butt cheeks together in the locker room after gym class. i'll bet a lot of hair and some skin come off.
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just kidding.
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I'm more excited about the Dumb and Dumber prequel. Lucas should be ashamed, but he's too busy rolling around in your money and saying, "Well, the fans loved the podracing and Yoda fight." Like the other, sleep and or nausea inducing 85% of films never happened.
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I really doubt that anyone will wade through the talkback to read this post, yet for posterity I wish to throw out a piece of information I recall from years ago: Around the time that Zahn's Heir to the Empire Trilogy came out, Star Wars novels started to be cranked out almost by the day. I remember a friend of mine telling me that he read on some Star Wars Fan site that Lucas had placed a moratorium on the topics of Anakin/Darth Vader and Wookies. It was speculated that Wookies would be a force resistant race and that perhaps this ability would place a role in the Clone Wars. And yes, I do know that these novels took us to the Wookie homeworld. I assume that was before Lucas decided which topics were to be avoided by comissioned writers.
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Sadaka, desperate to make freinds when she moves to a new town, joins a Rock group. But when they sell out right before there first concert, Sadaka decides to kill 'em all, including her best freind, tanya (played by Sean "I didnt mean to badger my way into your hole, miss sadako" astin. In a dress. As a 16 year old gir- its beside the point). To try and get her to stop killing folks, her dead parents send her to see phyciatrist/Navy seal/Community warden/Ex mr universe Tiger Morroco (played by accademy award winner HULK HOGAN) to sort her out. From then on the film turns into a 4 hour assault of under age shenaigans and incest, before John carpenter comes in to seek revenge for the death af His daughter. So sadaka kills them all
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Then why would Chewie let Han screw him on the price for a passage to Alderaan? 10,000 my ass, he would have said, Obi-wan is my boy and we hook the brother up.
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I forgot, since 9/11 we are supposed to pretend that cops are our best friend heroes and protectors, right? A few pigs die in a terror attack and all of a sudden they shit coined gold. How man Diallos are there out there now that wont have 41 bullet holes? How many Rodney Kings are there now that wont be beaten to near death because the saintly police officers tragically perished. How many black men in mercedes will now be able to drive to work without being harrassed and profiled. I cry crocodile tears for them. Save your guilt trip for someone else.
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Apr 25, 2003 2:28:04 PM CDT
Maybe we'll see the "Finger of doom" again but with a younger fi
by tarl_cabot
Let's hope. There's so many loose ends and plot holes to fill in SWE3 why not add a bunch of unneccessary cameos to distract us? May 15, 2003 is all that matters now.Nevermind George and his shitty Star Wars prequels. And to that poster who thinks us "haters" own the dvds despite saying these films suck: No I don't own any DVDs or tapes of these prequels so far and I will not waste my money on them ever. I haven't of course seen SWE3 so I might buy SWE3 on DVD if it's good but I don't expect that to be the case.
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As lucas showed us in Episode II, A FETT can always be cloned.
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Apr 25, 2003 2:35:09 PM CDT
The hairiest hero of seventies cinema is back - and this one's n
by salem hanna
Lame joke I know, but I just had to say it.
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Apr 25, 2003 2:35:33 PM CDT
Chewie was based on George Lucas's (boyhood?) dog. He has admitt
by the g-man
So he's probably his favorite character. No wonder we're seeing him again.
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Apr 25, 2003 2:40:33 PM CDT
BTW, California Split, the world would have been better place if
by the g-man
The man is an unrepentent wife beater, serial drunk driver and all around criminal. He just drove his car into someone's house while driving over 100 mph in an SUV. How long until he kills somebody?
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hyphens are too big.
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It was his first film in over 20 years as a director, he was probably a little out of practice in his craft. Not to mention all the mania surrounding the special editions probably left him complacently thinking he could do no wrong. He's learned his lesson; AOTC had equally bad dialogue/acting, but at least he's got the action in the series back on top form. And let's face it, even the original trilogy wasn't art; it's entertainment elevated to art by 25+years of nostalgia.
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Apr 25, 2003 2:53:09 PM CDT
"How many Rodney Kings are there now that wont be beaten to near
by tarl_cabot
I normally hate cops too but I don't care what ethnicity Rodney King is- he deserved to get his arse whupped;he was speeding,evading cops and running red lights. He assaulted the cops who pulled him over(that portion of the video footage has rarely been seen by the public; we only see him as the victim and not the aggressor-he did attack the officers first, I saw the footage in it's entirety). He asked for it. I only wish the incident happended in San Diego where the cops would have surely just shot him dead and the conservative S.D. community would have not given a shit. His recent crash into a home at 100MPH in a brand new 2003 SUV (paid for by his court settlement)should be convincing enough to his sympathisers that this man is a bum, a criminal and a waste of skin, black, white or otherwise. Watch the world's most dangerous high speed chases and you'll see what damage these people do property and innocent bystanders and other motorists.
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Apr 25, 2003 2:53:42 PM CDT
Blinks in confusion - okay, time to turn on the geek powers
by aliceinwonderlnd
I'm sorry, but I don't see where this "Obi-Wan clearly knows Chewbacca" comes from. There's no reason to assume that's true. The way I seem to remember it going down in the movie is that Ben and Luke go into the cantina, Ben saying he's going to find a good pilot, and then we see him through Luke's perspective, as Ben talks to one of the star pilots who points him towards Chewbacca. Then we see him talking to Chewbacca. We don't hear any of their dialog, what with the noise of the place and the music playing. Then the ugly guy picks the fight with Luke. That's how I remember it. Admittedly there's nothing to say that they *don't* know one another, but since Ben had to ask the other guy and be pointed in Chewie's direction, and since he presumably would have recognised Chewie when he walked in if he *had* known Chewbacca before, especially with his Jedi skillz and all, it seems to suggest that they were strangers. Certainly nothing in their subsequent interactions suggests any kind of prior acquaintance. And this was good, because that's what happens in a quest movie like SW is - you meet new people and do cool stuff. And this is kind of a problem in the prequel universe - it's so damn small, you just meet people you already know and do the same things over again. There's like about ten people in it interacting with each other and nobody else over the course of 25 years. Which would be great and a fascinating psychological study if SW was actually about a remote cut off village in the Andes, but seeing as it's meant to be set in a sprawling galaxy, it undoes the sense of verismultitude. I think it's a bad idea. We'll always have Chewie - why do we need to see him here? All the fans already know who is and the new kids won't get him anyway. Aww, Chewie. I love Chewbacca. His family suck goats, however.
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Apr 25, 2003 3:05:00 PM CDT
Is there ANYONE else out there who doesn't like Ep I but does li
by the hillbrothers
It seems like people either love both prequels and defend them equally, or despise them both. Does anyone else out there realize how much better Ep II actually is than Ep I? I am not an Ep I apologist. I am a huge SW fan who thinks TPM was truly a poorly made film, and a very annoying one at that. But look, you have to realize that despite the misplaced, god-awful, and totally unnecessary "comic relief" from C-3P0, AOTC is a very good SW movie. At this point I will have to write a long essay (not today, but forthcoming, I'll let interested folks know) detailing point by point why criticisms of the film's plot, structure, and performances (except C-3P0) are all undue. The jist of it is that all the things people don't like about AOTC, they are supposed to be that way. There is a reason for why everything is done the way it is. It's a very coherent, compelling chapter, better than ROTJ, and in some ways (I'll get flayed for this one so realize it's a qualified statement that I can't fully explain here) better than Ep IV. Most of the events and almost all the dialogue in Ep II serve a deeper purpose. Ep I seems to have a wealth of wasted, extraneous material. Not so Ep II. It's alot more streamlined than you think, if you don't like it. Most of the remaining criticism of Ep II falls on the performances of Portman & Christensen. I'm happy to defend them, line by line if I have to (and that's a whale of a task in some of your eyes). As for Chewbacca in Ep III, no one knows how he'll fit in yet. Hopefully he'll serve a minor purpose in a minor role which won't be too distracting. I didn't mind Boba Fett in Ep II, but that's because he was there to serve a purpose (which if I'm right about will play out beautifully in Ep III). So yeah, bring it on. Oh, one more thing. Jonathan Hales may deserve alot of the credit for Ep II being so much better. I hope he works on the Ep III script too.
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Honest question
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Cali Split, 2 comments. Grow up!!! And learn to read topics!!!
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Thanks, George, for creating your own version of "Muppet Babies." Remember that show? The only reason why it was accepted is because 1) it is Muppets 2) it was just for kids 3) logic doesn't matter in a world of Gonzo, Fozzie, and Kermit. Logically, it would be absurd coincidence that all of the Muppets just *happened* to grow up in the very same nursery, and later "met up" on a Muppet Show. But that's what you're doing with the Star Wars trilogy, George. Reducing the trillions of people in the SW galaxy to the size of a Kentucky mining town. How many planets, George? Tens of thousands? Trillions of people? Millions of cities, regions, governments? On the SW EU alone, there are about 50 major planets and places. Again, trillions, billions, millions.......yet the same 10-15 people just keep running into each other over and over again. I live in a town of about 300,000 people.....and only recently have I run into people I went to high school with, and these "meetings" are few and far between. Yet, in your world of TRILLIONS, the same handful of people keep running into each other. George, guess what, remember the "Dukes of Hazzard"??? Bo, Luke, Uncle Jesse, Daisy, Roscoe, Hogg, Cletis, Ben Jones, etc? Boss Hogg and Uncle Jesse were not strangers to each other - they knew each other since youth, when they ran moonshine together. It seemed like so many of the characters were interconnected....but guess what...HAZZARD HAD ABOUT 500 PEOPLE IN IT! Of course, your neighbor was your kindergarten chum, your doctor was your teammate in little league...it is a SMALL PLACE. Now, this Chewbacca thing....can you please let me know what is wrong with just letting Chewbacca be in the Cantina, without backstory? Geeks are now going back to ANH to analyze Obi-Wan's search for a pilot......NONSENSE. There was no "familiarity" with Chewbacca, nor with Han Solo. I never heard Obi-Wan say "We need to find a Wookiee named Chewbacca, who I met 25 years ago before I fought Darth Vader." Lucas is reverse-engineering the prequels from the original trilogy. Look at Boba Fett. Why wasn't Dengar made the source of the Clones? Why not Bossk? I'm sure it was just coincidence that Lucas chose the fanboy favorite Fett to build Episode II around....what a coincidence. More proof that Lucas hasn't had the "first three" films in his head...he just made them up as he went along, creaking his way to Episode III. There's no reason to see Chewbacca in Ep. III....now Tarkin, that would not be a "small world" coincidence, because we already KNOW Tarkin's rise did not come overnight. It is readily believable that he was right there at the blossoming of the Empire, working his way up. Same for Mon Mothma, or Admiral Ackbar even. I don't want to see the Millenium Falcon.....for the same reason that I won't be buying a used car that I happened to own 20 years before....it just doesn't happen that way. There are (AGAIN) arguably millions of ships in the SW galaxy.....what are the odds that the Falcon goes from Anakin to Luke to Han? Googles...(hundred zeros), that's the odds. Thanks, Notch out.
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Apr 25, 2003 3:18:57 PM CDT
Why so pissed? Empire is the only one different of any flicks
by darth reptilicus
Some of you Star Wars geeks (and I can say that because I am one. It's like how black guys can call each other the "n" word but no one else can.) need to evaluate these movies on their story not what you remember as a kid. Empire Strikes Back seems to be the movie everyone holds to the "Star Wars standard". For fuck sake it was written by Leigh Brackett(I think that is the spelling) who wrote the classic "The Big Sleep" and Lawrence Kasadan. And it was directed by Irvin Kirshner (again probably spelled wrong) who said he was trying to give the Star Wars franchise more of a "fantasy feel" instead of a Flash Gordon serial. Well, Lucas wanted the movies to be more Flash Gordony and they are. TPM is New Hope without Chewy, Han and a cool X-Wing dog fight. Jedi is basically the same movie as TPM. Only difference is we are invested in the characters because they are interesting in Jedi. So all I'm saying to all of you bastiches is yes the original trilogy is better and yes adding Chewy probably will suck, but hey this shit is pretty far from art.
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1. Speak your mind. Have your opinions, just don't wish anyone's family to Hell.............................
2. Defend your freedom. If someone attacks your country, support your government in kicking their ass..............................3. Buy the biggest fattest SUV you can get, and convert that sucker to run on Baby Arab Blood (just like a landspeeder).............................Cali-Split: You're a dick.............................
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Apr 25, 2003 3:38:39 PM CDT
But, what about Chewbacca's family? His wife Malla, his father I
by uncapie
Will Art Carney be back and what about an appearance by a nude Bea Arthur to spice things up?
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Obi-Wan seemed almost to know Chewie in Episode IV. I have no problems with this. I thought Vader building 3PO was lame, but I think this is gonna be cool. Especiall if there's an army of wookiees involved in a battle of some sort.
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Apr 25, 2003 3:47:02 PM CDT
The prequels have dimminished the Star Wars saga as a whole-The
by tarl_cabot
They could have been so much better...so much more worthy. but Episode 1 was written for kids barely potty trained. Episode 2 had nice vistas and some good action but a boring story and a cheesy, unconvincing romance with horrendous dialogue...Episode 3 has no chance of being tragic since "our hero" is such an asshole even as a "good guy" anyway why should we care if he turns into Vader? where's the tragedy and drama? The Matrix saga is really the new star wars-It has 3 main heroes we care about-The Matrix is like the Empire; Agent Smith is like Darth Vader; the struggle for freedom and conquering evil is, like Star wars, the heart of the Matrix. It's the only movie I've seen in my adult life that compares to the classic trilogy(LOTR is based on existing work therefore not in the same category as Star Wars/matrix-original cinema).
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I forgot about the phantom beginning of the tape. The one that played all over the news, right? The one that the jury saw and said "kiss my ass Rodney". If it existed, why did King get the settlement? Fucking racist asshole. And Anakin2B, if you have nothing to add, piss off twat. FTF what fantasy world to do you live in. Hypothetically, if some "black" in a stolen mercedes did anything to me, and there was a cop standing by, he'd wait until I was dead then come over to ask for a statement. Cops do shit. When your life consists of eating powdered crullers and giving speeding tickets to people who are already late for work, I think the risk of dying on the job is not only necessary, but welcomed. Fuck cops up their stupid asses.
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My vote is Bitch Tits..but they both have a certain ring... And what I heard was that after the third episode is out Lucas is going back and reshooting the first trilogy a third time to address the new plot issues. The ewoks will have a song and dance number in that one.
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Keep letting that chip on your shoulder hump your neck and it'll screw your mind, oh wait, is thats whats wrong with you?
Why don't you quit living in your fantasy world where our government isn't supposed to help people who are beaten, shot and starved for no other reason than their government is run by an asshole like you. So why don't you get that chip off your shoulder and grow up before you become a real asshole and you end up single for the rest of your life (which that has probably happened as well). -
What is the big deal with Chewbacca?..Not that i don't like him..But hes not that good of a character.Don't get mad at me for saying this.I just don't see why people are bloody tripping over him.
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Apr 25, 2003 4:13:27 PM CDT
ok i like chewie but WHY THE HELL let him come back..or should i
by drjones
and chewie without han. well for me those guys just belong together. maybe chewie will appear in the grande -wasn`t it a volcano in that grando version?- finale as the one who finally get`s jar jar binks who now works for the dark side as DARTH BINKS and excises binks` tongue and then KILLS BINKS. *sigh*
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And all this time, I, oh, nevermind :) Oh yeah, yay Chewy! ** Hey Goy, that "200,000 Iraqi civilians slaughtered" figure you quote is utter bullshit. Hey, please give binLaden the finger for me the next time you're washing his underwear.
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It does exist dude. Why it was not played regularly I would love to know-actually I do know. The media wanted to make a controversial event out of it to attract more coverage and get more commercial add money. I'm not making that shit up. I saw a portion of the tape where Rodney King rushes (attempts to tackle)the cops. He gets his ass beat for assaulting the cops repeatedly resisting arrest. His 3 black friends in the car were not beaten because they cooperated. Rodney king was an idiot, a sociopath and a criminal. As I mentioned before, I don't care what race idiots, sociopaths and criminals are-I have limited sympathy for them especially when the try to out run cops at 100MPH and run red lights.I don't like cops but in this case I think they did the right thing to beat his ass into submission-the alternative would have been to open fire and kill him; he was lucky.In San Diego the cops shoot people dead all the time and often it's people who pose no real threat;there have been people without a knife or hand gun that have been killed by the SDPD and the cops were not even fired or suspended(no lawsuits either!). Rodney King was an idiot.If he was white trash the media wouldn't have made a big deal about the incident; they created a highly combustable environment unjustly. I'm not a racist for saying Rodney king is a scumbag but I'll admit I have a prejudice-against stupid people!.If I can't critique individuals for the "content of their character" and behavior without being called a racist than so be it. At least I'm not a PC ass kisser.I hate cops as much as anyone but read the paper sometime. last week Rodney King got drunk and crashed his SUV into a house at 100MPH.Luckily no one else was injured That's the type of guy you're championing because those evil LAPD gave him a beating he certainly deserved.
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...that Attack of the Clones is a great movie. I_Snake_Plissken, my interest in SW was increased by TPM, that is, increased interest in knowing whether the series could recover from such a disaster. And you know I dig AOTC and have only minor problems with it. One of those was mentioned by M. F. Luder, who compared the Yoda fight to a pinball game. That is apt. Everything leading up to it is cool, but the saber fight itself is poorly coreographed, and Yoda, who looks amazing in most of his shots in the movie, moves too fast to be realistic, which is a problem with alot of CGI characters. But the deal with the cane, and his immediate reliance on it after the fight and at all other times indicates that he is old and slightly enfeebled but that he is able to call up great reserves of the force at a time of need. Note that he fails to defeat Dooku, and concedes that he has "fought well." He can't just do that all the time. This is also a riff on the classic old kung fu mentor who seems disabled but can secretly kick ass. M. F. Luder's next complaint was about vehicle design. It's been mentioned that at the height of the Republic, in the times of peace, cultures like the Naboo put more design effort into the aesthetics of their spacecraft, whereas the Empire focused more on functionality and mass production, so the spacecraft in the prequels often look more graceful and aerodynamic than the blocky, combat-planned ships from the old trilogy. This is one of those things that is never directly mentioned in the films but is evident in the details. Also, there isn't much kissy-face dialogue in the film. The scene by the fireplace is both well-written and well-acted. Each line builds on the previous one, revealing the intentions and emotions of the characters. Anakin's final attempt to persuade Padme to be with him is to suggest they keep it a secret, and she tells him she couldn't do it, but she then asks him "could you?" Why would she ask that at all if she didn't want him to say yes? He can't bring himself to say it so he responds, with his eyes downcast, that "No, it would destroy us," which he knows is true. But then he looks up, straight into her eyes, with a burning look, as if to say, "I don't care, let's do it anyway." I think that's great melodrama. I know alot of people think it's just cheesy, but emotionally charged dialogue has a way of making people uncomfortable, whether it's good or bad. My opinion is that with the prejudice from TPM against SW at its height, people prepared to hate AOTC turned everything affecting about the performances into a feeling of general loathing. Yeah, like I said, C-3P0 mostly sucks and he nearly ruins the arena battle, but much of AOTC's dialogue and acting is more subtle than you think. Am I getting in over my head here or what? I also want to respond to NotchJohnson's Muppet Babies comparison. That was funny but it doesn't hold. Not everybody meets in the prequels only to remeet later. You have to look at it differently. This is a 6 part story with alot of characters that appear and then sometimes reappear. Someone mentioned earlier that Obi-Wan never really meets R2, he's just some little droid that follows Padme and Anakin around. And likewise Anakin never really meets Boba Fett in AOTC and probably won't in Ep III. Boba Fett has his own character arc in Eps I & II, and then reappears in the old trilogy (properly in ESB, unnecessarily in ANH). I'm sure Chewbacca will be the same way. He'll have his own thing to do in Ep III. He probably won't be introduced to Obi-Wan or Anakin and he may not even share scenes with them. He's just a Star Wars character, and therefore likely to be in any Star Wars movie, see? OK, that's enough. May I not be hated for all time.
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the biggest star wars geek here ( a fact that i am defiantly proud of). And while i liked the originals, I've pretty much thought that Lucas has destroyed their memories with moronic dialogue, piss poor casting and a general lack of attention to anything non-effect related. However, i seem to remember it being implied in episode IV that obi wan had a prior knowledge or may have even known Chewie some time before "a new hope" is set. so it seems to make perfect sense to me. not that it matters, Im sure Lucas will fuck it up anyway. here's hoping Im wrong.
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Lucas's name for chewies dad
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At first I thought California Split was being a joker until he actually responded with his whiny follow-ups to other people's retorts. How do you take seriously a guy using two year-old talking points ("annointed by the Supreme Court") combined with a term "neocon" that he probably does not even know the meaning of and most likely read in some chain e-mail screed that he received? The answer? You don't. I hope Episode III is all about how Chewbacca eats baby arabs to get all gaseous because his burps power the Millenniuum Falcon prototype. And then he detours out of hyperspace to bomb some more Arab babies for the hell of it and to steal all their oil, but not to use it, only to flush it down the ship's unisex toilet out of spite. And then Chewbacca ends it all off with a series of grunts and growls which tranlate to: "California Split, you are an off-topic, pretentious poseur and a fucking retard." But don't feel too bad about that, CS, because at least then you could say you were mentioned in a Star Wars movie. Star Wars Episode III: Blood for Oil.
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I just don't know what to think about Star Wars anymore. The movies were so much apart of my childhood, my first memories of being in theaters were for Star Wars.
And now, years later I view the new films and despite what Lucas thinks the movies are different. They are not just different because I am older, they are different because they don't work on the same level.
My biggest beef with the new trilogy is that it lacks the cynical attitude that really balanced out the first three.
Everything was so serious and apocalyptic in the first three and Han Solo was not buying any of it. I miss that. I don't wan another Han-like character, but I want some character or something to lend that voice that brings the whole Jedi religion into question and doubts it. Those first 3 films worked because there was not just sde kicks, there were funny characters. On top of that really funny chemistry was Han Solo giving the films a human elemnt of disbelief.
Fast forward many years and these new films are serious, serious, serious. They take themselves so seriously and by default become just cottoncandy. For me the most poignant characters of the new film were Watto and Yoda, they had the most depth, the most heart. Yoda's comment "how embarassing" was magic for me, that entire scene in AOTC where Obi-Wan is with Yoda and the Padawans was pure Star Wars magic, what it could be. But alas we were thrown back in with an Anakin who looked pain when he was in love or when he was supposed to be having fun.
I don't buy this new world. I'll admit because I am an adult I will scrutinize what I watch more, analyze it, break it down, etc... As a kid I either liked it or I did not. Because I have these new eyes I know why I liked those movies as a child and why this new trilogy is so devoid of human emotion and character believability. Padme does not come close to the realism of Leia, her smarty remarks and her tangibility as a living breathing character.
What I love about the first films is those characters continue to live and breath in my mind. They are not trapped in some distant childhood memory, they are real, their lives continue. With Anakin and Padme there is no such afterlife.
When I was listening to the commentary on AOTC it started driving me crazy because with so many scenes the filmmakers would explain how such and such a shot was cut here and this added there and this guy's performance added in later. I became so mad in realizing that the film is hollow because all sense of character dynamic and movie magic was lost because of this near machine approach to editing and creation.
Just because they have the ability to do all of this stuff does not mean that they should. The hollowness of these movies is evident and it's not the fans or the critics fault. Money does not lie either, AOTC made a killing, but it's Star Wars and even the most staunchest of critics will come out to see what is next because, well, it;s Star Wars.
With the advent of The Matrix films, and The Lord of the Rings trilogy and so many more films or sequel films I find my interest in Star Wars fading. The story just is not interesting to me. Sure I'll see Episode 3 a couple of times but out of pure curiosity and not because I know I'm going to see a film with any life outside of itself. It's sad really, this new trilogy could have been so great, so much wonder and magic, instead the only magic is the wonder in how many objects and characters they can make digital, and how real they seem.
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I don't believe that Chewbacca will only have a cameo in Episode III. Any (freakishly tall)shlub or computer graphic could play him for a cameo. Peter Mayhew was signed, so I think we can expect a role at least the size of, say, C-3PO (in AOTC), perhaps larger.
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Apr 25, 2003 5:37:56 PM CDT
THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE ARE GEEKS. AND A SPECIAL MESSAGE TO CALIFOR
by mr. tourette's
Spike's Brain, Silvio Dante, One-Fett-To-Rule (all of them), Lobanhaki, Aud, Greedo_Is_Gay, and The Hillbrothers. And Filmflipper20, you kick yourself in the balls? And yeah. I'm sure you have a girlfriend to eat out...many chicks love mindless devotion to some half-ass sci-fi prequels..........And one last thing. CaliforniaSplit, I'd like to address you personally to try to settle this. You obviously don't know shit from shit in fucking politics, you Fett-wannabe motherfuck! I see you talk about baby Arab oil, and I laugh. If it was only about oil, we'd do what the French and Russians do: buy it from him. But no, it may shock you to know we have MANY other sources of oil. This also may shock you: Iraq is not our major source of oil. Just because a country that we attack HAPPENS to have oil in it doesn't mean we're attacking for that reason. Bill Clinton didn't bomb Serbia because of natural resources, okay you cock ass bitch? I HATE these fucking retards who think that they can talk politics because they heard a biased left-wing propaganda hound bleed out of his asshole onto television for a while. Do some research, take a class on government or politics, read from some good historians on this topic, not some fucking political pundits who either are all the way left or all the way right. I'm a liberal who doesn't support the war in Iraq, and I'm still having to write this shit! I don't support it because I have friends in the fucking reserves that I don't want to see die. At least I UNDERSTAND why the FUCK someone does something. Yes, "Shrubya" (which is a really clever name...you stupid assfuck) would attack a country that is one of our minimal suppliers of oil and risk lives even though we still have plenty of oil to get from several other countries. It's not like the man committed mass genocide or anything. This may surprise you: a history lesson for all of you. Harry Truman was not an intelligent sounding speaker, and people made fun of him because of the state he was from. Sound familiar? It gets better. He attacked Stalin for being evil before he had done shit to us, and a great deal of "pundits" told him not to, because he hadn't bothered us. Still familiar? Stalin committed mass genocide in his country. Still recognize it? Stalin was shutting down his enemies and began taking over as many countries as he could within his reach to make himself even more powerful, as he locked up or killed innocents he felt were in his way. Could that have been next for us today? Who knows? But we saw what happened then, and history is meant to learn from. I have no true opinion as to if this is a wise move or not, but you've GOT to pull your head out of your fucking colon and realize what the fuck is going on around you. Read this, California Split, and if you can come up with any type of intelligent remark in response, I encourage you to please post it back. If you're a different intelligent bleeding-heart liberal who would wish to discuss it with me, feel free to email me at youlikecrappymovies@hotmail.com. But leave this California Split motherfucker on his own. He talks too much shit, and it's time to see what the fuck he really knows, or if he's a wimpy motherfuck nerd who has nothing better to do than complain about things he doesn't know shit about. He already showed his ignorance on the Rodney King issue. Let's see if he can escape from his Magic Fucking Stereotype Land and give me some intelligent factual response. Damn.
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OK, it's the only topic in the nation right now...so we're gonna devote each and every Talk Back on the site to the FUCKING WAR. Obviously that sunnbitch doesn't have a TV set. Why are we talking about Star Wars instead? Because maybe we don't want to sit in the company of that fat ass Natalie Dickie Dicks bitch and expect an ass whoopin from every red-bandana Texan in the unemployment line. War speak is tired. USA will do what it has to. As for George Lucas, thank you for mucking up my childhood endeavors with this new piece of shit Trilogy. I was your biggest fan with my SW fires now quelled by the brilliance of LOTR and Marvel films; by turning your ridiculously proud head away from Hollywood your precious mythos has suffered a hack job from that isolation. Your a technical pioneer; not a lyrical or literary one. Should've gotten help from a different source, you didn't change with the times. Congratulations, Mr. Lucas, you've ended up with empty cash cows.
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Though I haven't read all the TBs on this, I can already tell by some of the headers, some of you are bitching. Lucas is ready to say good bye to us (and for some of you this can't come quick enough) and if he finds a way to fit Chewie into the mix, I'm cool with it. Bring Boba Fett into the mix, have him hunt Chewie's family and mesh that into a battle of what ROTJ *should* have been, namely wookies beating ass. Of course, all of this should not overshadow the real reason I'm paying for a ticket, the first revealing of Darth Vader (and subsequent asskicking of) the Jedi Council.
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And I propose that the Falcon had only one toilet, but it was a self-cleaning model like the one on LEXX, with a tongue and dingleberry dissolving enzyme action. Review the tapes again, and try to see if Chewie has a wet ass.
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...Which made it all the more sad when I finally met the man inside the suit. He chose not to talk to me except to tell me that for him to sign my wookie it would cost me $20. This is spite of the fact that in that location there was a written rule that autographs would be free.
He could have smiled at least instead of letting his contempt for me, a fan, be so obvious.
Still, his character is and always will be my favorite part of the Star Wars universe. Sadly, we never got to visit his planet in any great detail and instead went to that stinkhold Endor with funny teddy bears. Damn bastard pigmies!
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Racisum is cool again!
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I've always heard this question: "How come when Boba Fett tries to shoot Chewie in TESB does Darth Vader stop him?" Well mayber perhaps it's because Anakin was friends with Chewie in Episode 3, and though he's for the most part evil he doesn't want Chewie dead. Just a thought.
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Apr 25, 2003 7:16:32 PM CDT
Fett, real_Custer here but with a changed user name (same email)
by dr_zoidberg
I like that breakdown of The Matrix, or was it Star Wars? Personally I think it's funny that Chewbacca is going to be in Episode 3, although I doubt it will be much more than a passing cameo. Still, it could add weight to the Saga if he DID know Obi Wan, and thus why the Cantine scene would be so much more rich.
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Remember folks? The title of my post is a quotation from Episode 4. This is how Obi-Wan introduces Luke to Chewbacca in Episode 4. The implication was clearly that they knew each other, so Chewbacca's role will probably be as a sidekick to Obi Wan in the new movie. It's funny how all these people start bitching but they haven't even checked the facts. The ignorance inherent in many of the posts on this particular thread is both amusing and sad. The scene in 'Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back' where they bash all the internet shit talkers was clearly written for threads like these. Yeah, I don't like you either so feel free to e-mail with hate letters you moronic talk-backers. I know you love to waste your time on things that aren't really important. The amount of thought put into your posts make a clear representation of that particular fact. When was the last time any of you people got laid?
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Remember folks? The title of my post is a quotation from Episode 4. This is how Obi-Wan introduces Luke to Chewbacca in Episode 4. The implication was clearly that they knew each other, so Chewbacca's role will probably be as a sidekick to Obi Wan in the new movie. It's funny how all these people start bitching but they haven't even checked the facts. The ignorance inherent in many of the posts on this particular thread is both amusing and sad. The scene in 'Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back' where they bash all the internet shit talkers was clearly written for threads like these. Yeah, I don't like you either so feel free to e-mail with hate letters you moronic talk-backers. I know you love to waste your time on things that aren't really important. The amount of thought put into your posts make a clear representation of that particular fact. When was the last time any of you people got laid?
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Apr 25, 2003 7:23:28 PM CDT
I think they should make "Star Wars: The Point Of No Return" wit
by mbaker
"I always shoot first, brother!"
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..."You guys are dicks!"
This is the best Star Wars news I've heard!!!
Fuck the Matrix, X2, The Hulk and any other shit that's getting released ever.
Chewbacca returning is the best gift Lucas could give any of us.
Star Wars rules...yes even Jar Jar.
Fucking cock smokers.
I hate you all!!! Fucking dickheads.
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It's widely acknowledged that The Matrix "borrows" most heavily from Grant Morrisson's comic book series, The Invisibles. Sorry to ground your landspeeder, but a quick google search of the two names should net you a ton of info on the thematic and narrative similarities shared by the two works.
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That's all, really, I just wanted to use the term "tadpole beanbag". Did anyone thinnk of that one before me? Oh well. Oh yeah, marvel's star wars rocked. so there. later.
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Go back through the posts. I told you that before he died, Sir Alec Guinness had signed on for Episode III, before episode one was made. Mark Hamill signed on for Episode III at the time Episode I was being made, as did James Earl Jones. Carrie Fisher hinted at it and Harrison Ford threw a hissy fit until Lucas agreed on making INDY IV with Speilsberg.
What's this mean? It means what I've been saying for years.
Episode III ends on Endor, in the Ewok village with Luke, Leia, Han, Chewy etc... (all the old gang)being told the story of what happened to Luke and Leia's father and mother by either C3PO or the ghost of Anakin, Ben and Yoda.
This leaves room for George to do the sequels if he feels like it, which again he said he would not do and then flip-flopped back and forth a dozen times.
Remember how much you hate Jar-Jar?
Also remember he was just an experiment for Lucas to see if he could CGI ALL OF THE CHARACTERS for episodes VII-IX!!! That is why Ford went ape-shit. He didn't want his image used without his consent (or being paid for it.) He and George had a big blow up because George said that he owned the rights to Han Solo and Ford sold his image as Solo to George and George could do as he pleased with it (book covers, action figures ec....) get it? This means he can't use Harrison's image as his character from Blade Runner or from the Clancy novels, because he doesn't own the rights to those.
On the last flip-flop George said it wouldn't happen because the CGI costs WAY too much. He said that the cost would have to decrease dramatically or else he would lose a ton of money on the project. Then he just starting saying that he didn't write or plan on a part 7-9.
I love George's work, but....
George is a notorious liar and will only let snippets of the truth out by accident and then try to retract them and cover them up.
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Obi Wan met R2 when him, anakin, padme, and her guard went to the transport ship heading to Naboo. R2 was with them. Remember: "I hope he dosen't do anything"(or something like that) "I'd be more worried about her doing something".
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Go blow your dog or whatever it is that you Matrix fags do when not drooling over Keanu...OOOOOOOOOH excuse me, Neo
Out!
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Apr 25, 2003 8:35:54 PM CDT
And here's to (raising my glass) ... how much they spend on maki
by imageburn13
ahh yes, how the times they have changed, soon we'll see chewbacca in GLORIOUS COMPUTER GRAPHICS! Peter Meyhew will PHONE IN HIS ROLE! A FIRST FOR THE INDUSTRY! Cheers!
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It's not that you forgot it's just that, like a lot of us, you just don't care about anything SW related anymore. Tell the truth!
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Id what I read true? Rodney King is going to be in Episode III? He will be shown getting his ass stomped by stormtroopers? Sweet!!!!!
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I mean, what difference does it make? There are billions and billions of lifeforms in the Star Wars universe, you'd think we could possible run into a Wookie besides Chewie.
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Letting him know that these are simple archetypes from many, many years of literature would simply crush his StarWars-centric world. Oh, and just in case you trot out the whole Joseph Campbell pap, please, he copped the entire notion from other scholars as well. He just packaged it for the masses, instead of the academics, who had been working out the argument for quite a good long time before Campbell ever got around to it. Does it mean it is not a good story? Certainly not, it is a great yarn. But, it is not an orginal story, and finding similarities between Star Wars and the Matrix is hardly something to tax the imagination. Look at every fantasy/sci-fi story that involves some kind of quest and you will see similarities piled high on one another.
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Apr 25, 2003 11:16:49 PM CDT
The cure for bitch tits is to cut under the pectorals and drain
by rupert cornelius
From "Fight Club" (the book, not the movie). And hey, is anyone else starting to think Rodney King should be in Episode III?
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Apr 25, 2003 11:40:24 PM CDT
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!
by 007-11
that is all
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...are acting like electrified retards on a hot plate.
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Apr 26, 2003 1:03:47 AM CDT
Do you think Chewy flings his poop like the gorillas at the zoo?
by lezbo milk
I get such a kick out of this forum. There are some real characters that write in the talk back. It never fails to entertain me.
So, now my two cents on Chewy being in EP3. I guess I don't have a problem with it as long as it doesn't get too unbelievable. I hope to god that Anakin doesn't end up knowing Chewy and I really hope he doesn't have a thing to do with the Millenium Falcon. That would suck.
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Apr 26, 2003 1:15:16 AM CDT
"Rob Schneider was an animal...then he was a woman...and now...h
by jules windex
"And he's gonna find out that being a Wookie is pretty damn cool." AOTC ruled btw, and Matrix 2 and 3 won't even come close to it.
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is the one I hope breaks jar-jar's neck.
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If any of you payed attention to the theforce.net you would have known this days ago... good going harry, your losing your edge...
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...while I was stopping for a tankful of baby arab blood, and I'm certain now that the ships in Star Wars ran on methane distilled from wookie shit. This answers the whole question of why slavery would exist in a galaxy that has droids. Did the Empire need wookiees to row the goddamn star destroyers? No, the Empire needed methane. Methane cometh from wookie shit. One imagines a lower deck in the bowels of the star destoyer, done up from wall to wall like a huge Giger biomechanical cityscape, only it's wookiees fastened to crappers as far as the eye can see.
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if they both show up in EP3! that would be the most satisfying scene in the whole triology.
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Apr 26, 2003 4:19:17 AM CDT
Costner here. I'd like to give Georgie some expert directorial
by kevin costner
Chewie should be totally CG. Mayhew really doesn't need the work that badly. He's got conventions to go to, autographs to sign. Chewie should, nay MUST be CG. And he should talk finally. I mean really, why not? Go for it!! 3 for 3!!!
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Apr 26, 2003 5:13:48 AM CDT
Anakin- "She programmed R2 to warn us if there was an intruder."
by spudabc
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Apr 26, 2003 5:37:54 AM CDT
The Star Wars movies are not event movies anymore. They're just
by spacesheik
TPM was an atrocious film. AOTC was better, the way NEMESIS was better than INSURRECTION - but it was no EMPIRE. The third film will come along and no matter how good it is, the excitement is gone. The magic is gone. The excitement that was prevalent when TPM trailer debuted. Chewbacca is back? Ok...thats nice. What else am I suppoaed to say after the forgetteable performances of the last 2 films. Is Episode III gonna be so magnificent that it will erase memories of its recent predecessors? Too little too late unfort, and this is coming from a major Star Wars fan. There is so much stuff I dislike about TMP and AOTC - the whole Naboo stuff, the Annakin performances, the Gladiator style finale, the Mario Bros video game action sequence, jar jar, the dumbing down of Annakin's gradual move to the dark side etc.
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Also, forgive me if I'm repeating someone else's post, but what are the odds that Vader is actually a CLONE of Anakin? Or at least the Luke and Leia's dad is a clone of Anakin? There's planty of room for mind-fucks in EPIII- don't give up on Lucas just yet.
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... we've managed to get a complex debate on the ethics of the current Presidency, some racism, whether war is ever the answer and some mention of killing Iraqi babies for oil all from a talkback about a hairy dude being in the new Star Wars film. That's why I love this site, the sheer amount of off-topic crap that people post. On a serious note I have no problem with certain characters from the original trilogy showing up in the new one but for the love of God please don't put in a young Han or Lando. Not that it really matters anymore as as far as the current generation of movie viewers are concerned the LOTR and Matrix trilogies are far more important nowadays and SW is irrelevant (although what are the odds that in a decade or two someone will make the same comment about those two triolgies being irrelevant when compared to the trilogies of that time?)
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... we've managed to get a complex debate on the ethics of the current Presidency, some racism, whether war is ever the answer and some mention of killing Iraqi babies for oil all from a talkback about a hairy dude being in the new Star Wars film. That's why I love this site, the sheer amount of off-topic crap that people post. On a serious note I have no problem with certain characters from the original trilogy showing up in the new one but for the love of God please don't put in a young Han or Lando. Not that it really matters anymore as as far as the current generation of movie goers are concerned the LOTR and Matrix trilogies are far more important nowadays and SW is irrelevant (although what are the odds that in a decade or two someone will make the same comment about those two triolgies being irrelevant when compared to the trilogies of that time?)
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Give it up... the last two movies sucked shit.
I've never seen such lifeless performances in all my life.
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Apr 26, 2003 11:43:51 AM CDT
ALL RIGHT YOU FUCKERS, GATHER ROUND. YOU'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A CHAN
by theginger twit
George Lucas wrote a mythology. A story that was so large it was deemed impossible to tell in one film, but had to be spaced out over 9 films. A TRILOGY of TRILOGIES! The man didn't want to make 9 films. It was just not feasible. He took his notes and decided to make the middle lot of films - His pride and amazing skills as a story teller lead to him called the first star wars film by it's proper name - episode 4. Who'd know that it would be the biggest money maker of all time. Lucas was able to make the following 2 films. But then you fuckers wanted more. 20 years of your bitching and begging and the man returned to his notes. What to do? follow with 7,8,9... or go back to the beginning. The beginning would surely be more fun. You could have EVERYONE back! who'd have thought that by the time the third film was in the works (you dipshits should be praising the soil this man treads for what he's done for us!) I for one CAN'T FUCKING WAITE FOR EPISODE 3. SHUT UP. JUST SHUT UP!!!!
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Umm...someone needs to get a wee bit of a grip on reality. Not only did Lucas not really make up the story (a good job putting it into a sci-fi picture, but it is not an original work), he has bungled the prequels. These do not hold a candle to the original, and no one can convince many of us otherwise. George Lucas should have left well enough alone. OR, he should have realized (although a large ego may have made this more than difficult) that he needed a director other than himself to make it work properly. The reason everyone loves Empire is the story and the fact that it does not feel as wooden in the acting due to a quality director. Lucas may have the vision, but he desperately needs someone else to translate that vision to film.
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Any crap towards my grammer and spelling is because of my current state of tiredness. But I stand by what I say. Lucas will never make 7,8,9 because you fuckers have destroyed the mans drive. Attack of the clones was Great. TPM was badly made, but the story was perfectly fine. But for all you whinging bitches that complain about the way the films look, Well... hears a smack in the head for you. These films are crusial for the industry. They are the so needed push for technological advancement. When Lucas mad episode 4, NO ONE BELIEVED IT COULD BE MADE. But Lucas had a vision, and he redefined how EVERY film was made. Then came 5 & 6. Pushing the nvelope that much further. Then came the special editions. The company lucas had started for special effects had grown so far that Lucas used his films as a template to both finish thing she couldn't 20 years earlier, and build a crew needed for his planned follow up films. Now star wars follows the exact same tradition it always has. Episode 1 did exactly what the first made star wars film did... it pushed the envelope of special effects technology. Episode 2 went so far with it's technological advancement that it was shot of DIGITAL VIDEO for christ sake. I come her time after time and get absolutely fed up with how much you wankers cry and moan 'lucas raped my childhood' Lucas has destroyed star wars forever.' Fuck that. When did the stop point come that you could decide when star wars was you're and should not be touched again. Lucas will keep going. He'll re-release the original trilogy with even better special effects and new scenes that tie it to 1,2 & 3. Star Wars as we know it now is in a construction stage. You guys with no imagination keep looking at all the plans, can't see the forest for the trees and weep that your so stupid. The films will be strong 6 stories that fit together so well that LOTR and Matrix will be living in a shadow of it's accomplishment. (as a side note...) No one has seen matrix 2 or 3 yet. They could be shit! You people have all the foresite in the world, but absoluetly no wisdom!
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You know what's cool about Star Wars? It's not as complicated any more. I was confused by the complex plotlines of the original series. Now it's like I'm playing Playstation, and I can understand it all.
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This site is full of broken links. If I have to see Harry's boobies, I should get links that work.
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These movies are all filler. Maybe the books are better but the movies have a paper thin plot that could have been fished in 2 hours. The PT has more plot development than LOTR or the OT. You pretentious LOTR fucks can deny it but it's true.
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Again Fett, go and type "Matrix" and "Invisibles" into Google. You'll learn a great deal about the true "inspiration" for the Matrix -- and perhaps you'll see that -- aside from hilariously bad holiday specials -- Star Wars doesn't corner the market in all aspects of sci-fi pop culture. Also, my cell phone seems to go out of date every six months. Wouldn't they have improved droid technology enough over twenty-fucking-five years that C3PO and R2D2 would have been junked for scrap around the same time Ewan cut off his pony tail? Oh well, I guess that in the absence of talent, coincidence can drive a story.
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christ, george lucas made the two most disappointing movies af all time... and it's about to make the third one... i'm already ashamed that Darth Vader will appear in a silly movie, now i have to worry about chewbacca... that's really sad...
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Why is this such an illogical "universe too small" deal to everyone? Kenobi knows Chewbacca in the original Star Wars - it may not jive with the books or EU or whatever, but Kenobi introduces Luke to Chewbacca, and it's a certain possibility they've met before...
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He wrote episodes 1 2 3 whilst on a 2 week vacation and gave them to his kids for checking and updating. What a let down. Move on weeners.
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I never thought I'd say this about Star Wars but...I don't give a Toss.
I saw Return of the Jedi in the cinema when I was about 7 years old, I've seen the original so many times its just silly. I've owned a vinyl copy of the "Empire" soundtrack for longer than I can remember and I spent about 14 years wishing for Lucas to make more Star Wars films.... Then he did.
Episode 1 was a dull film saved from total extinction by the SFX and Darth Maul. Episode 2 was better but still relied on the battles at the end to keep us interested. I really wish that Lucas remembers that action film making is about story-telling, emotion (not schmaltzy) and andrenaline.
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I'm gonna give my unwanted opinion that while TPM was a gold-plated turd, AOTC was OK. Jango Fett was hot, the cloner aliens were neat, and I have a soft spot for Christopher Lee. The key to watching AOTC is having your brain turn off during the apallingly stupid love scenes. Anyway I'm not going to rent or buy AOTC, but when it turns up on FOX in a few years I might actually watch half of it.
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Wow bringing in Chewbacca shows how fucken DESPERATE this man is. what a joke...
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When will George realize that modern-CGI effects just aren't convincing? It wouldn't be so bad if he only used them for shots that would be impossible to do on film. But Lucas apparently thinks, "Why have Anakin throw a real can during his fit in front of Amidala, when he can throw a CGI can?" For those of you who don't know, that can, or whatever it is that he whips across the room, was done with a computer. That's just pathetic. The OT Jabba may have been unable to move due to the size of the prop, but at least it was REAL. In the special edition and TPM, Jabba screamed CGI. And what the hell is up with that diner-owner Dex? A guy in a suit would have been ten times better than that crazy computer monster. The climax in TPM looked and felt like a cartoon...oh wait that's right, it was. The whole thing was created on a computer. Same with the end of AOTC. Then you've got real actors running around in CG environments. That doesn't look real, it looks like fcking Who Framed Roger Rabbit. I about wanted to vomit during Anakin, Padme, R2, and 3PO's crazy adventure in the droid-manufacturing plant. Lucas, you stupid moron, do you actually think that anyone thought any of that was real? CGI is ruining the soul of filmmaking, directors are relying too much on it, and in the end it just doesn't look real. The dinosaurs from the original Jurassic Park (a film released ten years ago, mind you) look more realistic than those CGI dinosaurs in that third piece of shit. If Lucas could create an emotional, character-driven story for Episode 3 with good action, good dialogue, and no ignorant plot holes, then cool space battles won't mean shit.
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how FUCKEN hard is it to make a good movie? just listen to your fans!!! but nooooo , you totally FUCK up a good trilogy. I didnt even like Yoda's fight scene in ATOC. What the fuck didnt hey talk about how to use your mind and what not. He should have just been sitting down and having that sword fight for him..but nooooo lucas instead makes a little dwarf act like hes injected with 3 hits on angel dust and pcp.
with the movies coming out this summer nobody is going to give a flying fuck of episode 3. they said episode 2 was supposed to be darker and more like empire strikes back??? gimme a fucken break it was nothing like it, and the only reason it was a little more serious was because fucken JAR JAR wasnt around as much., you coulda saved the first movie without him you fucken stupid director.!! -
George lucas took a perfect idea for a movie and fuken RUINED it. a movie that woulda made more sense woulda been a sequel to return of the jedi with all the old actors.
at least they know how to act. even mark hamill is still the man
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Apr 27, 2003 12:28:02 PM CDT
Episode 3 will suck just like episode 2, 1, the special editions
by tarl_cabot
George hasn't done anything decent and original since ROTJ-"Jedi" could have been a masterpiece like the first 2 except for those cuddley little Ewoks...George has ruined Indy already but still not satisfied, Indy 4 will be made soon with 63 year old "finger of doom" Ford. Star Wars is a joke now.A bad joke.after 2005 he can retire again for good. I blame him for the current state of lazy cinema and over reliance on that masterburtory CGI. I think of Die Another Day's wind surfing sequence and how awful it was, killing any credibility the 007 series used to have...I blame George Lucas for that. Fuck!
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Apr 27, 2003 12:31:54 PM CDT
Funny, I hate it when morons like Filmflipper post the same mess
by minderbinder
And just for the record, this sounds incredibly cheesy...doesn't surprise me one bit.
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Someone up there said nothing gets talkbackers fired up like SW news. I actually reckon the Superman talkbacks get just as heated, maybe even more so, but it's a close-run thing. Back to Star Wars...fans of the OT who hate the new ones should take heart in the end of AOTC. Come on, be honest, who wasn't thrilled to see the Stormtrooper outfits and Star Destroyers we know from the originals up there on the big screen again, courtesy of the best visual effects money can buy? The new film will have more of the same, as it's even closer in the timeline to Episode 4. And like I said yesterday, even the OT were popcorn movies not high art. That doesn't justify the flaws of the prequels, it just means the originals maybe shouldn't be placed on quite as high a pedestal as they usually are. Oh yeah, The Matrix, X Men and LOTR films (so far) are fantastic too.
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O.K.- Now what you guys screaming about this need to remember is that droids are not "life forms"- They are property. They are equipment. They are mass-produced. Anakin built C-3PO out of protocol droid parts, but he was still the same as every other "PO" droid out there. R2-D2 is the same as every other R2 unit out there... The thing that makes them special is that Luke doesn't believe in wiping their memories, but MOST DROIDS get memory wipes every year or so. That way they don't develop personalities and "malfunction" because they have an opinion. So sure Obi-Wan met R2-D2 and C-3PO. He's probably met THOUSANDS or R2 units and PrOtocol droids, and why would he identify one amongst them all? I mean, would you be able to pick a SPECIFIC Sony PlayStation 2 out of ALL the PS2s on the market? If you see a PlayStation thirty years from now, will you be able to identify it as the EXACT SAME PlayStation that your friend had way back in the 1990's? THEY ARE MASS-PRODUCED EQUIPMENT! One more thing- The jets on Artoo in Ep2 seem to piss people off. If you ever read the novels (not the EU, just the main canon stuff) you'll understand that the jets are one of many accessories that can be popped into the droid. Remember that R2 units are supposed to be the swiss army knives of the droid world. They hold whatever you connect to them. So while it's serving on Padme's ship, R2 has jets for small jaunts in space while repairing a large starship. By the time he's owned by Luke, that particular add-on is gone, because he's not doing that kind of work. Do you put phillips head on your electric screwdriver if you know you'll be working on flathead screws? ONCE AGAIN: Droids are mass-produced equipment, and not unique individuals.
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Droids are just pieces of equeipment? Then why not have TWO DIFFERENT FUCKING DROIDS IN THE PREQUELS?!!!! (the overpunctuation is an homage to Harry) Why bother straining the limits of suspension of disbelief with ridiculous and unnenecessary coincidences? Oh wait, you sell more toys that way! And why do they have the SAME personalities thirty years later -- AFTER HAVING THEIR MEMORIES WIPED? These are two of the only droids in the entire galaxy to be allowed personalities -- and it happens TWICE? And in thirty years I WON'T SEE a Playstation 2 -- except at a museum or garage sale -- because they will be LONG-OUTDATED TECHNOLOGY. But apparently, in Mr. Lucas' world of advanced technological wonder, the all-powerful interstellar military dictatorship uses the same worn out equipment for three decades -- just so George L. Flannel can wink wink nudge nudge the audience and stick a familiar chunk of plastic into your Happy Meal. Silly. Just silly.
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Referring to earlier posts, who is to say that the stormtroopers of eps 4,5 & 6 are the clone troopers? I seem to remember some alternate storyline where a young Han Solo is forced to go into the imperial stormtrooper academy, and he escapes. Could be those Jango clones just don't work out, and they decide to return to naturally bred humans. Maybe that's why we don't see "Kamino-ans" in the OT...the return policy on Jango clones did 'em in!
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Apr 27, 2003 8:37:00 PM CDT
This Will Help Explain To The TRL Crowd The Wookie Hair Joke Fro
by jollydwarf
It's been that long! I was thinking, "What letter does it start with?" And then my fingers sort of led my brain, instantaneously typing--ha!! Like I'd divulge that. Anyway, I'm neither SHOCKED nor DISTRAUGHT by this "news". Lucas has painted the prequels into a corner, and the only way to make the score look respectable is to cram "III" with tons of OT ships and locales. Still, if you had to pick ONE character for a cameo, Tarkin would've been MUCH better. I mean, this is Anakin/Vader's story, and he's CLEARLY Cushing's character's bitch in "A New Hope." How? Why? When? Admiral Ackbar and/or other Mon Calamari should at least make an appearance at the end of the film, but that's an OLD non-Wookie species, so they'll be sacrificed for some other CGI Hanna-Barbara bullshit. Sorry if I misspelled "Barbara". I'm all for a logical inclusion of Chewie into this film, but it'd better actually HAVE A POINT. I mean, we still don't know how Anakin and Boba know each other or how Boba gets his distinctive Mandalorian armor. And I REALLY pray that this movie doesn't waste more than a scene with an awkward, adolescent Daniel Logan trading parent death stories with a shaved-head, jigsaw-makeup wearing Hayden Christensen. It's just a really unfortunate situtation. So many things that SHOULD'VE been resolved will have to wait for poorly-written Expanded Universe novels or only marginally worse fan fiction. I just want this movie to get here NOW, because I just want to get it over with, say that I didn't ironically die just before my circle of fandom was complete, and then George can release the DVDs. Of course I'm delusional enough to think that logic and petitions will combine forces to coerce G-Lu to include the Original Original Trilogy in at least SOME packaging. Still, on the subject of the Good Side of Star Wars, did you see the latest EGM and the screenshots for "Rogue Leader III: Rebel Strike"? Truly, videogames and movies are starting to reverse roles on the respectability continuum! Sorry about the long post, too. It's been awhile and I was, you know, backed up...blech.
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Apr 27, 2003 8:52:57 PM CDT
You Can't Post Just One! OR... Hey I Called The Horatio Sanz As
by jollydwarf
It's in the Christopher Walken/Foo Fighters SNL TB. Anyway, I was skimming SOME of the posts, and someone mentioned Jay and Silent Bob. Because Kevy's been jocking the prequels so hard for the last four years (he did the toy commercials for Episode II, didn't he?), would it be at all surprising if he and Jason Mewes were given a quick "in costume" cameo, leaning up against a Toydarian convenience store wall? Smoking deathsticks? Lucass (no typo) thought that it was "cool" and "chucklacious" to put Anthony Daniels and Ahmed Best in the Sports Bar scene sans costumes (make sure to linger on the close ups!) AND his daughter in Twil'lek gear (a blasphemy to the notion that the females are all honeys). Plus the Rick McCallum and Ben Burtt (?) in Three Musketeers reject costumes Episode I cameo. And I won't even bring up Joi Fa Tone or whatever the fuck the N'Sync boys were going to do for their .6 seconds of fanboy notoriety. It just seems that if anyone is going to get a nonsensical cameo, it'll be Kevin Smith. Hell, he's done segments for Jay Leno and a movie with J-Lo. Things come in threes, right?
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jeez, EP3 will be like the Goldmember of Star Wars: Can't find crap for a story? just fill in with celebrity cameos, ho ho ho! Pretty pathetic, George!
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The MATRIX told a good STORY. lord of the rings told a good STORY.
Star wars WAS a good story, but episode 1 was not told well. neither was episode 2 and that stupid love story. episode 3 will be more of the same with more focus on the effects than the actual story telling.
in the movies I mentioned above the visual effects only brought out the awesome story. its exactly the opposite with Star wars, where they move the story so they can show the next CGI scene.
and on a final note. Morietys Floppy titties distract me every time I write on here...stop that animation!!!
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The CGI in these new star wars films are fake. ALL CGI is fake to me. And whats with the english accents? The original STar Wars films had modern humor and lingo. The humor in these new films just completely suck. Now chewy is gonna be full-grown?? How are they gonna explain that?? OHHHH, wookies must live to be 1000 years old...lame.
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"I didnt even like Yoda's fight scene in ATOC. What the fuck didnt hey talk about how to use your mind and what not. He should have just been sitting down and having that sword fight for him..but nooooo lucas instead makes a little dwarf act like hes injected with 3 hits on angel dust and pcp."
HAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAA -
i just want to see chewie sniff someone's crotch, preferably christopher lee's......is that so wrong?
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Lets just be thankful that GL didn't decide to have a young-chewie in ep III. I can just picture the cute ewok-dwarf cross hybrid that he would have created in order to appeal to all sub five year olds that he now seems to be aiming these movies at..... Maybe I should just shut up - don't want to give him any ideas!!
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Apr 28, 2003 12:26:37 PM CDT
AICN talkbackers are the worst people on the planet.
by aicn fanboy dork
Especially the genre talkbackers. Doesn't anyone here have a shred of decency in them?
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That would be awesome!!!
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POINT:You are an idiot
COUNTERPOINT:Nobody cares what the fuck you say anyway.
-Jim Rome -OUT! -
What, that's the best you can do? Lemme, get this straight. You're best crackback is to diss my favorite football team??? You're slipping dawg. Then, you make fun of the handicapped? You are indeed a sad...sad...little man, assuming that you are a man after all. Oh, and one last thing... At least Ginger has an opinion, all you do is spew crap.
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And I love Star Wars, but can anyone truly say that Episodes One or Two hold a torch to the originals? No. I think not. And Lewis, I love ya buddy, kick that little bitch in the face. What is your point Scificomicguy? The browns suck, Pete Mayhew deserves more work, and why are we on this old ass talkback? Nathaniel Merriweather in the house.
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The part out being a good laugh was correct because it's funny how Lewis can go on a huge diatribe trying to smash another person's opinion and make no sense what-so-ever and then when he's blaster for being such a fruit cake he goes off on another tangent that makes no sense. Now, that my friends is comedy. Also, if you look about any crap spewing or defamation that I do, it's only toward LEWISBLACK!!! I usually point out that person x is right and has a great idea...see the comment about somebody suggesting Matt Damon as Spidey for example, I thought it was a great idea and said so.
That is the reason that from this point forward, I shall not longer even reply to the bumbling rambling POINT/COUTERPOINT garbage that spews from the keyboard of one LewisBlack.
BTW....Wasn't this post supposed to be about Chewy????
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